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Speaker 1: What is up, Fellowsikos, I am Dana Valley coming at

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you once again with the NBA podcast y'all, Who Sports is,

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Forbes is and Sports Illustrated. Mort Jensen, how are you doing, sir?

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Speaker 2: I am doing very very well.

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Speaker 1: Dan.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me once again. I mean,

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it's I'm amazed that you keep inviting me in to

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ruin your show like this. It's it's very appreciated. How

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are you, sir?

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Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Look me specifically, there's no greater feeling

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than going on to other people's shows and just torpedoing

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their downloads. That's my favorite.

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Speaker 2: It's nice. Yep, same same.

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Speaker 1: We got special treat though, pit shout out to one

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of our Discord members, Brandon wanted us to do a

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Fearless Bold Predictions for twenty twenty five, so not just

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this season, but encompassing the off season and then the

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start of the twenty twenty five twenty twenty six season

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as well. Rather than Mort and I have provided a

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couple Mort I think has one or two more than

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Discord and YouTube and blue Sky with submissions. We had

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too many in a good way, so to narrow them

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down if you included multiples, unless I could sandwich it

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under someone else's as well. I only selected one from

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each user, and we just couldn't get to all of

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them because we had a shit ton. And the goal

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is to do an hour of just fearless predictions for

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the rest of twenty twenty five and the NBA specifically,

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we're not We're not predicting anything about the world at

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large because that would be dark and dank and would

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depress the everyone in hell out of me more. Do

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you have any notes, questions, comments, concerns Before we can

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and ball into this, I.

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Speaker 2: Will actually say that I do have a world prediction

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instead of just an NBA prediction, and my world prediction

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is that everyone will find a little bit more love

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Speaker 1: You're full of shit. Let's get into the real feelers' predictions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so this one is my first one, my fearless prediction,

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which might be a foolish prediction. The Wolves will suffer

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huge free agency losses. Both Julus Randall and Oas Reed

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will leave and then they'll suddenly be on the medius.

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Where's Anthony at or it's going watch list. That's where

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I am. I have nothing to look, I have nothing

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to back this up with. Like Julus Randel, Yes he's

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a candidate. I will say before Wolves fans eat me alive.

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Nas Reed loves Minnesota. I'm fully aware of this, and

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that is why I'm saying it will be a huge

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free agent loss. I could see it happening.

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Speaker 1: This is I would say, And the goal here will

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be to basically we'll talk about the likelihood of them.

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But is it is it too fearless, not enough fearless?

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The right amount of fearless. I guess this is the

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right amount of fearless. I just have a tough like

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is Julius Randall declining his thirty point nine million dollar

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player option? If he does that? To me, I'm just

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assuming he's staying with the Wolves at a lower number for

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a longer period of time, because who is even giving

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Julius Randall, who I don't think is necessarily the primary

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problem with the Wolves right giving him more than the

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Speaker 2: Look, we've said this about players before him. Remember when

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Dennis Schroeder was like, no, I can get more than

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eighty million from the Los Angeles Lakers. And then he didn't.

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that Julius Rangel will constantly overestimates his own talents one

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out of the court, why not overestimate his own value.

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there are no one like on the market, sign me

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up for the max. Baby, here we go. And then suddenly,

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you know, the crickets are chirping and he'll realize, oh,

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he he's turning down those player options? What fifteen million

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Speaker 2: He's gonna get better offers than fifteen though, who.

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Speaker 1: Is more than fifteen? The Nets, I guess could pay

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can play next to, next to Nick Clackson.

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Speaker 1: If they I will say, if they lose, no os,

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Speaker 2: So and I will say, this isn't it's very very important?

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how financially motivated was not just the short term logic

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behind the Karl Anthony Towns trade, but the long term

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logic behind it. Because if you're letting nas Read walk

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unless someone comes in and gives him, like would you

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give not? I guess some people would give naz Reid

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four years and one hundred million, but like, the wolves

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aren't if the Nets give him the Nick Claxton deal. Yep,

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the wolves aren't if he ops out, and that's what's

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probably the right amount of fearless because I think I'd

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be shocked if more than one of these guys leaves.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Look, I want to come in hot here with

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this one. And that's I'm almost saying this is like

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the worst case scenario, but it's it's something feels off

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in Minnesota, and this is my fearless prediction. Like how

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boring would it be if you asked me to come

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on a fearless prediction pod, and I was like, well,

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the Wolves might lose.

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Speaker 1: This is That's the whole point of the exercise, So

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mine is my first one is not as you know, nuclear,

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but the Coupo will be starting end or playing more

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than half of his minutes at the center spot by

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the end of twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 2: Now, oh, hold on, yeah, it.

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Speaker 1: Can be twofold because it might imply that Giannis attentha

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Coupo has asked for a trade and been dealt. But

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it might also I mean, Brook Lopez and Bobby Portis

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Junior are gonna be free agents, and like, what are

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kind of the Bucks doing here with their payroll long term?

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I know Giannis is not this is not this is

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not based off anything we've seen this season. Yannis is

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not a five. How are you feeling about this one?

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Speaker 2: That's where I know you've been paid by Basketball Reference

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because this is the one spot he still needs to

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have every single season be typed out. Because right now

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you go to Basketball Reference and you look at his position,

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it's as point guard, shooting guard, small forward, power forward.

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You only need center. This is you're a mole man,

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Speaker 1: What do you mean I'm a mole I don't I

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still don't understand what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: No, on Basketball Reference. On Basketball Reference, they have this thing. Yeah,

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they have this positional breakdown.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, a positional breakdown. I mean even the cleaning

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the glass. But like he is not a center.

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labeled a different position. So like he's had a full

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year where he's been labeled to point guard, shooting guard,

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small forward at the beginning of his career, right the

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point exactly, he's been a power forward for like the

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past six years. But like that center is the one

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remaining position he's not played over the course of a

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full season. It's like, get you know, bingo, So no,

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or he's trying thirty. No, he has to be thirty

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because he's ninety four. Yeah, he's thirty. So like he's

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you know, he's exactly to the date two years younger

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than me and I'm old as fuck, So yes, that

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is definitely a factor. Bobby port is not really his

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center either, defensively a train wreck at center, So I

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would I could see that. Why not is six eleven

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athletic Yannis at center?

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Speaker 1: Do you think he can be on the Bucks and

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is not traditional center stuff. And I'm not saying he

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can't do the traditional center stuff, but if he does,

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you need other people to do some of the Yannis

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Speaker 2: That was you answered your question right there. Yeah, the

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fact that they don't have something to replace him, that's

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Speaker 1: What's your next one?

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Speaker 2: The Chicago Bulls actually slightly win its rate. That's self experience.

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the Chicago Bulls actually win. It's right, I couldn't justify

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that it has to be slightly only like in the margins.

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Speaker 1: What do you think that? Look? What would that look like?

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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, that's that's a win. Or getting two seconds

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out of Nicolo Busvich that's a win, just like slightly

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Speaker 1: Wouldn't them just acting like an actual seller qualify as

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Speaker 2: Yes? That too? Just the sale here, Yeah, don't you

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just give your old guys away just to start something new? Yes?

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Speaker 1: This is too fearless though, I don't even I don't.

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actively not get back any picks and some people might

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still do that as all.

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Speaker 2: Of course that last one was a joke on my part. No,

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getting more value in return than what you said out?

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want the Bulls to act like buyers at the deadline.

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I want them to do something like that would just

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seal it as just what is going on here?

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Speaker 2: Like you so mean? This is like, so, here's the thing.

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I was a Bulls fan for twenty two years until

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got off the train, and thankfully I did made a

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lot of great friends along the way where Bulls fans

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and dan they are so sad. There's like they're sad

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human beings at this point. They're like just half of

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them are like you have grown as big as I am,

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and it's just it's a mess, man, It's like it's

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a complete mess. They have to have something going for him.

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that helps them find some motivation in life, some slight

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bit of happiness in their lives, let's go for it.

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Speaker 1: Here's one for you. More two of the Denver Nuggets

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preferred starters will end twenty twenty five on a different team.

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prison because Russell Westbrook is currently starting and Gordon's during

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his first game. How do you feeling now? Do you

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want me to? I feel like I should unpack this

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a little bit, all right, go for it. They're not

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going to trade Nikoliolkicch, so that's just one kind of right.

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too important to their defense, but Christian Brown extension as well.

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I think they're correct, believe that he's the one that

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has more upside. They signed Jamal Murray to this new deal.

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be right, that's pretty bold. But in their thing, like

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their current trajectory, couldn't they kind of reach a point

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where they feel like they need to be. Yeah, they're

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the outlook for them. I think even with the you know,

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Aaron Gordon availability overall, like they're fourth in the Western Conference,

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it's like the outlook for them is not as dire

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as it kind of felt at the beginning of the year.

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what's in place enough to continue the course? And so

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point where they will realize we're still a good team,

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but what we're doing, what we tried to do is

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prohibitive to us ever being a great team. While Nicole

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Yoki is still in his prime, and I just look

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Christian Brown, Jamal Murray, Michael Porter Jr. So I'm basically

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saying that two of those three would be traded. And

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even with Aaron Gordon, I might be jumping the shark

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by a year just because they had him into his

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deal as part of his extension. But something about Denver's

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longer term viability just feels iffy to me.

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Speaker 2: I think this would be more fearless if you actually

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named the two that you think you've moved off.

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to be Jamal Murray and Christian Brown.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's a little less fearless. If you'd said Jamal

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Murray and Michael Porter Junior, I would have been right

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there full.

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Speaker 1: And the kids, and that.

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Speaker 2: Would be that would be toasty. No, I like, I

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could see it. I could see it. There's also the

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other side of the spectrum, right where you know, the

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their investment in the youth movement works out and they

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actually come back a better scene next year. Maybe Jamal

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Murray knock on wood again, uh returns to form. I

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mean that that is a possibility that exists. I could

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see this if things just kind of unravel.

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Speaker 1: Though, which again I don't. I don't know my confidence

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meter be on this. But that that's why these things

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are fearless.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Another one for more What do you yacht for me?

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Speaker 2: Beacher wimben Yama has a three game stretch where he

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averages a five times five.

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Speaker 1: That's just not fearless enough. There's nothing you could tell

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me about when by that qualifies as fearless.

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Speaker 2: And see that's the thing, because I was thinking about

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this when I put it in, and I was like,

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perhaps I should have set you know, a five game stretch,

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because that would at least be up there.

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of how many games you would

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need to say for me just to be like, no,

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oh boy, doesn't it really come down to the steals?

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Is everything else? You told me five blocks a game,

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all right, whatever.

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Speaker 2: I've seen so much of him that I'm not even

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surprised when he has like three steals at the end

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of the third So what's the.

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Speaker 1: Number for me? I think you would have to go

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to ten for me to say this is fearless that

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there's a ten game streak. And also with him, it's

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just he can have these nights though, where he had

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eight steals one night. So him managing a five by

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five over the course of a ten game stretch, yeah,

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if he has one two of those outings that compensate

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for ones that are more human.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no no no. When I say averages

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five times, I mean that literally, don't worry.

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Speaker 1: Three consecutive games of going That's.

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Speaker 2: What I'm saying. That's what I'm saying, don't worry the

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other the other one would be chicken shit. Come on,

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that's so I think it.

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Speaker 1: Needs to be. Let's go the old Domino's pizza route

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and call it the five by five five five deal.

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I think the right amount of Fearless is for five games.

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He will go.

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Speaker 2: Five by five. Now that U s you know this

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is for twenty twenty five, I might go with that

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one for twenty twenty six.

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Speaker 1: All right, that's fair, Probably the right amount. There's there's

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almost nothing you could say to me about Wemby where

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I'm just gonna say, you're out of your mind, right.

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I think this is my last one that I have

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in here. I didn't include as many because we had

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great ones from our listeners and subscribers, and I want to

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make sure we get to all of them. Mortz by

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the end of twenty twenty five, Zion Williamson and a

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contract that is completely non guaranteed, which one could make

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an argument those non guarantees are more valuable to other

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teams than the Pelicans will be traded.

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Speaker 2: I mean, if that was supposed to be fearless, you

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are the most cowardly person on the face of the earth.

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Speaker 1: I had others, but we have so many Wemby ones

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that I had to cut down from. So they want

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to have a Spurs or Wemby one in there, right. Honestly,

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I thought about like New Orleans. New Orleans just goes

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through more nuclear and trade to everybody, but trade, that's.

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Speaker 2: The and Eve Missy probably yeah, mes Trey Murphy in

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this year's draft pick, that's the foundation. There we go. Now,

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I don't think this is fearless at all. Look, Dan,

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there there is a reasonable chance that by the time

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this episode airs, Sidon Williams will be in a different uniform.

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Speaker 1: Do you do believe it's more likely that they trade

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him than they just wave him right?

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Speaker 2: Oh? Yes, yes, of course I'll try to trade him.

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Speaker 1: They I just need too many people talk about like, oh,

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what's the possibility of them doing this? And I think

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it's like zero.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I'm not there, Like things would have to

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go like ingregiously wrong for that to make any sense.

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I mean, I'm not there, so not fearing.

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Speaker 1: What if I said, brandon Ingram is still on the Pelicans,

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whiles Ion Williamson is.

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Speaker 2: Not a little bit more fearless, You're you're still a

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bit of a coward.

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Speaker 1: But yes, I'll take it this one from more. I

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think everyone's just gonna be very excited by.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so America accepts that the NBA's future is in

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the hands of Europeans, then unaccepts it only to push

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the herd to America media narrative for Anthony Edward Stason's

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Adam Cooper flack.

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Speaker 1: Why Anthea you already saying Anthea ever is going to

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request a trade? I mean, what is? I will say

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this might be too fearless, because I don't know if

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the NBA is willing to accept it.

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Speaker 2: The public like the public. It's not the NBA, it's

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the public.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing about the NBA has done a

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poor job of marketing many of their international suits, Like

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why isn't Shay being like trotted out there as the

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potential face of the league?

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Speaker 2: Right? So I will say this, they have marketed the

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international players very well over here at the very least. Okay,

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But they also know that players in the US, or

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sorry for fans in the US, tend to respond better

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to American players. And the reason I mention this is

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because I'm still suffering the effects of last playoffs, where

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you know, the national media started driving the whole Anthony

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Edwards is the next Michael Jordan thing. And I will

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say the one thing the vast majority of my problem

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with it was actually not in regards to your euro

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versus US or anything. It was I think that was

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an unfair label to put on a young man still

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trying to find his way in the league. I thought

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that was just such a bad thing to do to

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Anthony Edwards. I think it was way too soon. I

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don't think it was fair to him. And I'm just

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every time we see someone come up with these lists

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like now you it seems like everyone which is a

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red beautiful source now are saying, Okay, Wemby's first in

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terms of like who's the future of the NBA. But like,

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even up till about four months ago, people were still

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still trying to sneak American players in front of Wemby,

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Whereas like, I know what you're doing. Stop it, Like

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just stop it, and you have and we shouldn't even

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mention his name because then he might appear and provide

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us bad analysis. But like Gilbert Arenas saying that the

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NA Green has would be better if the NBA just

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kind of removed all the Europeans, which is just bullshit.

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So I just wanted to get it out there. It

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might even be not be fearless. I just wanted to

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get that out there, that that's the thing that's gonna happen.

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Speaker 1: You know what's interesting, I'm so this is a good

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example of how in my stylo I am is like

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I don't have in any of my feeds or the

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content I consume that disdain for there being so many

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transcendent international players in the league. In the pipeline, however

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you want to frame it, who would be the best

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chance of an American born player being the future face

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of the league? Right? Like, who has the best chance

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of doing it?

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Speaker 2: So? Are we talking about the marketing ankle or are

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we talking about.

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Speaker 1: Actually being good enough? So I'll say you have to

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be like Wemby or Luca's equal or Shay's equal or

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better period of time.

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Speaker 2: That's the thing. I don't think that player's there. I

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mean I I do think Anthient Edwards probably has the

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best chance, and yet I don't think so like, I

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don't think he's up there.

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Speaker 1: The reason I asked you, LaMelo ball, what about? I mean,

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do you think that if they get to a point

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where they have to bust up some of the team

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for financial reasons, like I think I tend to be

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I haven't voted for him brim VP. But like Jason

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Tatum is just really really good and I think he

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does get if not underrated, like undervalued, underappreciated in the

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lens of superstar discussions. And I'm wondering, is it gonna

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take he needs the type of like this huge like

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he can't have as good of a support, like it

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needs to be a Yokic and Denver situation, not or

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maybe not even that stark. But let's say Anthony Edwards

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in Minnesota last year situation where like the support of

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Guess is good, but it's not that good when you're

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looking at it.

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Speaker 2: I think that's it, and that's unfair. You know. I

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don't want to put Jason in a situation where he's

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forced to do that just to like, I don't think.

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Speaker 1: You're definitely more fragile now than they were this time

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last year.

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Speaker 2: It was like, yeah, I think I think with with Tatum,

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it's all about the lack of you know, dominance. And

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when I say, it's such a bad argument because what

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is dominant? But like Yo, you see Yokich, you see Wenby,

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you see when when Giannis is like fully engaged and

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fully locked in, they're dominant in a way that I

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don't think Tatum quite reaches, and it's like it's it's

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like so close. So it feels I feel bad about

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like criticizing Tatum for that because you just want a championship.

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He is definitely, by far the best player on the Celtics.

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He's he's so good. It just it feels like he's

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like five percent away from entering that upper upper echelon,

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and I just have such a hard time seeing where

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those extra five percent comes from.

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Speaker 1: Fair So I'm gonna throw out some what I would

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deem of longer shots but should probably be in the

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discustiat if either of these probably let's just say there's

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there's three years, two or three years where they're just

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absolutely positively healthy. Yeah, Kadzion Williams, h or Ja Moran

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to it.

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Speaker 2: Well in terms of the highlight reels and the exposure. Yes,

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in terms of their games.

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Speaker 1: Now I'm talking I'm talking like having me impact enough

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to where and even if the NBA is not doing it,

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podcasters like us are pushing them as like, oh, hey,

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look at how amazing these guys are.

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Speaker 2: No, because they have to stack up to those guys

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like again, Wemby has kind of pushed the ceiling. Wenby

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has pushed the seat we can't get out of the

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Nikola Jokic is currently the best player in all of basketball.

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I agree, you won't You won't find you know a

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real hoop head who disagrees with that notion. I think.

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And he is such a ridiculously smart player to the

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point where he can dominate games through his mind. Really

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it sounds like a Jedi. I don't think John or

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Sign can do that.

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Speaker 1: I think that's fair. So like even look at it

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as being because oneb is just not from this galaxy,

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looking as like being the second in command for the

474
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,000
league or someone where's that we want to see this matchup?

475
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:13,799
You don't think either of those two, at their peak

476
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,920
and healthy have the type of impact on the floor

477
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:19,559
that could put them there.

478
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,400
Speaker 2: Well, that's the thing. I don't want to close the door,

479
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,359
but I have a hard time seeing it. So like

480
00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:27,599
John Morain, let's say him, for example, he would need

481
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:31,000
to expand his game quite considerably, like he would need

482
00:23:31,039 --> 00:23:33,920
to have like a real sick o season. Does he

483
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,759
have that in him where he hits like thirty nine

484
00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:38,759
percent of the threes, where he's a much more fluid

485
00:23:38,759 --> 00:23:43,279
defender where he's like his court vision improves, like he

486
00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:47,000
gets his assist numbers up, his efficiency up. Like it

487
00:23:47,039 --> 00:23:49,119
feels like, you know, you go down the list of

488
00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:51,079
things that has to improve for him to get there,

489
00:23:51,519 --> 00:23:53,920
and then suddenly you're looking at him and you're going, oh,

490
00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,880
that's quite a long list, and is it reasonable to

491
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,960
expect him to like solve all those things? I don't

492
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,000
know the answer to that. I don't personally think it

493
00:24:04,039 --> 00:24:06,720
would be. That's probably where I am. And it's the

494
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,640
same with Zion, Like he's not a great rebounder. While

495
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:15,160
the while the defense improved last year, he's still not necessarily,

496
00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:20,240
you know, a highly influential defender. His playmaking is good,

497
00:24:20,440 --> 00:24:24,480
it's not elite. His outside shot is a work in

498
00:24:24,559 --> 00:24:28,799
progress at best. Like, again, the list is of things

499
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:31,920
that are just it's it's long. And that's where I

500
00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:36,119
tend to question some And to your point, Jason Tatum

501
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:41,359
is probably the most you know, complete player of these

502
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:42,400
guys mentioned.

503
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,599
Speaker 1: Well, I was trying to think of just like even

504
00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:45,799
younger dudes, so like they'd have more time to marinate,

505
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,640
is there, Like, uh, there's Anthony Edwards still obviously. What

506
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,200
about Kid Cunningham or Evin Mobley Do either of them

507
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:53,279
have the ninety nine per outcome.

508
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 2: That gets there? Yeah, so Caid was not a guy

509
00:24:56,200 --> 00:24:59,880
I considered before this year. I think he is making

510
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,680
real headway. Like if this court vision that he's shown

511
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,119
this year, if that's real, you you have a six

512
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,440
to six point guard was gonna give you like twenty

513
00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:16,119
five ten seven rebounds quality defense. Then the question is

514
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:18,240
his percentages? Are they gonna go up? I think so

515
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,240
he's only twenty three. I mean, yeah, he's got a

516
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:23,039
shot at it. Yeah for sure.

517
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 1: What about Ahman Thompson you don't set that was?

518
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,279
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, yeah that I did not expect that name.

519
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:37,119
That's interesting. I'm not at all there, But like in

520
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:40,920
terms of just the clay that he is right now

521
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:43,920
and the way that he can be molded, that's super interesting.

522
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,680
That's a good name. Like I have no idea how

523
00:25:46,799 --> 00:25:49,000
Like you have to get him into the right hands right,

524
00:25:49,079 --> 00:25:51,119
Like it has to be the right hands that molds

525
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:52,559
his talents right.

526
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 1: And it's just like if he's making this many ways,

527
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:57,319
when his roll on the rockets, it's it's big, but

528
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:59,599
it's moderate compared to what we think of with these

529
00:25:59,599 --> 00:26:01,640
other up a couple of stars. If you look at

530
00:26:01,640 --> 00:26:03,960
oh Aman Thompson's averaging thirty six minutes per game and

531
00:26:04,039 --> 00:26:06,240
running pe offense, I just wonder if he stays that

532
00:26:06,279 --> 00:26:09,640
good on defense and that nuclear is an athlete be interesting.

533
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,759
Speaker 2: But it's it's so it must be a little annoying

534
00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:16,000
to some Americans at least that Shay is from Canada,

535
00:26:16,039 --> 00:26:17,559
because he's the answer you're looking for.

536
00:26:19,799 --> 00:26:21,640
Speaker 1: Uh not Callen Williams or chet Holm.

537
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: Grin love them, but no, no, sorry sir.

538
00:26:27,759 --> 00:26:30,039
Speaker 1: You think they'll be a push to make Cooper flag

539
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:32,599
that when he comes in? What he do? You think

540
00:26:32,599 --> 00:26:34,160
he's good enough to have a chance at even like

541
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,480
being mentioned in that breath.

542
00:26:35,759 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So from a pr perspective, first and foremost, we

543
00:26:39,759 --> 00:26:43,119
have to just mention it, right, like the big white hope.

544
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,279
I mean, that's been a thing we've heard for years.

545
00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:47,799
We've heard it, like, come on, we've heard it. We've

546
00:26:47,839 --> 00:26:50,920
heard the rumplings that oh, the NBA needs a white

547
00:26:50,920 --> 00:26:54,880
player who's really really good, especially an American boardant player.

548
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,559
Like I hate that we have to talk about that

549
00:26:57,599 --> 00:27:00,960
because I don't think that's important, but it's something that

550
00:27:01,079 --> 00:27:04,720
keeps getting brought up like again and again from talking

551
00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:08,680
hats who unfortunately have influence. I don't think it should matter,

552
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,680
but a lot of people seem to do. Like when

553
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:16,079
I and again, I don't go to Facebook very often,

554
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:18,119
but when I do and I go over like some

555
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:22,880
of the boards, I see those comments all the time,

556
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,480
like I'm not interested in the NBA because I need

557
00:27:25,519 --> 00:27:27,599
some leve la. No, there's not a white player, and

558
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:31,720
it's obviously it's bullshit, it's racist bullshit, but apparently it's

559
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,680
a sentiment a lot of people have. So I think

560
00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,640
there there's going to be a level of attempt to

561
00:27:36,759 --> 00:27:39,559
make Cooper flag that guy, which I think is unfair

562
00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:42,359
to him, like he shouldn't be marketed because of you know,

563
00:27:42,480 --> 00:27:44,039
I mean, the default would.

564
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,559
Speaker 1: Be root for everybody to just be that good because

565
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:48,559
those are fun debates and discussions have.

566
00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:51,799
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly And look, I would love it if Cooper

567
00:27:51,839 --> 00:27:57,200
Flack becomes that dude, because I'm while I'm sitting here

568
00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,319
as a European celebrating the fact that people from my

569
00:28:01,480 --> 00:28:04,160
neck of the woods are dominating, you know, the upper

570
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:07,400
echeleons of the league. I'm also a realist and I

571
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:11,119
know that there are Americans that tend to actually say, look,

572
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,960
I'm not going to watch this if I can't pronounce

573
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,480
these last names, if this isn't something that I know,

574
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,079
Like no, but that's we've heard that. We've heard that before,

575
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:23,240
We've heard that criticism before. So I also know that

576
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:27,000
the game in some type of way suffers when there isn't,

577
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,000
you know, an overwhelming American presence, like you need a

578
00:28:31,200 --> 00:28:35,240
Michael Jordan, Lebron James. If Cooper Flag becomes that guy,

579
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:38,599
if he becomes a superstar, like an American superstar and

580
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,359
he's that dude, or if it's Ace Bailey or if

581
00:28:41,359 --> 00:28:44,559
it's Dylan Harper, whoever, that's going to be great for

582
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,279
the league because then Americans will jump in and then

583
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:52,200
hopefully we'll have much fewer of those god damn rating chats.

584
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:58,519
Speaker 1: Well, I guess also another nominee, at least Dark Ariakovich

585
00:28:58,519 --> 00:29:02,920
would think so, but Scotty Barnes based the league, Scottie

586
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,640
bars that would be. I think, I don't know if

587
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:06,000
he's gonna get that good. I have all sorts of

588
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,200
questions about where the Raptors are headed, but yeah, he

589
00:29:08,279 --> 00:29:10,880
kind of has the the archetype of the game that

590
00:29:10,920 --> 00:29:12,880
you would want, like the guy with size who can

591
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,119
impact it as a defender, as the primary playmaker, as

592
00:29:16,119 --> 00:29:20,240
a scorer. It's just all those sort of there too

593
00:29:20,319 --> 00:29:22,359
much of what he can do, Like the scope of

594
00:29:22,400 --> 00:29:25,240
his impact is so broad, but it's also so unpolished

595
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:26,599
in all these many different areas.

596
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,519
Speaker 2: That's interesting. I have another one for you actually, So

597
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:36,440
let's let's assume right that over the course of night spring,

598
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:40,160
magical sprinkle dust falls upon Grady Dick and he becomes

599
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:44,200
the next Michael Jordan. Okay, could the league ever really

600
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:45,839
market a guy with that last name?

601
00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:53,039
Speaker 1: They probably forced him to change it legally, right, he'd

602
00:29:53,039 --> 00:29:55,920
be like Grady maybe he could use the synonym Grady Johnson.

603
00:29:57,519 --> 00:29:59,839
Speaker 2: But like the I don't. I just I think even

604
00:29:59,839 --> 00:30:01,960
if if you had a guy who was like Michael

605
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:04,920
Jordan ESQ. But had a last name like that, I

606
00:30:04,920 --> 00:30:07,000
think the league woul would just be like uh oh.

607
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 1: Oh, I be they should lean into it, because people

608
00:30:10,759 --> 00:30:14,720
honestly love that stuff. If we're talking about Dick, I

609
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,480
think it's time to ask you about the NBA Paris Games,

610
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,640
of which you will be attending.

611
00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:24,759
Speaker 2: That was some fun. That was That was an Eiffel

612
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,200
Tower reference. I love that, Okay, yeah, yeah, no. I

613
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:32,400
I am going with with two buddies who I record

614
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,559
with here in Denmark. We are going to go to

615
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,839
Paris next week to cover the two Paris Games and

616
00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,519
I'm looking very very much forward to it. We'll be

617
00:30:40,559 --> 00:30:43,519
doing some coverage for for Yahoo to do a ton

618
00:30:43,559 --> 00:30:46,000
of Danish coverage which isn't going to be relevant to

619
00:30:46,119 --> 00:30:49,799
your viewers and listeners, but definitely going to be writing

620
00:30:49,799 --> 00:30:53,359
about it over at Yahoo for sure. It's going to

621
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,519
be so exciting. I think I've been there before. I

622
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:59,039
was there two years ago at a very exciting Bull's

623
00:30:59,519 --> 00:31:05,000
Pistons events two years ago. But I will say that

624
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:08,759
the support is amazing, Like the NBA does such a

625
00:31:08,759 --> 00:31:11,119
good job, not not trying to blow smoke up their ass,

626
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:15,359
but like really I came blown away by the effort

627
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,319
and just the amount of time they'd spend prepping these

628
00:31:20,359 --> 00:31:23,880
games for European audiences, like they'd gone all out. Like

629
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:27,039
I love it. I think it's so important to keep

630
00:31:27,559 --> 00:31:30,680
the attention level up over here, and I hope they

631
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:32,799
expand with more games on European soil.

632
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: Absolutely, are you going to be able to get like

633
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:39,119
Are you and Wemby going to be homies after this? Like?

634
00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:40,359
How does this work? Can we get him of a

635
00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,799
cut it of saying you're listening to the Hardwood Off podcast?

636
00:31:42,839 --> 00:31:45,279
Speaker 2: Oh man, look, I would love that. I would love that.

637
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,480
So I'm guessing that Wemby is going to be surrounded

638
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,559
by approximately one point two million media members at all times.

639
00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:57,359
So I am aiming a little differently. We are going

640
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:01,640
to attend some press conferences, some open practices and whatnot,

641
00:32:01,759 --> 00:32:05,559
and I will be attending Adam Silver's press conference, so

642
00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,359
I'm hoping to get a question in there. I'll try

643
00:32:09,359 --> 00:32:11,759
for Wemby for sure, but if it falls, if it

644
00:32:11,799 --> 00:32:15,519
falls apart, I can't be blamed. Like he's back in Paris,

645
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:16,400
I can't be blamed.

646
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:18,240
Speaker 1: I will blame you thought.

647
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:18,920
Speaker 2: Okay, that's fair.

648
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: I will be safe. That should be fun, though, I

649
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:22,640
mean Wenby in Paris at this point, that's got to

650
00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:24,039
be like a capslock experience.

651
00:32:24,319 --> 00:32:27,000
Speaker 2: Yes. So two years ago at the afore mentioned Bulls

652
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,000
Business game, the biggest reaction of the crowd was during

653
00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:33,640
i want to say the first or second quarter, Wemby

654
00:32:33,839 --> 00:32:38,079
just kind of slingers ontour to a court side seat

655
00:32:38,839 --> 00:32:40,880
and that was while the game was going on, and

656
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:44,359
he unquestionably got the biggest reaction from the crowd. And

657
00:32:44,359 --> 00:32:47,559
that's what when he was playing with the Metropolitans ninety two,

658
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:51,799
so so for him to actually feature in these two games.

659
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,519
I also love the fact that the NBA made it

660
00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:56,920
two games instead of one. That's just chef's kiss. Oh

661
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,720
and by the way, in the last episode we did,

662
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,279
we talked about the Pacers gonna be there too, Sincearres

663
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:05,400
Alpert for two games. Love that. It's yeah, this this

664
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,200
can only be a success for the league, for the Spurs,

665
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:12,079
for the Pacers, for fans. It's I'm gonna be soaking

666
00:33:12,119 --> 00:33:12,519
it all in.

667
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,519
Speaker 1: More, you have one more to get to until we

668
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:18,319
get to our listener's emissions, which I've saved a pretty

669
00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:20,880
spicy one for last. Everybody should just stick around for

670
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,160
that and totally ignore the time stamps that we include

671
00:33:23,160 --> 00:33:24,680
because you totically don't have to stick around. You can

672
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,240
skip to it. You had, I'm gonna read it, Delano Banton. Yeah,

673
00:33:28,519 --> 00:33:30,119
we'll have a fifty five point game.

674
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it has to be fun, okay, And I

675
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,200
could just see it. I could just see a guy

676
00:33:38,720 --> 00:33:41,240
coming out of nowhere and having that type of game

677
00:33:41,319 --> 00:33:44,640
like it was Malachi Flynn for the Raptures, Like I

678
00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:47,440
could just see like a late March game it might

679
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:49,839
be in in a couple of months where half the

680
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,440
roster is injured, the rest of the roster more or

681
00:33:52,519 --> 00:33:55,079
less or like sitting out because they have nothing to

682
00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,119
play for. They're just putting this skeleton crew in the game.

683
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:01,039
And during warm ups, Banton's kind of realizing, you know,

684
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:04,359
I got it going. I'm hitting these shots like I can.

685
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,160
I can. I can take a lot of pull ups

686
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,920
tonight like some I have some juice. And then it's

687
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,239
against some team that's disinterested in playing defense, and suddenly

688
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:18,159
you're looking at the box scorer. He's got twenty seven points.

689
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,239
They're like ten minutes left in the third quarter, and

690
00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:23,639
he's like, fuck it, I'm just gonna go for it.

691
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,880
I'm gonna go for fifty. He gets fifty and even

692
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:28,880
gets the double Nickels.

693
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: I fave random fifty point games, so I'll be here

694
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,920
for it. Nice on to subscribers emissions. This one comes

695
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,559
from Morton I Walter Night. I'll tackle this one from

696
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:41,719
d Knits in the summer a fewenty twenty five more

697
00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,840
guys will sign the jail and Green type contract or

698
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,960
extension three years with a player option.

699
00:34:48,719 --> 00:34:52,719
Speaker 2: Oh that's interesting, Yeah, I don't I don't hate that.

700
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,119
I think you have to be a Jalen Green type

701
00:34:55,159 --> 00:34:58,800
of player too, because this was very much the Rockets

702
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:01,039
kind of hatching their bed a little, even though I

703
00:35:01,079 --> 00:35:06,400
still wonder who they would like be negotiating against, Like,

704
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,840
if you're a clear cut level above him, you're not

705
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,079
gonna sign that type of contract. I don't think I

706
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:16,320
think you'd want the security, unless, of course you're thinking

707
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,880
his logic might be, you know, the seven year mark.

708
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:24,199
Speaker 1: I'm guessing, right, So I'm wondering if just like it's

709
00:35:24,199 --> 00:35:27,039
probably something you're gonna see more of, like it would

710
00:35:27,039 --> 00:35:29,519
be a restricted free agency discussion, right, You're thinking more

711
00:35:29,519 --> 00:35:33,360
restricted free agents or would be restricting free agents are

712
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:34,920
going to sign shorter.

713
00:35:35,679 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 2: Because if it's three additional years after your rookie season,

714
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,039
then you've passed a seven year mark and then you're

715
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:43,039
eligible for forty percent that So I will say this

716
00:35:43,679 --> 00:35:46,280
My former podcast host Brian Sapporik, a friend of yours

717
00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,119
as well, one of your colleagues, he brought up He's

718
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:52,400
brought up for a while now. Players are now earning

719
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:54,599
so much money, like just in terms of the raw

720
00:35:54,679 --> 00:36:00,000
volumes that perhaps they lose insensive of like timing their

721
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:04,199
contracts to like that seven year threshold, which I think

722
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,239
is interesting, Like I'm not saying that is an absolute certainty,

723
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:09,840
but I do think it's like it's an interesting perspective

724
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,480
because these guys are like earning forty million dollars now

725
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:16,960
when they're twenty two years old. Is that going to

726
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:20,599
be Like is that going to be a factor in

727
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:23,559
when they signed deal? I don't know, Like, are they

728
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,920
insisting upon the thirty percent max in after their seventh year?

729
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:30,280
We'll see that.

730
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:32,039
Speaker 1: I feel I'm trying to think of, like who is

731
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:35,239
going to be extension eligible after this season? So at

732
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,239
that point we're talking about that is the two thousand

733
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:41,400
and twenty two draft class, right, right, We're going to

734
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:46,119
be extend eledgeable. So you have Pallo, but that's like,

735
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:48,840
I mean, why would he like they're gonna give him

736
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,159
the MAX, So that's not an issue.

737
00:36:50,199 --> 00:36:50,639
Speaker 2: That's a MAXX.

738
00:36:50,679 --> 00:36:53,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a max chet Holme Grin. He gets the MAX.

739
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:55,840
Maybe if they try to build in some type of

740
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,119
injury protection Yeah, he's only played.

741
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 2: Ninety two career games. I mean you'd have too.

742
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: Maybe Jabari Smith that could be an interesting one. Might

743
00:37:07,920 --> 00:37:14,039
Uhkegan Murray, Yeah he's not a MAX guy either. Jade

744
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:14,920
and Ivy.

745
00:37:15,199 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 2: Anything, Mathrine, that's a good thing to like pull up there.

746
00:37:19,079 --> 00:37:20,079
Maybe even Shandon Sharp.

747
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:23,039
Speaker 1: I just what of these the guys that were mentioning,

748
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:25,360
I don't know this is so that's fascinating. I love

749
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,880
this one. I do think this is the right amount

750
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,920
of fearless. I like Christian Brown might be another one.

751
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,119
What is he going to want? Or like Jaye Williams

752
00:37:35,159 --> 00:37:39,039
and Okay, see that's a MAX So like maybe that's

753
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:40,400
a that's a really good one. That was the thing

754
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:43,119
I probably lean towards no, because I just don't think

755
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:46,960
most of these guys. If you're not an Automax, you're

756
00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,719
not gonna have the leverage I think necessarily, but maybe

757
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,360
you're able to bet on yourself though, Like I'd be

758
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,159
shocked if a better think Mathrin did it, I will

759
00:37:55,159 --> 00:37:56,760
say that. And Shade and Sharp just having been all

760
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:58,920
over the place the first three years, I wonder if

761
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,840
a Kegan Murray might actually be a good Jabari Smith

762
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:03,880
is a good example for sure, but a key in

763
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,000
Murray where it's well, you're trying to pay me based

764
00:38:06,039 --> 00:38:08,199
off Yeah, I'm super important to you on defense, Like

765
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:10,559
what could my role be elsewhere if you're trying to

766
00:38:10,559 --> 00:38:14,440
pay me like ogn Andobi wrote like count plus inflation

767
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:16,760
on his extension. The answer is going to be no.

768
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,679
So could you go that route? And if your teams, though,

769
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,840
would you rather just let if you're faced with this

770
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,039
before they enter restricted free agency? For the most part,

771
00:38:27,039 --> 00:38:29,360
wouldn't you rather just let them enter restricted free agency

772
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,559
and then match because maybe there's a or do you

773
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:34,679
not even want to go that? Like why would you

774
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:38,119
give someone like kind of hamstring yourself that way? As

775
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:41,719
part of an extent, Houston did it because, like Jalen

776
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:46,199
Green is such a controversial or divisive player, but they

777
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,679
also have all these other options coming up the pipeline,

778
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,840
and people view them as a consolidation trade spot. They're

779
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:56,079
they're just in such a unique situation. This one made

780
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:58,679
me think, though, I think in this one d nits.

781
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:03,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love this too. It's it's interesting, right because

782
00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:05,840
I do think you need to tow the line between

783
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,880
squeezing the ever living shit out of guy and also

784
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,760
making sure they're respectful, Like there are guys who are

785
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:15,559
going to be super pissed if they get squeezed squeezed

786
00:39:15,559 --> 00:39:19,760
in restricted free agency. Like you also have to remember

787
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:24,599
if a guy feels like he was outright getting abused

788
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:27,519
in negotiations and he ended up with a shitty deal,

789
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,559
that's not going to be a great, you know, starting

790
00:39:31,559 --> 00:39:35,280
factor for the continued relationship between team and player. I

791
00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:37,280
hear you, though, Like the market is set up now

792
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,039
for it seems so strongly benefit from just letting guys

793
00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:42,519
get into restricted free agency.

794
00:39:42,920 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: What's up for us next?

795
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:48,159
Speaker 2: More, the Detroit Pistons will skip the playing tournament entirely

796
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:51,559
and make the playoffs as the sixth seed, And since

797
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:53,639
this would be in twenty twenty five, we're just a

798
00:39:53,639 --> 00:39:54,639
couple months away from that.

799
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,880
Speaker 1: Look, I think it's probably the appropriate amount of fearless

800
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:01,920
because they are as we record this, they're only a

801
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:04,440
couple games out of the sixth spot. But what you're

802
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,559
saying is they need to be better then. I'm just

803
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:10,239
looking at the teams that like Cleveland, Boston, New York,

804
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,159
and even Orlando they're just gonna make the playoffs. I

805
00:40:13,199 --> 00:40:15,000
think that's just we're kind of dead set. I mean,

806
00:40:15,119 --> 00:40:17,760
Orlando is like their record, So you're saying they need

807
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:24,440
to be better than two of Orlando, Indiana, Milwaukee, Miami, Atlanta,

808
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:27,599
and I won't even mention Chicago and Philadelphia though, So

809
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:31,480
they have to be better than two. Oh I'm sorry,

810
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,440
maybe better than like they have to use syrup at

811
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:35,519
least two of those teams.

812
00:40:35,559 --> 00:40:41,159
Speaker 2: Excuse me, that's what I meant. That's that's who. That's

813
00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:44,559
a big one. Like I'm not closing the door, But

814
00:40:44,639 --> 00:40:47,119
like I said in the previous episode, like we're recording

815
00:40:47,119 --> 00:40:51,400
this on January fourteenth, Like the Pistons of one thirty

816
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,880
percent of this season's games within the past two weeks.

817
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:58,199
So like this could be a situation where they're just

818
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:01,199
super hot to a point where they're gonna come down

819
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:04,000
to reality at some point soon, or this could be

820
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:06,840
their new norm and they're just riding through. If it's

821
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:11,280
the latter, hell yeah, Bobby Bucket's first scene has a point.

822
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:17,039
If not, and it's just like a little whimsical thing, yeah,

823
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:18,000
then I'm not seeing it.

824
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,000
Speaker 1: I struggle to see them finishing ahead of both Milwaukee

825
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:24,679
and Indiana without if they make some sort of a

826
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:26,599
trade that we don't see coming, and we're viewing them

827
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:28,800
as they might be opportunistic, but they're not going to

828
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,800
be aggressive at the deadline. If they decide to be

829
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,960
aggressive and do something nobody sees coming, maybe I think

830
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,800
that makes this the perfect amount of fearless from Bobby talkings,

831
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:41,159
though I agree this next one comes from Drizzy Watts.

832
00:41:41,159 --> 00:41:44,760
It's also Pistons related. Key Cunningham will make second team

833
00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,920
All NBA more.

834
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,559
Speaker 2: I don't hate that. I don't hate that that's any

835
00:41:49,599 --> 00:41:49,960
of these.

836
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: I just want to know.

837
00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:55,760
Speaker 2: I think I think people understood the assignment here. Yeah,

838
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:01,400
it's it's kind of fearless and yet still not in fearless,

839
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:05,079
Like it's a good middle ground take. He's got the

840
00:42:05,079 --> 00:42:06,519
game for us, He's.

841
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:08,519
Speaker 1: Got the game. Second team is tough.

842
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was thinking third too.

843
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: He'll be in the mix for third. But that's why

844
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,679
you pick second, because what are the players that you're

845
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:22,679
automatically gonna include over him right now? So Shay Jokic, Tatum, Joannis.

846
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Luca is out helps them.

847
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: Luca Yeah, Luca is like not gonna have played enough

848
00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:33,079
games for sure. There's but like I guess there's excuse me,

849
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:36,039
a bunch of question marks, like well Town's making all

850
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:38,440
NBA team because it's positionless. Well Town's making all their

851
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:41,599
Jalen Brunson to consider Tyre's Halliburton is gonna be in

852
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:43,880
the mix if he can, if he's healthy and continuing

853
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:49,239
to play like this. Uh, there's just it's the I'm

854
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,360
trying to think of. Just like right now, who would

855
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:57,519
I guarantee a spot in all NBA over Kate And

856
00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:01,599
I think you could probably get to ten. I would

857
00:43:01,639 --> 00:43:05,360
say I would assume pretty easily, Like I just like

858
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:08,719
ten spots above him, pretty like shay Yo get wemby

859
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:14,599
uh tatou? Who are we forgetting? Like Johnest did you

860
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:19,679
say Edwards? There's Anthony Edwards, There's Anthony Davis. That's seven. Yeah,

861
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,239
Jalen Brunton or I would say one of Jalen Brunton

862
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:23,360
or Towns will probably finish.

863
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have to have yeah, especially if the Knicks

864
00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:26,480
are that.

865
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: Any Calves Mitchell, Garland Mobley.

866
00:43:29,679 --> 00:43:32,320
Speaker 2: See that's that's funny because like they're playing, you know,

867
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:35,960
a lot fewer minutes this year individually speaking, So there

868
00:43:35,960 --> 00:43:38,440
are numbers, the raw numbers are down, but their impact

869
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:42,519
is ridiculous. So, like you know, educated media members will

870
00:43:42,559 --> 00:43:45,039
immediately realize, oh, yeah, you have to put some of

871
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:48,119
these guys up there, But some media members might look

872
00:43:48,119 --> 00:43:49,960
at it and go, no, they're not playing enough minutes.

873
00:43:51,679 --> 00:43:53,559
Speaker 1: I I like this. I think he probably has a

874
00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:56,679
better If you read this off rip, I think you

875
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:58,880
would say it's too fearless. But he might just have

876
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,320
a bit if the Piston, especially there, if they make

877
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:04,599
the sixth seed, that's only gonna boost ky Cutties chances.

878
00:44:04,760 --> 00:44:07,440
All right, yeah, what are you ready to take us

879
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:08,239
to our next one?

880
00:44:08,639 --> 00:44:11,880
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, the Wolves get further than the Knicks in

881
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:14,679
this year's playoffs only due to health. But still from

882
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,119
Brett Bauer, Yeah, that is fearless.

883
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 1: That's fearless, mostly because the Knicks should win a first

884
00:44:23,960 --> 00:44:26,719
round playoff series and Minnesota is not guaranteed.

885
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:28,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, to do that.

886
00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:31,519
Speaker 1: Like there, I have not seen enough consistency out of

887
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:34,679
their offense specifically to think whoever, they're gonna pull it.

888
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:37,280
But they can also just finish with New York it's oh,

889
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,639
they'll probably have the three seed. You could at least

890
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:42,519
say that. And with the Wolves, it's are they coming

891
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:45,559
in by way of the tenden seed the four seed, Like,

892
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:50,320
what what is this? I think that's that's caps lock fearless.

893
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:52,159
But I don't know if it's too fearless, because if

894
00:44:52,199 --> 00:44:54,440
you believe in Minnesota's defense and ability to kind of

895
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:59,880
muck up a series, I I mean, I.

896
00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 2: Just an antony inward show. I mean, look, that's that's

897
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,719
always I kind of get it, like because sometimes you

898
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,000
just to have that transcendent star will just fucking take

899
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:12,360
you home for two games, right, and then that's enough.

900
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 1: I will say the Knicks should probably be a little

901
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,679
bit concerned that we didn't just dismiss this more quickly

902
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,400
after you get after you gave up what you did

903
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:25,519
to get Michal Bridges, who's been better. But it's yeah,

904
00:45:25,559 --> 00:45:27,159
I don't know how to feel about the But I

905
00:45:27,159 --> 00:45:29,119
would bet on the Knicks winning a playoff series before

906
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:31,119
I would bet on the Wolves winning a playoff series.

907
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,639
I would absolutely Like that's a stance I absolutely have

908
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,079
right now. Next one comes from someone who's like his

909
00:45:38,199 --> 00:45:40,639
name sounds like he'd be a terrible human being. Yeah,

910
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:43,920
when he will be considered a consensus top five player

911
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,719
by January first, twenty twenty six, this person.

912
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 2: Can't even stick within the rules.

913
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,599
Speaker 1: That's not that's not bold enough, because you should have

914
00:45:54,639 --> 00:45:58,639
said by the end of this specific season that would

915
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:00,800
be a little bit more fearless, because.

916
00:46:00,519 --> 00:46:03,079
Speaker 2: Right, no, this is this is this isn't fearless. And

917
00:46:03,119 --> 00:46:05,039
again he can't even stick within the rules. This was

918
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:07,119
twenty twenty five. He goes into twenty twenty sex. What

919
00:46:07,199 --> 00:46:08,719
a moron? Who is this guy?

920
00:46:09,079 --> 00:46:10,559
Speaker 1: Sounds like a terrible human.

921
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 2: Being, absolutely a terrible being.

922
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,639
Speaker 1: Do you have Wenby as a top five player right now? Yes,

923
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,320
I just I haven't sat down to like actually do it.

924
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:28,320
But when I'm sitting here and I'm like, Okay, Yannis, Luca, Jokic, Shay,

925
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:30,320
and then I'm kind of like, yep.

926
00:46:30,559 --> 00:46:34,159
Speaker 2: Right, that's exactly the four people that I have in

927
00:46:34,159 --> 00:46:38,679
front of him. Then I'm hearing arguments, you know, from

928
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,840
people who have Tatum above him and Anthony Davis above him,

929
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,199
and look, that's fine, cool, like to each their own.

930
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,639
I have Wemby fifth fair argument.

931
00:46:49,800 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 1: So I don't think. I don't think this is fearless.

932
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,400
I almost alway say I'd be more surprised if he's

933
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,480
not considered a consensus top five player by December thirty.

934
00:46:57,360 --> 00:47:00,519
Speaker 2: Right, exactly. It feels like this person, whoever it is,

935
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,480
is just sleep deprived because he just had a baby

936
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:04,800
a few months ago.

937
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:06,920
Speaker 1: People are gonna say the comments will say that we're

938
00:47:06,920 --> 00:47:09,199
glazing Lemby too much, though, but he is in the

939
00:47:09,199 --> 00:47:11,920
conversation right now, and that's a big fucking deal. When

940
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:12,719
you're a year two, I.

941
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 2: Don't care what the comments say, of whether.

942
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,679
Speaker 1: The comments are our audience, So you do care about

943
00:47:18,679 --> 00:47:19,440
whether I glate.

944
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:23,119
Speaker 2: Look what I'm just saying what I think? Man, what's

945
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:27,559
up next? The Hawks will win a playoffs series? I

946
00:47:27,599 --> 00:47:31,639
mean that high up? Yeah? Is that fearless?

947
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: I don't think I mean, look again, this fearless is it?

948
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,519
Speaker 2: Though? I mean, look, we've seen seems like come into

949
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,800
the play in and even like go all the way

950
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,679
to the finals, like win a playoffs. I just don't

951
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,159
think it's that much of a stretch in the East.

952
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 1: I mean, if they so you there's a chance though

953
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:53,119
that if they get into the playoffs, they have to

954
00:47:53,119 --> 00:47:54,480
beat the Celtics or the.

955
00:47:54,519 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: Calves, right, okay, but that if that had to be prefaced,

956
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:01,119
If that's the preface, yeah, okay, then this is the

957
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:02,599
CA So.

958
00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:04,599
Speaker 1: You're saying you wouldn't care if they have to go

959
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:07,440
up against the Knicks, who will probably be three I

960
00:48:07,519 --> 00:48:09,039
think once you get paid. I mean, it'd be really

961
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:11,000
funny if Trey Young beat the Kicks in the playoffs. Again,

962
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,280
I'm not gonna lie. That being said, I don't think

963
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:17,039
I think it's for Orlando the first three. But I'm

964
00:48:17,079 --> 00:48:20,480
saying the first three teams in the East, it wouldn't shock,

965
00:48:20,559 --> 00:48:23,280
Like that's seventy five the first two.

966
00:48:24,119 --> 00:48:26,599
Speaker 2: The only two teams where I would be proper shocked

967
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:28,039
is Boston and Cleveland.

968
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,039
Speaker 1: I'd still be shocked if they beat the Knicks in

969
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:30,840
a playoff series.

970
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,880
Speaker 2: I mean, look, I just I'm at that point where

971
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:38,960
I've just seen too much NBA to like really be

972
00:48:39,079 --> 00:48:43,000
surprised at that. Perhaps that's just me being jaded, where

973
00:48:43,079 --> 00:48:45,199
I've just I've seen too much shit like that over

974
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:49,519
the course of my life. Or perhaps the twenty sixteen

975
00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:54,039
Warriors just ruined me, like I'm just not gonna give,

976
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:56,840
Like I'm not gonna give into the expectation level, Like

977
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,960
I could absolutely see this Hawks team just put the

978
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:00,440
Wouldn't that.

979
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: Make this the appropriate amount of fearless? Still, you're saying

980
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:03,719
this isn't fearless.

981
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:07,039
Speaker 2: That sounds all right, all right, I'll amended it is

982
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:09,079
fearless depending on situation.

983
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:13,679
Speaker 1: Okay, so let's get to the next one. So it's fearless.

984
00:49:13,679 --> 00:49:14,599
That's the moral of the story.

985
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 2: Fair enough.

986
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 1: This one comes from at Tom for Life two thousand

987
00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:20,239
and one. A regular comments are on our YouTube channel,

988
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:24,559
What up Tom? Kings trade Fox to the Spurs, then

989
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:27,440
the Fox trade assets to Utah and the Kings get

990
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,960
lowry marketing in return. I would say the specificity of

991
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,800
this just we have to default to that fearless. You

992
00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,800
love yourself, no margin to be like waiting room to

993
00:49:36,840 --> 00:49:38,519
be right or wrong. It's you're right or wrong, and

994
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:38,920
that's it.

995
00:49:39,199 --> 00:49:40,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no, no, I love it. I love it.

996
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:42,599
And and like that has been a rumored thing that

997
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:45,480
the Spurs like Fox. We'll see because the Kings are

998
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:47,840
playing better under Douk Christy, so.

999
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 1: That I will understand Sacramento's direction even less if they

1000
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:57,679
trade Fox and it's not and like so, then it's

1001
00:49:57,679 --> 00:50:00,440
the bonus and lowry marketing and Keegan Murray the Rose.

1002
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:03,440
I just don't like that would be an executively weird

1003
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:05,519
spot to be in. So if a d Iron Fox,

1004
00:50:05,559 --> 00:50:08,639
I think this is fearless for that reason, because a Fox,

1005
00:50:08,639 --> 00:50:10,480
I think it signals more of an overhaul.

1006
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:15,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's interesting. Demartin Rosen returning to his shooting

1007
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:17,639
guard position where he started on his career at like

1008
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:22,199
age forty five and thirty six. That'd be awesome.

1009
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,840
Speaker 1: Would that be the weirdest team in the NBA where

1010
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:27,320
it's okay you have Larry market In basically on his Max,

1011
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:31,599
Bonis DeRozan, Malik Monkey. I just I wouldn't know how

1012
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:32,679
to feel about that team.

1013
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 2: No, no, no, it'd be a weird, weird team.

1014
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:39,559
Speaker 1: It would have some draft assets. Although no, because you're

1015
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:43,639
if you're Larry Marketing, I think gets less on the

1016
00:50:43,679 --> 00:50:45,480
trade market than Fox, so you're not gonna have a

1017
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:48,079
ton of assets left over if you trade, it would

1018
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:50,719
almost be close to a straight up swap. I would

1019
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,280
feel like, So, I think I feel worse about Sacramento's

1020
00:50:53,320 --> 00:50:54,119
future if that happened.

1021
00:50:54,159 --> 00:50:56,679
Speaker 2: Where would that team rank on our league pass rankings?

1022
00:50:56,679 --> 00:50:57,920
That's what I want to know. What the king it

1023
00:50:58,000 --> 00:50:58,320
might be?

1024
00:50:58,400 --> 00:51:00,840
Speaker 1: It might be one because I think confused as shit.

1025
00:51:01,159 --> 00:51:01,679
Speaker 2: I love it.

1026
00:51:02,199 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 1: I like this one.

1027
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:08,119
Speaker 2: Tom all right? So three three way Jazz partly Patty

1028
00:51:08,159 --> 00:51:11,239
Mills gets moved and plays playoff minutes potentially for OKAC.

1029
00:51:11,360 --> 00:51:14,000
After the A. J. Mitchell injury, Cody Williams makes an

1030
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:17,599
All Rookie team and Kyle Philpowski takes Walker Kessler's job.

1031
00:51:18,039 --> 00:51:21,159
Speaker 1: Yo shout out to just being so specific on these.

1032
00:51:21,320 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yo at Joho, Look man, I I have no

1033
00:51:25,519 --> 00:51:28,360
analysis to this other than this is fearless shit.

1034
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:32,119
Speaker 1: I will say it's fearless across the board. I don't

1035
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:35,360
think Paddy Mills would play minutes on OKAC. Uh No

1036
00:51:35,400 --> 00:51:37,159
beg A shout out to Yo Ho for acknowledging the

1037
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:40,000
AJ Mitchell injury. Everyone was talking about how he was

1038
00:51:40,039 --> 00:51:42,599
going to be converted from his two way because he

1039
00:51:42,679 --> 00:51:44,000
was playing so much.

1040
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: Uh.

1041
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: I can't look Cody Williams. Since he's entered the rotation.

1042
00:51:47,039 --> 00:51:49,400
He's shooting like thirty nine percent from three. I still

1043
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:52,079
think he's like you see the aggression on defense. I

1044
00:51:52,159 --> 00:51:55,119
just there's not enough aggression on offense. I don't know

1045
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,159
what the logic would be even if we're let's fast

1046
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,280
forward ahead to next season, because Cody Williams All Rookie

1047
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,599
has to happen this year, M what would be a

1048
00:52:02,679 --> 00:52:06,360
logic behind, putting Kyle Philipowski in for Walker Kesler, the

1049
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:10,920
more dynamic offensive player. Sure, but as a babysitter as

1050
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:17,039
head coach, too soon, well too soon. I love this one,

1051
00:52:17,079 --> 00:52:20,119
though I would be of of the other three. Do

1052
00:52:20,159 --> 00:52:21,719
you think the last one is the boldest or is

1053
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,719
it the Cody Williams for all rookie I.

1054
00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:26,159
Speaker 2: Think the last one the last one. I think I

1055
00:52:26,199 --> 00:52:30,079
think we as an NBA society has grotesquely begun to underrate,

1056
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:33,480
uh the influence of Walker Kessler as a rim protector.

1057
00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:35,199
Speaker 1: Like even just look at that, like I feel like

1058
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,920
that's a huge. Yeah, what do we got next year?

1059
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:38,360
Speaker 2: This one?

1060
00:52:38,480 --> 00:52:41,920
Speaker 1: Oh, we got double double dipping? Uh So SGA is

1061
00:52:41,960 --> 00:52:45,960
the MVP and the Celtics won't make the conference finals.

1062
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:49,320
That comes from Retro Brandon, the inspo behind this podcast,

1063
00:52:49,639 --> 00:52:53,519
and then Dee Knits has Boston and Dallas continue the

1064
00:52:53,679 --> 00:53:00,599
seven year tradition of no repeat NBA finalists. I'm gonna so, yeah,

1065
00:53:00,679 --> 00:53:05,440
the first one, SGA winning MVP. I don't think that's

1066
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:08,280
not fearless because he might just you look at it.

1067
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:10,719
I as someone who picked Jo and the our last

1068
00:53:10,760 --> 00:53:13,679
MVP update, I acknowledge that Shay is just he's the

1069
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,199
best player and offensive lifeline. Not just the best player,

1070
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:20,719
but offensive lifeline and an active participant in a generational

1071
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,320
defense on a team that might just wins heavy games.

1072
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:25,400
The Celtics not making the.

1073
00:53:25,320 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 2: Conference finals, that is spicy.

1074
00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:30,119
Speaker 1: That's spicy because it's you're really just saying that the

1075
00:53:30,159 --> 00:53:31,840
Cavs are going to beat them, because I don't think

1076
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,000
that the are the Magic or anybody else even has

1077
00:53:34,119 --> 00:53:36,480
close to a leg up on Boston. I know some

1078
00:53:36,519 --> 00:53:39,480
people are concerned about Boston of late, So that's that's

1079
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:43,039
pretty fearless. And then the second one, I mean, like

1080
00:53:43,079 --> 00:53:46,199
you should statistically speaking, you should bet against the field.

1081
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:50,599
But right, oh, that's an interesting one. I mean I

1082
00:53:50,639 --> 00:53:53,000
could I could see another team in Dallas coming out

1083
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:55,880
of the West for sure, because it's it's okay, see

1084
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:56,400
should be.

1085
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: The favorite to come out of the West. I think

1086
00:53:57,920 --> 00:53:58,679
that one is.

1087
00:54:00,519 --> 00:54:02,519
Speaker 1: Are there more options to come out of the West

1088
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:05,559
than there are the East? Because I look at Cleveland

1089
00:54:05,599 --> 00:54:07,920
and Boston. I think I'd be pretty surprised if anybody

1090
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:08,840
else came out of the East.

1091
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:11,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, And I'd even go as far as

1092
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:14,480
saying I'd be pretty surprised if it's not okay. See

1093
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:17,519
in the West. Honestly, I have a hard time seeing

1094
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:23,079
like who should be the direct challenger there? Right here's

1095
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,159
the Celtics is the one that screws it up for

1096
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,920
me here because like the first bit from retro like

1097
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:31,199
Celtics won't make the conference finals. That like, again, that's spicy,

1098
00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:34,360
that's that's utterly fearless. Then if you go down to

1099
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:39,039
Dike d Nicks where it's like Boston doesn't make the finals,

1100
00:54:39,159 --> 00:54:41,719
like there's a pretty big gap there, Like I'm more

1101
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,800
inclined to lean into the idea of the Boston Celtics

1102
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:48,519
not making the finals than I am them not making

1103
00:54:48,559 --> 00:54:49,599
the conference finals.

1104
00:54:49,679 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: I think the most fearless thing here is the Celtics

1105
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,400
not making the conference finals, because it applies who did

1106
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,760
they lose to. It's not the Caves. I guess you're saying,

1107
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:01,360
like what that they lost to the Magic? The Magic?

1108
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:05,639
Speaker 2: So retro takes this one.

1109
00:55:05,719 --> 00:55:08,079
Speaker 1: Retro takes this one. That's Balton does not make the

1110
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:10,480
conference finals. There are going to be fireworks there probably

1111
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,199
in the summer. What do we have coming up next

1112
00:55:12,199 --> 00:55:12,719
to us? More?

1113
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:19,000
Speaker 2: Jamal Murray gets spenched for Russell Westbrook of them from at.

1114
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:20,639
Speaker 1: Bass fearless are reckless?

1115
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah? Both, It's probably both. Look, I will concede though

1116
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,440
Russ is played better of late, like he's he's turned

1117
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,719
things around. Are we at that point where Jamal Murray's

1118
00:55:33,719 --> 00:55:37,760
gonna come off the bench in favor of Russ? I

1119
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:38,119
don't know.

1120
00:55:38,840 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: It's politically speaking, you can't do that because there's even

1121
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,119
if you if you're gonna go that route, it's you

1122
00:55:45,199 --> 00:55:47,400
start Jamal Murray and you pull him quickly and have

1123
00:55:47,519 --> 00:55:51,880
him run like bench units. But I just I mean,

1124
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,079
and maybe this is more of a credit to Russ.

1125
00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:57,639
Look the Jokic Russ minutes thirteen point seven net rating,

1126
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:00,960
the Jokic Murray minutes nine point nine net rating, the

1127
00:56:01,039 --> 00:56:04,039
Jokic Murray minutes without Russ six point six net rating,

1128
00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:08,199
the Jokic Westbrook minutes without Murray, that's a what is

1129
00:56:08,199 --> 00:56:09,920
their net rating there? Fifteen point nine? So I mean,

1130
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:14,519
like Russ has been good. I just this is even. Look,

1131
00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:17,280
if you bench Jamal Murray, you knew kiss trade value.

1132
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,760
Just look at it through that lens. This is this

1133
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,159
is too fearless for me. But I love the sentiment.

1134
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:27,079
Oh yeah, I feel like we're hearing more talk about you.

1135
00:56:27,159 --> 00:56:30,280
Jamal always been better offensively, at least of late, so

1136
00:56:30,280 --> 00:56:32,119
it would be a weird time to see this happen.

1137
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 2: Look, be so understood the assignment here, Yeah he did.

1138
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,480
They came in and with the real one. I like this.

1139
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:39,960
That was a good one.

1140
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:42,880
Speaker 1: I can't get there though, No, no, no me neither. This

1141
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:46,000
one might not be fearless enough. From Mike, the Calves

1142
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,519
will get to seventy two wins, that's fearless. It is

1143
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:53,480
like whenever you stay yeah, this isn't the four lost

1144
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,880
Cavaliers team anymore. This is the five lost Calves more.

1145
00:56:56,119 --> 00:56:58,280
We need to rethink everything we know about them.

1146
00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 2: I mean, look, whenever you say seventy plus wins, I'm

1147
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,599
gonna call it fearless. That's just the thing.

1148
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:08,440
Speaker 1: If you said seventy would that have been fearless still

1149
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:09,400
or not fearless enough?

1150
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:13,199
Speaker 2: Still fearless? Still pretty fearless. I mean, seventy is still

1151
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:17,880
a very magical number when it comes to wins, like

1152
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,760
they might get there, who the hell knows. But at

1153
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:23,119
this stage we're not there to.

1154
00:57:23,039 --> 00:57:25,199
Speaker 1: Say we will get at least one seventy win team

1155
00:57:25,239 --> 00:57:25,639
this year.

1156
00:57:27,559 --> 00:57:29,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, because it's still seventy you still have to

1157
00:57:29,639 --> 00:57:30,320
crack that barrier.

1158
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think you know what I think, and

1159
00:57:32,880 --> 00:57:34,840
we're just gonna expand this from I think the Calves

1160
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:36,800
and Door. Okay, see, you get to seventy wins this year,

1161
00:57:36,800 --> 00:57:37,519
I think it'll happen.

1162
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:40,119
Speaker 2: What what would happen if both do.

1163
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: Think about how bad the ratings would be Because it's not

1164
00:57:43,800 --> 00:57:46,679
the Lakers, I don't. I have no idea. If they

1165
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:48,320
both get to seventy.

1166
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:50,199
Speaker 2: I'd be wild.

1167
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: That'd be insane. I kind of hope it happens, but

1168
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:55,119
that would be insane.

1169
00:57:55,079 --> 00:57:58,239
Speaker 2: It really would. It reads two enormous powerhouses, and then

1170
00:57:58,280 --> 00:57:59,960
the Celtics might still win the ring.

1171
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,519
Speaker 1: Oh man, the discourse around if the discourse around Cleveland

1172
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are okay, see if they win seventy and then don't

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get to the finals will be I don't want to

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be here for.

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Speaker 2: That, right Oh no, no, I'm gonna go on holiday

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00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:15,559
for that one. Then the internet can take care of

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that while I'm gone.

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Speaker 1: What's coming up next?

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Speaker 2: More Alex saar NAB's Rookie of the Year Wizards will

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have more wins in the thirty two games after the

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deadline that the fifty games played before it at Will Clayton.

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Speaker 1: I think the second part of that is actually not

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it's probably the appropriate amount of fearless, because there are

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gonna be teams that who did not tank their hearts

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00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:40,360
out just yet that will probably be more inclined to

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00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,760
lose games than Also, I don't know who. You take

1187
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off the Wizards and we're just like, oh, they're just

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00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:48,400
a disaster. It's like if you trade in Kyle Kuzma,

1189
00:58:48,599 --> 00:58:51,360
you trade Malcolm Brogden, I don't know how much worse

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00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,360
they actually get, just because they've leaned so far into

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00:58:54,800 --> 00:58:56,480
they still lean on the vets. I guess if you

1192
00:58:56,559 --> 00:58:59,440
just said, even if they don't trade them Malcolm Rocked

1193
00:58:59,480 --> 00:59:01,559
and Jordan Kyle Kuzma, you all got to go home,

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00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:06,480
right sure, Alex sar, I don't the Rookie of the

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00:59:06,559 --> 00:59:09,719
Year thing? Is Kapsock fearless even by this class as standard?

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I would like to note though he's shown flashes defensively

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basically all year, and he's starting to figure things out

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on offense, where he's shooting since December first forty percent

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from three on nearly five attempts per game, still forty

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six point five percent inside the arc, and he's had

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twenty eight point six percent on in the paint twos

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00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:32,320
that aren't in the restricted area, thirty one point six

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00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:35,639
percent from mid range, but during this stretch more eighty

1204
00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:39,280
percent shooting in the restricted area. Starting to I think

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00:59:39,320 --> 00:59:41,480
you give him enough spacing. I don't know that I'll

1206
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,000
ever trust him as kind of the on ball, no

1207
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,480
shot creator type option, but pick and pop getting to

1208
00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:51,039
the basket, maybe some paint touches. You're starting to kind

1209
00:59:51,079 --> 00:59:52,239
of see the vision for him.

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Speaker 2: I think I've been thoroughly pissed off at Washington Scards

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00:59:57,559 --> 01:00:01,880
this year. I think they have not done a well

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01:00:01,960 --> 01:00:05,119
enough job at getting him the ball in adventatious positions

1213
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,320
when he's actually sealed off a defender or when he's

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in the dunker spot and when he's like, you know,

1215
01:00:12,239 --> 01:00:16,960
one step inside. It's I don't think overall that the

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01:00:17,039 --> 01:00:21,840
team has done enough for him offensively. Now, I'm not

1217
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:24,639
gonna sit here and say that that excuses him from

1218
01:00:24,679 --> 01:00:26,719
the forty percent from the field over the course of

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01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:30,079
the season, He's taken some horrendous shots when he's at

1220
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:32,679
the ball, so like it's partly on him, but it's

1221
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:37,159
also partly on the organization. I think the NBA community

1222
01:00:37,199 --> 01:00:40,079
at large does have a tendency to criticize rookies a

1223
01:00:40,079 --> 01:00:42,880
little bit too quickly, and they tend to forget that

1224
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:46,159
veterans can also make mistakes, such as not giving the

1225
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:49,519
freakin' big man the ball. I mean, he's seven to one,

1226
01:00:49,639 --> 01:00:52,239
He's a constant lop threat. They don't really use him

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01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:56,639
as enough as such. In my opinion, I'm hoping to

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01:00:56,639 --> 01:00:59,440
see a significantly better second half of the season from him.

1229
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If that happens, and if the Washington Guards actually determines

1230
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:05,880
to get their thumbs up their asses and actually give

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01:01:05,960 --> 01:01:10,440
him some opportunities, why wouldn't he be a roy candidate?

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01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:11,719
Like I is that true?

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Speaker 1: Because McCain's going to remove himself from the fold, So

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01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:18,559
you're kind of competing with Zach Edy, Steph Castle, Jalen Wells,

1235
01:01:18,599 --> 01:01:22,880
I think would be the primary like alternatives there. So yeah,

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01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:25,039
appropriate amount of fearless. I like that one.

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Speaker 2: I like it.

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Speaker 1: We got some Bulls stuff. So from Candon twenty five

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01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:32,320
to ninety one, the Bulls finally trade zaclavine and then

1240
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,519
Kobe White averages thirty points per game over a ten

1241
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:37,360
game stretch. At some point afterwards, Maddy L also has

1242
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:39,199
the Bulls will make more than one trade.

1243
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:43,599
Speaker 2: Okay, that's spicy, the first one from Candon. That's not

1244
01:01:43,719 --> 01:01:46,599
really fearless. I mean that, I'm sorry that it's not.

1245
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:50,159
We've seen Kobe White have these ridiculous stretches before, and

1246
01:01:50,280 --> 01:01:53,039
the Bulls finally trade Saclovine, Like that's probably in the

1247
01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:55,119
cards given how well he's playing right now if they

1248
01:01:55,119 --> 01:01:58,000
can get something for him. So like like I it's

1249
01:01:58,280 --> 01:02:02,480
it's I don't know, it's like fine, it's bath water temperature.

1250
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:05,599
I guess the Bulls will make more than one trade

1251
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:06,599
for Mattie L.

1252
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: That is he understood the side of it.

1253
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:12,880
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Oh yeah.

1254
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:16,199
Speaker 1: I hope it happens, because that's what should happen.

1255
01:02:16,239 --> 01:02:20,280
Speaker 2: But like, if Maddie wanted to win this whole thing,

1256
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:23,960
he would have specified which, like which trades, both trades.

1257
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:26,760
Speaker 1: I'm assuming he did mean rotation players, which would still

1258
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:27,519
be a pretty big.

1259
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:29,800
Speaker 2: Right, No, no, no, But I'm saying, like if Maddie

1260
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,920
came out swinging, I was like, the Bulls will make

1261
01:02:33,039 --> 01:02:34,800
more than one trade, and here are the two to

1262
01:02:34,880 --> 01:02:37,079
three trades that they will make, and they just he

1263
01:02:37,199 --> 01:02:38,280
outlined that ship.

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01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:42,119
Speaker 1: Here's the hypathatics. What's more likely the Bulls trade Kobe

1265
01:02:42,119 --> 01:02:47,239
White or the bulls trade Zach Lavine Nikolovuvich and Patrick

1266
01:02:47,280 --> 01:02:52,440
Williams Kobe White. I think you're probably right. That might

1267
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:54,440
speak to how hard it is to trade Patrick Williams

1268
01:02:54,519 --> 01:02:55,119
right now.

1269
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was not that was not a great idea

1270
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:01,360
of picking him forth in the compounding the mistake by

1271
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:05,480
handing him ninety million, that is, Yeah, that's a problem.

1272
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:08,320
Du Up Wreath will win an NBA championship also from

1273
01:03:08,320 --> 01:03:11,440
Maddy l So where does he get traded to? Okay,

1274
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:18,039
seem New York. I think I guess the baer.

1275
01:03:18,719 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's contenders that need enough backup centers to where

1276
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,079
Duop Breath is a podcast favorite, still not playing a

1277
01:03:24,079 --> 01:03:26,199
ton Importantly, he is shooting over forty percent from three

1278
01:03:26,239 --> 01:03:28,760
though since the start of December. I favor this. This

1279
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:31,960
is the appropriate There's there's big if we're being real,

1280
01:03:32,159 --> 01:03:34,320
I mean, even Denver needs kind of a backup center

1281
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:36,000
and he's so cheap, Like, is there anything you could

1282
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:39,599
give up? This is probably more likely than it should be.

1283
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:43,400
Speaker 2: You know what people seem to have forgotten in this

1284
01:03:43,480 --> 01:03:46,000
exercise is that you could have also said du up

1285
01:03:46,039 --> 01:03:49,760
Breath will win an NBA Cup championship, because that would

1286
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:51,159
be fall within twenty twenty five.

1287
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:53,639
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be fearless, though, because whatever team he's on

1288
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,800
is clearly going to be an NBA Cup contender. I

1289
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,400
would think I like that one though. This next one,

1290
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,199
we got two that are related to the Phoenix Sons.

1291
01:04:01,679 --> 01:04:05,400
The Sons will trade Kevin Durant from Nicole Kolev and

1292
01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:07,480
by the end of the year, two of the Sons

1293
01:04:07,559 --> 01:04:11,320
is Big three won't be in Phoenix anymore. From Stats Center.

1294
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 2: Oh like, okay, hmmm, the first one. That's spicy.

1295
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:24,880
Speaker 1: But I think here's what I'm thinking there. I mean,

1296
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:27,920
I guess because we're separating this is there. If you're

1297
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:29,760
saying two of the Sons is Big three won't be

1298
01:04:29,800 --> 01:04:33,840
in Phoenix anymore, that's random beal Well, I was gonna say,

1299
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,599
isn't it Durant and Booker, Because what's the scenario that

1300
01:04:36,639 --> 01:04:39,480
you would trade Bradley Beale and then it makes you

1301
01:04:39,519 --> 01:04:41,360
then go ahead and trade Kevin Durant. You're just saying,

1302
01:04:41,400 --> 01:04:44,679
let's say they make the Jimmy Butler trade, it fails spectacularly,

1303
01:04:44,800 --> 01:04:46,559
and then Kevin Durant wants out over the off season.

1304
01:04:46,639 --> 01:04:49,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're probably right, they're not. They're not gonna trade

1305
01:04:49,199 --> 01:04:50,800
book though, that he's their guy.

1306
01:04:51,119 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: Like, if you're trading Kevin Durant, yeah you should. What's

1307
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,800
the point at that stage of keeping Devin Booker?

1308
01:04:57,199 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1309
01:04:58,239 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: Or I shouldn't say, what's the point of keeping Devin

1310
01:04:59,840 --> 01:05:01,199
b Or why would Devin Booker.

1311
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:01,519
Speaker 2: Want to be there?

1312
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:04,599
Speaker 1: Well?

1313
01:05:04,639 --> 01:05:06,800
Speaker 2: He does love it there, but I do agree that

1314
01:05:06,800 --> 01:05:09,960
that's a situation where he'll have to competitively look into

1315
01:05:09,960 --> 01:05:13,280
the mirror and say, can I justify sticking around? I

1316
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,760
don't know, but like we agree, the stats Center won

1317
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:16,199
this one.

1318
01:05:17,199 --> 01:05:19,239
Speaker 1: He you know what would have been the real mega

1319
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:22,079
fearless is all three of them get traded. It's yeah,

1320
01:05:22,119 --> 01:05:24,000
oh they make the Butler trade, or they get rid

1321
01:05:24,039 --> 01:05:27,239
of Bradley Beal. It still fails. Durant says he wants

1322
01:05:27,239 --> 01:05:29,880
out and won't resign on an extension. Then Booker looks

1323
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,280
around and says, I don't know what the future is here.

1324
01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:37,400
I want out, not off the table. Suns have been

1325
01:05:37,400 --> 01:05:40,119
a little frisk years of late, but I wouldn't the

1326
01:05:40,199 --> 01:05:42,320
Sun's trading Kevin Durant if I had to do you

1327
01:05:42,320 --> 01:05:44,320
think Kevin Rhant will be on the Suns to start

1328
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:44,920
next season.

1329
01:05:47,159 --> 01:05:50,639
Speaker 2: I think so. I think so because look, I don't

1330
01:05:50,679 --> 01:05:53,599
think he'll be satisfied with all these short tenures to

1331
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:56,599
wrap up his career. I think he wants to stick

1332
01:05:56,639 --> 01:05:57,400
it through a little bit.

1333
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:01,239
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna be gone.

1334
01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:03,239
Speaker 2: You think he's gonna gone, okay, And I.

1335
01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:05,440
Speaker 1: Think he'll probably be on like the Warriors. I think

1336
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:06,800
there's just gonna be a reunion there.

1337
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:09,320
Speaker 2: That's the I would love that.

1338
01:06:09,320 --> 01:06:11,119
Speaker 1: That was my fearless prediction, by the way, that I

1339
01:06:11,119 --> 01:06:12,920
deleted so that we could include this one.

1340
01:06:13,039 --> 01:06:15,639
Speaker 2: I love that. I am so on that one because

1341
01:06:15,639 --> 01:06:17,880
that was that was one I wanted to see a

1342
01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:21,280
while ago, and it didn't happen. And I was very

1343
01:06:21,320 --> 01:06:24,800
sad because Kevin Durand and Stephen Curry together makes me smile.

1344
01:06:25,719 --> 01:06:28,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were a hell of a duo. So state

1345
01:06:28,719 --> 01:06:32,440
of the Sun's perpetually debatable apparently, though, that was it

1346
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,800
for us. MORT thank everybody for their submissions. I think

1347
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,599
what was the I know we're not staring at them anymore,

1348
01:06:38,599 --> 01:06:41,960
but what was the biggest Is it the Suns losing

1349
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:43,679
two of their big three? That's the one we just cover.

1350
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:46,199
Speaker 2: Is that the that that's up there, or it's the

1351
01:06:46,199 --> 01:06:47,920
bulls making two trades.

1352
01:06:49,920 --> 01:06:52,039
Speaker 1: Well, because you could game that one to say they

1353
01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:53,079
traded Tory Craig.

1354
01:06:53,639 --> 01:06:56,239
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's true, that's true.

1355
01:06:56,639 --> 01:06:58,719
Speaker 1: Actually, you know what, Cleveland had seventy two wins.

1356
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:01,239
Speaker 2: That was also pretty spicy. There was one one of

1357
01:07:01,239 --> 01:07:03,880
the first ones as well, was pretty spicy.

1358
01:07:04,719 --> 01:07:07,239
Speaker 1: I mean, you're trying to shout out yourself here.

1359
01:07:07,760 --> 01:07:11,679
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, well, lord Norris, I have the ego. No,

1360
01:07:11,719 --> 01:07:15,639
there was one that was super specific. Was it like

1361
01:07:15,679 --> 01:07:19,159
the King? Yeah? It was also feel that sent Laurid

1362
01:07:19,239 --> 01:07:21,800
Marketing to the Lauri Marketing to the Kings and Jaron

1363
01:07:21,840 --> 01:07:24,679
Fox the Spurs. That was spicy as hell because that

1364
01:07:24,760 --> 01:07:26,920
was so complicated. It was like, yeah, it has to

1365
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:29,679
happen exactly like that. I think that was a good one.

1366
01:07:30,039 --> 01:07:32,159
Speaker 1: Apology that we did not get to more of them,

1367
01:07:32,239 --> 01:07:34,880
but this was fun. We always loved the crowdsourcing exercise.

1368
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:37,480
That's why you should join our discord because that's where

1369
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,000
we predominantly do these crowdsourcings. Although I do throw mom

1370
01:07:40,039 --> 01:07:42,280
Blue Sky and we had a lot of YouTube's emissions

1371
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:44,000
this time too, so I should probably use our YouTube

1372
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:46,440
channel a little bit more, but more as ever, you're

1373
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:48,000
able to tell our listeners where they could find you

1374
01:07:48,079 --> 01:07:49,800
and all the fantastic work that you do.

1375
01:07:50,079 --> 01:07:52,199
Speaker 2: I am, but I will also ask you, sir before

1376
01:07:52,239 --> 01:07:55,519
we won't uman what was the worst one, because there

1377
01:07:55,559 --> 01:07:58,639
was that guy beats pork or something like that was awful.

1378
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,880
That was terrible, That was awful.

1379
01:08:01,239 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: Honestly, why did you waste I don't know why I

1380
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:03,480
included it.

1381
01:08:03,480 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 2: That was an error? No, no, just that what a

1382
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,880
sad human being. Honestly, I agree.

1383
01:08:08,599 --> 01:08:10,360
Speaker 1: With everything you said. Now tell our listeners where they

1384
01:08:10,360 --> 01:08:11,800
can find you.

1385
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:15,159
Speaker 2: You can find my work over at MSJ NBA on

1386
01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:18,640
Blue Sky. You can find me at Yahoo Sports, at Forbes,

1387
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:21,760
at Sports Illustrated. I also have a podcast named the

1388
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:25,159
NBA Podcast where you also listen to this episode because

1389
01:08:25,239 --> 01:08:29,279
we are actually double crossing. We're crossing our streams where

1390
01:08:29,319 --> 01:08:36,760
the Ghostbusters on this one, and so you can find

1391
01:08:37,159 --> 01:08:39,159
my work there. I also do a due bunch of

1392
01:08:39,159 --> 01:08:41,520
stuff in Danish, but that doesn't really apply to you.

1393
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:43,960
So unless you want to go like, do a link

1394
01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:47,279
and learn Danish. Yeah, yeah, if you want to learn Danish,

1395
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:49,520
go to dual Linko and then listen to some of

1396
01:08:49,560 --> 01:08:51,479
my stuff. You can do that. I have a Danish

1397
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,520
podcast called Buster Beet and go Nuts.

1398
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:57,159
Speaker 1: Until next time, And as always, I speak for more

1399
01:08:57,199 --> 01:08:59,239
when I say shout out to the one, the only,

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01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:02,720
the indelible. There is no prediction, too fearless or too

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bold that encapsulates him because he is a legend, mister

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