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This week on the flagship, 20 00:01:17.200 --> 00:01:19.280 Jason Powell from prog Wrestling dot Net joined me and 21 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:21.879 we discussed the pros and cons of the Daniel Bryan 22 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:26.000 Roman Reigns dynamic leading into fast Lane, plus brock Lesner's future, 23 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:30.680 the RUSEV, John Cena situation, Samoa Joe and TNA, and 24 00:01:30.799 --> 00:01:33.040 more with live callers in the free portion of the show, 25 00:01:33.280 --> 00:01:35.560 and then from there we moved to the previously VIP 26 00:01:35.640 --> 00:01:38.680 exclusive after show and we discussed whether Triple H was 27 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:43.920 sneakily angling for cheers against sting use of divas in WWE, 28 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:48.120 the NXT announced Team Russev after WrestleMania, brock Lesnar if 29 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:51.120 he sticks around, and more with email questions submitted by 30 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:55.280 dot net and PW toorch VIP members. This originally live 31 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:59.760 streamed on February seventeenth, twenty fifteen, and it is today's 32 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:04.439 Wade Keller Pro Wrestling post show flagship flashback for Sunday, 33 00:02:04.480 --> 00:02:19.159 February sixteenth, twenty twenty five. Welcome to the p W 34 00:02:19.319 --> 00:02:22.599 Torch Live Cast. I am Wade Keller, editor and publisher 35 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:26.199 of the Pro Wrestling Torch newsletter since nineteen eighty seven 36 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:30.520 and also pwtorch dot Com, the website, and the PW 37 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:33.199 Torch app and also the host of this the PW 38 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:36.840 Torch Live Cast. The number one pro wrestling podcast, hosted 39 00:02:36.840 --> 00:02:41.280 by journalists and analysts and commentators throughout the week, different hosts, 40 00:02:41.439 --> 00:02:44.400 different mix. Five days a week. Mondays Bruce Mitchell and 41 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:47.479 Travis Bryant. Tuesdays, I'm joined by Jason Powell of Pro 42 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:51.479 Wrestling dot Net. Wednesday's Pat McNeil hosts with a variety 43 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:56.240 of all star panelists and special guests. Thursdays James Caldwell, 44 00:02:56.360 --> 00:03:00.439 often joined by Progressing Torch columnist Greg Parks, and Fridays 45 00:03:00.479 --> 00:03:04.000 is Interview Friday, where I host and interview a wide 46 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:08.479 array of guests. Last Friday, former WDWE announcer Jack Corpela 47 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:11.000 joined me on this program, first time he's been on 48 00:03:11.039 --> 00:03:14.680 the show along with Johnarezio the Progressing Spotlight radio show 49 00:03:14.879 --> 00:03:16.919 that John hosted back in the late eighties through the 50 00:03:16.919 --> 00:03:19.360 mid nineties. 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So lots of man, lots of stuff on 58 00:03:39.479 --> 00:03:42.000 the doc of today, lots of cool stuff to talk 59 00:03:42.039 --> 00:03:46.000 about with Raw last night and really smacked out last 60 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:51.199 week in the dynamic between Roman Reigns and Daniel Bryant, 61 00:03:51.360 --> 00:03:52.800 and we're going to talk about a lot of pros 62 00:03:52.840 --> 00:03:55.639 and cons to the way that they have portrayed that feud. 63 00:03:55.719 --> 00:03:57.879 I know from my Twitter feed you can follow me 64 00:03:57.960 --> 00:04:00.639 at the Wade Keller that there has been a lot 65 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:06.319 of spirited back and forth disagreements about whether this has 66 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:08.479 been more good than bad in terms of the sides 67 00:04:08.520 --> 00:04:11.120 of Daniel Bryan in Roman Reigns that we've been exposed to. 68 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:13.680 So we'll be taking your phone calls and being joined 69 00:04:13.719 --> 00:04:17.480 momentarily by Jason Powell of Pro Wrestling dot Net, the 70 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:22.399 PW Torchlivecast email dot com, slash pro Wrestling Torch. Our 71 00:04:22.439 --> 00:04:26.240 email address here is PW Torchlivecast at gmail dot com. 72 00:04:26.279 --> 00:04:29.000 As always, we'll be doing this show live then and 73 00:04:29.040 --> 00:04:31.199 taking your phone calls, and then after between sixty and 74 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.199 ninety minutes of live phone calls and conversation with Jason 75 00:04:34.199 --> 00:04:37.399 Powell and me will be shifting to the VIP After Show. 76 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:39.759 Both of these will be posted for VIP members later 77 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:44.639 the VIP Audio Show minus all advertisements and plugs, and 78 00:04:44.959 --> 00:04:48.720 then the VIP After Show is recorded exclusively for VIP 79 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:51.399 members and dot net members, and that will be done 80 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:53.839 in top audio quality by Jason and me with the 81 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:56.319 new equipment and techniques that we're using. We're still kind 82 00:04:56.319 --> 00:04:58.920 of working through at Jason's experimenting today with trying to 83 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:02.040 call the show using a new headset and Skype rather 84 00:05:02.079 --> 00:05:05.800 than guesting on the show with by calling out a 85 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:08.319 regular phone line. So we'll be working through that and 86 00:05:08.360 --> 00:05:10.480 we're trying to get hooked up with him right now. 87 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:13.279 But in the meantime, why don't we start taking calls. 88 00:05:13.519 --> 00:05:16.800 I will be shifting to a temporarily to a different 89 00:05:17.000 --> 00:05:20.240 microphone as I sort through trying to get Jason on 90 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:23.800 the show. So just hold title, Just be a minute 91 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:25.360 and I'll sound a little bit different, and then we'll 92 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:27.279 be back to the setup or something close to it. 93 00:05:27.680 --> 00:05:29.360 And I want to get your thoughts. Do you like 94 00:05:29.399 --> 00:05:31.800 the hype for Rowin Rains against Daniel Bryant? Has it 95 00:05:31.800 --> 00:05:33.800 made you eager to see the see the match on 96 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:37.160 Sunday at Fat plane. That's question number one. But maybe 97 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:41.560 a more important factor, or at least a co important factor, 98 00:05:42.240 --> 00:05:46.199 is does the way that Daniel Bryan has been portrayed 99 00:05:46.519 --> 00:05:49.399 and does the way that Roman Rains has been portrayed 100 00:05:50.240 --> 00:05:53.879 give you a better feeling about them as wrestlers that 101 00:05:53.920 --> 00:05:57.759 you that you want to follow and root for. And 102 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:03.240 if not, then that's probably not great head into WrestleMania. 103 00:06:03.279 --> 00:06:07.000 It might set up Rock Lesler to actually be the 104 00:06:07.040 --> 00:06:10.680 guy who gets to your the most, so that'll be interesting. Anyway, 105 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:14.079 Let's let's go ahead and go to our first caller 106 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.600 of the day and I'll try to address it as 107 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:20.399 we figure out how to get Jason Paul's phoner to 108 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:24.120 show up on the switchboard the way that it should 109 00:06:24.839 --> 00:06:28.639 if yeah, because all I'm seeing are different area goes 110 00:06:28.639 --> 00:06:30.800 for the one Jason says. So anyway, let's go first 111 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:32.759 to Matt from North Carolina. Matt, you were at first 112 00:06:32.759 --> 00:06:34.720 we had the express lane collar. Thanks for holding up. 113 00:06:34.759 --> 00:06:36.800 Please confirm this with you and let you know what's 114 00:06:36.839 --> 00:06:37.519 on your mind today. 115 00:06:38.560 --> 00:06:38.920 It's me. 116 00:06:40.360 --> 00:06:43.480 Yeah, as part of the Dane Bryan Roman Reigns thing, 117 00:06:43.519 --> 00:06:45.639 I fall asleep for the second week in a row 118 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:50.560 watching Raw. Yeah, so I think that says that. But 119 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:53.600 something I did notice was I have I clicked on 120 00:06:54.199 --> 00:06:56.120 Soddy's posts every now and then just to lead the 121 00:06:56.120 --> 00:06:57.639 comments and just see what other people think. 122 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:00.439 And it went. 123 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:03.040 From like when Roman Rains won the Rumble, it was 124 00:07:03.079 --> 00:07:05.720 everybody against Roman Reigns and poor Daniel Bryan. But since 125 00:07:05.720 --> 00:07:09.879 they started the storyline, yes, half the people saying they 126 00:07:09.879 --> 00:07:12.360 hate Daniel Brian and all Fames or cry babies, and 127 00:07:12.360 --> 00:07:15.920 you have half the people saying Roman Reigns or Daniel 128 00:07:16.000 --> 00:07:18.480 Brian better than Round Marine. So it seems to be 129 00:07:18.519 --> 00:07:22.639 really dividing the fans and doing that kind of what's 130 00:07:22.680 --> 00:07:24.959 the word I'm looking for, like whither away at both 131 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:28.839 their popularity just based on reactions and like if you 132 00:07:28.879 --> 00:07:29.839 look online and stuff. 133 00:07:29.879 --> 00:07:30.920 So I'm not. 134 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:35.680 Matt. Do you think, Matt, there was a way to 135 00:07:35.759 --> 00:07:39.600 do this without that being the effect to build up 136 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:43.040 Brian and Rains, create tension between them, but do so 137 00:07:43.319 --> 00:07:46.680 in a way that didn't that didn't hurt their their images. 138 00:07:46.720 --> 00:07:49.720 I think Daniel Bryan seems like Roman Rains hadn't really 139 00:07:49.759 --> 00:07:52.120 been established yet. His personality, you know, he was just 140 00:07:52.199 --> 00:07:54.279 kind of the guy who was the coolest guy in 141 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:56.920 the room but didn't have a lot to say. You know, 142 00:07:57.000 --> 00:07:59.079 we were just getting to know him. With Daniel Brian, 143 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:03.600 it seems like he's shown a side of himself that 144 00:08:04.319 --> 00:08:07.120 I think has undercut what the selling point of his 145 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:09.439 personality was. So do you think there was a way 146 00:08:09.480 --> 00:08:11.839 to pull it off more successfully but still accomplished building 147 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:14.319 tension and anticipation for those who facing each other. 148 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:18.240 Yeah, I think if they didn't have both guys out 149 00:08:18.279 --> 00:08:21.279 there like making fun of the other and calling out 150 00:08:21.319 --> 00:08:25.199 points that were true, we probably wouldn't have the problem. Because, 151 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.519 like the whole reason that people are saying Daniel Bryan's 152 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:31.319 fins or crybabies and I hate Daniel Brian. I wish 153 00:08:31.319 --> 00:08:32.960 he wouldn't do this is because they've booked them to 154 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:34.759 look like he's stepping in and trying to steal roam 155 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:37.720 and ranges right spotlight. They could have had him say 156 00:08:38.480 --> 00:08:41.559 you know, look you want and you know, best of 157 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:44.279 luck to you, and then somehow he gets put into it, 158 00:08:44.440 --> 00:08:48.039 maybe like a board of directors, or there's another way 159 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.039 to do it, like there's probably most boys. 160 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:55.759 You could force Daniel Brian into the match against his 161 00:08:56.279 --> 00:08:59.159 volunteering and kind of pushing Rains to accept it. I mean, 162 00:08:59.159 --> 00:09:01.200 there's a way to get Daniel Bryan into this match 163 00:09:01.240 --> 00:09:04.159 without it being Brian's idea. I thought Roman Reigns did 164 00:09:04.200 --> 00:09:08.519 a party of yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah, have 165 00:09:08.639 --> 00:09:11.159 Rains go. No, No, Brian, You're right. You were the champion. 166 00:09:11.320 --> 00:09:13.679 And if I beat brock Lesnar at WrestleMania thirty one, 167 00:09:13.759 --> 00:09:17.279 I'm sorry, WrestleMania, they don't have numbers. If I beat 168 00:09:17.320 --> 00:09:21.039 brock Lesnar at WrestleMania, then I haven't beat the guy 169 00:09:21.080 --> 00:09:23.440 who was champion last year. I never lost the title. 170 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:25.519 So I want to face you first so that I 171 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:27.879 know I belong and deserve to be at WrestleMania. 172 00:09:29.399 --> 00:09:31.120 Yeah, that would totally work. And then it makes Roman 173 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:34.360 Reigns look like a stand up guy that he's going 174 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:36.440 to look to already screwed you over. He never gave 175 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:37.879 you a title shot that told you had to start 176 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:39.720 back from the bottom. That's not right. I'm gonna be 177 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:41.279 the best that came to give you a title shot. 178 00:09:41.720 --> 00:09:42.919 I'll want to face you for the right. 179 00:09:43.679 --> 00:09:48.200 Yeah, very good. Appreciate it, Matt, appreciate the call. Yeah 180 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:50.240 you got more. Yeah I was. 181 00:09:50.720 --> 00:09:53.639 I was just gonna say, uh, I watched that. I've 182 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:55.759 been watching it for a while, but uh NXT and 183 00:09:55.840 --> 00:09:59.000 I watched the last pay per viewing Man, Finn Balor, 184 00:09:59.080 --> 00:10:00.960 what a that? That guy the star in the making. 185 00:10:01.039 --> 00:10:03.000 I really hope he doesn't get screwed up when they 186 00:10:03.039 --> 00:10:06.279 call him up because I mean, yeah, yeahs a badass insurance, 187 00:10:06.360 --> 00:10:07.519 but he knows his character. 188 00:10:07.679 --> 00:10:08.720 He's awesome in the ring. 189 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:10.879 Like I'd become a huge fan of that guy. I 190 00:10:10.919 --> 00:10:12.600 just wanted to shoot your thoughts out on it because 191 00:10:13.159 --> 00:10:14.759 I haven't heard what a lot of people talk about 192 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.519 him too much. But man, I've become a huge fan 193 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:17.879 of him. 194 00:10:19.120 --> 00:10:22.840 Absolutely, No, I am too. As Prince Devitt, he was amazing. 195 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:25.399 It's Finn Balor. I think he's the one who has 196 00:10:25.480 --> 00:10:28.480 had the smallest drop off in terms of what made 197 00:10:28.559 --> 00:10:33.120 him special outside of WWE, in terms of his being 198 00:10:33.200 --> 00:10:35.799 in developmental. I think there's some a little bit of 199 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:38.639 Jeff Hardy to him in terms of, you know, they're 200 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:41.039 kind of this enigma and trying to figure out his 201 00:10:41.120 --> 00:10:43.080 personality being a little mysterious. But I think there's other 202 00:10:43.080 --> 00:10:44.879 people that come into play. I do believe weve got 203 00:10:44.919 --> 00:10:46.919 Jason Powell now joining us here. Jason Powell from Pro 204 00:10:46.960 --> 00:10:49.960 Wrestling dot Net. Welcome to the program, Jason. 205 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:51.519 Hey, I hate technology. 206 00:10:52.399 --> 00:10:54.919 No, no, you hate you. You love technology. You just 207 00:10:54.960 --> 00:10:57.120 hate the path of figuring out how it all works. 208 00:10:57.480 --> 00:10:59.679 Yeah, once it's all Once it's all working, then I 209 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:02.240 actually like it. It's the whole process of getting there 210 00:11:02.279 --> 00:11:06.039 and all that that's just absolute chaos. But things sounding okay. 211 00:11:06.559 --> 00:11:08.279 Yeah, things sound okay. I think you've been able to 212 00:11:08.440 --> 00:11:10.679 drop in on the program so far. What did you 213 00:11:10.879 --> 00:11:15.440 think of the Roman rains Daniel Bryant Dynamic on SmackDown 214 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:18.759 last Thursday and Raw on Monday? Did they get better? 215 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:20.960 Was it bad in both cases? Good in both cases? 216 00:11:21.399 --> 00:11:21.840 Your thoughts? 217 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:24.879 Bad in both cases Until the very end of the show. 218 00:11:25.759 --> 00:11:29.200 They may have saved it for people in a perfect world, 219 00:11:29.279 --> 00:11:32.279 people tuned in for the overrun and missed everything leading 220 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:35.240 up to it because I thought Daniel Bryan came off. 221 00:11:36.879 --> 00:11:38.320 I don't know about why any I don't know what 222 00:11:38.440 --> 00:11:40.639 the right word would be for it, But that whole 223 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:44.080 victory lap around the ring doing the yes thing didn't click. 224 00:11:45.120 --> 00:11:48.720 He just his explanation for he's getting there, why it's 225 00:11:48.759 --> 00:11:51.679 okay for him to take this title match doesn't click either. 226 00:11:52.279 --> 00:11:54.919 And Roman Reins is still kind of Roman Reigns, but 227 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:57.000 once they got into the physicality and they didn't have 228 00:11:57.080 --> 00:12:00.440 to rely on Vince McMahon the creative staff, I thought 229 00:12:00.440 --> 00:12:01.399 they did a hell of a job. 230 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:05.080 Yeah. I mean, I haven't given my I've talked in 231 00:12:05.159 --> 00:12:07.320 circles around my thoughts, but in general, I'm with you. 232 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:10.080 Jason and I talked about this at great length and 233 00:12:10.240 --> 00:12:12.720 nearly a one hour VIP weaight color hotline last night 234 00:12:12.759 --> 00:12:15.759 for VIP members. I thought, in the end, they made 235 00:12:15.799 --> 00:12:18.399 me want to see that match. I know that through 236 00:12:18.440 --> 00:12:21.120 some criticism of deservedly so, that Roman Reigns did not 237 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:23.159 sell the two chair shots that Daniel Bryan gave him 238 00:12:23.159 --> 00:12:25.399 in the timekeepers area near the end of the show, 239 00:12:25.759 --> 00:12:28.600 right before he threw that elbow. But man, was that 240 00:12:28.879 --> 00:12:32.600 elbow that he threw. It looked really cool, and I 241 00:12:32.960 --> 00:12:37.320 like that Roman Reigns finally wasn't too cool to show 242 00:12:37.799 --> 00:12:42.279 a level of enthusiasm that did not feel rehearsed and practiced. 243 00:12:42.639 --> 00:12:46.840 He reacted like somebody who just scored a knockout blow 244 00:12:47.120 --> 00:12:50.279 in USC as an underdog, or somebody who in the 245 00:12:50.360 --> 00:12:53.200 NHL just scored games, you know, Game seven overtime goal. 246 00:12:53.519 --> 00:12:55.879 When he hit Daniel Bryan with that, it looked good 247 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:58.480 and he seemed to actually feel a genuine emotion when 248 00:12:58.519 --> 00:13:00.960 he did it. I'm with you, though, I thought Daniel 249 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:06.799 Bryan looked immature. I thought that they both acted at 250 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:12.039 times petulant, at times petty, and often immature and trying 251 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:14.080 to distract each other. And I just don't know that 252 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:16.200 the way to build up babyfaces is to make the 253 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:20.919 heel that they're fighting to battle seem like this dignified, 254 00:13:21.200 --> 00:13:24.600 classy sportsman who just happens to be a bad ass 255 00:13:24.720 --> 00:13:28.039 who kicks ass like that. Just that part of it 256 00:13:28.279 --> 00:13:30.960 does frustrate me, and I think that there was a 257 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:32.559 better way to go about it all along, Jason. But 258 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:34.600 I think again, like you said, maybe they saved it 259 00:13:34.639 --> 00:13:35.039 by the end. 260 00:13:36.679 --> 00:13:39.559 I hope so. I mean, because really the bill has 261 00:13:39.600 --> 00:13:41.919 been a tross. I mean, I'm looking forward to the 262 00:13:42.000 --> 00:13:44.879 match now that I've seen a taste of what they 263 00:13:44.960 --> 00:13:46.720 can do. I mean, they can't keep that pace up 264 00:13:46.799 --> 00:13:50.080 for the entire time they're out there, obviously, but they 265 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.200 needed this. I mean, that had to happen at the 266 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:54.799 end of that show. I'd be telling an entirely different 267 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:57.159 story right now. Had it not been for the physicality 268 00:13:57.200 --> 00:14:00.879 of the end, I just I'd really have been disappointed 269 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:04.360 by the build for this match. It was when they announced, 270 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:06.000 it was kind of like, Okay, I was ready for 271 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:08.320 range In Lesner, but all right, I can you know, 272 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:11.720 if you're just going for the box officer or the 273 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:15.080 most appealing match up possible for the February pay per view, 274 00:14:15.159 --> 00:14:17.080 you picked it, But then it just kind of went 275 00:14:17.279 --> 00:14:20.080 slowly but surely downward and then just managed to peek 276 00:14:20.159 --> 00:14:20.679 up at the end. 277 00:14:21.840 --> 00:14:23.440 Absolutely. How about Finn ballor. 278 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:26.960 What about him? I think I missed a massage. 279 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:28.799 Matt brought him up and just said that he loves him, 280 00:14:28.840 --> 00:14:31.399 he thought on NXT on the NXT special last week 281 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:34.919 he was tremendous that and I commented that I think 282 00:14:34.960 --> 00:14:38.080 he's the talent that has come among the current crop. 283 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:40.519 He's the one that has had the smallest drop off 284 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:44.519 compared to what he was like outside of WWB, although 285 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:47.600 that's so hard to say really, because Kevin Owens has 286 00:14:47.600 --> 00:14:51.600 been phenomenal, samy' Zein has been phenomenal. Adrian Neville has 287 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:53.720 been there longer, but he's been really really good. So 288 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:56.519 in the context of NXT. They've all been good, but 289 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:59.120 Finn Balor I think is maybe the most main event 290 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:02.399 ready in terms terms of a personality that will really 291 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:04.399 jump out. But of course it all comes down to weather. 292 00:15:04.480 --> 00:15:08.559 Vincent Matt likes him. Thanks for downloading today's show. Take 293 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:10.759 it to the next level with a VIP membership. Get 294 00:15:10.799 --> 00:15:13.480 shows like this the Way Killer Prosing Podcast, Weight Keller 295 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:16.320 Prosing Post Show, and the pw Torch daily casts on 296 00:15:16.399 --> 00:15:20.440 our pw Torch VIP podcast feed with ads and plugs 297 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:23.759 removed from the shows for a streamlined listening experience. And 298 00:15:23.840 --> 00:15:26.080 also hear the VIP exclusive shows that I host with 299 00:15:26.200 --> 00:15:28.679 Rich Fan and Todd Martin, Everything with Rich Fan and 300 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:31.240 The Fix with Todd Martin signature VIP series that you're 301 00:15:31.240 --> 00:15:34.240 missing out without a VIP membership. So go vip here 302 00:15:34.320 --> 00:15:37.320 in twenty twenty two and enjoy all the benefits, all 303 00:15:37.360 --> 00:15:40.559 the bonus content and the ad free listening experience. Pw 304 00:15:40.799 --> 00:15:46.720 torch dot com slash go VIP. So your thoughts along 305 00:15:46.720 --> 00:15:48.320 those lines here. 306 00:15:48.399 --> 00:15:50.519 Jeff Hardy, Now, I mean, and I don't mean that 307 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:52.519 as a knock against Valor. He sees anything but a 308 00:15:52.559 --> 00:15:55.480 carbon copy, but he has some of that charisma, not 309 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:57.480 just the face paint, but some of the charisma that 310 00:15:57.559 --> 00:16:00.360 Jeff Hardy did. And then you add an amazing insurance. 311 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:02.320 I mean, that is going to get over huge on 312 00:16:02.440 --> 00:16:05.000 the big stage with ww WEED, you know, I hope 313 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:07.039 it doesn't. I hope they kind of take the approach 314 00:16:07.600 --> 00:16:10.279 XT where it's a special thing. It's not part of 315 00:16:10.360 --> 00:16:13.200 his weekly raw entrance. When that time comes he breaks 316 00:16:13.240 --> 00:16:14.960 it out for pay per views or even the end 317 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:18.039 of major programs things like that. I hate to see 318 00:16:18.120 --> 00:16:19.840 that get watered down. But at the same time, and 319 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:23.200 I'm just already looking forward to whether it's WrestleMania thirty 320 00:16:23.240 --> 00:16:26.360 two or wherever it is, you know, that big WrestleMania entrance. 321 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:28.639 I think it's going to be phenomenal, excellent. 322 00:16:29.399 --> 00:16:31.879 Jason, you're breaking up just a little bit. You're sounding clear, 323 00:16:31.919 --> 00:16:33.919 and I'm also hearing some weird sound effects that may 324 00:16:34.000 --> 00:16:38.960 be your Skype. So one thing that I know that Actually, 325 00:16:39.000 --> 00:16:40.559 when I was on the BBC a couple sundays ago 326 00:16:40.639 --> 00:16:43.759 talking about the whole cancel hashtake canceled WWB, first thing 327 00:16:43.799 --> 00:16:45.399 they told me when I called on Skype was make 328 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:48.559 sure every other app you've quit, nothing else is running 329 00:16:48.559 --> 00:16:50.840 in the background and that'll guarantee the strongest signal. I 330 00:16:50.879 --> 00:16:53.159 know we're just kind of experimenting with all this right now, 331 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:57.200 but that is something to think about. And on that note, 332 00:16:57.320 --> 00:17:02.960 I do want to discuss r AD. If you enter 333 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:05.640 that code Wade, you receive an extra ten percent off 334 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:09.880 everything but airinhotel packages. That's Vegas dot Com. Click on 335 00:17:09.920 --> 00:17:12.160 the microphone and get your bonus savings by using the 336 00:17:12.240 --> 00:17:17.160 secret word Wade book today. All right, we are back 337 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:20.200 live here at PW Torch Live Cast taking your phone calls. 338 00:17:20.240 --> 00:17:23.200 Our phone number is six four six seven to one 339 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:26.599 nine A two eight, and Jason Powell from Progressling dot 340 00:17:26.680 --> 00:17:30.000 Net as usual, has joined me on the program. Let's uh, 341 00:17:30.079 --> 00:17:33.359 let's go to our next caller here and let's see 342 00:17:33.359 --> 00:17:36.720 who did I have picked out just a minute ago 343 00:17:36.759 --> 00:17:42.200 before reading our spot from our Friendsvegas dot com. Uh No, 344 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:45.240 I don't see the number anymore, so let's grab a uh, 345 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:47.119 let's grab a different line. Let's go to Eric code 346 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:49.119 two oh nine. I believe this is Air calling Eric. 347 00:17:49.160 --> 00:17:50.880 You're up next. Thanks for calling. Just confirm this is you. 348 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:53.599 Hey, guys, you ask to me, how's it going? 349 00:17:54.359 --> 00:17:56.160 Very good? You're calling from Stockton, California. What have you 350 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:56.839 got for us today? 351 00:17:57.440 --> 00:17:58.440 I am so. 352 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:02.359 I have two things actually once, kind of a two parter. 353 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:04.839 So if I were to set the over under on 354 00:18:05.160 --> 00:18:08.240 Charlotte's call up to be WrestleMania, would you guys take 355 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:10.759 the over or the under on that? And how do 356 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:13.160 you think they might change your gimmick because it seems 357 00:18:13.160 --> 00:18:17.119 the WWE tweaks the gimmicks of all their NXT call ups. 358 00:18:17.160 --> 00:18:19.000 Then I got another question after that. 359 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:22.279 Sure, Sure, good topic, Jason. I don't think it's a 360 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:25.559 good time to debut on the main roster during WrestleMania season. 361 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:27.319 I think he get lost in the shuffle. I think 362 00:18:27.359 --> 00:18:29.039 there's guys on the main roster who have been working 363 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:32.039 hard all year for WrestleMania match, traveling at house shows, 364 00:18:33.000 --> 00:18:35.119 you know, putting in the time, and it can even 365 00:18:35.160 --> 00:18:36.720 build up a little resentment if you come in and 366 00:18:36.759 --> 00:18:38.799 take a spot and then somebody else gets knocked out. 367 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:41.480 I think the best chance for any call up from 368 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:45.000 NXT is right after WrestleMania, maybe even waiting till May 369 00:18:45.079 --> 00:18:47.920 or June. But I don't think they'll chang Charlotte's gimick, 370 00:18:48.000 --> 00:18:50.759 especially with Rick Flair in good graces. It seems once 371 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:53.000 again it's always a rocky road with him. But that 372 00:18:53.079 --> 00:18:55.759 segment for Blach last night, I think featured Flair nicely, 373 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:57.839 So I would think Charlotte will probably keep the same 374 00:18:57.880 --> 00:18:59.359 gimmick and not have that tweaked. 375 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:01.519 What do you think, Yeah, I would say over I 376 00:19:01.599 --> 00:19:04.480 guess you can't rule out the possibility they try to 377 00:19:04.519 --> 00:19:07.200 make a splash with her at WrestleMania, but I would 378 00:19:07.319 --> 00:19:10.480 much prefer it takes place after I kind of also 379 00:19:10.519 --> 00:19:12.079 want to I wouldn't mind if she stays down there 380 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:13.880 a little longer. I know Rick says she's ready in 381 00:19:13.920 --> 00:19:16.319 an interview that he did, and I think she's come 382 00:19:16.359 --> 00:19:18.000 a long way, but I don't think there's any need 383 00:19:18.079 --> 00:19:21.640 to run. I want to see the Diva's division ready 384 00:19:21.799 --> 00:19:26.759 for I'll see the preciation of this overhaul, just you know, 385 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.039 sling and miss with her and she just becomes any 386 00:19:29.119 --> 00:19:33.039 other deep and I don't improve for her promo game 387 00:19:33.039 --> 00:19:34.960 a little. I mean, she's come a long way, but 388 00:19:35.119 --> 00:19:36.880 I just there's no need to rush it. It doesn't 389 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:38.799 have to be a day after WrestleMania thing at all. 390 00:19:40.200 --> 00:19:41.359 Eric, what does to be out for? So I'll take 391 00:19:41.359 --> 00:19:42.359 the other by the way, Eric. 392 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:47.480 Yeah, So the other thing was I was wondering if 393 00:19:47.519 --> 00:19:51.680 you guys think we could possibly see two screwy finishes 394 00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:55.240 at Bastling. I say that because Senior Russev was supposedly 395 00:19:55.319 --> 00:19:57.880 penciled in for Mania, So in order for them to 396 00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:00.119 get to that at Mania, there'd have to be some 397 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:03.359 kind of unclean finish between the two, I would think. 398 00:20:03.400 --> 00:20:06.160 And then the other one would be they might have 399 00:20:06.240 --> 00:20:08.400 to do a triple threat with Brian, Rains and Lessner, 400 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:11.680 because neither Rains or Lesner really can carry a match 401 00:20:11.759 --> 00:20:13.880 by themselves. They both need somebody like Brian to be 402 00:20:13.960 --> 00:20:15.079 involved in the match. 403 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:20.480 Jason, I'll let you take this one first, give me 404 00:20:20.559 --> 00:20:22.000 that one again. I was just tweaking with Oh No, 405 00:20:22.359 --> 00:20:24.359 I knew that was gonna happen the one time it throwny. First, 406 00:20:25.519 --> 00:20:29.640 he asked if the there'll be two different screw job 407 00:20:29.680 --> 00:20:33.039 finishes of sorts unclean finishes at Mania, sure, with Sena 408 00:20:33.119 --> 00:20:34.920 Russev and having to move forward with that, and then 409 00:20:34.960 --> 00:20:37.519 the possibility of not having a clean finish between Brian 410 00:20:37.559 --> 00:20:37.960 and Rains. 411 00:20:38.640 --> 00:20:43.519 Yeah, the rich Hans I think that be. I would say, 412 00:20:43.559 --> 00:20:46.680 there's there's also a chance so that Rusev beats scene somehow, 413 00:20:46.880 --> 00:20:48.839 it may it may be a little bit screwy if 414 00:20:48.880 --> 00:20:51.359 they I mean, if they want to continue to tell 415 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:53.200 the stories that they kind of dropped last night, that 416 00:20:53.279 --> 00:20:56.160 he's this old guy now and how's he getting beat 417 00:20:56.200 --> 00:20:58.480 the new guy? Well, I have the new guy beat 418 00:20:58.559 --> 00:21:01.799 him and then what so ye. It would free them 419 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:03.960 up to say it's a non title match at WrestleMania 420 00:21:04.000 --> 00:21:06.480 if they don't want to put the US Championship on 421 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:09.160 John Cena. If they're going to have him there, he 422 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:12.319 Roossa beats and wants second match is non TI title 423 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:14.559 from a personal thing and you ignore the US title, 424 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:17.440 which they normally do anyway. And then main event. Wait, 425 00:21:17.559 --> 00:21:19.680 I I just don't have any real idea what they're 426 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:23.759 going to do There's it wouldn't surprise me if it 427 00:21:23.799 --> 00:21:26.000 becomes a triple threat, as it has been rumored. I 428 00:21:26.279 --> 00:21:30.880 think that's the safest option for them. And yeah, you're 429 00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:34.480 probably going to get them sort of a as match. 430 00:21:35.759 --> 00:21:39.000 Jason, Thanks, You're starting to break up even more. And 431 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:41.720 I'm not quite sure why, because it sounds like you 432 00:21:41.799 --> 00:21:44.839 clicked on the Skype option to call directly into the 433 00:21:44.920 --> 00:21:47.440 site and I do not know why when you called 434 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:52.880 directly in before, your number did not show up. But 435 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:54.880 if you can call Jason, if you can call my 436 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:56.880 cell phone number with your Skype number, then I'll be 437 00:21:56.920 --> 00:21:58.240 able to see what number shows up, and then I 438 00:21:58.240 --> 00:22:01.359 can look for that on the switchboard. Does that make sense? 439 00:22:03.640 --> 00:22:08.200 I can't even understand all my regular Yeah you could. 440 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.519 That's fine too, Yep, Okay, we'll do that. Yeah. For 441 00:22:11.599 --> 00:22:14.640 some reason, Jason's Skype connection just was not solid enough 442 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:17.759 and in getting progressively worse. So we'll have Jason called 443 00:22:17.839 --> 00:22:21.519 back and we'll figure this out another time. Okay. So 444 00:22:23.079 --> 00:22:25.200 I think that, uh that Eric, did we cover that 445 00:22:25.240 --> 00:22:25.480 for you? 446 00:22:27.880 --> 00:22:29.920 Yeah, that'll do it. I just want to know what 447 00:22:30.000 --> 00:22:32.759 you guys thought about that. Yeah, what about Shirtsha, what 448 00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:34.559 do you think about the possibility? 449 00:22:35.359 --> 00:22:38.759 Yeah? I think that based on Seena dominating Russev raw 450 00:22:38.839 --> 00:22:41.559 last night in the even Stephen way wwe often books, 451 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:43.640 I think that might be a sign Russev goes over 452 00:22:43.720 --> 00:22:47.319 on Sena Sina. I think if he's gonna lose, he's 453 00:22:47.359 --> 00:22:52.319 gonna lose in a way that gives him a message 454 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:55.039 to give to his fans that he's gonna fight back. Differently, 455 00:22:55.240 --> 00:22:57.559 it's sort of like with Lesnar at SummerSlam and the 456 00:22:57.559 --> 00:22:59.480 story he told him, the comeback he made. So I 457 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:03.599 Thinka's character is built around his fans feeling a sense 458 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:06.599 of adversity and then him saying I'm going to get 459 00:23:06.599 --> 00:23:08.720 back up again, brush myself off, and fight again. So 460 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:11.319 I kind of think that'll happen. I really don't know 461 00:23:12.319 --> 00:23:13.920 how they're going to get to a three way match 462 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:17.880 if they go that route. I don't know if if 463 00:23:17.920 --> 00:23:22.440 it involves I hope not, but Shamus doing something or 464 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:25.359 you know, getting involved, I hope not. It could just 465 00:23:25.440 --> 00:23:27.359 be one of those I don't want to say cheesy 466 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:30.240 because they're not always cheesy, but they can be the 467 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:33.200 back suplex where both guys' shoulders are down and for 468 00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:35.599 some reason there's two referees, one counting on each side. 469 00:23:36.160 --> 00:23:37.720 It seems like it's been a little while since we've 470 00:23:37.720 --> 00:23:43.960 seen that, so possibly they go that route, but I 471 00:23:44.000 --> 00:23:45.920 think there's I think there's a better chance we see 472 00:23:45.920 --> 00:23:47.640 a clean finish and seene a Rocep I'll put I'll 473 00:23:47.640 --> 00:23:51.240 put it that way, and and then I if and 474 00:23:51.319 --> 00:23:52.920 it could be a clean finish if they want rains 475 00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:55.160 Lesnar one on one because they think Rains has looked 476 00:23:55.160 --> 00:23:56.720 good the last couple of weeks, and they feel better 477 00:23:56.759 --> 00:23:58.799 about him being one on one now and they want 478 00:23:58.839 --> 00:24:00.359 to do something else with Brian. I mean, I could 479 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:03.440 see Rains going over clean and Brian being instructed and 480 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:06.599 doing so as a good employer, a good employee, I 481 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:09.200 should say, just raising Rains his hands and going, hey, 482 00:24:09.319 --> 00:24:11.920 this guy beat me. More power to them. So well, 483 00:24:12.640 --> 00:24:14.359 we'll see. I'm I like that I don't know what's 484 00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:16.880 going to happen, and I like that I don't see 485 00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:20.000 it the one like, just one obvious path to get 486 00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:25.240 to various places. So I'll be watching and hopefully word 487 00:24:25.279 --> 00:24:27.880 doesn't get out what's going to happen, because I'm not 488 00:24:28.000 --> 00:24:29.799 a fan of spoilers when it comes to big matches. 489 00:24:30.079 --> 00:24:32.400 You know, it's not it's not important for me to 490 00:24:32.559 --> 00:24:34.640 know a finish ahead of time. I think that kind 491 00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:37.400 of undercuts the enjoyment of the process, just like getting 492 00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:42.319 spoilers on anything. You know that any TV show, any 493 00:24:42.319 --> 00:24:45.599 weekly series, or a sporting event you taped down DVR 494 00:24:45.640 --> 00:24:47.519 and you're trying to avoid the score, whatever it is. 495 00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:49.839 So I hope word doesn't get out in wwwe keeps 496 00:24:50.079 --> 00:24:51.799 a tab on it. And those who here don't don't 497 00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:55.640 widely report it without spoiler corrections or warnings if word 498 00:24:55.680 --> 00:24:58.240 gets out. That said, even when we get spoilers, they're 499 00:24:58.240 --> 00:25:00.519 wrong about a third of the time. So either consentsting 500 00:25:00.559 --> 00:25:03.279 Man changes his mind, or bad information linked out. So therefore, 501 00:25:03.519 --> 00:25:05.720 I'm just looking forward to Sunday, the last match that 502 00:25:05.759 --> 00:25:08.799 I pretty much knew the outcome of. Well maybe the 503 00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:11.920 World Rumble, you know, that was pretty pretty darn predictable. 504 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:13.559 But there was I think more of a chance that 505 00:25:13.759 --> 00:25:15.480 that Rains wasn't going to win than a year ago 506 00:25:15.559 --> 00:25:18.119 with Batista. I think you ago with Batista was pretty 507 00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:21.119 obvious that he was going to win. All right, let's 508 00:25:21.759 --> 00:25:24.000 keep going through the phone calls here and bring Jason 509 00:25:24.039 --> 00:25:27.279 back in the phone phone or back into the conversation here. 510 00:25:27.359 --> 00:25:27.960 Jason is is you? 511 00:25:28.680 --> 00:25:29.079 It is me? 512 00:25:29.759 --> 00:25:33.599 Okay, yep, So let's now go to Eric code two 513 00:25:33.640 --> 00:25:35.960 five six, next, two five six. Thanks for calling. Please 514 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:37.319 state your name and where you're calling from. 515 00:25:40.079 --> 00:25:42.200 The name name. 516 00:25:42.759 --> 00:25:45.359 Hello, yep, that's you. Please state your name and where 517 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:45.920 you're calling from. 518 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:53.839 Oh, I'm calling from the big Alabama. From Alabama here, 519 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:58.000 it's all about no Rathlin, I'm real huge on the 520 00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:01.839 Roma rain character. You know, good looking guy. I mean 521 00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:04.240 I'm good looking myself with both tall and I light 522 00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:07.160 the way there, you know, going with the direction of it. 523 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:10.640 Letting him be the big bull pit bull. Let him 524 00:26:10.680 --> 00:26:14.240 be the face of the company, the brand and everything else. 525 00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:17.480 And I'm fully supporting at all. I'm fully supported. 526 00:26:18.880 --> 00:26:20.960 All right, So we got to vote for Roman Reigns 527 00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:24.119 beating Lesner, beating Brian and then beating Lesner. That's your stance. 528 00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:28.440 That is my fan. He's gonna run through all of 529 00:26:28.559 --> 00:26:31.400 them like X like X flats, going through a through 530 00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.559 a hollow woman. He's going through it all, through the whole. 531 00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:37.160 All right, very good. We're gonna keep her on to calls. 532 00:26:37.200 --> 00:26:39.000 We've got a lot of people on hole today. Let's 533 00:26:39.039 --> 00:26:41.359 move next to eight one six eight one six. Lease 534 00:26:41.359 --> 00:26:42.599 states your name and where you're calling from. 535 00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:45.960 Trump's from Kansas City, Travis. 536 00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:47.000 What have you got for us today? 537 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:51.240 I have a question, do you guys. 538 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:54.319 How hard do you think Romans and Brant are going 539 00:26:54.519 --> 00:26:57.400 into BESTLA mean their character? 540 00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:01.119 Yeah, that is a good topic. Let me bring Jason 541 00:27:01.160 --> 00:27:05.160 in on that, because it is I think I shouldn't 542 00:27:05.160 --> 00:27:08.519 say indisputably, but anyways, but I think that some damage 543 00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:11.759 has been done, especially to Daniel Brian, based on the 544 00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:14.039 way that he's gone about getting this match. And I 545 00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:17.079 was a little surprised, Jason, and were you when Roman 546 00:27:17.200 --> 00:27:20.799 Rains brought it up and said he should have stepped down, 547 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:23.240 stepped away like a man and let the Row Rumble 548 00:27:23.279 --> 00:27:26.279 winner get his WrestleMania Maine event. I didn't think Roman 549 00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:27.920 Rains was whining when he said that. I thought he 550 00:27:28.039 --> 00:27:31.000 was pointing out a truth, and I thought it made 551 00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:33.599 Daniel Bryan look bad. And then Daniel Brian's response was 552 00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:38.079 he was kind of obnoxious about it, and so to me, 553 00:27:38.279 --> 00:27:41.039 I do think Daniel Brian has been damaged by this, 554 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:44.039 even though, and this is the complicated, nuanced part of it, Jason, 555 00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:46.359 is we've all been asking for Brian to kind of 556 00:27:46.359 --> 00:27:47.880 stand up for himself a little more, not be such 557 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:51.559 a pushover. But I think he's strayed a little bit 558 00:27:51.599 --> 00:27:54.480 away from what made him so likable to begin with. 559 00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:57.839 He's standing up for himself, but at the same time, 560 00:27:58.680 --> 00:28:00.880 there's not a good line of defense. He doesn't have 561 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:03.799 a good crown to stand on, and so yeah, it's 562 00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:06.759 rain shouldn't have brought it up that shouldn't have been scripted. 563 00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:10.039 I just think it's an obvious flaw in the storyline. 564 00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:11.759 But if you don't have a good explanation for it, 565 00:28:11.839 --> 00:28:13.480 and they did not, then you don't go there and 566 00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:14.160 leave it alone. 567 00:28:14.240 --> 00:28:17.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I'm with you. I'm with you. 568 00:28:17.480 --> 00:28:19.000 All right, Let's keep rolling through Calls's got a lot 569 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:21.039 of people on hold, and I appreciate all the colors 570 00:28:21.240 --> 00:28:23.039 show and support for what we do here. Let's go 571 00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.559 next to Eric code four seven four seven. Please state 572 00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:30.559 your name of the city you're calling from. Four oh 573 00:28:30.640 --> 00:28:35.400 seven oh four oh seven. Disconnected? Maybe cold Feet? No problem. 574 00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:41.839 Are you a nostalgic wrestling fan? Do you want to 575 00:28:41.880 --> 00:28:44.400 hear about shows you haven't seen in ten, twenty, maybe 576 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:46.799 even thirty years. Well, I have the show for you. 577 00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:50.799 I'm pwsworts dot Com contributor Frank Petty Annie, and since 578 00:28:50.839 --> 00:28:54.000 December of twenty twenty, I've hosted Pro Wrestling Then and Now. 579 00:28:54.480 --> 00:28:57.200 Together with a rotating chair of co hosts. We go 580 00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:00.160 back and review old shows from top to bottom, talk 581 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:02.839 about where the wrestlers were at the time, and compare 582 00:29:02.960 --> 00:29:05.880 what's taking place now to what took place. Then you 583 00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.240 can hear this along with other shows as part of 584 00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:12.200 your pw sworts VIP membership with exclusive podcasts just for 585 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:16.720 members compatible with the Apple podcast app. Visit pwtortch dot 586 00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:19.839 com slash go vip for details and sign up form. 587 00:29:24.839 --> 00:29:26.039 Let's go next to eight to one and then on 588 00:29:26.119 --> 00:29:28.279 deck two five to one, eight to one. Please speak 589 00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:29.400 your name and where you're calling from. 590 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:34.079 My name is Derek, comes from Uto, Derek from Utah. 591 00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:35.680 And on Twitter? Also, what have you got for us? 592 00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:38.880 Oh, I kind of have to disagree with you. 593 00:29:39.640 --> 00:29:42.640 I remembered what you were saying on Twitter. Go ahead, though, 594 00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:43.480 we love that point of view. 595 00:29:44.200 --> 00:29:46.279 Yeah, that's that's just kind of how I am. No, 596 00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:51.240 I don't agree with Danny Brian petulant. I guess that's 597 00:29:51.319 --> 00:29:53.839 my perception, but I think I would say he's being 598 00:29:53.880 --> 00:29:56.799 a lot more assertive, and I think in them in 599 00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:59.960 the months leading up to us comeback, we all talked 600 00:30:00.079 --> 00:30:03.440 about how he should demand that he gets his rematch, 601 00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.680 because that's kind of always been in the narrative of 602 00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:10.880 WWE is a challenger or someone who loses the belt 603 00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:15.200 deserves a rematch, And I think he definitely deserves a rematch. 604 00:30:15.880 --> 00:30:18.319 And the fact that he brought that up and was 605 00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:21.599 assertive enough to do so and confident enough to do so. 606 00:30:22.440 --> 00:30:26.599 I think his solid ground to stand on, as Jason said, 607 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:31.039 he doesn't have. I think a rematch his concrete ground 608 00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:31.559 to stand on. 609 00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:34.559 But Eric, let me jump in and because I want 610 00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:37.799 to get your thoughts on this is getting his rematch 611 00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:43.359 is shouldn't Daniel Bryan, as a babyface with integrity which 612 00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.920 babyfaces should have and a sense of fairness get his 613 00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:52.000 title rematch from the authority without taking something away from 614 00:30:52.079 --> 00:30:54.759 Roman Reigns, which he did do. He took something away 615 00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:58.440 from Roman Reigns by getting Roman Reigns to put his 616 00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:01.640 WrestleMania Maine event at stake in a match against him. 617 00:31:02.279 --> 00:31:04.039 What Rains and Brian should do is stand next to 618 00:31:04.039 --> 00:31:06.240 each other in front of Triple H and Daniel Brian 619 00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:08.920 should look at at Triple H and say Roman Rains 620 00:31:08.920 --> 00:31:10.960 gets the title shot that he won at the Rumble, which, 621 00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:12.279 by the way, is what Daniel Bryan said the day 622 00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:14.920 after the Rumble on that snowed in raw. So when 623 00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:17.160 do I get my match? Is it going to before WrestleMania? 624 00:31:17.279 --> 00:31:19.079 So maybe I beat Lesner and then I'm the one 625 00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:21.279 facing Rains at WrestleMania, or are you going to wait 626 00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.839 until after WrestleMania when I face the winner of Rains 627 00:31:23.839 --> 00:31:26.599 against Lesner. To me, that's how Daniel Bryan stays clean 628 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:27.319 in this situation. 629 00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:31.440 Yeah, and I would agree with that. I think that's 630 00:31:31.519 --> 00:31:36.440 definitely a logical viewpoint. But as a human, I think 631 00:31:37.000 --> 00:31:39.559 and as the competitive nature of what we kind of 632 00:31:39.599 --> 00:31:45.920 demand from WWE superstars or professional wrestlers is I want 633 00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.079 to be the main event of the biggest show of 634 00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:51.240 the year. That's what everyone should strive for. And the 635 00:31:51.359 --> 00:31:54.039 fact that he wants to bring that up and has 636 00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:57.880 legitimate ground to stand on given that he deserves a rematch, 637 00:31:58.480 --> 00:32:01.160 I think that's fine. Why did he enter the Royal 638 00:32:01.240 --> 00:32:05.839 Rumble A good point, I'll give you that, definitely, And 639 00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:08.599 I think that is the from the narrative, is that 640 00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:11.440 he when he came back, it wasn't about a rematch. 641 00:32:11.680 --> 00:32:14.279 It was about I'm going to win the Royal Rumble, 642 00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:16.519 and then when he lost the Rumble, well, now I 643 00:32:16.640 --> 00:32:18.119 want my rematch so I can. 644 00:32:18.279 --> 00:32:20.160 And I think that's the problem with the authority too, 645 00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:23.200 is Triple H and Stephanie kind of again came across 646 00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:25.960 as the smartest people in the room when they basically 647 00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:29.319 laughed at Daniel Bryan for foolishly entering the Rumble when Hunter, now, 648 00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:32.319 maybe he was being disingenuous because heels aren't honest, especially 649 00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:35.559 heels with power, but Hunter just kind of mocked Daniel, going, 650 00:32:35.599 --> 00:32:36.960 why you enter the rumble? We would give you a 651 00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:40.559 title match, and that sort of prompts the question, well, 652 00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:45.759 why did entering the Rumble cost him his automatic title match? 653 00:32:46.039 --> 00:32:47.799 You know, I mean he can enter the Rumble because 654 00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:50.960 he wants to headline WrestleMania as the challenger rather than 655 00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:53.200 another show. I guess you could make that case, Derek. 656 00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:55.680 Maybe that's why he and Jason maybe that's why he 657 00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:57.559 answered the rumble because his preference would be to do 658 00:32:57.599 --> 00:32:59.920 it at Mania and I prove he was back. But 659 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:02.880 either way, my big thing is entering the Rumble should 660 00:33:02.920 --> 00:33:05.759 not storyline wise, so just qualified him from getting the 661 00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:07.680 title rematch that he's owed at some point. 662 00:33:08.880 --> 00:33:12.279 Yeah, and then, you know, in the Roman rains viewpoint too, 663 00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.000 I think needs to be looked at because the big 664 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:18.960 decision after the Rumble was you know, does this guy 665 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:22.680 is this guy worthy of being the main eventor of 666 00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:25.759 the biggest show of the Year and Roman Reigns he 667 00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:28.160 needs to prove that, and he needs to prove that 668 00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.559 in storyline, and he also needs to prove that to 669 00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:34.920 everyone who was watching him from Afar. And the best 670 00:33:34.960 --> 00:33:37.640 way to do that is is the Russell Daniel Bryan 671 00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.440 then proved that not only that he can keep up 672 00:33:41.480 --> 00:33:42.039 from a race. 673 00:33:42.119 --> 00:33:44.279 You know what, Yeah, but this is what I would say. 674 00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:48.119 I think the best way for Roman Reigns to establish 675 00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:51.319 that he deserves that match against brock Lesn at WrestleMania. 676 00:33:51.640 --> 00:33:53.200 The best thing for Roman Rains to do would have 677 00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:54.960 been not to sit and lean on the bottom rope 678 00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:57.599 for a good portion of the time that the rumble 679 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:00.359 was going on a match that he won. A good 680 00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.240 way for Roman Reigns to prove he deserved the main 681 00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:04.640 event at the at WrestleMania was to have him eliminate 682 00:34:04.759 --> 00:34:07.359 Caanaan Big Show, not because Kanaan Big Show were bing 683 00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:10.000 and bickering and arguing, but because Roman Reigns took him 684 00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:12.639 on and beat them and tossed him over the top rope. 685 00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:14.519 And a good way for Roman Rains to prove he 686 00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:16.559 belonged to the main event to WrestleMania would have been 687 00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:19.360 to not have Rock come out and create whatever distraction 688 00:34:19.559 --> 00:34:23.639 that was before Rusev snuck in, snuck back in and 689 00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:26.320 Rains eliminated him. And I'd like to have seen Rains 690 00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:31.440 put in a few minutes of wrestling and battle with Russev, 691 00:34:31.920 --> 00:34:33.519 you know, battle him for a few minutes so that 692 00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:36.239 he actually won something without just simply standing in one 693 00:34:36.280 --> 00:34:39.199 spot and ducking as Roussev flew over the top rope, 694 00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:42.400 which is you know, essentially what happened, So all of 695 00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:44.239 that's there, And then I would add on to that 696 00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:46.519 that's the best way have Roman Reigns actually put in 697 00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:50.599 a memorable effort, a real hard working effort in the Rumble. 698 00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:52.599 But once he won the Rumble, the best way for 699 00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:55.119 Rains to look like he deserves the WrestleMania match isn't 700 00:34:55.159 --> 00:34:57.400 to him and Haw and acknowledge that a crowd in 701 00:34:57.440 --> 00:35:00.679 Philadelphia didn't like it. The best way is WWE to 702 00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:04.440 produce music videos and interviews that shine a good light 703 00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:06.599 on him and put him in situations where he looks 704 00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:08.800 dominant and have a discussion about how he won the 705 00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:11.480 Rumble and the rule is headline Mania and get us 706 00:35:11.480 --> 00:35:13.559 excited about that match. And you know what, they took 707 00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:17.199 step one in that in the Blizzard raw at the headquarters. 708 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.360 That's what I was the most excited about Rains against 709 00:35:19.440 --> 00:35:22.000 Lesnar and when even just twenty four hours after the Rumble, 710 00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.000 less than about twenty one hours after the Rumble, I'm thinking, 711 00:35:25.239 --> 00:35:27.719 you know what, I wasn't so crazy about this match yesterday, 712 00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:29.840 but they're starting to convince me. And then they blinked 713 00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:33.119 and VI SmackDown on Thursday. They completely changed plans and 714 00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:36.320 now all they've done is acknowledged to the entire massive 715 00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:40.119 WWE universe that Roman Reigns has something more to prove 716 00:35:40.239 --> 00:35:43.800 besides winning the Rumble, and that's a story WWE chose 717 00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:46.639 to tell that way. But I think Rain should have 718 00:35:46.719 --> 00:35:50.800 been without a doubt the guy as on television, and 719 00:35:50.920 --> 00:35:54.440 WWE should have used their platform and their years and 720 00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:56.800 decades of experience to make fans believe it. Of course, 721 00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:58.840 there's going to be some doubters. I think they've created 722 00:35:58.880 --> 00:36:02.920 more doubters Jason by the path that they've taken, Yeah 723 00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:03.360 for sure. 724 00:36:03.519 --> 00:36:05.800 Yeah. I mean they're basically telling you that this guy's 725 00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:11.000 not popular, that his Royal Rumble win was tainted. It's 726 00:36:11.039 --> 00:36:13.519 been bad. I mean, it just and the whole Daniel 727 00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:16.079 Bryan scenario as well that he's bringing up. It's just 728 00:36:16.440 --> 00:36:18.840 we can go back and reach for reasons why to 729 00:36:19.119 --> 00:36:21.559 try to make this make sense. They should be doing this. 730 00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:23.960 That's their job is to come up with infill these 731 00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.199 logic gaps, and they're doing a poor job of it. 732 00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.000 Yeah, yeah, Derek, anything else you want to add before 733 00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:30.960 we move on to the next caller. 734 00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:34.239 Oh, you know, I won't disagree with your points. But 735 00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.280 one more point I'd like to make is, you know, 736 00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:39.679 if Roland Rains is going to be this this new 737 00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:43.280 super babyface, I like that idea of the alpha male 738 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.159 who doesn't want to depth the challenger and the alpha 739 00:36:46.199 --> 00:36:49.480 male who Yeah, Daniel Bryant, you think you deserve a rematch, Well, 740 00:36:49.519 --> 00:36:52.039 I can beat you because I'm better than you. And 741 00:36:52.280 --> 00:36:56.000 from a storyline perspective, I think that's the end result 742 00:36:56.039 --> 00:36:58.880 of fast laying is let's see two alpha males who 743 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.519 want to fight to be the best, and I'll pay 744 00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.079 to see that, and hopefully that's what we get on Sunday. 745 00:37:06.760 --> 00:37:08.840 Derek, I really appreciate you providing your point of view today. 746 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:11.320 All Right, you guys have a nice dake. 747 00:37:11.519 --> 00:37:13.880 Absolutely and I actually think we agree on a lot 748 00:37:14.119 --> 00:37:18.039 of things and just have a couple of disagreements. Uh, 749 00:37:18.320 --> 00:37:21.000 but mostly I think we found some common ground. Jason, 750 00:37:21.079 --> 00:37:22.480 it it I think some of it is. You know, 751 00:37:22.559 --> 00:37:24.559 if Roman Rains told Daniel Brian, you know what you 752 00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:28.800 deserved the title shot, you got stripped after WrestleMania, and 753 00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:30.800 Roman was one to say in heck, you defended the 754 00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:32.920 title more often in a few weeks than Lesner has 755 00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:35.599 in a year or or since summers you know, since SummerSlam. 756 00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:41.360 You you you deserve an opportunity, another opportunity to headline WrestleMania. 757 00:37:41.679 --> 00:37:43.119 And I want to prove to fans that I that 758 00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:45.280 I deserve. This included that, including the doubters out there. 759 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:46.800 I mean, there's a way for Roman Rains to be 760 00:37:46.840 --> 00:37:48.599 the alpha and take the lead. I just don't like 761 00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:52.960 the idea that Daniel Brian pressured him and Rains was 762 00:37:53.559 --> 00:37:56.960 suckered and manipulated by the authority into doing something against 763 00:37:57.000 --> 00:37:59.800 his better interest. So Derek scenario works better than what 764 00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:00.159 the it. 765 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:01.400 Did, it does. 766 00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:03.480 I mean, at the same time, you know they're trying 767 00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:05.480 to fill that last night too by having him, you know, 768 00:38:05.639 --> 00:38:08.000 basically say he knew what was going on, and he 769 00:38:08.079 --> 00:38:10.079 chose to do this, and I'm like, well, why didn't 770 00:38:10.119 --> 00:38:12.000 they have him say this two weeks ago or whenever 771 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:15.880 they came up with this kakamami approach to getting to WrestleMania. 772 00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:18.880 The strange path they're taking this has been bad. I mean, 773 00:38:19.079 --> 00:38:22.840 I would hope that there's serious discussions about this within WWE, 774 00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:24.920 and if it's Vince, then I guess you just got 775 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:26.679 to shrug your shoulders and go along with it. But 776 00:38:27.280 --> 00:38:31.559 I'm really amazed at just how many holes there are here, 777 00:38:31.719 --> 00:38:34.559 and then you see them desperately trying to fill them. 778 00:38:34.639 --> 00:38:37.039 And usually that's you know, they're good about it. If 779 00:38:37.039 --> 00:38:38.960 they make a mistake, they can come up with something 780 00:38:39.039 --> 00:38:41.320 that we can at least go okay, they're trying to 781 00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:43.559 cover it. For this time around, there's just there's still 782 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:46.159 all these storyline gaps, and then the ones they even 783 00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:48.000 when they've tried to fill some of them, they don't 784 00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:48.639 make much sense. 785 00:38:49.920 --> 00:38:53.280 Let's pause for a word from our sponsors. 786 00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:55.039 Or any questions about any of this. Hit me up 787 00:38:55.079 --> 00:38:56.760 on Twitter at Pro Wrestling Net. 788 00:38:57.599 --> 00:38:59.960 Very good. Now we go back to Peter you trks 789 00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:01.400 live cast. By the way, you can find our shows 790 00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.920 on demand at PW torchlivecast dot com. That is pet 791 00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.760 W torch live cast dot com, and that is also 792 00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:12.199 where you can listen to our shows live if you 793 00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:14.000 happen to be around. We are on live five days 794 00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.320 a week, Monday through Friday, Mondays in the hour before 795 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.960 Raw starting at seven Eastern and Tuesday through Friday starting 796 00:39:20.280 --> 00:39:24.599 at five thirty Eastern, and also Sundays after major pay 797 00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:28.920 per views, including this Sunday, shortly after Fastling goes off 798 00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:31.039 the air, James Collegel and Greg Parks, we'll have you 799 00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:33.480 covered with a live call in show just like this one, 800 00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:38.239 discussing the happenings at fast Lane. So big week coming 801 00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:42.320 up this Friday. On Interview Friday on PW Torch Live Cast, 802 00:39:42.679 --> 00:39:45.920 TNA's Josh Matthews will be joining me and we'll be 803 00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:48.559 talking about the departure of Samoa Joe. He barely had 804 00:39:48.559 --> 00:39:51.840 a chance to call Somemo Joe matches, and also his 805 00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.159 transition from wwas not true. 806 00:39:54.199 --> 00:39:56.000 We probably has like, you know, seventy five more in 807 00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:56.320 the can. 808 00:39:57.239 --> 00:39:59.639 Well that's a good point. Yeah, with all the tapings 809 00:39:59.639 --> 00:40:03.199 they did, Somojo leaves TNA and his farewell match will 810 00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:08.280 be August fifteenth, twenty fifteen on Destination America. Hey, they 811 00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:11.960 stayed in business and ratings seem to be pretty solid. 812 00:40:12.039 --> 00:40:14.400 So if they can if cut in the budget by 813 00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.159 taping far far ahead is what they need to do 814 00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:18.480 to stay around, you know, so be it. But Jason, 815 00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:20.119 you and I will talk about some mojoe unless the 816 00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:21.960 caller brings it up, we'll talk about it in the 817 00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:25.559 VP after show. But thanks to everybody again, you've you've 818 00:40:25.639 --> 00:40:29.920 kept us high in the storch on your smartphones podcast app. 819 00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:32.239 Back to the phone lines we go for more discussion 820 00:40:32.320 --> 00:40:34.679 about an interesting week in pro wrestling, with a lot 821 00:40:34.800 --> 00:40:37.719 more yet to come. Let's go next to Eric Code 822 00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:39.920 seven to one to three. This is Arcade Lione at 823 00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:42.280 dot net member Arcade, Welcome back to the program. 824 00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:44.679 Hey, gentlemen, what's going on? 825 00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:46.440 Thanks for calling. 826 00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:50.920 I had two questions. I know months ago people were asking, 827 00:40:50.960 --> 00:40:53.199 y' all you know the Ruman reigns ready for the 828 00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:56.920 main event WrestleMania, And I know Jason, especially you would 829 00:40:56.960 --> 00:40:59.920 just say get back to me WrestleMania season. We're not 830 00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:02.840 sure yet. He needs time and unfortunately he got injured, 831 00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:05.000 and I think that injury kind of set him back 832 00:41:05.079 --> 00:41:09.199 the ways. But if you have the choice, do you 833 00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:11.880 go with somebody who's not ready like Rumman, or do 834 00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:13.519 you put him on the back burner and go with 835 00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.800 somebody who is ready like Daniel Bryan And my second 836 00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:20.920 question is does Seth Rowlins need to need to win 837 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.239 when he cashes in the running the Bank contract in 838 00:41:23.360 --> 00:41:27.440 order to continue his momentum as for the past three months, 839 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:30.760 or if he loses, does he lose more than what 840 00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:31.360 he gains? 841 00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:34.199 And that's all I got, all right, Jason, you want 842 00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:39.280 to tackle that first intriguing possibility also Seth Rollins finding 843 00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.719 a way to cash in and become champion, leading to 844 00:41:43.800 --> 00:41:46.000 a four way match sometime in the next few months 845 00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:49.480 too with the rains Brian Lesner and Seth. I don't 846 00:41:49.480 --> 00:41:51.400 know if they're going to use a four way match 847 00:41:52.199 --> 00:41:54.320 with Lesner, but it is kind of a four person 848 00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:55.199 title picture right now. 849 00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:59.920 It's you know, we'll start with the first one and yeah, 850 00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:03.000 eguation with Ramsey, I mean going back to that, going 851 00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:05.119 back to the rumble, I was saying, go with Daniel Bryant. 852 00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.400 He's not ready, and I don't think it's so much 853 00:42:07.440 --> 00:42:10.199 the layoff, because I think the layoff could have been 854 00:42:10.199 --> 00:42:14.199 a positive from the storytelling standpoint. I mean, we've been 855 00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:17.039 seeing them fumble around with him wrestling Big Show and 856 00:42:17.159 --> 00:42:20.239 Kane since his return, and I really believe that's what 857 00:42:20.280 --> 00:42:22.280 he would have been doing the whole time. Anyway, you 858 00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:25.480 throw in one other opponent, So I think it should 859 00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:27.519 have been a time where people actually missed this guy. 860 00:42:28.039 --> 00:42:30.000 They kind of let him get his feet under him 861 00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.280 as far as his character's concerned, and they bring him 862 00:42:32.320 --> 00:42:35.280 back in a big way. They failed. They failed this guy. 863 00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.159 I mean, he has his own shortcomings, but creatively they 864 00:42:38.239 --> 00:42:40.840 have done a poor job. And even if he gets 865 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.599 let's say, just for the sake of argument, he goes 866 00:42:43.639 --> 00:42:45.800 on and as a singles match with leslerd at Mania 867 00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:48.159 and things go really well, I still don't have any 868 00:42:48.159 --> 00:42:50.760 confidence that he's the right guy going forward. Maybe he 869 00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:52.639 grows into the role, but I think there's some rock 870 00:42:52.760 --> 00:42:54.119 it's a rocky road ahead for him. 871 00:42:55.960 --> 00:42:57.880 And how about number two Steth Rollins. Does he need 872 00:42:57.920 --> 00:42:58.320 to cash in? 873 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:02.480 I think it's you know, I would like to if 874 00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:07.400 Lesner's leaving, and I guess yeah, I would like to see. 875 00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.800 That's the most appealing option to me. It's if Lesnar stays. 876 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:13.480 I think Rock Lesner should hold that championship. And I 877 00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:16.000 don't know how you have Rollins cash. Maybe cash is 878 00:43:16.039 --> 00:43:18.159 in during the match and eight fails, you know, but 879 00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:20.239 I think you have Lesner hold onto the championship to 880 00:43:20.360 --> 00:43:22.599 be sticking around if he's not. Yeah, I want to 881 00:43:22.599 --> 00:43:25.119 see Seth Rollins cash in on either Daniel Bryan or 882 00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:27.519 Roman Rings. I think that's the way to play it, 883 00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:30.440 either at Mania or shortly thereafter, even the next night. 884 00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.320 And because I just think Rollins is the best thing 885 00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:35.840 they have going as a heel right now, all those 886 00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:38.599 ready made programs with so many different people, I think 887 00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:41.039 he's the best bet rather than Rains or Daniel Bryan. 888 00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.880 Let's go next to Eric code four oh seven four seven. 889 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:47.440 Thanks for holding. Please state to name and where you're 890 00:43:47.480 --> 00:43:47.840 calling from. 891 00:43:49.039 --> 00:43:51.000 Hey guys, this is Kyle out from Lakeland. 892 00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:56.320 Kyle from Lakeland. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, Kel, speak up 893 00:43:56.320 --> 00:43:56.639 a little bit. 894 00:43:56.679 --> 00:43:59.440 I'm trouble hearing you, all right, I'm driving in the 895 00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:00.360 lane here, Orlando. 896 00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:02.599 Yeah, Well stay safe first and foremost. 897 00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:04.360 Yeah. Uh. 898 00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:07.119 My question had to do with kind of the way 899 00:44:07.199 --> 00:44:11.599 that NXT is being perceived has so much more superior 900 00:44:11.679 --> 00:44:14.840 to the main roster. I know, Uh, we kind of 901 00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:17.920 have this discussion every time there's an NXT special. Do 902 00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:20.559 you think that it's that it's never gonna get to 903 00:44:20.639 --> 00:44:24.039 the point where the frustration ever boils over? You know, 904 00:44:24.119 --> 00:44:26.760 the Triple H's doing so well got in Orlando, and 905 00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:29.280 the main robster has so many problems? Or is that 906 00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:32.039 just the product of itfteen one hour a week with 907 00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:33.119 an occasional special. 908 00:44:35.719 --> 00:44:37.400 The last thing you said is part of it, but 909 00:44:37.480 --> 00:44:40.000 it's not all of it, you know. I think some 910 00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:42.400 people Jason look at Nystein go, well, you know, if 911 00:44:42.599 --> 00:44:44.480 WW only had to put on two good hours every 912 00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:46.760 two or three months and only had one hour to 913 00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:48.760 fill the rest of the time, you know, then then 914 00:44:48.800 --> 00:44:50.480 they could put their best wood forward every two to 915 00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:52.760 three months and they'd be spectacular because you wouldn't be 916 00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:55.960 so that that the top stars wouldn't be so overexposed. 917 00:44:56.039 --> 00:44:57.920 But there's more to it than that. But that's part 918 00:44:57.960 --> 00:44:58.639 of it, right Jason. 919 00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:01.800 It is, man, that's a big question going forward, when 920 00:45:01.880 --> 00:45:03.800 when and if that day comes or Hunter takes over, 921 00:45:03.960 --> 00:45:05.719 you know, how does he do with five hours of 922 00:45:05.800 --> 00:45:08.920 meaningful television and you know, basing him on a weekly basis. 923 00:45:10.039 --> 00:45:13.400 Exactly, or or if Hunter takes over. I mean, Vince 924 00:45:13.519 --> 00:45:16.880 is only sixty nine, and if he's eighty nine years 925 00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:20.039 old and still running WWE, Triple H is going to 926 00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:23.000 be in the sixties and he might be retired. I mean, 927 00:45:23.239 --> 00:45:24.440 this is a questionaid. 928 00:45:24.159 --> 00:45:26.679 Winter, if you know I mean exactly. It's fancy may 929 00:45:26.760 --> 00:45:28.440 live here and may out live Triple H for all 930 00:45:28.519 --> 00:45:32.800 we know. And with Hunter, I just I guess. I 931 00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:37.239 hope that if there's a transition, Hunter's not completely out 932 00:45:37.239 --> 00:45:39.880 of touch. But by the time that transition occurs, that's 933 00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:40.519 a good point. 934 00:45:46.920 --> 00:45:48.599 You don't have to wait for the way Keller Pro 935 00:45:48.599 --> 00:45:50.519 Wrestling post show to find out what I thought of 936 00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:52.880 Monday Night Raw and SmackDown. Each week, you can check 937 00:45:52.920 --> 00:45:55.719 out my reports that are updated live throughout Raw and 938 00:45:55.840 --> 00:46:00.159 SmackDown at pwtorch dot com. 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Do you 950 00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:47.840 think that NXT has talent? Bruce Mitchell talked about this 951 00:46:47.920 --> 00:46:50.199 yesterday with Travis Bryant on pw torch Live cast the 952 00:46:50.199 --> 00:46:54.840 Money Edition before Raw, that NXT doesn't have talent that 953 00:46:55.039 --> 00:47:00.239 can translate into top stars in WWE, that the not 954 00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:04.320 main roster type of talent, and that therefore and for 955 00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:07.280 other reasons, NXT is more of promotion just to try 956 00:47:07.320 --> 00:47:12.239 to co opt hardcore fans and maybe take a little 957 00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:15.039 something away from the other outside groups and they get 958 00:47:15.079 --> 00:47:16.880 more credit for developing their own stars. Bruce can make 959 00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:19.880 his argument better than I just did, but is because 960 00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:24.320 I don't necessarily agree that NXT is not valuable for 961 00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:29.679 the main roster if it's producing borderline top tier stars 962 00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:32.079 or really really good top of the second tier stars, 963 00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:34.760 Like I don't think that you need to have the 964 00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:36.719 next John Cena in the pipeline all the time for 965 00:47:36.880 --> 00:47:39.760 NXT to seem like a genuine effort to create main 966 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:40.719 roster talent. 967 00:47:41.719 --> 00:47:44.280 You don't. And I think the issue here is that 968 00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:46.800 the nxts, the guys that are, you know, on the 969 00:47:46.880 --> 00:47:49.559 verge of being elevated, we don't see them as Vince 970 00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:52.440 McMahon types. You know, that's kind of the issue here. 971 00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.199 I think if it's a different vision for WWE, these 972 00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:57.320 guys could be top stars. You know, maybe not all 973 00:47:57.320 --> 00:47:58.800 of them, so we're going to do better than others. 974 00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:01.719 But yeah, I don't any reason why why Sammy's Ain 975 00:48:01.840 --> 00:48:04.800 couldn't have some you know, maybe not the same success 976 00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.679 as Daniel Bryant, but approaching that certainly. Finn Balor, I mean, 977 00:48:07.719 --> 00:48:10.639 there's there's a list of very talented people down there. 978 00:48:11.280 --> 00:48:13.920 I mean, I question, is Triple Lake setting this up 979 00:48:13.960 --> 00:48:17.719 for when he takes over or is he you know, 980 00:48:18.199 --> 00:48:20.920 it doesn't seem like he's certainly not taking the John 981 00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:23.320 Laurnidis approach of going and finding a bunch of muscle 982 00:48:23.360 --> 00:48:25.800 bound guys that look like they all belong in some 983 00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:29.440 strip strip club ad together. He's not doing that. He's 984 00:48:29.519 --> 00:48:31.840 just going out and getting the best independent talent. But 985 00:48:32.400 --> 00:48:34.199 let's see where this is at a few years from now. 986 00:48:34.360 --> 00:48:37.320 Is he still going aggressively after independent talent or is 987 00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:39.159 it just that's how you get to sing on the 988 00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:41.960 map and then you slowly but surely start to recruit 989 00:48:42.039 --> 00:48:44.320 more of those athlete types as he talked about, and 990 00:48:44.400 --> 00:48:46.320 and kind of start from scratch with some guys. I mean, 991 00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:49.320 NXT may be different a few years from now. I 992 00:48:49.400 --> 00:48:50.599 just don't know what the future holds. 993 00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:54.639 Yeah, I do think they're kind of the very small 994 00:48:54.760 --> 00:48:57.480 roster of talent that's featured on NXT, because it's not 995 00:48:57.559 --> 00:49:00.280 a deep roster. I mean, it's, you know, aly a 996 00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:03.760 dozen guys who are regularly on the NXT program. There's 997 00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:06.039 other people in developmental and when those guys are ready, 998 00:49:06.079 --> 00:49:08.840 they'll get filtered in. And it could at any given 999 00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:10.639 time this could be looked on and look back on 1000 00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:14.519 as a glory period for NXT, and the next two 1001 00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:17.239 or three guys who dominate television can't have the Sammy's 1002 00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:22.159 and Adrian Neville, Finn Balor Jdeo, Tommy Kevin Owens level matches. 1003 00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:25.280 I think that these five that I just named are 1004 00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:29.719 gonna be probably the measuring stick for every group of 1005 00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:32.000 top four or five guys in NXT for years to come. 1006 00:49:32.760 --> 00:49:35.239 It's just a special time for them. But there might 1007 00:49:35.400 --> 00:49:38.159 be a time when NXT's less entertaining, but it's more 1008 00:49:38.920 --> 00:49:41.920 valuable in the sense that it's it's producing and grooming 1009 00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:44.880 the next Roman Reigns, the next Batista, the next John Cena, 1010 00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:47.239 the next Edge, the next you know, pick your next 1011 00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:49.800 triple eighth, you know, the tall guy that fits what 1012 00:49:49.880 --> 00:49:53.840 Vincickmann looks for. All right, back to the phone lines. 1013 00:49:53.920 --> 00:49:55.960 Let's go to Ericode two five to one to five one. 1014 00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:57.559 Please state your name in the city you're calling from. 1015 00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:02.639 Heyway, this is Brian from Fairhope, Alabamay. 1016 00:50:01.679 --> 00:50:03.199 Brian, thanks for Colin. What have you got for Jason? 1017 00:50:03.239 --> 00:50:07.119 Hey well, Waite, I really like a lot of your 1018 00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:10.679 changes that you made to your audio programs, especially on 1019 00:50:10.760 --> 00:50:11.639 your daily updates. 1020 00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:14.960 Yeah, well great the audio quality, you mean. 1021 00:50:16.039 --> 00:50:18.960 The quality the intros that you're putting in the new 1022 00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:21.079 intro music, which kind of gives me kind of like 1023 00:50:21.119 --> 00:50:24.519 a Midnight Express sort of nostalgie above. 1024 00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:31.679 Uh here for once, you know, Well it's there. 1025 00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:32.719 The teas is neat. 1026 00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:39.880 I really like it. Three things One could you tell 1027 00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:44.840 us about anything more with the new Creative Vice president's 1028 00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:49.840 bureaucrat whatever they have for WWE. I've heard that she's 1029 00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:54.960 a vote splitter between Vincent Hunter or something. I haven't 1030 00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:59.719 seen anything that screams wow Creative has done anything different 1031 00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:06.000 before the announcement. Also, one thing that I mean when 1032 00:51:06.039 --> 00:51:10.199 you ask if we like the current state of the 1033 00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:14.920 Daniel Brian Roman Range feud, which week they've not had 1034 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:16.920 a consistent story from one week to the next. I 1035 00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:19.639 kind of like this week, but I don't know if 1036 00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:23.719 I'll be around, And I really don't know if they 1037 00:51:23.800 --> 00:51:26.639 know how to book a babyface like Brian who isn't 1038 00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:33.599 all about ruthless aggression and who actually seems like content 1039 00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:37.239 and doesn't need his approval from from anywhere else, that 1040 00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:39.159 just likes what he does. And I think that kind 1041 00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:41.760 of bites them in the tale for how to promote 1042 00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:42.280 a guy like that. 1043 00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:45.800 And I think that. 1044 00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:50.159 They're freezing Brockwesterner out of fast Lane and they don't 1045 00:51:50.239 --> 00:51:51.639 know what to do with him or what he's going 1046 00:51:51.679 --> 00:51:53.679 to do for his contract. And once they have that 1047 00:51:53.760 --> 00:51:56.000 decision that will determine what happens to the main event 1048 00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:56.679 of WrestleMania. 1049 00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:01.280 Well, yeah, absolutely, Brian good top I think rock Lesner's 1050 00:52:01.320 --> 00:52:05.159 future will change the booking plans at Russemania, or that'll 1051 00:52:05.199 --> 00:52:07.760 have a tremendous effect on it. I think if Lesner 1052 00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:09.760 sticks around, they're they're going to treat him differently than 1053 00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:12.320 if it's Lesner's last or second or third to last 1054 00:52:12.360 --> 00:52:17.480 appearance for WWE. The new executive vice president, Lisa Fox, 1055 00:52:18.360 --> 00:52:22.719 and this was announced last month, is saying she's a 1056 00:52:22.920 --> 00:52:28.400 tie breaker vote Jason. Maybe on business matters, but overseeing 1057 00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:33.559 the creative team is you know, having that as your 1058 00:52:33.719 --> 00:52:37.880 title is something. But to say that she's going to 1059 00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:39.960 be able to that she will be the tiebreaker of 1060 00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:41.920 Vince is really against something. But she and Hunter are 1061 00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:44.679 for it. I would like to be a fly on 1062 00:52:44.719 --> 00:52:45.679 the wall for that happening. 1063 00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:48.719 I'm not buying it. I'm just I don't even know 1064 00:52:48.760 --> 00:52:50.639 why that's part of her title. I mean, it's Vince, 1065 00:52:50.679 --> 00:52:53.039 it's Vince's show, and Vince wants it. He's going to 1066 00:52:53.079 --> 00:52:56.400 get it, And I just don't buy that they're going 1067 00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:58.920 to bring in an outsider to make that decision for them. 1068 00:52:59.079 --> 00:53:02.119 Vince has always been tiebreaker when you think about it. 1069 00:53:02.360 --> 00:53:05.280 If not that, really, there's all these situations where the 1070 00:53:05.320 --> 00:53:07.480 creative team is split because I don't think he values 1071 00:53:08.000 --> 00:53:11.360 too many of their opinions. But that's what Vince does. 1072 00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:14.039 He steers the ship, and the Hunter has made it 1073 00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:16.280 clear that at the end of the day, it's still 1074 00:53:16.360 --> 00:53:19.000 Vince's baby. We're not hearing him in the media appearances 1075 00:53:19.039 --> 00:53:22.360 he's doing talking about this person nothing. It's still Vince 1076 00:53:22.440 --> 00:53:25.280 McMahon's vision and he still has final. 1077 00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:28.039 Say, And it almost seems I mean, you know, promoting 1078 00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:31.280 somebody from within who's worked in television production and business 1079 00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:36.519 strategy and heck, sponsorship sales, that doesn't prepare you for 1080 00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:43.400 being somebody who's going to necessarily know what needs to 1081 00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:45.519 be done to sell tickets. On a creative sense, I 1082 00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:48.159 think that there's people in wrestling who have been very 1083 00:53:48.159 --> 00:53:51.480 good at certain jobs who weren't necessarily, by definition of 1084 00:53:51.599 --> 00:53:54.039 being good at sponsorship sales, being able to transition over 1085 00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:57.519 and be a tiebreaker on what's best creatively. But yeah, 1086 00:53:57.599 --> 00:54:00.320 let's be realistic. Vincentc. Mann is his own tiebreaker, and 1087 00:54:00.840 --> 00:54:05.360 until I have, uh, monumental evidence otherwise, I think it's 1088 00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:08.280 it's a corporate press release that that sounds good and 1089 00:54:08.360 --> 00:54:10.320 that gives the impression that w W is being run 1090 00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:13.599 like a corporation and not a dictatorship. But yeah, I 1091 00:54:13.639 --> 00:54:17.800 don't I don't see Vince, you know, doing something anything 1092 00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:20.519 major that goes against his wishes. Now minor stuff that 1093 00:54:20.599 --> 00:54:22.599 he's not really all that concerned with. Sure, you know 1094 00:54:22.920 --> 00:54:25.840 that I could see him just you know, defaulting to 1095 00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:29.559 a couple different voices and you know, but no, no, 1096 00:54:29.639 --> 00:54:31.880 on big, big issues. I don't see anybody being a tiebreaker. 1097 00:54:31.920 --> 00:54:33.760 All right, let's go next to Eric code seven three 1098 00:54:33.840 --> 00:54:35.480 two seven three two. Thanks for holding. Please state your 1099 00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:36.440 name and where you're calling from. 1100 00:54:38.559 --> 00:54:41.119 Wait, it's taught from the Jersey br Sevember. 1101 00:54:41.159 --> 00:54:41.599 How you guys? 1102 00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:43.280 How you guys do It's night? 1103 00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:43.920 Good? 1104 00:54:43.960 --> 00:54:45.559 I did miss your first name even though you call 1105 00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:47.000 it what what Scott? 1106 00:54:47.440 --> 00:54:47.679 Scott? 1107 00:54:47.719 --> 00:54:51.679 Oh Scott, Yeah, yeah, I recommend I recommend I recognize 1108 00:54:51.719 --> 00:54:53.679 your voice. Go ahead, Scott, How do you guys? 1109 00:54:53.760 --> 00:54:53.920 Do it? 1110 00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:54.280 Tonight? 1111 00:54:54.719 --> 00:54:54.920 Good? 1112 00:54:55.960 --> 00:54:59.840 Terrifict Just two quick points I have questions about. Firstly, 1113 00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:01.679 a couple of weeks ago, you were talking a little 1114 00:55:01.679 --> 00:55:06.239 bit about maybe a soft Brands plat coming at some point. 1115 00:55:06.679 --> 00:55:08.360 Has there been any developments on that in the last 1116 00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:08.960 couple of weeks. 1117 00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:12.159 I was we've got such a bad connection. I didn't 1118 00:55:12.199 --> 00:55:14.920 hear what you asked about. What what was the top now? 1119 00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:17.400 Not much better, but just go ahead and repeat what 1120 00:55:17.440 --> 00:55:18.239 you said a little louder. 1121 00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:22.039 I was asking if you had any more developments on 1122 00:55:22.199 --> 00:55:23.639 I know you had a couple of weeks back on 1123 00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:27.199 one of the Europe Week Colt hotlines about the chance 1124 00:55:27.280 --> 00:55:30.159 of a Brands like of a Soft Brands splay. Has 1125 00:55:30.199 --> 00:55:33.119 there been a more information on that over the last 1126 00:55:33.159 --> 00:55:33.519 few weeks. 1127 00:55:33.760 --> 00:55:36.119 I no, I haven't had any any more information, and 1128 00:55:36.440 --> 00:55:40.039 I think we've seen evidence. Just sort of to the contrary, Jason, 1129 00:55:40.920 --> 00:55:42.920 that's Macdown's kind of gone back to being the show 1130 00:55:43.039 --> 00:55:45.639 that is, especially last Thursday, it was a lot of 1131 00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:52.000 video packages and it was a gimmicky formula the taking turmoil, 1132 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:56.000 but you don't get a lot of John Cena or 1133 00:55:56.519 --> 00:55:59.199 Triple Ah and Stephanie for that matter, and it feels 1134 00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:03.880 like a B show. I'm skeptical whenever Vince McMahon or 1135 00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:06.719 WWB get excited about a new program like Main Event 1136 00:56:07.159 --> 00:56:10.800 or a new format for SmackDown, because or I mean, 1137 00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:14.639 there's a lot of the taut or what was it 1138 00:56:14.679 --> 00:56:17.559 called raw reaction or raw input where the fans got 1139 00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:19.400 to vote for stuff, and they were so excited about that. 1140 00:56:20.199 --> 00:56:22.679 I just think there's corporate meetings and they get excited 1141 00:56:22.679 --> 00:56:24.559 about something or they feel they need to say something 1142 00:56:24.599 --> 00:56:27.119 to satisfy sci Fi when they move from Fridays to 1143 00:56:27.159 --> 00:56:30.119 Thursdays to a better day, and then the creative just 1144 00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:31.840 kind of gets carried away and they put their eye 1145 00:56:31.880 --> 00:56:34.079 right back on just trying to promote WrestleMania the best 1146 00:56:34.119 --> 00:56:36.960 way they can, and they don't know what they can 1147 00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:41.000 save just for SmackDown. Perhaps post WrestleMania, Jason, there'll be 1148 00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:43.920 more of a differentiation between the programs. This is the 1149 00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:45.760 time of year, even when there were brand splits that 1150 00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:48.239 they ended up doing the super shows because they wanted 1151 00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:51.000 everybody on Mania to always be on Raw. So, you know, 1152 00:56:51.159 --> 00:56:53.360 just looking at history and learning from that, combined with 1153 00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:55.360 what I heard a month or two back about this 1154 00:56:55.719 --> 00:56:58.679 moved to Thursdays, maybe the changes will happen, but not 1155 00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:00.519 until after WrestleMania. And that's a thing I can ask 1156 00:57:00.559 --> 00:57:02.960 more about, but certainly I haven't seen evidence of it yet. 1157 00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:06.800 Let's not judge them. But based on last Thursday though, 1158 00:57:06.880 --> 00:57:10.079 because that was the taping where half the crew is 1159 00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:12.519 on its way to Kuwait on Tuesday night, and so 1160 00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:14.679 they were basically dealing with the half crew, and so 1161 00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:16.119 I think that's a big part of the reason we 1162 00:57:16.199 --> 00:57:18.880 saw that that tape tag team turmoil thing. But yeah, 1163 00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:21.159 I haven't been wowed. I mean even right out of 1164 00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:23.800 the gate with their first show of the Thursday night 1165 00:57:23.840 --> 00:57:26.679 air was like, Okay, thet bigger than most Smackdowns, But 1166 00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:28.840 I wasn't just blown away, like, man, I can't wait 1167 00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:32.920 to see next SmackDown, And you can usually tell it's 1168 00:57:33.639 --> 00:57:36.840 when they start really driving home the hype for SmackDown 1169 00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:40.000 on Raw, and we got kind of the usual last night. 1170 00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:42.519 At least it wasn't a miss TV talking segment that 1171 00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:45.800 seems to be their fallback. But this they did give 1172 00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:48.480 us the hype for the Dolph Segguler seth Rollins match, 1173 00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:51.519 so that's something. But until I see them really banging, 1174 00:57:51.559 --> 00:57:53.320 you know, just beating us over the head with SmackDown 1175 00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:55.840 SmackDown SmackDown on Raw, I'm just going to assume, Yeah, 1176 00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:57.320 they're still approaching this as a B show. 1177 00:57:58.639 --> 00:58:01.039 YEP. I want to see some evidants before I believe 1178 00:58:01.039 --> 00:58:02.400 in it. All right, let's go to another color here. 1179 00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:05.360 This is International or number is blocks that shows up 1180 00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:06.679 as all ones for us. Please state your name and 1181 00:58:06.679 --> 00:58:07.400 where you're calling from. 1182 00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:10.199 This is you. 1183 00:58:10.280 --> 00:58:13.679 If you heard a beebe If you're on hold, say 1184 00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:17.199 your name all right. If you're about to be hung 1185 00:58:17.280 --> 00:58:19.360 up on, that's you who should have spoken up. Sorry 1186 00:58:19.360 --> 00:58:22.639 about that, all right, Let's go next to three four seven, 1187 00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:24.239 three four seven. Please state your name and where you're 1188 00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:24.639 calling from. 1189 00:58:26.119 --> 00:58:27.639 Hello, this is Christ from New York. 1190 00:58:28.039 --> 00:58:29.239 Hey, Chris, what have you got for us? 1191 00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:33.039 I have two questions. The first one is actually about 1192 00:58:33.119 --> 00:58:36.480 brock Lesner. I read something today in which Jim Ross 1193 00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:39.960 feels that brock Lesner will resign with the company because 1194 00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:42.880 from a financial standpoint he can be paid very well, 1195 00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:46.119 but also he can avoid the rigors of long term 1196 00:58:46.239 --> 00:58:49.840 injury in MMA, which is actually obviously a real life 1197 00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:53.199 contact sport. And the second question is about John Cena. 1198 00:58:53.679 --> 00:58:56.920 Do you think w B made a mistake in announcing, 1199 00:58:57.159 --> 00:59:00.239 in terms of the Internet crowd that Roman reigns the 1200 00:59:00.280 --> 00:59:03.400 next John Cena when the fact is Johnson is only 1201 00:59:03.519 --> 00:59:05.719 thirty eight years old, and if he stays around for 1202 00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:08.519 five more years he can or seven, he can still 1203 00:59:08.599 --> 00:59:10.559 be the top guy. And then at some point if 1204 00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:13.159 he retires, there's a good chance for move into an 1205 00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:15.880 executive role with a company, since he seems to be 1206 00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:18.280 dow to be for life, and he's such a valuable 1207 00:59:18.360 --> 00:59:21.239 tool just from a public relations standpoint, the fact that 1208 00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:22.239 he's so clean. 1209 00:59:22.079 --> 00:59:27.079 Cut, Jason. I don't think preparing for life after John 1210 00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:30.079 Cena is giving up on John Cena. But as we 1211 00:59:30.159 --> 00:59:32.639 saw last year and this year, he's willing to take 1212 00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:35.880 a back seat at the WrestleMania main event in order 1213 00:59:35.960 --> 00:59:38.440 to help give the rub of being a WrestleMania main 1214 00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:41.360 event or to somebody else so that you know, as 1215 00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:43.679 a corporate guy, as a company guy, Jason, John Cena 1216 00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:47.239 seems to be willing to step aside or share that 1217 00:59:47.480 --> 00:59:49.719 top tier with somebody else, And I just think it's 1218 00:59:49.719 --> 00:59:51.920 smart business to make sure if Sena goes down with 1219 00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:54.000 an injury, that you have somebody else ready to go. 1220 00:59:54.079 --> 00:59:55.719 I don't think it means they're giving up on Sena. 1221 00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:57.719 I doubt he's a top guy for eight more years. 1222 00:59:57.840 --> 00:59:59.400 But I've said that about a lot of people who 1223 00:59:59.440 --> 01:00:01.840 are in there late thirties before, who still were around 1224 01:00:01.840 --> 01:00:02.840 in their mid forties. 1225 01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:05.960 Right, Yeah, I mean it sounds with that hole he's 1226 01:00:05.960 --> 01:00:08.960 getting old storyline. I don't know if they know something 1227 01:00:09.039 --> 01:00:11.880 we don't, and the transition is happening sooner other than later. 1228 01:00:11.920 --> 01:00:14.320 But he's no Hogan, you know, Hull Cogan was very 1229 01:00:14.400 --> 01:00:16.840 much about Hull Coogan and didn't really care about the 1230 01:00:16.920 --> 01:00:20.199 future of WWE. After Hull Kogan seen it really does 1231 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:22.719 seem to they have to give him credit for that one. 1232 01:00:24.239 --> 01:00:27.519 And his first topic on Lesner, I'm not quite sure. 1233 01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:31.519 The riggers of MMA are different, but not necessarily greater 1234 01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:34.440 than the riggers of a full time WWE schedule, But 1235 01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:37.119 the riggers of training for MMA and actually fighting MMA 1236 01:00:37.519 --> 01:00:40.960 is a lot harder than Brock Lesner's WWE schedule. And 1237 01:00:41.280 --> 01:00:43.320 if that's Ross's point and I didn't see or hear 1238 01:00:43.400 --> 01:00:45.920 the particular comment Chris reference, then yeah, I mean, it 1239 01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:48.599 does seem pretty obvious that Lesner would prefer to make 1240 01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:54.719 guaranteed money doing something that doesn't require around the clock 1241 01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:58.559 training for months and the possibility of getting hurt or 1242 01:00:58.599 --> 01:01:03.039 losing USC. I mean, it's attractive. The question is, does 1243 01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:05.880 Brock have a burning desire to compete competitively once again, 1244 01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:08.920 given the way that he left with that deverticulitis really 1245 01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:12.440 slowing him down, in his fights or not. If he 1246 01:01:12.599 --> 01:01:15.679 doesn't care about that, and good for him. If he doesn't, 1247 01:01:16.639 --> 01:01:18.559 then he should do what is best for him and 1248 01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:21.239 his family financially and for his health, and that might 1249 01:01:21.320 --> 01:01:23.239 mean staying in WWW for another year or two. 1250 01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:26.519 Jason, Yeah, I mean, I think it's now or never 1251 01:01:26.599 --> 01:01:28.800 for Brock and UFC in any meaningful way. I mean, 1252 01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:32.079 I think the Punk signing shows that, Okay, they're they're 1253 01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:34.280 open to just you know, selling out and making a 1254 01:01:34.320 --> 01:01:37.119 little bit of money too. But if Brock wants to 1255 01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:39.760 be in a meaningful title fight, I think it's kind 1256 01:01:39.760 --> 01:01:43.679 of now or never for him. Ross cited concerns over 1257 01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:47.039 long term health effects of competing in MMA, specifically concussion 1258 01:01:47.079 --> 01:01:49.760 oriented issues. I mean, that's something I've been talking about 1259 01:01:49.760 --> 01:01:52.320 for a long time with Brock. Is he there were 1260 01:01:52.440 --> 01:01:55.719 concerns after the the Shane Carwin and kine Velaskas fights. 1261 01:01:55.760 --> 01:01:58.360 You know, it's not that he didn't like getting hit 1262 01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:00.559 in the head. It's there's, you know, there's head traum 1263 01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:02.440 issues that come along with that, and with that being 1264 01:02:02.559 --> 01:02:06.320 so such a popular topic of conversation these days, I 1265 01:02:06.400 --> 01:02:08.280 think it made him stop and think about it. And 1266 01:02:08.599 --> 01:02:10.559 it doesn't mean he's not going back, but I do 1267 01:02:10.719 --> 01:02:12.679 know that was a concern coming out of his last 1268 01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:13.360 UFC run. 1269 01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:23.840 I'm Kelly Wells, host of PWT Talks NXT, the longest 1270 01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:27.840 running NXT podcast Anywhere. Join me along with Nate Lindberg, 1271 01:02:27.960 --> 01:02:31.360 Bruce Lee, Hazelwood and special guests live every Tuesday night, 1272 01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:34.800 just minutes after NXT, where we cover the good, the bad, 1273 01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:36.840 and the ugly on the way to becoming a star 1274 01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:40.199 in WWE. Check us out live on YouTube or stream 1275 01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:42.159 later wherever you get your podcast. 1276 01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:53.400 Samo Joe, we talked about him earlier, Jason, do you 1277 01:02:53.440 --> 01:02:56.400 think he ends up in WWE Ring of Honor following 1278 01:02:56.440 --> 01:02:59.119 aj styles pattern doing a little bit of everything? Or 1279 01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:01.599 is he going to move to something else? Have you 1280 01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:04.880 heard anything I asked I talk? You know, somebody asked 1281 01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:06.920 me for a weight Keller hotline on the VIP side 1282 01:03:06.960 --> 01:03:09.440 of things several days back. You know, Somojo is he 1283 01:03:09.800 --> 01:03:11.679 still does he still have gassed in the tank and 1284 01:03:11.719 --> 01:03:13.960 would he be valuable for WWE? And I give a 1285 01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:16.039 resounding yes. I think he'd be a great signing for 1286 01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:18.239 them even if he had to you know, spent two 1287 01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:21.639 three four months in developmental Just you know, as Tribla says, 1288 01:03:21.719 --> 01:03:23.559 learning about the camera angles and how we do things. 1289 01:03:24.159 --> 01:03:26.199 I'm fine with that. I think Tomojo would be hugely 1290 01:03:26.280 --> 01:03:28.960 valuable for WWE's top tier right now. And it is 1291 01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:31.039 sort of you say, Lesnar, now we're never MMA. It's 1292 01:03:31.079 --> 01:03:33.599 kind of now, we're never for Joe in WWE. But 1293 01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:36.119 at the same time, he's probably got some good paydays 1294 01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:38.400 waiting for him in Japan and the indie scene too 1295 01:03:38.519 --> 01:03:40.320 that would more than make up for the loss of 1296 01:03:40.360 --> 01:03:43.679 TNA dates how few there are, I could. 1297 01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:45.519 See this one going either way. I mean, he's he's 1298 01:03:45.599 --> 01:03:47.440 going to be thirty six here in about a month 1299 01:03:48.000 --> 01:03:50.039 actually a month from now as I look it up here, 1300 01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:52.880 he'll be thirty six years old, and you know he 1301 01:03:53.760 --> 01:03:55.639 I don't think he needs a long stay in development. 1302 01:03:55.679 --> 01:03:57.920 I'm like you say, somebody working on some of the intangibles. 1303 01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:01.719 But I would like to see him end up in WWE. Selfishly, 1304 01:04:01.800 --> 01:04:03.480 I'd like to see him and Daniel Brown. I mean, 1305 01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:04.920 I wish see him Punk was still there to go 1306 01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.360 to bat for him, because Punk could, you know, be 1307 01:04:07.480 --> 01:04:09.559 someone who would probably be more willing to do that 1308 01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:12.960 than some of the guys on the roster. Today. I 1309 01:04:13.199 --> 01:04:15.280 just don't know. I mean, there was that weird thing 1310 01:04:15.280 --> 01:04:17.599 where didn't Triple H follow him on Twitter or something 1311 01:04:17.719 --> 01:04:19.559 like that at one point not too long ago, and 1312 01:04:19.679 --> 01:04:22.159 there was like that got some attention, So I mean 1313 01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:25.000 there must It's not like Triple H isn't aware of 1314 01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:28.039 this guy. I don't think the whole stigma of TNA 1315 01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:31.559 thing is a huge issue here. I think if WWE 1316 01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:33.599 feels like they can make money with Joe, he'll be in. 1317 01:04:33.920 --> 01:04:36.199 But yeah, I mean he could easily follow the aj 1318 01:04:36.320 --> 01:04:38.239 styles path. I think Joe can do really well on 1319 01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:40.320 the indie scene for a while. He can work those 1320 01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:42.039 select dates and Ring of Honor if he wants to 1321 01:04:42.559 --> 01:04:45.239 and do just fine and work in the New Japan, 1322 01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:47.079 I would assume. I mean, I know they have a 1323 01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:49.679 pretty loaded roster, but I think they would probably make 1324 01:04:49.719 --> 01:04:51.440 an exception if they could get their hands on Joe. 1325 01:04:51.599 --> 01:04:55.000 So I'm just thrilled this is finally happening. The guy 1326 01:04:55.039 --> 01:04:57.639 had done everything there was to do in TNA, there 1327 01:04:57.719 --> 01:04:59.840 was nothing left for him, and it's just been it's 1328 01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:00.760 been like this now for. 1329 01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:04.320 What five years, just playing a back seat, you know, 1330 01:05:04.599 --> 01:05:07.960 MVP and the Beatdown Klan and just being, you know, 1331 01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:10.880 a guy just standing in the background. Joe is better 1332 01:05:11.000 --> 01:05:12.840 than that and worth more than that. But he had 1333 01:05:12.920 --> 01:05:16.599 done everything. I would love to see a motivated in 1334 01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:18.679 the shape of his life or the shape that he 1335 01:05:18.880 --> 01:05:20.559 the best shape he can be in at thirty six, 1336 01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:23.039 which is still pretty damn good. I mean, you know, 1337 01:05:23.119 --> 01:05:25.519 look at Tim Duncan, and you know I mean that, well, 1338 01:05:25.519 --> 01:05:27.199 I guess he's a bat etonecas he's pretty beat up. 1339 01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:29.920 But yeah, anyway, the TNA schedule has been good, better 1340 01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:31.880 to Joe than probably the NBA schedule that Tim can 1341 01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:34.480 as guy get in their late thirties as top level athletes. 1342 01:05:35.199 --> 01:05:37.760 But I think Joe is somebody who I still think 1343 01:05:37.800 --> 01:05:40.599 he's got guests in the tank to have great matches 1344 01:05:40.639 --> 01:05:44.519 with Dean Ambrose except Rollins, Sam Zane, Daniel Bryan of course, 1345 01:05:46.079 --> 01:05:50.119 and then Brock Lesner, John Cena, Randy Orton. I mean, 1346 01:05:50.760 --> 01:05:53.760 Joe's a guy who can be against the bigger heavyweight, 1347 01:05:53.840 --> 01:05:56.280 top tier guys, and he's a guy who can also 1348 01:05:57.159 --> 01:05:59.920 keep up with the guys who are more athletic too 1349 01:06:00.239 --> 01:06:02.960 and and key pace, which is why he was put 1350 01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:04.840 in the X division by TNA, and a move that 1351 01:06:04.920 --> 01:06:07.480 I never thought was smart or good, But I get 1352 01:06:07.519 --> 01:06:08.920 why they did it. They didn't want to take away 1353 01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:10.960 some dream matches with the X Division guys, but I 1354 01:06:11.000 --> 01:06:14.079 think it hurt Joe's, Joe Joe and the ex Division 1355 01:06:14.119 --> 01:06:16.360 by just breaking that whole weight barrier thing. So yeah, 1356 01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:18.039 I would love to see him in WWE. There's a 1357 01:06:18.119 --> 01:06:20.760 long list of matches that should happen, and I hope happened. 1358 01:06:21.039 --> 01:06:23.480 But that said Smoe Joe in New Japan that's not 1359 01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:25.760 a bad thing either, and there's some really fun matches 1360 01:06:26.039 --> 01:06:28.159 that could result from that. So I just hope he's 1361 01:06:28.199 --> 01:06:30.880 not retiring because I just sort of like with AJ, 1362 01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:33.679 and I think it was yesterday Bruce Mitchell talked about 1363 01:06:33.679 --> 01:06:38.199 this on the live cast. AJ's just had this. It's 1364 01:06:38.239 --> 01:06:42.239 a coming out party to the world. By leaving TNA 1365 01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:44.480 a little over a year ago and doing what he's 1366 01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:47.840 done in the last thirteen months, it's pretty awesome and 1367 01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:50.039 I'd love to see Joe have that kind of year. 1368 01:06:50.400 --> 01:06:52.159 And you know, Tena is gonna be fine without him, 1369 01:06:52.159 --> 01:06:53.880 you know, given their business set up, in the structure 1370 01:06:53.920 --> 01:06:55.719 that they have, and I think they had gotten what 1371 01:06:55.760 --> 01:06:58.599 they needed out of him. I don't think they're given 1372 01:06:58.679 --> 01:07:00.559 the way that they book and promote. I don't think 1373 01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:03.239 there was a lot that they're losing by losing Joe, 1374 01:07:03.559 --> 01:07:05.320 but I think it's gonna there's a lot to gain, 1375 01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:09.360 be it New Japan, Ring of Honor Or or WWE. 1376 01:07:09.440 --> 01:07:12.599 At this point, all right, let's mention that if you're 1377 01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:14.360 not a VIP member with p W Torch, you can 1378 01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:17.559 become one by going to PW torch dot com. Talk 1379 01:07:17.599 --> 01:07:20.920 about VIP on the live cast. Going forward, all right, 1380 01:07:21.079 --> 01:07:22.800 let's go back to the phone lines for the last 1381 01:07:22.880 --> 01:07:24.920 call or two of the program before we moved to 1382 01:07:24.960 --> 01:07:27.480 the VIP after show, and let's go to six six 1383 01:07:27.480 --> 01:07:29.480 to one. Next six six one, Please state your name 1384 01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:30.360 and where you're calling from. 1385 01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:35.199 A right, Jason, This is our Jason calling from Perth, Australia, 1386 01:07:35.280 --> 01:07:35.960 VI our pay member. 1387 01:07:36.920 --> 01:07:38.960 Jason. Thanks for Colin. So glad you called. I saw 1388 01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:40.519 you emailed and said you might be calling in today. 1389 01:07:41.760 --> 01:07:44.440 Yeah, not a problem light. I appreciate that, first of all. 1390 01:07:44.519 --> 01:07:44.679 Yeah. 1391 01:07:44.679 --> 01:07:47.199 I also a couple of hours a guy are right 1392 01:07:47.280 --> 01:07:50.800 on Twitter that I thought that Ryman, Ryans and Daniel 1393 01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:53.079 Brown were coming across a lot of two children who were, 1394 01:07:53.480 --> 01:07:55.559 you know, fighting for the big boys. Table with brock 1395 01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:59.039 Lesna and that might for some interesting discussion. Now, I'm 1396 01:07:59.039 --> 01:08:01.480 not sure if you've got talked about this auretic, so 1397 01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:04.239 I just joined the program, but I just wanted to 1398 01:08:04.280 --> 01:08:05.039 make a point. 1399 01:08:04.800 --> 01:08:08.280 In regards to you, Jason, it doesn't matter because we 1400 01:08:08.360 --> 01:08:10.239 just enjoy your accents. So even if you're repeating yourself, 1401 01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:10.639 it's fine. 1402 01:08:11.840 --> 01:08:13.000 Well I appreciate that, all. 1403 01:08:14.480 --> 01:08:14.599 Right. 1404 01:08:15.599 --> 01:08:17.960 Anyway, what I was going to say, what I was 1405 01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:20.039 going to say is in relation to that, A copped 1406 01:08:20.039 --> 01:08:22.079 a bit of feedback, like and the people were saying, oh, 1407 01:08:22.119 --> 01:08:24.640 you know, wrestling fans, they're all the lights of poke 1408 01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:28.439 holes or storylines and they can't enjoy themselves. You know, Look, 1409 01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:30.920 as far as I'm concerned with that, Like I mean, 1410 01:08:31.119 --> 01:08:33.600 of all times to sort of poke holes or storylines 1411 01:08:33.640 --> 01:08:36.560 to cast a critical eye, I mean, we're talking about WrestleMania. 1412 01:08:36.920 --> 01:08:39.800 We're also talking about wanting to make sure you have 1413 01:08:39.840 --> 01:08:42.960 as many subscribers as possible and that you'll portraying your 1414 01:08:43.119 --> 01:08:46.319 key babyface characters in the right way. And I just 1415 01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:48.840 think the ww have done a horrible job with their 1416 01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:51.640 presentation of babyfaces. And I think it's been like this 1417 01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:54.319 for a while and in relation to Roman Reigns and 1418 01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:57.439 Daniel Bryan, I mean, what I don't understand is that 1419 01:08:57.720 --> 01:09:00.119 why would you put them against one another leading to 1420 01:09:00.159 --> 01:09:03.680 WrestleMania where you're dividing the crowd and you're pointing out 1421 01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:07.760 unlikable traits in relation to them. See my whole thing 1422 01:09:07.800 --> 01:09:09.880 with sort of like Roman Rains and Daniel Brian has that. 1423 01:09:10.640 --> 01:09:12.439 I want to see Roman Rains as a kick oss 1424 01:09:12.520 --> 01:09:15.359 baby face if he's given a roadblock or if he's 1425 01:09:15.399 --> 01:09:17.680 given like saying, you know, okay, what you have to 1426 01:09:17.760 --> 01:09:19.439 do is you have to go past Daniel Bryan a 1427 01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:22.680 fast lane to qualify for WrestleMania, even though that is 1428 01:09:22.760 --> 01:09:25.640 technically unfair. What I would like to see is him 1429 01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:29.199 to say bring it on, yeah, you know. And in 1430 01:09:29.279 --> 01:09:33.279 relation to Daniel Bryan. In relation to Daniel Brian, he's 1431 01:09:33.279 --> 01:09:35.439 actually come across like a bit of an idiot because 1432 01:09:35.840 --> 01:09:38.880 he's entitled to a world title. He's entitled to a 1433 01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:42.720 world title match, not a number one contendership match. This 1434 01:09:42.800 --> 01:09:45.399 will be akin to the Seattle Seahawks getting screwed in 1435 01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:47.960 the Super Bowl then going to the NFL and saying 1436 01:09:48.439 --> 01:09:51.039 we want to rematch with the Green Bay Packers. Well, 1437 01:09:51.439 --> 01:09:54.560 past that step. You're past that step. You should be 1438 01:09:54.600 --> 01:09:57.720 going against brock Lesner. And people are saying, oh, Daniel 1439 01:09:57.720 --> 01:09:59.439 Bryn is showing a bit of an edge, But the 1440 01:09:59.600 --> 01:10:02.119 edge that I I've seen Daniel Brian show recently is 1441 01:10:02.199 --> 01:10:06.319 against baby faces. I saw more fire in him beating 1442 01:10:06.439 --> 01:10:10.159 up a poor Russo Russo last week on SmackDown than 1443 01:10:10.199 --> 01:10:12.760 what I've seen in getting revenge on Cain. I just 1444 01:10:12.840 --> 01:10:15.520 think the whole thing's all over the place, and what 1445 01:10:15.640 --> 01:10:18.960 I what I would like to see is that what 1446 01:10:19.039 --> 01:10:21.239 I'd like to see is Roman Rains actually take control 1447 01:10:21.279 --> 01:10:24.399 of the situation and after winning the raw rumbles say look, 1448 01:10:25.079 --> 01:10:27.600 I won the raw rumble, Daniel Brian, I'm going to 1449 01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:29.520 be a fighting champion. I'm not going to be like 1450 01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:31.600 brock Lester and pick and choose, so I'm going to face. 1451 01:10:32.039 --> 01:10:34.479 I'm going to be a fighting champion. You deserve a 1452 01:10:34.600 --> 01:10:38.399 title rematch the night after WrestleMania. And what they would 1453 01:10:38.399 --> 01:10:41.199 have done is actually would have made Daniel Brian fans 1454 01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:44.079 go for Roman Rains because it's like, well, if Roman 1455 01:10:44.159 --> 01:10:46.680 Raine speaks brock Lesner, then now man Daniel Brian gets 1456 01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:49.479 a title shot. Something to that effect, where Roman Rains 1457 01:10:49.520 --> 01:10:52.720 and Daniel Brian are taking control of a situation. Just 1458 01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:55.439 a couple of other points I wanted to raise Waite. 1459 01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:57.319 I thought it was really good in your hotline how 1460 01:10:57.359 --> 01:11:00.479 you talked about Triple H's promo against Sting and how 1461 01:11:00.560 --> 01:11:04.079 you mentioned he suddenly mentioned that he represents WWE and 1462 01:11:04.199 --> 01:11:07.800 Sting represents WCW. I mean, we all saw how that happened, 1463 01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:10.199 like about well fourteen years ago when they brought back 1464 01:11:10.239 --> 01:11:12.520 buff Bagwell and Boo could see and try to paint 1465 01:11:12.560 --> 01:11:15.520 them as baby faced with Shane McMahon. What I also 1466 01:11:15.680 --> 01:11:18.520 thought was pretty funny was that Rick Flair mentioned to 1467 01:11:18.600 --> 01:11:21.279 Triple H, you know, people ask me if you could 1468 01:11:21.279 --> 01:11:22.960 beat Daniel Brian. I said, you could beat him in 1469 01:11:23.039 --> 01:11:26.079 five minutes, but you know what, thirty minutes later, you didn't. 1470 01:11:26.479 --> 01:11:28.319 But he almost gave him the excuse that he was 1471 01:11:28.359 --> 01:11:30.439 a part time wrestler. And I just thought it was 1472 01:11:30.479 --> 01:11:32.880 funny that they were sort of planting that seed that 1473 01:11:33.039 --> 01:11:35.119 Rick Flair was saying that if Triple H wasn't a 1474 01:11:35.199 --> 01:11:37.880 part time wrestler, then he might have beaten Daniel Bryan 1475 01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:40.920 within that five minutes. And look, just just one further point, 1476 01:11:41.000 --> 01:11:44.399 because I know you enjoyed my accent In relation to NXT. 1477 01:11:45.359 --> 01:11:48.439 In relation to NXT, I agree with what Bruce said 1478 01:11:48.439 --> 01:11:51.840 on his Bruce Mitchell audio show. I like NXT, but 1479 01:11:51.920 --> 01:11:53.840 I think like the endgame is sort of getting a 1480 01:11:53.880 --> 01:11:56.640 bit mixed up because I thought the whole point behind 1481 01:11:56.800 --> 01:11:59.960 NXT was to develop superstars so you could bring him 1482 01:12:00.119 --> 01:12:02.479 up to the main roster as soon as possible. So 1483 01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:05.479 then you have a unique selling point for the announcers 1484 01:12:05.520 --> 01:12:08.600 that can say make sure you tune into the WWE 1485 01:12:08.720 --> 01:12:11.079 network on the pay per views because it's the only 1486 01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:13.520 place where you get to see the superstars of Raw 1487 01:12:13.680 --> 01:12:16.520 and SmackDown on the same show. And what I mean 1488 01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:18.119 by that is I'm a big fan of the brand 1489 01:12:18.159 --> 01:12:20.920 split because it gives you a unique selling point for 1490 01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:23.800 the network. Now you look at guys like Luke Harper 1491 01:12:23.960 --> 01:12:28.600 Ambrose and Wade Barrett and say Adolph Siegler. To me, 1492 01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:30.920 that would be perfect to stand out performers on a 1493 01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:34.640 SmackDown show. Now you Sprinkleen, say Kevin Owen's a Sammy 1494 01:12:34.720 --> 01:12:38.800 Zaying and even what is it like Atami or Fim Baylor. 1495 01:12:39.039 --> 01:12:41.479 There's about eight guys that you can build a brand around. 1496 01:12:41.760 --> 01:12:44.560 But you also have that unique selling point where they're 1497 01:12:44.600 --> 01:12:47.920 exclusive to SmackDown and people if they miss SmackDown, at 1498 01:12:48.039 --> 01:12:51.039 least they've got the network in order to watch the 1499 01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:54.239 feature SmackDown Stars. So that's what I'm a big fan 1500 01:12:54.279 --> 01:12:56.079 of the brand split because it gives you that unique 1501 01:12:56.079 --> 01:12:58.079 selling point for the network, which is what they need. 1502 01:13:00.560 --> 01:13:04.479 Thank you you put it very well accent as a bonus, 1503 01:13:04.600 --> 01:13:07.439 but some really good points I want to get Jason 1504 01:13:07.520 --> 01:13:11.680 Powell of prosing dott Net his thoughts on that. Jason Powell, 1505 01:13:11.680 --> 01:13:15.000 I just think Jason from Perth, Australia made added to 1506 01:13:15.159 --> 01:13:17.720 what we had talked about earlier and made a strong 1507 01:13:17.840 --> 01:13:20.600 case for how Brian and Rains kind of a main 1508 01:13:20.640 --> 01:13:24.119 topic of today's show, have been somewhat damaged. It may 1509 01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:26.399 not be crippling, but I think Jason made some really 1510 01:13:26.399 --> 01:13:29.159 good points about that as his first major topic that 1511 01:13:29.439 --> 01:13:30.039 he discussed. 1512 01:13:30.560 --> 01:13:32.880 Yeah, well said absolutely yeah. 1513 01:13:33.119 --> 01:13:35.680 And anything to add to what he said about NXT 1514 01:13:35.880 --> 01:13:38.239 and the SmackDown Raw brand split. 1515 01:13:38.880 --> 01:13:40.680 I don't think they have the debt board. I don't. 1516 01:13:40.680 --> 01:13:42.079 I mean, if you could call up the guys from 1517 01:13:42.199 --> 01:13:46.079 NXT and maybe, but I kind of get the feeling 1518 01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:48.840 like they're taking their time with some of these guys, 1519 01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:51.720 maybe more time than they need to. But is that 1520 01:13:51.880 --> 01:13:53.920 because they want to do more with the NXT brand 1521 01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:56.039 by taking it on the road. Are some guys going 1522 01:13:56.079 --> 01:13:57.680 to be kept down longer than they would be if 1523 01:13:57.960 --> 01:14:01.439 it would not were not for That's not sure, But 1524 01:14:01.760 --> 01:14:04.600 I don't think they have the depth to People point 1525 01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:07.039 to that one episode of Raw where we got more 1526 01:14:07.039 --> 01:14:09.640 wrestling and it was a good show, but when they 1527 01:14:09.680 --> 01:14:12.359 were you had a split crew, but it was one night. 1528 01:14:12.560 --> 01:14:14.720 You know, Raw's is a tough one to get through 1529 01:14:14.720 --> 01:14:16.840 when it's three hours, as it is with all these people. 1530 01:14:17.920 --> 01:14:19.439 The counter to that is, look at what they did 1531 01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:21.479 with SmackDown last week when they had a smaller crew 1532 01:14:21.520 --> 01:14:24.319 and it wasn't very compelling. I just don't have faith 1533 01:14:24.359 --> 01:14:25.920 in them being able to do They didn't do it 1534 01:14:26.039 --> 01:14:27.880 right the first time when they had an even deeper roster. 1535 01:14:28.039 --> 01:14:29.760 I don't have faith in them to do it right now. 1536 01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:33.039 Yeah, And that's the issue is having faith that they 1537 01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:34.479 would do it the right way, because I do think 1538 01:14:34.560 --> 01:14:37.479 that if they put somebody in the main events of 1539 01:14:37.600 --> 01:14:41.560 SmackDown who can cut promos and can wrestle, whether it's 1540 01:14:42.159 --> 01:14:45.199 Seamus or Wade, Barrett or you know, pick a guy 1541 01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:49.039 who has that borderline top tier potential and you just 1542 01:14:49.079 --> 01:14:52.560 start treating him like he is, like they did with Edge, 1543 01:14:52.760 --> 01:14:54.840 or like they did with Eddie Guerrero or JBL during 1544 01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:58.439 the brand split. You treat the top SmackDown guy as 1545 01:14:58.520 --> 01:15:02.560 a top guy and you position him that way. I 1546 01:15:02.600 --> 01:15:04.880 think you can end up having enough depth. It's the 1547 01:15:05.079 --> 01:15:08.279 faith that Vince McMahon has the patience to put that 1548 01:15:08.399 --> 01:15:11.840 kind of mental effort into producing somebody in a way 1549 01:15:12.680 --> 01:15:15.439 that that portrays them as a top star. That's what 1550 01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:19.039 I don't have faith it. I just I really doubt 1551 01:15:19.319 --> 01:15:21.800 whether Vince McMahon would look at SmackDown after he gets 1552 01:15:21.840 --> 01:15:24.359 done with a live Raw that's the mothership, that's the 1553 01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:27.439 main show, and being able to with a straight with 1554 01:15:28.039 --> 01:15:32.520 a straight face, genuinely push guys that he doesn't think 1555 01:15:32.520 --> 01:15:34.239 our paper mamain inventors to the very top. I think 1556 01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:36.439 SmackDown would draw very good ratings with a fresh crew 1557 01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:39.159 of talent that didn't get overexposed on Raw if it 1558 01:15:39.239 --> 01:15:41.039 wasn't just Rains and Brian and Big Show and Kane 1559 01:15:41.479 --> 01:15:44.119 and you know the usual suspects that we see on 1560 01:15:44.199 --> 01:15:46.600 both shows. And I think you could freshen that up 1561 01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:48.359 with some NXT guys. I think it could be done. 1562 01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:50.720 I kind of could imagine it being done well, but 1563 01:15:50.840 --> 01:15:52.640 I can't imagine Vince wic Mann doing it well. And 1564 01:15:52.720 --> 01:15:56.159 I think that is pretty much you're saying, Jason is 1565 01:15:56.520 --> 01:15:59.239 even if you can imagine it being done well, you 1566 01:15:59.319 --> 01:16:01.720 can't imagine it's McMahon actually doing it well. 1567 01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:04.760 No, No, I mean the one out here would be 1568 01:16:04.800 --> 01:16:06.800 all right, we're going to turn it over different vision 1569 01:16:06.840 --> 01:16:09.880 for SmackDown, whether it's Triple H, Ryan Ward just you know, 1570 01:16:09.960 --> 01:16:13.760 other writers take control of SmackDown legitimately. Okay, we can talk, 1571 01:16:13.920 --> 01:16:16.039 but I just I don't have faith in him. Even 1572 01:16:16.119 --> 01:16:18.479 it's maybe like one of those meetings they had about 1573 01:16:18.520 --> 01:16:21.399 SmackDown where he talks a good game, but when push 1574 01:16:21.439 --> 01:16:23.399 comes to shove, Vince McMahon won't be able to keep 1575 01:16:23.439 --> 01:16:24.039 his hands off it. 1576 01:16:24.800 --> 01:16:26.920 Yeah, yeah, all right, very good. We're gonna shift to 1577 01:16:26.920 --> 01:16:29.520 the VIP after show now we right about the ninety 1578 01:16:29.560 --> 01:16:31.640 minute mark here of the program. Don't forget you can 1579 01:16:31.680 --> 01:16:34.279 go VIP and not hear our ad. That will do 1580 01:16:34.399 --> 01:16:36.560 it for me for today. So big thanks to Jason Powell, 1581 01:16:36.680 --> 01:16:38.319 who I'll be talking to on the other side of 1582 01:16:38.359 --> 01:16:40.720 the music as dot net members and VIP members can 1583 01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:44.520 hear us answer email topics and discuss some stuff that 1584 01:16:44.560 --> 01:16:47.039 we haven't gotten to yet, including some Expanta thoughts on 1585 01:16:47.279 --> 01:16:50.600 Rick Flair and his appearance. And another topic that Jason 1586 01:16:50.640 --> 01:16:53.119 for Perth Australia brought up and that I talked about 1587 01:16:53.159 --> 01:16:56.000 on the Waight Keller hotline last night. Is Triple H 1588 01:16:56.159 --> 01:16:59.159 angling to get cheered at WrestleMania? Is he being sly 1589 01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:03.800 in devious and actually setting things up for him to 1590 01:17:03.880 --> 01:17:07.159 go shrug his shoulders and go, well, I don't know 1591 01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:09.479 what to say. I guess the crowd liked me, when 1592 01:17:09.520 --> 01:17:11.880 in reality he's planning the seeds right now to sabotage 1593 01:17:11.920 --> 01:17:14.760 things baby Face pop at Mania. It's conspiracy theory. There's 1594 01:17:14.840 --> 01:17:17.279 not a lot of evidence yet directly, but there's a 1595 01:17:17.319 --> 01:17:18.960 whole history to draw from, and I'll talk about the 1596 01:17:19.039 --> 01:17:21.840 evidence and why I'm kind of pulling from history and 1597 01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:25.680 wondering if that's not something that Triple H is deviously 1598 01:17:25.800 --> 01:17:29.199 trying to get away, to get away with by positioning 1599 01:17:29.279 --> 01:17:33.479 this as a wwwwe battle rather than a heal Babyface battle. 1600 01:17:33.960 --> 01:17:35.359 So all that and more coming up in the VIP 1601 01:17:35.439 --> 01:17:37.520 after show. Thank you everybody for your support. 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If there's anything else 1622 01:18:47.039 --> 01:18:48.479 going on in pro wrestling that you want us to 1623 01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:51.920 address on our main podcast during our mailbank segments, that 1624 01:18:52.039 --> 01:18:55.720 same email applies Wadekeller Podcast at pwtorch dot com. We 1625 01:18:55.840 --> 01:18:58.359 invite that interaction. Let us know what you think of 1626 01:18:58.439 --> 01:19:00.800 what we're saying, and lets us know what you want 1627 01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:03.520 us to talk about and ask us specific questions. Wade 1628 01:19:03.560 --> 01:19:13.520 Keller Podcast at PW torch dot com. All right, we're 1629 01:19:13.560 --> 01:19:17.399 now in the VIP after show portion of the program. Jason, 1630 01:19:17.399 --> 01:19:19.079 I want to start off with what I ended with 1631 01:19:19.199 --> 01:19:21.279 a little teaser about Triple H. Did you get the 1632 01:19:21.359 --> 01:19:23.960 sense that Triple H is being a little sneaky or 1633 01:19:24.000 --> 01:19:26.479 if you did last night, am I planting that seed 1634 01:19:26.520 --> 01:19:29.199 that maybe Triple H just trying to get that WWE 1635 01:19:29.319 --> 01:19:33.079 loyal WrestleMania crowd to maybe at least in great percentage 1636 01:19:33.159 --> 01:19:35.119 cheer for him against that WCW guy. 1637 01:19:35.800 --> 01:19:38.039 I don't know why you would care. I mean, let's 1638 01:19:38.039 --> 01:19:41.119 see where it goes. Is this. I don't know how 1639 01:19:41.199 --> 01:19:43.479 they would do it, but I mean, Lord knows, the 1640 01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:46.479 authority has played out. Were everyone's tired of it. It's 1641 01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:49.920 just they've done what they can do. Is this somehow 1642 01:19:50.000 --> 01:19:53.560 when all is said and done, does he ultimately gain 1643 01:19:53.640 --> 01:19:56.239 some respect for staying and become a babyface after all this? 1644 01:19:56.359 --> 01:19:58.560 So I mean, I'm just leaving that door open that 1645 01:19:58.720 --> 01:20:02.159 maybe that's by design because he sooner rather than later, 1646 01:20:02.239 --> 01:20:04.239 will be a baby face, not going into Mania, but 1647 01:20:04.319 --> 01:20:05.000 maybe coming out. 1648 01:20:05.680 --> 01:20:07.720 I would love that because I think I'd like to 1649 01:20:07.720 --> 01:20:10.439 see a baby face authority figure appear every once in 1650 01:20:10.479 --> 01:20:12.319 a while like Rigal l NXT and not be a 1651 01:20:12.399 --> 01:20:16.439 dominant heel. That would be nice. I just wouldn't be 1652 01:20:16.479 --> 01:20:20.000 surprised if Hunter, being a WWE loyalist, who by the way, 1653 01:20:20.039 --> 01:20:23.960 did jump from ww to WWE once, But if I 1654 01:20:24.000 --> 01:20:27.960 would be in I would It wouldn't shock me if that. 1655 01:20:28.279 --> 01:20:32.720 He isn't trying to do it under the radar so 1656 01:20:32.920 --> 01:20:36.640 it's not obvious, but shrug his shoulders after the match, 1657 01:20:36.720 --> 01:20:39.600 going huh, I guess the fans love me, you know, 1658 01:20:39.640 --> 01:20:42.199 because they cheer for Hima says say Sting's gonna have cheers. 1659 01:20:42.520 --> 01:20:45.840 But I just I just think the way Triple H operates, 1660 01:20:46.079 --> 01:20:48.239 he would get a kick out of out smarting everybody 1661 01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:52.359 and acting like he's just setting up the match to 1662 01:20:52.439 --> 01:20:55.760 sell it. It's wwa'st WWE and you know, being a heel, 1663 01:20:56.279 --> 01:20:59.119 but really planning that seed for fans to go. Man, 1664 01:20:59.199 --> 01:21:01.920 do I want to cheer a WW guy? Given how 1665 01:21:02.279 --> 01:21:06.039 Triple H talks about how other than his family, WWE's 1666 01:21:06.039 --> 01:21:07.760 most important thing in the world to him, and they 1667 01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:13.039 WWE makes money marketing their brand, the marketing brand loyalty. 1668 01:21:13.399 --> 01:21:15.560 They want people to be fans, not of wrestlers. This 1669 01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:17.520 is a mid card era, as Bruce Mitchell calls it. 1670 01:21:18.560 --> 01:21:23.199 It's about relatively interchangeable wrestlers who work for this magnificent 1671 01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:26.920 brand by the McMahon family, and I just encounters tapping 1672 01:21:27.000 --> 01:21:29.319 into that a little bit right here. Now. Maybe he 1673 01:21:29.359 --> 01:21:31.600 can't help himself and it's not a plot, but I 1674 01:21:31.680 --> 01:21:33.479 think that could end up being a side effect, even 1675 01:21:33.479 --> 01:21:36.000 if he's not being devious, that some fans are going 1676 01:21:36.079 --> 01:21:38.760 to see this as oh, I have to pick sides 1677 01:21:38.880 --> 01:21:41.439 WWE or WW and Hunter loves this brand as much 1678 01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:43.600 as anybody and sting as a Johnny come Lately. I 1679 01:21:44.079 --> 01:21:46.439 don't know. Again, it's a conspiracy theory, admit to it. 1680 01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:49.359 Very little evidence in this case other than last night's promo. 1681 01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:52.000 But when you look at the history of Hunter and 1682 01:21:52.319 --> 01:21:54.760 things that he has either done or his friends have done, 1683 01:21:54.920 --> 01:21:56.880 or things that he tends to admire, and just knowing 1684 01:21:56.960 --> 01:21:59.600 his kind of personality and the way he works, I 1685 01:21:59.640 --> 01:22:00.199 could say it. 1686 01:22:01.359 --> 01:22:03.720 Are there other examples of times when you feel like 1687 01:22:03.800 --> 01:22:05.760 he's gone for the babyface reaction? 1688 01:22:06.479 --> 01:22:13.479 I think historically Triple h Is comes from a group 1689 01:22:13.560 --> 01:22:16.760 of people who like to be the smartest people in 1690 01:22:16.840 --> 01:22:19.239 the room and like to outsmart people. I think if 1691 01:22:19.279 --> 01:22:21.920 you look even at the authority and the things that 1692 01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:25.319 they said about Roman Reigns and how haha, he didn't 1693 01:22:25.319 --> 01:22:28.439 have to do this again, that's Hunter. It's not so 1694 01:22:28.560 --> 01:22:30.640 much saying I'm going for the baby face pop, but 1695 01:22:31.159 --> 01:22:33.239 I'm the smartest guy in the room and I should 1696 01:22:33.279 --> 01:22:35.800 just be cheered on principle because I'm that good. And 1697 01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:38.239 have Ric Flair come out, just again, going to last night, 1698 01:22:38.279 --> 01:22:41.000 have Rick Flair come out and endorse him. I thought 1699 01:22:41.000 --> 01:22:43.000 it was good. I thought, and this is worth exploring 1700 01:22:43.039 --> 01:22:46.039 a little more to what Jason from Perth said that 1701 01:22:46.960 --> 01:22:51.000 Rick Flair really I thought demean Daniel Bryan in a 1702 01:22:51.039 --> 01:22:53.279 way that was completely unnecessary and if that was scripted. 1703 01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:55.960 It goes to what I'm saying that Hunter, when he's 1704 01:22:56.079 --> 01:22:58.640 involved in a program, can't help but put himself over 1705 01:22:58.720 --> 01:23:01.680 at the expense of others when he's involved. When he's 1706 01:23:01.720 --> 01:23:03.520 not involved, he seems to have really good mind for things, 1707 01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:05.880 but when he is involved, it's like he can't help himself. 1708 01:23:06.159 --> 01:23:08.119 And that was another example. I don't think that line 1709 01:23:08.119 --> 01:23:10.479 should have been there with Rick Flair. Who didn't Rick 1710 01:23:10.520 --> 01:23:12.319 Flair pick Daniel Briand to win the rumble Jason in 1711 01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:12.880 the pre show. 1712 01:23:13.319 --> 01:23:16.760 He did, and you know what I've heard, Flair, like 1713 01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:20.239 a lot of the vets, didn't quite grasp the Daniel 1714 01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:23.159 Brian phenomenon. I guess people have said of all people, 1715 01:23:23.560 --> 01:23:26.720 they thought Rick Flair would have understood, but for some reason, 1716 01:23:27.279 --> 01:23:29.239 I don't know if it's from hanging around Hunter or whatnot, 1717 01:23:29.279 --> 01:23:30.960 but he just kind of looked down on the hole 1718 01:23:31.079 --> 01:23:32.359 Daniel Bryan Graze. 1719 01:23:32.159 --> 01:23:34.439 Which is crazy because Daniel Bryan and Rick Steamboat standing 1720 01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:37.680 next to each other are about the same, you know. 1721 01:23:37.880 --> 01:23:39.880 I mean, it's just not a different it's just they're 1722 01:23:39.960 --> 01:23:42.079 in the same size category. Steamboat was always a little 1723 01:23:42.079 --> 01:23:45.239 smaller than Flair, and I would just think that you know, 1724 01:23:45.720 --> 01:23:48.279 not that Daniel Brian's like milk toast, But if you're 1725 01:23:48.319 --> 01:23:52.000 to draw a comparison between Babyface, a Babyface who Rick 1726 01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:55.000 Flair feuded with and had great matches with, the personality 1727 01:23:55.039 --> 01:23:57.960 of Steamboat is pretty si. I think there's not a 1728 01:23:58.039 --> 01:24:02.760 better comparison than Steamboat Daniel Bryan in terms of just smiling, affable, 1729 01:24:03.000 --> 01:24:07.000 stand up for what's right type characters at who are 1730 01:24:07.039 --> 01:24:09.880 great athletes. And I would think that Flair would understand 1731 01:24:09.920 --> 01:24:12.000 it because of that, But you're right, a lot of 1732 01:24:12.119 --> 01:24:15.039 veterans were slow to come around. Even Steve Austin is 1733 01:24:15.159 --> 01:24:17.000 more in Daniel Bryan's camp now than he was a 1734 01:24:17.079 --> 01:24:17.399 year ago. 1735 01:24:18.640 --> 01:24:21.760 I mean, the Flair thing just baffles me because that 1736 01:24:22.199 --> 01:24:25.479 strikes me as like a dream match. You would think 1737 01:24:25.560 --> 01:24:28.159 Flair would see it from that perspective too, Like man, 1738 01:24:28.199 --> 01:24:31.000 if I was just you know, well in his mind today, 1739 01:24:31.119 --> 01:24:33.640 but if he was twenty years younger, Imagine the money 1740 01:24:33.720 --> 01:24:36.760 these two could make together. That one really surprised me. 1741 01:24:37.319 --> 01:24:39.560 Some of the whole Kogan types, the guy that got 1742 01:24:39.600 --> 01:24:41.000 by on you know, the guys that got by on 1743 01:24:41.039 --> 01:24:44.000 their physiques. I understood that I didn't really grasp it 1744 01:24:44.119 --> 01:24:44.840 coming from Flair. 1745 01:24:45.520 --> 01:24:48.159 I know, I know, but Flair's it's weird, you know. 1746 01:24:48.720 --> 01:24:51.880 I think guys who are of average height in wrestling, 1747 01:24:52.279 --> 01:24:55.119 or whatever height you are, it's almost anybody shorter than 1748 01:24:55.159 --> 01:24:56.680 you doesn't belong to the main events. But you're the 1749 01:24:56.720 --> 01:24:57.279 perfect type. 1750 01:24:57.600 --> 01:24:57.800 You know. 1751 01:24:58.079 --> 01:24:59.920 Anybody you're height or taller can be a main event, 1752 01:25:00.359 --> 01:25:02.560 but anybody shorter can't. I would say, short of being 1753 01:25:02.600 --> 01:25:04.319 six ft. You know, if you're above six foot four, 1754 01:25:04.600 --> 01:25:06.479 you understand you got to fight people who at six two, 1755 01:25:06.520 --> 01:25:08.920 six one sixty three. But if you're you know, if 1756 01:25:08.960 --> 01:25:11.000 you're five ten to be a main eventeror you should 1757 01:25:11.000 --> 01:25:12.720 be five ten or taller. If you're six to one, 1758 01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:14.039 you should be six to one or taller to be 1759 01:25:14.079 --> 01:25:15.720 a Maine venor. It just seems like that's kind of 1760 01:25:15.760 --> 01:25:18.000 the wrestler attitude. So I don't know. If I'm a 1761 01:25:18.039 --> 01:25:19.840 main e venor, I'd want to fight face guys who 1762 01:25:19.840 --> 01:25:21.319 are smaller than me to make me look bigger. But 1763 01:25:21.720 --> 01:25:23.239 it does seem to be kind of a weird, a 1764 01:25:23.279 --> 01:25:24.760 weird hang up that they have did. Did you think 1765 01:25:24.800 --> 01:25:27.239 that was one of Flair's better performances Jason last night? 1766 01:25:27.479 --> 01:25:30.079 Not necessarily his best, but one of his better performances 1767 01:25:30.119 --> 01:25:31.119 in the last three four years. 1768 01:25:31.359 --> 01:25:33.439 Yes, because Triple Ah kept cutting him off. You know, 1769 01:25:33.760 --> 01:25:36.359 t was very much in control of that, and I 1770 01:25:36.479 --> 01:25:39.800 think he I think some of it was his character 1771 01:25:40.239 --> 01:25:42.319 cutting off Lair, and I think other times he was 1772 01:25:42.399 --> 01:25:45.239 really keeping the Lair on point and making sure everything 1773 01:25:45.279 --> 01:25:46.840 went in the direction he wanted it to go. 1774 01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:51.920 Yeah, I think that's true because Flair, Roddy Piper, there 1775 01:25:52.000 --> 01:25:54.399 are guys who aren't used to the scripting and aren't 1776 01:25:54.439 --> 01:25:56.720 used to the long format interviews. You know, that's not 1777 01:25:56.760 --> 01:25:58.319 something Flair did a lot of stand in the ring 1778 01:25:58.399 --> 01:26:01.000 with a microphone and cut along prole or go back 1779 01:26:01.039 --> 01:26:03.119 and forth in conversations. You know, Flair was used to 1780 01:26:03.159 --> 01:26:05.520 someone holds the mic, he cuts a promo, he gets 1781 01:26:05.560 --> 01:26:08.119 asked to follow up question, he cuts another promo, and 1782 01:26:08.239 --> 01:26:10.399 then it's over. So some of these old some of 1783 01:26:10.439 --> 01:26:12.640 these guys like Piper and Flair, as they get older, 1784 01:26:13.159 --> 01:26:16.600 they have had trouble with the longer format, remembering their 1785 01:26:16.640 --> 01:26:19.239 lines and staying on on Q and so, you know, 1786 01:26:19.520 --> 01:26:21.399 I think that Hunter when he's in there with Flair, 1787 01:26:22.079 --> 01:26:24.479 is kind of like a parent mouthing the words along 1788 01:26:24.920 --> 01:26:27.560 as their child. You know, performs a play like, Oh, 1789 01:26:27.600 --> 01:26:29.279 I hope she hears your remembers the lines. I hope 1790 01:26:29.319 --> 01:26:31.279 she remembers the lines and all of that. Sometimes you 1791 01:26:31.399 --> 01:26:33.199 get that feeling when Hunter and Steph are in the 1792 01:26:33.239 --> 01:26:35.600 ring because they have such a big part in putting 1793 01:26:35.640 --> 01:26:38.439 the stuff together. But I thought Hunter, yeah, I think 1794 01:26:38.600 --> 01:26:42.199 Kunter helped the segment, but Flair gets co credit. I 1795 01:26:42.239 --> 01:26:44.560 thought Flair brought it. I thought he did his best 1796 01:26:44.600 --> 01:26:48.279 to stay disciplined and made his points. I thought Hunter 1797 01:26:48.680 --> 01:26:51.319 made the more humble comment that I'm used to out 1798 01:26:51.319 --> 01:26:53.720 of his character, especially when he's playing a heel on TV, 1799 01:26:54.199 --> 01:26:57.640 which is I've told people that Rick, you know, Rick 1800 01:26:57.680 --> 01:27:00.119 Flair is the best ever, something along those lines, and 1801 01:27:00.359 --> 01:27:03.319 usually Hunter accepts compliments from Flair that he's the best 1802 01:27:03.359 --> 01:27:06.359 ever without going no, no, come on, Rick, you're the best. 1803 01:27:06.720 --> 01:27:09.479 Normally we don't get that courtesy response from Hunter, but 1804 01:27:09.600 --> 01:27:12.119 we got it last night, and I thought that was nice, 1805 01:27:12.319 --> 01:27:15.399 a nice gesture on Hunter's part, and it does maybe 1806 01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:17.680 play into what you're saying, Jason, maybe there is a 1807 01:27:17.760 --> 01:27:21.319 potential Babyface turn coming and Hunter's trying to become the 1808 01:27:21.560 --> 01:27:26.239 WWE guy who loves the brand WWE and play into 1809 01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:30.840 what the whole portrayal he has of being the father 1810 01:27:30.920 --> 01:27:32.039 figure over NXT. 1811 01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:35.600 I hope so that that character is valuable to w W. 1812 01:27:36.279 --> 01:27:40.039 The character he plays now just dominates, you know, he 1813 01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:43.760 and Sephanie the heels that they represent our henchman for them. 1814 01:27:43.920 --> 01:27:46.079 Seth Rollins is like the only guy who's been kind 1815 01:27:46.079 --> 01:27:48.600 of immune to it so far, but everyone else they've 1816 01:27:48.640 --> 01:27:50.720 been aligned with has ended up in that same just 1817 01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:52.720 kind of casts the same way. I mean, Big Show 1818 01:27:52.760 --> 01:27:55.159 and Kane are just worthless. And not that they had 1819 01:27:55.199 --> 01:27:59.319 a lot of value coming into this, but it's diminished greatly. 1820 01:27:59.399 --> 01:28:01.399 I Mean, I just cringe now when I see those 1821 01:28:01.399 --> 01:28:03.520 guys pop up on my television, and I hate to 1822 01:28:03.560 --> 01:28:07.039 feel that way, but it's it's the booking. It's also 1823 01:28:07.279 --> 01:28:10.000 just the fact that their underlings to Timpany and Hunter, 1824 01:28:10.399 --> 01:28:11.880 and then the fact that they you know, all the 1825 01:28:12.159 --> 01:28:15.279 Roman ranges are dope, that they easily manipulated Daniel Bryant's 1826 01:28:15.319 --> 01:28:17.159 adope because he could have had his title match that 1827 01:28:17.239 --> 01:28:19.119 he just asked for and said he entered the rumble, 1828 01:28:19.359 --> 01:28:21.680 and it's all those things. It's just eat over and 1829 01:28:21.800 --> 01:28:24.319 over again. They're the smartest people and all these wrestlers 1830 01:28:24.359 --> 01:28:25.800 are just stupid, yep. 1831 01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:28.840 And that's why I just really look forward to the 1832 01:28:28.920 --> 01:28:31.760 days that they're showing up heels instead of baby faces 1833 01:28:31.800 --> 01:28:33.760 in that same way, because it just seems like they 1834 01:28:33.760 --> 01:28:36.680 can't help themselves, and it's they see it as very 1835 01:28:36.680 --> 01:28:38.960 important for them to be the you know, the dominant, 1836 01:28:39.000 --> 01:28:41.800 smartest personalities in the play. 1837 01:28:46.279 --> 01:28:49.800 I'm Chris Maitland and I'm Justin McClelland we host Wrestling 1838 01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:52.119 Coast to Coast, where we scour the wrestling scene to 1839 01:28:52.159 --> 01:28:54.119 find the best wrestling from the smallest places. 1840 01:28:54.439 --> 01:28:57.279 There are thousands of matches happening every week, so Wrestling 1841 01:28:57.319 --> 01:28:59.479 Coast to Coast is here to discover the men and 1842 01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:01.880 women who could be big time stars in a few years. 1843 01:29:02.239 --> 01:29:05.000 There are plenty of podcasts devoted to ww and AW, 1844 01:29:05.359 --> 01:29:08.279 but what's happening in the armories and gymnasium's local wrestling 1845 01:29:08.319 --> 01:29:09.560 hotspots around the country. 1846 01:29:09.920 --> 01:29:11.800 We can't wait to help you find the true hidden 1847 01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:14.039 gems of the wrestling world. Plus, you can hear Chris 1848 01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:16.119 complain about bad referees. 1849 01:29:15.960 --> 01:29:17.880 And Justin bemoaning dogpoal fins. 1850 01:29:18.039 --> 01:29:20.479 Don't forget my fetal search to see a blue thunderbomb 1851 01:29:20.520 --> 01:29:21.039 win a match. 1852 01:29:21.479 --> 01:29:22.560 How can I like? 1853 01:29:22.640 --> 01:29:25.239 The name says we cover the hottest independent promotions from 1854 01:29:25.279 --> 01:29:29.359 around the country, such as Prestige Action, West Coast Pro, Revolver, 1855 01:29:29.720 --> 01:29:30.640 and Beyond Wrestling. 1856 01:29:30.960 --> 01:29:33.720 Actually, Chris, I think we stick pretty much to wrestling. 1857 01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:35.840 No, I mean Beyond Wrestling out of Wooster, Oh right. 1858 01:29:36.079 --> 01:29:38.600 Our show's part of the PW Torch Daily Cast lineup 1859 01:29:38.640 --> 01:29:41.640 and typically drops on Thursdays. Search PW Torch in your 1860 01:29:41.720 --> 01:29:45.079 podcast app, as subscribed to the PW Torch Dailycast, or 1861 01:29:45.399 --> 01:29:48.600 stream our shows directly from PW touch dot com. Find 1862 01:29:48.680 --> 01:29:53.279 full details on the PW Torschdailycast lineup at pwtrschdailycast dot com. 1863 01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:02.239 I know it's almost a week ago now, Jason, but 1864 01:30:02.359 --> 01:30:05.079 the Triple H NXT conference call, was there anything about 1865 01:30:05.079 --> 01:30:08.039 that that jumped out to you? And in terms of 1866 01:30:08.119 --> 01:30:11.239 then how the NXT special played out when you're watching 1867 01:30:11.479 --> 01:30:13.920 NXT Takeover, was there anything that Triple H said in 1868 01:30:13.960 --> 01:30:16.239 the conference call that that you thought, Okay, this is 1869 01:30:16.279 --> 01:30:19.479 what Hunter kind of thought would happen, or this this 1870 01:30:19.760 --> 01:30:21.520 in tandem with what Hunter said, makes me look at 1871 01:30:21.520 --> 01:30:22.840 what they're doing differently on the special. 1872 01:30:23.399 --> 01:30:25.399 Gosh, you know, nothing's jumping out of him. Is there 1873 01:30:25.439 --> 01:30:26.600 something specific you're thinking of? 1874 01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:29.119 Oh no, totally just throwing it out there, trying to 1875 01:30:29.119 --> 01:30:30.560 get NXT into the discussion. 1876 01:30:30.640 --> 01:30:34.039 So yeah, I mean it's I you know, I asked 1877 01:30:34.119 --> 01:30:36.479 him about it, Tommy, and he just wants him to 1878 01:30:36.600 --> 01:30:40.439 let loose basically. And I don't think we saw kent 1879 01:30:40.600 --> 01:30:42.800 to but I think we saw a better version of 1880 01:30:42.840 --> 01:30:45.399 a Tommy this time around than usual, So I mean 1881 01:30:45.479 --> 01:30:49.840 progress was made there. He One of the things he emphasizes, 1882 01:30:50.079 --> 01:30:51.199 I don't know how much he did it in this 1883 01:30:51.319 --> 01:30:53.960 conference call is that it's a training ground for everyone. 1884 01:30:54.039 --> 01:30:56.279 And I thought that really came through with the broadcast team, 1885 01:30:56.399 --> 01:30:58.439 because I didn't think they had a fine night. And 1886 01:30:59.079 --> 01:31:01.159 I like Rich Brent and I think he has a future. 1887 01:31:01.640 --> 01:31:04.640 But I just thought some of the main event call 1888 01:31:04.840 --> 01:31:06.920 was off. There was just different points during the show 1889 01:31:06.920 --> 01:31:10.399 where I found myself wishing it was another. 1890 01:31:10.159 --> 01:31:13.439 Broadcast name Yeah, and I would have to go back 1891 01:31:13.479 --> 01:31:13.920 and rewatch it. 1892 01:31:13.960 --> 01:31:14.039 Now. 1893 01:31:14.079 --> 01:31:16.640 I've heard that from enough people that I gave them 1894 01:31:16.640 --> 01:31:18.640 more of a pass than I probably should have. I've 1895 01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:21.319 been in general, I've been a fan of Corey Graves. 1896 01:31:21.640 --> 01:31:27.079 I think that too, he's really showing a comfort level 1897 01:31:27.199 --> 01:31:30.319 on the microphone, and he's that mix of confident and 1898 01:31:30.439 --> 01:31:39.880 conversational and likable but legible to put it to you 1899 01:31:39.960 --> 01:31:42.039 can understand what he's saying and why he's saying it, 1900 01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:44.760 and he does soon in a conversation a likable way. 1901 01:31:45.319 --> 01:31:47.199 I just think he has a chance to be really good, 1902 01:31:47.239 --> 01:31:49.039 I mean to develop to be really good in that role, 1903 01:31:49.039 --> 01:31:50.399 because I think out of the gate he's been good. 1904 01:31:50.680 --> 01:31:53.239 And I'm a fan of Elbert too. Rich Brennan usually 1905 01:31:53.279 --> 01:31:55.359 a fan of When some of the specifics have been 1906 01:31:55.359 --> 01:31:58.439 brought up, Sean Radikin was the first to be really 1907 01:31:58.520 --> 01:32:01.079 hard on the announced team. He brought up some specifics 1908 01:32:01.119 --> 01:32:03.000 that I remember hearing and not thinking it was as 1909 01:32:03.079 --> 01:32:05.479 big of a deal when Rich Brandon was calling, you 1910 01:32:05.560 --> 01:32:07.880 know too many near falls as finishes. But what in 1911 01:32:08.000 --> 01:32:11.119 particular do you remember or things stood out Jason that 1912 01:32:11.239 --> 01:32:13.319 that the announce team came up short. 1913 01:32:13.119 --> 01:32:16.119 On storytelling would be the big one. Just see a 1914 01:32:16.199 --> 01:32:19.000 really dry I don't think he really grasped the story 1915 01:32:19.039 --> 01:32:21.319 they were telling in that main event. It just seemed 1916 01:32:21.319 --> 01:32:24.119 like he was in that point at different points, calling 1917 01:32:24.199 --> 01:32:26.960 the spots more so than kind of painting the picture 1918 01:32:27.000 --> 01:32:29.279 that the rest you know, helping the wrestlers paint that picture. 1919 01:32:30.319 --> 01:32:32.279 Do you think did you like the story? Do you 1920 01:32:32.319 --> 01:32:34.359 think that bringing up brock Lessner John Cena was a 1921 01:32:34.439 --> 01:32:37.479 huge mistake, a risky move that worked a little or 1922 01:32:37.520 --> 01:32:39.399 didn't work a little, but not a big deal or 1923 01:32:40.000 --> 01:32:41.880 really good with in the context of NXT to draw 1924 01:32:41.920 --> 01:32:43.039 that comparison to history. 1925 01:32:43.279 --> 01:32:45.359 I didn't mind that as much as most people. It 1926 01:32:45.479 --> 01:32:47.319 did kind of when everything was said and done, it 1927 01:32:47.439 --> 01:32:49.520 was like, Okay, now I get that. Now I get 1928 01:32:49.560 --> 01:32:51.600 why they brought that up, and it makes a little 1929 01:32:51.640 --> 01:32:55.119 more sense. But you know, it did when they when 1930 01:32:55.119 --> 01:32:57.680 he first said it. It's it. I mean, it's I 1931 01:32:57.720 --> 01:33:00.319 don't know that i'd be comparing Kevin Owens given the 1932 01:33:00.359 --> 01:33:03.119 body type two brock Lesner. I just I might. I 1933 01:33:03.199 --> 01:33:06.199 would probably shy away from that. I just don't. It's 1934 01:33:06.279 --> 01:33:09.119 not a favorable comparison for Kevin Owens, and he's got it. 1935 01:33:09.199 --> 01:33:10.840 You know, it doesn't mean he is going to be 1936 01:33:10.880 --> 01:33:12.960 a failure in ww or anything like that. But I 1937 01:33:13.079 --> 01:33:14.279 just think i'd shy away from that. 1938 01:33:14.880 --> 01:33:16.720 I think they could have told the story, which is 1939 01:33:17.600 --> 01:33:21.159 Kevin Owens is dominating. We haven't seen a wrestler dominate 1940 01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:24.880 a champion in a match in a one sided fashion 1941 01:33:25.000 --> 01:33:26.920 as much as we have as we have since Summer 1942 01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:30.159 Slam with Lesner and Sena, and then the next words 1943 01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:32.439 out of one of their mouths is yes, And Kevin 1944 01:33:32.479 --> 01:33:35.079 Owens obviously a different brand of wrestler, a different style 1945 01:33:35.119 --> 01:33:38.520 of wrestler than Lesner. He's using this approach that's different, 1946 01:33:38.760 --> 01:33:40.600 but boy does it work for him? And I wonder 1947 01:33:40.640 --> 01:33:43.079 how far this can take him using this approach against 1948 01:33:43.079 --> 01:33:45.279 Sammy's Ain and talk about the strengths of Sammy's ain 1949 01:33:45.680 --> 01:33:48.920 without having people go, well, he's no brock Lessner, And 1950 01:33:49.039 --> 01:33:50.840 I think there was a way to make that point 1951 01:33:51.760 --> 01:33:54.960 with a little bit more finesse. Yeah, without Kevin Owens 1952 01:33:56.000 --> 01:34:00.439 paling in comparison, looking pale in comparison to lest who 1953 01:34:00.560 --> 01:34:02.800 is just somebody. It's it's kind of a losing proposition 1954 01:34:02.840 --> 01:34:04.359 to be compared to him at this point, especially with 1955 01:34:04.640 --> 01:34:07.439 how few matches Owens has had in NXT so far 1956 01:34:07.520 --> 01:34:08.600 to really establish himself. 1957 01:34:09.079 --> 01:34:11.199 Hey, by the way, if Samoa Joe goes to NXT, 1958 01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:13.479 will that be one of the rare wrestler where people 1959 01:34:13.520 --> 01:34:15.199 were like, oh good, he's getting a name change. 1960 01:34:16.279 --> 01:34:20.000 Yes, it will, Yes, he will absolutely get a name change. 1961 01:34:20.840 --> 01:34:24.680 I can't remember which caller. It was suggested half tongue 1962 01:34:24.680 --> 01:34:28.520 in cheek, maybe two thirds that Samoa Joe and Roman 1963 01:34:28.520 --> 01:34:30.600 Reigns have a battle over who the real Samoa Joe is. 1964 01:34:30.680 --> 01:34:33.720 But I hopefully he was about ninety nine percent joking 1965 01:34:33.800 --> 01:34:34.159 on that one. 1966 01:34:34.880 --> 01:34:37.399 Yeah, I just I've never I just remember the first 1967 01:34:37.439 --> 01:34:39.439 time I read it, you know, I was back and 1968 01:34:39.600 --> 01:34:42.439 when Ring of Honor launched, and it was like Samoa Joe. 1969 01:34:42.560 --> 01:34:44.560 I just figured he was like some sidekick that wasn't 1970 01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:46.680 even going to be a wrestler, and it's it's sucked. 1971 01:34:46.720 --> 01:34:49.199 I mean, it doesn't seem like it's hurt him, but 1972 01:34:49.319 --> 01:34:50.920 I'm anxious for change. Nonetheless. 1973 01:34:51.399 --> 01:34:53.920 Yeah, it's like it'd be like reading you know, Irish Pete. 1974 01:34:54.680 --> 01:34:56.520 It's like, you're not going to take a guy seriously, 1975 01:34:56.720 --> 01:35:00.640 you know called h you know, Johnny Astra. I don't know, 1976 01:35:00.720 --> 01:35:03.079 it's just yeah, the first time I read it, I 1977 01:35:03.159 --> 01:35:06.000 was like this, you know, this is not the glory 1978 01:35:06.119 --> 01:35:08.680 era of Ring of Honor, Like when they started off 1979 01:35:08.720 --> 01:35:10.800 and brought all the great indie wrestlers together and it 1980 01:35:10.880 --> 01:35:12.640 was low key and styles and all that. All of 1981 01:35:12.640 --> 01:35:15.079 a sudden you're just like, oh, okay, Samoa Joe, and 1982 01:35:15.159 --> 01:35:16.880 then you watch them work and you're like, okay, he 1983 01:35:16.960 --> 01:35:18.920 won me over and you stop caring about the name. 1984 01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:21.560 But the name limited. I think the name was limiting 1985 01:35:21.680 --> 01:35:24.560 and it felt very lazy. It's not quite as bad 1986 01:35:24.560 --> 01:35:26.920 as mister j L. But it's not a lot better. 1987 01:35:28.319 --> 01:35:30.920 Minnesota Jerry. That's what he should have been called, Minnesota Jerry. 1988 01:35:32.199 --> 01:35:34.439 All Right, we have an email question Mark wants to know. 1989 01:35:34.600 --> 01:35:38.000 This is shark Mary actually call dot net member and 1990 01:35:38.079 --> 01:35:41.199 he says, assuming Roustev Sina is at Mania, win or lose, 1991 01:35:41.279 --> 01:35:43.560 what is next for Russev? What do you think, Jason? 1992 01:35:44.439 --> 01:35:49.079 A good question. I guess let's see who the champion 1993 01:35:49.199 --> 01:35:51.720 is coming out of Mania. If they want to go 1994 01:35:51.920 --> 01:35:55.600 right to that. If you know what, if Seena beats 1995 01:35:55.640 --> 01:35:58.000 him at Mania, I think next up for him is 1996 01:35:58.399 --> 01:36:02.119 beating Scena somehow. I I whether it's decisive or he 1997 01:36:02.159 --> 01:36:03.880 gets a cheap victory. I think they're going to want 1998 01:36:03.880 --> 01:36:07.239 to try to, you know, just untarnish. I don't know 1999 01:36:07.319 --> 01:36:09.760 that they're going to be able to. I don't think 2000 01:36:09.840 --> 01:36:14.319 losing the scene at WrestleMania is like this just bad, 2001 01:36:14.479 --> 01:36:17.560 bad moment for Roman or for BRUCEV. But wait, I 2002 01:36:17.640 --> 01:36:20.079 don't know what good it does either. Then hey, John 2003 01:36:20.159 --> 01:36:23.680 Cena got a happy Wrestlemanian moment. I don't really understand 2004 01:36:24.399 --> 01:36:26.640 what what they think that would do it? If that's 2005 01:36:26.800 --> 01:36:29.199 great and you're going in, I mean, what am I 2006 01:36:29.239 --> 01:36:29.880 missing something? 2007 01:36:30.239 --> 01:36:30.279 No? 2008 01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:31.079 No, no, you're not. 2009 01:36:31.399 --> 01:36:31.960 I agree. 2010 01:36:31.960 --> 01:36:34.920 I mean it almost seems like Russev's character expires the 2011 01:36:34.960 --> 01:36:38.119 moment John Cena beats him at WrestleMania and he gets 2012 01:36:38.520 --> 01:36:40.960 moved down the card and heck, and I don't think 2013 01:36:41.000 --> 01:36:43.359 it's gonna happen because I think Vince likes Rusev. I 2014 01:36:43.479 --> 01:36:47.039 know a lot of guys really like rusepfe Veterans who 2015 01:36:47.199 --> 01:36:49.720 observe just think this guy's got something that they like. 2016 01:36:49.840 --> 01:36:53.199 It's it's old school, but it works in modern day. 2017 01:36:53.359 --> 01:36:55.079 You don't see a lot of guys like him anymore. 2018 01:36:55.479 --> 01:36:57.359 You know, we're so used to an x T producing, 2019 01:36:58.159 --> 01:37:01.039 you know, Drew MacIntyre, Tye, you know, just the guys 2020 01:37:01.079 --> 01:37:05.199 who have that lean muscle musculature body, and you know, 2021 01:37:05.399 --> 01:37:07.920 it's nice to see a variety with Bray Wyatt now 2022 01:37:07.960 --> 01:37:10.920 and Kevin Owens, but Russev is really different in that way. Russev. 2023 01:37:10.920 --> 01:37:13.880 You could drop into nineteen seventy seven, and or you 2024 01:37:13.920 --> 01:37:17.760 could photoshop him into or video edit him into wrestling 2025 01:37:17.760 --> 01:37:19.800 from the mid seventies and nobody would think, oh, that guy, 2026 01:37:19.920 --> 01:37:21.960 you know doesn't belong. But you do that with you know, 2027 01:37:22.039 --> 01:37:23.720 most of the guys today and it would be obvious 2028 01:37:23.760 --> 01:37:26.199 they didn't belong in that era. And that's kind of cool. 2029 01:37:26.479 --> 01:37:29.199 And I think he's versatile and good enough as a worker. 2030 01:37:29.279 --> 01:37:31.359 He certainly showed it against Roman Raids at house shows. 2031 01:37:31.359 --> 01:37:34.239 I mean, Rousselv was carrying him. I think that he 2032 01:37:35.479 --> 01:37:37.600 that Rusev has a chance to be good for a 2033 01:37:37.680 --> 01:37:40.039 long time to come. But storyline wise, I think it 2034 01:37:40.079 --> 01:37:42.760 almost has to be a step down unless they just 2035 01:37:42.840 --> 01:37:44.239 find a way for seeing it to win but keep 2036 01:37:44.319 --> 01:37:47.640 Russev strong. They do one more rematch, Roussev maybe wins 2037 01:37:47.760 --> 01:37:50.720 the post Mania rematch or something, and then he moves 2038 01:37:50.760 --> 01:37:53.640 on to a feud with another top level guy. Maybe 2039 01:37:53.680 --> 01:37:56.079 he goes after the title. If Rains has a title, 2040 01:37:56.279 --> 01:37:59.399 maybe he goes after Daniel Bryan. If Seamus is a babyface, 2041 01:37:59.439 --> 01:38:01.239 he goes after. I mean, there's only so many top 2042 01:38:01.279 --> 01:38:03.159 baby faces from the wrestle, But I kind of think 2043 01:38:03.199 --> 01:38:05.119 he ends up fighting a top tier babyface. 2044 01:38:05.640 --> 01:38:09.079 I think that, yeah, for sure. I mean he's established now. 2045 01:38:09.560 --> 01:38:11.520 Like I said, even if he loses, I don't see 2046 01:38:11.560 --> 01:38:13.840 any real good coming from it if he loses to 2047 01:38:13.920 --> 01:38:16.760 see it Mania, But he's established. He's a top babyface, 2048 01:38:16.960 --> 01:38:19.119 and I think, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if 2049 01:38:19.159 --> 01:38:21.760 there is a title reign in his future. I mean 2050 01:38:23.399 --> 01:38:26.720 he's one of the few. Especially if brock Lesnar leaves, Well, 2051 01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:29.399 there's your monster heel, you know, and you can't make 2052 01:38:29.520 --> 01:38:33.960 him furniture throwing want you know, brock Lesnard want to be. 2053 01:38:34.119 --> 01:38:37.000 But I think he plays that part. He's the one 2054 01:38:37.079 --> 01:38:39.760 guy that they have right now who believably could be 2055 01:38:39.880 --> 01:38:41.840 that badass heel that I think they would be missing 2056 01:38:41.920 --> 01:38:42.880 at brock were to leave. 2057 01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:44.680 A few months ago, I would not have been a 2058 01:38:44.720 --> 01:38:47.439 favor of even I just say in favor. I wouldn't 2059 01:38:47.439 --> 01:38:50.239 to put the odds high at all of him having 2060 01:38:50.279 --> 01:38:53.000 a world title run. And I think the last four 2061 01:38:53.079 --> 01:38:55.720 or five six weeks he's shown me enough where that's 2062 01:38:55.760 --> 01:38:58.920 on my radar as a possibility. I don't see it 2063 01:38:58.960 --> 01:39:02.039 as a long term parent ill heal champion. Vince only 2064 01:39:02.079 --> 01:39:03.960 goes you know he did that with Yokazuna. I guess 2065 01:39:04.680 --> 01:39:07.359 JBL is kind of a B champion on SmackDown, but 2066 01:39:07.560 --> 01:39:10.479 you know, Vince like is always looking for that lead babyface. 2067 01:39:10.800 --> 01:39:14.680 But russav is a transition champion for a while, especially 2068 01:39:14.680 --> 01:39:17.199 if you're trying to crown somebody new who beats him. 2069 01:39:17.760 --> 01:39:19.520 You know, yeah, that can work, and now he might 2070 01:39:19.560 --> 01:39:21.199 be a world champion in the way that Iron Cheek 2071 01:39:21.279 --> 01:39:23.439 was simply to transfer the title one month to the 2072 01:39:23.520 --> 01:39:25.960 next or one you know, big show to the next 2073 01:39:26.000 --> 01:39:29.159 big show to somebody else. All right, up next, John says, Hey, 2074 01:39:29.199 --> 01:39:30.800 Wade and Jason. I've read some reports online in the 2075 01:39:30.800 --> 01:39:33.800 past week that the main roster superstars are why can't 2076 01:39:34.079 --> 01:39:38.359 they're wrestlers superstars? Is WWE's propaganda or Weillian term that 2077 01:39:38.479 --> 01:39:41.560 many main roster wrestlers are frustrated and jealous at the 2078 01:39:41.560 --> 01:39:44.079 freedom given to NXT wrestlers. I was wondering if you 2079 01:39:44.159 --> 01:39:47.319 guys had heard any legitimacy to this report and if 2080 01:39:47.399 --> 01:39:49.640 it may actually and if any change may come out 2081 01:39:49.640 --> 01:39:51.560 of it. Have a great show, guys, and thanks love 2082 01:39:51.560 --> 01:39:54.520 the upgraded audio quality. By the way, that's actually Jonathan 2083 01:39:54.520 --> 01:39:57.319 from Rockford, Illinois. So other than using the term superstars 2084 01:39:57.439 --> 01:39:59.279 with a small s and buying it to the whole 2085 01:39:59.399 --> 01:40:04.520 Orwellian language tricks that WWE plays. It's a good topic, Jason. 2086 01:40:04.560 --> 01:40:08.079 Do you think NXT wrestlers have more freedom than WWE 2087 01:40:08.119 --> 01:40:11.720 wrestlers or as part of the indoctrination process or orientation, 2088 01:40:11.840 --> 01:40:14.039 Maybe is a better term in NXT is get them 2089 01:40:14.079 --> 01:40:16.520 to pace themselves. Tas was talking about that on his 2090 01:40:16.640 --> 01:40:19.880 podcast last week reviewing the NXT special, saying, here doesn't 2091 01:40:19.920 --> 01:40:21.800 think Kevin Owens can take that style to the main 2092 01:40:21.920 --> 01:40:23.960 roster and find anybody who's gonna want to work with 2093 01:40:24.039 --> 01:40:26.159 him night after night doing that. And I talked to 2094 01:40:26.239 --> 01:40:29.199 another wrestler off record who just said, Kevin Owens is 2095 01:40:29.279 --> 01:40:34.840 working a style that gets you main event credibility, but 2096 01:40:35.119 --> 01:40:37.439 once you get over, you don't want to keep working 2097 01:40:37.520 --> 01:40:41.159 that style. And so maybe what Jonathan is sensing is 2098 01:40:42.000 --> 01:40:46.000 that the NXT wrestlers wrestle to get themselves over, which 2099 01:40:46.079 --> 01:40:48.640 means full steam ahead. But when you get to the 2100 01:40:48.680 --> 01:40:51.760 main roster, a lot of the guys not to sustain 2101 01:40:51.800 --> 01:40:54.079 the schedule. They can't work at that pace. So I'm 2102 01:40:54.119 --> 01:40:55.479 not even sure a lot of the guys want to 2103 01:40:55.520 --> 01:40:57.239 work that way, although I could see Ziggler, you know, 2104 01:40:57.439 --> 01:40:58.960 saying I want that freedom, but it seems like he 2105 01:40:59.039 --> 01:41:02.279 has that freedom, so I don't. No, we're about to 2106 01:41:02.279 --> 01:41:04.439 go to a commercial break. Why listened to commercial breaks? 2107 01:41:04.479 --> 01:41:07.159 When you can go vip and experience our shows with 2108 01:41:07.239 --> 01:41:10.119 the ads and plugs removed. Pw torch dot com slash 2109 01:41:10.359 --> 01:41:13.760 go vip. That's pw torch dot com slash go vip 2110 01:41:13.920 --> 01:41:16.920 for full details, or go to Patreon Patreon dot com 2111 01:41:17.079 --> 01:41:20.840 slash pw Torch vip ratestart as low as four dollars 2112 01:41:20.840 --> 01:41:22.600 in ninety nine cents to remove the ads and plugs 2113 01:41:22.640 --> 01:41:25.760 through Patreon. Full VIP membership starts at nine dollars in 2114 01:41:25.880 --> 01:41:28.600 ninety nine cents to treat yourself to a streamlined, ad 2115 01:41:28.720 --> 01:41:32.479 and plug free listening experience with a VIP or Patreon membership. 2116 01:41:34.560 --> 01:41:37.279 Your thoughts, Yeah, I's not a complaints I've heard. I 2117 01:41:37.319 --> 01:41:39.720 wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of complaints 2118 01:41:39.800 --> 01:41:43.479 right now. But NXC, I think naturally, when the young 2119 01:41:43.560 --> 01:41:47.920 guys are putting out a product that's receiving more praise 2120 01:41:48.039 --> 01:41:51.279 than the main roster, you're going to have some jealousy 2121 01:41:51.359 --> 01:41:54.640 in there, you know, are. You just look at the 2122 01:41:54.640 --> 01:41:56.960 structure of those shows, and it is a little more. 2123 01:41:57.079 --> 01:41:59.000 You get to those last three matches and they open 2124 01:41:59.119 --> 01:42:02.039 things up where w it does seem like there's more 2125 01:42:02.079 --> 01:42:05.000 of a concern about saving something for the main event, 2126 01:42:05.119 --> 01:42:07.279 working in a buffer match and things of that nature. 2127 01:42:07.560 --> 01:42:11.079 It's far just the overall in ring style though. I yeah, 2128 01:42:11.119 --> 01:42:14.119 I mean it's it's a younger crew working a non 2129 01:42:14.319 --> 01:42:18.279 ww syal that they're still conforming to, and I don't 2130 01:42:18.319 --> 01:42:20.239 know how much of an emphasis is being placed on 2131 01:42:20.319 --> 01:42:24.039 that right now when you see you know, the I mean, 2132 01:42:24.079 --> 01:42:27.199 we've seen some transitioning guys like Zaying. I mean Seth 2133 01:42:27.279 --> 01:42:29.920 Rollins is a guy who went through that obviously, But 2134 01:42:30.560 --> 01:42:32.640 I do yeah, I mean, I just think there's naturally 2135 01:42:32.720 --> 01:42:35.479 going to be some level of jealousy and frustration when 2136 01:42:35.560 --> 01:42:38.920 people are raving about how great this NXT thing is 2137 01:42:39.079 --> 01:42:42.119 and kind of you have the main roster guys going, hey, 2138 01:42:42.159 --> 01:42:44.680 we work hard too, and it's just a lot of 2139 01:42:44.720 --> 01:42:46.439 it is out of their hands because creatively and with 2140 01:42:46.520 --> 01:42:47.880 the presentation it's flawed. 2141 01:42:49.079 --> 01:42:52.399 Uh yeah, So I don't think that there's this mass 2142 01:42:52.520 --> 01:42:55.000 number of main roster guys Jason, where like we want 2143 01:42:55.079 --> 01:42:57.079 to work our ass off like the NXT guys do 2144 01:42:57.119 --> 01:42:58.159 once every two or three months. 2145 01:42:59.039 --> 01:43:02.720 No, No, I think so. Yeah, yeah, but is it 2146 01:43:02.800 --> 01:43:05.800 a good excuse if you're a guy who's working in 2147 01:43:05.920 --> 01:43:07.760 the mid card and they're not asking, you know, they're 2148 01:43:07.800 --> 01:43:10.520 giving you seven minutes and they're not letting you go 2149 01:43:10.600 --> 01:43:12.520 out there and just tear the house down because you're, 2150 01:43:12.600 --> 01:43:14.800 you know, working a mid to undercard match on a 2151 01:43:14.840 --> 01:43:16.800 paper baby. Yeah, you know that. I can see where 2152 01:43:16.840 --> 01:43:19.560 guys are complaining. I'm not saying, you know, I don't 2153 01:43:19.560 --> 01:43:21.760 know that you blame the NXT crew for that, but 2154 01:43:22.279 --> 01:43:24.159 I'm sure there's always a lot of I mean, there's 2155 01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:26.680 guys that still say, hey, if I could have done what, 2156 01:43:26.800 --> 01:43:28.199 you know, if I'd been given the freedom that see 2157 01:43:28.239 --> 01:43:30.319 him Punk did during the Pipelomb promo, I could have 2158 01:43:30.359 --> 01:43:32.359 pulled it off. And it's like, no, you couldn't have. 2159 01:43:32.399 --> 01:43:33.279 But it sounds nice. 2160 01:43:33.800 --> 01:43:36.319 Well yeah, And I will say I get where they're 2161 01:43:36.359 --> 01:43:38.479 coming from in the sense it's like it's not an 2162 01:43:38.560 --> 01:43:41.920 either or argument. Punk had a certain credibility based on 2163 01:43:42.000 --> 01:43:43.760 who he was, how he carried himself, where he came 2164 01:43:43.840 --> 01:43:47.039 from that made that work. But there is something about 2165 01:43:47.159 --> 01:43:50.880 Punk using getting an advantage that other guys didn't have, 2166 01:43:51.279 --> 01:43:54.000 which was breaking that fourth wall. It just made sense 2167 01:43:54.039 --> 01:43:56.600 for his character more than it did others. But it 2168 01:43:56.680 --> 01:44:00.479 doesn't make Punk the greatest promo guy ever because he 2169 01:44:00.520 --> 01:44:01.960 did get to break a rule. He did get to 2170 01:44:02.000 --> 01:44:04.640 speak outside of the bounds in the rules of everybody else, 2171 01:44:04.720 --> 01:44:06.960 So it's a little more nuanced. I'm not quite at 2172 01:44:07.000 --> 01:44:10.119 the Jack Corpella stage wherein Friday Jack said, you know, see, 2173 01:44:10.119 --> 01:44:11.800 I'm Punkin in the attitude era would have been a 2174 01:44:11.800 --> 01:44:14.560 lower card guy, and you know, want to have jumped 2175 01:44:14.560 --> 01:44:17.840 out to anybody. I'm certain certainly not anywhere close to that. 2176 01:44:17.960 --> 01:44:21.159 Punk is a phenomenal interview, but he did get to 2177 01:44:21.279 --> 01:44:23.600 be able to have that restriction taken off of You 2178 01:44:24.039 --> 01:44:26.359 did give him a leg up, and there's a reason 2179 01:44:26.439 --> 01:44:28.359 that promo is more memorable than any other one. 2180 01:44:28.279 --> 01:44:28.680 That he did. 2181 01:44:29.039 --> 01:44:29.560 Oh it did. 2182 01:44:30.039 --> 01:44:31.800 But it's just a whole you know, the complaint that 2183 01:44:31.920 --> 01:44:34.000 some of me I just had been given that opportunity. 2184 01:44:34.000 --> 01:44:35.960 I could have done it too, And that's where I 2185 01:44:36.039 --> 01:44:38.159 compare it to NXT. It's like, if I could just 2186 01:44:38.399 --> 01:44:41.039 go out there and just work with reckless abandon for 2187 01:44:41.239 --> 01:44:43.960 twelve minutes instead of the limitations I get. I can 2188 01:44:44.039 --> 01:44:48.119 see where guys start to, you know, come to that 2189 01:44:48.239 --> 01:44:51.039 conclusion where and in some cases they may be right. 2190 01:44:51.399 --> 01:44:53.399 If you know, Tyson Kidd is a guy that probably 2191 01:44:53.680 --> 01:44:55.319 if he was not only on the main roster, be 2192 01:44:55.399 --> 01:44:57.239 going hey, I could do that. And we've seen by 2193 01:44:57.319 --> 01:44:59.039 him going that next heat. Yeah he can do that. 2194 01:44:59.520 --> 01:45:02.760 Yeah, yep, all right, I'm next to Brian Allston says 2195 01:45:03.159 --> 01:45:05.039 he's from Phoenix, Arizona. Twenty free year of pros and 2196 01:45:05.039 --> 01:45:08.399 toward subscriber. Big picture, it seems that Big Showman Kine 2197 01:45:08.680 --> 01:45:10.279 are headed to a one on one match at Wrestling 2198 01:45:10.319 --> 01:45:11.760 A thirty one. I'm sure a majority of fans do 2199 01:45:11.840 --> 01:45:13.439 not want to see this parbatly because they fought several 2200 01:45:13.640 --> 01:45:16.720 one hundred times. However, Big Showman Kine should be in 2201 01:45:16.760 --> 01:45:19.000 matches at WrestleMania. So if they don't wrestle each other, 2202 01:45:19.000 --> 01:45:21.399 who should they wrestle? My vote is the Ascension. It 2203 01:45:21.399 --> 01:45:23.319 would have Connor and Victor, two veterans to work with 2204 01:45:23.600 --> 01:45:25.840 and give them a great, high profile win that they 2205 01:45:25.880 --> 01:45:26.560 can brag about. 2206 01:45:27.159 --> 01:45:30.920 Jason, my vote is for the Andre the Giant Memorial 2207 01:45:31.000 --> 01:45:31.520 Battle Royal. 2208 01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:35.880 Yeah. No really, if they are they going to have 2209 01:45:35.960 --> 01:45:36.279 that again. 2210 01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:37.159 I don't know. 2211 01:45:37.199 --> 01:45:39.359 I mean, people are talking about away it's happening, but 2212 01:45:39.399 --> 01:45:40.840 I don't know if it's just because they made a 2213 01:45:40.880 --> 01:45:43.960 big fuss last year and they assume no one has 2214 01:45:44.000 --> 01:45:45.399 mentioned it to me and there's no sign of it. 2215 01:45:45.479 --> 01:45:47.279 But I guess it wouldn't surprise me. It's an easy 2216 01:45:47.319 --> 01:45:51.239 way to get people on the show, and it's it's 2217 01:45:51.319 --> 01:45:53.319 really too bad they didn't do it more with the 2218 01:45:53.399 --> 01:45:55.279 guy who won the first one. It might actually be 2219 01:45:55.399 --> 01:45:57.239 something people would be looking forward to. 2220 01:45:57.960 --> 01:46:03.399 Yeah, yep, the the Ascension. Do you see them on the. 2221 01:46:03.399 --> 01:46:06.560 Show under the giant Memorial Battle Royal? 2222 01:46:07.439 --> 01:46:09.920 But I mean so not a not at a tag match? 2223 01:46:10.119 --> 01:46:10.319 It is? 2224 01:46:10.479 --> 01:46:13.199 Well, I mean, hey, it's if it's if they need 2225 01:46:13.279 --> 01:46:15.359 another let's get everyone on the show match where you 2226 01:46:15.359 --> 01:46:18.560 could see you know, some sort of elimination tag you know, 2227 01:46:18.680 --> 01:46:21.359 something like that. Then you get all the tag teams 2228 01:46:21.399 --> 01:46:24.399 on the show that way. I guess it just depends 2229 01:46:24.439 --> 01:46:26.199 how much, you know, how many matches they need to 2230 01:46:26.640 --> 01:46:29.920 get everyone on the show. Yeah, yeah, but I don't know, 2231 01:46:29.960 --> 01:46:32.800 I don't think they deserve Like, here's the Ascension match. No, 2232 01:46:33.319 --> 01:46:35.640 it's they're not over and quite frankly, neither a Big 2233 01:46:35.680 --> 01:46:38.920 Showing Kane. I would be more likely to do something 2234 01:46:38.960 --> 01:46:41.479 with Big Show and Kane than the Ascension. And if 2235 01:46:41.520 --> 01:46:44.199 it's they're trying to come up with the reason, you know, 2236 01:46:44.239 --> 01:46:46.319 a way to get Big Show and Kane in a 2237 01:46:47.319 --> 01:46:49.800 in more than the Battle Royal, well, you know, I guess, 2238 01:46:49.880 --> 01:46:52.199 and you could do it, but it would be more 2239 01:46:52.199 --> 01:46:53.680 about them than it would be the Ascension. 2240 01:46:54.680 --> 01:46:56.520 Up next, Wayne from Trades says, I know that we've 2241 01:46:56.560 --> 01:46:58.000 seen this time and time again where they build up 2242 01:46:58.000 --> 01:46:59.680 two baby faces for a match, but I think they 2243 01:46:59.680 --> 01:47:01.840 actually fix the Roman Briand situation to a point where 2244 01:47:01.880 --> 01:47:03.760 now it peaked my interest. By the way some of 2245 01:47:03.760 --> 01:47:05.239 the things have been going on with parts of Rod, 2246 01:47:05.279 --> 01:47:07.239 do you think Vince's letting Triple H actually take more 2247 01:47:07.279 --> 01:47:09.760 control because some of these stories don't seem as goofy 2248 01:47:09.840 --> 01:47:12.199 as Vince's stories. You know, we definitely got a lot 2249 01:47:12.239 --> 01:47:16.319 of feedback email, Twitter, callers, live cast. The end of 2250 01:47:16.560 --> 01:47:19.279 Rod did seem to save or make up for and 2251 01:47:19.359 --> 01:47:22.199 build anticipation for rains Brian and I think if you're 2252 01:47:22.239 --> 01:47:23.840 gonna peak, you want to peek at the very end. 2253 01:47:24.119 --> 01:47:26.720 We'll see what they do tonight on SmackDown. But I 2254 01:47:26.760 --> 01:47:29.600 wouldn't say that this is that this feels so different 2255 01:47:29.640 --> 01:47:30.920 that it has to be Triple Ah. 2256 01:47:31.640 --> 01:47:33.640 No, it goes back to what I said earlier. They're 2257 01:47:33.680 --> 01:47:36.079 they're letting the wrestlers do their thing. They're they're going 2258 01:47:36.119 --> 01:47:38.560 out there and fighting one another. You know, that isn't 2259 01:47:38.600 --> 01:47:41.840 something that it takes Triple Ah or Ryan Ward or anyone, 2260 01:47:41.920 --> 01:47:44.159 you know, Paul Aim and anyone to just say, all right, 2261 01:47:44.199 --> 01:47:45.680 then you're gonna have a big brawl at the end. 2262 01:47:45.960 --> 01:47:48.640 The reason it came off well is because there wasn't dialogue, 2263 01:47:48.720 --> 01:47:51.399 There wasn't any big plot holes. It was just two 2264 01:47:51.479 --> 01:47:54.159 guys getting physical, and so you know, I don't see 2265 01:47:54.239 --> 01:47:57.479 that as a sign necessarily that someone else is more 2266 01:47:57.560 --> 01:47:59.760 involved in this. It just it's not the first time 2267 01:47:59.800 --> 01:48:01.439 we've seen something like this from WWE. 2268 01:48:02.199 --> 01:48:07.079 Exactly. Yep, Okay, I'm next. Brian h says, why do 2269 01:48:07.159 --> 01:48:10.359 you have John Cena and Russev's streak? What do you 2270 01:48:10.399 --> 01:48:12.880 think instead of the scenario where Brock retains at Russemania, 2271 01:48:13.239 --> 01:48:16.039 Russev beats Sena and they build a summer slant Russev 2272 01:48:16.039 --> 01:48:18.640 against Brock, I could see Lana interfering here. And Russev 2273 01:48:18.680 --> 01:48:22.039 even going over. Russev defends the title until Russemania twenty 2274 01:48:22.079 --> 01:48:24.800 sixteen russe Mada thirty two, where Brock gets his rematch 2275 01:48:24.840 --> 01:48:26.479 and ends the streak. If done correctly, this could be 2276 01:48:26.479 --> 01:48:29.439 a great storyline with a tremendous payoff as the main 2277 01:48:29.479 --> 01:48:30.279 event in Dalla. 2278 01:48:32.000 --> 01:48:34.840 I don't want to see Brock Lesner as a babyface, 2279 01:48:34.960 --> 01:48:37.239 so I say no to that. But if they are 2280 01:48:37.399 --> 01:48:39.720 going in that direction, then I think it makes sense. 2281 01:48:40.640 --> 01:48:45.800 Yeah, yep, if Bronco's babyface being the first guy to 2282 01:48:45.840 --> 01:48:49.199 beat Russev, if Sena can't. I'm not sure WWE wants 2283 01:48:49.239 --> 01:48:52.800 to make that statement that Lesner greater than Sena, But 2284 01:48:53.199 --> 01:48:55.039 if that's in the back of their mind, then I 2285 01:48:55.119 --> 01:48:59.000 think they, you know they if they think Rusev Lesner 2286 01:48:59.399 --> 01:49:01.359 is a money matter and that's the match for Lesner 2287 01:49:02.079 --> 01:49:04.319 to really be a strong babyface at Wresselmania thirty one, 2288 01:49:04.359 --> 01:49:06.439 I mean I could. I would say keep that in 2289 01:49:06.520 --> 01:49:08.199 mind as you watched the booking. I've seen a Rusev 2290 01:49:08.239 --> 01:49:10.239 over the next few weeks and really the next you 2291 01:49:10.319 --> 01:49:11.319 know till resume. 2292 01:49:11.960 --> 01:49:14.560 And I get the other thing with Rusev. He touched 2293 01:49:14.600 --> 01:49:17.800 on it earlier. He doesn't strike me as a Vince 2294 01:49:17.880 --> 01:49:21.720 McMahon long term heel champion guy. So I don't know 2295 01:49:21.800 --> 01:49:23.720 that they didn't invest. I don't know that he'd be 2296 01:49:23.800 --> 01:49:25.960 the one to take down brock Lesner unless it was, 2297 01:49:26.600 --> 01:49:28.640 you know, some sort of cheating involved. I just I 2298 01:49:29.479 --> 01:49:32.239 don't know that if Rock were leaving, I don't know 2299 01:49:32.319 --> 01:49:34.000 that Rusev would be the guy who would passed the 2300 01:49:34.039 --> 01:49:38.239 torch to it. Just Vince's history of using you know, 2301 01:49:38.359 --> 01:49:41.479 heels as champion isn't strong. I don't know that he 2302 01:49:41.479 --> 01:49:44.239 would want to build his company around this heel Russian menace. 2303 01:49:44.279 --> 01:49:46.319 Could It'd be more of a short term thing to me. 2304 01:49:46.399 --> 01:49:48.880 It would be all right, it's a setup for whoever 2305 01:49:49.039 --> 01:49:51.239 is going to take down the heel Russian menace. 2306 01:49:52.479 --> 01:49:55.319 All right, up next Anthony, you remember from Australia another 2307 01:49:55.399 --> 01:49:57.800 US He says, was it just me? Or did Roman 2308 01:49:57.880 --> 01:49:59.680 basically no sell everything Daniel threw at him in the 2309 01:49:59.680 --> 01:50:02.640 brawl A the end of raw even the chair shot ridiculous. 2310 01:50:02.680 --> 01:50:04.479 I thought, were they intending to leave the crowd in 2311 01:50:04.520 --> 01:50:06.479 any doubt that Roman would go over strong at Festlinge. 2312 01:50:06.479 --> 01:50:08.560 I wonder if Vince told Roman to no sell or 2313 01:50:08.600 --> 01:50:10.800 if he took it upon himself, if he doesn't sell 2314 01:50:10.880 --> 01:50:13.000 in the match, will it be as ugly as the 2315 01:50:13.039 --> 01:50:17.000 brawl itself. That is the other side of the argument 2316 01:50:17.000 --> 01:50:19.760 about Rains Brian is you know, you know, I say it, well, 2317 01:50:19.800 --> 01:50:22.119 Seen of dominating Russev means Seen is going to lose. 2318 01:50:22.880 --> 01:50:27.119 Does Rains dominated dominating Brian mean Rains is going to lose? 2319 01:50:27.479 --> 01:50:30.239 Or is this actually the exception to kind of that 2320 01:50:30.399 --> 01:50:32.960 rule in that Rains is just being told just like 2321 01:50:33.039 --> 01:50:36.159 Seampunk was in December of twenty thirteen. Make sure Rains 2322 01:50:36.159 --> 01:50:38.119 looks strong and maybe Brian's being told the same thing. 2323 01:50:38.840 --> 01:50:41.000 How long did Daniel Brian sell that big forearm? 2324 01:50:42.239 --> 01:50:44.119 Didn't he just get thrown into the ring right afterwards? 2325 01:50:44.760 --> 01:50:47.399 Yeah? I mean, I think I'm asking you because I 2326 01:50:47.439 --> 01:50:49.760 don't know. Yeah, I don't remember there being a lot 2327 01:50:49.800 --> 01:50:52.760 of selling. I mean, it was a brawl and you'dt 2328 01:50:52.960 --> 01:50:55.119 one guy get momentum briefly and the other guy take 2329 01:50:55.159 --> 01:50:57.600 it back. I just I didn't read too much into it. 2330 01:50:57.680 --> 01:50:59.359 I just kind of thought it was two guys brawling, 2331 01:50:59.399 --> 01:51:02.880 and if anything, I took away the possibility that they're 2332 01:51:02.880 --> 01:51:05.880 setting up that, Okay, these two have this intention dislike 2333 01:51:05.960 --> 01:51:08.159 for one another, and they have some sort of a 2334 01:51:08.399 --> 01:51:10.840 you know, double fill in the count out DQ finish 2335 01:51:11.000 --> 01:51:13.600 and somehow they both end up in WrestleMania. 2336 01:51:14.520 --> 01:51:17.319 Right yeah, so I And that's that's what we'll see 2337 01:51:17.399 --> 01:51:19.800 on Sunday is is how does how does how does 2338 01:51:19.840 --> 01:51:21.640 it play out? And then we'll look back at these 2339 01:51:21.680 --> 01:51:23.680 clues and go, ah, you know, maybe we should have 2340 01:51:23.680 --> 01:51:27.399 seen it coming. The You know, Michael Cole I thought 2341 01:51:27.479 --> 01:51:29.359 was at his best last last night, you know, when 2342 01:51:29.359 --> 01:51:31.479 he was shouting let him fight, let him fight, and 2343 01:51:31.920 --> 01:51:35.479 uh or the fans r actually channing let him fight, 2344 01:51:35.560 --> 01:51:37.800 and then Cole sold the fans on the notion, hey, 2345 01:51:38.000 --> 01:51:40.000 they're gonna do all their fighting on Sunday and and 2346 01:51:40.119 --> 01:51:42.680 I but overall, I just thought Cole added to the 2347 01:51:42.800 --> 01:51:46.000 excitement of the moment and JB. Ellen Booker were either 2348 01:51:46.039 --> 01:51:47.479 able to add to it or stay out of the way. 2349 01:51:55.439 --> 01:51:57.760 Are you a fan of the AW looking to sit back, 2350 01:51:57.960 --> 01:52:01.000 relax and listen to some like minded podcasters who share 2351 01:52:01.039 --> 01:52:03.359 your passion. Do you want to be topped off the 2352 01:52:03.439 --> 01:52:05.760 ledge after a segment that has you wondering what the 2353 01:52:05.880 --> 01:52:08.239 heck are they thinking? Do you want to join a 2354 01:52:08.319 --> 01:52:11.359 discussion on what AW is doing right and what they 2355 01:52:11.439 --> 01:52:14.279 could do to improve. Then join me Joel and me 2356 01:52:14.439 --> 01:52:17.319 Greg for the All Elite Conversation Club every Friday on 2357 01:52:17.359 --> 01:52:21.119 the PW torch Live Cast. Fee search PW Torch in 2358 01:52:21.159 --> 01:52:24.279 your podcast app and subscribe to PW torch Daily Cast 2359 01:52:24.640 --> 01:52:27.119 or stream our shows directly from pw torch dot com. 2360 01:52:27.600 --> 01:52:30.840 Find full details on the PW torch Dailycast lineup. 2361 01:52:30.760 --> 01:52:43.439 At pw torchdailycast dot com. Yeah, he was fine. I 2362 01:52:44.039 --> 01:52:47.800 you know, he chimes in at times like that when 2363 01:52:47.840 --> 01:52:49.520 the intensity is high at the end of the show. 2364 01:52:50.000 --> 01:52:52.520 He usually does a pretty pretty damn good job. And 2365 01:52:52.640 --> 01:52:56.840 then Booker and JBO might get a clever line at 2366 01:52:56.880 --> 01:52:59.520 the end that is probably being fed to them by manage. Yeah, 2367 01:53:00.640 --> 01:53:02.920 I keep waiting. I was excited, Whig when you were 2368 01:53:02.920 --> 01:53:06.439 talking about the new role or the new division they 2369 01:53:06.479 --> 01:53:08.279 had for Booker t where he would stand up to 2370 01:53:08.359 --> 01:53:11.399 JBL Moore in that. And it's just, you know, it's 2371 01:53:11.399 --> 01:53:13.880 another thing where I'm certainly not questioning what you reported, 2372 01:53:14.000 --> 01:53:16.960 but it's just I'm sitting here going damn again, it 2373 01:53:17.359 --> 01:53:19.560 sounds really good and they should follow through on what 2374 01:53:19.640 --> 01:53:22.079 they were saying, but I'm not you know, The only 2375 01:53:22.199 --> 01:53:24.199 positive I can say I can find in Booker t 2376 01:53:24.399 --> 01:53:27.159 right now is that he's not what the character that 2377 01:53:27.239 --> 01:53:28.840 he was on the pre shows. You know, he's not 2378 01:53:29.000 --> 01:53:32.199 over the top. There are times I forget he's there though. 2379 01:53:32.640 --> 01:53:35.479 That's a thing he's not as a sort of last 2380 01:53:35.600 --> 01:53:37.119 night and this is what I had heard he was 2381 01:53:37.159 --> 01:53:39.399 going to do more of, and he actually started doing it, 2382 01:53:39.880 --> 01:53:41.720 which is he was saying and I can't remember during 2383 01:53:41.760 --> 01:53:43.399 what match it was, but he was like, hey, guys, 2384 01:53:43.640 --> 01:53:46.359 there's a match in the ring. Like he said that 2385 01:53:46.520 --> 01:53:49.680 several times during the show to JBL and Cole as 2386 01:53:49.720 --> 01:53:51.600 they as they were going off on different things. So 2387 01:53:52.079 --> 01:53:56.159 there there were times where Booker was trying to keep 2388 01:53:56.279 --> 01:54:01.479 cole and and JBL from getting too far off from 2389 01:54:01.600 --> 01:54:07.600 calling the actual match. Ye, so that's good, that's what 2390 01:54:07.720 --> 01:54:10.479 I reported that you know, he would hopefully be doing. 2391 01:54:11.800 --> 01:54:13.800 But yeah, I agree with you. I don't think he 2392 01:54:13.880 --> 01:54:18.479 stood up enough to the uh, you know, JBL just 2393 01:54:18.560 --> 01:54:21.039 being inconsistent, and you know, it doesn't help in Bookers 2394 01:54:21.039 --> 01:54:23.039 saying that, you know, the Funk Brothers aren't the Funk 2395 01:54:23.079 --> 01:54:26.279 brothers and Steiners aren't really brothers. That doesn't help his case. 2396 01:54:26.560 --> 01:54:27.359 His credibility. 2397 01:54:28.159 --> 01:54:28.439 Literally. 2398 01:54:28.560 --> 01:54:30.600 JBL's like, yeah, you know, this's there's a risk between 2399 01:54:30.640 --> 01:54:34.479 brothers all the time, like the Funks, Briscos, and Steiners, 2400 01:54:34.520 --> 01:54:37.439 and Booker goes, well, yes, but they weren't brothers. They 2401 01:54:37.479 --> 01:54:39.479 weren't all brothers. And he goes, well, the Funks were brothers, 2402 01:54:40.520 --> 01:54:42.600 and I'm like, so the Briscos and Steiners weren't. So 2403 01:54:42.680 --> 01:54:44.640 I don't know maybe if he didn't hear him or 2404 01:54:44.880 --> 01:54:48.439 what that was, but anyhow, you know, Yeah, I mean, 2405 01:54:48.960 --> 01:54:50.800 Booker is not going to be color Commentator of the Year. 2406 01:54:51.520 --> 01:54:54.479 I think he's bringing something different than Lawler brought to 2407 01:54:54.560 --> 01:54:56.920 the show, although I really think Lawler was necessary would 2408 01:54:56.920 --> 01:54:58.000 have been it would have been nice for Lawler to 2409 01:54:58.000 --> 01:54:59.880 show up just for that page segment with the white towel. 2410 01:55:01.239 --> 01:55:04.960 What was that So she's nude backstage before her matches. 2411 01:55:06.319 --> 01:55:08.439 Yeah, maybe she was taking a pre match shower or 2412 01:55:09.279 --> 01:55:11.920 posing her selfies in the mirror. I don't know, that'll 2413 01:55:11.960 --> 01:55:14.279 get leaked later. Yeah, No, that's a good point, Like 2414 01:55:14.319 --> 01:55:16.479 why was it gear just sitting out and she had 2415 01:55:16.640 --> 01:55:18.640 no other clothing on, but she was in a white towel. 2416 01:55:19.439 --> 01:55:22.000 It's like she got she just robed of her street clothes. 2417 01:55:22.119 --> 01:55:24.399 In one room, the Bella snuck in and took her 2418 01:55:24.399 --> 01:55:26.399 wrestling gear, and then she walked into the other room 2419 01:55:26.399 --> 01:55:27.640 to put the gear on. I guess that's what we're 2420 01:55:27.640 --> 01:55:30.439 supposed to believe. Everything about that was just cheesy as 2421 01:55:30.479 --> 01:55:31.000 all get. 2422 01:55:30.920 --> 01:55:33.000 Up, and none of it's working. You know, nothing they 2423 01:55:33.039 --> 01:55:35.159 do with the demons these days is working. It's not 2424 01:55:35.319 --> 01:55:38.560 really bad. I just cringe every time they come on 2425 01:55:38.640 --> 01:55:41.199 television because I just know like that this is going 2426 01:55:41.279 --> 01:55:45.079 to be bad. Vince McMahon vision of women's wrestling. It's 2427 01:55:45.279 --> 01:55:50.159 terrible if you see what's going on in NXT. The athleticism, 2428 01:55:50.399 --> 01:55:52.880 the fact that they're treated like athletes. And we get 2429 01:55:52.920 --> 01:55:55.039 some of that, you know, from Bailey, because Bailey is 2430 01:55:55.039 --> 01:55:58.159 a different character and so yeah, the keels pick on 2431 01:55:58.239 --> 01:55:59.720 her and things like that, but it's done in a 2432 01:55:59.760 --> 01:56:03.039 way where you actually care about the person is being 2433 01:56:03.119 --> 01:56:05.680 done to. It doesn't just feel like, oh, the Bellas 2434 01:56:05.680 --> 01:56:09.079 are doing their weekly mean girl skit that isn't going 2435 01:56:09.159 --> 01:56:13.000 to go anywhere. That's why I'm so leary of Charlotte 2436 01:56:13.039 --> 01:56:15.319 being called up is because if Vince's vision of the 2437 01:56:15.359 --> 01:56:18.239 Diva's division isn't going to change, then she's going to 2438 01:56:18.319 --> 01:56:21.199 mean what Page has, which isn't much. And I hate 2439 01:56:21.199 --> 01:56:23.239 to say that. I mean, look at the women they've 2440 01:56:23.239 --> 01:56:26.039 already called up. There's some talented women there. Emma's doing nothing. 2441 01:56:26.479 --> 01:56:28.680 Page is in the spotlight as much as you can 2442 01:56:28.800 --> 01:56:31.800 be in the divas division, and she's not making a difference. 2443 01:56:31.800 --> 01:56:33.760 And it's not her fault, it's the presentation. 2444 01:56:34.319 --> 01:56:36.279 I totally agree. All right, let's try it. I want 2445 01:56:36.319 --> 01:56:37.760 to sneak in at least one more email here. This 2446 01:56:37.880 --> 01:56:40.000 is on the Brian Rains topic. It's another point of view. 2447 01:56:40.039 --> 01:56:42.439 This is Elliott from Atlanta. He says, I've been pretty 2448 01:56:42.479 --> 01:56:44.840 lukewarm on the Rains Brian feud until last night's raw. 2449 01:56:45.039 --> 01:56:47.119 Normally I like clear baby faces and heels in a feud, 2450 01:56:47.159 --> 01:56:48.880 but both Brian and Rain showed a ton of passion 2451 01:56:48.920 --> 01:56:51.119 for WrestleMania at the end of the show. I can 2452 01:56:51.199 --> 01:56:53.359 get past some of the antics they both exhibited earlier 2453 01:56:53.439 --> 01:56:56.520 on if it ends at fast Lane? Do you think 2454 01:56:56.520 --> 01:56:59.880 Wresselmania fever is an acceptable reason for Babyfaces to do 2455 01:57:00.279 --> 01:57:03.199 heal antics they normally wouldn't. And as a side note, 2456 01:57:03.239 --> 01:57:04.840 I felt this was the best Rains was so far 2457 01:57:04.880 --> 01:57:06.840 as a character I think Brian brings out a lot 2458 01:57:06.880 --> 01:57:08.880 of personality and this is one of the few face 2459 01:57:08.920 --> 01:57:12.119 face matchups I've enjoyed. Bruce talked about how we didn't 2460 01:57:12.119 --> 01:57:15.399 think Brian and Rains had credibility. Jason, Bruce Mitchell, what 2461 01:57:15.520 --> 01:57:18.239 do you think about the chemistry and Brian bringing out 2462 01:57:18.279 --> 01:57:20.479 the best in Rains through last night's raw? 2463 01:57:22.159 --> 01:57:24.279 Okay, let me go back to the question. Can they 2464 01:57:24.359 --> 01:57:26.520 heal it up because of what's on the line? Yeah, 2465 01:57:27.399 --> 01:57:30.640 maybe if someone were telling that story and you didn't 2466 01:57:30.640 --> 01:57:32.720 have to reach as a viewer to come to that conclusion, 2467 01:57:32.960 --> 01:57:36.199 you know that if there might be a way to 2468 01:57:36.279 --> 01:57:38.600 do it. They're not. They're not telling that story, you know. 2469 01:57:38.720 --> 01:57:41.640 Michael Cole was in talking about that. Daniel Brian and 2470 01:57:41.800 --> 01:57:45.239 Roman Rains aren't talking about it. It's just their miscast. 2471 01:57:45.359 --> 01:57:48.600 They're they're they're doing self destructive things with those you 2472 01:57:48.640 --> 01:57:52.720 know as characters. I mean, Daniel Brian is going around 2473 01:57:52.760 --> 01:57:54.600 the ring doing the yes bit and no one's doing 2474 01:57:54.640 --> 01:57:58.079 it along with him, and I just he wade. I 2475 01:57:58.520 --> 01:58:00.680 think it's time to tone down on the yes bit. 2476 01:58:00.840 --> 01:58:03.119 I think it's starting to feel old. And I've been 2477 01:58:03.159 --> 01:58:06.239 saying that for a while now. I just it's okay 2478 01:58:06.319 --> 01:58:08.159 when the fans do it naturally. I don't need to 2479 01:58:08.159 --> 01:58:10.920 see Daniel Brian doing it, you know, five times a night. 2480 01:58:11.359 --> 01:58:14.479 It's time to scale back on that. But you have 2481 01:58:14.600 --> 01:58:16.560 leaders of the company who feel like that's the only 2482 01:58:16.640 --> 01:58:18.840 reason he's over, and so I don't know that it's 2483 01:58:18.840 --> 01:58:19.960 going to change anytime soon. 2484 01:58:21.159 --> 01:58:23.600 Yeah, but I thought it was dangerous of Brian last 2485 01:58:23.680 --> 01:58:26.199 night to say, oh, if Rains thinks the y s 2486 01:58:26.319 --> 01:58:29.079 Chance are bothering him tonight, wait until Sunday. Like I 2487 01:58:29.159 --> 01:58:31.760 think you kind of let the fans cheer for you 2488 01:58:32.399 --> 01:58:35.680 without guaranteeing they're going to cheer for you ahead of time. Again, 2489 01:58:35.760 --> 01:58:38.640 that was out of character for Brian, And it does 2490 01:58:38.760 --> 01:58:42.279 get to the issue that of the email or email question, 2491 01:58:42.399 --> 01:58:44.520 which is maybe people just lose sight of who they 2492 01:58:44.560 --> 01:58:47.520 are in the frenzy to get to the WrestleMania main event. 2493 01:58:47.720 --> 01:58:49.960 And I think a big key is how do they 2494 01:58:49.960 --> 01:58:52.199 come out of whatever happens on Sunday? And what does 2495 01:58:52.359 --> 01:58:58.479 Brian do to recalibrate himself after what happened between the 2496 01:58:58.560 --> 01:59:03.680 Rumble and Fast Lane. If he recalibrates himself then to 2497 01:59:04.039 --> 01:59:06.439 who he used to be. I think all can be 2498 01:59:06.520 --> 01:59:11.920 forgiven and mostly fixed chemistry wise, as long as Rains 2499 01:59:12.000 --> 01:59:14.800 is showing more personality than he has before and Brian 2500 01:59:14.880 --> 01:59:16.560 is bringing it out of him in a way that 2501 01:59:16.680 --> 01:59:19.600 maybe Rains is really feeling, because there's a legitimate feeling 2502 01:59:19.640 --> 01:59:22.239 that Brian is kind of getting in the way of 2503 01:59:22.399 --> 01:59:24.760 Rain's being the top tier guy and as he told 2504 01:59:24.800 --> 01:59:27.119 Sam Roberts, hopefully getting rich along the way by doing 2505 01:59:27.159 --> 01:59:30.239 what management tells him. If Brian's popularity really is getting 2506 01:59:30.239 --> 01:59:31.960 in his way and Rains is a little bit irked 2507 01:59:32.000 --> 01:59:34.199 by that, then so be it. That's Vince mc matt 2508 01:59:34.199 --> 01:59:36.920 always wants that, he wants two guys bringing out the 2509 01:59:36.960 --> 01:59:39.199 best in each other. It's been rocky. I think the 2510 01:59:39.239 --> 01:59:41.439 booking has let him down. I think the format of 2511 01:59:41.560 --> 01:59:43.880 SmackDown last week and the way that they played into 2512 01:59:43.920 --> 01:59:45.840 things let them down. I thought, I don't know how 2513 01:59:45.880 --> 01:59:47.319 many people picked up on it, but I just thought 2514 01:59:47.319 --> 01:59:51.079 it was hugely hypocritical for Roman Reigns to complain about 2515 01:59:51.159 --> 01:59:55.039 the USO's breaking up a pin on Brian and then 2516 01:59:55.159 --> 01:59:58.000 later in the show Rains break Rains break up a 2517 01:59:58.039 --> 02:00:02.399 pin on Brian, or when one of the no Rain's 2518 02:00:02.680 --> 02:00:04.520 complained about one of the usso's breaking up a pin 2519 02:00:04.560 --> 02:00:07.319 on another USSO and when Brian had the cover, and 2520 02:00:07.359 --> 02:00:09.520 then later Rain's actually broke up a pin on Brian, 2521 02:00:09.600 --> 02:00:11.520 like he literally did what he complained about the usso's 2522 02:00:11.560 --> 02:00:14.000 doing earlier. You just can't do that as a baby face, 2523 02:00:14.039 --> 02:00:17.000 and rain should be smarter to see that and pointed out, 2524 02:00:17.439 --> 02:00:19.279 you know, and he just didn't. And the other thing 2525 02:00:19.279 --> 02:00:21.079 I don't like is when rain says I went through 2526 02:00:21.119 --> 02:00:23.760 thirty guys to win the rumble, and you could say 2527 02:00:23.760 --> 02:00:27.039 it's nitpicking, but I think babyfaces need to boast about 2528 02:00:27.079 --> 02:00:29.439 what they do and not be loose with the facts. 2529 02:00:29.680 --> 02:00:32.239 You know, it's it's news anchors, Brian Williams, you gotta 2530 02:00:32.279 --> 02:00:35.520 be You can't exaggerate to put yourself over if you 2531 02:00:35.600 --> 02:00:37.800 want people to trust you. And as a lead babyface, 2532 02:00:38.079 --> 02:00:40.600 I think Rain's needs to phrase it differently and say 2533 02:00:40.720 --> 02:00:44.159 I outlasted everybody in that thirty man match, you know, 2534 02:00:44.279 --> 02:00:48.920 or something along those exactly. There are ways to say 2535 02:00:48.920 --> 02:00:50.920 it with Finesse instead of making it sound like he 2536 02:00:51.079 --> 02:00:52.960 was the number one guy in the match. He wasn't. 2537 02:00:53.119 --> 02:00:55.640 He got their mid match and he laid around and 2538 02:00:55.720 --> 02:00:58.119 then he ducked and he watched two guys canaan big 2539 02:00:58.159 --> 02:01:00.640 show self destruct and then he ducked a chart jing rusev. 2540 02:01:00.760 --> 02:01:03.000 I mean, he just didn't do enough to be bragging 2541 02:01:03.039 --> 02:01:07.479 about eliminating and out and you know, fending off thirty 2542 02:01:07.560 --> 02:01:09.760 guys or twenty nine other guys. It just did not 2543 02:01:09.920 --> 02:01:12.039 happen that way. So anyway, I mean, I just think 2544 02:01:12.079 --> 02:01:14.159 there's a lot of recovery that needs to happen on Monday, 2545 02:01:14.199 --> 02:01:16.840 a lot of recalibration, and I hope it happens. But 2546 02:01:16.920 --> 02:01:18.560 I do think last night, Jason, to just end on 2547 02:01:18.600 --> 02:01:21.199 this note, I think they got people excited about that match, 2548 02:01:21.279 --> 02:01:23.039 even with all the flaws in the last couple of 2549 02:01:23.039 --> 02:01:23.720 minutes of that show. 2550 02:01:24.039 --> 02:01:27.239 Yeah. Hey, the less that Vincent and the writers do 2551 02:01:27.359 --> 02:01:29.880 as far as the scripting dialogue for these guys, the better. 2552 02:01:29.880 --> 02:01:31.359 I mean, that's really what I took away from the 2553 02:01:31.439 --> 02:01:32.039 end of that show. 2554 02:01:32.520 --> 02:01:34.880 Yep. All right, Well, we didn't talk about much else, 2555 02:01:34.920 --> 02:01:36.560 but Fastling coming up on Sunday, I think is a 2556 02:01:36.560 --> 02:01:39.199 good excuse so people can listen to our membership audio 2557 02:01:39.920 --> 02:01:41.600 respectively if they want to hear us talk about other 2558 02:01:41.680 --> 02:01:45.119 things this week. We've gone long today, Jason. Thanks, it's 2559 02:01:45.159 --> 02:01:49.760 pleasures always absolutely very good. This Friday again, Josh Matthews 2560 02:01:49.760 --> 02:01:51.840 would be my guest on pww torch Live Cast. You 2561 02:01:51.920 --> 02:01:54.880 can email your questions too PW Torch Live Cast at 2562 02:01:55.119 --> 02:01:58.079 gmail dot com. 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