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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 2>Hi.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, here we go for a nice another weekend edition

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<v Speaker 3>of the Gary and Shannon Weekend Fix.

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<v Speaker 2>Comfy and here.

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<v Speaker 4>Beautiful on a Saturday morning.

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<v Speaker 2>My gosh, the sun is shining? Is it shining? Where

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<v Speaker 2>you are shining? In my heart?

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<v Speaker 4>It is now?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>You're already upset about what we're going to talk about.

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<v Speaker 4>No, I'm not. I am not. So this is we're

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<v Speaker 4>doing the Weekend Fix.

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<v Speaker 3>So this is an episode of the podcast basically that

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<v Speaker 3>you do not hear throughout the course of the week.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, twenty hours of sitting in a room and

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<v Speaker 3>talking to each other is apparently not enough. We still

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<v Speaker 3>have other things that we could say to each other.

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<v Speaker 3>So you found this your face? Sorry, sorry, we.

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<v Speaker 2>Still have other things you can say to each other.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just going to say that out loud and then

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<v Speaker 2>it will be true.

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<v Speaker 3>There is a bio statistician. He's fun at parties, but

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<v Speaker 3>he's from the University of Chicago, and Tyler Vanderweel has

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<v Speaker 3>talked about how scientists define and measure well being, human

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<v Speaker 3>well being? Like, what does it mean for us to

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<v Speaker 3>be well? How do we measure it? Can you put

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<v Speaker 3>a number on it? Can you judge it by scale?

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<v Speaker 3>Can you group you break it down by different demographics

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<v Speaker 3>and figure out who is the most well off of

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<v Speaker 3>all of us?

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<v Speaker 4>And not financially.

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<v Speaker 3>Necessarily, but just we're just we're just good, We're well,

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<v Speaker 3>We're everything is in the green.

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<v Speaker 2>What's his name again?

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<v Speaker 4>Jacob Tyler?

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<v Speaker 1>Jay Van I knew there was a Jay involved somewhere well.

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<v Speaker 1>His first job at the University of Chicago involved him

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<v Speaker 1>looking into studies that measured human well being, and he

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<v Speaker 1>was very dissatisfied with this. He thumbed through all of

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<v Speaker 1>those studies on specific measures of clinical symptoms like depression

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<v Speaker 1>or happiness, anxiety. He had seen that researchers had tracked

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<v Speaker 1>objective markers health, blood pressure, things like that sleep, how

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<v Speaker 1>well you sleep, economic conditions as well.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's his name again?

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<v Speaker 4>Tyler?

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<v Speaker 2>JV Tyler J Tyler Tyler Tyler Tyler. There's a president Tyler.

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<v Speaker 2>Wasn't there there was back in the day?

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, Maybe that's next week. We'll just go through the

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<v Speaker 3>president's names. There's there's one name Calvin.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait Tyler was the last name, though, wasn't it John Tyler? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>Where was he in the lineup? Like seventh?

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<v Speaker 4>Or I never learned that that.

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<v Speaker 2>You didn't learn that song.

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<v Speaker 1>I did not learn that song either. What did we learn?

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely nothing? A lot of nothing. I do have a

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<v Speaker 1>book that has a bunch of fun facts, like on

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<v Speaker 1>each president, and it's fascinating and I read it from

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<v Speaker 1>time to time. I think I've read it about ninety

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<v Speaker 1>seven times, but it.

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<v Speaker 4>Doesn't have anything about the order that they came in.

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<v Speaker 1>It might, it might, but it's more like anecdotes, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>like people who broke the toilet and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, what's his name again? Tyler?

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<v Speaker 1>Tyler felt that these studies that he flipped through when

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<v Speaker 1>he got to the University of Chicago that they missed

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<v Speaker 1>a holistic picture, that they were just looking at measurable

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<v Speaker 1>data right when it comes to the meaning and purpose

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<v Speaker 1>in life, and measurable data is very important. But he

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<v Speaker 1>has defined a more holistic approach to seeing how well

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<v Speaker 1>people are doing. And they're not calling it happiness or

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<v Speaker 1>well being or whatever.

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<v Speaker 2>They're calling it. Flourishing, flourishing, flourishing, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Understood as a state in which all aspects of a

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<v Speaker 1>person's life are good, to which I say, when is

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<v Speaker 1>that one hundred percent the case? Like when are you

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<v Speaker 1>you enjoy doing all of the things.

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<v Speaker 3>You can never be at one hundred on all those categories, can't. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>it seems like having gone through this and remembering this

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<v Speaker 3>guy is a biostatistician. So you're talking about a guy

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<v Speaker 3>who tries to take some sometimes squishy topics like human

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<v Speaker 1>And that's his struggle, Tyler's struggle. Now that I've learned

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<v Speaker 1>his name, Tyler J.

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<v Speaker 2>Tyler J.

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<v Speaker 4>Vander Walden, vander Wheel, vander Wheel, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Knew there was a W.

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<v Speaker 1>There always is after vander But anyway, he is trying

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<v Speaker 1>to science his way.

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<v Speaker 2>Through what you can't science your way through.

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<v Speaker 3>And I think he's that quantify something that is more

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<v Speaker 2>So he and his team have decided that.

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<v Speaker 1>They would look at the non measurable elements of perfect

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<v Speaker 1>a person's life, and just to just get it down

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<v Speaker 1>all the time on this show, and it's contact with people.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he teamed up with another professor at Baylor University,

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<v Speaker 3>Byron Johnson, and they wanted to calibrate the measure of flourishing,

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<v Speaker 3>human flourishing in order to study it more deeply. And

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<v Speaker 3>their big takeaway, big takeaway in a new report that

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<v Speaker 3>just came out was community is crucial. That when we

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<v Speaker 3>get something wrong, especially here in the United States or

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<v Speaker 3>Western culture, there's a push towards you deal with it,

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<v Speaker 3>You rub some dirt on it, You get back in

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<v Speaker 3>the game, take care of whatever mistakes you make yourself,

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<v Speaker 3>and get back in there.

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<v Speaker 1>We've been set up for the fat past five you

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<v Speaker 1>can argue ten years. We have been set up to isolate.

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<v Speaker 1>We have been set up to isolate with our phones.

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<v Speaker 1>Who do you need? You don't need anybody. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>need to go talk to anybody at the store, or

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<v Speaker 1>you don't need to talk to anybody at the takeout

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<v Speaker 1>place or at the restaurant.

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<v Speaker 2>You just need your phone to order that.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, leave it at the door. You don't need anybody.

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<v Speaker 1>The world's telling you you don't need anybody anymore. That's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly what they're telling you. COVID told us you don't

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<v Speaker 1>need anyone. In fact, other people are bad you. Not

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<v Speaker 1>only do not need them, they'll kill you.

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<v Speaker 4>They will kill you.

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<v Speaker 1>I afraid you can swear on this pod. But but

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<v Speaker 1>we have been told to isolate. Everything is isolating. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you want entertainment? You don't need to go talk to

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<v Speaker 1>other people or have fun with other people. You can

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<v Speaker 1>just be on your phone. You know, the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>facetiming a friend and actually being in the room and

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<v Speaker 1>falling into giggle fits is huge. And so that and

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<v Speaker 1>it's hard because it's comfortable to isolate. It's so comfortable.

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<v Speaker 4>That's what I was going to say.

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<v Speaker 1>Just get into your bed and be comfy. And I

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<v Speaker 1>do it all the time, and I freaking love it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that it's making me happy, and it

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<v Speaker 1>might make me happy, but it's not the totality of happiness.

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<v Speaker 2>So you need other people for the totality.

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<v Speaker 3>That same that same feeling is echoed in.

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<v Speaker 4>In alcohol and drugs.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of times you think to yourself, this is

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<v Speaker 3>a great feeling, I really like this feeling, whatever it is,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know doing it is not helping you. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not it's not healthy for you to do it on

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<v Speaker 3>a regular basis, or to only do that, or to

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<v Speaker 3>only do that, or to use that as the way

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<v Speaker 3>to make yourself happy again as opposed to doing something

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<v Speaker 3>that's that's uh creative or healthier whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Only As we all learned in Star Wars, happiness comes

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<v Speaker 1>from within is where the light is.

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<v Speaker 2>Did we learn that? I don't know. I made that

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<v Speaker 2>up to get interested.

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<v Speaker 3>The Global Flourish Study is what they say is the

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<v Speaker 3>gauge how people from different countries have flourished over the

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<v Speaker 3>course of five years. And they focus on six key

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<v Speaker 3>areas happiness and life satisfaction, mental and physical health, meaning

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<v Speaker 3>and purpose, character and virtue, close social relationships, and then

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<v Speaker 3>financial immaterial security, and then answers to questioning. Each of

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<v Speaker 3>these areas tallied up, you get a snapshot, you add,

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<v Speaker 3>you put a number to it, and then you generally

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<v Speaker 3>determine how well people in those countries or locations or

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<v Speaker 3>demographics how they're flourishing. They found something that I thought

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<v Speaker 3>was kind of interesting that in general, people between the

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<v Speaker 3>ages of eighteen and twenty nine are not flourishing because

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<v Speaker 3>they talk about anxiety. The implications of this raise questions

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<v Speaker 3>about what we're doing to prioritize the well being of

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<v Speaker 3>our younger Lisa.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not flourishing from eighteen to twenty nine because you're

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<v Speaker 1>worried about what am I going to end up doing?

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<v Speaker 1>Who am I going to end up with? How am

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<v Speaker 1>I going to make money? Am I gonna make enough

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<v Speaker 1>of it? Am I gonna be happy? I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a constant cycle of those thoughts over and over again,

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<v Speaker 1>and to where you don't have any time to just

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<v Speaker 1>like relax and think everything's going to be fine.

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<v Speaker 3>But you you specifically didn't then sink into unhappiness you didn't.

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<v Speaker 4>Let go of. But I still have work to do.

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<v Speaker 3>I may not be flourishing, but all of these questions

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<v Speaker 3>how I'm going to.

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<v Speaker 4>Make ends meet.

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<v Speaker 3>Motivates me to do something right. And I don't That's

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<v Speaker 3>the part that I think we're not doing for anybody else.

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<v Speaker 1>To go back to finding Nemo, you know what I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and keep swimming.

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<v Speaker 4>It's okay, Well that's a movie reference that actually works.

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<v Speaker 4>I will acceps.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got another reference.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, is it a movie reference.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a show reference.

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<v Speaker 1>A documentary, all right, the documentary about Scamanda. Remember Scamanda's

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't see.

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<v Speaker 4>It was a.

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<v Speaker 2>Podcast and a documentary. It's worth a watch if you're

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<v Speaker 2>isolating this weekend.

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<v Speaker 4>But you're not.

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<v Speaker 1>You're not flourishing if you choose not to flourish anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So I was watching with my girlfriends, not isolating, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was this one scene of this one. It's in

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning. I'm not ruining anything here, but there. To

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<v Speaker 1>make a long story short, Amanda is this woman who

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<v Speaker 1>gets involved in a megachurch up in the Bay Area

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<v Speaker 1>in San Francisco Bay Area, and she lies to everyone

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<v Speaker 1>and says that she has cancer because she loves the

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<v Speaker 1>attention that she gets and it's awful.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the women who she.

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<v Speaker 1>Who was entrenched in this big lie, said she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have money to give to Amanda. So what she would

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<v Speaker 1>do is she would donate platelets and like to the

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<v Speaker 2>And my girlfriend goes, oh, she just wanted community.

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<v Speaker 1>And it was funny at the time because I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>that's exactly what that girl wanted, and she's like out

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<v Speaker 1>of platelets now because she wanted community. But it's true,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like this intrinsic need were born with to want community, right,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have been cut off from community in so

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<v Speaker 1>many ways, whether it's through the phones or post COVID

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<v Speaker 1>or lack of religion or any sort of you know group.

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<v Speaker 1>Even when it comes down to streaming shows and not

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<v Speaker 1>watching them at the same time anymore, there's community there. Hey,

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<v Speaker 1>did you see Seinfeld last night or what have you?

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<v Speaker 1>There's a forty year old reference. But you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, Like, we used to do more things together

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<v Speaker 1>Everything is on your own, and it seems so attractive

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<v Speaker 1>and so easy and so easy to stick to that well.

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<v Speaker 3>And the other thing about it being younger people saying

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<v Speaker 3>they're not flourishing. It seems like you have to not

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<v Speaker 3>flourish in order to know that you are flourishing when

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<v Speaker 3>it does happen in your life.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I know the people that have calmed the

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<v Speaker 1>f down and have flourished, right, I mean, they because

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<v Speaker 1>they're okay with not being go getters and driven people.

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<v Speaker 4>Like they're half where they are.

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<v Speaker 2>They're happy people just naturally, but you have to.

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<v Speaker 4>It's similar to money.

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<v Speaker 3>If you have any amount of money, you don't appreciate

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<v Speaker 3>it unless you've not had the amount of if you

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<v Speaker 3>grew up like my kids grew up, I had a

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<v Speaker 3>stable job.

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<v Speaker 4>Since they've been alive, thankfully.

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<v Speaker 1>You should have hit the crack pipe and showed those

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<v Speaker 3>Well, but they don't remember because they weren't around. They

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<v Speaker 3>don't remember my wife and I scraping by and barely

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<v Speaker 3>making mortgage payments and trying to figure out which bills

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<v Speaker 3>you pay first, so that the you don't get the

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<v Speaker 3>power turned off or you don't get the gas from

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<v Speaker 3>They don't remember any.

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<v Speaker 2>Your wife remembers the crack days.

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<v Speaker 4>She does.

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<v Speaker 3>She in fact, those were the salad days, as we

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<v Speaker 3>refer to them, because we don't say crack in our house.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't say cracking your We don't like to bring

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<v Speaker 2>not even when you're talking.

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<v Speaker 4>About ass Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, honey, let me see some of that fine crack.

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<v Speaker 4>You know we say that, We say double hams.

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<v Speaker 1>Double hams. I didn't need to know that. I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>even gonna ask a.

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<v Speaker 3>Follow up speaking of money, though, one of the things

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<v Speaker 3>they found out is that.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel that's true.

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<v Speaker 3>You're getting a little too close to the nerve there, lady.

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<v Speaker 3>They said that one of the findings is that meaning

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<v Speaker 3>in life and flourishing is inversely or seems to be

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<v Speaker 3>inversely correlated with a nation's gross domestic product per capita.

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<v Speaker 3>The richer the country is, the less likely you are

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<v Speaker 3>to feel like you're flourishing. And if you if you

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<v Speaker 3>just use the context of the United States, a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of people see the only way to flourish is with money,

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<v Speaker 3>with you know, all of this expendable income. That's the

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<v Speaker 3>only way you flourish. At least that's what they perceive.

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<v Speaker 3>When we know, I mean, like you we said at

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning, most of the time, community is what allows

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<v Speaker 3>you to flourish. Community is what gives you the feeling

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<v Speaker 3>of flourishing. You have friends, you have things to do,

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<v Speaker 3>you have people to help out, You have others. We've

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<v Speaker 3>said this before as well, you have others to do

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<v Speaker 3>things for. You know, serving somebody else in a time

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<v Speaker 3>of need, or even just to be nice to them

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<v Speaker 3>makes you feel a whole lot better about yourself.

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<v Speaker 1>So easy to say now but like the twenty three

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<v Speaker 1>had half of her paycheck taken away because I couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>Is like, go f right off with all this flourishing bullshit.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Care that one day I will be happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff sucks right now, but I don't want to go

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<v Speaker 1>hang out with my friends.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to be in bed.

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<v Speaker 4>And you have.

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<v Speaker 3>Because you have that memory, the flourishing that you feel

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<v Speaker 3>today is probably probably that much more.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, uh makes you feel happy?

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<v Speaker 2>It does. It does because that was a shady ass neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 3>They also described, and this what I think is funny,

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<v Speaker 3>Indonesia specifically. They say they don't experience stress because Indonesians

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<v Speaker 3>in general, not me granted, they live in one of

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<v Speaker 3>the most beautiful corners of the earth. Yes, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>you can have an entire two thousand square foot house

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<v Speaker 3>on stilts over the ocean.

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<v Speaker 1>Such a cultural thing it is, and in many ways

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<v Speaker 1>uniquely American.

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<v Speaker 4>It's a badge of honor for dress.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so busy, I have so much to do. Look

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<v Speaker 2>at me, good lord.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, So as you get old as you are now

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<v Speaker 3>in your winter of your years, I'm not in the winter.

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<v Speaker 3>What would you say then late summer Indian summer. Maybe

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<v Speaker 3>I have to pee? Like I said, you are, you're

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<v Speaker 3>that old you can't sit for fifteen minutes without bladder urgency.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, this has been the Weekend Fix for the Gary.

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<v Speaker 2>And Shians Urgency.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, it's better than fecal urgency, unless that's what you're

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<v Speaker 4>trying to hide.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I'm good with that.

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<v Speaker 1>Have fun with all your hams. Double hams, double hams.

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<v Speaker 4>Only two?

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<v Speaker 2>Only two?

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<v Speaker 4>Well there's two for me, two for her, four.

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<v Speaker 2>Hams in that house. That's cool.

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<v Speaker 4>A lot of hams.

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<v Speaker 2>HM, go pee, I used to like ham.

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