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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellows, Sikos, I am Dana Valley coming

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at you as always with the one, the only, this

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Speaker 2: Activity in just incredible time.

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Speaker 1: Mister Grant Hughes, if you haven't guessed already, this is

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our trade deadline reaction podcast. I would point you towards

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if you're looking for breakdowns on Luca and Daron Fox

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and even more so the Kyle Ko's My Trade.

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Speaker 2: We did individual.

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Speaker 1: Pods on those, so go back through our feet and look.

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But let's talk about everything that went down, Grant. How

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you feel about it all?

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Speaker 3: Uh man? Uh kind of in a bit of a daze,

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because that's just always how the trade deadline feels. I

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do think it was helpful that a lot of big

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deals happened before today, so it was just for us

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certainly having to like, you know, wrangle information on all

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of these trades in a short amount of time to

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like get stuff published. That was helpful. But it's always

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like a blur, so this is a helpful exercise. Also,

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I would say, Dan, you're untradeable.

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Speaker 1: I just want to leave you with that exact that's

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because I just signed an extension or does it do

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have any.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's just it's a technicality. That's it's kind

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of nothing to do with your value.

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Speaker 1: We tried to move you and then found out that

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we couldn't, and that's how we knew. The way we're

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gonna frame this is we're gonna go through like we'll

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probably end up talking about every team, but we're gonna

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use deals as a launching point into larger trade deadlines.

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Speaker 2: And that's how it works every year.

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Speaker 1: It's a little chaotic, it's a lot of fun, but

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let's dig into it. We begin with Jimmy Butler to

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the Golden State Warriors, and this is gonna end up being.

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Speaker 2: A sixteam trade.

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Speaker 1: So I'm gonna go through the details. If you're watching

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on YouTube, you can see it on screen. The Pistons

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received Dennis Shrewder Lindy Waters the third, so they won

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the trade obviously, Milwaukee's twenty twenty seven second, Dallas's twenty

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thirty one second. Golden State receives Jimmy Butler, who is

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signing a two year, one hundred eleven million dollar extension

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following this trade. The Miami Heat are receiving Kyle and Henderson.

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Some drama there, we'll get to it. Davion Mitchell Andrew

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Wiggins Golden State's twenty twenty five first round pick that

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is top ten protected through twenty twenty seven.

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Speaker 2: The seventy six ers.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's a fake second rounder involved in there,

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but I haven't seen the exact details, but they did

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create a seven point nine to eight million dollar traded

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player exception. The Toronto Raptors received a PJ. Tucker and

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a twenty twenty six second round pick. It is coming

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from the Lakers and it came from Miami and they

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will get cash as well. And finally, the Utah Jazz

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are getting kJ Martin Josh Richardson a twenty twenty eight second.

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Speaker 2: Round pick that's still Detroit.

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Speaker 1: A few of those, but it's coming from Detroit, a

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twenty thirty one second round pick that'll be coming from Miami,

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and it's the less favorable of Indiana and Miami. Just

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as a fore warning, there will be other This is

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gonna be like more of a Piston's Warriors heat thing.

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So I think we need to start with grant. The

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Warriors didn't after telling us that they wouldn't and then

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becoming desperate to get anybody. And look, if I'm Jimmy Butler,

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I walk in and say, Kevin Durant over me? Is

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that what they try to do?

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Speaker 2: But how are you just how are you feeling about this?

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Speaker 3: My feelings have evolved over the last how long ago

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did it happen? Like eighteen hours ago? Something like that.

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like A It's like it's it's a C minus or whatever.

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with letters. I hopefully we'll shake that at some point

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in the next several hours. As we're talking on the

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just because we know we understand the risks of taking

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on Jimmy but and we understand like the ickiness of oh,

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his age thirty seven season. The flexibility you might have

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Butler than Andrew Wiggins? Really and then certainly on a

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dollar for dollar kind of you know standpoint. And then

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so had a phone conversation with friend of the pod

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Bill who's in our discord, and also talk to my

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brother about it. Really just sought out support, thought out

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some wisdom, and here's where I've landed, I think because

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the like, if you made a computer decide what the

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Warriors should do and there was no emotion involved, they

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would have blown the team up, like the day after

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the twenty two title traded, Steph traded everybody whatever. Like

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that's the objectively like unsentimental correct decision to have made.

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to do that, So that extreme is off the table.

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is to do something like the Kevin Durant trade, which

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didn't happen, was never gonna happen because he didn't want

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it to, in which you give up all of your

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future assets that you can trade right both first, kaminga

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pods whatever didn't do that, so didn't do that extreme end,

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realistically speaking, the lowest price they could have paid. So

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while acknowledging all the risks of Butler's fit and like

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attitude and cost, I kind of think this is about

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as well as you could have hoped the Warriors could

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do if you're gonna have them make this kind of trade.

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below average move. I don't know, it's not a home run.

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think it makes them better. It raises their ceiling. It

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might lower their floor a little, but not as much

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as some other moves might have. So I'm pretty positive

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on it, even if I don't think it makes them

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a contender. But I also don't think that move was

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out there. So really my question is for you, because Dan,

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if we've had a disagreement at any point over the years,

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I think it's been related to like what the Warriors

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should do, how serious they've been. So from my perspective,

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you have to love this trade. We haven't really talked

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about it because they did go do something. It was

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a swing and really they didn't give up as much

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as they probably could have in some other, you know,

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alternate realities. So I'm positive on it. I assume you

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are at least as positive as I am.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I gave it. I had a grade this one.

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You could we're just grading everything. Go check out our

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grades over Bleach Report. Apparently I gave it a B.

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most part. The timing is sort of I'm like, well,

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why did you wait this long?

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Speaker 1: And you could say that the Miami Heat were only

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seems like Phoenix was never really in contention of it

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because Miami didn't want Beale and they couldn't find anyone

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to take Beal. That's probably the only reason for me

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to dislike, because my entire argument against the Warriors standing

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relatively pat was what are you actually accomplishing because you're

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pearl clutching these picks. Let's use this year's pick as

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an example, which they just traded it was never going

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to be elite because you were never going to be

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bad enough, and so you weren't preserving the future in

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my eyes by saying, oh, we're not going to make

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this win now.

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Speaker 2: Trade now.

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Speaker 1: If you went and traded all those distant first round picks, yes,

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but I wanted them to do something that straddled the

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line in between, and this comes as close as possible.

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I don't giving up Andrew Wiggins as a blow. I

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really do think that people are kind of underestimating what

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Jimmy Butler can still do. Defentsively, I think they also

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they didn't get rid of GP two that someone else

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who could guard the ball. I think people are I

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think Mos this movie can guard the ball more than

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we've seen him do it. So I am more worried about, well,

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what does this fit look like when all the most

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important players are together. But I also look at it

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through the lens of the Warriors have been able to

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do basically nothing during stephless minutes since dating back to

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a KD era or before it. Jimmy Butler is someone

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because of his playmaking, because of his on ball rim pressure,

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should be able to stabilize those minutes in ways that

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even a Kevin Durant like at his peak, just couldn't.

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you miss, But okay, like, what did you like if

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like what was Andrew Wiggins eventually going to become to

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you just someone who was able to like help you

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float a play in Bert like you were never gonna

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trade him for a bunch of picks.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we got an a a first round round his

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Speaker 1: But it's like you said, because look, if we're being

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objected completely objective here, you would have preferred to have

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move Draymond Green rather than Andrew Wiggins while doing this deal?

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Speaker 3: Maybe yeah, I don't know. I don't know about that.

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Speaker 2: Another big I would think, I think.

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Speaker 3: The ceiling play involves keeping Draymond Green the like though

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let's keep our floor higher involves probably moving you know,

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair, especially when you look at their

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center situation. But now you found a way to I

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think straddle both of the lines. And look, the contract

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is a lot, but it dovetails nicely with when Draymond

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Speaker 3: That's the other things. It leaves you the option of

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how things have lined up. I know you have more

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that would have gotten an A grade from you? Because

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to me, this feels like I don't know what they

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could have done unless you say, take Wiggins out of

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the deal and include other expiring salaries somehow and make

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it like a six for one trade.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, with Butler it would have been tough.

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Speaker 1: Like you could have done something with up to Levine

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Speaker 3: Uh huh.

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Speaker 1: I think just based off where where where was Miami

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sending Jimmy Butler if you didn't include that first round

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pick is where I'm kind of coming from.

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Speaker 3: I think they're key, honestly, I think they hold on

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Speaker 1: And you know what, then then you and and friend

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of the podcast Bill would have.

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Speaker 2: Been happy, apparently because you didn't want to do jack shit.

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Speaker 1: But I think you can even argue that it's just

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because of all the players that they were linked to,

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like Jimmy Butler is I think gives you a higher ceiling,

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especially immediately than if it was let's say, of Paul

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was such a cleaner fit, even though it seems like

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they were never necessarily in on him. And you also

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was the point of getting Dennis Shrueber after all? Because

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, you might have wasted.

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Speaker 1: Time doing that, like the three second round picks they

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really good trade. I would like it even more if

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they had done it earlier. And I just have questions

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about really specifically what the offense will look like when

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I say about Steph. Through Steph's gravity, all things are possible.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think as I was working really hard to

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rationalize it and just try to this is the other thing,

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like emotionally, I very quickly pivoted to like how do

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I make myself feel good about this?

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Speaker 1: For the Warriors, Well, can I ask a question actually

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before you go on? This might be why I'm digging

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them some constantly. Would you rather have Kaminga or this

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year's first round pick?

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Speaker 3: I think I'd rather have Kminga. And that's while acknowledging

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they're gonna have to pay him now, and you're looking

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at Steph and Draymond and Butler and Kaminga probably putting

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you over the apron by themselves, like it's depending on

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what Kaminga ends up getting. I just think I think

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that pick. Everybody loves the twenty five draft if unless

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things go totally sideways. If they go totally sideways, they

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just keep the pick, which is okay.

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Speaker 1: But that's also by the way, that's another good thing

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about the pick is it's protected through twenty twenty seven,

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so even if you have to wait, like I think

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it becomes two seconds afterwards or maybe even nothing. That's

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also when these guys come off the books like there's

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just no long term harm here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, well, the scary downside is that twenty

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seven is unprotected, right, So like there's a scenario where

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you give up, do I have that right?

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Speaker 2: I thought it was top ten protected through to that.

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Speaker 3: I think it's top ten and twenty five and twenty six,

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and then it's unprotected in twenty seven. I'm pretty sure

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that's that's happening lower in.

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Speaker 2: My grade there.

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Speaker 3: Then well, I mean, if you don't convey that thing

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this year, something went wrong. But then yeah, so that's

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it's a it's a far fetch risk, but it's it's there,

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and I don't I don't know, Like I think the

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fit is a real question because essentially three of your

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four core players, now if you include Cominga with Green,

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Curry and Butler, are like our non shooters, you know,

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or at least low enough volume to make spacing like

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a major issue. And then if you're playing a real center,

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you're talking about four of your five guys on the

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floor that just don't have any gravity. So you're really

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asking Butler's playmaking and free throw generation to do a

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lot of the lifting. You're asking Kaminga to not just

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sustain what he did as like a driver of offense

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and when he was healthy this year, but to pretty

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significantly increase that and make threes. It's a lot, but

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I would say Butler and Bam out of Bio did

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pretty well. And that's two core guys that are non

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shooters in Miami. So if you add Steph, maybe that

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does make all things possible. You know. The other thing

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is I kind of also like this from Miami side,

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unless you have more on Golden State, Like I think

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if the alternative is you hold on to Butler and

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just let him walk and enjoy the space. Still, i'd

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rather have Andrew Wiggins obviously, and a twenty five first

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round pick. That's I don't know, maybe it's gonna be

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from the fifteen to twenty five range or whatever. That's

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that might be as good as you could realistically hope

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to get, given nobody wanted to pay him other than Phoenix,

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and this was like your only game in town. Really.

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Speaker 1: The only thing I wanted to wrap up on Golden

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State is do you like assign any concern to Jimmy

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Butler saying he initially didn't want to go to Golden

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State or is it kind of just the way the

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Warriors were performative and saying they didn't want to make

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a win now trade is it on that level too.

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Speaker 3: It's scary to discount it because of the way Butler

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has made things uncomfortable when he hasn't gotten what he's

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wanted at other stops in the past. I still think

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that's probably just something you say because you're really sure

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Phoenix is going to give you that extension and you're

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not sure anyone else is. And the war You know,

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again here I am rationalizing, he agreed to opt out

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and just sign this to year deal, so it's really

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one more year at fifty eight million or whatever it is.

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So it's like, you know, he kind of gets some

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of what he wants and hopefully that pacifies him. Honestly, Like,

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I think, if you're Butler and you're looking at Golden

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State and Phoenix, if you care about winning and not

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just who's extending you because the Warrior just did it,

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I don't really think Phoenix is any like is a

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rosier kind of like Atlantic spot than Golden State is.

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Speaker 1: The Warriors still have stuff if they want to go

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and make another move. Technically, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I

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don't know.

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Speaker 3: The Miami side is cleaner just because they got what

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they could and it's decent considering the circumstances.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Golden State not going out and getting

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a big two felt a little weird, but I guess

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just it might make more sense to downsize here, to

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try and increase like the offensive, you know, flexibility with

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Butler there. For Miami, though, I think it's a solid

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return for them given how much the situation devolved, and

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they probably had more leverage than Jimmy Butler in the

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end when you look at the outcome, just of he

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went somewhere, he claimed he didn't want to and sign

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the extension anyway, there was clearly a.

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Speaker 2: Miscalculation done by them though, because they.

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Speaker 1: Failed to duck the luxury tax and initially looked like

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they were gonna get Kyle Anderson off to Toronto that

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fell through. Toronto, we'll see had other things lined up,

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so they still have they can do it. They're like

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inside three million. I imagine they'll do it going into

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the draft. But I don't necessarily love Kyle Anderson's fit,

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or maybe I should like it more because they're playing

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khalil Ware and bam Adebayo together, so they're gonna have

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all these funky lineups. Getting Davion Mitchell's interesting because you

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have Tyler Hero and Terry Rozier, but Davian Mitchell does

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all the things that those guys don't do, which is

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just like exist under someone's skin defensively. So I feel

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like this this team still has the makings of a

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potential defensive behemoth. Don't know what the offense, and like,

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like you said, getting Wiggins was good for them, and

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they got a first round pick, so like that's a

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that's a bigger deal. I just I don't know the alternative.

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I don't think would have been any better. But do

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you what are Do you view them as a they

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owe that pick to Okase this year before it becomes

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unprotected next years they need to make the playoffs?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you view them as more or less likely

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to do it after this trade?

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Speaker 3: I mean I guess, well, I guess more as long

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as we're saying that the before version of the heat

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was everybody that's there, no Jimmy and none of these

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new guys in this in the totally like farcical situation.

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Butler comes back and actually plays for them and tries

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hard and everybody's happy about it. It's probably a wash.

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So I do think getting Wiggins, who's going to be

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good for them, I think, And and that is really

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just to put sentiment back into it, Like it was

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really hard. I think you saw some of the Steve

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Kerr comments after the fact about how it's so difficult

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to move him and and all that, Like, I think

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that was pretty genuine. I guess they're more likely to

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answer your question than they were before the trade. It's

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still it's still not a given though, right Like you

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lose Bam for any stretch of time or Hero and

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you're just you don't have the depth, certainly in like

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terms of defensive anchors or you know, offensive engines to

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really withstand any kind of injury to either of those guys.

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Speaker 1: I guess you could look at it and say, though, Okay,

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Ingram the Toronto was already so far out and who

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knows of Ingram. They'll even have Ingram play a bunch

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this season. But then like Chicago and Atlanta kind of

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remove themselves from the running, and so you kind of

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look at as, oh, it's you have to get if

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you're going to get in by virtue of the plan,

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or even like their top six right now is we

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record this so having to fend off the Magic to Hawks,

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the Bulls, the Sixers.

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Speaker 2: That's not going to scare you. It's like they might.

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Speaker 1: It's not even just well they made they might just

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be a top six team, so they don't even have

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to get in by way of the plan. And I

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think this trade, if you weren't going to have Butler

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increases that.

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Speaker 2: Really.

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Speaker 1: The only thing I'm uneasy about too is just like

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you need to give up a second round pick to

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get off a PJ.

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Speaker 2: Tucker to make up some of the salary difference there.

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Speaker 1: Then and then with I think you need to give

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up what a twenty thirty first round and by the way,

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you were right on the first round pick protections. It's

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unprotected in twenty seven, so there is some I like

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that even better for the heat. And then you also

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to give up the twenty thirty one second less favorable

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of your owner Indianas to grease the wheels of like

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Utah's end of this. I also like part of me

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sort of wanted but you have Rosier and hero like

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would Shruder have made more sense here? But I think,

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just under the circumstances, solid deal for Miami. I did

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want to talk to you about the Pistons on this

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one too, since we're not really going to get to

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them later.

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Speaker 2: I loved this for them.

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Speaker 1: I mean at first, like they had the ability if

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they wanted to, because kJ Martin fit into the room exception,

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Like they could have done.

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Speaker 2: All of this.

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Speaker 1: So you gave up no key players, let you get

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two additional seconds, and you ended up sending one to you.

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You end up sending a twenty twenty eight second in Utah,

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so your plus one second round pick, and then you

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get Dennis Shrewder. How many times did we suggest, like,

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do they just take him into cap space if the

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Warriors are looking to duck attacks. That's I don't know,

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by the way, I don't know if you give credit

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to the Warriors that, like, well, they clearly decided not

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to duck attacks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah this season. So but I loved it.

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Speaker 1: Lindy Water is like he's an actual guy. We view

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him as sort of this siren song here as a joke,

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but he's someone who could be useful if you want

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another shooter on the floor who can space and move

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and do a little bit of stuff on the ball.

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So I just really thought this was maybe fans had

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higher expectations for their use of their cap space. But

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I think Dennis Shrewder you have to kind of maybe

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not cancel it all out. But I'm not looking at

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what he did in Golden State as sort of a

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harbinger of what's to come, because like he's you're not

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running as many picking rolls there, like that's their motion

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based offense, and so in Detroit they run more picking

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rolls there. I think, especially you know, if he's gonna

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be running units without Kate, I think he will look

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better in Detroit than he did Golden State.

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Speaker 3: It would be hard for him to look worse than

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he did in Golden State, right, Like, I just think, yeah,

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like wouldn't some part of you and maybe Piston's fans

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would feel this way too, been a little disappointed if

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they had just used that cap space to be like

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a way station for unwanted salary, and in that hypothetical,

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maybe you do get these two second rounders or or

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something approximating that for that money. But they got a

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guy they really need at a position that they're real

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thin at, and a guy that should probably be pretty

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good for the rest of this year for them, certainly,

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you know, is an upgrade on who they were trotting

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out to run second units since Jade and Ivy got hurt,

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so like they use the cap space to get the

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assets that you'd want and then got a guy that

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they really need. So yeah, I was very high. It's

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hard to compare, like, you know, the scale of the

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Butler acquisition to oh the Pistons got shrewder. But it's

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just a question of like, well, what were each team's

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goals and resources, and the Pistons, like I did at

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least as well as any other team we've talked about

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so far, and really just considering what was possible, did

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extremely well. I think, just like comparing them to anyone

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in the league.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and also when you look at the trade deadline

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in totality, you don't look at anything and say, oh,

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why weren't they team that did that, yeah, hype deal

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and so did not have to give up any Like

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you're again plus one second round pick with at minimum

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00:21:06,599 --> 00:21:09,160
a guy and Dennis Shruder who went healthy can play a.

478
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,319
Speaker 2: Bunch of mintage for you. So I thought they made that.

479
00:21:11,400 --> 00:21:13,559
Speaker 1: Well, here, this trade's a little bit less complicated to tackle,

480
00:21:13,599 --> 00:21:15,319
mister Hughes, you want to take us through brandon Ingram

481
00:21:15,319 --> 00:21:15,839
to Toronto.

482
00:21:16,039 --> 00:21:18,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, so brandon Ingram did in fact get traded, so

483
00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:23,480
New Orleans sent him. And by the way, the extension

484
00:21:23,559 --> 00:21:25,640
information that if you're watching this on the graphic is

485
00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:27,680
important because that has been just the hang up for

486
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,839
trading brandon Ingram. He can sign a three year, one

487
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:32,839
hundred and forty four million extension until June thirtieth. After that,

488
00:21:33,319 --> 00:21:35,759
four for up to two oh nine, five for up

489
00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:39,160
to two sixty nine. So Toronto onboards that, and who knows,

490
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,160
there's got to be an agreement in place as far

491
00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,160
as what they're going to pay him, and everybody's happy

492
00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,319
with that, I guess. So in order to move him,

493
00:21:46,319 --> 00:21:50,079
New Orleans took back Bruce Brown Junior, who's expiring, Kelly Olenok,

494
00:21:50,279 --> 00:21:52,200
who's got thirteen and a half million on the books

495
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,880
for next year, and Indiana's twenty twenty six first round

496
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,440
pick that has top six protection through twenty twenty seven,

497
00:21:57,799 --> 00:22:01,200
then becomes a couple seconds from Utah in twenty seven,

498
00:22:01,279 --> 00:22:03,680
or is that right? The Utah twenty seven and Dallas

499
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,880
twenty eight. That's what we'll be conveyed. If that first

500
00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:10,480
isn't conveyed, I mean, what are your initial thoughts on this.

501
00:22:10,519 --> 00:22:12,960
We haven't talked about this at all. I'm curious where

502
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:13,400
you are on.

503
00:22:13,400 --> 00:22:16,400
Speaker 1: It, uh, from Toronto's perspective, because we have a big

504
00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:19,400
super blockbuster to cover for New Orleans after this. Just

505
00:22:19,440 --> 00:22:21,599
looking at I what is Toronto doing? And I don't

506
00:22:21,599 --> 00:22:24,119
mean that in a way of I think this is

507
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:27,720
a terrible trade. But you traded O G in Pascal

508
00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:29,559
Siakam last year, but then you end up trading a

509
00:22:29,559 --> 00:22:31,759
first round pick at last year's deadline still as well

510
00:22:31,799 --> 00:22:34,519
as this one, and effectively now the trade tree for

511
00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:40,839
Pascal Siakam is brandon Ingram Jacoby Walter And oh my god,

512
00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:44,160
what am I missing from the I'm missing an element

513
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:44,359
of that.

514
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,359
Speaker 2: I'm blanking on it right now.

515
00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:48,839
Speaker 3: But Brown came and went, so that's part of it. Yeah,

516
00:22:49,160 --> 00:22:50,559
I'm trying to now. I can't remember.

517
00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:54,640
Speaker 1: But it's just like it's just such a bizarre path

518
00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,200
for them to follow at this moment, and I don't like,

519
00:22:59,799 --> 00:23:02,920
I don't hate it, and just like having another playmaking

520
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,720
wing is not a bad thing. I'm just so curious

521
00:23:05,799 --> 00:23:08,240
to see what the fit is when you have a

522
00:23:08,319 --> 00:23:12,599
Manuel quickly Scottie Barnes, R. J. Barrett, like all Manuel

523
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,519
quickly can definitely play off the ball, but he prefers

524
00:23:15,559 --> 00:23:17,240
to be on the balls. Like those are four guys

525
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,319
that want to be on the ball, none of whom

526
00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:20,640
just based off their pay grades.

527
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:21,759
Speaker 2: You can't just and it's certainly not.

528
00:23:21,759 --> 00:23:24,079
Speaker 1: Gonna be Scotty. You can't just say okay, go to

529
00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,519
the bench until that creates some complications. And then I

530
00:23:27,519 --> 00:23:29,240
do like that they held on to Chris Bouschet as

531
00:23:29,279 --> 00:23:31,240
part of this. But it's like your primary center is

532
00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,640
not a spacing center, so you have Brandon Ingram, who

533
00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,359
prefers to get to mid range. He did up his

534
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,240
three point volume this year. But I really think for

535
00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:41,960
this to work, like it seems like a good value

536
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,000
playing a vacuum right for what they gave up, Like

537
00:23:44,039 --> 00:23:45,920
there's not a ton of upside to that first round

538
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:47,440
pick that they send out.

539
00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I that's a factor. I think just the I

540
00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:56,920
don't know, it's weird. I think Ingram being attached to

541
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:00,279
this like I want a max extension has caused us,

542
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,279
and certainly me because I've never been the biggest brand

543
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,079
Inger fan, big news flash. But like the guy was

544
00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:09,519
a fairly legit all star. He's good, been good for

545
00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:12,559
twenty plus, he's been good for five assists for half

546
00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:16,240
a decade, Like he's a good player, Like he's a

547
00:24:16,279 --> 00:24:19,359
clear starting caliber wing in the league. That honestly, if

548
00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,359
he would just do all the stuff we wanted him

549
00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,960
to do, shoot more threes, would we wouldn't have any

550
00:24:24,960 --> 00:24:26,960
fit questions. I don't think if he was just like,

551
00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:31,039
I don't know, thirty percent, thirty percent higher volume from three,

552
00:24:31,079 --> 00:24:33,000
I think we're just like kind of done complaining about

553
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,799
what he does offensively, or at least less apt to

554
00:24:35,839 --> 00:24:36,119
do that.

555
00:24:36,519 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 2: So I like it.

556
00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,119
Speaker 3: For Toronto. I take your point and I agree with

557
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,359
it that it's just kind of like this is a

558
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,000
team that's just not on board with a hard reset

559
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:47,720
very obviously. Like you can trace that back to we

560
00:24:47,759 --> 00:24:50,640
want quickly and bear it in the Ananobe deal. We

561
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,000
want players and then they essentially, you know, they pay quickly.

562
00:24:54,759 --> 00:24:56,640
This is a team messiu Jerry has had, you know,

563
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,240
he had comments shortly after they made those moves last

564
00:24:59,319 --> 00:25:01,920
year it was just like, we'll win here again, like

565
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,319
that We're not. This was never going to be a

566
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:07,599
hard reset, And I guess if that's if that's your intention,

567
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:10,599
we can debate, like the wisdom of it. Then Ingram

568
00:25:10,599 --> 00:25:12,480
makes a lot of sense because because it's hard to

569
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,079
get a guy as good as him for a protected

570
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:18,640
pick expiring salary. And Kelly Allinic, who I think is

571
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:20,440
kind of a net negative contract.

572
00:25:20,799 --> 00:25:23,559
Speaker 1: He can't do like whatever you thought he could do

573
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,799
on defense, it's like seventy five percent.

574
00:25:25,559 --> 00:25:28,920
Speaker 3: Less, right. I will say for New Orleans a link

575
00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:31,319
is New Orleans is one of the few places a

576
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,839
Linic makes a little bit more sense because he'll space

577
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,079
and if you have zion and you're running your offense

578
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,920
around him, then okay, that's minor check in the positives

579
00:25:39,920 --> 00:25:42,880
column for that. But yeah, the price paid here for

580
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,000
the for the talent is pretty low and now the

581
00:25:46,039 --> 00:25:48,400
additional price will just be that next contract. That's kind

582
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:49,119
of the hang up for me.

583
00:25:49,799 --> 00:25:52,119
Speaker 1: That's by the way, it was Akbaji, So it's would

584
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,680
you rather Yakham or Akbaji like on his current contract,

585
00:25:56,759 --> 00:26:00,960
let's say, or or akbajiromen Ja Kobe Walter.

586
00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 2: I don't know that I like this season.

587
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 1: The answer is pretty easy, yeah, Like like if you're

588
00:26:05,920 --> 00:26:07,880
trying to look at it through the total of the deal,

589
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:10,599
and I think I'm curious to see what the fit

590
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:12,440
is going to be they could still reorient the roster.

591
00:26:12,599 --> 00:26:14,599
But this is also not like if he left in

592
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,039
free agency, they didn't give up a back breaking him out,

593
00:26:17,319 --> 00:26:18,839
but you did give up a first round pick, so

594
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:22,440
you are somewhat pot committed. Toronto has not historically squeezed

595
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,039
its own free agents. But I also look at the

596
00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:26,279
market saying, well, Brooklyn's not gonna sign him, so where's

597
00:26:26,319 --> 00:26:27,119
he gonna try and go?

598
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 2: And you're almost not not.

599
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: That you should squeeze him, but like you should play

600
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,920
hardball to the extent of if he wants to leave,

601
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:36,119
it needs to be through you, like he needs you

602
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,480
need to facilitate a sign in trade. So maybe they

603
00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:40,880
get assets on his way out. But I I'm really

604
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:42,799
fascinated to see how much he gets because if it's

605
00:26:42,839 --> 00:26:44,960
like if he ends up getting like thirty or thirty

606
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:47,599
five million a year, like that will make this trade

607
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:49,319
look a heck of a lot better. I mean, even

608
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:51,599
if he signed the extension, he's eligible four right now

609
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:55,559
with UH Toronto three and one forty four, it's so

610
00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:58,559
it's like so short that I would be sort of

611
00:26:58,599 --> 00:27:01,440
okay with it, And just from a talent play, I

612
00:27:01,599 --> 00:27:04,200
like it I just don't know, Like you were right,

613
00:27:04,319 --> 00:27:06,200
this was never gonna be a hard reset for Toronto

614
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:08,359
because of what they prioritized in OG and just like

615
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,480
Scotty got paid and it's not and even now and

616
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:13,759
this is part of the benefit of getting off Kelly olynok,

617
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:15,880
like they have avenues to just resign brandon Ingram and

618
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,599
still be under the tax next year. So again I

619
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:22,880
don't hate it. I'm just so confused by what's happening here,

620
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:25,839
and I hope we get to see it in practice

621
00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:28,920
because brand Ingram hasn't played in over basically two months

622
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:32,000
at this point. I'm just curious, Like Toronto though there's

623
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,559
no incentive, like they're not gonna make they have no

624
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:37,039
real chance of getting into the plan from the east, right,

625
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:38,359
they're five losses out of it.

626
00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:40,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got a long way to go, so they

627
00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:41,279
might not.

628
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,640
Speaker 1: Play him a ton if at all, and that makes

629
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:45,279
it even harder to pay him, right.

630
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,079
Speaker 3: Right, I will I will highlight here because we've talked

631
00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:51,359
about two big trades here and we've liked them on

632
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,799
both sides for both teams. Uh, And I think that's

633
00:27:54,839 --> 00:27:58,559
a real I found myself feeling that way about a

634
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:02,039
lot of trades today and the ones that have already happened, Like,

635
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,720
I don't know what that means, And maybe teams are

636
00:28:04,759 --> 00:28:07,599
getting smarter about just like trading with the right partners,

637
00:28:07,599 --> 00:28:10,799
so it's actually possible to have mutually beneficial deals. But

638
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,559
I like this for Toronto, like don't don't love it.

639
00:28:13,599 --> 00:28:15,759
Don't love it for Toronto, don't love it for New Orleans,

640
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:16,640
like it for both.

641
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 2: I would say, rather than like it, I don't actively loathe.

642
00:28:19,559 --> 00:28:24,519
Speaker 3: It, right because usually it's like, oh, somebody fleeced somebody else,

643
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:26,440
or it's clear who the winner is if you're doing

644
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:28,839
like trade winners and losers. Is harder this year because

645
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:30,559
there's just so many deals that are like, yeah, it

646
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:33,359
makes sense for them, makes sense for them. Their priorities

647
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:36,000
are different, and they kind of both achieved some of them,

648
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:38,200
you know what I mean. Like I think that'll continue

649
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:40,160
as we go through some of these trades.

650
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:42,119
Speaker 1: I did before we talk we should talk a little

651
00:28:42,119 --> 00:28:43,640
bit about New Orleans. I did just want to ask

652
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,319
you that could you see there being I know they're

653
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:48,519
different players, but like RJ. Barrett was a lot of

654
00:28:48,519 --> 00:28:50,319
the times viewed as a ball stopper, even though you

655
00:28:50,359 --> 00:28:52,480
could see him get out in transition in New York,

656
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,000
but he comes to Toronto and like he's playing with

657
00:28:55,079 --> 00:28:57,039
more heads of steam or moving away from the ball more.

658
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:59,680
Do you think that there's even a chance Brandon Ingram

659
00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:02,200
is going to benefit from that? Or has it been

660
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,440
with RJ? It was he was in so many different

661
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,079
New York ecosystems. You never got that sentence With Brandon Ingram,

662
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:10,279
It's been kind of no. They've tried to get him

663
00:29:10,279 --> 00:29:11,759
to do this stuff and he's either never did it

664
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:13,720
or did they just never try it enough with him.

665
00:29:14,079 --> 00:29:17,160
Speaker 3: I think there's always a possibility because I mean the Lakers,

666
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:19,720
Brandon Ingram was just so early on that it's hard

667
00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,559
to say like, well he was this way then. I

668
00:29:21,599 --> 00:29:23,880
mean kind of but like a change of scenery, I

669
00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:26,039
guess is what I'm saying, always has the chance to

670
00:29:26,079 --> 00:29:29,240
do that. Ingram's tendencies feel a little more ingrained than

671
00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:31,640
Barrett's did, or they like feel like more organic to

672
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,799
him as opposed to being like a product of like

673
00:29:33,839 --> 00:29:35,000
what am I supposed to do here?

674
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:37,319
Speaker 2: I think he could change.

675
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:39,839
Speaker 1: Like following his own principles, and so there's there might

676
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:42,680
just be more of a you know, attachment to the like,

677
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,200
oh I succeeded, I made an All star game?

678
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:45,599
Speaker 2: Play this way? Why would I play differently?

679
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:48,319
Speaker 3: Easier for him to take the stance of like this works.

680
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:50,240
You can't tell me to change, you know, than it

681
00:29:50,279 --> 00:29:50,920
was for Barrett.

682
00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:51,319
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

683
00:29:51,359 --> 00:29:53,759
Speaker 3: I think it's possible, optimistically that he he does do

684
00:29:53,799 --> 00:29:55,680
the stuff we've been asking him to do so for

685
00:29:55,759 --> 00:29:56,319
New Orleans.

686
00:29:56,359 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 1: And just before we dig into just the like what

687
00:29:58,279 --> 00:29:59,960
you think they got how they differ brand Ingram? They

688
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:03,039
also did trade twenty thirty one second round pick to

689
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:06,319
Oka see along with Daniel Tye. That's how they initially

690
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:09,200
ducked the tax. That's an f trade by the way,

691
00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:11,000
like because you couldn't figure out how to duck the

692
00:30:11,039 --> 00:30:13,279
tax as part of a larger trade with Brandon Ingram

693
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:15,400
here and you gave up a twenty thirty one second

694
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:15,759
round pick.

695
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:18,359
Speaker 2: Less favorable of New Orleans and Orlando. CJ.

696
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: McCollum's still there, Zion Williamson is still there. Their season

697
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,799
has been just absolutely torpedoed. What did you make of

698
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:27,119
if it's really the brand? We knew that them ducking

699
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,319
the tax was like that was the most inevitable thing

700
00:30:29,319 --> 00:30:30,839
of the trade deadline, right, yeah.

701
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:32,880
Speaker 3: And they didn't do it. I guess maybe Tye was

702
00:30:33,119 --> 00:30:35,000
I think, what are we? We thought Javonte Green would

703
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,880
be the one to do it and that we get

704
00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:37,359
something for.

705
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,079
Speaker 2: Hund pick for but you know what, they might just

706
00:30:39,079 --> 00:30:40,240
need him to play at this point.

707
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 3: They're so maybe maybe so Yeah. I was actually the

708
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:45,839
most surprised that the thunder waved tys after this, because

709
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:47,559
I was ready to start talking about oh that makes

710
00:30:47,559 --> 00:30:49,680
sense a little, a little front cord depth, like you know,

711
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,920
he might give you eight to ten minutes, that's coming back.

712
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 2: That's the biggest trade deadline acquisition of all maybe so.

713
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I actually so. I think if

714
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:00,480
you want to be critical of New Orleans, you could

715
00:31:00,559 --> 00:31:02,359
point to this, and you could point to like the

716
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,279
things they didn't do. I've kind of stayed away from

717
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,480
that just because I don't know what was out there. Like,

718
00:31:07,759 --> 00:31:10,279
can I criticize them for McCollum still being on the roster,

719
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:13,599
Like yeah, I guess, but like who's clamoring to give

720
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,119
you something worthwhile for him?

721
00:31:15,799 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 1: I think the bigger issue for me is that, And

722
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,319
you can ding them a little. I gave them a

723
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:20,920
C plus on the Ingram deal, which is what I

724
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:22,640
gave Toronto. So it's not like, like I said, I

725
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,440
didn't love it or loathe it necessarily for I understood

726
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:28,720
it from either side. But like the Ingram decision, it

727
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:30,680
took too long to get made and it should have

728
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,920
been made well before this. I'm not even talking about

729
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:35,279
this trade to I'm talking about before this past offseason,

730
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:38,359
like when everything became sort of muddied, and that's what's

731
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,319
so confusing. And now I'm just I'm very curious to see,

732
00:31:41,359 --> 00:31:43,960
like following the Jente Murray Achilles injury, which it doesn't

733
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:47,359
just submarine this season, but it really could torpedo next

734
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,839
year as well. I'm not saying they needed to move

735
00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,880
McCullum or needed to move Zion, but like they couldn't

736
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:55,000
even get the small victory of like you thought they

737
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,200
were probably gonna get Chris Bouchet the expiring money and

738
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,640
someone who's spaces and maybe is definitely gonna do more

739
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,039
on Deef then Olnick and no, you have to take

740
00:32:02,039 --> 00:32:03,880
on Olytics money for next year.

741
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 2: So that's fairly uninspired.

742
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:08,119
Speaker 1: But I don't know what, like maybe it depends on

743
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,359
where are they just going to base it off of

744
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:11,039
where they land in a lottery this year. Grant, I

745
00:32:11,079 --> 00:32:14,559
just don't This return doesn't make me this more so,

746
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:16,160
I look at it and say, they just didn't want

747
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:16,960
to pay Brandon Ingram.

748
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 2: They didn't even want to try and squeeze them.

749
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: And I guess you could read into that and say

750
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,720
they might be prepared to really go nuclear over the offseason,

751
00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:24,720
but I honestly don't know.

752
00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:27,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just think zoomed all the way out getting

753
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,119
a first with light protections on it for Ingram, who

754
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:32,839
just was never going to be back, and you might

755
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:34,640
have just had to you could grit your teeth and

756
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:38,640
risk getting sign and trade value for him. I think

757
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:40,799
I had both of them in like the B minor

758
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,400
C range. I think both Toronto and New Orleans so

759
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,240
not We're We're pretty aligned on that one.

760
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,519
Speaker 1: Nothing really else for the Pelicans here, but they are.

761
00:32:49,759 --> 00:32:52,079
I feel bad for fans of that. They for Elkans

762
00:32:52,319 --> 00:32:55,119
fans and their franchise are just absolutely cursed. This is

763
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,000
a deal, Grant, that we're gonna get to Mark Williams

764
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,480
to the Lakers, where I don't know that I've ever

765
00:33:00,640 --> 00:33:04,119
differed on consensus more but the trade is the Charlotte

766
00:33:04,119 --> 00:33:07,079
Hornets get Dalton connect, who everyone likes to point out

767
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,359
is actually older than Mark Williams. Grant, How cool is

768
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,279
that Cam Reddish a twenty thirty first round swap and

769
00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:16,920
the Lakers twenty thirty one first round pick unprotected. The

770
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:20,640
Lakers are getting Mark, he who has played in fewer

771
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:24,720
games than he's missed since entering the league. Williams, how

772
00:33:24,759 --> 00:33:27,359
what are your thoughts about this trade?

773
00:33:27,559 --> 00:33:29,880
Speaker 3: So I have it's interesting because I I graded the

774
00:33:29,960 --> 00:33:31,839
Lakers as a whole and so they're in A plus

775
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,759
because of the Luca trade. And they could have like

776
00:33:34,359 --> 00:33:37,240
done literally anything five terrible trades and they still would

777
00:33:37,240 --> 00:33:39,079
have gotten an A plus because they got Luca.

778
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:42,839
Speaker 2: This is a lot for Mark spoiler alert, This is.

779
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:45,240
Speaker 3: A lot for Mark Williams, right, Like we can agree

780
00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:48,000
on that for a guy that, like what's his most

781
00:33:48,119 --> 00:33:50,079
I mean, like what's he's good for? I think it's

782
00:33:50,119 --> 00:33:53,319
like sixteen and ten or fifteen and nine, shooting a

783
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:57,160
great lob threat. His his rim protection numbers are terrible

784
00:33:57,359 --> 00:33:59,200
this year if they've been better in the past.

785
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: Since you brought it up up, hidden here is where

786
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:05,759
Mark Williams. Mark Williams has never ranked he's ranked out.

787
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,000
He's ranked above average as a rim protector when it

788
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,519
comes to defensive field goal percentage expected at the rim.

789
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,400
He's ranked as above average room protector once throughout his career.

790
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,679
That was his rookie season and this year Grant he's

791
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:16,880
in the thirty nine percent time.

792
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,039
Speaker 3: Could I could I if I were a Mark Williams defender,

793
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:23,079
I would I would encounter with Well every single year

794
00:34:23,079 --> 00:34:25,320
of his career has been a small sample size, so

795
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:30,239
because he never plays so yet no, Like, I just

796
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,079
so from the Lakers perspective, I understand the theory, which

797
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,519
is to say, this guy can go up and get

798
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:38,639
a lob and if you're playing with Luka Doncic, you're

799
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,320
gonna shoot seventy eight percent from the field and you're

800
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,519
gonna get five bunks a game and you'll look good

801
00:34:44,559 --> 00:34:48,360
that way. I just I think to give up. I

802
00:34:48,440 --> 00:34:50,480
know they're way out in the future and you just

803
00:34:50,519 --> 00:34:53,039
got Lucas, so your future first rounders maybe are all

804
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:57,320
devalued now if things go well with him. So I okay, maybe,

805
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,760
but this is a guy that's like we don't even

806
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:03,440
know if he's a rotation big guy on a good

807
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,000
team because he's never been on a good team, and

808
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:09,159
all we know for sure is like good counting numbers

809
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,760
I guess, and scoring efficiency in an extremely limited role

810
00:35:13,159 --> 00:35:17,440
for a bad team. The Luca trade gives you so

811
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:19,639
much cover, but that is so clearly a one off,

812
00:35:19,679 --> 00:35:23,000
isolated nobody knows what happened there kind of deal that

813
00:35:23,119 --> 00:35:26,280
this feels more like a just crazy Lakers reach to me.

814
00:35:26,920 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 1: I thank you, because I understand he's town. He's very

815
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:31,280
dynamic on offense.

816
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,760
Speaker 3: He works great, like he passes the eye test all

817
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,960
the time if you just catch him on the right nights.

818
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 1: And you need him to go in like sort of

819
00:35:37,239 --> 00:35:38,800
a straight line, like the way he could move for

820
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,480
his size, and he's guardanguan. I recognize there's a ton

821
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,880
of upside here, but between him being injury prone the

822
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,559
real defensive issues that look, I'll eat my words if

823
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:49,880
it's he gets Oh, he doesn't play in Charlotte anymore, Bump,

824
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:52,199
I just don't like. Are you going to blame the

825
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,400
availability on that too? And he's also going to be

826
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,639
extension eligible this summer. You could argue the injuries help

827
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:00,639
repress his value, but he has all sorts of leverage

828
00:36:00,639 --> 00:36:02,760
after you gave up this much to get him, and

829
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,360
so I recognize you needed a big I recognize he's

830
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,519
an excellent fit nets to Luga Dancics on offense, but

831
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,239
like and I saw a lot of this rationalizing. Well,

832
00:36:11,239 --> 00:36:12,800
if you look at it in some of they gave

833
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,920
up Dalton connect this pick, the swap the other pick

834
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,679
Max Christie and Anthony Davis for Luca. It's a win, right, Yes,

835
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,079
it is a win, but you don't like Luca gave

836
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:24,519
you a margin for error and you don't just get.

837
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 2: To exhaust it, you just use it up off of it.

838
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,679
And I don't think that's what the Lakers did here.

839
00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,039
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see kind of how it pans out,

840
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:35,239
and I do reckon again Luca diminishes the value of

841
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,039
that twenty thirty one first round pick, but like Mark

842
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:41,639
Williams was the like, I guess it, it speaks to

843
00:36:41,679 --> 00:36:45,000
them trying to make something of this season. Look quite frankly,

844
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,599
I'm surprised that Nico Harrison didn't give them Derek Lively

845
00:36:47,639 --> 00:36:49,599
for this trade package. The way things are, like, the

846
00:36:49,599 --> 00:36:52,920
way things have gone so far, I just don't Maybe

847
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,480
it pans out, but I think my biggest concern would

848
00:36:56,519 --> 00:36:59,800
be even the best version of Mark Williams and the

849
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:01,639
most durable version of Mark Williams.

850
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:06,039
Speaker 2: Do you think, like, what would be the percentage chance.

851
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 1: That you give him of actively elevating a really good

852
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,119
defense ever, Yeah, I'm.

853
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,760
Speaker 3: Just trying to think, like it's not high. I'm just

854
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,320
trying to think, like what would he need to do

855
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,400
to justify really two firsts. I know it's a swap,

856
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,400
but it's it's it's so far out that like you

857
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,840
really don't know that you're gonna be like this. It

858
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,199
might who knows who's benefiting from that? And a number

859
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:33,559
seventeen pick and Connect to I think what was the

860
00:37:33,559 --> 00:37:35,920
stat he was the high the highest first rounder to

861
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:40,159
be traded in his rookie year since Buddy healed, And like,

862
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:43,039
I think shorting Connect is a decent bet. You probably

863
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:45,360
should have done it after he made a million threes

864
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:46,239
a couple of months ago.

865
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:47,519
Speaker 2: I don't.

866
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:50,599
Speaker 3: I just Williams has to be really, really, really good

867
00:37:50,679 --> 00:37:55,760
and a plus defender to justify this, and I just

868
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,280
and stay healthy. There's like so many ifs that he

869
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,760
has to satisfy for this to look like a good

870
00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,519
deal for the Lakers. The counter is just Luca will

871
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:07,760
make him awesome on offense. But then the counter to

872
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,920
the counter is like could make a lesser player look great,

873
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,840
He'll make everybody look great. So the defensive side of

874
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,079
this is a huge question Mark and the best bet

875
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:20,159
for the Lakers is that Mark Williams, who got eviscerated

876
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:22,480
by their own by the Hornets studio team for just

877
00:38:22,519 --> 00:38:26,039
like dogging it in their most recent game, is a

878
00:38:26,079 --> 00:38:28,760
different level of defender on a new team, and maybe

879
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,719
that happens, maybe it doesn't. I don't know why you'd

880
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:32,400
be confident that that was gonna happen.

881
00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:34,599
Speaker 1: I will say there's good and I'm not. This is

882
00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:36,519
not me even being an asshole. I'm genuinely saying this.

883
00:38:37,039 --> 00:38:39,519
Either the people who loved this trade or the Lakers

884
00:38:39,519 --> 00:38:41,960
fans who loved this trade have not watched enough of

885
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,360
Mark Williams play, or I have not watched enough of

886
00:38:44,360 --> 00:38:46,599
Mark Williams play. And you know what, Grant, either's a

887
00:38:46,679 --> 00:38:50,519
legit possibility because Mark Williams doesn't really play. So we

888
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:52,760
have to talk about the Hornets, a team that I

889
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,880
think flew under the radar this deadline because they make

890
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:55,360
another move.

891
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,559
Speaker 2: So we'll talk about selling on Mark Williams.

892
00:38:57,599 --> 00:39:01,599
Speaker 1: But also they acquired use of Nurkic and a twenty

893
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:03,599
six first round pick from Phoenix, which is just the

894
00:39:03,679 --> 00:39:05,480
least favorable of Memphis, Orlando.

895
00:39:05,199 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 2: Phoenix in Washington, that team's a fucking joke man.

896
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: In exchange for Cody Martin Vasamisic and a twenty twenty

897
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,079
six second round pick, it's gonna be the least favorable

898
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:17,719
of Denver and Golden State. We you talk about the

899
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:20,840
hornetson some I love the like the fact that they

900
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,079
just have They've Musa Diabathe there and now Nurkic is

901
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:25,320
just their primary bigs and TOADJ.

902
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 2: Gibson.

903
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: Of course, I like the idea, and I think more

904
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,920
teams should do this. Of if you don't think that

905
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:33,800
this is the guy and he's still on his rookie contract,

906
00:39:34,199 --> 00:39:35,360
sell high on him.

907
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:36,119
Speaker 2: And I think they did that.

908
00:39:36,320 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: Yes, you can say that Lakers pick is going to

909
00:39:38,039 --> 00:39:40,440
be in the twenties and they're never gonna use that swap.

910
00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 2: They got a lottery ticket on Dalton.

911
00:39:42,159 --> 00:39:44,199
Speaker 1: Connect just someone who we know at least can space

912
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:46,480
with volume and hit them at a reasonable clip on

913
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:47,440
catch and shoot threes.

914
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,519
Speaker 2: And now you have that.

915
00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,159
Speaker 1: It's not just about what is that twenty thirty pick,

916
00:39:52,199 --> 00:39:54,760
twenty thirty one pick become. It's you can dangle that

917
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:57,679
in future trades. And finally, and I think this spills

918
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:00,599
into the Nurkic trade as well. The fact that they

919
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:03,800
just come out of this deadline plus two first round picks.

920
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:06,679
It reinforces what both you and I said at last

921
00:40:06,679 --> 00:40:10,239
tread date, trade deadline and over the offseason. This franchise

922
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,119
is thinking in bigger picture terms. That is not something

923
00:40:13,159 --> 00:40:15,519
that was ever done or at least not done enough

924
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,159
during the Michael Jordan certainly the Mitch Cupcheck era when

925
00:40:19,159 --> 00:40:21,559
he was running the front office as well. And so

926
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,880
I've liked, basically with the exception of keeping and how

927
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:26,800
they handled the Miles Bridge situation and then what they

928
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:28,760
paid him, I've loved a lot of what this.

929
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:29,519
Speaker 2: Franchise has done.

930
00:40:29,559 --> 00:40:32,679
Speaker 1: And you can argue they've already paid LaMelo and Brenda

931
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,719
Miller's done for the year. T John Salon doesn't necessarily

932
00:40:35,719 --> 00:40:37,920
look like he's gonna pan out, so where you kind

933
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:41,199
of still feel stranded, but they're not overreacting to that.

934
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 2: They've taken this.

935
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:45,280
Speaker 1: Gradual view review and I appreciate the hell out of it,

936
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:47,039
And I think what makes it easier for me to

937
00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:49,719
say that is I think they got you know, taking

938
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,079
on Nurkic that extra year, but like he just becomes

939
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:54,679
an expiring contract next year, you could move all over again.

940
00:40:55,159 --> 00:40:57,840
So I think it helps that they probably got good

941
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,760
value out of what they did just the view of it,

942
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:02,880
but like they got good value out of what they

943
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:03,920
moved and what they took in.

944
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 3: They had no business getting out of this this deadline

945
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:10,119
with the assets they got out of it with I

946
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:12,480
think I just echo what you said, and I would

947
00:41:12,519 --> 00:41:16,639
I would add too that like while the earlier season

948
00:41:16,639 --> 00:41:19,360
injury to LaMelo and then Brandon Miller going down for

949
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,360
the year sort of made the decision process like it

950
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,440
made it pretty clear, like at least for this year,

951
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:28,679
like what your goals should be because it's a lost season,

952
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:32,960
you know, bummer. But I can remember, you know, preseason

953
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:35,199
looking at this roster and you know, kind of thinking

954
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,679
like I don't know that this might could I would

955
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:40,880
shudder to think where we went on their over unders.

956
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:44,119
But like there was a Miles Bridges, Miller gets better,

957
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:46,599
Lamello's healthy, Mark Williams and Nick Richards a couple of

958
00:41:46,599 --> 00:41:49,599
good set like you could talk yourself into speaking as like,

959
00:41:49,639 --> 00:41:52,400
if you were management, we might be all right, Like

960
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,360
we might not be in a position where we're taking

961
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,920
on bad you know, bad money to get first and

962
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,639
think about what's happening in twenty six and twenty thirty

963
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:04,840
one and whatever. Like, I think it's just refreshing because

964
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:08,199
this is how this is. This management group understands the assignment,

965
00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,800
and it's not necessarily the easiest call when you already

966
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,440
have Lamello on his you know, rookie scale deal on

967
00:42:15,519 --> 00:42:17,760
his big deal now, and you also got Brandon Miller

968
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:21,800
and you like him. The temptation to chase like short

969
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,320
term gratification was one that previous management succme to all

970
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:27,920
the time and would have been justifiable here. I think

971
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,079
in some you know, if you spun it a certain way,

972
00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:33,119
so really really good deadline by the Hornets, I think

973
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,519
everybody should be encouraged by sort of like the whole

974
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,519
what the thought process has been for them?

975
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: What do you make of the suns here?

976
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,159
Speaker 1: And just as a quick recap for them, they get

977
00:42:42,159 --> 00:42:44,000
Cody Martin, who we love although we really wanted to

978
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:45,760
see him on a Contender and now he won't be

979
00:42:46,199 --> 00:42:48,559
a mesitch and that twenty twenty six second round pick.

980
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,440
I had trouble because this is what I want to

981
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,599
ask you. I think you could say, oh, it only

982
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:54,559
took one first round pick to get off Nurkicez, like

983
00:42:54,599 --> 00:42:56,519
he wasn't playing. He's on the books for nineteen plus

984
00:42:56,519 --> 00:42:58,760
million next year. Now have kind of a pathway to

985
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,599
ducking the second apron. Cody Martin is a non guaranteed

986
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:04,639
salary message is a team option for next year. But

987
00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:08,079
I have trouble separating it from they traded their twenty

988
00:43:08,119 --> 00:43:10,440
thirty one pick to open up the pick that they

989
00:43:10,559 --> 00:43:13,199
just traded, and they had nothing more meaningful lined up

990
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:14,559
than this deal.

991
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:19,119
Speaker 3: Phoenix's side of this deadline is really hard to evaluate

992
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:22,760
because I think we both agree that they're kind of

993
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,840
going after they've been going after the wrong thing for

994
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,920
you know, basically since ownership changed at the same time,

995
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,760
like they are trying to get better and they're using

996
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,519
every like shred of asset they have to do it,

997
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:38,719
and I think Cody Martin hypothetically helps them. I think

998
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:42,639
getting off a Nurkic makes sense, you know. I think

999
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:45,239
there's a way you could say that that the Suns

1000
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:48,679
like improve themselves at the deadline and that's their only goal,

1001
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,400
and so they like good for them, but it's just

1002
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,199
wrapped into the bigger package of like just everything they're

1003
00:43:54,199 --> 00:43:56,960
doing is stupid and short sighted, and like you have

1004
00:43:57,039 --> 00:44:00,159
Ramona Shelburn talking about things are toxic there now. It's

1005
00:44:00,199 --> 00:44:03,760
just like you can see the cliff coming and they're

1006
00:44:03,800 --> 00:44:06,119
just they sped up towards it. And so like, I

1007
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:08,599
don't really know how to evaluate their deadline. Are you

1008
00:44:08,639 --> 00:44:11,000
of the opinion that just like, well, do you even

1009
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,559
agree that, like, okay, if you if you put your

1010
00:44:13,559 --> 00:44:16,880
Phoenix Sun's like glasses on, they did well because they

1011
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:19,280
got a little better and they added Martin who might help.

1012
00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:21,360
Or is it just like the big picture is just

1013
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:22,719
you guys are ruining it.

1014
00:44:23,519 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 1: One I'm wording se how much they actually play Martin

1015
00:44:25,480 --> 00:44:27,119
because I'm wondering if sort of his if he three

1016
00:44:27,119 --> 00:44:30,079
point shooting. But I think when you look at their

1017
00:44:30,119 --> 00:44:33,519
individual moves for the most part, the Nick Richards deal,

1018
00:44:33,559 --> 00:44:36,400
of course, that was fine. Yep, this deal, I think

1019
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,519
that was fine. But this one specifically is inextricably linked

1020
00:44:40,519 --> 00:44:42,840
to them giving up their twenty thirty one first round pick,

1021
00:44:43,159 --> 00:44:46,360
which if you're telling me they did that, and they

1022
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,159
had they had an idea that they weren't going to

1023
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:50,960
get Jimmy Butler, or they knew they weren't going to

1024
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:52,960
get them, and they also kind of knew that they

1025
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:55,760
were gonna like the Kevin Durant trade talks apparently started

1026
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:59,000
two weeks ago, right, so what is it? That's not

1027
00:44:59,039 --> 00:45:01,599
even use the word short sided, which it is. It's also

1028
00:45:01,719 --> 00:45:03,960
kind of stupid then that you traded your twenty thirty

1029
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,079
one first round pick with all this uncertainty in the air,

1030
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,960
because why did you need to make that move then,

1031
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:12,239
unless you thought you were about to cross the Jimmy

1032
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,039
Bocker finish.

1033
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 3: Line, which which you should have known too. Like, it's

1034
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,239
so bizarre to me that they didn't just go to

1035
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:23,000
Bradley Beal a month ago or before that and say,

1036
00:45:23,039 --> 00:45:24,920
will you are you gonna wave your no trade clause?

1037
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:26,920
Because it eventually developed it like he's just it's a no,

1038
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:29,639
I'm not gonna do that, right, and then they should

1039
00:45:29,679 --> 00:45:32,480
have operated with that understanding. And then the follow up

1040
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:35,280
question is, hey, Kevin Durant, like do you want to

1041
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,119
be traded? And if so, where and if he says no,

1042
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,239
and nowhere. Then you can't go do that pick split

1043
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,239
up thing. Like I just it feels like there there

1044
00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:47,400
was a more rational course of action they could have

1045
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,840
taken if they'd just gotten like concrete answers on some

1046
00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,760
core questions. Because now this all feels disjointed. So as

1047
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:56,239
we're talking, I'm getting more negative about what they did.

1048
00:45:56,679 --> 00:45:59,480
Even if I think, like you separate all the moves

1049
00:45:59,519 --> 00:46:02,400
out into it's like, okay, those are all sort of justifiable.

1050
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,880
It's just the position you've gotten yourself into is just

1051
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:06,920
objectively bad.

1052
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:09,559
Speaker 2: They're they're careening off the edge to nowhere.

1053
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:12,519
Speaker 1: And I guess my final question you would be if

1054
00:46:12,519 --> 00:46:15,840
this was a situation where Kevin Durant told you he's

1055
00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:18,480
not going to sign an extension unless you go out

1056
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:20,239
and get Jimmy Butler. We now know they didn't get

1057
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:22,119
Jimmy Butler, so forget about that. But if that's the

1058
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,519
ultimatum he gave you, why are you then not trading

1059
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:28,199
Kevin Durant?

1060
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 3: Right, Because what you're saying is like this is this

1061
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,800
story's going to end one way, and it's going to

1062
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:36,079
be you trading Kevin Durant from a position of very

1063
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:37,360
little leverage.

1064
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,000
Speaker 2: Which by the way, is how this ends this offseason?

1065
00:46:39,079 --> 00:46:40,079
Speaker 3: Right? Maybe?

1066
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:40,159
Speaker 1: So?

1067
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I just.

1068
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:44,159
Speaker 2: I don't know how.

1069
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 3: I don't know what the happy ending is to this.

1070
00:46:46,159 --> 00:46:49,679
And it's amazing how fast, like think about this team

1071
00:46:49,679 --> 00:46:52,039
has been together for like a year, Like I mean,

1072
00:46:52,159 --> 00:46:54,400
that's an exaggeration, but it's just like this thing has

1073
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,880
gone completely sideways, real quickly. And it's because of just

1074
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,440
like a series of decisions that have you know, kind

1075
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:04,199
of culminated now in a deadline that Okay, Booker, Durant,

1076
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:06,679
and bil are all still here. We've like shuffled the

1077
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,199
deck chairs, but otherwise, you know, we're out some more firsts.

1078
00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:12,559
Speaker 1: I'd like to ask you a bonus question too, because

1079
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:15,079
the most pushback I've seen in comments or when I've

1080
00:47:15,199 --> 00:47:19,440
like skeeded about this, why is giving up knowing what

1081
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:23,000
they did? You're twenty thirty one first rounder. That's five

1082
00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:25,920
six drafts away whatever to six drafts away. Why is

1083
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:27,760
that a bad deal when you got three more imminent

1084
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:28,679
first rounders back.

1085
00:47:30,039 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 3: Well, One, because it's evidence of like a half formed

1086
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,199
plan that you didn't execute, which was we're going to

1087
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,760
use those for Butler, and two the upside on those

1088
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,519
future firsts are is low and that twenty thirty one

1089
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:44,960
is just more valuable because of how high of a

1090
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:48,599
picket could be, right like that? I mean, so I

1091
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:52,480
will say I dumped on the verbiage of like they

1092
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:55,679
unlocked their other picks in the draft, which what they

1093
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:58,119
did they moved that twenty six first, which they couldn't

1094
00:47:58,159 --> 00:48:00,239
have if they hadn't split that twenty thirty one into

1095
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:03,400
the twenty five, twenty seven, twenty nins. So I'll take

1096
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:05,599
that back. Yeah, that was that was something that they

1097
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:09,679
enabled themselves to do. But like, is there another answer

1098
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:12,000
to why that was a bad move or like we

1099
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:13,599
hit hit both of them because you didn't use it

1100
00:48:13,599 --> 00:48:16,320
for Butler and you just gave up the highest upside asset.

1101
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 2: And you also, what you just did is just gave

1102
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,480
up more of your future for when this inevitably goes

1103
00:48:20,599 --> 00:48:23,400
to shit without making the move, like that was the

1104
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,239
whole reason you would break up these picks. Is that?

1105
00:48:25,400 --> 00:48:27,559
Speaker 1: And the bigger thing is is not one of those picks.

1106
00:48:27,559 --> 00:48:29,719
I know you mentioned that Kevin Pelton said the average

1107
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:32,400
value of those three picks together would be like what's

1108
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:34,199
sixth overall or something, which.

1109
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:37,079
Speaker 3: I wasn't persuaded by but yeah, that's what he gamed out, and.

1110
00:48:37,039 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: It's just one that's like, okay, do you trust this?

1111
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:41,559
Like I know they drafted Ryan Dunn, but like, are

1112
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:43,800
you trusting them to hit on every single one of

1113
00:48:43,840 --> 00:48:47,199
these picks? There's just there's no pick with a high upside.

1114
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,880
You gave up your highest upside asset for a bunch

1115
00:48:49,880 --> 00:48:52,719
of low upside assets that you then used to dump

1116
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:57,079
salary and get one rotation player if that. So that's

1117
00:48:57,119 --> 00:49:00,119
why it's bad, speaking well of not bad, because we're

1118
00:49:00,119 --> 00:49:02,440
going to start here with the Cleveland Cavaliers grant. But

1119
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,199
do you want to go through the DeAndre Hunter trade?

1120
00:49:04,199 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 2: Bro?

1121
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:10,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, So the Cavs get DeAndre Hunter. That's all. They

1122
00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:13,400
gave up carousel Vert on an expiring deal. George Niang

1123
00:49:13,400 --> 00:49:15,880
got eight point two million next year, a twenty twenty

1124
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:17,960
six first round swap, and a twenty twenty eight first

1125
00:49:18,039 --> 00:49:21,119
round swap, so those would be the they've already swapped

1126
00:49:21,159 --> 00:49:23,679
those so with with Utah in the Mitchell trade. So

1127
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:29,800
it's basically the least favorable of Cleveland, Utah's pick and

1128
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,280
Washington's pick on the twenty six and then Cleveland and

1129
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,119
Utah's on the twenty eight. In addition, they gave up

1130
00:49:35,159 --> 00:49:38,639
three seconds twenty seven to twenty nine and thirty one.

1131
00:49:39,119 --> 00:49:41,840
This to me, tell me what you think. Is there

1132
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:46,199
a move made by an Eastern Conference team that figures

1133
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,400
to have a bigger impact on like who wins the

1134
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,239
championship this year than this one?

1135
00:49:50,679 --> 00:49:52,199
Speaker 1: I think you can make the case that no other

1136
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,119
move is going to have a bigger impact because what

1137
00:49:54,159 --> 00:49:55,519
other pittactor made a trade?

1138
00:49:56,039 --> 00:49:58,199
Speaker 3: That's the thing? You You just I don't know what

1139
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,280
we're what we're digging for, Like I guess Jimmy Butler,

1140
00:50:01,480 --> 00:50:02,119
like there's just.

1141
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:04,679
Speaker 2: Or is it Anthony Damis in Dallas? If you ask Nco?

1142
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:07,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, how good do you think Lucas gonna make the Lakers?

1143
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:10,719
This was This is a fascinating trade. So which side

1144
00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:11,960
do you want to talk about for? Do you have

1145
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,599
strong feelings about? Like? Is Hunter worth this?

1146
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,159
Speaker 1: I have incredibly strong famis about Atlanta. But we have

1147
00:50:17,199 --> 00:50:19,079
to cover another trade from them, So let's start with

1148
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:22,840
Cleveland to get someone who might just be a part

1149
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,239
of your closing unit while not giving up a first

1150
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:28,360
round pick, and while ducking the tax this year, which

1151
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,320
now probably emboldened you to say, hey, we carros Lavert

1152
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:33,280
coming off the books. We could have ressigned Hi Jerome

1153
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,639
and kind of still toe stepped it beneath the tax

1154
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:37,480
next year. But no, you've kind of blown past that.

1155
00:50:38,199 --> 00:50:40,960
I respect the hell out of it. I recognize DeAndre Hunter.

1156
00:50:41,159 --> 00:50:43,559
I don't even think his defensive reputation is inflated. I

1157
00:50:43,559 --> 00:50:45,239
think people just look at him. He's six 's eight,

1158
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:47,960
seven to two wingspan and say, oh, that dude's three

1159
00:50:48,039 --> 00:50:50,800
and d I don't think he always checks the D box.

1160
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,559
He can be pretty good in individual situations. However, he

1161
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,400
has won cleaned up his offensive play style a lot.

1162
00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,880
The shot profile is better and his true shooting percentages,

1163
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:01,639
but you can also still do a little bit off

1164
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:04,079
the dribble. The bigger thing to me is this is

1165
00:51:04,079 --> 00:51:07,079
a classic example of what it's like in a different situation.

1166
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,320
His defense in Atlanta is maybe blah, but your defense

1167
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:13,880
in Cleveland, when you have Isaaca cord or Chase around

1168
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,519
Smalls and then Evan Mobley and or Jared Allen behind

1169
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:22,000
you at all times is ideal. So we've that was

1170
00:51:22,039 --> 00:51:23,880
their weak point really, in so far as they had one.

1171
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:25,400
And I think the final thing before I throw it

1172
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,199
to you. It's easier to get him to just slide

1173
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,119
up to the forest part of one big units and

1174
00:51:31,159 --> 00:51:33,719
feel good about it in the playoffs and saying we're

1175
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,639
gonna play George Niang or we're gonna move Max Strus

1176
00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:39,119
up or even Dean Wade or you know, Heaven forbid,

1177
00:51:39,159 --> 00:51:43,000
like Isaaca Korro in that instance. So I think this

1178
00:51:43,159 --> 00:51:45,599
is I loved. There's some risk here.

1179
00:51:45,599 --> 00:51:47,280
Speaker 2: You gave up the swaps. I don't care about you.

1180
00:51:47,320 --> 00:51:49,280
Those are already like whatever the second.

1181
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: Round picks, okay, But like, this is your best chance

1182
00:51:52,519 --> 00:51:56,400
to win a title ever without Lebron and you're seizing it.

1183
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 2: And I respect the hell out of it. And I

1184
00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:58,679
think it just helps that.

1185
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 1: You know, I was reporting that said Atlanta would have

1186
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:04,800
killed to get this package at the beginning of the year.

1187
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:09,000
DeAndre Hunter substantially more valuable now a few months later,

1188
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:11,360
and I think you could question will he be able

1189
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:13,320
to play the same role on a better team where

1190
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:15,480
the volume might be lower. I really do think the

1191
00:52:15,519 --> 00:52:18,239
type of offense that he's played this season, certainly coming

1192
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:21,159
off the bench, of course, it will scale to a

1193
00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:22,119
more minute role.

1194
00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:26,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I do agree. You've got to acknowledge

1195
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,800
it's possible that the previous five years of Hunter's career

1196
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,440
are more indicative of his true talent than the half

1197
00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,599
season he's played so far. At the same time, he

1198
00:52:37,679 --> 00:52:40,280
has made changes, and I think the changes he's made

1199
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,599
specifically with respect to like he's a good catch and

1200
00:52:42,599 --> 00:52:46,280
shoot three point shooter, now, like that's you're not going

1201
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:48,119
to be asked to do a whole lot more on

1202
00:52:48,159 --> 00:52:50,159
this Cleveland team that already is one of the best

1203
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:54,480
offenses we've ever seen. So I think, like, I don't

1204
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:58,159
know that he's the exact answer to the type of player,

1205
00:52:58,400 --> 00:53:00,880
the exact player we've been just begging the Cavs to

1206
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:02,880
try to find, which is just give me a pure

1207
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:05,320
three that's gonna make open threes and guard the other

1208
00:53:05,320 --> 00:53:07,960
team's best player. He's not really that, But I do think,

1209
00:53:08,039 --> 00:53:10,480
as you said, his ability to play the four just

1210
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:13,480
kind of it just unlocks a lot of good options,

1211
00:53:13,519 --> 00:53:16,440
and he will be a better, you know, option against

1212
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,559
three and four sized guys than LeVert, who was playing

1213
00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:23,159
really good defense and was shooting it better then then Hunter.

1214
00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:24,440
So far, he's over.

1215
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,679
Speaker 2: Four cut into hit.

1216
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: I know Lvert just came back, I think, but like

1217
00:53:27,559 --> 00:53:29,719
Ty Jerome was cut into his playing time. That's the

1218
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:32,039
other thing is you do like LeVert really is more

1219
00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:34,239
of a two that can handle the ball as a one,

1220
00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:37,360
which you don't need on this team at all, because Garland, Mitchell, Jeron,

1221
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:38,320
like there's plenty of that.

1222
00:53:38,840 --> 00:53:41,559
Speaker 3: So you could think LeVert is the better player, like

1223
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:44,239
you wouldn't be crazy, but not on this team, I

1224
00:53:44,280 --> 00:53:47,599
don't think. And so Hunter, I think provides a ton

1225
00:53:47,679 --> 00:53:51,840
of value. And yeah, I don't care about least favorable swaps,

1226
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:54,599
like big deal, Like that's you've already given those up

1227
00:53:54,679 --> 00:53:58,159
so three seconds. And the other thing is LeVert was

1228
00:53:58,159 --> 00:53:59,800
gonna hit free agency. You might have had to just

1229
00:53:59,880 --> 00:54:03,960
let him walk. That's another thing. So that you know Niang,

1230
00:54:04,199 --> 00:54:07,000
I don't really see a realistic scenario where Niang is

1231
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:10,039
playing major postseason minutes for you. So that's another kind

1232
00:54:10,039 --> 00:54:13,920
of zero loss aspect of this trade. You're more expensive,

1233
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,199
I guess because you're gonna have to fill that other

1234
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,360
roster spot and Hunter's on the books and he's more

1235
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,679
expensive than Lavert, but he might not cost more than

1236
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,519
Lavert was going to cost. So I just it's kind

1237
00:54:23,519 --> 00:54:26,599
of a win across the board for the Calves, and

1238
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:30,039
that's even if you get I don't know eighty percent

1239
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:31,960
of what Hunter's been this year. I still think it's

1240
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:33,119
just you do this every.

1241
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,320
Speaker 1: Time, right, and you might just wonder, Okay, well, what

1242
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:36,920
is he gonna look like in the playoffs. It's just

1243
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,840
it's so different because Cleveland is so much more talented,

1244
00:54:40,320 --> 00:54:42,440
can insulate him at both ends of the floor. I

1245
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,119
do want to ask you, though, because they were linked

1246
00:54:44,159 --> 00:54:46,639
to this player, I think we maybe it's not a

1247
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:48,159
good question more because we know what it took to

1248
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:50,559
get Hunter. But if it cost the same, which it

1249
00:54:50,559 --> 00:54:52,280
wouldn't have, you would have been out your twenty thirty

1250
00:54:52,280 --> 00:54:54,960
one pick. Do you prefer him or Cam Johnson for

1251
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:55,440
this team?

1252
00:54:56,440 --> 00:55:01,320
Speaker 3: I think, honestly, it's close enough that all things being equal,

1253
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:03,800
I would I would rather have Johnson, But I don't

1254
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,119
think you were getting Johnson for this package, So I

1255
00:55:06,119 --> 00:55:09,039
guess I guess I prefer Johnson if I could get

1256
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:12,119
it for the Hunter package, which was just not gonna happen.

1257
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:13,159
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1258
00:55:13,199 --> 00:55:15,039
Speaker 1: So, but I even think, like if you just would

1259
00:55:15,039 --> 00:55:17,800
have told me not even what they got. I said

1260
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:20,360
this to someone next to us on YouTube, and I responded,

1261
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,519
I think I lean Hunter.

1262
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:24,519
Speaker 2: It was close, but I think he's better on defense.

1263
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:26,119
Speaker 1: Do you have anything else to add for the Cavs

1264
00:55:26,159 --> 00:55:28,960
before we get into the rest of Atlanta's business before

1265
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:29,679
we talk about.

1266
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:31,199
Speaker 3: Him, No, I think we should move to Atlanta because

1267
00:55:31,199 --> 00:55:33,320
I can feel some strong feelings coming from you, and

1268
00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,159
I'm not sure I totally share all of them.

1269
00:55:35,519 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 1: So the other one of the other trades they made

1270
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:39,639
is that they sent Cody Zeller to Houston to duck

1271
00:55:39,679 --> 00:55:42,239
the tax along with a twenty eight second round pick.

1272
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:44,480
It was Houston's own that helped them get out of

1273
00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:46,960
the tacks because the other deal that they made did

1274
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:48,760
not necessarily do that on their own, even though I

1275
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,119
think they ended up trimming payroll as part of it.

1276
00:55:51,199 --> 00:55:55,119
But the Atlanta Hawks wound up trading bow Dug Bogdanovich

1277
00:55:55,199 --> 00:55:59,400
to the Los Angeles Clippers and in return they received

1278
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:02,119
Bones Island and Terrence Man. But also as part of

1279
00:56:02,119 --> 00:56:04,519
that trade and Atlanta sent out three second round picks

1280
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:07,760
to the Clippers. Minnesota's twenty twenty five second Memphis is

1281
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:10,760
twenty twenty six second, which is protected forty three to sixty,

1282
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:12,159
so you only get it if it falls in the

1283
00:56:12,159 --> 00:56:14,840
top forty two and then they sent out the Clippers

1284
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:19,760
twenty twenty seven second round pick. I understand this deal

1285
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:22,639
since you're waiting for the strong thoughts. For me, I

1286
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,239
understand this deal based off how bog Done Bogdanovic has

1287
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:27,719
played this year. He has not been healthy, he has

1288
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,119
not been good. So I think you can look at

1289
00:56:30,119 --> 00:56:32,239
this and say, that's like a se maybe a solid

1290
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:34,960
sea plus like Terrence Man comes in not gonna give

1291
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:37,480
you necessarily a ton of consistent offense, will defend his

1292
00:56:37,559 --> 00:56:39,920
butt off. You have him, resis Jay Dyson Daniels. You

1293
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:43,679
could do some pretty fucky stuff there defensively now, But

1294
00:56:43,800 --> 00:56:46,519
he gave up three second round picks. And I think

1295
00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:49,639
the bigger thing for me is they don't own their

1296
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:53,039
own pick this year, and yet they seem determined to

1297
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:56,079
surround Trey Young with as little spacing as possible on

1298
00:56:56,199 --> 00:56:58,639
the offensive end. Now, and you could say, well, isn't

1299
00:56:58,679 --> 00:57:01,840
it admirable to kind of zig and or at least

1300
00:57:02,199 --> 00:57:05,480
run your team without regard for a bad mistake that

1301
00:57:05,559 --> 00:57:06,280
was already made.

1302
00:57:06,920 --> 00:57:07,960
Speaker 2: Sure there is.

1303
00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 1: But then I would circle back to the DeAndre Hunter

1304
00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,960
deal and say if that was the because I've come

1305
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:14,760
around to the idea for the most part, unless you're

1306
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,159
the Bulls basically, and maybe even the Kings, I don't

1307
00:57:17,159 --> 00:57:19,280
think they looked at better deals and said, you know what, No,

1308
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,360
we're gonna take this Cleveland one. However, if that was

1309
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,880
the best offer for DeAndre Hunter available, I would have

1310
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,920
simply just kept DeAndre Hunter because this is a move

1311
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:32,559
that was more financially driven over the longer term for them.

1312
00:57:33,039 --> 00:57:34,679
You go tell me what they're gonna do with that

1313
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:37,400
additional flexibility this year. That's not really gonna be true

1314
00:57:37,400 --> 00:57:40,199
cap space probably, and even if it is, what are

1315
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:42,760
you gonna do with it? So I think this was

1316
00:57:42,920 --> 00:57:45,760
just a but just a bunch of not even for

1317
00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:47,519
the sake of making moves.

1318
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,880
Speaker 2: I think this was just a really bad deadline overall

1319
00:57:51,199 --> 00:57:51,760
for Atlanta.

1320
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 1: They probably could have made the Bogdanovitch trade on its

1321
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,679
own and would and then duck the tax with Zella

1322
00:57:55,719 --> 00:57:56,599
and I would have been fine.

1323
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:58,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I.

1324
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:02,119
Speaker 1: Just think this team just kind of reinforced itself as

1325
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:03,800
the pinnacle of mediocrity.

1326
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 3: It does feel a little bit that way. I don't

1327
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,079
love I didn't love Atlanta's deadline by any stretch. I

1328
00:58:10,159 --> 00:58:12,119
just I kind of understand it and they're in a

1329
00:58:12,159 --> 00:58:15,559
tough spot because, like you said, they don't control twenty five,

1330
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:18,039
twenty six, twenty seven first rounders. I belong to the Spurs,

1331
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,679
and so like, look, that's that's a situation of their

1332
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:24,920
own making. So no sympathy here. But I think just

1333
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,599
given those constraints, and given the quality of this team,

1334
00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:31,480
which is diminished by Jalen Johnson going down for the year,

1335
00:58:32,119 --> 00:58:34,320
like this isn't a team you should pay the tax on.

1336
00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:38,440
So I get prioritizing ducking the tax, and and like

1337
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:41,559
I also sort of get even though we just kind

1338
00:58:41,559 --> 00:58:44,800
of talked down the swaps in twenty six and twenty eight,

1339
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,079
like that's still you could still point to that and say, like,

1340
00:58:47,079 --> 00:58:50,000
well it's a little bit of first round, you know, equity.

1341
00:58:50,039 --> 00:58:54,760
I guess I think LeVert actually helps them because Bogdanovic

1342
00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:57,400
had not been good, because they need other because Kobe

1343
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,800
Buffkins hurt, because you need someone else who can dribble,

1344
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:03,119
and as LeVert can do some of that, and you

1345
00:59:03,159 --> 00:59:04,760
get a look at him and maybe you bring him back.

1346
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,159
Maybe you're just happy with the savings. It's probably the latter.

1347
00:59:07,239 --> 00:59:12,159
Given Atlanta's general mo it's not a good deadline The

1348
00:59:12,199 --> 00:59:13,960
other thing you can say in favor of Atlanta is

1349
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:17,000
that they probably traded Hunter at the peak of his value. Now,

1350
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,599
maybe they should have gotten more for him if he's

1351
00:59:19,639 --> 00:59:22,000
at the peak of his value. It's kind of just

1352
00:59:22,039 --> 00:59:24,719
a blah move for me, or a deadline for me.

1353
00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:28,440
But I'll acknowledge this disappointing that it's just like, yeah,

1354
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:30,800
they just wanted to duck the tax and we're probably

1355
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,320
willing to take kind of suboptimal packages to do that.

1356
00:59:33,840 --> 00:59:35,119
Speaker 2: Do you feel me differently?

1357
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,840
Speaker 1: And I would say more positively or more negatively one

1358
00:59:37,880 --> 00:59:40,159
way one way or the other about their deadline Following

1359
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:42,840
the report from Chris Haynes, I think was on NBA

1360
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:45,960
TV afterwards and said, stuff between Trey Young and the

1361
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:47,119
organization is weird.

1362
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,559
Speaker 2: Now was that?

1363
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:52,559
Speaker 3: What did he say that? After in like twenty twenty

1364
00:59:52,639 --> 00:59:56,679
one and twenty twenty two and the annual Trey Young report.

1365
00:59:58,239 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 1: Now it's the clock starts to tick because Trey Young

1366
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:04,440
has after this season just a year, like we could

1367
01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:05,679
talk extensions for Trey Young.

1368
01:00:05,719 --> 01:00:07,039
Speaker 2: That's always sort of the timetable.

1369
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 1: But independent of that, it's, oh, he has one more

1370
01:00:09,559 --> 01:00:11,639
year left on his deal forty six million and then

1371
01:00:11,639 --> 01:00:13,639
he has a player option for forty nine million after that,

1372
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:15,880
so we have scheduled for free agency in twenty twenty six.

1373
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I mean, look, if you want to get

1374
01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:22,159
back on level ground as far as your picks are concerned,

1375
01:00:22,360 --> 01:00:24,840
moving Young makes sense. You might get three first back

1376
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:25,280
for all of.

1377
01:00:25,199 --> 01:00:27,039
Speaker 2: Who you're not You're not getting your own anymore.

1378
01:00:27,119 --> 01:00:30,079
Speaker 3: That's no, you're definitely not. Who knows. I mean ooh, yeah,

1379
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:32,119
that is low key a huge bummer for the Hawks.

1380
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:34,800
That that that the Spurs did get a point guard

1381
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,119
that there they won't have an answering Young. Yeah, I

1382
01:00:38,119 --> 01:00:40,519
mean that's inevitable. I think. I think if you start

1383
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:43,480
piecing together like stars most likely to move going forward,

1384
01:00:43,559 --> 01:00:45,440
Young has to be pretty high on that list. And

1385
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:49,079
I have had him there for a long time. Yeah.

1386
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:51,639
That that that. I don't know how much that changes

1387
01:00:51,679 --> 01:00:53,360
my opinion because it's just kind of like, yeah, that's

1388
01:00:53,440 --> 01:00:57,400
priced in. But I guess Young does give you kind

1389
01:00:57,400 --> 01:01:00,239
of like Booker I guess does in Phoenix, like there's

1390
01:01:00,239 --> 01:01:03,039
a ripcord to pull, I guess, which will make your

1391
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:05,840
landing a little softer. But it's a problem that you're

1392
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:07,599
like thinking of things in those terms.

1393
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just don't. Do you look at any of

1394
01:01:10,679 --> 01:01:11,159
these deals.

1395
01:01:11,159 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 1: I mean the Cody Zeller one is, ah, they ducked

1396
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,119
attacks and it only cost them a distant first round

1397
01:01:15,159 --> 01:01:18,199
pick that was Houston's, but a second round pick. Excuse me,

1398
01:01:18,719 --> 01:01:20,599
Like you don't look at either of these two deals

1399
01:01:20,639 --> 01:01:22,280
and say they want it. I guess you could say

1400
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,599
Bogdanovic an event, but you had to send out three

1401
01:01:24,639 --> 01:01:27,679
second round picks. Yeah, you only had one guaranteed year

1402
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:30,039
left on his deal. And Terrence Man, I know he's

1403
01:01:30,039 --> 01:01:32,960
a little he's younger, but he's like a dead even

1404
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,960
money relative to what Bogdanovich was making next year's I

1405
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:38,400
think he's slightly cheaper. I just don't even look at

1406
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:40,519
that as you couldn't come out of this deal and

1407
01:01:40,559 --> 01:01:43,719
say like, oh, like this clearly made a boatload of sense.

1408
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:47,119
And I guess to your point about Lavert being valuable

1409
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:49,360
to them, did they acquire him with the intention to

1410
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:51,480
because you could say, oh, Bogdanovic was expendable because the

1411
01:01:51,480 --> 01:01:53,880
way Lavert's been shooting it better defender and at least

1412
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:55,679
probably better passer too.

1413
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,199
Speaker 2: So like the better player right now? Do you trust

1414
01:01:59,199 --> 01:01:59,360
it that?

1415
01:01:59,440 --> 01:01:59,519
Speaker 3: Like?

1416
01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:01,519
Speaker 1: Is the play and to pay Kris Lavert, and if

1417
01:02:01,519 --> 01:02:03,480
it is, that's wildly uninspired.

1418
01:02:04,039 --> 01:02:07,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think you've gotta to justify it from

1419
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,239
or if you think this was these were good moves

1420
01:02:10,280 --> 01:02:13,360
by Atlanta, you've got to be convinced that Bogdanovic is

1421
01:02:13,559 --> 01:02:15,360
washed and you don't want to be on the hook

1422
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:18,920
for two more years after this one with him. And

1423
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,840
then you've also got to have like a pretty serious

1424
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:25,079
intention to keep Lavert. Even then it's kind of like, well,

1425
01:02:25,079 --> 01:02:28,159
this was all still pretty clearly just financially motivated, and

1426
01:02:28,239 --> 01:02:30,280
that's hard to get inspired by that.

1427
01:02:30,519 --> 01:02:33,159
Speaker 1: Or I guess the if I had to undermine my

1428
01:02:33,199 --> 01:02:36,400
own take, they have more information on DeAndre Hunter, who's

1429
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:37,920
at a checkered health bill in the past, they might

1430
01:02:37,960 --> 01:02:40,039
just have no faith in DeAndre Hunter continuing to play

1431
01:02:40,039 --> 01:02:41,280
at a six man of a year level.

1432
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,559
Speaker 3: Lovis forward, which not a crazy stance to have.

1433
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,599
Speaker 2: The Clipper side of this, and this is in tandem.

1434
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,679
Speaker 1: I did talk about this myself, like they ducked attack

1435
01:02:49,719 --> 01:02:52,000
to that initial PJ Talker trade. I will say I

1436
01:02:52,039 --> 01:02:54,119
saw some stuff going around that I don't know if

1437
01:02:54,159 --> 01:02:56,639
it was Clippers fans or just general media media people

1438
01:02:56,679 --> 01:03:00,440
or block people podcasters saying, well, why did they just

1439
01:03:00,480 --> 01:03:03,280
make the move for like Davion Mitchell and Duct attacks

1440
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,320
that way? And I found that interesting. I think you

1441
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,320
Banks has a chance of actually filling a need more

1442
01:03:08,360 --> 01:03:10,480
than David like you have Chris done on this team.

1443
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,880
He's just all these like defensive like perimeter like guys

1444
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:16,400
who are awesome at doing that. So I didn't have

1445
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:18,480
an issue with that. But they make that move Duct

1446
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,800
attacks and they go out and make this move Grant.

1447
01:03:20,880 --> 01:03:23,320
I also think by the way the Davion Mitchell stuff,

1448
01:03:23,480 --> 01:03:26,039
maybe Brogden doesn't get a buy out from Washington because

1449
01:03:26,039 --> 01:03:27,679
he wants to keep his bird rights and even get

1450
01:03:27,719 --> 01:03:30,079
more money that way, they have the ability to just

1451
01:03:30,159 --> 01:03:32,719
sign Brogden on the buyout market because they're no longer

1452
01:03:32,920 --> 01:03:36,400
like like into one of the aprons. So what did

1453
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:38,679
you think about them going after Bogdanovic and what they

1454
01:03:39,039 --> 01:03:41,239
gave up to get him specifically.

1455
01:03:41,639 --> 01:03:44,119
Speaker 3: Well, it's just nice that they finally traded Terrence Man

1456
01:03:44,119 --> 01:03:46,320
who they just held out of every deal for as

1457
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:47,360
long as he's been there.

1458
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:50,840
Speaker 2: And James Harden talks to getting traded for poked.

1459
01:03:51,760 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 3: I mean, look, Dan, this is another example of the

1460
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:55,800
deal that's like, yeah, I see it from both sides,

1461
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,320
because it's just a bet that Bogdanovic can be the

1462
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,360
guy that finished like fifth and sixth Man of the

1463
01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:03,159
Year last year and like six or something two years before,

1464
01:04:03,199 --> 01:04:05,599
like that he can just be that guy. And if

1465
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:07,960
he is, then man, he helps you so much more

1466
01:04:08,239 --> 01:04:11,320
than Bones or Terrence Mandas right, because it's like another

1467
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,320
guy that can space and can make plays. It is

1468
01:04:14,400 --> 01:04:17,920
just a smart offensive guard. Like it's an upside play,

1469
01:04:17,960 --> 01:04:20,519
I guess, and taking on some risk as the Clippers

1470
01:04:20,679 --> 01:04:24,119
just but if Bogdanovic is what he's been and we're

1471
01:04:24,159 --> 01:04:26,519
just even if we're just talking about this year, I

1472
01:04:26,599 --> 01:04:28,880
don't know, it makes a little bit of sense to me.

1473
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,039
And you're getting picks with him, So I don't know.

1474
01:04:31,079 --> 01:04:31,719
Speaker 2: I thought.

1475
01:04:32,519 --> 01:04:35,519
Speaker 3: I think the Clippers like if you just look at

1476
01:04:35,519 --> 01:04:39,960
what went out Tucker bomba man Highland a second and

1477
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,880
you got back U Bank's Mills, Bogdanovic and more seconds,

1478
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,639
like that's a net gain to me. If Bogdanovic can't play,

1479
01:04:48,119 --> 01:04:51,760
then this all all that analysis changes. But let's let's see,

1480
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:52,119
you know.

1481
01:04:52,639 --> 01:04:54,599
Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it would change, But I think

1482
01:04:54,639 --> 01:04:56,400
the other ben The two things that I would stand

1483
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,840
out of why I loved this deal specifically for them,

1484
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:02,719
I think that you're feeling this season if you kept

1485
01:05:02,800 --> 01:05:05,039
Terrence Man, it would have been lower than if you

1486
01:05:05,079 --> 01:05:09,000
swing on Bogdanovich and he hits no question. The other

1487
01:05:09,079 --> 01:05:11,039
thing too, that I don't think is being talked about enough.

1488
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:14,159
This is a team that clearly has like aspirations to

1489
01:05:14,239 --> 01:05:17,920
do something by or in twenty twenty six. They did

1490
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,000
sign Terrence Man to that extension, so that's on them.

1491
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:21,840
But Bogdanovich comes off the book. He has a team

1492
01:05:21,880 --> 01:05:24,880
option for twenty six twenty seven, so like he comes

1493
01:05:24,880 --> 01:05:27,400
off the books then too, so like you've I think

1494
01:05:27,400 --> 01:05:30,039
now aligned your books a little bit better around. We'll

1495
01:05:30,039 --> 01:05:31,760
see what happens with James Harden this year and his

1496
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,760
player options. Is he signed a longer term pack. But

1497
01:05:34,840 --> 01:05:37,760
you very clearly I think like you've kept that sort

1498
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,360
of path towards oh, like you'll be able to do

1499
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:41,639
something in twenty twenty six, or at least have a

1500
01:05:41,719 --> 01:05:44,639
ton of flexibility leading in there. And just you mentioned

1501
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:46,239
at the top of this, like Terrence Man, even if

1502
01:05:46,239 --> 01:05:48,239
you don't want to say he was expendable relative to

1503
01:05:48,280 --> 01:05:51,760
this package, he was like kind of a surplus relatively,

1504
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:55,920
but what they needed is exactly what Bovit Bonovich Bogdanovic

1505
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:58,280
has done at his peak. And so if they also

1506
01:05:58,360 --> 01:06:00,159
end up with Malcolm Brogden at the end of this two,

1507
01:06:00,199 --> 01:06:02,639
that's that's enough safeguards for me to love it. But

1508
01:06:02,800 --> 01:06:05,800
I think I liked their trade deadline overall.

1509
01:06:06,119 --> 01:06:06,599
Speaker 3: I did too.

1510
01:06:06,719 --> 01:06:10,760
Speaker 1: Our next team that Marcus Smart trade grant will go

1511
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:13,719
through it and begin with I think the Grizzlies, of course,

1512
01:06:13,800 --> 01:06:18,679
But the overall trade was here we go. Memphis gets

1513
01:06:18,719 --> 01:06:23,719
Marvin Beckley the third and Johnny Davis. Sacramento receives Jake Laabia.

1514
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:28,679
Washington receives Colby Jones, alex Lynn, Marcus Smart, memphis Is

1515
01:06:28,679 --> 01:06:31,239
twenty twenty five first round pick and Sacramento's twenty twenty

1516
01:06:31,239 --> 01:06:34,719
eight second round pick. As we're recording this, the initial reporting,

1517
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:37,239
which had players going to teams that they didn't end

1518
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:39,800
up with, did say that Memphis was getting two second

1519
01:06:39,840 --> 01:06:42,719
round picks. I haven't seen which second round picks those are.

1520
01:06:43,239 --> 01:06:46,840
Memphis gets off well, you have to note this. It's

1521
01:06:46,920 --> 01:06:49,360
it's a cliche, but it's a fact too. They sent

1522
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:51,679
out Tias Jones and two first round picks to get

1523
01:06:51,840 --> 01:06:53,559
Marcus Smart and then they had to send out a

1524
01:06:53,559 --> 01:06:56,159
first round pick to get off of Marcus Smart.

1525
01:06:57,440 --> 01:07:00,800
Speaker 2: What do you make of this order of operation for Memphis?

1526
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:04,639
Speaker 3: I mean that I know, I know, I can tell

1527
01:07:04,679 --> 01:07:06,840
you're saying, you know, we shouldn't consider what it costs

1528
01:07:06,880 --> 01:07:09,639
to get him because that's paid already. But like that

1529
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:12,840
is the first paragraph of this trade, is that Marcus

1530
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:15,719
Smart cost you to to get and cost you one

1531
01:07:15,719 --> 01:07:19,000
to get rid of, and like that's just a massive,

1532
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:23,119
massive loss, right, And I think La Ravia actually kind

1533
01:07:23,119 --> 01:07:25,559
of indirectly cost a first to get initially because there

1534
01:07:25,599 --> 01:07:28,079
was a draft day trade for something about that I

1535
01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:30,119
don't know. Don't quote me on that one, but a

1536
01:07:30,119 --> 01:07:32,039
lot of people were talking about how Memphis just like

1537
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:35,360
seems to draft okay, but then not so hot with

1538
01:07:35,400 --> 01:07:41,199
the trades. And if you're a Memphis fan being told that, hey,

1539
01:07:41,239 --> 01:07:43,159
we freed up some money so we can give Jared

1540
01:07:43,199 --> 01:07:47,119
Jackson Junior his next deal, like that's disappointing because you're

1541
01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:49,159
a contender in the West and you paid a first

1542
01:07:49,239 --> 01:07:52,800
round pick to get off of a guy that, while

1543
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,239
he's been terrible and been hurt, has a lot bigger

1544
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,079
chance of helping you win this year than Marvin Bagley

1545
01:07:59,119 --> 01:08:01,480
or Johnny Davis. And that's kind of where the analysis

1546
01:08:01,480 --> 01:08:05,639
should stop. I think if you're Memphis, so it's bad

1547
01:08:05,639 --> 01:08:09,000
for the Grizzlies. I just think objectively bad they it's

1548
01:08:09,039 --> 01:08:12,599
a salary dump basically that you're paying a high price

1549
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:17,359
to execute, and a team in Memphis position shouldn't be

1550
01:08:17,399 --> 01:08:20,239
in doing that. Like, that's just not that doesn't square

1551
01:08:20,319 --> 01:08:23,439
with how good Memphis is. And I hate it. I mean,

1552
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,960
like I don't know, I do you feel differently?

1553
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:28,520
Speaker 2: I mostly hate it.

1554
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,560
Speaker 1: So my whole thing is if you can carve out

1555
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:34,640
space to give a renegotiate and extend to Jaron Jackson Junior.

1556
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:37,680
I think that has value because he's not extending off

1557
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:40,600
his back current number, which I means like twenty three million, Yeah,

1558
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,439
one hundred and forty percent of that. So keeping him

1559
01:08:43,439 --> 01:08:45,439
out of even if you think that he'll just come back,

1560
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:48,479
keeping him out of unrestricted free agency has real value. Sure,

1561
01:08:48,720 --> 01:08:51,880
here's my counter to that, though, He's going to make

1562
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,239
all MBA and he will be super Max eligible if

1563
01:08:55,239 --> 01:08:57,279
he does, so, you didn't need to make this trade

1564
01:08:57,319 --> 01:09:00,760
to keep Jaron Jackson Jr. If you're saying you're not

1565
01:09:00,800 --> 01:09:03,000
gonna give him the Supermax even if he's eligible. That's

1566
01:09:03,039 --> 01:09:06,880
a different kind of conversation. Is he gonna still sign then?

1567
01:09:07,039 --> 01:09:09,079
Now that you've made that, like, there is one outcome

1568
01:09:09,119 --> 01:09:10,720
then where this is okay, and that is you keep

1569
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,600
Jaron Jackson Junior out of twenty six free agency, and

1570
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:16,199
if you don't, this becomes a Demonstra failure. But I

1571
01:09:16,199 --> 01:09:19,039
think that's the only level of justification for it, because

1572
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,079
even if you throw out what they gave up in

1573
01:09:21,079 --> 01:09:23,520
the first place, it's like you said, by the way, Jacobaavia,

1574
01:09:23,600 --> 01:09:25,760
they're so deep that he can kind of be buried.

1575
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:27,479
Speaker 2: But like he's played well for that he's a good pleasure.

1576
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:29,680
Speaker 1: But they also declined his team options, so they can

1577
01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,840
only give him like five point whatever million. I don't

1578
01:09:31,840 --> 01:09:33,439
really think that would be an issue next year, but

1579
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:36,880
something to note. So throw out the cost of what

1580
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,520
they did for Marcus Smart. You were right when you

1581
01:09:38,600 --> 01:09:40,600
hit it on the head and said you can't afford

1582
01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:43,600
like this type, especially when you're working within such tight

1583
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,640
financial constructs. Overall of what we're trying to plan around

1584
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,479
paying Jaron Jackson Junior, along with Bain and John Morant,

1585
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:51,159
especially in this new salary cap era.

1586
01:09:51,720 --> 01:09:55,119
Speaker 2: It's I would say the most terrible.

1587
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 1: Way to put it is that it's somewhat logical, but

1588
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:01,000
it's just mostly uninspiring. And I don't if Jaron Jackson

1589
01:10:01,079 --> 01:10:03,800
Junior wasn't gonna make an All NBA team, I might

1590
01:10:03,880 --> 01:10:06,079
not be as hard as hard on them as because

1591
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:07,640
he's a lot unless he gets injured.

1592
01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, the game's threshold played at this point.

1593
01:10:10,319 --> 01:10:11,920
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to put that out into the universe,

1594
01:10:12,279 --> 01:10:14,199
like you didn't need to do this to pay Jaron

1595
01:10:14,279 --> 01:10:14,920
Jackson Junior.

1596
01:10:15,760 --> 01:10:18,680
Speaker 3: Do you think there's any chance Smart could have been

1597
01:10:18,880 --> 01:10:22,760
a helpful player for Memphis, like in the playoffs potentially.

1598
01:10:23,079 --> 01:10:25,960
Speaker 1: If he's healthy. Offensively, no, I think he's done. Yeah,

1599
01:10:27,159 --> 01:10:30,600
whatever that means for Marcus Smart's offense. I think defensively sure,

1600
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:33,000
Because we had this conversation leading into the deadline of

1601
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:36,039
Jalen Wells has been fantastic. They have all this like

1602
01:10:36,079 --> 01:10:38,800
big man depth in the world and now Gigi Jackson's back,

1603
01:10:38,880 --> 01:10:41,239
but like when you've dealt with injuries to him and

1604
01:10:41,319 --> 01:10:43,760
Vince Williams and John Wells as a rookie, and we

1605
01:10:43,840 --> 01:10:46,720
know Desmond Baines and John Moran's defensive limitations, like who

1606
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:49,960
is just the guy that's gonna go guard the most

1607
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:51,840
experienced other perimeter players.

1608
01:10:52,439 --> 01:10:54,239
Speaker 2: Scottie Pippen Junior is really small?

1609
01:10:54,319 --> 01:10:56,920
Speaker 1: Like it the answer was still probably Marcus Smart, which

1610
01:10:56,960 --> 01:10:58,800
is problematic for obvious reasons.

1611
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,039
Speaker 2: But you haven't created all to that.

1612
01:11:01,039 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 3: That's the thing. I think the analysis would be really

1613
01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:07,399
different if if someone that came back to Memphis in

1614
01:11:07,439 --> 01:11:11,920
this deal, you could talk yourself into giving them five

1615
01:11:12,079 --> 01:11:15,319
to ten minutes in a playoff game, like, because I

1616
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:17,680
really do think that is the lens that Memphis should

1617
01:11:17,680 --> 01:11:20,439
be viewing things through, is like we might make the

1618
01:11:20,439 --> 01:11:23,520
Western Conference finals, Like that's a possibility for this team,

1619
01:11:24,119 --> 01:11:27,439
and to get back Bagley and Davis, who just like

1620
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:29,880
are on the way out of the league, Like I

1621
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,680
think full stop, like Badley had no business getting this

1622
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:37,000
deal that's finally twelve and a half million expiring. But

1623
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:40,359
like if you thought Smart might be able to give

1624
01:11:40,399 --> 01:11:43,359
you anything, I just don't think you can justify this

1625
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:46,039
deal because you can you can deal with the Jackson

1626
01:11:46,079 --> 01:11:48,760
stuff and you can and look you've drafted well too,

1627
01:11:48,840 --> 01:11:51,880
like a late twenty five first rounder might return the

1628
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,600
guy that's you just drafted j thirty.

1629
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 1: Nine des Bain. Look where they found him. Jayalen Wells

1630
01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,199
wasn't even in the first.

1631
01:11:59,039 --> 01:12:01,800
Speaker 3: Thirty ninth pick, and so like, go get another Jalen? What? Like,

1632
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,640
I just it doesn't make sense to me because even

1633
01:12:05,239 --> 01:12:07,560
the thing, the thing that I we like about Memphis

1634
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,479
is its ability to draft that, it just kicked that

1635
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,960
out the window, like to get rid of Marcus Smart

1636
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:15,000
who might have helped you? No, who would who would

1637
01:12:15,039 --> 01:12:17,239
have been more helpful to you than Bagley or Davis.

1638
01:12:17,319 --> 01:12:18,960
So I just I don't I don't get.

1639
01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:22,760
Speaker 1: It now if they use this additional flexibility to Reno,

1640
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:25,399
like if that's how Jaron Jackson Junior stays in Memphis,

1641
01:12:25,439 --> 01:12:27,479
because maybe that ends up being a cheaper deal than

1642
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:29,560
what we thought the super Max was going to be.

1643
01:12:30,079 --> 01:12:32,880
But like at that point, it's okay, So if it's

1644
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:34,720
going to be less than a thirty percent max, I

1645
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:37,399
mean maybe he would sign for I'm just trying to in.

1646
01:12:37,359 --> 01:12:39,720
Speaker 3: The off season what that trade Smart in the off

1647
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:41,680
season then like, don't don't do it now.

1648
01:12:42,039 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 1: That's I think that's I think that's the rebuke because

1649
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:46,319
I was gonna say, if they're if they use this

1650
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,479
flexibility to renegotiate and extend Jaron Jackson JUNR.

1651
01:12:50,039 --> 01:12:52,000
Speaker 2: Will that change your like impressions? All?

1652
01:12:52,079 --> 01:12:54,319
Speaker 1: Like, it's not done by way of him making the

1653
01:12:54,359 --> 01:12:56,920
All NBA team and getting some version of a max deal.

1654
01:12:57,479 --> 01:12:59,680
Speaker 3: I guess it makes it easier to justify, but I

1655
01:12:59,800 --> 01:13:02,800
just don't I don't know why you couldn't have. Also,

1656
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:04,880
I don't think smart's likely to help them. I just

1657
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,159
think it's more probable than the guys they got back.

1658
01:13:07,600 --> 01:13:09,960
But I don't know why you can't wait. It's not

1659
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:13,079
like you have to negotiate Jackson's deal the day the

1660
01:13:13,119 --> 01:13:16,640
season ends, and all we're going to trade like, I

1661
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,479
don't know. I'm sure, I'm sure there's some justification other

1662
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:24,520
than just this is a dumb the stupidly timed move

1663
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:27,319
that is like anathetical to a team that should be

1664
01:13:27,319 --> 01:13:30,119
trying to win. But I just I don't see it.

1665
01:13:30,359 --> 01:13:32,399
Speaker 2: Let's talk Kings. They have another deal to go through

1666
01:13:32,439 --> 01:13:33,520
after this one very quickly.

1667
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:36,720
Speaker 1: But so they sent out here Colby Jones, Alex Lynn

1668
01:13:37,039 --> 01:13:39,600
and that twenty twenty eight second, and they're getting Jake

1669
01:13:39,640 --> 01:13:43,279
Laavia back. They also made a deal to get Jonas Valencoutas,

1670
01:13:43,279 --> 01:13:45,520
which is you know, we know now why they didn't

1671
01:13:45,560 --> 01:13:47,800
take back Trey Jones and the zach Lavine deal. So

1672
01:13:48,039 --> 01:13:50,079
they take him into their non tax player mid level

1673
01:13:50,079 --> 01:13:52,880
exception and they give up two second round picks. Is

1674
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:55,079
what it ends up being for him? What have you

1675
01:13:55,159 --> 01:13:57,439
made of And we also we've already talked at length

1676
01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:00,560
about dearon Fox zach Lavine, but we're talking about that,

1677
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:01,159
I mean Macro.

1678
01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:03,399
Speaker 2: But is there anything you like about these deals specifically?

1679
01:14:03,479 --> 01:14:05,960
Speaker 1: What do you end up thinking about their entire deadline direction,

1680
01:14:06,079 --> 01:14:06,560
et cetera.

1681
01:14:07,079 --> 01:14:10,000
Speaker 3: I think the it's hard to come up with a

1682
01:14:10,039 --> 01:14:13,279
positional group that's been less productive than backup big on

1683
01:14:13,319 --> 01:14:16,039
the Kings in the whole league, And so Valentunas is

1684
01:14:16,079 --> 01:14:18,119
far from a superstar. I don't think he's a starter

1685
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:21,119
on a good team, but like he can give them

1686
01:14:21,319 --> 01:14:23,960
so much more than they've been getting from from Len

1687
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:27,199
and Trade Jon, the Trey Lyles and just good guys

1688
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:30,600
they've trotted out to try to fill that spot. Also,

1689
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:33,880
like cornering the market on Lithuanian big guys, that's that's awesome.

1690
01:14:34,640 --> 01:14:37,760
You don't play together, Oh god, you no way.

1691
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:44,159
Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I would try it. I'm not gonna lie.

1692
01:14:44,399 --> 01:14:46,800
Speaker 3: You know what, if that means the Bonis starts taking

1693
01:14:46,840 --> 01:14:48,520
like seven or eight threes, I'm for it.

1694
01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 1: That would just screening and rolling for Sabonis. Let's just

1695
01:14:52,840 --> 01:14:53,439
let's roll with it.

1696
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 3: Let's see. I mean that's this is a no brainer

1697
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,319
acquisition for them given the price, right, I think the King,

1698
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,640
like the Kings, should do this ten times out of ten.

1699
01:15:02,359 --> 01:15:03,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you.

1700
01:15:03,079 --> 01:15:06,199
Speaker 1: I even liked I greeted them favorably in the Memphis

1701
01:15:06,279 --> 01:15:07,560
Washington deal as well.

1702
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:09,159
Speaker 2: I like Jake Laavia.

1703
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:11,600
Speaker 1: I think they're fans and rightfully so, we're pining for,

1704
01:15:12,039 --> 01:15:15,680
you know, a bigger, more impact wing defender type. I

1705
01:15:15,680 --> 01:15:17,920
don't know if I trust Jake Leravia's three point stroke,

1706
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,800
especially in a playoff setting, but he shooting forty five

1707
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:21,880
and a half percent on almost two catch and shoot

1708
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:24,239
three pint attempts per game, and he's when you watch him,

1709
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:28,199
he's a legitimate four position defender. That's not someone aside

1710
01:15:28,199 --> 01:15:30,199
from Keegan Murray that they have on this roster. So

1711
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:34,039
between him, Devin Carter, Keon Ellis, I think you've it now,

1712
01:15:34,239 --> 01:15:37,800
like because you've essentially decided we're gonna try and recreate

1713
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:41,000
like a better offensive version of that Bulls team, but

1714
01:15:41,079 --> 01:15:42,920
with worse perimeter defenders around them.

1715
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,319
Speaker 2: So I think this was like the way to go

1716
01:15:45,399 --> 01:15:45,720
with it.

1717
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:48,640
Speaker 1: I really think the Jake Labia addition is probably one

1718
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,319
of the more underrated acquisitions of the of the deadline.

1719
01:15:51,359 --> 01:15:53,399
Speaker 3: I agree, And as you've noted when we were talking

1720
01:15:53,399 --> 01:15:57,119
to Memphis, because his fourth year option was declined, the

1721
01:15:57,199 --> 01:15:59,479
Kings can pay him no more than like five point

1722
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:03,000
two million in starting in free agency, which might, like,

1723
01:16:03,239 --> 01:16:04,479
I don't know, I don't know. If he's a mid

1724
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,199
level guy, that might be enough to keep him around.

1725
01:16:07,319 --> 01:16:09,279
But if you're just talking about this season, like I

1726
01:16:09,279 --> 01:16:12,239
think La Ravia is gonna play, and like will give them,

1727
01:16:12,279 --> 01:16:13,960
as you said, a lot that they're not getting from

1728
01:16:13,960 --> 01:16:14,880
other wings.

1729
01:16:15,119 --> 01:16:17,359
Speaker 1: I should give, like the Doug Christy Eric King's a

1730
01:16:17,359 --> 01:16:19,279
benefit of the doubt. But after watching Kean Ellis be

1731
01:16:19,359 --> 01:16:21,079
buried on the bench for so long, I just won't,

1732
01:16:21,279 --> 01:16:23,880
you know, a little scary bum onto La Ravia playing.

1733
01:16:23,880 --> 01:16:26,359
But I think I'm still not crazy about what they

1734
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:30,079
did with darn Fox. I think that was short sighted.

1735
01:16:30,119 --> 01:16:32,359
They should have skewed towards starting over or at least

1736
01:16:32,359 --> 01:16:37,800
addressing the situation way earlier than they did, but I like,

1737
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,359
like these two subsequent moves that made me feel better.

1738
01:16:40,439 --> 01:16:43,079
And I also the thing is, I like zach Lavine.

1739
01:16:43,119 --> 01:16:46,279
We both kind of tilted towards the direction of people

1740
01:16:46,279 --> 01:16:49,119
are too low on zach Lavine, and so I'm interested

1741
01:16:49,119 --> 01:16:51,319
to see what this team can become. And they're just

1742
01:16:51,800 --> 01:16:54,760
I think they're more like they're deeper now and they're

1743
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,439
I think they're a little bit more versatile on the

1744
01:16:56,439 --> 01:16:58,720
defensive end than they were a few hours ago.

1745
01:16:58,920 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 3: I would put it this way to close it up

1746
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:03,319
on the Kings, like I when I did the full

1747
01:17:03,399 --> 01:17:06,640
deadline grade for them, it incorporated the Levine Fox deal,

1748
01:17:07,119 --> 01:17:09,119
and I would say that the I feel like I'm

1749
01:17:09,119 --> 01:17:11,760
a little I think it was a C plus overall,

1750
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:15,399
and the Valanceunis and La Ravia acquisitions moved the grade up.

1751
01:17:15,800 --> 01:17:17,800
I think I think those were just sort of you know,

1752
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,680
pound four pound better deals that it made more sense

1753
01:17:20,720 --> 01:17:22,680
to me than the Lavigne acquisition.

1754
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:24,199
Speaker 2: Do you know what's frustrating about them?

1755
01:17:24,199 --> 01:17:26,680
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about these players specifically necessarily, but these

1756
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,079
are also the types of deals that the Kings could

1757
01:17:29,119 --> 01:17:31,640
have made, like at the previous two trade deadlines.

1758
01:17:31,279 --> 01:17:33,760
Speaker 3: Well, that's yeah, that's true when.

1759
01:17:33,680 --> 01:17:35,520
Speaker 1: He talked some wizards here. But let's get to one

1760
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,840
of the other deals that they were involved in. They

1761
01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:41,159
got a boatload of second round picks from the field,

1762
01:17:41,199 --> 01:17:43,680
or excuse me, they traded a boatload of second round

1763
01:17:43,720 --> 01:17:45,680
picks to the Philadelphia seventy six ers to end up

1764
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:48,159
getting a first round pick, and so it's a less

1765
01:17:48,199 --> 01:17:51,439
favorable first round pick. But I found like just sort

1766
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:53,640
of the context of it interesting, So if you're watching

1767
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:55,920
on screen, perhaps you could read it. But they end

1768
01:17:56,039 --> 01:17:58,880
up sending Philly Jared Butler a twenty twenty seven second

1769
01:17:58,960 --> 01:18:01,800
round pick, a Goal State's twenty twenty eight second round pick,

1770
01:18:02,039 --> 01:18:04,199
a twenty thirty second round pick that's most favorable of

1771
01:18:04,239 --> 01:18:06,960
Phoenix in Portland, on top of their own twenty thirty

1772
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,800
second round pick. They take back Reggie Jackson, and they

1773
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:11,600
got a twenty twenty six first round pick.

1774
01:18:11,680 --> 01:18:12,520
Speaker 2: It'll be the less.

1775
01:18:12,359 --> 01:18:16,239
Speaker 1: Favorable of Houston, the Clippers in Oklahoma City. So there's

1776
01:18:16,279 --> 01:18:18,159
like a real chance that that pick is going to

1777
01:18:18,159 --> 01:18:21,159
be worse than number twenty five. They had so many

1778
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:23,800
second rounders, I don't care. And then I think when

1779
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,640
you look at the rest of their trade, deadline where

1780
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:29,079
you get another first coming out of that Marcus Smart deal,

1781
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,000
and I love like I was torn on the Kyle

1782
01:18:32,039 --> 01:18:35,880
Kuzma trade because I think it's clear there's some there's

1783
01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:38,359
Like people have said that they could have gotten two

1784
01:18:38,399 --> 01:18:40,279
first round picks form it last year's trade deadline. I

1785
01:18:40,279 --> 01:18:42,279
don't know if that's true. I'm pretty confident that they

1786
01:18:42,319 --> 01:18:44,600
could have gotten at least one at the trade deadline

1787
01:18:44,600 --> 01:18:46,600
and over the offseason. So they clearly waited on him

1788
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:48,239
for too long when you kind of look at the

1789
01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:50,640
return they got and now you have Marcus Smart and

1790
01:18:50,720 --> 01:18:54,199
Chris Middleton is just sort of your vets with Malcolm Brogden.

1791
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:56,119
Speaker 2: Around these youngsters. I almost love it.

1792
01:18:56,600 --> 01:19:00,159
Speaker 1: And so I like their trade deadline way more more

1793
01:19:00,199 --> 01:19:01,840
than I thought I was going to. With the caveat

1794
01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:04,560
that it clearly would have made more sense to deal

1795
01:19:04,680 --> 01:19:07,960
Kyle Kuzma last February or at least over the offseason.

1796
01:19:08,039 --> 01:19:10,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that. I just you know, I

1797
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,960
think maybe the lesson too that I needed to learn

1798
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,199
from the Phoenix deal we talked about earlier is that

1799
01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,279
kind of getting any first has additional value because not

1800
01:19:20,359 --> 01:19:22,079
that this is an issue for Washington, but it does

1801
01:19:22,119 --> 01:19:24,159
allow you to trade first, you know, in the years

1802
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:26,399
before and after that you kind of conduct the Steppian

1803
01:19:26,399 --> 01:19:29,319
if you're piling up extra first. Again not a Washington

1804
01:19:29,319 --> 01:19:31,720
issue because they got plenty, but yeah, I'll give up

1805
01:19:31,720 --> 01:19:34,720
for four seconds for a low first, just because you

1806
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:37,640
know you're right it's gonna be in the twenties. It

1807
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,640
might be number twenty nine or thirty or whatever, but

1808
01:19:40,720 --> 01:19:43,479
that still just has additional value because you can do

1809
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:45,840
other stuff with your own first or other first. You

1810
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:50,119
get flexibility there. Again, this is another Charlotte esque situation

1811
01:19:50,119 --> 01:19:52,560
where it's like, all right, this is this is what

1812
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,279
you're supposed to do in this situation. Take on some

1813
01:19:55,359 --> 01:19:59,319
bad money, nothing too long with Middleton's that's what I'm

1814
01:19:59,319 --> 01:20:02,600
referring to. And and smart nothing like not crazy with

1815
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,880
first attached, Like that's just that's the that's the order

1816
01:20:05,920 --> 01:20:08,000
of business for first order of business for a team

1817
01:20:08,079 --> 01:20:11,880
like this, And like the I don't know what to

1818
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:14,279
do with the because we keep coming back to this,

1819
01:20:14,439 --> 01:20:18,159
like how much do we knock them for not trading

1820
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:21,479
Kuzma or whoever we happen to be talking about, Like earlier,

1821
01:20:22,039 --> 01:20:23,880
I think it's it's not like you can never do

1822
01:20:23,960 --> 01:20:26,399
that because there are situations where it's super obvious they

1823
01:20:26,399 --> 01:20:29,600
should have traded, you know, like Vucevic a couple of

1824
01:20:29,680 --> 01:20:32,760
years or whatever, like Levine before his value creator, like

1825
01:20:32,800 --> 01:20:36,640
all that stuff. But yeah, I think I liked Washington's

1826
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:38,319
deadline quite a bit. I think to get out of

1827
01:20:38,319 --> 01:20:41,560
it with two first like who knows what, maybe Kuzma

1828
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:45,159
will be his laker's self with with the Bucks, but

1829
01:20:45,279 --> 01:20:47,680
he wasn't going to be with Washington, so it's kind

1830
01:20:47,720 --> 01:20:51,039
of like what's the difference. Yeah, I'm mostly positive on them.

1831
01:20:51,039 --> 01:20:51,640
I think.

1832
01:20:52,279 --> 01:20:54,880
Speaker 1: I think by the way, just signing Jonas valentiunis and

1833
01:20:54,920 --> 01:20:57,239
then just turning him into two second round picks.

1834
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:01,399
Speaker 3: Mission accomplished that. He like that's that was a beginning,

1835
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:03,880
middle and end, like fully executed plan, Like they got

1836
01:21:03,880 --> 01:21:05,399
what they thought they'd get for him, I bet.

1837
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 1: And the other thing too, is I like, you didn't

1838
01:21:07,800 --> 01:21:09,640
see this because Kuzma was on the books with Middleton,

1839
01:21:10,039 --> 01:21:11,720
although you did kind of like Middleton, if he picks

1840
01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:13,560
up his player option, he becomes expiring. But like with

1841
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:17,119
the Marcus smart thing, you rolled expiring contracts into another

1842
01:21:17,159 --> 01:21:19,159
salary slot with Marcus part that you could then do

1843
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:20,920
something similar with next season.

1844
01:21:21,079 --> 01:21:21,520
Speaker 2: I don't.

1845
01:21:22,039 --> 01:21:24,039
Speaker 1: The only critique I could love is that you probably

1846
01:21:24,079 --> 01:21:26,760
could have gotten more for Kuzma a year ago, six

1847
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,039
months ago, but you might have made up just as much,

1848
01:21:30,039 --> 01:21:32,159
if not more, of the overarching value you with all

1849
01:21:32,199 --> 01:21:35,279
of your moves done at this trade deadline. From Philly's

1850
01:21:35,279 --> 01:21:37,920
perspective on this trade, where you're giving away that second

1851
01:21:38,119 --> 01:21:41,039
that excuse me, that first round pick for four seconds.

1852
01:21:41,079 --> 01:21:43,680
But I also, since we're gonna talk about the sixers here,

1853
01:21:44,279 --> 01:21:48,159
there wasn't a like an addendum to the the Caleb

1854
01:21:48,199 --> 01:21:52,880
Martin trade where because they there's he has a hip injury, yes,

1855
01:21:52,920 --> 01:21:55,079
and Dallas was initially okay with him, but the physical

1856
01:21:55,119 --> 01:21:57,479
came back. So now Philly has to send out a

1857
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:00,000
twenty thirty second round pick while getting back Quentin Grimes.

1858
01:22:00,319 --> 01:22:02,640
And it's on twenty twenty five second round pick. Where

1859
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:04,640
you're looking at everything they did. We already talked about

1860
01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,000
the kJ like we at least noted the kJ Martin stuff,

1861
01:22:07,239 --> 01:22:10,720
that trade with Washington. Where they're at in the standings

1862
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:14,079
and what this might portend. How do you feel about

1863
01:22:14,079 --> 01:22:15,359
what they did and where they're going.

1864
01:22:16,079 --> 01:22:20,399
Speaker 3: I feel slightly in the negative let's split it up.

1865
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:23,159
So I think Grimes, if we're talking about the Caleb

1866
01:22:23,199 --> 01:22:27,319
Martin deal in particular, I think Grimes is a better player.

1867
01:22:27,680 --> 01:22:31,119
Probably the question of what's gonna cost to keep him

1868
01:22:31,119 --> 01:22:33,880
in restricted free agency kind of complicates that analysis, I think,

1869
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:36,000
because you say what you want about Martin and the

1870
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:40,119
injury and production to this point, but three years left

1871
01:22:40,119 --> 01:22:42,840
for twenty nine million, like that's a I don't think

1872
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,000
you're getting Grimes back for much less than that. You're

1873
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:47,000
probably gonna have to pay more than that for Grimes,

1874
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,439
but to get your own second back in that deal,

1875
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,920
I like now basically him failing a physical more or

1876
01:22:53,039 --> 01:22:56,079
less having to send the twenty thirty out makes that

1877
01:22:56,199 --> 01:22:59,359
a little bit worse. I think the thing that I

1878
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:01,479
I don't know if you want to jump to the

1879
01:23:01,560 --> 01:23:03,479
kJ Martin side of things or just talk about this

1880
01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:04,439
deal specifically.

1881
01:23:05,279 --> 01:23:06,800
Speaker 1: I just want to talk about the Sixers in some

1882
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:08,319
because I think it's just all I liked.

1883
01:23:08,359 --> 01:23:10,039
Speaker 2: This deal specifically was fine.

1884
01:23:10,520 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 1: I think that Quentin Grimes a little smaller, and Kayleb

1885
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:15,920
Martin can guard up and Quentin Grimes can't, and so

1886
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:18,399
I don't know how it all works with Jared McCain

1887
01:23:18,439 --> 01:23:21,079
and Tyre's Maxie and Quentin Grimes moving forward, But like

1888
01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:23,640
you could start if you want to, Quentin Grimes and

1889
01:23:23,680 --> 01:23:26,000
Tyre's Maxie with Jared McCain coming off the bench. They

1890
01:23:26,039 --> 01:23:27,960
also needed guys who could hit wide open threes, and

1891
01:23:28,039 --> 01:23:30,640
Kayla Martin wasn't that dude. This year, I've had some

1892
01:23:30,680 --> 01:23:32,960
people text me and say that people around the league

1893
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:36,279
are just waiting for Quentin Grimes's legs to implode. I

1894
01:23:36,840 --> 01:23:39,199
guess that's a risk, but like you knew that Kayler

1895
01:23:39,239 --> 01:23:41,520
Martin was banged up to the point that Dallas had

1896
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:42,760
the right to veto the deal.

1897
01:23:42,880 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, could have gotten out of this and didn't.

1898
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,680
Speaker 1: So I like this trade for them more than Dallas,

1899
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:51,840
even with the second round pick going out the other stuff.

1900
01:23:52,319 --> 01:23:54,800
I don't know how to reconcile it because you signed

1901
01:23:55,399 --> 01:23:56,159
kJ Martin.

1902
01:23:56,399 --> 01:23:57,960
Speaker 2: That's why played in contracts.

1903
01:23:58,000 --> 01:24:00,880
Speaker 1: You could be buyers at the deadline, and instead ended

1904
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,960
up doing is getting rid of two second round picks

1905
01:24:04,279 --> 01:24:08,159
to duck the luxury tax, which is that's ownership cheaping out.

1906
01:24:08,399 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 2: Let's like, let's call it what it is.

1907
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:11,760
Speaker 1: And you could say, well, given where they're at this season,

1908
01:24:11,840 --> 01:24:14,720
doesn't make sense to check that off the box. That's fine,

1909
01:24:14,800 --> 01:24:18,000
them reacting to this situation. This situation is of their

1910
01:24:18,039 --> 01:24:23,359
own creation, and so I didn't. I don't love what

1911
01:24:23,560 --> 01:24:27,960
And also because they're not you can't tank at this point,

1912
01:24:28,000 --> 01:24:29,560
like we went through the merits of it, we did

1913
01:24:29,560 --> 01:24:32,840
that whole like mini episode bonus clip on it.

1914
01:24:33,279 --> 01:24:35,479
Speaker 2: I don't like. I guess I'm conflicted.

1915
01:24:35,560 --> 01:24:39,399
Speaker 1: I understand it, but I don't support it, except I

1916
01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:42,720
like the other two deals, even though, like getting some

1917
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:44,319
more second rounders in the door when you just had

1918
01:24:44,359 --> 01:24:45,800
to throw two of them out to wash off of

1919
01:24:45,840 --> 01:24:49,079
kJ Martin and you know that twenty twenty six first Yeah, Now,

1920
01:24:49,319 --> 01:24:51,479
I think the biggest downside there is now you can't

1921
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:53,880
trade a twenty twenty six first round pick. Like the

1922
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,159
benefit of having two was it opened up all these

1923
01:24:56,199 --> 01:24:59,279
other possibilities. So I understand two of these moves, and

1924
01:24:59,279 --> 01:25:01,560
then I even underst and the kJ Martin trade. But

1925
01:25:01,640 --> 01:25:04,239
I'm not going to celebrate a team that is still

1926
01:25:04,399 --> 01:25:07,239
playing Joel embiid I get like he came back at.

1927
01:25:07,119 --> 01:25:09,119
Speaker 3: Triple minutes in that game.

1928
01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:11,119
Speaker 2: Dam So don't.

1929
01:25:11,479 --> 01:25:14,079
Speaker 1: I don't know what this I So I asked you

1930
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:15,880
how you feel about what the Sixers did and where

1931
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:18,560
they're going. I have no idea where they're going, and

1932
01:25:18,600 --> 01:25:21,159
I think that's why I have to default to I

1933
01:25:21,199 --> 01:25:22,920
don't loft this trade deadline for them.

1934
01:25:23,319 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 3: I get, like, again, yeah, I'm mildly negative. The kid

1935
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:26,800
you said, what I was going to say about the

1936
01:25:26,840 --> 01:25:28,960
kJ Martin side of it is like that turned quickly

1937
01:25:29,079 --> 01:25:31,840
to where you're paying to get off that now. I mean,

1938
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:34,039
I don't think the Sixers know where they're going because

1939
01:25:34,079 --> 01:25:38,159
they can't because Joel Embiid's health is em maybe like

1940
01:25:38,560 --> 01:25:40,479
you're still just tied to him and no one can

1941
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,920
be sure how much he's going to play or how

1942
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:45,600
long he'll stay healthy, and all the same, it's the

1943
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:52,439
same story. Really, I guess, like trading kJ Martin and

1944
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:55,399
paying seconds to do it was kind of get you

1945
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:57,720
alluded to this kind of like the right decision given

1946
01:25:57,760 --> 01:26:00,680
the circumstances. If you're then you got to get past

1947
01:26:00,720 --> 01:26:02,520
the like, well ownerships should just pay the tax. You

1948
01:26:02,520 --> 01:26:04,279
don't want to be the repeater if you don't have to.

1949
01:26:05,319 --> 01:26:07,760
It's just disappointing, I guess more than anything, because like

1950
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:10,119
that's the exact opposite of what that deal was meant

1951
01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:12,159
to do when they signed him to it.

1952
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I would just be like you thought he

1953
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:15,199
would have played.

1954
01:26:15,239 --> 01:26:16,600
Speaker 1: I guess not played well enough for you to just

1955
01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:19,399
trade him away, But that still took two.

1956
01:26:19,199 --> 01:26:20,279
Speaker 2: Seconds to get off him.

1957
01:26:20,600 --> 01:26:23,159
Speaker 1: I guess. I don't have strong feelings other than if

1958
01:26:23,199 --> 01:26:26,399
you thought Philly's situation was perilous before like this trade deadline.

1959
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:29,720
Didn't like ask wage any concerns at all. I wanted

1960
01:26:29,720 --> 01:26:31,680
to ask you about this because they did do something else,

1961
01:26:31,720 --> 01:26:33,279
but this was a big trade I didn't get a

1962
01:26:33,359 --> 01:26:34,960
chance to talk to you about. I won't go through

1963
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:36,520
the details. You could look it up on screen if

1964
01:26:36,520 --> 01:26:40,079
you want. But the Bucks trading Chris Middleton and AJ

1965
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:43,079
Johnson and a first round pick swap to get back

1966
01:26:43,319 --> 01:26:46,399
Kyle Kuzma. Basically they also end up they send away

1967
01:26:46,399 --> 01:26:48,279
Patrick Balter and Junior to the Spurs, and then they

1968
01:26:48,279 --> 01:26:52,079
made the trade of Marjon Bochamp for Kevin Porter Junior.

1969
01:26:53,079 --> 01:26:56,000
What do you just make of everything that Milwaukee? I

1970
01:26:56,039 --> 01:26:58,840
did notice that it seems like Bucks fans or and

1971
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:01,800
when you trade away a franchies, just like the emotional

1972
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:05,239
component of trading away Chris Middleton is huge.

1973
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 2: Uh, I don't know.

1974
01:27:06,960 --> 01:27:08,880
Speaker 1: I try to talk myself through it where I kind

1975
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:11,399
of understand the theory of Kyle Kuzma, but part of

1976
01:27:11,439 --> 01:27:14,880
my concern, among my many concerns, was there's a big

1977
01:27:14,920 --> 01:27:19,720
downgrade here in playmaking, ball handling, and getting Kevin Porter

1978
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,000
Junior does not make me feel better about that.

1979
01:27:22,359 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 3: No, well, I mean you're forgetting. They also got Jericho

1980
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:26,239
Simms for Jawn, right.

1981
01:27:27,399 --> 01:27:30,199
Speaker 2: Jerico Simms, you want stone Hands, he's your guy.

1982
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:33,520
Speaker 3: He's your guy. I mean, you know, the defense falls

1983
01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:36,319
apart when Brook Lopez doesn't play. Maybe Sims can add

1984
01:27:36,399 --> 01:27:36,840
some energy.

1985
01:27:36,920 --> 01:27:40,159
Speaker 2: I don't know, like's Brook is now expendable this offseason.

1986
01:27:39,720 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 3: Because yeah, Jericho Sims is in. Man, it's time to

1987
01:27:42,119 --> 01:27:46,199
turn the page. I guess my very first thought was

1988
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:48,840
the Bucks must be really sure that Middleton's just never

1989
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:52,960
gonna be a guy that can give them heavy minutes consistently. Uh,

1990
01:27:53,319 --> 01:27:57,760
because Kuzma, to me is a pretty significant downgrade. He's

1991
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:00,720
really had like one passable three point shooting year and

1992
01:28:00,840 --> 01:28:05,520
has been in the low thirties basically all otherwise. I

1993
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:08,800
think you could counter with, like, can we judge anybody

1994
01:28:08,840 --> 01:28:11,159
who's been on Washington for the last several years, Like

1995
01:28:11,279 --> 01:28:15,199
maybe he's closer to Lakers Kuzma, which is good defender,

1996
01:28:15,359 --> 01:28:18,520
role player like that kind of thing, so much cheaper

1997
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:20,560
with the declining structure of that deal, like I get,

1998
01:28:20,840 --> 01:28:22,720
which is to say, I get it from from the

1999
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:26,279
Bucks perspective. If you're sure that Middleton just can't be

2000
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:28,920
the guy that he used to be, not a crazy

2001
01:28:30,279 --> 01:28:33,079
hypothesis given just the injury issues and what he's done

2002
01:28:33,119 --> 01:28:35,319
so far, like per minute, he's a better player than Kuzma.

2003
01:28:35,600 --> 01:28:38,039
Just how many minutes are you getting and for the price?

2004
01:28:38,279 --> 01:28:41,039
So like I understand it from that point. Just disappointing

2005
01:28:41,079 --> 01:28:45,520
that like A J. Johnson, we hardly knew you, like

2006
01:28:45,640 --> 01:28:47,479
he just was in the G league. It was a risk.

2007
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:49,960
Nobody liked that pick to begin with, and now you've

2008
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:52,199
punted on a first You've given up a twenty eight

2009
01:28:52,279 --> 01:28:52,840
swap like.

2010
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,359
Speaker 1: After his career night too, right, did you have a

2011
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:57,479
huge game on the fifth and you move on on

2012
01:28:57,600 --> 01:28:59,439
the sixth or but whatever the fourth then the fit.

2013
01:29:00,079 --> 01:29:02,319
Speaker 3: Sure I even knew A. J. Johnson had like played

2014
01:29:02,319 --> 01:29:04,279
more than five minutes in an NBA game this year,

2015
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:07,800
which is bad because I've been grading rookies all season

2016
01:29:07,880 --> 01:29:09,880
and like tracking their G league stuff.

2017
01:29:11,119 --> 01:29:14,079
Speaker 2: Wouldn't have accounted for the performance happened like two or

2018
01:29:14,119 --> 01:29:14,680
three days ago.

2019
01:29:14,800 --> 01:29:19,600
Speaker 3: Okay, that's why I didn't know, So I guess. I

2020
01:29:19,880 --> 01:29:22,760
guess this is another one where it's like it's just

2021
01:29:22,920 --> 01:29:25,520
eye of the beholder stuff. If you told me that

2022
01:29:25,560 --> 01:29:27,319
Middleton was going to be able to play, then you

2023
01:29:27,399 --> 01:29:30,119
don't do this. But I think the Bucks are in

2024
01:29:30,199 --> 01:29:31,560
a position to know, you know what I mean.

2025
01:29:32,479 --> 01:29:35,199
Speaker 1: I view it as the Bucks have effectively punted on

2026
01:29:35,359 --> 01:29:36,760
contending for a title this season.

2027
01:29:37,000 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 2: Is where I've come around to.

2028
01:29:38,319 --> 01:29:41,279
Speaker 3: I understand Middleton just wasn't going to be reliable, like

2029
01:29:41,399 --> 01:29:44,319
from a night to night, you know, big minutes standpoint.

2030
01:29:45,840 --> 01:29:49,359
Speaker 1: Chris Middleton in modest minutes is more valuable in a

2031
01:29:49,359 --> 01:29:52,560
playoff series than Kyle Kuzma because of the chemistry with Giannis.

2032
01:29:52,600 --> 01:29:55,119
Who's better at getting the ball to Jannis than Chris Middleton.

2033
01:29:55,239 --> 01:29:57,720
Speaker 3: Sure, yeah, I guess it's just like you need more

2034
01:29:57,800 --> 01:30:00,960
than fifteen or twenty minutes every other of that.

2035
01:30:01,640 --> 01:30:03,479
Speaker 1: Okay, but how good does Kyle Kuzma need to be

2036
01:30:03,560 --> 01:30:07,399
in his thirty minutes thirty five minute because it's probably

2037
01:30:07,479 --> 01:30:09,640
a defensive upgrade we've seen Kuzma defend.

2038
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:12,159
Speaker 2: People wrote off like what he like when.

2039
01:30:12,079 --> 01:30:14,079
Speaker 1: He was first in Washington, Like that's kind of where

2040
01:30:14,119 --> 01:30:16,119
a lot of the defensive reputation stuff felt like it

2041
01:30:16,239 --> 01:30:19,039
was changing for him. There's probably a defensive upgrade here,

2042
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:21,680
this is an offensive downgrade. And so unless Chris Middleton's

2043
01:30:21,680 --> 01:30:23,680
ankles are actually cooked. But I looked at it as

2044
01:30:24,199 --> 01:30:26,319
they wanted to figure out how to one get out

2045
01:30:26,319 --> 01:30:28,439
of the second apron without giving up their twenty thirty

2046
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,239
one first or second round picks. And they also wanted

2047
01:30:31,239 --> 01:30:33,279
to plan around next season when they might be able

2048
01:30:33,279 --> 01:30:35,600
to avoid like aprons or even the luxury tax all together,

2049
01:30:35,680 --> 01:30:39,079
depending on what happens with Portis content of player options.

2050
01:30:39,119 --> 01:30:40,359
Speaker 2: Brook Lopez is a free agent.

2051
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:44,239
Speaker 1: I don't know how you look at this team after

2052
01:30:44,359 --> 01:30:46,800
this trade, even even if it's the way that Chris

2053
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:49,239
Middleton has been used and played by the way this season,

2054
01:30:49,319 --> 01:30:53,199
like he's had some incredible off like moments and performances,

2055
01:30:54,479 --> 01:30:56,079
how are they better equipped to win a title?

2056
01:30:57,199 --> 01:30:59,840
Speaker 3: I would just yeah, I don't know, it's a coin flip.

2057
01:30:59,880 --> 01:31:03,199
I suppose it's just you know, you get X from

2058
01:31:03,239 --> 01:31:06,119
Middleton and you get two X from Kuzma, and and

2059
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:10,199
is that production more worthwhile overall, I don't know you're

2060
01:31:10,279 --> 01:31:12,640
you're really I just think I think if you said,

2061
01:31:13,800 --> 01:31:17,439
tell me what you think about this, Middleton probably couldn't

2062
01:31:17,479 --> 01:31:21,000
give you more than he was giving you going forward

2063
01:31:21,039 --> 01:31:23,760
this season, right like, in terms of minutes, in terms

2064
01:31:23,800 --> 01:31:27,920
of availability, dur whatever. I think it's fair to say

2065
01:31:28,039 --> 01:31:31,680
Kuzma can probably give give you more than he was

2066
01:31:31,800 --> 01:31:34,560
giving Washington. I guess the question is just like, is

2067
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:36,840
that enough? Like and and your answer, I guess is

2068
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:39,319
that the a little bit of Middleton is still more

2069
01:31:39,439 --> 01:31:42,800
valuable than more of Kuzma, which is a fair position

2070
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:44,479
to take. I think it's a close trade. But I

2071
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:49,039
understand wanting to get younger, more athletic, get heavier minutes,

2072
01:31:49,079 --> 01:31:52,760
get more two way, I don't know dynamism from from Kuzma.

2073
01:31:53,279 --> 01:31:55,319
That's that's an iffy bet because he might just be

2074
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:58,000
Washington Kuzma, and then in that case you're cooked because

2075
01:31:58,000 --> 01:31:59,840
that guy's not a good player, or even if.

2076
01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:02,520
Speaker 1: He's like okay, like he's a better cutter than we

2077
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:04,199
could see and so we could be a better driver.

2078
01:32:04,319 --> 01:32:06,479
But like as you mentioned, is three point shooting has

2079
01:32:06,520 --> 01:32:09,199
never been awesome. Yeah, and that's kind of what they

2080
01:32:09,239 --> 01:32:11,119
would need out of that spot. I think also maybe

2081
01:32:11,239 --> 01:32:13,800
I'm prisoner of the moment in the sense that when

2082
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:15,800
I first reacted to this trade, I said, part of

2083
01:32:15,840 --> 01:32:19,199
the logic was, okay, sliding Kuzma up to the four,

2084
01:32:19,560 --> 01:32:21,760
and then you play Giannis and Kuzma instead of Yanis

2085
01:32:21,800 --> 01:32:24,319
and Portus in those non Brook Lopez minutes, and now

2086
01:32:24,399 --> 01:32:26,760
Portis becomes more expendable, so of course they're gonna go

2087
01:32:26,840 --> 01:32:30,119
do something they can aggregate salaries. And yet they end

2088
01:32:30,239 --> 01:32:34,680
up with after this trade, Jericho Sims and Kevin Porter Junior.

2089
01:32:35,039 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 2: So I think that.

2090
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:38,840
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm giving them too heavy of a demerit just

2091
01:32:38,840 --> 01:32:41,199
because we're reacting to it like so close from that.

2092
01:32:41,319 --> 01:32:45,439
But that was part of my Middleton Kuzma calculus, and

2093
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:47,560
it felt like I was grasping its straws there, and

2094
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:49,800
the fact that they let go of them entirely is

2095
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:52,760
why I'm inclined to think this wasn't about this year.

2096
01:32:52,920 --> 01:32:56,439
It felt like it was more about bookkeeping for the future.

2097
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:59,920
And Yannis apparently approved to the Kuzma acquisition. I'm curious

2098
01:32:59,920 --> 01:33:02,199
to know if he knew that Midlton was going out

2099
01:33:02,279 --> 01:33:04,800
as part of it. His job to understand the salary gat.

2100
01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:06,520
Speaker 3: He just told him the first part. They just said

2101
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:08,199
who they might get and he's like who to do it.

2102
01:33:08,399 --> 01:33:10,600
Speaker 1: And he's like, oh, Bobby Poris and Pat Connaton gone,

2103
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:14,319
Kyle Kuzma in done. So I don't love it. I

2104
01:33:14,399 --> 01:33:16,880
think you can still to your point though, justify it.

2105
01:33:17,399 --> 01:33:19,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's right down the middle, because I think, like

2106
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:23,479
last thing, there's a real based on past precedent, there's

2107
01:33:23,520 --> 01:33:25,600
a pretty decent chance that the Bucks would have got

2108
01:33:25,720 --> 01:33:29,920
exactly zero from Middleton in the playoffs, and Kuzma just

2109
01:33:30,079 --> 01:33:32,680
the health record says you might get something, and maybe

2110
01:33:32,760 --> 01:33:35,840
that argument. I think that doesn't That makes your argument

2111
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:42,079
still right because the Middleton I guess ceiling is higher

2112
01:33:42,279 --> 01:33:44,960
because maybe he could play a lot and like therefore

2113
01:33:45,039 --> 01:33:48,079
their title ODGSER should be better this year. I don't know.

2114
01:33:48,359 --> 01:33:50,720
This is a tough trade. I get it from both sides, honestly.

2115
01:33:51,119 --> 01:33:53,159
Speaker 1: So let's get into some of the teams. They did

2116
01:33:53,279 --> 01:33:55,359
things like Utah Jazz Fans, rust Ashore. We will get

2117
01:33:55,399 --> 01:33:56,920
to them, but let's start talking about teams that either

2118
01:33:57,279 --> 01:33:59,319
did smaller things, didn't do as big as we thought,

2119
01:33:59,359 --> 01:34:02,920
didn't do anything. We'll begin with the Brooklyn Nets, Grant.

2120
01:34:03,039 --> 01:34:05,880
I think the notable thing here is not that they

2121
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:08,279
didn't do something, they didn't do something else. It's that

2122
01:34:08,359 --> 01:34:10,720
Cam Johnson is still on the Brooklyn Net. I mean,

2123
01:34:10,880 --> 01:34:12,680
maybe even some people say, wow, Cam Thomas is still

2124
01:34:12,680 --> 01:34:14,800
in the Brooklyn Nets ahead a restricted free agency. What

2125
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:16,560
did you sort of make of that decision? And sort

2126
01:34:16,600 --> 01:34:18,760
of they did their business early and then set out

2127
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:19,359
in the deadline.

2128
01:34:19,560 --> 01:34:22,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, of the teams that were inactive, and there were

2129
01:34:22,279 --> 01:34:24,920
only a handful, I think Brooklyn's the one I sort

2130
01:34:24,960 --> 01:34:26,479
of get the most or I think it's the most

2131
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:29,439
excusable one because they actually did make a couple of

2132
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:31,880
pre deadline trades and piled up some seconds for Schreuder

2133
01:34:32,159 --> 01:34:35,000
and Finney Smith, and I think I don't know. We

2134
01:34:35,039 --> 01:34:36,760
talked about this a little bit leading up. It's like,

2135
01:34:37,520 --> 01:34:39,960
if there aren't if the package for Cam isn't there

2136
01:34:40,079 --> 01:34:42,640
that you like, there's no reason to just jump at

2137
01:34:42,680 --> 01:34:45,640
the best offer now because he's going to retain some value.

2138
01:34:46,680 --> 01:34:49,600
You've got your twenty five and twenty six first. You

2139
01:34:49,640 --> 01:34:51,800
have control of those now, so you can next year

2140
01:34:51,880 --> 01:34:53,279
it's going to be kind of more of the same

2141
01:34:53,439 --> 01:34:56,119
for you. Maybe you get your two firsts or a

2142
01:34:56,199 --> 01:34:58,520
good first and something else over the offseason or at

2143
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:01,119
the next deadline or whatever. The risk is that Johnson

2144
01:35:01,159 --> 01:35:04,279
falls off because he's playing great. But I think it's

2145
01:35:04,520 --> 01:35:08,359
the most excusable to me that they didn't do anything.

2146
01:35:09,079 --> 01:35:09,720
Do you agree with that?

2147
01:35:10,159 --> 01:35:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't.

2148
01:35:11,039 --> 01:35:12,439
Speaker 1: Like you said, they got their business out of the

2149
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:15,760
way early. I will say they still kind of just

2150
01:35:15,840 --> 01:35:17,880
have these games where it's like, oh, they beat the Rockets,

2151
01:35:18,079 --> 01:35:20,000
like so where you kind of they could shut down

2152
01:35:20,039 --> 01:35:21,159
players they didn't need to move them.

2153
01:35:21,239 --> 01:35:23,880
Speaker 2: So I'm with you on that front. For Brooklyn. Next

2154
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:27,479
team who Chicago. They got rid of Zach Lavine.

2155
01:35:27,560 --> 01:35:29,680
Speaker 1: They signed Lonzo Ball to an extension which he was

2156
01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:33,079
still trade eligible afterwards, two years, twenty million dollars, but

2157
01:35:33,159 --> 01:35:36,760
they kept him, kept Vouch, kept Kobe White, kept Bio Tosumu.

2158
01:35:37,239 --> 01:35:42,119
And then did you see the ak quote coming out afterwards.

2159
01:35:41,800 --> 01:35:44,079
Speaker 3: Just sort of like we're gonna basically saying like we're

2160
01:35:44,119 --> 01:35:45,640
going to take a look at this and figure it

2161
01:35:45,680 --> 01:35:48,199
out over time. It's going to be an evaluation process

2162
01:35:48,359 --> 01:35:49,479
more or less, right he.

2163
01:35:49,800 --> 01:35:52,079
Speaker 1: Said, I know fans want a specific plan, and we

2164
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:54,720
are charting that path right now. We are not done yet.

2165
01:35:54,800 --> 01:35:57,119
We are in a transitional phase. This will take some

2166
01:35:57,199 --> 01:36:00,439
time to unfold. It was we have the concepts, a plan.

2167
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:03,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, how would you describe the last several years as

2168
01:36:03,800 --> 01:36:05,119
distinct from what you just said?

2169
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:06,079
Speaker 2: Not right?

2170
01:36:06,640 --> 01:36:09,840
Speaker 1: So, I mean Monus Brizellez is having some some moments.

2171
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:11,960
Speaker 2: So there's that for them. But are you do you

2172
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:14,079
think they did enough to like kind of okay?

2173
01:36:14,079 --> 01:36:15,880
Speaker 1: At least they're thinking big picture here with that zach

2174
01:36:15,920 --> 01:36:17,199
Lavine trade or should they have been?

2175
01:36:17,399 --> 01:36:18,920
Speaker 2: They've made an effort to do more.

2176
01:36:19,199 --> 01:36:22,760
Speaker 3: So would you agree that the getting their own first back,

2177
01:36:22,840 --> 01:36:26,920
which had top ten protection from the Spurs seemed like

2178
01:36:27,560 --> 01:36:34,000
the type of precursor to let's tank hard did? Maybe?

2179
01:36:34,279 --> 01:36:36,039
Because the thing is if they tanked hard, they were

2180
01:36:36,079 --> 01:36:37,640
going to get that pick anyway, right right.

2181
01:36:38,239 --> 01:36:40,399
Speaker 1: I've even azed we can compete for the play in

2182
01:36:40,479 --> 01:36:42,640
and still get that pick if we heow come out

2183
01:36:42,640 --> 01:36:43,119
of the play.

2184
01:36:43,399 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 3: That's the problem. That's the problem is that like it's

2185
01:36:46,880 --> 01:36:50,439
the same thing they Why is Vouch still here? I

2186
01:36:50,479 --> 01:36:53,880
don't like, why is Kobe White still here? I don't know.

2187
01:36:54,079 --> 01:36:56,560
I don't have anything new to say about the Bulls

2188
01:36:56,680 --> 01:37:00,399
because the Levigne trade made me think maybe that like

2189
01:37:00,560 --> 01:37:03,239
they were gonna do what we've been asking to do,

2190
01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:05,880
and they didn't, And so now I just I don't know.

2191
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:07,319
I don't know how you feel good about this if

2192
01:37:07,319 --> 01:37:10,159
you're a Bulls fan, especially like I just why are

2193
01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:12,560
so many of these guys still here? I don't get it.

2194
01:37:13,239 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 2: There's and just that Zack Lavine trade quickly.

2195
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 1: The real value might have been, well, if you thought

2196
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:20,880
the pick wasn't gonna convey this year, you were worried

2197
01:37:20,920 --> 01:37:23,640
about the top eight protection in the subsequent two years,

2198
01:37:24,319 --> 01:37:26,760
But that's protection where it's no like you can and

2199
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:29,359
should be bad enough that that pick never convey bays

2200
01:37:29,680 --> 01:37:32,439
And while it encumbers you with trades that you could make,

2201
01:37:33,159 --> 01:37:35,600
guess what, the Bulls should not be trading their own

2202
01:37:35,640 --> 01:37:36,760
first round pick anyway in.

2203
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 3: The first place, under any circumstances.

2204
01:37:39,239 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 1: Next up here the Dallas Mavericks. They just I just

2205
01:37:44,039 --> 01:37:45,680
wonder if you had any additional thoughts. Now that the

2206
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:47,880
trade does is settled, they get Kaylen Martin, they trade

2207
01:37:47,960 --> 01:37:50,560
Quentin Grimes. Are you surprised all that Derek Lively is

2208
01:37:50,600 --> 01:37:53,279
still on the team because they don't like paying guys

2209
01:37:53,560 --> 01:37:55,760
like before they were already paid. I don't I don't

2210
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:58,560
understand what the philosophy is in Dallas, but I am.

2211
01:37:58,840 --> 01:37:59,920
Speaker 2: I'm thoroughly confused.

2212
01:38:00,279 --> 01:38:02,279
Speaker 3: It's still an F minus for me, Dan, I don't

2213
01:38:02,319 --> 01:38:04,359
know what they It's like the reverse of the Lakers.

2214
01:38:04,760 --> 01:38:06,600
They were keeping an A plus. No matter what, it's

2215
01:38:06,680 --> 01:38:07,800
an F minus for Dallas.

2216
01:38:08,319 --> 01:38:10,880
Speaker 2: Uh, here's to PJ. Washington playing some three right. I

2217
01:38:11,119 --> 01:38:12,800
didn't even go. I thought they might get like another

2218
01:38:12,920 --> 01:38:17,039
ball handler. Didn't do that. So, uh, still disappointing.

2219
01:38:17,079 --> 01:38:18,319
Speaker 1: Just want to see if you had anything to add

2220
01:38:18,439 --> 01:38:21,239
there onto a team that did absolutely nothing.

2221
01:38:22,119 --> 01:38:23,000
Speaker 2: The Denver Nuggets.

2222
01:38:24,199 --> 01:38:28,640
Speaker 3: I mean, so they couldn't trade Murray, they couldn't trade Gordon.

2223
01:38:28,720 --> 01:38:32,600
They shouldn't, but they also couldn't because the extensions there

2224
01:38:32,680 --> 01:38:35,560
must not have been anything for MPG and nobody wanted

2225
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:36,119
Zeke Nagy.

2226
01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:39,279
Speaker 2: It's kind of like you currently either he's still just

2227
01:38:39,359 --> 01:38:40,279
in Denver. That's weird.

2228
01:38:40,520 --> 01:38:44,520
Speaker 3: Dario Sarch like, I I don't. I guess like I'm

2229
01:38:44,560 --> 01:38:47,840
mildly negative because it's disappointing because they're you know, they

2230
01:38:47,840 --> 01:38:49,920
should be trying to add, but you just have to

2231
01:38:49,960 --> 01:38:52,119
acknowledge like they didn't have a good way to do that.

2232
01:38:52,359 --> 01:38:56,399
I don't think so. I don't feel that negative about it,

2233
01:38:57,600 --> 01:38:59,720
but I can understand Nuggets fans are disappointed. I just

2234
01:38:59,720 --> 01:39:01,720
don't know what you realistically would have wanted them to do.

2235
01:39:02,399 --> 01:39:05,439
Speaker 1: Well, Grace from what's in the game NBA podcast tweeted out,

2236
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:08,479
the main selling point to the fans, not the ownership

2237
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:12,560
of letting KCP walk, was quote flexibility, and that was

2238
01:39:12,640 --> 01:39:15,439
always a farce. But now that is obvious because they

2239
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:17,479
did nothing in the trade headline. What was the point

2240
01:39:18,039 --> 01:39:21,239
of this flexibility for you to sit here and then

2241
01:39:21,319 --> 01:39:22,920
do nothing when it came to improving the team.

2242
01:39:24,039 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 3: I mean, the truth is you didn't get any flexibility

2243
01:39:26,760 --> 01:39:27,920
like one.

2244
01:39:27,840 --> 01:39:29,560
Speaker 2: So you should have just kept telling you were a

2245
01:39:29,720 --> 01:39:30,600
contracts grant.

2246
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:35,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is another one where it's just the precursor move.

2247
01:39:36,640 --> 01:39:40,600
It was part of the mistake, but like, yeah, you

2248
01:39:40,640 --> 01:39:43,079
should you should just have KCP on this team since

2249
01:39:43,079 --> 01:39:45,359
you weren't gonna do anything anyway. At fair point, I

2250
01:39:45,399 --> 01:39:45,920
think that's right.

2251
01:39:46,119 --> 01:39:48,279
Speaker 2: Peyton Watson injury too, right, Maybe that hurts.

2252
01:39:48,520 --> 01:39:51,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe I didn't expect them to do anything. I'm

2253
01:39:51,159 --> 01:39:53,159
not super mad about it, but I did. I thought

2254
01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:56,159
it was good by Grace to reinforce that the front

2255
01:39:56,199 --> 01:39:58,720
office and ownership were usually spinning and lying a lot

2256
01:39:58,760 --> 01:40:02,680
of the same. Next team up, the Houston Rockets facilitated

2257
01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:04,880
a bunch of stuff to get seconds back. They took

2258
01:40:04,920 --> 01:40:08,920
on Cody Zeller Jayden Springer, so they got picked.

2259
01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:09,479
Speaker 2: That was nice.

2260
01:40:09,479 --> 01:40:11,880
Speaker 1: But Brad van Fleet, this is week to week, not

2261
01:40:12,000 --> 01:40:13,479
even whatever whatever.

2262
01:40:13,560 --> 01:40:14,960
Speaker 2: That's like John Morant territory.

2263
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:15,520
Speaker 3: He's don't like it.

2264
01:40:15,800 --> 01:40:18,000
Speaker 2: It's injured, he's weak to week. The fact that van

2265
01:40:18,079 --> 01:40:20,880
Fleet is week to week has me concerned. Were you

2266
01:40:21,039 --> 01:40:22,479
okay with them doing nothing?

2267
01:40:22,479 --> 01:40:23,600
Speaker 1: Do you think they should have been a little bit

2268
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:25,560
more aggressive to get either another ball handler or some

2269
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:26,399
shooting in there.

2270
01:40:26,840 --> 01:40:30,520
Speaker 3: I think they they effectively robbed us of any expectation

2271
01:40:30,600 --> 01:40:32,640
that they were gonna do anything by telling us over

2272
01:40:32,720 --> 01:40:34,520
and over again that they were not gonna do anything.

2273
01:40:34,640 --> 01:40:38,640
So I went into the deadline with that sort of baseline.

2274
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:42,439
So I think they waved Springer because they needed the

2275
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:45,359
roster spot to take on Zeller and get this get

2276
01:40:45,399 --> 01:40:49,039
another second. I was kind of excited, like, who needs

2277
01:40:49,159 --> 01:40:53,199
you know, athletic young defenders less than the Rockets do.

2278
01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:55,680
But I like, oh yeah, Springer, let's go, he's gonna

2279
01:40:56,079 --> 01:40:58,560
I like Jayden Springer, I think that's like an end

2280
01:40:58,600 --> 01:41:00,880
of bench. That's a fun acquisition. And they waived him

2281
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:04,399
because they needed the roster spot. So f F F

2282
01:41:04,520 --> 01:41:06,359
minus triple minus because they I did.

2283
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:10,279
Speaker 2: I know you were psychotic. I'm just not coming into

2284
01:41:10,359 --> 01:41:13,640
this expecting you trust. I was kind of excited about

2285
01:41:14,760 --> 01:41:16,079
you didn't out disappointed.

2286
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:18,479
Speaker 3: I think kind of excited is exactly how one should

2287
01:41:18,520 --> 01:41:21,720
feel about Jaden Springer just at all times. I'm sorry

2288
01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:24,600
you disagree. No, they didn't do anything, like they got

2289
01:41:24,640 --> 01:41:27,960
a couple seconds for kind of just taking on guys

2290
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:32,359
players that teams needed to offload to duck attacks. So fine,

2291
01:41:32,359 --> 01:41:34,840
if you're not going to do anything crazy, I'm with you.

2292
01:41:34,920 --> 01:41:36,159
Speaker 2: I don't think they needed to do anything.

2293
01:41:36,199 --> 01:41:38,640
Speaker 1: If they could have gotten a shooter where it was like,

2294
01:41:38,720 --> 01:41:41,359
oh do you trade Jay Shawn Taate stack him onto

2295
01:41:41,359 --> 01:41:44,640
another expiring contract, it doesn't seem based off who was traded,

2296
01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:46,560
It doesn't seem like there was really anybody.

2297
01:41:46,279 --> 01:41:47,520
Speaker 2: Like that out there.

2298
01:41:47,960 --> 01:41:51,239
Speaker 1: And it's a delicate balance between acknowledging that NBA windows

2299
01:41:51,239 --> 01:41:54,279
are so fleeting now versus you also don't Because they're

2300
01:41:54,279 --> 01:41:56,680
so fleeting, you don't want to pounce and try and

2301
01:41:56,720 --> 01:41:59,720
accelerate your position at the wrong time. They're top three

2302
01:41:59,760 --> 01:42:02,199
in the West. We've seen some pullback in light of

2303
01:42:02,239 --> 01:42:05,239
the injuries that they've been dealing with. They'll presumably get healthier.

2304
01:42:05,319 --> 01:42:08,000
I'm okay with them having done Yep, they're gonna have

2305
01:42:08,039 --> 01:42:09,479
Devin Booker by this time next year.

2306
01:42:09,399 --> 01:42:10,560
Speaker 3: Probably anyway, so easy.

2307
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:13,680
Speaker 1: The Deanana Pacers, they traded James Wiseman, so they get

2308
01:42:13,720 --> 01:42:14,560
a f right.

2309
01:42:15,760 --> 01:42:19,359
Speaker 3: He's still gonna become David Robinson. Dan I believe it. Yeah, no,

2310
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:23,760
just so, Toronto says I love. I think I couldn't

2311
01:42:23,760 --> 01:42:25,479
get the exact details. I don't even know the year,

2312
01:42:25,800 --> 01:42:28,119
but the top fifty five protection on the second round

2313
01:42:28,159 --> 01:42:30,199
are coming from Toronto. Those are always my favorite picks

2314
01:42:30,239 --> 01:42:32,119
that get conveyed. Why not top fifty nine?

2315
01:42:33,159 --> 01:42:33,279
Speaker 2: Can?

2316
01:42:33,399 --> 01:42:35,640
Speaker 1: I think there has to be like a minimum or

2317
01:42:35,760 --> 01:42:38,760
like you can't because otherwise that's like super fake.

2318
01:42:39,720 --> 01:42:40,840
Speaker 3: It's all yeah, okay, So.

2319
01:42:40,920 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 1: Those I would be I would incentivize teams for this

2320
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:47,279
and be like, we'll make it top fifty four protected.

2321
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:49,319
Speaker 3: Not even I feel like here's what you should do.

2322
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:53,399
You should protect it in fifty nine of the sixty

2323
01:42:53,479 --> 01:42:57,119
possible spots, except you don't. Nobody knows what the one

2324
01:42:57,239 --> 01:43:01,479
unprotected spot is, so it could be one, could be twelve,

2325
01:43:02,199 --> 01:43:03,039
could be fifty eight.

2326
01:43:03,119 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 2: What did they call that? Just like the just it's

2327
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:06,920
like the dice box.

2328
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,159
Speaker 3: It's the roulette protection where it's just you spin the

2329
01:43:10,199 --> 01:43:12,760
wheel and you don't know where the protection falls. I

2330
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:15,039
think we should institute that which these.

2331
01:43:14,920 --> 01:43:17,159
Speaker 1: Chicago bulls would totally make a trade like that and

2332
01:43:17,319 --> 01:43:18,800
view it is about incoming value.

2333
01:43:19,079 --> 01:43:21,680
Speaker 3: If that was to live on the edge a little bit, Yeah.

2334
01:43:22,199 --> 01:43:24,079
Speaker 2: Were you I wasn't surprised they didn't do anything.

2335
01:43:24,159 --> 01:43:25,840
Speaker 1: You might have liked to have seen them gone a

2336
01:43:25,880 --> 01:43:27,920
little bit more aggressively after some wing upgrades, But the

2337
01:43:28,039 --> 01:43:30,560
name they were linked to the most never made any

2338
01:43:30,680 --> 01:43:33,159
sense for that, Like Cam Johnson's a good fit, Yeah,

2339
01:43:33,159 --> 01:43:35,720
I don't think he's necessarily what they needed. And they

2340
01:43:35,960 --> 01:43:37,680
were just in a weird spot because you couldn't trade

2341
01:43:37,680 --> 01:43:41,000
a first earlier than twenty twenty eight. And what's going

2342
01:43:41,039 --> 01:43:42,960
on with Garis Walker and Bredec Math and how highly

2343
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:43,720
do you value them?

2344
01:43:44,079 --> 01:43:44,840
Speaker 2: They may have.

2345
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:47,439
Speaker 1: Been look and they have nem hard and Aarony Smith

2346
01:43:47,800 --> 01:43:51,119
is back. They may have been an interesting DeAndre Hunter team.

2347
01:43:51,159 --> 01:43:53,399
When you kind of look back at the cost that unfolded.

2348
01:43:53,439 --> 01:43:55,600
But they didn't have I mean, the Hawks didn't save

2349
01:43:55,640 --> 01:43:56,720
money as part of that. The ither was I'll say

2350
01:43:56,720 --> 01:43:58,399
they didn't the wiggle room beneath the tax to saving

2351
01:43:58,439 --> 01:44:00,199
lant of money, but neither did them.

2352
01:44:00,199 --> 01:44:01,880
Speaker 2: The Hawks're actually in the attacks for a second at

2353
01:44:01,920 --> 01:44:02,640
the end of that trade.

2354
01:44:02,880 --> 01:44:06,319
Speaker 3: So I did enjoy I enjoyed Miles Turner tweeting the

2355
01:44:06,680 --> 01:44:09,840
Survivor logo just with the like the sweating emoji.

2356
01:44:10,439 --> 01:44:10,800
Speaker 2: That was.

2357
01:44:11,159 --> 01:44:14,279
Speaker 1: Didn't you find people continuously mentioning him weird because this

2358
01:44:14,439 --> 01:44:16,439
was the first time he was in the trade rumor

2359
01:44:16,479 --> 01:44:20,560
mill without there being like any sort of veritable backing

2360
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:20,920
to it.

2361
01:44:21,319 --> 01:44:23,119
Speaker 2: Well, just because he was going to be a free agent.

2362
01:44:23,159 --> 01:44:25,640
Speaker 1: It was there were all these trades where they didn't

2363
01:44:25,640 --> 01:44:27,359
even get a center back and it was just like,

2364
01:44:27,560 --> 01:44:29,680
all right, so Siakam is your five and let's I

2365
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:33,359
just I did not understand this was not the deadline

2366
01:44:33,399 --> 01:44:35,000
for him to tweet that, because I think that this

2367
01:44:35,159 --> 01:44:38,199
is probably the least like, maybe the second most least

2368
01:44:38,319 --> 01:44:40,680
likely deadline he's ever been to be traded.

2369
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:42,039
Speaker 3: With that, but there have been a lot, which I

2370
01:44:42,079 --> 01:44:44,640
think is the point. He's just like that guy's got

2371
01:44:44,760 --> 01:44:47,439
a hate when February rolls around. When he flips the calendar,

2372
01:44:47,520 --> 01:44:48,439
he just starts the sweat.

2373
01:44:49,000 --> 01:44:51,880
Speaker 1: Well, did you see Keith Smith tweeted this from uh,

2374
01:44:52,079 --> 01:44:53,479
I have to get the pronunciation right.

2375
01:44:53,840 --> 01:44:54,479
Speaker 2: Spo track.

2376
01:44:55,720 --> 01:44:57,840
Speaker 3: I think it's spa track, but I want to call

2377
01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:58,640
it spo track.

2378
01:44:59,039 --> 01:44:59,319
Speaker 2: Okay.

2379
01:44:59,399 --> 01:45:02,239
Speaker 1: Well, Keith Smith tweeted once that he was in an

2380
01:45:02,319 --> 01:45:05,720
NBA locker room and it was around the trade deadline

2381
01:45:05,880 --> 01:45:08,800
and a player said with a huge following, said hey,

2382
01:45:08,920 --> 01:45:12,600
watch this and tweeted something cryptic, and then the entire

2383
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:15,720
team was like laughing at all the absurd responses and

2384
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:17,399
inferences that came in.

2385
01:45:18,319 --> 01:45:19,880
Speaker 2: That's that's fucking cool.

2386
01:45:20,079 --> 01:45:23,000
Speaker 1: Like I like ida Miles Turner being with the pass, Like, yo, guys,

2387
01:45:23,039 --> 01:45:25,000
watch me do this. We're gonna see everyone reacts to it.

2388
01:45:25,079 --> 01:45:25,479
Speaker 2: I love it.

2389
01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:25,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2390
01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:28,359
Speaker 1: A team that we're gonna talk about next is the

2391
01:45:28,560 --> 01:45:32,239
Minnesota Timberwolves who did nothing but grant.

2392
01:45:32,279 --> 01:45:33,840
Speaker 2: Did you see that?

2393
01:45:34,079 --> 01:45:36,079
Speaker 1: Chris Haynes reported they tried to get in on the

2394
01:45:36,159 --> 01:45:37,399
Kevin Durant sweepstakes.

2395
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:40,600
Speaker 3: You love to see that they tried. Reports coming out

2396
01:45:41,119 --> 01:45:45,399
it's you know, uh what close only counts in horseshoes

2397
01:45:45,439 --> 01:45:46,079
and hand grenades.

2398
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:49,239
Speaker 1: So I also think part of that attempt like rewriting

2399
01:45:49,359 --> 01:45:53,079
the rules of the collective bargaining agreement because they don't

2400
01:45:53,159 --> 01:45:55,640
have anyone. They can only do one for one, they

2401
01:45:55,680 --> 01:45:58,680
can only trade, they can't aggregate salaries. Nobody on this

2402
01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:00,800
team makes as much as to rast.

2403
01:46:00,680 --> 01:46:05,600
Speaker 3: So does try and constitute them calling the Suns and

2404
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:08,159
then Son saying like even we know you're not allowed

2405
01:46:08,199 --> 01:46:10,359
to do this, and then the calls over or.

2406
01:46:10,439 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 1: Is it how far into the second apron are they?

2407
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:14,600
So they would have had a cut, Like aren't they

2408
01:46:14,680 --> 01:46:17,319
like sixteen million or something into the second apron?

2409
01:46:17,520 --> 01:46:20,439
Speaker 2: And so you would have need to cut how much salary?

2410
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:22,079
It's part of a camera dant trade.

2411
01:46:22,279 --> 01:46:26,119
Speaker 3: Say, I'm just glad and that they didn't make another

2412
01:46:26,600 --> 01:46:30,479
like clearly financially motivated cost cutting move that hurt the

2413
01:46:30,560 --> 01:46:34,359
product on the floor because the cat trade just was that,

2414
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:38,079
and I was concerned that, like we're just gonna see more.

2415
01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:41,880
It also means like nobody wanted Randall because I hope

2416
01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:43,600
they tried to trade. I mean, him getting hurt at

2417
01:46:43,680 --> 01:46:46,119
like right before the deadline didn't help, but like they

2418
01:46:46,199 --> 01:46:48,199
must have tried to move him, And it's just there's

2419
01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:49,079
no market at all.

2420
01:46:49,800 --> 01:46:52,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm assuming he did try to move him.

2421
01:46:52,119 --> 01:46:53,720
Speaker 1: I just don't to what end at that point that

2422
01:46:53,800 --> 01:46:56,800
would have been Looking at the Karl Anthony town town's

2423
01:46:56,840 --> 01:46:59,159
trade tree after that move would have been fascinating.

2424
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:02,159
Speaker 3: You just see like just black in the Ledger. And

2425
01:47:02,239 --> 01:47:03,960
that's I think all that Minnesota cares about it.

2426
01:47:04,039 --> 01:47:06,279
Speaker 1: This is they still have the potential to do something

2427
01:47:06,359 --> 01:47:09,800
stupid though, like on the draft, always so like to

2428
01:47:09,840 --> 01:47:11,319
try and cut into that tax bill. So it's not

2429
01:47:11,399 --> 01:47:14,119
over yet Wolves fans. It'll be be fascinating to see

2430
01:47:14,159 --> 01:47:16,600
where they go from here. Next up, Grant, please give

2431
01:47:16,680 --> 01:47:21,000
me your thoughts on your New York Knicks. Who made

2432
01:47:21,039 --> 01:47:23,880
a big trade, Yeah, Jericho Simms for Delann Wright. Which

2433
01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:27,399
could I actually say one thing I saw people James

2434
01:47:27,479 --> 01:47:29,159
Edwards of the athletic point of this out saying people

2435
01:47:29,159 --> 01:47:30,720
were trying to like look at the reasoning of it.

2436
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:34,119
Where Okay, maybe Tom Tabodau trust delawonn Right more than

2437
01:47:34,199 --> 01:47:37,399
Jericho Simms. Duh, but you have Jalen Brunt inducement broad campaign.

2438
01:47:37,439 --> 01:47:40,279
Delon Wright really shouldn't be seeing the floor unless you

2439
01:47:40,359 --> 01:47:43,760
view him as a reserve wing. James Edwards said, the

2440
01:47:43,840 --> 01:47:46,119
Knicks like to trade their guys that they're not playing

2441
01:47:46,159 --> 01:47:47,560
in the hopes that maybe they could find a home

2442
01:47:47,640 --> 01:47:48,239
or get paid out.

2443
01:47:48,720 --> 01:47:49,880
Speaker 2: So I flamed that mine.

2444
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:54,359
Speaker 3: That's nice. Yeah, I guess I I'd just say that,

2445
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:57,039
I guess Mitchell Robinson is gonna help uh and or

2446
01:47:57,279 --> 01:47:59,840
nobody was willing to give up anything helpful for him,

2447
01:48:00,680 --> 01:48:02,600
so thin because he was the guy that I just

2448
01:48:02,680 --> 01:48:04,520
kept coming back to, is like, well, that's the only

2449
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:06,760
way for the Knicks to do anything, and he's still here,

2450
01:48:07,039 --> 01:48:08,279
So there you go.

2451
01:48:08,399 --> 01:48:12,039
Speaker 1: I think the fact that we've seen them play out

2452
01:48:12,079 --> 01:48:13,840
of necessity a lot of times, like hug Porty and

2453
01:48:13,880 --> 01:48:15,800
Towns together, shows that, okay, they're going to give the

2454
01:48:15,880 --> 01:48:18,960
Robinson Towns yeah stuff shot. But then the problem there

2455
01:48:19,039 --> 01:48:21,479
is you cut into hug Porty's minutes and that's your

2456
01:48:21,520 --> 01:48:23,199
primary building block moving forward.

2457
01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:25,000
Speaker 2: So I don't really know what to do with that.

2458
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:29,039
Speaker 1: I do think this was probably the right decision because

2459
01:48:29,079 --> 01:48:31,720
Mitchell's value, Mitchell Robinson's value has never been lower, and

2460
01:48:32,319 --> 01:48:34,119
the best way for him to become useful to you

2461
01:48:34,239 --> 01:48:36,600
is to come back healthy and say and see like,

2462
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:38,560
oh it works with him in Towns and we're better

2463
01:48:38,640 --> 01:48:40,479
for it, We're not going to move him or comes

2464
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:42,279
back plays, well, you have the opportunity to make an

2465
01:48:42,359 --> 01:48:44,319
upgrade in his trade value is higher in the off season.

2466
01:48:44,560 --> 01:48:47,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's more valuable to them than anybody else. So

2467
01:48:47,199 --> 01:48:48,439
you just don't trade that type of guy.

2468
01:48:48,920 --> 01:48:51,560
Speaker 1: I really hope this next on screen slide is to

2469
01:48:51,680 --> 01:48:53,399
your liking for the Oklahoma City Thunker.

2470
01:48:53,479 --> 01:48:55,520
Speaker 2: Who Look, they made some moves. They got it.

2471
01:48:55,600 --> 01:48:59,079
Speaker 1: Like the big move was trading the Phoenix twenty twenty

2472
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:03,640
nine second for Denver's twenty thirty second. That's that's like

2473
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:05,560
course altering shit here.

2474
01:49:06,840 --> 01:49:10,079
Speaker 3: Like why why I see you have it up here?

2475
01:49:10,119 --> 01:49:12,600
It's the school. They already had six in twenty twenty nine,

2476
01:49:12,680 --> 01:49:15,000
so they wanted to like trim that number and take

2477
01:49:15,039 --> 01:49:17,439
a twenty thirty. Like I just there's no I don't

2478
01:49:17,520 --> 01:49:20,039
understand any other reasoning for it, because you can't.

2479
01:49:20,319 --> 01:49:22,199
Speaker 2: The reasoning is what you just said.

2480
01:49:22,239 --> 01:49:25,000
Speaker 1: Plus you can't yet trade for twenty thirty two second

2481
01:49:25,039 --> 01:49:26,800
round picks, but rest a short Once you can, the

2482
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:28,359
thunder will probably go out and get them.

2483
01:49:28,800 --> 01:49:29,760
Speaker 3: Yep, that's about right.

2484
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:32,960
Speaker 1: Do you feel that they should have tried to do something,

2485
01:49:33,039 --> 01:49:35,800
whether it was add we add nauseum here, Oh do

2486
01:49:35,880 --> 01:49:38,680
they need kind of another ball handling score type or

2487
01:49:38,720 --> 01:49:41,880
even just a higher volume shooter maybe with some size,

2488
01:49:42,159 --> 01:49:43,199
perhaps Cam Johnson.

2489
01:49:43,479 --> 01:49:46,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean it's you see Cleveland do something. So

2490
01:49:46,279 --> 01:49:48,439
the argument that well, if you're running away with the conference,

2491
01:49:48,479 --> 01:49:50,439
you don't need to do anything kind of falls apart

2492
01:49:50,600 --> 01:49:53,159
because the Thunder could have and had more ass. That's

2493
01:49:53,319 --> 01:49:56,119
certainly than the Cavs did. I think the fact that

2494
01:49:56,199 --> 01:49:58,720
ched Holmgren the report came out today is he's basically

2495
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:01,720
he's ready to go now. I think that mitigates a

2496
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:02,319
little bit of it.

2497
01:50:02,520 --> 01:50:03,520
Speaker 2: So that was on purpose.

2498
01:50:03,600 --> 01:50:05,319
Speaker 1: This was always the party was like, oh, look our

2499
01:50:05,359 --> 01:50:07,720
trade deadline acquisition is a healthy ch at home grin.

2500
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,319
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that, but I thought it was

2501
01:50:10,399 --> 01:50:12,920
too cynical, and then you said it, so it must

2502
01:50:13,039 --> 01:50:14,479
it must be appropriately cynical.

2503
01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:17,039
Speaker 1: A team that I don't think could have or should

2504
01:50:17,079 --> 01:50:19,319
get a pass or doing nothing though, is the Orlando Magic?

2505
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:22,960
Speaker 2: Nope? How do you feel about them? Most?

2506
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:26,079
Speaker 3: I checked again, still on pace to have the lowest

2507
01:50:26,119 --> 01:50:28,600
three point percentage by any team in at least a decade,

2508
01:50:30,279 --> 01:50:34,039
So like, what's the argument for their inaction? Is it

2509
01:50:34,279 --> 01:50:37,319
just that we're eighth in the East. The injuries derailed

2510
01:50:37,359 --> 01:50:41,560
our season. We you know, so that's why we're not

2511
01:50:41,640 --> 01:50:46,439
gonna go get shooting and playmaking. Like okay, I guess,

2512
01:50:46,720 --> 01:50:49,279
but but like, how long are you gonna wait? You

2513
01:50:49,720 --> 01:50:51,920
We've talked about how they've banked on organic growth and

2514
01:50:52,000 --> 01:50:54,119
kind of been right, and they've been pretty conservative. The

2515
01:50:54,199 --> 01:50:58,039
KCP acquisition was turns out not to have mattered a

2516
01:50:58,039 --> 01:51:01,039
whole lot, but that was kind of the exception in

2517
01:51:01,159 --> 01:51:04,119
terms of them just like generally not doing anything. I

2518
01:51:04,600 --> 01:51:07,119
why is Anthony Simon still a Blazer like that? You

2519
01:51:07,239 --> 01:51:09,399
know that that kind of thing, Like, I just I

2520
01:51:09,520 --> 01:51:12,840
think the Magic had a clear need didn't address it,

2521
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:15,760
And then that feels like a concession because that just

2522
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:18,119
means you you just I don't care how good your

2523
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:21,079
defense is, You're not doing anything if you can't make

2524
01:51:21,119 --> 01:51:25,239
a three in twenty twenty five. So like to have

2525
01:51:25,399 --> 01:51:27,840
just decided that that's not an issue they're gonna address

2526
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:30,199
is disappointing to me. They can go, they got plenty

2527
01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:32,520
of time, they can do it in the offseason. Just

2528
01:51:32,840 --> 01:51:34,199
you know, do something.

2529
01:51:35,119 --> 01:51:37,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did remember, I did say I was going

2530
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:39,760
to eviscerate them if they did nothing at the tread line.

2531
01:51:39,800 --> 01:51:43,000
I just don't I'm so I expected it and I

2532
01:51:43,079 --> 01:51:44,600
don't understand it that. I don't know what else I

2533
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:48,159
could say other than it's not malpractice, but it's beyond

2534
01:51:48,279 --> 01:51:50,479
wildly disappointing. And the only thing I could add to

2535
01:51:51,039 --> 01:51:53,439
trying to figure out their rationale is it, Oh, like

2536
01:51:53,600 --> 01:51:57,520
Palo hasn't necessarily looked great since coming back, and even

2537
01:51:57,600 --> 01:52:01,479
Frouz Wagner has not necessarily looked amazing since coming back,

2538
01:52:01,520 --> 01:52:03,800
and so they just feel like between that the injuries

2539
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:06,640
in general that they're still dealing with, do they just

2540
01:52:06,680 --> 01:52:07,640
feel like it's not the year.

2541
01:52:07,800 --> 01:52:10,039
Speaker 2: I think that's inexcusable personally, because I.

2542
01:52:10,039 --> 01:52:11,520
Speaker 1: Don't think you needed to go what we need to

2543
01:52:11,600 --> 01:52:14,920
trade eight first round picks and get LaMelo ball or something.

2544
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:17,239
Speaker 2: But we didn't even hear them linked then.

2545
01:52:17,239 --> 01:52:20,359
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, there was no chatter at all. That's crazy.

2546
01:52:20,399 --> 01:52:21,560
I didn't even think about that part.

2547
01:52:22,359 --> 01:52:24,840
Speaker 1: Did you even hear their name aside from idiots like

2548
01:52:24,960 --> 01:52:27,479
us speculating when dearon Fox became available, did you even

2549
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:29,319
see them mentioned concretely anywhere?

2550
01:52:29,479 --> 01:52:31,760
Speaker 3: No, that's what I mean, Like, and that's like, that's

2551
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:35,119
hard to do given how much slop is ladled out

2552
01:52:35,159 --> 01:52:36,960
to us over the last you know month or so,

2553
01:52:37,359 --> 01:52:38,880
did not see Orlando come up at all?

2554
01:52:39,000 --> 01:52:39,039
Speaker 2: Is?

2555
01:52:39,319 --> 01:52:41,239
Speaker 3: I mean, they really must not have been doing anything.

2556
01:52:41,439 --> 01:52:46,399
Speaker 2: Our next team that did absolutely nothing. I surprised me.

2557
01:52:46,479 --> 01:52:48,800
Speaker 1: But maybe you shouldn't have because they're gonna win the championship.

2558
01:52:49,760 --> 01:52:51,520
The Portland Trailblazers.

2559
01:52:51,359 --> 01:52:53,960
Speaker 3: Winners of nine out of their last ten. Dan there,

2560
01:52:54,000 --> 01:52:56,119
but they should have been buyers. That's that's our criticism.

2561
01:52:56,159 --> 01:52:57,640
Why weren't they buying at the deadline?

2562
01:52:58,319 --> 01:53:00,760
Speaker 2: Henderson when Rookie of the Year this year?

2563
01:53:03,560 --> 01:53:06,720
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, should it matter that they've won nine

2564
01:53:06,720 --> 01:53:10,479
out of ten? Like, I mean, I get it if

2565
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:14,520
you probably can't trade Jeremy Grant for anything of value.

2566
01:53:14,520 --> 01:53:18,039
Speaker 1: After sorry, but like look at what DeAndre Hunter or

2567
01:53:18,079 --> 01:53:19,119
Kyle Kuzma went for.

2568
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:21,960
Speaker 2: What is what is Jeremy Grant?

2569
01:53:23,239 --> 01:53:27,760
Speaker 3: So that I get Robert Williams the third Plenty of

2570
01:53:27,800 --> 01:53:30,039
teams should have wanted that guy like and if you

2571
01:53:30,079 --> 01:53:34,279
want to think even like you know, more really long

2572
01:53:34,399 --> 01:53:38,199
term Timani Kamara would have got you something good like

2573
01:53:38,800 --> 01:53:41,520
pick Wise or like I just you know, and then

2574
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:44,279
in between that is Simon's somewhere like I just I'm

2575
01:53:44,600 --> 01:53:48,479
I'm really surprised that they didn't trade anybody. But I

2576
01:53:48,600 --> 01:53:50,640
maybe they're persuaded by this run that they've been on.

2577
01:53:50,720 --> 01:53:51,119
I don't know.

2578
01:53:51,800 --> 01:53:54,760
Speaker 1: I I think if they're persuaded by it, they should

2579
01:53:54,760 --> 01:53:56,279
have went out and trade. They should have made a

2580
01:53:56,359 --> 01:53:58,199
BUYE like, let's put some first round picks on the

2581
01:53:58,239 --> 01:53:59,880
table and see who we could get in Portland.

2582
01:54:00,479 --> 01:54:02,479
Speaker 2: Was Kevin Durant did he want to come there at

2583
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:03,039
the ball?

2584
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:04,960
Speaker 3: We had reports that they called on him.

2585
01:54:05,319 --> 01:54:07,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, like play with a team. It might

2586
01:54:07,039 --> 01:54:10,680
actually be going somewhere. So I'm more receptive to them

2587
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:13,159
doing nothing, not just because of how well they've been playing,

2588
01:54:13,239 --> 01:54:16,319
but I see, like I see the value in Okay

2589
01:54:16,359 --> 01:54:18,720
Tomaty Kamara is better on a good team, but maybe

2590
01:54:18,720 --> 01:54:20,479
the Blazers are a little bit closer than we think.

2591
01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:23,880
There was also I think it was done by Kevin Pelton.

2592
01:54:24,039 --> 01:54:27,720
I saw mentioned that January tends to be like when

2593
01:54:27,760 --> 01:54:32,399
the least trustworthy basketball is played. So how much value

2594
01:54:32,479 --> 01:54:35,720
can we assign to what they've done? I think when

2595
01:54:35,720 --> 01:54:38,000
I'm having trouble square, I am shocked they didn't do anything,

2596
01:54:38,039 --> 01:54:42,359
and I think, yeah, Robert Williams duap brief just still

2597
01:54:42,399 --> 01:54:44,600
being on this team with the number of squads that

2598
01:54:44,720 --> 01:54:47,800
needed Biggs. I look at it this way. I saw

2599
01:54:47,800 --> 01:54:49,319
a lot of people say, well, why' is Anthonty Simon

2600
01:54:49,399 --> 01:54:52,359
still on this team? They need his shooting and just

2601
01:54:52,439 --> 01:54:55,239
the idea of his shooting still on this roster, and

2602
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:58,920
there are if you're saying they needed to move him

2603
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:01,560
to continue to open up minutes for Scoot, I actually disagree.

2604
01:55:02,039 --> 01:55:04,199
There's a way to get Scooted thirty plus minutes per

2605
01:55:04,279 --> 01:55:06,479
game like other teams do it. Like you can have

2606
01:55:06,680 --> 01:55:09,840
a three guard rotation with your primary four general getting

2607
01:55:09,880 --> 01:55:12,600
thirty plus minutes. I think the guy to move or

2608
01:55:12,720 --> 01:55:14,720
not the guy, but you either needed to move a

2609
01:55:14,800 --> 01:55:18,039
big so maybe you downsize more often, or you need

2610
01:55:18,119 --> 01:55:20,760
to get rid of like a wing type forward type player.

2611
01:55:20,800 --> 01:55:22,000
Speaker 2: We knew it wasn't gonna be avda.

2612
01:55:22,079 --> 01:55:25,199
Speaker 1: That brings you back to Grant and I would say, look,

2613
01:55:25,239 --> 01:55:27,800
Scoot Henderson looks amazing and even just shade and sharp,

2614
01:55:27,880 --> 01:55:30,239
the self creation, the getting to the back like he's

2615
01:55:30,279 --> 01:55:32,239
looked really good. And I don't know how much I

2616
01:55:32,319 --> 01:55:35,039
buy of their recent stretch. Donovan Claton has been good

2617
01:55:35,039 --> 01:55:38,319
basically when he's on the floor all year. The Blazers

2618
01:55:38,359 --> 01:55:40,199
we called them what do we call them? Sneaky deep

2619
01:55:40,359 --> 01:55:42,760
ahead of the season, we were right. I'm at the

2620
01:55:42,760 --> 01:55:45,439
point where I'm just wondering, why didn't you just eat

2621
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:48,279
like crow on the Jeremy Grant stuff to get rid

2622
01:55:48,319 --> 01:55:50,920
of the obligation to play him? And I think that

2623
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:53,399
would have opened up minutes for a whole bunch of

2624
01:55:53,479 --> 01:55:55,680
people that don't necessarily need to play the wing spot.

2625
01:55:56,079 --> 01:55:59,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I mean, look, so they're one

2626
01:55:59,319 --> 01:56:02,119
nine out of centers it several times, and they're three

2627
01:56:02,199 --> 01:56:05,279
and a half back of the tenth seeded Suns, but

2628
01:56:05,720 --> 01:56:08,479
ahead of them also not in the plane yet are

2629
01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:10,760
the Spurs and Warriors who made upgrades. So it's like,

2630
01:56:11,159 --> 01:56:13,560
are you really like, how well?

2631
01:56:13,600 --> 01:56:16,239
Speaker 2: So? How so? Your metrics have them winning nine of

2632
01:56:16,279 --> 01:56:17,840
their last ten. That's what you have them at.

2633
01:56:17,920 --> 01:56:21,680
Speaker 3: It's a ninety percent win rate, Dan, Okay, how funny

2634
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:22,119
would it be?

2635
01:56:22,880 --> 01:56:26,000
Speaker 1: They get into the plane, they win it, and then

2636
01:56:26,039 --> 01:56:27,720
they're pick conveys to Chicago.

2637
01:56:29,119 --> 01:56:30,800
Speaker 3: The Bulls just outsmart at us.

2638
01:56:30,840 --> 01:56:34,600
Speaker 2: All. Yeah, I was surprised they did nothing, and I

2639
01:56:34,680 --> 01:56:36,079
don't think they're not.

2640
01:56:36,319 --> 01:56:38,479
Speaker 1: Are they the most disappointing team to do nothing because

2641
01:56:38,479 --> 01:56:40,520
this is the last of the next team did stuff

2642
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:41,479
that we're going to talk about.

2643
01:56:41,720 --> 01:56:43,960
Speaker 3: No, I think it's got to it's just Orlando, right,

2644
01:56:44,359 --> 01:56:47,199
I'm thinking because Denver we kind of gave them a

2645
01:56:47,239 --> 01:56:49,439
pass or a little. I'm trying to see Denver Orlando

2646
01:56:49,720 --> 01:56:52,560
Minnesota wasn't gonna do anything Brooklyn. Yeah, I think I

2647
01:56:52,600 --> 01:56:55,079
think it's Orlando. But the Blazers are close second to me.

2648
01:56:55,359 --> 01:56:57,640
Speaker 1: Our final team, and not a lot of Spurs talk here.

2649
01:56:57,680 --> 01:57:00,520
Were you surprised, I'll actually ask you this, Were you

2650
01:57:00,640 --> 01:57:02,760
surprised at all that the Spurs didn't do anything else,

2651
01:57:03,039 --> 01:57:05,119
like of real material worth?

2652
01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:08,560
Speaker 3: Well, what was there to do? I guess you could

2653
01:57:08,600 --> 01:57:12,239
make another like, No, I guess not really. I don't

2654
01:57:12,239 --> 01:57:13,720
think so. I think this was their move and then

2655
01:57:13,720 --> 01:57:16,199
they're gonna evaluate this and they're gonna treat it like

2656
01:57:16,560 --> 01:57:18,560
the Rockets, like, so, let's see what we got with this,

2657
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:20,800
and then kind of decide later.

2658
01:57:21,239 --> 01:57:23,039
Speaker 1: I wonder if you asked them if they knew they

2659
01:57:23,079 --> 01:57:24,960
were gonna make the darn Fox trade while sending out

2660
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:27,319
Zal Collins, if Dominic Barlow would still be on this team,

2661
01:57:27,319 --> 01:57:29,720
because then I'd be campaigning for him to play every

2662
01:57:29,800 --> 01:57:33,039
minute that women Yama's not on the court. But the

2663
01:57:33,239 --> 01:57:35,319
Jazz did a bunch of stuff, and I think the

2664
01:57:35,439 --> 01:57:37,520
best way to frame it because we could talk about

2665
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:40,319
they didn't make any sort of these huge moves, and

2666
01:57:40,399 --> 01:57:41,880
I think that was kind of by the way to me,

2667
01:57:42,560 --> 01:57:44,640
I at least took that as I saw it coming.

2668
01:57:44,720 --> 01:57:46,760
When they didn't take back Shrewder as part of that

2669
01:57:46,840 --> 01:57:49,920
sixteen trade, it was okay, Clarkson and Sexton aren't going anywhere.

2670
01:57:50,079 --> 01:57:51,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I think Andy.

2671
01:57:51,680 --> 01:57:55,039
Speaker 1: Larson subbed it up best saying they got kJ Martin,

2672
01:57:55,680 --> 01:58:01,000
Jalen Hochafino, Josh Richardson, Mobamba, and they subtracted Drew you

2673
01:58:01,159 --> 01:58:05,079
Banks and Patty Mills. So they added about three point

2674
01:58:05,239 --> 01:58:08,079
seven five million dollars in pro rated salary for the

2675
01:58:08,119 --> 01:58:10,720
rest of this season, and they ended up a net

2676
01:58:10,920 --> 01:58:13,520
plus of five second round picks.

2677
01:58:13,800 --> 01:58:17,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I mean this is before the deadline, but

2678
01:58:17,800 --> 01:58:20,199
that getting the Suns twenty thirty one for those three

2679
01:58:20,399 --> 01:58:23,359
like correct, you know whatever first and twenty five, twenty

2680
01:58:23,359 --> 01:58:27,199
seven to twenty nine. Yeah, just again, another another rebuilder.

2681
01:58:27,600 --> 01:58:29,399
I guess it's a little different for the Jazz because

2682
01:58:29,399 --> 01:58:32,000
they did have several guys that we, we and everybody

2683
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:34,399
else talked about them potentially moving. So they're kind of

2684
01:58:34,439 --> 01:58:37,159
in the Portland boat in that sense, except they really

2685
01:58:37,199 --> 01:58:39,319
did go out and get stuff with, you know, at

2686
01:58:39,359 --> 01:58:40,359
pretty minimal cost.

2687
01:58:41,159 --> 01:58:43,159
Speaker 1: I liked what they did, and I don't think with

2688
01:58:43,359 --> 01:58:45,479
Sexton and even Collins, it was if there's not a

2689
01:58:45,560 --> 01:58:48,119
bull you over offer, why do it? I think you

2690
01:58:48,199 --> 01:58:50,640
could say, was there a deal where you could have

2691
01:58:50,640 --> 01:58:52,199
given up Jordan Clarkson for seconds?

2692
01:58:52,479 --> 01:58:54,880
Speaker 2: He seems to like it in Utah, and I don't know.

2693
01:58:55,039 --> 01:58:57,479
Speaker 1: I mean, what happened where you look at it and say, Okay,

2694
01:58:57,520 --> 01:58:59,880
the Clippers went out after Bogdanovitch, but they might have

2695
01:59:00,520 --> 01:59:03,680
preferred Bogdanovitch over Clarkson, even with the season that bogdanovic

2696
01:59:03,760 --> 01:59:04,079
is having it.

2697
01:59:04,119 --> 01:59:06,439
Speaker 3: I think I would too, honestly. But yeah, it's a

2698
01:59:06,439 --> 01:59:08,960
little like Brooklyn too, where it's like, what's what's clearly

2699
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:11,960
what's the rush? Because because Utah's going real slow with this.

2700
01:59:12,760 --> 01:59:14,720
Speaker 1: Uh so, yeah, I thought they I thought they had

2701
01:59:14,760 --> 01:59:16,520
probably one of the more underrated deadlines. And when you

2702
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:19,199
frame it as okay, three point eight million dollars for

2703
01:59:19,279 --> 01:59:22,640
five additional second round picks, I favorite. So and by

2704
01:59:22,640 --> 01:59:25,119
the way, do you think if he's healthy, Like I

2705
01:59:25,199 --> 01:59:27,840
could see kJ Martin specifically playing for this team.

2706
01:59:28,199 --> 01:59:30,359
Speaker 3: I was, you know, because he's kind of been I

2707
01:59:30,399 --> 01:59:32,159
don't know, not off the radar, but like he was

2708
01:59:32,279 --> 01:59:34,560
he put up like twelve and five for the Rockets

2709
01:59:34,640 --> 01:59:37,159
like two years ago and has has had years where

2710
01:59:37,199 --> 01:59:40,520
he's made threes, like and he's still really young. Like

2711
01:59:40,640 --> 01:59:42,880
there's a yeah, absolutely, there's a chance he could be

2712
01:59:43,039 --> 01:59:44,720
a piece that you're interested in keeping around.

2713
01:59:45,239 --> 01:59:47,880
Speaker 1: So uh yeah, I like, I have no complaints here,

2714
01:59:47,880 --> 01:59:49,880
Whereas like when if it was the Blazers and you

2715
01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:52,720
thought you could identify players where it was, well, why

2716
01:59:52,720 --> 01:59:54,399
wouldn't you have just moved this guy for whatever?

2717
01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:56,880
Speaker 2: I don't really think that player existed on the jazz

2718
01:59:56,920 --> 01:59:59,920
It or exists on the Jazz Grant Everybody's favorite time.

2719
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:02,600
Speaker 1: Although this might be our first inaugural of it trade

2720
02:00:02,640 --> 02:00:06,039
deadline superlatives, I think just most impressive, least impressive.

2721
02:00:06,279 --> 02:00:08,119
Speaker 2: We didn't make picts for this because you asked to

2722
02:00:08,199 --> 02:00:09,560
do this just now.

2723
02:00:09,960 --> 02:00:12,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't. I didn't know what I was gonna

2724
02:00:12,399 --> 02:00:15,039
say either, So let's just go with let's who had

2725
02:00:15,079 --> 02:00:18,720
the Well, let's eliminate the Lakers in Dallas because that

2726
02:00:18,920 --> 02:00:21,479
just makes it less fun from from.

2727
02:00:22,359 --> 02:00:25,880
Speaker 1: Sorry, but the Lakers acquired Luka Doncics and then still

2728
02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:27,760
kind of making a case to not have the best

2729
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:29,640
trade deadline, right, hard to.

2730
02:00:29,680 --> 02:00:32,560
Speaker 3: Do, but they still had the best trade deadline. And

2731
02:00:32,680 --> 02:00:35,840
the MAVs getting Anthony Davis and still having the worst

2732
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:37,199
trade deadline. Hard to do.

2733
02:00:37,479 --> 02:00:40,079
Speaker 1: Don't you hate that part of it though, because like

2734
02:00:40,279 --> 02:00:43,800
Anthony Davis, he's a great player and we've had to

2735
02:00:43,880 --> 02:00:46,680
reduce him to or he's being reduced to less than

2736
02:00:46,760 --> 02:00:49,039
that because of the context under which he arrived in DOWBN.

2737
02:00:49,079 --> 02:00:52,000
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah, I mean the trade has nothing you can

2738
02:00:52,039 --> 02:00:53,960
make the case and people have that Anthony Davis was

2739
02:00:53,960 --> 02:00:56,399
the best player they realistically could have gotten for Luca.

2740
02:00:56,720 --> 02:00:59,000
It's just not about that. It's it's about like what

2741
02:00:59,159 --> 02:01:01,840
else did not come with him? All right? So who

2742
02:01:01,920 --> 02:01:04,199
had the best trade deadline? And this doesn't need to

2743
02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:06,760
be who got the best player, It's just like from

2744
02:01:06,840 --> 02:01:09,600
what their options were, what they gave up, what they got,

2745
02:01:10,079 --> 02:01:12,199
who are some who maybe we can just throw out

2746
02:01:12,279 --> 02:01:14,560
some contenders for this and we can narrow it down.

2747
02:01:14,640 --> 02:01:17,920
I think like honestly, Charlotte and Cleveland, because I'm looking

2748
02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:20,920
at the c's in alphabet, are the first two that

2749
02:01:21,000 --> 02:01:23,000
come to mind, Like I have those guys in the

2750
02:01:23,039 --> 02:01:24,960
A range, both of them for very different reasons.

2751
02:01:25,079 --> 02:01:26,760
Speaker 2: What about this breaking news.

2752
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:29,800
Speaker 1: Boston just signed Tory Craig, which they really probably wouldn't

2753
02:01:29,800 --> 02:01:31,199
have done if they didn't trade Jade and Springer, So

2754
02:01:31,279 --> 02:01:33,720
I think it's Boston's probably the answer for me. No,

2755
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:36,920
they gave up Jaden Springer, so they you were pretty

2756
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:39,680
disappointed about that. Oh, I really was so my pick

2757
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:42,399
when you first mentioned it. I think it's Cleveland just

2758
02:01:42,479 --> 02:01:46,079
as a contender that did something didn't settle the value

2759
02:01:46,119 --> 02:01:50,079
they got back and addressing their sort of biggest need,

2760
02:01:50,520 --> 02:01:53,880
or at least trying to. I still can't get over

2761
02:01:53,920 --> 02:01:55,800
the fact that, like they didn't have to give up

2762
02:01:55,920 --> 02:01:58,399
like even the twenty thirty one swap or something. So

2763
02:01:59,039 --> 02:02:00,520
I don't you can even make case like there are

2764
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:02,520
teams that probably got better value out of either what

2765
02:02:02,640 --> 02:02:04,199
they got or what they sent out whatever.

2766
02:02:05,000 --> 02:02:07,680
Speaker 2: I think. I know Jimmy Butler went to Golden State,

2767
02:02:07,840 --> 02:02:09,560
I know Luka Dacich went to the Lakers. I know

2768
02:02:09,600 --> 02:02:10,439
Anthony Davis went to.

2769
02:02:10,479 --> 02:02:13,359
Speaker 1: Dallas I think that ends up being the most impactful

2770
02:02:13,439 --> 02:02:16,399
trade of the twenty twenty five NBA Playoffs.

2771
02:02:16,319 --> 02:02:19,560
Speaker 3: If we're not including, like, are the Spurs excluded? Is

2772
02:02:19,600 --> 02:02:21,520
the Fox deal not a deadline deal?

2773
02:02:22,000 --> 02:02:24,000
Speaker 2: Ooh no, I think they would have to be included.

2774
02:02:24,119 --> 02:02:25,600
Speaker 3: I gotta have the Spurs up there too.

2775
02:02:26,680 --> 02:02:27,000
Speaker 2: I don't know.

2776
02:02:27,039 --> 02:02:28,760
Speaker 3: We didn't really talk. We've talked about that before. But

2777
02:02:29,039 --> 02:02:32,199
the more I think about that deal for Fox, the

2778
02:02:32,279 --> 02:02:34,359
more it's like he doesn't have to be their number

2779
02:02:34,399 --> 02:02:37,079
two guy to Wemby, like that isn't the only construction

2780
02:02:37,199 --> 02:02:39,680
of like of are the only way to view that deal.

2781
02:02:40,000 --> 02:02:41,800
And so if you just got Fox for what they

2782
02:02:41,880 --> 02:02:44,439
paid to get him, and again, we're doing this after

2783
02:02:44,520 --> 02:02:49,039
he's already debuted and they looked and looked good like that,

2784
02:02:49,279 --> 02:02:51,319
that's up there for me as like a high level

2785
02:02:51,399 --> 02:02:54,680
move potentially, But I think it's we might we might

2786
02:02:54,760 --> 02:02:57,279
feel bad about this, but I think I agree that

2787
02:02:57,359 --> 02:03:01,359
it's Cleveland just because it's like, in terms of what's

2788
02:03:01,439 --> 02:03:04,239
gonna impact this season the most, I think a team

2789
02:03:04,359 --> 02:03:07,800
that good adding a starter is like, that's hard to

2790
02:03:07,920 --> 02:03:12,800
top again Charlotte though, just getting just wrangling a couple

2791
02:03:12,960 --> 02:03:16,880
firsts for Mark Williams is like, you gotta love that one.

2792
02:03:17,439 --> 02:03:20,720
Speaker 1: Is there a case for the Clippers if Bogdanovic is

2793
02:03:20,760 --> 02:03:23,199
healthy and and the Bogdanovich of last year.

2794
02:03:25,640 --> 02:03:30,319
Speaker 3: They could be in consideration if if the best case scenario,

2795
02:03:30,560 --> 02:03:32,600
I mean, of course we should say that for every

2796
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:36,840
trade for evaluating what about I mean, like, would Golden

2797
02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:39,720
State and or Miami potentially be in that group two

2798
02:03:39,840 --> 02:03:42,600
of like if this goes right, for certainly, if Butler's

2799
02:03:42,680 --> 02:03:46,000
great and the fit works, like the Warriors go from

2800
02:03:46,039 --> 02:03:47,920
a team that's not in the play into like maybe

2801
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:50,439
the fifth or fourth or fifth best team in the West.

2802
02:03:50,640 --> 02:03:52,159
Speaker 2: I don't know, how wouldn't it be.

2803
02:03:52,439 --> 02:03:53,840
Speaker 1: I don't know what the ass of this would be

2804
02:03:53,960 --> 02:03:56,960
probably one to million. If we just got heat Warriors

2805
02:03:57,000 --> 02:03:59,560
in the finals. How credible would that be?

2806
02:04:00,039 --> 02:04:00,279
Speaker 2: Would be?

2807
02:04:01,039 --> 02:04:04,199
Speaker 3: That's mine? That's the matchup. Now. I didn't know more.

2808
02:04:04,359 --> 02:04:06,680
Speaker 2: Maverick Lakers in the Western Conference finals.

2809
02:04:07,079 --> 02:04:10,880
Speaker 3: I mean, well, I don't think that's gonna with This

2810
02:04:11,039 --> 02:04:13,720
is another podcast, like Who's got are the Lakers? Like

2811
02:04:13,800 --> 02:04:16,159
a sneaky? How good might the Lakers be if, like the.

2812
02:04:16,239 --> 02:04:19,119
Speaker 2: Williams thing were, What is the Lakers defense?

2813
02:04:19,600 --> 02:04:23,199
Speaker 3: It's terrible, It's terrible. Yeah, you're right, we're too far afield.

2814
02:04:23,439 --> 02:04:25,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's any other nominees here for

2815
02:04:25,680 --> 02:04:27,560
I think you could look at, you know, Utah getting

2816
02:04:27,600 --> 02:04:29,239
good value, but it was just sort of just like

2817
02:04:29,319 --> 02:04:32,319
on the Washington getting too Are they the only team

2818
02:04:32,359 --> 02:04:34,239
that without get well, they have Kuzma, but.

2819
02:04:34,319 --> 02:04:37,399
Speaker 3: Like in Detroit, Detroit's in like that group too, A

2820
02:04:37,560 --> 02:04:41,880
good job with limited resources type of thing. All right,

2821
02:04:42,079 --> 02:04:44,119
so let's go to the other side of this. Dallas

2822
02:04:44,279 --> 02:04:48,279
is excluded. We we probably should exclude the teams that

2823
02:04:48,319 --> 02:04:51,840
didn't do anything. So that's gonna absolve Orlando of having

2824
02:04:51,880 --> 02:04:55,520
to maybe be in the conversation here. So who did

2825
02:04:55,720 --> 02:04:59,039
I'm like, I don't know, there's nobody like that really,

2826
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:02,159
just well, it's Memphis probably right.

2827
02:05:02,720 --> 02:05:04,479
Speaker 2: If you're gonna ask me who had the worst trade deadline,

2828
02:05:04,520 --> 02:05:05,239
I think it's Memphis.

2829
02:05:05,680 --> 02:05:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. Unfortunately it is Memphis. I'm looking for

2830
02:05:07,880 --> 02:05:11,640
any other real candidates the Bulls, I guess, But like,

2831
02:05:12,520 --> 02:05:15,239
I don't know, should we really expect anything different.

2832
02:05:16,079 --> 02:05:18,479
Speaker 2: It's a good thing that neither of us immediately went

2833
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:19,079
to the Kings.

2834
02:05:19,640 --> 02:05:22,720
Speaker 3: That's true. Good job fellas, I mean I think too,

2835
02:05:22,840 --> 02:05:25,239
Like in general, and I said this at the top,

2836
02:05:25,960 --> 02:05:29,039
there weren't that many trades. There were some, but not

2837
02:05:29,239 --> 02:05:31,720
many where it was oh my god, like this is

2838
02:05:31,880 --> 02:05:34,520
clearly like way out of balance. And so I think

2839
02:05:34,600 --> 02:05:36,720
that's part of the reason it's harder to think of

2840
02:05:37,239 --> 02:05:40,920
clear like quote unquote losers. And there's just a lot

2841
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:43,079
of teams that are like mild winners, you know, that

2842
02:05:43,199 --> 02:05:47,439
the biggest bucket. If we're separating all these teams into

2843
02:05:47,600 --> 02:05:51,279
like you know, deadline performance chunks, everybody's kind of in

2844
02:05:51,359 --> 02:05:54,039
like yeah, pretty good, like the pretty good buckets, very full.

2845
02:05:54,439 --> 02:05:56,720
Speaker 1: If I to separate in like call team, not saying

2846
02:05:56,760 --> 02:05:58,359
they were the biggest losers, but if I had to

2847
02:05:58,359 --> 02:06:02,640
say they were losers, I would gravitate towards Atlanta, gravitate

2848
02:06:02,680 --> 02:06:03,439
towards Memphis.

2849
02:06:04,079 --> 02:06:06,119
Speaker 2: And I don't know, how do you feel about Philly.

2850
02:06:07,920 --> 02:06:10,439
Speaker 3: I mean, they're they're a loser in a vacuum. It's

2851
02:06:10,600 --> 02:06:14,600
just like the reason they had just the whole season

2852
02:06:14,640 --> 02:06:16,920
went off the rails, and like Embiid's been heard and

2853
02:06:17,039 --> 02:06:20,479
Paul George is heard in bad and like, I don't yeah,

2854
02:06:20,640 --> 02:06:23,159
they're they're in the conversation. I just don't think they

2855
02:06:23,199 --> 02:06:26,560
didn't do like the the Memphis The smart trade was

2856
02:06:26,640 --> 02:06:30,039
the move that caused the most like oh man, you

2857
02:06:30,119 --> 02:06:30,720
know reaction.

2858
02:06:30,960 --> 02:06:33,680
Speaker 1: I think, like on social media, watched it happen again

2859
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:37,159
this past offseason where they're just making these cost cutting maneuvers,

2860
02:06:37,239 --> 02:06:40,279
and it's they're not even half baked measures, they're just

2861
02:06:40,479 --> 02:06:41,920
uncooked measures.

2862
02:06:42,039 --> 02:06:44,520
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense. So can we try it

2863
02:06:44,640 --> 02:06:44,960
this way?

2864
02:06:45,039 --> 02:06:50,479
Speaker 1: Two different categories, most shocking or surprising, riskiest move not

2865
02:06:50,880 --> 02:06:53,000
Luka Dacic Anthony Davis division.

2866
02:06:53,560 --> 02:06:56,439
Speaker 3: Well, most shocking, I think most shocking, and risk well,

2867
02:06:56,560 --> 02:06:59,399
it's it might just be Butler to the Warriors. The

2868
02:06:59,520 --> 02:07:03,680
risk is like insane because he could just be unbearable,

2869
02:07:03,840 --> 02:07:06,920
like we've seen Jimmy Butler. Just now he's gotten paid,

2870
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:09,079
he's got financial security. You could say, like what's his

2871
02:07:09,199 --> 02:07:13,279
incentive to like give a shit or care you know

2872
02:07:13,319 --> 02:07:13,640
what I mean?

2873
02:07:13,800 --> 02:07:16,439
Speaker 1: Or try don't you question him a little bit that

2874
02:07:16,479 --> 02:07:18,880
he actively wanted to end up in Phoenix with what's

2875
02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:21,880
going on there. Another loser put that like the value

2876
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:24,560
of getting off Nurkic ended up being lower than we thought.

2877
02:07:24,640 --> 02:07:27,199
But you can't escape that twenty thirty one trade when

2878
02:07:27,239 --> 02:07:30,359
your big additions are obviously future Hall of Famer Cody Martin.

2879
02:07:30,439 --> 02:07:33,680
Speaker 3: But it's just like I mean, would I would nominate?

2880
02:07:33,840 --> 02:07:37,520
I think for better or worse? I think both the

2881
02:07:37,680 --> 02:07:40,880
Calves and the Clippers have some risk, right, like with

2882
02:07:41,039 --> 02:07:45,079
Bogdanovic and ironically two Hawks former Hawks acquisitions are like, well,

2883
02:07:45,079 --> 02:07:49,119
I don't know what, what do you do? You have anything?

2884
02:07:49,199 --> 02:07:51,319
I think Butler is the most shocking to me, But

2885
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:52,680
what else do you got on?

2886
02:07:52,760 --> 02:07:53,039
Speaker 2: That one?

2887
02:07:53,239 --> 02:07:56,359
Speaker 1: So shocking and I think risky it's for me. I

2888
02:07:56,439 --> 02:07:59,000
think he's brandon Ingram to the Raptors. I was surprised

2889
02:07:59,039 --> 02:08:02,199
that the Raptors when I heard them linked, because all

2890
02:08:02,279 --> 02:08:04,359
we heard the past few weeks is they want to

2891
02:08:04,359 --> 02:08:06,880
be involved on these bigger trades as a facilitator. Yes,

2892
02:08:06,960 --> 02:08:09,399
that we were kind of linked to brandon Ingram first,

2893
02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:11,720
like loosely it felt like, but it was no, they're

2894
02:08:11,720 --> 02:08:14,279
gonna end up facilitating something, and no, they do it again.

2895
02:08:14,359 --> 02:08:17,560
They trade a like a team that far under five

2896
02:08:17,680 --> 02:08:19,840
hundred trade. I know it's not their own, but trading

2897
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:21,800
a first round pick. So I get it from a

2898
02:08:21,880 --> 02:08:26,680
value perspective, but from a timing and also just fit perspective,

2899
02:08:26,880 --> 02:08:30,680
I think which fit do you view is more strained or.

2900
02:08:30,800 --> 02:08:32,560
Speaker 2: Risky or just to fit on the court. Forget the

2901
02:08:32,640 --> 02:08:35,359
value Ingram in Toronto or Butler and Golden State.

2902
02:08:38,600 --> 02:08:42,359
Speaker 3: I think, like I think in terms of like floor

2903
02:08:42,520 --> 02:08:45,479
versus the distance between the floor and the ceiling is

2904
02:08:45,600 --> 02:08:47,960
bigger with Butler and Golden State. So I don't know

2905
02:08:47,960 --> 02:08:52,159
if that means it's riskier. But but Ingram just feels

2906
02:08:52,279 --> 02:08:55,479
kind of ill fitting full stop, So I don't know

2907
02:08:55,520 --> 02:08:57,119
if that doesn't I think I guess I would just

2908
02:08:57,159 --> 02:09:00,520
default to the to Butler because like it could go

2909
02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:03,039
so great or it could just be like this was

2910
02:09:03,079 --> 02:09:05,800
a catastrophic decision, like those are both on the table.

2911
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:10,279
I think, what about in terms of risk, is it

2912
02:09:10,399 --> 02:09:15,039
possible that moving Middleton for Kuzma. Forget the Kuzma part

2913
02:09:15,079 --> 02:09:18,199
of it, but moving Middleton has like a really negative

2914
02:09:18,239 --> 02:09:21,279
effect on the vibe and Yannis and that's what all

2915
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:23,640
like and and it doesn't work on the floor, and

2916
02:09:23,720 --> 02:09:26,239
then we have to talk about Yiannis being moved like

2917
02:09:26,319 --> 02:09:27,600
it's you know, a year from now or.

2918
02:09:27,600 --> 02:09:29,840
Speaker 2: Whatever that that's a good point. Would you have put

2919
02:09:29,880 --> 02:09:30,079
that in?

2920
02:09:30,319 --> 02:09:32,760
Speaker 1: For most shocking that they because when you heard them

2921
02:09:32,760 --> 02:09:35,359
link to Kyle Kuzma and even Chris Middleton was involved.

2922
02:09:35,359 --> 02:09:37,119
At first, I kind of dismissed it as, oh, that's

2923
02:09:37,119 --> 02:09:37,760
not gonna happen.

2924
02:09:38,119 --> 02:09:41,119
Speaker 3: It is. I mean, even have we talked plenty about

2925
02:09:41,119 --> 02:09:44,279
Middleton's issues like durability and stuff. That was pretty surprising

2926
02:09:44,399 --> 02:09:46,239
that they moved him just because he felt like a

2927
02:09:46,319 --> 02:09:48,840
core piece of the whole the whole deal there.

2928
02:09:49,239 --> 02:09:52,199
Speaker 1: It's funny if, like you know that Domino meme, it's

2929
02:09:52,840 --> 02:09:55,600
Yannie wants the Bucks to hire Adrian Griffin, and then

2930
02:09:55,640 --> 02:09:57,800
it ends with the big domino of Yannis requesting out

2931
02:09:57,920 --> 02:10:01,439
because like Janni's also co sign the Kuzmich trade apparently, right.

2932
02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:04,640
I just all the stuff that's happened in Milwaukee since

2933
02:10:04,720 --> 02:10:07,520
the title. You never have to apologize after winning a championship,

2934
02:10:07,520 --> 02:10:09,399
and I give them kudos for going after Dame. But

2935
02:10:10,520 --> 02:10:13,119
it's like, there's a real chance that winning the n

2936
02:10:13,199 --> 02:10:17,359
Season Tournament is the peak of the Damian Millard Bucks era.

2937
02:10:18,359 --> 02:10:22,399
Speaker 3: What was the best draft asset that changed hands?

2938
02:10:22,800 --> 02:10:24,319
Speaker 2: Phoenix first round?

2939
02:10:24,359 --> 02:10:25,399
Speaker 3: That's my answer too. Damn it.

2940
02:10:25,560 --> 02:10:28,600
Speaker 2: Well, here let's do this most underrated move.

2941
02:10:29,479 --> 02:10:34,880
Speaker 3: Hmmm. Let's see, I've gotta pull through here. We've already

2942
02:10:34,920 --> 02:10:37,239
said you can't. I can't just go back to Charlotte

2943
02:10:37,279 --> 02:10:40,399
getting two first round assets essentially from I think it's

2944
02:10:40,760 --> 02:10:41,000
I was.

2945
02:10:41,039 --> 02:10:42,760
Speaker 1: Thinking more in line to like players who will make

2946
02:10:42,760 --> 02:10:44,760
any I think Jake Larabia or the Kings might be

2947
02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:45,840
the most underrated one.

2948
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:49,039
Speaker 3: For me, that's a really good one. I want to

2949
02:10:49,079 --> 02:10:51,920
give another answer, mm.

2950
02:10:53,840 --> 02:10:57,920
Speaker 2: The Rockets getting Jaden Springer for two minutes? Yeah?

2951
02:11:01,399 --> 02:11:03,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't have a good one there. I think

2952
02:11:03,319 --> 02:11:06,800
Lauravia is probably the answer, because well, what about Like,

2953
02:11:06,960 --> 02:11:08,880
I mean, Wiggins is too good to count? Like, I

2954
02:11:08,920 --> 02:11:10,960
think Wiggins will just be really good and fit well

2955
02:11:11,000 --> 02:11:12,600
in Miami, but he's like too good of a player

2956
02:11:12,680 --> 02:11:15,279
to count as on he's the main asset going back

2957
02:11:15,359 --> 02:11:16,119
in the Butler deal?

2958
02:11:17,239 --> 02:11:19,039
Speaker 1: Could it be I mean this is going back, but like,

2959
02:11:19,159 --> 02:11:21,520
could it be the Nets getting Candlo Russell again?

2960
02:11:22,399 --> 02:11:24,920
Speaker 3: I mean he won them a game, so I mean,

2961
02:11:25,319 --> 02:11:29,760
so that's a negative for them. So yes, I don't

2962
02:11:29,760 --> 02:11:31,159
know you got any other thoughts. I feel like I

2963
02:11:31,239 --> 02:11:33,359
can say most overrated move before we get.

2964
02:11:33,239 --> 02:11:33,600
Speaker 2: Out of here.

2965
02:11:33,960 --> 02:11:35,800
Speaker 3: Ooh, most overrated move?

2966
02:11:35,880 --> 02:11:37,159
Speaker 2: Do you want to know what mine is? Or can

2967
02:11:37,239 --> 02:11:38,760
you guess it? Uh?

2968
02:11:39,199 --> 02:11:41,880
Speaker 1: Mark Williams, Yeah, Mark Williams, The Lakers I think is

2969
02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:42,760
the most overrated one.

2970
02:11:42,960 --> 02:11:45,800
Speaker 3: That's one where so I didn't see everybody like, maybe

2971
02:11:45,840 --> 02:11:48,439
you got too much of a Lakers influence on in

2972
02:11:48,760 --> 02:11:51,760
your in your various silos, because.

2973
02:11:51,560 --> 02:11:53,439
Speaker 2: I didn't was all in on it too, Like that's

2974
02:11:53,560 --> 02:11:56,079
really smart. I didn't, at least I thought he was.

2975
02:11:56,119 --> 02:11:57,840
I don't know, man well, I was in such.

2976
02:11:57,680 --> 02:11:59,399
Speaker 3: A Hayes trying to write to the end of the

2977
02:11:59,439 --> 02:12:02,319
deadline that I I didn't see any like reactions to it,

2978
02:12:02,760 --> 02:12:05,520
and I assumed everyone would say that's way too much

2979
02:12:05,560 --> 02:12:08,439
for Mark Williams. I didn't realize that wasn't the consensus

2980
02:12:08,520 --> 02:12:08,720
on it.

2981
02:12:08,960 --> 02:12:09,439
Speaker 2: It should be.

2982
02:12:10,079 --> 02:12:13,359
Speaker 1: Even Look Pete's iis from Laker film room, was all

2983
02:12:13,439 --> 02:12:14,520
in on it too, and I know that he's a

2984
02:12:14,600 --> 02:12:16,399
Laker Sam like that's one of the smartest guys in

2985
02:12:16,439 --> 02:12:16,880
the business.

2986
02:12:16,920 --> 02:12:20,359
Speaker 2: I was just like I thought there'd be more trepidation.

2987
02:12:21,039 --> 02:12:25,439
Speaker 1: Uh. I'm also giggling for anyone watching because Andrew Wiggins

2988
02:12:25,800 --> 02:12:27,800
will be wearing Jimmy Butler's number.

2989
02:12:28,239 --> 02:12:28,520
Speaker 3: Nice.

2990
02:12:28,960 --> 02:12:29,399
Speaker 2: I love it.

2991
02:12:31,359 --> 02:12:34,039
Speaker 3: That's that's that's cold. I like that, that's that's good

2992
02:12:34,079 --> 02:12:36,680
for him. I really hope Wiggins is great for Miami.

2993
02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:40,960
I will you know, I think like he feels like

2994
02:12:41,079 --> 02:12:43,439
and Cour alluded to this. Wiggins feels like a guy

2995
02:12:43,920 --> 02:12:46,159
that has This might be a knock and it might

2996
02:12:46,199 --> 02:12:48,000
be why a lot of people will never like him,

2997
02:12:48,479 --> 02:12:51,640
But he has a basketball like right sized in his

2998
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:54,840
like life priority list, Like he understands this is his

2999
02:12:55,079 --> 02:12:58,439
job and he cares about it. But it's like he

3000
02:12:58,680 --> 02:13:01,520
he like cares about the right things. More than that,

3001
02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:04,880
it feels like, I don't know anyway, good mood Sailing

3002
02:13:04,920 --> 02:13:07,159
to Andrew Wiggins is my final thought.

3003
02:13:07,760 --> 02:13:09,880
Speaker 1: It's a I don't know if it's more of a

3004
02:13:09,960 --> 02:13:12,159
testament as to where the Warriors were at or what

3005
02:13:12,279 --> 02:13:14,039
we think about some of the players they were targeting,

3006
02:13:14,079 --> 02:13:15,960
but that we kept being hung up over on.

3007
02:13:16,840 --> 02:13:18,199
Speaker 2: They have to give up Andrew Williams for that.

3008
02:13:18,279 --> 02:13:21,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, curse said it. They don't win

3009
02:13:21,840 --> 02:13:23,600
the twenty two title without him. Now, you can say

3010
02:13:23,640 --> 02:13:25,600
that about like seven guys on the roster, but it

3011
02:13:25,760 --> 02:13:29,920
is very true specifically for Wigans. So hopefully hopefully things

3012
02:13:29,960 --> 02:13:31,239
go well for him in Miami.

3013
02:13:32,319 --> 02:13:33,520
Speaker 2: Were you ready to take us out of here?

3014
02:13:33,720 --> 02:13:36,680
Speaker 3: Yeah? Good trade deadline, Dan, We did it. We wrote

3015
02:13:36,720 --> 02:13:39,840
a bunch, we talked a bunch, we evaluated everything perfectly.

3016
02:13:39,880 --> 02:13:41,439
None of this will come back to buy us. Thanks

3017
02:13:41,479 --> 02:13:44,000
everybody that stuck with us for this two hour pod.

3018
02:13:44,119 --> 02:13:45,600
This is always a really fun one to do. If

3019
02:13:45,640 --> 02:13:48,439
you enjoyed this, remember rate review, subscribe. Dan said it

3020
02:13:48,439 --> 02:13:50,439
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3021
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:53,680
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3022
02:13:54,880 --> 02:13:55,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna do it.

3023
02:13:55,800 --> 02:13:58,479
Speaker 3: Thanks everybody. Shout out to Frank O'Keen an apologies to

3024
02:13:58,560 --> 02:13:59,039
Jared Allen