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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine hileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than on

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So, since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families. Each Tuesday we bring you our thoughts on

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<v Speaker 2>a newer entertainment property, and for this week of July

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ninth, we're continuing with A Gentleman in Moscow, a

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<v Speaker 2>limited series on Paramount Plus. This one was called Good Times.

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<v Speaker 2>How good were the times?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there were a lot. It was a long time,

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<v Speaker 1>so some of them were good, right, right.

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<v Speaker 2>We had a romance in the kitchen, Yeah, which was sweet,

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<v Speaker 2>especially with this sun like observing as this went down.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that was very sweet and unexpected, and we ever

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<v Speaker 1>had any kints or mentions of that previous to this episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>It could be so like encompassed like ten.

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<v Speaker 2>Years, right, it was quite a lot of time, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so plenty of time. He could have started at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of the ten years and he had had

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<v Speaker 1>his nerve up by.

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<v Speaker 2>The end of them, so right, yes, something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>So well, by the end of the ten years they

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<v Speaker 1>had a kid, So it's six years or so. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>No, they didn't have a kid. That was her son

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<v Speaker 2>from before.

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<v Speaker 1>No, but I think there was. She was holding it oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, right right, yes, at the very end. Then there

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<v Speaker 2>was baby, yes, or a toddler.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct, the older her son of her pre existing son

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<v Speaker 1>looked on from the kitchen. Yes, not the only child

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<v Speaker 1>introduced into this stool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I was waiting for oh little so.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my goodness, happy to meet you, Sophia, but so

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<v Speaker 1>sad about the circumstances. Yes, yikes. That took a turn. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that could have been anticipated, but still was

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<v Speaker 1>especially heartbreaking.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean I anticipated it because I read the book. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but I don't know that. Did you feel like you

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<v Speaker 2>had hints that that was coming?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean, you knew she was going to this

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<v Speaker 1>place that Misha, Yeah, that Misha then said is not

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<v Speaker 1>a good place, and why so you kind of figure

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<v Speaker 1>she's going to get a rude awakening. But I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>think about it that far ahead. She would have married

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<v Speaker 1>and had a child, be you know, basically coming to

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<v Speaker 1>the hotel to say goodbye to the count before she

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<v Speaker 1>went and died. That's what it seems like. So it's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't know what was gonna come of that, but

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't have I didn't have real good feelings about it,

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<v Speaker 1>even before Mische told his story. When she's just just

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<v Speaker 1>me and my comrade's gonna go right farms, he'll be great. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>discussed in past I think last week. Oh sweetie, you're

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<v Speaker 1>so young, yes, yes, and so impressionable to really bad ideas.

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<v Speaker 3>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, who would have thought that if you kick

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<v Speaker 1>all the farmers off the farms, that that might be

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<v Speaker 1>trouble grown food?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, these are the good times.

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<v Speaker 1>They made sure to say that in the hotel, right,

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<v Speaker 1>people still had food. Right in the hotel, everything was

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<v Speaker 1>good as long as you didn't cross anybody, right, which

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<v Speaker 1>good luck with that, yes, exactly. You know, even if

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<v Speaker 1>you are an American newspaper person, you know what to

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<v Speaker 1>what information? Not even in an elevator. Yikes, that was

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<v Speaker 1>that was unfortunate. That really was and uh not not

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<v Speaker 1>good times by the end there it's yeah, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the contrast in terms of his his enjailment, he seems

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<v Speaker 1>to be coping fine. It's become a waiter, yes, which

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<v Speaker 1>is hilarious, right, but that's where all his friends are anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>so why not? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And in the book, I feel like he made

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<v Speaker 2>a lot more use of his secret room. Although in

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<v Speaker 2>this episode we had Misha hiding in there, so yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that was important, but I felt like he was he

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<v Speaker 2>was always there and having parties and you know, just full,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. But also in the book, in the book,

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<v Speaker 2>it did make it seem like his main you know,

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<v Speaker 2>his initial room was very teeny teeny yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>far smaller than what they've got here.

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<v Speaker 1>So and he got a fake camera in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. And I don't know how they'll do this.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the book, I mean, who knows if this

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<v Speaker 2>is a spoiler for what's coming, but it's it's not important.

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<v Speaker 2>In the book, there was so little room that he

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<v Speaker 2>elevated his bed somehow with you know, books or something

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<v Speaker 2>something to lift it off the ground, and he put

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<v Speaker 2>Sophia in the bed and he's lept on the floor

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<v Speaker 2>under the bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>He made like bunk beds for them.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I thought maybe he would put her in the

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<v Speaker 1>little hidden room since I don't know is she's supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to be there. Well, we'll see, yes, yes we will.

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<v Speaker 2>So, yeah, we'll see how how they handle that in this.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's you know, after all the tragic things you

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<v Speaker 1>saw coming, like you know, Misha wasn't gonna be long

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<v Speaker 1>for the show that I didn't see that quite coming,

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<v Speaker 1>in that detail of there being a new little child

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<v Speaker 1>there for him too, well grandparents at this point, I guess, right, Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>she looks like she's wtf is going on here?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, she's pretty yeah, pretty shocked or pretty yeah, pretty

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<v Speaker 3>just you know, traumatized, Yes, exactly, because I imagine things

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<v Speaker 3>haven't been so great for her either.

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<v Speaker 1>No, dad got arrested, and yeah it is it is

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<v Speaker 1>a real I mean, even though good times, but there

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<v Speaker 1>is a certain amount of shelter and remove in the hotel. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not seeing this stuff firsthand, you know, it's happened

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<v Speaker 1>and you're being told about it, but your little world,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when somebody's not threatening your friends with death,

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<v Speaker 1>if you don't spy on other people and all that,

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<v Speaker 1>but still comparatively good times.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And then there's the whole you know, camaraderie among

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<v Speaker 2>the yes, I use the word comrade among the staff,

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, you know they're not so far you know,

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<v Speaker 2>riding each other out and turning on each other in

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<v Speaker 2>the way that.

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<v Speaker 1>The one guy got pulled out in a way that

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<v Speaker 1>did not suggest he was going to be coming back

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<v Speaker 1>to work. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so I worry about them.

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<v Speaker 1>They have it too good. Yeah, yeah, this is true,

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<v Speaker 1>so to speak. But it was I I am glad

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<v Speaker 1>that after that original scene of Nina coming back with

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<v Speaker 1>her friends and being you know, the Nina, same Nina

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<v Speaker 1>as at the end of the previous Yeah, humorless and

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<v Speaker 1>not lovable, right, that she came back and was so

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<v Speaker 1>sweet and so much showing signs of her old self. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>And that lovely little time with.

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<v Speaker 2>Him that's seen when they were up on the roof

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, she just lays her head on his shoulder

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<v Speaker 2>and then he Yeah, very very sweet.

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<v Speaker 1>That was lovely and it was such a such a

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<v Speaker 1>father daughter moment between them. And you know, he says

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<v Speaker 1>to her, the importance of good posture and manners is timeless.

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<v Speaker 1>He must also refrain from rolling our eyes. All those

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<v Speaker 1>who have said that to children of a certain age

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<v Speaker 1>is your hand. Yes, and she says, we must respect

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<v Speaker 1>our gray haired elders. Yes, dang right and sweet and

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<v Speaker 1>don't you forget it. Oh, And then he says the

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<v Speaker 1>heart must always be a priority, which maybe not such

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<v Speaker 1>good advice as it turns out, but still, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's hard in a situation where you know things are

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<v Speaker 1>perilous and probably never going to be right to still,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, buck up a young person, and you know

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<v Speaker 1>you want them to remember the things that are important.

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<v Speaker 1>But at the same time, remembering the things that are

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<v Speaker 1>important can be costly, as they turned out to be

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<v Speaker 1>for Misha. And yet you can't really just let them go.

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<v Speaker 1>It's difficult. It's difficult shepherding, shepherding kids or even oneself

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<v Speaker 1>through that sort of time, which to some degree has

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<v Speaker 1>resonance today. Yes, that's probably any time.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>I was amused that at some point his jailor what

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<v Speaker 1>oh sip right said the classic line which Brian Grubb,

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<v Speaker 1>who's a writer we both enjoy, often makes jokes about,

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<v Speaker 1>is the line we're not so different to you. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we's got to see him with his family and his

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<v Speaker 1>own surly teen that's right, popp It, and his disapproving

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<v Speaker 1>wife like you know, how dare you bring work to

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<v Speaker 1>the table here, even though you know work his life

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<v Speaker 1>right at this particular period in history. Yeah, so we

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<v Speaker 1>are meant clearly to have a little sympathy for that dude,

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<v Speaker 1>even though he is sometimes quite unsympathetic. Even the bad

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<v Speaker 1>guys have children who don't listen to.

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<v Speaker 2>Who don't appreciate getting a birthday cake in a hotel.

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<v Speaker 1>And wives who disapproved. Yes, oh my goodness, she was

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<v Speaker 1>a little icy. So it's interesting where it will go

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<v Speaker 1>from here. Probably nowhere good, but perhaps with little, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>little bits of happiness in there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, now we have another little.

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<v Speaker 1>Kid, that's right. I bet she would enjoy bread with

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<v Speaker 2>She probably is gonna have to.

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<v Speaker 1>If she wants to eat. Yep, I'm gonna get probably

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<v Speaker 1>can't go to the dining room. We'll see. So you said,

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<v Speaker 1>this encompasses forty years in.

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<v Speaker 2>All that's kind of just a stab. That's a guess.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we've gotten ten at this point, maybe more.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably more, because maybe more like fifteen.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it was six thousand some days at the end,

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<v Speaker 1>so it must have been ten at the beginning, and

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<v Speaker 1>then it went up by that. Anyway, right time, it'd

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<v Speaker 1>be moving along.

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<v Speaker 2>It'd be moving along. Yeah. I mean we've seen Emil

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<v Speaker 2>and Marine, the chef and Maria that, you know, have

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<v Speaker 2>a whole relationship a kid, and that kid was like

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<v Speaker 2>arms right, that kid was like two or three. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say maybe it was around ten at the beginning

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<v Speaker 2>of the episode, and yes, fifteen by the end or

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<v Speaker 2>something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I think it was a six year jump at

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<v Speaker 1>the end, so well, good for them, happy to be

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<v Speaker 1>spared all the individual indignities of those six years. Just

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<v Speaker 1>get them as a lump, right. But hmm, yeah, there's a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lot of more to go.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yes, I know. That's something I was at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of this after they took that big leap.

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<v Speaker 1>I said, there's still four more episodes really only half done.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well there's yeah, there's some big, big stories still

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<v Speaker 2>to come.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, huh, so doesn't sound like the actress's career

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be going anywhere good, so going to

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<v Speaker 1>have been going so I wonderful. We'll see her again,

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<v Speaker 1>probably in less posh circumstances. Well, Sie, she seems like

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<v Speaker 2>Yes she does, so good for you, Mary Elizabeth Twinston.

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<v Speaker 1>I like the like the brown hair instead of the blonde.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it suits her. We got a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>more backstory on what happened with the Count's sister. That's right.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a whole guy killed in a duel. So

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<v Speaker 1>it wasn't just that he sent Michael away and then

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<v Speaker 1>she killed herself. It was she then got involved with

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<v Speaker 1>a bad dude who the Count had to kill, is

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<v Speaker 1>what it seems. Yes, there were two appeared to be

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<v Speaker 1>two actors there, one shooting the other, and they both

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they they were extremely blurry and yeah, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>made it very difficult for you to believe, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, sure one of those dudes is the Count and

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<v Speaker 1>the rather what is the boyfriend.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, who abused her in some way, you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean like, yeah, she was like beaten up, so.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, so more to come on that, I mean, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>but not from conversations with Misha, I suspect could be wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't think he'd be coming back from being taken outside,

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<v Speaker 1>but you never know, right, And I also enjoyed at

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<v Speaker 1>one point Misha said, where does it end? If everyone

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<v Speaker 1>accepts the lies and only thinks of themselves? What kind

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<v Speaker 1>of world are we left with lies upon lies until

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<v Speaker 1>the truth ceases to exist? And that is something you

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<v Speaker 1>need to teach to your children. Is very difficult, especially

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<v Speaker 1>in a time when everybody is accepting the lies and

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<v Speaker 1>only thinking of themselves. How do you you teach them

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<v Speaker 1>good values? And you know if it's gonna harm them?

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<v Speaker 1>So yikes. Right, Fortunately it was only that time when

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<v Speaker 1>this happened, and never never wrustle with that particular issue. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>So what is the title of the next one? Can

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<v Speaker 1>we anticipate from it whether the times will be good

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<v Speaker 1>or bad or indifferent?

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<v Speaker 2>So next Tuesday we'll talk about episode five and it

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<v Speaker 2>is called an Arrival. So I don't know if that's

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<v Speaker 2>more referring to the arrival of Sophia the little girl

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<v Speaker 2>that that really happened at the end of this episode

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<v Speaker 2>that we just watched, or if there's some other other

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<v Speaker 2>stuff happening. We'll see and we'll see you back here

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<v Speaker 2>tomorrow for a discussion of the two thousand and four

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<v Speaker 2>series Lost Lost, speaking of time moving in irregular ways.

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