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Speaker 3: And I want to get your thoughts. Do you like
Speaker 3: the hype for Rowin Rains against Daniel Bryant? Has it
Speaker 3: made you eager to see the see the match on
Speaker 3: Sunday at Fat plane. That's question number one. But maybe
Speaker 3: a more important factor, or at least a co important factor,
Speaker 3: is does the way that Daniel Bryan has been portrayed
Speaker 3: and does the way that Roman Rains has been portrayed
Speaker 3: give you a better feeling about them as wrestlers that
Speaker 3: you that you want to follow and root for. And
Speaker 3: if not, then that's probably not great head into WrestleMania.
Speaker 3: It might set up Rock Lesler to actually be the
Speaker 3: guy who gets to your the most, so that'll be interesting. Anyway,
Speaker 3: Let's let's go ahead and go to our first caller
Speaker 3: of the day and I'll try to address it as
Speaker 3: we figure out how to get Jason Paul's phoner to
Speaker 3: show up on the switchboard the way that it should
Speaker 3: if yeah, because all I'm seeing are different area goes
Speaker 3: for the one Jason says. So anyway, let's go first
Speaker 3: to Matt from North Carolina. Matt, you were at first
Speaker 3: we had the express lane collar. Thanks for holding up.
Speaker 3: Please confirm this with you and let you know what's
Speaker 3: on your mind today.
Speaker 2: It's me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, as part of the Dane Bryan Roman Reigns thing,
Speaker 4: I fall asleep for the second week in a row
Speaker 4: watching Raw. Yeah, so I think that says that. But
Speaker 4: something I did notice was I have I clicked on
Speaker 4: Soddy's posts every now and then just to lead the
Speaker 4: comments and just see what other people think.
Speaker 5: And it went.
Speaker 4: From like when Roman Rains won the Rumble, it was
Speaker 4: everybody against Roman Reigns and poor Daniel Bryan. But since
Speaker 4: they started the storyline, yes, half the people saying they
Speaker 4: hate Daniel Brian and all Fames or cry babies, and
Speaker 4: you have half the people saying Roman Reigns or Daniel
Speaker 4: Brian better than Round Marine. So it seems to be
Speaker 4: really dividing the fans and doing that kind of what's
Speaker 4: the word I'm looking for, like whither away at both
Speaker 4: their popularity just based on reactions and like if you
Speaker 4: look online and stuff.
Speaker 6: So I'm not.
Speaker 1: Matt. Do you think, Matt, there was a way to
Speaker 1: do this without that being the effect to build up
Speaker 1: Brian and Rains, create tension between them, but do so
Speaker 1: in a way that didn't that didn't hurt their their images.
Speaker 1: I think Daniel Bryan seems like Roman Rains hadn't really
Speaker 1: been established yet. His personality, you know, he was just
Speaker 1: kind of the guy who was the coolest guy in
Speaker 1: the room but didn't have a lot to say. You know,
Speaker 1: we were just getting to know him. With Daniel Brian,
Speaker 1: it seems like he's shown a side of himself that
Speaker 1: I think has undercut what the selling point of his
Speaker 1: personality was. So do you think there was a way
Speaker 1: to pull it off more successfully but still accomplished building
Speaker 1: tension and anticipation for those who facing each other.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if they didn't have both guys out
Speaker 4: there like making fun of the other and calling out
Speaker 4: points that were true, we probably wouldn't have the problem. Because,
Speaker 4: like the whole reason that people are saying Daniel Bryan's
Speaker 4: fins or crybabies and I hate Daniel Brian. I wish
Speaker 4: he wouldn't do this is because they've booked them to
Speaker 4: look like he's stepping in and trying to steal roam
Speaker 4: and ranges right spotlight. They could have had him say
Speaker 4: you know, look you want and you know, best of
Speaker 4: luck to you, and then somehow he gets put into it,
Speaker 4: maybe like a board of directors, or there's another way
Speaker 4: to do it, like there's probably most boys.
Speaker 1: You could force Daniel Brian into the match against his
Speaker 1: volunteering and kind of pushing Rains to accept it. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a way to get Daniel Bryan into this match
Speaker 1: without it being Brian's idea. I thought Roman Reigns did
Speaker 1: a party of yeah, yeah, there you go. Yeah, have
Speaker 1: Rains go. No, No, Brian, You're right. You were the champion.
Speaker 1: And if I beat brock Lesnar at WrestleMania thirty one,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, WrestleMania, they don't have numbers. If I beat
Speaker 1: brock Lesnar at WrestleMania, then I haven't beat the guy
Speaker 1: who was champion last year. I never lost the title.
Speaker 1: So I want to face you first so that I
Speaker 1: know I belong and deserve to be at WrestleMania.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that would totally work. And then it makes Roman
Speaker 4: Reigns look like a stand up guy that he's going
Speaker 4: to look to already screwed you over. He never gave
Speaker 4: you a title shot that told you had to start
Speaker 4: back from the bottom. That's not right. I'm gonna be
Speaker 4: the best that came to give you a title shot.
Speaker 4: I'll want to face you for the right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very good. Appreciate it, Matt, appreciate the call. Yeah
Speaker 1: you got more. Yeah I was.
Speaker 4: I was just gonna say, uh, I watched that. I've
Speaker 4: been watching it for a while, but uh NXT and
Speaker 4: I watched the last pay per viewing Man, Finn Balor,
Speaker 4: what a that? That guy the star in the making.
Speaker 4: I really hope he doesn't get screwed up when they
Speaker 4: call him up because I mean, yeah, yeahs a badass insurance,
Speaker 4: but he knows his character.
Speaker 5: He's awesome in the ring.
Speaker 4: Like I'd become a huge fan of that guy. I
Speaker 4: just wanted to shoot your thoughts out on it because
Speaker 4: I haven't heard what a lot of people talk about
Speaker 4: him too much. But man, I've become a huge fan
Speaker 4: of him.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, No, I am too. As Prince Devitt, he was amazing.
Speaker 1: It's Finn Balor. I think he's the one who has
Speaker 1: had the smallest drop off in terms of what made
Speaker 1: him special outside of WWE, in terms of his being
Speaker 1: in developmental. I think there's some a little bit of
Speaker 1: Jeff Hardy to him in terms of, you know, they're
Speaker 1: kind of this enigma and trying to figure out his
Speaker 1: personality being a little mysterious. But I think there's other
Speaker 1: people that come into play. I do believe weve got
Speaker 1: Jason Powell now joining us here. Jason Powell from Pro
Speaker 1: Wrestling dot Net. Welcome to the program, Jason.
Speaker 2: Hey, I hate technology.
Speaker 1: No, no, you hate you. You love technology. You just
Speaker 1: hate the path of figuring out how it all works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, once it's all Once it's all working, then I
Speaker 2: actually like it. It's the whole process of getting there
Speaker 2: and all that that's just absolute chaos. But things sounding okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, things sound okay. I think you've been able to
Speaker 1: drop in on the program so far. What did you
Speaker 1: think of the Roman rains Daniel Bryant Dynamic on SmackDown
Speaker 1: last Thursday and Raw on Monday? Did they get better?
Speaker 1: Was it bad in both cases? Good in both cases?
Speaker 1: Your thoughts?
Speaker 2: Bad in both cases Until the very end of the show.
Speaker 2: They may have saved it for people in a perfect world,
Speaker 2: people tuned in for the overrun and missed everything leading
Speaker 2: up to it because I thought Daniel Bryan came off.
Speaker 2: I don't know about why any I don't know what
Speaker 2: the right word would be for it, But that whole
Speaker 2: victory lap around the ring doing the yes thing didn't click.
Speaker 2: He just his explanation for he's getting there, why it's
Speaker 2: okay for him to take this title match doesn't click either.
Speaker 2: And Roman Reins is still kind of Roman Reigns, but
Speaker 2: once they got into the physicality and they didn't have
Speaker 2: to rely on Vince McMahon the creative staff, I thought
Speaker 2: they did a hell of a job.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I haven't given my I've talked in
Speaker 1: circles around my thoughts, but in general, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: Jason and I talked about this at great length and
Speaker 1: nearly a one hour VIP weaight color hotline last night
Speaker 1: for VIP members. I thought, in the end, they made
Speaker 1: me want to see that match. I know that through
Speaker 1: some criticism of deservedly so, that Roman Reigns did not
Speaker 1: sell the two chair shots that Daniel Bryan gave him
Speaker 1: in the timekeepers area near the end of the show,
Speaker 1: right before he threw that elbow. But man, was that
Speaker 1: elbow that he threw. It looked really cool, and I
Speaker 1: like that Roman Reigns finally wasn't too cool to show
Speaker 1: a level of enthusiasm that did not feel rehearsed and practiced.
Speaker 1: He reacted like somebody who just scored a knockout blow
Speaker 1: in USC as an underdog, or somebody who in the
Speaker 1: NHL just scored games, you know, Game seven overtime goal.
Speaker 1: When he hit Daniel Bryan with that, it looked good
Speaker 1: and he seemed to actually feel a genuine emotion when
Speaker 1: he did it. I'm with you, though, I thought Daniel
Speaker 1: Bryan looked immature. I thought that they both acted at
Speaker 1: times petulant, at times petty, and often immature and trying
Speaker 1: to distract each other. And I just don't know that
Speaker 1: the way to build up babyfaces is to make the
Speaker 1: heel that they're fighting to battle seem like this dignified,
Speaker 1: classy sportsman who just happens to be a bad ass
Speaker 1: who kicks ass like that. Just that part of it
Speaker 1: does frustrate me, and I think that there was a
Speaker 1: better way to go about it all along, Jason. But
Speaker 1: I think again, like you said, maybe they saved it
Speaker 1: by the end.
Speaker 2: I hope so. I mean, because really the bill has
Speaker 2: been a tross. I mean, I'm looking forward to the
Speaker 2: match now that I've seen a taste of what they
Speaker 2: can do. I mean, they can't keep that pace up
Speaker 2: for the entire time they're out there, obviously, but they
Speaker 2: needed this. I mean, that had to happen at the
Speaker 2: end of that show. I'd be telling an entirely different
Speaker 2: story right now. Had it not been for the physicality
Speaker 2: of the end, I just I'd really have been disappointed
Speaker 2: by the build for this match. It was when they announced,
Speaker 2: it was kind of like, Okay, I was ready for
Speaker 2: range In Lesner, but all right, I can you know,
Speaker 2: if you're just going for the box officer or the
Speaker 2: most appealing match up possible for the February pay per view,
Speaker 2: you picked it, But then it just kind of went
Speaker 2: slowly but surely downward and then just managed to peek
Speaker 2: up at the end.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. How about Finn ballor.
Speaker 2: What about him? I think I missed a massage.
Speaker 1: Matt brought him up and just said that he loves him,
Speaker 1: he thought on NXT on the NXT special last week
Speaker 1: he was tremendous that and I commented that I think
Speaker 1: he's the talent that has come among the current crop.
Speaker 1: He's the one that has had the smallest drop off
Speaker 1: compared to what he was like outside of WWB, although
Speaker 1: that's so hard to say really, because Kevin Owens has
Speaker 1: been phenomenal, samy' Zein has been phenomenal. Adrian Neville has
Speaker 1: been there longer, but he's been really really good. So
Speaker 1: in the context of NXT. They've all been good, but
Speaker 1: Finn Balor I think is maybe the most main event
Speaker 1: ready in terms terms of a personality that will really
Speaker 1: jump out. But of course it all comes down to weather.
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Speaker 2: Jeff Hardy, Now, I mean, and I don't mean that
Speaker 2: as a knock against Valor. He sees anything but a
Speaker 2: carbon copy, but he has some of that charisma, not
Speaker 2: just the face paint, but some of the charisma that
Speaker 2: Jeff Hardy did. And then you add an amazing insurance.
Speaker 2: I mean, that is going to get over huge on
Speaker 2: the big stage with ww WEED, you know, I hope
Speaker 2: it doesn't. I hope they kind of take the approach
Speaker 2: XT where it's a special thing. It's not part of
Speaker 2: his weekly raw entrance. When that time comes he breaks
Speaker 2: it out for pay per views or even the end
Speaker 2: of major programs things like that. I hate to see
Speaker 2: that get watered down. But at the same time, and
Speaker 2: I'm just already looking forward to whether it's WrestleMania thirty
Speaker 2: two or wherever it is, you know, that big WrestleMania entrance.
Speaker 2: I think it's going to be phenomenal, excellent.
Speaker 1: Jason, you're breaking up just a little bit. You're sounding clear,
Speaker 1: and I'm also hearing some weird sound effects that may
Speaker 1: be your Skype. So one thing that I know that Actually,
Speaker 1: when I was on the BBC a couple sundays ago
Speaker 1: talking about the whole cancel hashtake canceled WWB, first thing
Speaker 1: they told me when I called on Skype was make
Speaker 1: sure every other app you've quit, nothing else is running
Speaker 1: in the background and that'll guarantee the strongest signal. I
Speaker 1: know we're just kind of experimenting with all this right now,
Speaker 1: but that is something to think about. And on that note,
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Speaker 1: Net as usual, has joined me on the program. Let's uh,
Speaker 1: let's go to our next caller here and let's see
Speaker 1: who did I have picked out just a minute ago
Speaker 1: before reading our spot from our Friendsvegas dot com. Uh No,
Speaker 1: I don't see the number anymore, so let's grab a uh,
Speaker 1: let's grab a different line. Let's go to Eric code
Speaker 1: two oh nine. I believe this is Air calling Eric.
Speaker 1: You're up next. Thanks for calling. Just confirm this is you.
Speaker 5: Hey, guys, you ask to me, how's it going?
Speaker 1: Very good? You're calling from Stockton, California. What have you
Speaker 1: got for us today?
Speaker 7: I am so.
Speaker 5: I have two things actually once, kind of a two parter.
Speaker 5: So if I were to set the over under on
Speaker 5: Charlotte's call up to be WrestleMania, would you guys take
Speaker 5: the over or the under on that? And how do
Speaker 5: you think they might change your gimmick because it seems
Speaker 5: the WWE tweaks the gimmicks of all their NXT call ups.
Speaker 5: Then I got another question after that.
Speaker 1: Sure, Sure, good topic, Jason. I don't think it's a
Speaker 1: good time to debut on the main roster during WrestleMania season.
Speaker 1: I think he get lost in the shuffle. I think
Speaker 1: there's guys on the main roster who have been working
Speaker 1: hard all year for WrestleMania match, traveling at house shows,
Speaker 1: you know, putting in the time, and it can even
Speaker 1: build up a little resentment if you come in and
Speaker 1: take a spot and then somebody else gets knocked out.
Speaker 1: I think the best chance for any call up from
Speaker 1: NXT is right after WrestleMania, maybe even waiting till May
Speaker 1: or June. But I don't think they'll chang Charlotte's gimick,
Speaker 1: especially with Rick Flair in good graces. It seems once
Speaker 1: again it's always a rocky road with him. But that
Speaker 1: segment for Blach last night, I think featured Flair nicely,
Speaker 1: So I would think Charlotte will probably keep the same
Speaker 1: gimmick and not have that tweaked.
Speaker 2: What do you think, Yeah, I would say over I
Speaker 2: guess you can't rule out the possibility they try to
Speaker 2: make a splash with her at WrestleMania, but I would
Speaker 2: much prefer it takes place after I kind of also
Speaker 2: want to I wouldn't mind if she stays down there
Speaker 2: a little longer. I know Rick says she's ready in
Speaker 2: an interview that he did, and I think she's come
Speaker 2: a long way, but I don't think there's any need
Speaker 2: to run. I want to see the Diva's division ready
Speaker 2: for I'll see the preciation of this overhaul, just you know,
Speaker 2: sling and miss with her and she just becomes any
Speaker 2: other deep and I don't improve for her promo game
Speaker 2: a little. I mean, she's come a long way, but
Speaker 2: I just there's no need to rush it. It doesn't
Speaker 2: have to be a day after WrestleMania thing at all.
Speaker 1: Eric, what does to be out for? So I'll take
Speaker 1: the other by the way, Eric.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So the other thing was I was wondering if
Speaker 5: you guys think we could possibly see two screwy finishes
Speaker 5: at Bastling. I say that because Senior Russev was supposedly
Speaker 5: penciled in for Mania, So in order for them to
Speaker 5: get to that at Mania, there'd have to be some
Speaker 5: kind of unclean finish between the two, I would think.
Speaker 5: And then the other one would be they might have
Speaker 5: to do a triple threat with Brian, Rains and Lessner,
Speaker 5: because neither Rains or Lesner really can carry a match
Speaker 5: by themselves. They both need somebody like Brian to be
Speaker 5: involved in the match.
Speaker 1: Jason, I'll let you take this one first, give me
Speaker 1: that one again. I was just tweaking with Oh No,
Speaker 1: I knew that was gonna happen the one time it throwny. First,
Speaker 1: he asked if the there'll be two different screw job
Speaker 1: finishes of sorts unclean finishes at Mania, sure, with Sena
Speaker 1: Russev and having to move forward with that, and then
Speaker 1: the possibility of not having a clean finish between Brian
Speaker 1: and Rains.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rich Hans I think that be. I would say,
Speaker 2: there's there's also a chance so that Rusev beats scene somehow,
Speaker 2: it may it may be a little bit screwy if
Speaker 2: they I mean, if they want to continue to tell
Speaker 2: the stories that they kind of dropped last night, that
Speaker 2: he's this old guy now and how's he getting beat
Speaker 2: the new guy? Well, I have the new guy beat
Speaker 2: him and then what so ye. It would free them
Speaker 2: up to say it's a non title match at WrestleMania
Speaker 2: if they don't want to put the US Championship on
Speaker 2: John Cena. If they're going to have him there, he
Speaker 2: Roossa beats and wants second match is non TI title
Speaker 2: from a personal thing and you ignore the US title,
Speaker 2: which they normally do anyway. And then main event. Wait,
Speaker 2: I I just don't have any real idea what they're
Speaker 2: going to do There's it wouldn't surprise me if it
Speaker 2: becomes a triple threat, as it has been rumored. I
Speaker 2: think that's the safest option for them. And yeah, you're
Speaker 2: probably going to get them sort of a as match.
Speaker 1: Jason, Thanks, You're starting to break up even more. And
Speaker 1: I'm not quite sure why, because it sounds like you
Speaker 1: clicked on the Skype option to call directly into the
Speaker 1: site and I do not know why when you called
Speaker 1: directly in before, your number did not show up. But
Speaker 1: if you can call Jason, if you can call my
Speaker 1: cell phone number with your Skype number, then I'll be
Speaker 1: able to see what number shows up, and then I
Speaker 1: can look for that on the switchboard. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: I can't even understand all my regular Yeah you could.
Speaker 1: That's fine too, Yep, Okay, we'll do that. Yeah. For
Speaker 1: some reason, Jason's Skype connection just was not solid enough
Speaker 1: and in getting progressively worse. So we'll have Jason called
Speaker 1: back and we'll figure this out another time. Okay. So
Speaker 1: I think that, uh that Eric, did we cover that
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that'll do it. I just want to know what
Speaker 5: you guys thought about that. Yeah, what about Shirtsha, what
Speaker 5: do you think about the possibility?
Speaker 1: Yeah? I think that based on Seena dominating Russev raw
Speaker 1: last night in the even Stephen way wwe often books,
Speaker 1: I think that might be a sign Russev goes over
Speaker 1: on Sena Sina. I think if he's gonna lose, he's
Speaker 1: gonna lose in a way that gives him a message
Speaker 1: to give to his fans that he's gonna fight back. Differently,
Speaker 1: it's sort of like with Lesnar at SummerSlam and the
Speaker 1: story he told him, the comeback he made. So I
Speaker 1: Thinka's character is built around his fans feeling a sense
Speaker 1: of adversity and then him saying I'm going to get
Speaker 1: back up again, brush myself off, and fight again. So
Speaker 1: I kind of think that'll happen. I really don't know
Speaker 1: how they're going to get to a three way match
Speaker 1: if they go that route. I don't know if if
Speaker 1: it involves I hope not, but Shamus doing something or
Speaker 1: you know, getting involved, I hope not. It could just
Speaker 1: be one of those I don't want to say cheesy
Speaker 1: because they're not always cheesy, but they can be the
Speaker 1: back suplex where both guys' shoulders are down and for
Speaker 1: some reason there's two referees, one counting on each side.
Speaker 1: It seems like it's been a little while since we've
Speaker 1: seen that, so possibly they go that route, but I
Speaker 1: think there's I think there's a better chance we see
Speaker 1: a clean finish and seene a Rocep I'll put I'll
Speaker 1: put it that way, and and then I if and
Speaker 1: it could be a clean finish if they want rains
Speaker 1: Lesnar one on one because they think Rains has looked
Speaker 1: good the last couple of weeks, and they feel better
Speaker 1: about him being one on one now and they want
Speaker 1: to do something else with Brian. I mean, I could
Speaker 1: see Rains going over clean and Brian being instructed and
Speaker 1: doing so as a good employer, a good employee, I
Speaker 1: should say, just raising Rains his hands and going, hey,
Speaker 1: this guy beat me. More power to them. So well,
Speaker 1: we'll see. I'm I like that I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going to happen, and I like that I don't see
Speaker 1: it the one like, just one obvious path to get
Speaker 1: to various places. So I'll be watching and hopefully word
Speaker 1: doesn't get out what's going to happen, because I'm not
Speaker 1: a fan of spoilers when it comes to big matches.
Speaker 1: You know, it's not it's not important for me to
Speaker 1: know a finish ahead of time. I think that kind
Speaker 1: of undercuts the enjoyment of the process, just like getting
Speaker 1: spoilers on anything. You know that any TV show, any
Speaker 1: weekly series, or a sporting event you taped down DVR
Speaker 1: and you're trying to avoid the score, whatever it is.
Speaker 1: So I hope word doesn't get out in wwwe keeps
Speaker 1: a tab on it. And those who here don't don't
Speaker 1: widely report it without spoiler corrections or warnings if word
Speaker 1: gets out. That said, even when we get spoilers, they're
Speaker 1: wrong about a third of the time. So either consentsting
Speaker 1: Man changes his mind, or bad information linked out. So therefore,
Speaker 1: I'm just looking forward to Sunday, the last match that
Speaker 1: I pretty much knew the outcome of. Well maybe the
Speaker 1: World Rumble, you know, that was pretty pretty darn predictable.
Speaker 1: But there was I think more of a chance that
Speaker 1: that Rains wasn't going to win than a year ago
Speaker 1: with Batista. I think you ago with Batista was pretty
Speaker 1: obvious that he was going to win. All right, let's
Speaker 1: keep going through the phone calls here and bring Jason
Speaker 1: back in the phone phone or back into the conversation here.
Speaker 1: Jason is is you?
Speaker 2: It is me?
Speaker 1: Okay, yep, So let's now go to Eric code two
Speaker 1: five six, next, two five six. Thanks for calling. Please
Speaker 1: state your name and where you're calling from.
Speaker 2: The name name.
Speaker 1: Hello, yep, that's you. Please state your name and where
Speaker 1: you're calling from.
Speaker 8: Oh, I'm calling from the big Alabama. From Alabama here,
Speaker 8: it's all about no Rathlin, I'm real huge on the
Speaker 8: Roma rain character. You know, good looking guy. I mean
Speaker 8: I'm good looking myself with both tall and I light
Speaker 8: the way there, you know, going with the direction of it.
Speaker 8: Letting him be the big bull pit bull. Let him
Speaker 8: be the face of the company, the brand and everything else.
Speaker 8: And I'm fully supporting at all. I'm fully supported.
Speaker 1: All right, So we got to vote for Roman Reigns
Speaker 1: beating Lesner, beating Brian and then beating Lesner. That's your stance.
Speaker 8: That is my fan. He's gonna run through all of
Speaker 8: them like X like X flats, going through a through
Speaker 8: a hollow woman. He's going through it all, through the whole.
Speaker 1: All right, very good. We're gonna keep her on to calls.
Speaker 1: We've got a lot of people on hole today. Let's
Speaker 1: move next to eight one six eight one six. Lease
Speaker 1: states your name and where you're calling from.
Speaker 9: Trump's from Kansas City, Travis.
Speaker 1: What have you got for us today?
Speaker 7: I have a question, do you guys.
Speaker 9: How hard do you think Romans and Brant are going
Speaker 9: into BESTLA mean their character?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is a good topic. Let me bring Jason
Speaker 1: in on that, because it is I think I shouldn't
Speaker 1: say indisputably, but anyways, but I think that some damage
Speaker 1: has been done, especially to Daniel Brian, based on the
Speaker 1: way that he's gone about getting this match. And I
Speaker 1: was a little surprised, Jason, and were you when Roman
Speaker 1: Rains brought it up and said he should have stepped down,
Speaker 1: stepped away like a man and let the Row Rumble
Speaker 1: winner get his WrestleMania Maine event. I didn't think Roman
Speaker 1: Rains was whining when he said that. I thought he
Speaker 1: was pointing out a truth, and I thought it made
Speaker 1: Daniel Bryan look bad. And then Daniel Brian's response was
Speaker 1: he was kind of obnoxious about it, and so to me,
Speaker 1: I do think Daniel Brian has been damaged by this,
Speaker 1: even though, and this is the complicated, nuanced part of it, Jason,
Speaker 1: is we've all been asking for Brian to kind of
Speaker 1: stand up for himself a little more, not be such
Speaker 1: a pushover. But I think he's strayed a little bit
Speaker 1: away from what made him so likable to begin with.
Speaker 2: He's standing up for himself, but at the same time,
Speaker 2: there's not a good line of defense. He doesn't have
Speaker 2: a good crown to stand on, and so yeah, it's
Speaker 2: rain shouldn't have brought it up that shouldn't have been scripted.
Speaker 2: I just think it's an obvious flaw in the storyline.
Speaker 2: But if you don't have a good explanation for it,
Speaker 2: and they did not, then you don't go there and
Speaker 2: leave it alone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I'm with you. I'm with you.
Speaker 1: All right, Let's keep rolling through Calls's got a lot
Speaker 1: of people on hold, and I appreciate all the colors
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Speaker 1: next to Eric code four seven four seven. Please state
Speaker 1: your name of the city you're calling from. Four oh
Speaker 1: seven oh four oh seven. Disconnected? Maybe cold Feet? No problem.
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Speaker 1: Let's go next to eight to one and then on
Speaker 1: deck two five to one, eight to one. Please speak
Speaker 1: your name and where you're calling from.
Speaker 11: My name is Derek, comes from Uto, Derek from Utah.
Speaker 1: And on Twitter? Also, what have you got for us?
Speaker 11: Oh, I kind of have to disagree with you.
Speaker 1: I remembered what you were saying on Twitter. Go ahead, though,
Speaker 1: we love that point of view.
Speaker 11: Yeah, that's that's just kind of how I am. No,
Speaker 11: I don't agree with Danny Brian petulant. I guess that's
Speaker 11: my perception, but I think I would say he's being
Speaker 11: a lot more assertive, and I think in them in
Speaker 11: the months leading up to us comeback, we all talked
Speaker 11: about how he should demand that he gets his rematch,
Speaker 11: because that's kind of always been in the narrative of
Speaker 11: WWE is a challenger or someone who loses the belt
Speaker 11: deserves a rematch, And I think he definitely deserves a rematch.
Speaker 11: And the fact that he brought that up and was
Speaker 11: assertive enough to do so and confident enough to do so.
Speaker 11: I think his solid ground to stand on, as Jason said,
Speaker 11: he doesn't have. I think a rematch his concrete ground
Speaker 11: to stand on.
Speaker 1: But Eric, let me jump in and because I want
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on this is getting his rematch
Speaker 1: is shouldn't Daniel Bryan, as a babyface with integrity which
Speaker 1: babyfaces should have and a sense of fairness get his
Speaker 1: title rematch from the authority without taking something away from
Speaker 1: Roman Reigns, which he did do. He took something away
Speaker 1: from Roman Reigns by getting Roman Reigns to put his
Speaker 1: WrestleMania Maine event at stake in a match against him.
Speaker 1: What Rains and Brian should do is stand next to
Speaker 1: each other in front of Triple H and Daniel Brian
Speaker 1: should look at at Triple H and say Roman Rains
Speaker 1: gets the title shot that he won at the Rumble, which,
Speaker 1: by the way, is what Daniel Bryan said the day
Speaker 1: after the Rumble on that snowed in raw. So when
Speaker 1: do I get my match? Is it going to before WrestleMania?
Speaker 1: So maybe I beat Lesner and then I'm the one
Speaker 1: facing Rains at WrestleMania, or are you going to wait
Speaker 1: until after WrestleMania when I face the winner of Rains
Speaker 1: against Lesner. To me, that's how Daniel Bryan stays clean
Speaker 1: in this situation.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and I would agree with that. I think that's
Speaker 11: definitely a logical viewpoint. But as a human, I think
Speaker 11: and as the competitive nature of what we kind of
Speaker 11: demand from WWE superstars or professional wrestlers is I want
Speaker 11: to be the main event of the biggest show of
Speaker 11: the year. That's what everyone should strive for. And the
Speaker 11: fact that he wants to bring that up and has
Speaker 11: legitimate ground to stand on given that he deserves a rematch,
Speaker 11: I think that's fine. Why did he enter the Royal
Speaker 11: Rumble A good point, I'll give you that, definitely, And
Speaker 11: I think that is the from the narrative, is that
Speaker 11: he when he came back, it wasn't about a rematch.
Speaker 11: It was about I'm going to win the Royal Rumble,
Speaker 11: and then when he lost the Rumble, well, now I
Speaker 11: want my rematch so I can.
Speaker 1: And I think that's the problem with the authority too,
Speaker 1: is Triple H and Stephanie kind of again came across
Speaker 1: as the smartest people in the room when they basically
Speaker 1: laughed at Daniel Bryan for foolishly entering the Rumble when Hunter, now,
Speaker 1: maybe he was being disingenuous because heels aren't honest, especially
Speaker 1: heels with power, but Hunter just kind of mocked Daniel, going,
Speaker 1: why you enter the rumble? We would give you a
Speaker 1: title match, and that sort of prompts the question, well,
Speaker 1: why did entering the Rumble cost him his automatic title match?
Speaker 1: You know, I mean he can enter the Rumble because
Speaker 1: he wants to headline WrestleMania as the challenger rather than
Speaker 1: another show. I guess you could make that case, Derek.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why he and Jason maybe that's why he
Speaker 1: answered the rumble because his preference would be to do
Speaker 1: it at Mania and I prove he was back. But
Speaker 1: either way, my big thing is entering the Rumble should
Speaker 1: not storyline wise, so just qualified him from getting the
Speaker 1: title rematch that he's owed at some point.
Speaker 11: Yeah, and then, you know, in the Roman rains viewpoint too,
Speaker 11: I think needs to be looked at because the big
Speaker 11: decision after the Rumble was you know, does this guy
Speaker 11: is this guy worthy of being the main eventor of
Speaker 11: the biggest show of the Year and Roman Reigns he
Speaker 11: needs to prove that, and he needs to prove that
Speaker 11: in storyline, and he also needs to prove that to
Speaker 11: everyone who was watching him from Afar. And the best
Speaker 11: way to do that is is the Russell Daniel Bryan
Speaker 11: then proved that not only that he can keep up
Speaker 11: from a race.
Speaker 1: You know what, Yeah, but this is what I would say.
Speaker 1: I think the best way for Roman Reigns to establish
Speaker 1: that he deserves that match against brock Lesn at WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: The best thing for Roman Rains to do would have
Speaker 1: been not to sit and lean on the bottom rope
Speaker 1: for a good portion of the time that the rumble
Speaker 1: was going on a match that he won. A good
Speaker 1: way for Roman Reigns to prove he deserved the main
Speaker 1: event at the at WrestleMania was to have him eliminate
Speaker 1: Caanaan Big Show, not because Kanaan Big Show were bing
Speaker 1: and bickering and arguing, but because Roman Reigns took him
Speaker 1: on and beat them and tossed him over the top rope.
Speaker 1: And a good way for Roman Rains to prove he
Speaker 1: belonged to the main event to WrestleMania would have been
Speaker 1: to not have Rock come out and create whatever distraction
Speaker 1: that was before Rusev snuck in, snuck back in and
Speaker 1: Rains eliminated him. And I'd like to have seen Rains
Speaker 1: put in a few minutes of wrestling and battle with Russev,
Speaker 1: you know, battle him for a few minutes so that
Speaker 1: he actually won something without just simply standing in one
Speaker 1: spot and ducking as Roussev flew over the top rope,
Speaker 1: which is you know, essentially what happened, So all of
Speaker 1: that's there, And then I would add on to that
Speaker 1: that's the best way have Roman Reigns actually put in
Speaker 1: a memorable effort, a real hard working effort in the Rumble.
Speaker 1: But once he won the Rumble, the best way for
Speaker 1: Rains to look like he deserves the WrestleMania match isn't
Speaker 1: to him and Haw and acknowledge that a crowd in
Speaker 1: Philadelphia didn't like it. The best way is WWE to
Speaker 1: produce music videos and interviews that shine a good light
Speaker 1: on him and put him in situations where he looks
Speaker 1: dominant and have a discussion about how he won the
Speaker 1: Rumble and the rule is headline Mania and get us
Speaker 1: excited about that match. And you know what, they took
Speaker 1: step one in that in the Blizzard raw at the headquarters.
Speaker 1: That's what I was the most excited about Rains against
Speaker 1: Lesnar and when even just twenty four hours after the Rumble,
Speaker 1: less than about twenty one hours after the Rumble, I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: you know what, I wasn't so crazy about this match yesterday,
Speaker 1: but they're starting to convince me. And then they blinked
Speaker 1: and VI SmackDown on Thursday. They completely changed plans and
Speaker 1: now all they've done is acknowledged to the entire massive
Speaker 1: WWE universe that Roman Reigns has something more to prove
Speaker 1: besides winning the Rumble, and that's a story WWE chose
Speaker 1: to tell that way. But I think Rain should have
Speaker 1: been without a doubt the guy as on television, and
Speaker 1: WWE should have used their platform and their years and
Speaker 1: decades of experience to make fans believe it. Of course,
Speaker 1: there's going to be some doubters. I think they've created
Speaker 1: more doubters Jason by the path that they've taken, Yeah
Speaker 1: for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean they're basically telling you that this guy's
Speaker 2: not popular, that his Royal Rumble win was tainted. It's
Speaker 2: been bad. I mean, it just and the whole Daniel
Speaker 2: Bryan scenario as well that he's bringing up. It's just
Speaker 2: we can go back and reach for reasons why to
Speaker 2: try to make this make sense. They should be doing this.
Speaker 2: That's their job is to come up with infill these
Speaker 2: logic gaps, and they're doing a poor job of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Derek, anything else you want to add before
Speaker 1: we move on to the next caller.
Speaker 11: Oh, you know, I won't disagree with your points. But
Speaker 11: one more point I'd like to make is, you know,
Speaker 11: if Roland Rains is going to be this this new
Speaker 11: super babyface, I like that idea of the alpha male
Speaker 11: who doesn't want to depth the challenger and the alpha
Speaker 11: male who Yeah, Daniel Bryant, you think you deserve a rematch, Well,
Speaker 11: I can beat you because I'm better than you. And
Speaker 11: from a storyline perspective, I think that's the end result
Speaker 11: of fast laying is let's see two alpha males who
Speaker 11: want to fight to be the best, and I'll pay
Speaker 11: to see that, and hopefully that's what we get on Sunday.
Speaker 1: Derek, I really appreciate you providing your point of view today.
Speaker 11: All Right, you guys have a nice dake.
Speaker 1: Absolutely and I actually think we agree on a lot
Speaker 1: of things and just have a couple of disagreements. Uh,
Speaker 1: but mostly I think we found some common ground. Jason,
Speaker 1: it it I think some of it is. You know,
Speaker 1: if Roman Rains told Daniel Brian, you know what you
Speaker 1: deserved the title shot, you got stripped after WrestleMania, and
Speaker 1: Roman was one to say in heck, you defended the
Speaker 1: title more often in a few weeks than Lesner has
Speaker 1: in a year or or since summers you know, since SummerSlam.
Speaker 1: You you you deserve an opportunity, another opportunity to headline WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: And I want to prove to fans that I that
Speaker 1: I deserve. This included that, including the doubters out there.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a way for Roman Rains to be
Speaker 1: the alpha and take the lead. I just don't like
Speaker 1: the idea that Daniel Brian pressured him and Rains was
Speaker 1: suckered and manipulated by the authority into doing something against
Speaker 1: his better interest. So Derek scenario works better than what
Speaker 1: the it.
Speaker 12: Did, it does.
Speaker 2: I mean, at the same time, you know they're trying
Speaker 2: to fill that last night too by having him, you know,
Speaker 2: basically say he knew what was going on, and he
Speaker 2: chose to do this, and I'm like, well, why didn't
Speaker 2: they have him say this two weeks ago or whenever
Speaker 2: they came up with this kakamami approach to getting to WrestleMania.
Speaker 2: The strange path they're taking this has been bad. I mean,
Speaker 2: I would hope that there's serious discussions about this within WWE,
Speaker 2: and if it's Vince, then I guess you just got
Speaker 2: to shrug your shoulders and go along with it. But
Speaker 2: I'm really amazed at just how many holes there are here,
Speaker 2: and then you see them desperately trying to fill them.
Speaker 2: And usually that's you know, they're good about it. If
Speaker 2: they make a mistake, they can come up with something
Speaker 2: that we can at least go okay, they're trying to
Speaker 2: cover it. For this time around, there's just there's still
Speaker 2: all these storyline gaps, and then the ones they even
Speaker 2: when they've tried to fill some of them, they don't
Speaker 2: make much sense.
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Speaker 2: We probably has like, you know, seventy five more in
Speaker 2: the can.
Speaker 1: Well that's a good point. Yeah, with all the tapings
Speaker 1: they did, Somojo leaves TNA and his farewell match will
Speaker 1: be August fifteenth, twenty fifteen on Destination America. Hey, they
Speaker 1: stayed in business and ratings seem to be pretty solid.
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Speaker 1: Back to the phone lines we go for more discussion
Speaker 1: about an interesting week in pro wrestling, with a lot
Speaker 1: more yet to come. Let's go next to Eric Code
Speaker 1: seven to one to three. This is Arcade Lione at
Speaker 1: dot net member Arcade, Welcome back to the program.
Speaker 6: Hey, gentlemen, what's going on?
Speaker 1: Thanks for calling.
Speaker 6: I had two questions. I know months ago people were asking,
Speaker 6: y' all you know the Ruman reigns ready for the
Speaker 6: main event WrestleMania, And I know Jason, especially you would
Speaker 6: just say get back to me WrestleMania season. We're not
Speaker 6: sure yet. He needs time and unfortunately he got injured,
Speaker 6: and I think that injury kind of set him back
Speaker 6: the ways. But if you have the choice, do you
Speaker 6: go with somebody who's not ready like Rumman, or do
Speaker 6: you put him on the back burner and go with
Speaker 6: somebody who is ready like Daniel Bryan And my second
Speaker 6: question is does Seth Rowlins need to need to win
Speaker 6: when he cashes in the running the Bank contract in
Speaker 6: order to continue his momentum as for the past three months,
Speaker 6: or if he loses, does he lose more than what
Speaker 6: he gains?
Speaker 1: And that's all I got, all right, Jason, you want
Speaker 1: to tackle that first intriguing possibility also Seth Rollins finding
Speaker 1: a way to cash in and become champion, leading to
Speaker 1: a four way match sometime in the next few months
Speaker 1: too with the rains Brian Lesner and Seth. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're going to use a four way match
Speaker 1: with Lesner, but it is kind of a four person
Speaker 1: title picture right now.
Speaker 2: It's you know, we'll start with the first one and yeah,
Speaker 2: eguation with Ramsey, I mean going back to that, going
Speaker 2: back to the rumble, I was saying, go with Daniel Bryant.
Speaker 2: He's not ready, and I don't think it's so much
Speaker 2: the layoff, because I think the layoff could have been
Speaker 2: a positive from the storytelling standpoint. I mean, we've been
Speaker 2: seeing them fumble around with him wrestling Big Show and
Speaker 2: Kane since his return, and I really believe that's what
Speaker 2: he would have been doing the whole time. Anyway, you
Speaker 2: throw in one other opponent, So I think it should
Speaker 2: have been a time where people actually missed this guy.
Speaker 2: They kind of let him get his feet under him
Speaker 2: as far as his character's concerned, and they bring him
Speaker 2: back in a big way. They failed. They failed this guy.
Speaker 2: I mean, he has his own shortcomings, but creatively they
Speaker 2: have done a poor job. And even if he gets
Speaker 2: let's say, just for the sake of argument, he goes
Speaker 2: on and as a singles match with leslerd at Mania
Speaker 2: and things go really well, I still don't have any
Speaker 2: confidence that he's the right guy going forward. Maybe he
Speaker 2: grows into the role, but I think there's some rock
Speaker 2: it's a rocky road ahead for him.
Speaker 1: And how about number two Steth Rollins. Does he need
Speaker 1: to cash in?
Speaker 2: I think it's you know, I would like to if
Speaker 2: Lesner's leaving, and I guess yeah, I would like to see.
Speaker 2: That's the most appealing option to me. It's if Lesnar stays.
Speaker 2: I think Rock Lesner should hold that championship. And I
Speaker 2: don't know how you have Rollins cash. Maybe cash is
Speaker 2: in during the match and eight fails, you know, but
Speaker 2: I think you have Lesner hold onto the championship to
Speaker 2: be sticking around if he's not. Yeah, I want to
Speaker 2: see Seth Rollins cash in on either Daniel Bryan or
Speaker 2: Roman Rings. I think that's the way to play it,
Speaker 2: either at Mania or shortly thereafter, even the next night.
Speaker 2: And because I just think Rollins is the best thing
Speaker 2: they have going as a heel right now, all those
Speaker 2: ready made programs with so many different people, I think
Speaker 2: he's the best bet rather than Rains or Daniel Bryan.
Speaker 1: Let's go next to Eric code four oh seven four seven.
Speaker 1: Thanks for holding. Please state to name and where you're
Speaker 1: calling from.
Speaker 13: Hey guys, this is Kyle out from Lakeland.
Speaker 1: Kyle from Lakeland. Yeah, yeah, go ahead, Kel, speak up
Speaker 1: a little bit.
Speaker 13: I'm trouble hearing you, all right, I'm driving in the
Speaker 13: lane here, Orlando.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well stay safe first and foremost.
Speaker 14: Yeah. Uh.
Speaker 13: My question had to do with kind of the way
Speaker 13: that NXT is being perceived has so much more superior
Speaker 13: to the main roster. I know, Uh, we kind of
Speaker 13: have this discussion every time there's an NXT special. Do
Speaker 13: you think that it's that it's never gonna get to
Speaker 13: the point where the frustration ever boils over? You know,
Speaker 13: the Triple H's doing so well got in Orlando, and
Speaker 13: the main robster has so many problems? Or is that
Speaker 13: just the product of itfteen one hour a week with
Speaker 13: an occasional special.
Speaker 1: The last thing you said is part of it, but
Speaker 1: it's not all of it, you know. I think some
Speaker 1: people Jason look at Nystein go, well, you know, if
Speaker 1: WW only had to put on two good hours every
Speaker 1: two or three months and only had one hour to
Speaker 1: fill the rest of the time, you know, then then
Speaker 1: they could put their best wood forward every two to
Speaker 1: three months and they'd be spectacular because you wouldn't be
Speaker 1: so that that the top stars wouldn't be so overexposed.
Speaker 1: But there's more to it than that. But that's part
Speaker 1: of it, right Jason.
Speaker 2: It is, man, that's a big question going forward, when
Speaker 2: when and if that day comes or Hunter takes over,
Speaker 2: you know, how does he do with five hours of
Speaker 2: meaningful television and you know, basing him on a weekly basis.
Speaker 1: Exactly, or or if Hunter takes over. I mean, Vince
Speaker 1: is only sixty nine, and if he's eighty nine years
Speaker 1: old and still running WWE, Triple H is going to
Speaker 1: be in the sixties and he might be retired. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is a questionaid.
Speaker 2: Winter, if you know I mean exactly. It's fancy may
Speaker 2: live here and may out live Triple H for all
Speaker 2: we know. And with Hunter, I just I guess. I
Speaker 2: hope that if there's a transition, Hunter's not completely out
Speaker 2: of touch. But by the time that transition occurs, that's
Speaker 2: a good point.
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Speaker 1: think that NXT has talent? Bruce Mitchell talked about this
Speaker 1: yesterday with Travis Bryant on pw torch Live cast the
Speaker 1: Money Edition before Raw, that NXT doesn't have talent that
Speaker 1: can translate into top stars in WWE, that the not
Speaker 1: main roster type of talent, and that therefore and for
Speaker 1: other reasons, NXT is more of promotion just to try
Speaker 1: to co opt hardcore fans and maybe take a little
Speaker 1: something away from the other outside groups and they get
Speaker 1: more credit for developing their own stars. Bruce can make
Speaker 1: his argument better than I just did, but is because
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily agree that NXT is not valuable for
Speaker 1: the main roster if it's producing borderline top tier stars
Speaker 1: or really really good top of the second tier stars,
Speaker 1: Like I don't think that you need to have the
Speaker 1: next John Cena in the pipeline all the time for
Speaker 1: NXT to seem like a genuine effort to create main
Speaker 1: roster talent.
Speaker 2: You don't. And I think the issue here is that
Speaker 2: the nxts, the guys that are, you know, on the
Speaker 2: verge of being elevated, we don't see them as Vince
Speaker 2: McMahon types. You know, that's kind of the issue here.
Speaker 2: I think if it's a different vision for WWE, these
Speaker 2: guys could be top stars. You know, maybe not all
Speaker 2: of them, so we're going to do better than others.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't any reason why why Sammy's Ain
Speaker 2: couldn't have some you know, maybe not the same success
Speaker 2: as Daniel Bryant, but approaching that certainly. Finn Balor, I mean,
Speaker 2: there's there's a list of very talented people down there.
Speaker 2: I mean, I question, is Triple Lake setting this up
Speaker 2: for when he takes over or is he you know,
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like he's certainly not taking the John
Speaker 2: Laurnidis approach of going and finding a bunch of muscle
Speaker 2: bound guys that look like they all belong in some
Speaker 2: strip strip club ad together. He's not doing that. He's
Speaker 2: just going out and getting the best independent talent. But
Speaker 2: let's see where this is at a few years from now.
Speaker 2: Is he still going aggressively after independent talent or is
Speaker 2: it just that's how you get to sing on the
Speaker 2: map and then you slowly but surely start to recruit
Speaker 2: more of those athlete types as he talked about, and
Speaker 2: and kind of start from scratch with some guys. I mean,
Speaker 2: NXT may be different a few years from now. I
Speaker 2: just don't know what the future holds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think they're kind of the very small
Speaker 1: roster of talent that's featured on NXT, because it's not
Speaker 1: a deep roster. I mean, it's, you know, aly a
Speaker 1: dozen guys who are regularly on the NXT program. There's
Speaker 1: other people in developmental and when those guys are ready,
Speaker 1: they'll get filtered in. And it could at any given
Speaker 1: time this could be looked on and look back on
Speaker 1: as a glory period for NXT, and the next two
Speaker 1: or three guys who dominate television can't have the Sammy's
Speaker 1: and Adrian Neville, Finn Balor Jdeo, Tommy Kevin Owens level matches.
Speaker 1: I think that these five that I just named are
Speaker 1: gonna be probably the measuring stick for every group of
Speaker 1: top four or five guys in NXT for years to come.
Speaker 1: It's just a special time for them. But there might
Speaker 1: be a time when NXT's less entertaining, but it's more
Speaker 1: valuable in the sense that it's it's producing and grooming
Speaker 1: the next Roman Reigns, the next Batista, the next John Cena,
Speaker 1: the next Edge, the next you know, pick your next
Speaker 1: triple eighth, you know, the tall guy that fits what
Speaker 1: Vincickmann looks for. All right, back to the phone lines.
Speaker 1: Let's go to Ericode two five to one to five one.
Speaker 1: Please state your name in the city you're calling from.
Speaker 9: Heyway, this is Brian from Fairhope, Alabamay.
Speaker 1: Brian, thanks for Colin. What have you got for Jason?
Speaker 9: Hey well, Waite, I really like a lot of your
Speaker 9: changes that you made to your audio programs, especially on
Speaker 9: your daily updates.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well great the audio quality, you mean.
Speaker 9: The quality the intros that you're putting in the new
Speaker 9: intro music, which kind of gives me kind of like
Speaker 9: a Midnight Express sort of nostalgie above.
Speaker 1: Uh here for once, you know, Well it's there.
Speaker 11: The teas is neat.
Speaker 9: I really like it. Three things One could you tell
Speaker 9: us about anything more with the new Creative Vice president's
Speaker 9: bureaucrat whatever they have for WWE. I've heard that she's
Speaker 9: a vote splitter between Vincent Hunter or something. I haven't
Speaker 9: seen anything that screams wow Creative has done anything different
Speaker 9: before the announcement. Also, one thing that I mean when
Speaker 9: you ask if we like the current state of the
Speaker 9: Daniel Brian Roman Range feud, which week they've not had
Speaker 9: a consistent story from one week to the next. I
Speaker 9: kind of like this week, but I don't know if
Speaker 9: I'll be around, And I really don't know if they
Speaker 9: know how to book a babyface like Brian who isn't
Speaker 9: all about ruthless aggression and who actually seems like content
Speaker 9: and doesn't need his approval from from anywhere else, that
Speaker 9: just likes what he does. And I think that kind
Speaker 9: of bites them in the tale for how to promote
Speaker 9: a guy like that.
Speaker 7: And I think that.
Speaker 9: They're freezing Brockwesterner out of fast Lane and they don't
Speaker 9: know what to do with him or what he's going
Speaker 9: to do for his contract. And once they have that
Speaker 9: decision that will determine what happens to the main event
Speaker 9: of WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, absolutely, Brian good top I think rock Lesner's
Speaker 1: future will change the booking plans at Russemania, or that'll
Speaker 1: have a tremendous effect on it. I think if Lesner
Speaker 1: sticks around, they're they're going to treat him differently than
Speaker 1: if it's Lesner's last or second or third to last
Speaker 1: appearance for WWE. The new executive vice president, Lisa Fox,
Speaker 1: and this was announced last month, is saying she's a
Speaker 1: tie breaker vote Jason. Maybe on business matters, but overseeing
Speaker 1: the creative team is you know, having that as your
Speaker 1: title is something. But to say that she's going to
Speaker 1: be able to that she will be the tiebreaker of
Speaker 1: Vince is really against something. But she and Hunter are
Speaker 1: for it. I would like to be a fly on
Speaker 1: the wall for that happening.
Speaker 2: I'm not buying it. I'm just I don't even know
Speaker 2: why that's part of her title. I mean, it's Vince,
Speaker 2: it's Vince's show, and Vince wants it. He's going to
Speaker 2: get it, And I just don't buy that they're going
Speaker 2: to bring in an outsider to make that decision for them.
Speaker 2: Vince has always been tiebreaker when you think about it.
Speaker 2: If not that, really, there's all these situations where the
Speaker 2: creative team is split because I don't think he values
Speaker 2: too many of their opinions. But that's what Vince does.
Speaker 2: He steers the ship, and the Hunter has made it
Speaker 2: clear that at the end of the day, it's still
Speaker 2: Vince's baby. We're not hearing him in the media appearances
Speaker 2: he's doing talking about this person nothing. It's still Vince
Speaker 2: McMahon's vision and he still has final.
Speaker 1: Say, And it almost seems I mean, you know, promoting
Speaker 1: somebody from within who's worked in television production and business
Speaker 1: strategy and heck, sponsorship sales, that doesn't prepare you for
Speaker 1: being somebody who's going to necessarily know what needs to
Speaker 1: be done to sell tickets. On a creative sense, I
Speaker 1: think that there's people in wrestling who have been very
Speaker 1: good at certain jobs who weren't necessarily, by definition of
Speaker 1: being good at sponsorship sales, being able to transition over
Speaker 1: and be a tiebreaker on what's best creatively. But yeah,
Speaker 1: let's be realistic. Vincentc. Mann is his own tiebreaker, and
Speaker 1: until I have, uh, monumental evidence otherwise, I think it's
Speaker 1: it's a corporate press release that that sounds good and
Speaker 1: that gives the impression that w W is being run
Speaker 1: like a corporation and not a dictatorship. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't see Vince, you know, doing something anything
Speaker 1: major that goes against his wishes. Now minor stuff that
Speaker 1: he's not really all that concerned with. Sure, you know
Speaker 1: that I could see him just you know, defaulting to
Speaker 1: a couple different voices and you know, but no, no,
Speaker 1: on big, big issues. I don't see anybody being a tiebreaker.
Speaker 1: All right, let's go next to Eric code seven three
Speaker 1: two seven three two. Thanks for holding. Please state your
Speaker 1: name and where you're calling from.
Speaker 7: Wait, it's taught from the Jersey br Sevember.
Speaker 8: How you guys?
Speaker 7: How you guys do It's night?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 1: I did miss your first name even though you call
Speaker 1: it what what Scott?
Speaker 15: Scott?
Speaker 1: Oh Scott, Yeah, yeah, I recommend I recommend I recognize
Speaker 1: your voice. Go ahead, Scott, How do you guys?
Speaker 12: Do it?
Speaker 7: Tonight?
Speaker 2: Good?
Speaker 7: Terrifict Just two quick points I have questions about. Firstly,
Speaker 7: a couple of weeks ago, you were talking a little
Speaker 7: bit about maybe a soft Brands plat coming at some point.
Speaker 7: Has there been any developments on that in the last
Speaker 7: couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: I was we've got such a bad connection. I didn't
Speaker 1: hear what you asked about. What what was the top now?
Speaker 1: Not much better, but just go ahead and repeat what
Speaker 1: you said a little louder.
Speaker 7: I was asking if you had any more developments on
Speaker 7: I know you had a couple of weeks back on
Speaker 7: one of the Europe Week Colt hotlines about the chance
Speaker 7: of a Brands like of a Soft Brands splay. Has
Speaker 7: there been a more information on that over the last
Speaker 7: few weeks.
Speaker 1: I no, I haven't had any any more information, and
Speaker 1: I think we've seen evidence. Just sort of to the contrary, Jason,
Speaker 1: that's Macdown's kind of gone back to being the show
Speaker 1: that is, especially last Thursday, it was a lot of
Speaker 1: video packages and it was a gimmicky formula the taking turmoil,
Speaker 1: but you don't get a lot of John Cena or
Speaker 1: Triple Ah and Stephanie for that matter, and it feels
Speaker 1: like a B show. I'm skeptical whenever Vince McMahon or
Speaker 1: WWB get excited about a new program like Main Event
Speaker 1: or a new format for SmackDown, because or I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of the taut or what was it
Speaker 1: called raw reaction or raw input where the fans got
Speaker 1: to vote for stuff, and they were so excited about that.
Speaker 1: I just think there's corporate meetings and they get excited
Speaker 1: about something or they feel they need to say something
Speaker 1: to satisfy sci Fi when they move from Fridays to
Speaker 1: Thursdays to a better day, and then the creative just
Speaker 1: kind of gets carried away and they put their eye
Speaker 1: right back on just trying to promote WrestleMania the best
Speaker 1: way they can, and they don't know what they can
Speaker 1: save just for SmackDown. Perhaps post WrestleMania, Jason, there'll be
Speaker 1: more of a differentiation between the programs. This is the
Speaker 1: time of year, even when there were brand splits that
Speaker 1: they ended up doing the super shows because they wanted
Speaker 1: everybody on Mania to always be on Raw. So, you know,
Speaker 1: just looking at history and learning from that, combined with
Speaker 1: what I heard a month or two back about this
Speaker 1: moved to Thursdays, maybe the changes will happen, but not
Speaker 1: until after WrestleMania. And that's a thing I can ask
Speaker 1: more about, but certainly I haven't seen evidence of it yet.
Speaker 2: Let's not judge them. But based on last Thursday though,
Speaker 2: because that was the taping where half the crew is
Speaker 2: on its way to Kuwait on Tuesday night, and so
Speaker 2: they were basically dealing with the half crew, and so
Speaker 2: I think that's a big part of the reason we
Speaker 2: saw that that tape tag team turmoil thing. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I haven't been wowed. I mean even right out of
Speaker 2: the gate with their first show of the Thursday night
Speaker 2: air was like, Okay, thet bigger than most Smackdowns, But
Speaker 2: I wasn't just blown away, like, man, I can't wait
Speaker 2: to see next SmackDown, And you can usually tell it's
Speaker 2: when they start really driving home the hype for SmackDown
Speaker 2: on Raw, and we got kind of the usual last night.
Speaker 2: At least it wasn't a miss TV talking segment that
Speaker 2: seems to be their fallback. But this they did give
Speaker 2: us the hype for the Dolph Segguler seth Rollins match,
Speaker 2: so that's something. But until I see them really banging,
Speaker 2: you know, just beating us over the head with SmackDown
Speaker 2: SmackDown SmackDown on Raw, I'm just going to assume, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they're still approaching this as a B show.
Speaker 1: YEP. I want to see some evidants before I believe
Speaker 1: in it. All right, let's go to another color here.
Speaker 1: This is International or number is blocks that shows up
Speaker 1: as all ones for us. Please state your name and
Speaker 1: where you're calling from.
Speaker 2: This is you.
Speaker 1: If you heard a beebe If you're on hold, say
Speaker 1: your name all right. If you're about to be hung
Speaker 1: up on, that's you who should have spoken up. Sorry
Speaker 1: about that, all right, Let's go next to three four seven,
Speaker 1: three four seven. Please state your name and where you're
Speaker 1: calling from.
Speaker 12: Hello, this is Christ from New York.
Speaker 1: Hey, Chris, what have you got for us?
Speaker 12: I have two questions. The first one is actually about
Speaker 12: brock Lesner. I read something today in which Jim Ross
Speaker 12: feels that brock Lesner will resign with the company because
Speaker 12: from a financial standpoint he can be paid very well,
Speaker 12: but also he can avoid the rigors of long term
Speaker 12: injury in MMA, which is actually obviously a real life
Speaker 12: contact sport. And the second question is about John Cena.
Speaker 12: Do you think w B made a mistake in announcing,
Speaker 12: in terms of the Internet crowd that Roman reigns the
Speaker 12: next John Cena when the fact is Johnson is only
Speaker 12: thirty eight years old, and if he stays around for
Speaker 12: five more years he can or seven, he can still
Speaker 12: be the top guy. And then at some point if
Speaker 12: he retires, there's a good chance for move into an
Speaker 12: executive role with a company, since he seems to be
Speaker 12: dow to be for life, and he's such a valuable
Speaker 12: tool just from a public relations standpoint, the fact that
Speaker 12: he's so clean.
Speaker 1: Cut, Jason. I don't think preparing for life after John
Speaker 1: Cena is giving up on John Cena. But as we
Speaker 1: saw last year and this year, he's willing to take
Speaker 1: a back seat at the WrestleMania main event in order
Speaker 1: to help give the rub of being a WrestleMania main
Speaker 1: event or to somebody else so that you know, as
Speaker 1: a corporate guy, as a company guy, Jason, John Cena
Speaker 1: seems to be willing to step aside or share that
Speaker 1: top tier with somebody else, And I just think it's
Speaker 1: smart business to make sure if Sena goes down with
Speaker 1: an injury, that you have somebody else ready to go.
Speaker 1: I don't think it means they're giving up on Sena.
Speaker 1: I doubt he's a top guy for eight more years.
Speaker 1: But I've said that about a lot of people who
Speaker 1: are in there late thirties before, who still were around
Speaker 1: in their mid forties.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I mean it sounds with that hole he's
Speaker 2: getting old storyline. I don't know if they know something
Speaker 2: we don't, and the transition is happening sooner other than later.
Speaker 2: But he's no Hogan, you know, Hull Cogan was very
Speaker 2: much about Hull Coogan and didn't really care about the
Speaker 2: future of WWE. After Hull Kogan seen it really does
Speaker 2: seem to they have to give him credit for that one.
Speaker 1: And his first topic on Lesner, I'm not quite sure.
Speaker 1: The riggers of MMA are different, but not necessarily greater
Speaker 1: than the riggers of a full time WWE schedule, But
Speaker 1: the riggers of training for MMA and actually fighting MMA
Speaker 1: is a lot harder than Brock Lesner's WWE schedule. And
Speaker 1: if that's Ross's point and I didn't see or hear
Speaker 1: the particular comment Chris reference, then yeah, I mean, it
Speaker 1: does seem pretty obvious that Lesner would prefer to make
Speaker 1: guaranteed money doing something that doesn't require around the clock
Speaker 1: training for months and the possibility of getting hurt or
Speaker 1: losing USC. I mean, it's attractive. The question is, does
Speaker 1: Brock have a burning desire to compete competitively once again,
Speaker 1: given the way that he left with that deverticulitis really
Speaker 1: slowing him down, in his fights or not. If he
Speaker 1: doesn't care about that, and good for him. If he doesn't,
Speaker 1: then he should do what is best for him and
Speaker 1: his family financially and for his health, and that might
Speaker 1: mean staying in WWW for another year or two.
Speaker 2: Jason, Yeah, I mean, I think it's now or never
Speaker 2: for Brock and UFC in any meaningful way. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think the Punk signing shows that, Okay, they're they're
Speaker 2: open to just you know, selling out and making a
Speaker 2: little bit of money too. But if Brock wants to
Speaker 2: be in a meaningful title fight, I think it's kind
Speaker 2: of now or never for him. Ross cited concerns over
Speaker 2: long term health effects of competing in MMA, specifically concussion
Speaker 2: oriented issues. I mean, that's something I've been talking about
Speaker 2: for a long time with Brock. Is he there were
Speaker 2: concerns after the the Shane Carwin and kine Velaskas fights.
Speaker 2: You know, it's not that he didn't like getting hit
Speaker 2: in the head. It's there's, you know, there's head traum
Speaker 2: issues that come along with that, and with that being
Speaker 2: so such a popular topic of conversation these days, I
Speaker 2: think it made him stop and think about it. And
Speaker 2: it doesn't mean he's not going back, but I do
Speaker 2: know that was a concern coming out of his last
Speaker 2: UFC run.
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Speaker 1: Samo Joe, we talked about him earlier, Jason, do you
Speaker 1: think he ends up in WWE Ring of Honor following
Speaker 1: aj styles pattern doing a little bit of everything? Or
Speaker 1: is he going to move to something else? Have you
Speaker 1: heard anything I asked I talk? You know, somebody asked
Speaker 1: me for a weight Keller hotline on the VIP side
Speaker 1: of things several days back. You know, Somojo is he
Speaker 1: still does he still have gassed in the tank and
Speaker 1: would he be valuable for WWE? And I give a
Speaker 1: resounding yes. I think he'd be a great signing for
Speaker 1: them even if he had to you know, spent two
Speaker 1: three four months in developmental Just you know, as Tribla says,
Speaker 1: learning about the camera angles and how we do things.
Speaker 1: I'm fine with that. I think Tomojo would be hugely
Speaker 1: valuable for WWE's top tier right now. And it is
Speaker 1: sort of you say, Lesnar, now we're never MMA. It's
Speaker 1: kind of now, we're never for Joe in WWE. But
Speaker 1: at the same time, he's probably got some good paydays
Speaker 1: waiting for him in Japan and the indie scene too
Speaker 1: that would more than make up for the loss of
Speaker 1: TNA dates how few there are, I could.
Speaker 2: See this one going either way. I mean, he's he's
Speaker 2: going to be thirty six here in about a month
Speaker 2: actually a month from now as I look it up here,
Speaker 2: he'll be thirty six years old, and you know he
Speaker 2: I don't think he needs a long stay in development.
Speaker 2: I'm like you say, somebody working on some of the intangibles.
Speaker 2: But I would like to see him end up in WWE. Selfishly,
Speaker 2: I'd like to see him and Daniel Brown. I mean,
Speaker 2: I wish see him Punk was still there to go
Speaker 2: to bat for him, because Punk could, you know, be
Speaker 2: someone who would probably be more willing to do that
Speaker 2: than some of the guys on the roster. Today. I
Speaker 2: just don't know. I mean, there was that weird thing
Speaker 2: where didn't Triple H follow him on Twitter or something
Speaker 2: like that at one point not too long ago, and
Speaker 2: there was like that got some attention, So I mean
Speaker 2: there must It's not like Triple H isn't aware of
Speaker 2: this guy. I don't think the whole stigma of TNA
Speaker 2: thing is a huge issue here. I think if WWE
Speaker 2: feels like they can make money with Joe, he'll be in.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean he could easily follow the aj
Speaker 2: styles path. I think Joe can do really well on
Speaker 2: the indie scene for a while. He can work those
Speaker 2: select dates and Ring of Honor if he wants to
Speaker 2: and do just fine and work in the New Japan,
Speaker 2: I would assume. I mean, I know they have a
Speaker 2: pretty loaded roster, but I think they would probably make
Speaker 2: an exception if they could get their hands on Joe.
Speaker 2: So I'm just thrilled this is finally happening. The guy
Speaker 2: had done everything there was to do in TNA, there
Speaker 2: was nothing left for him, and it's just been it's
Speaker 2: been like this now for.
Speaker 1: What five years, just playing a back seat, you know,
Speaker 1: MVP and the Beatdown Klan and just being, you know,
Speaker 1: a guy just standing in the background. Joe is better
Speaker 1: than that and worth more than that. But he had
Speaker 1: done everything. I would love to see a motivated in
Speaker 1: the shape of his life or the shape that he
Speaker 1: the best shape he can be in at thirty six,
Speaker 1: which is still pretty damn good. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: look at Tim Duncan, and you know I mean that, well,
Speaker 1: I guess he's a bat etonecas he's pretty beat up.
Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, the TNA schedule has been good, better
Speaker 1: to Joe than probably the NBA schedule that Tim can
Speaker 1: as guy get in their late thirties as top level athletes.
Speaker 1: But I think Joe is somebody who I still think
Speaker 1: he's got guests in the tank to have great matches
Speaker 1: with Dean Ambrose except Rollins, Sam Zane, Daniel Bryan of course,
Speaker 1: and then Brock Lesner, John Cena, Randy Orton. I mean,
Speaker 1: Joe's a guy who can be against the bigger heavyweight,
Speaker 1: top tier guys, and he's a guy who can also
Speaker 1: keep up with the guys who are more athletic too
Speaker 1: and and key pace, which is why he was put
Speaker 1: in the X division by TNA, and a move that
Speaker 1: I never thought was smart or good, But I get
Speaker 1: why they did it. They didn't want to take away
Speaker 1: some dream matches with the X Division guys, but I
Speaker 1: think it hurt Joe's, Joe Joe and the ex Division
Speaker 1: by just breaking that whole weight barrier thing. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love to see him in WWE. There's a
Speaker 1: long list of matches that should happen, and I hope happened.
Speaker 1: But that said Smoe Joe in New Japan that's not
Speaker 1: a bad thing either, and there's some really fun matches
Speaker 1: that could result from that. So I just hope he's
Speaker 1: not retiring because I just sort of like with AJ,
Speaker 1: and I think it was yesterday Bruce Mitchell talked about
Speaker 1: this on the live cast. AJ's just had this. It's
Speaker 1: a coming out party to the world. By leaving TNA
Speaker 1: a little over a year ago and doing what he's
Speaker 1: done in the last thirteen months, it's pretty awesome and
Speaker 1: I'd love to see Joe have that kind of year.
Speaker 1: And you know, Tena is gonna be fine without him,
Speaker 1: you know, given their business set up, in the structure
Speaker 1: that they have, and I think they had gotten what
Speaker 1: they needed out of him. I don't think they're given
Speaker 1: the way that they book and promote. I don't think
Speaker 1: there was a lot that they're losing by losing Joe,
Speaker 1: but I think it's gonna there's a lot to gain,
Speaker 1: be it New Japan, Ring of Honor Or or WWE.
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Speaker 1: to one. Next six six one, Please state your name
Speaker 1: and where you're calling from.
Speaker 15: A right, Jason, This is our Jason calling from Perth, Australia,
Speaker 15: VI our pay member.
Speaker 1: Jason. Thanks for Colin. So glad you called. I saw
Speaker 1: you emailed and said you might be calling in today.
Speaker 15: Yeah, not a problem light. I appreciate that, first of all.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 15: I also a couple of hours a guy are right
Speaker 15: on Twitter that I thought that Ryman, Ryans and Daniel
Speaker 15: Brown were coming across a lot of two children who were,
Speaker 15: you know, fighting for the big boys. Table with brock
Speaker 15: Lesna and that might for some interesting discussion. Now, I'm
Speaker 15: not sure if you've got talked about this auretic, so
Speaker 15: I just joined the program, but I just wanted to
Speaker 15: make a point.
Speaker 1: In regards to you, Jason, it doesn't matter because we
Speaker 1: just enjoy your accents. So even if you're repeating yourself,
Speaker 1: it's fine.
Speaker 15: Well I appreciate that, all.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 15: Anyway, what I was going to say, what I was
Speaker 15: going to say is in relation to that, A copped
Speaker 15: a bit of feedback, like and the people were saying, oh,
Speaker 15: you know, wrestling fans, they're all the lights of poke
Speaker 15: holes or storylines and they can't enjoy themselves. You know, Look,
Speaker 15: as far as I'm concerned with that, Like I mean,
Speaker 15: of all times to sort of poke holes or storylines
Speaker 15: to cast a critical eye, I mean, we're talking about WrestleMania.
Speaker 15: We're also talking about wanting to make sure you have
Speaker 15: as many subscribers as possible and that you'll portraying your
Speaker 15: key babyface characters in the right way. And I just
Speaker 15: think the ww have done a horrible job with their
Speaker 15: presentation of babyfaces. And I think it's been like this
Speaker 15: for a while and in relation to Roman Reigns and
Speaker 15: Daniel Bryan, I mean, what I don't understand is that
Speaker 15: why would you put them against one another leading to
Speaker 15: WrestleMania where you're dividing the crowd and you're pointing out
Speaker 15: unlikable traits in relation to them. See my whole thing
Speaker 15: with sort of like Roman Rains and Daniel Brian has that.
Speaker 15: I want to see Roman Rains as a kick oss
Speaker 15: baby face if he's given a roadblock or if he's
Speaker 15: given like saying, you know, okay, what you have to
Speaker 15: do is you have to go past Daniel Bryan a
Speaker 15: fast lane to qualify for WrestleMania, even though that is
Speaker 15: technically unfair. What I would like to see is him
Speaker 15: to say bring it on, yeah, you know. And in
Speaker 15: relation to Daniel Bryan. In relation to Daniel Brian, he's
Speaker 15: actually come across like a bit of an idiot because
Speaker 15: he's entitled to a world title. He's entitled to a
Speaker 15: world title match, not a number one contendership match. This
Speaker 15: will be akin to the Seattle Seahawks getting screwed in
Speaker 15: the Super Bowl then going to the NFL and saying
Speaker 15: we want to rematch with the Green Bay Packers. Well,
Speaker 15: past that step. You're past that step. You should be
Speaker 15: going against brock Lesner. And people are saying, oh, Daniel
Speaker 15: Bryn is showing a bit of an edge, But the
Speaker 15: edge that I I've seen Daniel Brian show recently is
Speaker 15: against baby faces. I saw more fire in him beating
Speaker 15: up a poor Russo Russo last week on SmackDown than
Speaker 15: what I've seen in getting revenge on Cain. I just
Speaker 15: think the whole thing's all over the place, and what
Speaker 15: I what I would like to see is that what
Speaker 15: I'd like to see is Roman Rains actually take control
Speaker 15: of the situation and after winning the raw rumbles say look,
Speaker 15: I won the raw rumble, Daniel Brian, I'm going to
Speaker 15: be a fighting champion. I'm not going to be like
Speaker 15: brock Lester and pick and choose, so I'm going to face.
Speaker 15: I'm going to be a fighting champion. You deserve a
Speaker 15: title rematch the night after WrestleMania. And what they would
Speaker 15: have done is actually would have made Daniel Brian fans
Speaker 15: go for Roman Rains because it's like, well, if Roman
Speaker 15: Raine speaks brock Lesner, then now man Daniel Brian gets
Speaker 15: a title shot. Something to that effect, where Roman Rains
Speaker 15: and Daniel Brian are taking control of a situation. Just
Speaker 15: a couple of other points I wanted to raise Waite.
Speaker 15: I thought it was really good in your hotline how
Speaker 15: you talked about Triple H's promo against Sting and how
Speaker 15: you mentioned he suddenly mentioned that he represents WWE and
Speaker 15: Sting represents WCW. I mean, we all saw how that happened,
Speaker 15: like about well fourteen years ago when they brought back
Speaker 15: buff Bagwell and Boo could see and try to paint
Speaker 15: them as baby faced with Shane McMahon. What I also
Speaker 15: thought was pretty funny was that Rick Flair mentioned to
Speaker 15: Triple H, you know, people ask me if you could
Speaker 15: beat Daniel Brian. I said, you could beat him in
Speaker 15: five minutes, but you know what, thirty minutes later, you didn't.
Speaker 15: But he almost gave him the excuse that he was
Speaker 15: a part time wrestler. And I just thought it was
Speaker 15: funny that they were sort of planting that seed that
Speaker 15: Rick Flair was saying that if Triple H wasn't a
Speaker 15: part time wrestler, then he might have beaten Daniel Bryan
Speaker 15: within that five minutes. And look, just just one further point,
Speaker 15: because I know you enjoyed my accent In relation to NXT.
Speaker 15: In relation to NXT, I agree with what Bruce said
Speaker 15: on his Bruce Mitchell audio show. I like NXT, but
Speaker 15: I think like the endgame is sort of getting a
Speaker 15: bit mixed up because I thought the whole point behind
Speaker 15: NXT was to develop superstars so you could bring him
Speaker 15: up to the main roster as soon as possible. So
Speaker 15: then you have a unique selling point for the announcers
Speaker 15: that can say make sure you tune into the WWE
Speaker 15: network on the pay per views because it's the only
Speaker 15: place where you get to see the superstars of Raw
Speaker 15: and SmackDown on the same show. And what I mean
Speaker 15: by that is I'm a big fan of the brand
Speaker 15: split because it gives you a unique selling point for
Speaker 15: the network. Now you look at guys like Luke Harper
Speaker 15: Ambrose and Wade Barrett and say Adolph Siegler. To me,
Speaker 15: that would be perfect to stand out performers on a
Speaker 15: SmackDown show. Now you Sprinkleen, say Kevin Owen's a Sammy
Speaker 15: Zaying and even what is it like Atami or Fim Baylor.
Speaker 15: There's about eight guys that you can build a brand around.
Speaker 15: But you also have that unique selling point where they're
Speaker 15: exclusive to SmackDown and people if they miss SmackDown, at
Speaker 15: least they've got the network in order to watch the
Speaker 15: feature SmackDown Stars. So that's what I'm a big fan
Speaker 15: of the brand split because it gives you that unique
Speaker 15: selling point for the network, which is what they need.
Speaker 1: Thank you you put it very well accent as a bonus,
Speaker 1: but some really good points I want to get Jason
Speaker 1: Powell of prosing dott Net his thoughts on that. Jason Powell,
Speaker 1: I just think Jason from Perth, Australia made added to
Speaker 1: what we had talked about earlier and made a strong
Speaker 1: case for how Brian and Rains kind of a main
Speaker 1: topic of today's show, have been somewhat damaged. It may
Speaker 1: not be crippling, but I think Jason made some really
Speaker 1: good points about that as his first major topic that
Speaker 1: he discussed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said absolutely yeah.
Speaker 1: And anything to add to what he said about NXT
Speaker 1: and the SmackDown Raw brand split.
Speaker 2: I don't think they have the debt board. I don't.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you could call up the guys from
Speaker 2: NXT and maybe, but I kind of get the feeling
Speaker 2: like they're taking their time with some of these guys,
Speaker 2: maybe more time than they need to. But is that
Speaker 2: because they want to do more with the NXT brand
Speaker 2: by taking it on the road. Are some guys going
Speaker 2: to be kept down longer than they would be if
Speaker 2: it would not were not for That's not sure, But
Speaker 2: I don't think they have the depth to People point
Speaker 2: to that one episode of Raw where we got more
Speaker 2: wrestling and it was a good show, but when they
Speaker 2: were you had a split crew, but it was one night.
Speaker 2: You know, Raw's is a tough one to get through
Speaker 2: when it's three hours, as it is with all these people.
Speaker 2: The counter to that is, look at what they did
Speaker 2: with SmackDown last week when they had a smaller crew
Speaker 2: and it wasn't very compelling. I just don't have faith
Speaker 2: in them being able to do They didn't do it
Speaker 2: right the first time when they had an even deeper roster.
Speaker 2: I don't have faith in them to do it right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's the issue is having faith that they
Speaker 1: would do it the right way, because I do think
Speaker 1: that if they put somebody in the main events of
Speaker 1: SmackDown who can cut promos and can wrestle, whether it's
Speaker 1: Seamus or Wade, Barrett or you know, pick a guy
Speaker 1: who has that borderline top tier potential and you just
Speaker 1: start treating him like he is, like they did with Edge,
Speaker 1: or like they did with Eddie Guerrero or JBL during
Speaker 1: the brand split. You treat the top SmackDown guy as
Speaker 1: a top guy and you position him that way. I
Speaker 1: think you can end up having enough depth. It's the
Speaker 1: faith that Vince McMahon has the patience to put that
Speaker 1: kind of mental effort into producing somebody in a way
Speaker 1: that that portrays them as a top star. That's what
Speaker 1: I don't have faith it. I just I really doubt
Speaker 1: whether Vince McMahon would look at SmackDown after he gets
Speaker 1: done with a live Raw that's the mothership, that's the
Speaker 1: main show, and being able to with a straight with
Speaker 1: a straight face, genuinely push guys that he doesn't think
Speaker 1: our paper mamain inventors to the very top. I think
Speaker 1: SmackDown would draw very good ratings with a fresh crew
Speaker 1: of talent that didn't get overexposed on Raw if it
Speaker 1: wasn't just Rains and Brian and Big Show and Kane
Speaker 1: and you know the usual suspects that we see on
Speaker 1: both shows. And I think you could freshen that up
Speaker 1: with some NXT guys. I think it could be done.
Speaker 1: I kind of could imagine it being done well, but
Speaker 1: I can't imagine Vince wic Mann doing it well. And
Speaker 1: I think that is pretty much you're saying, Jason is
Speaker 1: even if you can imagine it being done well, you
Speaker 1: can't imagine it's McMahon actually doing it well.
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean the one out here would be
Speaker 2: all right, we're going to turn it over different vision
Speaker 2: for SmackDown, whether it's Triple H, Ryan Ward just you know,
Speaker 2: other writers take control of SmackDown legitimately. Okay, we can talk,
Speaker 2: but I just I don't have faith in him. Even
Speaker 2: it's maybe like one of those meetings they had about
Speaker 2: SmackDown where he talks a good game, but when push
Speaker 2: comes to shove, Vince McMahon won't be able to keep
Speaker 2: his hands off it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, all right, very good. We're gonna shift to
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Speaker 1: Rick Flair and his appearance. And another topic that Jason
Speaker 1: for Perth Australia brought up and that I talked about
Speaker 1: on the Waight Keller hotline last night. Is Triple H
Speaker 1: angling to get cheered at WrestleMania? Is he being sly
Speaker 1: in devious and actually setting things up for him to
Speaker 1: go shrug his shoulders and go, well, I don't know
Speaker 1: what to say. I guess the crowd liked me, when
Speaker 1: in reality he's planning the seeds right now to sabotage
Speaker 1: things baby Face pop at Mania. It's conspiracy theory. There's
Speaker 1: not a lot of evidence yet directly, but there's a
Speaker 1: whole history to draw from, and I'll talk about the
Speaker 1: evidence and why I'm kind of pulling from history and
Speaker 1: wondering if that's not something that Triple H is deviously
Speaker 1: trying to get away, to get away with by positioning
Speaker 1: this as a wwwwe battle rather than a heal Babyface battle.
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Speaker 1: now in the VIP after show portion of the program. Jason,
Speaker 1: I want to start off with what I ended with
Speaker 1: a little teaser about Triple H. Did you get the
Speaker 1: sense that Triple H is being a little sneaky or
Speaker 1: if you did last night, am I planting that seed
Speaker 1: that maybe Triple H just trying to get that WWE
Speaker 1: loyal WrestleMania crowd to maybe at least in great percentage
Speaker 1: cheer for him against that WCW guy.
Speaker 2: I don't know why you would care. I mean, let's
Speaker 2: see where it goes. Is this. I don't know how
Speaker 2: they would do it, but I mean, Lord knows, the
Speaker 2: authority has played out. Were everyone's tired of it. It's
Speaker 2: just they've done what they can do. Is this somehow
Speaker 2: when all is said and done, does he ultimately gain
Speaker 2: some respect for staying and become a babyface after all this?
Speaker 2: So I mean, I'm just leaving that door open that
Speaker 2: maybe that's by design because he sooner rather than later,
Speaker 2: will be a baby face, not going into Mania, but
Speaker 2: maybe coming out.
Speaker 1: I would love that because I think I'd like to
Speaker 1: see a baby face authority figure appear every once in
Speaker 1: a while like Rigal l NXT and not be a
Speaker 1: dominant heel. That would be nice. I just wouldn't be
Speaker 1: surprised if Hunter, being a WWE loyalist, who by the way,
Speaker 1: did jump from ww to WWE once, But if I
Speaker 1: would be in I would It wouldn't shock me if that.
Speaker 1: He isn't trying to do it under the radar so
Speaker 1: it's not obvious, but shrug his shoulders after the match,
Speaker 1: going huh, I guess the fans love me, you know,
Speaker 1: because they cheer for Hima says say Sting's gonna have cheers.
Speaker 1: But I just I just think the way Triple H operates,
Speaker 1: he would get a kick out of out smarting everybody
Speaker 1: and acting like he's just setting up the match to
Speaker 1: sell it. It's wwa'st WWE and you know, being a heel,
Speaker 1: but really planning that seed for fans to go. Man,
Speaker 1: do I want to cheer a WW guy? Given how
Speaker 1: Triple H talks about how other than his family, WWE's
Speaker 1: most important thing in the world to him, and they
Speaker 1: WWE makes money marketing their brand, the marketing brand loyalty.
Speaker 1: They want people to be fans, not of wrestlers. This
Speaker 1: is a mid card era, as Bruce Mitchell calls it.
Speaker 1: It's about relatively interchangeable wrestlers who work for this magnificent
Speaker 1: brand by the McMahon family, and I just encounters tapping
Speaker 1: into that a little bit right here. Now. Maybe he
Speaker 1: can't help himself and it's not a plot, but I
Speaker 1: think that could end up being a side effect, even
Speaker 1: if he's not being devious, that some fans are going
Speaker 1: to see this as oh, I have to pick sides
Speaker 1: WWE or WW and Hunter loves this brand as much
Speaker 1: as anybody and sting as a Johnny come Lately. I
Speaker 1: don't know. Again, it's a conspiracy theory, admit to it.
Speaker 1: Very little evidence in this case other than last night's promo.
Speaker 1: But when you look at the history of Hunter and
Speaker 1: things that he has either done or his friends have done,
Speaker 1: or things that he tends to admire, and just knowing
Speaker 1: his kind of personality and the way he works, I
Speaker 1: could say it.
Speaker 2: Are there other examples of times when you feel like
Speaker 2: he's gone for the babyface reaction?
Speaker 1: I think historically Triple h Is comes from a group
Speaker 1: of people who like to be the smartest people in
Speaker 1: the room and like to outsmart people. I think if
Speaker 1: you look even at the authority and the things that
Speaker 1: they said about Roman Reigns and how haha, he didn't
Speaker 1: have to do this again, that's Hunter. It's not so
Speaker 1: much saying I'm going for the baby face pop, but
Speaker 1: I'm the smartest guy in the room and I should
Speaker 1: just be cheered on principle because I'm that good. And
Speaker 1: have Ric Flair come out, just again, going to last night,
Speaker 1: have Rick Flair come out and endorse him. I thought
Speaker 1: it was good. I thought, and this is worth exploring
Speaker 1: a little more to what Jason from Perth said that
Speaker 1: Rick Flair really I thought demean Daniel Bryan in a
Speaker 1: way that was completely unnecessary and if that was scripted.
Speaker 1: It goes to what I'm saying that Hunter, when he's
Speaker 1: involved in a program, can't help but put himself over
Speaker 1: at the expense of others when he's involved. When he's
Speaker 1: not involved, he seems to have really good mind for things,
Speaker 1: but when he is involved, it's like he can't help himself.
Speaker 1: And that was another example. I don't think that line
Speaker 1: should have been there with Rick Flair. Who didn't Rick
Speaker 1: Flair pick Daniel Briand to win the rumble Jason in
Speaker 1: the pre show.
Speaker 2: He did, and you know what I've heard, Flair, like
Speaker 2: a lot of the vets, didn't quite grasp the Daniel
Speaker 2: Brian phenomenon. I guess people have said of all people,
Speaker 2: they thought Rick Flair would have understood, but for some reason,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's from hanging around Hunter or whatnot,
Speaker 2: but he just kind of looked down on the hole
Speaker 2: Daniel Bryan Graze.
Speaker 1: Which is crazy because Daniel Bryan and Rick Steamboat standing
Speaker 1: next to each other are about the same, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just not a different it's just they're
Speaker 1: in the same size category. Steamboat was always a little
Speaker 1: smaller than Flair, and I would just think that you know,
Speaker 1: not that Daniel Brian's like milk toast, But if you're
Speaker 1: to draw a comparison between Babyface, a Babyface who Rick
Speaker 1: Flair feuded with and had great matches with, the personality
Speaker 1: of Steamboat is pretty si. I think there's not a
Speaker 1: better comparison than Steamboat Daniel Bryan in terms of just smiling, affable,
Speaker 1: stand up for what's right type characters at who are
Speaker 1: great athletes. And I would think that Flair would understand
Speaker 1: it because of that, But you're right, a lot of
Speaker 1: veterans were slow to come around. Even Steve Austin is
Speaker 1: more in Daniel Bryan's camp now than he was a
Speaker 1: year ago.
Speaker 2: I mean, the Flair thing just baffles me because that
Speaker 2: strikes me as like a dream match. You would think
Speaker 2: Flair would see it from that perspective too, Like man,
Speaker 2: if I was just you know, well in his mind today,
Speaker 2: but if he was twenty years younger, Imagine the money
Speaker 2: these two could make together. That one really surprised me.
Speaker 2: Some of the whole Kogan types, the guy that got
Speaker 2: by on you know, the guys that got by on
Speaker 2: their physiques. I understood that I didn't really grasp it
Speaker 2: coming from Flair.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, but Flair's it's weird, you know.
Speaker 1: I think guys who are of average height in wrestling,
Speaker 1: or whatever height you are, it's almost anybody shorter than
Speaker 1: you doesn't belong to the main events. But you're the
Speaker 1: perfect type.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 1: Anybody you're height or taller can be a main event,
Speaker 1: but anybody shorter can't. I would say, short of being
Speaker 1: six ft. You know, if you're above six foot four,
Speaker 1: you understand you got to fight people who at six two,
Speaker 1: six one sixty three. But if you're you know, if
Speaker 1: you're five ten to be a main eventeror you should
Speaker 1: be five ten or taller. If you're six to one,
Speaker 1: you should be six to one or taller to be
Speaker 1: a Maine venor. It just seems like that's kind of
Speaker 1: the wrestler attitude. So I don't know. If I'm a
Speaker 1: main e venor, I'd want to fight face guys who
Speaker 1: are smaller than me to make me look bigger. But
Speaker 1: it does seem to be kind of a weird, a
Speaker 1: weird hang up that they have did. Did you think
Speaker 1: that was one of Flair's better performances Jason last night?
Speaker 1: Not necessarily his best, but one of his better performances
Speaker 1: in the last three four years.
Speaker 2: Yes, because Triple Ah kept cutting him off. You know,
Speaker 2: t was very much in control of that, and I
Speaker 2: think he I think some of it was his character
Speaker 2: cutting off Lair, and I think other times he was
Speaker 2: really keeping the Lair on point and making sure everything
Speaker 2: went in the direction he wanted it to go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's true because Flair, Roddy Piper, there
Speaker 1: are guys who aren't used to the scripting and aren't
Speaker 1: used to the long format interviews. You know, that's not
Speaker 1: something Flair did a lot of stand in the ring
Speaker 1: with a microphone and cut along prole or go back
Speaker 1: and forth in conversations. You know, Flair was used to
Speaker 1: someone holds the mic, he cuts a promo, he gets
Speaker 1: asked to follow up question, he cuts another promo, and
Speaker 1: then it's over. So some of these old some of
Speaker 1: these guys like Piper and Flair, as they get older,
Speaker 1: they have had trouble with the longer format, remembering their
Speaker 1: lines and staying on on Q and so, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that Hunter when he's in there with Flair,
Speaker 1: is kind of like a parent mouthing the words along
Speaker 1: as their child. You know, performs a play like, Oh,
Speaker 1: I hope she hears your remembers the lines. I hope
Speaker 1: she remembers the lines and all of that. Sometimes you
Speaker 1: get that feeling when Hunter and Steph are in the
Speaker 1: ring because they have such a big part in putting
Speaker 1: the stuff together. But I thought Hunter, yeah, I think
Speaker 1: Kunter helped the segment, but Flair gets co credit. I
Speaker 1: thought Flair brought it. I thought he did his best
Speaker 1: to stay disciplined and made his points. I thought Hunter
Speaker 1: made the more humble comment that I'm used to out
Speaker 1: of his character, especially when he's playing a heel on TV,
Speaker 1: which is I've told people that Rick, you know, Rick
Speaker 1: Flair is the best ever, something along those lines, and
Speaker 1: usually Hunter accepts compliments from Flair that he's the best
Speaker 1: ever without going no, no, come on, Rick, you're the best.
Speaker 1: Normally we don't get that courtesy response from Hunter, but
Speaker 1: we got it last night, and I thought that was nice,
Speaker 1: a nice gesture on Hunter's part, and it does maybe
Speaker 1: play into what you're saying, Jason, maybe there is a
Speaker 1: potential Babyface turn coming and Hunter's trying to become the
Speaker 1: WWE guy who loves the brand WWE and play into
Speaker 1: what the whole portrayal he has of being the father
Speaker 1: figure over NXT.
Speaker 2: I hope so that that character is valuable to w W.
Speaker 2: The character he plays now just dominates, you know, he
Speaker 2: and Sephanie the heels that they represent our henchman for them.
Speaker 2: Seth Rollins is like the only guy who's been kind
Speaker 2: of immune to it so far, but everyone else they've
Speaker 2: been aligned with has ended up in that same just
Speaker 2: kind of casts the same way. I mean, Big Show
Speaker 2: and Kane are just worthless. And not that they had
Speaker 2: a lot of value coming into this, but it's diminished greatly.
Speaker 2: I Mean, I just cringe now when I see those
Speaker 2: guys pop up on my television, and I hate to
Speaker 2: feel that way, but it's it's the booking. It's also
Speaker 2: just the fact that their underlings to Timpany and Hunter,
Speaker 2: and then the fact that they you know, all the
Speaker 2: Roman ranges are dope, that they easily manipulated Daniel Bryant's
Speaker 2: adope because he could have had his title match that
Speaker 2: he just asked for and said he entered the rumble,
Speaker 2: and it's all those things. It's just eat over and
Speaker 2: over again. They're the smartest people and all these wrestlers
Speaker 2: are just stupid, yep.
Speaker 1: And that's why I just really look forward to the
Speaker 1: days that they're showing up heels instead of baby faces
Speaker 1: in that same way, because it just seems like they
Speaker 1: can't help themselves, and it's they see it as very
Speaker 1: important for them to be the you know, the dominant,
Speaker 1: smartest personalities in the play.
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Speaker 1: I know it's almost a week ago now, Jason, but
Speaker 1: the Triple H NXT conference call, was there anything about
Speaker 1: that that jumped out to you? And in terms of
Speaker 1: then how the NXT special played out when you're watching
Speaker 1: NXT Takeover, was there anything that Triple H said in
Speaker 1: the conference call that that you thought, Okay, this is
Speaker 1: what Hunter kind of thought would happen, or this this
Speaker 1: in tandem with what Hunter said, makes me look at
Speaker 1: what they're doing differently on the special.
Speaker 2: Gosh, you know, nothing's jumping out of him. Is there
Speaker 2: something specific you're thinking of?
Speaker 1: Oh no, totally just throwing it out there, trying to
Speaker 1: get NXT into the discussion.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean it's I you know, I asked
Speaker 2: him about it, Tommy, and he just wants him to
Speaker 2: let loose basically. And I don't think we saw kent
Speaker 2: to but I think we saw a better version of
Speaker 2: a Tommy this time around than usual, So I mean
Speaker 2: progress was made there. He One of the things he emphasizes,
Speaker 2: I don't know how much he did it in this
Speaker 2: conference call is that it's a training ground for everyone.
Speaker 2: And I thought that really came through with the broadcast team,
Speaker 2: because I didn't think they had a fine night. And
Speaker 2: I like Rich Brent and I think he has a future.
Speaker 2: But I just thought some of the main event call
Speaker 2: was off. There was just different points during the show
Speaker 2: where I found myself wishing it was another.
Speaker 1: Broadcast name Yeah, and I would have to go back
Speaker 1: and rewatch it.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I've heard that from enough people that I gave them
Speaker 1: more of a pass than I probably should have. I've
Speaker 1: been in general, I've been a fan of Corey Graves.
Speaker 1: I think that too, he's really showing a comfort level
Speaker 1: on the microphone, and he's that mix of confident and
Speaker 1: conversational and likable but legible to put it to you
Speaker 1: can understand what he's saying and why he's saying it,
Speaker 1: and he does soon in a conversation a likable way.
Speaker 1: I just think he has a chance to be really good,
Speaker 1: I mean to develop to be really good in that role,
Speaker 1: because I think out of the gate he's been good.
Speaker 1: And I'm a fan of Elbert too. Rich Brennan usually
Speaker 1: a fan of When some of the specifics have been
Speaker 1: brought up, Sean Radikin was the first to be really
Speaker 1: hard on the announced team. He brought up some specifics
Speaker 1: that I remember hearing and not thinking it was as
Speaker 1: big of a deal when Rich Brandon was calling, you
Speaker 1: know too many near falls as finishes. But what in
Speaker 1: particular do you remember or things stood out Jason that
Speaker 1: that the announce team came up short.
Speaker 2: On storytelling would be the big one. Just see a
Speaker 2: really dry I don't think he really grasped the story
Speaker 2: they were telling in that main event. It just seemed
Speaker 2: like he was in that point at different points, calling
Speaker 2: the spots more so than kind of painting the picture
Speaker 2: that the rest you know, helping the wrestlers paint that picture.
Speaker 1: Do you think did you like the story? Do you
Speaker 1: think that bringing up brock Lessner John Cena was a
Speaker 1: huge mistake, a risky move that worked a little or
Speaker 1: didn't work a little, but not a big deal or
Speaker 1: really good with in the context of NXT to draw
Speaker 1: that comparison to history.
Speaker 2: I didn't mind that as much as most people. It
Speaker 2: did kind of when everything was said and done, it
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, now I get that. Now I get
Speaker 2: why they brought that up, and it makes a little
Speaker 2: more sense. But you know, it did when they when
Speaker 2: he first said it. It's it. I mean, it's I
Speaker 2: don't know that i'd be comparing Kevin Owens given the
Speaker 2: body type two brock Lesner. I just I might. I
Speaker 2: would probably shy away from that. I just don't. It's
Speaker 2: not a favorable comparison for Kevin Owens, and he's got it.
Speaker 2: You know, it doesn't mean he is going to be
Speaker 2: a failure in ww or anything like that. But I
Speaker 2: just think i'd shy away from that.
Speaker 1: I think they could have told the story, which is
Speaker 1: Kevin Owens is dominating. We haven't seen a wrestler dominate
Speaker 1: a champion in a match in a one sided fashion
Speaker 1: as much as we have as we have since Summer
Speaker 1: Slam with Lesner and Sena, and then the next words
Speaker 1: out of one of their mouths is yes, And Kevin
Speaker 1: Owens obviously a different brand of wrestler, a different style
Speaker 1: of wrestler than Lesner. He's using this approach that's different,
Speaker 1: but boy does it work for him? And I wonder
Speaker 1: how far this can take him using this approach against
Speaker 1: Sammy's Ain and talk about the strengths of Sammy's ain
Speaker 1: without having people go, well, he's no brock Lessner, And
Speaker 1: I think there was a way to make that point
Speaker 1: with a little bit more finesse. Yeah, without Kevin Owens
Speaker 1: paling in comparison, looking pale in comparison to lest who
Speaker 1: is just somebody. It's it's kind of a losing proposition
Speaker 1: to be compared to him at this point, especially with
Speaker 1: how few matches Owens has had in NXT so far
Speaker 1: to really establish himself.
Speaker 2: Hey, by the way, if Samoa Joe goes to NXT,
Speaker 2: will that be one of the rare wrestler where people
Speaker 2: were like, oh good, he's getting a name change.
Speaker 1: Yes, it will, Yes, he will absolutely get a name change.
Speaker 1: I can't remember which caller. It was suggested half tongue
Speaker 1: in cheek, maybe two thirds that Samoa Joe and Roman
Speaker 1: Reigns have a battle over who the real Samoa Joe is.
Speaker 1: But I hopefully he was about ninety nine percent joking
Speaker 1: on that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just I've never I just remember the first
Speaker 2: time I read it, you know, I was back and
Speaker 2: when Ring of Honor launched, and it was like Samoa Joe.
Speaker 2: I just figured he was like some sidekick that wasn't
Speaker 2: even going to be a wrestler, and it's it's sucked.
Speaker 2: I mean, it doesn't seem like it's hurt him, but
Speaker 2: I'm anxious for change. Nonetheless.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it'd be like reading you know, Irish Pete.
Speaker 1: It's like, you're not going to take a guy seriously,
Speaker 1: you know called h you know, Johnny Astra. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's just yeah, the first time I read it, I
Speaker 1: was like this, you know, this is not the glory
Speaker 1: era of Ring of Honor, Like when they started off
Speaker 1: and brought all the great indie wrestlers together and it
Speaker 1: was low key and styles and all that. All of
Speaker 1: a sudden you're just like, oh, okay, Samoa Joe, and
Speaker 1: then you watch them work and you're like, okay, he
Speaker 1: won me over and you stop caring about the name.
Speaker 1: But the name limited. I think the name was limiting
Speaker 1: and it felt very lazy. It's not quite as bad
Speaker 1: as mister j L. But it's not a lot better.
Speaker 1: Minnesota Jerry. That's what he should have been called, Minnesota Jerry.
Speaker 1: All Right, we have an email question Mark wants to know.
Speaker 1: This is shark Mary actually call dot net member and
Speaker 1: he says, assuming Roustev Sina is at Mania, win or lose,
Speaker 1: what is next for Russev? What do you think, Jason?
Speaker 2: A good question. I guess let's see who the champion
Speaker 2: is coming out of Mania. If they want to go
Speaker 2: right to that. If you know what, if Seena beats
Speaker 2: him at Mania, I think next up for him is
Speaker 2: beating Scena somehow. I I whether it's decisive or he
Speaker 2: gets a cheap victory. I think they're going to want
Speaker 2: to try to, you know, just untarnish. I don't know
Speaker 2: that they're going to be able to. I don't think
Speaker 2: losing the scene at WrestleMania is like this just bad,
Speaker 2: bad moment for Roman or for BRUCEV. But wait, I
Speaker 2: don't know what good it does either. Then hey, John
Speaker 2: Cena got a happy Wrestlemanian moment. I don't really understand
Speaker 2: what what they think that would do it? If that's
Speaker 2: great and you're going in, I mean, what am I
Speaker 2: missing something?
Speaker 14: No?
Speaker 1: No, no, you're not.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I mean it almost seems like Russev's character expires the
Speaker 1: moment John Cena beats him at WrestleMania and he gets
Speaker 1: moved down the card and heck, and I don't think
Speaker 1: it's gonna happen because I think Vince likes Rusev. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of guys really like rusepfe Veterans who
Speaker 1: observe just think this guy's got something that they like.
Speaker 1: It's it's old school, but it works in modern day.
Speaker 1: You don't see a lot of guys like him anymore.
Speaker 1: You know, we're so used to an x T producing,
Speaker 1: you know, Drew MacIntyre, Tye, you know, just the guys
Speaker 1: who have that lean muscle musculature body, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's nice to see a variety with Bray Wyatt now
Speaker 1: and Kevin Owens, but Russev is really different in that way. Russev.
Speaker 1: You could drop into nineteen seventy seven, and or you
Speaker 1: could photoshop him into or video edit him into wrestling
Speaker 1: from the mid seventies and nobody would think, oh, that guy,
Speaker 1: you know doesn't belong. But you do that with you know,
Speaker 1: most of the guys today and it would be obvious
Speaker 1: they didn't belong in that era. And that's kind of cool.
Speaker 1: And I think he's versatile and good enough as a worker.
Speaker 1: He certainly showed it against Roman Raids at house shows.
Speaker 1: I mean, Rousselv was carrying him. I think that he
Speaker 1: that Rusev has a chance to be good for a
Speaker 1: long time to come. But storyline wise, I think it
Speaker 1: almost has to be a step down unless they just
Speaker 1: find a way for seeing it to win but keep
Speaker 1: Russev strong. They do one more rematch, Roussev maybe wins
Speaker 1: the post Mania rematch or something, and then he moves
Speaker 1: on to a feud with another top level guy. Maybe
Speaker 1: he goes after the title. If Rains has a title,
Speaker 1: maybe he goes after Daniel Bryan. If Seamus is a babyface,
Speaker 1: he goes after. I mean, there's only so many top
Speaker 1: baby faces from the wrestle, But I kind of think
Speaker 1: he ends up fighting a top tier babyface.
Speaker 2: I think that, yeah, for sure. I mean he's established now.
Speaker 2: Like I said, even if he loses, I don't see
Speaker 2: any real good coming from it if he loses to
Speaker 2: see it Mania, But he's established. He's a top babyface,
Speaker 2: and I think, I mean, I wouldn't be surprised if
Speaker 2: there is a title reign in his future. I mean
Speaker 2: he's one of the few. Especially if brock Lesnar leaves, Well,
Speaker 2: there's your monster heel, you know, and you can't make
Speaker 2: him furniture throwing want you know, brock Lesnard want to be.
Speaker 2: But I think he plays that part. He's the one
Speaker 2: guy that they have right now who believably could be
Speaker 2: that badass heel that I think they would be missing
Speaker 2: at brock were to leave.
Speaker 1: A few months ago, I would not have been a
Speaker 1: favor of even I just say in favor. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: to put the odds high at all of him having
Speaker 1: a world title run. And I think the last four
Speaker 1: or five six weeks he's shown me enough where that's
Speaker 1: on my radar as a possibility. I don't see it
Speaker 1: as a long term parent ill heal champion. Vince only
Speaker 1: goes you know he did that with Yokazuna. I guess
Speaker 1: JBL is kind of a B champion on SmackDown, but
Speaker 1: you know, Vince like is always looking for that lead babyface.
Speaker 1: But russav is a transition champion for a while, especially
Speaker 1: if you're trying to crown somebody new who beats him.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, that can work, and now he might
Speaker 1: be a world champion in the way that Iron Cheek
Speaker 1: was simply to transfer the title one month to the
Speaker 1: next or one you know, big show to the next
Speaker 1: big show to somebody else. All right, up next, John says, Hey,
Speaker 1: Wade and Jason. I've read some reports online in the
Speaker 1: past week that the main roster superstars are why can't
Speaker 1: they're wrestlers superstars? Is WWE's propaganda or Weillian term that
Speaker 1: many main roster wrestlers are frustrated and jealous at the
Speaker 1: freedom given to NXT wrestlers. I was wondering if you
Speaker 1: guys had heard any legitimacy to this report and if
Speaker 1: it may actually and if any change may come out
Speaker 1: of it. Have a great show, guys, and thanks love
Speaker 1: the upgraded audio quality. By the way, that's actually Jonathan
Speaker 1: from Rockford, Illinois. So other than using the term superstars
Speaker 1: with a small s and buying it to the whole
Speaker 1: Orwellian language tricks that WWE plays. It's a good topic, Jason.
Speaker 1: Do you think NXT wrestlers have more freedom than WWE
Speaker 1: wrestlers or as part of the indoctrination process or orientation,
Speaker 1: Maybe is a better term in NXT is get them
Speaker 1: to pace themselves. Tas was talking about that on his
Speaker 1: podcast last week reviewing the NXT special, saying, here doesn't
Speaker 1: think Kevin Owens can take that style to the main
Speaker 1: roster and find anybody who's gonna want to work with
Speaker 1: him night after night doing that. And I talked to
Speaker 1: another wrestler off record who just said, Kevin Owens is
Speaker 1: working a style that gets you main event credibility, but
Speaker 1: once you get over, you don't want to keep working
Speaker 1: that style. And so maybe what Jonathan is sensing is
Speaker 1: that the NXT wrestlers wrestle to get themselves over, which
Speaker 1: means full steam ahead. But when you get to the
Speaker 1: main roster, a lot of the guys not to sustain
Speaker 1: the schedule. They can't work at that pace. So I'm
Speaker 1: not even sure a lot of the guys want to
Speaker 1: work that way, although I could see Ziggler, you know,
Speaker 1: saying I want that freedom, but it seems like he
Speaker 1: has that freedom, so I don't. No, we're about to
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Speaker 2: Your thoughts, Yeah, I's not a complaints I've heard. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't be surprised if there are a lot of complaints
Speaker 2: right now. But NXC, I think naturally, when the young
Speaker 2: guys are putting out a product that's receiving more praise
Speaker 2: than the main roster, you're going to have some jealousy
Speaker 2: in there, you know, are. You just look at the
Speaker 2: structure of those shows, and it is a little more.
Speaker 2: You get to those last three matches and they open
Speaker 2: things up where w it does seem like there's more
Speaker 2: of a concern about saving something for the main event,
Speaker 2: working in a buffer match and things of that nature.
Speaker 2: It's far just the overall in ring style though. I yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's a younger crew working a non
Speaker 2: ww syal that they're still conforming to, and I don't
Speaker 2: know how much of an emphasis is being placed on
Speaker 2: that right now when you see you know, the I mean,
Speaker 2: we've seen some transitioning guys like Zaying. I mean Seth
Speaker 2: Rollins is a guy who went through that obviously, But
Speaker 2: I do yeah, I mean, I just think there's naturally
Speaker 2: going to be some level of jealousy and frustration when
Speaker 2: people are raving about how great this NXT thing is
Speaker 2: and kind of you have the main roster guys going, hey,
Speaker 2: we work hard too, and it's just a lot of
Speaker 2: it is out of their hands because creatively and with
Speaker 2: the presentation it's flawed.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, So I don't think that there's this mass
Speaker 1: number of main roster guys Jason, where like we want
Speaker 1: to work our ass off like the NXT guys do
Speaker 1: once every two or three months.
Speaker 2: No, No, I think so. Yeah, yeah, but is it
Speaker 2: a good excuse if you're a guy who's working in
Speaker 2: the mid card and they're not asking, you know, they're
Speaker 2: giving you seven minutes and they're not letting you go
Speaker 2: out there and just tear the house down because you're,
Speaker 2: you know, working a mid to undercard match on a
Speaker 2: paper baby. Yeah, you know that. I can see where
Speaker 2: guys are complaining. I'm not saying, you know, I don't
Speaker 2: know that you blame the NXT crew for that, but
Speaker 2: I'm sure there's always a lot of I mean, there's
Speaker 2: guys that still say, hey, if I could have done what,
Speaker 2: you know, if I'd been given the freedom that see
Speaker 2: him Punk did during the Pipelomb promo, I could have
Speaker 2: pulled it off. And it's like, no, you couldn't have.
Speaker 2: But it sounds nice.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, And I will say I get where they're
Speaker 1: coming from in the sense it's like it's not an
Speaker 1: either or argument. Punk had a certain credibility based on
Speaker 1: who he was, how he carried himself, where he came
Speaker 1: from that made that work. But there is something about
Speaker 1: Punk using getting an advantage that other guys didn't have,
Speaker 1: which was breaking that fourth wall. It just made sense
Speaker 1: for his character more than it did others. But it
Speaker 1: doesn't make Punk the greatest promo guy ever because he
Speaker 1: did get to break a rule. He did get to
Speaker 1: speak outside of the bounds in the rules of everybody else,
Speaker 1: So it's a little more nuanced. I'm not quite at
Speaker 1: the Jack Corpella stage wherein Friday Jack said, you know, see,
Speaker 1: I'm Punkin in the attitude era would have been a
Speaker 1: lower card guy, and you know, want to have jumped
Speaker 1: out to anybody. I'm certain certainly not anywhere close to that.
Speaker 1: Punk is a phenomenal interview, but he did get to
Speaker 1: be able to have that restriction taken off of You
Speaker 1: did give him a leg up, and there's a reason
Speaker 1: that promo is more memorable than any other one.
Speaker 2: That he did.
Speaker 12: Oh it did.
Speaker 2: But it's just a whole you know, the complaint that
Speaker 2: some of me I just had been given that opportunity.
Speaker 2: I could have done it too, And that's where I
Speaker 2: compare it to NXT. It's like, if I could just
Speaker 2: go out there and just work with reckless abandon for
Speaker 2: twelve minutes instead of the limitations I get. I can
Speaker 2: see where guys start to, you know, come to that
Speaker 2: conclusion where and in some cases they may be right.
Speaker 2: If you know, Tyson Kidd is a guy that probably
Speaker 2: if he was not only on the main roster, be
Speaker 2: going hey, I could do that. And we've seen by
Speaker 2: him going that next heat. Yeah he can do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, all right, I'm next to Brian Allston says
Speaker 1: he's from Phoenix, Arizona. Twenty free year of pros and
Speaker 1: toward subscriber. Big picture, it seems that Big Showman Kine
Speaker 1: are headed to a one on one match at Wrestling
Speaker 1: A thirty one. I'm sure a majority of fans do
Speaker 1: not want to see this parbatly because they fought several
Speaker 1: one hundred times. However, Big Showman Kine should be in
Speaker 1: matches at WrestleMania. So if they don't wrestle each other,
Speaker 1: who should they wrestle? My vote is the Ascension. It
Speaker 1: would have Connor and Victor, two veterans to work with
Speaker 1: and give them a great, high profile win that they
Speaker 1: can brag about.
Speaker 2: Jason, my vote is for the Andre the Giant Memorial
Speaker 2: Battle Royal.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No really, if they are they going to have
Speaker 1: that again.
Speaker 12: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, people are talking about away it's happening, but
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's just because they made a
Speaker 2: big fuss last year and they assume no one has
Speaker 2: mentioned it to me and there's no sign of it.
Speaker 2: But I guess it wouldn't surprise me. It's an easy
Speaker 2: way to get people on the show, and it's it's
Speaker 2: really too bad they didn't do it more with the
Speaker 2: guy who won the first one. It might actually be
Speaker 2: something people would be looking forward to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, the the Ascension. Do you see them on the.
Speaker 2: Show under the giant Memorial Battle Royal?
Speaker 1: But I mean so not a not at a tag match?
Speaker 19: It is?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, hey, it's if it's if they need
Speaker 2: another let's get everyone on the show match where you
Speaker 2: could see you know, some sort of elimination tag you know,
Speaker 2: something like that. Then you get all the tag teams
Speaker 2: on the show that way. I guess it just depends
Speaker 2: how much, you know, how many matches they need to
Speaker 2: get everyone on the show. Yeah, yeah, but I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't think they deserve Like, here's the Ascension match. No,
Speaker 2: it's they're not over and quite frankly, neither a Big
Speaker 2: Showing Kane. I would be more likely to do something
Speaker 2: with Big Show and Kane than the Ascension. And if
Speaker 2: it's they're trying to come up with the reason, you know,
Speaker 2: a way to get Big Show and Kane in a
Speaker 2: in more than the Battle Royal, well, you know, I guess,
Speaker 2: and you could do it, but it would be more
Speaker 2: about them than it would be the Ascension.
Speaker 1: Up next, Wayne from Trades says, I know that we've
Speaker 1: seen this time and time again where they build up
Speaker 1: two baby faces for a match, but I think they
Speaker 1: actually fix the Roman Briand situation to a point where
Speaker 1: now it peaked my interest. By the way some of
Speaker 1: the things have been going on with parts of Rod,
Speaker 1: do you think Vince's letting Triple H actually take more
Speaker 1: control because some of these stories don't seem as goofy
Speaker 1: as Vince's stories. You know, we definitely got a lot
Speaker 1: of feedback email, Twitter, callers, live cast. The end of
Speaker 1: Rod did seem to save or make up for and
Speaker 1: build anticipation for rains Brian and I think if you're
Speaker 1: gonna peak, you want to peek at the very end.
Speaker 1: We'll see what they do tonight on SmackDown. But I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say that this is that this feels so different
Speaker 1: that it has to be Triple Ah.
Speaker 2: No, it goes back to what I said earlier. They're
Speaker 2: they're letting the wrestlers do their thing. They're they're going
Speaker 2: out there and fighting one another. You know, that isn't
Speaker 2: something that it takes Triple Ah or Ryan Ward or anyone,
Speaker 2: you know, Paul Aim and anyone to just say, all right,
Speaker 2: then you're gonna have a big brawl at the end.
Speaker 2: The reason it came off well is because there wasn't dialogue,
Speaker 2: There wasn't any big plot holes. It was just two
Speaker 2: guys getting physical, and so you know, I don't see
Speaker 2: that as a sign necessarily that someone else is more
Speaker 2: involved in this. It just it's not the first time
Speaker 2: we've seen something like this from WWE.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yep, Okay, I'm next. Brian h says, why do
Speaker 1: you have John Cena and Russev's streak? What do you
Speaker 1: think instead of the scenario where Brock retains at Russemania,
Speaker 1: Russev beats Sena and they build a summer slant Russev
Speaker 1: against Brock, I could see Lana interfering here. And Russev
Speaker 1: even going over. Russev defends the title until Russemania twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen russe Mada thirty two, where Brock gets his rematch
Speaker 1: and ends the streak. If done correctly, this could be
Speaker 1: a great storyline with a tremendous payoff as the main
Speaker 1: event in Dalla.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see Brock Lesner as a babyface,
Speaker 2: so I say no to that. But if they are
Speaker 2: going in that direction, then I think it makes sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yep, if Bronco's babyface being the first guy to
Speaker 1: beat Russev, if Sena can't. I'm not sure WWE wants
Speaker 1: to make that statement that Lesner greater than Sena, But
Speaker 1: if that's in the back of their mind, then I
Speaker 1: think they, you know they if they think Rusev Lesner
Speaker 1: is a money matter and that's the match for Lesner
Speaker 1: to really be a strong babyface at Wresselmania thirty one,
Speaker 1: I mean I could. I would say keep that in
Speaker 1: mind as you watched the booking. I've seen a Rusev
Speaker 1: over the next few weeks and really the next you
Speaker 1: know till resume.
Speaker 2: And I get the other thing with Rusev. He touched
Speaker 2: on it earlier. He doesn't strike me as a Vince
Speaker 2: McMahon long term heel champion guy. So I don't know
Speaker 2: that they didn't invest. I don't know that he'd be
Speaker 2: the one to take down brock Lesner unless it was,
Speaker 2: you know, some sort of cheating involved. I just I
Speaker 2: don't know that if Rock were leaving, I don't know
Speaker 2: that Rusev would be the guy who would passed the
Speaker 2: torch to it. Just Vince's history of using you know,
Speaker 2: heels as champion isn't strong. I don't know that he
Speaker 2: would want to build his company around this heel Russian menace.
Speaker 2: Could It'd be more of a short term thing to me.
Speaker 2: It would be all right, it's a setup for whoever
Speaker 2: is going to take down the heel Russian menace.
Speaker 1: All right, up next Anthony, you remember from Australia another
Speaker 1: US He says, was it just me? Or did Roman
Speaker 1: basically no sell everything Daniel threw at him in the
Speaker 1: brawl A the end of raw even the chair shot ridiculous.
Speaker 1: I thought, were they intending to leave the crowd in
Speaker 1: any doubt that Roman would go over strong at Festlinge.
Speaker 1: I wonder if Vince told Roman to no sell or
Speaker 1: if he took it upon himself, if he doesn't sell
Speaker 1: in the match, will it be as ugly as the
Speaker 1: brawl itself. That is the other side of the argument
Speaker 1: about Rains Brian is you know, you know, I say it, well,
Speaker 1: Seen of dominating Russev means Seen is going to lose.
Speaker 1: Does Rains dominated dominating Brian mean Rains is going to lose?
Speaker 1: Or is this actually the exception to kind of that
Speaker 1: rule in that Rains is just being told just like
Speaker 1: Seampunk was in December of twenty thirteen. Make sure Rains
Speaker 1: looks strong and maybe Brian's being told the same thing.
Speaker 2: How long did Daniel Brian sell that big forearm?
Speaker 1: Didn't he just get thrown into the ring right afterwards?
Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, I think I'm asking you because I
Speaker 2: don't know. Yeah, I don't remember there being a lot
Speaker 2: of selling. I mean, it was a brawl and you'dt
Speaker 2: one guy get momentum briefly and the other guy take
Speaker 2: it back. I just I didn't read too much into it.
Speaker 2: I just kind of thought it was two guys brawling,
Speaker 2: and if anything, I took away the possibility that they're
Speaker 2: setting up that, Okay, these two have this intention dislike
Speaker 2: for one another, and they have some sort of a
Speaker 2: you know, double fill in the count out DQ finish
Speaker 2: and somehow they both end up in WrestleMania.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, so I And that's that's what we'll see
Speaker 1: on Sunday is is how does how does how does
Speaker 1: it play out? And then we'll look back at these
Speaker 1: clues and go, ah, you know, maybe we should have
Speaker 1: seen it coming. The You know, Michael Cole I thought
Speaker 1: was at his best last last night, you know, when
Speaker 1: he was shouting let him fight, let him fight, and
Speaker 1: uh or the fans r actually channing let him fight,
Speaker 1: and then Cole sold the fans on the notion, hey,
Speaker 1: they're gonna do all their fighting on Sunday and and
Speaker 1: I but overall, I just thought Cole added to the
Speaker 1: excitement of the moment and JB. Ellen Booker were either
Speaker 1: able to add to it or stay out of the way.
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Speaker 2: At pw torchdailycast dot com. Yeah, he was fine. I
Speaker 2: you know, he chimes in at times like that when
Speaker 2: the intensity is high at the end of the show.
Speaker 2: He usually does a pretty pretty damn good job. And
Speaker 2: then Booker and JBO might get a clever line at
Speaker 2: the end that is probably being fed to them by manage. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I keep waiting. I was excited, Whig when you were
Speaker 2: talking about the new role or the new division they
Speaker 2: had for Booker t where he would stand up to
Speaker 2: JBL Moore in that. And it's just, you know, it's
Speaker 2: another thing where I'm certainly not questioning what you reported,
Speaker 2: but it's just I'm sitting here going damn again, it
Speaker 2: sounds really good and they should follow through on what
Speaker 2: they were saying, but I'm not you know, The only
Speaker 2: positive I can say I can find in Booker t
Speaker 2: right now is that he's not what the character that
Speaker 2: he was on the pre shows. You know, he's not
Speaker 2: over the top. There are times I forget he's there though.
Speaker 1: That's a thing he's not as a sort of last
Speaker 1: night and this is what I had heard he was
Speaker 1: going to do more of, and he actually started doing it,
Speaker 1: which is he was saying and I can't remember during
Speaker 1: what match it was, but he was like, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: there's a match in the ring. Like he said that
Speaker 1: several times during the show to JBL and Cole as
Speaker 1: they as they were going off on different things. So
Speaker 1: there there were times where Booker was trying to keep
Speaker 1: cole and and JBL from getting too far off from
Speaker 1: calling the actual match. Ye, so that's good, that's what
Speaker 1: I reported that you know, he would hopefully be doing.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree with you. I don't think he
Speaker 1: stood up enough to the uh, you know, JBL just
Speaker 1: being inconsistent, and you know, it doesn't help in Bookers
Speaker 1: saying that, you know, the Funk Brothers aren't the Funk
Speaker 1: brothers and Steiners aren't really brothers. That doesn't help his case.
Speaker 1: His credibility.
Speaker 2: Literally.
Speaker 1: JBL's like, yeah, you know, this's there's a risk between
Speaker 1: brothers all the time, like the Funks, Briscos, and Steiners,
Speaker 1: and Booker goes, well, yes, but they weren't brothers. They
Speaker 1: weren't all brothers. And he goes, well, the Funks were brothers,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, so the Briscos and Steiners weren't. So
Speaker 1: I don't know maybe if he didn't hear him or
Speaker 1: what that was, but anyhow, you know, Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: Booker is not going to be color Commentator of the Year.
Speaker 1: I think he's bringing something different than Lawler brought to
Speaker 1: the show, although I really think Lawler was necessary would
Speaker 1: have been it would have been nice for Lawler to
Speaker 1: show up just for that page segment with the white towel.
Speaker 2: What was that So she's nude backstage before her matches.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe she was taking a pre match shower or
Speaker 1: posing her selfies in the mirror. I don't know, that'll
Speaker 1: get leaked later. Yeah, No, that's a good point, Like
Speaker 1: why was it gear just sitting out and she had
Speaker 1: no other clothing on, but she was in a white towel.
Speaker 1: It's like she got she just robed of her street clothes.
Speaker 1: In one room, the Bella snuck in and took her
Speaker 1: wrestling gear, and then she walked into the other room
Speaker 1: to put the gear on. I guess that's what we're
Speaker 1: supposed to believe. Everything about that was just cheesy as
Speaker 1: all get.
Speaker 2: Up, and none of it's working. You know, nothing they
Speaker 2: do with the demons these days is working. It's not
Speaker 2: really bad. I just cringe every time they come on
Speaker 2: television because I just know like that this is going
Speaker 2: to be bad. Vince McMahon vision of women's wrestling. It's
Speaker 2: terrible if you see what's going on in NXT. The athleticism,
Speaker 2: the fact that they're treated like athletes. And we get
Speaker 2: some of that, you know, from Bailey, because Bailey is
Speaker 2: a different character and so yeah, the keels pick on
Speaker 2: her and things like that, but it's done in a
Speaker 2: way where you actually care about the person is being
Speaker 2: done to. It doesn't just feel like, oh, the Bellas
Speaker 2: are doing their weekly mean girl skit that isn't going
Speaker 2: to go anywhere. That's why I'm so leary of Charlotte
Speaker 2: being called up is because if Vince's vision of the
Speaker 2: Diva's division isn't going to change, then she's going to
Speaker 2: mean what Page has, which isn't much. And I hate
Speaker 2: to say that. I mean, look at the women they've
Speaker 2: already called up. There's some talented women there. Emma's doing nothing.
Speaker 2: Page is in the spotlight as much as you can
Speaker 2: be in the divas division, and she's not making a difference.
Speaker 2: And it's not her fault, it's the presentation.
Speaker 1: I totally agree. All right, let's try it. I want
Speaker 1: to sneak in at least one more email here. This
Speaker 1: is on the Brian Rains topic. It's another point of view.
Speaker 1: This is Elliott from Atlanta. He says, I've been pretty
Speaker 1: lukewarm on the Rains Brian feud until last night's raw.
Speaker 1: Normally I like clear baby faces and heels in a feud,
Speaker 1: but both Brian and Rain showed a ton of passion
Speaker 1: for WrestleMania at the end of the show. I can
Speaker 1: get past some of the antics they both exhibited earlier
Speaker 1: on if it ends at fast Lane? Do you think
Speaker 1: Wresselmania fever is an acceptable reason for Babyfaces to do
Speaker 1: heal antics they normally wouldn't. And as a side note,
Speaker 1: I felt this was the best Rains was so far
Speaker 1: as a character I think Brian brings out a lot
Speaker 1: of personality and this is one of the few face
Speaker 1: face matchups I've enjoyed. Bruce talked about how we didn't
Speaker 1: think Brian and Rains had credibility. Jason, Bruce Mitchell, what
Speaker 1: do you think about the chemistry and Brian bringing out
Speaker 1: the best in Rains through last night's raw?
Speaker 2: Okay, let me go back to the question. Can they
Speaker 2: heal it up because of what's on the line? Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe if someone were telling that story and you didn't
Speaker 2: have to reach as a viewer to come to that conclusion,
Speaker 2: you know that if there might be a way to
Speaker 2: do it. They're not. They're not telling that story, you know.
Speaker 2: Michael Cole was in talking about that. Daniel Brian and
Speaker 2: Roman Rains aren't talking about it. It's just their miscast.
Speaker 2: They're they're they're doing self destructive things with those you
Speaker 2: know as characters. I mean, Daniel Brian is going around
Speaker 2: the ring doing the yes bit and no one's doing
Speaker 2: it along with him, and I just he wade. I
Speaker 2: think it's time to tone down on the yes bit.
Speaker 2: I think it's starting to feel old. And I've been
Speaker 2: saying that for a while now. I just it's okay
Speaker 2: when the fans do it naturally. I don't need to
Speaker 2: see Daniel Brian doing it, you know, five times a night.
Speaker 2: It's time to scale back on that. But you have
Speaker 2: leaders of the company who feel like that's the only
Speaker 2: reason he's over, and so I don't know that it's
Speaker 2: going to change anytime soon.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I thought it was dangerous of Brian last
Speaker 1: night to say, oh, if Rains thinks the y s
Speaker 1: Chance are bothering him tonight, wait until Sunday. Like I
Speaker 1: think you kind of let the fans cheer for you
Speaker 1: without guaranteeing they're going to cheer for you ahead of time. Again,
Speaker 1: that was out of character for Brian, And it does
Speaker 1: get to the issue that of the email or email question,
Speaker 1: which is maybe people just lose sight of who they
Speaker 1: are in the frenzy to get to the WrestleMania main event.
Speaker 1: And I think a big key is how do they
Speaker 1: come out of whatever happens on Sunday? And what does
Speaker 1: Brian do to recalibrate himself after what happened between the
Speaker 1: Rumble and Fast Lane. If he recalibrates himself then to
Speaker 1: who he used to be. I think all can be
Speaker 1: forgiven and mostly fixed chemistry wise, as long as Rains
Speaker 1: is showing more personality than he has before and Brian
Speaker 1: is bringing it out of him in a way that
Speaker 1: maybe Rains is really feeling, because there's a legitimate feeling
Speaker 1: that Brian is kind of getting in the way of
Speaker 1: Rain's being the top tier guy and as he told
Speaker 1: Sam Roberts, hopefully getting rich along the way by doing
Speaker 1: what management tells him. If Brian's popularity really is getting
Speaker 1: in his way and Rains is a little bit irked
Speaker 1: by that, then so be it. That's Vince mc matt
Speaker 1: always wants that, he wants two guys bringing out the
Speaker 1: best in each other. It's been rocky. I think the
Speaker 1: booking has let him down. I think the format of
Speaker 1: SmackDown last week and the way that they played into
Speaker 1: things let them down. I thought, I don't know how
Speaker 1: many people picked up on it, but I just thought
Speaker 1: it was hugely hypocritical for Roman Reigns to complain about
Speaker 1: the USO's breaking up a pin on Brian and then
Speaker 1: later in the show Rains break Rains break up a
Speaker 1: pin on Brian, or when one of the no Rain's
Speaker 1: complained about one of the usso's breaking up a pin
Speaker 1: on another USSO and when Brian had the cover, and
Speaker 1: then later Rain's actually broke up a pin on Brian,
Speaker 1: like he literally did what he complained about the usso's
Speaker 1: doing earlier. You just can't do that as a baby face,
Speaker 1: and rain should be smarter to see that and pointed out,
Speaker 1: you know, and he just didn't. And the other thing
Speaker 1: I don't like is when rain says I went through
Speaker 1: thirty guys to win the rumble, and you could say
Speaker 1: it's nitpicking, but I think babyfaces need to boast about
Speaker 1: what they do and not be loose with the facts.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's news anchors, Brian Williams, you gotta
Speaker 1: be You can't exaggerate to put yourself over if you
Speaker 1: want people to trust you. And as a lead babyface,
Speaker 1: I think Rain's needs to phrase it differently and say
Speaker 1: I outlasted everybody in that thirty man match, you know,
Speaker 1: or something along those exactly. There are ways to say
Speaker 1: it with Finesse instead of making it sound like he
Speaker 1: was the number one guy in the match. He wasn't.
Speaker 1: He got their mid match and he laid around and
Speaker 1: then he ducked and he watched two guys canaan big
Speaker 1: show self destruct and then he ducked a chart jing rusev.
Speaker 1: I mean, he just didn't do enough to be bragging
Speaker 1: about eliminating and out and you know, fending off thirty
Speaker 1: guys or twenty nine other guys. It just did not
Speaker 1: happen that way. So anyway, I mean, I just think
Speaker 1: there's a lot of recovery that needs to happen on Monday,
Speaker 1: a lot of recalibration, and I hope it happens. But
Speaker 1: I do think last night, Jason, to just end on
Speaker 1: this note, I think they got people excited about that match,
Speaker 1: even with all the flaws in the last couple of
Speaker 1: minutes of that show.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Hey, the less that Vincent and the writers do
Speaker 2: as far as the scripting dialogue for these guys, the better.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's really what I took away from the
Speaker 2: end of that show.
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