WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.200 --> 00:00:02.160 We're doing mind putting that death stick out. 2 00:00:03.040 --> 00:00:04.400 But this is a bar. 3 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:06.599 Isn't smoking illegal in bars here? 4 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:09.279 Not in Colorado? Oh my god? 5 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:11.199 What kind of backward hickstate is this? 6 00:00:12.119 --> 00:00:14.560 Look? Man, I worked fourteen hours a day at the sawmill. 7 00:00:14.759 --> 00:00:16.679 I just got off work and I need to relax. 8 00:00:16.920 --> 00:00:19.120 Well, when I relax, I just go to my vacation 9 00:00:19.239 --> 00:00:22.559 house in Hawaii. I ain't got a vacation house in Hawaii. 10 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:26.719 Your vacation house in Mexico's in whatever it is. Look, 11 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:29.600 you are putting my life and these voice life in 12 00:00:29.679 --> 00:00:32.159 change of by smoking that in here. And I'm not 13 00:00:32.240 --> 00:00:35.920 good Colerado. I will in smoking in bars in Colorado? 14 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:40.640 They were being a more smoking. Isn't he ayesing you? Guys? 15 00:00:40.759 --> 00:00:41.520 What dude? 16 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:43.840 He just goes around imposing his will on people. He's 17 00:00:43.880 --> 00:00:48.439 my ida kick ass. 18 00:00:49.399 --> 00:00:51.719 Welcome to Going Down to Sounds, part the podcast where 19 00:00:51.719 --> 00:00:53.960 we always have oursells the time, and here today we 20 00:00:54.000 --> 00:00:56.079 are going to be reviewing an episode in what I 21 00:00:56.159 --> 00:00:58.479 refer to as the Smoke Free Studio. So I'm dann 22 00:00:58.520 --> 00:01:00.200 to mister guard Davis, please put it that Siegert. I 23 00:01:00.240 --> 00:01:03.960 think Tom you butt out better butt out. I'm guy 24 00:01:04.079 --> 00:01:05.120 yes indeed, and he's Dan. 25 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:07.359 Oh yes, and we are indeed going down to South 26 00:01:07.359 --> 00:01:10.159 Park for the episode but out episode thirteen. 27 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:12.920 Of season seven. You want to take a vacation, that's 28 00:01:12.959 --> 00:01:14.480 a cigaretteses like your vacation. 29 00:01:15.560 --> 00:01:17.640 That would mean that I still smoke, which I do 30 00:01:18.040 --> 00:01:22.560 very very very very very very very infrequently, and when 31 00:01:22.599 --> 00:01:25.400 I do these days, it's like, oh, yeah, there's a 32 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:30.879 reason I quit. Look, I can't say in good conscience 33 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:33.280 that if I could go back in time to say, 34 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:37.040 I think it was about nineteen eighty nine that I 35 00:01:37.079 --> 00:01:39.840 smoked my first cigarette. Earnest, I would not necessarily say 36 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:42.640 to that young man, hey, don't you do that. I mean, 37 00:01:43.400 --> 00:01:45.000 here's here's the dirty little secret. 38 00:01:45.040 --> 00:01:46.319 I really enjoyed smoking. 39 00:01:46.840 --> 00:01:49.280 It was great. It made me look super cool. You 40 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:51.159 started a lot of interesting conversation with a lot of 41 00:01:51.200 --> 00:01:53.480 interesting people out in the smoking area, or just even 42 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:55.519 as eye because back in the day when I was smoking, 43 00:01:56.040 --> 00:01:58.760 you smoked in nightclubs, you smoked in bars, you smoked indoors. 44 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:02.120 Well, it was just the was people smoked. It was yeah. 45 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:04.239 I mean, you started a conversation with a girl or 46 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:06.840 whoever you were interested in by bring a cigarette or 47 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:10.400 asking for a light. That's how I started at least 48 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:12.120 one relationship asking someone for a light. 49 00:02:12.360 --> 00:02:15.000 So I grew up with parents who both didn't smoke. Right. 50 00:02:15.159 --> 00:02:17.319 But then we go through old photo albums and I 51 00:02:17.360 --> 00:02:19.199 see photos of my mum sitting there with a cigarette 52 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:23.400 in their mouth at the bar table where we're having drinks. Ok, Mom, 53 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:25.759 you smoked. She goes, yeah, everyone smoked. But once I 54 00:02:25.800 --> 00:02:27.240 got pregnant with you had to stop. And I went, 55 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:29.120 you never wanted to smoke again. She goes, no, you 56 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:30.840 had to stop. I went, some people just have that 57 00:02:30.840 --> 00:02:33.000 willpower to be able to stop. But it's weird for 58 00:02:33.039 --> 00:02:35.840 me to go back raising a household where smoking was 59 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:37.680 not seen as evil of the enemy, but it was 60 00:02:37.719 --> 00:02:39.439 just no, we don't smoke, and my mom would very 61 00:02:39.520 --> 00:02:42.159 much be really annoyed if we smoked. But seeing photos 62 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:44.039 of them smoking when they were young, and she goes, yeah, look, 63 00:02:44.319 --> 00:02:46.840 I learned that smoking is bad for you, so I 64 00:02:46.879 --> 00:02:47.879 didn't want you to do it. 65 00:02:48.120 --> 00:02:50.319 Sure you know I understand completely. I mean I was 66 00:02:50.319 --> 00:02:53.280 speaking about this with the Lovely Lois's mother on the 67 00:02:53.280 --> 00:02:55.039 weekend when she was over and watching the footy with us, 68 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:57.439 and I don't know how the topic of smoking came up. 69 00:02:57.479 --> 00:02:58.960 But that's what I think she was asking about. 70 00:02:59.599 --> 00:03:00.759 Just for a lot she did. 71 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:03.560 It's like see Louise. 72 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:05.280 A upgrade. 73 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:08.199 No, no, no, no, I think she was asking Yeah, 74 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:10.639 she was asking about my mum because my mother, Margaret 75 00:03:10.639 --> 00:03:13.599 Mary God bless her little struggle with her health at 76 00:03:13.639 --> 00:03:14.280 the moment. 77 00:03:14.520 --> 00:03:15.759 She's start smoking. 78 00:03:16.039 --> 00:03:19.639 Well, she's wrestled them for seem for a little while now, 79 00:03:20.159 --> 00:03:22.599 and being the vintage that she is, I mean she 80 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:24.159 probably had a few cigarettes back in the day, but 81 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:25.400 she never really smoked all that much. 82 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:27.319 My dad never did. No one well, he was a 83 00:03:27.319 --> 00:03:29.439 football he was. He was a sportsman. Yeah, although you 84 00:03:29.479 --> 00:03:31.199 do see a lot of photos of a footballs and 85 00:03:31.199 --> 00:03:32.599 a half. So I'm having a meat pine a cigarette 86 00:03:32.599 --> 00:03:36.120 having having a dart on the on the we used 87 00:03:36.159 --> 00:03:40.280 to build things in this country. But all my sisters 88 00:03:40.560 --> 00:03:43.680 and I were were smokers. Yeah, and just I. 89 00:03:43.599 --> 00:03:45.479 Grew up in a house where you know, there were 90 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:47.319 ashtrays around all the time and they usually had a 91 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:49.159 few butts in them. And you know, one of my 92 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:52.680 sisters still does not chain smokes, but you know, has 93 00:03:52.759 --> 00:03:54.000 like one or two at the end of the day. 94 00:03:54.840 --> 00:03:55.039 Yeah. 95 00:03:55.039 --> 00:03:57.240 Look, it's it's it's a terrible habit. It's not good 96 00:03:57.240 --> 00:03:59.240 for your health, it's it's certainly not good for your wallet. 97 00:03:59.280 --> 00:04:01.879 And these in these particularly in Australia. I mean, I 98 00:04:02.400 --> 00:04:04.919 was stunned. I went to America, oh, probably about ten 99 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:07.840 years ago now, but even then, in Australia, smokes were like, 100 00:04:08.319 --> 00:04:10.560 holy shit, there's much of a pack you get over there, 101 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:12.960 and it was like maybe a quarter. It's like, holy moly, 102 00:04:13.159 --> 00:04:17.399 I'm back on the darts. But yeah, it's a terrible abbit. 103 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:18.839 But at the same time, I had a lot of 104 00:04:18.839 --> 00:04:19.480 fun doing it. 105 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:21.920 But there's a lot of delve into that topic with 106 00:04:21.959 --> 00:04:24.399 this episode because it's one of those topics where I 107 00:04:24.439 --> 00:04:27.720 feel like you can argue it really well from both sides. 108 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:31.319 Were a lot of valid points pro and against cigarette smokes. 109 00:04:31.360 --> 00:04:34.319 But there's people I can understand a someone who's never smoked, Right, 110 00:04:34.879 --> 00:04:37.639 I don't like smoking. I don't smell of smoke. Really, 111 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:39.800 I have nothing against you people who decide to smoke, 112 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:43.439 and that's the right mentality. Don't begrudge people who want 113 00:04:43.439 --> 00:04:45.480 to smoke. They want to smoke, that's their choice, right, 114 00:04:45.879 --> 00:04:48.319 I personally don't like smoking. I have argent says, and 115 00:04:48.360 --> 00:04:50.079 why I don't like smoking. But there are people, as 116 00:04:50.079 --> 00:04:53.199 they mentioned in this episode Tray and Matt the worker 117 00:04:53.240 --> 00:04:55.600 for example at the bar who says, I've just worked 118 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:58.399 a forty hour shift at the mill. I need an escape. 119 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:00.560 And in the commentary, Tray and Matt was saying on 120 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:04.519 the lines of they wish that people had the choice. 121 00:05:04.560 --> 00:05:07.040 Still right, they're very much. They say that this episode 122 00:05:07.079 --> 00:05:09.759 is what many reporters refer to when they say that 123 00:05:09.879 --> 00:05:12.839 are conservative. They say, you know they which if you 124 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:14.839 watch South Park in this entirely, they are not. 125 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:16.800 Conservat Yeah, there's something I want to talk about, but 126 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:17.199 please go on. 127 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:19.800 Yeah, but I think it's this episode, if anything, is 128 00:05:19.839 --> 00:05:22.240 against being conservative, because with their idea of this episode, 129 00:05:22.279 --> 00:05:24.800 their point is it should be pro choice. If you're 130 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:27.040 pro choice, they usually means you're not conservative. 131 00:05:28.920 --> 00:05:31.560 What Tray and Matter often and what South Park is 132 00:05:31.600 --> 00:05:34.759 often referred to as. Look, I may be misrepresentatives, but 133 00:05:34.959 --> 00:05:37.160 I think it's generally called libertarian, which is kind of 134 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:40.160 like everyone should have the opportunity and the right to 135 00:05:40.240 --> 00:05:42.959 make their own decisions. They shouldn't have rules imposed on 136 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:45.519 them by government or whatever. I mean, we're not talking 137 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:48.000 about anarchy here, but we're talking about allow people the 138 00:05:48.120 --> 00:05:50.839 right to make their own decisions and make their own 139 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:54.399 mistakes in that regard, And for me, this is probably 140 00:05:55.759 --> 00:05:57.879 maybe the first episode of South Park where that really 141 00:05:57.920 --> 00:06:00.800 comes through loud and clear, where the message here is 142 00:06:00.879 --> 00:06:03.240 kind of like, stop imposing your will. 143 00:06:03.240 --> 00:06:03.519 Honest. 144 00:06:03.839 --> 00:06:06.079 I know you're I know you've got the best intentions here, 145 00:06:06.079 --> 00:06:08.319 but you're really coming across as kind of a bully. 146 00:06:08.319 --> 00:06:10.319 And I think they even't referred to Rob Bryner, who 147 00:06:10.519 --> 00:06:13.360 is caricatured in this episode as kind of a fascist. 148 00:06:13.800 --> 00:06:17.399 Mister oos, mister, poor old Rob Braner. 149 00:06:17.480 --> 00:06:19.240 We'll talk about him as well. Yeah, they point out 150 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:21.480 in the commentary they love his movies. They think he's great, 151 00:06:21.519 --> 00:06:23.839 and they in particular Spinal Tap is one of the 152 00:06:23.879 --> 00:06:27.360 films that made Trey want to turn music into comedy. 153 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:30.439 Oh absolutely, yeah, yeah, but yeah, the thing about Rob 154 00:06:30.439 --> 00:06:32.160 Brianer is he yet you had a really sort of 155 00:06:32.959 --> 00:06:37.439 unimpeachable run from say as a director, from say the 156 00:06:37.439 --> 00:06:41.639 mid eightiest five ish, Yeah, around yeah, early nineties or so, 157 00:06:41.800 --> 00:06:42.240 and then. 158 00:06:42.360 --> 00:06:44.639 He didn't he did Harry Matt Salius, Well he did. 159 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:45.959 He knows that ninety five, wasn't it. 160 00:06:46.000 --> 00:06:48.360 That's around eighty nine. What's that not, so he's got 161 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:49.360 ninety five everything. 162 00:06:49.480 --> 00:06:52.519 You've got male yeah, which is not him, which is 163 00:06:52.560 --> 00:06:54.240 not him. But all these films like you've got male 164 00:06:54.279 --> 00:06:56.560 Slips in Seattle and both Tom Hanks and you've got 165 00:06:56.759 --> 00:06:58.199 When Harry at Sally, I just feel like all these 166 00:06:58.199 --> 00:06:59.360 films feel similar to me. 167 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.199 When Hary Mitsali's written by a woman named Nora Efron 168 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.120 who then went on to write and directs Liberson's Out and. 169 00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:05.879 You've got Mail. 170 00:07:07.680 --> 00:07:12.720 Absolute boss queen. She's fantastic. But yeah, he's standing is 171 00:07:12.759 --> 00:07:15.319 like a social activist. Well if there's a huge session 172 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:17.519 in Wikipedia about it. But yeah, he had a really 173 00:07:17.519 --> 00:07:19.360 good run as a director as well. So yeah, that's 174 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:22.240 wholly understandable why they would do that. What I was 175 00:07:22.279 --> 00:07:25.319 thinking about what Tray and Matter saying through Stanle and Kyle, 176 00:07:25.360 --> 00:07:27.720 and I guess their characters as well. There are all 177 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:29.959 four personal responsibilities like, yeah, if you want to smoke, smoke, 178 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:31.399 be aware of the risk. And but you know, if 179 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:33.519 people want to do that, let them do it. That's 180 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:36.000 all well and good, but you down have a little 181 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:37.959 bit into the big tobacco and it's kind of like, yeah, 182 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:41.000 but they're kind of using shady underhanded tactics to get 183 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:41.800 people hooked. 184 00:07:42.240 --> 00:07:44.120 Everyone's got an element of evil to them. 185 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:46.160 Yeah, well that in this episode. I mean when they 186 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:48.519 go to visit I think that place is actually called 187 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:50.600 Big Tobacco, or they'd go to visit the cigarette factory. 188 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:50.839 Out of it. 189 00:07:51.399 --> 00:07:54.040 It seems to me like they are slightly stacking the 190 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:56.920 deck or rigging the game in favor of Big Tobacco 191 00:07:57.600 --> 00:08:00.800 to make their argument. And honestly, if I was young 192 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:02.480 and impressionable and I was watching this, i'd kind of 193 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:04.680 get sucked and it's like, yeah, man, it's my choice. 194 00:08:04.720 --> 00:08:07.399 It's like, well, yeah, it is your choice to some degree, 195 00:08:07.439 --> 00:08:09.839 but you're not being one hundred percent informed. You're getting 196 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:13.120 maybe seventy five percent of the facts at best. You 197 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:17.000 are being sold something that is first of all, it's 198 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:18.439 not good for it, and they making it even worse 199 00:08:18.439 --> 00:08:20.040 for it, and they're making it really hard to get 200 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:20.319 a quit. 201 00:08:20.439 --> 00:08:22.319 What they're telling you isn't necessarily a lie, but they're 202 00:08:22.360 --> 00:08:25.240 leaving things out that's true, And I think Tramer, actually 203 00:08:25.360 --> 00:08:27.519 I know exactly what you're saying. I completely agree. They 204 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:29.720 also do a good job though, of making Big Tobacco 205 00:08:29.759 --> 00:08:33.000 look bad, particularly in the scene of the tour, right, 206 00:08:33.559 --> 00:08:36.559 and they just gloss over the slave industry like it's 207 00:08:36.559 --> 00:08:39.279 no beat deal. You have cartman say, oh, because of tobacco, 208 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:41.240 all of our black friends are here. Yeah, that's right, 209 00:08:41.879 --> 00:08:45.120 they're slaves. But the slaves it was just you know, 210 00:08:45.399 --> 00:08:47.799 they were brought here to help with the work. And 211 00:08:47.919 --> 00:08:51.279 it's like that's the that's the perfect example. Help do 212 00:08:51.320 --> 00:08:53.320 the work. Do the work, that's the thing. Yeah. So 213 00:08:53.440 --> 00:08:56.639 that's the example of big Tobacco going yeah, yeah, yeah, 214 00:08:56.720 --> 00:08:59.679 let's gloss over the bad stuff. So that's exactly what 215 00:08:59.720 --> 00:09:00.000 you're saying. 216 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:03.320 Yeahah, I mean big Tobacco was gonna say, oh yeah, 217 00:09:03.320 --> 00:09:06.200 the tobacco cash crop is something that really helped America thriw. Yeah, 218 00:09:06.200 --> 00:09:08.279 but it's also built on a foundation of shit. 219 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:08.679 Yeah. 220 00:09:09.200 --> 00:09:10.799 By the way, that bit that you mentioned with car 221 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:13.320 talking about if it wasn't tobaca, we wouldn't have any 222 00:09:13.320 --> 00:09:15.320 of our black friends. I love that he always takes 223 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:16.039 the wrong lesson. 224 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:22.840 Oh I never thought so. Yeah, I thought that was 225 00:09:22.879 --> 00:09:23.519 really hilarious. 226 00:09:23.759 --> 00:09:26.240 But yeah, this strikes me as it may not be 227 00:09:26.320 --> 00:09:28.679 the first example of Trey and Matt's sort of world 228 00:09:28.759 --> 00:09:30.519 view in that regard when it comes to that sort 229 00:09:30.519 --> 00:09:31.559 of libertarian world view. 230 00:09:31.720 --> 00:09:33.559 Definitely not the first time, but this felt very much 231 00:09:33.600 --> 00:09:35.519 for the first time. They were focused on making their 232 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:39.639 agenda pretty clear. Yeah, and making you sort of I 233 00:09:39.720 --> 00:09:41.519 feel like you can watch South Park and not really 234 00:09:41.559 --> 00:09:43.799 get swayed for the most part. Sometimes yes, but for 235 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:45.279 the most part gets swayed one way or the other. 236 00:09:45.399 --> 00:09:49.039 They always point out pro choice. Here's the facts, both 237 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:51.080 are evil, both have positives. You make your choice. This 238 00:09:51.159 --> 00:09:53.480 one's here, And he said the balance is tilted more 239 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:54.799 towards Big Tobacco being the good guy. 240 00:09:55.080 --> 00:09:57.919 Yeah, not even making Big Tobacco the goodbye, but making yeah, 241 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:04.519 just pushing the mess, the message of personal responsibility and all. Yeah, 242 00:10:04.960 --> 00:10:09.000 take responsibility for your own choices. I do, which is 243 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:09.519 a message that. 244 00:10:09.519 --> 00:10:11.200 I actually pretty much agree with. 245 00:10:11.320 --> 00:10:14.639 But at the same time recognize that sometimes you're making 246 00:10:14.639 --> 00:10:16.639 your own choices, but the information that you're working with 247 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:18.200 may not be the complete story. 248 00:10:18.480 --> 00:10:21.440 Yeah. I do think you could argue though, that they 249 00:10:21.519 --> 00:10:24.600 are making Big Tobacco the good guy, because throughout the episode, 250 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:25.879 if you're a KIP watching this, you shouldn't be a 251 00:10:25.960 --> 00:10:27.879 YI watching this. First of all South Park, right, if 252 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:30.000 you're a young person watching this, but uh, you know, 253 00:10:30.320 --> 00:10:33.879 a teenager, the ones who are making decision to start smoking. Right. See, 254 00:10:33.879 --> 00:10:36.759 you're thirteen to fourteen years old watching this. You're watching 255 00:10:36.840 --> 00:10:38.840 this through the eyes of the kids. And throughout the 256 00:10:39.000 --> 00:10:41.919 entire episode, the kids never really see Big Tobacco as 257 00:10:41.960 --> 00:10:45.919 the bad guy. They are constantly questioning Rob Reiner and 258 00:10:46.080 --> 00:10:50.080 the smoke stoppers whatever they call, saying, yeah, but that's lying. Yeah, 259 00:10:50.120 --> 00:10:53.679 but that's bad. Your tactics are bad. Acknowledging that Big 260 00:10:53.720 --> 00:10:56.440 Tobaco does lie, but they're still positioning Rob run as 261 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:59.639 a bag for lying in return lying as well. They 262 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:02.240 never have the kids go, hey, you know what Big 263 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:05.480 Tobacco Isn't that they're lying as well and seeing that 264 00:11:05.519 --> 00:11:06.120 as a negative. 265 00:11:06.279 --> 00:11:08.919 Yeah, I think I don't want to speak for Trey 266 00:11:08.960 --> 00:11:11.919 and Mattie. They probably say or they'd say shut up, dude, 267 00:11:11.919 --> 00:11:14.159 and then put hey, I filter over that to make 268 00:11:14.200 --> 00:11:17.080 them matter. We'll talk about that another time. 269 00:11:17.519 --> 00:11:19.519 I'm always telling about talk about here. I watched the 270 00:11:19.879 --> 00:11:22.679 documentary for the first time Casaberita is Me and More 271 00:11:24.960 --> 00:11:32.600 Cask a different house altogether. Yeah, And they showed in 272 00:11:32.679 --> 00:11:35.639 studio footage of them doing the dick Enboughse episode, and 273 00:11:35.759 --> 00:11:37.399 I didn't realize that Trey and Matt when they do 274 00:11:37.440 --> 00:11:39.600 the voices of it was Cartman and Butters. They're essentially 275 00:11:39.679 --> 00:11:42.200 just speaking into the microphone, and they obviously digitally alter 276 00:11:42.320 --> 00:11:43.799 it to make the voice sound like the character. And 277 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:46.279 I went, ah, it's kind of shattered the illusion little 278 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:48.240 bits like I did see a great meme. It's a 279 00:11:48.240 --> 00:11:50.759 similar thing where you find out that Pedro is not 280 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:53.600 in the Mandalorian costume. He's just voicing it. And it's 281 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:58.399 like there's a photo of Pedro on set of the 282 00:11:58.519 --> 00:12:01.200 New Mando movie whatever, and it's like Pedro's one day 283 00:12:01.200 --> 00:12:05.600 on set. Well, he's a busy guy. 284 00:12:05.679 --> 00:12:08.799 He's mister Fantastic in the New Fantastic movie. He wasn't 285 00:12:08.799 --> 00:12:12.720 the Last of Us spoiler, and yeah, he's Mando and 286 00:12:12.960 --> 00:12:14.240 he's got a bunch of other stuff going on. 287 00:12:14.480 --> 00:12:17.039 He's I feel like you just spoiled I was just 288 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:18.440 about to watch Last of Us. I can't believe you 289 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:20.759 just said that. I can't believe you just said that 290 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:33.320 watched it. Sorry, fuh that the episode's banned up. I'm sorry. 291 00:12:33.360 --> 00:12:35.720 I thought everyone knew this. I've seen it. Those a 292 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:37.480 big things, and I was like been avoiding all last 293 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:43.399 of my stuff. Oh well the ship, that's a big one. 294 00:12:47.679 --> 00:12:50.440 The camera's on. Yeah, the danising really red right now, 295 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:53.000 that's about to choke me. I was just like, that's like, 296 00:12:53.159 --> 00:12:59.279 I just have my double door moment. Double do it? Anyway, 297 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:03.600 moving along that matter, I usually do feel bad about it, 298 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:09.759 my mistake of bringing up bedroll. But yeah, so you're 299 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:12.600 about to say, yeah, so I always how do we 300 00:13:12.639 --> 00:13:14.639 get to that? So it's on set? Oh said that digitally? 301 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:14.759 No? 302 00:13:14.879 --> 00:13:16.639 No, what was it? Oh you shouted the illusion? Yeah, 303 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:18.600 so just shuttered the illusion. I'll watch the documentary. Missus 304 00:13:18.639 --> 00:13:19.960 you and I said, did you know this? And you 305 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:24.840 didn't write back? That's right, because as that was to you, 306 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:26.960 that was to me. Yeah. Yeah, I was just I 307 00:13:26.960 --> 00:13:28.879 couldn't believe it. I was like, I have to tell somebody, 308 00:13:28.960 --> 00:13:30.720 so God tears in his eyes. 309 00:13:30.720 --> 00:13:33.279 I'm really sorry, but I feel I feel really bad 310 00:13:33.320 --> 00:13:36.919 about that. It's okay, but yeah, rewinding just a little bit. Yeah, 311 00:13:36.960 --> 00:13:39.519 because when we were talking about their voices, I didn't 312 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:40.799 want to speak for speak. 313 00:13:40.559 --> 00:13:41.440 For Trey and Matt. 314 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:45.320 What I think they have real issue with, or something 315 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:47.240 that I think is a real kind of sticking point 316 00:13:47.279 --> 00:13:49.879 for them is people who get self righteous. And we've 317 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:51.600 talked about this, I'm sure many times are on going 318 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:53.559 down to sound Buck anytime someone sort of is like 319 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:55.960 whether they know a bit better about more about this 320 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:57.759 than you do, or no, you're doing the wrong thing 321 00:13:57.840 --> 00:13:58.519 and here's why. 322 00:13:58.679 --> 00:14:01.559 They hate that. Yeah, they don't like it, and they 323 00:14:01.600 --> 00:14:04.919 will push back again challenge. Yeah. Yeah absolutely. Now would 324 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:07.879 you say they that's a sign of I'm not quantum immature, 325 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:10.840 but it is a sign of immaturity where they don't 326 00:14:11.039 --> 00:14:13.600 like pushback. It's we are right and what we're doing 327 00:14:13.720 --> 00:14:16.639 is the best and necessarily the best, but they don't 328 00:14:16.679 --> 00:14:19.399 like being challenged and having people say yeah, but why Yeah. 329 00:14:19.440 --> 00:14:22.440 I don't know if it's they don't like pushback. 330 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:22.679 Yeah. 331 00:14:22.720 --> 00:14:24.480 I think it's like, if you're going to tell me 332 00:14:24.559 --> 00:14:26.720 how to live my life, you better have a really 333 00:14:26.759 --> 00:14:29.600 good reason for doing so. You better have you better 334 00:14:29.639 --> 00:14:31.960 be able to provide me with a good roadmap to 335 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:34.600 how to live. Because if if you're just going to stand, 336 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:35.960 if you're just gonna get on your high house and 337 00:14:35.960 --> 00:14:38.200 say don't do that, it's like, if you can tell 338 00:14:38.200 --> 00:14:41.759 me why not, I'll go along with you. And the 339 00:14:41.879 --> 00:14:45.919 way Rob Rhiner and the anti smoking contingent is presented 340 00:14:45.919 --> 00:14:49.600 in this is kind of it's bad, but also not 341 00:14:49.720 --> 00:14:51.200 even treating it as like a HEALTHI ish, but more 342 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:54.919 like a moral failing, kind of like smoking secon You're 343 00:14:55.000 --> 00:14:56.480 terrible for doing it, you're a weak person doing it, 344 00:14:56.559 --> 00:15:01.080 or something like that. I might be mis misremember misrepresenting. 345 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:04.240 I might be misremembering and misrepresenting the episode when I 346 00:15:04.360 --> 00:15:08.240 say that Rhino was definitely an anti is definitely an 347 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:11.320 anti smoker, anti smoke activist. 348 00:15:11.480 --> 00:15:13.240 But this is the thing. I listened to the commentary, 349 00:15:13.279 --> 00:15:15.200 the five minutes of it, whatever it was, and now 350 00:15:15.399 --> 00:15:19.360 very much anti Rob Rhiner. You're taking cigarettes out of bars, 351 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:22.399 You're ruining people's lives, basically the same. We like your movies, 352 00:15:22.440 --> 00:15:24.320 but why are you using all your energy to ruin 353 00:15:24.360 --> 00:15:28.360 people's day by saying they can't smoke. The argument to 354 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.639 that is that I would say Rob Riner wasn't necessarily 355 00:15:31.720 --> 00:15:34.559 focused on whether people could smoke. He didn't care that 356 00:15:34.600 --> 00:15:36.840 the adults couldn't smoke anymore. He's more focused on ensuring 357 00:15:36.879 --> 00:15:39.639 that the kids weren't going to begin smoking. So once 358 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:43.639 you'd already begun smoking, it's hard to quit, right. I 359 00:15:43.720 --> 00:15:47.320 think his agenda was let's make sure kids don't start, 360 00:15:48.039 --> 00:15:50.000 and the only way to do so is by having 361 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:52.360 collateral damage. I either the people who are already smoking 362 00:15:52.840 --> 00:15:55.159 taking them out of the bars, so then kids aren't 363 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:57.840 just introduced to it like it's the norm. Because when 364 00:15:58.039 --> 00:15:59.960 you were growing up, whatever, it was just people smoke. 365 00:16:00.639 --> 00:16:02.360 From when I worked Afford, there's all these photos on 366 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:04.000 the wall of guys on the production line with a 367 00:16:04.039 --> 00:16:05.840 smoke in their hand, right, it was just it was 368 00:16:05.919 --> 00:16:08.480 the norm. I feel like maybe in the nineties, like 369 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:11.879 when Rhiner and whatnot would say no, that you understand 370 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:13.639 it's not a good thing to smoke. I think now 371 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:16.320 by twenty twenty five you can almost argue that most 372 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:18.879 kids don't really smoke. I feel like smoking is a 373 00:16:19.000 --> 00:16:22.159 real small section of the community now very much. So. Yeah, 374 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:24.320 I mean they've moved to vaping obviously, but yeah, there's 375 00:16:24.360 --> 00:16:26.840 still alternatives. People are always going to have bad But 376 00:16:27.039 --> 00:16:29.200 I don't think Rhina was out to ruin the day 377 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:31.000 just for the sake of ruining people's day. I think 378 00:16:31.039 --> 00:16:34.000 he was going there is going to be collateral damage 379 00:16:34.039 --> 00:16:35.840 being the people who are the adult who are already smoking, 380 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:37.759 but it's for the long term it's to ensure that 381 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.399 future generations like kids grow up going maybe smoking's not 382 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:43.080 a good idea, and in turn they will have that 383 00:16:43.159 --> 00:16:46.000 mentality and go, I mean, look, smoke if you want 384 00:16:46.000 --> 00:16:48.360 to smoke, but you probably shouldn't. Yeah, it's not good 385 00:16:48.919 --> 00:16:50.559 like that. It's not good for it. It's not good 386 00:16:50.559 --> 00:16:50.759 for you. 387 00:16:50.919 --> 00:16:52.639 And even back in the day when you know, when 388 00:16:52.639 --> 00:16:54.639 I would smoke, like a pack of day or whatever. Yeah, 389 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:57.120 admittedly we didn't have what they have on the packs now, 390 00:16:57.200 --> 00:16:59.240 which are you know, like the mouthful of rotted teeth 391 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.279 or the either needs operating on or whatever. Even back 392 00:17:03.320 --> 00:17:04.839 then they would have on them smoking as a health 393 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:06.839 I would say on the TV, it's smoking as a 394 00:17:06.880 --> 00:17:07.319 health has it. 395 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:11.559 Was like a challenge, Oh is it not in my case? 396 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:12.400 But dead yet? 397 00:17:14.279 --> 00:17:16.039 Well we'd laugh, you know, you'd get the one where 398 00:17:16.079 --> 00:17:18.720 it's like, oh it was the really low level kind 399 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:21.319 of health has it? Yeah, because they'd say, oh, he'll 400 00:17:21.359 --> 00:17:23.160 give you lung cancer or it'll do this, I'll do that. 401 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:26.039