Speaker 1: Oh we're on the air and welcome back. Okay, all right,
Speaker 1: doctor Robbins, we screwed that up.
Speaker 2: Welcome back.
Speaker 3: I'm Steve Rivera, welcome back to Ian the Bob Steven
Speaker 3: and you're Jay And now we have Dr Robert C.
Speaker 3: Robbins right after right off his retirement? Are we calling
Speaker 3: a retirement, Doctor Robbins.
Speaker 4: I'm calling it a transition to the next great adventure.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 3: I don't even know what my transition is gonna be.
Speaker 3: But great to have you. A doctor doesn't call you coach,
Speaker 3: But thanks for joining us. We love having you in
Speaker 3: the past and now we have you today.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So uh, doctor Robbins.
Speaker 1: We really wanted to know, as we said, we're going
Speaker 1: to stick to sports, but we I have to have
Speaker 1: to ask you just your some of your final thoughts
Speaker 1: on all that you went through as president of the
Speaker 1: University of Arizona and everything that happened with the Pac
Speaker 1: twelve and in some sort of a little box that
Speaker 1: you how are you going to think about this? I
Speaker 1: guess is a way to ask you going forward in
Speaker 1: terms of where we wound up.
Speaker 4: Well, I chose to come to Arizona and big part
Speaker 4: because obviously it's a great institution, great professors, great staff, students,
Speaker 4: huge research initiatives, not one but two medical schools. But
Speaker 4: a lot of it was to get back to the
Speaker 4: PAC twelve because I spent you know, twenty three years
Speaker 4: at Stamford and I just absolutely loved the PAC twelve.
Speaker 4: And I guess my final parting thoughts on it is
Speaker 4: one of sadness. But as you know, as doctor SEUs says,
Speaker 4: don't don't cry because it's over, Smile because it happened.
Speaker 4: And I think that's I mean, just those iconic matchups
Speaker 4: and the rivalries. But on the flip side, living the
Speaker 4: living life through the windshield not the rear view mirror.
Speaker 5: I could not be more excited about the Big Twelve.
Speaker 4: I think University of Arizona fits in great with the
Speaker 4: Big twelve. And how exciting I mean the rivalries in
Speaker 4: basketball with Kansas and Taylor. I mean, you know, everything
Speaker 4: that goes on in the with Big twelve basketball, it's
Speaker 4: playing out right now midway through the season. In football,
Speaker 4: I think it's one of the most competitive leagues of
Speaker 4: the major power for league. But yeah, sadness, and you know,
Speaker 4: I missed the PAC twelve. You know, in my ideal world,
Speaker 4: we would have reconstitution of some sort of super conference
Speaker 4: and re align all the geographic rivalries. You know, have
Speaker 4: a North, South, East, West have you know whatever it is,
Speaker 4: sixteen teams in each one, and you reconstitute those geographic rivalries.
Speaker 3: So you're you're president, But are you going to be
Speaker 3: able to with the games? Because let me tell you,
Speaker 3: if you're a UA basketball fan over the years, and
Speaker 3: I've kind of criticized the schedule in the past, you
Speaker 3: you want to be part of this program because you're
Speaker 3: gonna have some great opponents coming in and a great
Speaker 3: opponent streat that could be seen all the whole year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you it's.
Speaker 4: Probably the most competitive league in the country in terms
Speaker 4: of basketball and on any given night, and they seem
Speaker 4: to play almost every night of the week. You know,
Speaker 4: you may play on Tuesday and you know, Faradi or whatever,
Speaker 4: it's gonna.
Speaker 5: Be really, really exciting. And as you know better than
Speaker 5: I do, McHale.
Speaker 4: Is one of the most electric places in the country
Speaker 4: to play basketball. Uh, not only for men, but you know,
Speaker 4: coach Barnes has got it going on leading the Pac twelve.
Speaker 5: At the end and attendance.
Speaker 4: So I'm so excited for all of our fans in
Speaker 4: this this new journ that we're on with the Big twelve,
Speaker 4: and I think it's going to be great.
Speaker 1: Okay, So I'm gonna ask you you. I'm this sort
Speaker 1: of putting you on the spot, right you. You You
Speaker 1: mentioned you were a lot of years at Stanford. You
Speaker 1: you you were in the University of Texas system. You're
Speaker 1: from Mississippi. You went to Mississippi. Uh, you were at
Speaker 1: the University of Arizona. Who You're the biggest fan of.
Speaker 4: Wildcat for Life?
Speaker 5: Run Wildcat for Life? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 4: I mean, there's nothing like having the incredible honor and
Speaker 4: privilege to lead such a great university.
Speaker 5: I will be a Wildcat for life. We just got
Speaker 5: a bet on it.
Speaker 3: We just got a call from Mississippi, someone who wants
Speaker 3: to talk to you.
Speaker 4: They know, you know, I've talked to Mississippi about going on.
Speaker 5: You know you can.
Speaker 4: It's almost impossible to go home, if you know. And
Speaker 4: it's such such a great institution. And I'm really excited
Speaker 4: about our new president. Uh, doctor Garmela. He's gonna be
Speaker 4: He's gonna do great things at the University because it's
Speaker 4: just such a great play.
Speaker 3: We're gonna have you for a while here today. Thanks
Speaker 3: for doing this. I'm gonna ask you to pick your
Speaker 3: favorite child here. Uh and maybe a great moment that
Speaker 3: you saw you were at a number of things home
Speaker 3: and away, just kind of maybe fond memory of a
Speaker 3: game or two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that's a that is a tough one.
Speaker 4: You're putting me on the spot. It's sort of which
Speaker 4: one of your children do you love the most, the
Speaker 4: ones who needs you the most at the time. But
Speaker 4: as I look back, there's so many great things that
Speaker 4: you know, the magical run of last year with ten
Speaker 4: wins and the and the win in the Alamobowle.
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna tell.
Speaker 4: You, you know, bringing Stanford back up again, uh Ari McDonald
Speaker 4: with three players hanging all over her, hits the iron.
Speaker 5: Yeah that shot goes down. Yeah, shot heard around the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great.
Speaker 4: Bars their first national championship. So that was probably as
Speaker 4: exciting as anything I saw, because look, nobody gave us
Speaker 4: a shot to get past huge coon and and all
Speaker 4: the people we had.
Speaker 5: To beat to get to Stanford in that championship game.
Speaker 4: It was in COVID, so it wasn't as exciting as
Speaker 4: it could have been. But yeah, that's probably. If I
Speaker 4: had to say one moment in my seven and a
Speaker 4: half years, it's when Ari when I saw that ball,
Speaker 4: I said, that thing has got a chance.
Speaker 5: To go down, and if it goes down, the rest
Speaker 5: is history.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no kidding, no, kiddy, great, great, Okay, how much
Speaker 6: how much are you going to miss because you're look,
Speaker 6: you're still gonna be a fan and all those kinds
Speaker 6: of things, but you're not intimately involved, and you're not
Speaker 6: you know, you're not pulling some of the strings and
Speaker 6: and you know all those things with with sports at
Speaker 6: Arizona or any of the other places you worked at.
Speaker 2: Are you going to miss that part of it?
Speaker 1: Or are you gonna enjoy going back and just being
Speaker 1: a regular fan like maybe the rest of us.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm you know, it's like having a grandchild. I'm
Speaker 5: gonna get to.
Speaker 4: Have all the benefits of being a fan, but you know,
Speaker 4: none of the responsibility.
Speaker 5: I will miss it greatly.
Speaker 4: I will absolutely miss the grind of every day. I mean,
Speaker 4: you know, it was the big, biggest privilege of my
Speaker 4: life to serve the university and I'm looking forward to
Speaker 4: maybe another place that.
Speaker 5: Will value me and and want my talents.
Speaker 4: And because I can guarantee you wherever I go next,
Speaker 4: I will do it one thousand percent twenty five eight
Speaker 4: every minute of every day. So I will miss it.
Speaker 4: And I've talked to a lot of people who transition
Speaker 4: out of these jobs, and you know, it's it's like, Wow,
Speaker 4: what am I going to do today? So I'm gonna
Speaker 4: take some time and probably go to a policy institute
Speaker 4: for a year or so and do some writing and
Speaker 4: do some reflecting, and probably focus in on higher education policy,
Speaker 4: healthcare policy. And certainly I could spend all of my
Speaker 4: time just writing about and talking about the incredible chaos
Speaker 4: that is intercollegiate athletics.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no question, let me.
Speaker 3: I had Rock in the Rose on yesterday, and we've
Speaker 3: talked about it, Jay and I and probably with you
Speaker 3: one of the last times you were here. The nineties
Speaker 3: were fantastic for UA athletics. They did a lot of
Speaker 3: great things, won a national title, played very well. But
Speaker 3: I think they're coming back to that point where you've
Speaker 3: left it, if you've left it in a great spot.
Speaker 3: They're competitive, they have a chance to win national titles
Speaker 3: here and there.
Speaker 2: Do you feel that way? And have you heard that before?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 5: I definitely feel that way.
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, Desiree read Francoist happens to be
Speaker 4: a reigning National ad of the Year, and I think
Speaker 4: she's got everything it takes to uh to have all
Speaker 4: of our programs, all of our programs compete for championships
Speaker 4: at the highest level. We've got great coaches, Coach Brennan
Speaker 4: coming in when we needed him to.
Speaker 5: Come back home. We've got Tommy Lloyd.
Speaker 4: We've got a d At Barnes who's just one of
Speaker 4: the top women's basketball coaches, Clancy.
Speaker 5: And the tennis program, I mean they're just going great.
Speaker 4: The golf program, Chip Hill, and the baseball program, gymnastic swimming.
Speaker 4: I mean it is it is such a great time
Speaker 4: to be a Wildcat and the future looks bright and
Speaker 4: I couldn't be more proud of where things are right now.
Speaker 4: And I think we're gonna see great things out of
Speaker 4: Arizona Athletics. Uh, not only this year, because I think
Speaker 4: you know, for for one or two plays here or there,
Speaker 4: football team could be under beat it now. Kansas date
Speaker 4: got the best of us on the road tough place
Speaker 4: to play, but I thought we had Texas Tech the
Speaker 4: other night.
Speaker 3: Can I ask a real question? So we asked a figure.
Speaker 3: Sports figures all the time. You know, Francona and Kerr.
Speaker 3: When you go to watch a game when it's not
Speaker 3: your team you're watching, what do you look at? And
Speaker 3: they say different things. Of course, you know the former players.
Speaker 3: When you go to the game, do you go for
Speaker 3: entertainment or do you watch the coach? Do you watch
Speaker 3: the plays and do you dissect anything?
Speaker 8: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I watch it all, but I'm you know, I'm obviously
Speaker 4: not an expert, but I like to see competitive games.
Speaker 4: I want to see it come down to that last
Speaker 4: play every time. And it doesn't matter what sport it is,
Speaker 4: as long as you know. I found myself at last
Speaker 4: bring watching the National Women's Lacrosse Championship and it was
Speaker 4: you know, I was on the edge of my seat.
Speaker 8: It is.
Speaker 5: You know, I've always said that athletics and.
Speaker 4: The arts or the front courches of our university, and
Speaker 4: it provides entertainment and engagement with our communities. And you know, frankly,
Speaker 4: uh athletics, if you have winning traditional programs and you
Speaker 4: win championships, it is one of the greatest recruiters for
Speaker 4: students from all over the country. We've got lots of UH,
Speaker 4: lots of options, and you know they're going to come
Speaker 4: first and foremost for our professors in the UH in
Speaker 4: the great programs we have. But they want to see athletics,
Speaker 4: they want to go to plays, they want to go
Speaker 4: to museums. So I'm I'm really big on UH whatever
Speaker 4: university did. If they're doing athletics and the arts, well,
Speaker 4: that means they're connecting well with their community and providing
Speaker 4: that entertainment.
Speaker 1: Okay, so we've UH, you've talked about your athletic past.
Speaker 1: You were a quarterback in junior college. You I think,
Speaker 1: as I recall, you told me once you wanted to
Speaker 1: be the next Archie Manning. What what you know? Where
Speaker 1: did your love for sports come from? And and and
Speaker 1: how you know, how did you grow up with it?
Speaker 4: Well, I think you know, as I've said before, I
Speaker 4: I you know, was fortunate to be raised by my
Speaker 4: maternal grandparents on this little bitty UH Junior college. It's
Speaker 4: still called Jones Junior College to this day. It's not
Speaker 4: made the switch. All the other community colleges are now
Speaker 4: called community colleges in the state of Mississippi most everywhere else,
Speaker 4: but I grew up on the Jones Junior College campus
Speaker 4: and I used to my grandfather was a massive professor,
Speaker 4: and I used to sit in a tree and watch
Speaker 4: my next door neighbor give biology lectures and chemistry lectures
Speaker 4: and all this stuff.
Speaker 5: But I ran around this little campus.
Speaker 4: We've had about fifteen hundred students, by the way, and
Speaker 4: in nineteen sixty eight, they won the National Junior College
Speaker 4: Football Championship, and I just knew I was out of practice.
Speaker 5: Every day. I ran wild on the campus.
Speaker 4: And I think just growing up every day and competing,
Speaker 4: because you know, if you're growing up in a little
Speaker 4: bitty town in Mississippi, there's not a lot to do,
Speaker 4: but sports is always there.
Speaker 5: And I think it.
Speaker 4: Helps you build discipline, teamwork, communication, and it gives you
Speaker 4: goals and working hard. So I just loved every aspect
Speaker 4: of it. And you know, I sometimes it quate. You know,
Speaker 4: you wanted me as your heart surgeon because I was
Speaker 4: going to compete to the to the final minute to
Speaker 4: do everything I could to make sure that you not
Speaker 4: only survived, but you thrived and did well.
Speaker 5: After the operations job.
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Speaker 4: Uh, well, I think, as I was saying earlier, there
Speaker 4: was a great coach at that little junior college that
Speaker 4: I grew up on the campus named Sam's Cooley. So
Speaker 4: I got the bug watching him and he inspired me.
Speaker 4: And then uh there was a basketball coach by the
Speaker 4: name of A. B.
Speaker 5: Howard, and the two of them got me going.
Speaker 4: But really it was my high school football coach, coach
Speaker 4: Sonny Farrah, who's still alive and I stay in touch with.
Speaker 4: And then I had a basketball coach by the name
Speaker 4: of William Holmes Tullett coach. Tullet smoked unfiltered Pall Mall cigarette.
Speaker 4: He was a former Marine drill sergeant and he had
Speaker 4: a flat top and I was I would have run
Speaker 4: through a brick wall for the guy, that's how motivating
Speaker 4: he was. Then, of course I went on to have
Speaker 4: mentors Dodtor Shumway, who was a renowned heart surgeon at Stanford,
Speaker 4: and doctor Guidon and doctor Hardy from my Mississippi days,
Speaker 4: who are world famous mentors.
Speaker 5: I've lived an.
Speaker 4: Incredibly charmed life and had great mentors, and I've tried
Speaker 4: to pay that forward by serving as a mentor to
Speaker 4: others who.
Speaker 1: Any pro ass aleets. You know, Pete Rose passed away
Speaker 1: this last week. They've been you know, we've had some
Speaker 1: number of athletes that have Louis Tian just passed.
Speaker 2: Another guy that you know who didn't mimic his wind up.
Speaker 1: When we were kids, some of the pro athletes that
Speaker 1: you either were a fan of or you think about,
Speaker 1: or maybe the way they did things or played or
Speaker 1: whatever might might have influenced you.
Speaker 4: Well, Dizney Dean grew up about forty miles or so
Speaker 4: south of me, and you know, my little town, we
Speaker 4: only had one television affiliate. It was NBC and Dizzey
Speaker 4: Dean used to do. Of course, I was too young
Speaker 4: to Knowy when he played. He and his brother actually
Speaker 4: both were really good players, but he used to do
Speaker 4: the uh it's seeing the wall bass cannonball on the
Speaker 4: game of the week in baseball. So I grew up
Speaker 4: as a Yankees fan because they were on TV every Saturday,
Speaker 4: and so Mickey Mantle and Roger Merris and Whitey Ford,
Speaker 4: Yogi bearra those are all the big Yankees. And then,
Speaker 4: unfortunately for me, I never got to see the NFL.
Speaker 4: I got to see the AFL because my affiliate, the
Speaker 4: NBC affiliate, televised CFL games. So I grew up an
Speaker 4: Oakland Raiders fan. But I loved I loved Joe Nama.
Speaker 4: He was my favorite player sort of in my formative years.
Speaker 4: And then later in my life when I moved to Stanford,
Speaker 4: I got to spend so much time with Joe Montana
Speaker 4: and Ronnie Lott and a lot of the forty nine ers.
Speaker 4: Jerry Rice is from a little town in Mississippi and
Speaker 4: his son and my son played wide receiver on the
Speaker 4: same high school football team, So I got to hang
Speaker 4: out with those guys and you know, just be be
Speaker 4: around great And Steve Young was another one that was
Speaker 4: He was actually on the Stamford Hospital board when I
Speaker 4: was at Stamford. So a lot of a lot of
Speaker 4: great professional athletes, and of course all the U of
Speaker 4: A guys, all the basketball players like Steve Kerr and
Speaker 4: and all the all the great Arizona basketball players that
Speaker 4: I've got to hang out with over the years.
Speaker 2: Then was just tremendous, right right, did so? Did you?
Speaker 3: There's a ZNATA saying that you don't want to meet
Speaker 3: your heroes because you know they find out they're actually human.
Speaker 3: Did you ever meet one of those guys?
Speaker 2: And one? That's two?
Speaker 3: And that's one question, then two, I guess you and
Speaker 3: Ken Drea must have had some great conversations about your Yankees.
Speaker 4: Yeah, oh far sure, because you know you you either
Speaker 4: you either love or hate the Yang and Ken Dre.
Speaker 4: I've been to the Running Man. It's pretty I don't
Speaker 4: know if you've ever been over to his house, but
Speaker 4: it's in president all the Yankee stuff he's got there. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I so, I never I've yet, I've yet to uh
Speaker 4: meet Joe Namas, But I will maybe during this year.
Speaker 4: I'll go meet to a lot of people. But I finally,
Speaker 4: after all of these years, UH met Archie and Olivia
Speaker 4: Manning uh at the Super Bowl when it was in
Speaker 4: Phoenix last year. Okay, you know, yeah, such such a
Speaker 4: great honor to meet him. And you know, he had
Speaker 4: a he had a tough pro career because you know,
Speaker 4: he wasn't with great teams and he had his thyroid
Speaker 4: issue and all this stuff.
Speaker 5: But I'm telling you, in college he was the real deal.
Speaker 4: He could pro, he could run, He got drafted in
Speaker 4: the first round for Major League Baseball. He was the
Speaker 4: heck of a of a shortstop. So that was an
Speaker 4: honor to finally meet him. But I'm still chasing down
Speaker 4: some guys I want to meet. I've got I got
Speaker 4: Charles Barkley.
Speaker 2: On my list.
Speaker 4: I want to play golf with him because I think
Speaker 4: he would be an incredibly fun guy. Uh still haven't
Speaker 4: met Michael Jordan's but all those forty nine ers. Of course,
Speaker 4: I got to play golf with him and be around
Speaker 4: them a lot.
Speaker 2: Nice, very cool, pretty cool.
Speaker 1: No, that's yeah, no, that's I mean to you know,
Speaker 1: to get to meet those guys. Got to be has
Speaker 1: got to be tremendous. I you know, I'm I'm the
Speaker 1: Dodger fan. So you're talking about you either hate or
Speaker 1: love the Yankees. Okay, I hate and I hate. They're
Speaker 1: on right now. No, no, they're not all right now.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be on in a few minutes. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: hate him in an hour. So that's all I can do.
Speaker 4: So let me give you, Let me give you a quick,
Speaker 4: give you one quick.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: You know, as you well know, after all these years,
Speaker 4: I'm very good at telling UH short stories, making them long,
Speaker 4: but not making long story short. But I'll do my best.
Speaker 4: So I spent two years doing UH research at the
Speaker 4: National Institute of Health, and we had a big meeting
Speaker 4: in San Francisco, and our boss took us to San
Speaker 4: Francisco to this meeting and he arranged for us to
Speaker 4: go out to dinner.
Speaker 5: Now, the week before.
Speaker 4: UH we were going on this trip, I had a
Speaker 4: kidney stone and I was in the hospital for five years,
Speaker 4: five days and couldn't pass the thing. And then finally
Speaker 4: on Saturday before I was supposed to leave on Sunday,
Speaker 4: I passed the thing. Get on the plane, get there,
Speaker 4: go to the hotel, go out to dinner. Who do
Speaker 4: we have dinner with? He had arranged for the five
Speaker 4: of us to have dinner with Barbara Eden. I dream
Speaker 4: of Genie and Tommy Lasorda.
Speaker 13: H you want to talk about storyteller. I guess he was.
Speaker 4: Just unbelievable storyteller and so just so gracious with his time.
Speaker 4: I mean we were he would didn't know who we are.
Speaker 4: But all these years later, I still remember that.
Speaker 1: You're gonna laugh at this because he was that guy.
Speaker 1: And again short story, I was looking for a motivational
Speaker 1: speaker for for my company when I was a two
Speaker 1: sound electric and I saw Tommy on a on a
Speaker 1: on a speakers bureau right and I said, I'm a
Speaker 1: Dodger fan. I'll still get Tommy over here. I called
Speaker 1: the phone number. He answered the phone. Yeah, he goes,
Speaker 1: I believe it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: He goes, Hello, this is Tommy. And I'm like, Tommy Lasorda.
Speaker 1: He goes, yeah, what can I do for you? I'm
Speaker 1: talking to Tommy Lasorda just called the number that was
Speaker 1: on the website.
Speaker 13: It was crazy, but he's that guy.
Speaker 1: He would come down here for the when Joe Garrett
Speaker 1: Yola was running the pro am down here for the
Speaker 1: golf tournament. He would come down here every year and
Speaker 1: it was great you'd get to see him and just
Speaker 1: one of those guys with that.
Speaker 2: Let me let me transition to another. Tommy.
Speaker 9: Uh.
Speaker 3: I think that you you made a heck of a
Speaker 3: selection in Tommy Lloyd, just one of those what did
Speaker 3: you see in him?
Speaker 2: One and two? You hired him at the perfect time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I you know, I we were going through all
Speaker 4: this ncuble A stuff and uh, you know now things
Speaker 4: have changed. I mean just think about it. Youd gone back,
Speaker 4: you know, ten years ago in the.
Speaker 5: Nil world that we live in now.
Speaker 4: And and of course it turned out that uh you know,
Speaker 4: Coach Miller. Uh, basically there was no real punishment. I mean,
Speaker 4: we got a few things that we.
Speaker 5: Were cited for.
Speaker 4: But when I was looking around, uh, people told me,
Speaker 4: you know, there here are the programs that have never
Speaker 4: really been in trouble with the nc double A.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 4: There was Mike Bray at Notre Dame. He was never
Speaker 4: going to leave Notre Dame.
Speaker 5: There was Mark Feugh at Gonzaga, he wasn't going to
Speaker 5: leave Gonzaga. There was.
Speaker 4: There was John Bline at Michigan, but he quit because
Speaker 4: he said, I'm not going to try to compete with
Speaker 4: guys who are paying all the players. And then, uh,
Speaker 4: there was Tony Bennett at Virginia and he just won.
Speaker 5: A national championship.
Speaker 4: I know we had a chance with Tony because is
Speaker 4: uh coach Olsen knew his father. They were very tight,
Speaker 4: and Coach Olsen said, you know, if you ever need
Speaker 4: a help, we need to get Tommy back here one day,
Speaker 4: and all.
Speaker 5: That stuff, or Tony Bennett. So I struck out with
Speaker 5: all those.
Speaker 4: So then I said, well, if we can't get one
Speaker 4: of those four, why don't we go after their top assistant.
Speaker 4: And clearly Tommy Lloyd was the top assistant of the
Speaker 4: top assistant. And I think you would have stayed it
Speaker 4: Gonzaga until coach you decided to retire. But there was
Speaker 4: one program, one program he would have left Gonzaga for,
Speaker 4: and it was Arizona.
Speaker 5: And how lucky are we?
Speaker 3: No, you're right, and he said that yeah, I mean
Speaker 3: he said that there was only one program.
Speaker 1: Incredibly incredibly lucky. Why why has he been able to
Speaker 1: not even lose a step?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: In fact, he's taking the program, you know, a little
Speaker 1: further than than than where it was without without any
Speaker 1: kind of a step back. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I'm from from day one, this thing was going forward.
Speaker 1: There was no there wasn't a transition. There wasn't a
Speaker 1: transitional year or anything like that. What about his personality
Speaker 1: or his style or whatever you want to call it
Speaker 1: fits so well that this thing just kept going going
Speaker 1: down the road.
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's such a great tradition and history. Uh,
Speaker 4: they're the fans are going to come out and support
Speaker 4: the coach. But you're right, you know he he inherited
Speaker 4: some good players from Coach Miller, but he also put
Speaker 4: the right pieces around. And you know Tommy, I think
Speaker 4: you know, he'd been doing it for twenty years. He's
Speaker 4: he I'm assuming the way it worked out is that
Speaker 4: Tommy was on the road all the time, and you know,
Speaker 4: his prowess in the international recruiting arena is legendary and
Speaker 4: and I think you know he would bring them all
Speaker 4: in and work them and get him there, and Coach
Speaker 4: Few was the closer. So I think that recruiting, recruiting, recruiting,
Speaker 4: you you got to have the the gym's and the
Speaker 4: Joe's Uh, you know, the ex's and oh's are important, but.
Speaker 5: She's got to have great players.
Speaker 4: And you know, great players will make coaches look great
Speaker 4: because they'll win.
Speaker 1: Okay, Steve has asked me this, so I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask you this. Does he win a national championship in
Speaker 1: the next five years? Does he win more than one? When?
Speaker 1: How how long does it take him to win two?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 5: You know yeh.
Speaker 4: Linus Pauling was a guy at Stanford who won the
Speaker 4: Nobel Prize for his work in science, and then he
Speaker 4: won a Nobel Peace Prize as well, and I got
Speaker 4: to take.
Speaker 5: Care of him, you know, medically. Uh, and you know
Speaker 5: he had. He was famous for saying, I've given.
Speaker 4: Up on predicting the future because nobody can predict it.
Speaker 4: So it's an unanswerable question, you know, it's a you know,
Speaker 4: Bright Harper thing.
Speaker 5: You know, Uh, you just don't you don't know.
Speaker 4: So I actually think that, I really really thought that
Speaker 4: in his first year. I would have not been surprised
Speaker 4: if he had if he'd have gone all the way
Speaker 4: and won it in that first year. It is so
Speaker 4: hard to win a regular season game, much less a
Speaker 4: tournament game. But I think he has definitely got the
Speaker 4: right stuff to win multiple national championships at Arizon. And
Speaker 4: you know, I always say every year when I got
Speaker 4: to privilege to speak to the athletics, the whole department.
Speaker 4: You know, I assume every coach and every player in
Speaker 4: every sport at the start of the year, their goals
Speaker 4: aren't well, we need to have a winning record, we
Speaker 4: need to we need to win our division, we need
Speaker 4: to win the conference.
Speaker 5: I start out with every year, we're going to win
Speaker 5: the national championship.
Speaker 4: I don't care what spoard it is or who it is.
Speaker 4: That's the mindset. And so that puts a lot of
Speaker 4: pressure on and expectations on the coaches, the players.
Speaker 5: And all that.
Speaker 4: But the fact is, you never line up to lose
Speaker 4: a game. Nobody's ever going out there thinking we're going
Speaker 4: to lose. So I hope that coach Lloyd wins multiple
Speaker 4: national championships, and I want him to do it in
Speaker 4: my lifetime.
Speaker 5: So you know, he's got to get going back.
Speaker 2: So now let me ask you.
Speaker 3: We only have a couple of minutes a doctor, so
Speaker 3: I'm gonna ask you the twenty two million dollar question. Now,
Speaker 3: do you ever think we're going to get this nil
Speaker 3: transport portal all the stuff that we're going through. Now,
Speaker 3: I'm sixty j sixty five. I don't know how old
Speaker 3: you are, but you've seen it all.
Speaker 2: Do we get this thing fixed.
Speaker 4: We'll get it fixed. It's gonna take uh you know,
Speaker 4: it's it's white coach Saban. Get with the process. There's
Speaker 4: got to be a process. And I think that, you know,
Speaker 4: that's why I'm excited about having a couple of months
Speaker 4: to be able to to really uh write some I
Speaker 4: hope uh important and meaningful papers about what my thoughts
Speaker 4: are on those three areas that I talked to you about.
Speaker 4: But I I think there's a pathway forward to to
Speaker 4: getting this all resolved. It's it's part of a necessity
Speaker 4: because the players need to be compensated. I mean, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a multi billion dollar business and in the players.
Speaker 4: You know, students can make money being TikTok influencers, they
Speaker 4: can make money, uh starting a company, they can invent offware,
Speaker 4: all the stuff. And I think, uh, you know, I
Speaker 4: held out for a long long time, and I knew
Speaker 4: that the players needed a stiphen of some sort. But
Speaker 4: now that the genies out of the bottle, the horses
Speaker 4: out of the barn, trains left the station. Uh, you're
Speaker 4: not putting it back. And I think we're going to
Speaker 4: have some pretty rapid escalation in the in the UH
Speaker 4: the how college athletics is UH is done. And you know,
Speaker 4: the one thing that I know from being on Capitol Hill,
Speaker 4: a lot the legislators say, we want the student athletes
Speaker 4: to have all the benefits and rights of being an employee.
Speaker 5: We just don't want them to be an employee.
Speaker 4: You know, it's not a very popular thing to say,
Speaker 4: but I think that probably we're headed towards some sort
Speaker 4: of employment. I mean, we have graduates stud to our
Speaker 4: employees at the university today. We even employee you know,
Speaker 4: thousands of undergraduates.
Speaker 5: So I think that's probably where we're headed.
Speaker 4: If we ever get past that point, then I think
Speaker 4: things will all all ALIGNE well.
Speaker 3: Doctor Robbins, we really appreciate you coming on now. You now,
Speaker 3: let you're out of the business for a little while.
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Speaker 2: I will.
Speaker 5: So I lost the first one.
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Speaker 5: It's like the library.
Speaker 4: We're gonna give you a book free Amnesty day. Just
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Speaker 4: it because you know, so Jolson was so great and
Speaker 4: your book was really great. But I really appreciate you
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Speaker 4: but I have started it and I look forward to
Speaker 4: reading that book and many more in the coming month.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so joy your time.
Speaker 13: Thank you, doctor Robins. We do appreciate it, all.
Speaker 4: Right, thank you for having me on your program, and
Speaker 4: beare down to go.
Speaker 2: Cat. I appreciate it. Thank you.
Speaker 3: That was fun. That was a lot of fun. Thank
Speaker 3: you very much. Let's take the break because we're over.
Speaker 3: But there was a lot of fun. That was fun.
Speaker 13: We'll be right back. We'll break some of that down.
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Speaker 9: This is I on the Ball with Steve Rivera on
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Speaker 3: Hey, welcome back to you on the ball here on
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Speaker 2: On STI Rivero.
Speaker 3: Akay. Well, in fact that we're not back the time
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Speaker 2: check it out.
Speaker 1: It's first of all, it's a very cool place. It's
Speaker 1: getting busy. It's getting busy. There's an NFL game coming
Speaker 1: up at about five p fifteen. Uh, you've got the
Speaker 1: Tigers Indians game. God, I keep calling the Tigers Guardians game,
Speaker 1: which just got tied up to two on a on
Speaker 1: a homer.
Speaker 13: Uh there it's two two in the bottom of the fifth.
Speaker 2: Uh the Uh.
Speaker 1: The Royals Yankees game is going to start here, I
Speaker 1: believe in about fifteen minutes.
Speaker 3: So we're going to have dinner party after this. But
Speaker 3: this is a perfect place to come and watch three.
Speaker 3: It's a nice football game, the end of this game.
Speaker 13: And then and then the baseball game, and to throw
Speaker 13: a little some sum on it.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if there's have TV's behind this,
Speaker 3: but yeah, there's some there.
Speaker 2: We're underneath and overhead.
Speaker 3: But there's there's there's eighteen twenty, probably twenty televisions in here,
Speaker 3: including one giant screen, a couple of giant screens.
Speaker 1: We've got the we've got the baseball game on in
Speaker 1: front of us. They've got betting machines if you're a
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Speaker 1: have a lot of fun.
Speaker 13: Maybe we'll put you on the air.
Speaker 3: It was great to have doctor Robbinson a lot of
Speaker 3: good stuff that we hadn't talked to him about before,
Speaker 3: just about him, but you know, the nil stuff, and
Speaker 3: you asking him what he's up to now, and.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it was encouraging for him to say that
Speaker 1: it can be fixed, right, because that's hard to see.
Speaker 1: It's really hard to see how they're ever going to
Speaker 1: get their arms round this. Now you've got we heard
Speaker 1: that there's this proposal that this Disney proposal, nine billion
Speaker 1: dollar proposal to form a seventy team super conference. But
Speaker 1: it's a three tiered conference that we heard about it
Speaker 1: on podcasts, So there's there's three tiers to it. So
Speaker 1: whichever tier you're in determines how much you get paid
Speaker 1: out of the TV money and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: So Tier one is sixteen teams, Tier two is thirty no,
Speaker 1: not twenty four teams, and tier three is thirty two
Speaker 1: teams something like that, and that you know, there's relegation,
Speaker 1: you move up and down. But those seventy teams only
Speaker 1: play each other, right, so basically group of five gets
Speaker 1: squeezed out. But you don't have Alabama playing Savannah State,
Speaker 1: you know, in November, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: That list.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's bactically the teams that are in the
Speaker 1: group of four right now. So Arizona's in that, but
Speaker 1: Arizona's probably in that bottom tier right and has to
Speaker 1: work its way.
Speaker 13: And here's the funny thing is that they how they
Speaker 13: were talking about it.
Speaker 1: It's saying in the NFL, right, if your team sucks,
Speaker 1: you get the first round pick.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 13: In this model, if your team.
Speaker 1: Sucks, you're still you stay at the bottom of the
Speaker 1: Teams that are good make more money therefore have more
Speaker 1: resources and more ability to stay up there.
Speaker 2: Well, the rich continue to get right, the rich get.
Speaker 1: Richer, and the poor just kind of stay where they
Speaker 1: are so like it is now kind of like it
Speaker 1: is now so and that's and that's their justification for
Speaker 1: doing this. It's like this now we're all we're saying,
Speaker 1: is it's going to be these seventy teams and those
Speaker 1: seventy teams all play each other. And maybe that's where
Speaker 1: you come back to some of the regional rivalries and
Speaker 1: and and scheduling and all that kind of stuff. But
Speaker 1: it's it's like there's they're they're gonna put like a
Speaker 1: nine billion dollar UH investment fund or something like that.
Speaker 13: So I think I think he said I think said it.
Speaker 2: Was a Disney They're having a hard time.
Speaker 13: On ESPN, right, Yeah, well yeah, they just raised the
Speaker 13: rates of Disneyland.
Speaker 3: I heard so anyway closed in Orlando. So so, no,
Speaker 3: it's great to have him. I wanted to throw this
Speaker 3: at you, Jay. We did no breaking news. But I'm
Speaker 3: not sure you've seen the last tweet from Evan Mayatawa.
Speaker 3: One of our guys have him on next week. He
Speaker 3: has his top ten out UH Houston used to number one,
Speaker 3: used to number one, Iowa State, Kansas. There was no
Speaker 3: Baylor in the top Ten's who's who's uh Houston number one,
Speaker 3: Who's number who's the second best? Big twelve? I think
Speaker 3: it's obvious. Probably the title winner Kansas. Yeah, there's seven. No, No,
Speaker 3: I was State six. I'm sorry, I was stayed six.
Speaker 3: Ten to seven, Arizona eight, Baylor ten, Baylor ten. That's
Speaker 3: how difficult it's gonna be, gonna be hard, it's gonna
Speaker 3: be You finished fourth. And we've talked about this a
Speaker 3: lot in the last couple of weeks. Will you've begune, Uh,
Speaker 3: They're gonna get their butt kicked, but they're still gonna
Speaker 3: be better for it.
Speaker 13: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Well, will they beat up? Be beat up for it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Well, you'd like to think that they're gonna be that
Speaker 1: they're gonna be. We're gonna prepare them a whole lot
Speaker 1: more for the for the tournament, which is in the end,
Speaker 1: how you measure Arizona basketball, Right, how'd you do in
Speaker 1: the tournament?
Speaker 3: And that's probably the case of every place. Now, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know it depends if you go Sweet sixteen and
Speaker 3: guess what Sweet sixteen?
Speaker 2: Now for Arizona's whole hum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Steve, I mean every year from the year that
Speaker 1: I first started covering basketball, which was nineteen eighty six
Speaker 1: eighty seven season, and even before that, because I was
Speaker 1: a fan every year you just felt packed, ten pack,
Speaker 1: ten packed twelve teams. We're at a disadvantage when they
Speaker 1: got to the tournament because it was a different game,
Speaker 1: a different game in the tournament, and it is.
Speaker 2: And called differently too. Well.
Speaker 3: Look, just I want to go back and say Arizona
Speaker 3: wanted title night is si Ucla in ninety five? Nothing?
Speaker 3: Nothing since? Right, all of the guns to the final
Speaker 3: fourth time where two Stanford in Arizona. But it's Ucla,
Speaker 3: you know, three straight times straight but with no with
Speaker 3: no national title.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know, I mean you remember when we
Speaker 1: had Chris Raststatter, you know, the national director of official.
Speaker 1: We said, okay, Chris, is our our games officiated differently
Speaker 1: in the different leagues. He didn't answer the question, but
Speaker 1: he laughed kind of he chuckled like he was that
Speaker 1: chuckle of yes.
Speaker 2: But I'm going to say this and it's true.
Speaker 1: I mean, I have a really vivid memory of the
Speaker 1: very first Arizona basketball road game that I covered nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty six eighty seven season. They were in in the
Speaker 1: preseason n and they opened at UNLV It was in
Speaker 1: the arena UNLV was, you know, one of the top
Speaker 1: five teams in the country was in that huge eighteen
Speaker 1: thousand seat arena, and the refs were from the Big twelve,
Speaker 1: and not five minutes into the game, the ref came
Speaker 1: over and threatened to throw Loot out of the game
Speaker 1: if he didn't shut the hell up and quick begging
Speaker 1: for fouls because they weren't calling fouls that lout was
Speaker 1: used to getting called. Yeah, yeah, and so you know,
Speaker 1: and the ref gave him this look like, shut the
Speaker 1: hell up and sit down.
Speaker 2: This is how we're calling the game.
Speaker 1: Deal with it. And it was different. And they got beat, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, and they got beat. And he knew his
Speaker 1: guys were too soft and they were that level of ball.
Speaker 3: And Arizona's continued to be the same softness that they've
Speaker 3: always had. They went on a streak in ninety seven,
Speaker 3: they had to be tougher for four or three weeks.
Speaker 2: UCLA the same thing.
Speaker 13: Remember that that team, the team had had.
Speaker 1: Grind, blue blood and blue blood, blue collar guys underneath
Speaker 1: the basket. You know, I mean, look, I thought again,
Speaker 1: I thought aj Bramlett was a little soft, but he
Speaker 1: turned out to not be and then Bennett Davidson was
Speaker 1: a banger, Eugene Edderson was a banger, even even the
Speaker 1: the guy Justin Wesson.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, you guys, uh Donel Harris, Donald Harris.
Speaker 3: Oh he's yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: You know, but I mean he during that run, yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, he went in there in in his minutes
Speaker 1: and he didn't take a lot of crap.
Speaker 2: And that's why that that's one of the reasons that
Speaker 2: team did what it did.
Speaker 3: Right, right, right well, and of course they had the perimeter.
Speaker 3: So I'm doing a story at some point here, Uh,
Speaker 3: for all sports shoots. The three some that they have
Speaker 3: with kJ and and Bradley and Love probably one of
Speaker 3: the third best three somes they've had there in a while,
Speaker 3: long time, because the other three would be, uh the
Speaker 3: other bee with Bibby Dickerson and Miles with Jat coming
Speaker 3: off the bench, and then you had the other three
Speaker 3: with Reggie, Damon and Kalid, right, and then they've had spotty,
Speaker 3: but not three right, so you know, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 1: And and you know three and and with those with
Speaker 1: those three guys, you know, kJ lewis he's not gonna
Speaker 1: take crap from anybody.
Speaker 3: No, and he's we talked about this history with the
Speaker 3: with the give oweny uh top top whatever, his top
Speaker 3: one hundred NBA guys.
Speaker 2: Do you know who the number one guy was? It was?
Speaker 3: It was It wasn't kJ Lewis, it was not Crevis,
Speaker 3: it was who else?
Speaker 2: Was there? Camery?
Speaker 3: Now right now, I can't remember what we talked about
Speaker 3: it yesterday. Uh, but Bradley was ahead of Love. Love
Speaker 3: was eighty six. Yeah, and and coming give me it's
Speaker 3: Bradley creevous Uh Caleb kJ so kJ was number two
Speaker 3: or three? Carter Bryant, Carter Carter Bryant. I'm thinking you
Speaker 3: saw the Red Blue game, Okay, I didn't just see
Speaker 3: more from him, you know what I'm saying, Bryan, know,
Speaker 3: thanks for that, Yeah, because that was he wasn't as
Speaker 3: fluid as I thought he would be.
Speaker 2: But bro, I knew top NBA prospects on that roster.
Speaker 1: That that that's one of those things for somebody to
Speaker 1: see something that you and I aren't smart enough to see, right.
Speaker 2: I mean he looked Yeah, I liked him. He looked good.
Speaker 1: He he looks you know, he's a he's a big,
Speaker 1: solid kid. Yeah, you know he moved, well, all those
Speaker 1: kinds of things. But you know, let's see what he
Speaker 1: looks like in the game when you know, when when
Speaker 1: there's another solid six foot eight guy banging around with
Speaker 1: him and he's trying to do things and the guys
Speaker 1: the guy's a six year senior.
Speaker 2: And it is pushing him around. Right, there was.
Speaker 13: Nothing to make of the uh of the uh of
Speaker 13: the Red.
Speaker 3: Blue, you know what I mean. I'm glad they didn't.
Speaker 3: Tomorrow would be the one. Oh, we'd be going up
Speaker 3: there tomorrow. I'm glad they didn't do it. Yeah, for
Speaker 3: whatever reason. Yeah, but you know, I'm glad. And it
Speaker 3: starts hearing about ten days kind of.
Speaker 13: Yeah, they've got they've got an exhibition game, so.
Speaker 3: So you'll be busy. Yeah, okay, So I'm gonna see
Speaker 3: you again in a couple of weeks. Yeah, two weeks.
Speaker 3: I'll be back back here. Maybe I'll call in after
Speaker 3: Arizona beats b y U. Okay, shut the hell, everybody shout,
Speaker 3: everybody in the hell they lose. No, I had going
Speaker 3: to hide and call you exactly exactly. Well, we're again.
Speaker 3: We're here at the casino, So Soul Sports Book will
Speaker 3: be here again.
Speaker 2: In two weeks.
Speaker 13: We appreciate you.
Speaker 2: Let's listening. Would love for you to come out.
Speaker 1: The place is starting to get a few people in
Speaker 1: to get ready for the NFL game. Here in about
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes Seahawks and forty nine or so. Thanks for
Speaker 1: being here, Steve, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: Jay. We'll see you a couple in a couple of
Speaker 2: weeks