WEBVTT 1 00:00:18.399 --> 00:00:20.399 Well, hey, how you do it. I'm gonna have a seat. 2 00:00:20.440 --> 00:00:25.640 Let's talk a little bit. I have to consider Earth 3 00:00:25.679 --> 00:00:30.480 Lanes very arrogant, especially the scientists of our planet. And 4 00:00:30.559 --> 00:00:34.079 I say this because other than the UFO community, which 5 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:39.640 many people claim are crazy individuals and are seeing things, 6 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:44.280 none of our scientists are, you know, except for a handful, 7 00:00:44.479 --> 00:00:48.280 are even considering that there's other civilizations that are in 8 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:54.439 our cosmos, in our close to us in any manner whatsoever, 9 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:59.560 and that there's no you know, space, there's no aircraft, 10 00:00:59.640 --> 00:01:04.120 there's no spacecraft, there's nothing that is interacting with Earth 11 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:08.799 Lanes at all. And given them amount of star systems 12 00:01:09.280 --> 00:01:15.439 and habitable plants that there are in our neighborhood with 13 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:21.239 likely civilizations, to consider us the only one in our 14 00:01:21.879 --> 00:01:27.400 solar system, it's just crazy. And I'm presenting this thought 15 00:01:27.799 --> 00:01:30.439 to you because my guest today is doctor av Loebe, 16 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:36.560 who is returning to the program to discuss his decipherment 17 00:01:37.239 --> 00:01:41.920 analysis of what he believes was a crash probe in 18 00:01:42.120 --> 00:01:46.439 the Pacific Ocean off the islands of New Guinea approximately 19 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:50.840 the year was approximately twenty ten, and he gets so 20 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:56.159 much gruff for this from his contemporaries from others in 21 00:01:56.439 --> 00:02:02.879 this field of astronomy, and it just flabbergasted me, because 22 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:05.359 you know, it's like no one has any creativity anymore, 23 00:02:05.359 --> 00:02:08.599 no one has any consideration of other thoughts. I mean we, 24 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:13.039 I mean, we've been looking for evidence of ets for 25 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:17.879 decades and I think in many cases it's just under 26 00:02:18.240 --> 00:02:22.840 our nose in the form of probes. This is what 27 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:25.120 lobes all about. And we've had them on the show 28 00:02:25.120 --> 00:02:32.560 a number of times, UAPs which are here currently, and 29 00:02:32.599 --> 00:02:37.680 this is another huge question. Are they hiding in volcanoes? 30 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:41.800 Are they under the ocean. There's a whole phenomenon of 31 00:02:41.960 --> 00:02:45.479 UAP's UFOs coming out of the ocean. And then, of 32 00:02:45.520 --> 00:02:47.879 course the other side of it is when we had 33 00:02:48.560 --> 00:02:53.879 Marion Rednick on the program, he had actually seen and 34 00:02:54.039 --> 00:03:00.840 had heard about UAPs coming through various stargates where some 35 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:07.199 through some kind of an energy exchange. The there's an opening, 36 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:11.000 the craft flies through it and it's shot off into 37 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:16.680 another location within a few seconds. But it's too it's 38 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:20.280 too fantastic we've gotten. And I'm not talking about me, 39 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:22.520 because you guys know where I'm at on this stuff. 40 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:26.560 I'm looking for more openness. I'm looking for more access 41 00:03:26.719 --> 00:03:30.319 to this data. I think they They're all over the place. 42 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:34.439 I think that our government not only is covering this up, 43 00:03:34.439 --> 00:03:37.639 I think they're scared shitless. I think they are so 44 00:03:37.840 --> 00:03:41.800 overwhelmed with these UAPs. And now what do we get 45 00:03:41.800 --> 00:03:44.639 in New Jersey, on the and on the Eastern Seaboard. 46 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:48.759 We get very advanced drones. And some people are saying, no, 47 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:52.319 those are Chinese droneses are of American, These are European drones. 48 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:52.800 No way. 49 00:03:53.400 --> 00:03:58.159 Some of these drones. Drones have extremely sophisticated propulsion systems 50 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:00.599 and they can do all kinds of weird things that 51 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:03.360 look more like a UFO or UAP than they do 52 00:04:04.159 --> 00:04:07.919 a drone. But what I'm trying to say is for 53 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:12.599 our scientific community to just summarily dismiss this is a 54 00:04:12.719 --> 00:04:17.439 huge mistake, and it's arrogant. It's tremendously arrogant, and it 55 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:20.800 really really bothers me. And so today we're going to 56 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:26.199 talk about not only interstellar probes to Earth. We're gonna 57 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:29.199 talk about evidence of space junk. And this is another 58 00:04:29.279 --> 00:04:34.480 topic that is routinely discussed in any of av Loab's books. 59 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:37.839 If you saw, if you read Extraterrestrial, if you read 60 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:43.480 his first book, Interstellar. He talks about space junk and 61 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:48.000 how a civilization perhaps a billion years old, broke up 62 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:52.160 or they sent probes out and the probes, their propulsion 63 00:04:52.199 --> 00:04:57.600 systems faded and they're just floating probes and stuff like 64 00:04:57.639 --> 00:05:00.120 we would consider plastics and things like that, but in 65 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:03.800 the case of an advanced culture would probably be exotic 66 00:05:03.920 --> 00:05:10.199 metals or exotic composites of some kind that were resilient 67 00:05:10.319 --> 00:05:16.920 to you know, vacuum, the vacuumust air, vacuumus space. So 68 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:23.319 but you know, I'm just disappointed and those who in 69 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:27.279 the scientific community who branch out people like doctor John Mack, 70 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:31.720 who I knew through the various events that talks he 71 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:36.319 gave in San Francisco. This is a guy who's a 72 00:05:36.519 --> 00:05:43.720 classically trained Harvard psychiatrist, doctor John Mack, and he was 73 00:05:43.800 --> 00:05:49.720 so fascinated when he encountered a number of patients who 74 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:54.079 claimed to have contact with aliens, and in this case 75 00:05:54.160 --> 00:05:57.319 it was abductions. They were removed from their beds, their homes, 76 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:01.279 in some cases their cars, brought up into a craft 77 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:07.319 and examined. And for a long time, many many years 78 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:11.279 after that book, deduc did people were freaking out that 79 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:14.839 this is something that was a horrible traumatic experience. Well 80 00:06:15.839 --> 00:06:18.600 it is somewhat of a traumatic experience, but what John 81 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:24.399 Mack was able to report in his study is that 82 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.040 many of these people had very positive experience and that 83 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:31.319 the offer Wall types of the ets, the aliens, if 84 00:06:31.360 --> 00:06:34.519 you want to call them, that, actually were very forward 85 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:38.079 in their presentation and in their greeting and in their 86 00:06:38.480 --> 00:06:42.040 meetings with these people and let them know that what 87 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:46.759 they were doing was benefiting a higher good. And then 88 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:49.360 in some cases they were given some information about where 89 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:54.759 their star system was, how the crafts worked, things like that. 90 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:59.600 And so we don't hear about this unless you are 91 00:06:59.680 --> 00:07:04.360 seeking it. It's very rarely in the news. The government 92 00:07:04.600 --> 00:07:08.839 is totally perplexed on what to do about this. And 93 00:07:08.879 --> 00:07:14.279 again I started this stream of consciousness by stating that 94 00:07:15.600 --> 00:07:17.839 I think the government I'm talking about the United States 95 00:07:17.920 --> 00:07:21.920 government and likely European government as well, are overwhelmed with this. 96 00:07:23.279 --> 00:07:25.519 They cannot they don't know what to do about it, 97 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:28.680 and there's no way around it. They are faced with 98 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:33.560 it to the point now where they've been squelching it 99 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:37.920 for so many decades and covering it up that I 100 00:07:37.959 --> 00:07:41.040 think at some point It's just, you know, our brothers 101 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:44.759 and sisters from whatever planetary system are just going to say, hey, 102 00:07:44.879 --> 00:07:48.800 we are here, this is our craft. We come from 103 00:07:48.920 --> 00:07:51.920 planet X and so forth and so on. I mean, 104 00:07:51.920 --> 00:07:55.040 that's pretty simplistic, but why not. 105 00:07:56.079 --> 00:07:56.439 Why not? 106 00:07:56.560 --> 00:07:59.160 Remember we've had a number of guests on this program 107 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:03.120 who have been talking about what the Department of Defense, 108 00:08:03.639 --> 00:08:06.120 what NASA has done over the years, and that is 109 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:11.959 to ask priests, rabbis, and others in the religious sector 110 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:16.959 what their opinion would be if there was a first contact, 111 00:08:17.000 --> 00:08:19.439 if there was a revelation that there are aliens that 112 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:21.480 are here, that they want to get to know us 113 00:08:21.519 --> 00:08:23.839 better and they want to welcome us to their collective. 114 00:08:24.720 --> 00:08:30.240 Why ask priests? Why ask people from a dying organization 115 00:08:30.399 --> 00:08:33.480 known as the church? Why don't you talk to somebody 116 00:08:33.600 --> 00:08:37.600 who is in social media, somebody who is in the 117 00:08:37.639 --> 00:08:42.240 face of the of the of the millions of people 118 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:48.600 you know, do a survey, Ask ask Facebook, ask Instagram, 119 00:08:48.679 --> 00:08:51.840 ask Yahoo. What do you think? How would you react, 120 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:54.159 what would your opinion be, what would you how would 121 00:08:54.200 --> 00:08:58.919 you feel? Anyhow, we are going to explore this question 122 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:08.039 of extraterrestrial interstellar probes orbiting Earth now crashing through our atmosphere, 123 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:12.679 burning up and being collected. And we'll hear details from 124 00:09:12.759 --> 00:09:16.480 doctor Lobe today on that and also the question of 125 00:09:17.240 --> 00:09:22.639 first contact. 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He is 156 00:11:56.039 --> 00:11:59.720 the author of Extraterrestrial, a fascinating book that we discussed 157 00:11:59.759 --> 00:12:02.879 a few years ago. He followed that up with a 158 00:12:02.919 --> 00:12:07.720 wonderful second book, which was called Interstellar, and we're gonna 159 00:12:07.759 --> 00:12:10.559 learn a little bit about that. Also, the Omaha maua 160 00:12:11.120 --> 00:12:17.919 fragment or object that was cited off of our our planet. 161 00:12:18.840 --> 00:12:21.639 We discussed a great deal about that and what we 162 00:12:21.679 --> 00:12:24.159 were going to talk about today is also a fascinating 163 00:12:24.159 --> 00:12:26.600 but I want to first before I do that, bring 164 00:12:27.159 --> 00:12:29.960 alv in. Alvi, great to see you again. Welcome back 165 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:32.080 to Earth, Ancients. 166 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:34.200 Thanks for having me. In fact, I just signed a 167 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:37.559 contract with MIT Press. I'm working on my next book 168 00:12:37.600 --> 00:12:40.639 which will be about the expedition that we will discuss 169 00:12:41.440 --> 00:12:44.600 to retrieve the materials from the crash site of the 170 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:46.240 first interstellar meteor. 171 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:52.480 Wonderful, wonderful. Okay, let let's get right into it. This 172 00:12:53.120 --> 00:12:58.759 meteor hit the ocean in twenty fourteen in the Pacific Ocean, 173 00:12:58.799 --> 00:13:04.840 in the New Guinea region of the ocean. So when 174 00:13:04.840 --> 00:13:08.080 we left off, you were looking for the fans to 175 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:12.399 do a analysis. You're going to dredge the bottom, give us 176 00:13:12.440 --> 00:13:15.879 the highlights. Let's get into it. What happened. 177 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:18.720 Well, first thing is I had a zoom call with 178 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:23.000 chars Hoskinson and he said you have the money and 179 00:13:23.039 --> 00:13:25.440 that was one and a half million dollars needed to 180 00:13:25.480 --> 00:13:26.360 do the expeditions. 181 00:13:26.440 --> 00:13:29.240 Well then a half million dollars to do the dredging. 182 00:13:30.200 --> 00:13:33.720 Yeah, because we had to spend two weeks on site. 183 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:40.000 The location was identified by US government CENSORCES. The fireball 184 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:42.960 that released about one percent of the Hiroshima atomic bomb 185 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:46.480 energy when an object roughly half a meter in size 186 00:13:46.919 --> 00:13:50.279 collided with Earth at a very high speed. And the 187 00:13:50.320 --> 00:13:54.080 reason that it was interesting for US is because the 188 00:13:55.360 --> 00:13:58.519 velocity of this object was so large relative to the 189 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.360 Sun that it was not bound by gravity to the 190 00:14:01.360 --> 00:14:04.919 Solar System. It came from outside the Solar System, and 191 00:14:04.960 --> 00:14:09.320 therefore it's the first recognized interstellar meteor. It appeared in 192 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:14.600 a catalog that NASA compiles of meteors that the US 193 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:19.639 government sensors on satellites identify because the US is trying 194 00:14:19.679 --> 00:14:23.200 to monitor any launch of ballistic missiles from the heat 195 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:26.200 that they generate. But every now and then there is 196 00:14:26.200 --> 00:14:30.320 an object that produces an explosion, and in fact, every 197 00:14:30.440 --> 00:14:33.679 year there is an object the size of a person 198 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:39.559 that collides with Earth and results in an atomic explosion 199 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:42.919 in our atmosphere, basically as much energy as released by 200 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:47.200 the Hiroshima bomb, and we don't talk about it. It 201 00:14:47.200 --> 00:14:50.919 doesn't appear in the news because those explosions usually happen 202 00:14:51.080 --> 00:14:54.759 high at a very high altitude, and they don't damage 203 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:57.559 anything on the ground, and you know, most of the 204 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:00.960 time they occur above the oceans, twenty one percent of 205 00:15:01.000 --> 00:15:04.200 the surface of the Earth is not. But in this 206 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:09.519 case the object was exploded only twenty kilometers above the 207 00:15:09.519 --> 00:15:15.360 ocean surface, and that meant that it was unusually tough, 208 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:20.519 tougher than all other meteors reported in the NASA catalog, 209 00:15:20.639 --> 00:15:24.000 hundreds of them, and moreover, even outside the Solar System. 210 00:15:24.240 --> 00:15:27.519 It was moving at sixty kilometers per second, faster than 211 00:15:27.799 --> 00:15:30.639 ninety five percent of the stars in the vicinity of 212 00:15:30.679 --> 00:15:33.879 the Sun. And so I was wondering whether it's a 213 00:15:34.000 --> 00:15:40.120 voyager like meteor or you know. On January second this year, 214 00:15:40.240 --> 00:15:44.919 twenty twenty five, an amateur astronomer recognized a point of 215 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:49.559 light coming close to Earth and classified it as a 216 00:15:49.639 --> 00:15:54.120 near Earth object, an asteroid. And as soon as that 217 00:15:54.279 --> 00:15:58.559 was reported, a few scientists realize, actually, this object has 218 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:02.600 the orbital parameters of the Tesla Roads, the car that 219 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:07.200 Elon Musk launched in twenty eighteen as a dummy payload 220 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:10.360 on the Falcon Heavy. So it was not an asteroid. 221 00:16:10.440 --> 00:16:15.840 It was actually a technological object the car, and maybe 222 00:16:15.879 --> 00:16:19.799 this meteor from a decade ago was also technological, maybe 223 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:23.039 some space trash. So I wanted to check that. So 224 00:16:23.679 --> 00:16:26.759 I announced our intention to go on an expedition, and 225 00:16:26.799 --> 00:16:30.879 then came the funding and we had an exceptional team 226 00:16:31.320 --> 00:16:35.559 on a ship called the Silver Star that we stopped. 227 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:40.600 You one second, a can you explain why we should 228 00:16:40.679 --> 00:16:45.480 care about what you defined as an interstellar object versus 229 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:51.519 just a meteor that we must be bombarded constantly by meteors? 230 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:55.360 This is interstellar, which is a whole different definition. Give 231 00:16:55.440 --> 00:16:57.480 us a little background. 232 00:16:56.960 --> 00:17:01.639 On that, right, So, never before was an object colliding 233 00:17:01.639 --> 00:17:05.079 with Earth identified as coming from outside the Solar System, 234 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:09.680 because I mean, we are bombarded by rocks from the 235 00:17:09.720 --> 00:17:13.039 main asteroid belt. You know, there is a region of 236 00:17:13.079 --> 00:17:16.079 the Solar System where there are plenty of rocks leftover 237 00:17:16.759 --> 00:17:20.839 from the formation of the time of the Solar System, 238 00:17:20.839 --> 00:17:27.039 but also as a result of collisions among various proto planets. 239 00:17:27.400 --> 00:17:29.720 And then we see that in fact, with the web 240 00:17:29.759 --> 00:17:34.720 telescope very recently, rocks all the way down to ten 241 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:39.680 meters were identified just from the heat that they emit 242 00:17:40.079 --> 00:17:43.240 with the web telescope that is extremely sensitive, and so 243 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:47.400 we see this reservoir of rocks in our backyard. It's 244 00:17:47.519 --> 00:17:51.240 just like when you own a home, you have a backyard. 245 00:17:51.880 --> 00:17:54.480 Sometimes if you're not in a city and you can 246 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:57.359 find rocks there, so we have that as part of 247 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:00.680 the Solar System. These are familiar objects and they are 248 00:18:01.079 --> 00:18:05.359 triggering every now and then a meteor appearance in our 249 00:18:05.400 --> 00:18:08.240 sky when they collide with Earth as the Earth moves 250 00:18:08.240 --> 00:18:12.839 around the Sun. So these are regular occurrences. What was 251 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:15.599 specially about this one is the object was moving so 252 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:19.119 fast relative to the Sun that it cannot be bound 253 00:18:19.160 --> 00:18:22.359 to the Solar System. It must have arrived from outside 254 00:18:22.440 --> 00:18:25.480 because gravity is not strong enough for the Sun to 255 00:18:25.640 --> 00:18:29.160 trap it. And so that was the first time we 256 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:33.839 noticed a meteor reported with such a high speed, and 257 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:38.119 I wanted to check whether it's potentially technological in origin. 258 00:18:38.319 --> 00:18:42.279 Just imagine voyager leaving the Solar System and eventually colliding 259 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:46.240 with another planet. It would appear as a meteor. So 260 00:18:46.319 --> 00:18:50.160 we went there and we used the sled with magnets 261 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:52.640 on both sides. We placed it on the ocean floor, 262 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:56.319 which is about a mile deep at that location, and 263 00:18:56.400 --> 00:19:00.359 then we went back and forth twenty six times across 264 00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:04.839 the region of about seven miles where the explosion took place. 265 00:19:05.319 --> 00:19:10.240 And then we recovered magnetic particles that were very different 266 00:19:10.400 --> 00:19:15.519 from the background sand, and then looked like molten droplets 267 00:19:15.880 --> 00:19:19.640 potentially from a meteor, eight hundred and fifty of them, 268 00:19:20.240 --> 00:19:24.960 and I brought the materials back to the laboratory of 269 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:29.200 my colleague at Harvard University is stein Jacobson, and we 270 00:19:29.279 --> 00:19:32.880 also analyzed them at the Brooker Corporation in Berlin with 271 00:19:33.000 --> 00:19:37.759 an X ray fluorescence analyzer. But at any event, in 272 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:42.519 stein Jacobson's lab, we studied the composition, the chemical composition 273 00:19:42.599 --> 00:19:46.720 of those spherals, and we found that eighty percent of 274 00:19:46.759 --> 00:19:51.039 them belonged to materials from the solar system that was 275 00:19:51.279 --> 00:19:57.759 seen before, but then twenty percent looked different. And then 276 00:19:57.839 --> 00:20:02.440 out of those half have a chemical composition that does 277 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:07.960 not resemble solar system materials. And those are the ones 278 00:20:08.000 --> 00:20:12.079 that we flagged as potentially from outside the solar system. 279 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:17.559 They had a very high abundance of beryllium, lanthanum, uranium, 280 00:20:18.480 --> 00:20:24.759 and then we call them Belao spherals or fragments. And 281 00:20:25.000 --> 00:20:28.400 what we are planning to do next I just met 282 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:34.880 with stein Jacobson in his research assistant Eugenia Young, and 283 00:20:35.319 --> 00:20:38.799 I received funding for us to continue to work for 284 00:20:38.920 --> 00:20:41.240 the next twelve months where we will look at the 285 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:47.480 isotopes that make those unusual fragments and try to figure 286 00:20:47.480 --> 00:20:50.839 out their age, for example, because if we can date them, 287 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:55.880 then we can tell conclusively whether they came from the 288 00:20:55.920 --> 00:21:00.640 Solar System or outside of the Solar System, because any 289 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:04.359 material from another star would have a different age. And 290 00:21:04.640 --> 00:21:07.160 the way to tell the age is by using isotopes 291 00:21:07.240 --> 00:21:10.440 that decay after some time, and from that you can 292 00:21:10.559 --> 00:21:13.400 use them as clocks. So that's what we are planning 293 00:21:13.400 --> 00:21:16.119 to do in the coming months. But in addition to that, 294 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:19.839 we want to find bigger fragments, bigger pieces of the 295 00:21:19.880 --> 00:21:24.519 original object by having a second expedition, and that will 296 00:21:24.559 --> 00:21:27.559 cost six and a half million dollars because now we 297 00:21:27.599 --> 00:21:31.480 will need to put a robot, a remotely operated vehicle 298 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:34.839 on the ocean floor with a video feed. You know, 299 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:38.119 previously we did it blindly. We collected materials without seeing 300 00:21:38.119 --> 00:21:41.279 what we are collecting. But now we want the robot 301 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:46.960 to actually pick up pieces in the region that look interesting. 302 00:21:47.599 --> 00:21:51.240 And so at the moment I'm seeking funding for this, 303 00:21:52.680 --> 00:21:54.559 we need to make a down payment. We have a 304 00:21:54.640 --> 00:21:57.079 ship that is ready for us to use in August 305 00:21:57.119 --> 00:21:59.680 twenty twenty five, but we need to put a down 306 00:21:59.720 --> 00:22:03.759 payment of a million dollars and I'm waiting for a thunder. 307 00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:08.400 Any person that comes forward to fund this could come 308 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:13.000 with us to the expedition site and see what we find. 309 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:16.000 We can give that person priority being first to see 310 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:17.079 what we are finding. 311 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:20.759 Oh, they can come along on the ship. Yes, oh wonderful. 312 00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:25.559 Do you have any of course, it's hard to tell 313 00:22:25.759 --> 00:22:28.880 the original dimension of this. I'm just going to call 314 00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:34.200 it a probe or a meteor. But as you're I mean, 315 00:22:34.279 --> 00:22:36.960 what do you suspect is this another amount mala? 316 00:22:37.519 --> 00:22:42.400 No, it's a smaller object or moa was a different 317 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:47.799 object that came within a sixth of the Earth's sun separation. 318 00:22:47.920 --> 00:22:50.920 It didn't collide with Earth. It was just passing by, 319 00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:53.599 and it was much bigger. It was one hundred meters 320 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:57.559 in size and looked very strange because the amount of 321 00:22:57.599 --> 00:23:00.920 sunlight that was reflected from it changed by a factor 322 00:23:00.920 --> 00:23:04.160 of ten as it was stumbling, and so the most 323 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:06.920 likely shape that it had was that of a pancake, 324 00:23:07.279 --> 00:23:11.720 a flat object, a disc. So that was a different object, 325 00:23:11.920 --> 00:23:14.799 also interstellar, because it was moving faster than needed to 326 00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:19.559 escape from the Sun's gravity. This object, based on the 327 00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:23.119 amount of light that it generated in the explosion, we 328 00:23:23.200 --> 00:23:25.799 can say that it was at least half a meter 329 00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:30.200 in size, much smaller than but at least half a meter. 330 00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:35.480 We know that half a meter of it evaporated probably 331 00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:38.960 during the explosion, but whether it had a bigger core 332 00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:41.599 or not, we don't know. For that, we need to 333 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:44.079 go to the site and look at the wreckage there. 334 00:23:44.599 --> 00:23:47.839 And you know, if these kind of sizes are the 335 00:23:47.920 --> 00:23:51.039 kind of spacecraft that we launched in the past. If 336 00:23:51.079 --> 00:23:56.119 you think about Voyager one, Verger two, Pioneer ten, Pioneer eleven, 337 00:23:56.599 --> 00:24:00.240 New Horizons, you know, these are spacecraft making their way 338 00:24:00.279 --> 00:24:02.759 out of the Solar System, and they were roughling in 339 00:24:02.799 --> 00:24:07.400 this boardpark of size you know of older meters and 340 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:10.000 therefore you know, on the other hand, if you think 341 00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:15.000 about that was bigger than even Starship, the biggest rocket 342 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:19.200 that we are planning to use. Uh And so what 343 00:24:20.079 --> 00:24:25.000 was is still unresolved. I tend to think that it 344 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:30.799 may have been, for example, an empty trash bag object 345 00:24:30.920 --> 00:24:35.240 like a very thin film that maybe was torn apart 346 00:24:35.359 --> 00:24:38.559 from a bigger structure. Maybe it's a broken piece of 347 00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:42.480 some megastructure like a Dyson sphere that will break up 348 00:24:42.599 --> 00:24:48.359 if if the star that that it surrounds evolves and 349 00:24:48.880 --> 00:24:53.799 eventually breaks it apart. So to me could have been 350 00:24:54.440 --> 00:24:59.240 space trash from another civilization. But you know their trash 351 00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:02.720 is out, sure it will tell us something important. So 352 00:25:02.920 --> 00:25:07.119 actually it's very difficult to observe anymore any longer because 353 00:25:07.160 --> 00:25:11.279 it's already very far away. But the Ruben observed there 354 00:25:11.319 --> 00:25:13.759 will be a new observatory in Chile called the Rubin 355 00:25:13.839 --> 00:25:17.759 Observatory that will employ a camera with three point two 356 00:25:17.799 --> 00:25:22.240 gigapixels this year, and we'll start to survey the southern 357 00:25:22.319 --> 00:25:26.000 sky every four nights, and it could find and more 358 00:25:26.000 --> 00:25:30.599 and more like object every few months given its sensitivity. 359 00:25:31.000 --> 00:25:34.200 So I very much look forward to finding family members 360 00:25:34.680 --> 00:25:38.559 often more and more. You see. The point is mainstream 361 00:25:38.640 --> 00:25:43.559 scientists can deny that Tomomo was weird. They keep saying, oh, 362 00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:46.160 it's a rock of a type that we've never seen before, 363 00:25:46.759 --> 00:25:50.640 or they say maybe it's a dark comet, you know, 364 00:25:50.680 --> 00:25:54.480 a comet that we can't see the commentary tale off. 365 00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:59.079 So it was propelled just by cometary tale that is invisible. 366 00:25:59.799 --> 00:26:04.480 But once we have good enough data about another object 367 00:26:04.559 --> 00:26:07.279 like and we can look at it with the web telescope, 368 00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:09.720 you know, once we have a lot of data, it 369 00:26:10.119 --> 00:26:14.880 should be impossible to imagine things that don't exist. If 370 00:26:14.920 --> 00:26:18.400 it looks different than a rock, we will know it. 371 00:26:18.839 --> 00:26:21.759 And that's what I want to find out with the 372 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:23.920 Rubin observatory data that will come soon. 373 00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:30.480 Why though your colleagues have such a problem with the 374 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:36.279 possibilities of these being a et probe? Why is it? 375 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:39.759 I mean, this is getting out ahead avy and we're 376 00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:43.319 not even talking about UAPs, which we actually see. We're 377 00:26:43.319 --> 00:26:48.920 talking about these perhaps probes that, according to you, could 378 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:50.640 be a billion years old. 379 00:26:51.240 --> 00:26:54.680 Right, Well, it's because the significance of finding something like 380 00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:58.079 that would be great. And when I came up with 381 00:26:58.119 --> 00:27:01.839 this suggestion about a lot of attention from the public, 382 00:27:02.000 --> 00:27:05.839 from the media, and you know in academia, the strongest 383 00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:10.519 force is jealousy. So when people see a lot of attention, 384 00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:15.279 they try to step on it, suppress it, say bad 385 00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:19.440 things about whoever talks about it. It's basically out of jealousy. 386 00:27:19.920 --> 00:27:22.880 They want the attention to themselves. They don't want anyone 387 00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:26.160 to pay attention to what someone else is talking about. 388 00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:29.920 That's the first order reason for why there is a 389 00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:33.599 lot of pushback. It's basically jealousy for that attention. But 390 00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:37.720 the other thing is that you know, it's risky to 391 00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:41.599 talk about something new. It's much safer to talk about 392 00:27:41.640 --> 00:27:44.400 things that everyone talked about in the past. So you 393 00:27:44.440 --> 00:27:47.359 would rather, as an expert, quote unquote, you would rather 394 00:27:47.440 --> 00:27:49.640 say that anything in the sky must be a rock 395 00:27:50.400 --> 00:27:55.240 rather than an extraterrestor technological gudget, because you're taking a 396 00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:58.400 risk if you were to consider that. But I should 397 00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:01.200 say that even the telescope that discovered the mmoire, you know, 398 00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:04.400 a few years later, it found another object that was 399 00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:08.319 pushed by reflecting sunlight, and that ended up being a 400 00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:12.799 rocket booster from nineteen sixty six. It's called twenty twenty 401 00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:16.960