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Speaker 1: Tony Manzoni. This episode was part two of our conversation
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Speaker 2: For members only. Golf Smarter number four hundred and nine,
Speaker 2: published on November five, twenty thirteen. A good Golfer's Arms
Speaker 2: never passed the Body with Tony Manzoni. This is golf Smarter.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to golf Smarter for members only.
Speaker 1: Tony.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Fred, Thank you again for sticking around and
Speaker 2: recording forget the recording, for sticking around and answering more
Speaker 2: of my questions.
Speaker 3: I just love it. Fred.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's very kind of you. There's many things that
Speaker 2: you said in our last conversation that I want to
Speaker 2: bring back and get more detail from you out of that.
Speaker 2: Like when you talked about being under pressure and hooking
Speaker 2: the ball. You said, when you were playing competitively when
Speaker 2: you were young, whenever you were under pressure, you would
Speaker 2: hook the ball. Now forty to fifty years later and
Speaker 2: you look back on that, do you know what that was?
Speaker 3: Sure? I know what it was. As I got into
Speaker 3: learning to be more of a connected rotating or having
Speaker 3: a connected rotating swing, I realized that the moving of
Speaker 3: the of the left arm the right arm for that matter,
Speaker 3: but to the left round when you go back in
Speaker 3: the back swing, no matter how you take it back
Speaker 3: to your left round goes somewhat across your chest, okay, and
Speaker 3: it connects somewhere near the left arm pit and the
Speaker 3: right arm pit. So that's why you see a lot
Speaker 3: of tour players will put a towel across their chest
Speaker 3: and then put their arms on the top of the
Speaker 3: toe and hit shots that way. What they're doing, you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's restrictive in a way, but they're teaching themselves
Speaker 3: that the body moves the arms, the arms will move
Speaker 3: off the body and then back on the body. It's
Speaker 3: not to say that you can't do that, and there
Speaker 3: have been some good players that did that, but I
Speaker 3: don't think they had very long careers. Without naming a
Speaker 3: lot of guys, there's a lot of guys on the
Speaker 3: senior tour now that can't play a lit that were
Speaker 3: champions on the regular tour, and it's because their game
Speaker 3: was based on disconnecting and connecting, swaying to the right
Speaker 3: and swaying to the left and so forth. But in
Speaker 3: my swing, what I realize is that when my arms
Speaker 3: get to impact before my left side is clear, then
Speaker 3: my because the head is hairier than the handle. If
Speaker 3: you swing the arms away from the body and just
Speaker 3: swing a golf club, you'll see that the club head
Speaker 3: turns over prior to impact because because of the weight,
Speaker 3: the weight of the handle way to the head. The
Speaker 3: head weight will roll the clubhead. So these people that
Speaker 3: try to teach people to roll the clubhead, if you
Speaker 3: just swing your arms ahead of your body, it's gonna roll.
Speaker 3: If I want to hook a ball around a corner,
Speaker 3: I just keep my back of the target and throw
Speaker 3: my arm forward and that clubcase is closed. A foot
Speaker 3: from the ball, so I'm gonna I'm gonna snipe of it. Okay,
Speaker 3: well that's what I did under pressure, because under pressure
Speaker 3: we all get a little fast on the down. Can't
Speaker 3: help it. And I didn't realize that the faster my
Speaker 3: arms went, the slower my body went. So they didn't
Speaker 3: correspond and they won't. You throw your arms ahead of
Speaker 3: your body, and there's a saying the good golfer's arms
Speaker 3: never passed the body, never passed the body. And you say,
Speaker 3: wait a minute, I see the club, but it's not
Speaker 3: because if you follow the turning of the bottom, the
Speaker 3: club is standing in front of the body, but it's
Speaker 3: not going past it. So this is how it works,
Speaker 3: real simple. You stand up to the ball. I like
Speaker 3: you to set up sixty forty. You take the club back.
Speaker 3: It goes across your chest and it connects somewhere high
Speaker 3: on the left tectoral muscle. Okay, when you get to
Speaker 3: the top, instead of letting the arms come free of
Speaker 3: the body and pulling the arms down, keep the position
Speaker 3: that you have at the top and rotate your chest area.
Speaker 3: And now I'm not gonna say hips, because if you're
Speaker 3: on that left side, you don't have to throw your
Speaker 3: legs first or any of that craziness. Unwind which wound up.
Speaker 3: Unwind your chest and shoulders around your pivot leg, pulling
Speaker 3: your arm through, and if you'll unwind properly, you'll be
Speaker 3: unwinding to the left, just like on the backswing you
Speaker 3: had to unwind to the right. So when you unwind,
Speaker 3: your body's going to turn to the left. So when
Speaker 3: you finish your golf swing, your right shoulder should pointing
Speaker 3: at the target. The center of your chest should be
Speaker 3: pointing quite a bit left of the target. And if
Speaker 3: you watch the tour ladies or men's you'll see that
Speaker 3: that's how most of the players are finishing. No one's
Speaker 3: jilted back with high hands. Everything is around because players
Speaker 3: are finding that's a more effective way to play. So
Speaker 3: when we're connected, and and I mentioned that at the
Speaker 3: right arm, sure, because the right arm can't come loose
Speaker 3: and go out away from the body on the downswing
Speaker 3: because the elbow will be out of position. So that
Speaker 3: closed armpit of the right side is just as important
Speaker 3: as a closed armpit on the left side. So with
Speaker 3: both of them closed, the right with the right arm
Speaker 3: does in the backswing is you turn the right arm
Speaker 3: folds to a position and that's and that's your position.
Speaker 3: But that's how you get the club back. You don't
Speaker 3: do it with your wrist cock. You do the arm fold, okay,
Speaker 3: and it sets the wrist so that the club head
Speaker 3: or the chef, the shaft in your left arm four
Speaker 3: form kind of an l position. Okay, we want to
Speaker 3: be position. That's too much risk. We want this elow
Speaker 3: position the club. Your back is to the target. The
Speaker 3: club looks three quarters and if you look at the
Speaker 3: tour today, you'll see most everybody like that. You don't
Speaker 3: see that past parallel look except for a few out there.
Speaker 3: And they have one commonality. They get wild with the driver.
Speaker 3: They don't know if it's going right or left under pressure. Okay,
Speaker 3: the ones that are compact, they're popping it in the
Speaker 3: center all the time. Louis lusehavn just a bunch of
Speaker 3: them that are rotators. But anyway, so we're at the
Speaker 3: top of the swing. The left arm is connected high
Speaker 3: in the pectoral the right arm you can be holding
Speaker 3: a handkerchief under the armpit. The elbow is not touching
Speaker 3: the bout it just the armpit is closed. You just
Speaker 3: take that and you rotate to the left around the
Speaker 3: pivot leg, which is your left leg if you're right handed,
Speaker 3: and you just keep rotating and the club comes last.
Speaker 3: And it's kind of like a hockey player. That the
Speaker 3: action of a hockey player with a stick to a puck.
Speaker 3: It's a one piece action. It's not a throw of
Speaker 3: the arms, is a rotation of the body. On my video,
Speaker 3: you can see that little exercise I do that makes
Speaker 3: you instantly feel this. And if there's any one thing
Speaker 3: that you must do, it's fats. And you know, Ben
Speaker 3: Hogan said, you take all your natural instincts and do
Speaker 3: the opposite, you'll have a pretty good golf swing. And
Speaker 3: he's absolutely right, because when the ball is down on
Speaker 3: the ground and we've got the club in our hands,
Speaker 3: the tendency for us is to hit down on that
Speaker 3: golf ball to throw those arms. And we've been told
Speaker 3: hit down on the ball. If you have the club,
Speaker 3: let's say a shoal or heighth, and you swing it
Speaker 3: to the other side, the club has to come down
Speaker 3: to go up, so there's no need to try to
Speaker 3: hit down because all you're going to do is you're
Speaker 3: going to great tension, and you're going and you're going
Speaker 3: to get steeper than you should. The swing has a
Speaker 3: shape to it. It's it's kind of a U shape,
Speaker 3: so there is a bottom to it, but you don't
Speaker 3: need to do anything to get there. It has to
Speaker 3: get there for it to go back up on the
Speaker 3: other side. So I never advocate hitting down on a
Speaker 3: golf ball because then you're thinking about impact too much.
Speaker 3: And then what we get into anticipating impact, which causes
Speaker 3: a tension. And that's why all the beginners. You see
Speaker 3: beginners top the ball and the guy says, you looked up, okay,
Speaker 3: And then you got their faces glued to the ground
Speaker 3: and glued to the ball, and they still top it
Speaker 3: that you looked up. That's such a bunch of beloging.
Speaker 3: It's just you tighten up. And so when you anticipate impact,
Speaker 3: you're grabbing that handle tighter, you're getting ready to hit something. Okay.
Speaker 3: That shortens the muscle, pulls the club to the to
Speaker 3: the center or top of the ball, and you roll
Speaker 3: it on the ground. So when we're playing golf, and
Speaker 3: as I teach all my students, I'm teaching you where
Speaker 3: your body is a relationship with that golf ball on
Speaker 3: the back swinging on the through swing, and that body
Speaker 3: has to be on the ball on the coil, and
Speaker 3: then the whole right side goes past the ball on
Speaker 3: the through swing and the ball is in the way
Speaker 3: of that action. If you focus on that back of
Speaker 3: that ball or hit down on that ball, try to
Speaker 3: keep your head down on that ball. You don't hit
Speaker 3: a lot of shots behind the ball because when we start,
Speaker 3: when we put that golf club behind the ball, if
Speaker 3: we bring it right back that spot, we're going to
Speaker 3: go divot ball, and we don't want to do that.
Speaker 3: We want to go ball divt. So there has to
Speaker 3: be a forward and is somewhere in that motion to
Speaker 3: hit the ball first and then take the divot. That's
Speaker 3: the through motion. So when for all of you out
Speaker 3: there that hit the ball thin or hit behind it,
Speaker 3: that's because you are behind it. You're not supposed to
Speaker 3: be behind it when you hit it. It's supposed to
Speaker 3: be moving through it. You're supposed to be on the
Speaker 3: left side. So don't buy into that crap here all
Speaker 3: the time. Stay behind it, keep your head back behind it.
Speaker 3: That's nuts. There's no sport that you do that you
Speaker 3: hit a tennis ball, you move forward. You throw a punch,
Speaker 3: you move forward. You throw a baseball, you move forward.
Speaker 3: You got to move forward. You got to move through
Speaker 3: it with a Now I'm not saying that your heads
Speaker 3: go way forward, but that's not the golf sing. If
Speaker 3: you rotate past that golf ball, that club has come
Speaker 3: and last, and it's going to hit the ball with
Speaker 3: all the force of your core. When you try to
Speaker 3: stay behind the ball, all you're using assuming your arms
Speaker 3: forward of your body, which is the worst thing you
Speaker 3: can do if you're going to try to not only
Speaker 3: hit it far, but hit it straight.
Speaker 2: The golf swing is supposedly a circular like if you draw,
Speaker 2: If you follow the club head around, it's a circle
Speaker 2: correct around your body.
Speaker 3: It's a rotational it's a rotational move. That's the only
Speaker 3: way that our body moves. When you walk, you rotates,
Speaker 3: so it's a rotation live in. Rotation doesn't mean straight
Speaker 3: back and straight through. That's why when people say take
Speaker 3: the club straight back, you know that's really not that's
Speaker 3: really not correct. Because the body's turning, the club has
Speaker 3: to stay in front of you relative to where the
Speaker 3: body is, So when the body's turning if the club's
Speaker 3: in front of you, but it'll be inside the line
Speaker 3: of the It'll be inside the ball line. Is it
Speaker 3: must be. You can't take the club back on the
Speaker 3: ball line and swing it down the ball line. And
Speaker 3: I hear that all the time. Oh yeah, you kept
Speaker 3: that club going right down the ball, lie Boloni. You
Speaker 3: can't do that. The club the toll has to be
Speaker 3: turning because you're turning. Okay, you got to trap that
Speaker 3: golf ball. The more you push that club down the line,
Speaker 3: than what's going to happen just out of the construction
Speaker 3: of the club the neck, because that's where the shaft is.
Speaker 3: The neck is going to lead that club and the
Speaker 3: toad is going to be back and you're going to
Speaker 3: hit everything right, you know, or slice the ball, and
Speaker 3: the blade's going to open up. The more you push
Speaker 3: it straight back at the target, the more the blade
Speaker 3: is can open up. That club has to come back.
Speaker 3: You know. The path of the swing is from square,
Speaker 3: It goes inside, back to square, back to inside. So
Speaker 3: that's the shape of the golf swing, and that's that's
Speaker 3: what your body is doing. It's like a hub and
Speaker 3: a spoke. Your body is rotating and the club is
Speaker 3: rotating relative to what your body's doing. That's why good
Speaker 3: players connect the arms of the body, and the arms
Speaker 3: move where the body takes them. They're not trying to
Speaker 3: take the club back and put it in a position
Speaker 3: because it's then it becomes disconnected to the body and
Speaker 3: then they've got to re rout the arms back to
Speaker 3: where the elbow hits that inside of the hip area
Speaker 3: to hit the golf ball. Oh well, that can do
Speaker 3: that on a consistent basis. Am I making you crazy? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Absolutely?
Speaker 3: Am I making you crazy? Uh?
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely. There's so much going on right now in
Speaker 2: my head. It's like there's.
Speaker 3: If I if you were in front of me and
Speaker 3: I set you up and you had some idea of
Speaker 3: the golf thing you've been playing a while, Okay, but
Speaker 3: you know I slice everything, all right, okay everything or whatever.
Speaker 3: I show you that when your arms go three of
Speaker 3: the body on the downs and the club is either
Speaker 3: going to roll over or you're going to hang on
Speaker 3: to it and it's going to stay open. And that's
Speaker 3: why you can get up and hook one ball and
Speaker 3: then you guard the next one and.
Speaker 2: You pull it. Yeah. So when when you're when you're
Speaker 2: addressing the ball, and you're you're setting up with the
Speaker 2: ball with the club face. You're look, you're staring at
Speaker 2: the ball. Your club face is sitting just behind it
Speaker 2: when you're coming So, but when you come through on
Speaker 2: your swing, that is not the base of your swing, right,
Speaker 2: that's the base of it would be in front of
Speaker 2: the ball, right, the bottom part of yours, the bottom
Speaker 2: part of the swing would be. You know, when you're
Speaker 2: falling through, because you want to hit the ball and
Speaker 2: then hit the ground. Do you want to make the
Speaker 2: divot after you hit the ball.
Speaker 3: Yes, Well, it's that turning through impact that brings the
Speaker 3: club so that the ball is being struck on the
Speaker 3: down swing, so it hits the ball, hits the turf
Speaker 3: when you're in the proper position, just prior to impact. Okay,
Speaker 3: the club is coming down, it strikes the ball, and
Speaker 3: it takes a little bit of divot when you get
Speaker 3: behind the ball, when you have too much weight on
Speaker 3: the right side. It is trying to hit the golf ball.
Speaker 3: You're going to come down in behind the ball. You're
Speaker 3: going to bring the club kinda where you have it
Speaker 3: to start with, so you're going to go div it ball.
Speaker 3: And that's how most people hit it. They take real
Speaker 3: deep dits, and even when they hit a good shot,
Speaker 3: they still hit them a little flabby because they're in
Speaker 3: the wrong position. They're behind the golf ball. If you
Speaker 3: look at a picture at impact of a good player,
Speaker 3: you'll see that his chest area is not in the
Speaker 3: same position he was at a dress. Like some people
Speaker 3: try to say, get back to the dress. His left
Speaker 3: side is open, it's turned to open, okay, and the
Speaker 3: right side is now driving past the golf ball. If
Speaker 3: you look at it you want to see a great swing,
Speaker 3: Look at anakis or instant. That girl had more birdies
Speaker 3: of two and three inches because she hit is so
Speaker 3: dead at the hole because she was turning towards the
Speaker 3: target and that arms were being pulled, so she was
Speaker 3: trapping that club dead square. So she unwolmed properly. The
Speaker 3: ball went right where she unwelmed to. And that's what
Speaker 3: we're looking for to learn to hit the ball without
Speaker 3: a lot of side spin. Now, when I want to
Speaker 3: cut it or draw it, I do it by memory.
Speaker 3: I just set up to the ball and feel like
Speaker 3: I'm going to do it. But there is a process
Speaker 3: of doing it that I practiced for a lot of
Speaker 3: hours as a young man, but I primarily hit the
Speaker 3: ball with very little movement on it, especially with my irons.
Speaker 3: Because of this action, I could remain in the past.
Speaker 3: To hit it near the pin, I had to aim
Speaker 3: at a club or two to the right of the
Speaker 3: of the green and draw it in. I don't do
Speaker 3: that anymore. I can. I can got pin hunting because
Speaker 3: of this action. I know. I'm not gonna put very
Speaker 3: much side spin on the ball. Side's beIN comes from
Speaker 3: the club face closing and opening and impact. That's all
Speaker 3: it is. I mean, it's not a big secret. So
Speaker 3: when you swing a free arm swing, that club is
Speaker 3: going to roll. I mean, anybody that's listening to me,
Speaker 3: you know, I'll just take a golf club out and
Speaker 3: swing it with your arms a little bit away from you,
Speaker 3: and you see that the weight of the club will
Speaker 3: turn the club over, and it's going to turn it
Speaker 3: over generally before you hit the golf ball. And then
Speaker 3: the next time, because you're scared of death that's gonna happen,
Speaker 3: you're gonna hang on to it tight, so you're gonna
Speaker 3: hold the blade open. So neither one of them are
Speaker 3: any good. You can't come off. So you've got to
Speaker 3: have a golf swing that if it's it's tight as
Speaker 3: heck and you got trouble right and trouble left, that
Speaker 3: you can get up there and free swinging and know
Speaker 3: absolutely no that you're not going to touch either bad area,
Speaker 3: that you're going to carve it into the into the
Speaker 3: free into the fairway one way or another. You're gonna
Speaker 3: power slice it or a soft draw, but you're gonna
Speaker 3: put it in the fairway. And I can still do that.
Speaker 3: I just can't, you know, I just can't hit it
Speaker 3: far enough to really really compete. If they put me
Speaker 3: up on that Ladies teas or or old iyed teas,
Speaker 3: I'll play with anybody.
Speaker 2: You just told me in the last episode that you're
Speaker 2: hitting the ball to sixty five on your drives.
Speaker 3: What do you mean, Yeah, that's short compared to what
Speaker 3: people hit it now.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm well, yeah, yeah, if you're playing.
Speaker 3: With l they played blue cheese, I play white cheese,
Speaker 3: and so I'm I'm at least a little bit up
Speaker 3: with them, or sometimes it will past them with the drive.
Speaker 3: You know, when I created the Mixed Team Championship that
Speaker 3: was on television for what sixty years. What we did
Speaker 3: is we we figured out what women would need. Professional
Speaker 3: women would need to compete against men. They need seventy
Speaker 3: five yards because they not only needed distance on the drive,
Speaker 3: but they needed on the second shot so that they
Speaker 3: could hit into a par four a drive in seven
Speaker 3: or eight iron, because most men are hitting those kind
Speaker 3: of clubs. Prior to that, Prior to that, the gals
Speaker 3: were playing the club. The course is so long that
Speaker 3: no one was reaching par fives and two, and they
Speaker 3: were hitting long irons into par fours. And when we
Speaker 3: came up with this concept, this is many many years ago,
Speaker 3: that tournament kind of changed the way the girls perceived
Speaker 3: the golf course should be because a hard liner said, no, no,
Speaker 3: you're making it too easy. And I said, look, men
Speaker 3: are shooting nineteen or twenty hunder par every tournament the
Speaker 3: winners are, and you're shooting six and seven. The perception
Speaker 3: then from the general public is, well, you're not playing
Speaker 3: as good because you're shooting higher scores, but you're playing
Speaker 3: a lot tougher golf course. You know, they were set
Speaker 3: up like it was like setting up a men's golf
Speaker 3: course of seventy eight hundred yards that's the kind of
Speaker 3: golf the women playing it for a long time, and
Speaker 3: we changed that. But we found that the average guy
Speaker 3: off that pops the ball out there, they need about
Speaker 3: seventy five yards and then then they can compete. Well,
Speaker 3: that's the same by going up. You know when I
Speaker 3: go up on a tee, you know, I go up
Speaker 3: about thirty yards. Well that makes it that that has
Speaker 3: thirty yards of my t shirt. Now I'm in the
Speaker 3: game now. So in the history, we don't play. We
Speaker 3: don't play championship teas. You play to have a.
Speaker 2: Good time, right, you play the white teas, and it's
Speaker 2: like so proud, Yeah, I'm proud to play up.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love it. If some sometimes I play
Speaker 3: with clients, they say, well, look we're going to play
Speaker 3: the senior teas. I love it, can't can't wait. You know,
Speaker 3: I don't have any ego about that. Good for you,
Speaker 3: because I know what my limitations are. But if you
Speaker 3: put me one hundred and fifty yards from the green
Speaker 3: every very hole, I'm going to make a lot of birdies.
Speaker 2: M In the history of golf, are are different sets
Speaker 2: of tea is a relatively new thing.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, They're always most golf courses have ladies.
Speaker 3: He's the men's ties, but most golf course now they're
Speaker 3: in a lot. I've been on a lot of golf
Speaker 3: courses where the ladies seas were twenty yards further than
Speaker 3: the men's that's just that's a joke, to be honest
Speaker 3: with you. They should be pretty close to one hundred
Speaker 3: yards on every single hole for the ladies to enjoy
Speaker 3: the game like men. Do you see gals out there
Speaker 3: with a driver on a par three? Well, you you
Speaker 3: put guys, you make the par three long enough before
Speaker 3: they have to get drivers. You wouldn't see very many pars, okay,
Speaker 3: even at the big boys. So so, I mean, it's
Speaker 3: just that it becomes an oversight when people design golf courses.
Speaker 3: They design them for the men, and they don't consider
Speaker 3: the cows. They put okay, put the red teas here,
Speaker 3: but they don't do it. They don't do it mathematically
Speaker 3: based on how far the most of the gals hit it.
Speaker 3: So you know, when the gals shoot break one hundred,
Speaker 3: they go crazy, they pop the champagne and give everybody
Speaker 3: a pin. That's a joke. If you put them in
Speaker 3: the right place, they're going to be shooting in the
Speaker 3: eighties and the good ones will get in the seventies.
Speaker 2: Well, when you say that the courses are being when
Speaker 2: you say the courses are being designed for man, I
Speaker 2: think that the courses is being designed for PGA Tour
Speaker 2: events because they're just making their courses longer and longer
Speaker 2: and longer, which is playing into their hands of these
Speaker 2: guys who have who can hit the ball in mine
Speaker 2: own half and they don't.
Speaker 3: Have the there's a perception, and it happens at our
Speaker 3: own valley where they'll they'll build what they call the
Speaker 3: championship feet and they'll put them back in the corner
Speaker 3: where they you know, the desire didn't even want them
Speaker 3: to be okay, because they think that by doing that
Speaker 3: they're going to bring more members in. But typically these clubs,
Speaker 3: the membership is three hundred thousand. Well, how many young
Speaker 3: people do you know that will plunk down three hundred
Speaker 3: thousand dollars to join a club. So it's usually older,
Speaker 3: successful people that don't hit it very far. So they
Speaker 3: make these teas so that they can so that they
Speaker 3: can say, well, ours is a seventy three hundred or
Speaker 3: seventy four hundred rated course. Blah blah blah. Meaningless doesn't
Speaker 3: mean a thing because nobody plays them right, you know,
Speaker 3: and it makes the game slow. And you get these
Speaker 3: you get these guys that are eighteen handicaps going back
Speaker 3: there and they and they ruin the game for the
Speaker 3: people behind them. I don't I'm not advocating that we
Speaker 3: put the teas up where you're on the fringe of
Speaker 3: the green team off, but you've got to you've got
Speaker 3: to put you know, we know there's a mean average
Speaker 3: of what your membership hits the ball. We know what
Speaker 3: they hit it, and that's whe the golf course should
Speaker 3: be played from and for ladies, you know, come on,
Speaker 3: how many gals hit it on? How many gals hit
Speaker 3: it one hundred and seventy five yards? Okay, so you
Speaker 3: can't put them on a three hundred and seventy yard
Speaker 3: hole or a four hundred yard hole. That's crazy. I mean,
Speaker 3: they're they're beating a three wood on a third shot.
Speaker 3: You know what kind of fun is that. That's why
Speaker 3: I say I'm I'm very sensitive to dec issue because
Speaker 3: I've worked with a lot of lady professionals in my
Speaker 3: life and I've given them zillion lessons to gals and
Speaker 3: the big majority. I mean that you know, eighty percent,
Speaker 3: you know, can't hit it two hundred yards can't. Okay,
Speaker 3: So now they get on a golf poole that's three ninety,
Speaker 3: you know, I mean if they get on in two
Speaker 3: it's you know, they might have a heart attack. They
Speaker 3: shouldn't be that way. They should be if they hit
Speaker 3: their good drive, they should have some kind of an
Speaker 3: iron or a rescue club to hit, but some kind
Speaker 3: of an iron. It's just it's it's unfairly set up.
Speaker 3: And again, I think it's the responsibility of a golf
Speaker 3: course and the management to understand these things and then
Speaker 3: sit down and come up with an idea. Okay, what
Speaker 3: do we think our gals hit the ball? And then
Speaker 3: plot out a hole so that they can hit some
Speaker 3: kind of a mid iron into that green, and that's
Speaker 3: what the t should be, okay, And then you'd see
Speaker 3: that the galls have a lot more fun and the
Speaker 3: game is more playable for them if you look at
Speaker 3: the scores. I mean, you know, I give lessons and a
Speaker 3: lot of clubs. They invite me to teach, and I
Speaker 3: every now and then there's a tournament one hundred and
Speaker 3: twenty one hundred and fifteen hundred and ten. Every now
Speaker 3: and then you get somebody in the nineties, and that's
Speaker 3: the that's the field. And these are girls have been
Speaker 3: playing a long time, you know, because they're older. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you get the you know, the young members twenty one
Speaker 3: or twenty two or twenty three that married some guy. Well,
Speaker 3: some of those guys can play, they're fresh out of
Speaker 3: college and they can pop the ball. But most of
Speaker 3: the girls are in the fifties and the sixties. Where
Speaker 3: are they going to get the golf ball? You know?
Speaker 3: And a lot of them, a lot of them were
Speaker 3: taught at that age because their husband played golf and
Speaker 3: they were, come on, you got to learn, we'll play
Speaker 3: golf together, that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2: Do you have the same frustrations that I have when
Speaker 2: you go out and play with people, and they especially
Speaker 2: and of course they've not played to go, well, what's
Speaker 2: the distance let's play from this team got sixty nine?
Speaker 2: They want into yards and they don't look at the
Speaker 2: rating slope.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, I know that a lot of courses, even
Speaker 3: the men's let's just say the white cheese because they
Speaker 3: have so many different colors now. But let's say the
Speaker 3: back is the blue cheese, in the middle is the
Speaker 3: white tees. A lot of times the white tees are
Speaker 3: you know, ten yards ahead of the blue cheese, which
Speaker 3: is crazy, it's ludicrous. But again there's no thinking done
Speaker 3: at the start of every day when those tees are set.
Speaker 3: Someone should be setting them based on what the club professional.
Speaker 3: You know that he set that golf course up for
Speaker 3: the superintendent. You can't expect the superintendent and in most
Speaker 3: cases do not play the game. And the superintendent's not
Speaker 3: setting the teases his workers who probably don't play the game.
Speaker 3: So they just cut it down and put the team
Speaker 3: markers there with no thought that somebody's got to play
Speaker 3: from here. So the golf course, the golf course plays
Speaker 3: way beyond the slope, rating the way harder right, right,
Speaker 3: And that's that's you know, we talk about slow play.
Speaker 3: That's one of the reasons we have slow play because
Speaker 3: with the long iron on their third shot, right, it
Speaker 3: has nothing to do with their ability. It has to
Speaker 3: do that it's too long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, people are playing from the wrong tees, their egos
Speaker 2: getting the way, they slow down the pace of play.
Speaker 2: They're scoring high numbers when they shouldn't be. It's just
Speaker 2: it's just this endless cycle of garbage.
Speaker 3: There, right, and it's rooting the game for a lot
Speaker 3: of people, and it's costing. It's costing a lot of
Speaker 3: money because you know, if you have a lot of
Speaker 3: slow play, you can't get players on the golf course.
Speaker 3: But a lot of it goes back to management and
Speaker 3: the planning of where those teas should be. There has
Speaker 3: to be calculations made based on where you think the
Speaker 3: majority of people hit the golf ball so that they
Speaker 3: can enjoy this sport. You know, when you're a successful
Speaker 3: man and you've worked all your life, you don't want
Speaker 3: to play golf. That's beating the heck out of you
Speaker 3: all the time, and you're never going to say this
Speaker 3: is too hard for me. No one wants to do that,
Speaker 3: you know, no one wants to admit to that. So
Speaker 3: what management has to has to do is put them
Speaker 3: put that make that golf course not a sense of easy,
Speaker 3: but fair, not fair. If you can't reach a part
Speaker 3: four and two, if you can hit the ball, let's
Speaker 3: say two hundred and ten yards, you should be able
Speaker 3: to You should be able to hit that green in
Speaker 3: two Okay, So you can't. You can't put a high
Speaker 3: handicap around a four hundred and seventy yard hole or
Speaker 3: four hundred and sixty year old. That's a part five
Speaker 3: for them. And that's how. And that doesn't take away
Speaker 3: from the golf course being a great course, because the
Speaker 3: greatness comes in the design. It doesn't come in the length.
Speaker 2: Right right, because a short course, a short course can
Speaker 2: be very punishing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I've played course that were
Speaker 3: sixty six hundred yards long. They'll give you a battle
Speaker 3: every time you play it. But it's it's because you
Speaker 3: have to be accurate, you have to hit the left,
Speaker 3: left the right, or right the left and those kinds
Speaker 3: of things. But it's not because you can't reach the green.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's just stupid golf. To me. That's stupid golf.
Speaker 3: It really is. And unfortunately, there's so much emphasis on
Speaker 3: distance today in today's world that you know, I get
Speaker 3: these kids at young ages and they're all they're all
Speaker 3: swinging out of their shoes, and I say, what are
Speaker 3: you going to do when you're playing a twenty yard fairway?
Speaker 3: I mean, you're done. So that's part and parcel of
Speaker 3: the problem. We're exposed to everybody hits at three thirty three,
Speaker 3: forty and some guy out there fifty years old, you know,
Speaker 3: you feel impotent, for God's sakes, But it's it's because
Speaker 3: we've been we've been sol a bill of goods. And
Speaker 3: the game is never intended to be a driving contest,
Speaker 3: you know, it really wasn't. It's a game of strategy.
Speaker 3: It's a game of ball placement. And to me, I
Speaker 3: think they're ruining the game by making the courses longer
Speaker 3: and longer and longer. For who, I mean for who?
Speaker 1: Who?
Speaker 3: Who can seventy three one hundred yards is a long
Speaker 3: golf course? Who plays it? Yeah? Maybe a kid that
Speaker 3: beats it out there, but the average guy, man, I mean,
Speaker 3: you know you can't if you can't get home into
Speaker 3: what the heck? You know, time and time again, sometimes
Speaker 3: you know there will be one of those holes out
Speaker 3: there that you say, oh, well this one, I just
Speaker 3: got to be hope, be happy with a bogie. But
Speaker 3: you can't do that for eighteen holes. Right.
Speaker 2: A question about and now I know the obvious answer
Speaker 2: as well, because the club is longer, but is do
Speaker 2: you should you have a different swing? And that's a
Speaker 2: loaded question. With your driver versus your nine iron.
Speaker 3: No, it's going to be it's gonna be flatter because
Speaker 3: the ball is farther away from you. But no, conceptually
Speaker 3: and feel wise, no. And the difficult part is tempo
Speaker 3: because we want to swing the driver faster than we
Speaker 3: do a full swing, let's say with an eight iron,
Speaker 3: and it shouldn't be it will the club will be
Speaker 3: moving faster because the swing is wider, because the club
Speaker 3: is longer, and the distance is going to be derived
Speaker 3: by that longer lever. But you don't try to swing harder.
Speaker 3: I mean, one of the great things I ever heard
Speaker 3: was Trevino was saying that, you know, he's the one
Speaker 3: I played with Nicholas. He was so long. I didn't
Speaker 3: watch him hit it. And he said, I used to
Speaker 3: try to hit it two thirty eight, and I would
Speaker 3: hit it two seventy, but when I tried to hit
Speaker 3: it two seventy, I hit it two thirty eight, which
Speaker 3: I just thought, said, man, that that should be in
Speaker 3: the Bible, for God's sakes. I mean, it was so
Speaker 3: absolutely correct, because when you attempt to try to hit
Speaker 3: the ball harder, your swing gets faster in the backswing,
Speaker 3: shorter in the backswing and tighter at impact. That's why
Speaker 3: a lot of times, you know, we have a shot
Speaker 3: and we think, ah, that's a six arm, but I'm
Speaker 3: going to hit an easy five iron, and we fly
Speaker 3: the green. We say, what the heck I hit that?
Speaker 3: I've hit that fire iron way farther than because you
Speaker 3: relax and you let yourself get that club all the
Speaker 3: way back and all the way through because you weren't
Speaker 3: trying to hit it. You just want he swung the club.
Speaker 3: You know. There's a lot to that, you know, And
Speaker 3: and unfortunately we get that driver and I hand. All
Speaker 3: of a sudden, you see their jaws tightening up. And
Speaker 3: that's not it wasn't intended that. What I tell my boys,
Speaker 3: the driver is a placement club, not a distance club.
Speaker 3: It's a place. It's a club to place the ball
Speaker 3: on the fairway where you've got a good angle to
Speaker 3: the green. That's all it is. Don't buy into you've
Speaker 3: got to hit a three fifty or three forty or
Speaker 3: three thirty or any of those numbers. Let that happen. Fine.
Speaker 3: If you can do that, fine, but you don't try
Speaker 3: to make it happen because you're just going to you're
Speaker 3: gonna get handsy, you're gonna get your arms ahead of
Speaker 3: your body, and you're gonna hit it all over the place.
Speaker 3: And you know, without naming guys on tour, there's a
Speaker 3: couple of guys that win a tournament. The next week,
Speaker 3: you know they're at the very bottom because they're all
Speaker 3: over the place. So when they're timing that big swing,
Speaker 3: they're okay, but they can't do it every week. And
Speaker 3: then you got the same guys in the middle of
Speaker 3: the pack every single week, and then every now and
Speaker 3: then then they break through. But when they don't win,
Speaker 3: they don't drop to the very bottom. They're always up
Speaker 3: in contention. And those are the guys that are in
Speaker 3: control of that club hit. They're not out there trying
Speaker 3: to hit it three fifty right now.
Speaker 2: That's an excellent point. Pick a spot in the fairway
Speaker 2: and get there. Don't and be fair to yourself, don't
Speaker 2: try to crush it. Just try to get to your spot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just all you're trying to do is set the
Speaker 3: whole up. That's what the driver does is sets the
Speaker 3: whole off of the next shot. Put it a little
Speaker 3: bit on the left center of the fairway, so you're
Speaker 3: coming in at the right angle. You're not hitting over
Speaker 3: a bunk or whatever. I mean. Hogan looked at the
Speaker 3: faraway and quadrants, and he picked out a quadrant and
Speaker 3: put it there. Now, you know, he was pretty special
Speaker 3: about hitting the golf ball. But if you're if you've
Speaker 3: cut everything, then get over to the far right of
Speaker 3: the tee and aim it to the far left of
Speaker 3: the fairway and let it cut back into the fairway.
Speaker 3: That's why you're using the whole ferway. Aim it to
Speaker 3: the right edge of the fairway and let your draw
Speaker 3: work in the into the fairway. Now you're using the
Speaker 3: whole fairway. What a lot of people do. They stand
Speaker 3: in the middle of the tee and they hit it.
Speaker 3: They're trying to hit it right straight down the middle.
Speaker 3: So if they push it, it's going off the ferry.
Speaker 3: If they pull it, it's going off the ferry because
Speaker 3: they're only using half of the fairway. You understand what
Speaker 3: I mean by that, Yeah, and so we In most cases,
Speaker 3: you don't stand in the middle of the tee. You
Speaker 3: either stand on the left side or the right side,
Speaker 3: based on the shape, on the shape of your of
Speaker 3: your drive. You know, I hit a little cut. Some
Speaker 3: people hit a little draw uh or if my typical
Speaker 3: shot cut or my typical shot draws, and then I'll
Speaker 3: play that with the driver. I'm I'm I'm gonna position
Speaker 3: myself on the tee to take advantage of the whole
Speaker 3: pharaweh instead of half of it. So early on.
Speaker 2: In the last episode when we were talking about you
Speaker 2: know that everybody's swing is unique and it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's really all about being square at contact. Correct, that's correct, okay,
Speaker 2: And so there is no perfect swing, is this what
Speaker 2: we're saying?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's not possible. That's why the fairways are forty
Speaker 3: to fifty yards wide and so forth, because there always
Speaker 3: is going to be a little variancid impact, a little open,
Speaker 3: a little closed. The more connected and the more rotational
Speaker 3: you are in your golf swing, the more that you're
Speaker 3: going to bring the club fairly consistently to the ball,
Speaker 3: and you're going to you'll know where the club head is.
Speaker 3: That's a big key is knowing where the club hit is.
Speaker 3: So if you're rolling your forearms over trying to hit
Speaker 3: a golf ball, there's no way to know to feel
Speaker 3: where it is, you know, But when you're when you're
Speaker 3: rotating your body and that's pulling the arms, and the
Speaker 3: arms are connected to the body. Then the arms feel
Speaker 3: like a lever connected to a gear, and as you
Speaker 3: turn the lever, the lever moves moves forward, so you're
Speaker 3: never swinging your arms freely. All this stuff about a
Speaker 3: free arm swing, it should be in the comic books
Speaker 3: because it isn't reality. The freer you armed swing, the
Speaker 3: more the club has a chance to be open or closed.
Speaker 3: We don't want that.
Speaker 2: Well, Tony, once again, you've been a wealth of information.
Speaker 2: I so enjoy speaking with you. Thank you so much
Speaker 2: for your time to these last two episodes. And again, people,
Speaker 2: if Tony intrigues you at all, there's a lot of
Speaker 2: calls to action that we've gone through. One is make
Speaker 2: sure that you check out the video, the Golf Smarter TV,
Speaker 2: the video that we did together, because it's going to
Speaker 2: teach you a lot in a short amount of time.
Speaker 3: Well, Fred, I'd like to just close with one thing. Please,
Speaker 3: for the people out there that have listened to this.
Speaker 3: You know there's a lot of pontificating going on, but
Speaker 3: if you really want to get into this game, find
Speaker 3: someone that really understands rotation and connection. If they're not
Speaker 3: using those words to you and trying to get you
Speaker 3: to hoist the club up the air and then bring
Speaker 3: it down. You know, just run. Find somebody, just like
Speaker 3: going to a doctor. Find somebody that understands the simplicity
Speaker 3: of the golf swing. It isn't rocket science. It's really
Speaker 3: kind of simplistic once you connect all the parts and
Speaker 3: then just move them in a rotational move. If you
Speaker 3: find someone like that and that's patient, you're going to
Speaker 3: grow in the game and you're going to start enjoying
Speaker 3: the game. And then go to your golf pro if
Speaker 3: you belong to a club, and tell them a little
Speaker 3: bit about why don't we set this golf course up
Speaker 3: based on what the average guy hits it off the
Speaker 3: tee and I think your membership will be very happy.
Speaker 3: And you don't have to say we're moving it up.
Speaker 3: Just put the tea in a place where you were
Speaker 3: common said warrants it, and boy, I'll tell you what,
Speaker 3: the game will be enjoyable for everybody at that club.
Speaker 3: And you can make the golf course hard. You can
Speaker 3: narrow the fairways with roughs, you can put the pin
Speaker 3: in the funny positions so you don't have to worry
Speaker 3: about the being tough enough