Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to another episode of
geek First Podcast. I am one of your hosts, apparently
the still doctor Foster Staler Field that I'm joined by.
Speaker 2: I am the truly terrible trailer Kirkland Patzer. Hey, I
am the Adamar Caster Dilma.
Speaker 1: Yes, ladies and gentlemen, we are here because there's so
much news to be talking about. Cannot wait to get
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Speaker 1: Outside of all of that, we have some wonderful things
that have been dropping the past little bit. We got
Star Wars Skelton Crew, I mean Corok gonna be tackling
the episode three review for that This week as well,
we have Warder Hear Him, Craven The Hunter. We have
so many movies, so many things popping off. On that
note of movies, what do you have cooking over there, Kirkland,
I have.
Speaker 2: A very special Niche solo review for September five if
you were interested in hearing my thoughts. And it's mostly
just the experience I think is what I'm talking about.
But you know, there's also a movie review in the
back half of that episode. But yeah, go check that out.
That was a fun time, my first ever sold a review. Historic. Yes,
like Davy Joe, I've only gotten positive, you know, feedback
so far, so a lot of people have been digging
that episode. Maybe I'll have to do another one. Maybe,
you know, the next Monday mystery movie. You might have
to just keep dropping these solo reviews. We'll see.
Speaker 3: I heard The Hobbit might be in your next We'll see.
Speaker 2: If I go to a mystery movie Monday and it's
like an extended edition for the Hobbit, I uh, I mean,
I'll sit through it. I'm sure I would, but we'll see.
Maybe one day, I feel like, yeah, that's one that
even if I'm gonna assume most people listening don't care
or even know it's member five, But if you are
a geek first fan, I feel like you got to
check out that episode. It's just a very fun story
in the first half an hour, and yeah it's historic.
It's kirkled for solo cast. Need did a great job,
so ever go check that out. Thank you, Thank you, Dollan.
Speaker 1: And on the note of cooking, what do you got
cooking over there for side quest on?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Good, good to bring it up so people may notice,
where where's side quest? Where's the episode? This week things
kind of got all moved around. Me and Taylor were
a little confused about the release date of Indiana Jones.
Turns out that it released on a Monday, I guess,
and then they had early access if you pay forty
dollars to release on like the Thursday, So we both
thought it released on Thursday. We're gonna have a review
ready or like impressions on Monday. But we have it.
I've played the game now, I don't know if you have, Taylor,
but it didn't come out till Monday. So we're gonna
push that to next week to give ourselves more time.
So no side Quest this week, but you kind of
got that bonus episode that I released on the weekend,
so just kind of awkward. But like I said, next week,
you're gonna get two episodes, so it's kind of all
gonna work out. You're gonna Indie as a solo episode,
and then you're also gonna get Game Awards US covering
that and probably throw games we've been playing in there
as well. So just standard Sidequist episode. So yeah, two
episodes last week, two episodes next week, but like none
this week. Kind of weird, but it all works out.
I hope for everyone listening Stellar love it well, Future
Commandos as well, Taylor reach your Commandos. But Dexter, that's
coming out to Dexter.
Speaker 1: Yes, yep, that's right. That's right, great name drops, lots
of stuff that's just cooking. It's it's a good time
to be.
Speaker 2: To after nine as well, this after nine.
Speaker 1: How can I forget. Yes, it's a good time to
be a listener at Geek Versus podcast. December is definitely
the month to just listen to the show. It's it's
a good time. But with all that said and done,
do you guys want to do you want to get
it right into the news.
Speaker 3: Do you want to do a quick brief like what
you been watching and.
Speaker 1: Just like quick fire it or do you just want
to go right into this big main topic.
Speaker 3: What do you guys think?
Speaker 2: I'm very low on the what I've been watching. I
have a couple things, but I might even just push
those to Atter nine to be honest, because they might
be relevant for a discussion there. So I'm fine with that.
But we did get one Patreon question that could be
a good little little icebreaker warm up if you want
to do that, rightfah, let's do that. I like that?
Speaker 1: Do it?
Speaker 3: Yes? Like me?
Speaker 2: Pull it up. I've been watching September five if anyone's interested,
But I won't talk about that. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming you were talking about the Dalton question in
particularly okay perfect who wants to take it away?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, Dalton are as uh favorite Christmas movies? I
like I like this question because it's just three words,
very to the point. No preamble, no postam no his
personal just just three simple words. I can go first here.
I feel like my I don't know if I have
any like deep cut interesting picks for this. I feel
like I'm kind of the boring guy who's just like,
Home Alone is my favorite Christmas movie and that's the
only one I watch every year, so or the both
of those, and then I don't. I don't venture past two,
of course, I mean when I was a kid, I
really like three, but I don't. I haven't watched it
super recently. I don't think it holds up super well.
I feel like since we did that retro on the
Night Before, the Night Before is what it's called, or
is it? Uh yeah, the one with seth Rogen and crew,
I feel like that has been a yearly watch for
me now, and that that one's really good. I mean,
I love the Guardians Holiday Special. That's that's I feel
like another one going in the rotation there. Elf is
of course another classic, but yeah, I feel like it's
it's really just Home Alone. That's like, that's the one
I'm a diard for. And I feel like I haven't
watched the original Grinch in a long time, but I
love the Jim Carrey one and all his craziness there.
I'm probably gonna rewatch that one again soon. So yeah,
just like the four probably most popular Christmas movies are
like my favorite so nothing, nothing, not too many deep
cuts there, unfortunately. Yeah, I'm pretty similar. I feel like
like my my big hitters would be Jim Carrey's Grinch
elf for sure. This year, I watched Night Before pretty
early before November. I was getting excited, like I guess
for the season. Also, Netflix was like, this is leaving
in five. Yeah, I see, That's why I watched. Was
talking to Travis about that, Yeah, exactly, So that one,
for sure, Nightmare Before Christmas, That's always my Christmas movie.
I prefer that one over like the Halloween side of
the same, the side of the Things. I feel like
there's some debate on if that's more of a Halloween
movie or Christmas movie. I definitely think it's more of
a Christmas movie, but I've never seen that movie. Are
you serious? Christmas? That is crazy? That's crazy to me, Taylor,
What do you think?
Speaker 3: I think that's insanity.
Speaker 2: I feel like in the early days of the podcast,
like I wouldn't have been too surprised by hearing stuff
like that. But I feel like you've really been doing
your research on just like the big, like popular movies
that a lot of people have seen, Like you've been
doing your there's so many movies. It's true so much,
but that is one I should I that's interesting that
you think of it more of a Christmas one. Maybe
I will put that on this this holiday season. Finally,
I want to hear your opinion on it too. If
you prefer it's over, you know, the Halloween season or
Christmas season, I will share. It's also like a pretty
short movie, like it's it's a pretty easy watch, and yeah,
it's good. I also kind of throw like Harry Potter
and stuff and the Christmas seasons. I'm usually watching those
over the Christmas months. But again, that was another one
that I watched early, Shane, I've binge through those. I
was sick for like a week, so it was just like,
I'm just gonna lay and just watch this. So did that.
Other than that, honestly, just like a random, like a
couple of random like Disney movies that I always like
watching around the holidays is something like Frozen, specifically Frozen two.
I truly love that movie. I like Frozen two more
than Frozen one. Just just like wintery type movies are
usually just fun to watch when it's cold and you're
getting all snugly and cozy inside. So yeah, but definitely
like the Home Alone, Grinch, Nightmare Before Christmas, like those
are like every year. I would say Night Before of course,
that's one that I kind of threw on there ever
since we did that retro as well. But yeah, no,
I feel like I've been kind of lacking, or not
lacking slacking in the holiday movie watching Avenue Like Shane,
I just haven't really watched much since, like even before
December when we were watching a couple of them. So yeah,
now that things kind of winding down a little bit,
slowing down at work, maybe we'll just start getting more
into the holiday festive mood because you know, we're gonna
blank and Christmas is gonna be here. It's already the
tenth the December today. It's pretty crazy. What what so
for me.
Speaker 1: My Christmas movies? Yeah, I'm I'm like Home Alone, Uh,
Santa Claus. Those are the classics, and I'm definitely watching
those every single year. But the other ones that sneak
in there, love actually The Holiday Jude Law, Jack Black,
Cameron Diaz, Oh my goodness, that's a good, great one.
Polar Express. You know, aside from everyone kind of looking
like they're blind in that movie, it's actually a really
really good time.
Speaker 2: This is what the movie where? Like, what's his name?
What's what's the.
Speaker 3: Tom han Hank like multiple.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he like mocabs like everyone. Oh yeahound. I just
found that out this year. It is a fun Christmas
factor there. I always hated that movie. The animation just
creeped me out.
Speaker 1: The animation is weird, but I I think the message
in there and the music, it's just it's so good.
Speaker 3: It's so good. Elf is another one that I really like.
And what else do we have.
Speaker 2: Any bionical specials? I feel like that as like a
Christmas special or something that's just a banger, not to.
Speaker 1: My knowledge, but that is definitely that's a banger, all right.
I'm a big fan of Jim Carrey's The Grinch. I
love that movie a lot, and we watched that one
a couple of days ago.
Speaker 3: That one's that's just so good. It's so much fun.
What else is there?
Speaker 1: Christmas Vacation Jimmy Chase, that one is just I feel
like that's a classic as well. I've been trying to
get into a little bit more like the Hallmark movies
this year, but a lot of them are just so bad.
Speaker 2: So I feel like that of them is that they're bad.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess so, But I just wish that we
had the quality Christmas movies. I'm not itching to go
rush to the theater and watch Red One that apparently
like what did the rock say? He's watching Imax Dune
and I'm pretty sure it was Dune and he's like, oh,
this could be Red One could be like the next
big thing if we put it on Imax.
Speaker 2: Just as sure as is covered in chills already.
Speaker 3: That's exactly him at the theater. Oh man, Well.
Speaker 2: He's wearing like the Red One hat though, like his
little elf haad versus.
Speaker 3: For crying out out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, those are those are some of the Christmas
movies that I really like to get into. I feel like,
do you guys have anything else you want to add
on the Christmas movies? No, Siry Travis dropped me another
question from Mike that's snuck in there, and I feel
like I got to answer it.
Speaker 3: If you guys are.
Speaker 2: Okay with that, I'm not a pause right now? Okay, sorry, Mike,
you're out going on right now?
Speaker 1: Well, he was asking can I can I get Taylor's
at thoughts in the what have you watched?
Speaker 3: Segment?
Speaker 1: And I feel bad because I didn't see this when
I was sorry about axing the what if.
Speaker 3: So I'll make it very short. Forew Mike, very very short. Uh.
Speaker 1: The movie was fantastic, Absolutely loved it, and like I
said in.
Speaker 3: My my experience wasn't.
Speaker 1: The ideal at the start because the fucking Maana two
crowd was there and the lineup was long, and so
I got in late to the movie. I missed the
whole like opening song, and I spilled my popcorn because
people don't know how to suck in their legs and
the chairs and it was dark, so my drink fell
out of my hands and went rolled down out. I
lost the drink, No, no it was. It was a
vitamin water that I bought. It had the cap, so
that fell out of my hands when I tripped and
spilled my popcorn and the drink rolled the fucking as
out the out out the con So I was super
pissed about that and had to eat the small popcorn
was seasoning with nothing to like de highlight to cut
like thirst quench right, and this is a two and
a half hour movie, so that was rough. But once
you know, once I sat down and actually got into
the song. It's like, Okay, I'm grooving with this, like
I'm loving this. Everyone in this movie just brought at
the practical effects and the creations that they built for
this film were wonderful, absolutely delightful. I left that theater
wanting to go back and rewatch the movie right away.
Speaker 3: It motivated me to go.
Speaker 1: We watched Oz Green Powerful, and I want to go
watch the actual Wizard of Oz the nineteen thirties one.
So that movie is just great and I cannot wait
for part two. I think they just absolutely just bang on.
Speaker 3: This was great.
Speaker 1: I was listening to the soundtrack at work. This movie's awesome.
I think everyone needs to go see it. It's it's great.
Speaker 2: So I saw the popcorn buckets. They have like a
green one and a pink one I guess, or the
two colors. So they're repealing with the combo with the
cup and everything. That may landmark the heater, But yeah,
I still don't have any interest to watch that movie unfortunately.
But wild story, Taylorfield, you must have just been walking
out like the Sahara desert in your throat no water.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. That's why I was so rass be
right now, haven't gotten that water yet?
Speaker 1: Yeah, But anyways, that's all aside. Let's get into our
main number one topic here, which is, holy smokesly, gentlemen,
Chris Evans is returning to the Marvel Cinematic Universe, discuss.
Speaker 2: You're gonna say that, you guys pick us in the
ring like a couple of gladiators. Oh man, I feel
like this is this is very funny to me, the
timing of this because just recently the three of us
did a bread and Butter this month's bread and Butter
topic or was it November? Either way, it was bread
and Butter that we did recently in which we discussed
there was this you know, article for months and months
back that said there's gonna be like I already feared
the number, was it fifty or sixty people are coming
back for the next Avengers movie, And we did like
a long list, we charted out who are all of
these people going to be, And when we got to
Chris Evans were like, that's not happening. We just like
can very quickly like move past him, and I don't
think we put him on the final list at all.
So it's funny that out of the few confirmations of
people that we have in this movie, now that he's
one of them, and like, sorry, is this officially confirmed
or is this still like Scooper status? Where where are
we at with this one? It was seemed like pretty
legit to me, Let me, let me factors Jack Rut.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like my sources that relate this information to
me or maybe in question lately with some their information.
Speaker 3: I think Kirkle can.
Speaker 2: Speak to that. I'm clicking the source right now. Let
me get the juice, go check the source. But yeah,
I mean this brings up a lot of questions. One,
it's it's fun and it's cool, but yeah, there's a
lot of ways this could go. Right because he just
recently came back to play human Torch, I don't think
that's what we're getting in this. I don't think he's
gonna play that bit role again. I think not even that.
It would be like, you know, you can always do
different multiverse version. Of course, one didn't survive to the
end of that movie in Dunpool Wolverine. But I don't
think that's what we're getting. And then it's like, Okay,
is he doing cap again or is he coming back
as a villain and the way that Downy isn't that
and like that could be your leading villain pair or
something is Downy and Evans playing different versions than they
have before, which would be super duper fun. And I
think they'd be fun for Evans. He has done a
little bit more villainous stuff in the years since since
playing as Captain America of course, So I kind of
feel like that would just be that would just be
a layup, like throw those two heads on the poster
as like the two villains of it. Like, I think
that could be really cool and interesting. Uh do I
have a pitch of who that villain would be? Not necessarily,
but I think that would be a more fun route
to go than just him coming back as CAP.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Do you guys think if he if just kind of
narrowed it down to like if he was Cap again,
do you think it would be a multiverse situation where
we get like a young fit Cap again and he
would be fighting or would he be like the old
one and he's just like in here and gets like
killed off or something to have like a big death
that like fuels everyone. I would say definitely not the
the ladder of those options. I think that although he
didn't die after endgame, it still felt like the final goodbye,
and in a similar sense to Tony, Like Tony was
a big emotional goodbye because he you know, sacrificed himself,
but still saying goodbye to you know, old Cap. It
felt like that, like like we were closing that chapter.
So although it's different and one of them live, one
of them died, I think just the goodbye felt very similar.
So I think it would be a terrible idea to
just bring him back just get murdered like instantly by
I don't know, let's just say, you know, Robert Downey
Junior or something. It could be like a good moment,
but I don't know. I and like that's just my
initial thoughts. Maybe they can do it in a more
eloquent way that really sells me on it. I won't
judge it until I see it if that is the case,
but I I think I think it would be. I
don't know, because I have like weird thoughts on this
where right away it's just like, Okay, that's kind of
like the easy cheap Well it's not the cheap option,
it's the easy option maybe throw out a bunch of
money to get Chris Evans back, and you know that, uh,
like we already got Robert Downey Junior for infinite money,
and getting Chris Evans back, like just having those two
faces on the poster, like that's definitely gonna get buzz
and like definitely gonna get butts and seats having those
two back. So like right away, I'm like, ah, that's
just like the easy play, but it's also like, fuck,
it's gonna be so like hype though, like if if
it is a really big setup for I don't know,
more villainous side to these two individuals. So yeah, what's
my train of thought there? I'm sorry discuss someone.
Speaker 3: The table turned so him him coming back?
Speaker 1: I think that, Okay, we've seen the dynamic where he's
scoring off against Robert Dounny Junior in Civil War, and
I think having that kind of dynamic repeated, I don't
think that they're going to tap into that. That they've
tapped into him being his other self, his Fantastic four character,
which I think human tort I think that's great. Sure,
absolutely you got to do that, and they did that,
so all that's really left, I feel like is for
him to come back, as if he comes back to
get killed off right away, I feel like they've already
done that as well with Captain Carter coming back in
Multiverse of Badness. So I feel like him coming back
to take up the mantle Captain America period may not
be the case. In my kind of hunch and inkling
is that if he comes back, he will be another
villain in working tandem with Robert Nney Junior's Doom or
competitively or something like that. I think he'll be another
different character than what we're expecting him, I guess to
be like.
Speaker 2: That hero you're thank you til you reminded me of
where I was going of. I feel like his return
will be something similar to to what Downey's kind of
situation is. And whether that be this is just an
evil version of Tony Stark or like a like a
variant or something, or a completely completely different character in
and of itself. I think that both of them will
kind of be the same in that sense. And I
think because we already have RDJ back, you know, in
like the doctor Doom role, I think I feel like
it would be the variant variety. And I think the
Chris Evans appearance would be the exact same. So yeah,
I guess it could be like a It could be
a classic Marvel mind control situation, like they could bring
him back as cap, but then I also have him
as a villain via like a mind control thing, because
I don't know, I feel like it would be hard
to buy, Like it makes this this turn like if
we're going town on the road, that Doctor Doom in
this universe or the one that we're getting here is
like a variant of Tony Stark and it's like an
alternate time. I like that that makes more sense. We have,
like we've seen the pieces of the puzzle that could
lead to that. But I feel like with Captain America
that might be I don't know, might be jumping the
shark a little bit in terms of like believability for
what we've seen for the character. They could they could
make it work, but I think like mind control is
the easier, easier, and like that's kind of the cheaper
way to do it too. Uh yeah, and that's just easier.
I don't know that that could be. That could be
an idea, but I kinda I don't know. Do you
guys have any ideas for like a villain that he
could play. I feel like we've already burned through so
many in the MC it's hard to think of one
that we haven't seen yet that would also like maybe
not be the next huge phase fase phase based one,
because like Doctor Doom could be around for a while
potentially if they want to do that, right, And I don't
know if they'd want to sign up like both of
those two to come back from multiple projects, Like I
feel like Evans might be more of a one and done. Yeah,
one hundred percent. I think it was like crazy enough
to just think of, Okay, Robert Downey Junior is coming back,
but he's also not just like a one off villain,
like he's Doctor Doom, like one of the biggest baddies
in the in the Marvel universe. So I think that
was just crazy to Pallette. And then now we're, you know,
talking about Chris Evans returning, and I just think it's
even crazier to have both of them back for a
multiproject deals. So maybe that makes me think that it
will be something more one and doney, And in terms
of who that could be, I don't know. I'm pretty
I'm pretty just flat on like my villain knowledge in
terms of kind of who's coming up on like let's
say Fantastic four Villains or like just just the next
kind of phase of Marvel, Like what is our new
character is going to be facing And you know, like,
of course that's sources and stems from comic books sometimes
most of the time at least, and I fortunately just
don't have a lot of names to throw out there.
I kind of hope it's someone just really wild and crazy,
almost like how Will Polter's like Adam Warlock appearance where
he's just all gold. Like. I want to see like
a really different style of Chris Evans because of course,
like even when I see him in things now, I'm
just like, yeah, it's cap like that's America's ass, Like
when I see him on things, I would love, especially
because we have Robert don Juer back with the well
funny enoughf it's a metal suit. It's a different metal suit,
I guess anymore in the Marvel cinematic units. But I
really really want just a wild costume and an appearance
for this Chris Evans' character, whoever that might be. I
guess we're kind of theorizing there like what it would
look like. But do you guys want this? Does this
like excite you? Because I feel like when when Doom happened,
we were all, well, Taylor, I kind of forget how
you wrecked. But I think the rest of us like, yeah,
we don't really want this, don't love this root that
they're going. But like as the months have gone on,
I feel like we're just like more used to it now.
It's like, yeah, I guess it's gonna happen. I feel
like I'm less negative on it, like I'm more I
guess it's just sunk in at this point. So I
don't know, for whatever reason, I don't feel as adverse
to this, like, of course this is a non official
confirmation he's not out there on the comic on stage,
but I don't know, it feels I guess I'm not
just not as surprised anymore that they would be doing
something like this, And I don't know, there's just room
for it to be a lot of fun. I don't so, Yeah,
for some reason, I'm not I'm I don't have that
sour taste of mind mouth like I did when they
had the Doom thing announced, even though there was some
hype to.
Speaker 1: That, right, Yeah, I'm not feeling negative with this. I mean,
I can't even remember what I thought about with the
Doom thing. I'll have to go back and revisit.
Speaker 3: My dreamy.
Speaker 2: Though with this, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I think it's kind of exciting. I'm kind of gaming
forth to see what kind of surprise they're cooking up with.
And that's coming after the fact too that we had
him pop up in Deadpool and overe and I really
did enjoy that appearance of him, seeing him back on
the big screen, So getting him back with Robert Tanney Junior,
I think that's exciting and I think maybe it might
make people a little bit more positive in the reception
of having Robertdentiy Junior back. Like you were talking, you
guys are talking about just like that poster, you could
have both their faces on there.
Speaker 3: People are like, oh.
Speaker 1: My god, this is great, and what better place to
do it than than Avengers movie.
Speaker 2: Right, So it's gonna be like the exact same poster
for Civil War. It's just Robert Downey Junior facing down
Chris Evan's gonna be like the exact same maybe looking
at each other. They're like both looking at it'd be
funny to compare the two, But no, I didn't. I
think you like nailed it because I was very much
like how you were saying, like, I don't know, put
off by the Robert Doney Junior news coming back, but
maybe just time has gone on and just knowing that
we're gonna be recycling these actors that kind of wore
them out rush more you know, you live long enough
to see yourself become the villain or yeah, more or
less the quote from Dark Die the hero long enough
sometimes both, I guess in the terms of these guys, right,
But yeah, I was very very different, I think on
my reception to seeing this news. And I think it's
also just wow, we got Downy back. Let's get Chris
Evans in there, so that's a nice pairing, or maybe
just I don't know, just them going at each other,
like I'm just maybe curious as to what's gonna happen there,
And I think it's also just, yeah, just just giddy
over the idea of getting like some of these iconic
characters back and maybe not in the same shoes. Well,
in the case of Downey, it's definitely confirmed. It's it's
not that, but yeah, just for whatever reason, I'm more
more open to it now. And we'll see if there's
another big announcement, like you know coming up of just
another character that's recycled, you know, waiting for the Elizabeth Olsen,
I guess confirmation that she's coming back. I'm always gonna
be just those two in her as a team. Yeah,
so so random, but they're just you know, going for
like the big numbers. I guess one thing with this
is like if it is them being villains working together
or I guess there's two sides of that one. They
could both be villains that just aren't working together, like
just both in the world and have like separate goals
that are both against our heroes. I really, I guess
I wouldn't want them to be against each other. I
just feel like we've seen a lot of that and
I wouldn't. I feel like we've built up so much potentially,
I we don't even know who our current Avengers team is,
but we've done so much work since endgame, tons of
projects have come out, and I feel like I want
those people to shine to some extent, and I don't.
I guess I wouldn't really want the core conflict of
the movie to be, oh, okay, Evans and Downey are
going at it again, or like a villain thing where
they're working together, but then like inevitably they break up,
and then Evans comes works for the good guys and
it helps take down Doom. Then like I feel like
I would really not want that, want to just feel
like rechredding the same old ground, and then it's also
just kind of boring and feels kind of like the
easy solution. I think it would be really fun if
they were both villains and they were just like best
friends and we they're not, you know, disagreeing. Maybe they
have little disagreements with each other, but like just being
really buddy buddy with each other and not always like Okay, fine,
I'll work with you, but like I really don't want to.
And the way in like Endgame or Infinity War, even
when they're just really reluctant to work with each other,
and that's a really hard moment to build up to. Like,
I don't want any of that friction. If they're gonna
be villains together, I want them to just be like
just chewing the scenery together and having a lot of
fun with it. So hopefully that's the route we go,
because I still think there's so many other characters that
deserve some spotlight, and like they've already got tons and
tons of spotlight. We don't need to need to go
back there. I feel like with down being doing what's
already gonna happen, he's already gonna have a ton of
screen time. He's gonna be like the next Thanos, right. Potentially,
maybe not to that same extent in terms of how
many projects they'll be in, but yeah, that's that's I
guess one one fear I have, do you guys have?
Like you know, if the dominoes keep just falling and
we keep getting more and more people coming back is
one of the things maybe they're potentially trying to gear
up to do, is like we're bringing back the original
Venders team, but like they're all playing evil characters like
Widow she's obviously gone now too, Like would she come
back as another villain character? And I don't know what
you'd do with like, Okay, Hawkeye and Hulker and Thor
all bumping around still, I don't know how you would
have like other than like maybe I guess all those
characters have a reason for not being in the current fight,
yeah against doom, depending on the situation. You know, Hawkeye's retired,
I don't know, he's always around. I guess that's the
one that's hardest to explain. Thor could be off in
some other planet somewhere. But like then you can bring
those actors back. That might be a little awkward and
weird if those characters are just like around, irrelevant. But
even to your point earlier, Kirkland, like Captain America, is
still alive. He's still kicking around. He's hanging out, just
dancing all day long. So I don't know, do you guys,
Do you guys see like a Scar Joe announcement being
the next thing? Do you think they'd go that route
and do like the original Six are back, but they're
bad this time they're the City of Six. This time
it's a wild like pitch. I I like that, honestly,
I make money would be pretty juice. Yeah, I love
the but he would make money. I maybe I'm just
also appeal to the you know, fallen hero type of
archetype of just like yeah, whether it's someone like Anakin
like going to the dark side, or just other versions
of that. I feel like that always interests me. I
feel like that announcement would just be the most shocking
because just kind of how her adventure, for lack of
a better term, i'll call it with the MCU and
Marvel and Disney specifically kind of just ended right with
just all the like I'm pretty like, you don't have
to remind me, but wasn't she like suing Disney over
like the release of Black Widow because it was supposed
to be a good point and then good point that
was post end game. Yeah, yeah, it was just it
was a she got her money, so maybe she's like
chilling now she's happy and you know, money talks like
if they want to. I'm sure she would forget that
whole debacle if the number is high enough, and so yeah,
that one would be very surprising, more so than the
Chris Evans one. I think. I feel like it's always
the thing too with ever since the downynouncement, it's like, okay, well,
it just seems like Chris Evans is like somewhat inevitable
because he is still around, and of course he appeared
in Deadpool, so it seemed like his tie was already
really really close, but something like Scarjal for me is
just it feels like a distant possibility. Especially too, like
all those you know, some of the Captain America movies,
Avengers movies, all of those were Russo brothers, and after
the Russo brothers pieced out after Endgame and made their
other stuff, Chris Evans appeared in what two of those movies,
so I think at least at least one, but I
think two, right, So obviously there's that connection there was
really strong. They've worked together a lot, and so I
think this is a lot less surprising now knowing that
the Russo brothers are in fact back and they're the
ones doing this duology of movies here at least, because yeah,
that's just like a primed actor to bring back for
that kind of thing. So that also, I think leads
to that make a lot more sense.
Speaker 1: I like what you said, they're dying about these people
coming back and kind of shafting new up and coming
actors and actresses that are trying to make their mark
here and in the MCU and give their They're all
into these new roles and these new heroes that we've had.
Speaker 2: And I know Tam Wilson gets like three minutes of
screen time or something stupid like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Harrison Ford, like he needs more screen time.
Speaker 1: It's definitely been a little bit tricky with Disney because
you have all these new heroes and not all of
them have really taken off with their movies and in particular,
and so I think that that definitely leaves us our
taste and these business suits and these boardrooms like, well,
we need to play it safe, we need to make money,
Like what makes money. Well, let's bring back the face
of Marvel Captain America, Steve Rogers. But yeah, I just
think that what you said is pretty It's pretty unfortunate
if they keep on progressing down that route.
Speaker 3: But I digress. Was there anything else you guys want
to add on this topic?
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I get when do you
guys think we would get more info on this all
the way in the summer with comic Con or do
you think they would even if these rumors are circling,
would they just confirm it earlier just to get it
out of the way or what I I would imagine
that something like this, if it's already kind of leaking
out through the cracks and crevices. I think we're gonna
be getting something a little bit more solid before Comic Con.
Comic Con do like the big suit reveal, you know,
and like the similar way that it went with Downey
all the Yeah, they already got their big moment with Downey.
Like the fact that that didn't really leak at all. Right,
that was pretty crazy. Yeah that's true.
Speaker 1: Cool. So our next lovely topic, I can pull it
up here. I got like multiple pages here with different topics.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: Also, the source was the Wire and it was no wrong,
that's the show. The source is the Wrap dot com.
It was an exclusive, I believe you. I feel like
there is a something called the Hollywood Wire or something
like that. It was on It was on the wire
at the Wrap. Gotcha. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: So sticking into the whole Marvel theme right now, we're
gonna be looking at uh taking a first ad break,
and we'll.
Speaker 3: Be right back.
Speaker 2: Okay, and we're back.
Speaker 1: So on that note, the Sony verse is absolutely falling apart.
Speaker 3: It is not good. God, it is crumbling.
Speaker 2: Speaking of cracks. Yeah, that's god.
Speaker 3: There. Yeah, their whole house is just collapsing. It's it's horrible.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're just gonna talk about how this
universe is pretty much dead after Craven. And I've seen
some memes about like Venom four, Sinister six, different things
like that, potential projects that I think could have had
a lot of potential. Other people talking about how like
Null from Venom three, like there's some stuff that they
could have done with him, But who knows what they're
gonna do with that character. If I don't know what
I'm doning, Marvel's even gonna the MCU is going.
Speaker 3: To tap into this at all.
Speaker 1: I I don't know what was going on in the
backboard rooms and how they got Tom Hardy's and I'm
thrown in there, and how those contracts work. But I
don't think that that's necessarily a five ye kind of decision.
I feel like that was just and we've talked about
all that, so yeah, it's I digress. But the fact
though that they're just kind of like giving up, Like
what happens after the after this, like after Craven comes out,
Craven's gonna bomb and then do they just sit on
on their ips? Do they sell them? What do you
guys think?
Speaker 2: I mean, I think the I think they just licensed
them out to MCU, probably for a while, and then
I mean, I don't know, I forget what the year
number is where you like you have to make a
movie every however many years, or like you just lose
the ips something like that, Right, I feel like that,
you know, they would they would keep doing that, but
presumably they'll just like hang on to this unless they
I mean, it seems like money wise, they've had a
lot of issues recently, and like, I don't know, maybe
they would look to sell. They could make a lot
of money off selling Spider Man as a character. But
I think, like, I don't know, just license. It's easier.
You get a chunk of money, you don't have to
do anything at all, You just sit there. That seems
like the way to go. But yeah, part of this,
it seems like Craven is gonna be the last last
movie in this universe. And there's even like another I
saw a posted in our in the GV discord that
was just like, uh, it turns out Craven's actually doing
worse than the initial tracking in terms of like where
it looks like it's gonna do on opening weekend, like
Madam Web Levels, which is or even less than Madame
Web levels I think the articles said, which is, yeah,
maybe think back to our predictions. I'm pretty sure the
number I gave was like eleven or something. It was
it was pretty pretty very low. Yeah, kind of near
where it's projecting. Yeah, you know, not too crazy off
the Yeah crazy I was thinking about Madam Web now
my gosh, yeah no, I I I feel like it's
like business suicide if they ever wanted to sell Spidey,
Like it just seems like that is like an infinite
money glitch just having that property. So I definitely would
agree in just them licensing off like that. That seems
like the I don't know, just like an easy way
to stay afloat, and especially I feel like trusting it
out to like MCU and stuff. Say what you will,
but like the quality of the movies, they at least
know how to make money off of them, whether that's
through merch and dice or what they just the attractions
and stuff that they do at like Disneyland and stuff, now,
like that's a whole thing of itself just going on,
Like Spidey is so massive in Disneyland. So I just
feel like, yeah, if they're able to get more appearances
with those types of characters in just other Marvel movies,
and that would be under of course, like the Disney manners.
So I would say that would probably be the most
likely outcome going forward, eventually making their their their attempts
at rebirthing this sure at some point, but hopefully you know,
we have some time. Yeah, I mean, I feel like
the strategy of just like keep pumping out animated movies
make your next Spider Verses. I know, Like I think
it's like a movie did quite well at the box office.
I think it was also very expensive. Uh so who
knows how we're like the profit actually was on it.
But if they can like reel that in and like
treat the artists right and just like keep making those cool,
you're you're making profit. Make hopefully one of those every
like two or three years, Like you don't have to
go to the length of Spider Verse, just do some
other animated stuff, keep cranking that stuff out, and then
just like license out the character to like appear at
MCU stuff, because yeah, if you're not doing your on
like live action movies, and you're gonna have like the
crossover stuff, which I feel like it is half the
reason a lot of people see these movies is like
the chance that maybe a Spider Man or another character
will pop up. Then it's like, oh no, it's just
Craving in his own movie and Rhino and then there's
no one else, which happens sometimes too. But yeah, I
feel like that's that's the row crank of the animated
license of the rest to MCU and just infinite money glitch.
As kirklm said, Yeah, I feel like the timing of
like just getting that of like they're not moving forward
after is it after Craven? I guess, yeah, that's that's
the last one. That's that's that's talked about. I feel
like it's also just like showcasing the lack of faith
that they have in Craven, and like it also just
for a general audience member if they're like thinking about
going to see Craven but then they see this news,
it's like why, like why would I go see this
movie now? Right? Unless I was like really interested in
the trailer and like specifically what this is them just
the idea of like oh yeah, this this looks like
it might be a new character moving forward, and in
this it's a weird word case study I'm kind of
setting up of like someone that's really invested in the
Sony universe. But I mean anyone who's invested would also
know that, like there's nothing announced after Craven like it.
I think that might be like an excitement of like, oh,
what's the post credit going to be? But I feel
like it's probably not going to be anything because they
don't have anything to go to. They're just they're done totally.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just weird.
Speaker 1: Back in the day, I remember when they made these announcements,
and I'm confident that they got a lot of flak
back then because we weren't impressed by it, and we
still aren't impressed by it. But they went ahead and
they stuck to their guns and they put out all
these different projects, and now.
Speaker 3: They have to reap what they sew. I guess is
the term I would use for this.
Speaker 2: So it's unfortunate bakers boxes and find a new job.
Speaker 3: I find.
Speaker 2: Right, they should have ended on Venom Last Dance. Yeah,
that would have been a much better I mean, not
that it like closes out the universe in any sort
of coherent way, but just the title of it, the
idea it being the trilogy, it being the most the
only successful of the live action stuff. Just close it
out with that. That would have been That would have
been the way to do it, I think.
Speaker 1: Especially because Craven feels like it's kickstarting something with the story,
like a new adventure right out.
Speaker 2: You know, we'll see after the review. But maybe they
should have just backgrilled this one.
Speaker 3: And just tax Oh wow, tax right off.
Speaker 2: Don't let any project a like fucking twelve million dollars
and they're already closing down their doors in the whole
Sony universe. Hopefully it had a small baby budget. Like
I feel like Aaron Taylor Johnson is like your main man.
I don't know if he's like, you know, he's not
asking for Robert Downey Bucks to know in a movie,
right maybe when they when they rebirth the Sony universe. Yeah,
and that they want to they want to get him
back as a different character.
Speaker 1: I think the budget of this made it one hundred
and ten million, make him more expensive than Sony's other
non venom.
Speaker 2: How when I'm seeing this trailer, I just see a
guy jumping around.
Speaker 3: I don't know, rhino guys at least a few million
right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah. True, that's an insane budget. That's like more than
Madame Webb made at all. I think so I all
think back to Godzilla minus we you know, when what
was the like ten million dollar budget, crazy phenomenal film.
Uh yeah, just insane. I don't let any of this
stop you guys from listening to our review on Thursday.
It's gonna be the finale of Nobody. Go see this. Yeah,
just watch your review. Don't watch the movie. We'll let
you know it's presumably not worth watching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad to see that this isn't gonna like
hurt Aaron Taylor Johnson's career, because we're gonna talk about
another project he's in later.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So, I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I love I love that actor. He's he's fantastic
and everything he does. I think he's gonna really bring
it in this role.
Speaker 3: I really do. But i'd have to I would love
to be a fly on the wall for that interview.
Speaker 1: Because you know, you got a guy, you got his
agent coming up to Aaron and like, hey, Aaron ATJ
I got a roll for you in another Superhoe project.
Speaker 3: Oh my back in Marvel, Like.
Speaker 1: Well, go kind of you're in the Sony Marvel movie
and guess what, they're not doing any more projects after this.
Speaker 3: It's dead. So it's a would have told that.
Speaker 2: There's no way would have told or you.
Speaker 1: Don't have to worry about like a five movie contract
or anything.
Speaker 3: This is a clean cut cash deal, like just trying
to sell it to them.
Speaker 2: But it was like the who was it Sidney Sweeney?
That like didn't know that or I don't even know
if that was a rumor or not, if his speculations,
she didn't know it wasn't in the m c U.
I just remember that being discussed. Maybe it was the
same thing with A T. J. He thought he was
in the m CU, but I.
Speaker 1: Think that would have been in the right. Yeah, he
has I think that was Sidney Sweeney. I think she
she did talk about something somewhere similar to that s S
Pubs in the chat.
Speaker 3: Didn't they re shoot a ton of this movies?
Speaker 1: That's probably the budget If they're filming like an extra
half movie on there, you don't want to see a.
Speaker 2: Lot of reshoots. That's uh, that's a dangerous game would
have done. It's a.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot a lot of reshoots there, but
that's a topic for another day. Affect the budget though, Taylor,
come on, the budget was boosted the budget, I think,
save money.
Speaker 2: But in.
Speaker 1: Anything else you guys have or want to drop on
Craven and the Sony Verse being dead.
Speaker 2: I'm kinda I'm happy that I don't have to keep
committee myself to these projects. You know, I feel like
part of me gets a little bit interested. I'm not
gonna say hyped or hopeful for what's gonna be coming,
but just just enticed, like, Okay, a Craven solo movie,
Like it's been an interesting character in the Spider Man universe,
like animated series, cartoons and stuff like that. How are
they gonna do it in a solo project? It's just
so funny to me, how Like the interest level usually
just goes right down the closer we get to the project,
and like the more information we get, it's usually just
the initial idea of what it like, like Madam Webb,
you know, like when Sydney Sweets, when Sidney Sweeney was
cast as Julia Carpenter, which they changed her name Julia Cornwall.
When I first got that announcement, though, I'm like, man,
I was dreaming of this day, Like i think she's
perfect for that. And then of course here I am
now pretty much wishing I never even caught that. And uh,
I don't like to have these thoughts about these movies.
So let's take a break, Sony, and uh because this
podcasting thing, it's like a it's like a contract with
my soul. I have to watch these movies. I have
to talk about them. I have to just go through
the motions. And uh, now I get a little break.
So thanks, Sony. Mm hmm, it's true.
Speaker 3: Well said.
Speaker 1: I hope that it doesn't like you guys are talking
about other spin offs like you have your Miles moraless,
like Spider Man's.
Speaker 3: Yeah, don't stop those, don't stop those. They can keep
at those.
Speaker 1: But I mean, I really don't need like an Ezekiel
Simms Spider Guy dropped in a project, Like it's just
that's not the Spider Man I want.
Speaker 3: I want a Spider Man, you know.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately it seems like Marvel mcu is the are
the ones that are doing the actual Spider manning because
I'm pretty sure, yeah, we got Spider Man four that's
been cooking up and stuff. But again, topic for another day,
m hm.
Speaker 3: So moving on from that. What do we have next,
ladies and gentlemen, We have some Harry Potter castings. Have
you guys seen the latest on.
Speaker 2: This gues couple names and faces pop in in about.
Speaker 1: We got four like the four head honchos here right now.
We got Hagrid, we got Dumbledore, we got Snape and McGonagall.
So what do you guys want to start with?
Speaker 3: Who want to who do want to talk about?
Speaker 2: McGonagall McGonagall.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 2: For me, I saw a couple of these names. I
didn't like deep dive on all of them. I didn't
see the McGonagall casting.
Speaker 1: Uh you know what, I'm trying to find it in
this article too, because I did not see that as well.
Speaker 3: I saw the Snape, I saw the Hagrid, and I
saw I got a name. I got a name for
sh Sharon Morgan.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, come on, I am unfamiamiliar with what else
she has been in.
Speaker 3: So let's look at what her I am is full of.
Speaker 2: Because it's gonna be tough for me just seeing these faces,
because of course Harry Potter I've just seen a million
times and because I've never read the books, the faces
that I got on screen are just kind of who
I see these character ass So it's gonna be tough.
You know the old Harry line, how dare you stand
where they stood? I feel like that might be hitting
me a few times by seeing these faces, but I'm
gonna do my best to not judge until I see it.
But I don't know. It's tough for me to see
this as McGonagall. Yeah, I think that across the board, Uh,
for me, what stands out is like, Wow, they're going
a lot younger than the original crew, professors, whoever else
that they had for for those movies back in the day.
And I'm part of that. I'm wondering is like, oh
is it because I watched those movies as a kid
and they those people look like they were super old,
but now they aren't. But no, I mean, I think
across the board, like all the castings that we've seen
so far are, whether it's just speculation or not, is
like like at least ten to twenty years younger. And
especially for McGonagall, I don't know how old the actress
was in that original movie sixty seven, right, and this
actress looks like forty mid forty fifty four like that. Okay,
there go fifty four, but not a gray hair on
that head of hers. So I don't really know anything
about this actress that I've seen her in like a
couple things. I think the one thing that I have
seen her in is uh is Game Night. I forget
what her character's name in that fe like she's in
that movie. So yeah, I don't know. It's it's interesting,
and some of these are a little bit more low
key actors. But I also feel like, at least for
me back in the day, like I feel like when
I first watch Harry Potter, all the Professor characters, I
think I'd never seen them in any other movies in
my life, but I think they were all like fairly
well established for their careers. A lot of them that
was their like breakout, our biggest role that they ended
up having, Right, But yeah, I don't know. I guess
going for some more ununder lower key is maybe a
good way to go. And then some of these are
not like bigger actors, but I don't know. This one
seems like she seems more like a Trelawney or something
to me, Like I don't know if I see her
as McGonagall. But at the same time, I think it's
a good route, not just to go younger. Maybe that's
a good route, like maybe producing a TV show is
gonna take a lot longer, and so they want people
who can age up a bit more. I don't know,
in a bit of a better way perhaps, but yeah,
I don't know. I feel like they also do would
do well to differentiate themselves from those previous castings, because
a lot of those are so iconic. I think McGonagall
you can get away with, but something like Snape, I
think it's a great idea to go for like a
drastically different type of cast casting than what we had before,
just because like that is such an iconic role, that
is like an ingrained in so many these people, so
many people's minds, and I think it's, yeah, it's good
to go for like a different route. So I'm okay
with some of these, even if I don't see them
right away. I think that's maybe a good thing to
switch it up from like the status quo of what
we've had before, because it wasn't really that long ago,
Like the last movie ended in what like only twelve
or something like. It's not like this is a thirty
year old franchise or something. It's still fairly modern ish
if you think about it. Yeah, No, absolutely, And I
think it's because of what I was saying earlier. How
I never never read the books first, so I never
was able to like kind of picture my own images
from what was described in the novels. I just got
what was given to me in the movies. It's always
going to be kind of hard for me to look
past whoever they have. So I do agree with the
sense that maybe they should really go in a different
direction to Yeah, just just separate it, because if you
don't want it to make it seem like they're trying
to recreate and capture like the image of the previous actors,
because it just won't be the same, right, Like you
can't just have a close to Alan Rickman casting for
snap snape, like I think it would just be seen
as a bad attempt and then people will just be
criticized in that regard. My favorite amongst all of these
is it would be Brett Goldstein. Goldstein, however you say
his name the chap from ted Lasso for Hagrid, I
just think he's such like a hairy bloke, and uh,
you know, Hagrid is not Harry Potter blow Harry h A,
I r y and I don't know. I I think
I just really really loved him from Ted Lasso. Of
course he's Hercules now in four seconds, so for four seconds,
but he's still he's still there, he's still cooking. Maybe
we'll be fighting Chris Evans, we'll see. But yeah, just
out of all of them, I think that's the one
that really stands out, or maybe not stands out, it
stands in the right direction for me with the casting. Yeah, yeah,
that one's That one's a that's a weird one because
as soon as I saw him, like, oh this makes
sense visually, I feel like I see it on him
and I can I think I can picture him with
a huge head of hair and a beard, I don't know,
like like a big bushy beard. Normally he has some
scruff going on there. But I think for me, part
of it in you know, once again to my previous point,
good to go a different direction than what we had before.
No one's gonna match that earnestness that Robbie Coltrane had,
right like, you want to go a different direction. I
think it's a good, good call, But I feel like
you at least need Hagrid to be just a guy
that you just instantly love, very lighthearted, very funny. I
think the voice is very important, and to me, Brett
has like just the deepest, grovelliest, like demon voice, and
like I've you know, I've only seen him in Ted
and then recently in Shrinking season two, and like both shows,
he plays just like a deeply depressed character and I
feel like, maybe that's just not the best type casting
for specifically what they want to do with Hagrid here,
and maybe he's had some other performances where he is
more of a light hearted guy and he's smiling in more.
So I need to see this one.
Speaker 3: But I am.
Speaker 2: Excited to see like how he portrays this character because
I like, I like what the actor could bring to
the role. I think I just that one's gonna take
some getting used to, for sure.
Speaker 1: To imagine if that's just their new approach to make
it their their own thing, just the pressing.
Speaker 3: Like upset Hagrid just.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I feel like, you know, they they
probably do want to add more dimensions to all these characters.
That's the point of doing a TV show. You have
a lot more room to flesh them out, and I'm sure.
I mean I feel like even at moments like there
are some like you know, when he loses a dragon
and stuff whatever is going on there, right, there are
moments of sadness there. I feel like in the last
few movies we talked about this recently, like Hagrid just
like goes away like barely in some of those last
movies at all. And so I don't know, I think
that it is good to have maybe more dynamic nature
to like all these characters and explore these different sides
of it. So yeah, maybe they want to go with
a character who could like go to some lower places
at times. And I feel like, yeah, maybe Bret's a
great pick for someone to be able to do that.
Speaker 1: He does go to Askapan too briefly for Chamber of Secrets, right,
So I mean you could have someone just be super
upset about that. I mean, I don't know if he
faced off against any mentors that are just going after
him and ask Kaban, but I.
Speaker 2: Mean Kirk rewatched it four minutes ago, so I don't know,
do you remember or are you saying that's in the
book Taylor.
Speaker 1: Actually well, in Chamber of Secrets, I don't they arrest
him in Chamber secrets. They rest him because he was
looked at as being the person who opened up the chamber.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, he does. Yeh, got slipped up. Just just
in regards to Brett Goldstein, it's funny that you mentioned. Yeah,
it's like super iconic gravelly voice. I haven't seen shrinking,
so I've only really seen him in ted Lasso and
then the two minutes of well two seconds of Hercules,
I guess. But he has a podcast it's called Films
to be Buried With, I believe, And it's funny because
he sounds so differently like like in his normal Yeah.
I don't think I've ever listened to an interview with
him or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Maybe that's just what his character is doing in those shows.
And he's so good at like that type casting role.
So I'm not surprised that, like he's had more similar
types of roles because he is just so fantastic in
ted Lasso as like the big, just tough, grizzly guy
who's gone, you know, got a tough it's like he's
always got his guard up, and then you know, as
you go on with the show, you find he's just
a big softy underneath, and I think that big softie
underneath those moments that they have like in ted Lasso,
I think I see again like a more of a
restrained Hagrid. But I definitely think he could he could
hit that that caliber. And yeah, I would also just
love for him to be seen as like a great
Hagrid because I think I don't want to just have
him going in that truth, like in that box of
just being the big, tough, gravelly depressed character for his
whole career. I don't think that'll be his whole career,
but I yeah, I would just like to see more
of range from that guy, because I do really like him.
And yeah, but it's just funny. It really threw me
off the first time I ever heard him on that podcast,
because he just sounds so different from his character. But
maybe the Dementors get to them, like what you're a pitch.
Speaker 1: Well on the note you said caliber uh, Mark Rylance.
Now he's apparently a prospect for a Dumbledore. I have
only seen him in one project, and that's the Ready
Player one.
Speaker 2: Do you mean Mark Strong?
Speaker 1: I don't think so, because Mark Ryland wrong Mark Rylance
for Dumbledore. And then Mark Strong more recently emerged as
a prospect for the part, So there are two potential
marks here they really like.
Speaker 2: To play, Okay, gotcha?
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.
Speaker 1: So I like the pick of Mark Rylance because I mean,
I've only seen him in the one role, and I
haven't seen BFG. Maybe a little bits and pieces of it,
but uh no, I think that I don't know that's
that's a character that it would be interesting to see
how a new take would approach with that, because we've
had two interpretations of it, and I think we've discussed
this in the reviews, where that original Dumbledore, the late
Richard Harris. Seeing him in those roles where Dumbledore has
to be like fighting Bouldeward and be a little bit
more mobile, I can't picture it. I feel like he
just like would just kind of like hover and float
because he just seems.
Speaker 3: So more old wizard wizard type.
Speaker 1: But then you have the new Dumbledore in these order
the Phoenix movies and whatnot, he's just casting like fucking
not about aandabor but just counter spells and just going
crazy left, right and center.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I feel like, still though both of those,
he's like an old geezer. You know, and I feel
like this is like, okay, we're once again going younger,
which is across the board. But something I think about
all of these, it's hard for me to picture like
a younger Dumbledore. And I guess we did get that
with the hell There's we was called fantastic beasts, but
that's I don't even want to think about fantastic beasts.
I feel like maybe they're maybe they're trying to bridge
the bridge the gap there age wise, but yeah, I don't.
I feel like I don't have a ton of experience
with a of these guys. Mark Strong seems like a
decent pick. I don't know, I'm not too familiar with
the other guy, but I don't know. This is another
one where I I really it's gonna take some getting
used to For all these I need to see them.
I need to see what their outfits look like, you know, like,
is this dumble door gonna have a beard and long
hair and are they gonna make him have like white
hair and stuff and throw a hat on him, or
is he gonna be like a young guy with like
a shaved you know, a nice clean shaven look like.
I don't know what they're gonna do here. Especially in
the case of Mark Strong, I feel like I've never
seen that man with facial hair other than like a
small little mustache or something, so like to just picture
him with the big dumble door beard, especially like Sorcerer's
Stone level dumble door where it's like it seems like
it's beard's to the floor, it's a big old pointy hat.
It's just it's a it's a weird image. It's almost
like it's almost like a cause play, right, like like
it's a recreation of someone else's character. And then it's
funny with Mark Rylance. Yeah, when I looked him up,
I definitely remember him from any Player one and he's
just such a fucking weird character in that movie, so
to like have that similar behavior, but like in the
dumble Doore role, it's just it's a funny concept to me.
But yeah, trying to judge it, I guess for until
I actually see the project, but I will give my
thoughts on what I think initially.
Speaker 1: As in the in the chat said Jude Law, which
I totally forgot about Jude Law with Fantastic Beasts, and
I really like Jude Law's interpretation, but h Mark Strong.
I think you're right. Yeah, the facial hair thing. I
think the only time I've seen him with facial hair
it would have been in the Penguin and that was
just a very brief scene. But he's a very good actor,
but I can't picture him as a dumble Dore and
I would definitely put the other Mark what.
Speaker 2: Level of facial air does he have? I can't remember.
Speaker 3: It was kind of like just like a light like
just yeah.
Speaker 2: So he's always got like a very minor little mind,
but the hair on top of his head seems to
be very low so gone, yes, which I guess Dumbledore,
you drop a hat on it, maybe we don't even notice.
But I do feel like also something Dumbledore like more
from the books that doesn't necessarily transfer over to the
movies is like a whimsy to him and like a
bit more silly and jovial at times, uh in kind
of like an old wizardy sort of type of way.
And I feel like they went for much more serious
or a character who has a lot of wisdom and
kind of took away some of those elements to it.
And I feel like Mark Strong, specifically not Rye Lance,
to be precise, here could be the guy who brings
in that kind of that kind of goofiness to it.
So that's something i'd like to see.
Speaker 3: This is the the book Dumbledore.
Speaker 2: Like a con artist, right, so he's like he's a
that's brown hair, that is a young that is a
youthful wizard right there. The other image because there's an
old double door right next to it.
Speaker 1: I don't know about this one, but I know this
is the Philosopher's Stone back of the book.
Speaker 2: Well, I can change in ten years at Hogglarts. Yes,
Oh that's crazy.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, what would we cover all of
the names.
Speaker 2: The last one was Snape, which is this actor's name.
That's what I'm trying to find, Papa do.
Speaker 3: I hope I'm saying that last name correctly.
Speaker 2: Probably not good time you.
Speaker 3: Guys seen him in any of the projects.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go check out his IMBB as we speak.
I'm gonna follow Dylan on Black Mirror. Okay, Well, I've
seen him in an episode, but I don't remember that.
Men men, Okay, well, I only think of the one
guy in Man who played every character and then the
main girl. I don't oh. I think maybe he was
the boyfriend of that, which isn't He's not like actively
in it. He's just like in flashbacks and stuff like
she's just thinking about him from what I can remember.
So really, I I can't picture him like actually acting.
He's more just like a guy who's who's been around
murder on the orient To Express. So there you go.
I guess I've seen him in a few things, but
I don't have any strong memories of of any of
these things. Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen any of these projects,
so I really can't judge the gentleman. Yeah, I don't know.
I think whoever they find this is probably gonna be
the hardest role to to fill, just because like all
all of the actors that played like their you know,
their positions, it's a weird way to say that they're
who they're Cassa, I guess the roles. There you go,
that's the word I was looking at. I don't know
why I went with a sports reference there, but uh, yeah,
for all the actors that played their their specific roles
in those original Harry Potter films, it's it's gonna be
hard to replace. But I just feel like for Snape specifically,
it's just such a such a powerful like arc I
think that character goes through and specifically with just having
Alan Rickman do such a spectacular job and all kind
of the different sides of Snape that we see, like
throughout all the different movies, he kind of goes through
a lot of just different stuff with his character. Most
of it's kind of behind the scenes in the earlier films,
but I think once we get to the like just
the reveal by the end of the series, it makes
all of those moments just like uplifted in hindsight, and
no matter what actor you're gonna have, like, it's gonna
be just so difficult to get a similar effect. So
I'm curious kind of the role of Snape and if
it's going to be such a significant one in this
new telling of the start, Like, well, it's not a
new telling, it is a retelling. They're gonna be hitting
the same markers I would imagine, following like just the
original source material. But yeah, no, I think this is
gonna be a real hard one to yeah, just fill. Yeah.
I think that this is another one just like the others,
where I think it's a good direct, good direction to
go to just not try and get an Alan Rickman
two point.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: We've talked about that so much in the Marvel perspective, like, man,
who are they gonna get to do Wolverine? And it
turns out that they just caught Hugh Jackman to come
back and play Wolverine more because like sometimes a character
is just so synonymous with a specific actor, it's really
hard to get away from that. And I think in
this case, obviously Alan Rickman's not coming back, he's not
around anymore, so they're gonna have to go different route
here as they are with everyone here, and so I
think this is this is an interesting route to go
if anyone doesn't know this actor. He is black, So
obviously that is a very big departure from one what
Alan Rickman's character portrayal, of course is like. But also
from the books and like the you call it the
canon description of these characters as far as I remember
from the book. Uh so, But I'm all for it
because like these books and movies are like there's not
a lot of diversity, and then in general it's most
like ninety nine percent white people, and then you can
have the odd minor character of color who's like in
there and has like no relevant two lines. Yeah, exactly.
He has like no relevance on the story at all,
And so I hope that they go this route with
like multiple characters in terms of like, I don't even
you can even gender swap some characters too, for all
I care. Like, you know, obviously for some maybe more
mainstay ones, you want to keep that because it's important
to what the character is, but for other ones that
you definitely mess around with that. And I don't know,
I think this is this is a totally fine thing
to do as well. I just in terms of this actor,
I can't recall the performances I've seen him in enough
to say if he pulls off the snape angle of it,
But I don't know. I'm all for this in concept,
so we'll see, we'll see how it goes. I'm all
for it again, gender swabbing pretty much anyone in here,
But the one that I think they maybe should stay
away from is going from moaning Myrtle to something like
moaning Mike. You know, it's wouldn't wouldn't be hitting the
same effect. I don't know why I pictured like a
gas station worker, like just a gristly old guy when
you said that the Trucker had or something. Yeah, moaning
Mike the Boys Laboratory. No, my god, that would be
something else.
Speaker 3: I did see another name for.
Speaker 1: Professor McGonagall, Rachel Wise, who last she was in Black Widow.
Speaker 2: Rachel Wise.
Speaker 3: That's the Mummy.
Speaker 2: That's the Mummy lady. Damn. I mean, I think she's
absolutely fantastic. I like her in everything that I've seen
her in, which is probably like three titles total. Yeah,
I actually liked this as well. I like this pick
as well. I haven't. I feel like I'm more I
can't picture specific role, scene room, but I like this pick.
I think it's a good one. Do we know if
they're sticking to the same rule that they kind of
did with the original movies of like only casting British actors,
that's kind of what's going on right now. But yeah,
I think all these people we've talked about have been
is Mark Strong an American.
Speaker 3: Guy that they're all Brits? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Because Rachel why I thought she was not.
Speaker 3: I believe she is.
Speaker 2: Let me pull American American English American Okay, Okay, born Westminster, London.
There you go. Yeah, I feel like there's all they need. Yeah,
like they don't need like a birth certificate to get
you in. But like, if you're close, I'm sure that
they'll they'll allow it to slide. But yeah, I guess
so far, it seems like a lot of the casting
has been in that realm uh. We'll see if they
venture past that or like what characters they allow themselves
to break that rule on because they're obviously going for
like known actors for the professors and such. Yeah. Yeah,
is there any that we didn't break down yet? Any
rumored castings?
Speaker 1: Well, Dalton and the Chat just throw it an interesting one.
Adam Driver a Snape for Snape.
Speaker 2: I think he's too he's too bombastic, he's too loud
and big, and maybe he could he could shrink down
and be you know, more minuscule in his performance, more subtle,
But I don't. I don't know if I I don't,
I don't think I've seen him do it before, so
we'll see. He's got the hair, absolutely. I feel like
he's too jacked for Snape, you know. I feel like
he's gonna lose like one hundred pounds. If you're making
potions for a living and teaching people to make potions,
you are not jacked. No, definitely not unless you make
a potion that makes you jock. Potion of strength. Yeah, okay, yeah,
possibly possible. Yeah, problem, potion problem.
Speaker 1: All right, Well we're gonna move on from our Harry
Potter casting discussion. We're gonna get into some Lord of
the Rings topics here right after this quick ad break
to Middle Earth.
Speaker 3: And we are back. Oh my goodness, no ads in
Middle Earth.
Speaker 2: Like, I've never seen a sign for like a shop. Well,
they have menus, right, we discussed that there isn't there
is that is established that there is menus. But so
if there's menus, there's probably some marketing material, you think, So, like,
I I feel like that's the next step. I'm not
going to say one goes hand in hand. Which kingdom
would be like into that kind of thing? I feel
like definitely what's his name in the white in the
white Tower on door, Yeah, Denis thora. I could see
him whipping out some ads, I guess. I feel like
Hobbits might be into advertisements. You know that's another one
I could see.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, it's Kirkland there always welcome back, Thanks.
Speaker 2: For having me, guys. Yeah, I would say Dennisthor would
be running those apps. More door. Probably not so much.
There's not a lot of currency going on.
Speaker 1: But but there their family, their their families out there.
I just got appeal to the family man and the
baby or yeah baby.
Speaker 2: Orcs collar workers. That's that's more. That's more door. It's
like the the Henry Forward era. You know, people are
just they can feed their wife and kids with a
factory workers salary. That's the mortor they probably want. Honestly,
that's kind of what my gosh, I'm going to my
rings of power now, theories on what was the what
was the bloke that was betrayed by all of his children?
My gosh, what was his name?
Speaker 3: You know what, Dylan, I'm sorry, I don't.
Speaker 2: We'll say that guy. Yeah, that guy, that's what he was,
Henry Ford. Yeah, oh god around around here? Oh you
know that's the that's the what elf, isn't it around now?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: I thought you had it there for something. It's something
short and sweet there. Gonna look it up because we're
we're circling like a couple of sharks that are foal.
They don't want to take the bit yet.
Speaker 3: You were close, Stylan. It was an A starts with an.
Speaker 2: A N R or something right at all. Oh, yes,
that's what we're.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 1: On that note of Adar Lords of Rings, we have
a lot of very interesting stuff here. I think two
big time topics of discussion here with Vigo riding his
horse back or maybe the studio has been riding their
horses to him, because they're basically trying to wrangle him up. Yeah,
and I'll go style for another appearance in Lord of
the Rings. I think that's you know, hunt for Gollum
is what they're trying to like snag him for and
maybe in the long run it could turn into multiple
other projects, because I think that's what they're kind of
looking at the good old Ian for mister Gandalf, because
I think that they want to just get him on
the get him on behind the camera, and just not
behind the camera, get him in front of the camera,
and just get him in a bunch of scenes so
they can use him in a bunch of different projects.
I think that's at least my interpretation, because he seems
to be pretty gung ho for a lot of things
right now. But yeah, Vigo, what do you guys think
about this?
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've talked about it a lot recently. It's come
up quite a few times. It's one of those things
like money talks. I feel like he wouldn't want to
do it, But then like if a bunch of other
people come back, I feel like they, ah, fine, I'll
do it, of course with a truckload of golden coins.
But I don't know. I'm very skeptical about a lot
of this Lord of the Ring stuff. I don't know.
I can always just enjoy my original trilogy, but like,
I don't want this stuff to ruin my opinion of
any of these characters or actors or this world. Right, Yeah, no,
I'm going to forever have you know that that trilogy
that no matter what they come out and do and release,
I will always have that. It'll be untouched. They can't
change my physical copies that I have. I'll forever be
able to enjoy those. But I will say I feel like,
out of any character, you can make arguments for a
lot of different characters in the Tolkien universe, specifically ones
that were in the Lord of the Rings trilogy that
Peter Jackson did, Like for those actors and the characters
that were shown, you can make a case for a
lot of them that you could do a good story
with pretty much all of them, but I feel like
for Aragorn and Vigo, I feel like that is like
the golden one to do, just just the idea of
like Vigo. I would want it to be not a
prequel or anything like that, because like we're already you know,
we've already talked about Hunt for Gollum and all that stuff.
But I would really want, like my best case scenario
something like later in his in his rule, like when
he is actually old grizzled, like you know, when you
have you have what is it? It's when Aoin is basically
like just sad about the idea of leaving for the Arwin,
not Ilwin. I don't know why I said her Arwin
is sad about leaving for the the Undying Lands because
she's gonna be leaving ara Gorn. And then you have
l Ron basically just saying like, no matter what happens
if you stay, he's going to eventually die, even though
he can live a very long time. And then you
see those shots of him like an old grizzled man man,
Like I feel like there is a juicy story you
could tell, or yeah, you could tell with Vigo's character
kind of in that era of his rule, and it
wouldn't just feel like it is them throwing him back
in his ranger uniform, like like it is no time passed,
you know, Like I would really want that to be
the last resort maybe having like a story that's super
close to the time of the events of The Lord of
the Rings, I would want something very distance. And Yeah,
it's just a really good opportunity to tell kind of
like like we've seen Vigo go through the rise of
becoming the King, you know, the return of the King,
Like we saw that whole adventure, but let's let's have
him like decades later after the Rain of Yeah King LSR.
I just feel like there's a lot of sweet juice
there that. And it's also I feel like because we
have Rings of Power, that's of course set different universes,
but like thousands of years before the events the Lord
of the Rings, like we just have a lot of
stuff kind of before that's those events, but really nothing afterwards. Right,
Like there's the the Hidden Lost Tale of I can't remember,
I can't remember what it was even called, but Tolkien
started writing like a sequel to the Lord of the Rings.
It's it's basically just the new type of sour on
threat that's arising. But it never really got that much
I don't know written before he passed. So I just
think there's a lot of good, juicy stories that could
be told, like well after the events of the Lord
of the Rings, and it's.
Speaker 3: Just the spirit of Denosaur coming back.
Speaker 2: No Dennis or let him rest, let him rest with
the thought of his sons in his mind. And in
this this you know, supposed world, I'm kind of setting
up like all those characters would be long gone because
he's kind of the only dude in a dying right
around at least the events of the movies of Lord
of the Rings, So I would expect I don't even
know why I'm pitching this as if it's like something
said in Stone, It's just in my fantasy world, this
is kind of what we're getting and a leg stick around.
Speaker 1: I can't remember if he went to the Undying Lands,
because I think him and like his fone, no, he
stayed with yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah he so I guess yeah, they bloom back in
he would he would be the character that has to
look the exact same right, because he would be like
the r Win situation where he isn't aging uh at
the same rate as someone like even the Dunodyne would be.
Speaker 3: They're pretty cool. I'll have them both in a duo movie.
Speaker 2: Keep Orlando bloom Away. I don't know. I I like
them in the role, but the more I see of
that guy, I'm just like, I don't think he's a
good actor at all. I love him at Pirates, but
I don't know. It's just I like the stuff that's
going on around him more so than specifically his performances. Yep.
Speaker 1: I think what you guys have said is I resonate
with it. I think you guys hit it pretty spot on.
Speaker 3: And putting him.
Speaker 1: In the Strider gear and putting him back in a prequel,
it is a little weird after seeing him kind of
go on this transition and this journey and we already
know his endgame and know his story. It's it's definitely
appealing to see him in a position where, like you
Pitch Kirkle and having him in the future setting, I
like that a lot. I think there's a lot of
possibilities there, But just to have him and his character
come back at all, I will take it. I will
take it and yeah, I'm going to remain optimistic to
see how they do it, and as long as it's
not shoehorned in there, because there are some characters that
feel a little bit shoehorned in with those Hobbit movies.
And I'm just are they doing it because it fits
with the story or are they doing it because they're
trying to cash in with the fan It's in.
Speaker 3: The community, right, yeah, their cashion. So I just hope
that that's not going to be the case. Here.
Speaker 1: They take their time and they actually weave together a
pretty intricate story.
Speaker 3: But speaking of stories, my goodness.
Speaker 1: So from what I've seen from these articles and people
are reporting on this, it looks like, Okay, depending on
how the new film War that we're hearing is going
to do, and depending on how very early stages of
development the Hunter galam is going to do, this is
going to basically set the tone for future projects. And
I think that they're looking at standalone projects. And we've
talked about this before when they were just name dropping
all these rumors like.
Speaker 3: Oh, we're gonna give an Aergarm movie again off movie Yeah, yeah, yeada.
Speaker 1: So it looks like they're talking about War the or
hear them sequel talking about a whole new mainline trilogy
in Lord of the Rings in that same vein no
idea about what they're thinking time period wise, but they're
basically like saying, and I quote anything Professor Tolkien wrote,
you see the layers and layers it's underneath there, and
how interconnected they all are, and so end quote, that's
basically their sandbox. They want to pull from all these stories.
But afterwards, I'm pretty sure how they were talking about
it Hunt for Gollum and then after maybe doing like
a mainline trilogy and then getting into some more standalone films.
Speaker 3: What do you guys think about all these ideas?
Speaker 2: It's pretty bold, pretty bold, Yeah, I mean I think
really what it's gonna come down to in terms of animated,
that one's pretty simple. They're just gonna see how Roherm does.
Looking like it's not gonna do amazing, who knows, maybe
it'll pick up over the holidays and end up having
a pretty good run. There's so many other movies releasing, though,
that's hard to envision that happening. I would love if
it did, though, uh So, I kind of feel like
that's gonna be a bit of a one and done
in terms of the animated thing. That's what it's looking
right looking like right now. And I think for Hunt
for Gollum, like that movie is gonna do well when
you bring back a lot of those main players again. Uh,
people are gonna be interested. They're gonna want to go
see that. A lot of people. It seems like I've
been kind of checked out, like it Rings a Pow
numbers are pretty good, but at least from my Lord
of the Rings friends who I talk to about this stuff,
they're like, oh, yeah, I never really got around a
season two and they don't even know about this animated movie,
or they're like I might see it later, or like
let me know how it is after you review it,
Like that's how the conversations usually go. And those are
like people who are diehard fans for this stuff. So
I feel like it's it's like that's the kind of
thing that would bring people back, is getting those legacy
actors to come back and play those characters again. But
once again, I feel like I kind of hope from
their side too, even just a business wise like CEO
Hunt for Gollum does and then go from there, it
does kind of feel like, Okay, is it just gonna
be like cash grab, like bring back these old actors
rather than telling new, interesting stories that expand the world.
I don't know, but maybe that's just the point of
Rings of Power. That can be the separate interesting, new
cool thing, different castings, and then we can have like
the movies in the theaters that are just kind of
cash grabs, but like maybe they're if they're fine movies,
you know, maybe that's all we need. So I don't know.
I think it's I think we're far away from getting
another trilogy, would be my guess, just because I think
they want to wait and see how these movies do
and then like think about it and then maybe start
green light and like all that process takes years and
years and years. So I think we're pretty far away
from it. But I don't know. We're kind of getting
way more Lord of the Rings content than I would
have expected five years ago, So maybe I'm just totally
wrong on that and it's about to pop off even bigger. Yeah,
I think a trilogy is not what I want. In
the Lord of the Rings vein, I don't want them.
It's a big commitment too. Yeah, No, absolutely, and it
also just in my mind, it makes me think that
they just want to, like, man, let's just recreate, let's
recapture the Peter Jackson trilogy, you know, and it's they
had to bring him back to do another trilogy with
the Hobbit and that, I mean, I guess it made
a lot of money. So I'm not really good at
judging that, and I haven't even seen the projects, Like
I shouldn't really judge it, but I think that there's
if you're committing to a trilogy, you're committing to a
very long can like a contained story, right, Like it
all has to be attached to each other. You have
to have progression from movie one to movie two to
movie three. That's a very very big story to tell,
and there's so many pieces and money involved in getting
that out the door. Whereas I feel like you're losing
maybe certain creative freedoms of having a big budget for
a single story that's told over three movies, or have
that big budget broken down into multiple smaller yeah, just
smaller ideas, whether it's in the animated vein or I
don't know, a different TV show or just smaller budget movies.
Like I we're not. We don't need to have an
insane budget to make an amazing story. And I think
that's I'm fearful that they're thinking that they can just
throw big, big buku boku boku dollars into uh In,
into Lord of the Rings and just get gold out
of it, like you can't just buy these golden gooses,
and I don't, I don't know. I would really love
to see a lower budget Lord of the Rings project
and what they're able to do with that. And I
say lower budget probably still you know, close to one
hundred million dollars, but let's go, let's go less than
one hundred million dollars. Let's set the bar there. I
don't need boku dollars. There you go, that's my doll successful.
Speaker 1: I would love to see a trilogy focusing on more god.
Speaker 3: Trilogy just.
Speaker 1: His like his his fall first time he falls, then
he like I'm assuming he rises back up to power,
and him teaming up with Onngoliant and then him facing
off against Angoliants and like more goth like sitting on
his army of bow rogs, like I want to see
on screen, like give me that final battle with like
six seven bowrogs just all charging and like, oh my god,
your budget this movie that you're pitching roof, it's like
a Mojo Mojo Universe number.
Speaker 2: It's just incalculable.
Speaker 3: Craven under has got nothing on this budget I'll talk about.
But I think it's such.
Speaker 1: A beautiful world where you could really kind of get
into those kind of really awesome fight scenes. And that's
what I like about Rings of Power for the you know,
it does a lot of things that are questionable and
a lot of the things right, but the battles and
those sequences, I really do enjoy it, and I think
it's it's a lot of fun, like that opening Rings
a Power Season one, episode one, that brief little opening
of just this the Alves arriving at Middle Earth and
that whole battle where you have the the nas Ghoul
or the riders. What is it that they're ah, what
are they riding again? They're flying on.
Speaker 2: The fell Beasts?
Speaker 1: Yes, thank you, the Fell Beasts versus the Eagles. Like,
I just want to give me a trilogy of just
that one battle just through like six at nine hours
of just.
Speaker 2: This battle of five armies. We've been there four Taylor,
but a trilogy of it the Bettle, the fifteen Armies.
Speaker 3: I'd be there for sure. Well, anything else, Sally forth.
Speaker 2: And then we're still talking about Lord of the Rings.
You know, like like what you're saying doing like five
years ago never would have been imagining that we're talking
about all these like multiple Lord of the Rings projects.
Although I'm not like the most positive and all the
stuff that's coming out, it's it's still it's still awesome
that you know, it's not just captured in the two
thousand and five realm. We can still expand upon this
universe that the great and powerful Tolkien set us on.
Speaker 3: Great powerful.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna jump to probably our last ad break
and we're gonna talk about some trailers, so we'll be
right back and we are back, all right. So we
got four trailers, by my account, that should be pretty
fun to discuss.
Speaker 3: I count five, You count five. I count my gosh.
Speaker 1: Oh, I know exactly what one you're talking about. And
I have disappointed you, Maddie. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's targeted.
Speaker 3: But I know you guys. You guys don't disappoint you.
Speaker 2: Guys are just fine. I didn't see any of them, sorry, Maddie. No,
I think I caught them all. I don't know. I
guess we'll see when we go through the list. Lead
us in, lead us in. I'm gonna start pretty pretty
hot and heavy here. I I think The Gorge is
a truly terrible trailer. I really really like the two
leads of this film. On you, Taylor jew of course,
you know, shouts out on your army, black hair, black hair,
on you too. Yeah, yeah, we got Assassin, we get
her playing Chess, the Queen's Gambits, coming Back, grow Back,
and this trailer. I just felt like I was really,
really really into the opening of this trailer, and the
more it went on, I'm just like, man, I'm not
gonna see this unless unless it's really positive buzz i.
I just really didn't like what they're which is the
two of them in the Gorge. I didn't like how
we were going through. I'm not gonna say we're going
through different seasons, but it seems like they're there a
very long time, but then there's also five days. But
then it also goes to them just it seems like
when they're doing their introduction to like what they're doing
at the Gorge by the time, like later on the
trailer like actions going on. It seems like it's the
exact same time. I don't know, there's just a lot
of different what I felt were just just pacing issues
maybe with what this trailer was. Like. I felt like
they were subtle with their approach and introducing to what
it is, and then it's just like and this is happening,
this is happening, this is happening, and it just and
then we actually see them like in the go.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I think I think this trailer didn't know if it
wanted to be really subtle or show a lot, and
it just kind of gave us everything. And I wasn't
really a fan of just I don't even know if
it was music, but whatever the sound was that was
going on. I just didn't really like this trailer. And
I will say I guess I'm gonn follow u up
with a question for you guys. I have really been
disappointed lately with not big screen action movie releases, and
that is specifically for like streaming properties. It all kind
of started with a Triple Frontier. I got extremely excited
for that movie. Go check out me and Travis did
a review for that movie. Whenever it came out years
upon years ago, but that had a major like cast
in it that I was really excited for. I really
liked the trailer, and it was just very mid at best,
like it was very forgettable film. The Gray Man that
came out, that was the Russo's project, I believe with Create. No,
it wasn't Chris Evans, it was the hot goss Ryan
Gossling himself, extremely flat. Like, I just feel like all
these these action movie streaming projects and there's probably one
that I'm forgetting or maybe I haven't seen that is
really phenomenal. It's just in my history, I feel like
I've really gone down in hype levels on a streaming
service action movie release. And maybe that's not justified and
very unfair, but yeah, I like and I've seen amazing
streaming like like whether it's Netflix original movies, but just
specifically action movies. There's just something that I feel like
is missing when I've been seeing them. And of course
that's like an over big dark cloud over me. When
I'm just watching this, I see the Apple Plus logo
on it, it's just like, oh man, I like these actors,
but just I'm not liking this trailer and honestly, it's
just the tarot cards are telling me that maybe this
isn't gonna be a very special project. I would love
to be wrong, but I'm I'm not gonna seek this
out until I hear some very very positive praise and
I'm gonna put my bet down. I don't think I'm
gonna be getting that, and you know, I'll be eating
my words if i'm if I'm wrong. But what do
you guys think about this one? Yeah? I think a
really interesting point you made there of just like the
action streaming movies, and like, is that the place for these?
Is that kind of what we're looking for here? It's
funny watching this trailer. I wasn't sure, and I wasn't
even sure until you confirmed it there whether this was
a television show or a movie because whatever. It's like Apple,
It's like, I don't know, this is this movie show.
Who knows what's going on here? But I think we
get to your point of like they really showed a
lot here. It feels like, oh yeah, this is more
of like a movie trailer where they kind of show you,
like just a bit towards the end of act two,
maybe even an act three, where they actually go down
to the gorge there. I think you make a great
point there. I think I'm a lot less negative on
it than you, but I do think it definitely. Yes,
it does get a bit worse, but I think it
was more just like it was showing way too much
by the end of it. I think you didn't need
to show anything in the gorge. I think for me
to be sold. And I don't know, maybe that's like
a bad Maybe it's like maybe they're not in their
towers for as long as I want them to be.
I feel like that to me seems like a really
fun concept for a movie. These two solitary characters in
their towers, living their individual lives, so they get intertwined
with each other, but then like also still for like
a year, you know, just being on their own in here,
and then like an inciting event forces them down to
actually do something. It's got like a little bit of
like Firewatch and the tower there, and like talking on
a radio and just like communicating in minor ways. And
I think it's really cool. I like, I like the cast,
like the two main leads there, I think is really fun.
I do think in terms of like the action movie
side of it like one. I think that if you
look at like the writers and directors of this, it
makes a lot of sense. Like Scott Derrickson is the director.
He here, of course, who did the first Doctor Strange
and then he did one of the uh or he
was supposed to do Jurassic Park, right Taylor, or Jurassic
World or something like he didn't end up doing it, Yes,
I think, is that great? Or did he end up
doing it? Actually?
Speaker 3: So, no, he never his name is not on any
of those kinds.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So. And then and then the writer I was
just looking this up, like his last movie was Fast
X and then like The Tomorrow War, twenty four Hours,
to Live Dead, Fault, which all just looked like very
like generic action movies. And one of them, like the
trailer popped up and I to be and there's like
weird creatures that look like the creatures in this tree trailer,
you know, popping up, And so it feels like, Okay,
maybe the tone of this is gonna be less like
slow burned character work and more fun action movie. And
like even the tone seemed a little silly to me
at times, which felt a little bit opposite to the
seriousness these other times, but even like, you know, Miles
Teller like gets his telescope and he looks over on you,
and of course he like just looks at her ass
real quick, and then she like turns around and looks
so up. But it's like they're so far away. How
did she like know that he was looking at her.
It's like a really goofy scene, you know, But I
feel like that's kind of what this movie is going
for to some extent, So I don't know. I am
really intrigued by the basic concept. I think that this
seems like a movie where like midway through Act two
into Act three, I'm gonna be like really uninterested in
what they do there generic fighting demons in a in
a hole. But I feel like the first section seems
like it could be really interesting, especially with these two
cast in this particular role. So I definitely want to
check this one out. I did we get a release
date in this trailer for the movie or is that
still unknown?
Speaker 3: I don't remember seeing one.
Speaker 2: Twenty twenty five February apparently, so I I know I'm
gonna be subscribed again Apple TV when Severn season two
comes out, which I think is pretty soon. I think
so I don't know. If I'm subscribed, I definitely would
probably check this movie out. So maybe I'll share my
thoughts and know what we've been watching sequence in a
future geek First News episode, But I don't know. I'm
also sigourny weavers in here, probably not for very long,
but like, yeah, I'm down, Like I like this cast,
so I could see myself checking this one out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm pretty excited. After seeing that poster and
after seeing this trailer, I think, Okay, this is maybe
not exactly what I was expecting, but I'm still excited
to watch this and see what we're dealing with here.
I think there's there's an interesting story narrative if you're
I hope. But the concept behind having these two separate
tower side side with no uh you're not allowed to
communicate with each other, I feel like, man, this is
just weird. If they wanted to keep these things down there,
they can have a much more efficient method of doing
it if you have like multiple.
Speaker 3: Crews here on rotation and communicating from one side of
the wall to the other side of the wall.
Speaker 1: It's just a little weird, But I'm I need to
see the movie first. To fully understand that. I feel
like what you were talking about Dylan, where he's like
just scoping out like her butt real quick. I feel
like you're gonna get a scene where she's gonna be
like slowly taking her shirt off, like off off of
her shoulder, and she's.
Speaker 2: Seems like I don't know if she, oh yeah, came
in that, but it seems like we're going down that
kind of sexy uh sexy spy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And while they're doing that, the monsters are escaping
from their.
Speaker 2: Towns.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So but I mean, I'm always down for a good
monster movie, and so we'll see what this one entails.
It releasing in February. Yeah, I'm I'm interested. I haven't
had Apple TV for a while, so I'm probably gonna
I'll renew it to specifically watch this along with a
few other shows as well. I know you mentioned Shrinking
Den A few other people have been recommending that to
me as well.
Speaker 2: So yeah, season two is kind of a drag. So
I watched season one and then close it out. Okay,
but yeah, no, I'm I'm adding this to my watch
list for sure. So that'd be a fun bread and
butter topic of just like great one season shows, you know,
like they don't end after one season, but they should
have really really awful. I remember Travis mentioning Altered Carbon.
I don't know if that was good for multiple seasons,
but I remember him saying it was really good season
one and then not so much after that. And I
feel like there's many of those actually, Like even I
never saw it, but I heard Westworld is phenomenal for
a little while and then it's not so uh yeah,
maybe I'll have to put that in the It is
in my bread butter notes. Now, hell, yeah, there you go.
It's solid. You guys want next? I pitched one, you
pitched it one. Well, I want to talk to you
guys a little bit about twenty eighth. We're at years now, right, yeah,
twenty eight years later. So I have not seen either
of these two movies leading up to it, but it
seems like my jam, it's like kind of virus outbreak
movie zombie situation.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: Have you guys seen the first two movies or either
either of them? Yes, I'm pretty sure I've seen one
of them. I don't know which one it is, though,
And it's funny because going into this, I think I
was thinking of like thirty days of Night or something.
Is that the one when they're in Alaska? Yeah, Taylor,
you okay, I definitely mixed up those movies. Taylor is
so good at these genre of movies. All thirty days
a night. It's two days after twenty eight days later.
Speaker 3: I'm kidding this guy.
Speaker 2: I believe you have me. You have on the hook.
I was nippling like a little fish. But yeah, I
guess my question on this is like, what are what
is the Jona Saiqua? What is the sauce of this
as like a zombie movie type thing? Is it like
really good characters? Is really good just action? Is it
really scary? Is it really good atmosphere? Like? Why are
these movies interesting? Why are we getting a trilogy of them?
What's like the special sauce for this as like as
where it fits in the genre. I guess.
Speaker 1: For me, I find that these movies are really good
at feeling. There's a lot of human emotion in this
and that first one, particular, twenty eight days later, that
one is definitely like the I put that over the
over the second one to some degree, but it's it's
great because it just feels hopeless. At times, and then
there are there's not many, but the odd moment where
it just feels you feel hope and you just feel
like all this energy emanating from these characters, and they
do a really good job of just kind of having
their stories develop and progress and just dealing with so
many triviulative things that aren't necessarily all. I mean, of course,
zombie are the root cause of a lot of these problems,
but the things that happen in between the zombies, where
it's other people that are bad and just the world
falling apart, all these different things, it's it's pretty nuts.
And then the concept of the zombies themselves. I think
that's what that's what makes interesting when we get into
this trailer, because in the first two films it's different
from regular zombies, and I think that that's.
Speaker 3: Really cool how they tackle it where it's it's.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't necessarily want to spoil that,
because I hope you guys go through and I would
love to do it.
Speaker 2: I would love to do a retro. I can't remember
if we pen that already, but yeah, I'm game as well.
If it hasn't been pen let's should we officially penant,
sign your bread and butter notes signing the contract orright now,
there we go.
Speaker 3: So we wrote that, but in a non spoiler way.
Speaker 1: The thing that makes these different from other zombies is
that these are living people that are infected with the virus,
but they'll die eventually, like if there's no food or
anything like that, they'll die because they're not undead like
a zombie is, which is very interesting. So you're dealing
with something that after a few weeks of just like starvation,
it's just gonna collapse and die, which changes the dynamic,
and that creates a very interesting scenario and narrative between
the first film and the second film, whereas here and
you can quote them on the movie poster, they're talking
about how things have evolved, YadA, YadA, YadA. So I'm
thinking with this, you're gonna be getting probably like class
type zombies, something a little bit more smarter, something that's
gonna be leading. Because there's several shots in this trailer
that show what looks like your standard rage virus infected
moving around and then one of these things kind of
standing there doing something sinister, and it looks like there
is a reoccurring one going up through through this trailer,
But yeah, I think you're just gonna be dealing with
some like smarter zombie.
Speaker 2: That makes sense. I mean I feel like to some
extent to you would think that naturally if like a
ton of the earth, Like, is it a worldwide epidemic
situation or is it just like in the.
Speaker 1: The first one is just in England and the second
one just in England.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, Okay, yeah, so I I guess yeah,
there's an element too over Like you would think if
these things have like a regular lifespan and they're you know,
they don't have the means to like make a house
and put food in a fridge, so they kind of
just need to like scrounch to survive, that they would
just like a lot of them would die out over
the course of twenty eight years, Like that's a lot
longer a period of time, but it seems like they're
still thriving. There's still a shit ton of them in
this movie. So whether that's an evolution thing or it's
just spread to a different location, I'm not sure. But
I think this trailer was was really interesting and really good,
had a very specific mood to it. I think the voiceover.
The lady was doing the voiceover for it, which is
kind of like a bit of a song and kind
of just like talking through things. It was like really
cool on atmospheric and interesting. So I don't know, I'm
I'm really intrigued by this. I don't think it was
necessarily my favorite trailer, but I think think just like
the concept. I it may be a bit of a gimmick,
but I love that it's like twenty eight days and
then twenty eight weeks and twenty eight years, and like
it's not exactly twenty eight years after the first one.
I don't think, right, but I don't know. I just
think it's a very like thirty years like, so it's
pretty close. Is that Actually? That's that's really see. I
just think that's so fun and interesting from like a
movie stwndpoint. It feels not as gimmicky as like other
legacy sequels we've got recently for some reason, even though
it is a bit of that same thing. But I'm
I'm really intrigued by this general concept. So yeah, I'm
I don't know, I'm excited to jump into this. And
the way that like Evil Dead was a complete mystery
to me. And then we did the retro and it
was the first time I watched those movies, and then
now I've been watching these new ones as they're coming out.
I think there was even announcement today of like another
one is officially confirmed, so that's pretty cool. I don't
know if we had that in our notes, but yeah,
I think this is gonna be a similar space for me,
and I'm excited to check this one off the list
because I love a good zombie, even if they're a
bit different, as you said, Taylor, in terms of their stats,
they're a little bit different than what we've seen before,
but I think that's a really cool idea, so hopefully
still have a bit of that uniqueness, even if they
have to come up with a story reason why they're
alive all these years later. Yeah, I'm I'm very excited
for this. I'm this is one where I'm not just
excited for the movie. I'm excited for the retro, Like
I'm excited for this whole adventure we're going to be
going on, these twenty eight adventures that we're gonna be doing.
And I it's funny, I'm very similar to you, Dylan,
where like I'm pretty sure I have seen twenty eight
days later or weeks I can't remember. You know, I'll
find that out when we go into it. Because Killian
Murphy is in. He's not in all of them, right,
is he just in the original?
Speaker 3: Just in the original?
Speaker 2: Okay, because I think I remember him, so maybe I've
only seen the original.
Speaker 3: The second one has Hawkeye in it.
Speaker 2: Jeremy Renner one of our patrons. Way, yeah, I am
out of Yeah, Jeremy Renner. But no, I'm I'm The
reason why I said I agree with you, Dylan is
I'm excited to get into this universe. But I don't
think this was really a great trailer. Like honestly, I don't.
I don't know. Maybe maybe maybe it is a good
trailer because it didn't show a whole lot, you know.
I was bringing up my grievances with that with the Gorge,
but I I like the the like just the setting.
I guess it's funny you mentioned just like the zombie atmosphere.
This felt like product Zomboid the movie. Man. I can't
wait to get in there with you. Dylan. Then play
some zomboie. I've been going pretty hard now. But yeah, no,
it very much reminded me of that, and that's the
greatest zombie game ever made. So I'm so excited for
That's a big claim. Yeah, that's a big claim. And
when we talk about on side Quest, we will have
to do a list of the zombie games because that's
a big claim. Pennett. Pennett put it in the in
the documents it yeah, sign it off, No, I yeah,
So I I liked the setting that was set there,
but like beyond that, I didn't. I wasn't loving everything
I was seeing. But I'm just intrigued by this film
and what it is really really like the cast that
they have in here, like Jody Comer, of course, she's fantastic,
Big Ray Fines love that guy so and then ATJ
can't forget about a TJ R. Crave in The Hunter,
the guy that sold already killed Sony Universe. You know
you put the nail on the coffin. Uh definitely wasn't
his fault. But no, Yeah, I'm I'm very much looking
forward to this. And although I didn't like this trailer,
I don't really need a trailer. I'm intrigued enough to
see this project. So yeah, they sold me.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you guys, this.
Speaker 1: Are you gonna go into that pitch black dark tunnel
with only your amasy little headlamp on and you have
a gun, you have your soul rifle.
Speaker 2: I mean, what's that steak here? You know? Is like
is like the cure too, is like the medicine that
I need on the other side of this tunnel. And
that's the only way to get there.
Speaker 1: Because if my commander is telling me that I'm I'm
calling bullshit. I don't think it's in that tunnel. If
it is, I'm going to get a bigger head lamp.
I ain't wear this thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that sounds fair, But how many lights and flashlights
and batteries and things do we still have twenty eight
years later? Like maybe you just don't have the tools,
you know, that's a fair point. Yeah, And maybe the
zombies the dark too, I'm not sure, extremely dependent on
the situation, the context of everything that's going on. You know,
like family member of mine is in there, and I
don't have to go save them. Maybe, but again my
history playing zombie games don't do that. It's not worth iTech.
Missions for zombie games tell me to go in there,
you know, specifically dying light and I usually just skip
those missions because I just don't want to do it
because they're scary, and I'll wait till I'm sure these
guys tried, but yeah, they can't skip their main quests
that they're on here. But speaking of randomly thought, if
you're played Dying Light too, Taylor, you and I were
kind of buzzing about it when it released. It's now
officially on the PlayStation catalog, so I will be touching
it at some point. I'm kind of excited about that,
but I was just I can't remember if you grip
the controller with some Dying Light too.
Speaker 1: No, I didn't grip that controller unfortunately, But if you
persuade me when you play it.
Speaker 2: If there's hey, if there's cross play, I know there's
multiplayer the first game out, If there's you there, good, No,
I'm not going in that tunnel that ki a floodlight.
Speaker 1: I know.
Speaker 2: Was the truly terrible trailer the Gorge? Or is there
another trailer that you hate even more than the Gorge? No,
it was the Gorge. I wanted to start either super
positive or super negative, and we got the super negative
out of the way. Can I go super positive here?
Please do it? The Brutalist ladies and gentlemen. I was
so blown away by this trailer, and I think it's
I think it's because I don't know, it's kind of
a funny thing where I'm always just like shipping over
Oscar movies. I'm like, they're so boring and like they're
just I get it, they're well made, but you know
I I kind of talked about that on my September
five review, but man, coming off Sptember five, I'm like, fuck,
this is a well made movie. And seeing this trailer,
I'm like, this looks like it's gonna be a fucking
Oscar movie, and it looks like it's gonna be extremely
well in this new era of Austinn. I'm excited for this.
I loved this trailer so much, and it's really not
a type of genre that I would normally be like
focusing on Adrian Brody, Yeah, I believe he's an Oscar
winner with the Pianist, which it's kind of funny, similar
type of name, uh to the Brutalist. My favorite appearance
by him is in the Great King Kong movie. I
was gonna ask you, guys, what's your what's the first
thing you think of when you think of Adrian Mroter.
For me, it's still King Kong all these years, it's
King Kong. A little bit of Tyler Saras. I don't know,
there's some Tyler Saras and what did you say, Taylor Predators? Oh, Predators,
that's another good one there. Definitely not like his highest
accolade movies, I would say, but I enjoy I enjoy
those ones the most. But yeah, no, I was really
really intrigued by everything in here. I'm not even like
a Guy Piers fan. I'm pretty much disliked. I think so.
I think so, like like Memento that had a lot
of buzz and stuff about it. I didn't really like
the movie, and I really just didn't like him in
that role, you know, like the big like text that
came that comes on the trailer, it's like, guys, wow,
let me try again. Guy Pierce's best performance of his career.
And I'm like, man, maybe this's gonna win me over
because I am kind of liking what I'm seeing from
his character in this trailer. He's seems like a piece
of shit. But this just looks like such a such
a like dark telling, I guess of I don't even
want to say dark telling, because it seems like there's
some nice hopefulness in there, but just maybe like a
focus on like a darker period of specifically just the
idea of a an immigrant going to America and just
the era that they're that they're covering, and it just
feels like an epic and and not in the sense
of like a big sci fi or fantasy epic. It
just seems like a historical epic and not like a
big war movie or anything like like, it just seems
something very special and yeah, movie, I'd never heard it before,
but after seeing this trailer, I got to see this
in theaters. This looks so amazing, And I'm expecting like
a three hour heavy watch, you know, it's kind of
on like an emotion. Fifteen minutes. Okay, that's been pretty long.
That's I mean, less than I was expecting.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I when I saw the trailer just felt like a
two forty minimum, so kind of like that too. Well,
it's two hundred and fifteen minutes. What does that transit?
Oh jeez, Okay, sorry, I never misfeard that. That's at
least five hours of my mess. That's wrong. Yeah, what
you got for us, Taylor.
Speaker 1: Uh, two hundred and fifteen minutes is what you said, Dylan, Yes,
I'm getting.
Speaker 3: Three and a half hours, So that's kind of was
that sane?
Speaker 2: So there you go trailers on the top of that
and you're there for four hours at that point. Yeah, crazy,
I'm gonna be bring don't get a soda for that one.
You're gonna have to take a leak at some point.
I probably Well, I did that for Endgame. I'm pretty
pre notorious for doing that for three hour movies. But uh, yeah,
get the catheter. At least we'll see see what I Yeah,
i'd call them. Yeah, yeah. I think this is a
very solid trailer as well. Looks very very emotional and
looks like, I mean, to some extent, looks like a
story we've seen before. But I think what you're to
your point like, it's just a well made trailer. Editing
looks really good, the visuals of it. Not that it's
doing some crazy huge bomb basket special effects, but just
like what it's doing seems really good, seems like some
great performances there. I'm excited to see Flossy Jones in
this because I feel like I haven't really seen her
in much beyond the Star Wars stuff, and I just
want to see more of her acting and see what
she can do. And this feels like a movie where
she could be just acting a whole lot, doing a
bunch of really interesting stuff. So yeah, I don't I
don't know if I'm gonna be there in the theater
with you, especially if it's that freaking long. Holy f
But I could see myself checking this one out as well,
So yeah, I think it was a very very solid
trailer for sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a good trailer and it's a
very interesting story, but I don't think I'm gonna be
seeing it in theaters. And after hearing that run time,
I think this is gonna be a home movie for me.
But you might get that another Oscar Solo review from.
Speaker 2: There you go, three hour long sololy cover. Yeah, because
you see what I cook up. Maybe Travis will be
there with me. We'll see, I know, I know, you know,
time is limited on his h in his vein, So
maybe a three and a half comes out of retirement
to review the brew list. Yeah, no retirement, hiatus, I
should say, when.
Speaker 3: When does that movie release?
Speaker 2: I can't remember it's one of those Oscar Oscar movies.
I feel like, kind of like poor things just gonna
randomly be out really late, close to the Oscars. Maybe
it's December twentieth, twenty twenty four, oh shit, oh yeah,
and then the film will be released in the United
Kingdom January twenty fourth, twenty twenty five, by Universal. So
is it delayed? I don't know, it's weird, just it
is scheduled to be released on December twentieth. The film
will be released in United Kingdom on Chenery twenty four.
So it seems like the initial idea was the twentieth
and that's now it's actually being released anyway. But yeah, no,
it's run time three hours and thirty five minutes. Look
at this budget though, six to ten million dollars for
the budget of this film, And look how good that
trailer looked.
Speaker 1: Like, goddamn, you can have a Godzilla pop up on
this and it fit the.
Speaker 2: Budget, you could. Yeah, but not Craven, not the Sony movies,
not any Sony movie that's been released. Yeah. Uh, I
I'll tell you this snow white, not my uh, not
my cup of tea. Here's not a great trailer. And
I don't even feel like being mean to it. I
just that's where I'm gonna leave it. You guys, any
even interested in this one? Well said? Uh? I tried
to say as little as possible. Yeah, I don't have
any interest in and I never did, even even like
when it was first initially announced. I'm pretty I'm not
gonna say completely just against the idea of doing these
live action Disney remakes, but I've just there hasn't been
one that's really enticed me. Like How to Train Your
Dragon is the closest one, but that's also not a
Disney project, right that stream works. But for me, I think,
especially seeing this trailer, just because I haven't been really
focusing much on the news around this, I've been seeing
just people's opinions on it. Most of them have been negative,
and I'm not sure if that's just because people are
outraged for the idea of like a character, especially in
like a live action Disney remake. People seem to just
get up in arms anytime a character is not white
and pasty like me, you know, like, like anytime a
character is not like just straight up Caucasian, people seem
to be extremely outraged and so like coming into it,
I'm like, is this like a justifies outrage or is
it just like everything that they've seen for this movie
the test screens, is it really that bad? And honestly,
when I watch this trailer, I think it is getting
maybe more flack than it deserves. Like, I don't think
this is that atrocious of a trailer by any means.
I somewhat liked what I saw in certain aspects, you know,
I'll go so far as to say that, But I'm like,
I'm not even a big snow White fan to begin with,
like the original Disney project, Like I just definitely not
a Disney princess or story that I really was drawn
to as a kid. So yeah, I'm not interested in
this for very varied reasons. But I don't think this
is as bad as people are really setting it out
to be. I'm curious what it's gonna do number wise,
because you know, sometimes these live action Disney movies just
bust a big billion dollar number or something out of
the ying yang I think the ones. Has there been
multiple I have done that? Or is it just lion King.
I know I'm kind of throwing you guys on the
spot there, but just In my mind, I feel like
it's just kind of Lion King that's hit that big mark,
so anyone that I can think, yeah, yeah, but so
like it's got potential there. But I don't think The
Lion King really had a lot of negative buzz going
into it, Like maybe maybe it did. Maybe that was
also second or one of the early well, right, that
was an earlier one.
Speaker 1: Beauting the Beast made one point two million worldwide a
million two mm hmm, domestically five hundred million, I'm sorry,
one point two billion.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a better number. One million is like, yikes,
the budget of Brutalist right there. Okay, so we got
one point two billion. That made a billion. That's insane, crazy, crazy,
different time at the box office. Absolutely Emma Watson numbers.
I guess that'll do it for you. But yeah, no,
I'm not really going to see this. I don't think
Mulan would have been another live, actual one that I
started watching and I just turned it off instantly. I'm like,
what the fuck is this? So that's my quick Mulan review.
You seen this one in theaters, Taylor. You like these movies,
you know what.
Speaker 3: I like these movies.
Speaker 1: But I feel like this is a movie, or I
should say this is rather an apple. I do not
want to take a bite out of I just think
that they've kind of just been going downhill a little bit,
like so forth and so forth after every everyone, And
I mean that Cinderella one.
Speaker 3: I really liked the live action Cinderella. I can't remember.
I should have looked and see if that was actually
a billion dollars, but I like, I like that one.
Speaker 2: Is that recent?
Speaker 1: That was one of the earlier ones around Beauty the
Beast time and Beauty the Beast.
Speaker 3: I like that one in live action. That was a
lot of fun.
Speaker 2: Twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, The Beauty Beast was twenty seventeen, Okay, that had
Rob Stark in it as the Prince.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like an Icarus, Yeah the hell Kate's in here,
Hell on a bottom, Carter Girl.
Speaker 3: It's a great movie IDAs.
Speaker 2: Lily James remember that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just feel like they are just going
on this downwards jectory.
Speaker 3: And Little Mermaid.
Speaker 1: While I enjoyed some of the songs, Aladdin or Aladdin
probably was a was that a billion that? I feel
like that came out close to when the line King
came out. Someone fact checked that for me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just checking right now. Cinderell's box office globally was
around the five and ared million mark, like okay, and
all of a sudden.
Speaker 3: That's about what a Little Mermaid had done.
Speaker 2: Five Yeah Aladdin, Yeah, Aladdin was over a billion.
Speaker 1: Over billion, okay, yeah, Aladdin. I freaking love that Latin
action movie.
Speaker 3: That was great. So here we are you have Little Mermaid,
which it was, it was good.
Speaker 1: I love getting the like those original songs, and then
Melissa McCarthy as Ursula was fantastic. And I think Ali
Berry as Ariel, she did grace. She's got an amazing
voice for those singing songs and whatnot. So I enjoyed
that a lot. But the thing that I have, it's
just my biggest con with these adaptations is they try
to do their own original songs, and that's my biggest
comm with Aladdin. But I just don't like when they
do a new song or something like that.
Speaker 3: And they throw it in there. It just really pulls
me out.
Speaker 2: And so it's also never the good song out of
those movies, right like the movies that are sorry, the
songs that you enjoy out of the live actual remakes
are never the new original ones. It's always like a
whole new world from the case of Aladdin, right, like
like the ones that they just are recapturing. So yeah,
I agree with you. I feel like they're usually duds,
and it seems like to the composers and the people
that work on it, you know, but it feels like
that in comparison, it.
Speaker 1: Seems like they're going to be doing exactly the same
thing with snow White because in the trailer there was
a couple moments where it seems like, oh, it's another
original song.
Speaker 3: Okay, here we go.
Speaker 1: And the downside is just I'm not a big fan
of this character kind of going back and trying to
like fight the Evil Queen and like, oh, I'm here
with the people. We're gonna take back our kingdom. Yeah yeah,
yeahda I I don't need to see that. That's just
filler for me for like half an hour of on
screen stuff, Like I just want to see her just
with the dwarfs doing her thing, and then you know,
Evil Queen with gal Gadot looks fantastic. Is the Evil Queen?
I know people are kind of mocking her with the
Batman Keaton neck Batman Cowell, but I think that she
looks fantastic.
Speaker 2: Like her like waking up upside down.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like her.
Speaker 1: Turning her head and she has to turn her whole
body to like move her head, like it's really funny.
Speaker 2: People have pointed that out.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I just think though that I this movie's
probably not going to do too well, and.
Speaker 2: I'm going to bring this up Little Mermaid box office.
So apparently worldwide it grows over five hundred and sixty
nine million dollars. Is that higher or lower than you
would have expected her Little Mermaid? Because for me, that's
much higher. Actually, I think I thought there was a
lot of negative just talk it's lower for you.
Speaker 3: I thought it would do higher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I was trying to just find a
couple other ones. I brought up the Dumbo.
Speaker 3: Uh, that's probably two to three hundred, three hundred.
Speaker 2: And fifty three million worldwide. The budget was one seventy
you know, it's not like it's not like it doubled it,
but at least it's not breaking even. I feel like
that was maybe the least talked about one, So those
numbers don't surprise me too much. But yeah, for Little Mermaid,
I feel like I was expected to be a little
bit lower just because Yeah, I guess, just talk around
my social circles. Not a lot of people were interested
in it, But I agree with you. When I did
eventually see that on Disney, I liked it more than
I thought. Like I liked Melissa McCarthy as as Ursula.
I hated that they didn't have the dog though, right, I.
Speaker 3: Was just trying to remember if they had the dog not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love that character from the from the original.
Speaker 3: Oh and they asked the French chef too, Louis. Oh,
those bastards.
Speaker 1: I love that French chef with this whole singing like
song thing. That's something I was super gung ho for.
Speaker 3: And they asked it. I don't know why. Maybe it's
politically incorrect. I don't care. Like I was, I'm French
and the guy was cooking in the kitchen, singing.
Speaker 2: So good.
Speaker 3: I can't believe they took it out.
Speaker 2: I'm officially gone off. I was not expecting that that
was nice. We're too next, there's nowhere left to go,
But what if.
Speaker 3: Take us there?
Speaker 2: I will take us there. I don't really like what
if that much in this trailer didn't really do much
to change my mind on that. There are some interesting
things with this, though. One is like, I think half
this trailers shots from the first two seasons, and they're
I mean half the trailers like rewatch season one and
two and get Ready for Season three. And I think
the weirdest thing at all in total for me is
just that they're really pitching this as like this is
the conclusion of a trilogy of what If, which I
feel like no TV show ever really frames it that way,
And I don't know, maybe they're just trying to make
this seem like a bigger deal than it is. But
to me, I don't really feel like there were some
narrative through lines from what If, but I didn't really
feel like we were building towards this big third act
trilogy season thing. So I don't know. It's probably just
like marketing speak and trying to get people interested in this,
But I also feel like this maybe a risky route
for people who haven't watched the other seasons. I feel
like the best way to go is like, here's some weird, interesting,
cool concept, and if you're a Marvel fan, you want
to see what that is. I don't think people really
care about the overall through line, like the diehard fans, sure,
but they're already gonna be there, so I don't know.
It just seemed like a weird trailer for me in
that way, and I feel like it was mostly just
like a very quick little clips of like, oh, that's
an interesting thing, but I'm not really getting an idea
of like what any of these episodes are gonna be,
or like is this gonna be one long season that's
building towards this finale. It's actually more of a connected
season than the other ones. I don't know, so I left.
I'm let a little confused. Where there are a couple
of highlights, like I mean, I saw my Boe Mysterio
in there, and I like that is Jake jillen All
coming back absolutely not to voice that character, but I'm
I'm I'm excited to see Mysterio storm Rock in that
suit and having like me on near in one scene
like that seems really cool. I'm excited to see what's
going on there. And then like it's kind of goofy,
but I like the Avenger Assemble thing and they have
like a huge mech Hiju bought. That's like all I
guess all the Avengers are like, you know, Exodia in it,
and they're like, I'm controlling the leg I'm controlling the arm,
I'm controlling the laser beam. So it seems like goofy
and silly. But I you know, I'll watch this because
I watch all MCU things except for I haven't seen
the rest of Agatha yet, but I'm not really that
excited for it, unfortunately. Yeah that's fair. Yeah, this trailer
really didn't do too much over kind of what I've
already set up. I I do think this is gonna
be the most I want to say, like linear. I
guess see when he compared all the other ones, like, yeah,
like the ones that it's really is setting up to
the finale kind of what you're speculating about there, Dylan,
I do think that it's gonna be the case, just
because we're setting up for the family, like we don't
really have time to mess around with some random adventure
that doesn't it isn't connected to anything because they've already
been kind of setting up those those seeds. And yeah,
I don't think this it's funny because this is like
trailer number two. It felt like trailer like one point
five you know, or like like I didn't feel like
I got a whole lot more than what I've already seen.
I liked what I saw. I do like what if?
And I like these just what if scenarios that we have. Yeah,
like the Vultron Assemble thing that they have there that
I'm looking forward to that. So everything I saw I
did like, But it was just it wasn't like a
really engaging trader in the sense of like, man, this
sold me on the show. Like, no, I'm already gonna
be there, like I was there last year. You know.
I think they're still doing the daily releases how they
did last year, like around Christmas, starting on maybe the twentieth.
I believe when we were talking about the first trailer
that it was the case. But yeah, then we'll confirm there.
But uh, yeah, I'm gonna be there. I'm liking what
I'm seeing. But in terms of trailers, you know, just
judging it as a trailer, you're right, daily releases as
well as well as last season. Yeah, and starting when
was that December the twenty second? Okay, Tuesday, No, that's
that's Sunday. I can't remember. I think Christmas on a Wednesday.
Speaker 3: It's Christmas Wednesday.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so there you go. That is a Sunday Sunday Sunday.
He's ready for season or three.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm looking forward to this. I mean, it's
the close out, and the trailer got me pumped. But
I mean, you guys have already said I didn't feel
like there was anything really major knew that was really
being featured here that we haven't seen or can kind
of anticipate going in, like obviously with Storm the Goddess
of Thunder and that sort of stuff, so we know
certain things are going to be happening and some certain storylines.
Speaker 3: But that makes I'm excited. I like the what ifs
and I like what we're getting.
Speaker 1: Ah, It'll be cool to see how this is going
to kind of close off and tie together, especially after
we have some reoccurring characters that we have seen before,
and just what's gonna happen with the Watcher here and
ultimately what will be the Watcher's fate. I'd love to
see him kind of have a good send off and
maybe even make an appearance in the actual MCU at
some point, which I mean he's appeared in X Men,
the animated series and I feel like maybe we got
like a glimpse of something in DEADPLO Wolverine.
Speaker 3: Maybe I'm just imagined that.
Speaker 2: Is it probably is my fan at it X men
right X menton ninety seven? Is that what it was?
Speaker 3: That was actually ninety seven? Yeah, gosh, I don't have those,
I know, I was.
Speaker 2: Looking for the one.
Speaker 3: I think it was Howkeye right, you made a bunch
it was, Yeah, Travis probably just deleted them all. Shit.
It was like in the urinal and he's like in
the corner.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, to make some more of that.
Speaker 3: M yeah.
Speaker 1: No, I'm looking forward to it. In terms of ranking,
I would probably go I go twenty eight years later
as my number one.
Speaker 3: I'd go what if season three number two.
Speaker 1: And that's more or less because it's my anticipation and
excitement more so than the trailer, And I would go
Gorge brutalist and then snow White.
Speaker 2: I have a similar similar ranking. I'm gonna go twenty
eight weeks number one, Gorge number two, brutalist, number three,
what if season three number four were? And snow White,
like way way down there at the very at the
very bottom of that gorge of the gorge, Yeah, where
Anya is? Yeah, I'm gonna go my number one being
the brutalist. That one really surprised me. Number two, let's
go twenty eight years later. It's funny, I feel like
my number one is such in a different caliber. It's like, Okay,
the brutalist is my list. And then if I have
to shouts out to shouts out to Maddie SAgs, you know,
I gotta do the classic Maddie question, so I will
rank them. But still it's pretty much just brutalist. Everything
else pretty meh. But for you, Maddie, I'm gonna go
twenty eight years later. He's really thinking on it, scratching
that nog and trying to come up with some answers. Yeah,
it's hard to rank these the stakes are so high.
Oh no, I was like talking for so long too,
and I realized I was just I'm like, oh, we
heard you put twenty eight years later at number two. Okay, perfect.
And then my Internet must have crapped out because of
what I said. I said snow White. Next, Oh, yeah,
that's why you're trying to get canceled by the Internet.
And then what if and then the gorge at the
bottom of the gorge, Yeah, goddamn truly terrible trailer. Very
different ranking than me and Taylor. I respect it, though
very different.
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