Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What What's gonna happen? And welcome fellow truthers and conspiracy
Speaker 2: junkies to another episode of White Rabbit.
Speaker 3: I am your host, Catalyst Jones, And as it's coldest
Speaker 3: fuck outside, I'm gonna be bringing the fucking heat to
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Speaker 3: my favorite favorite motherfuckers from.
Speaker 2: Around the way, all the way from New York. We
Speaker 2: have my man Nick from the Occult Rejects. What is
Speaker 2: going on? Brother? Well?
Speaker 4: What's going on?
Speaker 3: So?
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for having me on again. It's
Speaker 1: always a blessed Thank you always, Bro.
Speaker 2: I've been so excited to show you this. I ordered
Speaker 2: online and I thought it was gonna be a fucking joke, right,
Speaker 2: but I ordered the Cloak of Invisibility. It was like
Speaker 2: a Harry Potter thing. Check this shit out, bro, watch this.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh shit, it's just a green blanket.
Speaker 3: Bro.
Speaker 4: So I was like, wait, you can do that with
Speaker 4: a green screen. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Me.
Speaker 4: For a second though, I was like, what the fuck?
Speaker 2: So what's going on? Brother? You You have been hitting
Speaker 2: the airwaves hard lately and I ended on a couple
Speaker 2: of shows with you recently and we had talked about
Speaker 2: jumping on here and talking about your magic a little
Speaker 2: bit more in depth, and I'm pretty fucking excited and
Speaker 2: I'm here.
Speaker 1: For yeah, like I like I did go. I went
Speaker 1: on a fund on the shows actually to talk about
Speaker 1: kind of like the Abyss and my experience and the eclipse,
Speaker 1: and then, uh, I had one show that kind of
Speaker 1: wanted me to like cover a little bit of like
Speaker 1: ritual stuff, and I was like, oh, yeah, so I
Speaker 1: was like thinking of that, like you know, so now
Speaker 1: I'm going to be covering that on a few shows,
Speaker 1: and I definitely wanted to, you know, talk to you
Speaker 1: about it. But yeah, it's kind of like I wanted
Speaker 1: to show. I just think for the average people especially,
Speaker 1: I mean listen, even in the occult community, depending on
Speaker 1: what they're into. The conspiracy community, I don't think they
Speaker 1: really have an idea like what actual rituals are. It's
Speaker 1: just you know, my opinion, uh, you know, or the
Speaker 1: average ones that would be used by most secret societies
Speaker 1: that they know of. If there's like a checkered floor
Speaker 1: in the place, the odds are they probably do, uh
Speaker 1: do utilize the rituals that will be covering today or
Speaker 1: at some point they do. But uh yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: well it's all cabalistic, you know, if they have a
Speaker 1: checkerboard floor, I just you know, even if people don't
Speaker 1: realize it, there is probably cabalistic you.
Speaker 2: Know, idea never never going to Baskin Robbins again.
Speaker 5: Oh fuck, I don't mean yeah right no, But like
Speaker 5: the Secret Society, if they if their temple has a
Speaker 5: checkerboard floor, odds are just like the Free Masons, the Oto,
Speaker 5: you know, Golden doing all those places.
Speaker 1: They do probably acknowledge these rituals at some point because
Speaker 1: it's tied to like the capitalistic stuff as well.
Speaker 2: I've been in a couple of Mason Masonic lodges and yeah,
Speaker 2: every single one of them had a checker checker floorboard.
Speaker 2: There was like a banquet thing where we would rent
Speaker 2: it out sometimes for things, and it was there was
Speaker 2: no checkerboard in there, but it was really just a
Speaker 2: fucking room. There was nothing to it. It's just like
Speaker 2: an office carpet, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's probably very bland, very bland.
Speaker 2: Nothing, just bare walls and gray office carpet.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everything that you would end up decorating with would
Speaker 1: probably be more specific for what you're doing, so when
Speaker 1: you're not using it might actually be very like empty
Speaker 1: and nothing to it.
Speaker 2: So I was getting into some rituals with my guests,
Speaker 2: who I was just talking with you about before we
Speaker 2: started recording yesterday, and we were talking about the very various,
Speaker 2: very various degrees of rituals that could take place, from
Speaker 2: something as simple like a ritual to help get your
Speaker 2: friend out of jail, to a massive ritual like we
Speaker 2: see on like the world stage, like the super Bowl
Speaker 2: halftime show like we just saw right and there's and
Speaker 2: he's he was talking about, we're on the lower level,
Speaker 2: the bottom level of the realms or man, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: butcher the fucking shit out of this. But anyways, when
Speaker 2: you're when you're summoning things, they have to come down
Speaker 2: to our level, and they're not always happy about it,
Speaker 2: so you're not always going to get what you want.
Speaker 2: I agree with that, And anyways, I was just throwing
Speaker 2: that out there because you were saying, you know, like
Speaker 2: a lot of the people in our circles wouldn't even
Speaker 2: know what a ritual looks like, and so they're there
Speaker 2: are the bit and I was just pointing out the
Speaker 2: variousnesses of it. You know, you could potentially say a
Speaker 2: ritual to get out of a ticket, or you know,
Speaker 2: take it as far as a massive world ritual.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's you know what that's actually it's kind
Speaker 1: of like it the way I'm trying to present this,
Speaker 1: it's in a few ways. One, I don't think people
Speaker 1: will realize how detailed they can get and how plain
Speaker 1: they are at the same time, as crazy as that sounds,
Speaker 1: there'll be a lot of associations that you can use
Speaker 1: in it to kind of set up the scene and
Speaker 1: your alter and all that stuff. But then everything else
Speaker 1: is really specific to the practitioner to where just the
Speaker 1: ritual itself you wouldn't be like, that's it. So I
Speaker 1: think that that might be you know, surprising to some people,
Speaker 1: or just to even like give people an idea like
Speaker 1: I guess what it looks like. There's just a lot
Speaker 1: of interact and not saying that there's tons of different
Speaker 1: ways to do rituals. It's just like a lot of
Speaker 1: times like I'm trying to think of a nice way
Speaker 1: to say it, and I'm not trying to even be
Speaker 1: nasty about it. You have a lot of people that
Speaker 1: have never stepped into a lodge or ever have been
Speaker 1: in a ritual telling people that this is one you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And it's just like, well, so
Speaker 1: I'll figure maybe I actually cover a few rituals so
Speaker 1: people know what they look like instead of just I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: It's just like, uh, how do you know that boxing
Speaker 1: match was a third degree Mason initiation unless you've gone.
Speaker 2: Through one, correct, But you got people making claims like that.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you how I know because there's internet sluice
Speaker 2: out there that tell me.
Speaker 4: So that's it exactly. So uh yeah.
Speaker 1: Now when it comes to doing like ritual work for me, obviously,
Speaker 1: you have to figure out what you want to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, and again, even when I was a beginner,
Speaker 1: sometimes I think I did rituals on just like basic
Speaker 1: silly stuff just to practice. Or I would do the
Speaker 1: rituals and just do meditation and I actually wouldn't do
Speaker 1: like really anything specific. But you have to, like I
Speaker 1: guess you could think of a reason or you know,
Speaker 1: an intent. What do you want to gain?
Speaker 4: How well?
Speaker 1: And then like at that point, like let's say I'm
Speaker 1: just gonna go run with this, and you know, it's
Speaker 1: just easy for people to probably understand this way. Let's
Speaker 1: say like you're something with work you want to somehow
Speaker 1: like either get promoted or make more money somehow.
Speaker 4: Let's say you're a salesman. This will make it really easy.
Speaker 1: You're a salesman, and if you want to make sales,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna think about, like, you know, how can
Speaker 1: I change that? And then you're gonna think about, like,
Speaker 1: you know, how will I approach this ritual? Do I
Speaker 1: want to do it with like elements? Do I want
Speaker 1: to do it with like cabalistic stuff, planetary stuff? Gods,
Speaker 1: you have to start like figure out like how how
Speaker 1: am I going to approach this? So, like just right there,
Speaker 1: before you even approach it, that's gonna even determine what
Speaker 1: kind of style probably will look or go with so
Speaker 1: many different ways.
Speaker 4: I mean, I could just work with planets.
Speaker 1: I could just work with zodiacs, you know, elements again,
Speaker 1: like I said before, the spheres from the Kabolatry, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go with if I'm working kind of with the
Speaker 1: sphere of the Kabolotry, which will also be associated with
Speaker 1: a planet so I'm going to kind of use a
Speaker 1: planet and goabala at the same time as I go forth,
Speaker 1: just to give examples. So I'm like, all right, because
Speaker 1: and that's how I normally did most of my stuff.
Speaker 1: I was very big into the.
Speaker 2: So that that style is more or less alignment of
Speaker 2: energies and intent, right, rather than pulling in an extra
Speaker 2: helping hand.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, well it's it's for me. It was just
Speaker 1: probably a different way that I would approach it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: in a sense I would be sometimes it's more of
Speaker 1: like I'm trying to just contact that that idea or
Speaker 1: believe it or out like that idea of God in
Speaker 1: that sense that makes any sense. Well, as I go forward,
Speaker 1: you'll probably.
Speaker 2: Understand it makes as much sense as it can to me.
Speaker 2: Like I told you a couple of weeks ago, like
Speaker 2: I'm such a nube when it comes to rituals and
Speaker 2: magic and stuff like that. I was like, the extent
Speaker 2: of my knowledge is the shit books that I've read
Speaker 2: from or Lester Crowley, which is very hard to do.
Speaker 1: Yeah, my opinion, most of his stuff will not make
Speaker 1: sense until somebody actually crosses the abyss. I think his
Speaker 1: stuff is kind of meant for people have had that experience.
Speaker 1: That's a whole on the topic. But to maybe make
Speaker 1: your question more understandable too, the reason why I'm also
Speaker 1: would be using the kabbala, I want to make this
Speaker 1: specific too. I'll be using the hermeticabala. Really, kabbala itself
Speaker 1: is much more of a traditional hebre you know, Judaism stuff.
Speaker 1: The hermetica bala is where you start bringing in all
Speaker 1: the associations. Like like I mentioned, I'd be using a planet.
Speaker 1: The reason the planet would even be associated with that
Speaker 1: sphere on the Kabalistic tree is because of the medic
Speaker 1: idea of kabbala, which now starts adding symbols. It will
Speaker 1: add plants, it will add crystals that go along with
Speaker 1: that sphere. The hermetic starts assigning much more associations to
Speaker 1: it than just a regular cabbala on its own.
Speaker 4: That's much more.
Speaker 2: Do you speak in Hebrew or any of the ancient
Speaker 2: languages when you're performing these rituals? Or is English? Just fine?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 1: Some of the ones, uh, the one that I won't
Speaker 1: be covering today, which I could come back and do
Speaker 1: on your show, I'll just be totally honest with you.
Speaker 1: I haven't done it in a long time, and since
Speaker 1: it's in Greek, that would take me a minute to
Speaker 1: actually spit out, you know, good enough for me for
Speaker 1: me to be okay with.
Speaker 4: The first two. The two that I will do on
Speaker 4: the show.
Speaker 1: The first one for sure has Hebrew in it, and
Speaker 1: I think the second one might actually too. But yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be using Hebrew in one of them.
Speaker 2: Now why is that important?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 1: Again, because there it's tied to kabalistic stuff, Like even
Speaker 1: one of them. You start off, you start off doing
Speaker 1: the cabalistic cross. So my opinion, if you're trying to
Speaker 1: touch on certain things and cabalistic ideas or schools or
Speaker 1: thought or even I'm not gonna do it on the show.
Speaker 1: But when you do these rituals, when you say certain
Speaker 1: names like the angels or god names, you're supposed to
Speaker 1: vibrate them, like to almost exhaustion. I do think there's
Speaker 1: something up with that. You might be creating an energy
Speaker 1: or something just from the sound you're creating, even within
Speaker 1: your trust. Even I think it's more of besides projecting.
Speaker 1: I do think even resonating within oneself is important.
Speaker 2: Okay, So how what are we going to get into
Speaker 2: first here? Yeah, listeners need to do a prayer.
Speaker 1: No, no, if anything that I will do when I
Speaker 1: get to it, it will be banishing. It's only just
Speaker 1: to remove like influence of energies.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 1: I'm not invoking anything, and I'm not actually really, I'm
Speaker 1: just doing the bare bones of the ritual. That's the
Speaker 1: whole other thing. And when you hear these rituals, you'll
Speaker 1: probably be like, oh wow, that's it. Yeah, that's it,
Speaker 1: because the rest is all up to the practitioner. So
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, these things are kind of you
Speaker 1: can go any way you want with them, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, It's really so specific to the person
Speaker 1: using them. But again, to get into it again, let's
Speaker 1: just say I'm a salesman. So my idea is I'll
Speaker 1: probably use mercury and I'll use hode, which is a
Speaker 1: sphere on the tree of life for the cabalistic tree.
Speaker 1: So now, once i have an idea that I'm going
Speaker 1: to use that, I want to kind of give people
Speaker 1: the idea of like even setting up the altar and
Speaker 1: how am I even going to do this?
Speaker 4: Now I'm like, all right, what can I use from that? Again?
Speaker 1: Marcury is associated with that there's the number eight, which
Speaker 1: now I can use like anything with like an eight,
Speaker 1: or I could even use the Infinity sign, maybe even
Speaker 1: the Magician card because it has that on there. If
Speaker 1: I wanted to put the Tower card on my altar,
Speaker 1: then that gives me a bunch of different colors when
Speaker 1: it comes to the kabbala. When you want to start
Speaker 1: using the hermetic kabala, every sphere has four colors associated
Speaker 1: with it. So I could use now violet purple, I
Speaker 1: could use orange, I could use red ruse, or I
Speaker 1: could use a yellow brown with like white spots in
Speaker 1: it that's called flecked. That is something that they'll use too.
Speaker 4: Plants. Plants will be associated with that.
Speaker 1: So now if I want to start making my own incense,
Speaker 1: I could start looking up the herbs that are associated
Speaker 1: with mercury, the oils. Again, what is that stuff called
Speaker 1: incense When it's it's like a grain, it's not actual herb,
Speaker 1: But like you can use that like frankensense and myrrh.
Speaker 1: That stuff comes in a like a tar sense or whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, you can start choosing all those different things
Speaker 1: to put on your altar.
Speaker 2: Ah.
Speaker 4: Then there's gods that could be.
Speaker 1: Associated with that sphere like one of them would easy
Speaker 1: just again with mercury. Obviously, mercury Hermes toth I was
Speaker 1: much more associated with Egyptian gods, so I did have
Speaker 1: a small statue of Toth. I would put him on
Speaker 1: my altar if I was using mercury or Hode. So
Speaker 1: like you can even start like using symbolism like that
Speaker 1: with those gods, or you can start making like sigils
Speaker 1: with their names if you want, which I'll get into
Speaker 1: that too. There's archangels that are associated with every sphere,
Speaker 1: so if you want to start using an angel instead,
Speaker 1: there's certain ones that you know you can use for
Speaker 1: that idea that you're trying to reach. So basically you
Speaker 1: have all these things and it's like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: what can I do with this for me? Sometimes, if
Speaker 1: I wanted to even the ultar cloth the color that
Speaker 1: I'm used, I'd probably put orange down because I'm going
Speaker 1: to use it for mercury. I might even use a
Speaker 1: light bulb in the room that I'm using. If I'm
Speaker 1: using any light at all, I might actually believe it
Speaker 1: or not. I'd have had different color light bulbs. I would
Speaker 1: use the color according to the sphere as.
Speaker 2: The material of the cloth that you're going to be
Speaker 2: using on the ultra matter.
Speaker 1: Some I've heard some people this is interesting if it's
Speaker 1: even real. I have thought about this before. If you
Speaker 1: want to start mind fucking yourself about what you're actually doing.
Speaker 1: If I've made a talisman and I'm in evoking energies
Speaker 1: and I'm trying to charge that talisman, and now when
Speaker 1: i'm you know, so now everything's you know, supposedly in
Speaker 1: that talisman. When I go to finish everything that I'm doing,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna banish everything that I just did to remove
Speaker 1: out of the area. Now if that talisman is still
Speaker 1: in my circle or mind, it just gonna undo everything
Speaker 1: I just did. Think about that, if you really want
Speaker 1: to think about that. I've heard people say, oh, if
Speaker 1: you cover the talisman with's silk, that doesn't happen. So
Speaker 1: I guess, like, you know, silk just destroys toth of
Speaker 1: Horus or you know, fucking whoever else you're working with.
Speaker 1: So like maybe there is something to it, or maybe
Speaker 1: there isn't. But that's a good question, because I even
Speaker 1: do question some point the validity of these rituals in general.
Speaker 2: This is my well, I mean and if you fuck
Speaker 2: them up, you could potentially do the opposite of what
Speaker 2: you intended to do.
Speaker 4: That is true, Yes, yes, yes, you know.
Speaker 2: You're trying to get more sales and you could end
Speaker 2: up getting fired on your way to work, you know.
Speaker 4: Like you don't even make it in. Yeah. Yeah, but no,
Speaker 4: that is a good question I've had.
Speaker 1: I have heard some people mention certain things, but I
Speaker 1: I never I never got into that deep with like
Speaker 1: the type of cloth that I was using.
Speaker 4: I probably did.
Speaker 1: I did at one point have a silk cloth that
Speaker 1: I did wrap around the towsman. I just went with
Speaker 1: the whole idea, but I don't know if like there
Speaker 1: was any validity to that.
Speaker 2: So I was I was definitely expecting you to say
Speaker 2: it has to be like, uh, wool, cotton or silk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I have heard of silk. That's even like
Speaker 1: another thing I've heard. This is something I hear for
Speaker 1: witches a lot. If you're gonna banish your house and you're
Speaker 1: gonna walk around with say it, you know, whatever you're using,
Speaker 1: are you gotta make sure you open up the windows
Speaker 1: so they can leave?
Speaker 4: I'm like, well, how the fuck did they get in?
Speaker 4: The windows? Had to be open.
Speaker 1: So when I just did a ritual before and I
Speaker 1: invoked TOTD, that motherfucker couldn't get in because a fucking glass.
Speaker 1: This almighty guy that was there to watch the watch
Speaker 1: the universe coming to existence is fucked by a piece
Speaker 1: of glass. Get the fuck out, he come on, think
Speaker 1: about that. So none of my rituals work until I open.
Speaker 4: Up a window.
Speaker 2: Yes, so see, you know you like pour sand in
Speaker 2: a circle so that he can't be broken. That type
Speaker 2: of a thing, right, and if these entities aren't welcome
Speaker 2: into your home unless you invite them, I would have
Speaker 2: to assume that, Yeah, you would have to invite them
Speaker 2: right in this.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I just think I don't know.
Speaker 2: If there's attachments all the time. I mean, we all
Speaker 2: of us probably have multiple attachments going all at once.
Speaker 1: I suggest to just open up the windows just to
Speaker 1: air out the house and change the energy, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But I don't know if that's like
Speaker 1: the end all beial that's the deciding factor.
Speaker 2: But that is funny.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've thought of that before, likeything else I've done before.
Speaker 2: This all powerful being can't get through. He can't figure
Speaker 2: out the fucking window.
Speaker 4: He can't just go through glass, I mean the sunlight those.
Speaker 2: I mean, you go through walls, but this motherfucker can't
Speaker 2: go through the window.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just say like sometimes some of the things I
Speaker 1: guess we think of in the co community, I'm like, yo,
Speaker 1: we mind fucking shit, Like is this getting silly now?
Speaker 4: Like I don't know. Maybe there's something behind it, who knows, But.
Speaker 2: I also think it means it's how much validity you
Speaker 2: put behind it, right, because you always talked about the
Speaker 2: intentions of the magician.
Speaker 4: I believe that too. I believe that too.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, I do think that people have the powers
Speaker 1: to start doing that as well. But yeah, with this,
Speaker 1: like even now, even with this ritual, now, before I
Speaker 1: even get into it, now, I'm gonna start looking at like,
Speaker 1: all right, if I'm a salesman, I'm just gonna go
Speaker 1: with like how I would probably do this, But there
Speaker 1: was tons of different ways you could do it. I
Speaker 1: would probably like do a talisman. And now a talisman
Speaker 1: would be something that would kind of be uh it
Speaker 1: be like a sigil, artistic design of things on a
Speaker 1: piece of paper. I would probably make it circular like
Speaker 1: a sigil, and what you're going to do is eventually like, well,
Speaker 1: first off, this is all I'm going to cover, is
Speaker 1: just a banishing to clear the to clear the area.
Speaker 1: Basically you look at it is that you've got a
Speaker 1: dirty plate. You want to go rinse it off and
Speaker 1: clean it off, have a clean slate, nothing and nothing
Speaker 1: on there, you know, just everything removed, and then you
Speaker 1: can start doing Yeah. Or if it's like a painter,
Speaker 1: like if somebody's like the guy doesn't have any more
Speaker 1: shit left and he's just gonna repaint the picture white
Speaker 1: so he can clear off the area and start all.
Speaker 4: Over again, you know, something like that. So yeah, that's
Speaker 4: all I'm going to cover.
Speaker 1: But like with the talisman, when I did all after
Speaker 1: I banished everything, I would specifically invoke whatever energy or
Speaker 1: whatever thing I want to work with and try to
Speaker 1: get the idea that I have in my head with that,
Speaker 1: with that whatever I'm working with and putting it into
Speaker 1: the talisman and charging it with you know your intent.
Speaker 1: So I'll just go over with the idea of it.
Speaker 1: If I wanted to make a talisman, I just said
Speaker 1: I could use all those different colors for different things.
Speaker 1: There will be symbols that can be again that I
Speaker 1: said that our associated I could start using planetary symbols.
Speaker 1: I could start using numbers that are associated with the
Speaker 1: Kabbala shapes that go with it. Again, with mercury, you know,
Speaker 1: I could use like the image of they could use this,
Speaker 1: you know, I could scrolls is an image that you
Speaker 1: can use on a talisman, even like writing stuff like
Speaker 1: a book. Now, if I wanted to gain money with this,
Speaker 1: I could say, all right, the mercury is going to
Speaker 1: be more for like the salesman, the talking of the mouth,
Speaker 1: because speech and writing is really big with mercury. Now,
Speaker 1: if I want to associate money with it, maybe I
Speaker 1: want to use a little bit of Jupiter, because that
Speaker 1: is abundance, and you could look at that for money
Speaker 1: as well, even though in my opinion, I think it's
Speaker 1: more of a spiritual thing. But you can't look at
Speaker 1: it as money. Abundance of money, So I might want
Speaker 1: to use a little bit of both. So now I
Speaker 1: could start using some of those colors or blue and stuff,
Speaker 1: or I could start using different symbols. But you know
Speaker 1: what I'm getting as that I'll have sigils if I
Speaker 1: want to start using certain god names or even certain
Speaker 1: things that I want to write or things that I
Speaker 1: want to say. I could start now deciding to make sigils.
Speaker 4: How am I going to make the sigils magically?
Speaker 2: That's my question.
Speaker 1: There is magic squares that are associated with the kabbala,
Speaker 1: which like if I wanted to use Saturn, since Saturn
Speaker 1: is the third sphere Benah on the cabalistic tree, it
Speaker 1: will have a three by three box with numbers in them,
Speaker 1: and each letter is associated with numeric value and you
Speaker 1: would just connect the dots whether what the letter is,
Speaker 1: what the value equals. You start there and just keep going.
Speaker 1: If you want to use Jupiter, that's four, that's the
Speaker 1: fourth sphere, that's a four by four, so you got
Speaker 1: to go five by five, six by six. They get
Speaker 1: bigger as you go down the tree. You use those
Speaker 1: magic squares if you want, you could take a phrase
Speaker 1: and just do like sigils like people will with chaos magic.
Speaker 1: Then you could take out the vowels, or you could
Speaker 1: take out the doubles and then you just use those
Speaker 1: letters and actually just use your own artistic whatever design.
Speaker 4: And create a signil.
Speaker 1: A lot of the letters that are left, but I mean,
Speaker 1: there's so many different ways to do it.
Speaker 2: I would see myself creating my own As you were
Speaker 2: explaining this to me, it was reminding me of a
Speaker 2: series of books that I used to read called Mortal Instruments,
Speaker 2: and they would tattoo the sedules into them and it
Speaker 2: would give them different powers depending on what schedule they tattooed.
Speaker 2: Totally different from what you're saying, but it reminded me.
Speaker 1: Of it, even though you know, every archangel has a
Speaker 1: schedule too, so if you want to use archangels, they'd
Speaker 1: have one. And again, like just just so many different
Speaker 1: things that you could start doing and start using. I mean,
Speaker 1: you could even start drawing certain plants. Like I said,
Speaker 1: you can using certain crystals. If you want to put
Speaker 1: certain crystals on your on your altar, you can.
Speaker 4: Oh damn, sorry about that.
Speaker 2: Gyles, blasters, what do you want?
Speaker 1: Yeah, my bead, my bed? Uh yeah, So now I
Speaker 1: have all that stuff. So, I mean there's just tons
Speaker 1: of things that you could start using. Oh, candles, I'm
Speaker 1: going to use an orange candle because of that, because
Speaker 1: I'm using mercury. I might even draw certain things on it. Again,
Speaker 1: I could even draw a sigil on there. I could
Speaker 1: even put the oils or herbs that are associated, you know,
Speaker 1: if you want to start getting more crazy like that. So,
Speaker 1: but that's a little bit more wicked price style ceremonial magic.
Speaker 1: But you can, you know, start doing things with the candle.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna have the black and white candle on my
Speaker 1: altar to to to again for the kabbala, for the
Speaker 1: both pillars.
Speaker 4: Check it floor.
Speaker 2: Can I pause for a second. If you were to
Speaker 2: draw schedules onto the candles as the candles are burning
Speaker 2: and it starts to burn the schedule down, is that
Speaker 2: a bad thing, like symbolic symbolically destroying the symbol or
Speaker 2: the sedule.
Speaker 1: I No, it's like that's all supposed to be like
Speaker 1: part of the rituals, like burning the candle down with
Speaker 1: all that stuff on there.
Speaker 2: Okay, would you carve it or use like a sharpie
Speaker 2: or something?
Speaker 1: I normally carved it, believe it or Okay, yeah, yeah
Speaker 1: I would carve it out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I actually had uh, I don't remember what it was,
Speaker 1: but I actually had like certain tools that were like
Speaker 1: used to it that I would actually carve into the
Speaker 1: candle and use. They have wax tools that could have
Speaker 1: been what it was for Allly, No, I don't remember.
Speaker 2: I only know that because they always come up on
Speaker 2: Amazon when I'm looking for new dab tools. It's like
Speaker 2: wax working tools.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to think of I'm almost positive
Speaker 1: I did have them for something else, and that's what
Speaker 1: I use them for. I actually that was even another thing.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I would use a wood burner, like one of
Speaker 1: those things, and I would actually go to I think
Speaker 1: it was like hobby lobby or fuck Michael's or something
Speaker 1: like that and get these small discs. And sometimes I
Speaker 1: would actually, if it was an angel or maybe a
Speaker 1: certain idea or something I knew I might use more
Speaker 1: than once, I would actually use the wood burning engraver
Speaker 1: and burn it into the fucking wood and keep it
Speaker 1: and reuse it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, and those things are fun. I used to
Speaker 2: get stoned as fucking just make the coolest designs in wood. Oh.
Speaker 1: I wasn't too good at it. It took me a
Speaker 1: future tries to even get it down.
Speaker 2: Okay, that was like my introduction to tattooing, honestly.
Speaker 4: Because I can see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's similar. But so you have the You mentioned
Speaker 2: the white candles, and that's something that you use in
Speaker 2: every single ritual.
Speaker 4: The white and black, yes.
Speaker 2: Okay, and the white and black so that's.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's like the pillars, yeah, the pillars of the Kabbala.
Speaker 1: And you can represents even like the checker floor.
Speaker 2: So gotcha, gotcha?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 2: So where do we go from here?
Speaker 5: Sir?
Speaker 4: All right?
Speaker 1: So now after I have like you know again, let's
Speaker 1: say I'm gonna go with a talisman just to meet
Speaker 1: this real quick. I don't spend too much time on
Speaker 1: that stuff.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 1: If again, if I was going to use mercury, and
Speaker 1: let's say I'm a little bit of Jupiter in my opinion,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna now want to do the ritual on a
Speaker 1: Wednesday more than likely, which is associated with mercury. Then
Speaker 1: there's also planetary hours. At sunrise is the hour of
Speaker 1: Mercury on the day of Mercury, and it will repeat
Speaker 1: it's stay three times throughout the whole day. It will
Speaker 1: fall in the mercury the hour of Mercury. Now, since
Speaker 1: I'm using Jupiter, if I want to get you know,
Speaker 1: if I want to play around with the stuff, maybe
Speaker 1: I could do the ritual on Wednesday, the day of Mercury,
Speaker 1: but on the hour of Jupiter. And if that's the case.
Speaker 1: Whatever way I'm going to do it, I will probably
Speaker 1: more than likely make my talisman on one of those hours.
Speaker 1: So let's say maybe if I have time at sunrise.
Speaker 1: It depends on how it works out. I might even
Speaker 1: have to do it a week or prior. I might
Speaker 1: make the talisman in the candle. But I'm going to
Speaker 1: make it on the day of Mercury at the hour
Speaker 1: of Jupiter and then reuse them once the ritual is done.
Speaker 2: Okay, because I was wondering in the beginning, you said,
Speaker 2: you know what am I going to use? And You're like,
Speaker 2: I'll use mercury, and I'm like, well, how exactly are
Speaker 2: you going to use it? And now now it's coming
Speaker 2: to fruition here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, picked the day in the hours for me.
Speaker 1: I even had an app that was specific to you,
Speaker 1: like even your location. So I had that, and so
Speaker 1: all right, let's say I got everything I want to do.
Speaker 1: Let's say I made the sigil. Let's say I have
Speaker 1: a second I have was off that day on a Wednesday,
Speaker 1: and which I actually was when I was when I
Speaker 1: was getting into magic with the schedule that I had,
Speaker 1: So let's say I would make the the sigul in
Speaker 1: the morning and then the same in the afternoon or
Speaker 1: night on the hour of Jupiter. On the day of Mercury,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do the ritual prior I will probably meditate.
Speaker 1: I might set aside like a half hour to meditate
Speaker 1: prior to the beginning of that hour of Jupiter, and
Speaker 1: or sometimes, believe it or not, I would even go,
Speaker 1: like to call a ritual bath kind of.
Speaker 4: I would go like take a bath.
Speaker 1: And just lay in there and actually just think about
Speaker 1: like what am I about to do and like my
Speaker 1: intent and how I'm going to do it or.
Speaker 4: Any There has been times.
Speaker 1: There's very few times where I actually I was like,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm not gonna be and maybe that's
Speaker 1: what I was supposed to do.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: It was actually realizing this is pointless, you know, it's
Speaker 1: it's not a good reason.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: Interesting, Yeah, maybe my consciousness so changed my mind.
Speaker 2: It's almost like the getting ready to jump in the
Speaker 2: pool or something, you know, and you do you don't
Speaker 2: have to or.
Speaker 4: I don't know, yeah, like is this yeah?
Speaker 1: Or you just even in analogy, but yeah, you even
Speaker 1: like start like even well, yeah, is it even a
Speaker 1: good idea or is you know, go against even some
Speaker 1: of my own morals.
Speaker 4: You know, there's so many different ways so looking at it.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, so like sometimes I would even reevaluate
Speaker 1: like what I'm doing. But like I would try to
Speaker 1: normally go into a meditation if I was in the tub,
Speaker 1: and I was I would be sitting in a chair,
Speaker 1: probably in the in the same room where I would
Speaker 1: end up doing the ritual with a flat back. I
Speaker 1: specifically found a chair with a flat back, and because
Speaker 1: I would do the God pose, which is a suggestive
Speaker 1: form of meditation where you're just sit in a chair
Speaker 1: with your back against the flat uh you know, back
Speaker 1: of the chair and your hands on your legs kind
Speaker 1: of like your palms like right near your knees kind
Speaker 1: of and then this part on your leg.
Speaker 4: Just sit there.
Speaker 1: It's really easy. It's fucking easy as pose. You can
Speaker 1: do it a medt it besides laying down. So I
Speaker 1: ran with that a lot because it was just easy
Speaker 1: for me. Then I will sit there and I'll i'll
Speaker 1: just like in visualize like lights sometimes coming down into
Speaker 1: me and just moving it up and down in my body,
Speaker 1: just trying to visualize with my eyes closed, like something
Speaker 1: coming in or picturing myself sitting there and trying to
Speaker 1: just visualize energy going up and down, up and down,
Speaker 1: and then eventually I'll move on to like trying to
Speaker 1: like feel my chakras and then you just go up.
Speaker 1: Just for me, I'm just trying to make it real
Speaker 1: simple until I get to the ritual, but like I
Speaker 1: ran end up spending time basically with my eyes closed
Speaker 1: trying to like feel the energy or kind of in
Speaker 1: a sense feel like within myself and try to just
Speaker 1: make sure I can get the chakras feeling. For me
Speaker 1: when I started doing a lot of chakra work and
Speaker 1: for people who are really big into them, I know,
Speaker 1: as crazy as it sounds, in my opinion, you can't
Speaker 1: feel those motherfuckers. It is weird, but you can almost
Speaker 1: feel like a spinning bowl. So I would kind of
Speaker 1: get myself to that point where I felt like I
Speaker 1: could feel like all of them up and down my body,
Speaker 1: and then I'm like, all right, I'm good to go,
Speaker 1: I'm aligned or whatever, and then.
Speaker 4: I'll start the ritual.
Speaker 1: When I get to that point there is I normally
Speaker 1: would like probably believe it or not, like hold to
Speaker 1: God and ask him to like basically like watch over
Speaker 1: me as I like do this, do this act or whatever.
Speaker 1: I forgot how I used to phrase it, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean when I first start the ritual, believe it
Speaker 1: or not, I would always like kind of give a
Speaker 1: prayer to God, give them thanks, and tell them the
Speaker 1: police watch over me as I do this most holy
Speaker 1: act or.
Speaker 4: Something to that effect.
Speaker 1: Then after that I would cite the reason. And at
Speaker 1: this point I'm already standing in front of my altar,
Speaker 1: and I would cite the reason why I'm even doing
Speaker 1: it and explain it because I'm using mercury this time,
Speaker 1: I may skip this part. But sometimes because mercury to
Speaker 1: HOODI are associated being a messenger to God. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: would even call to him and pass that message on
Speaker 1: to give it to God as well. Since I'm using
Speaker 1: to Hoodie, I probably skipped the whole part. So and
Speaker 1: then basically I would state that I'm going to start
Speaker 1: the ritual. At that point, I would probably then I
Speaker 1: would take on my altar. I am going to have
Speaker 1: incense in a charcoal burner, and that is I kind
Speaker 1: of like the stuff that you see in the Catholic Church.
Speaker 1: Even the thing I used looked very much like something
Speaker 1: in the church, I would drop the incense on the
Speaker 1: charcoal and it will be like in a little golden
Speaker 1: thing that hangs from a chain. And then I would
Speaker 1: actually do the cross, go around to all four corners
Speaker 1: and do that, you know, to like cleanse. And then
Speaker 1: I did have salt and water on my altar. I
Speaker 1: had pink kim lene, so if they used to use
Speaker 1: a lot, I would throw that in the water. And
Speaker 1: then I even had the ship from the Catholic Church
Speaker 1: that that stick with like a ball and you don't
Speaker 1: get in the water and you just go like that
Speaker 1: and uh, there's like a cotton bowl in there that
Speaker 1: just kind of flings the water out of the holes
Speaker 1: on the on the end. I would actually use that
Speaker 1: to like to cleanse my circle too as I go
Speaker 1: around all four corners.
Speaker 4: So now that's done.
Speaker 2: So then is it true? Is it true that those
Speaker 2: used to be used in the church even but they
Speaker 2: were distributing like a psychedelic.
Speaker 1: Oh, I have no idea I have when you're talking
Speaker 1: about the incense, h I have heard shows. I have
Speaker 1: I have heard stories about people doing shit like that
Speaker 1: with incense, like burden ship that might get you.
Speaker 4: A little Louis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was. It was almost common practice though,
Speaker 2: that they would do that in spiritual settings and use
Speaker 2: psychedelics within those is emitting stage and everything else. They
Speaker 2: would put pot in there and even higher psychoactive things.
Speaker 2: If this ship that I watched is true at all,
Speaker 2: but it makes sense if you're going in there for
Speaker 2: a spiritual reason, you're more spiritually in tuned if you're
Speaker 2: taking psychedelics. Yeah, maybe don't like super strong to where
Speaker 2: you're like taking like a heroic mushroom dose or anything.
Speaker 2: But you know, just even hitting weed gets me in
Speaker 2: a state of mind to where I can focus on
Speaker 2: ship a lot easier.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, for podcasting, like not even when I have
Speaker 1: to make shit believe or not. Sometimes if I catch
Speaker 1: like a nice buzz, yeah, it like puts me click
Speaker 1: into this zone.
Speaker 4: It's just like.
Speaker 1: Gets a lot done. It's pretty impressive. But I'm not promoting,
Speaker 1: all right, So moving forward?
Speaker 4: All right?
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Speaker 1: So oh shit, I didn't even I didn't even know
Speaker 1: that was one of your things going. Man, Damn nice
Speaker 1: good for you.
Speaker 2: It's it's brand new and I actually have not announced
Speaker 2: it yet because I'm not sure if the website is
Speaker 2: up and running. But yeah, it's more it's it's more
Speaker 2: of a full on partnership, like I'm actually gonna be
Speaker 2: giving out promo codes to my favorite creators.
Speaker 4: So nice, nice, I don't have to check these things out.
Speaker 2: Yes, so I am promoting the fuck o the show.
Speaker 4: Yeah, all right a little.
Speaker 2: But yes, so so you get you get your cleansing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're actually splashing the water.
Speaker 1: There's like little things you can say too when you
Speaker 1: go around. But yeah, so now what I would normally do,
Speaker 1: this is how the structure would normally go with ceremonial
Speaker 1: magicians and anybody who kind of uses these styles of rituals.
Speaker 1: There is kind of like a way to do it
Speaker 1: now if I want now again, I'm eventually going to
Speaker 1: use a planetary energy and cabbalistic ideas, which I would
Speaker 1: end up using the hexagram ritual for planetary energies in
Speaker 1: the Kabbala. That is where I'm going to eventually end.
Speaker 1: But before that, you want to start with here before
Speaker 1: you make yourself make your way to the planets, you know,
Speaker 1: so you're gonna want to banish any influence that you
Speaker 1: have here with the elements.
Speaker 2: You'll remove it hoping that it worked. Or yeah, you
Speaker 2: don't like feel something shift or a difference in any
Speaker 2: way over you.
Speaker 1: Or there's been times that's happened for me in like
Speaker 1: theoretic stuff and that I believe in. It was a
Speaker 1: lot of what I did probably like my last year
Speaker 1: and a half of magic, which is actually much more
Speaker 1: of like like I would go through I mean, I
Speaker 1: do all these rituals. I would go through the banishing
Speaker 1: and you know, I would cleanse the circle and everything,
Speaker 1: but then like literally I wouldn't really invoke anything. I
Speaker 1: would just actually like talk to God or like do
Speaker 1: certain prayers. I really wasn't like doing all the other
Speaker 1: stuff that I used to do. That's stuff, And I've
Speaker 1: even had a lot of other magicians say that a
Speaker 1: lot of theatrical work, that you've actually got to felt
Speaker 1: something with that stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how I would feel about that.
Speaker 2: It might make it might scare me to the point
Speaker 2: where I wouldn't fuck around anymore.
Speaker 4: I could do that to a lot of people, I'm sure.
Speaker 2: But because if you are tapping into something that that's
Speaker 2: powerful and you don't know what you're doing. That's a
Speaker 2: very scary thing. That's like getting behind the wheel of
Speaker 2: a fucking big ass bacco and not knowing what the
Speaker 2: fuck you're doing and trying to pull up the tank.
Speaker 4: All right, there is even one thing.
Speaker 1: When I get done with the ritual too, I do
Speaker 1: also want to I'm not saying that there is another
Speaker 1: stuff behind it, but I do actually think there might
Speaker 1: be some part of the eyeball in there, so I
Speaker 1: we do want to add that as well, all right,
Speaker 1: So yeah, now I have that ready to go. And
Speaker 1: then so when I was getting out, I was that
Speaker 1: first what I would do is banish earth air winded
Speaker 1: fire on the planetary sense. Before I get into the ritual,
Speaker 1: I just want of other people. No, I would do that,
Speaker 1: and then I would do the hexagram banishing ritual, which
Speaker 1: now i'd be kind of banishing all planetary influences. And
Speaker 1: then after that I would decide what I want to
Speaker 1: start doing. Now, since I said I was working with
Speaker 1: mercury or hold, I would probably invoke. I would do
Speaker 1: the invoking ritual of the hexagram and then invoke Mercury
Speaker 1: or hold or whatever to whatever was associated with that.
Speaker 1: Then I would do that, which I'm not going to
Speaker 1: cover on the show. I'm just doing the banishing, but
Speaker 1: that's how it would be done. So first off, I'll
Speaker 1: start off with the lesser banishing ritual of the pentagram.
Speaker 4: And when you go to do that, you.
Speaker 1: Will touch your forehead and you will say atah, which
Speaker 1: means onto thee, and then you will touch Some people
Speaker 1: touch their breast.
Speaker 4: I normally bring it down more like around.
Speaker 1: Kind of like my waist where my belt buckle would be,
Speaker 1: and I would say uh ata. Then I would say
Speaker 1: malcouth when I go down there, and then I would
Speaker 1: touch my right shoulder and go vega bora. Oh sorry,
Speaker 1: malcouth means the kingdom, so it's unto the kingdom. Then
Speaker 1: I go over and touch the right shoulder and say
Speaker 1: vega bora. That means in the power. And then I
Speaker 1: would touch my left shoulder and say vegadula, and that
Speaker 1: is in the glory. So I would go out to
Speaker 1: that is uh a hebrew atah, malcouth, Vega bora, vegadula,
Speaker 1: And then I would open up my hands and class
Speaker 1: them together and go layo lam amen, and that means
Speaker 1: to the ages Amen so attah uh atah vega bora
Speaker 1: vegadulla layolam Amen. So I would do that facing the
Speaker 1: east at my alter. Now some sometimes maybe some people
Speaker 1: step back or whatever, you know, but you're still facing
Speaker 1: the east, and then you will start drawing pentagrams. Now,
Speaker 1: depending on what you're doing, there is banishing, there is invoking,
Speaker 1: and then there's also the four elements and then spirit.
Speaker 1: So if you're just regular banishing, there is a specific
Speaker 1: way that you still have to draw that pentagram. If
Speaker 1: I'm invoking, there will be a different way I draw
Speaker 1: that pentagram. If I'm invoking era, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: different way. If I'm evoking fire, there's gonna be a
Speaker 1: different way. If I'm just specifically banishing one of those,
Speaker 1: those are different ways. And then that technically we get
Speaker 1: into the greater hexagram ritual, which we're not doing here.
Speaker 1: But the lesser banishing ritual is just like a blanket,
Speaker 1: like I'm just gonna banish everything equally. Then there is
Speaker 1: one specific way that you will draw the pentagram, and
Speaker 1: you will do that every time when you face the
Speaker 1: four cardinal directions. So I will draw that pentagram in
Speaker 1: front of me facing the east, and then I will
Speaker 1: basically for me, you'll bring your I bring my hands
Speaker 1: back to the back of my head, and then I'll
Speaker 1: put on one of my foots forward and then fling
Speaker 1: my arms forward towards the pentagram that I just drew,
Speaker 1: and you are suggested, I'm not gonna do it on
Speaker 1: here where you are suggested to vibrate to exhaustion. Basically,
Speaker 1: yod hey vody. So I will draw that pentagram and
Speaker 1: then charge it and go yod hey vody. Then after
Speaker 1: I'm done, I will bring my right forefinger up to
Speaker 1: my bottom lip and do the sin of silence to
Speaker 1: show that I am done doing whatever I was doing.
Speaker 1: Then I'll stick out my hand into the middle of
Speaker 1: the pentagram, turn myself to the other direction, start facing south,
Speaker 1: and then I'll start drawing my pentagram the same way
Speaker 1: I just did it over there. And then when I
Speaker 1: go to vibrate and charge it, I will go au
Speaker 1: nai same thing again, put my hand in there, turn
Speaker 1: myself around to the west. I'll draw the vanishing pentagram
Speaker 1: again and then I'll charge it.
Speaker 4: Go on a hey a.
Speaker 1: Then I'll turn myself to the north again, draw everything
Speaker 1: all over again.
Speaker 4: That one.
Speaker 1: You can say agala, which is like kind of an
Speaker 1: acronym for Atah gabor layalam adu Nai. I would normally
Speaker 1: just say the whole thing. I would just go Atar
Speaker 1: gabor laylam ad nai instead of agala. That's how I
Speaker 1: did it. Then I will turn myself and find myself
Speaker 1: again in the east, facing the east again, and I
Speaker 1: will extend my arms. I will look towards the east,
Speaker 1: and I will say before me, Raphael archangel, behind me,
Speaker 1: Gabrielle archangel. On my right hand, Michael again another archangel,
Speaker 1: left hand, you're a l for about me flames the pentagram,
Speaker 1: and in the column stands the sixth rade star. And
Speaker 1: then I will do again Atah malkouth vegabora vegadula layolam ahmen,
Speaker 1: and you're done. That's it, just for that, And basically
Speaker 1: what I did was banish the influences of those four
Speaker 1: cardinal directions, which are associated with the elements and cold
Speaker 1: and angels, to protect me from them, that's what.
Speaker 2: And that's going to help you get more sales.
Speaker 1: Well, that's going to help clear out the area. So
Speaker 1: nothing is, nothing is influencing what I'm about to do.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, so this is still cleansing. We're still banishing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's banishing. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm not going to get into the invoking. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: that's the banishing, and that that's it for that. And
Speaker 1: then I will go into the lesser banishing ritual of
Speaker 1: the hexagram, and that will now be to banish the
Speaker 1: planetary influences, you know, and stuff like that. And again,
Speaker 1: if I'm using the Kabbala, I would probably it's just
Speaker 1: easy to use this ritual to go along with it.
Speaker 4: And this one's a little bit more interesting. You will see, you.
Speaker 2: Want to be career headed when you go into these things.
Speaker 4: That's again, like I said, I spend about a half
Speaker 4: hour meditating.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean in a sense like you don't wanna
Speaker 2: do you smoke weed anything like?
Speaker 4: Well, that was the thing for me, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: It wasn't until I had practice magic and had magical
Speaker 1: experiences prior, right prior to COVID nineteen. Now, I didn't
Speaker 1: start smoking weed again until that hit and everything got
Speaker 1: shut down because I was just like, people are fucking crazy.
Speaker 1: There's no way I can go out there. And I
Speaker 1: got it, There's no way I could do the solvera
Speaker 1: people and nuts. So I started smoking weed again. So
Speaker 1: my whole time messing with magic in the beginning, and
Speaker 1: when I had magical experience no drugs involved, gotcha. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and even by again, I've mentioned it on your show.
Speaker 1: When I started I having magical experiences, I was only
Speaker 1: with meditation.
Speaker 4: I wasn't even doing rituals right.
Speaker 2: Well, I find it that I can't meditate if I
Speaker 2: don't smoke weed because my mind is so many different places,
Speaker 2: Like just to focus on a conversation when I do podcasts,
Speaker 2: you know, I have to have my right and left
Speaker 2: hand both doing something and or else. I can't pay
Speaker 2: attention because my brain has to be consuming multiple things
Speaker 2: at once. It's fucking weird, I don't know. And it
Speaker 2: was funny too, because I was staying with my mom
Speaker 2: and dad before I moved in here, waiting for this
Speaker 2: apartment to be ready for me to move into, and
Speaker 2: she wanted me to listen to something and it was
Speaker 2: about a half an hour long, and I put it
Speaker 2: on double speed. That's how I listened to podcasts, and
Speaker 2: she was like, rad No, I actually want you to
Speaker 2: listen to this, and I paused it, and I was
Speaker 2: like exactly. Do you want me to actually absorb and
Speaker 2: obtain this or do you want me to just humor
Speaker 2: you and play it at normal speed and think about
Speaker 2: something else while it's happening, because I'll get bored they're
Speaker 2: talking too slow.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people actually listen to podcasts
Speaker 1: at two time speed.
Speaker 2: I have that too, Yeah, and I usually I left it.
Speaker 2: I have a fidget spinner, and I left it out there.
Speaker 2: But I usually have a fidget spinner and a pen.
Speaker 2: And I always have like at least three drinks, like
Speaker 2: a water, coffee, and.
Speaker 1: I do a lot when I'm podcasting. I'll have like
Speaker 1: a coffee, another drink with me.
Speaker 2: Yes, I have to have multiple things going on around
Speaker 2: me at once. Man, it's crazy. I'm glad I'm not
Speaker 2: the only one. I'm like, I'm probably the craziest podcaster.
Speaker 2: I did notice Treble's Garcia was holding you one of
Speaker 2: these when I was recording with him. Oh look at that.
Speaker 2: They it's an organite.
Speaker 4: I like that, all right.
Speaker 2: So anyways, catalysts coming through with the side busts again,
Speaker 2: getting totally off topic.
Speaker 4: You're good, all right?
Speaker 1: So yeah, so again, and now I would end up
Speaker 1: doing and banishing all the planetary influences. And for that
Speaker 1: I would normally use the lesser ritual of the pentagram.
Speaker 1: And again you are going to stand upright, feed together,
Speaker 1: left arm at the side, in your right arm across
Speaker 1: your body like this. Now, if you have a wand
Speaker 1: or other weapon, you'll hold it upright in the median line.
Speaker 1: Some people use wands or like sometimes you could have
Speaker 1: like you could use a dagger, use your finger.
Speaker 4: I norm just go like this or use my finger.
Speaker 1: So I would just stand there like this, and again
Speaker 1: you're facing the east, and you will go I N
Speaker 1: R I.
Speaker 4: Just like the thing that's on top of the cruss.
Speaker 1: So you say I N R I, and then you
Speaker 1: will say them in Hebrew yode noon thresh yode.
Speaker 4: That's I N all right.
Speaker 1: But virgo isis mighty mother, Scorpio apopphous destroyer, soul Osiris
Speaker 1: slain in risen isis Apophus cyrus e h oh, which
Speaker 1: is I A O whi's pronounced. Now at that point
Speaker 1: you will start that was good. Now after that you'll
Speaker 1: start doing. You'll start doing like there is a bunch
Speaker 1: of different even when it comes to the elements.
Speaker 4: That's another thing.
Speaker 1: If you do the Greater Ritual of the Hexagram, one
Speaker 1: thing is that you'll actually be opening. You'll be doing
Speaker 1: certain things to show that you're either opening a portal
Speaker 1: or closing one. There's certain signs for the elements air, fire, water, Earth.
Speaker 1: Basically looks like you're throwing up the fucking Hitler thing.
Speaker 1: I find that interesting.
Speaker 2: No, that's the elms thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you you actually go like that, and
Speaker 1: that's the you go like that in your other hands
Speaker 1: back a little bit, and that's the sign of Earth.
Speaker 1: It's basically what I think Ringo Star is doing on
Speaker 1: the Beatles Help album, you know, because they're all actually
Speaker 1: doing some sore of Yeah, if you were to take
Speaker 1: I think the Earth and then take these signs that
Speaker 1: I'm doing with the LVX, you actually have what the
Speaker 1: Beatles are doing on the album cover.
Speaker 2: That would make sense. Oh what about led Zeppelin? They
Speaker 2: have sigules for their names.
Speaker 1: Right, yes, yes, those are sigils for their names. They
Speaker 1: probably and you know what the thing is again, you
Speaker 1: might have an idea because maybe you know, they use
Speaker 1: the feather for one, Maybe a feather has an idea
Speaker 1: to do a cult symbolism. But if they made their
Speaker 1: own specific sigils odds are nobody's gonna know what the
Speaker 1: fuck it actually totally means because it's specific to them,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. But you can have an idea,
Speaker 1: I'm sure with certain things.
Speaker 2: But the Goddess if I'm not mistaken.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, I mean yeah, I mean there's yeah, so
Speaker 1: many things with feathers. I mean even I'm sure, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I think you know, toath with writing could
Speaker 1: possibly for your feather. Mott used feathers to weigh the soul.
Speaker 1: So I mean, there's so many different things with that.
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, back to uh yes, so that.
Speaker 2: Will make you get too too into it. I'm curious.
Speaker 2: I had to look real quick. Hang on, Robert Plant
Speaker 2: symbol is a feather in case within a circle representing
Speaker 2: the feather of MAT's saying it's Goddess of truth justice.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 1: I just I just just threw that out there because
Speaker 1: I knew that the feather was used for that. Yeah, supposedly, Mott.
Speaker 1: It's used as used on the scales.
Speaker 2: Yeah, interesting in the scales, that would make sense. And
Speaker 2: it's Robert Plant. He's a guitar player and he plays.
Speaker 1: Ship well wow, yeah, scales, that's fucking great.
Speaker 4: I don't want to look at it like that. That
Speaker 4: is interesting. Yeah, you know what's you know what could.
Speaker 2: Be really wrong. I'm just spitballing here.
Speaker 1: And you know it would be perfect too for the
Speaker 1: for for mercury because uh, Mott was Mott was was
Speaker 1: told chick to an extent, and mercury is number eight
Speaker 1: and octaves going eight when it comes to music. So
Speaker 1: the scales and octaves would be real good for proper play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it would be. I was curious too, like why
Speaker 2: I goddess? Why not a god? But if it's music
Speaker 2: and it that would absolutely want.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be sound in form, So it would
Speaker 1: be the male energy being put into female form would
Speaker 1: be music, or it would just be one long note
Speaker 1: with no break with the breaks you start putting it
Speaker 1: in form, that's the feminine energy, and now you really
Speaker 1: still to create music.
Speaker 2: You know what was the guy's name? He sounded like
Speaker 2: a girl.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was Robert Plain who sang actually, oh it
Speaker 4: was yeah.
Speaker 2: The plant was a singer. And then the guitar player
Speaker 2: or the Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was Jimmy Page who who ended up owning Jimmy
Speaker 1: nutche Jimmy Page Crowley's house for a minute, Yeah, and
Speaker 1: wrote Stairway to Heaven in.
Speaker 2: There, apparently.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what he says.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was obsessed with that story actually, and
Speaker 2: he was like, it just came to him, and and
Speaker 2: then Robert Plant sat down and then the lyrics just
Speaker 2: came to him and he doesn't even remember writing it,
Speaker 2: and blah blah blah. And then a few years back
Speaker 2: I found out that they actually fucking stole that song
Speaker 2: from a band that never actually made it.
Speaker 1: They I think they were known for there's a couple
Speaker 1: of songs I think that they kind of ripped off, unfortunately.
Speaker 2: Which fucks up the whole allure of them and the
Speaker 2: mystique about it, because I'm like, man, it was written
Speaker 2: in a Lester Crowley's house and they didn't actually write it.
Speaker 2: It just fucking came to them. And I was like,
Speaker 2: super excited. And you could play that song backwards and
Speaker 2: it fucking has two meanings and you can clearly hear
Speaker 2: it saying shit.
Speaker 1: And do you when I stumbled the cruss recently that
Speaker 1: I found some sort of like news article where it
Speaker 1: was like different people, a couple of different people in
Speaker 1: the music industry coming out and saying like and then
Speaker 1: like they'd show the example, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 1: I think he did. I never realized Nirvana actually ripped
Speaker 1: off a few of their bigger songs were actually like
Speaker 1: ripped off older songs, and I was like, holy fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, god, damn, like not for nothing. I
Speaker 1: played the guitar. I was like, Yo, the music was
Speaker 1: easy enough. You really need to rip somebody off to Well.
Speaker 2: I was gonna ask you if you if you play
Speaker 2: any instruments, because really, there's only so many fucking progressions
Speaker 2: of chords that you can uh mix up. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like a Rubik's cube. Eventually you're gonna have the
Speaker 2: same combination.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I have thought of that as well. I mean, is
Speaker 1: there all but some it's just like I don't know
Speaker 1: in the but yeah, that is interesting though.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but when you just blatantly out like steal ship,
Speaker 2: you know, I can show you some examples when we
Speaker 2: get off of this podcast. It's it's ridiculous some of
Speaker 2: the songs that are famous now that are like from
Speaker 2: the fucking thirties and you would never even know it.
Speaker 4: Oh, I wouldn't done it.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't done it because they can't even make their
Speaker 1: own ship anymore.
Speaker 2: Yeah I can. I can hear it in my head.
Speaker 3: But this.
Speaker 2: One more time is it to it'll fucking rip off
Speaker 2: from a song from the forties.
Speaker 4: I don't know what it is. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I can't even think. I just I can hear it.
Speaker 2: But anyways, all right, man, I'm back to your magic.
Speaker 2: You got careless trying to cut you off the track
Speaker 2: as many times as possible within what are we fifty
Speaker 2: four minutes? And I've derailed you at least more times
Speaker 2: than twenty twenty two as.
Speaker 4: Derailed chemical spills too.
Speaker 1: Yeah oh yeah, So now again, like I was getting
Speaker 1: into in this, You'll start making like signs for whatever
Speaker 1: you're saying, and I'll extend my arms like this, and
Speaker 1: I'll say the sign of Osyrus Slaine. Then I'll drop
Speaker 1: my arm like that, look to my shoulder and raise
Speaker 1: my arm like that, and I am technically making the
Speaker 1: sign of a swasticker, and I am saying the sign
Speaker 1: of the morning of iis. Then I bring my arms
Speaker 1: up like that, which is also where Churchill got the
Speaker 1: peace sign from Crowley, the sign of Hypophus and typhon,
Speaker 1: and then I will bring my arms closed like this
Speaker 1: like an X, and I will say the sign of
Speaker 1: a cyrus risen. And then I will say l v
Speaker 1: x lukes the light of the cross.
Speaker 4: And as I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying that, I will I'll go like this, l v
Speaker 1: x lukes the light of the cross. So I'll extend
Speaker 1: my arms open again and then bring them closed they
Speaker 1: make a cross. Then I will face the east where
Speaker 1: I was facing again. And now each direction that is
Speaker 1: associated with the plane. You know, when I started doing this,
Speaker 1: I am going to draw two triangles. They will get
Speaker 1: drawn differently, and only one of them is actually gonna
Speaker 1: make a hexagrin. So now when I face the east,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna draw two triangles, one and then another one
Speaker 1: starting in the middle of it, kind of drawing back out.
Speaker 1: So basically, for people can't see me excited star, well,
Speaker 1: it's basically one triangle on top of another one. It
Speaker 1: almost kind of looks like a tree maybe if you
Speaker 1: want to see it, like when it looks like drawn
Speaker 1: on a piece of paper.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just one triangle and then another triangle just
Speaker 1: like it to where the tip is going into the
Speaker 1: triangle on top of it.
Speaker 2: So just when it does look like a tree, that's
Speaker 2: crazy because there's a snowboarding company that has that as
Speaker 2: a logo, and I always just thought it was a tree.
Speaker 4: You never know.
Speaker 1: And then I will draw that, and then when I
Speaker 1: go to charge that one, I will say ah ra rita.
Speaker 1: And those are again I don't know the full initials
Speaker 1: for all those words, but that one means one in
Speaker 1: his beginning, one in his individuality, His permutation is one.
Speaker 1: Then I will go and I will turn to the right,
Speaker 1: and I will draw the earth hexagram, and then that
Speaker 1: one will actually be I will draw one triangle facing up,
Speaker 1: and then I will draw one facing down, which now
Speaker 1: I am actually making the actual hexagram. And then I
Speaker 1: will charge that the same way our rita. And you know,
Speaker 1: at the end of this, when I'm done, I make
Speaker 1: the sign of silence, just like I did in the
Speaker 1: other one. I will put my hands into the middle,
Speaker 1: trace myself to the next one, and then I will
Speaker 1: draw one triangle up and then I will draw another
Speaker 1: one underneath it upside down, so it almost looks like
Speaker 1: a reflection as above so below in a sense, or
Speaker 1: even like volume up and volume down, a channel up
Speaker 1: and channel down on a remote. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: will have that. And then I will charge that our
Speaker 1: rita that is the air. And then I will turn again,
Speaker 1: and then I will trace one that is pointing down,
Speaker 1: and then underneath it, I will trace one that is
Speaker 1: pointing up. And even when I trace these things, they
Speaker 1: actually get traced from a specific direction as well. So
Speaker 1: I have that one and again it's one pointing down
Speaker 1: and one pointing up. Almost looks like a where those
Speaker 1: clocks would sand in them whatever. Yeah, yeah, it almost
Speaker 1: looks like something like that. Forgive people an idea what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. And then I will charge that again.
Speaker 2: To do these rituals with sparklers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be wild looking. That would actually be
Speaker 1: pretty cool looking. So yeah, then then I do that,
Speaker 1: and then I basically end it the same way I
Speaker 1: just started it. I will face the east and I
Speaker 1: will do the whole thing. I and r I yode
Speaker 1: noon rush yode virgo isis mighty mother, Scorpio apophous destroyer
Speaker 1: soul Osiris slain, and risen isis apophus osiris. E oh again,
Speaker 1: extend my arms the sign of Osiris slaane like a cross.
Speaker 1: Then I make the swastika, and then I say the
Speaker 1: sign of the morning of iceis they make like that
Speaker 1: V sign with my arms, the sign of Apophus and Typhon,
Speaker 1: and then I crossed my arms again the sign of Cyrus,
Speaker 1: Slane l v X lukes the light of the cross,
Speaker 1: and then I probably then I think I would end
Speaker 1: it with the capitalistic cross, and then that's it. Everything
Speaker 1: has been banished. And then after that, so ho much
Speaker 1: all the shit that you possibly have to do. Now
Speaker 1: if you want to start invoking, or if you're just
Speaker 1: gonna leave it there, some people will leave it there
Speaker 1: and just you know, do whatever they.
Speaker 4: Want to do.
Speaker 1: And I invoke actually doing voking rituals where you can
Speaker 1: do invoking rituals.
Speaker 2: So if you just left it there, you don't mean
Speaker 2: just walk away, right oh Like.
Speaker 4: Well like for me, sometimes that's all I would do.
Speaker 1: And then maybe I'd give a prayer or I'd sit
Speaker 1: there and meditate, and then I would say I was done,
Speaker 1: and that's it.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you wouldn't actually invoke anything.
Speaker 4: It's just that's suggestive of.
Speaker 2: Banishing obstacles with with that would keep us from achieving
Speaker 2: our goal.
Speaker 1: Basically, yeah, basically keeping yourself clean and getting influences off
Speaker 1: of you. That's actually believing in that. That is doing
Speaker 1: the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram. If you're like
Speaker 1: kind of getting into anything, they're probably going to suggest
Speaker 1: when you learn that to do that two to three
Speaker 1: times a day just by itself, to keep yourself cleansed
Speaker 1: and to get.
Speaker 4: Used to doing it.
Speaker 1: That's literally you're just going to do what I did
Speaker 1: for that letter Lesser Banishing Ritual Pentagram exactly how I did.
Speaker 4: And that's it.
Speaker 2: Now when you do these, are you full garb everything
Speaker 2: you can?
Speaker 1: You can even like no I would, Yeah, I had
Speaker 1: either a white robe or a black robe, depending I guess,
Speaker 1: you know, whatever I was what I sometimes depending on
Speaker 1: what sphere I was working with, whatever pillar they fell on.
Speaker 1: If I was using let's say I was working with Hode,
Speaker 1: it's going to fall in the black pillar. I might
Speaker 1: use a black robe. If I was using goodbora chessad
Speaker 1: which is Mark JUPI that would fall in the white pillar.
Speaker 4: Maybe I'll use my white robe.
Speaker 2: Now you were fully in like trying to go for mercury,
Speaker 2: would it help if you were to wear an orange robe?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, or throw something that was another thing
Speaker 1: I even had. I didn't have too many of them,
Speaker 1: but you ever know, like when you go do you
Speaker 1: ever see like when you go to church, they might
Speaker 1: have like their white robe on, and then they'll have
Speaker 1: this other thing like over it, and it might have
Speaker 1: all these other designs and colors. I had green and
Speaker 1: orange and some I think I might have had a
Speaker 1: red one that sometimes I would like throw those over
Speaker 1: the robes I was wearing too. Very cool, yeah, but
Speaker 1: almost believe it or not, depending like if I use
Speaker 1: the white robe and then I was using those other things,
Speaker 1: you'd probably be like this, do looks like he's doing
Speaker 1: Catholic church in his house?
Speaker 4: No? No, Lie, I mean it almost looks like.
Speaker 2: Oh, That's what I was thinking when you were describing.
Speaker 4: It, especially with all the tools I was using too.
Speaker 2: I was hoping you would more look like a Jedi.
Speaker 1: But oh with the black one, the black one and
Speaker 1: then the hood that I have. If I do wear
Speaker 1: that one, that one gets that one does look pretty crazy.
Speaker 1: It's only your eyes and mouthpiece. Yeah, something.
Speaker 2: I was just thinking, you know, like I kind of
Speaker 2: with the jedis, I kind of associate that with like
Speaker 2: more of a pure Uh shit, I don't pure form
Speaker 2: of magic, I guess, but well, yeah.
Speaker 1: I would say the higher up on the tree, those
Speaker 1: those ideas.
Speaker 2: And what's going on, and their garbs that they're wearing
Speaker 2: are all neutral colors. It looks like Gunny Sacks and
Speaker 2: you know there is the black ones and the white
Speaker 2: ones for the higher ups. Yes, but you know you
Speaker 2: you would see him like just it just reminds me
Speaker 2: of more spiritual you know, like when you would think
Speaker 2: of the people that were walking with Jesus. That's the
Speaker 2: kind of clothes that they were wearing.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I get what you're saying. Yeah for sure. Oh fuck,
Speaker 4: what was they saying about that? Oh?
Speaker 1: Now, when it comes to the ritual, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: and I'll make this I won't go into this too much,
Speaker 1: but it's something I just do want to point out.
Speaker 1: And again, knowing how the eyeball works and knowing how
Speaker 1: you're supposed to be clothed, like these rituals again, the
Speaker 1: way that I'm using them, they're looking at them. They're
Speaker 1: coming from Liba. Oh that is a book from Crowley.
Speaker 1: So it's more than likely these things are kind of
Speaker 1: geared towards the astromardentum or even you know the oto
Speaker 1: to use, and he's already wearing his specific garb. But
Speaker 1: like when they show you how to make these these
Speaker 1: certain gestures, even the pictures are somebody inside of an
Speaker 1: AA astromargentum robe which will sometimes they'll have the hood
Speaker 1: on them. But my opinion, I do think it's quite
Speaker 1: possible that again, when you look at the eyeball, I'm
Speaker 1: saying that like, you're gonna have to my opinion, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have to make one of your pupils twist in,
Speaker 1: you know, because there's a change in the human body.
Speaker 4: I think Stuff's what's going on.
Speaker 1: The pupil is held open from the four cardinal directions.
Speaker 1: It is pulled open like a cross. Now when you
Speaker 1: start to close and dilate and get smaller, your pupil
Speaker 1: actually twists close, spins close like a camera kind of
Speaker 1: lens spin closed. I think what you're doing in a sense,
Speaker 1: especially if you're dressed in all black, especially with the
Speaker 1: robot with the hood on, you're in all black, you're
Speaker 1: destroying the gods at the four areas, and as you're turning,
Speaker 1: your pupil is literally closing as well. Because you think
Speaker 1: about it when you want to start invoking. When you're doing,
Speaker 1: you're pulling in an energy or in a light source.
Speaker 1: And when you pin your eyeball, it actually pulls more
Speaker 1: light in. So I think you're actually destroying the muscles
Speaker 1: or the gods or the energies at the four cardinal
Speaker 1: directions that pull your eyeball closed, and you are the
Speaker 1: pupil actually showing that you are spinning closed now, and
Speaker 1: then when you invoke, you're pulling in the light. I
Speaker 1: think there's actually eyeball symbolism in these rituals as well
Speaker 1: as something else is going on.
Speaker 2: Well, the eyeball is crazy the way you dove into
Speaker 2: it the last time you were on the show, and
Speaker 2: then not only that, but since you were on the
Speaker 2: show and mentioned mentioned that, and I made a clip
Speaker 2: about it and everything, but I started noticing it everywhere,
Speaker 2: and even you know, just the one the covering of
Speaker 2: the eye, it gives it a different meaning to me.
Speaker 1: Now you imagine, like again, like that's how Remember these
Speaker 1: people just are quite obvious sometimes with what they're getting at.
Speaker 1: And I think that's like even once I started having
Speaker 1: magical experiences and started getting interested in the eye for
Speaker 1: some reason.
Speaker 4: I was like, it's it's.
Speaker 1: Like it's almost like silly. It's like they're fucking showing
Speaker 1: like a fucking eyeball is constantly used in a triangle,
Speaker 1: like it's right there in my face telling me to
Speaker 1: look at the fucking eyeball, and I never once thought
Speaker 1: about it. It's like it's so blatant.
Speaker 2: Did you watch this super Bowl halftime show this year?
Speaker 4: No? No, No, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Actually yeah, I was really hoping that some people would.
Speaker 2: I posted on one of the group chats that I'm in,
Speaker 2: you know, I was like, oh shit, the super Bowl
Speaker 2: halftime show is about to start, and there was just
Speaker 2: shit talk. So I was like fuck because I wanted
Speaker 2: somebody else like Isaac why Stop savvy Ish to be
Speaker 2: watching at the same time as me, you know, because
Speaker 2: I fucking was able to point out all kinds of
Speaker 2: shit while it was happening. And I'm glad that the
Speaker 2: so called pros that break this shit down. I watched
Speaker 2: a lot of their videos and they hit a lot
Speaker 2: of the same things that I did. I need to
Speaker 2: start making more videos, man, because I I see things
Speaker 2: that people aren't talking about in their videos, and I
Speaker 2: that's what I should do, because the Super Bowl halftime
Speaker 2: show had more in it to me than any of them.
Speaker 2: There was so many things going on at play this year.
Speaker 2: It was fucking crazy and I haven't been able to
Speaker 2: break down all of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And normally when it comes to things like that,
Speaker 1: the only ones I've watched in the last few years
Speaker 1: is because, like I got asked to cover it. But
Speaker 1: normally I haven't actually watched like anything like that. In
Speaker 1: a minute, you know, like even like the Olympics, I
Speaker 1: unfortunately had to watch because I got asked the covert,
Speaker 1: you know, and then there was like some other when
Speaker 1: you remember that guy Sam something came out like well
Speaker 1: fucking you know, acting old gay and shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to cover that because uh guy from
Speaker 1: Infinite Fringe, Billy Ray, is reed to cover. It's like
Speaker 1: those I only really seen any of them because I
Speaker 1: got in the covered. I only haven't watched it.
Speaker 2: I found it very interesting that the ones that you
Speaker 2: just mentioned the main theme, like the Weekend, the one
Speaker 2: that you had just mentioned.
Speaker 4: I could see that too. Yes, I did watch that too.
Speaker 2: It was all black and red, you know, Like for
Speaker 2: the past four years, I would say I'd go out
Speaker 2: on a limb and say, at least the past three
Speaker 2: years has been black even and this year it was
Speaker 2: it was red, white, and blue. Donald Trump was in attendance,
Speaker 2: the first time that a sitting president was in attendance
Speaker 2: at a super Bowl even though they I from what
Speaker 2: I watched, I only watched like from five minutes before
Speaker 2: halftime and then the rest, but they never even fucking
Speaker 2: put the camera on him. So and I thought that
Speaker 2: was fucking weird. But shows like it had had Samuel L.
Speaker 2: Jackson playing Uncle Sam and Kendrick Lamar was the the
Speaker 2: act and it wasn't a bunch of people. It was
Speaker 2: fucking Kendrick Lamar. He had one girl come out for
Speaker 2: like a quarter of a song and then she went
Speaker 2: back and he it was orchestrated. Bro, this full is
Speaker 2: an artistic genius. He's a fucking genius. Kendrick Lamar is
Speaker 2: and Davey Wavy from Red Pill dude, fuck you, fuck you, dude,
Speaker 2: I love you to death, but fuck you. In this
Speaker 2: group chat, he's like, oh man, they'll just let any
Speaker 2: SoundCloud rapper have a fucking super Bowl appearance these days,
Speaker 2: And I was like, nah, dude, fuck that, Like that's
Speaker 2: I know you're super into heavy metal. How pissed off
Speaker 2: do you get when people are like, oh, anybody could
Speaker 2: just yell into a microphone. So here you go, buddy,
Speaker 2: like break down. What the fuck this guy did is incredible.
Speaker 2: First off, he called Drake a fucking pedophile and is
Speaker 2: getting sued, but live on air with millions of people
Speaker 2: watching the biggest fucking event TV event of the year
Speaker 2: called called Drake a pedophile, called out pedophiles in general,
Speaker 2: and it said game over at the end of it.
Speaker 2: He had PlayStation controller symbols on the stage that he
Speaker 2: was on and he would walk to each symbol and
Speaker 2: fucking the the combination that he walked on the buttons
Speaker 2: is the cheat code on Grand Theft Auto for Invincible
Speaker 2: and Untouchable Yo, yeah yo. And what else it was?
Speaker 2: It was It was seemingly a pro America thing, but
Speaker 2: it was also it was also how black entertainers and
Speaker 2: you could just put this as entertainers in general. If
Speaker 2: you start to get out of line, Uncle sam comes
Speaker 2: in and tells you, hey, you better play by the rules.
Speaker 2: Because that kept happening, he would start to go in
Speaker 2: on some ship and then Samuel l would come in
Speaker 2: as uncle Sam and be like play by the rules, motherfucker.
Speaker 2: You don't know how to play the game. And you know,
Speaker 2: like there was that message in there, and there was
Speaker 2: so much going on, bro, there was so much going
Speaker 2: on in that. It was the turning. It was. It
Speaker 2: was like the fuck you and fall of the entertainment
Speaker 2: industry that we see right now, the bringing of a
Speaker 2: new one even though he's part of the old and
Speaker 2: coming in with the new.
Speaker 1: But Teresa did tell me there was actually multiple jebs
Speaker 1: that Drake I think she said, even somebody that was
Speaker 1: dancing or was in the performances, like it was an
Speaker 1: ex or something. I mean, accusations to him too. So
Speaker 1: there was like a little things.
Speaker 2: Done to the girl. The girl that was singing was
Speaker 2: his ex.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah that's what.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Recently to Technic something to say like, Yo, they
Speaker 1: fucking Drake too. I find that interesting because like, uh,
Speaker 1: I wonder if they picked Drake purposely because he's Canadian.
Speaker 4: I wonder if that's like America is telling Canada to
Speaker 4: go fuck off.
Speaker 2: I thought we were trying to absorb them.
Speaker 1: That whole situation half another, but to come out and
Speaker 1: say I'm just not gonna give them money, so then
Speaker 1: they basically have to collapse to us.
Speaker 4: It's kind of fucked up, but I know whatever, I.
Speaker 2: Mean, you don't conquer other countries by being nice.
Speaker 1: No, I know, but it's just like, well, I mean,
Speaker 1: so if they don't want to give in, we're just
Speaker 1: gonna fuck them over until they say yes.
Speaker 4: That's just kind of fucked up too, you know what
Speaker 4: I'm getting it.
Speaker 2: Nobody is putting this together. It's like Trump wants to
Speaker 2: be Napoleon, but without being Napoleon. He's like, we're gonna go,
Speaker 2: We're gonna expand tear started talking about other people's fucking countries. Bro,
Speaker 2: That's what that means.
Speaker 1: When he started talking about the countries over the United Kingdom,
Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, is this any different than World War Two?
Speaker 2: Now? No, it's not it.
Speaker 1: I was like, Yo, this is fucking crazy. I mean,
Speaker 1: I try not to even get into it too much
Speaker 1: because that's just like what.
Speaker 2: I'm hey, I'm here for it, though, I'm fucking here
Speaker 2: for it. I Like, we live in the coolest fucking
Speaker 2: time ever, bro. Like we they're poison in us more
Speaker 2: than they've ever poisoned us, but at the same time,
Speaker 2: they're being exposed from poisoning in US. They have all
Speaker 2: this corruption going on, and it's it's not more corruption
Speaker 2: than ever, it's just being exposed more than ever. But
Speaker 2: at the same time, it's all being exposed so they
Speaker 2: can usher in the new system that's gonna fucking bend
Speaker 2: us over, and it's fucking beautiful and I'm here for it.
Speaker 4: I've thought that too.
Speaker 1: I'm like, Yo, it's like, is there any pointy even
Speaker 1: getting upseick because I'm like this, this doesn't sound like
Speaker 1: the But I'm like, do we really have a fucking
Speaker 1: choice in the matter anyway, because then i'd ask you
Speaker 1: us when they do these things.
Speaker 2: We don't and all these lately they don't feel like
Speaker 2: wins to me, So if there must be strings attached
Speaker 2: to them, I should be excited that RFK Junior just
Speaker 2: got voted in yesterday, right, because now we're going to
Speaker 2: get healthy food, are we? I don't know, they're just
Speaker 2: going to repackage the lies.
Speaker 4: Probably yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh U sad the US said is no longer fucking
Speaker 2: able to to do their scams now, Okay, cool, We're
Speaker 2: just gonna package it under something else.
Speaker 1: The one thing that I didn't I mean, you know
Speaker 1: worries me and I don't think it's going to go
Speaker 1: to this extent, but is a possibility. I do think
Speaker 1: that if RFK was to start deeming certain companies like
Speaker 1: you're putting out fucked up shit, there's certain laws, I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, if there's certain things that have
Speaker 1: to be done. But like, I think the government can
Speaker 1: actually take over the company and say that they need
Speaker 1: to fix it. So I'm like, I really hope this
Speaker 1: isn't a reason to start doing that. And all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, now all the food that were being given
Speaker 1: that supposes healthier now is actually from the government.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a scary fucking thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if we'll go that
Speaker 1: to that in that direction, but I'm like.
Speaker 4: You could.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you straight away if he's making a difference
Speaker 2: or not here within the next couple of months. Because
Speaker 2: where I work and we put shit tons of poison
Speaker 2: in people's food drinks.
Speaker 4: Changes there, I know nothing's happening.
Speaker 2: So yeah, if nothing changes, nothing's changing. Ship the ship
Speaker 2: that we put on there, like we have to wear
Speaker 2: gloves and masks and shit, so we don't breathe it
Speaker 2: in and it doesn't get on our skin. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: why are we putting this in juice?
Speaker 4: Yo?
Speaker 2: There was a lot of shit says flammable. I'm like,
Speaker 2: I get it. You know, people drink alcohol that's flammable,
Speaker 2: but like, this is juice. Why are we putting ammable
Speaker 2: shit in juice?
Speaker 1: Right? Light up a cigarette after you took a fucking drink.
Speaker 2: And you know most of these, most of these smoothie
Speaker 2: drinks that people get or like you know, like naked
Speaker 2: drinks and ship and you think that it's like actual
Speaker 2: real fruit and and blended up. And that's why it's thick. No,
Speaker 2: it's thick because they put this ship called tickums in it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've heard of that.
Speaker 2: It's this powder and then when it gets wet, it
Speaker 2: turns into this fucking gooey, slimy snot shit, and it
Speaker 2: has to mix, and it has to mix just perfectly
Speaker 2: or else it fucks up the entire batch. And that's
Speaker 2: what gives everything. It's thickness. It's not because you're drinking
Speaker 2: like blended fruits. Nope, you're you're drinking crap.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're actually tossing some sort of powder in there
Speaker 1: to give the thickness to it. Yep, I've seen that.
Speaker 2: It sucks, man, It sucks finding out the truth because
Speaker 2: I already know everything that we eat as shit. And
Speaker 2: but you know, some of these things you think are
Speaker 2: healthy for you, and it's just as fucked, if not
Speaker 2: more fucked. So I say, drink water and coffee, you know,
Speaker 2: stick to ship, you know, make your own tea like
Speaker 2: I don't even trust fucking tea brands. Lipton is. Lipton
Speaker 2: is a Jewish owned company. You know, it's gooyslop in
Speaker 2: one way or another. That's what they call the ship
Speaker 2: that they feed us. Bro that it started with McDonald's.
Speaker 4: That's oh. I have a feeling reading some real shit
Speaker 4: food with that.
Speaker 2: Toy ship that they wouldn't eat themselves. It's not kosher,
Speaker 2: but they manufacture, make it and make us eat it. Yeah,
Speaker 2: fucked up. I'm not trying to be anti Semitic here
Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form, but you know, if
Speaker 2: it walks like a duck, I'm calling it the fuck out.
Speaker 2: It's probably average everyday Jewish friend, you know. It's these
Speaker 2: top power hungry motherfuckers that just happened to be Jewish
Speaker 2: and happen to be doing this for a reason, because
Speaker 2: they have they have an agenda at play here, and
Speaker 2: they're trying to fulfill their own prophecies. And while they're
Speaker 2: doing it, fuck us because we're just going we're nothing
Speaker 2: to them. They have to kill us eventually.
Speaker 4: So goes with the food drugs might just.
Speaker 2: Start killing us slowly now, profiting off of it. And
Speaker 2: that's the world we live in. Maybe that evil person
Speaker 2: was onto something after all.
Speaker 4: I think they were.
Speaker 2: Unfortunately you didn't hear it here first, folks. They've been
Speaker 2: trying to tell you for fucking ever.
Speaker 4: Oh they put the ingredients on the bank.
Speaker 2: And you know what's fucked up, though, is they'll say, oh, no,
Speaker 2: we don't do that anymore, and then they'll just change
Speaker 2: the name of something, or they'll tweak the formula of
Speaker 2: it so it's called something different. But still you're getting
Speaker 2: the same fucking poison. You know, I just had a
Speaker 2: heartbreak because I was not getting deodorance that had aluminum
Speaker 2: in it. We'll come to find out that the deodorants
Speaker 2: that don't have aluminum in it have this other ingredient
Speaker 2: that's added into it that's just as fucked up for
Speaker 2: you as putting the aluminum on your fucking body. So
Speaker 2: now I'm just like, you know what, fuck it, I'm
Speaker 2: just going to be a hippie and fucking douse myself
Speaker 2: with Petruli oil so that nobody can smell my stank.
Speaker 4: There you go, there go.
Speaker 1: I didn't know that because i've actually I will buy
Speaker 1: I have done that before, so I guess I realized
Speaker 1: I wasn't basically buying the same shit.
Speaker 4: That's funny.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and yeah, you'll have to look up and see
Speaker 2: what it is. I think I even heard No, it
Speaker 2: wasn't Ryan, but I heard another podcaster talk about it too,
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, he saw the same video
Speaker 2: I saw, probably, but yeah, man, I would check it out.
Speaker 2: I used Doctor Squatch and I thought it was good.
Speaker 2: Until now it's being sold in Walmart. So I'm suspicious.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Walmart.
Speaker 2: I think it scares me. Anything that goes through Walmart,
Speaker 2: is it you? It gets bought out by a bigger
Speaker 2: company to be able to be distributed at Walmart. It's
Speaker 2: that's just how it works. You think you're getting these
Speaker 2: little brands that are offshoot, but really it's like fucking
Speaker 2: Coca Cola bought out that company that you think is
Speaker 2: organic you know. Oh, that's just how the game is played, brother.
Speaker 2: But so, I mean, maybe you can do a magic
Speaker 2: spell to where we're not eating fucked up shit anymore.
Speaker 2: I don't even think we're eating We have ever eaten
Speaker 2: real food, honestly, like, unless we've killed it and eaten it,
Speaker 2: because cows are not natural. They've actually been bred for
Speaker 2: us to slaughter. Yeah, it's it's not a natural animal.
Speaker 2: I saw a video that blew me away the other day.
Speaker 2: The guys like, you've never you've never had a real banana.
Speaker 4: And you see what those seeds look like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're like little they look like little testicles
Speaker 2: a real banana too. Yeah, no, no, the little they
Speaker 2: look like they're like this, not like shafts.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Don't they even have like huge seeds in them actually too,
Speaker 1: like in the middle.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, and they have huge seeds. And then a
Speaker 2: banana is more like a plantain than an actual banana. Yes,
Speaker 2: And plantains are fucking bomb as fuck fried with a
Speaker 2: little bit of sugar on him, brown sugar. Oh man,
Speaker 2: I wish I could make those now, dude, they are
Speaker 2: so good. Or drizzle a little bit of maple syrup
Speaker 2: on top of it. Huh yeah, that's baller.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna make one.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna make something like this this weekend if I can.
Speaker 2: Good and healthy at the same time. Replace that plantain
Speaker 2: with maple syrup over your nightly ice cream or whatever
Speaker 2: it is you know.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that would definitely be a better choice than
Speaker 1: the ice cream.
Speaker 2: All right, brother, well and casting a magic spell over everybody.
Speaker 2: Everybody sure that you say your prayers and get rid
Speaker 2: of over us, not just playing.
Speaker 1: It's just the banishing rituals. But thank you very much.
Speaker 1: I don't uh, I just thought it might be interesting
Speaker 1: for people to even understand like what goes on, like
Speaker 1: you know, again and again. That would be something that
Speaker 1: would probably be used by most secret societies and orders,
Speaker 1: you know, especially the ot O, the Golden Dorn and
Speaker 1: I even do think eventually when the Freemasons screw around
Speaker 1: with that and uh, just real quick. It is also
Speaker 1: thought that their original Pentagram ritual might have been influenced
Speaker 1: by Elvis Levy, So really yeah, there too.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we in Mercury retrograde right now or some ship,
Speaker 2: because I've this is not a joke, bro. I have
Speaker 2: had two exes hit me up in the past two
Speaker 2: days and I'm like, why on the fuck is this
Speaker 2: on my.
Speaker 4: Phone right now? Where I don't know he could be.
Speaker 1: I mean so busy lately, I haven't really been able
Speaker 1: to like look at much stuff. But normally what it is,
Speaker 1: you will see people in the occult community using it
Speaker 1: as an excuse for everything. And I haven't noticed anything
Speaker 1: about Mercury Richard Grade. I don't think we're I'm in
Speaker 1: one now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. No, Maybe it's just because I put out that
Speaker 2: I was accepting applications. Some some old employees realized that
Speaker 2: they wanted their job back. You have on Oh please,
Speaker 2: where can everybody go find your amazing work?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, the the occult Rejects that is on bit shoot, rumble,
Speaker 1: YouTube and all major podcasts. And we do have a
Speaker 1: cult research institute dot org. Go check that out. A
Speaker 1: bunch of different contributors, a bunch of different stuff on
Speaker 1: their different topics, a lot of informational stuff if you
Speaker 1: don't mind reading. It's very you know, very read. You
Speaker 1: know a lot of a lot of reading. If you
Speaker 1: want to check that site out, just let you know now.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you can find everything.
Speaker 2: You guys do talk about them as well.
Speaker 1: Right, Some of yeah, there is a lot of things
Speaker 1: that are on the site that actually is uh stuff
Speaker 1: that we've copied, We've covered like some of it, believe
Speaker 1: it or not, is our on certain books or people
Speaker 1: specific people. It literally is like the notes that we
Speaker 1: used from the show, and it's like right now, yeah,
Speaker 1: right nowt on the on the site now yeah, yeah, perfect, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there is there's a video of some people are just
Speaker 1: saying there's there's a lot of stuff like when it
Speaker 1: comes to like certain books or occult is from the past,
Speaker 1: that's all reading. Basically, me and Lisa pretty much roll all.
Speaker 4: That shit out.
Speaker 2: I can't read anymore, bro, Like, I just can't because
Speaker 2: I don't have time. And I tried to make it
Speaker 2: a point to read at least a half an hour
Speaker 2: before bed every night, but I'm wiping myself out to
Speaker 2: the point where i don't even get past the first
Speaker 2: page and I'm already sleeping. So I just quit trying.
Speaker 2: So now, if if somebody wants me to read something,
Speaker 2: it's got to.
Speaker 1: Be audio man and speed halfway there with an audiobook.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's awesome, bro, Really it sounds like, oh well,
Speaker 2: I mean that would be a fun job. I think
Speaker 2: if I could read shit out loud and be a
Speaker 2: voice for an audiobook. I don't know if people well shit.
Speaker 2: I have a podcast and people listen to me, so maybe.
Speaker 2: But anyways, brother, thank you for coming on. That was
Speaker 2: very interesting and I still have no idea what it
Speaker 2: is that you just did, but it was fucking awesome.
Speaker 2: And you guys, you guys that are just listening, go
Speaker 2: check this out on rock Finn and it'll make a
Speaker 2: lot more sense because he is Italian and did a
Speaker 2: lot of hand movements. I'm not sure if you really
Speaker 2: are Italian, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I did do a lot of the movements,
Speaker 1: so people could go see whatever, you know what I'm
Speaker 1: doing visually, So go check that out.
Speaker 2: Yes, and you're doing yourself a disservice if not. And brother,
Speaker 2: I am going to shoot this over to you so
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