Speaker 1: I had it set for a person only. You know,
Speaker 1: you could set those things up for motion or for people,
Speaker 1: so i'd set it up just for people only, so
Speaker 1: it wouldn't go off like it's a cat or something
Speaker 1: or dog ran by, you know. And I woke up
Speaker 1: one morning and I had a notification on my phone.
Speaker 1: It said person. So I clicked on it, and when
Speaker 1: I clicked on the video, I could really see that
Speaker 1: good what it was. I could see something coming around
Speaker 1: the corner of the house. And so I'd send it
Speaker 1: off to my father, who was able to get it
Speaker 1: cleaned up for me, and he got it back to me,
Speaker 1: and that's when we saw it. And it's standing right
Speaker 1: there in front of my bathroom window. It looks at
Speaker 1: the camera, it steps in the frame just for a second.
Speaker 1: It's long enough for us to get a good look
Speaker 1: at it, and then it steps right back out and
Speaker 1: it's gone.
Speaker 2: This is Bigfoot Crossroads. My name is Matt, and joining
Speaker 2: me is another Matt. I'd like to welcome Matt Parish
Speaker 2: to the podcast. Matt is a researcher out of Washington.
Speaker 2: Is that correct correct? But you're originally from Texas?
Speaker 1: Huh, yes, sir, from East Texas.
Speaker 2: So how did you get from East Texas to the
Speaker 2: Pacific Northwest well sasquatch?
Speaker 1: You know, living in East Texas, you always hear the
Speaker 1: stories and you see all the documentaries and everything that
Speaker 1: there's not really a whole lot of activity in the
Speaker 1: in the area that I was in. There at least
Speaker 1: that I that I could see, you know, going out
Speaker 1: to the field. So I would, you know, start going
Speaker 1: out taking my family on vacation to these big foot
Speaker 1: hotspots to look for the best I guess you could
Speaker 1: say viable habitat. And the Pacific Northwest really struck a
Speaker 1: chord with us when we went here. You know, we
Speaker 1: came here and it just seems to have everything that's
Speaker 1: perfect for concealing a species like sasquatch. Then stood then
Speaker 1: we had our own experience in twenty eighteen when we
Speaker 1: were camping up on Lake Crescent and me and my
Speaker 1: wife actually heard something behind our cabin one night, and
Speaker 1: that's really what kind of you know, focused my attention
Speaker 1: on this area in the Olympics.
Speaker 2: So how did bigfoot originally get on your radar in
Speaker 2: East Texas? Was it something you heard about as a
Speaker 2: kid growing up or.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was just something that I'd heard about growing
Speaker 1: up between my dad and my grandfather telling stories, and
Speaker 1: it was always kind of a kind of a boogeyman type,
Speaker 1: you know thing, you know, it was like like a
Speaker 1: fairy tale. I mean, it wasn't until I was in
Speaker 1: the first grade I actually saw a book in the
Speaker 1: library about myths and legends and cryptozoology. And when I
Speaker 1: open it up and I'm flipping through and I see
Speaker 1: different things, but what really grabbed my attention was that
Speaker 1: iconic picture of Patty walking from the Roger Patterson film.
Speaker 1: And when I saw that, something that just kind of
Speaker 1: struck a nerve and I thought, that's that looks so
Speaker 1: real to me that, you know, there's there's got to
Speaker 1: be more to this than just the you know, tells
Speaker 1: and the boogeyman stuff. When when I was younger, you
Speaker 1: didn't have Finding Bigfoot or Expedition Bigfoot. You didn't have
Speaker 1: all the TV shows. If you wanted to find anything
Speaker 1: out about Bigfoot, you had to you know, it's just
Speaker 1: like word of mouth, people telling stories, or you had
Speaker 1: to go to your local library to find something. We
Speaker 1: didn't have the Internet or it wasn't widely available. So yeah,
Speaker 1: like it is today.
Speaker 2: So I've got very similar roots in this. I started
Speaker 2: out the same way, just desperately searching for books on
Speaker 2: the subject, and as you well know, it was lumped
Speaker 2: in with a lot of other things back then. It
Speaker 2: didn't really have its own section or anything. It was
Speaker 2: just kind of shoved in books about ghosts and UFOs
Speaker 2: and everything else. Did you have an interest in that
Speaker 2: stuff as well?
Speaker 1: Not so much? I mean again, for me, it was
Speaker 1: I think you know too. If I had never seen
Speaker 1: that picture of Patty, it probably would not have struck
Speaker 1: as hard as it did. But it was it was
Speaker 1: being able to see that, you know, okay, there there
Speaker 1: is actually something flesh and blood in this picture, or
Speaker 1: appears to me, you know, my perception of it was
Speaker 1: that it was real and so that that really uh,
Speaker 1: you know, all the other stuff, you know, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of a I wanted to see it or you know,
Speaker 1: something like that. So those things are interesting, but the
Speaker 1: not what really grabbed my attention.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did it just like really captivate you so much?
Speaker 2: I mean, I just being honest, You're the first person
Speaker 2: I've talked to that's actually uprooted and moved to pursue
Speaker 2: Sasquatch and I find that really interesting, like, what was
Speaker 2: that decision kind of based around?
Speaker 1: Well, I'd worked for the Texas Department of Criminal Justice
Speaker 1: and for over a decade, and it was always the
Speaker 1: plan that, you know, we wanted to live somewhere in
Speaker 1: the mountains. We didn't really have a specific location, and
Speaker 1: then you know, we started visiting Washington State for you know,
Speaker 1: Lake said, I bring my family here for vacation. And
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, we were staying up on Lake Cresop
Speaker 1: in a cabin on the northern part of the Olympic Peninsula,
Speaker 1: and it was around eleven o'clock at night. I remember
Speaker 1: it was actually on my birthday. It was our last
Speaker 1: night here in the Olympics. Aid down to go to sleep,
Speaker 1: and my wife too. There's no air conditioning, there's no
Speaker 1: white noise, it's just dead silent, and we heard only
Speaker 1: what I can describe as like the Ohio call for
Speaker 1: people that are familiar with bigfoot calls, but it was
Speaker 1: just this real long, drawn out call from the top
Speaker 1: of this ridge. And I said up and I looked
Speaker 1: at my wife and she looked at me, and I
Speaker 1: was like, there's no way we're hearing this right now.
Speaker 2: Happy birthday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and so you know, I said, we got to
Speaker 1: come back, you know, and I said, this is the
Speaker 1: place where I want to retire. Well, fast forward, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one comes around and we actually had the opportunity
Speaker 1: to leave the you know, leave the Texas Department of
Speaker 1: Criminal Justice and early and so it just everything kind
Speaker 1: of fell into place. We had a housing lined up
Speaker 1: and it was just one thing after another. I said,
Speaker 1: it wasn't a very hard decision when the opportunity presented itself,
Speaker 1: and so that's what we did. And everyone thought we
Speaker 1: were crazy. You know, we had a fire We had
Speaker 1: a fire sale on all of our stuff. We were
Speaker 1: up here on vacation when the opportunity presented itself and
Speaker 1: we got back and sat down on the couch and
Speaker 1: look at my wife. I said, well this sucks. I said,
Speaker 1: you want to go back? And I said, she said
Speaker 1: can we? I said, well, let's make some fun calls
Speaker 1: and see what we can do. And you know, we
Speaker 1: had a fire sale on all of our property in
Speaker 1: about two weeks, and we packed up what we could
Speaker 1: in the car and moved up here. And it's been
Speaker 1: an adventure ever since.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 1: It all stemmed from that one night. If we hadn't
Speaker 1: heard what we heard, you know, that is just kind
Speaker 1: of you know, the solidified the deal for me, you know,
Speaker 1: back in twenty so.
Speaker 2: Now, had you already kind of tapped into like the
Speaker 2: online bigfoot community before you moved up there.
Speaker 1: Uh, not so much. I you know, I I've seen
Speaker 1: the groups and I kind of keep up with some
Speaker 1: of the news and stuff, but not not so much
Speaker 1: the online stuff now the social media, Yeah, not like
Speaker 1: I did.
Speaker 2: Now, So you just got up there and just went
Speaker 2: on it on your own or.
Speaker 3: Well, we settled in the Quinault rainforest, and so I
Speaker 3: started hearing from locals, and I started hearing from people,
Speaker 3: you know, the sightings, and I would go out and
Speaker 3: I would investigate.
Speaker 1: Things, and I would talk to people. And what I
Speaker 1: found really interesting was, you know, nobody you know, from
Speaker 1: the South to coming to here. You know, in the South,
Speaker 1: it's still kind of taboo. You know, people will kind
Speaker 1: of clown you about it, right but up here, you know,
Speaker 1: you open up and you say, yeah, I'm interested in bigfoot,
Speaker 1: you know, and then you tell people about your experience,
Speaker 1: you know, the experience that I had in twenty eighteen,
Speaker 1: and then they'll go, oh, yeah, you know, they'll listen
Speaker 1: to you for a minute, and then they'll go, well,
Speaker 1: you know, so and so over here had in it
Speaker 1: experience or I had an experience. And then that's how
Speaker 1: you uh, just word of mouth, and then people find
Speaker 1: out you're you know, we live in a very very
Speaker 1: small community, so word spreads pretty quickly that what you're into,
Speaker 1: and then people will start opening up and talking to
Speaker 1: you and telling you their stories and their experiences, and
Speaker 1: uh so that's that's really how it kind of all happened.
Speaker 1: You know. It's just kind of a hobby thing. On
Speaker 1: the weekends once we moved up here, you know, I
Speaker 1: had my regular nine to five job, and then on
Speaker 1: the weekends I would go out and uh talk to
Speaker 1: folks and look into their sightings, talk to witnesses and
Speaker 1: if they had something like footprints all the property. Uh.
Speaker 1: One thing that I found hard about the rainforest is
Speaker 1: that we get so much rainfall here that a lot
Speaker 1: of times when I would show up to look at
Speaker 1: a footprints or somebody would point me in the direction
Speaker 1: of footprints, all you could really tell was that something
Speaker 1: did travel through the area that you couldn't tell if
Speaker 1: it was a bear or a person or you know,
Speaker 1: a sasquatch. So that made it a little more difficult.
Speaker 1: But the stories and the eyewitness accounts cooberating with the evidence,
Speaker 1: you know it. It's it's interesting, you know. And then
Speaker 1: we started having our own experiences on our own property.
Speaker 2: Well, tell me about that, because I mean, this is
Speaker 2: sounding like a very faithful story. Having the opportunity to
Speaker 2: you know, move like that to just a dream location,
Speaker 2: and now you end up on property where you have activity.
Speaker 1: Right And we never ever anticipated, you know, I always
Speaker 1: thought so we live on a lake quaranat here in
Speaker 1: the Olympic Peninsula in the Quanault Rainforest, and all around
Speaker 1: the lake there's activity everywhere. So it doesn't surprise me
Speaker 1: now that we actually have activity occurring on our own
Speaker 1: property as well. So what originally when we were staying
Speaker 1: in our house around midnight till one o'clock in the
Speaker 1: morning that first year that we were here, we would
Speaker 1: smell something that was just like kind of a mild
Speaker 1: musky smell. It wasn't like a real pungent hit you
Speaker 1: in the face, you know, rotten eggs. I've heard that
Speaker 1: from some witnesses. I've also heard witnesses describe what I'm describing.
Speaker 1: But it was just a mild, gamey smell, you know.
Speaker 1: And so we thought that possibly a bear was coming
Speaker 1: up in the backyard, a black bear. And I went
Speaker 1: out and I got some floodlights and put put a
Speaker 1: blood light up on the back of the house because
Speaker 1: we didn't we don't have every conditioning up here, you know,
Speaker 1: you don't really need it, and that we do sleep
Speaker 1: with the window open in the summertime. So I thought,
Speaker 1: you know, if it comes close, you know, hopefully the
Speaker 1: light will trigger and scared away, not really knowing a
Speaker 1: whole lot about black bears and their behavior in this
Speaker 1: area like I do now, so that that would happen,
Speaker 1: and I would go and I would look, and there
Speaker 1: would be absolutely nothing there around. Like I said, between
Speaker 1: twelve and one is when this would occur. Fast forward
Speaker 1: to the following year, and we moved just next door
Speaker 1: into into the house next door. We were over there
Speaker 1: for about a week and say, and then my parents
Speaker 1: came up to visit, and we had just the house
Speaker 1: next door does had been vacant for some time, and
Speaker 1: it had been kind of a party house before. People
Speaker 1: were using it to party in there, and what it
Speaker 1: was actually uh employee housing for the lodge that sits
Speaker 1: on the lake, so they would have their little parties
Speaker 1: there and whatnot. Nobody was actually living in there, and
Speaker 1: there was a lot of damage in it. I'm be
Speaker 1: honest with you, if I didn't even need a house,
Speaker 1: I would have passed on this thing. But it sits
Speaker 1: right up on the tree line, and we needed the
Speaker 1: house because my wife had gotten pregnant again. So we
Speaker 1: move in there, we fix it up a little bit.
Speaker 1: My parents come the second week that we're in there,
Speaker 1: and they're staying in our bedroom. And in our bedroom,
Speaker 1: it's right on the The bedrooms are right on the
Speaker 1: tree line to the rainforest, and in that room there
Speaker 1: is a window unit with air conditioning. We went out
Speaker 1: and bought one so that a way that would be
Speaker 1: comfortable and my wife would be comfortable during her pregnancy.
Speaker 1: And then we slept at my daughter's room just next door,
Speaker 1: and we had the window often. And it was around
Speaker 1: two o'clock at night. This was in the end of June.
Speaker 1: It was around two o'clock at night and my wife
Speaker 1: wakes me up and she goes did you hear that?
Speaker 1: And I said, no, I didn't hear. She goes, I
Speaker 1: think someone's outside. I said, I sit daring nobody outside,
Speaker 1: and she goes, well, something's outside. I said, there's a
Speaker 1: whole rainforest full of stuff outside, and she goes, she goes, no, no.
Speaker 1: So I go to lay back down, and I'm kind
Speaker 1: of a little little grauchy, you know. But as I'm
Speaker 1: laying back down, I heard what sounded like a clear,
Speaker 1: distinct whistle, and that caught my attention, because this is
Speaker 1: two in the morning. Was it was almost kind of
Speaker 1: like a the way a construction worker whistles, but not
Speaker 1: as high pitch, if that makes sense. So they caught
Speaker 1: my attention. And now I'm awake, wide awake, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: there's something out there. And then I could hear what
Speaker 1: sounded like a person walking away from the house. And
Speaker 1: I laid there for about another forty five minutes and
Speaker 1: I didn't hear anything. Then I'm not to back off
Speaker 1: to sleep, and so the next morning I get up
Speaker 1: and I go outside of my my parents. My dad,
Speaker 1: who's actually the chief police back home. He's been law
Speaker 1: enforcement for thirty seven years. I've never really seen anything
Speaker 1: bother this. You know, he's he's pretty solid, but when
Speaker 1: it comes to his family, so you know, he things
Speaker 1: can rattle him sometimes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I'm not.
Speaker 1: Saying he was rattled, but I could. I could tell
Speaker 1: there was a difference about his presence. When I went
Speaker 1: onto the porch. He was something had happened and something
Speaker 1: was different. And I asked him, I said, how did
Speaker 1: y'all sleep last night? And he said, well. She said,
Speaker 1: let's let's talk about that son, and he said, how
Speaker 1: is how is your night? First? And I said, well,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, kay Lee's my wife. I said,
Speaker 1: she woke me up and she says she heard banging
Speaker 1: or something, and I said, and then I told him
Speaker 1: the story and he goes, yeah, yeah. He said around
Speaker 1: what time was that? I said, you know, I told
Speaker 1: him it's about two o'clock in the morning. He said,
Speaker 1: he looks over at my step mom. He says, all right.
Speaker 1: He said that was the same time that we experienced something.
Speaker 1: And I asked him, I said, what did you experience
Speaker 1: and he said, well, he said, something came up to
Speaker 1: the side of the house there where your window unit
Speaker 1: is and started banging on it aggressively. And the window
Speaker 1: unit's about six and a half seven foot off the ground,
Speaker 1: and so I said, bang, he said yeah, he said
Speaker 1: it was just like a real hard core aggressive something
Speaker 1: hard was tapping on the window unit. And so I
Speaker 1: asked him, I said, did you have you been over
Speaker 1: to the side of the house yet? He said no,
Speaker 1: he said, we just came out here, you know, you
Speaker 1: just said, well, let's go over there, let's check it out.
Speaker 1: And as we walked over to the side of the house,
Speaker 1: we noticed that there was these seventeen inch tracks coming
Speaker 1: from the road, about three three and a half feet apart,
Speaker 1: roughly one in front of the other, and they came
Speaker 1: from the road and they came right up along the
Speaker 1: side of the house. And when we got up to
Speaker 1: where the window unit was, there was actually a rock
Speaker 1: that was about a half dollar size sitting on top
Speaker 1: of the window unit. Still something had picked a rock
Speaker 1: up off the ground and was deeping on it. And
Speaker 1: so that really was my first realization, was like, you
Speaker 1: know what I've you know, this whole time, we've had
Speaker 1: stuff kind of happened around the house. But I always
Speaker 1: thought it was like local wildlife, you know, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: rut there was the first realization that we're not dealing
Speaker 1: with a bear. Yeah, and then I thought, well, you know,
Speaker 1: it kind of makes sense because it's happening with the neighbors,
Speaker 1: and it's happening around the lake, why wouldn't it happen
Speaker 1: there at the house too. So that was really the
Speaker 1: first realization of what we were dealing with.
Speaker 2: So was the activity at that house fairly consistent.
Speaker 1: It's off and on that that I can tell you
Speaker 1: the end of June, the beginning of July seems to
Speaker 1: be uh active for us, and then in October and
Speaker 1: November seems to be pretty active. We get more vocals
Speaker 1: in October and November, and then it's just kind of
Speaker 1: sporadic throughout the year. Random. Uh. What I think is
Speaker 1: occurring is we we live near the mouth of a river,
Speaker 1: and I don't think they're visiting my house per se,
Speaker 1: but I think that it sits on a travel route,
Speaker 1: because when you follow the eyewitnesses that I talked to,
Speaker 1: you can actually start to see a pattern develop and
Speaker 1: I think I think that they're just passing through the
Speaker 1: property going down to the river during the salmon runs.
Speaker 1: But basically I think that's what they're what they're doing
Speaker 1: or whenever, the uh, freshwater clams because side of the
Speaker 1: lake that we live on, there's a lot on the
Speaker 1: on the beach there's a lot of freshwater clams there.
Speaker 1: So I think that that's what's occurring. And I think
Speaker 1: that as they're passing through sometimes they get curious and
Speaker 1: they stop. Because my house is the only one with children.
Speaker 1: I have two little girls, and then my wife. And
Speaker 1: then the person to my left is on the dead
Speaker 1: end I live on the dead end street. She's a widow.
Speaker 1: And then the person to my right is her mother. Uh,
Speaker 1: she was in her eighties, so there's really nobody, nobody
Speaker 1: else around and and I think we're just like you said,
Speaker 1: on their route, And I think occasionally they get kind
Speaker 1: of curious and are maybe you know, we're like entertainment.
Speaker 2: I guess what do you think their curiosity towards children
Speaker 2: is all about.
Speaker 1: I've thought about that long and hard. I think maybe
Speaker 1: just kind of an innocence about children. I guess maybe
Speaker 1: they're not as threatening. They're you know, they're smaller, especially
Speaker 1: u little girls. You know, they have the high pitched,
Speaker 1: squeaky voices. My daughter, she shortly after that incident happened
Speaker 1: at our house that she had an experience, and well,
Speaker 1: we both did at the same time. I actually came
Speaker 1: out of my bedroom. This was at ten o'clock at night,
Speaker 1: and I went to the kitchen to get a drink
Speaker 1: of water, and you know, we normally typically lay down
Speaker 1: ground nine thirty, ten o'clock, and she's in her room
Speaker 1: and so I'm getting I told you, we just moved
Speaker 1: into this house and it was a party house. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that they damaged was the kitchen window,
Speaker 1: and we so the kitchen window had to be replaced.
Speaker 1: It was busted out, and I had taken a piece
Speaker 1: of cardboard and placed up over the window until we
Speaker 1: could get the new window in. Because it was a
Speaker 1: size that it was, you couldn't just go pick it
Speaker 1: up at home depot. It had to be ordered, special ordered.
Speaker 1: So we were waiting on that. But as I was
Speaker 1: in the kitchen getting my drink of water, that cardboards
Speaker 1: started to flex inward towards me. And I had it taped,
Speaker 1: and I could hear the adhesive from the tape, you know, pulling,
Speaker 1: you know, crinkling, as whatever was on the other side
Speaker 1: was just it wasn't like real aggressive. It was just
Speaker 1: more like curiosity. And so I'm still not thinking Bigfoot,
Speaker 1: even though we had the activity, you know, the week before.
Speaker 1: I'm thinking bear again, you know, because we got a
Speaker 1: lot of bears out there. And so I'm watching this
Speaker 1: happen and I'm thinking, how quick can I get to
Speaker 1: my gun if this thing tries to come in the house.
Speaker 1: And around that time, my daughter comes running out of
Speaker 1: her room and she goes, I know you're trying to
Speaker 1: sneak on me. And I said what. She's seven years
Speaker 1: old at the time, and I said what And she said, yeah,
Speaker 1: you were trying to sneak on me. And I said,
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? And she said you you
Speaker 1: were outside my bedroom window, trying to sound like a
Speaker 1: like a zombie, doing some type of weird foreign language.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, like a.
Speaker 1: And I said I said no, I said, I'm right here.
Speaker 1: I'm in them. I said, I'm in my boxers, a
Speaker 1: drink of water. I'm not outside the house. And then
Speaker 1: then the realization I seen it hit her and she
Speaker 1: realized that I was telling her the truth. And I said, what,
Speaker 1: what did it sound like? She said, well, she said
Speaker 1: it sounded kind of, you know, like like Chinese talk,
Speaker 1: she said, But she said like a zombie. It was
Speaker 1: just gurgled and raspy kind of And that's when I
Speaker 1: realized that there had to be two of these things.
Speaker 1: One was talking to her at the same time, while
Speaker 1: one was playing with the cardboard. Because the minute she
Speaker 1: ran into the kitchen to say all that, whatever was
Speaker 1: on the other side of that cardboard stopped pushing on it,
Speaker 1: stopped flexing on it. So there's been other times where
Speaker 1: we've gone outside and it'll be in the evening time,
Speaker 1: and like, I'll go out there a couple of times,
Speaker 1: but the minute she comes out with me, there'll be
Speaker 1: like two extinct, clear whistles from the tree line. So
Speaker 1: it's one of those things. I don't know what the
Speaker 1: fascination is with children, but I think it's maybe an
Speaker 1: innocence to them. Yeah, maybe less less threatening.
Speaker 2: Now you said you moved into that house in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty one.
Speaker 1: The first house that we moved into was in twenty
Speaker 1: twenty one. Then in twenty twenty two we moved into
Speaker 1: the to the house next to the one that we're
Speaker 1: currently in, but they're right beside one another. It's the
Speaker 1: same property. As a matter of fact, they're so close
Speaker 1: that if I were to spit, I could hit the
Speaker 1: other one.
Speaker 2: Okay. So like we're going on basically three or four
Speaker 2: years now, and the activity has continued.
Speaker 1: And we actually managed to capture it on a ring camera,
Speaker 1: on a ring security footage camera, and that I was
Speaker 1: just recently on Expedition Bigfoot, and that video footage was
Speaker 1: shown on the Discovery channel.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I was going to ask you about that. So
Speaker 2: people don't just end up, you know, on Expedition Bigfoot.
Speaker 2: So how did that process work out?
Speaker 1: So there was a there was a guy in the chat,
Speaker 1: you know. I once I started researching a lot more
Speaker 1: and talking to witnesses and stuff, I would I would
Speaker 1: go into these group chats and I would add myself
Speaker 1: to them and kind of keep my eye out for
Speaker 1: like people talking about my area. Right, So this guy
Speaker 1: posted this thing and he said, is there is there
Speaker 1: anybody with a unique or interesting uh sasquatch story for
Speaker 1: the area that I live in? And so I messaged him.
Speaker 1: I said yeah, And it turned out it was a
Speaker 1: producer for one for the show. Oh okay, and I
Speaker 1: still didn't know. He said yeah, he said, well, we're
Speaker 1: looking to do just kind of like a small documentary thing,
Speaker 1: you know. They and I was like, like a YouTube
Speaker 1: thing and he's like yeah, and he's like sure. And
Speaker 1: then it wasn't until later on we got further on
Speaker 1: and we you know, I figured out it was actually
Speaker 1: Expedition Bigfoot. That was who I was talking to, and
Speaker 1: uh yeah, and then they came out to the house
Speaker 1: and Bryce Johnson came out there and we did a
Speaker 1: recreation of the the events and uh he interviewed me
Speaker 1: and they showed my video that I captured.
Speaker 2: So how did you get that video? What was going
Speaker 2: on at the time.
Speaker 1: So that was that video was actually put out the
Speaker 1: ring camera. My my parents came and then I told
Speaker 1: you they had the little experience with us, and then
Speaker 1: the event with my daughter that was just like a
Speaker 1: week after they left. And so I told my wife,
Speaker 1: I said, we we got to do something. I said,
Speaker 1: there's got to be way we you know, I said,
Speaker 1: do we still have the ring camera that we had
Speaker 1: when we were in Texas? Do we still have it
Speaker 1: boxed up somewhere? It was that one of the things
Speaker 1: that we left. She goes, no, it's boxed up somewhere.
Speaker 1: So I got to dig in and I found it
Speaker 1: in a box, and I set it back up again,
Speaker 1: and I put it actually on the side of the
Speaker 1: house facing the tree line.
Speaker 2: So you just stuck it to the side of the house.
Speaker 1: Well, I said, it on a porch that the my
Speaker 1: porch kind of wraps around on one side and the
Speaker 1: railing just before you enter the house. The railing, that
Speaker 1: railing faces the tree line down the side of the house.
Speaker 1: And so I actually I didn't even have it attached
Speaker 1: to the house. I just bettered on that railing. I
Speaker 1: just propped it up there facing at that tree line
Speaker 1: where we had been experiencing a lot of activity where
Speaker 1: they seemed to be coming and going from. And so
Speaker 1: I'd set it up, and I had it set for
Speaker 1: a person only. You know, you could set those things
Speaker 1: up for motion or for people. So I'd set it
Speaker 1: up just for people only, so it wouldn't go off
Speaker 1: like it's a cat or something dog ran by, you know.
Speaker 1: And I woke up one morning and I had a
Speaker 1: notification on my phone that is said person. So I
Speaker 1: clicked on it, and when I clicked on the video,
Speaker 1: I could really see that good what it was. I
Speaker 1: could see something coming around the corner of the house,
Speaker 1: and so I'd send it off to my father, who
Speaker 1: was able to get it cleaned up for me, and
Speaker 1: he got it back to me, and that's when we
Speaker 1: saw it. And it's standing right there in front of
Speaker 1: my bathroom window, and it's and it looks at the camera.
Speaker 1: It steps in the frame just for a second, but
Speaker 1: it's it's long enough for us to get a good
Speaker 1: look at it, and then it steps right back out
Speaker 1: and it's and it's gone. And so that was that.
Speaker 1: That was really kind of like wow, you know, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: we've seen the footprints, we've seen the you know, evidence
Speaker 1: around that they're visiting the house. We've seen things in
Speaker 1: misplaced outside, we've seen the rock on top of the
Speaker 1: window unit. But to actually see it on film, now,
Speaker 1: that's that was really mind blowing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I bet. And so like you sent this
Speaker 2: to your father, who got it cleaned up for you,
Speaker 2: like you were saying, so I would assume that he
Speaker 2: saw it before you. The person that cleaned it up
Speaker 2: saw it. What was his reaction to this?
Speaker 1: He was pretty mind blown too. They were all in shock.
Speaker 1: They were ready to load up and come back up
Speaker 1: here to Washington. We go hunting for Bigfoot. Actually they
Speaker 1: you know, they're sitting down there. They're like putting together
Speaker 1: a plan. Okay, now we got to now we know
Speaker 1: it's there. Now you know, there's no question, you know.
Speaker 1: And he actually said, you know, you said, if i'd
Speaker 1: seen this from someone else, you know, you always go, well,
Speaker 1: maybe I don't know, you know, But he said, you're
Speaker 1: my son, I know you. And he said I know
Speaker 1: that where I'm looking at is real. He said, I'm
Speaker 1: ready to come back. So he was pretty excited.
Speaker 2: So on the video, how much detail can you see?
Speaker 2: Can you tell what it is? Or is it just
Speaker 2: like a person shaped object or.
Speaker 1: No, you can you can tell what it what it is.
Speaker 1: It's you can't see like great detail. It's not a
Speaker 1: blob squatch, but it's it's a little more than a
Speaker 1: blob squatch or does that if that makes sense. You
Speaker 1: can see you can see the face, you can see
Speaker 1: that not in detail, like I said. You can see
Speaker 1: the chest, you can see the hand in the arm,
Speaker 1: you can see the legs, you can see where the
Speaker 1: knees are bending all the way down to the feet,
Speaker 1: and you can see both hands in the video. But
Speaker 1: it it comes around the house, it looks around the
Speaker 1: house two or three times and then it comes it
Speaker 1: very slowly. It doesn't it's not fast like Patty, you know,
Speaker 1: Patty's walking with a pace. This thing kind of creeps
Speaker 1: up a little bit and then it steps into frame
Speaker 1: just good enough to see that detail that just for
Speaker 1: like I said, one one frame, one second, and we
Speaker 1: were able to screenshop that and look at that and
Speaker 1: run it through a blue filter to bring it out
Speaker 1: and to bring the detail out a little bit better. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can definitely tell that it's not a bear. It's
Speaker 1: not it's not another person and whatever it is, it's
Speaker 1: above the uh, it's above the roof the eve of
Speaker 1: my house. So that makes the eve to the ground
Speaker 1: is nine foot four inches, so that would make this
Speaker 1: round ten foot tall. Wow roughly. Yeah, And so that
Speaker 1: was that was the first first video. And then we
Speaker 1: just recently back in two months ago, I got a
Speaker 1: video when I went out to so I worked with
Speaker 1: other researchers and they get them tips and they're like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know, try this, try that, you know. So one
Speaker 1: of the things that I've been doing for the past
Speaker 1: year now is feeding, trying to set bait out for
Speaker 1: them and I can tell you, and I know a
Speaker 1: lot of people say, I don't believe, but I don't
Speaker 1: know how these things know what cameras are. I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that it knows what a camera is, but something
Speaker 1: about cameras turn it off, and I have a theory
Speaker 1: on that. So but when I take the cameras away,
Speaker 1: they'll take things like food. They'll take plums. I can
Speaker 1: leave ten plums out for them on the side of
Speaker 1: the house, and they'll always leave four, which I kind
Speaker 1: of find amusing because there's four of us inside the house.
Speaker 1: So I don't know if that's the initial tamp or
Speaker 1: anything or what, but anytime you set ten plums out,
Speaker 1: there's always four left behind. I can set out corn,
Speaker 1: but it has to be fresh corn, still on the husk,
Speaker 1: and they will husk the corn right there beside the
Speaker 1: house and take the cob and all of the kernels.
Speaker 1: Shrimp also seems to be a big hit, but I
Speaker 1: can't really say that that's, you know, because all the
Speaker 1: shrimp's gone. I mean, anything could be coming up there
Speaker 1: eating the shrimp. But with the corn, you could say, okay,
Speaker 1: well that's I don't know of anything that's gonna husk
Speaker 1: it right. Raccoons and bears they'll shred the corn, they'll
Speaker 1: tear it apart. If a bear was coming up or
Speaker 1: a raccoon was coming up and eating the plums, I
Speaker 1: imagine that we take all of them, or it wouldn't
Speaker 1: leave consistently four behind. So that's one of the things.
Speaker 1: And one night when I out there to place my bait,
Speaker 1: I was placing some apples and some paris or some fruit,
Speaker 1: and I heard right as I went around the corner
Speaker 1: of my house, I'd heard. And I go out there
Speaker 1: at the same time consistently, because I try to keep
Speaker 1: a routine in case they're watching. I go around the
Speaker 1: corner of the house, and in the back corner of
Speaker 1: the property, I heard.
Speaker 2: A good sized tree fall over.
Speaker 1: Now there was no wind, there was nothing. We weren't
Speaker 1: having any rain that night. It was just a clear night,
Speaker 1: and so I thought that was really odd. So I
Speaker 1: walked over to the edge of the property and I'm
Speaker 1: looking and I didn't see anything. So I took the
Speaker 1: fruit that I had, and I was holding up in
Speaker 1: the headlight, and I was kind of just talking to
Speaker 1: the woods, you know, like all right, look, guys, this
Speaker 1: is what I brought you tonight, you know. So I
Speaker 1: go back and I'm placing my fruit out on the
Speaker 1: little table that I have beside the house, there between
Speaker 1: the house and the tree line, and I can hear
Speaker 1: something coming up right behind me, and it's just I
Speaker 1: can hear the brush popping and snapping, and I turn
Speaker 1: around and there's these two big red eyes looking back
Speaker 1: at me. I you know, I'd seen it with the
Speaker 1: headle lamp and it was reflective that the eyes were
Speaker 1: reflected from the from the light. And this is about
Speaker 1: seven foot off the ground and about forty forty five
Speaker 1: feet away. Wow. But when when I think it appeared
Speaker 1: at the time when I measured it out, it actually
Speaker 1: was around fifty two feet from me, but it seemed closer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And so this thing is staring at me and I'm
Speaker 1: and I actually managed to get it on film and
Speaker 1: I started recording it, and it it's just the eyes.
Speaker 1: The eyes, though, do this really unique thing. They are
Speaker 1: bright red. And then as they would turn, because off
Speaker 1: to my left, I could hear like brush also popping
Speaker 1: and snapping in like where that tree hit fell. But
Speaker 1: as it would turn to look in that direction, they
Speaker 1: would transition to like an amber and then too golden
Speaker 1: color when you see when you would catch the side
Speaker 1: of the eyes. And I've had this video looked up
Speaker 1: by several people, wildlife biologists. They they don't know what
Speaker 1: it is. They can't, you know, they can't they they
Speaker 1: can't figure it out. So that's that's exciting to me.
Speaker 2: It's a big foot, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's a big foot. And that's what
Speaker 1: I told him. I said, you know, there was no
Speaker 1: smell associated, and we we had this kind of weird standoff,
Speaker 1: you know, I and I'm trying to talk really calm
Speaker 1: to as a matter of fact, when I first I said,
Speaker 1: oh hey, I said how are you? And then I
Speaker 1: said some explicits under my broth, yeah, because I was
Speaker 1: not expecting that at all. And so we had this
Speaker 1: weird little stand off. And I can tell that it's
Speaker 1: definitely interested in what I'm doing. And so if we
Speaker 1: stood there, I recorded it think about five minutes what
Speaker 1: the video says, and I'm like, Okay, I gotta go.
Speaker 1: I gotta get back in the house because I didn't
Speaker 1: want to come off too threatening. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: I think this thing was I think it might have
Speaker 1: been a young one maybe interested in the food. And
Speaker 1: maybe there was and this is all speculation, you know,
Speaker 1: that maybe there was another one that was really upset
Speaker 1: that I had it in the headlamp and that's what
Speaker 1: was making all the brush pop and snap and tearing
Speaker 1: stuff up to my left. Or it might have been
Speaker 1: trying to distract me to let the other one get
Speaker 1: out of there. I don't know, you know, it's like again,
Speaker 1: that's all speculation.
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Speaker 2: to Matt. You said something that oh is so validating
Speaker 2: for me. If people have followed the podcast or know
Speaker 2: me personally and have talked to me over the years,
Speaker 2: you may have heard me talk about the famous incident
Speaker 2: that involved my best friend, who was skeptical of these
Speaker 2: things existing. He goes down to Texas with me and
Speaker 2: has a sighting, and I'm there and part of that
Speaker 2: sighting I've talked to people about me pointing a spotlight
Speaker 2: at one right as it was going to cross the
Speaker 2: road down a ways from us. It was trying to
Speaker 2: get away, and it was headed towards the tree line
Speaker 2: next to the road, and I knew it was going
Speaker 2: to try to cross the road, so I shined the
Speaker 2: spotlight down there, and I caught it in the spotlight.
Speaker 2: It was too far for me to see it, but
Speaker 2: I could see the eye shine through the tree limbs
Speaker 2: and everything, And as it turned its head away, the
Speaker 2: spectrum of color in the eye shine changed from red
Speaker 2: all the way to amber all the way to gold,
Speaker 2: and eventually to me looked almost like a teal color
Speaker 2: right before it went back into the shadows of the
Speaker 2: woods and I couldn't see it anymore. Yeah, I've told
Speaker 2: that story over the years. I I've tried to bush.
Speaker 2: You know, hey, guys, the you know, the eye color
Speaker 2: changed as it changed its angle to the light. And
Speaker 2: now here you are the first person I've ever talked
Speaker 2: to that has witnessed the same thing.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, I'll send you the video I have.
Speaker 1: I have the video. I only shared it with a
Speaker 1: few people and I haven't actually shared it publicly yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll send you that video and you can you can see.
Speaker 2: I'd love to see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is going on. And finally I decide, Hey,
Speaker 1: this thing has got to come to an end. We've
Speaker 1: I've got to get back in the house. I don't
Speaker 1: know what it's up to. So I slowly start backing
Speaker 1: off and I get to the corner of my house
Speaker 1: and I turn and I get within a few feet
Speaker 1: of the corner of my house, and I turn around,
Speaker 1: and as I hit the corner, I look back one
Speaker 1: last time. I had my headlamp on, and this thing
Speaker 1: now was not where it was in the bush, but
Speaker 1: it was right on a tree, this big tree, and
Speaker 1: it was it had its head popped out beside the tree,
Speaker 1: and it was looking right at me. I just remember
Speaker 1: seeing the big eyes and the The interesting thing to
Speaker 1: me was that I remember a little bit of a
Speaker 1: silhouette of the head, the shape. I don't really remember
Speaker 1: details about the face though, because I think I was
Speaker 1: just focused on the My eyes that's the main thing
Speaker 1: that really popped out to me. But it didn't have
Speaker 1: the big cone shaped head like you would see, you know,
Speaker 1: it had a little bit of a a There was
Speaker 1: a little bit of a cone there, but not like
Speaker 1: the you know, like you see on Patty or like
Speaker 1: you see on gorillas. This was more kind of like
Speaker 1: a cone like you would see on a chimpanzee. Just
Speaker 1: a slight, real dumb thing. So I thought, I remember that,
Speaker 1: and as it pulled its head back. But the minute
Speaker 1: my headlamp hit it that time, it ducked back behind
Speaker 1: the tree. I mean it was fast, it was just
Speaker 1: and then I decided to high tail it faster because
Speaker 1: I realized that it had done closed some ground pretty
Speaker 1: quickly on me. And I'm not even entirely sure that
Speaker 1: that maybe was another one that was just behind that tree,
Speaker 1: and I just never saw it the whole time, because
Speaker 1: I never heard it come up. I never heard it
Speaker 1: move anymore through the brush as I was backing off.
Speaker 1: I can tell you that a lot of times when
Speaker 1: I find footprints out there, typically if I look around enough,
Speaker 1: I'll find another set of tracks. So I don't believe
Speaker 1: that these things travel alone. I believe that they travel
Speaker 1: in groups of at least two.
Speaker 2: Any like aggressive type behavior that you've experienced.
Speaker 1: We had like passive aggressive stuff when we have guests
Speaker 1: that will come over and visit, like the experience with
Speaker 1: my father, you know, the banging on the window in it, right,
Speaker 1: And then we had we had one time. We had Uh.
Speaker 1: I was showing somebody the property one time because we're
Speaker 1: they're wanting to rent the house next to us, and
Speaker 1: so I'm showing them and we're talking. We're going over
Speaker 1: the paperwork on my porch, and all of a sudden
Speaker 1: in the tree line, I heard it sounded like a
Speaker 1: baseball back crack, and so you know, and then it
Speaker 1: happened again and again, and the guy stopped and he's
Speaker 1: looking at the woods now and he's looking at my
Speaker 1: tree line, and I'm just trying to ignore it because
Speaker 1: I'm like, how do you explain this?
Speaker 2: How do I disclose this in the lease?
Speaker 1: So he so here as we get we start going
Speaker 1: back over the paperwork again, and then three more times
Speaker 1: whack whack, whack, and he finally asked. He says, is
Speaker 1: He says, is there somebody in the woods there? And
Speaker 1: I don't know. I I why I said what I said,
Speaker 1: but it was just really stupid. I said, that's just
Speaker 1: a bird or something. I'm like, how do I explain
Speaker 1: that to someone?
Speaker 2: You know, we've got really big woodpeckers.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we got really big woodpeckers going on around there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, they ended up not getting the
Speaker 1: house anyways. But yeah, there was that, and then that's
Speaker 1: really about it as far as aggressive activity. I know,
Speaker 1: one night my daughter was she was washing dishes, and
Speaker 1: I've convinced my wife the only window that we have
Speaker 1: open with no curtains or no blinds or drapes is
Speaker 1: the kitchen window, and I've convinced her to allow me
Speaker 1: to leave that window on Dunce so the way they
Speaker 1: can see us in the kitchen if they're outside at
Speaker 1: nighttime in the forest, and because I'm hoping that we
Speaker 1: can get them more comfortable to come in closer to
Speaker 1: where maybe we can get that that really good piece
Speaker 1: some video footage or the evidence that we're looking for.
Speaker 1: So one night, my daughter was washing dishes, and where
Speaker 1: I was sitting, I had a clear sight of where
Speaker 1: she was and the window she there's a big kitchen
Speaker 1: window on Fernver that goes to the outside and that
Speaker 1: window at nighttime because there's no street light or no
Speaker 1: nothing on the outside, it's just you know, about forty
Speaker 1: feet and then you're in the forest. It's just solid black.
Speaker 1: It's got a glossy shine on it at nighttime because
Speaker 1: it's just reflecting the light inside the house. And so
Speaker 1: I look over at her, and she's doing her dishes,
Speaker 1: and I was watching TV. But when I looked over
Speaker 1: at her, I noticed that the window was kind of
Speaker 1: a smoky off color, kind of a it wasn't that
Speaker 1: black shine. But I didn't know quite what was. You know,
Speaker 1: you look at something and you you go, well, that's
Speaker 1: not quite right, you know, but you don't know what.
Speaker 1: You can't figure it out, you know. And so and
Speaker 1: I'm not even entirely sure it was something with the window.
Speaker 1: I was just I just knew that looking in there
Speaker 1: at her, something wasn't didn't look the way it was
Speaker 1: supposed to. And so I told her, I said, you know,
Speaker 1: I called her and I told her, I said, hey,
Speaker 1: I said, you you just stopped doing those dishes. I said,
Speaker 1: that's I'll take care of the rest of it. I said,
Speaker 1: you can go play if you want. She's said, okay, cool,
Speaker 1: you know, so she backs away and as she starts,
Speaker 1: as she turns around the back away from doing the dishes,
Speaker 1: he and she's coming towards me. The whole whatever whatever
Speaker 1: was outside had decided to move to the right, and
Speaker 1: I could see it. It took it. It filled up
Speaker 1: the whole window. But as it stepped away when she did,
Speaker 1: I could see it going across in that window were
Speaker 1: returning back to that black, glossy shine. And that's when
Speaker 1: I realized something had been standing right outside the window
Speaker 1: watching her.
Speaker 2: Do dishes, blocking the whole window.
Speaker 1: Yeah, blocking the whole window. And that that off color
Speaker 1: that I was seeing was the light from the kitchen
Speaker 1: going through the window hitting it. And that's why that's
Speaker 1: why the window looked different in different color. But as
Speaker 1: it moved, I could see it moving. You know, I
Speaker 1: couldn't tell you what body part was wet because it
Speaker 1: was so big, but I assumed that I was looking
Speaker 1: at maybe a torso area, and it just stepped to
Speaker 1: the side and then it was gone. But later on
Speaker 1: that night, we had just laid down to bed. We
Speaker 1: had been in there for not too long. I got up,
Speaker 1: I went to the bathroom. I come back and I
Speaker 1: lay down, and all of a sudden we heard like
Speaker 1: a real out pop sounds. Something hit the bed room,
Speaker 1: the outside of the bedroom, right where I laid my
Speaker 1: head down, actually, which and you know, we've always kept
Speaker 1: the curtains drawn. You know, there's no way this thing
Speaker 1: knows where I sleep or anything like that. But I
Speaker 1: think it does know which room where we're in, you know, based.
Speaker 1: I think they have a really good sense of smell.
Speaker 1: And so the next morning, I get up and I
Speaker 1: go outside and I'm looking and there was a probably
Speaker 1: like a tennis ball size rock that had popped the
Speaker 1: back of my house and busted a shingle right where
Speaker 1: I sleep. Wow. So I told my wife, I said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, the next way I come. Myfe said, did
Speaker 1: you find that? I told me. I said, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is what I found. I said. I think it might
Speaker 1: have been pissed off because I told her she could
Speaker 1: stop doing dishes, and maybe that was its little way
Speaker 1: of you know, the same Hey, that weren't cool, you know,
Speaker 1: but really that's about it. As far as like aggressive activity,
Speaker 1: we haven't really noticed anything wild off the charts.
Speaker 2: So I was just on a podcast recently as a guest,
Speaker 2: which is way out of the norm for me calling
Speaker 2: all beings shout out DJ and uh on there man.
Speaker 2: I hope DJ listens to this episode because you've done
Speaker 2: it again. So on that podcast, I mentioned that I've noticed,
Speaker 2: for some reason over the years, so many bigfoot sightings
Speaker 2: occur because they're looking in windows at houses, and it's
Speaker 2: always the kitchen window. It seems. For whatever reason, it
Speaker 2: always seems to be the kitchen window. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's just because houses are typically laid out where
Speaker 2: a lot of times kitchen windows face the back of
Speaker 2: the property and they're kind of higher up off the ground,
Speaker 2: and you've got a person standing right there at the
Speaker 2: window above the you know, the windows above the sink. Usually,
Speaker 2: I don't know what it is, but it always seems
Speaker 2: to be the kitchen window.
Speaker 1: Well, I think maybe you know, I you know now
Speaker 1: that you're talking about. When you go into house, typically
Speaker 1: the kitchen window is the one that just maybe might
Speaker 1: have like the little decorative drape around it. It doesn't normally,
Speaker 1: at least here in the States, right it doesn't. It's
Speaker 1: not typically covered or have a blind over it like
Speaker 1: the rest of the windows. Would in the house, and
Speaker 1: so maybe that's maybe that's why, you know. And two,
Speaker 1: you cook in there, so it could be a food thing.
Speaker 1: Associated you know, they're smelling foods, So I don't I
Speaker 1: don't know, but that could be two factors, two possible factors.
Speaker 2: You mentioned earlier that you have a theory about the cameras,
Speaker 2: and of course you're not the first person that's, you know,
Speaker 2: theorized that for some reason they know to avoid cameras
Speaker 2: even if they don't know what the camera's actually doing.
Speaker 2: So what are your thoughts on that, because obviously you
Speaker 2: caught one on the ring camera, So why did that
Speaker 2: one get caught?
Speaker 1: I think that when it got caught on the ring cameras,
Speaker 1: it's only about fifteen feet from that ring camera. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's pretty close when we captured what we captured on
Speaker 1: the ring, But as soon as it got close enough,
Speaker 1: it looked right at the ring camera, and the ring
Speaker 1: camera's little I had other objects out there on the porch,
Speaker 1: potted plants, decorative stuff, but it to me, it looked
Speaker 1: like it looked right at that camera and then boom
Speaker 1: backed off and left and one of the things that
Speaker 1: So when I was in working for Texas Department of
Speaker 1: Criminal Justice. I had contacted our One of the things
Speaker 1: that I was curious about when I first started all
Speaker 1: this research that I remembered was that we use dogs
Speaker 1: to find cell phones in prison facilities. And so one
Speaker 1: of the things that I was curious about was how
Speaker 1: do they How did the dogs know what are they
Speaker 1: looking for? How do they know to hit on a
Speaker 1: cell phone but not other electrical devices that you know,
Speaker 1: inmates would have in their cell like radios and whatever else.
Speaker 1: And so I called up my kennel sergeant and I
Speaker 1: asked them. I said, hey, I said, how do you
Speaker 1: you know? I never really thought about it, you know,
Speaker 1: I was just called you guys when I needed you.
Speaker 1: But how do those dogs know to look for cell phones?
Speaker 1: And they said, Well, in the camera, he said, in
Speaker 1: all the smartphones now in the in the cameras, they
Speaker 1: use a chemical called nobium oxide, he said. And it's
Speaker 1: it's always you know, Uh, it's in your game cameras,
Speaker 1: it's in your cell phone cameras, any camera. I said, really,
Speaker 1: he said, And that's what we trained the dogs to
Speaker 1: hit on, is that chemical nobium oxide. And so that
Speaker 1: really kind of stuck out to me, and I thought, well,
Speaker 1: maybe there's something to this nobium oxide, you know, because
Speaker 1: we could say, Okay, you could say, well, it's human
Speaker 1: sent that scares off them. I could get the human
Speaker 1: scent if you put up a game camera out in
Speaker 1: the in the woods. You know, I could see that,
Speaker 1: you know. But how do you explain it when it's
Speaker 1: at somebody's house, right, and there's human scent all around
Speaker 1: the house, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and there's constantly changing objects and everything else.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was it? And it's like that this is
Speaker 1: just a theory, But I think that there are certain
Speaker 1: chemical components used to make cameras that might that these
Speaker 1: things might be sensitive to, especially if they have if
Speaker 1: they have a really great sense of smell, if anything
Speaker 1: like a grizzly bear or greater, you know, then it's
Speaker 1: not unreasonable to think that there's certain things that could
Speaker 1: turn them off almost act like a repellent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it could just be a situation where it's
Speaker 2: not even necessarily the acute sense of smell. Maybe it's
Speaker 2: just something that they're particularly sensitive to that we don't know.
Speaker 2: But that's a really interesting theory and I'm definitely gonna
Speaker 2: deep dive that immediately because that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: And I never thought about the the training of the
Speaker 2: dogs for the cell phones and anything like that. It
Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's what they're that's what they're looking for. And
Speaker 1: so I just kind of when he told me that,
Speaker 1: I was like, hmm, maybe you know, uh, you know,
Speaker 1: it's funny because I've put game cameras up out in
Speaker 1: the field, out in the woods, and we actually you know,
Speaker 1: you even try to conceal them and hide them the
Speaker 1: best you can, and like Elk will come right up
Speaker 1: and sniff them. Yeah, it's just you know, you could,
Speaker 1: like I said, there's a whole lot of things that
Speaker 1: you could say. You know, no matter how good you
Speaker 1: try to hide that stuff, it seems like the locals
Speaker 1: always seem to find it. And but when it's up
Speaker 1: on your house, how do they you know, you know,
Speaker 1: especially for since so sus something I found interesting, something
Speaker 1: that I kind of look at right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So you're working on a book project.
Speaker 2: What's the focus of that going to be?
Speaker 1: So the book is basically it's what I've done is
Speaker 1: I've taken all the reports that I've been collecting over
Speaker 1: the last four years from my area. It's called the
Speaker 1: Sasquatches of Grace Harbor County, and I've taken the eyewitness
Speaker 1: reports and I've turned them, you know, because when you
Speaker 1: read reports and like the you know, certain groups, it
Speaker 1: gets kind of monogamous, it gets kind of boring because
Speaker 1: they're all kind of the same. So I've taken it
Speaker 1: and I've taken their reports and I've turned them into
Speaker 1: campfire stories. But you can go back in the back
Speaker 1: of the book and reference the actual reports, so you'll
Speaker 1: be able to see exactly what took place. And so
Speaker 1: that's what I've done a little different with this book,
Speaker 1: and it's just the locals and their their accounts.
Speaker 2: And when is that going to be available.
Speaker 1: Well, it's hopefully next month. It's going to go off
Speaker 1: to the publishers and we'll be having it pretty quickly.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, so I'm hoping before summer we'll have
Speaker 1: it out.
Speaker 2: And then you've got the Yakima Bigfoot Conference coming up.
Speaker 1: You said, yes, yeah, So I'm going to be speaking
Speaker 1: in at the accommendation at the at the Legends Casino
Speaker 1: October twenty fourth and twenty fifth as a guest speaker
Speaker 1: for that Bigfoot conference.
Speaker 2: And any previews as to what you're going to talk about.
Speaker 1: There, Urban sask Watches, That's what I'm going to talk about.
Speaker 1: It seems that in my research one of the things
Speaker 1: that I've find consistently is that you know, a lot
Speaker 1: of times, you know, people go out into you know,
Speaker 1: on the TV shows, they go out into the into
Speaker 1: the woods and they find sasquatch. But that's not so
Speaker 1: much the case. It seems like these things are coming
Speaker 1: up to small rural communities, uh, and that they might
Speaker 1: actually possibly be thriving just on the outside of it
Speaker 1: of these of these little communities. And so I think
Speaker 1: that a lot of times we might be looking for
Speaker 1: sasquatch in the wrong place, and really we need to
Speaker 1: look closer to our own homes.
Speaker 2: I mean, case in point, your property. Yeah, my first
Speaker 2: sighting actually took place in a parking lot. So I'm
Speaker 2: a big proponent of the urban sasquatch theory.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that's I think they've learned to
Speaker 1: adapt and survive just on the outskirts of our society
Speaker 1: and in small rule communities, you know. Not I'm not
Speaker 1: saying you're gonna find one, you know, out skirts of
Speaker 1: Los Angeles. But you know, I don't know. I'm open
Speaker 1: to I hear a lot of different theories and stuff.
Speaker 1: I have my own. I'm in the realm that it's
Speaker 1: a flesh and blood creature just from the things that
Speaker 1: I've seen and the things that I've experienced. But I'm
Speaker 1: open to all the possibilities as the data comes in,
Speaker 1: you know, I'm open to change and adapt.
Speaker 2: Well, that's what I was going to ask you before
Speaker 2: we finish off here. I mean, it's, you know, the
Speaker 2: question everybody asked, the question everybody wants to know, and
Speaker 2: the question nobody has the answer to. But at this point,
Speaker 2: what do you think they are?
Speaker 1: I honestly that that is a good question. I I
Speaker 1: don't have an answer for that. I you know, I
Speaker 1: think that. So what I can tell you is that
Speaker 1: being the way people move and the way people will
Speaker 1: try to avoid other people, this thing definitely does not
Speaker 1: act like your typical wildlife, right, So, I, you know,
Speaker 1: to say it's a primate, I think it's a little
Speaker 1: bit more than a primate. I'm not going to say
Speaker 1: that it's that they're type of people, but maybe maybe
Speaker 1: a mix, you know, we know that humans are crossbred
Speaker 1: with Neanderthals, right, So is it is it unreasonable to
Speaker 1: say that maybe, you know, like a rella commonly didn't
Speaker 1: crossbreed with a a species of primate or something. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Uh. I don't necessarily believe that it's like
Speaker 1: gigantic pithecus, like a lot of people say or or
Speaker 1: believe that's a common theory. I think that it has
Speaker 1: intelligence like you and I do, in the aspect that
Speaker 1: it's able to avoid detection. It's intelligent enough to know
Speaker 1: where to go h and and how to stay just
Speaker 1: in the shadows to avoid people.
Speaker 2: I mean, just case in point, you know the ring
Speaker 2: camera incident. Well, like you said, whatever the reason be,
Speaker 2: after it figured out it was there or sow it
Speaker 2: or whatever, it backed away and took cover again. Compared
Speaker 2: to the other example you gave of like an elk
Speaker 2: coming up and sniffing a game camera, the thing didn't
Speaker 2: come up and sniffed the camera or anything. It acted
Speaker 2: like a person.
Speaker 1: I've even seen, like I followed these things through the woods,
Speaker 1: track these things through the rainforest there around on the
Speaker 1: outskirts of my property, and I've seen where they'll go
Speaker 1: to step like in a soft spot, like a muddy spot,
Speaker 1: and they'll retract their footback and then they'll continue on
Speaker 1: the more solid ground just to you know. And I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's that they're trying to conceal their
Speaker 1: prints or maybe if it's just a preference that they
Speaker 1: prefer harder substreet compared to soft substreet, but it's something
Speaker 1: that I've noticed, or like when they go through a
Speaker 1: through a marsh, you know, you can see the transference
Speaker 1: from where they where they will step on logs to
Speaker 1: avoid stepping into the mud. Right they'll cross the marsh,
Speaker 1: you'll see the transference from the moss from the log
Speaker 1: to another log. And so I always found that interesting
Speaker 1: that they will do things like that, or they'll avoid
Speaker 1: certain areas until certain certain specific time frames, you know,
Speaker 1: in the in the evening, they seem to like to
Speaker 1: come around in close to the houses between that midnight
Speaker 1: to three o'clock in the morning range, opposed to other
Speaker 1: hours when they when they know that people are going
Speaker 1: to be up and about, you know, they they like
Speaker 1: and they like to know that everybody's going to be
Speaker 1: good in a sleep before they come in. So you know,
Speaker 1: in that aspect they kind of operate much the way
Speaker 1: a person would trying to avoid detection.
Speaker 2: Right back in my research days, we would see where
Speaker 2: they would step on rocks to avoid leaving tracks, especially
Speaker 2: around creek beds and things like that, and other people
Speaker 2: have described actually witnessing this. I've never witnessed it personally,
Speaker 2: but hopping from tree to tree, like staying at the
Speaker 2: base of the tree where the root balls are and
Speaker 2: everything to kind of avoid the soft ground in between
Speaker 2: the trees.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've heard of something similar.
Speaker 2: I don't know too many animals that aren't that self
Speaker 2: aware and go to those links to conceal that they're around.
Speaker 2: And the only thing I can think of, the only
Speaker 2: thing that they would need to conceal themselves from is us,
Speaker 2: and that would require an extreme amount of forethought to
Speaker 2: be going through those steps to avoid us in specific.
Speaker 1: You know, I've talked to a lot of the different
Speaker 1: native tribes here in the Olympics, and I've developed a
Speaker 1: really good relationship with a lot of them, and there's
Speaker 1: you know, one of my friends told me they said
Speaker 1: that they are just you know, and this is his
Speaker 1: He said that they're just disgusted with people in general,
Speaker 1: that they are curious about us, but at the same
Speaker 1: time they're just disgusted. They don't want us to be
Speaker 1: aware of their presence, and so I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just kind of find that interesting that they're willing to
Speaker 1: come in close enough to to see what we're doing,
Speaker 1: but at the same time avoid us. It's such great links.
Speaker 2: Well, Matt, I appreciate you coming on here and sharing
Speaker 2: some of your stories and some of your insight on
Speaker 2: the subject. And man, it's an open invite. Anytime you
Speaker 2: want to come back. I'd love to have you.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you. I appreciate that it's been it's been
Speaker 1: a blast. I've had a good time.
Speaker 2: Check out the website big at crossroads dot com. You
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Speaker 2: Everything you need all in one place. And until next time,
Speaker 2: remember there's something in the woods.