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<v Speaker 1>Hey, this is Fredgreen of golf Smarter with our sixth

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<v Speaker 1>installment of spring Back into Golf Season with the late

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<v Speaker 1>Tony Manzoni. This episode was part two of our conversation

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<v Speaker 1>originally number four hundred and nine for members only from

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<v Speaker 1>November twenty thirteen. His book The Loss Fundamental is available

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<v Speaker 2>For members only. Golf Smarter number four hundred and nine,

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<v Speaker 2>published on November five, twenty thirteen. A good Golfer's Arms

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<v Speaker 2>never passed the Body with Tony Manzoni. This is golf Smarter.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to golf Smarter for members only.

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<v Speaker 1>Tony.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Fred, Thank you again for sticking around and

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<v Speaker 2>recording forget the recording, for sticking around and answering more

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<v Speaker 2>of my questions.

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<v Speaker 3>I just love it. Fred.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's very kind of you. There's many things that

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<v Speaker 2>you said in our last conversation that I want to

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<v Speaker 2>bring back and get more detail from you out of that.

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<v Speaker 2>Like when you talked about being under pressure and hooking

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<v Speaker 2>the ball. You said, when you were playing competitively when

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<v Speaker 2>you were young, whenever you were under pressure, you would

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<v Speaker 2>hook the ball. Now forty to fifty years later and

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<v Speaker 2>you look back on that, do you know what that was?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure? I know what it was. As I got into

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<v Speaker 3>learning to be more of a connected rotating or having

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<v Speaker 3>a connected rotating swing, I realized that the moving of

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<v Speaker 3>the of the left arm the right arm for that matter,

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<v Speaker 3>but to the left round when you go back in

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<v Speaker 3>the back swing, no matter how you take it back

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<v Speaker 3>to your left round goes somewhat across your chest, okay, and

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<v Speaker 3>it connects somewhere near the left arm pit and the

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<v Speaker 3>right arm pit. So that's why you see a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of tour players will put a towel across their chest

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<v Speaker 3>and then put their arms on the top of the

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<v Speaker 3>toe and hit shots that way. What they're doing, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it's it's restrictive in a way, but they're teaching themselves

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<v Speaker 3>that the body moves the arms, the arms will move

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<v Speaker 3>off the body and then back on the body. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not to say that you can't do that, and there

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<v Speaker 3>have been some good players that did that, but I

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<v Speaker 3>don't think they had very long careers. Without naming a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of guys, there's a lot of guys on the

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<v Speaker 3>senior tour now that can't play a lit that were

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<v Speaker 3>champions on the regular tour, and it's because their game

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<v Speaker 3>was based on disconnecting and connecting, swaying to the right

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<v Speaker 3>and swaying to the left and so forth. But in

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<v Speaker 3>my swing, what I realize is that when my arms

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<v Speaker 3>get to impact before my left side is clear, then

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<v Speaker 3>my because the head is hairier than the handle. If

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<v Speaker 3>you swing the arms away from the body and just

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<v Speaker 3>swing a golf club, you'll see that the club head

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<v Speaker 3>turns over prior to impact because because of the weight,

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<v Speaker 3>the weight of the handle way to the head. The

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<v Speaker 3>head weight will roll the clubhead. So these people that

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<v Speaker 3>try to teach people to roll the clubhead, if you

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<v Speaker 3>just swing your arms ahead of your body, it's gonna roll.

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<v Speaker 3>If I want to hook a ball around a corner,

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<v Speaker 3>I just keep my back of the target and throw

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<v Speaker 3>my arm forward and that clubcase is closed. A foot

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<v Speaker 3>from the ball, so I'm gonna I'm gonna snipe of it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>well that's what I did under pressure, because under pressure

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<v Speaker 3>we all get a little fast on the down. Can't

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<v Speaker 3>help it. And I didn't realize that the faster my

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<v Speaker 3>arms went, the slower my body went. So they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>correspond and they won't. You throw your arms ahead of

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<v Speaker 3>your body, and there's a saying the good golfer's arms

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<v Speaker 3>never passed the body, never passed the body. And you say,

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<v Speaker 3>wait a minute, I see the club, but it's not

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<v Speaker 3>because if you follow the turning of the bottom, the

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<v Speaker 3>club is standing in front of the body, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>not going past it. So this is how it works,

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<v Speaker 3>real simple. You stand up to the ball. I like

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<v Speaker 3>you to set up sixty forty. You take the club back.

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<v Speaker 3>It goes across your chest and it connects somewhere high

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<v Speaker 3>on the left tectoral muscle. Okay, when you get to

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<v Speaker 3>the top, instead of letting the arms come free of

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<v Speaker 3>the body and pulling the arms down, keep the position

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<v Speaker 3>that you have at the top and rotate your chest area.

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<v Speaker 3>And now I'm not gonna say hips, because if you're

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<v Speaker 3>on that left side, you don't have to throw your

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<v Speaker 3>legs first or any of that craziness. Unwind which wound up.

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<v Speaker 3>Unwind your chest and shoulders around your pivot leg, pulling

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<v Speaker 3>your arm through, and if you'll unwind properly, you'll be

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<v Speaker 3>unwinding to the left, just like on the backswing you

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<v Speaker 3>had to unwind to the right. So when you unwind,

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<v Speaker 3>your body's going to turn to the left. So when

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<v Speaker 3>you finish your golf swing, your right shoulder should pointing

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<v Speaker 3>at the target. The center of your chest should be

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<v Speaker 3>pointing quite a bit left of the target. And if

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<v Speaker 3>you watch the tour ladies or men's you'll see that

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<v Speaker 3>that's how most of the players are finishing. No one's

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<v Speaker 3>jilted back with high hands. Everything is around because players

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<v Speaker 3>are finding that's a more effective way to play. So

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<v Speaker 3>when we're connected, and and I mentioned that at the

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<v Speaker 3>right arm, sure, because the right arm can't come loose

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<v Speaker 3>and go out away from the body on the downswing

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<v Speaker 3>because the elbow will be out of position. So that

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<v Speaker 3>closed armpit of the right side is just as important

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<v Speaker 3>as a closed armpit on the left side. So with

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<v Speaker 3>both of them closed, the right with the right arm

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<v Speaker 3>does in the backswing is you turn the right arm

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<v Speaker 3>folds to a position and that's and that's your position.

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<v Speaker 3>But that's how you get the club back. You don't

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<v Speaker 3>do it with your wrist cock. You do the arm fold, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>and it sets the wrist so that the club head

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<v Speaker 3>or the chef, the shaft in your left arm four

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<v Speaker 3>form kind of an l position. Okay, we want to

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<v Speaker 3>be position. That's too much risk. We want this elow

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<v Speaker 3>position the club. Your back is to the target. The

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<v Speaker 3>club looks three quarters and if you look at the

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<v Speaker 3>tour today, you'll see most everybody like that. You don't

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<v Speaker 3>see that past parallel look except for a few out there.

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<v Speaker 3>And they have one commonality. They get wild with the driver.

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<v Speaker 3>They don't know if it's going right or left under pressure. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>the ones that are compact, they're popping it in the

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<v Speaker 3>center all the time. Louis lusehavn just a bunch of

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<v Speaker 3>them that are rotators. But anyway, so we're at the

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<v Speaker 3>top of the swing. The left arm is connected high

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<v Speaker 3>in the pectoral the right arm you can be holding

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<v Speaker 3>a handkerchief under the armpit. The elbow is not touching

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<v Speaker 3>the bout it just the armpit is closed. You just

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<v Speaker 3>take that and you rotate to the left around the

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<v Speaker 3>pivot leg, which is your left leg if you're right handed,

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<v Speaker 3>and you just keep rotating and the club comes last.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's kind of like a hockey player. That the

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<v Speaker 3>action of a hockey player with a stick to a puck.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a one piece action. It's not a throw of

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<v Speaker 3>the arms, is a rotation of the body. On my video,

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<v Speaker 3>you can see that little exercise I do that makes

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<v Speaker 3>you instantly feel this. And if there's any one thing

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<v Speaker 3>that you must do, it's fats. And you know, Ben

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<v Speaker 3>Hogan said, you take all your natural instincts and do

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<v Speaker 3>the opposite, you'll have a pretty good golf swing. And

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<v Speaker 3>he's absolutely right, because when the ball is down on

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<v Speaker 3>the ground and we've got the club in our hands,

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<v Speaker 3>the tendency for us is to hit down on that

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<v Speaker 3>golf ball to throw those arms. And we've been told

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<v Speaker 3>hit down on the ball. If you have the club,

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<v Speaker 3>let's say a shoal or heighth, and you swing it

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<v Speaker 3>to the other side, the club has to come down

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<v Speaker 3>to go up, so there's no need to try to

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<v Speaker 3>hit down because all you're going to do is you're

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<v Speaker 3>going to great tension, and you're going and you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to get steeper than you should. The swing has a

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<v Speaker 3>shape to it. It's it's kind of a U shape,

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<v Speaker 3>so there is a bottom to it, but you don't

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<v Speaker 3>need to do anything to get there. It has to

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<v Speaker 3>get there for it to go back up on the

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<v Speaker 3>other side. So I never advocate hitting down on a

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<v Speaker 3>golf ball because then you're thinking about impact too much.

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<v Speaker 3>And then what we get into anticipating impact, which causes

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<v Speaker 3>a tension. And that's why all the beginners. You see

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<v Speaker 3>beginners top the ball and the guy says, you looked up, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>And then you got their faces glued to the ground

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<v Speaker 3>and glued to the ball, and they still top it

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<v Speaker 3>that you looked up. That's such a bunch of beloging.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just you tighten up. And so when you anticipate impact,

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<v Speaker 3>you're grabbing that handle tighter, you're getting ready to hit something. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>That shortens the muscle, pulls the club to the to

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<v Speaker 3>the center or top of the ball, and you roll

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<v Speaker 3>it on the ground. So when we're playing golf, and

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<v Speaker 3>as I teach all my students, I'm teaching you where

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<v Speaker 3>your body is a relationship with that golf ball on

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<v Speaker 3>the back swinging on the through swing, and that body

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<v Speaker 3>has to be on the ball on the coil, and

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<v Speaker 3>then the whole right side goes past the ball on

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<v Speaker 3>the through swing and the ball is in the way

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<v Speaker 3>of that action. If you focus on that back of

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<v Speaker 3>that ball or hit down on that ball, try to

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<v Speaker 3>keep your head down on that ball. You don't hit

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of shots behind the ball because when we start,

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<v Speaker 3>when we put that golf club behind the ball, if

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<v Speaker 3>we bring it right back that spot, we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>go divot ball, and we don't want to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>We want to go ball divt. So there has to

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<v Speaker 3>be a forward and is somewhere in that motion to

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<v Speaker 3>hit the ball first and then take the divot. That's

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<v Speaker 3>the through motion. So when for all of you out

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<v Speaker 3>there that hit the ball thin or hit behind it,

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<v Speaker 3>that's because you are behind it. You're not supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be behind it when you hit it. It's supposed to

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<v Speaker 3>be moving through it. You're supposed to be on the

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<v Speaker 3>left side. So don't buy into that crap here all

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<v Speaker 3>the time. Stay behind it, keep your head back behind it.

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<v Speaker 3>That's nuts. There's no sport that you do that you

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<v Speaker 3>hit a tennis ball, you move forward. You throw a punch,

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<v Speaker 3>you move forward. You throw a baseball, you move forward.

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<v Speaker 3>You got to move forward. You got to move through

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<v Speaker 3>it with a Now I'm not saying that your heads

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<v Speaker 3>go way forward, but that's not the golf sing. If

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<v Speaker 3>you rotate past that golf ball, that club has come

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<v Speaker 3>and last, and it's going to hit the ball with

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<v Speaker 3>all the force of your core. When you try to

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<v Speaker 3>stay behind the ball, all you're using assuming your arms

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<v Speaker 3>forward of your body, which is the worst thing you

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<v Speaker 3>can do if you're going to try to not only

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<v Speaker 3>hit it far, but hit it straight.

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<v Speaker 2>The golf swing is supposedly a circular like if you draw,

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<v Speaker 2>If you follow the club head around, it's a circle

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<v Speaker 2>correct around your body.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a rotational it's a rotational move. That's the only

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<v Speaker 3>way that our body moves. When you walk, you rotates,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's a rotation live in. Rotation doesn't mean straight

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<v Speaker 3>to stay in front of you relative to where the

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<v Speaker 3>of the It'll be inside the ball line. Is it

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<v Speaker 3>must be. You can't take the club back on the

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<v Speaker 3>I hear that all the time. Oh yeah, you kept

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<v Speaker 3>can't do that. The club the toll has to be

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<v Speaker 3>turning because you're turning. Okay, you got to trap that

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<v Speaker 3>than what's going to happen just out of the construction

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<v Speaker 3>You know. The path of the swing is from square,

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<v Speaker 3>It goes inside, back to square, back to inside. So

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<v Speaker 3>that's the shape of the golf swing, and that's that's

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<v Speaker 3>what your body is doing. It's like a hub and

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<v Speaker 3>rotating relative to what your body's doing. That's why good

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<v Speaker 3>players connect the arms of the body, and the arms

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<v Speaker 3>move where the body takes them. They're not trying to

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<v Speaker 3>because it's then it becomes disconnected to the body and

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<v Speaker 3>then they've got to re rout the arms back to

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<v Speaker 3>where the elbow hits that inside of the hip area

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<v Speaker 3>to hit the golf ball. Oh well, that can do

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<v Speaker 3>that on a consistent basis. Am I making you crazy? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely?

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<v Speaker 3>Am I making you crazy? Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely. There's so much going on right now in

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<v Speaker 3>If I if you were in front of me and

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<v Speaker 3>I set you up and you had some idea of

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<v Speaker 3>the golf thing you've been playing a while, Okay, but

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<v Speaker 3>you know I slice everything, all right, okay everything or whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>I show you that when your arms go three of

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<v Speaker 3>the body on the downs and the club is either

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<v Speaker 3>going to roll over or you're going to hang on

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<v Speaker 3>to it and it's going to stay open. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>why you can get up and hook one ball and

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<v Speaker 3>then you guard the next one and.

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<v Speaker 2>You pull it. Yeah. So when when you're when you're

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<v Speaker 2>addressing the ball, and you're you're setting up with the

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<v Speaker 2>ball with the club face. You're look, you're staring at

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<v Speaker 2>the ball. Your club face is sitting just behind it

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<v Speaker 2>when you're coming So, but when you come through on

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<v Speaker 2>your swing, that is not the base of your swing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the base of it would be in front of

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<v Speaker 2>the ball, right, the bottom part of yours, the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>part of the swing would be. You know, when you're

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<v Speaker 2>falling through, because you want to hit the ball and

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<v Speaker 2>then hit the ground. Do you want to make the

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<v Speaker 2>divot after you hit the ball.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, Well, it's that turning through impact that brings the

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<v Speaker 3>club so that the ball is being struck on the

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<v Speaker 3>down swing, so it hits the ball, hits the turf

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<v Speaker 3>when you're in the proper position, just prior to impact. Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>the club is coming down, it strikes the ball, and

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<v Speaker 3>it takes a little bit of divot when you get

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<v Speaker 3>behind the ball, when you have too much weight on

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<v Speaker 3>the right side. It is trying to hit the golf ball.

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<v Speaker 3>You're going to come down in behind the ball. You're

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<v Speaker 3>going to bring the club kinda where you have it

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<v Speaker 3>to start with, so you're going to go div it ball.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's how most people hit it. They take real

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<v Speaker 3>deep dits, and even when they hit a good shot,

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<v Speaker 3>they still hit them a little flabby because they're in

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<v Speaker 3>the wrong position. They're behind the golf ball. If you

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<v Speaker 3>look at a picture at impact of a good player,

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<v Speaker 3>you'll see that his chest area is not in the

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<v Speaker 3>same position he was at a dress. Like some people

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<v Speaker 3>try to say, get back to the dress. His left

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<v Speaker 3>side is open, it's turned to open, okay, and the

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<v Speaker 3>right side is now driving past the golf ball. If

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<v Speaker 3>you look at it you want to see a great swing,

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<v Speaker 3>Look at anakis or instant. That girl had more birdies

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<v Speaker 3>of two and three inches because she hit is so

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<v Speaker 3>dead at the hole because she was turning towards the

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<v Speaker 3>target and that arms were being pulled, so she was

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<v Speaker 3>trapping that club dead square. So she unwolmed properly. The

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<v Speaker 3>ball went right where she unwelmed to. And that's what

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<v Speaker 3>we're looking for to learn to hit the ball without

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of side spin. Now, when I want to

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<v Speaker 3>cut it or draw it, I do it by memory.

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<v Speaker 3>I just set up to the ball and feel like

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to do it. But there is a process

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<v Speaker 3>of doing it that I practiced for a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>hours as a young man, but I primarily hit the

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<v Speaker 3>ball with very little movement on it, especially with my irons.

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<v Speaker 3>Because of this action, I could remain in the past.

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<v Speaker 3>To hit it near the pin, I had to aim

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<v Speaker 3>at a club or two to the right of the

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<v Speaker 3>of the green and draw it in. I don't do

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<v Speaker 3>that anymore. I can. I can got pin hunting because

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<v Speaker 3>of this action. I know. I'm not gonna put very

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<v Speaker 3>much side spin on the ball. Side's beIN comes from

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<v Speaker 3>the club face closing and opening and impact. That's all

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<v Speaker 3>it is. I mean, it's not a big secret. So

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<v Speaker 3>when you swing a free arm swing, that club is

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<v Speaker 3>going to roll. I mean, anybody that's listening to me,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I'll just take a golf club out and

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<v Speaker 3>swing it with your arms a little bit away from you,

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<v Speaker 3>and you see that the weight of the club will

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<v Speaker 3>turn the club over, and it's going to turn it

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<v Speaker 3>over generally before you hit the golf ball. And then

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<v Speaker 3>the next time, because you're scared of death that's gonna happen,

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<v Speaker 3>you're gonna hang on to it tight, so you're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>hold the blade open. So neither one of them are

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<v Speaker 3>any good. You can't come off. So you've got to

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<v Speaker 3>have a golf swing that if it's it's tight as

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<v Speaker 3>heck and you got trouble right and trouble left, that

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<v Speaker 3>you can get up there and free swinging and know

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<v Speaker 3>absolutely no that you're not going to touch either bad area,

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<v Speaker 3>that you're going to carve it into the into the

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<v Speaker 3>free into the fairway one way or another. You're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>power slice it or a soft draw, but you're gonna

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<v Speaker 3>put it in the fairway. And I can still do that.

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<v Speaker 3>I just can't, you know, I just can't hit it

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<v Speaker 3>far enough to really really compete. If they put me

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<v Speaker 3>up on that Ladies teas or or old iyed teas,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll play with anybody.

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<v Speaker 2>You just told me in the last episode that you're

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<v Speaker 2>hitting the ball to sixty five on your drives.

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<v Speaker 3>What do you mean, Yeah, that's short compared to what

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<v Speaker 3>people hit it now.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I'm well, yeah, yeah, if you're playing.

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<v Speaker 3>With l they played blue cheese, I play white cheese,

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<v Speaker 3>and so I'm I'm at least a little bit up

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<v Speaker 3>with them, or sometimes it will past them with the drive.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, when I created the Mixed Team Championship that

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<v Speaker 3>was on television for what sixty years. What we did

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<v Speaker 3>is we we figured out what women would need. Professional

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<v Speaker 3>women would need to compete against men. They need seventy

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<v Speaker 3>five yards because they not only needed distance on the drive,

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<v Speaker 3>but they needed on the second shot so that they

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<v Speaker 3>could hit into a par four a drive in seven

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<v Speaker 3>or eight iron, because most men are hitting those kind

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<v Speaker 3>of clubs. Prior to that, Prior to that, the gals

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<v Speaker 3>were playing the club. The course is so long that

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<v Speaker 3>no one was reaching par fives and two, and they

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<v Speaker 3>were hitting long irons into par fours. And when we

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<v Speaker 3>came up with this concept, this is many many years ago,

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<v Speaker 3>that tournament kind of changed the way the girls perceived

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<v Speaker 3>the golf course should be because a hard liner said, no, no,

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<v Speaker 3>you're making it too easy. And I said, look, men

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<v Speaker 3>are shooting nineteen or twenty hunder par every tournament the

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<v Speaker 3>winners are, and you're shooting six and seven. The perception

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<v Speaker 3>then from the general public is, well, you're not playing

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<v Speaker 3>as good because you're shooting higher scores, but you're playing

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<v Speaker 3>a lot tougher golf course. You know, they were set

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<v Speaker 3>up like it was like setting up a men's golf

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<v Speaker 3>course of seventy eight hundred yards that's the kind of

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<v Speaker 3>golf the women playing it for a long time, and

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<v Speaker 3>we changed that. But we found that the average guy

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<v Speaker 3>off that pops the ball out there, they need about

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<v Speaker 3>seventy five yards and then then they can compete. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>that's the same by going up. You know when I

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<v Speaker 3>go up on a tee, you know, I go up

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<v Speaker 3>about thirty yards. Well that makes it that that has

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<v Speaker 3>thirty yards of my t shirt. Now I'm in the

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<v Speaker 3>game now. So in the history, we don't play. We

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<v Speaker 3>don't play championship teas. You play to have a.

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<v Speaker 2>Good time, right, you play the white teas, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>like so proud, Yeah, I'm proud to play up.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I love it. If some sometimes I play

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<v Speaker 3>with clients, they say, well, look we're going to play

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<v Speaker 3>the senior teas. I love it, can't can't wait. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't have any ego about that. Good for you,

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<v Speaker 3>because I know what my limitations are. But if you

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<v Speaker 3>put me one hundred and fifty yards from the green

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<v Speaker 3>every very hole, I'm going to make a lot of birdies.

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<v Speaker 2>M In the history of golf, are are different sets

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<v Speaker 2>of tea is a relatively new thing.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, They're always most golf courses have ladies.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the men's ties, but most golf course now they're

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<v Speaker 3>in a lot. I've been on a lot of golf

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<v Speaker 3>courses where the ladies seas were twenty yards further than

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<v Speaker 3>the men's that's just that's a joke, to be honest

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<v Speaker 3>with you. They should be pretty close to one hundred

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<v Speaker 3>yards on every single hole for the ladies to enjoy

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<v Speaker 3>the game like men. Do you see gals out there

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<v Speaker 3>with a driver on a par three? Well, you you

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<v Speaker 3>put guys, you make the par three long enough before

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<v Speaker 3>they have to get drivers. You wouldn't see very many pars, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>even at the big boys. So so, I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 3>just that it becomes an oversight when people design golf courses.

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<v Speaker 3>They design them for the men, and they don't consider

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<v Speaker 3>the cows. They put okay, put the red teas here,

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<v Speaker 3>but they don't do it. They don't do it mathematically

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<v Speaker 3>based on how far the most of the gals hit it.

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<v Speaker 3>So you know, when the gals shoot break one hundred,

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<v Speaker 3>they go crazy, they pop the champagne and give everybody

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<v Speaker 3>a pin. That's a joke. If you put them in

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<v Speaker 3>the right place, they're going to be shooting in the

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<v Speaker 3>eighties and the good ones will get in the seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, when you say that the courses are being when

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<v Speaker 2>you say the courses are being designed for man, I

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<v Speaker 2>think that the courses is being designed for PGA Tour

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<v Speaker 2>events because they're just making their courses longer and longer

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<v Speaker 2>and longer, which is playing into their hands of these

419
00:20:11.119 --> 00:20:13.200
<v Speaker 2>guys who have who can hit the ball in mine

420
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<v Speaker 2>own half and they don't.

421
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<v Speaker 3>Have the there's a perception, and it happens at our

422
00:20:18.440 --> 00:20:21.559
<v Speaker 3>own valley where they'll they'll build what they call the

423
00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:23.759
<v Speaker 3>championship feet and they'll put them back in the corner

424
00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:26.720
<v Speaker 3>where they you know, the desire didn't even want them

425
00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:29.400
<v Speaker 3>to be okay, because they think that by doing that

426
00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:33.160
<v Speaker 3>they're going to bring more members in. But typically these clubs,

427
00:20:33.920 --> 00:20:36.319
<v Speaker 3>the membership is three hundred thousand. Well, how many young

428
00:20:36.319 --> 00:20:38.559
<v Speaker 3>people do you know that will plunk down three hundred

429
00:20:38.599 --> 00:20:42.440
<v Speaker 3>thousand dollars to join a club. So it's usually older,

430
00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:46.079
<v Speaker 3>successful people that don't hit it very far. So they

431
00:20:46.160 --> 00:20:49.519
<v Speaker 3>make these teas so that they can so that they

432
00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:52.640
<v Speaker 3>can say, well, ours is a seventy three hundred or

433
00:20:52.640 --> 00:20:55.880
<v Speaker 3>seventy four hundred rated course. Blah blah blah. Meaningless doesn't

434
00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:58.880
<v Speaker 3>mean a thing because nobody plays them right, you know,

435
00:20:59.079 --> 00:21:01.039
<v Speaker 3>and it makes the game slow. And you get these

436
00:21:01.319 --> 00:21:04.119
<v Speaker 3>you get these guys that are eighteen handicaps going back

437
00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:07.039
<v Speaker 3>there and they and they ruin the game for the

438
00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:10.559
<v Speaker 3>people behind them. I don't I'm not advocating that we

439
00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:12.480
<v Speaker 3>put the teas up where you're on the fringe of

440
00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:16.240
<v Speaker 3>the green team off, but you've got to you've got

441
00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:19.240
<v Speaker 3>to put you know, we know there's a mean average

442
00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:21.799
<v Speaker 3>of what your membership hits the ball. We know what

443
00:21:21.839 --> 00:21:23.759
<v Speaker 3>they hit it, and that's whe the golf course should

444
00:21:23.759 --> 00:21:26.920
<v Speaker 3>be played from and for ladies, you know, come on,

445
00:21:27.000 --> 00:21:29.079
<v Speaker 3>how many gals hit it on? How many gals hit

446
00:21:29.119 --> 00:21:32.640
<v Speaker 3>it one hundred and seventy five yards? Okay, so you

447
00:21:32.680 --> 00:21:35.079
<v Speaker 3>can't put them on a three hundred and seventy yard

448
00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:38.519
<v Speaker 3>hole or a four hundred yard hole. That's crazy. I mean,

449
00:21:38.640 --> 00:21:40.599
<v Speaker 3>they're they're beating a three wood on a third shot.

450
00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:43.079
<v Speaker 3>You know what kind of fun is that. That's why

451
00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:46.359
<v Speaker 3>I say I'm I'm very sensitive to dec issue because

452
00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:49.400
<v Speaker 3>I've worked with a lot of lady professionals in my

453
00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:55.799
<v Speaker 3>life and I've given them zillion lessons to gals and

454
00:21:55.880 --> 00:22:00.920
<v Speaker 3>the big majority. I mean that you know, eighty percent,

455
00:22:02.000 --> 00:22:05.880
<v Speaker 3>you know, can't hit it two hundred yards can't. Okay,

456
00:22:05.880 --> 00:22:08.519
<v Speaker 3>So now they get on a golf poole that's three ninety,

457
00:22:09.240 --> 00:22:11.480
<v Speaker 3>you know, I mean if they get on in two

458
00:22:12.640 --> 00:22:15.480
<v Speaker 3>it's you know, they might have a heart attack. They

459
00:22:15.480 --> 00:22:17.519
<v Speaker 3>shouldn't be that way. They should be if they hit

460
00:22:17.559 --> 00:22:19.279
<v Speaker 3>their good drive, they should have some kind of an

461
00:22:19.319 --> 00:22:22.079
<v Speaker 3>iron or a rescue club to hit, but some kind

462
00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:26.480
<v Speaker 3>of an iron. It's just it's it's unfairly set up.

463
00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:29.799
<v Speaker 3>And again, I think it's the responsibility of a golf

464
00:22:29.799 --> 00:22:34.319
<v Speaker 3>course and the management to understand these things and then

465
00:22:34.759 --> 00:22:38.039
<v Speaker 3>sit down and come up with an idea. Okay, what

466
00:22:38.119 --> 00:22:40.079
<v Speaker 3>do we think our gals hit the ball? And then

467
00:22:40.240 --> 00:22:42.599
<v Speaker 3>plot out a hole so that they can hit some

468
00:22:42.799 --> 00:22:46.440
<v Speaker 3>kind of a mid iron into that green, and that's

469
00:22:46.440 --> 00:22:49.799
<v Speaker 3>what the t should be, okay, And then you'd see

470
00:22:49.839 --> 00:22:52.119
<v Speaker 3>that the galls have a lot more fun and the

471
00:22:53.319 --> 00:22:56.680
<v Speaker 3>game is more playable for them if you look at

472
00:22:56.720 --> 00:22:58.920
<v Speaker 3>the scores. I mean, you know, I give lessons and a

473
00:22:58.960 --> 00:23:01.240
<v Speaker 3>lot of clubs. They invite me to teach, and I

474
00:23:01.400 --> 00:23:03.400
<v Speaker 3>every now and then there's a tournament one hundred and

475
00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:05.640
<v Speaker 3>twenty one hundred and fifteen hundred and ten. Every now

476
00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:07.720
<v Speaker 3>and then you get somebody in the nineties, and that's

477
00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:09.759
<v Speaker 3>the that's the field. And these are girls have been

478
00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:13.240
<v Speaker 3>playing a long time, you know, because they're older. Yeah,

479
00:23:13.519 --> 00:23:15.440
<v Speaker 3>you get the you know, the young members twenty one

480
00:23:15.519 --> 00:23:17.960
<v Speaker 3>or twenty two or twenty three that married some guy. Well,

481
00:23:18.039 --> 00:23:19.720
<v Speaker 3>some of those guys can play, they're fresh out of

482
00:23:19.759 --> 00:23:21.599
<v Speaker 3>college and they can pop the ball. But most of

483
00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:23.279
<v Speaker 3>the girls are in the fifties and the sixties. Where

484
00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:24.920
<v Speaker 3>are they going to get the golf ball? You know?

485
00:23:25.039 --> 00:23:26.680
<v Speaker 3>And a lot of them, a lot of them were

486
00:23:26.680 --> 00:23:29.240
<v Speaker 3>taught at that age because their husband played golf and

487
00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:31.079
<v Speaker 3>they were, come on, you got to learn, we'll play

488
00:23:31.119 --> 00:23:32.759
<v Speaker 3>golf together, that kind of stuff.

489
00:23:38.920 --> 00:23:41.519
<v Speaker 2>Do you have the same frustrations that I have when

490
00:23:41.519 --> 00:23:43.559
<v Speaker 2>you go out and play with people, and they especially

491
00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:45.119
<v Speaker 2>and of course they've not played to go, well, what's

492
00:23:45.160 --> 00:23:47.960
<v Speaker 2>the distance let's play from this team got sixty nine?

493
00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:49.440
<v Speaker 2>They want into yards and they don't look at the

494
00:23:49.480 --> 00:23:50.240
<v Speaker 2>rating slope.

495
00:23:52.000 --> 00:23:56.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly, I know that a lot of courses, even

496
00:23:56.839 --> 00:24:00.799
<v Speaker 3>the men's let's just say the white cheese because they

497
00:24:00.839 --> 00:24:03.119
<v Speaker 3>have so many different colors now. But let's say the

498
00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:05.319
<v Speaker 3>back is the blue cheese, in the middle is the

499
00:24:05.319 --> 00:24:07.440
<v Speaker 3>white tees. A lot of times the white tees are

500
00:24:08.039 --> 00:24:10.599
<v Speaker 3>you know, ten yards ahead of the blue cheese, which

501
00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:14.720
<v Speaker 3>is crazy, it's ludicrous. But again there's no thinking done

502
00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:17.400
<v Speaker 3>at the start of every day when those tees are set.

503
00:24:17.839 --> 00:24:21.240
<v Speaker 3>Someone should be setting them based on what the club professional.

504
00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:24.640
<v Speaker 3>You know that he set that golf course up for

505
00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:27.200
<v Speaker 3>the superintendent. You can't expect the superintendent and in most

506
00:24:27.279 --> 00:24:30.200
<v Speaker 3>cases do not play the game. And the superintendent's not

507
00:24:30.279 --> 00:24:33.279
<v Speaker 3>setting the teases his workers who probably don't play the game.

508
00:24:33.519 --> 00:24:35.880
<v Speaker 3>So they just cut it down and put the team

509
00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:38.519
<v Speaker 3>markers there with no thought that somebody's got to play

510
00:24:38.519 --> 00:24:41.599
<v Speaker 3>from here. So the golf course, the golf course plays

511
00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:46.359
<v Speaker 3>way beyond the slope, rating the way harder right, right,

512
00:24:46.799 --> 00:24:49.559
<v Speaker 3>And that's that's you know, we talk about slow play.

513
00:24:49.599 --> 00:24:52.640
<v Speaker 3>That's one of the reasons we have slow play because

514
00:24:53.759 --> 00:24:56.279
<v Speaker 3>with the long iron on their third shot, right, it

515
00:24:56.279 --> 00:24:58.359
<v Speaker 3>has nothing to do with their ability. It has to

516
00:24:58.400 --> 00:24:59.759
<v Speaker 3>do that it's too long.

517
00:25:00.480 --> 00:25:03.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, people are playing from the wrong tees, their egos

518
00:25:03.440 --> 00:25:05.839
<v Speaker 2>getting the way, they slow down the pace of play.

519
00:25:05.720 --> 00:25:09.640
<v Speaker 2>They're scoring high numbers when they shouldn't be. It's just

520
00:25:10.039 --> 00:25:12.880
<v Speaker 2>it's just this endless cycle of garbage.

521
00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:15.039
<v Speaker 3>There, right, and it's rooting the game for a lot

522
00:25:15.079 --> 00:25:17.720
<v Speaker 3>of people, and it's costing. It's costing a lot of

523
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:19.519
<v Speaker 3>money because you know, if you have a lot of

524
00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:21.400
<v Speaker 3>slow play, you can't get players on the golf course.

525
00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:24.720
<v Speaker 3>But a lot of it goes back to management and

526
00:25:24.839 --> 00:25:28.599
<v Speaker 3>the planning of where those teas should be. There has

527
00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:31.680
<v Speaker 3>to be calculations made based on where you think the

528
00:25:31.759 --> 00:25:34.480
<v Speaker 3>majority of people hit the golf ball so that they

529
00:25:34.480 --> 00:25:37.640
<v Speaker 3>can enjoy this sport. You know, when you're a successful

530
00:25:37.640 --> 00:25:40.319
<v Speaker 3>man and you've worked all your life, you don't want

531
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:41.920
<v Speaker 3>to play golf. That's beating the heck out of you

532
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:44.000
<v Speaker 3>all the time, and you're never going to say this

533
00:25:44.039 --> 00:25:46.920
<v Speaker 3>is too hard for me. No one wants to do that,

534
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.839
<v Speaker 3>you know, no one wants to admit to that. So

535
00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:53.559
<v Speaker 3>what management has to has to do is put them

536
00:25:53.799 --> 00:25:56.880
<v Speaker 3>put that make that golf course not a sense of easy,

537
00:25:57.240 --> 00:26:01.039
<v Speaker 3>but fair, not fair. If you can't reach a part

538
00:26:01.079 --> 00:26:03.480
<v Speaker 3>four and two, if you can hit the ball, let's

539
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:06.319
<v Speaker 3>say two hundred and ten yards, you should be able

540
00:26:06.319 --> 00:26:08.000
<v Speaker 3>to You should be able to hit that green in

541
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:11.680
<v Speaker 3>two Okay, So you can't. You can't put a high

542
00:26:11.759 --> 00:26:14.759
<v Speaker 3>handicap around a four hundred and seventy yard hole or

543
00:26:14.759 --> 00:26:16.640
<v Speaker 3>four hundred and sixty year old. That's a part five

544
00:26:16.680 --> 00:26:20.279
<v Speaker 3>for them. And that's how. And that doesn't take away

545
00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:23.240
<v Speaker 3>from the golf course being a great course, because the

546
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:26.160
<v Speaker 3>greatness comes in the design. It doesn't come in the length.

547
00:26:26.839 --> 00:26:30.640
<v Speaker 2>Right right, because a short course, a short course can

548
00:26:30.680 --> 00:26:32.119
<v Speaker 2>be very punishing.

549
00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:35.759
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, you know, I've played course that were

550
00:26:35.799 --> 00:26:38.799
<v Speaker 3>sixty six hundred yards long. They'll give you a battle

551
00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:41.359
<v Speaker 3>every time you play it. But it's it's because you

552
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:43.000
<v Speaker 3>have to be accurate, you have to hit the left,

553
00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:44.920
<v Speaker 3>left the right, or right the left and those kinds

554
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:47.359
<v Speaker 3>of things. But it's not because you can't reach the green.

555
00:26:47.400 --> 00:26:49.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean, that's just stupid golf. To me. That's stupid golf.

556
00:26:49.720 --> 00:26:53.599
<v Speaker 3>It really is. And unfortunately, there's so much emphasis on

557
00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:57.880
<v Speaker 3>distance today in today's world that you know, I get

558
00:26:57.880 --> 00:27:00.319
<v Speaker 3>these kids at young ages and they're all they're all

559
00:27:00.319 --> 00:27:02.039
<v Speaker 3>swinging out of their shoes, and I say, what are

560
00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:04.119
<v Speaker 3>you going to do when you're playing a twenty yard fairway?

561
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:09.880
<v Speaker 3>I mean, you're done. So that's part and parcel of

562
00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:15.000
<v Speaker 3>the problem. We're exposed to everybody hits at three thirty three,

563
00:27:15.160 --> 00:27:18.559
<v Speaker 3>forty and some guy out there fifty years old, you know,

564
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:22.200
<v Speaker 3>you feel impotent, for God's sakes, But it's it's because

565
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:25.720
<v Speaker 3>we've been we've been sol a bill of goods. And

566
00:27:26.079 --> 00:27:28.680
<v Speaker 3>the game is never intended to be a driving contest,

567
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:31.640
<v Speaker 3>you know, it really wasn't. It's a game of strategy.

568
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:36.079
<v Speaker 3>It's a game of ball placement. And to me, I

569
00:27:36.160 --> 00:27:39.599
<v Speaker 3>think they're ruining the game by making the courses longer

570
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:44.240
<v Speaker 3>and longer and longer. For who, I mean for who?

571
00:27:43.680 --> 00:27:43.839
<v Speaker 1>Who?

572
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:47.279
<v Speaker 3>Who can seventy three one hundred yards is a long

573
00:27:47.319 --> 00:27:49.599
<v Speaker 3>golf course? Who plays it? Yeah? Maybe a kid that

574
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.000
<v Speaker 3>beats it out there, but the average guy, man, I mean,

575
00:27:53.079 --> 00:27:57.799
<v Speaker 3>you know you can't if you can't get home into

576
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:01.799
<v Speaker 3>what the heck? You know, time and time again, sometimes

577
00:28:01.839 --> 00:28:03.519
<v Speaker 3>you know there will be one of those holes out

578
00:28:03.519 --> 00:28:04.799
<v Speaker 3>there that you say, oh, well this one, I just

579
00:28:04.799 --> 00:28:07.400
<v Speaker 3>got to be hope, be happy with a bogie. But

580
00:28:07.519 --> 00:28:09.960
<v Speaker 3>you can't do that for eighteen holes. Right.

581
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:16.960
<v Speaker 2>A question about and now I know the obvious answer

582
00:28:17.000 --> 00:28:20.039
<v Speaker 2>as well, because the club is longer, but is do

583
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:24.400
<v Speaker 2>you should you have a different swing? And that's a

584
00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:28.519
<v Speaker 2>loaded question. With your driver versus your nine iron.

585
00:28:29.720 --> 00:28:31.839
<v Speaker 3>No, it's going to be it's gonna be flatter because

586
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:34.799
<v Speaker 3>the ball is farther away from you. But no, conceptually

587
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:40.599
<v Speaker 3>and feel wise, no. And the difficult part is tempo

588
00:28:41.119 --> 00:28:43.480
<v Speaker 3>because we want to swing the driver faster than we

589
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:45.160
<v Speaker 3>do a full swing, let's say with an eight iron,

590
00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:48.000
<v Speaker 3>and it shouldn't be it will the club will be

591
00:28:48.039 --> 00:28:50.920
<v Speaker 3>moving faster because the swing is wider, because the club

592
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.440
<v Speaker 3>is longer, and the distance is going to be derived

593
00:28:53.440 --> 00:28:56.920
<v Speaker 3>by that longer lever. But you don't try to swing harder.

594
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:58.720
<v Speaker 3>I mean, one of the great things I ever heard

595
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:01.440
<v Speaker 3>was Trevino was saying that, you know, he's the one

596
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:03.039
<v Speaker 3>I played with Nicholas. He was so long. I didn't

597
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:04.440
<v Speaker 3>watch him hit it. And he said, I used to

598
00:29:04.440 --> 00:29:06.519
<v Speaker 3>try to hit it two thirty eight, and I would

599
00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:08.680
<v Speaker 3>hit it two seventy, but when I tried to hit

600
00:29:08.680 --> 00:29:10.519
<v Speaker 3>it two seventy, I hit it two thirty eight, which

601
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:12.599
<v Speaker 3>I just thought, said, man, that that should be in

602
00:29:12.640 --> 00:29:14.440
<v Speaker 3>the Bible, for God's sakes. I mean, it was so

603
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:17.200
<v Speaker 3>absolutely correct, because when you attempt to try to hit

604
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:19.960
<v Speaker 3>the ball harder, your swing gets faster in the backswing,

605
00:29:20.319 --> 00:29:23.720
<v Speaker 3>shorter in the backswing and tighter at impact. That's why

606
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:25.279
<v Speaker 3>a lot of times, you know, we have a shot

607
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:27.680
<v Speaker 3>and we think, ah, that's a six arm, but I'm

608
00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:29.440
<v Speaker 3>going to hit an easy five iron, and we fly

609
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:31.960
<v Speaker 3>the green. We say, what the heck I hit that?

610
00:29:32.319 --> 00:29:35.079
<v Speaker 3>I've hit that fire iron way farther than because you

611
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:37.160
<v Speaker 3>relax and you let yourself get that club all the

612
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:39.279
<v Speaker 3>way back and all the way through because you weren't

613
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:41.680
<v Speaker 3>trying to hit it. You just want he swung the club.

614
00:29:42.279 --> 00:29:44.000
<v Speaker 3>You know. There's a lot to that, you know, And

615
00:29:44.480 --> 00:29:47.480
<v Speaker 3>and unfortunately we get that driver and I hand. All

616
00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:50.799
<v Speaker 3>of a sudden, you see their jaws tightening up. And

617
00:29:50.839 --> 00:29:53.880
<v Speaker 3>that's not it wasn't intended that. What I tell my boys,

618
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:57.200
<v Speaker 3>the driver is a placement club, not a distance club.

619
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:00.119
<v Speaker 3>It's a place. It's a club to place the ball

620
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:02.160
<v Speaker 3>on the fairway where you've got a good angle to

621
00:30:02.200 --> 00:30:05.279
<v Speaker 3>the green. That's all it is. Don't buy into you've

622
00:30:05.279 --> 00:30:07.680
<v Speaker 3>got to hit a three fifty or three forty or

623
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:10.799
<v Speaker 3>three thirty or any of those numbers. Let that happen. Fine.

624
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:12.599
<v Speaker 3>If you can do that, fine, but you don't try

625
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<v Speaker 3>to make it happen because you're just going to you're

626
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<v Speaker 3>gonna get handsy, you're gonna get your arms ahead of

627
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:19.359
<v Speaker 3>your body, and you're gonna hit it all over the place.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, without naming guys on tour, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>couple of guys that win a tournament. The next week,

630
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<v Speaker 3>you know they're at the very bottom because they're all

631
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<v Speaker 3>over the place. So when they're timing that big swing,

632
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<v Speaker 3>they're okay, but they can't do it every week. And

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<v Speaker 3>then you got the same guys in the middle of

634
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<v Speaker 3>the pack every single week, and then every now and

635
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<v Speaker 3>then then they break through. But when they don't win,

636
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<v Speaker 3>they don't drop to the very bottom. They're always up

637
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<v Speaker 3>in contention. And those are the guys that are in

638
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<v Speaker 3>control of that club hit. They're not out there trying

639
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<v Speaker 3>to hit it three fifty right now.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an excellent point. Pick a spot in the fairway

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<v Speaker 2>and get there. Don't and be fair to yourself, don't

642
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<v Speaker 2>try to crush it. Just try to get to your spot.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, just all you're trying to do is set the

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<v Speaker 3>whole up. That's what the driver does is sets the

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<v Speaker 3>whole off of the next shot. Put it a little

646
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<v Speaker 3>bit on the left center of the fairway, so you're

647
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<v Speaker 3>coming in at the right angle. You're not hitting over

648
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<v Speaker 3>a bunk or whatever. I mean. Hogan looked at the

649
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<v Speaker 3>faraway and quadrants, and he picked out a quadrant and

650
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<v Speaker 3>put it there. Now, you know, he was pretty special

651
00:31:12.599 --> 00:31:15.319
<v Speaker 3>about hitting the golf ball. But if you're if you've

652
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<v Speaker 3>cut everything, then get over to the far right of

653
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<v Speaker 3>the tee and aim it to the far left of

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<v Speaker 3>the fairway and let it cut back into the fairway.

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<v Speaker 3>That's why you're using the whole ferway. Aim it to

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<v Speaker 3>the right edge of the fairway and let your draw

657
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<v Speaker 3>work in the into the fairway. Now you're using the

658
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<v Speaker 3>whole fairway. What a lot of people do. They stand

659
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<v Speaker 3>in the middle of the tee and they hit it.

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<v Speaker 3>They're trying to hit it right straight down the middle.

661
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<v Speaker 3>So if they push it, it's going off the ferry.

662
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<v Speaker 3>If they pull it, it's going off the ferry because

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<v Speaker 3>they're only using half of the fairway. You understand what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean by that, Yeah, and so we In most cases,

665
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<v Speaker 3>you don't stand in the middle of the tee. You

666
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<v Speaker 3>either stand on the left side or the right side,

667
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<v Speaker 3>based on the shape, on the shape of your of

668
00:31:52.119 --> 00:31:54.640
<v Speaker 3>your drive. You know, I hit a little cut. Some

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<v Speaker 3>people hit a little draw uh or if my typical

670
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<v Speaker 3>shot cut or my typical shot draws, and then I'll

671
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<v Speaker 3>play that with the driver. I'm I'm I'm gonna position

672
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<v Speaker 3>myself on the tee to take advantage of the whole

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<v Speaker 3>pharaweh instead of half of it. So early on.

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<v Speaker 2>In the last episode when we were talking about you

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<v Speaker 2>know that everybody's swing is unique and it's you know,

676
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<v Speaker 2>it's really all about being square at contact. Correct, that's correct, okay,

677
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<v Speaker 2>And so there is no perfect swing, is this what

678
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<v Speaker 2>we're saying?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely, that's not possible. That's why the fairways are forty

680
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<v Speaker 3>to fifty yards wide and so forth, because there always

681
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<v Speaker 3>is going to be a little variancid impact, a little open,

682
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<v Speaker 3>a little closed. The more connected and the more rotational

683
00:32:46.279 --> 00:32:48.039
<v Speaker 3>you are in your golf swing, the more that you're

684
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<v Speaker 3>going to bring the club fairly consistently to the ball,

685
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<v Speaker 3>and you're going to you'll know where the club head is.

686
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<v Speaker 3>That's a big key is knowing where the club hit is.

687
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<v Speaker 3>So if you're rolling your forearms over trying to hit

688
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:01.599
<v Speaker 3>a golf ball, there's no way to know to feel

689
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<v Speaker 3>where it is, you know, But when you're when you're

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<v Speaker 3>rotating your body and that's pulling the arms, and the

691
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<v Speaker 3>arms are connected to the body. Then the arms feel

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<v Speaker 3>like a lever connected to a gear, and as you

693
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<v Speaker 3>turn the lever, the lever moves moves forward, so you're

694
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<v Speaker 3>never swinging your arms freely. All this stuff about a

695
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<v Speaker 3>free arm swing, it should be in the comic books

696
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<v Speaker 3>because it isn't reality. The freer you armed swing, the

697
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<v Speaker 3>more the club has a chance to be open or closed.

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<v Speaker 3>We don't want that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Tony, once again, you've been a wealth of information.

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<v Speaker 2>I so enjoy speaking with you. Thank you so much

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<v Speaker 2>for your time to these last two episodes. And again, people,

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<v Speaker 2>if Tony intrigues you at all, there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>calls to action that we've gone through. One is make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that you check out the video, the Golf Smarter TV,

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<v Speaker 2>the video that we did together, because it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>teach you a lot in a short amount of time.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, Fred, I'd like to just close with one thing. Please,

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<v Speaker 3>for the people out there that have listened to this.

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<v Speaker 3>You know there's a lot of pontificating going on, but

710
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<v Speaker 3>if you really want to get into this game, find

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<v Speaker 3>someone that really understands rotation and connection. If they're not

712
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<v Speaker 3>using those words to you and trying to get you

713
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<v Speaker 3>to hoist the club up the air and then bring

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<v Speaker 3>it down. You know, just run. Find somebody, just like

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<v Speaker 3>going to a doctor. Find somebody that understands the simplicity

716
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<v Speaker 3>of the golf swing. It isn't rocket science. It's really

717
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<v Speaker 3>kind of simplistic once you connect all the parts and

718
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<v Speaker 3>then just move them in a rotational move. If you

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<v Speaker 3>find someone like that and that's patient, you're going to

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<v Speaker 3>grow in the game and you're going to start enjoying

721
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<v Speaker 3>the game. And then go to your golf pro if

722
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<v Speaker 3>you belong to a club, and tell them a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit about why don't we set this golf course up

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<v Speaker 3>based on what the average guy hits it off the

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<v Speaker 3>tee and I think your membership will be very happy.

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<v Speaker 3>And you don't have to say we're moving it up.

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<v Speaker 3>Just put the tea in a place where you were

728
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<v Speaker 3>common said warrants it, and boy, I'll tell you what,

729
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<v Speaker 3>the game will be enjoyable for everybody at that club.

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<v Speaker 3>And you can make the golf course hard. You can

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<v Speaker 3>narrow the fairways with roughs, you can put the pin

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<v Speaker 3>in the funny positions so you don't have to worry

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<v Speaker 3>about the being tough enough
