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<v Speaker 1>You see, something's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>What What's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 3>What?

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<v Speaker 4>I bet client.

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<v Speaker 5>Welcome to the Occult Rejects in this episode. I got

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<v Speaker 5>a bunch of as well, a few of us. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 5>and we got Austin Wayne Picard joining us today. Very excited,

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<v Speaker 5>very exciting, and uh yeah, we're gonna be talking about

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<v Speaker 5>the Solar Temple. Uh. That was actually a topic that

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<v Speaker 5>I'll even admit I had recorded with a couple of

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<v Speaker 5>the other rejects on the show and just never put

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<v Speaker 5>it out because we didn't need it a part two

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<v Speaker 5>and it was just too much shit for me to

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<v Speaker 5>get involved with. And I came of course Austin. I

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<v Speaker 5>was like, fuck, I'll just revisit it and have him

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<v Speaker 5>do it. So yeah, and Julia has also covered it herself,

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<v Speaker 5>so I was like, why do not get them both on?

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<v Speaker 5>We could just do the show that way. So we

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<v Speaker 5>got Julia from Cosmic Peacha joining us. What is going on, Julia?

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<v Speaker 5>How are you?

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<v Speaker 6>What's up?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 7>We just recently did a little bit of a Coult

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<v Speaker 7>episode me and my husband Colby, So solar Temple was

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<v Speaker 7>not one that we mentioned in this episode. But I'm

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<v Speaker 7>very excited to get into it today and obviously Cosmic

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<v Speaker 7>Peach podcast wherever you listen to podcasts.

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<v Speaker 6>Excited to be here, awesome, Hell yeah, thank you.

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<v Speaker 5>And we got JJ Vance with us today. What is

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<v Speaker 5>going on, sir Hawai.

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<v Speaker 8>Nick Greggy, Sir, I appreciate the invice always, Julia and

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<v Speaker 8>he always great to join your fellow cult rechecks for

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<v Speaker 8>a conversation on colts especially especially and also wait for

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<v Speaker 8>card greeting, sir, welcome back to another conversation here. I

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<v Speaker 8>always enjoy of the barn burner conversations we have here,

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<v Speaker 8>including we've already started out here in the pre show today.

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<v Speaker 8>But JJ Vance host of Operations GCD and not the

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<v Speaker 8>vice president and look for the conversation.

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<v Speaker 5>Hell yeah, hell yeah, thank you very much man. And

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<v Speaker 5>we got Heidi from Under well sorry whatever, Heidi, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 5>Heidi love.

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<v Speaker 9>Unfiltered, Thank you, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad to be back and happy to be here

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<v Speaker 3>with all the occult rejects. Happy to see you Nick,

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<v Speaker 3>and nice to meet you Austin. I am at Unfiltered

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<v Speaker 3>Rice podcast wherever you get your podcasts, check me out.

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<v Speaker 5>Hell yeah, thank you very much. And we were supposed

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<v Speaker 5>to have Ricardo on with us today. If he doesn't

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<v Speaker 5>make it, I'll just plug it anyway. Ricardo from Natural Philosophy.

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<v Speaker 5>I think maybe I might have screwed up the timing

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<v Speaker 5>or something, but yeah, he was supposed to join us.

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<v Speaker 5>He may jump in in case he does, and I

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<v Speaker 5>don't want to introduce interrupt the show. I just plugged

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<v Speaker 5>this stuff right this, We were good. And then finally

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<v Speaker 5>to the guests himself, somebody that after I had him

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<v Speaker 5>on Fridays, was like, I definitely got to get this

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<v Speaker 5>man on the show. And again, like I said, he

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<v Speaker 5>covered the Solo Temple, and I would assume if he

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<v Speaker 5>covered it like other topics I've seen him cover, he

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<v Speaker 5>probably did a really fucking good job. So here we are, Austin.

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<v Speaker 5>What is going on? So let everybody know and may

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<v Speaker 5>not know who you are yet where they can find

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<v Speaker 5>your work.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you guys, honestly for having me on, just

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<v Speaker 2>being willing to have another one of these conversations right

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<v Speaker 2>where we kind of I don't know, find ourselves in

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of just very much unexpected underground network of

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<v Speaker 2>seemingly like so much of the connection seem to bridge

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<v Speaker 2>at this intersection with right Cleindesteine operations, occult organizations, and

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<v Speaker 2>in this deliberate sort of in my mind, there's always

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of intelligence apparatus involved in sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>cult organization's aspect of things. But anyway, the point before

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<v Speaker 2>I get into the OTS, I should introduce myself, so everybody,

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<v Speaker 2>I started the Underclass podcast, and like I believe, it

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<v Speaker 2>was April of twenty twenty three, so it's still, I

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<v Speaker 2>feel like, very much in its infancy. But yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I never expected to find myself here, to

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<v Speaker 2>be honest, because I did begin my very first episode

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<v Speaker 2>with Operation MK Ultra. So it makes a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>sense now in hindsight, right that I would find myself

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<v Speaker 2>in this position as far as many of the different

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<v Speaker 2>subjects and topics that I've been kind of overexposed to now,

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<v Speaker 2>which I don't know. You can never really be too

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<v Speaker 2>over exposed to this because there are so many deep

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<v Speaker 2>layered connections to all these these basically criminal enterprises that

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<v Speaker 2>are seemingly being facilitated, propped up and and and yeah

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<v Speaker 2>and covered up as well after the fact. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>point being, I'm always tending to kind of dive deeper

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<v Speaker 2>into the alternative theories to a lot of these, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>very much recent historical scandals that have I think been

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<v Speaker 2>misrepresented by design, right, and and uh in order to

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<v Speaker 2>sort of, uh keep the veil in place in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of right, just kind of just the average individual, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and the ideologically subverted and imprisoned individual who seems to

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<v Speaker 2>not be able to see straight due to partisan politics

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<v Speaker 2>and the two party delusion. They're very much, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>falling victim to right, this this sort of manufactured trap.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I'm just documentaries exactly exactly bearing the lead

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<v Speaker 2>limited hangouts part of the magic show, right, the propaganda

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<v Speaker 2>campaign we're all subjected to.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, Sometimes I think it's actually promoting the cults more

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<v Speaker 5>than if anything. Yeah, I think it's more of like

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<v Speaker 5>gets probably more people interested in looking into it in

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<v Speaker 5>the fucked.

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<v Speaker 8>Up way than actually you know, hm, well, I like

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<v Speaker 8>your pen post on your twixter profile. They're Austin from

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<v Speaker 8>from the CIA director Ron Reagan, if you you don't

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<v Speaker 8>mind sharing that one.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, If everything the American public believes is false, right,

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<v Speaker 2>that that is the that is when their disinformation campaign

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<v Speaker 2>will be complete, is yeah, And that is exactly where

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<v Speaker 2>we're at, right, and I just think they're they've kind

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<v Speaker 2>of overachieved in more ways than one, in my mind,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that honestly, it's so as far as

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<v Speaker 2>just the tools they have in place to facilitate these

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<v Speaker 2>agendas and and kind of pursue the dystopian totalitarian tiptoe.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just it's it's on this kind of repeating cycle

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<v Speaker 2>where unfortunately, as I mentioned, the average person can't seem

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<v Speaker 2>to interpret this in real time, right, And so it's just, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're in this over emotional, reactive state of mind,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, And I think that's that's always being exploited

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<v Speaker 2>and leveraged against them. And and that's why I feel

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<v Speaker 2>very much as if and the reason I named my

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<v Speaker 2>podcast the Underclass was just because I felt entirely disillusioned

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<v Speaker 2>by the process just in general, and and and and

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<v Speaker 2>then philosophically, I just fell out of the the idea

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<v Speaker 2>that I even would would, uh, you know, want representation.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know what I mean, It's just like, at

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<v Speaker 2>a certain point, I would just prefer to attempt to

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<v Speaker 2>pursue like some sort of individual sovereignty as much as

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<v Speaker 2>I personally can at a right at a at a

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<v Speaker 2>at a just like in real terms that I can

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<v Speaker 2>apply with as far as just outlining your core principles

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<v Speaker 2>matters more than anything. And I think, uh, again, that's

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<v Speaker 2>why I'm super grateful that I have opportunities like this

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<v Speaker 2>like minded individuals where I don't feel so isolated in

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<v Speaker 2>my ideas and and uh and and that that's what

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<v Speaker 2>drove me to start the show more than anything was was. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I wanted to continue to grow and learn more about

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<v Speaker 2>these things and and but present them in a way

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<v Speaker 2>that I felt like. I would listen to other shows

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<v Speaker 2>and listen to certain uh you know, just investigative deep

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<v Speaker 2>dives on some of these topics, and I always wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to somehow, you know, how how can I like, I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to bridge the gap on certain areas where I

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to provide credibility more to the the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy aspect of things where people seem to you know,

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<v Speaker 2>dismiss things more at face value. I want to kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like reinforce the ideas in a credible way as

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<v Speaker 2>much as I possibly can, with providing context and a

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<v Speaker 2>comprehensive outline. Hopefully that will reinforce and reiterate a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of this corroborating evidence, right, and then it almost becomes undeniable,

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<v Speaker 2>And you're not just sitting there making these claims and right,

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<v Speaker 2>and allegations and and and and that are kind of

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<v Speaker 2>just you know, not at all backed by by as

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<v Speaker 2>far as like, I'm not saying that that you know it,

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<v Speaker 2>just as far as I'm concerned, there is so much

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<v Speaker 2>truth to a lot of these alternative theories that I

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<v Speaker 2>just would like to bolster a lot of that evidence

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<v Speaker 2>as much as I possibly can. And I'm more than anything,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm appealed to. What appeals to me is the plight

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, unfortunately the most vulnerable among us, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and that tends to be just like the complete and

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<v Speaker 2>total abuse of and sadistic abuse of children, right, And

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<v Speaker 2>and so that tends to be involved in more ways

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<v Speaker 2>than one and many of these occult organizations. And that

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<v Speaker 2>also happens to come up in the order of the

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<v Speaker 2>Solar Temple, right, wouldn't you know.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm just going to ask you, how did you get

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<v Speaker 5>to the Solar Temple? When you were done?

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<v Speaker 2>Who? So I did my jonestown episode and that was

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<v Speaker 2>I knew of Franklin, and I knew The Finders really

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<v Speaker 2>was the one that I was just like, what have

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<v Speaker 2>what has happened here? Right? Like this is legitimately. I

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<v Speaker 2>just took what what Ted Gunderson had to say about

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<v Speaker 2>The Finders and uh, I honestly, it's a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>and I will say, I think there's a point to

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<v Speaker 2>be made as far as questioning the credibility and of

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<v Speaker 2>certain individuals. But I have no like Tederson, like Ted

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<v Speaker 2>guns everybody. Yeah, obviously Ted Gunderson former head.

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<v Speaker 8>Of Right exactly who thought he was gonna be the

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<v Speaker 8>FBI director aftercover.

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<v Speaker 2>Right for sure? But you know I discovered right this

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<v Speaker 2>alleged mass hysteria, satanic panic, right, and in reality, I

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<v Speaker 2>was unaware of the fact that there was clearly much

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<v Speaker 2>more to that than as far as legitimately, there are

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<v Speaker 2>obviously real examples of satanic ritual abuse that was conducted.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, people like to talk about mc martin uh

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<v Speaker 2>and dismiss, dismiss that case, But my god, man, I

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<v Speaker 2>mean you look at at I mean the presidio right

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<v Speaker 2>in San Francisco, and you see what was happening. It

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't just McMartin and Manhattan Beach. You know this, This

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<v Speaker 2>was more than one child care facility that was being

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<v Speaker 2>entirely exploited, and and they had underground tunnels connecting to

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<v Speaker 2>uh neighboring properties. And this was all filled in with

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<v Speaker 2>a foreign dirt source that was then legitimately revealed later

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<v Speaker 6>About the underground tunnels in.

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<v Speaker 8>The McMartin preschool, Yeah, I think I think you had

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<v Speaker 8>a very salient characteristic there in the satanic panic nonsense,

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<v Speaker 8>and when you said it wasn't just persidio, and when

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<v Speaker 8>I'm not saying that, but I think it's also used

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<v Speaker 8>for a passion in which to bastardized this entire narrative.

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<v Speaker 8>Right afuse everybody, because you you're right, it wasn't just prosidio.

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<v Speaker 8>So I've tracked seven other Army daycare centers at the

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<v Speaker 8>very same time the runder scandals, such as West Point

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<v Speaker 8>YEP exactly at the same.

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<v Speaker 8>the same pattern behavior and at the base, it never

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<v Speaker 8>goes past the base level, right, it never goes above

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and so looking into Presidio and McMartin led you

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<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you this. It's it's so essentially when when

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<v Speaker 2>shock even hardened CIA watchdogs and Holsinger in nineteen eighty right,

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<v Speaker 2>he says that he'd already discovered Richard Dwyer's presence at Jonestown,

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<v Speaker 2>who was the CIA asset and clearly a CIA operative,

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<v Speaker 2>who was not only at Port Callyum airstrip when Congressman

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<v Speaker 2>le O'Ryan was executed by the Red Brigade and what

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<v Speaker 2>was described as like robot assassins under mind control who

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<v Speaker 2>went down there, and Larry Layton was the individual the

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<v Speaker 2>only one who ever got charged. And this dude, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>legitimately he was under mind control and had connections to

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<v Speaker 2>at oh shit, I forget the actual location, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want to get too much into Jonestown. The point

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<v Speaker 2>being here is just that basically this a professor sent

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<v Speaker 2>the Penal Colony to William Holsinger. After all this occurred

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<v Speaker 2>in seventy eight, I believed, is when they all the

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<v Speaker 2>alleged mass suicide took place, which is another perfect example, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because we're this is what we're supposed to consider the

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<v Speaker 2>OTS as a doomsday cult, right, and that committed mass

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<v Speaker 2>suicide and revolutionary mass suicide, which is just it's just laughable.

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<v Speaker 8>and their black nikes is the problem, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think, right, but yeah, multiple countries, right, and are involved

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<v Speaker 2>and and you know it gets it's it's extraordinary as

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<v Speaker 2>far as the details of this story, but in terms

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<v Speaker 2>of the penal Colony paper, this detailed how the CIA

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<v Speaker 2>mind control program mk Ultra was not stopped in seventy

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<v Speaker 2>three but had been driven underground, right and not as

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<v Speaker 2>so the CIA had told Congress obviously they stopped they

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<v Speaker 2>stopped him Kulture in nineteen seventy three, but.

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<v Speaker 8>Instead it was back that first second there also, you

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<v Speaker 8>don't mind it like when we say the CI told

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<v Speaker 8>Congress something that was a pretty similar event, and not

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<v Speaker 8>only our American government but also in you know, with

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<v Speaker 8>this within the CIA hierarchy, there were a lot of

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<v Speaker 8>folks got fired after that, and no one really discovered

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<v Speaker 8>anything because when Congress said, right, if Congress said, bring

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<v Speaker 8>in the paperwork there to the director of whose names is.

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<v Speaker 2>Richard I know, but but Richard Helms, for sure he

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<v Speaker 2>ordered the destruction of the thousands of of of files

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<v Speaker 2>and so we will never know after he was.

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<v Speaker 8>Told to bring it into Congress. Right, and do you

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<v Speaker 8>ever get did you ever get hell accountable for that?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely not. No, no, and and that's uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's people don't realize that Watergate happened around this time

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<v Speaker 2>as well, right, it wasn't it, and so uh ye

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<v Speaker 8>And then we get in the four, we get the

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<v Speaker 8>Ford Nelson Rockefeller administration, and then yeah, and then Ford

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<v Speaker 8>fires everybody in November seventy five because two manson girls

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<v Speaker 8>has happened to almost make Nelson Rockefeller the president of

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<v Speaker 8>September of seventy five between two different assassinate mind control

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<v Speaker 8>assassination attempts on forward three weeks apart in California. And

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<v Speaker 8>then Ford fires everybody, and then we get I don't

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<v Speaker 8>think Ford now necessarily maybe he did, but I don't

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<v Speaker 8>think he did. You think he was kind of dumb.

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<v Speaker 8>Then we get George Bushes, you know, we get George

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<v Speaker 8>Bush and the CIA. So I think that that whole

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<v Speaker 8>transitionary period within that like you know, two year period

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<v Speaker 8>of the seventies is fucking weird.

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<v Speaker 2>It's strange as hell, and I'm telling you, and as

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<v Speaker 2>far as you know, obviously mk Ultra was driven underground,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean the same goes for like people act

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<v Speaker 2>as if Operation Mockingbirds cease to exist, like, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>that's clearly not the case, right, I mean, the mainstream

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<v Speaker 2>media has been entirely right, just subverted for for generations,

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<v Speaker 2>and and this is why we have to reside in

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<v Speaker 2>the alternative media landscape. It's up to people like us

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<v Speaker 2>to have any real conversation and probably below the surface

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<v Speaker 2>at any real level, to actually uh, you know, provide

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<v Speaker 2>some context to any of this. But yeah, so the

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<v Speaker 2>what I found most interesting about this point though, then

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<v Speaker 2>the reason I brought it up was just because it

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<v Speaker 2>reported that merely it was basically driven into public hospitals

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<v Speaker 2>and prisons, and but it was more so they they started,

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<v Speaker 2>they began to prioritize after seventy three the secure confines

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<v Speaker 2>of these religious cults, and Holsinger believed along with this

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<v Speaker 2>penal colony UC Professor, UC Berkeley Professor that Jonestown obviously

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<v Speaker 2>was one of these cults that were firmly uh you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as in in terms of just being affiliated

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<v Speaker 2>with Project MK Ultra, obviously we're a major part and

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<v Speaker 2>that you know, it makes all the sense in the

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<v Speaker 2>world in my opinion, right as far as if you

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<v Speaker 2>think about what Colonel bo Gritz had to say, about Jonestown.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very interesting because he was grits, bo grits.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh Man, I just got I just got educate on

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<v Speaker 8>some bo grits your day. How deep he was in

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<v Speaker 8>the operation pat.

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<v Speaker 2>Con stuff, oh man, grit so former green Bray, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as far as U S Army Special Forces officer, I

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<v Speaker 2>think even trained the Afghan muja Hadeen in domestic and

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<v Speaker 2>the domestic US on black site. There you go, and

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<v Speaker 2>and he's listed, he's listed heavily in the pack on documents,

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<v Speaker 2>is one of the redacted names.

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<v Speaker 4>Of course, that's why that's why I was up there

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<v Speaker 4>in ruby Bridge. There you go the pat operation and

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<v Speaker 4>and bo Gritz is up there as the negotiator with

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<v Speaker 4>with Randy Weaver, who I read this crazy ass uh

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<v Speaker 4>story about how potentially you know, this Paul Wilcher report

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<v Speaker 4>was saying that, and that was sent to Attorney General

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<v Speaker 4>Janet Reno at the time. And then Paul Wilcher was

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<v Speaker 4>effectively assassinated and he was he was a journalist that

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<v Speaker 4>was on the White House press team even for a time,

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<v Speaker 4>and and like that he was executed.

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<v Speaker 2>His body was then moved and then he was and

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<v Speaker 2>obviously they claimed he committed suicide, but his bowels had

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<v Speaker 2>been released at at a separate location. They claimed that

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<v Speaker 2>he was he committed suicide on his own toilet, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>that just did not happen.

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<v Speaker 8>And know that case, that sounds very interesting because Mary

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<v Speaker 8>Garland was her number two number.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, dude. But you know what this dude said.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, this is all around the time of Danny

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<v Speaker 2>Castilero's octopus, right, and he said, uh, I know just

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<v Speaker 2>as much, if not more than Danny did. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is and this is right before his death. And uh

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<v Speaker 2>he was talking to Uh it's a real crazy name.

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<v Speaker 2>Who was this guy again? Can you spell his name

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<v Speaker 2>for him? Room? Paul Wilcher, Paul Wilcher, Yeah, that's his name.

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<v Speaker 8>It's Paul and w I L C H E I.

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<v Speaker 8>And you know the sha for folks to look at

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<v Speaker 8>here with some of the stuff, please continue.

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<v Speaker 2>Looker Russbacher, all right, is the CIA operative covert operative

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<v Speaker 2>that he was involved with having it as far as

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<v Speaker 2>like who was providing him with many of these details,

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't him alone, but he said gun to Russbacher said

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<v Speaker 2>that he was being uh targeted prioritized because as far

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<v Speaker 2>as being hung out to dry, but also they were

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<v Speaker 2>potentially targeting him for assassination because he knew too much

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<v Speaker 2>and was willing to blow the whistle. And he was

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly the one who flew George Bush William Casey. There

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<v Speaker 2>was a whole list of who was on the flight

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<v Speaker 2>that he flew to Paris to for for it, because

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<v Speaker 2>this was all about the October surprise and the hostage

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<v Speaker 2>negotiation crisis. That right, and he claimed to be the

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<v Speaker 2>covert operative who flew George Bush Sr. To Paris and

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<v Speaker 2>along with all these other you know.

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<v Speaker 8>Spooks and me Carter's cousin Barry Seal was too busy

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<v Speaker 8>to fly him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, Hey, Tosh Plumbley says that that story for

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<v Speaker 2>Howard Hughes, right, didn't he get his star working for

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<v Speaker 2>Howard Hughes, which, by the way, that they uh Nixon

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<v Speaker 2>in Howard Hughes to essentially provide plausible deniability within the

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<v Speaker 2>private sector and stage all of these domestic black sites

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<v Speaker 2>within the US. And and that was that legitimately happened

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<v Speaker 2>when Nixon was VP.

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<v Speaker 9>He do you know who Nixon's godfather is?

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<v Speaker 2>Who is it?

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<v Speaker 9>Elmer Bops? Do you know who it is?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, man, who has ties to Martha Belle Mitchell Knights

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<v Speaker 3>of the Black Sun.

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<v Speaker 9>It's pretty fun. That's a fun rabbit hole to go down.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I believe what what's what's the damn guy's name?

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<v Speaker 2>Not only was it so Nixon had two individuals in

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<v Speaker 2>his administration that were affiliated with P two, right, and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so there's a circle, right, they were all connected in

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<v Speaker 2>it goes right back to CC.

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<v Speaker 8>I want to get to the P two Vatican Bank

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<v Speaker 8>scan because the Vatican Bank was co owners with the

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<v Speaker 8>CIA and b CCI. Back to this all the same

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<v Speaker 8>traverting I just talked about to the OTS.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, actually, there you go if OTS was founded in

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<v Speaker 5>about nineteen eighty four, correcting around genevas with right, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Think you think you can get us to the Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>for sure, man. So I think it's it's really interesting

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<v Speaker 2>because the way I kind of describe the OTS when

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<v Speaker 2>I did my episode on this was was it introduced

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<v Speaker 2>me to much more of this in sort of the

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<v Speaker 2>fashion of the market Troil case. This hidden surreptitious infrastructure

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<v Speaker 2>intended to alter the political fabric of global society, right

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<v Speaker 2>and this this, this draws in the Unholy Alliance aspect,

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<v Speaker 2>right of of the organized crime syndicates, esoterica, cult, secret societies,

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<v Speaker 2>clandestine global intelligence operations, right and and so, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Kloak and Dagger methods. And that's what I believe is

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<v Speaker 2>happening with the Order of the Solar Temple. But the

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<v Speaker 2>way that we could really like kind of begin at

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<v Speaker 2>the very least is introduced the fact that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the Solar Temple was considered to be just an esoteric

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<v Speaker 2>new religious movement. The Secret Society described as as a

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<v Speaker 2>doomsday cult, right, as I mentioned earlier, But it's most

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<v Speaker 2>known for the mass deaths that occurred in all these

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<v Speaker 2>incidents and throughout the nineties. And so they claimed to

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<v Speaker 2>base their ideals off of the Knights Templar and incorporated

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<v Speaker 2>this this strange mix of Rosicrucianism, theos A fee uh

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<v Speaker 2>really like many different New Age ideas were involved, like

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<v Speaker 2>even the Luciferian Internationale. I didn't realize the Green Order

422
00:24:09.039 --> 00:24:10.160
<v Speaker 2>was involved.

423
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<v Speaker 5>And real quick had to put you on the spot.

424
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<v Speaker 5>Did you get these notes from a book? Is like

425
00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:16.640
<v Speaker 5>what you just said was literally word for word from

426
00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:18.160
<v Speaker 5>the thing I'm reading on my end same.

427
00:24:18.759 --> 00:24:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so no, this is this, that's crazy.

428
00:24:23.319 --> 00:24:24.599
<v Speaker 5>We've both read the same book.

429
00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:31.279
<v Speaker 2>The Order of the Solar Temple, Ordered the Temple Solare. Yeah,

430
00:24:32.000 --> 00:24:35.880
<v Speaker 2>that had a lot of in that book. It's so good.

431
00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:39.559
<v Speaker 2>But there's also two different books. One of them has

432
00:24:39.599 --> 00:24:43.319
<v Speaker 2>barely even been translated from French, right, And that's what

433
00:24:43.400 --> 00:24:46.519
<v Speaker 2>a lot of these different resource materials that have been

434
00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:51.720
<v Speaker 2>provided on the ots entirely have you know, our are

435
00:24:52.079 --> 00:24:55.640
<v Speaker 2>the same thing goes with with researching the Nazi occult

436
00:24:55.680 --> 00:25:00.119
<v Speaker 2>aspect of things. You can't get a translated copy. It's

437
00:25:00.200 --> 00:25:03.759
<v Speaker 2>very difficult, and I think that that's by design as well.

438
00:25:03.799 --> 00:25:06.640
<v Speaker 2>It's kind of how they pay well, you know, resources

439
00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:11.400
<v Speaker 2>that are very important, especially you think of like chet

440
00:25:11.480 --> 00:25:15.680
<v Speaker 2>det Lunger's book the list on the Atlanta case, it's

441
00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:18.400
<v Speaker 2>like four hundred bucks. And so that's just another example

442
00:25:18.440 --> 00:25:22.200
<v Speaker 2>of how they kind of you know, it's.

443
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<v Speaker 7>Well, you might find this interesting, but when I was

444
00:25:24.880 --> 00:25:28.319
<v Speaker 7>doing my research on the Solar Temple, I actually came

445
00:25:28.359 --> 00:25:34.480
<v Speaker 7>across the topic because old ass episode of Ancient Aliens

446
00:25:34.720 --> 00:25:38.160
<v Speaker 7>came on and it was all about the fucking Solar Temple.

447
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:42.519
<v Speaker 7>They were saying that these assholes were communicating with extraterrestrial

448
00:25:42.599 --> 00:25:47.359
<v Speaker 7>beings and yeah, a UFO cult that they that they

449
00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:49.519
<v Speaker 7>were channeling and like doing all this stuff.

450
00:25:49.559 --> 00:25:50.920
<v Speaker 6>And I was like, what is this ship?

451
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:53.640
<v Speaker 7>Because I know that ancient aliens has a way of

452
00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:57.519
<v Speaker 7>portraying things that's kind of true but also kind of retarded.

453
00:25:57.920 --> 00:26:00.480
<v Speaker 7>So I went and I did my own research into it,

454
00:26:00.519 --> 00:26:02.039
<v Speaker 7>and it's kind of like what you guys are saying.

455
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:03.920
<v Speaker 7>There's like one or two books on it, not a

456
00:26:03.920 --> 00:26:07.480
<v Speaker 7>lot of info, but I do know based on my

457
00:26:07.559 --> 00:26:09.880
<v Speaker 7>research that they had like a big heart on for

458
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:16.480
<v Speaker 7>like Alice Bailey, and they were heavily influenced by like

459
00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:22.680
<v Speaker 7>New Age esoteric kind of like merging Knights Templar and

460
00:26:22.759 --> 00:26:27.359
<v Speaker 7>Alice Bailey and Rosicrucianism, like and they all fucked and

461
00:26:27.440 --> 00:26:30.000
<v Speaker 7>had a hybrid baby that ended up killing.

462
00:26:29.720 --> 00:26:32.000
<v Speaker 6>Itself at the end of the story, kind.

463
00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Of exactly what it became with the Rosicrucians merged with

464
00:26:36.039 --> 00:26:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the Knights Templar adopt this new age esoteric occult philosophy

465
00:26:40.480 --> 00:26:45.240
<v Speaker 2>and frat aspects of not only Christianity but Free Masonry.

466
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:50.640
<v Speaker 2>They also believed sow yeah, and they believed in the

467
00:26:50.680 --> 00:26:53.799
<v Speaker 2>spiritual over the secular traditions, is what they would say.

468
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:57.720
<v Speaker 2>And they even allegedly what they were preparing for was

469
00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:00.880
<v Speaker 2>this uh uh, what they referred to as the Solar

470
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:04.200
<v Speaker 2>God king, all right, and and this was what members

471
00:27:04.240 --> 00:27:07.279
<v Speaker 2>referred to as as like the Jesus Christ model, right,

472
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:09.920
<v Speaker 2>and and that essentially there was even mention of a

473
00:27:11.119 --> 00:27:14.880
<v Speaker 2>what was an immaculate conception, right, which makes a lot

474
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:16.759
<v Speaker 2>of sense as far as like one of these I

475
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:21.119
<v Speaker 2>forget the they basically abused this child, made made the

476
00:27:21.200 --> 00:27:23.720
<v Speaker 2>child wear gloves and a helmet, and like all this

477
00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:27.039
<v Speaker 2>weird ship. It was very strange. But are you.

478
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:31.960
<v Speaker 7>Talking about the one cult leader's daughter, they manuel.

479
00:27:33.599 --> 00:27:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh my god. That is by the way, they

480
00:27:37.559 --> 00:27:39.960
<v Speaker 2>claim that there was a false prophet of one of

481
00:27:40.000 --> 00:27:43.759
<v Speaker 2>the one of the other members had had a had

482
00:27:43.759 --> 00:27:48.079
<v Speaker 2>a child and they were practicing this this insane cosmic

483
00:27:48.160 --> 00:27:50.680
<v Speaker 2>coupling is what they called it, right, And so they

484
00:27:50.720 --> 00:27:53.359
<v Speaker 2>would just like, no, you're no longer married, you're going

485
00:27:53.440 --> 00:27:56.119
<v Speaker 2>to marry this person, and you're going to have a

486
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.440
<v Speaker 2>child with this person, and uh yeah. So it's also

487
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:01.200
<v Speaker 2>flames business jually.

488
00:28:01.039 --> 00:28:04.160
<v Speaker 6>That you remember from my.

489
00:28:06.319 --> 00:28:07.079
<v Speaker 5>The same ship.

490
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:10.559
<v Speaker 6>Twin Flames Poltish.

491
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:14.079
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, exactly what does it take? You just outline the

492
00:28:14.279 --> 00:28:18.359
<v Speaker 8>the orchestration and structure of this twin flames cold too

493
00:28:18.359 --> 00:28:19.279
<v Speaker 8>as they're describing it.

494
00:28:19.440 --> 00:28:21.319
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, they took it, took it a piece off of

495
00:28:21.359 --> 00:28:21.839
<v Speaker 5>these people.

496
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.119
<v Speaker 3>If anybody wants to look at the Valow case, it's

497
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:27.039
<v Speaker 3>also it's like it's the same thing.

498
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:30.680
<v Speaker 8>Interesting, That's what I'm saying a lot of times, I

499
00:28:30.680 --> 00:28:32.559
<v Speaker 8>think these are extensions of the same network. They just

500
00:28:32.599 --> 00:28:34.960
<v Speaker 8>you know, it's an egotistical driven, you know, environment where

501
00:28:34.960 --> 00:28:37.759
<v Speaker 8>there's m right.

502
00:28:38.799 --> 00:28:42.640
<v Speaker 5>Into these Maybe they try to produce these people themselves

503
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:44.200
<v Speaker 5>because they're easy to manipulate.

504
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:45.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh, what's that?

505
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:48.759
<v Speaker 5>Maybe they try to produce these people themselves because they're

506
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:51.240
<v Speaker 5>easy to manipulate me, Like, i mean, look at the Misians.

507
00:28:51.400 --> 00:28:53.480
<v Speaker 5>Look at those people. They're all like fucking thinking this

508
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:54.480
<v Speaker 5>and that or something else.

509
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:58.519
<v Speaker 8>And I'm working on this right now. What you're saying

510
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:00.640
<v Speaker 8>right now, I have no doubt there is something too,

511
00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:04.119
<v Speaker 8>because I'm quite confident Zizzion's father was a hippie out

512
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:08.440
<v Speaker 8>of a commune in California, Right yeah, I'm like this

513
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:12.880
<v Speaker 8>close to confirming that, right, Yeah, the weird, the weird

514
00:29:12.880 --> 00:29:15.960
<v Speaker 8>AI professor Daddy's got up their University Alaska Fairbanks. And

515
00:29:16.039 --> 00:29:19.359
<v Speaker 8>you know, I'm not diminishing the folks at University Alaska Fairbanks.

516
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:23.200
<v Speaker 8>You know two very creepy, creepy professors at the University

517
00:29:23.240 --> 00:29:25.480
<v Speaker 8>Alaska Fairbanks, one of which is a Satanist, probably the

518
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:26.039
<v Speaker 8>only one probably.

519
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:29.880
<v Speaker 3>And you always want to look at the people that

520
00:29:30.119 --> 00:29:33.480
<v Speaker 3>are taking care of these people, like Rockefeller, like Hughes.

521
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:37.400
<v Speaker 8>They're Mormon's usually generational, right, So I'm assuming the zipthorn

522
00:29:37.480 --> 00:29:39.960
<v Speaker 8>got born into it right, just like all these Mormon

523
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:41.079
<v Speaker 8>families get born into it, right.

524
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:43.880
<v Speaker 3>Honey, Yep, yep, it's all the same thing. They just

525
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:46.839
<v Speaker 3>hit it. They hit it when I'm studying Onasas and

526
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:48.920
<v Speaker 3>he's going to come up. I'm sure I'll let Austin

527
00:29:49.359 --> 00:29:52.160
<v Speaker 3>continue on. But Onasas pops up in the middle of

528
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.400
<v Speaker 3>all of this. Wow, that's why I said it everything.

529
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not shocked at all.

530
00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:03.799
<v Speaker 2>I know that even the in total I believe it

531
00:30:03.839 --> 00:30:07.279
<v Speaker 2>was seventy seven, which is a cult numerology in general, right,

532
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:10.400
<v Speaker 2>as far as the total number of deaths, and then

533
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:14.400
<v Speaker 2>the fifty four in Charleroi that was entirely based on

534
00:30:14.519 --> 00:30:20.119
<v Speaker 2>the obviously what was I think it's important to realize

535
00:30:20.160 --> 00:30:24.119
<v Speaker 2>that Jacques Brier and all these interesting connections to clearly

536
00:30:24.160 --> 00:30:28.680
<v Speaker 2>the thirteen ten fifty four Knights, right, who had basically

537
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:34.119
<v Speaker 2>there was this arrest that happened in mass right King

538
00:30:34.319 --> 00:30:36.759
<v Speaker 2>what was it, King Philip the fourth I believe of France,

539
00:30:37.319 --> 00:30:42.440
<v Speaker 2>and essentially there was the Knights Templar had inspired all

540
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:46.279
<v Speaker 2>of this. These European rulers were essentially kind of cracking

541
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:48.799
<v Speaker 2>down on the Knights Templar at this time, right, and

542
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:53.680
<v Speaker 2>they basically martyred these fifty four Knights, and so then

543
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:57.519
<v Speaker 2>I guess four years after this happened where they're burned

544
00:30:57.559 --> 00:31:01.839
<v Speaker 2>alive at the stake right in thirteen ten, it turns

545
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:04.880
<v Speaker 2>out that the Grand Master of the Order and provincial

546
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:09.680
<v Speaker 2>leader was also burned alive, right, And so those fires

547
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.480
<v Speaker 2>set or attempted by Solar Temple members during all the

548
00:31:12.559 --> 00:31:16.319
<v Speaker 2>murder suicide incidents seemed to have been directly inspired by

549
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:19.240
<v Speaker 2>the fiery deaths of the original Templars, which makes a

550
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:21.920
<v Speaker 2>lot of sense as far as like at the very least,

551
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:26.920
<v Speaker 2>the what they were attempting to stage this as far

552
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>as the framework of the narrative because in my mind,

553
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:32.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't believe that. Now we can get into the

554
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.079
<v Speaker 2>details of how the bodies were discovered and like the

555
00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:38.799
<v Speaker 2>actual shot, you know, you can clearly see that many

556
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:42.640
<v Speaker 2>of them, most of them were obviously murdered, right, and

557
00:31:43.039 --> 00:31:48.000
<v Speaker 2>others were potentially forced at gunpoint to just drink the poison, right,

558
00:31:48.119 --> 00:31:52.039
<v Speaker 2>is essentially what had happened, And then their bodies were

559
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:56.359
<v Speaker 2>strategically arranged. They didn't fall like that in these geometric patterns.

560
00:31:56.559 --> 00:31:59.960
<v Speaker 2>It clearly shows that in their symbolic and nature is

561
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:03.240
<v Speaker 2>well right with the and and and and and they

562
00:32:03.279 --> 00:32:05.880
<v Speaker 2>were in what hideaways as well when they were discovered

563
00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:08.720
<v Speaker 2>in this red room that had like a pentagram on

564
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:12.119
<v Speaker 2>the floor under an altar, which is just fascinating stuff,

565
00:32:12.119 --> 00:32:16.119
<v Speaker 2>but I don't know that. And but beyond that, you

566
00:32:16.200 --> 00:32:21.799
<v Speaker 2>have the sophisticated displays of holographic special effects, which one

567
00:32:21.799 --> 00:32:25.319
<v Speaker 2>of the the members was an expert and and apparently

568
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:28.400
<v Speaker 2>had a Hollywood background in special effects and was providing

569
00:32:28.440 --> 00:32:34.799
<v Speaker 2>these these uh and these displays right during their occult

570
00:32:34.920 --> 00:32:38.000
<v Speaker 2>ritual performances. Essentially is what was happening where they would

571
00:32:38.039 --> 00:32:41.799
<v Speaker 2>meet with the ascended masters. Okay, and the ascended masters

572
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>would would come into it was basically Tupac holograms, right,

573
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:49.279
<v Speaker 2>but like the way before it's time, you know, it

574
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:53.519
<v Speaker 2>just it's pretty incredible stuff, honestly. And that I believe

575
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:56.480
<v Speaker 2>that was Michelle Tabachnik, who who was this seal special

576
00:32:56.480 --> 00:33:00.559
<v Speaker 2>effects operator who inevitably left the group. He fled the group,

577
00:33:00.599 --> 00:33:04.000
<v Speaker 2>and and and I believe he was actually the one

578
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:06.880
<v Speaker 2>who birthed the child who was believed to have been

579
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:09.599
<v Speaker 2>h and they named they made the mistake of naming

580
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:13.960
<v Speaker 2>their child Emmanuel as well. And that was allegedly fulfilling

581
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:18.119
<v Speaker 2>the prophecy of this solar god king. And so at

582
00:33:18.200 --> 00:33:23.799
<v Speaker 2>least it was it was clearly it was disrupting the current,

583
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:27.359
<v Speaker 2>uh what what Joseph de Maambro was attempting to pursue

584
00:33:27.359 --> 00:33:29.759
<v Speaker 2>in terms of of this prophecy of the solar god

585
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.480
<v Speaker 2>king with his own child which he had with this

586
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:35.960
<v Speaker 2>drug addicted woman who was you know, basically kind of

587
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:40.000
<v Speaker 2>entirely conned into having a you know, a sexual experience

588
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:42.480
<v Speaker 2>with Joseph de Maambro and birthing a child for for

589
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:46.680
<v Speaker 2>this very purpose. And and so whenever this took place,

590
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:50.799
<v Speaker 2>Michelle Tabagnique takes this uh, his wife and his kid,

591
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:54.839
<v Speaker 2>and and they leave the group. And and then just before,

592
00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:59.039
<v Speaker 2>just before all these murders take place, a group of

593
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:04.880
<v Speaker 2>Solarts members go to Michelle Tabacnik's house and brutally murder

594
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.599
<v Speaker 2>all three of them, the mother, the father, and the

595
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:12.599
<v Speaker 2>child and I and made made a legitimate example out

596
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:15.760
<v Speaker 2>of the child as far as the brutal slang of

597
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:20.079
<v Speaker 2>that particular individual. And I think that is due to

598
00:34:20.159 --> 00:34:25.280
<v Speaker 2>the fact of the disruption of the potential prophecy, which

599
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:28.400
<v Speaker 2>was very interesting at the very least, you can tell

600
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:33.239
<v Speaker 2>that there was for sure, you know, a lot of

601
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:36.639
<v Speaker 2>politics playing out in terms of the leadership involved, because

602
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:39.239
<v Speaker 2>you had you had members like these were not just

603
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.719
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's crazy to me, because you had they

604
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.320
<v Speaker 2>weren't just recruiting anyone, you know what I mean, Like

605
00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:50.000
<v Speaker 2>you had very wealthy individual members. You had like like

606
00:34:50.519 --> 00:34:54.920
<v Speaker 2>one guy owned this he was like a watchmaker. And

607
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:59.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm talking very wealthy, right, And essentially Joseph

608
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:06.679
<v Speaker 2>deman bro and Luke Jorra both had had basically convinced

609
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:10.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of the members too very much in the

610
00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:13.000
<v Speaker 2>in the fashion of of Jim Jones, in a way

611
00:35:13.199 --> 00:35:17.599
<v Speaker 2>to sign much of their property and and just right

612
00:35:18.920 --> 00:35:23.039
<v Speaker 2>and uh basically give power of attorney to to Joseph

613
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:29.719
<v Speaker 2>de Mambro, and and it was just help. Oh yeah, absolutely,

614
00:35:29.840 --> 00:35:34.360
<v Speaker 2>yeah they were and I mean Demambro himself, right, he

615
00:35:34.719 --> 00:35:37.559
<v Speaker 2>had sampled a variety of esseoteric groups that that by

616
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:39.239
<v Speaker 2>that time, right, including.

617
00:35:39.079 --> 00:35:42.360
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that's another thing. This was like multiple attempts by

618
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:42.760
<v Speaker 5>this point.

619
00:35:42.880 --> 00:35:45.960
<v Speaker 7>I think this was the third the third cult that

620
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:49.119
<v Speaker 7>he had started. There was one like Golden Temple or

621
00:35:49.159 --> 00:35:51.920
<v Speaker 7>like Golden Triangle or something like that.

622
00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:55.519
<v Speaker 9>Was the yeah, yeah, yeah.

623
00:35:56.880 --> 00:36:04.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, stupid, but yeah, you know, he definitely was affiliated

624
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.800
<v Speaker 2>with Amork as well, the ancient miscord or of the

625
00:36:07.960 --> 00:36:09.880
<v Speaker 2>Rosy Cross and rosy Crusis.

626
00:36:09.960 --> 00:36:16.719
<v Speaker 3>And yeah, so it both to Cagliostro, which is Martinists,

627
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:18.079
<v Speaker 3>and nobody brings that up.

628
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:20.199
<v Speaker 9>I heard you talk about it, though.

629
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:25.000
<v Speaker 2>It's fascinating. I just like, it's really like, I don't know,

630
00:36:25.039 --> 00:36:27.559
<v Speaker 2>there's so many layers to this story, you know what

631
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.599
<v Speaker 2>I mean. It's just like it's so it's kind of difficult.

632
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I could I didn't even realize that there was Joseph

633
00:36:33.079 --> 00:36:35.800
<v Speaker 2>de Maambro had an Israel connection, by the way, which

634
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:39.239
<v Speaker 2>which blew me away and I thought it was kind

635
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:43.280
<v Speaker 2>of hilarious because in like six, nineteen sixty six, he

636
00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:46.880
<v Speaker 2>successfully swindles and defrauds this the co owner of this

637
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:51.760
<v Speaker 2>jewelry store. All right, this jewelry business name. It was

638
00:36:51.800 --> 00:36:56.079
<v Speaker 2>a technician by the name of Albert born boy Run.

639
00:36:56.840 --> 00:36:59.679
<v Speaker 2>I don't know exactly how to pronounce it, but demambro.

640
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:03.280
<v Speaker 2>He then just vanishes right with all the company's valuable

641
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:07.199
<v Speaker 2>assets and moves his entire family to Tel Aviv, claiming

642
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:11.000
<v Speaker 2>that his child being born in Israel would grant it

643
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:16.000
<v Speaker 2>an exceptional destiny. And he later claimed to members of

644
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:18.760
<v Speaker 2>the Ots that the reason he had actually been in

645
00:37:18.880 --> 00:37:21.199
<v Speaker 2>Israel was that he had been asked by the Chief

646
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:24.960
<v Speaker 2>Rabbi to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem for pay, and

647
00:37:25.039 --> 00:37:28.800
<v Speaker 2>he claims he refused payment as he was not interested

648
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:32.320
<v Speaker 2>in money, and then moved back to France. By its

649
00:37:32.320 --> 00:37:36.519
<v Speaker 2>seventy two. But it's a crazy you know, why would he.

650
00:37:36.599 --> 00:37:39.960
<v Speaker 8>See philanthropists, you know what I mean, right right, just

651
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:41.719
<v Speaker 8>how they're doing the Lord's work.

652
00:37:42.280 --> 00:37:43.519
<v Speaker 9>Right right, right, right right.

653
00:37:43.599 --> 00:37:48.079
<v Speaker 2>But he was impersonating a psychiatrist at times. He was

654
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:53.159
<v Speaker 2>a sentenced in seventy two, I believe six months. Yeah,

655
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:56.519
<v Speaker 2>in prison for breaching patient trust firsinating a psychiatrist.

656
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.519
<v Speaker 8>I mean he had no education or training in such

657
00:37:58.519 --> 00:37:59.800
<v Speaker 8>a matter with compt degrees.

658
00:38:00.760 --> 00:38:02.960
<v Speaker 2>Yep, I'm telling you, I see what Edward.

659
00:38:02.719 --> 00:38:06.400
<v Speaker 8>When Edwards did it for decades across America printed psychiatry

660
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:08.199
<v Speaker 8>degrees and fake to be a psychiatrist.

661
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:09.719
<v Speaker 2>That's amazing.

662
00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:13.840
<v Speaker 6>Like doctor Phil Right, I got creepy.

663
00:38:15.079 --> 00:38:18.440
<v Speaker 2>He's probably murdered, dozens, probably look at his.

664
00:38:18.440 --> 00:38:20.280
<v Speaker 6>Bald head and his stupid face.

665
00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:22.960
<v Speaker 8>Of course, living room. Have I have I taken on

666
00:38:22.960 --> 00:38:24.400
<v Speaker 8>a tour of his home? If not, we'll do that

667
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:26.440
<v Speaker 8>in the future, show Julie, because it's fucking creepy.

668
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:29.280
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, it's a little, a little weird.

669
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:34.280
<v Speaker 8>It's a nightmare warhouse like mirror fucking smoke show, fun

670
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.239
<v Speaker 8>house situation because like yeah, and his wife situation.

671
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.239
<v Speaker 6>His wife is I think a training. But that's besides

672
00:38:40.280 --> 00:38:40.679
<v Speaker 6>the point.

673
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Well that's I didn't know that. In fact, are you

674
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.039
<v Speaker 2>kidding me? Are you? Are you kidding me?

675
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:46.199
<v Speaker 6>I'm not kidding you.

676
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:49.800
<v Speaker 3>Just like Na Julian's dropping bombs, she's dropping tranny bombs.

677
00:38:51.360 --> 00:38:53.039
<v Speaker 6>I love to drop tranny bombs.

678
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:56.519
<v Speaker 7>But what are the odds that in the same year, right,

679
00:38:56.639 --> 00:39:01.440
<v Speaker 7>nineteen ninety four, Heaven's Gate and the Order of the

680
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:05.320
<v Speaker 7>Solar Temple go down, like I want to say, a

681
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:09.440
<v Speaker 7>couple months apart from each other, Like, what are the fucking.

682
00:39:09.079 --> 00:39:11.079
<v Speaker 6>Odds of that too? That's all I ever said. I

683
00:39:11.159 --> 00:39:11.760
<v Speaker 6>write me too.

684
00:39:12.119 --> 00:39:15.440
<v Speaker 7>Heaven's Kate and the Order of the Solar Temple went

685
00:39:15.760 --> 00:39:18.679
<v Speaker 7>ninety right, no, ninety four, both of them.

686
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:24.039
<v Speaker 3>Well in the tape that mentions yeah, yeah, uh no ninety.

687
00:39:24.239 --> 00:39:26.360
<v Speaker 8>Am I get my nineties? Am I that bigd and

688
00:39:26.440 --> 00:39:28.119
<v Speaker 8>getting nineties mixed up? I thought they were later in

689
00:39:28.159 --> 00:39:28.639
<v Speaker 8>the nineties.

690
00:39:28.760 --> 00:39:31.199
<v Speaker 5>Well, ohts also had like I think something in ninety

691
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.719
<v Speaker 5>five and then in ninety seven, I think there's actually.

692
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:37.480
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, because it was Brown Something and Ron Goldman were

693
00:39:37.559 --> 00:39:40.199
<v Speaker 8>murdered on this date, well, technically in the twelfth, ten

694
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:42.960
<v Speaker 8>thirty two PM, but on this date nineteen ninety four.

695
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:46.960
<v Speaker 6>What Friday the thirteenth or just this yere.

696
00:39:47.679 --> 00:39:49.559
<v Speaker 2>June twelve, thirteenth, nineteen ninety four.

697
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.800
<v Speaker 7>Well, you know, it is kind of interesting that the

698
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:57.079
<v Speaker 7>Order of the Solar Temple took so much influence from

699
00:39:57.199 --> 00:39:59.719
<v Speaker 7>the Night's Temple our end, we decided to record it

700
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:04.039
<v Speaker 7>on Friday the thirteenth, so maybe it was meant to be.

701
00:40:04.719 --> 00:40:05.039
<v Speaker 2>I didn't.

702
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:06.880
<v Speaker 8>I didn't want to point that out, Julia. I didn't

703
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:08.440
<v Speaker 8>want to. I didn't want to get that creepy with it.

704
00:40:08.440 --> 00:40:09.840
<v Speaker 8>But if I may, I made this for quick and

705
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:10.440
<v Speaker 8>I don't.

706
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:11.280
<v Speaker 2>I didn't.

707
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:12.960
<v Speaker 8>I didn't need to disagree because I just have to

708
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:15.239
<v Speaker 8>get my ancient alien cargo cult fax in order. So

709
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:17.559
<v Speaker 8>it was it was ninety seven when they decided to

710
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:21.159
<v Speaker 8>catch that flight on Hailey's comment May seven.

711
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:23.000
<v Speaker 5>So that was the one in Quebec in nineteen ninety

712
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:24.360
<v Speaker 5>seven was probably around the same time.

713
00:40:24.280 --> 00:40:26.920
<v Speaker 8>Dude, I had I had my I had my purple

714
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:29.039
<v Speaker 8>you know robe and Nike's fact.

715
00:40:29.039 --> 00:40:30.360
<v Speaker 2>I just forgot to get that ride, you know what

716
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:30.679
<v Speaker 2>I mean?

717
00:40:30.760 --> 00:40:34.519
<v Speaker 7>So wait, So Solar Turtle was ninety four and then

718
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:37.199
<v Speaker 7>and then Heaven's Gate was ninety seven.

719
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:41.639
<v Speaker 2>Yes, ma'am, are you sure positive?

720
00:40:42.480 --> 00:40:43.039
<v Speaker 7>All right?

721
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:46.000
<v Speaker 6>Well, all let's hide this time mark.

722
00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:51.280
<v Speaker 8>March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven is when isn't it was

723
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.960
<v Speaker 8>that when they first you know, that was the Phoenix Light. Well,

724
00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:56.000
<v Speaker 8>I'm just saying that there's some you know, other UFO

725
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:58.880
<v Speaker 8>sus that's the Phoenix Lights. And then March nineteenth and

726
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:01.920
<v Speaker 8>twentieth is when they did the final exit video and

727
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:04.519
<v Speaker 8>then marks twenty second through twenty third.

728
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:06.639
<v Speaker 2>Was there there was phases of the suicides.

729
00:41:07.119 --> 00:41:10.119
<v Speaker 7>Well, we could at least say that they're happening around

730
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:12.000
<v Speaker 7>the same era functioning.

731
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think there's a difference. I think there's there's Honestly,

732
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:20.400
<v Speaker 2>I think that many of these cults were being used

733
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:26.639
<v Speaker 2>in ther the Iran contra enterprise that was being conducted,

734
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:29.639
<v Speaker 2>like not only drug trafficking, but you know, you you

735
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:33.800
<v Speaker 2>had they were testing esoteric weapons at at the cabs

736
00:41:33.840 --> 00:41:36.360
<v Speaker 2>on Indian Reservation, which just blew me away, like they

737
00:41:36.360 --> 00:41:40.159
<v Speaker 2>were just utilizing uh you know, uh basically the Indian

738
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:43.960
<v Speaker 2>Reservation for this purpose. But they also were like flying

739
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:48.599
<v Speaker 2>in Mexican nationals to cook methamphetamines on the reservation. And yeah,

740
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:50.920
<v Speaker 2>it was like fascinating stuff. I couldn't even believe that

741
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:51.679
<v Speaker 2>this was all happened.

742
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:55.119
<v Speaker 8>Who was a major figure in that drug operation the

743
00:41:55.119 --> 00:42:00.679
<v Speaker 8>promise software, reprogramming, et cetera. There, Michael Riccona, Yeah, man, yeah, yeah,

744
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:01.159
<v Speaker 8>I know.

745
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:02.400
<v Speaker 2>Who connects to all these things.

746
00:42:02.440 --> 00:42:04.480
<v Speaker 8>Ted He was Ted Gunerson's co and tel Pro agent

747
00:42:04.719 --> 00:42:07.679
<v Speaker 8>in the Hay and Ashbury looking after Charles Manson. In

748
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:12.079
<v Speaker 8>the process and go figure, there's there he is June fifteenth,

749
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:16.679
<v Speaker 8>nineteen sixty seven performance including the Grateful Dead on stage.

750
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:20.920
<v Speaker 8>So that's that's Tavistock right there, because yeah, the Tavistock, right,

751
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:23.679
<v Speaker 8>And then you got and then you got Michael Riconoshudo

752
00:42:23.760 --> 00:42:25.400
<v Speaker 8>as a technical or is the stage hand, and you

753
00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:28.880
<v Speaker 8>got Charles Manson as a technical advisor technical hand on

754
00:42:28.920 --> 00:42:31.800
<v Speaker 8>the performance all in one performance.

755
00:42:32.360 --> 00:42:37.960
<v Speaker 2>You know in Shirie, Switzerland, where where the first the

756
00:42:38.079 --> 00:42:41.559
<v Speaker 2>twenty three corpses were first found, like as far as

757
00:42:41.599 --> 00:42:47.599
<v Speaker 2>this this burntout farm, that was all basically you had

758
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:50.760
<v Speaker 2>like I think only two hundred and seventy people even

759
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:54.039
<v Speaker 2>lived in this area, right, so it was like barely

760
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:59.760
<v Speaker 2>anyone even lived in this area. But essentially there was

761
00:42:59.840 --> 00:43:05.039
<v Speaker 2>this was like Lagrange Solvent is hell pronounced I believe

762
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:09.840
<v Speaker 2>south of Sherry, Switzerland. Thank you. I actually like looked

763
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:13.519
<v Speaker 2>up these pronunciations whenever I did my my episode because

764
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:16.400
<v Speaker 2>I tried to get it as as accurate as possible

765
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:19.519
<v Speaker 2>without being basically a huge douchebag, you know.

766
00:43:20.960 --> 00:43:24.480
<v Speaker 6>But I translated myself as well.

767
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know, right, but uh but what what struck

768
00:43:32.639 --> 00:43:38.079
<v Speaker 2>me was this insane investigation after the police rest warrants

769
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:40.880
<v Speaker 2>were issued for Luke Jerray and Joseph de Membro after

770
00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:43.360
<v Speaker 2>the first bodies were found, because they believed at the time,

771
00:43:43.440 --> 00:43:47.239
<v Speaker 2>investigators instantly thought, okay, this clearly connects back to the

772
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:50.280
<v Speaker 2>leaders of this cult group, because you know, they didn't

773
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:54.039
<v Speaker 2>discover the leaders and on the site was allegedly the case,

774
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:56.599
<v Speaker 2>right and so obviously.

775
00:43:58.119 --> 00:44:01.880
<v Speaker 5>Interested And I was just just the first incident you

776
00:44:01.920 --> 00:44:02.559
<v Speaker 5>were talking.

777
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:08.199
<v Speaker 3>Yes, exactly that I did twenty third correct, Yeah, birthday

778
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:09.440
<v Speaker 3>that screwed up.

779
00:44:09.599 --> 00:44:13.239
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that is interesting.

780
00:44:14.079 --> 00:44:17.239
<v Speaker 5>That is something I was screwing up before and I

781
00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:19.159
<v Speaker 5>was getting confused. And this is even something that happened

782
00:44:19.159 --> 00:44:20.800
<v Speaker 5>in the first episode that we never put out. I

783
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:22.800
<v Speaker 5>think there's actually three dates, ninety four, ninety five, and

784
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:26.079
<v Speaker 5>ninety seven, So yeah, there's actually I think ninety four

785
00:44:26.199 --> 00:44:27.800
<v Speaker 5>was like the big one with like forty eight people

786
00:44:27.920 --> 00:44:30.880
<v Speaker 5>from Yeah, there's like I wanted to make sure that

787
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:32.880
<v Speaker 5>was the one because I was even telling Julia ninety five,

788
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:36.639
<v Speaker 5>but it's ninety four, ninety five, and ninety seven, Yes,

789
00:44:36.760 --> 00:44:37.480
<v Speaker 5>fucking exactly.

790
00:44:38.440 --> 00:44:41.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think this is you know, tying off loose sins.

791
00:44:41.599 --> 00:44:45.280
<v Speaker 2>You have the the Canadian Operation tied to the OTS

792
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:48.440
<v Speaker 2>that was very much involved with Another reason why I

793
00:44:48.480 --> 00:44:51.320
<v Speaker 2>thought it was so crazy, because you had Canadian police

794
00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:57.079
<v Speaker 2>confirming that their investigation into a money laundering operation ran

795
00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:01.039
<v Speaker 2>by members of the cult the OTS. There was a

796
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:04.079
<v Speaker 2>Radio Canada report right that the French service of the

797
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:08.679
<v Speaker 2>Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. Basically they say that jere and Demanbro

798
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:13.159
<v Speaker 2>ran an elaborate arms dealing network which delivered weapons to

799
00:45:13.199 --> 00:45:18.760
<v Speaker 2>the international black market, and the network said that millions

800
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:21.440
<v Speaker 2>of dollars in profits were laundered through the Royal Bank

801
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:25.639
<v Speaker 2>of Canada Limited and the infamous CIA Front Bank of

802
00:45:25.679 --> 00:45:30.480
<v Speaker 2>Credit and Commerce branch offices in Ottawa BCCI. I was

803
00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:33.039
<v Speaker 2>just like, holy oh, yes, sir.

804
00:45:33.079 --> 00:45:35.599
<v Speaker 8>And on that note, relative to all these other matters

805
00:45:35.599 --> 00:45:37.719
<v Speaker 8>and pat On and all this I ran counter stuff.

806
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:42.119
<v Speaker 8>There's FBI documents that they're redacted, but in that pack

807
00:45:42.159 --> 00:45:44.519
<v Speaker 8>on Operation I whenever they're not on my show and

808
00:45:44.599 --> 00:45:47.920
<v Speaker 8>operation in GCD Live that I would assert is the

809
00:45:47.960 --> 00:45:51.360
<v Speaker 8>formation of BCCI and the bank being described in the Bahamas.

810
00:45:51.400 --> 00:45:54.000
<v Speaker 8>In these documents it is redacted. However, I fill in

811
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:55.559
<v Speaker 8>the blank's mad lib style and the only thing that

812
00:45:55.599 --> 00:45:56.960
<v Speaker 8>makes sense is it's BCCI.

813
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Right, makes sense, man, But I mean.

814
00:46:01.960 --> 00:46:04.639
<v Speaker 8>I also think I also think the redacted field office

815
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.320
<v Speaker 8>and there is in the Indianapolis Field Office, because all

816
00:46:07.400 --> 00:46:12.679
<v Speaker 8>of this is derivative from Elvis Presley's investigation, Operation Fountain Pen. Wow,

817
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:18.079
<v Speaker 8>Operation Fountain Pen. That sounds crazy, I agree, But Operation

818
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:21.199
<v Speaker 8>founda Pen. Uh, It's not Luoney Tuns. Despite the sounding

819
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:25.159
<v Speaker 8>Lundy tunes. Operation founta Pen was the largest, multi jurisdictional UH,

820
00:46:25.559 --> 00:46:30.760
<v Speaker 8>longest running FBI investigation and spawned the most spawned the

821
00:46:30.840 --> 00:46:34.079
<v Speaker 8>most other investigations. So the umbrella networks spawned from Operation

822
00:46:34.159 --> 00:46:37.119
<v Speaker 8>Fountain Pen is the largest and FBI history, I asserted,

823
00:46:37.159 --> 00:46:39.440
<v Speaker 8>still going on today. I assert that's the reason why

824
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:42.840
<v Speaker 8>they've redacted one field office out of those pat con documents,

825
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:45.360
<v Speaker 8>and that's the FBI. Well, I think it's actually too,

826
00:46:45.360 --> 00:46:47.000
<v Speaker 8>but I think one of those is the Indianapolis Field

827
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:47.679
<v Speaker 8>Office officer.

828
00:46:49.039 --> 00:46:52.559
<v Speaker 6>You mean, Elvis isn't just a great guy like we believe.

829
00:46:53.119 --> 00:46:56.119
<v Speaker 8>So the two years preceding his death, he had multiple

830
00:46:56.239 --> 00:46:59.199
<v Speaker 8>FBI agents on his tour and on his on his crew,

831
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:03.480
<v Speaker 8>and he himself was a undercoverage for the FBI. And

832
00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:05.719
<v Speaker 8>the day after he died, the folks that they were

833
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:08.119
<v Speaker 8>investigating in this operation. Found kind of got and dieted

834
00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:11.760
<v Speaker 8>the day after he died. Wow, you tell me, Julia,

835
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:12.320
<v Speaker 8>you tell me.

836
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.440
<v Speaker 7>Well, of course, you know, I think he's a fucking asshole,

837
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:17.519
<v Speaker 7>But I did want to say something.

838
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:19.360
<v Speaker 8>Really, I think he was part of the Manson family

839
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:21.480
<v Speaker 8>in the process, but that's a different story altogether.

840
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:23.840
<v Speaker 6>He probably was.

841
00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:26.800
<v Speaker 8>I think I'm joking, but you know, his commercial guide

842
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:29.400
<v Speaker 8>was was J. C. Brings hair Salon, a drug traveling

843
00:47:29.440 --> 00:47:31.920
<v Speaker 8>partner that was Elvis's sidekicking personal spiritual guid.

844
00:47:32.320 --> 00:47:36.960
<v Speaker 7>So never I would never think you would be joking

845
00:47:37.000 --> 00:47:38.199
<v Speaker 7>about something socid.

846
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:40.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well I joked about a lot of things. But

847
00:47:40.519 --> 00:47:41.800
<v Speaker 2>the things I don't joke about is that.

848
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:44.159
<v Speaker 8>And speaking of serious, that seems to be the undergoing

849
00:47:44.199 --> 00:47:45.000
<v Speaker 8>trend with all these.

850
00:47:44.880 --> 00:47:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Cults and serious. They always have those two aspects. Serious.

851
00:47:51.559 --> 00:47:54.559
<v Speaker 7>This is another one of those serious cults. But I

852
00:47:54.599 --> 00:48:00.719
<v Speaker 7>wanted to just say really quickly, this first incident that

853
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:03.599
<v Speaker 7>you're talking about, I don't remember. I think it was

854
00:48:03.679 --> 00:48:09.480
<v Speaker 7>forty four bodies were found or something in that range

855
00:48:09.960 --> 00:48:12.920
<v Speaker 7>with this first one, but they the way that they

856
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.599
<v Speaker 7>were found in these underground networks of like chalets, and

857
00:48:16.639 --> 00:48:21.440
<v Speaker 7>they had like these timed explosives that went off and

858
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:26.440
<v Speaker 7>set all these underground chalets ablaze pretty much. But my

859
00:48:26.639 --> 00:48:30.599
<v Speaker 7>question is maybe you can answer this because it's something

860
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:31.400
<v Speaker 7>that stood out.

861
00:48:31.239 --> 00:48:33.079
<v Speaker 6>To me when I was researching it.

862
00:48:32.880 --> 00:48:36.519
<v Speaker 7>Is, first off, how did they have access to these

863
00:48:36.599 --> 00:48:39.679
<v Speaker 7>underground chalets? How did they know that they were there?

864
00:48:40.239 --> 00:48:42.400
<v Speaker 7>Why are they under there? Why did they even have

865
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:45.239
<v Speaker 7>access to be under there to be pulled. It's like

866
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:47.239
<v Speaker 7>you would have to have a certain amount of time

867
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:51.360
<v Speaker 7>to get these timed explosives set up, get everybody down there,

868
00:48:51.559 --> 00:48:55.840
<v Speaker 7>start helping people quote unquote kill themselves or just killing

869
00:48:55.880 --> 00:48:58.480
<v Speaker 7>them or just whatever the fuck they were doing down there.

870
00:48:58.639 --> 00:48:59.199
<v Speaker 6>It's like you.

871
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:03.880
<v Speaker 7>Need time, preparation, planning. There's so much that went into it.

872
00:49:03.920 --> 00:49:06.599
<v Speaker 7>And it's like nobody saw these assholes going down there,

873
00:49:06.920 --> 00:49:10.400
<v Speaker 7>Like nobody saw them leading the brigade of like fifty

874
00:49:10.480 --> 00:49:13.519
<v Speaker 7>fucking people in these underground tunnels, Like what is going

875
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:14.039
<v Speaker 7>on here?

876
00:49:14.400 --> 00:49:17.079
<v Speaker 6>That always stood out to me as as weird.

877
00:49:16.840 --> 00:49:19.000
<v Speaker 5>In my opinion, Even to control that many people, I mean,

878
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:20.719
<v Speaker 5>you may not need that many people, but you canna

879
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:23.239
<v Speaker 5>need a handful of people. I mean, maybe two guys,

880
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:25.639
<v Speaker 5>two guys with a gun each controlled all those people possibly,

881
00:49:25.679 --> 00:49:29.440
<v Speaker 5>but people actually pulling the strings to have that happened.

882
00:49:29.199 --> 00:49:36.000
<v Speaker 7>To everything going underground nothing suspicious here, Like what's like,

883
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:38.639
<v Speaker 7>what actually the fuck is going on? You know what I.

884
00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:44.000
<v Speaker 8>Mean, they can definitely use guns, but let's think about hypnosis.

885
00:49:44.000 --> 00:49:46.440
<v Speaker 8>I can also you know, make people a little bit

886
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:48.480
<v Speaker 8>more complied. I mean, I'm not saying guns aren't used.

887
00:49:48.480 --> 00:49:51.079
<v Speaker 8>I'm just saying you have you need fewer guns.

888
00:49:51.440 --> 00:49:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, I know that There's definitely been many allegations

889
00:49:57.320 --> 00:49:59.760
<v Speaker 2>of police protection. And the fact of the matter was

890
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:02.320
<v Speaker 2>that that they had a task force that was involved

891
00:50:02.320 --> 00:50:06.519
<v Speaker 2>that was instantly compromised and they they were we had

892
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:10.119
<v Speaker 2>investigators who were claiming that they were forced to essentially,

893
00:50:10.639 --> 00:50:15.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, at least stop pursuing all and any leads

894
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:21.000
<v Speaker 2>into as far as like actual military presence on the site,

895
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.639
<v Speaker 2>because that was The other claim is that essentially that

896
00:50:24.880 --> 00:50:28.480
<v Speaker 2>all of this was rigged to uh to destroy evidence.

897
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:31.679
<v Speaker 2>And the reason being is that not all the power

898
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:35.679
<v Speaker 2>technic devices went off and so this didn't entirely destroy

899
00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:38.119
<v Speaker 2>the remaining evidence and the and the and the bodies

900
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:40.679
<v Speaker 2>were supposed to be unidentifiable for the most part, and

901
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:42.800
<v Speaker 2>there were you know, there weren't supposed to be the

902
00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:45.719
<v Speaker 2>examples of like plastic bags over the heads of some

903
00:50:45.800 --> 00:50:48.320
<v Speaker 2>of the victims, and and and gunshot wounds to the

904
00:50:48.360 --> 00:50:51.840
<v Speaker 2>head and and things of that nature. It clearly. And

905
00:50:51.880 --> 00:50:55.039
<v Speaker 2>then also there was apparently there was a oh my god,

906
00:50:55.039 --> 00:50:58.440
<v Speaker 2>there was a there was a in Canada. In that case,

907
00:50:58.920 --> 00:51:02.119
<v Speaker 2>there there was a basically a proof of potentially a

908
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:08.599
<v Speaker 2>military what's it called what do they call their their

909
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:12.559
<v Speaker 2>fire Oh shit, I can't believe that. I'm forgetting the

910
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:18.239
<v Speaker 2>term for this, just the shit flamethrower, thank you, damn it.

911
00:51:18.559 --> 00:51:21.159
<v Speaker 2>I couldn't for some reason I couldn't remember. But yeah,

912
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:25.599
<v Speaker 2>that's so there's basically a military grade flamethrower that was

913
00:51:25.800 --> 00:51:30.480
<v Speaker 2>effectively through this this investigation that was conducted in Canada

914
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:36.480
<v Speaker 2>through relatives that basically concerned relatives had formed, uh, an

915
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:40.320
<v Speaker 2>investigation that was kind of, you know, attempting to make

916
00:51:40.360 --> 00:51:43.400
<v Speaker 2>sense of this because clearly the victims' families were questioning

917
00:51:43.480 --> 00:51:46.079
<v Speaker 2>this theory of collective suicide and they were not buying

918
00:51:46.119 --> 00:51:48.719
<v Speaker 2>it right in any way. And so you had this

919
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:52.079
<v Speaker 2>court trial of of one of the one of the

920
00:51:52.119 --> 00:51:55.800
<v Speaker 2>members of the ots, Michelle Tabacnique, because he was the

921
00:51:55.840 --> 00:51:59.159
<v Speaker 2>only one really left alive uh In in Canada, and

922
00:51:59.199 --> 00:52:01.239
<v Speaker 2>so they're like, we we have to have someone answer

923
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:05.440
<v Speaker 2>for this and uh, and so he's essentially put on

924
00:52:05.679 --> 00:52:08.159
<v Speaker 2>trial in a criminal court, and the families of the

925
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:11.840
<v Speaker 2>victims filed a civil action as well, right, and and

926
00:52:11.960 --> 00:52:15.960
<v Speaker 2>so they consulted all these various experts and and uh

927
00:52:16.199 --> 00:52:19.320
<v Speaker 2>essentially where we're going through these files and and the

928
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:25.000
<v Speaker 2>civil party basically identified all of these different inconsistencies in

929
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:30.000
<v Speaker 2>the investigation. And so it gets insane because they start

930
00:52:30.000 --> 00:52:35.480
<v Speaker 2>going into the essentially the organic environment surrounding the bodies

931
00:52:35.519 --> 00:52:38.119
<v Speaker 2>of the immolated victims which had gone right in this

932
00:52:38.400 --> 00:52:42.920
<v Speaker 2>which had allegedly set themselves ablaze in uh In Canada.

933
00:52:43.440 --> 00:52:46.039
<v Speaker 2>And it's crazy to me because you have these two

934
00:52:46.039 --> 00:52:49.599
<v Speaker 2>individuals who were members of one of the victims families

935
00:52:49.760 --> 00:52:55.480
<v Speaker 2>named Elaine Elaine Vornay son and brother of two of

936
00:52:55.519 --> 00:52:59.400
<v Speaker 2>the victims, who had been conducting a parallel private investigation

937
00:52:59.559 --> 00:53:04.039
<v Speaker 2>apparently since ninety five when the collective suicides took place,

938
00:53:04.119 --> 00:53:08.000
<v Speaker 2>right and so at least in records right in the

939
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:14.079
<v Speaker 2>records region, which apparently it looks like there was an

940
00:53:14.280 --> 00:53:18.719
<v Speaker 2>entire lack of cooperation in terms of right the refuse

941
00:53:18.840 --> 00:53:23.719
<v Speaker 2>to just refusing to investigate the possibility of murder basically

942
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:26.280
<v Speaker 2>at the official level. And so this is why you

943
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:30.320
<v Speaker 2>had the victims families themselves forced to make this separate,

944
00:53:31.119 --> 00:53:35.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, litigation as far as pursue this on their

945
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.239
<v Speaker 2>own in a way, right, because there's no this is

946
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:41.000
<v Speaker 2>a miscarriage of justice. Obviously, they don't want any real

947
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:45.639
<v Speaker 2>answers because they would prefer we just accept this at

948
00:53:45.639 --> 00:53:50.440
<v Speaker 2>face value mass revolutionary suicide. They've been entirely brainwashed. They

949
00:53:50.519 --> 00:53:53.920
<v Speaker 2>drank the kool aid, right, as they say, even though

950
00:53:54.440 --> 00:53:56.719
<v Speaker 2>we all know that was flavor rate in jonestown, but

951
00:53:56.760 --> 00:54:02.000
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't matter. So the point being that you you

952
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:07.360
<v Speaker 2>have this expert professor who commission was commissioned right to

953
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:10.920
<v Speaker 2>to study the these uh this crime scene, and he

954
00:54:11.000 --> 00:54:14.079
<v Speaker 2>says phosphorus was found at the crime scene and this

955
00:54:14.199 --> 00:54:18.679
<v Speaker 2>indicated the use of this military grade flame flamethrower, which

956
00:54:18.960 --> 00:54:23.440
<v Speaker 2>apparently uh in in this case implied that there had

957
00:54:23.480 --> 00:54:27.079
<v Speaker 2>been no suicide but a staged event obviously. And so

958
00:54:27.800 --> 00:54:30.760
<v Speaker 2>you have, you know a little bit more in terms

959
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:33.599
<v Speaker 2>in terms of because this is crazy as far as

960
00:54:34.199 --> 00:54:39.679
<v Speaker 2>the remains of these these bodies, right that that were found.

961
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:42.400
<v Speaker 2>It turns out that at the request of the family,

962
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:48.079
<v Speaker 2>they right they carry out to this they have essentially

963
00:54:48.159 --> 00:54:51.320
<v Speaker 2>they have like a new autopsies that are are attempted

964
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:55.440
<v Speaker 2>to to right be be uh just pursued and and

965
00:54:56.760 --> 00:55:00.840
<v Speaker 2>so it's just it's interesting because what they discover that Edith,

966
00:55:01.239 --> 00:55:05.159
<v Speaker 2>relatives of Edith and Patrick Varney, right, they ruled out

967
00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:09.639
<v Speaker 2>the idea of collective suicide, and they essentially said that

968
00:55:09.960 --> 00:55:14.719
<v Speaker 2>this land phase of the transit to Sirius was entirely ridiculous, right,

969
00:55:14.760 --> 00:55:18.039
<v Speaker 2>and that in no way where their mother was the

970
00:55:18.119 --> 00:55:20.800
<v Speaker 2>mother and son actually in any way kind of like

971
00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:24.599
<v Speaker 2>convinced that this was actually taking place, apparently that this

972
00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:30.119
<v Speaker 2>was just a false narrative that was apparently being presented

973
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:35.599
<v Speaker 2>to the public. Because basically this all, by the way,

974
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:39.840
<v Speaker 2>this transit to Sirius allegedly took place on the night

975
00:55:39.840 --> 00:55:43.079
<v Speaker 2>of December fifteenth in ninety five. I believe it was

976
00:55:43.119 --> 00:55:48.280
<v Speaker 2>like two separate you know, because I think essentially you

977
00:55:48.320 --> 00:55:52.239
<v Speaker 2>had a group who set one group ablaze and then

978
00:55:52.360 --> 00:55:55.559
<v Speaker 2>went into a barn and tried to convince their children

979
00:55:55.639 --> 00:55:58.079
<v Speaker 2>to set themselves on fire as well, and then killed

980
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:02.000
<v Speaker 2>themselves and the children killed. It's a strange story, but

981
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:06.320
<v Speaker 2>it gets it gets very interesting. But what they claim

982
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:11.639
<v Speaker 2>happened was that again considered this as this is such

983
00:56:11.679 --> 00:56:14.559
<v Speaker 2>a small area out in the forest, right where fourteen

984
00:56:14.599 --> 00:56:17.880
<v Speaker 2>of these victims, including this this mother and son, Edith

985
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:21.840
<v Speaker 2>and Patrick Varney, had allegedly taken this cocktail of sedatives

986
00:56:21.920 --> 00:56:27.199
<v Speaker 2>before they were deliberately shot several times by who they say, uh,

987
00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Andre fret Friedley Fried, I don't know how to pronounce it,

988
00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:36.199
<v Speaker 2>fri E d l I, who's a Swiss architect, and

989
00:56:36.320 --> 00:56:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Jean Luke larden Lardenshet, who's a French policeman. So these

990
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:44.159
<v Speaker 2>are the two individuals who've been named throughout the course

991
00:56:44.199 --> 00:56:48.159
<v Speaker 2>of this specific investigation that played out in the for

992
00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:52.239
<v Speaker 2>corpse case. And so the two men were alleged to

993
00:56:52.360 --> 00:56:56.760
<v Speaker 2>have then doused the bodies with gasoline, covered them with

994
00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:59.960
<v Speaker 2>branches before setting them on fire, and then they commit

995
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 2>suicide with a bullet in the mouth before falling into

996
00:57:02.760 --> 00:57:03.760
<v Speaker 2>the blaze themselves.

997
00:57:03.920 --> 00:57:08.440
<v Speaker 7>That was this is the second incident, right, Yes, exactly, Okay,

998
00:57:08.480 --> 00:57:10.920
<v Speaker 7>this is I was gonna say, I think this was

999
00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:14.679
<v Speaker 7>what I'd like a year later. Yeah, and there was

1000
00:57:14.760 --> 00:57:16.400
<v Speaker 7>fourteen of them, wasn't.

1001
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:18.440
<v Speaker 2>There fourteen exactly.

1002
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:19.360
<v Speaker 6>Okay, fourteen of them.

1003
00:57:20.679 --> 00:57:24.239
<v Speaker 7>They weren't the bodies like arranged first and like a

1004
00:57:24.760 --> 00:57:28.440
<v Speaker 7>like a weird circle or and then they were like

1005
00:57:28.639 --> 00:57:32.000
<v Speaker 7>doused and lit and then the two guys who were

1006
00:57:32.039 --> 00:57:35.559
<v Speaker 7>doing it, as you mentioned, then they shot themselves and

1007
00:57:35.599 --> 00:57:40.639
<v Speaker 7>then like they fell into fell into the blaze. And

1008
00:57:40.719 --> 00:57:43.239
<v Speaker 7>then this was the second incident. So that ups the

1009
00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:47.840
<v Speaker 7>body count from forty four plus fourteen at this point,

1010
00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:49.679
<v Speaker 7>I mean, it's.

1011
00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:51.639
<v Speaker 6>Just to me, how the fuck?

1012
00:57:51.880 --> 00:57:55.480
<v Speaker 7>And they say, if you research this, they say that

1013
00:57:55.559 --> 00:57:59.239
<v Speaker 7>the second incident with the fourteen people who let themselves,

1014
00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:01.920
<v Speaker 7>who got lit on fire and the two that shot themselves,

1015
00:58:02.119 --> 00:58:05.800
<v Speaker 7>they were trying to basically catch up with the other

1016
00:58:05.920 --> 00:58:13.559
<v Speaker 7>people to ascend to whatever the fox is serious. So

1017
00:58:13.760 --> 00:58:17.280
<v Speaker 7>we're talking about a year removed from the initial incident.

1018
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:21.280
<v Speaker 7>They're still on board with this ship even though everybody

1019
00:58:21.280 --> 00:58:22.239
<v Speaker 7>else is fucking dead.

1020
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:26.559
<v Speaker 2>And I mean, one of these serious, Julia, they all

1021
00:58:26.599 --> 00:58:26.840
<v Speaker 2>love it.

1022
00:58:26.960 --> 00:58:29.639
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, I get down. It's like a year removed from

1023
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:34.239
<v Speaker 7>the situation. You still are anywhere. But why would you

1024
00:58:34.280 --> 00:58:37.320
<v Speaker 7>but why would you with no leader want to then

1025
00:58:37.559 --> 00:58:38.559
<v Speaker 7>still do it?

1026
00:58:39.480 --> 00:58:41.840
<v Speaker 8>I think that's what it speaks to the mind control aspects.

1027
00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:43.920
<v Speaker 8>Of whatever is going on with this serious cult worship,

1028
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:46.400
<v Speaker 8>because again the you know, the Mormon God lives near

1029
00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:49.400
<v Speaker 8>Sirius on the star Cola, on the plane cola.

1030
00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:52.280
<v Speaker 7>If you want my opinion, I think they they were

1031
00:58:52.320 --> 00:58:54.960
<v Speaker 7>just murdered. And they said it that they were color

1032
00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:57.360
<v Speaker 7>or they were solar cult members.

1033
00:58:57.480 --> 00:59:02.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I definitely now that, and that very much so.

1034
00:59:02.519 --> 00:59:05.840
<v Speaker 2>And and I think that you know, it was different,

1035
00:59:05.880 --> 00:59:08.960
<v Speaker 2>as I said, with with the members of the OTS

1036
00:59:09.000 --> 00:59:11.800
<v Speaker 2>because many of them, like they were very wealthy. They

1037
00:59:11.840 --> 00:59:15.800
<v Speaker 2>were specifically recruited for reasons of kind of like compromising

1038
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:19.880
<v Speaker 2>them within the the aspect of of the organization itself,

1039
00:59:20.360 --> 00:59:23.159
<v Speaker 2>have them become they were. It was kind of hilarious

1040
00:59:23.159 --> 00:59:25.559
<v Speaker 2>because they would just like play to their egos and

1041
00:59:25.599 --> 00:59:28.800
<v Speaker 2>in so many different ways, you know. And and they

1042
00:59:28.880 --> 00:59:33.280
<v Speaker 2>all claimed that they were like you know, the uh

1043
00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:36.719
<v Speaker 2>reincarnation of Socrates and and like all the and Joan

1044
00:59:36.760 --> 00:59:41.320
<v Speaker 2>of Arc and all these crazy ass uh individual historical figures,

1045
00:59:41.599 --> 00:59:41.800
<v Speaker 2>you know.

1046
00:59:43.039 --> 00:59:46.679
<v Speaker 8>And and it also and my main interjectors, sir, when

1047
00:59:46.760 --> 00:59:50.440
<v Speaker 8>when you say these they recruited wealthy you know, wealthy membership,

1048
00:59:50.440 --> 00:59:52.679
<v Speaker 8>which is obviously if you want to have a wealthy colt,

1049
00:59:52.760 --> 00:59:55.880
<v Speaker 8>you need money from somewhere, but so that's obviously routine moved.

1050
00:59:55.920 --> 00:59:57.920
<v Speaker 8>But I mean that is what the Manson family did

1051
00:59:57.920 --> 00:59:59.880
<v Speaker 8>as well. I mean this is a very I mean

1052
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:01.920
<v Speaker 8>I feel when they do this, it's not just for

1053
01:00:01.960 --> 01:00:04.079
<v Speaker 8>the money. I feel like they're targeting certain families and

1054
01:00:04.119 --> 01:00:05.719
<v Speaker 8>the recruitment of some of these activities.

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01:00:05.920 --> 01:00:09.519
<v Speaker 7>There were several millionaires that were involved in the Order

1056
01:00:09.639 --> 01:00:12.519
<v Speaker 7>of the Solar Temple, and they did end up dying

1057
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.639
<v Speaker 7>in the in the initial.

1058
01:00:16.639 --> 01:00:17.440
<v Speaker 6>Sacrifice.

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01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:19.639
<v Speaker 8>There you go, and I think that's been some framework

1060
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.400
<v Speaker 8>since the Salem witch trials right right there what Julius said,

1061
01:00:22.440 --> 01:00:25.599
<v Speaker 8>right with the idea of targeting folks for monetarily purposes

1062
01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:28.800
<v Speaker 8>and economic purposes.

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01:00:29.199 --> 01:00:31.400
<v Speaker 7>I know you're going to get into this, Austin, but

1064
01:00:31.559 --> 01:00:34.639
<v Speaker 7>I just wanted to say, in my opinion, the third incident.

1065
01:00:35.079 --> 01:00:37.320
<v Speaker 7>So we already talked about the first one. Now we

1066
01:00:37.440 --> 01:00:39.880
<v Speaker 7>just talked about the second one. The third one is

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01:00:39.920 --> 01:00:44.199
<v Speaker 7>the weirdest to me because again it screams these people

1068
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:48.880
<v Speaker 7>got fucking murdered and they blamed it on Oh well,

1069
01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:52.119
<v Speaker 7>they were Solar Temple members that were trying to fucking

1070
01:00:52.239 --> 01:00:54.880
<v Speaker 7>do this fucking occult ritual shit.

1071
01:00:55.079 --> 01:01:00.320
<v Speaker 6>And it's like there's no way you're convincing me of that.

1072
01:01:00.440 --> 01:01:03.719
<v Speaker 7>I'm sorry that it just it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

1073
01:01:04.440 --> 01:01:08.719
<v Speaker 8>Agreed, one hundred and I'll get into this cover govern

1074
01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:10.239
<v Speaker 8>to write. I mean what you're saying, right.

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01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:14.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah, And and but you know, I mean you,

1076
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.119
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what was it the Prince of Monaco, right

1077
01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:19.880
<v Speaker 2>who married to Grace Kelly. He he helped, He was

1078
01:01:19.880 --> 01:01:24.840
<v Speaker 2>a major aspect of as far as incorporating the organization

1079
01:01:25.039 --> 01:01:29.199
<v Speaker 2>in Monaco, which was allegedly due to the Secret Society

1080
01:01:29.280 --> 01:01:32.920
<v Speaker 2>fraternal organizations of powerful influence that were hubbed as a

1081
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:36.199
<v Speaker 2>central hub in Monaco for some strange reason, they were

1082
01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:41.360
<v Speaker 2>kind of utilizing this this connection to the royal family

1083
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:43.960
<v Speaker 2>in Monaco through Prince Ranier.

1084
01:01:44.440 --> 01:01:48.599
<v Speaker 3>And through NASAs ONNASA actually on NASAs arranged their marriage

1085
01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:54.119
<v Speaker 3>and he actually was the key financier through for Monico.

1086
01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:58.000
<v Speaker 3>That's why it's so strange, because the control and he's

1087
01:01:58.039 --> 01:02:01.159
<v Speaker 3>part of the Black Ops, you know, yeah, all of that.

1088
01:02:01.440 --> 01:02:06.760
<v Speaker 2>So it's so crazy, man, that story, right exactly. And

1089
01:02:07.320 --> 01:02:10.920
<v Speaker 2>and I just like it's so crazy to me, the

1090
01:02:11.320 --> 01:02:16.440
<v Speaker 2>story of Princess Grace, you know, and Grace Kelly, because

1091
01:02:17.199 --> 01:02:20.000
<v Speaker 2>I tweeted about this a while back. Actually, I didn't

1092
01:02:20.039 --> 01:02:23.480
<v Speaker 2>even realize the fact that there was even a stranger

1093
01:02:23.519 --> 01:02:29.400
<v Speaker 2>connection to her death in terms of the the Solar Temple,

1094
01:02:29.679 --> 01:02:33.039
<v Speaker 2>because obviously it's so. The Sovereign Order of the Solar

1095
01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Temple was, obviously, as we just established, officially sponsored by

1096
01:02:38.440 --> 01:02:41.679
<v Speaker 2>P two member Prince Ramier the third of Monaco, with

1097
01:02:41.800 --> 01:02:45.920
<v Speaker 2>his prime wife Princess Grace even becoming a member, and

1098
01:02:46.000 --> 01:02:49.400
<v Speaker 2>shortly before her death she was apparently threatening to expose

1099
01:02:49.480 --> 01:02:53.760
<v Speaker 2>cult leader Joseph de maambrose secret ambitions, and a few

1100
01:02:53.800 --> 01:02:57.119
<v Speaker 2>months later, during the fatal car crash, her car happened

1101
01:02:57.159 --> 01:02:59.840
<v Speaker 2>to land bizarrely in a garden owned by another templeman,

1102
01:03:01.760 --> 01:03:06.599
<v Speaker 2>which I did think was insane. Sure coincidence, right, sheer coincidence.

1103
01:03:05.960 --> 01:03:10.440
<v Speaker 8>Statement, that's right, exactly, just like that two banker just

1104
01:03:10.519 --> 01:03:12.639
<v Speaker 8>he he tied himself up and hung him upside down

1105
01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:14.800
<v Speaker 8>from the bridge.

1106
01:03:13.960 --> 01:03:19.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, my god, that's so ridiculous, right, God's banker? Uh gelly, right?

1107
01:03:19.920 --> 01:03:20.719
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that who it is?

1108
01:03:20.800 --> 01:03:24.559
<v Speaker 8>But but Lecho Jelly No, that was his associate, Leo

1109
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:27.280
<v Speaker 8>j I can't remember the banker's name either, but I

1110
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:29.760
<v Speaker 8>know you have a weird Lecho Jelly was running that.

1111
01:03:29.719 --> 01:03:31.719
<v Speaker 2>Operation, the P two operation. He was.

1112
01:03:32.320 --> 01:03:33.639
<v Speaker 8>He was a member of it. He was he was

1113
01:03:33.679 --> 01:03:35.840
<v Speaker 8>a member of everybody, you know, the kg B, the

1114
01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:38.719
<v Speaker 8>c I A, Ray Wolves, you know, he was, the Freemasons.

1115
01:03:38.840 --> 01:03:39.880
<v Speaker 8>He was doing it all, you know.

1116
01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:42.719
<v Speaker 9>Oh yeah, and NASAs is involved.

1117
01:03:42.719 --> 01:03:48.440
<v Speaker 3>Speaking of of bankers, with Hitler's reich Bank president. His

1118
01:03:48.599 --> 01:03:51.480
<v Speaker 3>name is actually it sounds like shark, like s c

1119
01:03:51.840 --> 01:03:54.000
<v Speaker 3>h A c H T like shot.

1120
01:03:54.400 --> 01:03:54.920
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

1121
01:03:55.599 --> 01:03:59.960
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, so that that plays into all of them

1122
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:02.480
<v Speaker 3>and the key reason why he never lost a ship

1123
01:04:02.559 --> 01:04:03.119
<v Speaker 3>during the war.

1124
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:06.159
<v Speaker 9>So I'm almost done with amasses.

1125
01:04:07.519 --> 01:04:12.320
<v Speaker 2>That's so crazy. I just think it's I really love

1126
01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:14.599
<v Speaker 2>the fact that you guys just you know, we all

1127
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:18.559
<v Speaker 2>take different approaches and angles and these cases, and and

1128
01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:21.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just like it's it's I love the

1129
01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:24.239
<v Speaker 2>fact that, you know, the meeting of the minds. It's

1130
01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:27.239
<v Speaker 2>it's filling in a lot of holes for me as well,

1131
01:04:27.360 --> 01:04:30.800
<v Speaker 2>just because I know that there are these connections as well.

1132
01:04:30.840 --> 01:04:32.960
<v Speaker 2>But it's like as much as we read in terms

1133
01:04:33.039 --> 01:04:36.440
<v Speaker 2>of like the layer details here, it's so much of

1134
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:38.840
<v Speaker 2>it is just in and out the other side until

1135
01:04:38.840 --> 01:04:42.400
<v Speaker 2>it's reinforced with another layer of of of oh here

1136
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:46.079
<v Speaker 2>he is resurfacing again. Now it's further entrenched in my mind,

1137
01:04:46.159 --> 01:04:48.039
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, in that sort of fashion.

1138
01:04:48.079 --> 01:04:52.239
<v Speaker 2>But but I remember the story with with Grace Kelly

1139
01:04:52.239 --> 01:04:55.400
<v Speaker 2>though was was insane because she she It was described

1140
01:04:55.440 --> 01:04:58.440
<v Speaker 2>in the Scotsman. There's an article in detail that you

1141
01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:02.360
<v Speaker 2>can find that, uh if once you first find it,

1142
01:05:02.519 --> 01:05:05.480
<v Speaker 2>screenshot it because they pay well all this ship and uh,

1143
01:05:05.559 --> 01:05:09.719
<v Speaker 2>it's it's very frustrating, but it it's super interesting because

1144
01:05:09.719 --> 01:05:14.119
<v Speaker 2>they essentially describe how Now obviously she's described as an

1145
01:05:14.679 --> 01:05:19.519
<v Speaker 2>overtly sexual person who who apparently was was They were

1146
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:23.000
<v Speaker 2>having these sort of sex rituals in the ots where

1147
01:05:23.039 --> 01:05:26.760
<v Speaker 2>they would again provide you with this sort of they

1148
01:05:26.760 --> 01:05:33.360
<v Speaker 2>had like you know, this this the same sort of situation.

1149
01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:36.760
<v Speaker 2>Where as if obviously the members the four team members

1150
01:05:36.760 --> 01:05:41.880
<v Speaker 2>who drank this this uh you know, uh uh what

1151
01:05:42.000 --> 01:05:43.840
<v Speaker 2>was the term I just used? Anyway, it doesn't matter.

1152
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:49.519
<v Speaker 2>But but still it's basically this this this combination of

1153
01:05:49.519 --> 01:05:54.599
<v Speaker 2>of essentially you know, psychotropic drugs and and rite this

1154
01:05:54.599 --> 01:05:57.760
<v Speaker 2>this sort of LSD style. Uh. But but not exactly.

1155
01:05:58.039 --> 01:06:01.639
<v Speaker 2>There were multiple different drugs that were involved in the

1156
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:04.039
<v Speaker 2>sort of sex rituals that they would conduct and I

1157
01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:07.480
<v Speaker 2>forgot the whole list, but it is very interesting because

1158
01:06:07.840 --> 01:06:12.400
<v Speaker 2>apparently she was basically they used acupuncture needles and placed

1159
01:06:12.440 --> 01:06:16.719
<v Speaker 2>them strategically on these sexual meridian points and and brought

1160
01:06:16.760 --> 01:06:20.280
<v Speaker 2>her to orgasm in the course of this. This this

1161
01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:23.559
<v Speaker 2>was her initiation into the ots and and it was

1162
01:06:23.599 --> 01:06:27.119
<v Speaker 2>described as like security lookouts lined the route as her

1163
01:06:27.159 --> 01:06:30.760
<v Speaker 2>white jaguarre sped through the narrowing, twisting roads. It's an

1164
01:06:30.840 --> 01:06:33.840
<v Speaker 2>interesting article, you guys, check it out because it gets

1165
01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:38.719
<v Speaker 2>very detailed in terms of what they actually were practicing

1166
01:06:39.199 --> 01:06:42.400
<v Speaker 2>and how they would kind of sure, yeah, just kind

1167
01:06:42.400 --> 01:06:45.880
<v Speaker 2>of like it again. Not only were there this sort

1168
01:06:45.920 --> 01:06:48.159
<v Speaker 2>of you know, sedatives that were involved.

1169
01:06:48.440 --> 01:06:50.519
<v Speaker 8>And uh, well, I think that's an important point you're

1170
01:06:50.519 --> 01:06:52.440
<v Speaker 8>making there, because one thing we don't we don't always

1171
01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:55.480
<v Speaker 8>consider is the logistics behind obtaining these drogs.

1172
01:06:57.199 --> 01:06:57.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh my god.

1173
01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:00.760
<v Speaker 8>And that's a crazy time after time, it's doctors that

1174
01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:02.039
<v Speaker 8>are compromised and stuff.

1175
01:07:02.079 --> 01:07:04.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm thinking right the top of my head.

1176
01:07:04.599 --> 01:07:08.000
<v Speaker 8>Then Axiom Cole was doing it mk ulture experimentation, you know,

1177
01:07:08.039 --> 01:07:11.920
<v Speaker 8>literal mk ultra experiments in Albany, New York, and in Monoray, Mexico.

1178
01:07:12.559 --> 01:07:15.119
<v Speaker 8>And they were doing it under the auspices of an

1179
01:07:15.159 --> 01:07:19.320
<v Speaker 8>actual neuro neurological doctor, you know, licensed and credited through

1180
01:07:19.360 --> 01:07:21.639
<v Speaker 8>the stay of New York, who lost his license as

1181
01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:24.320
<v Speaker 8>a result of these activities later. But that so, this

1182
01:07:24.480 --> 01:07:26.880
<v Speaker 8>much is documented him losing his license in the activities

1183
01:07:26.880 --> 01:07:29.320
<v Speaker 8>in which he was conducting these experiments. So you know

1184
01:07:29.440 --> 01:07:31.880
<v Speaker 8>some uh, you know, taping folk's eyes open and making

1185
01:07:31.880 --> 01:07:33.559
<v Speaker 8>them watch some snuff films, that kind of thing.

1186
01:07:34.239 --> 01:07:34.400
<v Speaker 2>You know.

1187
01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:37.159
<v Speaker 8>There was seven seven different women documented some of these films.

1188
01:07:37.159 --> 01:07:39.599
<v Speaker 8>They seem to be Mexican and I often wonder what

1189
01:07:39.599 --> 01:07:41.519
<v Speaker 8>they were doing in Monterey, Mexico, and they were filming

1190
01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:42.599
<v Speaker 8>these themselves down there.

1191
01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:43.679
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit.

1192
01:07:44.559 --> 01:07:47.320
<v Speaker 8>That's but it is oftentimes doctor's compromise. So I presume

1193
01:07:47.400 --> 01:07:49.280
<v Speaker 8>there is an element to that with this gold as well.

1194
01:07:49.960 --> 01:07:52.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, no, oh my god, there's a direct element

1195
01:07:52.760 --> 01:07:55.480
<v Speaker 2>to that, and and it comes in the form of this.

1196
01:07:56.639 --> 01:08:00.320
<v Speaker 2>It was again I believe in the criminal trial of

1197
01:08:00.719 --> 01:08:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Michelle Tabocnik, because that that basically revealed that there was

1198
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:10.000
<v Speaker 2>a there was a a doctor who was essentially providing

1199
01:08:11.119 --> 01:08:15.960
<v Speaker 2>a pharmacist right this breast pharmacist Cloud Geiron He so

1200
01:08:16.119 --> 01:08:20.000
<v Speaker 2>he apparently he apparently was involved and had criminal association

1201
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:25.319
<v Speaker 2>with the organization. And it turns out, you know, and

1202
01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:29.880
<v Speaker 2>a homeopathic specialist, right friend of the late Luke Georret.

1203
01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:34.640
<v Speaker 2>You know, it turns out grand master of the ots

1204
01:08:34.680 --> 01:08:38.359
<v Speaker 2>obviously and had the case dismissed July thirteenth, apparently in

1205
01:08:38.439 --> 01:08:42.560
<v Speaker 2>ninety seven, this individual Cloud Gearan And so the pharmacist

1206
01:08:43.079 --> 01:08:48.119
<v Speaker 2>suspected of having provided the drugs a neuroliptic row hypnol

1207
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:52.960
<v Speaker 2>and a cardiotonic did did did Jackson? I'm not sure

1208
01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:58.600
<v Speaker 2>how d yeah? Did jockson? Okay ingested by the victims

1209
01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:02.359
<v Speaker 2>of the vercors before their deaths, and so uh it

1210
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:07.319
<v Speaker 2>turns out that, uh, this this bailiff from Breast and

1211
01:09:08.119 --> 01:09:13.119
<v Speaker 2>Burnt apparently in one month managed to do what obviously

1212
01:09:13.199 --> 01:09:16.560
<v Speaker 2>the authorities could not and in providing this this example,

1213
01:09:16.680 --> 01:09:20.439
<v Speaker 2>as far as a box of the jockson was apparently

1214
01:09:20.479 --> 01:09:25.640
<v Speaker 2>intended to be destroyed, but a lot of this, these medicines,

1215
01:09:25.680 --> 01:09:29.840
<v Speaker 2>several medicines and packaging was found around like surrounding the remains,

1216
01:09:30.079 --> 01:09:33.399
<v Speaker 2>like near the remains, and uh, and it turns out

1217
01:09:33.439 --> 01:09:36.600
<v Speaker 2>that this had a less damaged box of the jockson

1218
01:09:36.720 --> 01:09:41.159
<v Speaker 2>which bore a batch number six to one and apparently

1219
01:09:41.239 --> 01:09:44.199
<v Speaker 2>in July of ninety six, you had the fifth Division

1220
01:09:44.239 --> 01:09:45.439
<v Speaker 2>of the Judicial Police.

1221
01:09:46.319 --> 01:09:46.479
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1222
01:09:46.560 --> 01:09:50.840
<v Speaker 2>They they they go to Procter and Gamble and this

1223
01:09:50.920 --> 01:09:55.760
<v Speaker 2>laboratory that there was Jockson went Procter and Gamble.

1224
01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:58.439
<v Speaker 8>Yes, sir, that's interesting. I don't want to interject, but

1225
01:09:58.840 --> 01:10:00.199
<v Speaker 8>I'll get back to that amount, please.

1226
01:10:00.239 --> 01:10:04.800
<v Speaker 2>Okay, dude, it's fascinating. But so they produced this the

1227
01:10:05.399 --> 01:10:08.840
<v Speaker 2>Jockson for the list of wholesalers who had ordered this batch,

1228
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:12.039
<v Speaker 2>which was distributed on the twenty seventh, twenty eighth, and

1229
01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:15.279
<v Speaker 2>twenty ninth of September ninety five, which is right before

1230
01:10:15.880 --> 01:10:19.920
<v Speaker 2>so the investigators are using. So essentially what happened is

1231
01:10:19.920 --> 01:10:23.960
<v Speaker 2>they began to use this list and they then pursued

1232
01:10:23.960 --> 01:10:29.159
<v Speaker 2>this and submitted a report that explained that essentially the

1233
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:33.159
<v Speaker 2>city of Breast, this pharmacist supplied by a wholesaler who

1234
01:10:33.239 --> 01:10:35.319
<v Speaker 2>was not the recipient of batch six to one of

1235
01:10:35.359 --> 01:10:40.239
<v Speaker 2>the Jockson. But four years later, in February, Jean Vornay right,

1236
01:10:40.279 --> 01:10:43.479
<v Speaker 2>which is one of the victim's families, he became aware

1237
01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:46.960
<v Speaker 2>of this entire investigation file and he noticed that among

1238
01:10:46.960 --> 01:10:50.439
<v Speaker 2>the recipients of this lot, sixty two to one indicated

1239
01:10:50.439 --> 01:10:57.000
<v Speaker 2>by Procter and Gamble was OCP repartition based in Goose

1240
01:10:57.079 --> 01:11:00.640
<v Speaker 2>now in the suburbs of Breast, and that it had

1241
01:11:00.720 --> 01:11:03.840
<v Speaker 2>never been contacted by the police. And so on March

1242
01:11:03.960 --> 01:11:07.800
<v Speaker 2>ninth OCP confirmed that it had been the regular supplier

1243
01:11:07.880 --> 01:11:11.079
<v Speaker 2>of the Gheran Pharmacy for many years. So we have

1244
01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:14.399
<v Speaker 2>instantly now we have a confirmation that this was the

1245
01:11:14.399 --> 01:11:19.880
<v Speaker 2>pharmacy you know that was regularly supplying you know this

1246
01:11:19.880 --> 01:11:26.720
<v Speaker 2>this specific did Jackson Batch apparently, And so on March fourteenth,

1247
01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:30.359
<v Speaker 2>ninety seven you have this bailiff who goes to the

1248
01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:34.680
<v Speaker 2>OCP and consults the archives. He discovers that Cloud Geeran

1249
01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:38.920
<v Speaker 2>had apparently the pharmacist right had ordered and who's directly

1250
01:11:38.960 --> 01:11:42.159
<v Speaker 2>affiliated with Luke Gerray and the ots, had ordered on

1251
01:11:42.199 --> 01:11:45.920
<v Speaker 2>September twenty ninth and thirtieth ninety five, just before the

1252
01:11:45.960 --> 01:11:49.279
<v Speaker 2>deaths these six boxes of did jockson from Batch six

1253
01:11:49.439 --> 01:11:53.720
<v Speaker 2>twenty one. So to me, and especially when you see

1254
01:11:53.720 --> 01:11:58.119
<v Speaker 2>that after the Varne family, they apparently they request at

1255
01:11:58.159 --> 01:12:02.000
<v Speaker 2>the request of the Verne family, of the bailiff consulted

1256
01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:04.920
<v Speaker 2>all the orders placed by the Gurin pharmacy in ninety

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01:12:04.920 --> 01:12:10.800
<v Speaker 2>four ninety five. His conclusion was apparently in regard to

1258
01:12:10.840 --> 01:12:16.159
<v Speaker 2>the roe hypnol, a powerful neuroleeiptic was used to drug

1259
01:12:16.199 --> 01:12:19.800
<v Speaker 2>most of the forty seven OTS followers killed in Switzerland

1260
01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:24.119
<v Speaker 2>in October of ninety four. And while he usually orders

1261
01:12:24.159 --> 01:12:27.760
<v Speaker 2>about ten boxes of roe hypnol per month, cloud Geerin

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01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:32.039
<v Speaker 2>buys forty in June of ninety four, twenty one in July,

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01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:37.359
<v Speaker 2>and forty one in August. So obviously it seems as

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01:12:37.399 --> 01:12:42.720
<v Speaker 2>if he's preparing for something right and with much larger supply.

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01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:46.840
<v Speaker 2>And so then you have this interesting observation that you

1266
01:12:46.920 --> 01:12:50.399
<v Speaker 2>have an examination of the pharmacist accounts that shows that

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01:12:50.479 --> 01:12:53.079
<v Speaker 2>in October ninety four he received a transfer of five

1268
01:12:53.199 --> 01:12:57.000
<v Speaker 2>hundred thousand francs, and so it looks as if he

1269
01:12:57.119 --> 01:13:01.720
<v Speaker 2>was definitely you know, very well right paid for for

1270
01:13:02.439 --> 01:13:06.880
<v Speaker 2>just to imburst for for these batches that obviously it

1271
01:13:06.960 --> 01:13:10.119
<v Speaker 2>seems like there was a mass murder, that they clearly

1272
01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:16.039
<v Speaker 2>that these individuals were poisoned. And the connection there is

1273
01:13:16.119 --> 01:13:18.840
<v Speaker 2>just fascinating as far as the you know, Procter and

1274
01:13:18.880 --> 01:13:22.520
<v Speaker 2>Gammel uh, you know, pharmaceutical batches that are being provided

1275
01:13:22.520 --> 01:13:27.079
<v Speaker 2>to the OTS directly through connection to Luke gerray I

1276
01:13:27.079 --> 01:13:27.520
<v Speaker 2>think they're not.

1277
01:13:27.520 --> 01:13:29.960
<v Speaker 8>A great example. And that's a direct connection through Luke Gray.

1278
01:13:30.000 --> 01:13:32.920
<v Speaker 8>You said, huh, yeah, I don't want to take us

1279
01:13:32.920 --> 01:13:34.279
<v Speaker 8>on it. I don't want to take us on a

1280
01:13:34.359 --> 01:13:35.880
<v Speaker 8>I don't want to go full blown Society of the

1281
01:13:35.880 --> 01:13:39.720
<v Speaker 8>Cincinnati here. But obviously these activities going on in France

1282
01:13:39.880 --> 01:13:43.279
<v Speaker 8>my theories of the society's activities in life generally, especially

1283
01:13:43.319 --> 01:13:46.119
<v Speaker 8>relative to ancient Alliti and cargo cold activity like the Mormons,

1284
01:13:46.560 --> 01:13:50.159
<v Speaker 8>which is spawned from the society. So in society membership,

1285
01:13:50.680 --> 01:13:53.600
<v Speaker 8>So this Jerre Fellow, he seems to be I'm not

1286
01:13:53.640 --> 01:13:56.079
<v Speaker 8>saying he's a card carry member, but he's got membership

1287
01:13:56.199 --> 01:14:00.640
<v Speaker 8>in his in his family trees. So I looked through

1288
01:14:00.640 --> 01:14:03.319
<v Speaker 8>his family tree initially, and I'll bring I'll bring it

1289
01:14:03.399 --> 01:14:06.159
<v Speaker 8>right back to Rocker and gamble Hill real quick. I

1290
01:14:06.479 --> 01:14:08.720
<v Speaker 8>looked through his family tree and saw his forefather died

1291
01:14:08.720 --> 01:14:11.399
<v Speaker 8>in a very seminal event in the French Revolution. I

1292
01:14:11.439 --> 01:14:15.279
<v Speaker 8>was like, that's not good that that that man's grandsons

1293
01:14:15.319 --> 01:14:16.960
<v Speaker 8>were both named the polar or that man's son and

1294
01:14:17.000 --> 01:14:18.960
<v Speaker 8>grandson and were both named Napolion. At a time where

1295
01:14:18.960 --> 01:14:21.319
<v Speaker 8>you didn't want to be named Napoleon over there, you

1296
01:14:21.319 --> 01:14:23.239
<v Speaker 8>know what I mean, and the point being a member

1297
01:14:23.239 --> 01:14:24.640
<v Speaker 8>of the society, I was like, well, these are all

1298
01:14:24.680 --> 01:14:27.600
<v Speaker 8>fascinating things. So then I start tracking them them and

1299
01:14:27.800 --> 01:14:29.840
<v Speaker 8>them in America at the same time, and I offshoot

1300
01:14:29.880 --> 01:14:32.079
<v Speaker 8>that family. So I don't know if his branch is

1301
01:14:32.119 --> 01:14:33.840
<v Speaker 8>a member, but he's got it. He's got an American

1302
01:14:33.880 --> 01:14:36.479
<v Speaker 8>cousin that is that seems to be a member through

1303
01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:42.319
<v Speaker 8>the founding u the first free city in America Washington, Pennsylvania,

1304
01:14:42.439 --> 01:14:45.319
<v Speaker 8>which which originated as Fort Vance, which was founded by

1305
01:14:45.359 --> 01:14:47.239
<v Speaker 8>a member of Clan Vance, which which was a member

1306
01:14:47.279 --> 01:14:50.079
<v Speaker 8>of the society there and a cousin of George there

1307
01:14:50.800 --> 01:14:54.439
<v Speaker 8>and the first free city was seventeen eighty three after

1308
01:14:54.439 --> 01:14:55.359
<v Speaker 8>the Treaty of Paris.

1309
01:14:55.920 --> 01:14:57.239
<v Speaker 2>This was the first city they founded.

1310
01:14:57.319 --> 01:14:59.680
<v Speaker 8>So these Gera people were there on the scene and

1311
01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:03.640
<v Speaker 8>the American wing and uh, the I would allege that

1312
01:15:03.680 --> 01:15:06.640
<v Speaker 8>the member of that branch is in his indeed an

1313
01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:11.000
<v Speaker 8>employee in the Society of Cincinnati's uh you know namesake

1314
01:15:11.079 --> 01:15:13.760
<v Speaker 8>town of Cincinnati. At the headquarters of Procter and Gamble.

1315
01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:19.760
<v Speaker 3>My god and Nixon's godfather, there is a president of

1316
01:15:19.800 --> 01:15:26.199
<v Speaker 3>a pharmacy and a philanthropist and pharmaceutical like brilliant guy.

1317
01:15:26.399 --> 01:15:29.159
<v Speaker 9>So there might be some connects there too.

1318
01:15:30.560 --> 01:15:34.439
<v Speaker 2>But if I may just offman on that one.

1319
01:15:34.239 --> 01:15:39.000
<v Speaker 8>For awesome, now, I would I would like I mean

1320
01:15:39.079 --> 01:15:41.159
<v Speaker 8>Nixon's obviously I'm a major power player a lot of

1321
01:15:41.159 --> 01:15:42.960
<v Speaker 8>these things. But if I may just ruminate here on

1322
01:15:43.159 --> 01:15:45.680
<v Speaker 8>that that that's subject. So the guy you just said

1323
01:15:45.800 --> 01:15:48.399
<v Speaker 8>has the connections of Proctery game over there, his American

1324
01:15:48.399 --> 01:15:50.319
<v Speaker 8>cousin who seems to be a member of this organization

1325
01:15:50.359 --> 01:15:52.960
<v Speaker 8>that started America as a French chapter as well.

1326
01:15:53.920 --> 01:15:57.159
<v Speaker 2>Again I don't know. Again, his cousin Luke Taray may

1327
01:15:57.279 --> 01:15:58.399
<v Speaker 2>may be a member. I can't.

1328
01:15:58.520 --> 01:16:01.600
<v Speaker 8>I don't have as much knowledge of French history and

1329
01:16:02.319 --> 01:16:03.960
<v Speaker 8>the names look like fraggle Rock to me, so I

1330
01:16:03.960 --> 01:16:07.880
<v Speaker 8>don't do genealogy well in France stuff. So but it's

1331
01:16:07.960 --> 01:16:09.520
<v Speaker 8>you know, again, we have a direct connection betwe the

1332
01:16:09.520 --> 01:16:14.119
<v Speaker 8>Procter and Gamble, the Cincinnati here, the headquarters, the Giray family, right,

1333
01:16:14.319 --> 01:16:15.960
<v Speaker 8>you know what I mean? It seems like there's a

1334
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:18.319
<v Speaker 8>lot more to what you've what you've just pointed out there.

1335
01:16:20.079 --> 01:16:23.600
<v Speaker 3>French connection with Martinism has to be infiltrating over here

1336
01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:24.800
<v Speaker 3>at that same point.

1337
01:16:25.000 --> 01:16:28.760
<v Speaker 8>So I'm just creeped that it's the same family with this.

1338
01:16:28.800 --> 01:16:30.640
<v Speaker 8>When you said Procter and Gambles, they wait a second,

1339
01:16:30.640 --> 01:16:33.000
<v Speaker 8>that's this, This is not like kill Bill. Sirens went

1340
01:16:33.039 --> 01:16:34.880
<v Speaker 8>off in my head because again I was like, this

1341
01:16:35.000 --> 01:16:36.920
<v Speaker 8>is the family, the Procter and Gamble, Like what is

1342
01:16:36.960 --> 01:16:40.079
<v Speaker 8>going on there? Oh man, I'm telling you.

1343
01:16:40.319 --> 01:16:45.359
<v Speaker 2>I just the fact that they comes from the Belgian

1344
01:16:45.399 --> 01:16:50.479
<v Speaker 2>congo that is not at all coincidental in terms of

1345
01:16:50.600 --> 01:16:54.840
<v Speaker 2>whack and Hunt Wacken Huts footprint at that time. Uh,

1346
01:16:54.960 --> 01:16:57.920
<v Speaker 2>they very much were involved, obviously if if you know

1347
01:16:58.039 --> 01:17:01.319
<v Speaker 2>about the paramilitary underground that was being utilized by the

1348
01:17:01.439 --> 01:17:06.279
<v Speaker 2>intelligence apparatus to basically strategy of tension, very much in

1349
01:17:05.960 --> 01:17:09.720
<v Speaker 2>in in the vein of operation Gladio and and I

1350
01:17:09.800 --> 01:17:14.479
<v Speaker 2>believe you know, have direct ties to to you know,

1351
01:17:14.640 --> 01:17:18.960
<v Speaker 2>the let's say the Black Baron beIN while Debun voice

1352
01:17:18.960 --> 01:17:21.720
<v Speaker 2>and and and uh, and these various individuals who were

1353
01:17:21.760 --> 01:17:25.520
<v Speaker 2>aristocrats and and you know leadership, very highest levels of

1354
01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:28.720
<v Speaker 2>the you know, Belgian leadership, and and and we're all

1355
01:17:28.760 --> 01:17:32.199
<v Speaker 2>tied directly into the pink ballets that were being conducted

1356
01:17:32.239 --> 01:17:35.560
<v Speaker 2>at local castles and and and and uh. It was

1357
01:17:35.600 --> 01:17:38.680
<v Speaker 2>all for sexual black male human compromise. But victims of

1358
01:17:38.760 --> 01:17:41.199
<v Speaker 2>the ex dossier, which were all connected into with the

1359
01:17:41.239 --> 01:17:45.000
<v Speaker 2>de Trol case. It's all fascinating because they're all connected

1360
01:17:45.000 --> 01:17:49.039
<v Speaker 2>to this paramilitary underground, just as the OTS is and

1361
01:17:49.119 --> 01:17:52.039
<v Speaker 2>Luke Gerra comes from the same exact background. I had

1362
01:17:52.079 --> 01:17:55.119
<v Speaker 2>no idea that that, right, that he had so many

1363
01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:59.159
<v Speaker 2>different connection connections to to this this sort of he

1364
01:17:59.279 --> 01:18:01.960
<v Speaker 2>was a paratrueper for a time, right, he was an

1365
01:18:02.000 --> 01:18:05.159
<v Speaker 2>and then he gets out of the military and then

1366
01:18:05.399 --> 01:18:09.199
<v Speaker 2>becomes this homeopathic and new wage esoteric right, like.

1367
01:18:09.479 --> 01:18:11.880
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, you went to the Philippines for like a year

1368
01:18:11.920 --> 01:18:12.359
<v Speaker 5>or two eight.

1369
01:18:13.399 --> 01:18:17.399
<v Speaker 2>One hundred percent. It's like this guy looks he just

1370
01:18:17.560 --> 01:18:19.560
<v Speaker 2>smells like a spook, you know what I mean, in

1371
01:18:19.600 --> 01:18:22.880
<v Speaker 2>every way and uh and and I just to me,

1372
01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:27.159
<v Speaker 2>it feels like it's it's extraordinarily obvious at this point

1373
01:18:27.199 --> 01:18:30.560
<v Speaker 2>that that honestly, he was very much a large part

1374
01:18:30.640 --> 01:18:34.640
<v Speaker 2>of of the drug trafficking and arms smuggling. I think

1375
01:18:34.720 --> 01:18:37.279
<v Speaker 2>was a huge part of it. But it's interesting to

1376
01:18:37.319 --> 01:18:40.199
<v Speaker 2>me because you have like a hydro Quebec, the hydro

1377
01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:44.199
<v Speaker 2>Quebec company and in Canada and had legitimately been infiltrated

1378
01:18:44.199 --> 01:18:47.039
<v Speaker 2>by members of the OTS. And while all these terrorist

1379
01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:51.760
<v Speaker 2>attacks are being conducted, bombings, mass shootings, and and the

1380
01:18:51.800 --> 01:18:54.960
<v Speaker 2>OTS was implicated and a lot of these criminal investigations,

1381
01:18:55.279 --> 01:18:58.560
<v Speaker 2>members of the OTS were implicated, and and uh and

1382
01:18:58.560 --> 01:19:01.720
<v Speaker 2>and apparently they had like eyes to organized crime, which

1383
01:19:01.760 --> 01:19:03.880
<v Speaker 2>made a lot a lot more sense as well, right,

1384
01:19:04.159 --> 01:19:05.399
<v Speaker 2>because you think about.

1385
01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:07.279
<v Speaker 8>The framework of what you're describing here also, I mean,

1386
01:19:07.319 --> 01:19:09.039
<v Speaker 8>it's the framework of the P two lodge, like you

1387
01:19:09.079 --> 01:19:12.840
<v Speaker 8>said with with Grace Kelly's husband, who sanctioned all these activities.

1388
01:19:12.840 --> 01:19:14.800
<v Speaker 8>That was the framework of what you're describing as the

1389
01:19:14.800 --> 01:19:17.319
<v Speaker 8>same Gladio style framework was going on in Italy. This

1390
01:19:17.359 --> 01:19:20.960
<v Speaker 8>sounds like the French version exactly. It's French Gladio in

1391
01:19:21.000 --> 01:19:22.960
<v Speaker 8>my opinion here, which is weird.

1392
01:19:22.680 --> 01:19:28.079
<v Speaker 3>That ow NASAs ran that though like he obviously.

1393
01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:29.119
<v Speaker 2>I think NASA's runs a lot of shid oh.

1394
01:19:29.640 --> 01:19:31.640
<v Speaker 9>He was running the drugs in his ships.

1395
01:19:31.920 --> 01:19:37.159
<v Speaker 8>It's it's I wonder what it's on the member of

1396
01:19:37.159 --> 01:19:38.960
<v Speaker 8>the Society of Cincinnati had to do about any of

1397
01:19:39.000 --> 01:19:39.319
<v Speaker 8>these things.

1398
01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:40.279
<v Speaker 2>JFK Jr.

1399
01:19:40.920 --> 01:19:41.960
<v Speaker 9>Right, exactly.

1400
01:19:42.439 --> 01:19:44.760
<v Speaker 7>I had a question about the drugs you were talking

1401
01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:48.720
<v Speaker 7>about a second ago. So you said it was real

1402
01:19:48.840 --> 01:19:52.800
<v Speaker 7>hipnol and did jock strap or some ship.

1403
01:19:53.319 --> 01:19:58.199
<v Speaker 3>Right right, right, Yeah, did jockson it's as a cardiac.

1404
01:19:58.399 --> 01:20:00.600
<v Speaker 2>I like, I liked Julia's name better the jockstrip.

1405
01:20:00.760 --> 01:20:04.079
<v Speaker 6>Okay, but but is this meant to like? Is this

1406
01:20:04.199 --> 01:20:05.279
<v Speaker 6>meant to like? Okay?

1407
01:20:05.880 --> 01:20:09.359
<v Speaker 7>They mix them together, right, they mix these two things together.

1408
01:20:10.680 --> 01:20:15.439
<v Speaker 2>Sedatives, you know, to essentially make the murderer the murders

1409
01:20:16.039 --> 01:20:19.239
<v Speaker 2>very simple, easy, straightforward. It's very much like what happened

1410
01:20:19.279 --> 01:20:22.159
<v Speaker 2>to Jonestown. I think they were essentially all drugged and

1411
01:20:22.199 --> 01:20:24.399
<v Speaker 2>sedated to the point where they could not fight back.

1412
01:20:24.680 --> 01:20:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Then you have the Green Berets come in and the

1413
01:20:26.800 --> 01:20:29.760
<v Speaker 2>you know, the British Black what was it, the Black Watch.

1414
01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:37.960
<v Speaker 2>The special Forces were just meandering around the area just

1415
01:20:38.000 --> 01:20:40.640
<v Speaker 2>so happened to be running some some insane operation at

1416
01:20:40.640 --> 01:20:42.840
<v Speaker 2>the time. But clearly to me it made it to where,

1417
01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:47.079
<v Speaker 2>all right, we are in cover up mode, right in

1418
01:20:47.199 --> 01:20:51.439
<v Speaker 2>terms of this this criminal enterprise that we're clearly have

1419
01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:55.800
<v Speaker 2>been facilitating for for far too long, it's now seemingly

1420
01:20:56.640 --> 01:21:00.000
<v Speaker 2>being overexposed. And right we have a window now where

1421
01:21:00.079 --> 01:21:02.880
<v Speaker 2>the public is very much involved in, concerned and interested,

1422
01:21:02.960 --> 01:21:05.800
<v Speaker 2>and you have this sort of hysteria at the time,

1423
01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:09.279
<v Speaker 2>right about the occult network happening and what's going on

1424
01:21:09.479 --> 01:21:12.000
<v Speaker 2>every you know, Heaven's Gate, as you said, right, and

1425
01:21:12.279 --> 01:21:14.880
<v Speaker 2>this is all coming off the back of the Satanic panic,

1426
01:21:14.920 --> 01:21:21.119
<v Speaker 2>which right had just essentially at least plagued the minds

1427
01:21:21.159 --> 01:21:24.800
<v Speaker 2>of many many right for still does or still does

1428
01:21:25.000 --> 01:21:26.960
<v Speaker 2>it folks minds?

1429
01:21:27.560 --> 01:21:29.920
<v Speaker 7>So you think that they use these in the first

1430
01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:33.199
<v Speaker 7>incident with the majority of the bodies.

1431
01:21:33.720 --> 01:21:36.920
<v Speaker 2>I think that this was a pattern that they basically

1432
01:21:37.119 --> 01:21:41.880
<v Speaker 2>were attempting to anytime that they they were targeting, uh,

1433
01:21:42.399 --> 01:21:45.319
<v Speaker 2>let's say just the local chapter of the ots that

1434
01:21:45.439 --> 01:21:52.000
<v Speaker 2>needed to be you know. Essentially it was basically I

1435
01:21:52.039 --> 01:21:56.159
<v Speaker 2>forget how bo Gritz put it when in terms of Jonestown,

1436
01:21:56.239 --> 01:21:59.239
<v Speaker 2>but it was interesting because it was basically like, all.

1437
01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:01.680
<v Speaker 8>Right, every time I hear that name now, because why

1438
01:22:01.720 --> 01:22:04.560
<v Speaker 8>would anyone ever take anything he did seriously about anything?

1439
01:22:04.640 --> 01:22:10.279
<v Speaker 6>Right, very seriously.

1440
01:22:10.720 --> 01:22:12.199
<v Speaker 2>How do you like your bo grits?

1441
01:22:12.720 --> 01:22:16.560
<v Speaker 7>I like my bow grits with butter and a little

1442
01:22:16.600 --> 01:22:17.359
<v Speaker 7>salt and pepper.

1443
01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:18.399
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

1444
01:22:18.720 --> 01:22:24.560
<v Speaker 7>Anyways, So the first the first incident, right, remember, because

1445
01:22:24.600 --> 01:22:26.479
<v Speaker 7>I said it, it didn't make any sense to me

1446
01:22:26.600 --> 01:22:29.239
<v Speaker 7>how how they were able to get all those people

1447
01:22:29.279 --> 01:22:31.640
<v Speaker 7>down there. So do you think that they were drugged

1448
01:22:31.680 --> 01:22:35.560
<v Speaker 7>before or after they got into the fucking chalets.

1449
01:22:34.960 --> 01:22:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Like ha, Like, I think I don't believe that most

1450
01:22:41.760 --> 01:22:44.520
<v Speaker 2>of them were lured there. Well, I think they were

1451
01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:47.680
<v Speaker 2>lured there, definitely, but I don't think that they were

1452
01:22:47.720 --> 01:22:52.840
<v Speaker 2>they were like uh, I think that mainly they were practiced.

1453
01:22:52.840 --> 01:22:57.560
<v Speaker 2>They were obviously very consistent within the terms of practicing

1454
01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:00.119
<v Speaker 2>these rituals. So they would always kind of gather and

1455
01:23:00.159 --> 01:23:02.600
<v Speaker 2>meet for these rituals, and they would they would always

1456
01:23:02.640 --> 01:23:06.560
<v Speaker 2>gather and meet in the covert spaces that they had

1457
01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:09.319
<v Speaker 2>built within the chalets, which were like, you know, behind

1458
01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:12.840
<v Speaker 2>these false walls and shit and right, which the investigators,

1459
01:23:13.000 --> 01:23:15.960
<v Speaker 2>at least the initial investigators who arrived on the scene

1460
01:23:15.960 --> 01:23:18.760
<v Speaker 2>at first, didn't even find any bodies, right, They're like,

1461
01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:23.760
<v Speaker 2>what the hell's going on? You know, like, where's this crime?

1462
01:23:23.880 --> 01:23:28.560
<v Speaker 2>You know? And then they finally discovered the false panel

1463
01:23:28.600 --> 01:23:32.159
<v Speaker 2>and went into to the area where where, which I

1464
01:23:32.239 --> 01:23:34.680
<v Speaker 2>found that to be very interesting as far as the

1465
01:23:34.720 --> 01:23:37.760
<v Speaker 2>way that some of the bodies were discovered. But there

1466
01:23:37.840 --> 01:23:41.640
<v Speaker 2>was one individual who I believe he provided an interesting

1467
01:23:41.760 --> 01:23:46.520
<v Speaker 2>example of let's say, someone who had fallen out of

1468
01:23:46.600 --> 01:23:49.399
<v Speaker 2>line with the way that things were going, because clearly

1469
01:23:49.399 --> 01:23:53.000
<v Speaker 2>there had been you know, some real problems in terms

1470
01:23:53.000 --> 01:23:56.960
<v Speaker 2>of leading up to the mass deaths that occurred. Right,

1471
01:23:57.000 --> 01:24:00.640
<v Speaker 2>the internal group dynamics were kind of like, at least

1472
01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:03.880
<v Speaker 2>leading up to the tragedies, things were snowballing, right, there

1473
01:24:03.880 --> 01:24:05.920
<v Speaker 2>was an escalation, and I think what had happened is

1474
01:24:05.960 --> 01:24:10.800
<v Speaker 2>that Joseph de maambro One Luke Jerra was under investigation

1475
01:24:10.960 --> 01:24:14.079
<v Speaker 2>for arms smuggling, all right, and so you already have

1476
01:24:14.199 --> 01:24:16.560
<v Speaker 2>this is uh oh right now, now we have a

1477
01:24:16.640 --> 01:24:19.920
<v Speaker 2>legitimate concern that this is going to come out and

1478
01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:21.880
<v Speaker 2>we'll see the light of day in terms of the

1479
01:24:21.920 --> 01:24:26.119
<v Speaker 2>covert operation being conducted utilizing the occult organization as a

1480
01:24:26.119 --> 01:24:29.279
<v Speaker 2>plausible cutout. Now, that doesn't mean none of the individuals

1481
01:24:29.359 --> 01:24:32.600
<v Speaker 2>involved the OTS, uh. I think that very many of

1482
01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:36.560
<v Speaker 2>them practice this belief system legitimately. You know, we're attempting

1483
01:24:36.560 --> 01:24:39.159
<v Speaker 2>to transit to the star Sirius, right, which is it's

1484
01:24:39.159 --> 01:24:40.359
<v Speaker 2>a hilarious.

1485
01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:43.319
<v Speaker 8>Uh you know, just I think as far as we're

1486
01:24:43.319 --> 01:24:44.720
<v Speaker 8>trying to get on Haley's common you know what I

1487
01:24:44.720 --> 01:24:46.119
<v Speaker 8>mean with the Heaven's Gate right.

1488
01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:48.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, it was curious about it. I will say it's

1489
01:24:49.000 --> 01:24:53.600
<v Speaker 2>crazy because the rudimentary ideas of like uh, you know,

1490
01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:56.520
<v Speaker 2>the as far as just like what they were teaching.

1491
01:24:56.640 --> 01:25:00.279
<v Speaker 2>You know, the the Blue Star appeared some too out

1492
01:25:00.600 --> 01:25:02.319
<v Speaker 2>twenty six thousand years ago.

1493
01:25:02.960 --> 01:25:03.119
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

1494
01:25:03.239 --> 01:25:08.239
<v Speaker 2>The Star serious home of a number of ascended masters

1495
01:25:08.720 --> 01:25:13.680
<v Speaker 2>known as the Great White Brotherhood. Yep, right there, who can.

1496
01:25:14.199 --> 01:25:16.920
<v Speaker 8>Part of the hypnosis campaign of these activities is to

1497
01:25:16.960 --> 01:25:20.359
<v Speaker 8>convince folks, isn't to embed these ideas and the folks subconscious?

1498
01:25:21.239 --> 01:25:24.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that makes sense, but I mean it's it's like

1499
01:25:24.439 --> 01:25:29.680
<v Speaker 2>they're talking about this Great White Brotherhood coming to Earth

1500
01:25:30.159 --> 01:25:35.439
<v Speaker 2>inhabiting a subterranean spiritual realm known as a Gartha and

1501
01:25:35.560 --> 01:25:42.560
<v Speaker 2>uh right, and and these masters. Oh I know this

1502
01:25:42.640 --> 01:25:45.039
<v Speaker 2>happened to me, and I did whatever this say is

1503
01:25:45.760 --> 01:25:48.239
<v Speaker 2>with Sam, what you're what you're describing. There was the

1504
01:25:48.239 --> 01:25:49.720
<v Speaker 2>gun trade, the drug trade, all these things.

1505
01:25:49.800 --> 01:25:52.600
<v Speaker 8>It's that this is the same formula, the same you

1506
01:25:52.640 --> 01:25:55.319
<v Speaker 8>know format we see time after time with the same

1507
01:25:55.359 --> 01:25:57.600
<v Speaker 8>ancient alien cargo cult foundation.

1508
01:25:58.479 --> 01:26:01.199
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, man, yeah, yeah, I think that. You know,

1509
01:26:02.479 --> 01:26:06.680
<v Speaker 2>it's it's very strange because like when it when when

1510
01:26:06.720 --> 01:26:13.159
<v Speaker 2>you see that what these masters were Oh man, yeah,

1511
01:26:13.199 --> 01:26:16.479
<v Speaker 2>that there's a there's another one too. There's a couple

1512
01:26:16.479 --> 01:26:19.920
<v Speaker 2>of different renditions, but they're all very very similar, and.

1513
01:26:21.720 --> 01:26:23.119
<v Speaker 9>I've seen before, I'm sure neck.

1514
01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:31.640
<v Speaker 2>My god, but it is crazy because apparently what they

1515
01:26:31.800 --> 01:26:36.880
<v Speaker 2>were claiming, these masters were basically souls and uh and

1516
01:26:37.319 --> 01:26:41.560
<v Speaker 2>you you could occasionally manifest, uh as far as these

1517
01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:45.800
<v Speaker 2>these ascended masters could could Basically they would occasionally manifest

1518
01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:52.800
<v Speaker 2>themselves in corp corporeal form, right, yeah, and.

1519
01:26:52.720 --> 01:26:56.119
<v Speaker 8>So that was where Germaine, right, that's the big one. Right,

1520
01:26:56.159 --> 01:26:58.760
<v Speaker 8>They're like, he keeps coming back because that's their belief system.

1521
01:26:58.560 --> 01:27:01.680
<v Speaker 2>Right at the exactly Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's it's

1522
01:27:01.720 --> 01:27:06.239
<v Speaker 2>super crazy because it basically this is where they would

1523
01:27:06.319 --> 01:27:09.159
<v Speaker 2>have the special effects come into play with the with

1524
01:27:09.239 --> 01:27:13.039
<v Speaker 2>these underground chambers that the temple members would would gather

1525
01:27:13.159 --> 01:27:17.880
<v Speaker 2>and and privileged members could be granted. Uh. Basically I

1526
01:27:17.880 --> 01:27:18.800
<v Speaker 2>can respect.

1527
01:27:18.479 --> 01:27:20.239
<v Speaker 8>The performative nature of that at least, right, I mean,

1528
01:27:20.239 --> 01:27:22.439
<v Speaker 8>at least they put some effort into They weren't half assed,

1529
01:27:22.439 --> 01:27:24.039
<v Speaker 8>and they took a.

1530
01:27:23.520 --> 01:27:27.239
<v Speaker 2>Care, especially if you're on a sedatives and psychedelics or

1531
01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:29.319
<v Speaker 2>something at the same time and you're sort of like

1532
01:27:29.680 --> 01:27:32.000
<v Speaker 2>in and out. People pay good money for that. All

1533
01:27:32.319 --> 01:27:33.359
<v Speaker 2>people pay good money for that.

1534
01:27:33.680 --> 01:27:37.840
<v Speaker 7>Confusing me, It's like, if you've already given them ro hypnol.

1535
01:27:38.079 --> 01:27:39.960
<v Speaker 7>Why do you then need to give them the doc

1536
01:27:40.159 --> 01:27:43.840
<v Speaker 7>strap to like their heart what?

1537
01:27:43.960 --> 01:27:46.720
<v Speaker 3>Yes, the real hypnol will slow your heart rate is

1538
01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:51.760
<v Speaker 3>very similar to xanax. And then the cardiac indication for

1539
01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:55.279
<v Speaker 3>the dejockson has a really small therapeutic window. So if

1540
01:27:55.279 --> 01:27:57.560
<v Speaker 3>you give that in too much of a dose, which

1541
01:27:57.560 --> 01:28:01.079
<v Speaker 3>it could have been given IV or in liquid form,

1542
01:28:01.119 --> 01:28:04.159
<v Speaker 3>pill form, whatever, after they were already woozy from the

1543
01:28:04.239 --> 01:28:07.560
<v Speaker 3>row hypnol, then they it just makes your heart stop.

1544
01:28:07.640 --> 01:28:08.319
<v Speaker 9>You just go to bed.

1545
01:28:08.640 --> 01:28:12.520
<v Speaker 7>Why so why is this the drink that they were drinking,

1546
01:28:13.239 --> 01:28:15.439
<v Speaker 7>Because it's like, why do you didn't need to poison

1547
01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:17.079
<v Speaker 7>them and then burn them on.

1548
01:28:17.039 --> 01:28:18.800
<v Speaker 6>Top of that burning?

1549
01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:19.800
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

1550
01:28:20.079 --> 01:28:22.800
<v Speaker 9>Yeah, but the poisoning, I mean maybe they were used

1551
01:28:22.800 --> 01:28:23.039
<v Speaker 9>to it.

1552
01:28:23.079 --> 01:28:25.720
<v Speaker 3>Maybe they were like ready for their party because they're

1553
01:28:25.800 --> 01:28:29.479
<v Speaker 3>used to seeing these ascended masters with drugs.

1554
01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:36.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, is that what we're talking about? The drug they said.

1555
01:28:37.439 --> 01:28:41.279
<v Speaker 2>The alleged story here is that the burning was was

1556
01:28:41.880 --> 01:28:45.560
<v Speaker 2>in direct as far as it was directly symbolizing the

1557
01:28:45.600 --> 01:28:49.399
<v Speaker 2>fifty four martyred templars from the thirteen hundred.

1558
01:28:49.119 --> 01:28:51.479
<v Speaker 6>From Friday the thirteen yea.

1559
01:28:56.279 --> 01:29:00.000
<v Speaker 8>And by the way, the boy which again if I'm

1560
01:29:00.520 --> 01:29:02.640
<v Speaker 8>speaks to this society that when when I saw that

1561
01:29:02.680 --> 01:29:04.279
<v Speaker 8>theology and again I looked at the guy's history.

1562
01:29:04.359 --> 01:29:05.840
<v Speaker 2>I that's when I started.

1563
01:29:05.520 --> 01:29:08.960
<v Speaker 8>Going deep into the Jerray situation with the Society of Cincinnati,

1564
01:29:09.000 --> 01:29:12.239
<v Speaker 8>because the Society of the Cincinnati literally is the modern day

1565
01:29:12.319 --> 01:29:15.159
<v Speaker 8>Nights Templar. They are the descendants of the Templar, and

1566
01:29:15.199 --> 01:29:16.880
<v Speaker 8>they are a modern day knighthood.

1567
01:29:17.600 --> 01:29:19.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to have to do an episode on that

1568
01:29:20.079 --> 01:29:24.199
<v Speaker 2>organization because I did one on the Pilgrim Society and

1569
01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:28.640
<v Speaker 2>the Anglo American establishment, and I couldn't well.

1570
01:29:28.399 --> 01:29:32.000
<v Speaker 8>If I made a hereditary member of the Society of

1571
01:29:32.000 --> 01:29:36.640
<v Speaker 8>the Cincinnati, a US cender from Mississippi. I believe it's

1572
01:29:36.680 --> 01:29:38.000
<v Speaker 8>founded the Pilgrim Society.

1573
01:29:38.199 --> 01:29:43.319
<v Speaker 2>So god, dude, oh my god, it's just so crazy.

1574
01:29:43.560 --> 01:29:46.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, this is never ending, but everything tends to

1575
01:29:46.760 --> 01:29:50.359
<v Speaker 2>overlap at this level of research. It's so interesting as

1576
01:29:50.399 --> 01:29:51.079
<v Speaker 2>far for sure.

1577
01:29:51.199 --> 01:29:53.800
<v Speaker 8>But I think that's why we see the Templar stuff.

1578
01:29:53.800 --> 01:29:56.119
<v Speaker 8>You see what I'm saying, like, this is a generational

1579
01:29:56.159 --> 01:29:59.319
<v Speaker 8>This is getting passed down to folks like Jerre here, right.

1580
01:29:59.239 --> 01:30:01.319
<v Speaker 6>Who's got me share screen?

1581
01:30:02.880 --> 01:30:05.199
<v Speaker 2>That's right. We don't stare, we don't stare into this logan.

1582
01:30:05.319 --> 01:30:06.479
<v Speaker 6>No, I was just gonna.

1583
01:30:06.239 --> 01:30:08.199
<v Speaker 2>Say, look at it.

1584
01:30:08.880 --> 01:30:09.600
<v Speaker 6>I know JJ.

1585
01:30:09.760 --> 01:30:13.159
<v Speaker 7>I was gonna say, if you can pull it up,

1586
01:30:13.760 --> 01:30:18.600
<v Speaker 7>you can call the videos on on YouTube of their rituals.

1587
01:30:19.039 --> 01:30:20.640
<v Speaker 6>They're available on YouTube.

1588
01:30:21.199 --> 01:30:22.960
<v Speaker 2>It's crazy foot, right.

1589
01:30:23.359 --> 01:30:23.600
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

1590
01:30:23.880 --> 01:30:26.359
<v Speaker 5>Actually, I don't know video and stuff. I might actually

1591
01:30:26.439 --> 01:30:28.359
<v Speaker 5>I have videos. I just don't know what they are,

1592
01:30:28.439 --> 01:30:31.359
<v Speaker 5>but I have ripped videos from even when I covered

1593
01:30:31.359 --> 01:30:32.039
<v Speaker 5>this the first time.

1594
01:30:33.640 --> 01:30:35.880
<v Speaker 7>Important for people if you could pull it up to

1595
01:30:35.960 --> 01:30:39.800
<v Speaker 7>see because it's so ritualistic in nature, the colors, the

1596
01:30:39.800 --> 01:30:44.720
<v Speaker 7>the garb, they stepping up to this altar and do

1597
01:30:44.880 --> 01:30:47.479
<v Speaker 7>I can't believe it's on YouTube. Actually, it's kind of

1598
01:30:47.479 --> 01:30:49.159
<v Speaker 7>freaking Yeah.

1599
01:30:49.439 --> 01:30:50.960
<v Speaker 8>I did not know any of these things, right, but

1600
01:30:50.960 --> 01:30:53.199
<v Speaker 8>I'd be wonder be it interested to see the comparisons

1601
01:30:53.239 --> 01:30:56.520
<v Speaker 8>to some of these other Knights, Temple, Catholic, you know,

1602
01:30:56.760 --> 01:30:58.159
<v Speaker 8>influences on these rituals.

1603
01:30:58.279 --> 01:31:00.960
<v Speaker 6>Well, it looks like a hybrid mix both of those things.

1604
01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:07.680
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, they've got capes and hoods and gloos.

1605
01:31:07.760 --> 01:31:12.560
<v Speaker 8>Martin Martinists, Yeah, oh yeah, they were at well, if

1606
01:31:12.560 --> 01:31:15.279
<v Speaker 8>you recall the Martinists, the Society, the French chapter of

1607
01:31:15.319 --> 01:31:17.680
<v Speaker 8>the Society, the Grand orient Lodge, and the Martinists all

1608
01:31:17.720 --> 01:31:18.840
<v Speaker 8>have an epicenter there with.

1609
01:31:20.439 --> 01:31:23.239
<v Speaker 2>His names escaped me. I think the air of the

1610
01:31:23.439 --> 01:31:25.680
<v Speaker 2>I think he was the air of the Swedish.

1611
01:31:25.279 --> 01:31:27.039
<v Speaker 8>Throne, if I remember correctly, the guy I'm thinking of

1612
01:31:27.119 --> 01:31:29.279
<v Speaker 8>it least, I said, I'll have to get back to

1613
01:31:29.560 --> 01:31:30.840
<v Speaker 8>I think I sent you know on the last week,

1614
01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:32.159
<v Speaker 8>but I've already forgotten what it was too.

1615
01:31:32.279 --> 01:31:35.560
<v Speaker 9>So well, and not that the Martinists of nowadays are

1616
01:31:35.720 --> 01:31:37.479
<v Speaker 9>like this, I just want to clarify. I don't know

1617
01:31:37.560 --> 01:31:37.960
<v Speaker 9>what they do.

1618
01:31:38.319 --> 01:31:41.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I know their theology, but here's and everything

1619
01:31:41.760 --> 01:31:45.560
<v Speaker 3>gets perverted. So but they are a solemonic practicing sect.

1620
01:31:46.159 --> 01:31:50.399
<v Speaker 3>So that's important because they actually practice magic. And one

1621
01:31:50.479 --> 01:31:53.279
<v Speaker 3>of the days that they practice and call down these

1622
01:31:53.319 --> 01:31:57.520
<v Speaker 3>spirits is the Spring equinox, which is right close to

1623
01:31:57.600 --> 01:31:59.079
<v Speaker 3>when the second event happened.

1624
01:31:59.119 --> 01:32:03.119
<v Speaker 8>So I not, you know, really interesting, right when the

1625
01:32:03.159 --> 01:32:05.520
<v Speaker 8>Heaven's Gate I was caught that trip. To Haley's comment

1626
01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:10.800
<v Speaker 8>on the spring notes exactly, yep, my god, that is

1627
01:32:10.960 --> 01:32:12.920
<v Speaker 8>that is just like Jorra.

1628
01:32:13.479 --> 01:32:16.159
<v Speaker 2>By the way, like both both Demembro and je Ray

1629
01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:19.960
<v Speaker 2>claimed to be reincarnations, right like of these of these

1630
01:32:20.039 --> 01:32:23.960
<v Speaker 2>insane like Gray himself said he was Saint Bernard of

1631
01:32:24.119 --> 01:32:30.319
<v Speaker 2>Clairval and uh right, and yeah, and the founder of it, Yeah,

1632
01:32:30.439 --> 01:32:33.439
<v Speaker 2>the founder himself, which is just crazy. But but and

1633
01:32:33.520 --> 01:32:38.479
<v Speaker 2>then Demembro he claimed past incarnations like that they could

1634
01:32:38.680 --> 01:32:43.359
<v Speaker 2>basically they were reincarnations of multiple entities, including one of

1635
01:32:43.439 --> 01:32:48.079
<v Speaker 2>the Egyptian pharaohs, and one of Jesus' twelve disciples was

1636
01:32:48.359 --> 01:32:53.359
<v Speaker 2>was another one that he legitimately claimed, and he said

1637
01:32:53.399 --> 01:32:56.640
<v Speaker 2>that he was also somehow at the very same time

1638
01:32:57.039 --> 01:32:59.880
<v Speaker 2>the Roman soldier who pierced Jesus' side at the crucifix

1639
01:33:01.279 --> 01:33:05.039
<v Speaker 2>and away skills. He's very prolific man, this guy. Yeah,

1640
01:33:05.159 --> 01:33:10.760
<v Speaker 2>no ship and uh what it also obviously de Mambro

1641
01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:15.039
<v Speaker 2>himself claimed to be one of the ascended masters. Monotonous,

1642
01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>I think is the name of that ascended master. But

1643
01:33:20.399 --> 01:33:23.119
<v Speaker 2>it's it's very strange that that clearly you had like

1644
01:33:23.279 --> 01:33:27.159
<v Speaker 2>this this you know, as I mentioned, you had like

1645
01:33:27.239 --> 01:33:30.399
<v Speaker 2>a pay to play system where like these these wealthier

1646
01:33:30.479 --> 01:33:33.239
<v Speaker 2>individuals and within the cult would pay for the they

1647
01:33:33.439 --> 01:33:35.960
<v Speaker 2>to become privileged members and you would get you would

1648
01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:40.319
<v Speaker 2>get specifically kind of like rituals tailored toward you, you know,

1649
01:33:40.479 --> 01:33:44.399
<v Speaker 2>in various ways. But but also you would be given

1650
01:33:44.520 --> 01:33:48.880
<v Speaker 2>this opportunity to witness these epiphanies from the ascended masters

1651
01:33:49.439 --> 01:33:52.960
<v Speaker 2>uh and and uh and the visions right that apparently

1652
01:33:53.600 --> 01:33:57.239
<v Speaker 2>would would be provided to to the initiates or the

1653
01:33:57.279 --> 01:34:01.239
<v Speaker 2>initiated members right and and apparently this.

1654
01:34:01.399 --> 01:34:01.920
<v Speaker 5>Is when the.

1655
01:34:07.079 --> 01:34:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Closure eyes look into the darkness, find the blazing star.

1656
01:34:22.159 --> 01:34:27.359
<v Speaker 1>Hold on to it, Let it become the eclipse.

1657
01:34:31.399 --> 01:34:33.319
<v Speaker 2>Don't feel.

1658
01:34:36.920 --> 01:34:45.439
<v Speaker 1>Let the show will begin in death. There sh