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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio here on
the Dark Matter Radio Network.
Speaker 2: I'm your host, Mark.
Speaker 1: Johnson, and joining me in our executive producer, coming all
the way across the pond from Lovely Wales, UK, Miss
Irene Alan Block. How are you tonight, Irene?
Speaker 4: I'm fine, Mark, very tired, but I'm fine.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's only one o'clock in the morning, there isn't it.
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, And by how we finished, it'll be three o'clock.
But how might get the dogs to settle down at
before o'clock before I climb into bait and then I'll
be up at six o'clock that's when the dogs wake up.
Speaker 1: And then when your husband calls you tomorrow and he
asks you, why are you so tired and cranking? Just say,
all those American blokes get me up all night again.
Speaker 4: No, I'll just say Mark kept me up.
Speaker 2: Just just blame it on me, okay.
Speaker 4: Blame everything on you.
Speaker 1: Well, well, well, doesn't everybody want to do a shout out?
Our co host Bruce Pearson unfortunately, is not able to
join us tonight. I believe right now he's on the
road somewhere coming through around Providence, Rhode Island. He was
delayed getting back home and not able to join us.
But hey, Bruce, if you're listening, if you're in a good,
safe area, you got a hands free device, feel free
to call into the show whenever you want, Okay, especially
with that long drive ahead, you know we'll patch.
Speaker 2: You in that way.
Speaker 1: But in the meantime, you know, we've got a great
show tonight. We've got a great guest we'll be bringing
on here in just a few minutes.
Speaker 2: I just want to mention that.
Speaker 1: We were coming into the fall now, and I don't
know about anybody else. I know the Southwest has really
been getting hit with brutal hot weather, but it's actually
cold and rainy today and all the leaves are starting
to turn. It's not even it's what's today, September tenth,
and the leaves are starting to turn. So I have
a funny feeling we're going to get our butts kicked
again with more deep snow. At least that's what the
Old Farmer's Almanac is calling for more bad snow this winter.
And you know, I think those farmers need to be
fired myself. But go grow some crops. What are you
writing about the weather fork or grow some crops instead.
A lot of things in the news this week too,
you know, you know, And I'm not going to.
Speaker 2: Really touch on it.
Speaker 1: What I'm going to really point out the fact is
in social media there is and I mean you you
can you can talk about this as well too. There
has been such a change in social media, especially you know,
in the paranormal circles, but just in general, the amount
of vitriol and division that is going on out there
in the paranormal community, fighting between people, bullyingching, backbiting, bitching, bullying,
you know all this, and you know, and anymore, if
anybody uses a term paranormal unity, uh, they get laughed
at because it's it's so nasty out there these days,
and you know, it.
Speaker 4: Doesn't exist anymore, doesn't No.
Speaker 2: No, and I think unity.
Speaker 1: But if you really want to look at it in general,
what's going on out there, it's gone beyond the paranormal
because right now here in the States, we're getting ready
for a new presidential election, and the division and the
hate among.
Speaker 2: Parties right now is so bad.
Speaker 1: It's like everywhere you look, there's hate and division, hate
and division everywhere, people pointing fingers. You know, you have
the far right and then you have the far left,
and those of us who fall like squarely in the
middle are kind of getting pummeled by both sides. It's
like I just wanted to like reach out there and
just start smacking people walking down the street and just
start smacking people and say knock it off, just to
wake people up. I don't know, it's what do you
think is really causing all this lately? Is it because
this oversaturation of instant media where everybody can view their thoughts,
you know, spew their thoughts and opinions immediately, you know,
with no filter. Do you think that's that's what's causing
the problem, or do you think we've really reached an
age where this is where the human race is coming to. Yes,
I was asking you, I I've got no idea.
Speaker 4: All I can think about is that maybe in the
paranormal world. So quite a few people picked up the
wrong attachments. But on the political side, well aren't they
all like kids that are at times?
Speaker 1: Let's face it, Well, yeah, politics has been going down
the tubes for us.
Speaker 4: I totally ignore politics. You know, after once they started
to broadcast over here Parliament on the television and I
saw how childish it was all you know, everything that
was going on in there, with all the head nodding
and the jeering and people sleeping in the seats. That
was the end of politics for me. I didn't even
know you were going to have an election.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, our president is on his way out. This
is his last year. So now we have a whole
slew of other idiots trying.
Speaker 4: To answers a lot for what's going on around the world.
And if he's on his way out.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you know, I'm one of the few people
who's glad he's getting out. And that's not, you know,
a political statement, it's just as you know, he hasn't
done nothing for this country. Of course, I didn't like
the last idiot either, And now we have people like
Trump out there who's really stirring things up. And you know,
I got a hand it to Donald Trump. The man
is the best internet troll out there running for president.
He knows how to say things that he absolutely knows
is going to stir stuff up and get everybody all upset,
and he's loving every minute of it. And people are
falling for this. You know, do I think he can
be a good president?
Speaker 2: Oh hell no. But you have to admit it's.
Speaker 1: Fairly entertaining compared to what everybody else is doing.
Speaker 2: But I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's just, you know, we've been screwed, for my opinion,
in the last sixteen years, and looks like we're going
to be screwed for the next four if any of
these idiots get in.
Speaker 2: But what can you do.
Speaker 1: We just keep biding our time until maybe some other
real change can come along.
Speaker 2: Anyway, that's enough of my bitching and complaining, and we're
going to get into our show tonight.
Speaker 1: Now we've got a great guest.
Speaker 2: Yeah, good idea. We got a great guest tonight.
Speaker 1: And it's a subject that it's a subject that really
interested to discuss. People have heard a long time about,
you know, secret government.
Speaker 2: Bases, and there is one.
Speaker 1: That's purported to be out on the edge of Long Island,
out on Montalk, Long Island that has been active for
many years, and there's always big secrets about what's going
on out there. Well, tonight, our guest his name is
Christopher Garnetto, and Christopher is the director of a documentary
film called The Montalk Chronicles. So, Christopher, welcome to the program.
Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Can you hear me?
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, you're a little overmodulated, so you need to
turn your microphone down a little bit.
Speaker 5: Okay, you know if I have the option to do that.
Speaker 2: Oh, you're actually you're perfect. You're perfect right there. You
sound really good. So we're good to go.
Speaker 1: So Christopher, thank you for being on the show. And
so we wanted to ask you, first of all, to
tell us a little bit about your background, to tell
the audience about how you became a filmmaker and how
you got into this subject on the mon Talk Experiments.
Speaker 5: Well, I've been a filmmaker all my life. I turned
forty next year, and my interest primarily began with the
paranormal when I was a little kid. I had an
extensive book collection, you know, in the early eighties, on
everything I could get my hands on. And at that time,
of course, there wasn't a conspiracy hungry, you know, group
of people with a voracious appetite around the world for
you know, a conspiracy about every little thing that happened
in the world.
Speaker 3: Mainly we had, you know.
Speaker 5: Some basic groups of paranormal occurrences that included UFO sightings,
haunted houses, you know, psychic abilities, and cryptozoological appearances. So
those are the things I was really into as a kid.
You'd flash forward, I guess a little bit. After film
school I started shooting my first film, which was called
Horror Business. It was a documentary about four independent horror
filmmakers trying to break into the business. And within that
group of people there was a the man who was
conspiracy obsessed. Before it became in vogue on the internet,
I mean at the time, it was around two thousand
and two, and.
Speaker 3: It still wasn't it's huge. It's I mean, it's enormous.
Speaker 5: Now it seems to be just oversaturated in abundance. It
seems to be what everybody is concerned about, that everything
is conspiratorial, that everything that's being done is bakery and trickery.
But at that time, it wasn't like that, and it
was very new and fresh to me. And his name
was John Brodie, and he suggested because he knew I
was from New York and he knew that I spent
my summers in Montak as a kid. I kind of
befriended him when I was filming horror business, and he
suggested that I make a movie about the Montalk project
as we knew it back then, and I was interested
in making a paranormal docudrama. And I had a completely
different idea in my mind, and I wasn't interested.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 5: I knew of it, and I had read the very
early book by Preston Nichols, and I just wasn't convinced
that this happened. It seemed like a very thinly laid tale.
But what interested me at that time was the prospect
of visiting the men who had been telling that story
for well over twenty years at the time, and the
fact that I'd get to sit down with them and
look them in the eyes and record them in their
own homes, uninhibited interviews where it was basically just me
or one other person to help, not a studio crew
where we would make them feel uncomfortable and tell them
how to sit and how to speak.
Speaker 3: So it started there. That was my interest, and that
was in six.
Speaker 1: So you started, did you started filming the documentary in six?
How long did it take you to complete? Well?
Speaker 3: I made two documentaries.
Speaker 5: The one that's out right now I started in twenty
thirty team and completed in mid to late twenty fourteen.
The one that I started in six was completed in
late twenty eleven, and I literally went back and reshot
everything except Alfred Bielick's interviews because he passed away in
twenty eleven. But I just felt I wasn't getting deep
enough into the story, and I felt it was way
too personal. And I did show it around a couple
of festivals and a few venues throughout twenty twelve. Actually,
the very first screening of the first Montauk version was
shown in a Smoking Gun Research Agency library in Connecticut.
It was like a paranormal library in December of twenty eleven.
That was the first screening. But I just felt I
needed to I needed to go back, and I needed
to ask more questions and.
Speaker 3: I was just really obsessed with it.
Speaker 5: By the time I had finished the first version, I
felt like I could do better, and I went back
into it again in January of twenty thirteen.
Speaker 1: Now the subject of the Montague Project and the station
out in Long Island. You know, there's a fence up
there now it all looks abandoned, and yet for at
least twenty years, if not longer, it was. It's been
reported to have been home to a variety of different experiments,
some fairly horrific. Were you able to find out in
your research how that station started became what it was,
What was the genesis of them starting to use that
location for conducting secret experiments?
Speaker 5: Well, you first have, if it's an honest perspective, which
is what I wanted from the beginning, you have to
begin at the place that I did, where I knew
at that point, at my starting point, there wasn't any hard,
factual or tangible evidence to prove what we were just discussing.
Speaker 3: You know that there wasn't. This was all speculation.
Speaker 5: And there were literally three men, actually four including Duncan Cameron,
that were telling that story.
Speaker 3: All three of those men are in my movie.
Speaker 5: So what better way to investigate than to first begin
to speak to those men and listen to their stories,
because that's all we had to go on, and that's
all we have really to go on right now, except
at this point there are a lot of other people
coming out saying they were part of it. The three men,
Alfred Bielick, Preston Nichols, and Stuart Swidlow are the men
who put this story out into the world. They're the ones.
The three men in my picture telling the tale are
the guys, are the reason why we're talking about this,
and I felt it necessary to first hear their tales.
And then the other part of my investigation was to
visit the base and spend an enormous amount of time
there searching the base to try to find any evidence
of what they were talking about. And that consisted of
me going to the Montauk Library archives and searching through
those and reading through every article and interviewing locals. And
I spent an enormous amount of time just conducting my
own research because I wanted to find out if there
was any tangible evidence, and what I got in the
end were a great collection of stories from a lot
of different people who I feel some of which are
quite credible, but Alfred Bulick, Stuart Swerdlow, and Preston Nichols
claim that between nineteen seventy one and nineteen eighty three
there were after the Air Force moved out, there were
secret experiments in a lab that was located deep beneath
the surface of Camp Hero where in fact, Alfred Bulick
claims the way they traveled to that lab, let's say,
from Brookhaven Labs, which was further west to the Montac base,
was not above ground in a car, but in an
underground railway, and that's how Preston Nichols and Alfred Bilick
say they got to the base itself. Stuart's Werdlow claims
that he was one of the boys that were kidnapped
for the experiments, because according to these men, that was
the core of the experimentation. It was really a mind
control experiment, and there were allegedly extraterrestrials down there, and
there was allegedly a time travel experiment. But at its core,
they say, there were runaway kids that were kidnapped for
the purposes of a mass mind control experiment, and these
were the early designs of that, the testing of that
over the thirteen year period, and they say they kidnapped
runaway because of course they wouldn't be missed, they were
already missing, and that if anything happened to them, they're expendable.
And this was the perspective that Alfred Bielick and Preston
Nichols and Stuart's word low claim was of the group
that ran this entire experiment.
Speaker 1: Now, in your documentary, which I did have the opportunity
to watch, and it was very good and very compelling,
is the fact that the things that were happening here.
It's mind boggling to think that this happened here on
US soil, that our military or people within our government
was actually kidnapping American citizens to experiment with. And I
believe you mentioned in the documentary, or at least the
gentleman that you had interviewed that at the end of
World War two is part of a project paper Clip.
The US briant in a lot of these Nazi scientists
that were part of their rocket program and some of
their other secret weapons programs to come and work for
the US, and a lot of those on the rocket
program went to work for NASA what would become NASA,
you know, But then there were other experiments as well,
especially some of the horrible experiments conducted by Joseph Mingley
and people of his ilk and that those type of
Nazis were actually working.
Speaker 2: With the US government on some of these programs. Is
that true?
Speaker 5: Well, I, well, yes it is, because here's the thing.
At first, I had the same sentiments that you do
that I found it hard to believe that the US
government would do that to their own people. However, if
you do your research and look up the Tuskegee experiments
or mk Ultra, you will find that that very thing
did happen. We have evidence for it, and it will
It's astonishing. It changes everything, and it changed everything for me.
So once I think, I started to consider what was
being told to me more.
Speaker 3: And started to look into it deeper.
Speaker 5: And that's a big reason why I made a second film,
and why I kind of remade the entire movie is
because once I started to research the things that we
can prove, like the Tuskegee experiments and the mk Ultra experiments,
I started to realize that anything was possible. After reading
about those things, and if you know about those things,
this was our US government that was taking our US citizens,
Let's say, for in the case of the Tuskegee experiments,
unbeknownst to them, under false pretenses, injecting them with a
horrible disease, lying to them and telling them they were
giving them medical care, and then monitoring them to see
what the disease did over time.
Speaker 3: This is disgusting.
Speaker 5: And this was admitted to not only those experiments, but
the mk Ultra experiments to a degree by Bill Clinton
in nineteen ninety five because there were congressional hearings regarding
mk Ultra and the so called radiation experiments, and there
was too much pressure put on Congress, so they had
to admit to something. And the way they did it
was they passed the book. They said that, well, it
wasn't us, it was them. And back then they were
being very American and they were strange groups and all
this stuff. But during the time of those strange groups.
Guess what else was happening, or possibly was happening that
a lot of people believe was happening was the Montak project.
And if you read about mk Ultra and you read
about the Tuskegee experiments, it's much easier to believe that
something happened at Campiro and there. Now there are a
lot of people saying they were part of it, and
I personally, over time, I feel that something did happen there.
I don't know, and we can't prove, of course, all
of the things they're saying. I mean, I can't sit
here and support one hundred percent someone said saying that
they traveled back in time or they traveled to Mars,
because I personally don't know. But there have been credible
people like Gordon Cooper, one of our you know wright stuff,
you know, astronauts, claiming that he was going to be
part of a time travel experiment. And this was a
very serious thing that he was talking about. So I
think the further you research into these things, more believable
these things become, or even you know, further research into
quantum physics, I mean, like you know, it starts to
open your mind to the possibilities and it no longer
is science fiction anymore. It's science fact or very possible.
And that's that's where I'm at now. And that's where
I was at the very beginning of the movie that's
out in the world right now, the one.
Speaker 3: That's called Montak Chronicles.
Speaker 5: I felt like I needed to retell it because I
really did have a I guess what they call a
paradigm shift, because I felt like my perspective changed.
Speaker 2: With the with all of these experiments that took place.
Speaker 1: And again, it's it's horrible to think that we had
Americans doing this to fellow Americans, both with what happened
at Montauk, the mk Ultra and the Tuskegee experiments, and
the experimentation that the US government did going from the
nineteen fifties all the way into fairly recently. People sit
there and they look at what happened back in World
War Two, and they look at the horrible things the
Nazis did, or even some of the other atrocities that
happened across the world, and yet they always seem to
look at it and say, well, it'll never happen here,
Our government will never do.
Speaker 2: It to us.
Speaker 1: And yet here that you know, Congress was pressured enough
that they came out and mostly admitted that yeah, it
did happen, and it got swept under the rug, and
nobody talks about it. Nobody U asked every you know,
Joe Q citizen on the street. They have no idea
this stuff happened, and because.
Speaker 2: That's how whitewashed it is.
Speaker 1: And the fact is, people who delude themselves to think
that this can't happen here, they are delusional because they
can and they will do things like that.
Speaker 2: They've proven they can do this to us, and they've
done some.
Speaker 1: Horrible things, some of the things that you were mentioning
in the documentary about what they were doing to these kids.
I mean, could you talk a little bit about that.
Speaker 5: Sure, well, again, you know, it hasn't been proven. But
what Stuart's Wordlow who claims to that he was one
of the boys that was brought into the program against
his will. I mean, they did everything from you know,
drugging them heavily and implanting imagery and trigger images and
trigger words in their minds to be later used as
Manchurian type assassins, or there were programs and exercises to
heighten their psychic abilities. Apparently they're a good deal of
them were used in time traveler experiments because I guess
if it did happen, and from their perspective, they're getting
these boys.
Speaker 3: For free, or at least in the.
Speaker 5: Beginning, they're human subjects, not ape, you know, not simian
and not animal subjects, so they would really see how
these experiments would work on a human being. And I
you know, at the time, I guess they weren't considering
getting volunteers because it was so covert and we're just
saying this hypothetically if it's true, and I'm trying to
get inside the head of this group. But it goes
much deeper than that, because there are a lot of
theories involved that if you are to believe that the
Montauk experiments happen, then you have to believe that everything
that's been put in front of us. Also, our history
to a great extent has been kind of fabricated and
we've been lied to because there's there's this like hidden
world history within the concept of the Montac experiments, that
the alien species that were down there were working in
unison with the humans down there, and that there's a
long history of deception. So most of what we know
is part of that deception. And it's just so much,
you know, after a while being immersed in it day
after day working on the first version of this movie,
I really started to go nuts because I you know,
I started to believe it and I'm not saying it's
not true.
Speaker 3: I certainly don't want to believe it.
Speaker 5: I can tell you that much, even to this moment,
because if you're going to believe in any of this,
I mean, it really means we're in kind of we're
in big trouble. Because if it was happening, then I
can assure you that something is happening now. And it's
a lot to consider. You know, when I was a
kid and I was studying SASQUATSH sightings and UFO sidings,
it was exhilarating and you know, terrifying.
Speaker 3: In a sense that it was exciting.
Speaker 5: But getting into this subject matter is terrifying and not
so exciting because you start to realize, wow, wait a second,
this might be true. And if it's true, then you
need to know the details because it's horrific, and then
it would affect everybody in the world.
Speaker 1: Basically, there are things to take into consideration. There are millions,
literally millions of people who vanish without a trace in
this country every year.
Speaker 2: David Polides talks about.
Speaker 1: That in his books Missing for One to One, and
other authors have touched on this subject as well. A
lot of people who vanish in our national parks without
a trace.
Speaker 2: I mean, even the National Park.
Speaker 1: Service keeps a hidden record of you know, all the
people who go missing in the parks, but they won't
share it with the public.
Speaker 2: They even try to deny they have it, but they
have it.
Speaker 1: And you know people who just go missing for no reason.
You have street people who no one will miss. And
you know, people get they vanish and without a trace,
and after a while, life just goes on and people
move on and forget about them, and you wonder where
are these people going now. Sometimes you know, some people
look at the more wild paranormal theories, Oh they went
through a portal, or a sasquatch gotam or the alien's
got them or whatnot. Well, what if it's like our
government got them, or what if it's other human beings
who are snatching these people and then using them for experiments,
knowing that they could do it and get away with it,
absolutely get away with it, and nobody can do anything
about it.
Speaker 2: It's frightening.
Speaker 1: And what they did to these kids in Montague, the
brainwashing that they were doing, the torture, the breaking down
of these young minds, to break down, get destroy their personalities,
destroy who they were and their own self worth and
self recognition, and then rebuild them back up to either
be some types of spies, some types of soldiers or
assassins or whatnot. It sounds like high science fiction to
most people. But these techniques they use really happened. I mean,
waterboarding is a great tool for you know, torture, but
also to condition people. Psychological torture is used to condition people,
and over enough period of time and when there's no hope,
the mind will break. The mind will break. It can
only take so much before it will crack. And then
once it's cracked, these people can go in and then
reshape it the way they want it.
Speaker 2: It's a frightening right.
Speaker 5: And we're aware that these techniques have been used and
have been documents documented that these techniques have been used,
let's say, to get a confession out of somebody. I mean,
it's even used by certain law enforcement when they run
someone down for fourteen hours straight to get a confession.
So we know this, we know that this is all
true and it's happened. But do we know what happened
at Montak No? I don't know for sure. Do I
believe it? I do believe it. And they do claim
that there were I mean in the high thousands, you know,
runaway kids again, kids that were out on the street,
you know, prostituting themselves.
Speaker 3: Whatever they were doing is survive. Kids that weren't.
Speaker 5: Wouldn't be missed, were the ones that apparently were taken
in for these programs and you know later in the game,
you know, after their minds were fractured, after things were implanted.
Alfred Bielick claims that he tried to stop the brutality,
you know, in terms of the beatings and the heavy drugs,
and suggested that these boys get paid or they have
a trust fund set up for them, and according to
al that's what was done later down the road in
the program.
Speaker 1: Well, and that would only be for those who survived, though,
wouldn't it.
Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, for those who survived.
Speaker 5: But see, and well, the way I depicted it in
the film was that I used one main boy as
the subject, and you know, in terms of the re
enact stuff, because you know, we were just have hundreds
of thousands of kids depicted in the film.
Speaker 3: But I felt like one universal Montark boy would be
good enough.
Speaker 5: And the relationship between him and the Jack Pruitt character
is that crew, it is making all of these empty
promises and the boy ends up dying. So that's how
I wanted to show it because I felt like that's
the essence of the entire thing was if they were
even making promises of a trust fund and a future,
the kids still expendable. And you know, this concept lightly
runs in certain military outfits too.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, they're they're breaking.
Speaker 5: You down, they're training you for war, and there's a
chance you're going to die. But there is a promise
of a college tuition and a whole bunch of other things.
So it's not that far fetched. And let's say it
was taken to an extreme in some of the deeper,
more covert programs, same concept, just you know, a little
bit different. You know, it's very possible, and I guess
the next question is what do we do about it
in the realm of entertainment or it should something be done?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: It's uh, it's the bottom of the hour, and I
just want to mention our guest tonight is UH director
Christopher Garretano, who is the creator of the documentary film
The Mom Talk Chronicles, and Irene, do you have any
questions at this time?
Speaker 2: And make sure you're you're muted.
Speaker 4: Sorry I was mut No, I know, I'm terrible. I
always forget to unmute Christopher. Sorry about that. I was ahead.
Have you have you ever heard of James Caspo?
Speaker 3: I know I have not.
Speaker 4: No, No, James Casbolt talks very much about the same
sort of thing going on over here, not only over here,
but also in Penang, Malaysia. There was a base, but
the base that he's just taken was taken. Yeah. I
always took him with as a pinch of salt until
I watched your movie. And then I thought to myself,
and maybe there is something in what he's saying. You know,
everybody's trying to say that he's, you know, making it
all up. But he's also known, he's got. His name
is James James Casbolt, and he's also known as Michael Prince. Why,
I don't know. But which way round it which is
the true one? I'm not sure. I think James cas
Bolt is the false name, but the one he uses
a lot well here. Apparently he was taken as a
baby to British Columbia near a town called Nelson, and
the operation or was called QQU five two QQ QQ
five two and it was a NSA and AN six collaboration.
Now he also talked about Mingler because apparently they were
there and the idea of what he was there for
the first few years of his life. And as babies,
they were actually put into cages with wild animals so
that they would actually also take on those attributes of
wild animals, so that when they got older, if they
were in Alaska or the jungle, they were able to survive.
Speaker 5: It is a very very similar thing to.
Speaker 3: Right, So I believe it happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well, according to him, shall I read you
my notes? It'll be a lot easier to read you
my notes and talk about it. According to Jane, they
were using children that had a specific bloodline oh negative.
Their DNA was tracked looking for what he says was
blood prime right, the anarchy blood. The experiments were to
try and fracture the mind and cause multiple personalities. Some
children pushed the limit to near death experiences where they
had to be resuscitated. Eventually they were rescued by special
forces thought to be Delta Force. That's when they were
in Canada. So then he was brought back to London, right,
and he went to school in London for a little
where and then he was taken by a woman that
worked was thought to work for six called Kate Casbolt.
This is where he's got his name, James Casbolt, and
she treated him like a mother. But he was taken
to Peasmore in Berkshire, to another underground base when he
got a bit older, and there they were in doctorating
them with Nazi principles. The operation was IBIS.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: IBIS was about increasing the lifespan as well as making
super soldiers who were brainwashed in the principles of endless warfare.
They were told about the one thousand year piece and
how the wars would start in cycles. Right they were
where am i ca Caspolt Pasmore?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 4: So from there he was after Peasmore, he was taken
to Malaysia to the island of Penang, where he says,
which he says was another NSA facility. This was the
looking Glass facility using again alien technology. He said that
there was there was alien life force landing there all
the time. And then an asset of the place was
the fact that it was surrounded by thick jungle vegetation.
So hmm, these are.
Speaker 5: It's merely identical. Go ahead, Christopher, they're saying it's merely
identical to the Montalk project. It's it's it's everything that
they said. Half there is what you're saying. So one
thing that Alfred Bielick did say, uh, and I went
to go visit him in Fort Myers, Florida. He said
that this was happening not only all over the United States,
but all over the world at that time. So yeah,
those were his words.
Speaker 4: Well that's another two basis, one in Canada and one
in Penang.
Speaker 2: Well, there are there.
Speaker 1: Are reports of underground or secret bases all over the world,
especially several here in the US, and not only with
mon talk, but you know, there's the rumors of the
Dulce Base. Dulce, New Mexico, is supposed to be a
big underground base, another base reported to have cooperation with
alien or extraterrestrial beings. You have the underground facility underneath
the Denver Airport, which you know, I always love when
Jesse Ventura did his conspiracy theory show and they went
out there to the Denver Airport and a lot of
what they found out there was rather discribing how large
that facility was. And they're still working on it. They're
still building underground there. Our good friend, do you know
Nick Redfern Christopher I do, Yeah, Oh.
Speaker 3: I know of him.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't meet him. I didn't meet him.
Speaker 2: Great guy.
Speaker 1: He's written so many books on the subject, and one
of the books that we had him on a while
back on was his book called Keep Out, which talked
about a number of these underground facilities where they were
conducting experiments. They were working in collaboration with extraterrestrial entities.
One of the stories was that there was a firefight
broke out between the aliens and the US army over
some kind of misunderstanding, and there were casualties on both sides.
So it's a very tenuous situation in those close knit communities.
And with what you're talking about with happening in Montalk
and the secrecy and the experimentation there, you know, it
does sound like Nazi Germany, and it's happening right here
on US soil. Now there are the talks of the
time travel experiments that happened out of Montalk too. Another
gentleman that we've had on the show a couple of times,
mister Andrew Bishago, who tells a very compelling and wild
story of being involved in the seventies and eighties at
the same time that you found in your research, what
was things that were going on there. There's a lot
of his story that coincides with what you who documented
in your movie about being recruited at a very young age.
And his story was that his father was in the
military and brought him into it when he was I
think about eight or nine years old, and then being
a part of not only time travel experiments, but also
teleportation experiments. And then they later on when he was
in college, then they started working with the teleportation or
what they called chronovisor technology based on Tesla technology, and
they were sending them to Mars. Again, very fantastic sounding story,
sounds like fantasy. But as I believe I mentioned to
you before, the one thing I'll give Andrew credit for
is the fact that his story always is consistent. He
never sounds like he's embellishing. The story never changes, and
it's just from A to B two C.
Speaker 2: Very simple.
Speaker 1: Well, this is what I expec experienced, and it just
makes you wonder. And then when you hear what these
other gentlemen talk about being a part of these projects.
It's mind blowing. Now, let's talk about the gentleman that
you had interviewed for the four year documentary. There were
three people in particular, two who actually worked at the
base and one who was one of these young people
who was kidnapped and forced to go undergo these experiments. Now,
which one was the gentleman who had died, What was
his name and what was his function at the base.