1 00:00:00,760 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Paranormal UK Radio Network, the best 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,960 in paranormal talk radio in the UK and around the world. 3 00:00:15,199 --> 00:00:17,519 Speaker 2: We live in a world filled with unknown. 4 00:00:20,879 --> 00:00:22,600 Speaker 3: You can't handle the true. 5 00:00:24,760 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: I'm as glad as hell, but I'm not done saying 6 00:00:27,719 --> 00:00:31,800 this anymore. Game over, man, Game over. 7 00:00:33,640 --> 00:00:35,759 Speaker 4: I'm not your name, I'm not your ash. 8 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,840 Speaker 2: We will not go quietly until the night. We will 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:47,159 not vanish out of night. Welcome to Unknown Origins Radio 10 00:00:50,039 --> 00:00:51,320 and good evening everybody. 11 00:00:51,399 --> 00:00:55,159 Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio here on 12 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,159 the Dark Matter Radio Network. 13 00:00:57,439 --> 00:00:58,359 Speaker 2: I'm your host, Mark. 14 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:02,039 Speaker 1: Johnson, and joining me in our executive producer, coming all 15 00:01:02,039 --> 00:01:06,400 the way across the pond from Lovely Wales, UK, Miss 16 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,719 Irene Alan Block. How are you tonight, Irene? 17 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 4: I'm fine, Mark, very tired, but I'm fine. 18 00:01:13,599 --> 00:01:15,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's only one o'clock in the morning, there isn't it. 19 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, And by how we finished, it'll be three o'clock. 20 00:01:19,920 --> 00:01:22,400 But how might get the dogs to settle down at 21 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,760 before o'clock before I climb into bait and then I'll 22 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:29,239 be up at six o'clock that's when the dogs wake up. 23 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: And then when your husband calls you tomorrow and he 24 00:01:32,560 --> 00:01:34,879 asks you, why are you so tired and cranking? Just say, 25 00:01:34,879 --> 00:01:37,319 all those American blokes get me up all night again. 26 00:01:39,079 --> 00:01:40,519 Speaker 4: No, I'll just say Mark kept me up. 27 00:01:42,000 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 2: Just just blame it on me, okay. 28 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:45,840 Speaker 4: Blame everything on you. 29 00:01:46,239 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: Well, well, well, doesn't everybody want to do a shout out? 30 00:01:50,719 --> 00:01:54,480 Our co host Bruce Pearson unfortunately, is not able to 31 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,480 join us tonight. I believe right now he's on the 32 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:02,200 road somewhere coming through around Providence, Rhode Island. He was 33 00:02:02,239 --> 00:02:04,879 delayed getting back home and not able to join us. 34 00:02:04,879 --> 00:02:07,719 But hey, Bruce, if you're listening, if you're in a good, 35 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:10,719 safe area, you got a hands free device, feel free 36 00:02:10,759 --> 00:02:14,039 to call into the show whenever you want, Okay, especially 37 00:02:14,039 --> 00:02:16,719 with that long drive ahead, you know we'll patch. 38 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:17,199 Speaker 2: You in that way. 39 00:02:18,199 --> 00:02:22,199 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, you know, we've got a great 40 00:02:22,199 --> 00:02:24,280 show tonight. We've got a great guest we'll be bringing 41 00:02:24,319 --> 00:02:25,800 on here in just a few minutes. 42 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:28,159 Speaker 2: I just want to mention that. 43 00:02:30,319 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 1: We were coming into the fall now, and I don't 44 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,520 know about anybody else. I know the Southwest has really 45 00:02:35,560 --> 00:02:38,280 been getting hit with brutal hot weather, but it's actually 46 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:40,360 cold and rainy today and all the leaves are starting 47 00:02:40,360 --> 00:02:43,919 to turn. It's not even it's what's today, September tenth, 48 00:02:43,960 --> 00:02:46,719 and the leaves are starting to turn. So I have 49 00:02:46,759 --> 00:02:48,919 a funny feeling we're going to get our butts kicked 50 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,240 again with more deep snow. At least that's what the 51 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:54,919 Old Farmer's Almanac is calling for more bad snow this winter. 52 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,439 And you know, I think those farmers need to be 53 00:02:57,520 --> 00:03:00,199 fired myself. But go grow some crops. What are you 54 00:03:00,240 --> 00:03:02,879 writing about the weather fork or grow some crops instead. 55 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:06,039 A lot of things in the news this week too, 56 00:03:06,879 --> 00:03:08,560 you know, you know, And I'm not going to. 57 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:09,159 Speaker 2: Really touch on it. 58 00:03:09,159 --> 00:03:11,080 Speaker 1: What I'm going to really point out the fact is 59 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:15,280 in social media there is and I mean you you 60 00:03:15,319 --> 00:03:18,240 can you can talk about this as well too. There 61 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:23,280 has been such a change in social media, especially you know, 62 00:03:23,319 --> 00:03:27,280 in the paranormal circles, but just in general, the amount 63 00:03:27,319 --> 00:03:31,479 of vitriol and division that is going on out there 64 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:40,680 in the paranormal community, fighting between people, bullyingching, backbiting, bitching, bullying, 65 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:44,960 you know all this, and you know, and anymore, if 66 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:48,840 anybody uses a term paranormal unity, uh, they get laughed 67 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:53,599 at because it's it's so nasty out there these days, 68 00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:55,120 and you know, it. 69 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 4: Doesn't exist anymore, doesn't No. 70 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,879 Speaker 2: No, and I think unity. 71 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:02,199 Speaker 1: But if you really want to look at it in general, 72 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:05,360 what's going on out there, it's gone beyond the paranormal 73 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:07,800 because right now here in the States, we're getting ready 74 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:12,280 for a new presidential election, and the division and the 75 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,080 hate among. 76 00:04:13,879 --> 00:04:15,919 Speaker 2: Parties right now is so bad. 77 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: It's like everywhere you look, there's hate and division, hate 78 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,360 and division everywhere, people pointing fingers. You know, you have 79 00:04:22,519 --> 00:04:24,879 the far right and then you have the far left, 80 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,720 and those of us who fall like squarely in the 81 00:04:27,759 --> 00:04:31,639 middle are kind of getting pummeled by both sides. It's 82 00:04:31,759 --> 00:04:35,480 like I just wanted to like reach out there and 83 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:37,600 just start smacking people walking down the street and just 84 00:04:37,639 --> 00:04:41,399 start smacking people and say knock it off, just to 85 00:04:41,439 --> 00:04:46,199 wake people up. I don't know, it's what do you 86 00:04:46,240 --> 00:04:48,759 think is really causing all this lately? Is it because 87 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:53,839 this oversaturation of instant media where everybody can view their thoughts, 88 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,519 you know, spew their thoughts and opinions immediately, you know, 89 00:04:57,639 --> 00:05:00,639 with no filter. Do you think that's that's what's causing 90 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:02,560 the problem, or do you think we've really reached an 91 00:05:02,639 --> 00:05:08,079 age where this is where the human race is coming to. Yes, 92 00:05:08,120 --> 00:05:13,279 I was asking you, I I've got no idea. 93 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:17,399 Speaker 4: All I can think about is that maybe in the 94 00:05:17,399 --> 00:05:20,199 paranormal world. So quite a few people picked up the 95 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:25,839 wrong attachments. But on the political side, well aren't they 96 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:27,759 all like kids that are at times? 97 00:05:29,439 --> 00:05:32,639 Speaker 1: Let's face it, Well, yeah, politics has been going down 98 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,319 the tubes for us. 99 00:05:35,759 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 4: I totally ignore politics. You know, after once they started 100 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:45,279 to broadcast over here Parliament on the television and I 101 00:05:45,319 --> 00:05:48,120 saw how childish it was all you know, everything that 102 00:05:48,319 --> 00:05:50,839 was going on in there, with all the head nodding 103 00:05:50,959 --> 00:05:54,800 and the jeering and people sleeping in the seats. That 104 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,959 was the end of politics for me. I didn't even 105 00:05:58,000 --> 00:05:59,120 know you were going to have an election. 106 00:06:00,439 --> 00:06:03,040 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, our president is on his way out. This 107 00:06:03,120 --> 00:06:06,439 is his last year. So now we have a whole 108 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:08,560 slew of other idiots trying. 109 00:06:08,240 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 4: To answers a lot for what's going on around the world. 110 00:06:12,600 --> 00:06:13,920 And if he's on his way out. 111 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:16,800 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, you know, I'm one of the few people 112 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,399 who's glad he's getting out. And that's not, you know, 113 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:24,120 a political statement, it's just as you know, he hasn't 114 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:26,639 done nothing for this country. Of course, I didn't like 115 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:29,399 the last idiot either, And now we have people like 116 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:33,600 Trump out there who's really stirring things up. And you know, 117 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,120 I got a hand it to Donald Trump. The man 118 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:39,680 is the best internet troll out there running for president. 119 00:06:39,759 --> 00:06:43,279 He knows how to say things that he absolutely knows 120 00:06:43,399 --> 00:06:46,839 is going to stir stuff up and get everybody all upset, 121 00:06:46,879 --> 00:06:49,160 and he's loving every minute of it. And people are 122 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:51,560 falling for this. You know, do I think he can 123 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:52,360 be a good president? 124 00:06:52,439 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: Oh hell no. But you have to admit it's. 125 00:06:54,879 --> 00:06:58,319 Speaker 1: Fairly entertaining compared to what everybody else is doing. 126 00:06:58,360 --> 00:06:59,800 Speaker 2: But I don't know. 127 00:06:59,839 --> 00:07:02,879 Speaker 1: It's just, you know, we've been screwed, for my opinion, 128 00:07:02,879 --> 00:07:06,160 in the last sixteen years, and looks like we're going 129 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:07,680 to be screwed for the next four if any of 130 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:08,639 these idiots get in. 131 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:10,959 Speaker 2: But what can you do. 132 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: We just keep biding our time until maybe some other 133 00:07:14,000 --> 00:07:15,160 real change can come along. 134 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 2: Anyway, that's enough of my bitching and complaining, and we're 135 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:21,160 going to get into our show tonight. 136 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:26,240 Speaker 1: Now we've got a great guest. 137 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, good idea. We got a great guest tonight. 138 00:07:30,439 --> 00:07:33,319 Speaker 1: And it's a subject that it's a subject that really 139 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:38,439 interested to discuss. People have heard a long time about, 140 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,199 you know, secret government. 141 00:07:39,839 --> 00:07:42,959 Speaker 2: Bases, and there is one. 142 00:07:42,839 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: That's purported to be out on the edge of Long Island, 143 00:07:47,199 --> 00:07:52,160 out on Montalk, Long Island that has been active for 144 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,720 many years, and there's always big secrets about what's going 145 00:07:55,759 --> 00:07:59,720 on out there. Well, tonight, our guest his name is 146 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:05,800 Christopher Garnetto, and Christopher is the director of a documentary 147 00:08:05,839 --> 00:08:12,680 film called The Montalk Chronicles. So, Christopher, welcome to the program. 148 00:08:12,959 --> 00:08:14,360 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. Can you hear me? 149 00:08:14,399 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: Okay, yes, you're a little overmodulated, so you need to 150 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:18,639 turn your microphone down a little bit. 151 00:08:20,480 --> 00:08:23,959 Speaker 5: Okay, you know if I have the option to do that. 152 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 2: Oh, you're actually you're perfect. You're perfect right there. You 153 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,360 sound really good. So we're good to go. 154 00:08:30,079 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: So Christopher, thank you for being on the show. And 155 00:08:33,799 --> 00:08:36,080 so we wanted to ask you, first of all, to 156 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:40,039 tell us a little bit about your background, to tell 157 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:47,000 the audience about how you became a filmmaker and how 158 00:08:47,039 --> 00:08:52,039 you got into this subject on the mon Talk Experiments. 159 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:54,759 Speaker 5: Well, I've been a filmmaker all my life. I turned 160 00:08:54,799 --> 00:09:01,000 forty next year, and my interest primarily began with the 161 00:09:01,039 --> 00:09:04,440 paranormal when I was a little kid. I had an 162 00:09:04,480 --> 00:09:08,639 extensive book collection, you know, in the early eighties, on 163 00:09:09,039 --> 00:09:11,519 everything I could get my hands on. And at that time, 164 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:16,559 of course, there wasn't a conspiracy hungry, you know, group 165 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:19,679 of people with a voracious appetite around the world for 166 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,759 you know, a conspiracy about every little thing that happened 167 00:09:22,759 --> 00:09:23,159 in the world. 168 00:09:23,279 --> 00:09:24,799 Speaker 3: Mainly we had, you know. 169 00:09:24,919 --> 00:09:30,159 Speaker 5: Some basic groups of paranormal occurrences that included UFO sightings, 170 00:09:31,039 --> 00:09:37,399 haunted houses, you know, psychic abilities, and cryptozoological appearances. So 171 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:39,519 those are the things I was really into as a kid. 172 00:09:39,519 --> 00:09:44,080 You'd flash forward, I guess a little bit. After film 173 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,840 school I started shooting my first film, which was called 174 00:09:47,879 --> 00:09:52,120 Horror Business. It was a documentary about four independent horror 175 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:56,039 filmmakers trying to break into the business. And within that 176 00:09:56,120 --> 00:10:01,600 group of people there was a the man who was 177 00:10:01,799 --> 00:10:05,759 conspiracy obsessed. Before it became in vogue on the internet, 178 00:10:05,799 --> 00:10:08,039 I mean at the time, it was around two thousand 179 00:10:08,080 --> 00:10:09,399 and two, and. 180 00:10:09,320 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 3: It still wasn't it's huge. It's I mean, it's enormous. 181 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,200 Speaker 5: Now it seems to be just oversaturated in abundance. It 182 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:18,240 seems to be what everybody is concerned about, that everything 183 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:22,279 is conspiratorial, that everything that's being done is bakery and trickery. 184 00:10:22,279 --> 00:10:24,519 But at that time, it wasn't like that, and it 185 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:26,559 was very new and fresh to me. And his name 186 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:31,000 was John Brodie, and he suggested because he knew I 187 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:34,480 was from New York and he knew that I spent 188 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,159 my summers in Montak as a kid. I kind of 189 00:10:37,159 --> 00:10:41,480 befriended him when I was filming horror business, and he 190 00:10:41,639 --> 00:10:45,759 suggested that I make a movie about the Montalk project 191 00:10:45,799 --> 00:10:48,240 as we knew it back then, and I was interested 192 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,480 in making a paranormal docudrama. And I had a completely 193 00:10:51,519 --> 00:10:55,279 different idea in my mind, and I wasn't interested. 194 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 3: Really. 195 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:57,840 Speaker 5: I knew of it, and I had read the very 196 00:10:57,840 --> 00:11:01,200 early book by Preston Nichols, and I just wasn't convinced 197 00:11:01,799 --> 00:11:05,879 that this happened. It seemed like a very thinly laid tale. 198 00:11:06,279 --> 00:11:10,600 But what interested me at that time was the prospect 199 00:11:10,639 --> 00:11:13,480 of visiting the men who had been telling that story 200 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:18,159 for well over twenty years at the time, and the 201 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:20,360 fact that I'd get to sit down with them and 202 00:11:20,399 --> 00:11:22,799 look them in the eyes and record them in their 203 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:28,039 own homes, uninhibited interviews where it was basically just me 204 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:33,200 or one other person to help, not a studio crew 205 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,320 where we would make them feel uncomfortable and tell them 206 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,080 how to sit and how to speak. 207 00:11:38,759 --> 00:11:41,399 Speaker 3: So it started there. That was my interest, and that 208 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:42,320 was in six. 209 00:11:44,519 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: So you started, did you started filming the documentary in six? 210 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:54,279 How long did it take you to complete? Well? 211 00:11:54,279 --> 00:11:55,879 Speaker 3: I made two documentaries. 212 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:59,639 Speaker 5: The one that's out right now I started in twenty 213 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:04,360 thirty team and completed in mid to late twenty fourteen. 214 00:12:05,279 --> 00:12:08,679 The one that I started in six was completed in 215 00:12:08,759 --> 00:12:13,679 late twenty eleven, and I literally went back and reshot 216 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:17,720 everything except Alfred Bielick's interviews because he passed away in 217 00:12:17,759 --> 00:12:22,799 twenty eleven. But I just felt I wasn't getting deep 218 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:24,840 enough into the story, and I felt it was way 219 00:12:24,879 --> 00:12:28,080 too personal. And I did show it around a couple 220 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:31,799 of festivals and a few venues throughout twenty twelve. Actually, 221 00:12:31,879 --> 00:12:34,919 the very first screening of the first Montauk version was 222 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:40,639 shown in a Smoking Gun Research Agency library in Connecticut. 223 00:12:40,759 --> 00:12:45,960 It was like a paranormal library in December of twenty eleven. 224 00:12:46,279 --> 00:12:48,200 That was the first screening. But I just felt I 225 00:12:48,279 --> 00:12:51,879 needed to I needed to go back, and I needed 226 00:12:51,879 --> 00:12:53,440 to ask more questions and. 227 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 3: I was just really obsessed with it. 228 00:12:54,919 --> 00:12:57,279 Speaker 5: By the time I had finished the first version, I 229 00:12:57,279 --> 00:13:00,000 felt like I could do better, and I went back 230 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:02,320 into it again in January of twenty thirteen. 231 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:09,519 Speaker 1: Now the subject of the Montague Project and the station 232 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:13,360 out in Long Island. You know, there's a fence up 233 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:18,080 there now it all looks abandoned, and yet for at 234 00:13:18,159 --> 00:13:22,600 least twenty years, if not longer, it was. It's been 235 00:13:22,639 --> 00:13:29,639 reported to have been home to a variety of different experiments, 236 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:35,000 some fairly horrific. Were you able to find out in 237 00:13:35,039 --> 00:13:40,559 your research how that station started became what it was, 238 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,080 What was the genesis of them starting to use that 239 00:13:44,159 --> 00:13:48,240 location for conducting secret experiments? 240 00:13:48,279 --> 00:13:52,080 Speaker 5: Well, you first have, if it's an honest perspective, which 241 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,960 is what I wanted from the beginning, you have to 242 00:13:55,039 --> 00:14:00,519 begin at the place that I did, where I knew 243 00:14:00,799 --> 00:14:05,399 at that point, at my starting point, there wasn't any hard, 244 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:10,399 factual or tangible evidence to prove what we were just discussing. 245 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 3: You know that there wasn't. This was all speculation. 246 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 5: And there were literally three men, actually four including Duncan Cameron, 247 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:19,279 that were telling that story. 248 00:14:19,639 --> 00:14:22,159 Speaker 3: All three of those men are in my movie. 249 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,879 Speaker 5: So what better way to investigate than to first begin 250 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:29,639 to speak to those men and listen to their stories, 251 00:14:29,679 --> 00:14:32,080 because that's all we had to go on, and that's 252 00:14:32,080 --> 00:14:35,960 all we have really to go on right now, except 253 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:37,879 at this point there are a lot of other people 254 00:14:37,919 --> 00:14:40,919 coming out saying they were part of it. The three men, 255 00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,440 Alfred Bielick, Preston Nichols, and Stuart Swidlow are the men 256 00:14:44,919 --> 00:14:49,440 who put this story out into the world. They're the ones. 257 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:52,279 The three men in my picture telling the tale are 258 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:55,039 the guys, are the reason why we're talking about this, 259 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,679 and I felt it necessary to first hear their tales. 260 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:02,039 And then the other part of my investigation was to 261 00:15:02,159 --> 00:15:05,480 visit the base and spend an enormous amount of time 262 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:08,639 there searching the base to try to find any evidence 263 00:15:08,639 --> 00:15:13,080 of what they were talking about. And that consisted of 264 00:15:13,080 --> 00:15:16,519 me going to the Montauk Library archives and searching through 265 00:15:16,559 --> 00:15:20,919 those and reading through every article and interviewing locals. And 266 00:15:21,000 --> 00:15:24,639 I spent an enormous amount of time just conducting my 267 00:15:24,720 --> 00:15:27,799 own research because I wanted to find out if there 268 00:15:27,879 --> 00:15:31,279 was any tangible evidence, and what I got in the 269 00:15:31,399 --> 00:15:35,000 end were a great collection of stories from a lot 270 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:37,840 of different people who I feel some of which are 271 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:42,480 quite credible, but Alfred Bulick, Stuart Swerdlow, and Preston Nichols 272 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:47,320 claim that between nineteen seventy one and nineteen eighty three 273 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:50,720 there were after the Air Force moved out, there were 274 00:15:50,879 --> 00:15:56,159 secret experiments in a lab that was located deep beneath 275 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,360 the surface of Camp Hero where in fact, Alfred Bulick 276 00:16:00,399 --> 00:16:03,639 claims the way they traveled to that lab, let's say, 277 00:16:03,639 --> 00:16:08,360 from Brookhaven Labs, which was further west to the Montac base, 278 00:16:08,679 --> 00:16:12,399 was not above ground in a car, but in an 279 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,480 underground railway, and that's how Preston Nichols and Alfred Bilick 280 00:16:16,559 --> 00:16:20,399 say they got to the base itself. Stuart's Werdlow claims 281 00:16:20,399 --> 00:16:23,440 that he was one of the boys that were kidnapped 282 00:16:23,559 --> 00:16:27,559 for the experiments, because according to these men, that was 283 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:30,639 the core of the experimentation. It was really a mind 284 00:16:30,679 --> 00:16:37,440 control experiment, and there were allegedly extraterrestrials down there, and 285 00:16:37,559 --> 00:16:42,759 there was allegedly a time travel experiment. But at its core, 286 00:16:42,919 --> 00:16:47,000 they say, there were runaway kids that were kidnapped for 287 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:51,279 the purposes of a mass mind control experiment, and these 288 00:16:51,360 --> 00:16:55,200 were the early designs of that, the testing of that 289 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,320 over the thirteen year period, and they say they kidnapped 290 00:16:59,399 --> 00:17:02,639 runaway because of course they wouldn't be missed, they were 291 00:17:02,679 --> 00:17:07,880 already missing, and that if anything happened to them, they're expendable. 292 00:17:07,920 --> 00:17:11,759 And this was the perspective that Alfred Bielick and Preston 293 00:17:11,799 --> 00:17:15,839 Nichols and Stuart's word low claim was of the group 294 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:17,440 that ran this entire experiment. 295 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:23,799 Speaker 1: Now, in your documentary, which I did have the opportunity 296 00:17:23,839 --> 00:17:26,200 to watch, and it was very good and very compelling, 297 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:31,400 is the fact that the things that were happening here. 298 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:35,680 It's mind boggling to think that this happened here on 299 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:40,720 US soil, that our military or people within our government 300 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:46,640 was actually kidnapping American citizens to experiment with. And I 301 00:17:46,680 --> 00:17:50,200 believe you mentioned in the documentary, or at least the 302 00:17:50,519 --> 00:17:55,559 gentleman that you had interviewed that at the end of 303 00:17:55,559 --> 00:17:58,400 World War two is part of a project paper Clip. 304 00:17:59,079 --> 00:18:01,880 The US briant in a lot of these Nazi scientists 305 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,599 that were part of their rocket program and some of 306 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,160 their other secret weapons programs to come and work for 307 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,799 the US, and a lot of those on the rocket 308 00:18:09,799 --> 00:18:13,319 program went to work for NASA what would become NASA, 309 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,640 you know, But then there were other experiments as well, 310 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,839 especially some of the horrible experiments conducted by Joseph Mingley 311 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,920 and people of his ilk and that those type of 312 00:18:26,079 --> 00:18:28,960 Nazis were actually working. 313 00:18:28,599 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 2: With the US government on some of these programs. Is 314 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:32,920 that true? 315 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,720 Speaker 5: Well, I, well, yes it is, because here's the thing. 316 00:18:37,279 --> 00:18:40,559 At first, I had the same sentiments that you do 317 00:18:41,079 --> 00:18:44,960 that I found it hard to believe that the US 318 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:47,519 government would do that to their own people. However, if 319 00:18:47,519 --> 00:18:51,640 you do your research and look up the Tuskegee experiments 320 00:18:51,799 --> 00:18:54,880 or mk Ultra, you will find that that very thing 321 00:18:55,079 --> 00:18:58,720 did happen. We have evidence for it, and it will 322 00:18:58,839 --> 00:19:04,000 It's astonishing. It changes everything, and it changed everything for me. 323 00:19:04,079 --> 00:19:07,359 So once I think, I started to consider what was 324 00:19:07,400 --> 00:19:09,160 being told to me more. 325 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 3: And started to look into it deeper. 326 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 5: And that's a big reason why I made a second film, 327 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,279 and why I kind of remade the entire movie is 328 00:19:16,319 --> 00:19:19,599 because once I started to research the things that we 329 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:25,640 can prove, like the Tuskegee experiments and the mk Ultra experiments, 330 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:29,759 I started to realize that anything was possible. After reading 331 00:19:29,799 --> 00:19:33,400 about those things, and if you know about those things, 332 00:19:33,559 --> 00:19:38,960 this was our US government that was taking our US citizens, 333 00:19:39,559 --> 00:19:42,200 Let's say, for in the case of the Tuskegee experiments, 334 00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:46,200 unbeknownst to them, under false pretenses, injecting them with a 335 00:19:46,279 --> 00:19:49,400 horrible disease, lying to them and telling them they were 336 00:19:49,799 --> 00:19:52,480 giving them medical care, and then monitoring them to see 337 00:19:52,480 --> 00:19:54,200 what the disease did over time. 338 00:19:54,359 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: This is disgusting. 339 00:19:56,079 --> 00:19:59,519 Speaker 5: And this was admitted to not only those experiments, but 340 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:02,920 the mk Ultra experiments to a degree by Bill Clinton 341 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:07,000 in nineteen ninety five because there were congressional hearings regarding 342 00:20:07,079 --> 00:20:11,039 mk Ultra and the so called radiation experiments, and there 343 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:13,640 was too much pressure put on Congress, so they had 344 00:20:13,640 --> 00:20:16,160 to admit to something. And the way they did it 345 00:20:16,279 --> 00:20:19,079 was they passed the book. They said that, well, it 346 00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:21,839 wasn't us, it was them. And back then they were 347 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,920 being very American and they were strange groups and all 348 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:27,319 this stuff. But during the time of those strange groups. 349 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,400 Guess what else was happening, or possibly was happening that 350 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:33,000 a lot of people believe was happening was the Montak project. 351 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:36,200 And if you read about mk Ultra and you read 352 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,559 about the Tuskegee experiments, it's much easier to believe that 353 00:20:40,759 --> 00:20:43,480 something happened at Campiro and there. Now there are a 354 00:20:43,519 --> 00:20:46,160 lot of people saying they were part of it, and 355 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,640 I personally, over time, I feel that something did happen there. 356 00:20:50,680 --> 00:20:54,079 I don't know, and we can't prove, of course, all 357 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:57,200 of the things they're saying. I mean, I can't sit 358 00:20:57,279 --> 00:21:00,319 here and support one hundred percent someone said saying that 359 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,039 they traveled back in time or they traveled to Mars, 360 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:07,000 because I personally don't know. But there have been credible 361 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:11,119 people like Gordon Cooper, one of our you know wright stuff, 362 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,960 you know, astronauts, claiming that he was going to be 363 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,200 part of a time travel experiment. And this was a 364 00:21:16,319 --> 00:21:19,920 very serious thing that he was talking about. So I 365 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:23,319 think the further you research into these things, more believable 366 00:21:23,519 --> 00:21:26,519 these things become, or even you know, further research into 367 00:21:26,559 --> 00:21:29,440 quantum physics, I mean, like you know, it starts to 368 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:32,519 open your mind to the possibilities and it no longer 369 00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:37,119 is science fiction anymore. It's science fact or very possible. 370 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:40,000 And that's that's where I'm at now. And that's where 371 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,920 I was at the very beginning of the movie that's 372 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,480 out in the world right now, the one. 373 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:44,799 Speaker 3: That's called Montak Chronicles. 374 00:21:44,799 --> 00:21:47,039 Speaker 5: I felt like I needed to retell it because I 375 00:21:47,039 --> 00:21:49,559 really did have a I guess what they call a 376 00:21:49,599 --> 00:21:53,759 paradigm shift, because I felt like my perspective changed. 377 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,799 Speaker 2: With the with all of these experiments that took place. 378 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: And again, it's it's horrible to think that we had 379 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:09,319 Americans doing this to fellow Americans, both with what happened 380 00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:13,319 at Montauk, the mk Ultra and the Tuskegee experiments, and 381 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:17,759 the experimentation that the US government did going from the 382 00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:25,559 nineteen fifties all the way into fairly recently. People sit 383 00:22:25,599 --> 00:22:27,359 there and they look at what happened back in World 384 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,079 War Two, and they look at the horrible things the 385 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,519 Nazis did, or even some of the other atrocities that 386 00:22:34,599 --> 00:22:38,519 happened across the world, and yet they always seem to 387 00:22:38,519 --> 00:22:40,680 look at it and say, well, it'll never happen here, 388 00:22:40,759 --> 00:22:42,160 Our government will never do. 389 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 2: It to us. 390 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: And yet here that you know, Congress was pressured enough 391 00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,519 that they came out and mostly admitted that yeah, it 392 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:52,400 did happen, and it got swept under the rug, and 393 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,319 nobody talks about it. Nobody U asked every you know, 394 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,359 Joe Q citizen on the street. They have no idea 395 00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:00,599 this stuff happened, and because. 396 00:23:00,319 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 2: That's how whitewashed it is. 397 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: And the fact is, people who delude themselves to think 398 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,599 that this can't happen here, they are delusional because they 399 00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:11,039 can and they will do things like that. 400 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:13,039 Speaker 2: They've proven they can do this to us, and they've 401 00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:13,480 done some. 402 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: Horrible things, some of the things that you were mentioning 403 00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,759 in the documentary about what they were doing to these kids. 404 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:22,680 I mean, could you talk a little bit about that. 405 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 5: Sure, well, again, you know, it hasn't been proven. But 406 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,319 what Stuart's Wordlow who claims to that he was one 407 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,680 of the boys that was brought into the program against 408 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,160 his will. I mean, they did everything from you know, 409 00:23:40,279 --> 00:23:44,880 drugging them heavily and implanting imagery and trigger images and 410 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,759 trigger words in their minds to be later used as 411 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:54,079 Manchurian type assassins, or there were programs and exercises to 412 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,559 heighten their psychic abilities. Apparently they're a good deal of 413 00:23:58,559 --> 00:24:03,680 them were used in time traveler experiments because I guess 414 00:24:03,240 --> 00:24:07,920 if it did happen, and from their perspective, they're getting 415 00:24:08,519 --> 00:24:09,599 these boys. 416 00:24:09,279 --> 00:24:10,839 Speaker 3: For free, or at least in the. 417 00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:16,640 Speaker 5: Beginning, they're human subjects, not ape, you know, not simian 418 00:24:16,799 --> 00:24:22,759 and not animal subjects, so they would really see how 419 00:24:22,839 --> 00:24:26,359 these experiments would work on a human being. And I 420 00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,359 you know, at the time, I guess they weren't considering 421 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,960 getting volunteers because it was so covert and we're just 422 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,680 saying this hypothetically if it's true, and I'm trying to 423 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,720 get inside the head of this group. But it goes 424 00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:39,359 much deeper than that, because there are a lot of 425 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:43,440 theories involved that if you are to believe that the 426 00:24:43,559 --> 00:24:49,279 Montauk experiments happen, then you have to believe that everything 427 00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:54,000 that's been put in front of us. Also, our history 428 00:24:54,599 --> 00:24:57,200 to a great extent has been kind of fabricated and 429 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:00,440 we've been lied to because there's there's this like hidden 430 00:25:00,519 --> 00:25:06,400 world history within the concept of the Montac experiments, that 431 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:11,640 the alien species that were down there were working in 432 00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:15,680 unison with the humans down there, and that there's a 433 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:20,240 long history of deception. So most of what we know 434 00:25:20,519 --> 00:25:24,160 is part of that deception. And it's just so much, 435 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,319 you know, after a while being immersed in it day 436 00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,119 after day working on the first version of this movie, 437 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,559 I really started to go nuts because I you know, 438 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:36,400 I started to believe it and I'm not saying it's 439 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:37,640 not true. 440 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,319 Speaker 3: I certainly don't want to believe it. 441 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,160 Speaker 5: I can tell you that much, even to this moment, 442 00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:43,640 because if you're going to believe in any of this, 443 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,200 I mean, it really means we're in kind of we're 444 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,519 in big trouble. Because if it was happening, then I 445 00:25:48,559 --> 00:25:52,880 can assure you that something is happening now. And it's 446 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,599 a lot to consider. You know, when I was a 447 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:59,160 kid and I was studying SASQUATSH sightings and UFO sidings, 448 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,400 it was exhilarating and you know, terrifying. 449 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:03,759 Speaker 3: In a sense that it was exciting. 450 00:26:04,759 --> 00:26:10,279 Speaker 5: But getting into this subject matter is terrifying and not 451 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:13,640 so exciting because you start to realize, wow, wait a second, 452 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,960 this might be true. And if it's true, then you 453 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,039 need to know the details because it's horrific, and then 454 00:26:20,119 --> 00:26:22,519 it would affect everybody in the world. 455 00:26:22,599 --> 00:26:28,319 Speaker 1: Basically, there are things to take into consideration. There are millions, 456 00:26:28,519 --> 00:26:32,640 literally millions of people who vanish without a trace in 457 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:33,759 this country every year. 458 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,440 Speaker 2: David Polides talks about. 459 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 1: That in his books Missing for One to One, and 460 00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:42,599 other authors have touched on this subject as well. A 461 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,400 lot of people who vanish in our national parks without 462 00:26:46,440 --> 00:26:46,960 a trace. 463 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:48,839 Speaker 2: I mean, even the National Park. 464 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:52,880 Speaker 1: Service keeps a hidden record of you know, all the 465 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,759 people who go missing in the parks, but they won't 466 00:26:54,799 --> 00:26:55,920 share it with the public. 467 00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:58,200 Speaker 2: They even try to deny they have it, but they 468 00:26:58,240 --> 00:26:58,559 have it. 469 00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:02,559 Speaker 1: And you know people who just go missing for no reason. 470 00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,680 You have street people who no one will miss. And 471 00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:08,920 you know, people get they vanish and without a trace, 472 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,079 and after a while, life just goes on and people 473 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,599 move on and forget about them, and you wonder where 474 00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:18,240 are these people going now. Sometimes you know, some people 475 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:22,279 look at the more wild paranormal theories, Oh they went 476 00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:25,160 through a portal, or a sasquatch gotam or the alien's 477 00:27:25,160 --> 00:27:28,279 got them or whatnot. Well, what if it's like our 478 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:31,920 government got them, or what if it's other human beings 479 00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:36,440 who are snatching these people and then using them for experiments, 480 00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,200 knowing that they could do it and get away with it, 481 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:40,599 absolutely get away with it, and nobody can do anything 482 00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:42,200 about it. 483 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:43,079 Speaker 2: It's frightening. 484 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:47,279 Speaker 1: And what they did to these kids in Montague, the 485 00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:51,519 brainwashing that they were doing, the torture, the breaking down 486 00:27:51,799 --> 00:27:57,359 of these young minds, to break down, get destroy their personalities, 487 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:02,359 destroy who they were and their own self worth and 488 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:07,039 self recognition, and then rebuild them back up to either 489 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:10,799 be some types of spies, some types of soldiers or 490 00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:15,680 assassins or whatnot. It sounds like high science fiction to 491 00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:19,799 most people. But these techniques they use really happened. I mean, 492 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:24,759 waterboarding is a great tool for you know, torture, but 493 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:30,880 also to condition people. Psychological torture is used to condition people, 494 00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:35,000 and over enough period of time and when there's no hope, 495 00:28:35,079 --> 00:28:37,839 the mind will break. The mind will break. It can 496 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,519 only take so much before it will crack. And then 497 00:28:41,559 --> 00:28:44,039 once it's cracked, these people can go in and then 498 00:28:44,119 --> 00:28:46,519 reshape it the way they want it. 499 00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,519 Speaker 2: It's a frightening right. 500 00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 5: And we're aware that these techniques have been used and 501 00:28:50,759 --> 00:28:53,799 have been documents documented that these techniques have been used, 502 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,000 let's say, to get a confession out of somebody. I mean, 503 00:28:56,039 --> 00:29:00,680 it's even used by certain law enforcement when they run 504 00:29:00,759 --> 00:29:04,000 someone down for fourteen hours straight to get a confession. 505 00:29:04,359 --> 00:29:06,680 So we know this, we know that this is all 506 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,759 true and it's happened. But do we know what happened 507 00:29:10,759 --> 00:29:13,160 at Montak No? I don't know for sure. Do I 508 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,599 believe it? I do believe it. And they do claim 509 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,640 that there were I mean in the high thousands, you know, 510 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:23,119 runaway kids again, kids that were out on the street, 511 00:29:23,279 --> 00:29:25,799 you know, prostituting themselves. 512 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 3: Whatever they were doing is survive. Kids that weren't. 513 00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 5: Wouldn't be missed, were the ones that apparently were taken 514 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:36,759 in for these programs and you know later in the game, 515 00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:41,039 you know, after their minds were fractured, after things were implanted. 516 00:29:41,559 --> 00:29:45,119 Alfred Bielick claims that he tried to stop the brutality, 517 00:29:45,680 --> 00:29:49,160 you know, in terms of the beatings and the heavy drugs, 518 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:54,799 and suggested that these boys get paid or they have 519 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,400 a trust fund set up for them, and according to 520 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,519 al that's what was done later down the road in 521 00:29:59,559 --> 00:30:01,240 the program. 522 00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:04,200 Speaker 1: Well, and that would only be for those who survived, though, 523 00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,039 wouldn't it. 524 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:08,079 Speaker 3: Sure, Yeah, for those who survived. 525 00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 5: But see, and well, the way I depicted it in 526 00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:15,640 the film was that I used one main boy as 527 00:30:15,680 --> 00:30:17,720 the subject, and you know, in terms of the re 528 00:30:17,839 --> 00:30:20,119 enact stuff, because you know, we were just have hundreds 529 00:30:20,119 --> 00:30:22,160 of thousands of kids depicted in the film. 530 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:24,240 Speaker 3: But I felt like one universal Montark boy would be 531 00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:24,759 good enough. 532 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 5: And the relationship between him and the Jack Pruitt character 533 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:30,240 is that crew, it is making all of these empty 534 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:33,319 promises and the boy ends up dying. So that's how 535 00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:35,519 I wanted to show it because I felt like that's 536 00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:38,839 the essence of the entire thing was if they were 537 00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,519 even making promises of a trust fund and a future, 538 00:30:43,079 --> 00:30:48,640 the kids still expendable. And you know, this concept lightly 539 00:30:48,759 --> 00:30:50,720 runs in certain military outfits too. 540 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 3: I mean, you know, they're they're breaking. 541 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,839 Speaker 5: You down, they're training you for war, and there's a 542 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,799 chance you're going to die. But there is a promise 543 00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,000 of a college tuition and a whole bunch of other things. 544 00:31:00,119 --> 00:31:02,599 So it's not that far fetched. And let's say it 545 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,960 was taken to an extreme in some of the deeper, 546 00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:09,039 more covert programs, same concept, just you know, a little 547 00:31:09,039 --> 00:31:13,839 bit different. You know, it's very possible, and I guess 548 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,519 the next question is what do we do about it 549 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,079 in the realm of entertainment or it should something be done? 550 00:31:22,279 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 2: Right? 551 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:24,720 Speaker 1: It's uh, it's the bottom of the hour, and I 552 00:31:24,759 --> 00:31:27,839 just want to mention our guest tonight is UH director 553 00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:33,680 Christopher Garretano, who is the creator of the documentary film 554 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:38,279 The Mom Talk Chronicles, and Irene, do you have any 555 00:31:38,359 --> 00:31:39,359 questions at this time? 556 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:42,440 Speaker 2: And make sure you're you're muted. 557 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,799 Speaker 4: Sorry I was mut No, I know, I'm terrible. I 558 00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:52,039 always forget to unmute Christopher. Sorry about that. I was ahead. 559 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,200 Have you have you ever heard of James Caspo? 560 00:31:58,759 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 3: I know I have not. 561 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:04,880 Speaker 4: No, No, James Casbolt talks very much about the same 562 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,119 sort of thing going on over here, not only over here, 563 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:13,039 but also in Penang, Malaysia. There was a base, but 564 00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:19,119 the base that he's just taken was taken. Yeah. I 565 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:22,440 always took him with as a pinch of salt until 566 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:25,480 I watched your movie. And then I thought to myself, 567 00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:27,680 and maybe there is something in what he's saying. You know, 568 00:32:27,759 --> 00:32:30,880 everybody's trying to say that he's, you know, making it 569 00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:36,240 all up. But he's also known, he's got. His name 570 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:40,480 is James James Casbolt, and he's also known as Michael Prince. Why, 571 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:43,279 I don't know. But which way round it which is 572 00:32:43,319 --> 00:32:45,799 the true one? I'm not sure. I think James cas 573 00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,119 Bolt is the false name, but the one he uses 574 00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:52,519 a lot well here. Apparently he was taken as a 575 00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:59,240 baby to British Columbia near a town called Nelson, and 576 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:05,799 the operation or was called QQU five two QQ QQ 577 00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:11,640 five two and it was a NSA and AN six collaboration. 578 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:17,480 Now he also talked about Mingler because apparently they were 579 00:33:17,519 --> 00:33:21,039 there and the idea of what he was there for 580 00:33:21,079 --> 00:33:24,079 the first few years of his life. And as babies, 581 00:33:24,160 --> 00:33:27,279 they were actually put into cages with wild animals so 582 00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:30,200 that they would actually also take on those attributes of 583 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:33,279 wild animals, so that when they got older, if they 584 00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:36,039 were in Alaska or the jungle, they were able to survive. 585 00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:39,759 Speaker 5: It is a very very similar thing to. 586 00:33:42,559 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 3: Right, So I believe it happened. 587 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:53,519 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, well, according to him, shall I read you 588 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,200 my notes? It'll be a lot easier to read you 589 00:33:56,319 --> 00:34:00,359 my notes and talk about it. According to Jane, they 590 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:04,160 were using children that had a specific bloodline oh negative. 591 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,960 Their DNA was tracked looking for what he says was 592 00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:14,599 blood prime right, the anarchy blood. The experiments were to 593 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:19,239 try and fracture the mind and cause multiple personalities. Some 594 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:23,000 children pushed the limit to near death experiences where they 595 00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:27,840 had to be resuscitated. Eventually they were rescued by special 596 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,599 forces thought to be Delta Force. That's when they were 597 00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:34,599 in Canada. So then he was brought back to London, right, 598 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,519 and he went to school in London for a little 599 00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,039 where and then he was taken by a woman that 600 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:46,599 worked was thought to work for six called Kate Casbolt. 601 00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:51,840 This is where he's got his name, James Casbolt, and 602 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,239 she treated him like a mother. But he was taken 603 00:34:55,280 --> 00:35:00,400 to Peasmore in Berkshire, to another underground base when he 604 00:35:00,440 --> 00:35:05,960 got a bit older, and there they were in doctorating 605 00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:10,440 them with Nazi principles. The operation was IBIS. 606 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:11,920 Speaker 2: Right. 607 00:35:12,519 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 4: IBIS was about increasing the lifespan as well as making 608 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:20,039 super soldiers who were brainwashed in the principles of endless warfare. 609 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,480 They were told about the one thousand year piece and 610 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,280 how the wars would start in cycles. Right they were 611 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,880 where am i ca Caspolt Pasmore? 612 00:35:35,559 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 2: Right? 613 00:35:36,039 --> 00:35:40,320 Speaker 4: So from there he was after Peasmore, he was taken 614 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,679 to Malaysia to the island of Penang, where he says, 615 00:35:44,199 --> 00:35:49,440 which he says was another NSA facility. This was the 616 00:35:49,519 --> 00:35:54,400 looking Glass facility using again alien technology. He said that 617 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,840 there was there was alien life force landing there all 618 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:02,320 the time. And then an asset of the place was 619 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:05,679 the fact that it was surrounded by thick jungle vegetation. 620 00:36:06,679 --> 00:36:09,079 So hmm, these are. 621 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 5: It's merely identical. Go ahead, Christopher, they're saying it's merely 622 00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:21,000 identical to the Montalk project. It's it's it's everything that 623 00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:24,079 they said. Half there is what you're saying. So one 624 00:36:24,119 --> 00:36:27,760 thing that Alfred Bielick did say, uh, and I went 625 00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:31,920 to go visit him in Fort Myers, Florida. He said 626 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,000 that this was happening not only all over the United States, 627 00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:40,760 but all over the world at that time. So yeah, 628 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,840 those were his words. 629 00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,360 Speaker 4: Well that's another two basis, one in Canada and one 630 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:46,519 in Penang. 631 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,039 Speaker 2: Well, there are there. 632 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:52,159 Speaker 1: Are reports of underground or secret bases all over the world, 633 00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:58,239 especially several here in the US, and not only with 634 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,119 mon talk, but you know, there's the rumors of the 635 00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:03,880 Dulce Base. Dulce, New Mexico, is supposed to be a 636 00:37:03,880 --> 00:37:09,079 big underground base, another base reported to have cooperation with 637 00:37:09,199 --> 00:37:14,719 alien or extraterrestrial beings. You have the underground facility underneath 638 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:18,760 the Denver Airport, which you know, I always love when 639 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,960 Jesse Ventura did his conspiracy theory show and they went 640 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,320 out there to the Denver Airport and a lot of 641 00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:28,000 what they found out there was rather discribing how large 642 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,320 that facility was. And they're still working on it. They're 643 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:36,280 still building underground there. Our good friend, do you know 644 00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:40,760 Nick Redfern Christopher I do, Yeah, Oh. 645 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:41,559 Speaker 3: I know of him. 646 00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:41,920 Speaker 2: I didn't. 647 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,320 Speaker 3: I didn't meet him. I didn't meet him. 648 00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:44,119 Speaker 2: Great guy. 649 00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:46,519 Speaker 1: He's written so many books on the subject, and one 650 00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:48,480 of the books that we had him on a while 651 00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:51,920 back on was his book called Keep Out, which talked 652 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,719 about a number of these underground facilities where they were 653 00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,880 conducting experiments. They were working in collaboration with extraterrestrial entities. 654 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:07,280 One of the stories was that there was a firefight 655 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,239 broke out between the aliens and the US army over 656 00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:14,559 some kind of misunderstanding, and there were casualties on both sides. 657 00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:20,400 So it's a very tenuous situation in those close knit communities. 658 00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:23,360 And with what you're talking about with happening in Montalk 659 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,599 and the secrecy and the experimentation there, you know, it 660 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:29,880 does sound like Nazi Germany, and it's happening right here 661 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,920 on US soil. Now there are the talks of the 662 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:39,280 time travel experiments that happened out of Montalk too. Another 663 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:41,800 gentleman that we've had on the show a couple of times, 664 00:38:42,159 --> 00:38:47,079 mister Andrew Bishago, who tells a very compelling and wild 665 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:50,519 story of being involved in the seventies and eighties at 666 00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:54,639 the same time that you found in your research, what 667 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,719 was things that were going on there. There's a lot 668 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,920 of his story that coincides with what you who documented 669 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,719 in your movie about being recruited at a very young age. 670 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:07,599 And his story was that his father was in the 671 00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:11,679 military and brought him into it when he was I 672 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:16,280 think about eight or nine years old, and then being 673 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,360 a part of not only time travel experiments, but also 674 00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:25,480 teleportation experiments. And then they later on when he was 675 00:39:25,519 --> 00:39:30,599 in college, then they started working with the teleportation or 676 00:39:30,639 --> 00:39:34,840 what they called chronovisor technology based on Tesla technology, and 677 00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:39,679 they were sending them to Mars. Again, very fantastic sounding story, 678 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,719 sounds like fantasy. But as I believe I mentioned to 679 00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,119 you before, the one thing I'll give Andrew credit for 680 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,119 is the fact that his story always is consistent. He 681 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,800 never sounds like he's embellishing. The story never changes, and 682 00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:56,760 it's just from A to B two C. 683 00:39:57,960 --> 00:39:58,719 Speaker 2: Very simple. 684 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: Well, this is what I expec experienced, and it just 685 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,679 makes you wonder. And then when you hear what these 686 00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:10,320 other gentlemen talk about being a part of these projects. 687 00:40:09,559 --> 00:40:14,880 It's mind blowing. Now, let's talk about the gentleman that 688 00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,880 you had interviewed for the four year documentary. There were 689 00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:22,440 three people in particular, two who actually worked at the 690 00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,719 base and one who was one of these young people 691 00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,840 who was kidnapped and forced to go undergo these experiments. Now, 692 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:32,920 which one was the gentleman who had died, What was 693 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:34,840 his name and what was his function at the base.