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Speaker 1: The corporate media obsess over the minutia of Trump's health

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after propping up human corpse Joe Biden for years, Plus

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how many ways is hormonal birth control screwing up your

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body and our marriage and motherhood really a drag? All

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that and more on the Kylie Cast. Hi everybody, and

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welcome to the Kylie Cast. I am Kylie Griswold, Managing

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editor at The Federalist. Please like and subscribe wherever you

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Federalist dot com. We always love to hear from you.

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So it turns out Donald Trump is not dead, no

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matter how much Rabbit Anti Trump and Tim Walls wish

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he were.

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Speaker 2: You get up in the morning and you doom scroll

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through things. And although I will say this, the last

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few days you woke up thinking there might be news,

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just saying, just saying there will be news sometimes just

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so you know there will be news.

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Speaker 1: The New York Times is out with a piece this

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week from Katie Rogers, heralding this news that should be obvious,

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Trump is alive, but she does more than that. She

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takes a deep dive into the minutia of Trump's bill

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of health, including his high cholesterol, a bruise he has,

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and the fact that he takes aspirin and sometimes asks

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reporters to repeat themselves if he's in a large room

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with lots of background noise and doesn't hear them the

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first time. Really hard hitting journalism here, But if you

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look super closely, you might just catch a slight difference

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in the way the media are covering Trump's health versus

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how they covered Biden's health just a few years ago.

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Rogers writes, quote, For years, justifiable concerns and questions about

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mister Trump's health have often been met with obfuscation or

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minimal explanation from the people around him. Mister Trump's physicians

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have not taken questions from reporters in years, and there

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were no medical briefings held after an assassination attempt against

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him in Butler, Pennsylvania, last summer end. Quote not to mention,

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sometimes Trump covers up a bruise on his hand, and

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you can tell because he uses slightly the wrong shade

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of Mabe Lee New York. It's all part of a

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cover up, you see. This is some really good investigative

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work there. Meanwhile, when Joe Biden was nine months older

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than Trump is now, the New York Times went with

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this framing for the former president quote President Biden is

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turning eighty. Experts say age is more than a number.

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End quote. Seriously, get a load of this quote. But

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when the risk of life threatening diseases, dementia and death

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rises faster with each passing decade of a person's life,

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experts and geriatrics say that peace people in their eighties

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who are active, engaged, and have a sense of purpose

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can remain productive and healthy, and that wisdom and experience

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are important factors to consider. The New York Times spoke

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to ten experts in aging to paint a picture of

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what the next six years might look like for a

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person of the president's age, speaking of Joe Biden. Of course,

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these experts have not examined or traded mister Biden, though

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they have looked at publicly available information, including a medical

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report issued by the White House last year a day

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before his seventy ninth birthday, mister Biden, these experts agreed,

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has a lot going in his favor. He is highly educated,

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has plenty of social interaction, a stimulating job that requires

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a lot of thinking, is married, and has a strong

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family network, all factors that study show are protective against

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dementia and conducive to healthy aging. He does not smoke

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or drink alcohol, and according to the White House, he

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exercises five times a week. He also has top notch

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medical care. End quote. Oh well, if the experts say so,

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The Times continued. Quote. Scientists who study aging stress that

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chronological age is not the same as biological age in

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people who are active. Experts say, there are the experts again.

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The brain continues to evolve, and some brain functions can

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even improve. End quote. Here's another from the New York

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Times in February of twenty twenty three, with the headline quote,

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Biden's doctor says he is healthy and vigorous. Here it

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goes quote. Administration officials and others who meet with him

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privately say he asks pointed, relevant questions and engages in lengthy,

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sometimes highly detailed discussions about the policy challenges facing the country.

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to significantly ease concerns among some of his supporters, and

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Republicans are poised to use the president's age as a

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political vulnerability, no matter what his doctors say. End quote.

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In other words, Biden is doing amazing, He's sharp as ever,

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but Republicans will pounce. Here's an Axios headline from October

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twenty twenty three. Quote Trump has his own age problem

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as he mocks eighty year old Biden's fitness end quote.

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big theme of the twenty twenty four campaign. But if

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Donald Trump wins the presidency, he'd also be the oldest

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person ever to be inaugurated, and his campaign has disclosed

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far less about his health than the White House has

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about the president end quote. The kicker is this article

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was written the exact same month as Biden's infamous interview

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with Special Counsel Robert Hurr about his classified documents scandal.

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charges to the Department of Justice, in part because he

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said quote Biden would likely present himself to the jury,

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as he did during our interview with him. As a sympathetic,

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well meaning elderly man with a poor memory. End quote.

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their interview, like when he was vice president or even

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when his son Bo had died. Her said, Biden's memory

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quote appeared to have significant limitations end quote. But it

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gets even better. This Axios article is written by none

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other than Alex Thompson, who co authored the book Original

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Sin with Jake Tapper about President Biden's decline and its

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cover up. Hmmm, kind of seems like you were in

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on the cover up there, Alex. This is par for

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the course for the corporate media. They lie, and they lie,

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and they lie some more. It's why they noted after

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the latest transgender school shooting last week that Donald Trump

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had been written on the gun, as if to suggest

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that the killer was a pro Trump fanatic, even though

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what the gun actually said was kill Donald Trump. It's

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why they churn out bogus fact checks that add ridiculous context.

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It's why they pairrot terrorist propaganda from the Gaza health ministry,

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rely on anonymous sources and so called experts, and why

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they hide blockbuster news under boring headlines and give nothing

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Burger News the most salacious headlines imaginable because for legacy media,

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it's not about telling the truth, it's about doing the

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best darn public relations. For Democrats, they possibly can. You know,

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maybe the fact that Trump is the president they have

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to write about once again tells you a little something

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about how that pr is going.

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Speaker 3: Are more people learning how to game the system?

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the economy and how it affects your wallet.

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Speaker 3: The Bureau of Labor Statistics reveal one point one million

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Americans have become disabled in the last three months, over

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two hundred thousand alone in July. Is America really as

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disabled as the data shows?

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it's affecting you financially. Be informed. Check out the Watchdot

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Speaker 1: It's a day ending and why so. The corporate media

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are out in full force with their absolute worst feminist

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takes on marriage, sex, birth control, parenthood, you name it

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here to discuss why the media scolds are wrong as

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usual are Federalist Executive Editor Joy Pullman and Federalist Assignment

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Editor El Pernell, who you've seen before. She's a favorite,

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and she's back. Welcome to both of you.

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Speaker 5: Good to see you, Kylie.

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Speaker 1: Thanks great to have you. So I want to start

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talking about a birth control article that I saw this

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week from the New York Times that really it kind

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of stopped me in my tracks. It was kind of

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a rough, weird article. Here's what it was called, who

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am I without birth control? Which is crazy that there

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are so many women now who have to ask that question.

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And this article it follows a woman who had been

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on hormonal birth control for a decade and she goes

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off of it to see who she is without it,

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which again is a valid question. If our hormones help

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determine who we are, our personalities and the way that

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we act and the way that we think, then if

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you've been on this cocktail of synthetic hormones for a decade,

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you might wonder who you are without them. And so

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she comes off these hormonal birth control pills and she

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has a baby, and the New York Times author then

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talks about lots of birth control misinformation, which a lot

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of it is not misinformation at all. It's very valid

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concerns that women have and things that have been demonstrably

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true side effects of hormonal birth control. And then she

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ends the article by painting this dire picture of motherhood

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using the woman who is the subject of the article,

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and she's just had her baby, and in the end

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she reveals that she goes back on hormonal birth control anyway,

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even though she felt better off of it because quote,

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I don't want to get pregnant again, end quote. Just

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a really crazy and sad story, but also pretty eye

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opening because it talks a lot about how many women

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are feeling clinics. Women are going into clinics all of

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the time saying, hey, I saw this thing on social media,

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or I'm on birth control and I don't like how

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it's making me feel. And I had some of these

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experiences too, where I got to the point, after being

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on hormonal birth control for not even that long, to

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treat something that had nothing to do with contraception, and

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shortly after I got married, I realized I don't feel

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anything like myself. This isn't me, and there's no explanation

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ingest every day. There's a lot of women that feel

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that way. And I'm curious how both of you felt

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after reading the article. Maybe what resonated with you and

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also what propaganda did you see in the article. I'll

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Speaker 6: Yeah, So, I mean the.

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Speaker 5: First the article opens describing this young lady Ashley's experienced

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the doctor and the way that The New York Times

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describes it. I don't know that they intended this to

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be so obvious, but it's very obvious that the doctor

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is pressuring her. Doctor keep saying, what do you mean,

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why are you trying to get off control? Well, why

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would you do that?

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Speaker 6: Why?

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Speaker 5: Why on earth would you choose to stop putting the

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synthetic hormone in your body if it, you know, if

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it's not making you violently ill every day. So that

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was striking just kind of the way that The New

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that the medical establishment treats women and questions women. And

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then the other thing was the the article is obviously

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trying to paint this picture of this woman. She was

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on birth control, on hormonal birth control, and then decided

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to come off of it oops, she got pregnant, and

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she you know, that was this like negative, negative consequence

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of her irresponsible decision. And then she goes back on it.

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she admit that she wasn't, like without getting too into

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graphic detail, that she wasn't really trying an alternative.

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Speaker 1: So like that's correct.

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Speaker 5: It's kind of funny, Like it's so clear that The

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New York Times was trying to paint this as hormonal

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contraception is the only option for women, and then like

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it's it very much was not the case what they

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were trying to portray of This woman was trying very hard,

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you know, not to get pregnant in whoops. But yeah,

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I mean they portrayed her getting pregnant as this this horrible,

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like worst possible option, which I mean it sounds like

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you kind of have to piece together with an outlet

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like the New York Times, like figure out what the person,

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how the person actually feels, and what the full story

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is because the New York Times will cherry pick what

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they say kind of paint their preferred narrative, and so

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if you couldn't read between those lines, doesn't sound like,

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this woman is devastated at the fact that she has

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a child, as much as The New.

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Speaker 1: M Yeah, their quotes that they used at the end

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when they talk about her pregnancy are very selective, very

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very interesting. Joy, What was your thought after reading the piece?

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to the side effects, the very real side effects of

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birth control, and in the article it paints a lot

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of these things as misinformation, but they're absolutely not anxiety depression.

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health issues. So that that really stood out to me,

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and I assume it probably did for you too, because that.

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especially since you know, not to put too fine a

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point on it. I have a little bit more life

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experience than both of you, So I have more use

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of accumulated experiences with girlfriends, you know, getting really you know,

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you know, gritty about talking about our challenges with hormones, health, fertility,

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all of those issues, you know. So I mean, so

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I'm thinking, you know, twenty years of that for me.

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like you who are using the pill, not for who

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have used or are using it for not contraceptive reasons,

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but because to deal with other kind of issues that

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they have. And I mean and and but the problem is,

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as you mentioned, it does have a lot of side effects.

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And I thought the New York Times article really was

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kind of speaking about both sides of its mouth there,

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because they were struggling to both kind of I mean,

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they mentioned, oh, it says on the side effects list

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that all of those things will happen. Right, So it

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is confirmed by this very people who are selling these

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birth control products to people that they have to put,

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you know, on the warning label the actual potential negative

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consequences of having birth control, you know, hormonal birth control,

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which do include you know, weight fluctuations, mood changes, anxiety,

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you know when, which of course can have all kinds

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of ramifications such as kind of problems with your partner

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or with your family, or changing who you feel like

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you are. And so so, while while the New York

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Times really wants you to take away that you should

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be on hormonal birth control, it also has to kind

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of be grudgingly admit that there are these real, legitimate

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thing issues that women do have while taking that synthetic,

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you know, a ray of hormones, and they can mess

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with many other aspects of not just your health, but

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who you are, who you are as a person. And

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so I've seen that kind of experienced women will talk

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that The New York Times would really join with a certain,

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you know, kind of group basically big pharma and really

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kind of telling women that their own perceptions and their

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feelings and their experiences are not real, that they must

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be in their head. They're faking them, they're making them

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up because you know, the quote unquote science you know

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tells you that, I mean, women do and not only

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do women have legitimate experiences that, like you said, you know,

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I'm on the pill, I have these changes happen. I'm

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off the pill, the changes go away. Right. But also

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there are you know, mainstream, well regarded, best selling New

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York Times authors who are doctors who have built entire

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careers and helping women detox from having used hormonal birth control,

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dealing with the side effects and sometimes the lifelong consequences

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of really trying to interrupt what is and should be

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a completely natural process for a moment of having a cycle.

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And so while I did, I like everyone, right, fertility

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is both a blessing and a challenge. It is really

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you know, baby is a really big commitments and so

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you know, people really want to have a lot more

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handle on that commitment than we really actually do. It

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is a part of life that is really you know,

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we have so many other things that we can manicure

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and control an ai out, but we still really can

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barely suppress you know, what nature does with women's bodies,

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which is make babies. You know, if you're healthy or

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you know, if you're if you're not able to make babies,

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typically your body is in a really bad state of health,

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and that's something that you want to fix as well. Right,

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Fertility is a sign of health for men and for women,

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and so we should all really want to be as

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fertile as possible just in order to really live our

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best lives inside our bodies. So but I mean, but

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the point of that being, you know, there are there.

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I really don't like the denial of women's experiences because

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they're not just in their head, it is in their bodies.

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There are biological changes in markers that are well documented,

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even in the warning labels on these products, you know,

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doctors who are helping women deal with these side expects,

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and you know, so and women are seeking that sort

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of information because we don't like those side effects and

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having to deal with them, so you know, right, so

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sometimes maybe the hormonal birth control can solve one problem,

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which I don't really I don't like, Like Ell said,

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the idea of casting a baby as a problem is

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really problematic for me. And you know, but so you

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know that that is a major part part of this

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as as you mentioned, the really anti life and I

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think being anti fertility is also being anti woman because

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women are the we have the wounds, right, womb and right,

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it's right in the word, we are the ones who

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just saved and grown new life. And so if you're

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trying to neuter and deny that capacity, you're really trying

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to neuter what it is to be a female human being.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: But it's not even just casting pregnancy or having a

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baby as as something that's a problem to be avoided.

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there's there's something really beautiful and conservative about saying the

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truth that women's hormonal fluctuations are actually good and normal

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and healthy. And you know, there's there are incentives in

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corporate America and among feminists, and you know, the people

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selling the pill to basically even out women and make

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them more like men and give them these synthetic hormones

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that sort of flatten all of those fluctuations, and they

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make us infertile, yes, either while we're on the pill,

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but then also sometimes for those effects are lasting, but

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it also makes us more like men. And I heard

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a really interesting podcast. I heard it quite a while ago,

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but I really listened to it recently with Jordan Peterson

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and doctor Sarah Hill, and she talked about the fact

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that men and others will often paint women as dramatic

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or hormonal or unpredictable, and she talks about the fact

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that that's a very male centric way to look at

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how hormones function, because women are actually very predictable. She said,

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if you bring in a woman and you tell me

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her age, and you tell me her last menstrual cycle

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the dates of that, she's like I can tell you

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exactly what's happening in that woman's body and with her hormones.

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anything about what's happening with his hormones because men's testosterone

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fluctuates based on you know, what they've eaten or what

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they just saw. You know, it's it's or whether they're

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sports team just won or lost. You know, women's hormonal

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fluctuations are beautiful, and there's like an incredibly wonderful and

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profound and like beautifully creative thing about the way our

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bodies function that just gets completely taken out when you

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when you put hormonal birth control into the equation. Oh,

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I think I cut you off, and I will.

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Speaker 6: Say mother as a mother, I noticed, I mean, there

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is something about kind of the cyclical nature of i mean,

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just growing life and being involved with life.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 6: So, you know, I was talking with a friend about

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this the other day, friend of the podcast, but I

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won't name since it was a private conversation, but we

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were talking about kind of the change of having you know,

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basically your young kids grown to teenagers and then't head

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off to college. And the comment that she made to

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me was, you know, a friend of mine and who

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is just a couple of years ahead of us in

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this stage you know, basically said, oh, it's kind of

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like the newborn stage again. And for me, having been

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through the newborn stage six times, I know exactly what

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that means.

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Speaker 1: The newborn.

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Speaker 6: You know, the babies basically change. You're basically just like women,

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You're always trying to just stay ahead of the next

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change with the baby. Right, So first there you know,

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for a week, two weeks, three weeks, four weeks, you

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know they're sleeping this way. And then just as soon

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as you think I understand what the baby's doing this

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is the pattern, then the baby changes, is right, Teething

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is happening, some growth and you know, neural development, and

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it's the same thing as a mother. It may not

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be you know, I think it kind of evens out

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in lengthens a little bit as the children grow older.

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But you know, with every single child, they have their

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own life cycle, you know they have you know they're

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in some you know, one child maybe in a challenging

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point in life period. You know, then you have to

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kind of lean into that and help that child and

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support them and think about where they are now. Another

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child may be doing really great and certain you know

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that in the same family, same environment, you know, but

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that the other child may be doing really great and

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having the best time of it for you know, a

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couple of months until he's going to run it in

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his growth block. So life is is way way more

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you know, cyclical, and it's involves a lot of waves

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and things that you just have to be kind of

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ready to pivot to. And that's one of the things

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that I think women and having this sort of a

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you know, ocean like nature, no ebbs and flows and

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tides and sort of things. You know, we I think

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we may be you know, better suited for handling that

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sort of thing, or being at least, you know, instinctively

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aware of the ebb and flow that comes with a

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normal life in a family, you know, than men who

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are more constant productivity, always on, you know, straightforward, et cetera.

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And by the way, my husband, my husband just mentioned

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to me, healer men have a cycle too, but it's

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a daily cycle, you know, Where women have a monthly cycle,

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men have a daily one. And so I just think

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you know that really things like that, those little scientific

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facts do tell us something about the differences between men

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and women and the ways that we can work together

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for the good of everybody.

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Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Yeah. I want to pivot to another article

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I saw this week about marriage, as you mentioned your

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husband Joy, but this one specifically relates to Taylor Swift

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and Travis Kelcey. And I'm sorry for bringing up Taylor

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Swift two weeks in a row, but I couldn't help it.

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It's MSNBC's fault. Their headline is Taylor Swift here. Let

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me pull it up for us. Here, Taylor Swift's about

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to find out what a lot of married women already know.

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And then it goes on to say, in many ways,

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marriage creates more problems than it solves. Hot take. No

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one knows that more than well people who are married.

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Speaker 3: Elle.

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Speaker 1: You wrote on this, so I want to get your thoughts,

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But I just have to say I was appalled at

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how negatively this author, her name is Christina Wyman, how

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negatively she paints her own marriage and just short of

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like shrugs at her husband, like she says negative things

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about him and can't really say all that much positive.

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I just I would love to get your thoughts.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's my thoughts are similar to yours. I think.

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I mean, she says she's happily married, which you know,

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I see the headline and lead of that article, and

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I think, like, oh, maybe this is from a woman

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who's never been married or like he's in a very

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unhappy one. But she says she's happily married. But then

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she goes on to talk about how disappointing her marriage

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is and how single women are happier than married women,

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and she's you know, kind of writing this whole article

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as a war, a big red warning flag, like, hey,

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Taylor Swift, before you get married, here's what you should know.

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And I think it actually is important to have conversations

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that prepare young people, men and women for marriage. I

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know a lot of people do go into marriage ill informed,

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but but the way to prepare them for it is

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not to tell to scare them off about like it

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being horrible, because it's not horrible.

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Speaker 6: It's wonderful.

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Speaker 5: And I think the mistake that a lot of people

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make it and I go into this in my piece,

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is a lot of people expect that they confuse love

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and marriage for having a feeling of happiness and another

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person that that is, you know, makes them feel happy,

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and it should, you know, marriage, your spouse should make

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you feel happy often. But but that's that's not sufficient.

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You know that that's that's that's necessary, but not sufficient

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ingredient for marriage. It's not just about marrying somebody because

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they make you feel good. You entered in a marriage.

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It's a covenant. It's a you know, a relationship where

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you agree to each put the other person first, and

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you you know, you're not seeing this person as kind

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of a tool for your own happiness and self satisfaction,

480
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but as someone to invest in and to mutually assist

481
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in each to their sanctification. And that's beautiful. It's very rich.

482
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It's much richer than kind of the the anemic version

483
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that this author describes in the article. So I wish

484
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for and her husband the best. I hope they get

485
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the help that they need, because the way to solve

486
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,599
problems in your marriage is not to air them in

487
00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,359
an article on MSNBC.

488
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Speaker 1: Or in right right. This is the way she describes

489
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,640
her marriage, and one one particular paragraph that just stuck out,

490
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:50,079
stuck out to me like a sort of thumb. It

491
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was so awful, she says, despite our love and commitment

492
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to each other. Most of our days together are marked

493
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by drudgery, negotiation, mild arguments, odd smells, and tedium with

494
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,960
a healthy dose of my numbing irritation that has made

495
00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,880
me want to throw in the towel more times than

496
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,440
I can recall. Yet she describes herself as happily married,

497
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and I'm just like, not that there aren't hard days

498
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or not that there aren't, you know, disagreements or healthy conflict.

499
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I mean, that's that's like any relationship. But I can't

500
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say I relate to that description of what happily married

501
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,200
looks like.

502
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Speaker 5: Well, I also could want to know what she suggests

503
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,440
as an alternative, because she says that so she and

504
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,440
her husband married at she was thirty nine, and when

505
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they got engaged, she says that he's been dating for

506
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six years, and the way that she describes it, it

507
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,799
doesn't sound like she was content in that six year

508
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:43,359
dating period. Like she says that she was happy, not overjoyed.

509
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She caveats she wasn't overjoyed, but she was happy when

510
00:25:46,519 --> 00:25:50,480
her now has been proposed. But so I don't think

511
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she necessarily would prefer this kind of permanent state of dating.

512
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I don't think that she would recommend several marriages, you know,

513
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like marriage and then divorcement and other you know. So

514
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I'm not sure what she thinks would be better, but

515
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it is. It does seem clear that she's unhappy in

516
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her marriage, and I from the way that she you know,

517
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I would wager to guess that if she's going to

518
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talk about her husband this way publicly, he's probably pretty

519
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unhappy too.

520
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Speaker 1: I agree. I agree. I'm also curious, and I have

521
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no way of knowing this, but she talks about the

522
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fact that they're in marriage counseling or a couple's therapy

523
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or something. I forget how she phraises it. And I'm

524
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just curious whether the marriage therapist that they're saying, because

525
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I don't. I am not of the belief that therapy

526
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or counseling is a vitamin. Like I don't think it's

527
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something that everyone needs. It's something that is like very specific.

528
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:49,799
I think it can actually make you more unhappy or

529
00:26:49,839 --> 00:26:52,640
more discontent, or talk you into problems, and I wonder

530
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,839
if that's what's happening here. Like I don't think happily

531
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married couples need to go to marriage therapy or marriage counseling,

532
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and so I'm just curious, like, if you are actually married,

533
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,599
your therapist talking you into that, boy, go ahead, joy.

534
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 6: Well, the thing I think is like marriage, people who

535
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,400
are in marriage counseling, which I fully support people you know,

536
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,240
going and getting help if they're in a rough time,

537
00:27:14,599 --> 00:27:16,559
and every therapist is not a great choice. So I

538
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,880
also recommend people maybe try out a few if they're

539
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,599
not clicking or getting really in traction within the first

540
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:24,400
couple of visits with someone. So I'm you know, I'm

541
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,920
pro seeking out help, you know, when you have difficulties

542
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,599
in life, although not every therapist is going to be

543
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,759
actually that helpful. But people who are in that rough

544
00:27:32,799 --> 00:27:34,480
time in life really are not in a good place

545
00:27:34,519 --> 00:27:36,680
to be kind of opining about the value of marriage

546
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,519
when they are clearly not doing it very well. And

547
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:41,720
it's just, you know, so the same thing. I mean,

548
00:27:41,759 --> 00:27:44,880
if someone was really not a skilled parent, we were

549
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,960
really like hav you know, needing mentoring or having someone

550
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,480
to guide them, that's great. They should absolutely you know,

551
00:27:49,519 --> 00:27:51,880
be apprenticed in learning, but we don't ask the apprentices

552
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,720
the people who don't are demonstrating the skills, you know,

553
00:27:54,799 --> 00:27:56,559
to be teaching the rest of people. The skills that

554
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they don't have. And so, you know, frankly, this really

555
00:27:59,680 --> 00:28:02,119
is one article that you know, the editors should never

556
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,359
have recruited or run because the person kind of disqualifies

557
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,000
herself in the course of writing the article that they published.

558
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: Right, that's a great point, Joy, And I don't mean to.

559
00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:16,599
I don't mean to talk badly about marriage counseling or therapy,

560
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because I my point is that it's not you know,

561
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,880
some people say everyone should be in therapy, and all

562
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:24,519
I'm saying is I don't think that that's true. Like

563
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:27,160
I view it as a prescription drug that's that's there

564
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,559
to solve a problem with an off ramp, rather than

565
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:32,400
like a vitamin supplement that everyone should be taking because

566
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:35,200
it's just like good for everyone, you know. So anyway,

567
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,920
but I completely agree that you shouldn't look to those

568
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,799
people for telling you what a what a happy, healthy

569
00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:42,119
marriage necessarily looks like.

570
00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:46,519
Speaker 5: She also, just real quick, here's what I mean. I

571
00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:50,799
don't I'm not a therapist, thank goodness, but just just

572
00:28:50,839 --> 00:28:52,640
for me, the article like if I were Ziger for

573
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,079
a free piece of you know, marriage advice. Like not

574
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:58,480
that I'm some long standing marriage expert, but the way

575
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:00,519
she talks about her problems with their hesan. You know,

576
00:29:00,559 --> 00:29:03,640
she says, oh, we have our share of conflict. Sure

577
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:07,880
everybody does, Like every husband and wife have arguments, but

578
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:10,400
you know, we're simple people. But the way that she

579
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,680
says this, and then she she describes the origin of

580
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,240
many of their conflicts, and she describes it as like, well,

581
00:29:17,279 --> 00:29:20,920
I'm this assertive, confident New Yorker and my husband is

582
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:25,119
conflict avoidance. And everybody knows that conflict avoidant people are

583
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:26,680
not good at handling conflict.

584
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Speaker 6: And so because of my husband's conflict avoidance.

585
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,400
Speaker 5: We aren't, you know, we weren't able to work for it.

586
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,319
Like she's just very clearly blaming their fights on her husband.

587
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:38,759
That's not a good faith position to start from. So

588
00:29:39,039 --> 00:29:41,759
you know, if you're having a problem, it might be

589
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because you're quickly blaming it on your spouse.

590
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:50,680
Speaker 1: Right. She's also just totally wrong about not only what

591
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:54,200
marriage is for, but also the research behind marriage and happiness.

592
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She says that married people are not happier than single people.

593
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:01,200
But that's just not true, and the data shows that

594
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that's not true. And there was a good reminder of

595
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,839
that this week also with an Atlantic article written by

596
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,960
Gene Twine, called the marriage effect. A common narrative has

597
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:13,400
it that commitment and motherhood make women unhappy, but new

598
00:30:13,559 --> 00:30:18,799
data suggests the opposite is true, and Elle in your

599
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,920
piece you write. According to the survey, forty three percent

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of married women without children reported that their lives were enjoyable,

601
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compared to only thirty four percent of unmarried childless women.

602
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,519
For married mothers, the number was even higher, at forty

603
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,039
seven percent. Married mothers were nearly twice as likely to

604
00:30:37,079 --> 00:30:41,799
report being very happy as their single, childless counterparts. And

605
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,960
it's worth noting that this was not just a random,

606
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one off throwaway study. This was a survey of three

607
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thousand American women between ages twenty five and fifty five,

608
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so a pretty comprehensive study. And I think everyone here

609
00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:00,519
would agree that married mothers and fathers are just happier

610
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across the board than unmarried childless counterparts here.

611
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:12,359
Speaker 5: So maybe what this MSNBC lady needs is a baby, right, Well,

612
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,960
you know, I think, so I followed.

613
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Speaker 6: You know, doctor Twainy is really well known in social

614
00:31:16,799 --> 00:31:19,000
science research, and she's done a lot of really well,

615
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:21,440
you know, popular studies and books. So I followed her

616
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,880
for a long time, but I think her article underscores

617
00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:27,480
kind of a longstanding understanding of the classic philosophers. No,

618
00:31:27,599 --> 00:31:29,680
she doesn't refer to them, but it made me think

619
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,880
of the classic Aristotelian you know, understanding of happiness, which

620
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,039
I think is so different from what people today think

621
00:31:35,079 --> 00:31:38,119
of it. People today tend, I think, think of happiness

622
00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,720
as temporary personal comfort and ease, when really, you know,

623
00:31:41,759 --> 00:31:45,400
classically and Christian, you know, in the Christian tradition, happiness

624
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,680
is I mean, Aristotle will famously define it as the

625
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:50,720
activity of the soul in accord with virtue. The idea

626
00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:52,400
of being that of course, you know, are the way

627
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,200
that we feel our passions are fleeting, but something that

628
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,759
endures and enduring, you know, state of the soul that

629
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,480
is inconstant with in that harmony with nature, with God,

630
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:04,480
with God. Is somebody who's who's trying to order their

631
00:32:04,519 --> 00:32:07,480
lives in alignment with you know, the precepts that God

632
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:09,519
and Nature have set out for them. And this is

633
00:32:09,519 --> 00:32:11,759
something that is of course classically American as well. We

634
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:13,799
have you know, the pursuit of happiness as part of

635
00:32:13,799 --> 00:32:16,920
our founding documents. But the founders and in aligned with

636
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,799
those classical philosophers really thought of happiness not as making

637
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:24,559
myself feel comfortable every bit of every day, but really,

638
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,119
you know, what is it that I am doing to

639
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:29,200
become a better and more perfect person? And I really

640
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,440
think it's very evident that, you know, if if you

641
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,119
were to frame this whole question that way, which of

642
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,279
course the studied author didn't do. They just let people

643
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:39,039
define their own happiness, which is fine, But I think

644
00:32:39,119 --> 00:32:41,400
if they did a little bit more dialed into the

645
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,680
concept of happiness, and they would, they would I think

646
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,720
it even higher numbers for married and mothers, because, as uh,

647
00:32:48,839 --> 00:32:51,960
you know, doctor twenty points out in her article, marriage

648
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,079
and motherhood may not be comfortable. They are definitely way

649
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:58,000
more challenging than being a single person. But they also

650
00:32:58,079 --> 00:33:00,279
call you to a higher version of yourself, and they

651
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:03,400
constantly challenge you to rise to the occasions. So the

652
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,599
difficulties presented to you by needing to love and care

653
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:08,680
for other people who are in your life who you

654
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:09,680
cannot get rid of.

655
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Speaker 1: Right, and some of the questions do get to some

656
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,720
of that. I'm recalling this from memory, so I might

657
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:19,960
be wrong about the exact exact statistic, but they did

658
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:23,480
ask these women that they surveyed about meaning and purpose,

659
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,799
and so much of that gets to what true happiness is,

660
00:33:27,839 --> 00:33:30,519
which is like, yeah, it's not just about self fulfillment,

661
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:34,759
it's about like investing in another. And it was something

662
00:33:34,839 --> 00:33:39,799
like thirty percent of married women with children reported having

663
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,319
more of a purpose or meaning and only fifteen percent

664
00:33:42,359 --> 00:33:44,920
of unmarried and childless women reported having the same thing.

665
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:47,920
And I think that's where some of this happiness, at

666
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:51,240
least what they're labeling it as happiness, where it comes from.

667
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:56,480
I'm curious, Joy. Now. I think a lot of people

668
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:01,039
probably think that this, maybe this meaning and purpose is

669
00:34:01,079 --> 00:34:05,319
what's driving this sort of big family trend. And for

670
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:09,000
some people, I'm sure that that's the case. There's a book,

671
00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:12,400
Hannah's Children that's relatively new that gets to some of this,

672
00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,480
but there are also some other really bizarre social status

673
00:34:16,519 --> 00:34:20,199
symbol reasons that seem to be fueling this new trend

674
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,079
behind big families. Joy, you have a big family, So

675
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,199
I want to get your thoughts on this recent article

676
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,000
by The Financial Times. It's called the ultimate status symbol

677
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,280
A big family. A flex of uber wealth in twenty

678
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:38,599
twenty five is multiple children all the while preserving pre parenthood, lifestyles, interests,

679
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:42,079
and physique. Joy. You have six kids, so that's fair

680
00:34:42,119 --> 00:34:45,760
to say that is a big family. I would not

681
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:51,719
say that the style of this article necessarily describes your family,

682
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,199
because you are not out here on Instagram in a

683
00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:58,000
milk made dress giving us content of you rearing your

684
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,719
six children. So I really want to know what your

685
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,320
thoughts in this article, art, good, bad, or otherwise about

686
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:03,239
the big family trend.

687
00:35:05,159 --> 00:35:07,559
Speaker 6: I think if anybody sees a picture of me in

688
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:09,559
a milkmay dress, you can be assured it was.

689
00:35:09,519 --> 00:35:10,239
Speaker 5: Done by AI.

690
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 6: That ain't never happened in Sista. But I mean so

691
00:35:17,159 --> 00:35:19,519
I think actually this this kind of ties actually back

692
00:35:19,599 --> 00:35:22,400
right into our discussion of the birth control article, because

693
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:26,039
I personally avoided hormonal birth control just first actually about

694
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,840
concern for the health effects of it. It seemed to

695
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,559
me completely unnatural. I mean, although it sounds great, it

696
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:34,840
also seemed very curious to just kind of like end

697
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,480
your cycle, you know, or reduce it down to almost

698
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:40,280
nothing a little bit of spotting occasionally, and so you know,

699
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,880
based on that, I just was suspicious of it from

700
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,840
the beginning. And now I'm so grateful that that kind

701
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:47,360
of staved me off long enough to get to the

702
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,719
point where I was able to read some research that

703
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:53,519
really showed that hormonal birth control, including iud's, which is

704
00:35:53,519 --> 00:35:56,880
something I've been considering, have a boredifacient effect. So they

705
00:35:56,920 --> 00:36:00,159
can starve a tiny baby to death inside your body,

706
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,920
which is something for me is completely you know, that

707
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:06,440
doesn't comport with my ethical values, with my Christian beliefs,

708
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,000
and so I'm so grateful that basically God spared me

709
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:12,119
from that almost you know, without me having any knowledge

710
00:36:12,280 --> 00:36:13,880
that you know, he was doing that for me. But

711
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:16,480
the result, of course was six children, because they are right,

712
00:36:16,519 --> 00:36:18,679
when you do the thing that married people do and

713
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,920
you have a relatively healthy body, chances are babies are

714
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,360
going to happen. And so that happened for me and

715
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,920
my husband. And so I mean, I like to tell

716
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,880
people that only one of the kids was all us

717
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,880
five of them or were unplanned, which to me is

718
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,960
very very funny. I was stilling a friend at the

719
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,960
pool the other day, like, basically, I agreed to have

720
00:36:41,079 --> 00:36:43,800
one child, begrudgingly as part of the contract in order

721
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,800
to get my husband to marry me. You know, while

722
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,719
we were dating, he hinted that he wanted children, and

723
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,360
I was planning to really have none. But I really

724
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,639
really was in love with this super handsome guy. And

725
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,480
it turns out that was a great decision for me

726
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,199
because he's a wonderful husband and father and we are

727
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:02,519
very happy the completely different way than I had expected

728
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,760
when I was that young woman really scared of fertility.

729
00:37:06,119 --> 00:37:08,599
I mean also, I mean, agility is still scared, right,

730
00:37:08,679 --> 00:37:10,679
you know. And if you know, any time like your

731
00:37:10,679 --> 00:37:13,920
body can be commenteered by another being and you're you know,

732
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,519
you have to all of a sudden jump into feeding them,

733
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,239
taking care of them, attending to their needs twenty four

734
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,079
to seven pretty much for the next thirty years.

735
00:37:22,119 --> 00:37:22,320
Speaker 5: You know.

736
00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:24,679
Speaker 6: That's that's a big deal. And I think people are

737
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,119
right to recognize that. But what they don't recognize is

738
00:37:27,159 --> 00:37:30,159
the ever. I mean that just babies are awesome, you know.

739
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:32,440
So I haven't had a baby for five years, which

740
00:37:32,480 --> 00:37:34,320
is kind of a miracle, because I had the first

741
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,480
six and eight years or sorry, nine years, so I know,

742
00:37:37,519 --> 00:37:39,480
I was I was nursing for like ten and a

743
00:37:39,519 --> 00:37:43,440
half years straight, totally ridiculous.

744
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:44,599
Speaker 5: But but but.

745
00:37:44,599 --> 00:37:47,559
Speaker 1: So but how many hours, join may so many hours,

746
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:49,679
so many hours I.

747
00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:50,320
Speaker 4: Liked it to.

748
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,800
Speaker 6: I mean, I think I think probably seventy five percent

749
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:55,519
of my professional outfit was generated with a baby in

750
00:37:55,559 --> 00:37:59,199
one arm. You know. It's just it's just crazy. So

751
00:37:59,320 --> 00:38:01,159
it's it's a life. And I also, I mean, so

752
00:38:01,199 --> 00:38:05,079
the Financial Times article talks about unlike the Kardashians apparently

753
00:38:05,119 --> 00:38:10,239
have ten housekeepers, nanny's, you know, babysitters, the what's what's

754
00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:17,480
the what's the fake hilaria, the baldwins. You say, yeah,

755
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:22,320
you say cucumber or whatever's never she's never gonna out

756
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,840
of that one. But but they apparently have like four nanny's.

757
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:27,519
I've never had a nanny, you know, So I'm doing

758
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,119
it all with the babies around, which is I mean,

759
00:38:30,159 --> 00:38:31,960
I tell you, if we would allow our family to

760
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,719
be a reality show, it would be ridiculous. But we're

761
00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,159
not going to do that to our children, our relationship.

762
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:39,800
But I mean, but I mean, so I don't feel

763
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,199
like it's any kind of status symbol at all, because

764
00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:44,599
just by virtue of not wanting to kill children, this

765
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:47,400
kind of happened to me. And so rather than you know,

766
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:51,079
responding with the horror horrors of murder or returning myself

767
00:38:51,119 --> 00:38:54,320
and you know, to a killing field for kids. I decided, well,

768
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,039
you know, I think that is way worse than just

769
00:38:56,079 --> 00:38:59,800
accepting them and their beauty. I mean, I I would

770
00:38:59,840 --> 00:39:02,320
say that my first child was probably my scariest in

771
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:04,400
terms of like not knowing what I was getting into

772
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:08,360
and really switching my mind around from like thinking, oh,

773
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,559
I was going to be a career woman with no children,

774
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:13,199
you know, to Okay, I guess now I'm not going

775
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:14,800
to do that again. What's it going to look like?

776
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:18,559
But he, I mean, you know, now fifteen years later,

777
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:22,840
he's gorgeous, Like he's just so beautiful. He is really smart,

778
00:39:22,920 --> 00:39:27,119
he's really responsible, he loves his family, he's extremely goofy.

779
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:28,960
You know, like when I look at that child, I

780
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:30,920
have tears in my euths and I'm so, so so

781
00:39:31,159 --> 00:39:33,679
glad that I had that boy. And I feel that

782
00:39:33,719 --> 00:39:35,920
way about every one of my kids. And I think

783
00:39:36,039 --> 00:39:38,239
if you if you don't come to a place, if

784
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:40,280
you come to a place where you regret those kids

785
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,039
and you're like you can look them in the eyes

786
00:39:42,039 --> 00:39:43,760
that regret them, then you really need to go see

787
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:47,719
the psychologist. Because they're beautiful and they're wonderful, and they

788
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:50,480
change your life. In all the best ways. And I

789
00:39:50,519 --> 00:39:52,519
you know, and even though it's been quite a ride

790
00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:54,880
and it has not been all pleasant every second of

791
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:57,119
the way, it's you know, still not every day, it's

792
00:39:57,159 --> 00:39:58,079
absolutely worth it.

793
00:39:59,559 --> 00:40:02,840
Speaker 1: I think this podcast just generated a really good idea

794
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,519
for Federalist exclusive subscriber content, and that is a reality

795
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:10,360
television show that features Joy parenting her six kids. I

796
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,519
think that is a really good idea for I'm gonna

797
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:15,280
tell we our bosses about that one.

798
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,559
Speaker 6: I forget when I was like reality show because my

799
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:23,480
youngest guy is the most effective at getting around that

800
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:26,519
I post guards on my door when I'm recording videos,

801
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,679
and that little guy he has gotten around his daddy,

802
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:33,639
like multiple times. He's gotten through locked doors. So you know,

803
00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:35,719
if we just do enough recordings that there will be

804
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:37,000
little blonde heads.

805
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,280
Speaker 1: Pop it up here, we might catch a glimpse.

806
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:42,679
Speaker 5: I'll never forget. Like early on when I had recently

807
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:45,480
joined the Federalists, I think I was having a phone

808
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,039
called Joy and oh yeah, I had a phone put

809
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:50,440
Joy and she had just come off the radio and

810
00:40:50,679 --> 00:40:53,039
this was like a supposed to have five minute radio hit.

811
00:40:53,119 --> 00:40:55,159
I think they had like kept her on answering questions

812
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:57,840
for like forty five minutes or something, and as she's

813
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,559
on the radio, her children are like running out and

814
00:41:02,039 --> 00:41:03,519
playing in the mud in the front yard, and then

815
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:07,840
I think they got stuck, and so like literally she's

816
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:09,920
on the radio, but during the commercial break, she like

817
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:13,159
goes outside and picks up her child and like leaves

818
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:16,960
the underst imagining stop in the mud, and like carries

819
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,800
the child to the bathroom, deposits the child in the bathtub,

820
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,840
and then like it's back on air by the time

821
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,559
the commercial break is over. And so this is the

822
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,559
you know, Joyce selling the record happened, And I was like,

823
00:41:27,159 --> 00:41:28,760
what kind of women am I working?

824
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:35,840
Speaker 1: That is so awesome? Well, okay, I think that's why

825
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:38,679
this article I thought it was good and bad because

826
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,000
it talks about the big family being a status symbol.

827
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:44,199
And it depends how you define status symbol. Like if

828
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:47,840
you mean rich in life, like in the ways that

829
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,039
we think of being rich, like soul rich and like

830
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:53,639
rich with experiences and rich with posterity and you know,

831
00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:56,400
all of the things that actually matter, then yeah, a

832
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:58,760
big family is like the best thing you could ever achieve.

833
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,760
But I think in this article, well, it's talking about

834
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:02,639
it being a status symbol as like, yeah, look at

835
00:42:02,639 --> 00:42:04,360
all of these rich people who also have all of

836
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:08,320
these kids, and they can still keep their perfect lifestyles

837
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:10,480
and their perfect physiques, and you know, they can pay

838
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,760
for all of this child care or whatever. And it's like,

839
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:17,800
I think, actually, you know, the people who are actually

840
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:22,199
having big families, like it requires you to sacrifice something

841
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:24,199
of yourself in a big way, more so than just

842
00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:25,920
having one kid or two kids, you know, more so

843
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:28,960
than just keeping maybe at the replacement rate. It's like

844
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:32,360
setting aside those other status things that you maybe would

845
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:36,239
otherwise want to have to have instead a different be

846
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:38,519
rich in a very different way. And I think that's

847
00:42:38,599 --> 00:42:40,920
kind of why the article seemed a little bit off

848
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,400
to me, because you know, the Ballerina farm family might

849
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:47,039
be doing great, but it's like that's not real life.

850
00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:51,039
They're not Yeah, what were you gonna say? Joy?

851
00:42:51,559 --> 00:42:54,079
Speaker 6: I kind of indicated that, you know, it's a baby

852
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:57,400
is something that requires a vast amount of financial resources.

853
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,000
And look, look, I get that millennial right, the inflation,

854
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:05,280
the college debt, the home prices. You know, the boomers

855
00:43:05,320 --> 00:43:07,000
have pensions, and we don't like I get all of

856
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:09,639
that background, right, But at the same time. And my

857
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:12,039
husband and I are not wealthy, you know, you know,

858
00:43:12,079 --> 00:43:14,920
we provide for our kids great. I'm very grateful, you know,

859
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:17,360
to the Federalists and to my husband's employment. You know,

860
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:19,119
we definitely can have food on the table, and I

861
00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:21,239
don't have to worry about that. But you know, we're

862
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:24,119
not jay Z. You know, we're not Elon Musk by

863
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:26,960
any stretch of the means. And all the kids are fine,

864
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:30,559
you know they we but and I know many many

865
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:32,920
families who are on one income who have as many

866
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:35,840
or more children than we do, and they have wonderful children.

867
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:39,320
The children do not need to have, you know, Elon

868
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:41,760
Musk levels of money. And in fact, I kind of

869
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:45,559
wonder if I mean, especially Elon Musk case, sometimes having

870
00:43:45,599 --> 00:43:47,480
the money is a barrier to being a good dad,

871
00:43:47,559 --> 00:43:49,920
because it gives you this fiction that you can just

872
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:52,920
buy a substitute parent. You know, Elon is having his

873
00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:55,880
baby with women that he I mean, how much time

874
00:43:55,920 --> 00:43:59,079
FaceTime can he possibly spend with fourteen children with seven

875
00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:02,880
different mothers. There's just no way that those children are

876
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,719
getting the kind of parenting that my husband is giving

877
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,719
to our six children. And you know, it's spending hours

878
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,480
and hours, you know, personally being with them, and when

879
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,119
they cry, he can hear them, you know, when they

880
00:44:14,159 --> 00:44:16,039
wake up in the middle of the night, his mommy,

881
00:44:16,239 --> 00:44:19,079
our children's mommy and daddy, we are there for them.

882
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,119
That is not true for Elon Musk kids. And you

883
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:23,360
can and when kids are raising an environment like that,

884
00:44:23,559 --> 00:44:25,519
I look, I wish them the best. I want the

885
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:28,159
best for them. Sometimes you can escape the odds. But

886
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:30,280
the odds are that children who are raised in those

887
00:44:30,360 --> 00:44:33,559
environments without their father present for them, married to their mother,

888
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,320
those kids grow up to be very sad, and they're

889
00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:41,480
disp portially represented among every every indicator of depression, anxiety

890
00:44:41,519 --> 00:44:43,639
and violence that exists out there.

891
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: Right, children have a natural right to their mother and father,

892
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:49,880
not one of ten caretakers around the clock in the

893
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,360
Kardashian home, right, all right, and.

894
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:55,519
Speaker 6: So and that's actually why you know I've chosen to

895
00:44:55,639 --> 00:44:57,599
I mean, because God gave me the kids and we

896
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:00,119
weren't willing to kill them. And I also know the

897
00:45:00,159 --> 00:45:02,519
children need bonding with their mother, so we don't, you know,

898
00:45:02,559 --> 00:45:04,480
we don't have a nanny because I think the children

899
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:06,000
need me. And yeah, it means I can't be on

900
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:08,039
TV it means that I've got a little guy right

901
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:10,239
now peeking around you know, the door, you know, of

902
00:45:10,320 --> 00:45:14,079
my office, with his eyes very big thinking. Okay, at

903
00:45:14,159 --> 00:45:16,400
least he has enough age and self presence to be

904
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:17,000
quiet right now.

905
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:17,199
Speaker 5: Right.

906
00:45:17,239 --> 00:45:19,639
Speaker 6: But but I mean that, you know, you can't have

907
00:45:19,679 --> 00:45:21,960
a high flying sort of career and be that committed

908
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,639
to that many children. The two are really mutually exclusive.

909
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,800
And so you know, I do what I can. I'm

910
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:29,440
very grateful that I'm able, you know, to have flexible work.

911
00:45:29,639 --> 00:45:31,559
But the truth is, you know, I can't have the

912
00:45:31,679 --> 00:45:33,880
kind of career that some would have without children. The

913
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,679
two are incompatible. But I mean, I think, I mean,

914
00:45:37,039 --> 00:45:39,199
and look, this is a life that's been given to me, right,

915
00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:41,480
I didn't necessarily choose to have the kids. They've been

916
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,000
given to me as a gift. So it's not just

917
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:45,199
you know, my job and everybody else's job, you know,

918
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:47,719
or you know who has children to try to fulfill

919
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,519
that responsibility as best as we can. And but the

920
00:45:50,519 --> 00:45:53,000
point but the bottom line there's I don't begrudge anyone

921
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:54,679
a high flying career, but I don't think I think

922
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,480
our society would be better off if more people would

923
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,599
put most of their energies into their families as opposed

924
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:03,199
and used the career as a subsidiary to the family,

925
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:05,880
the point of the career being to help the family

926
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:09,760
to flourish, rather than you know, one's particular you know,

927
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:13,159
ego needs or just financial needs or whatever the case is. Really,

928
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:15,280
the family should be the reason that we have a career.

929
00:46:15,039 --> 00:46:19,199
Speaker 1: At all, right, And I do think that that starts

930
00:46:19,239 --> 00:46:24,079
with being honest about the reality that women are generally

931
00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:26,880
happier and more fulfilled when they are married and have children.

932
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,400
And I think it was the Atlantic article, but maybe

933
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:30,679
it was a different one that we talked about. I

934
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,159
read too many, I don't remember, But she talked about

935
00:46:33,159 --> 00:46:36,440
how when she was considering whether to have children, any

936
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:40,480
everywhere she looked, it was only messaging that was dissuading

937
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:42,960
her from having children, not that encouraged her about why

938
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,119
it was wonderful. And so I think it's really important

939
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:47,639
for men and women to hear from people like you,

940
00:46:47,719 --> 00:46:51,159
Joy who have big, full, wonderful lives with six kids,

941
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:54,239
because sure, there are trade offs, but it's really such

942
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,280
a wonderful thing and it provides so much meaning, and

943
00:46:57,159 --> 00:46:59,719
so yeah, I love to see these surveys, and I

944
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,320
love here from people like you because I think we

945
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,840
need to heards.

946
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:06,440
Speaker 6: If I couldn't have my job and have my kids,

947
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,559
I would pick the kids every time. But that's now

948
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:11,199
in hindsight, right. I could have never known that before

949
00:47:11,239 --> 00:47:13,840
all the kids came along, and I think the vast

950
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,199
majority of people, if they were honest, would say the same.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, and I think the research shows that.

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Speaker 6: Well.

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Speaker 1: I think we should give her little guy his mom back.

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So I'm going to wrap this up, but I've really

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enjoyed this conversation and I think there's a lot of

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good stuff here. So thank you both for joining me,

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and I hope to have you both again very soon.

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Speaker 5: Thanks Kylie.

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Speaker 6: Time.

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Speaker 1: All right, before I wrap up, I have to play

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an absolutely absurd statement the Democrat Senator Tim Kaine made

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during a confirmation hearing this week.

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Speaker 2: Take a look the notion that rights don't come from

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laws and don't come from the government, but come from

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the creator. That's what the Iranian government believes. It's a

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theacre regime that bases its rule on Shia law and

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targets sunnies Bahi's, Jews, Christians and other religious minorities, and

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they do it because they believe that they understand what

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natural rights are from their creator. So the statement that

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our rights do not come from our laws or our

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governments is extremely troubling.

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Speaker 1: As several people have pointed out on x Kin even

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gets his facts about Iran wrong, considering that the Iyatola

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is the supreme authority on rights, even superseding religious law.

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But way more troubling is that this United States senator,

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who claims to be a devout Catholic, by the way,

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doesn't understand basic doctrines of the Christian faith or this

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country's most foundational documents and principles. For crying out loud,

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it's right there in some of the opening lines of

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the Declaration of Independence. We hold these truths to be

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self evident, that all men are created equal, that they

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are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights, that

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among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

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That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men,

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deriving their powers from the consent of the governed. That

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whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends,

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it is the right of the people to alter or

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to abolish it, and to institute new government. In other words,

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it is obvious that every single person is bestowed with

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rights from the Creator that cannot be taken away from them,

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and that government's function isn't to give people those rights,

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it's to protect the God given rights they naturally have,

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including the rights to life and liberty. Tim Kaine also

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must have missed the history lesson laying out the debates

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between the federalists and the anti federalists, where the anti

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federalists insisted that certain rights needed to be explicitly enumerated

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because they feared that the government would be tyrannical, whereas

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the Federalists argued that these human rights were inherent, that

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the Constitution, by limiting the power of the government, inherently

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protected rights because those rights didn't come from government in

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the first place, they came from God. Of course, they

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came to a compromise to gain support for the Constitution,

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but they all understood natural law in the fact that

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our rights to speak, to assemble, to practice our faith,

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and associate with whom we want, the right to life,

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the right to defend ourselves and our families, the right

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to be secure in our property in persons, these rights

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didn't originate from the government. So no, Tim Kaine, the

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idea that our rights come from God isn't. What's extremely troubling.

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What's troubling is that a prominent US senator from the

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other major political party in this country thinks the government

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and lawmakers like himself give us our rights. They don't.

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But you know, it's really no wonder that people like

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Tim Kaine are so keen on taking certain rights away,

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like the right to life, the right to keep in

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bear arms, the right to call boys boys or girls girls,

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or the right to assemble with your local church even

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when there's a virus making the rounds. If rights came

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from the government, then there's no reason the government can

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can't take those rights away. But luckily they don't. I

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think a lot of this rhetoric comes from Democrats seeing

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Christian nationalism and theocracy everywhere they look. Here's a political

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reporter last year saying the same kind of nonsense as

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Tim Kane.

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Speaker 7: And the one thing that unites all of them, because

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there's many different groups orbiting Trump, but the thing that

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unites them as Christian nationalists not Christians by the way,

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because Christian nationalists is very different, is that they believe

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that our rights as Americans, as all human beings, don't

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come from any earthly authority. They don't come from Congress,

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they don't come from the Supreme Court. They come from God.

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Speaker 1: These talking points are false, they're anti Christian, they're historically illiterate,

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and they're Unamerican. And anyone who subscribes to these beliefs

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is not fit to serve an American government. And to

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take this one step further, if you're out there trashing

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Tim Kaine but also trashing faithful Christians who desire to

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see Biblical morality influence America's laws to protect God given rights,

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then you've completely missed the plot. Because neither are God

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given rights nor the laws of this country are abstractions.

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We can't treat them like they are. Sean Davis made

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this point beautifully on X Today. If our rights come

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from God, and they do, then the laws protecting those

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rights will be consistent with God's standards for human flourishing.

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And this reality just exposes the absurdity of believing that

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desiring laws that reflect Christian morality is Christian nationalism or

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Christian's wrongly pursuing power. It's ridiculous. So yes, Tim Kain

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is ignorant to think that the rights of human beings

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who are made in the image of God don't come

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from their creator. But equally ignorant are the folks who

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say that God, the source of our rights, should have

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no bearing on the laws and the policies we enact

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to secure those rights. On that incredibly light and happy note,

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that's all I have for today. Thank you so much

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for tuning into this week's episode of The Kili Cast.

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I will be right back here next week with more.

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Until then, just remember the truth thirds but it will

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feel Yeah.