Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen.
Speaker 2: What What's going to happen?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 4: I bet client.
Speaker 5: Welcome to the Occult Rejects in this episode. I got
Speaker 5: a bunch of as well, a few of us. Yeah,
Speaker 5: and we got Austin Wayne Picard joining us today. Very excited,
Speaker 5: very exciting, and uh yeah, we're gonna be talking about
Speaker 5: the Solar Temple. Uh. That was actually a topic that
Speaker 5: I'll even admit I had recorded with a couple of
Speaker 5: the other rejects on the show and just never put
Speaker 5: it out because we didn't need it a part two
Speaker 5: and it was just too much shit for me to
Speaker 5: get involved with. And I came of course Austin. I
Speaker 5: was like, fuck, I'll just revisit it and have him
Speaker 5: do it. So yeah, and Julia has also covered it herself,
Speaker 5: so I was like, why do not get them both on?
Speaker 5: We could just do the show that way. So we
Speaker 5: got Julia from Cosmic Peacha joining us. What is going on, Julia?
Speaker 5: How are you?
Speaker 6: What's up?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 7: We just recently did a little bit of a Coult
Speaker 7: episode me and my husband Colby, So solar Temple was
Speaker 7: not one that we mentioned in this episode. But I'm
Speaker 7: very excited to get into it today and obviously Cosmic
Speaker 7: Peach podcast wherever you listen to podcasts.
Speaker 6: Excited to be here, awesome, Hell yeah, thank you.
Speaker 5: And we got JJ Vance with us today. What is
Speaker 5: going on, sir Hawai.
Speaker 8: Nick Greggy, Sir, I appreciate the invice always, Julia and
Speaker 8: he always great to join your fellow cult rechecks for
Speaker 8: a conversation on colts especially especially and also wait for
Speaker 8: card greeting, sir, welcome back to another conversation here. I
Speaker 8: always enjoy of the barn burner conversations we have here,
Speaker 8: including we've already started out here in the pre show today.
Speaker 8: But JJ Vance host of Operations GCD and not the
Speaker 8: vice president and look for the conversation.
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, hell yeah, thank you very much man. And
Speaker 5: we got Heidi from Under well sorry whatever, Heidi, go ahead,
Speaker 5: Heidi love.
Speaker 9: Unfiltered, Thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: I'm glad to be back and happy to be here
Speaker 3: with all the occult rejects. Happy to see you Nick,
Speaker 3: and nice to meet you Austin. I am at Unfiltered
Speaker 3: Rice podcast wherever you get your podcasts, check me out.
Speaker 5: Hell yeah, thank you very much. And we were supposed
Speaker 5: to have Ricardo on with us today. If he doesn't
Speaker 5: make it, I'll just plug it anyway. Ricardo from Natural Philosophy.
Speaker 5: I think maybe I might have screwed up the timing
Speaker 5: or something, but yeah, he was supposed to join us.
Speaker 5: He may jump in in case he does, and I
Speaker 5: don't want to introduce interrupt the show. I just plugged
Speaker 5: this stuff right this, We were good. And then finally
Speaker 5: to the guests himself, somebody that after I had him
Speaker 5: on Fridays, was like, I definitely got to get this
Speaker 5: man on the show. And again, like I said, he
Speaker 5: covered the Solo Temple, and I would assume if he
Speaker 5: covered it like other topics I've seen him cover, he
Speaker 5: probably did a really fucking good job. So here we are, Austin.
Speaker 5: What is going on? So let everybody know and may
Speaker 5: not know who you are yet where they can find
Speaker 5: your work.
Speaker 2: I appreciate you guys, honestly for having me on, just
Speaker 2: being willing to have another one of these conversations right
Speaker 2: where we kind of I don't know, find ourselves in
Speaker 2: this sort of just very much unexpected underground network of
Speaker 2: seemingly like so much of the connection seem to bridge
Speaker 2: at this intersection with right Cleindesteine operations, occult organizations, and
Speaker 2: in this deliberate sort of in my mind, there's always
Speaker 2: some sort of intelligence apparatus involved in sort of the
Speaker 2: cult organization's aspect of things. But anyway, the point before
Speaker 2: I get into the OTS, I should introduce myself, so everybody,
Speaker 2: I started the Underclass podcast, and like I believe, it
Speaker 2: was April of twenty twenty three, so it's still, I
Speaker 2: feel like, very much in its infancy. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: don't know, I never expected to find myself here, to
Speaker 2: be honest, because I did begin my very first episode
Speaker 2: with Operation MK Ultra. So it makes a lot of
Speaker 2: sense now in hindsight, right that I would find myself
Speaker 2: in this position as far as many of the different
Speaker 2: subjects and topics that I've been kind of overexposed to now,
Speaker 2: which I don't know. You can never really be too
Speaker 2: over exposed to this because there are so many deep
Speaker 2: layered connections to all these these basically criminal enterprises that
Speaker 2: are seemingly being facilitated, propped up and and and yeah
Speaker 2: and covered up as well after the fact. But anyway,
Speaker 2: point being, I'm always tending to kind of dive deeper
Speaker 2: into the alternative theories to a lot of these, you know,
Speaker 2: very much recent historical scandals that have I think been
Speaker 2: misrepresented by design, right, and and uh in order to
Speaker 2: sort of, uh keep the veil in place in terms
Speaker 2: of right, just kind of just the average individual, you know,
Speaker 2: and the ideologically subverted and imprisoned individual who seems to
Speaker 2: not be able to see straight due to partisan politics
Speaker 2: and the two party delusion. They're very much, you know,
Speaker 2: falling victim to right, this this sort of manufactured trap.
Speaker 2: And so I'm just documentaries exactly exactly bearing the lead
Speaker 2: limited hangouts part of the magic show, right, the propaganda
Speaker 2: campaign we're all subjected to.
Speaker 5: Right, Sometimes I think it's actually promoting the cults more
Speaker 5: than if anything. Yeah, I think it's more of like
Speaker 5: gets probably more people interested in looking into it in
Speaker 5: the fucked.
Speaker 8: Up way than actually you know, hm, well, I like
Speaker 8: your pen post on your twixter profile. They're Austin from
Speaker 8: from the CIA director Ron Reagan, if you you don't
Speaker 8: mind sharing that one.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, If everything the American public believes is false, right,
Speaker 2: that that is the that is when their disinformation campaign
Speaker 2: will be complete, is yeah, And that is exactly where
Speaker 2: we're at, right, and I just think they're they've kind
Speaker 2: of overachieved in more ways than one, in my mind,
Speaker 2: and I think that honestly, it's so as far as
Speaker 2: just the tools they have in place to facilitate these
Speaker 2: agendas and and kind of pursue the dystopian totalitarian tiptoe.
Speaker 2: It's just it's it's on this kind of repeating cycle
Speaker 2: where unfortunately, as I mentioned, the average person can't seem
Speaker 2: to interpret this in real time, right, And so it's just, uh,
Speaker 2: they're they're in this over emotional, reactive state of mind,
Speaker 2: you know, And I think that's that's always being exploited
Speaker 2: and leveraged against them. And and that's why I feel
Speaker 2: very much as if and the reason I named my
Speaker 2: podcast the Underclass was just because I felt entirely disillusioned
Speaker 2: by the process just in general, and and and and
Speaker 2: then philosophically, I just fell out of the the idea
Speaker 2: that I even would would, uh, you know, want representation.
Speaker 2: But you know what I mean, It's just like, at
Speaker 2: a certain point, I would just prefer to attempt to
Speaker 2: pursue like some sort of individual sovereignty as much as
Speaker 2: I personally can at a right at a at a
Speaker 2: at a just like in real terms that I can
Speaker 2: apply with as far as just outlining your core principles
Speaker 2: matters more than anything. And I think, uh, again, that's
Speaker 2: why I'm super grateful that I have opportunities like this
Speaker 2: like minded individuals where I don't feel so isolated in
Speaker 2: my ideas and and uh and and that that's what
Speaker 2: drove me to start the show more than anything was was. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wanted to continue to grow and learn more about
Speaker 2: these things and and but present them in a way
Speaker 2: that I felt like. I would listen to other shows
Speaker 2: and listen to certain uh you know, just investigative deep
Speaker 2: dives on some of these topics, and I always wanted
Speaker 2: to somehow, you know, how how can I like, I
Speaker 2: wanted to bridge the gap on certain areas where I
Speaker 2: wanted to provide credibility more to the the you know,
Speaker 2: conspiracy aspect of things where people seem to you know,
Speaker 2: dismiss things more at face value. I want to kind
Speaker 2: of like reinforce the ideas in a credible way as
Speaker 2: much as I possibly can, with providing context and a
Speaker 2: comprehensive outline. Hopefully that will reinforce and reiterate a lot
Speaker 2: of this corroborating evidence, right, and then it almost becomes undeniable,
Speaker 2: And you're not just sitting there making these claims and right,
Speaker 2: and allegations and and and and that are kind of
Speaker 2: just you know, not at all backed by by as
Speaker 2: far as like, I'm not saying that that you know it,
Speaker 2: just as far as I'm concerned, there is so much
Speaker 2: truth to a lot of these alternative theories that I
Speaker 2: just would like to bolster a lot of that evidence
Speaker 2: as much as I possibly can. And I'm more than anything,
Speaker 2: I'm appealed to. What appeals to me is the plight
Speaker 2: of you know, unfortunately the most vulnerable among us, right,
Speaker 2: and that tends to be just like the complete and
Speaker 2: total abuse of and sadistic abuse of children, right, And
Speaker 2: and so that tends to be involved in more ways
Speaker 2: than one and many of these occult organizations. And that
Speaker 2: also happens to come up in the order of the
Speaker 2: Solar Temple, right, wouldn't you know.
Speaker 5: I'm just going to ask you, how did you get
Speaker 5: to the Solar Temple? When you were done?
Speaker 2: Who? So I did my jonestown episode and that was
Speaker 2: that's kind of what like launched me further into Now
Speaker 2: I knew of Franklin, and I knew The Finders really
Speaker 2: was the one that I was just like, what have
Speaker 2: what has happened here? Right? Like this is legitimately. I
Speaker 2: just took what what Ted Gunderson had to say about
Speaker 2: The Finders and uh, I honestly, it's a lot of
Speaker 2: and I will say, I think there's a point to
Speaker 2: be made as far as questioning the credibility and of
Speaker 2: certain individuals. But I have no like Tederson, like Ted
Speaker 2: guns everybody. Yeah, obviously Ted Gunderson former head.
Speaker 8: Of Right exactly who thought he was gonna be the
Speaker 8: FBI director aftercover.
Speaker 2: Right for sure? But you know I discovered right this
Speaker 2: alleged mass hysteria, satanic panic, right, and in reality, I
Speaker 2: was unaware of the fact that there was clearly much
Speaker 2: more to that than as far as legitimately, there are
Speaker 2: obviously real examples of satanic ritual abuse that was conducted.
Speaker 2: I mean, people like to talk about mc martin uh
Speaker 2: and dismiss, dismiss that case, But my god, man, I
Speaker 2: mean you look at at I mean the presidio right
Speaker 2: in San Francisco, and you see what was happening. It
Speaker 2: wasn't just McMartin and Manhattan Beach. You know this, This
Speaker 2: was more than one child care facility that was being
Speaker 2: entirely exploited, and and they had underground tunnels connecting to
Speaker 2: uh neighboring properties. And this was all filled in with
Speaker 2: a foreign dirt source that was then legitimately revealed later
Speaker 2: on with with actual experts who went and did a
Speaker 2: professional dig. And it's just whenever the you're talking.
Speaker 6: About the underground tunnels in.
Speaker 8: The McMartin preschool, Yeah, I think I think you had
Speaker 8: a very salient characteristic there in the satanic panic nonsense,
Speaker 8: and when you said it wasn't just persidio, and when
Speaker 8: then I think mcmartin's kind of role it is legitimate.
Speaker 8: I'm not saying that, but I think it's also used
Speaker 8: for a passion in which to bastardized this entire narrative.
Speaker 8: Right afuse everybody, because you you're right, it wasn't just prosidio.
Speaker 8: So I've tracked seven other Army daycare centers at the
Speaker 8: very same time the runder scandals, such as West Point
Speaker 8: YEP exactly at the same.
Speaker 2: Time, I know, and I covered a little bit of
Speaker 2: the West Point scandal as well. It was it's one
Speaker 2: of the most disturbing cases. Man, just like the presidio
Speaker 2: and we're talking the.
Speaker 8: Army IG's office, would just you know, you know, just
Speaker 8: look the other way when you have I mean, I
Speaker 8: think it's ever it does, and I have at least
Speaker 8: seven right now besides Persidio, so at the very same time,
Speaker 8: so you know, and there's all it's the same, it's
Speaker 8: the same pattern behavior and at the base, it never
Speaker 8: goes past the base level, right, it never goes above
Speaker 8: that that installation, Commander.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and so looking into Presidio and McMartin led you
Speaker 7: to the solar.
Speaker 2: I'm telling you this. It's it's so essentially when when
Speaker 2: I found Jonestown and I realized that Congressman le O'Ryan's aide,
Speaker 2: William Holsinger, essentially he had made a claim that he
Speaker 2: feared that there was the CIA might have been running
Speaker 2: a covert operation at Jonestown that so sinister it would
Speaker 2: shock even hardened CIA watchdogs and Holsinger in nineteen eighty right,
Speaker 2: he says that he'd already discovered Richard Dwyer's presence at Jonestown,
Speaker 2: who was the CIA asset and clearly a CIA operative,
Speaker 2: who was not only at Port Callyum airstrip when Congressman
Speaker 2: le O'Ryan was executed by the Red Brigade and what
Speaker 2: was described as like robot assassins under mind control who
Speaker 2: went down there, and Larry Layton was the individual the
Speaker 2: only one who ever got charged. And this dude, you know,
Speaker 2: legitimately he was under mind control and had connections to
Speaker 2: his father ran. Basically this he was running the psychological
Speaker 2: warfare program as far as the medical aspect of it
Speaker 2: at oh shit, I forget the actual location, but I
Speaker 2: don't want to get too much into Jonestown. The point
Speaker 2: being here is just that basically this a professor sent
Speaker 2: from UC Berkeley sent a he sent a paper called
Speaker 2: the Penal Colony to William Holsinger. After all this occurred
Speaker 2: in seventy eight, I believed, is when they all the
Speaker 2: alleged mass suicide took place, which is another perfect example, right,
Speaker 2: because we're this is what we're supposed to consider the
Speaker 2: OTS as a doomsday cult, right, and that committed mass
Speaker 2: suicide and revolutionary mass suicide, which is just it's just laughable.
Speaker 5: That difficultes details.
Speaker 8: Well, they forgot their purple you know, their purple robes
Speaker 8: and their black nikes is the problem, I.
Speaker 2: Think, right, but yeah, multiple countries, right, and are involved
Speaker 2: and and you know it gets it's it's extraordinary as
Speaker 2: far as the details of this story, but in terms
Speaker 2: of the penal Colony paper, this detailed how the CIA
Speaker 2: mind control program mk Ultra was not stopped in seventy
Speaker 2: three but had been driven underground, right and not as
Speaker 2: so the CIA had told Congress obviously they stopped they
Speaker 2: stopped him Kulture in nineteen seventy three, but.
Speaker 8: Instead it was back that first second there also, you
Speaker 8: don't mind it like when we say the CI told
Speaker 8: Congress something that was a pretty similar event, and not
Speaker 8: only our American government but also in you know, with
Speaker 8: this within the CIA hierarchy, there were a lot of
Speaker 8: folks got fired after that, and no one really discovered
Speaker 8: anything because when Congress said, right, if Congress said, bring
Speaker 8: in the paperwork there to the director of whose names is.
Speaker 2: Richard I know, but but Richard Helms, for sure he
Speaker 2: ordered the destruction of the thousands of of of files
Speaker 2: and so we will never know after he was.
Speaker 8: Told to bring it into Congress. Right, and do you
Speaker 8: ever get did you ever get hell accountable for that?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. No, no, and and that's uh, you know,
Speaker 2: it's people don't realize that Watergate happened around this time
Speaker 2: as well, right, it wasn't it, and so uh ye
Speaker 2: had Watergate.
Speaker 8: And then we get in the four, we get the
Speaker 8: Ford Nelson Rockefeller administration, and then yeah, and then Ford
Speaker 8: fires everybody in November seventy five because two manson girls
Speaker 8: has happened to almost make Nelson Rockefeller the president of
Speaker 8: September of seventy five between two different assassinate mind control
Speaker 8: assassination attempts on forward three weeks apart in California. And
Speaker 8: then Ford fires everybody, and then we get I don't
Speaker 8: think Ford now necessarily maybe he did, but I don't
Speaker 8: think he did. You think he was kind of dumb.
Speaker 8: Then we get George Bushes, you know, we get George
Speaker 8: Bush and the CIA. So I think that that whole
Speaker 8: transitionary period within that like you know, two year period
Speaker 8: of the seventies is fucking weird.
Speaker 2: It's strange as hell, and I'm telling you, and as
Speaker 2: far as you know, obviously mk Ultra was driven underground,
Speaker 2: but I mean the same goes for like people act
Speaker 2: as if Operation Mockingbirds cease to exist, like, I mean,
Speaker 2: that's clearly not the case, right, I mean, the mainstream
Speaker 2: media has been entirely right, just subverted for for generations,
Speaker 2: and and this is why we have to reside in
Speaker 2: the alternative media landscape. It's up to people like us
Speaker 2: to have any real conversation and probably below the surface
Speaker 2: at any real level, to actually uh, you know, provide
Speaker 2: some context to any of this. But yeah, so the
Speaker 2: what I found most interesting about this point though, then
Speaker 2: the reason I brought it up was just because it
Speaker 2: reported that merely it was basically driven into public hospitals
Speaker 2: and prisons, and but it was more so they they started,
Speaker 2: they began to prioritize after seventy three the secure confines
Speaker 2: of these religious cults, and Holsinger believed along with this
Speaker 2: penal colony UC Professor, UC Berkeley Professor that Jonestown obviously
Speaker 2: was one of these cults that were firmly uh you know,
Speaker 2: as far as in in terms of just being affiliated
Speaker 2: with Project MK Ultra, obviously we're a major part and
Speaker 2: that you know, it makes all the sense in the
Speaker 2: world in my opinion, right as far as if you
Speaker 2: think about what Colonel bo Gritz had to say, about Jonestown.
Speaker 2: It's very interesting because he was grits, bo grits.
Speaker 8: Oh Man, I just got I just got educate on
Speaker 8: some bo grits your day. How deep he was in
Speaker 8: the operation pat.
Speaker 2: Con stuff, oh man, grit so former green Bray, you know,
Speaker 2: as far as U S Army Special Forces officer, I
Speaker 2: think even trained the Afghan muja Hadeen in domestic and
Speaker 2: the domestic US on black site. There you go, and
Speaker 2: and he's listed, he's listed heavily in the pack on documents,
Speaker 2: is one of the redacted names.
Speaker 4: Of course, that's why that's why I was up there
Speaker 4: in ruby Bridge. There you go the pat operation and
Speaker 4: and bo Gritz is up there as the negotiator with
Speaker 4: with Randy Weaver, who I read this crazy ass uh
Speaker 4: story about how potentially you know, this Paul Wilcher report
Speaker 4: was saying that, and that was sent to Attorney General
Speaker 4: Janet Reno at the time. And then Paul Wilcher was
Speaker 4: effectively assassinated and he was he was a journalist that
Speaker 4: was on the White House press team even for a time,
Speaker 4: and and like that he was executed.
Speaker 2: His body was then moved and then he was and
Speaker 2: obviously they claimed he committed suicide, but his bowels had
Speaker 2: been released at at a separate location. They claimed that
Speaker 2: he was he committed suicide on his own toilet, and uh,
Speaker 2: that just did not happen.
Speaker 8: And know that case, that sounds very interesting because Mary
Speaker 8: Garland was her number two number.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, dude. But you know what this dude said.
Speaker 2: He said, this is all around the time of Danny
Speaker 2: Castilero's octopus, right, and he said, uh, I know just
Speaker 2: as much, if not more than Danny did. And this
Speaker 2: is and this is right before his death. And uh
Speaker 2: he was talking to Uh it's a real crazy name.
Speaker 2: Who was this guy again? Can you spell his name
Speaker 2: for him? Room? Paul Wilcher, Paul Wilcher, Yeah, that's his name.
Speaker 8: It's Paul and w I L C H E I.
Speaker 8: And you know the sha for folks to look at
Speaker 8: here with some of the stuff, please continue.
Speaker 2: Looker Russbacher, all right, is the CIA operative covert operative
Speaker 2: that he was involved with having it as far as
Speaker 2: like who was providing him with many of these details,
Speaker 2: wasn't him alone, but he said gun to Russbacher said
Speaker 2: that he was being uh targeted prioritized because as far
Speaker 2: as being hung out to dry, but also they were
Speaker 2: potentially targeting him for assassination because he knew too much
Speaker 2: and was willing to blow the whistle. And he was
Speaker 2: allegedly the one who flew George Bush William Casey. There
Speaker 2: was a whole list of who was on the flight
Speaker 2: that he flew to Paris to for for it, because
Speaker 2: this was all about the October surprise and the hostage
Speaker 2: negotiation crisis. That right, and he claimed to be the
Speaker 2: covert operative who flew George Bush Sr. To Paris and
Speaker 2: along with all these other you know.
Speaker 8: Spooks and me Carter's cousin Barry Seal was too busy
Speaker 8: to fly him.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, Hey, Tosh Plumbley says that that story for
Speaker 2: Howard Hughes, right, didn't he get his star working for
Speaker 2: Howard Hughes, which, by the way, that they uh Nixon
Speaker 2: is the one who he basically triggered, so he called
Speaker 2: in Howard Hughes to essentially provide plausible deniability within the
Speaker 2: private sector and stage all of these domestic black sites
Speaker 2: within the US. And and that was that legitimately happened
Speaker 2: when Nixon was VP.
Speaker 9: He do you know who Nixon's godfather is?
Speaker 2: Who is it?
Speaker 9: Elmer Bops? Do you know who it is?
Speaker 5: Right?
Speaker 2: Oh my god?
Speaker 9: Yeah, just so you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, who has ties to Martha Belle Mitchell Knights
Speaker 3: of the Black Sun.
Speaker 9: It's pretty fun. That's a fun rabbit hole to go down.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I believe what what's what's the damn guy's name?
Speaker 2: Not only was it so Nixon had two individuals in
Speaker 2: his administration that were affiliated with P two, right, and yeah,
Speaker 2: so there's a circle, right, they were all connected in
Speaker 2: it goes right back to CC.
Speaker 8: I want to get to the P two Vatican Bank
Speaker 8: scan because the Vatican Bank was co owners with the
Speaker 8: CIA and b CCI. Back to this all the same
Speaker 8: traverting I just talked about to the OTS.
Speaker 5: Yeah, actually, there you go if OTS was founded in
Speaker 5: about nineteen eighty four, correcting around genevas with right, you.
Speaker 2: Think you think you can get us to the Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: for sure, man. So I think it's it's really interesting
Speaker 2: because the way I kind of describe the OTS when
Speaker 2: I did my episode on this was was it introduced
Speaker 2: me to much more of this in sort of the
Speaker 2: fashion of the market Troil case. This hidden surreptitious infrastructure
Speaker 2: intended to alter the political fabric of global society, right
Speaker 2: and this this, this draws in the Unholy Alliance aspect,
Speaker 2: right of of the organized crime syndicates, esoterica, cult, secret societies,
Speaker 2: clandestine global intelligence operations, right and and so, and the
Speaker 2: Kloak and Dagger methods. And that's what I believe is
Speaker 2: happening with the Order of the Solar Temple. But the
Speaker 2: way that we could really like kind of begin at
Speaker 2: the very least is introduced the fact that you know,
Speaker 2: the Solar Temple was considered to be just an esoteric
Speaker 2: new religious movement. The Secret Society described as as a
Speaker 2: doomsday cult, right, as I mentioned earlier, But it's most
Speaker 2: known for the mass deaths that occurred in all these
Speaker 2: incidents and throughout the nineties. And so they claimed to
Speaker 2: base their ideals off of the Knights Templar and incorporated
Speaker 2: this this strange mix of Rosicrucianism, theos A fee uh
Speaker 2: really like many different New Age ideas were involved, like
Speaker 2: even the Luciferian Internationale. I didn't realize the Green Order
Speaker 2: was involved.
Speaker 5: And real quick had to put you on the spot.
Speaker 5: Did you get these notes from a book? Is like
Speaker 5: what you just said was literally word for word from
Speaker 5: the thing I'm reading on my end same.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so no, this is this, that's crazy.
Speaker 5: We've both read the same book.
Speaker 2: The Order of the Solar Temple, Ordered the Temple Solare. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that had a lot of in that book. It's so good.
Speaker 2: But there's also two different books. One of them has
Speaker 2: barely even been translated from French, right, And that's what
Speaker 2: a lot of these different resource materials that have been
Speaker 2: provided on the ots entirely have you know, our are
Speaker 2: the same thing goes with with researching the Nazi occult
Speaker 2: aspect of things. You can't get a translated copy. It's
Speaker 2: very difficult, and I think that that's by design as well.
Speaker 2: It's kind of how they pay well, you know, resources
Speaker 2: that are very important, especially you think of like chet
Speaker 2: det Lunger's book the list on the Atlanta case, it's
Speaker 2: like four hundred bucks. And so that's just another example
Speaker 2: of how they kind of you know, it's.
Speaker 7: Well, you might find this interesting, but when I was
Speaker 7: doing my research on the Solar Temple, I actually came
Speaker 7: across the topic because old ass episode of Ancient Aliens
Speaker 7: came on and it was all about the fucking Solar Temple.
Speaker 7: They were saying that these assholes were communicating with extraterrestrial
Speaker 7: beings and yeah, a UFO cult that they that they
Speaker 7: were channeling and like doing all this stuff.
Speaker 6: And I was like, what is this ship?
Speaker 7: Because I know that ancient aliens has a way of
Speaker 7: portraying things that's kind of true but also kind of retarded.
Speaker 7: So I went and I did my own research into it,
Speaker 7: and it's kind of like what you guys are saying.
Speaker 7: There's like one or two books on it, not a
Speaker 7: lot of info, but I do know based on my
Speaker 7: research that they had like a big heart on for
Speaker 7: like Alice Bailey, and they were heavily influenced by like
Speaker 7: New Age esoteric kind of like merging Knights Templar and
Speaker 7: Alice Bailey and Rosicrucianism, like and they all fucked and
Speaker 7: had a hybrid baby that ended up killing.
Speaker 6: Itself at the end of the story, kind.
Speaker 2: Of exactly what it became with the Rosicrucians merged with
Speaker 2: the Knights Templar adopt this new age esoteric occult philosophy
Speaker 2: and frat aspects of not only Christianity but Free Masonry.
Speaker 2: They also believed sow yeah, and they believed in the
Speaker 2: spiritual over the secular traditions, is what they would say.
Speaker 2: And they even allegedly what they were preparing for was
Speaker 2: this uh uh, what they referred to as the Solar
Speaker 2: God king, all right, and and this was what members
Speaker 2: referred to as as like the Jesus Christ model, right,
Speaker 2: and and that essentially there was even mention of a
Speaker 2: what was an immaculate conception, right, which makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense as far as like one of these I
Speaker 2: forget the they basically abused this child, made made the
Speaker 2: child wear gloves and a helmet, and like all this
Speaker 2: weird ship. It was very strange. But are you.
Speaker 7: Talking about the one cult leader's daughter, they manuel.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh my god. That is by the way, they
Speaker 2: claim that there was a false prophet of one of
Speaker 2: the one of the other members had had a had
Speaker 2: a child and they were practicing this this insane cosmic
Speaker 2: coupling is what they called it, right, And so they
Speaker 2: would just like, no, you're no longer married, you're going
Speaker 2: to marry this person, and you're going to have a
Speaker 2: child with this person, and uh yeah. So it's also
Speaker 2: flames business jually.
Speaker 6: That you remember from my.
Speaker 5: The same ship.
Speaker 6: Twin Flames Poltish.
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly what does it take? You just outline the
Speaker 8: the orchestration and structure of this twin flames cold too
Speaker 8: as they're describing it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they took it, took it a piece off of
Speaker 5: these people.
Speaker 3: If anybody wants to look at the Valow case, it's
Speaker 3: also it's like it's the same thing.
Speaker 8: Interesting, That's what I'm saying a lot of times, I
Speaker 8: think these are extensions of the same network. They just
Speaker 8: you know, it's an egotistical driven, you know, environment where
Speaker 8: there's m right.
Speaker 5: Into these Maybe they try to produce these people themselves
Speaker 5: because they're easy to manipulate.
Speaker 2: Oh, what's that?
Speaker 5: Maybe they try to produce these people themselves because they're
Speaker 5: easy to manipulate me, Like, i mean, look at the Misians.
Speaker 5: Look at those people. They're all like fucking thinking this
Speaker 5: and that or something else.
Speaker 8: And I'm working on this right now. What you're saying
Speaker 8: right now, I have no doubt there is something too,
Speaker 8: because I'm quite confident Zizzion's father was a hippie out
Speaker 8: of a commune in California, Right yeah, I'm like this
Speaker 8: close to confirming that, right, Yeah, the weird, the weird
Speaker 8: AI professor Daddy's got up their University Alaska Fairbanks. And
Speaker 8: you know, I'm not diminishing the folks at University Alaska Fairbanks.
Speaker 8: You know two very creepy, creepy professors at the University
Speaker 8: Alaska Fairbanks, one of which is a Satanist, probably the
Speaker 8: only one probably.
Speaker 3: And you always want to look at the people that
Speaker 3: are taking care of these people, like Rockefeller, like Hughes.
Speaker 8: They're Mormon's usually generational, right, So I'm assuming the zipthorn
Speaker 8: got born into it right, just like all these Mormon
Speaker 8: families get born into it, right.
Speaker 3: Honey, Yep, yep, it's all the same thing. They just
Speaker 3: hit it. They hit it when I'm studying Onasas and
Speaker 3: he's going to come up. I'm sure I'll let Austin
Speaker 3: continue on. But Onasas pops up in the middle of
Speaker 3: all of this. Wow, that's why I said it everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, I'm not. I'm not shocked at all.
Speaker 2: I know that even the in total I believe it
Speaker 2: was seventy seven, which is a cult numerology in general, right,
Speaker 2: as far as the total number of deaths, and then
Speaker 2: the fifty four in Charleroi that was entirely based on
Speaker 2: the obviously what was I think it's important to realize
Speaker 2: that Jacques Brier and all these interesting connections to clearly
Speaker 2: the thirteen ten fifty four Knights, right, who had basically
Speaker 2: there was this arrest that happened in mass right King
Speaker 2: what was it, King Philip the fourth I believe of France,
Speaker 2: and essentially there was the Knights Templar had inspired all
Speaker 2: of this. These European rulers were essentially kind of cracking
Speaker 2: down on the Knights Templar at this time, right, and
Speaker 2: they basically martyred these fifty four Knights, and so then
Speaker 2: I guess four years after this happened where they're burned
Speaker 2: alive at the stake right in thirteen ten, it turns
Speaker 2: out that the Grand Master of the Order and provincial
Speaker 2: leader was also burned alive, right, And so those fires
Speaker 2: set or attempted by Solar Temple members during all the
Speaker 2: murder suicide incidents seemed to have been directly inspired by
Speaker 2: the fiery deaths of the original Templars, which makes a
Speaker 2: lot of sense as far as like at the very least,
Speaker 2: the what they were attempting to stage this as far
Speaker 2: as the framework of the narrative because in my mind,
Speaker 2: I don't believe that. Now we can get into the
Speaker 2: details of how the bodies were discovered and like the
Speaker 2: actual shot, you know, you can clearly see that many
Speaker 2: of them, most of them were obviously murdered, right, and
Speaker 2: others were potentially forced at gunpoint to just drink the poison, right,
Speaker 2: is essentially what had happened, And then their bodies were
Speaker 2: strategically arranged. They didn't fall like that in these geometric patterns.
Speaker 2: It clearly shows that in their symbolic and nature is
Speaker 2: well right with the and and and and and they
Speaker 2: were in what hideaways as well when they were discovered
Speaker 2: in this red room that had like a pentagram on
Speaker 2: the floor under an altar, which is just fascinating stuff,
Speaker 2: but I don't know that. And but beyond that, you
Speaker 2: have the sophisticated displays of holographic special effects, which one
Speaker 2: of the the members was an expert and and apparently
Speaker 2: had a Hollywood background in special effects and was providing
Speaker 2: these these uh and these displays right during their occult
Speaker 2: ritual performances. Essentially is what was happening where they would
Speaker 2: meet with the ascended masters. Okay, and the ascended masters
Speaker 2: would would come into it was basically Tupac holograms, right,
Speaker 2: but like the way before it's time, you know, it
Speaker 2: just it's pretty incredible stuff, honestly. And that I believe
Speaker 2: that was Michelle Tabachnik, who who was this seal special
Speaker 2: effects operator who inevitably left the group. He fled the group,
Speaker 2: and and and I believe he was actually the one
Speaker 2: who birthed the child who was believed to have been
Speaker 2: h and they named they made the mistake of naming
Speaker 2: their child Emmanuel as well. And that was allegedly fulfilling
Speaker 2: the prophecy of this solar god king. And so at
Speaker 2: least it was it was clearly it was disrupting the current,
Speaker 2: uh what what Joseph de Maambro was attempting to pursue
Speaker 2: in terms of of this prophecy of the solar god
Speaker 2: king with his own child which he had with this
Speaker 2: drug addicted woman who was you know, basically kind of
Speaker 2: entirely conned into having a you know, a sexual experience
Speaker 2: with Joseph de Maambro and birthing a child for for
Speaker 2: this very purpose. And and so whenever this took place,
Speaker 2: Michelle Tabagnique takes this uh, his wife and his kid,
Speaker 2: and and they leave the group. And and then just before,
Speaker 2: just before all these murders take place, a group of
Speaker 2: Solarts members go to Michelle Tabacnik's house and brutally murder
Speaker 2: all three of them, the mother, the father, and the
Speaker 2: child and I and made made a legitimate example out
Speaker 2: of the child as far as the brutal slang of
Speaker 2: that particular individual. And I think that is due to
Speaker 2: the fact of the disruption of the potential prophecy, which
Speaker 2: was very interesting at the very least, you can tell
Speaker 2: that there was for sure, you know, a lot of
Speaker 2: politics playing out in terms of the leadership involved, because
Speaker 2: you had you had members like these were not just
Speaker 2: you know, it's crazy to me, because you had they
Speaker 2: weren't just recruiting anyone, you know what I mean, Like
Speaker 2: you had very wealthy individual members. You had like like
Speaker 2: one guy owned this he was like a watchmaker. And
Speaker 2: you know, I'm talking very wealthy, right, And essentially Joseph
Speaker 2: deman bro and Luke Jorra both had had basically convinced
Speaker 2: a lot of the members too very much in the
Speaker 2: in the fashion of of Jim Jones, in a way
Speaker 2: to sign much of their property and and just right
Speaker 2: and uh basically give power of attorney to to Joseph
Speaker 2: de Mambro, and and it was just help. Oh yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 2: yeah they were and I mean Demambro himself, right, he
Speaker 2: had sampled a variety of esseoteric groups that that by
Speaker 2: that time, right, including.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's another thing. This was like multiple attempts by
Speaker 5: this point.
Speaker 7: I think this was the third the third cult that
Speaker 7: he had started. There was one like Golden Temple or
Speaker 7: like Golden Triangle or something like that.
Speaker 9: Was the yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, stupid, but yeah, you know, he definitely was affiliated
Speaker 2: with Amork as well, the ancient miscord or of the
Speaker 2: Rosy Cross and rosy Crusis.
Speaker 3: And yeah, so it both to Cagliostro, which is Martinists,
Speaker 3: and nobody brings that up.
Speaker 9: I heard you talk about it, though.
Speaker 2: It's fascinating. I just like, it's really like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: there's so many layers to this story, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. It's just like it's so it's kind of difficult.
Speaker 2: I could I didn't even realize that there was Joseph
Speaker 2: de Maambro had an Israel connection, by the way, which
Speaker 2: which blew me away and I thought it was kind
Speaker 2: of hilarious because in like six, nineteen sixty six, he
Speaker 2: successfully swindles and defrauds this the co owner of this
Speaker 2: jewelry store. All right, this jewelry business name. It was
Speaker 2: a technician by the name of Albert born boy Run.
Speaker 2: I don't know exactly how to pronounce it, but demambro.
Speaker 2: He then just vanishes right with all the company's valuable
Speaker 2: assets and moves his entire family to Tel Aviv, claiming
Speaker 2: that his child being born in Israel would grant it
Speaker 2: an exceptional destiny. And he later claimed to members of
Speaker 2: the Ots that the reason he had actually been in
Speaker 2: Israel was that he had been asked by the Chief
Speaker 2: Rabbi to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem for pay, and
Speaker 2: he claims he refused payment as he was not interested
Speaker 2: in money, and then moved back to France. By its
Speaker 2: seventy two. But it's a crazy you know, why would he.
Speaker 8: See philanthropists, you know what I mean, right right, just
Speaker 8: how they're doing the Lord's work.
Speaker 9: Right right, right, right right.
Speaker 2: But he was impersonating a psychiatrist at times. He was
Speaker 2: a sentenced in seventy two, I believe six months. Yeah,
Speaker 2: in prison for breaching patient trust firsinating a psychiatrist.
Speaker 8: I mean he had no education or training in such
Speaker 8: a matter with compt degrees.
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm telling you, I see what Edward.
Speaker 8: When Edwards did it for decades across America printed psychiatry
Speaker 8: degrees and fake to be a psychiatrist.
Speaker 2: That's amazing.
Speaker 6: Like doctor Phil Right, I got creepy.
Speaker 2: He's probably murdered, dozens, probably look at his.
Speaker 6: Bald head and his stupid face.
Speaker 8: Of course, living room. Have I have I taken on
Speaker 8: a tour of his home? If not, we'll do that
Speaker 8: in the future, show Julie, because it's fucking creepy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a little, a little weird.
Speaker 8: It's a nightmare warhouse like mirror fucking smoke show, fun
Speaker 8: house situation because like yeah, and his wife situation.
Speaker 6: His wife is I think a training. But that's besides
Speaker 6: the point.
Speaker 2: Well that's I didn't know that. In fact, are you
Speaker 2: kidding me? Are you? Are you kidding me?
Speaker 6: I'm not kidding you.
Speaker 3: Just like Na Julian's dropping bombs, she's dropping tranny bombs.
Speaker 6: I love to drop tranny bombs.
Speaker 7: But what are the odds that in the same year, right,
Speaker 7: nineteen ninety four, Heaven's Gate and the Order of the
Speaker 7: Solar Temple go down, like I want to say, a
Speaker 7: couple months apart from each other, Like, what are the fucking.
Speaker 6: Odds of that too? That's all I ever said. I
Speaker 6: write me too.
Speaker 7: Heaven's Kate and the Order of the Solar Temple went
Speaker 7: ninety right, no, ninety four, both of them.
Speaker 3: Well in the tape that mentions yeah, yeah, uh no ninety.
Speaker 8: Am I get my nineties? Am I that bigd and
Speaker 8: getting nineties mixed up? I thought they were later in
Speaker 8: the nineties.
Speaker 5: Well, ohts also had like I think something in ninety
Speaker 5: five and then in ninety seven, I think there's actually.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because it was Brown Something and Ron Goldman were
Speaker 8: murdered on this date, well, technically in the twelfth, ten
Speaker 8: thirty two PM, but on this date nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 6: What Friday the thirteenth or just this yere.
Speaker 2: June twelve, thirteenth, nineteen ninety four.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, it is kind of interesting that the
Speaker 7: Order of the Solar Temple took so much influence from
Speaker 7: the Night's Temple our end, we decided to record it
Speaker 7: on Friday the thirteenth, so maybe it was meant to be.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 8: I didn't want to point that out, Julia. I didn't
Speaker 8: want to. I didn't want to get that creepy with it.
Speaker 8: But if I may, I made this for quick and
Speaker 8: I don't.
Speaker 2: I didn't.
Speaker 8: I didn't need to disagree because I just have to
Speaker 8: get my ancient alien cargo cult fax in order. So
Speaker 8: it was it was ninety seven when they decided to
Speaker 8: catch that flight on Hailey's comment May seven.
Speaker 5: So that was the one in Quebec in nineteen ninety
Speaker 5: seven was probably around the same time.
Speaker 8: Dude, I had I had my I had my purple
Speaker 8: you know robe and Nike's fact.
Speaker 2: I just forgot to get that ride, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean?
Speaker 7: So wait, So Solar Turtle was ninety four and then
Speaker 7: and then Heaven's Gate was ninety seven.
Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, are you sure positive?
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 6: Well, all let's hide this time mark.
Speaker 8: March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven is when isn't it was
Speaker 8: that when they first you know, that was the Phoenix Light. Well,
Speaker 8: I'm just saying that there's some you know, other UFO
Speaker 8: sus that's the Phoenix Lights. And then March nineteenth and
Speaker 8: twentieth is when they did the final exit video and
Speaker 8: then marks twenty second through twenty third.
Speaker 2: Was there there was phases of the suicides.
Speaker 7: Well, we could at least say that they're happening around
Speaker 7: the same era functioning.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's a difference. I think there's there's Honestly,
Speaker 2: I think that many of these cults were being used
Speaker 2: in ther the Iran contra enterprise that was being conducted,
Speaker 2: like not only drug trafficking, but you know, you you
Speaker 2: had they were testing esoteric weapons at at the cabs
Speaker 2: on Indian Reservation, which just blew me away, like they
Speaker 2: were just utilizing uh you know, uh basically the Indian
Speaker 2: Reservation for this purpose. But they also were like flying
Speaker 2: in Mexican nationals to cook methamphetamines on the reservation. And yeah,
Speaker 2: it was like fascinating stuff. I couldn't even believe that
Speaker 2: this was all happened.
Speaker 8: Who was a major figure in that drug operation the
Speaker 8: promise software, reprogramming, et cetera. There, Michael Riccona, Yeah, man, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: I know.
Speaker 2: Who connects to all these things.
Speaker 8: Ted He was Ted Gunerson's co and tel Pro agent
Speaker 8: in the Hay and Ashbury looking after Charles Manson. In
Speaker 8: the process and go figure, there's there he is June fifteenth,
Speaker 8: nineteen sixty seven performance including the Grateful Dead on stage.
Speaker 8: So that's that's Tavistock right there, because yeah, the Tavistock, right,
Speaker 8: And then you got and then you got Michael Riconoshudo
Speaker 8: as a technical or is the stage hand, and you
Speaker 8: got Charles Manson as a technical advisor technical hand on
Speaker 8: the performance all in one performance.
Speaker 2: You know in Shirie, Switzerland, where where the first the
Speaker 2: twenty three corpses were first found, like as far as
Speaker 2: this this burntout farm, that was all basically you had
Speaker 2: like I think only two hundred and seventy people even
Speaker 2: lived in this area, right, so it was like barely
Speaker 2: anyone even lived in this area. But essentially there was
Speaker 2: this was like Lagrange Solvent is hell pronounced I believe
Speaker 2: south of Sherry, Switzerland. Thank you. I actually like looked
Speaker 2: up these pronunciations whenever I did my my episode because
Speaker 2: I tried to get it as as accurate as possible
Speaker 2: without being basically a huge douchebag, you know.
Speaker 6: But I translated myself as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, right, but uh but what what struck
Speaker 2: me was this insane investigation after the police rest warrants
Speaker 2: were issued for Luke Jerray and Joseph de Membro after
Speaker 2: the first bodies were found, because they believed at the time,
Speaker 2: investigators instantly thought, okay, this clearly connects back to the
Speaker 2: leaders of this cult group, because you know, they didn't
Speaker 2: discover the leaders and on the site was allegedly the case,
Speaker 2: right and so obviously.
Speaker 5: Interested And I was just just the first incident you
Speaker 5: were talking.
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly that I did twenty third correct, Yeah, birthday
Speaker 3: that screwed up.
Speaker 2: Wow, that is interesting.
Speaker 5: That is something I was screwing up before and I
Speaker 5: was getting confused. And this is even something that happened
Speaker 5: in the first episode that we never put out. I
Speaker 5: think there's actually three dates, ninety four, ninety five, and
Speaker 5: ninety seven, So yeah, there's actually I think ninety four
Speaker 5: was like the big one with like forty eight people
Speaker 5: from Yeah, there's like I wanted to make sure that
Speaker 5: was the one because I was even telling Julia ninety five,
Speaker 5: but it's ninety four, ninety five, and ninety seven, Yes,
Speaker 5: fucking exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think this is you know, tying off loose sins.
Speaker 2: You have the the Canadian Operation tied to the OTS
Speaker 2: that was very much involved with Another reason why I
Speaker 2: thought it was so crazy, because you had Canadian police
Speaker 2: confirming that their investigation into a money laundering operation ran
Speaker 2: by members of the cult the OTS. There was a
Speaker 2: Radio Canada report right that the French service of the
Speaker 2: Canadian Broadcasting Corporation. Basically they say that jere and Demanbro
Speaker 2: ran an elaborate arms dealing network which delivered weapons to
Speaker 2: the international black market, and the network said that millions
Speaker 2: of dollars in profits were laundered through the Royal Bank
Speaker 2: of Canada Limited and the infamous CIA Front Bank of
Speaker 2: Credit and Commerce branch offices in Ottawa BCCI. I was
Speaker 2: just like, holy oh, yes, sir.
Speaker 8: And on that note, relative to all these other matters
Speaker 8: and pat On and all this I ran counter stuff.
Speaker 8: There's FBI documents that they're redacted, but in that pack
Speaker 8: on Operation I whenever they're not on my show and
Speaker 8: operation in GCD Live that I would assert is the
Speaker 8: formation of BCCI and the bank being described in the Bahamas.
Speaker 8: In these documents it is redacted. However, I fill in
Speaker 8: the blank's mad lib style and the only thing that
Speaker 8: makes sense is it's BCCI.
Speaker 2: Right, makes sense, man, But I mean.
Speaker 8: I also think I also think the redacted field office
Speaker 8: and there is in the Indianapolis Field Office, because all
Speaker 8: of this is derivative from Elvis Presley's investigation, Operation Fountain Pen. Wow,
Speaker 8: Operation Fountain Pen. That sounds crazy, I agree, But Operation
Speaker 8: founda Pen. Uh, It's not Luoney Tuns. Despite the sounding
Speaker 8: Lundy tunes. Operation founta Pen was the largest, multi jurisdictional UH,
Speaker 8: longest running FBI investigation and spawned the most spawned the
Speaker 8: most other investigations. So the umbrella networks spawned from Operation
Speaker 8: Fountain Pen is the largest and FBI history, I asserted,
Speaker 8: still going on today. I assert that's the reason why
Speaker 8: they've redacted one field office out of those pat con documents,
Speaker 8: and that's the FBI. Well, I think it's actually too,
Speaker 8: but I think one of those is the Indianapolis Field
Speaker 8: Office officer.
Speaker 6: You mean, Elvis isn't just a great guy like we believe.
Speaker 8: So the two years preceding his death, he had multiple
Speaker 8: FBI agents on his tour and on his on his crew,
Speaker 8: and he himself was a undercoverage for the FBI. And
Speaker 8: the day after he died, the folks that they were
Speaker 8: investigating in this operation. Found kind of got and dieted
Speaker 8: the day after he died. Wow, you tell me, Julia,
Speaker 8: you tell me.
Speaker 7: Well, of course, you know, I think he's a fucking asshole,
Speaker 7: But I did want to say something.
Speaker 8: Really, I think he was part of the Manson family
Speaker 8: in the process, but that's a different story altogether.
Speaker 6: He probably was.
Speaker 8: I think I'm joking, but you know, his commercial guide
Speaker 8: was was J. C. Brings hair Salon, a drug traveling
Speaker 8: partner that was Elvis's sidekicking personal spiritual guid.
Speaker 7: So never I would never think you would be joking
Speaker 7: about something socid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I joked about a lot of things. But
Speaker 2: the things I don't joke about is that.
Speaker 8: And speaking of serious, that seems to be the undergoing
Speaker 8: trend with all these.
Speaker 2: Cults and serious. They always have those two aspects. Serious.
Speaker 7: This is another one of those serious cults. But I
Speaker 7: wanted to just say really quickly, this first incident that
Speaker 7: you're talking about, I don't remember. I think it was
Speaker 7: forty four bodies were found or something in that range
Speaker 7: with this first one, but they the way that they
Speaker 7: were found in these underground networks of like chalets, and
Speaker 7: they had like these timed explosives that went off and
Speaker 7: set all these underground chalets ablaze pretty much. But my
Speaker 7: question is maybe you can answer this because it's something
Speaker 7: that stood out.
Speaker 6: To me when I was researching it.
Speaker 7: Is, first off, how did they have access to these
Speaker 7: underground chalets? How did they know that they were there?
Speaker 7: Why are they under there? Why did they even have
Speaker 7: access to be under there to be pulled. It's like
Speaker 7: you would have to have a certain amount of time
Speaker 7: to get these timed explosives set up, get everybody down there,
Speaker 7: start helping people quote unquote kill themselves or just killing
Speaker 7: them or just whatever the fuck they were doing down there.
Speaker 6: It's like you.
Speaker 7: Need time, preparation, planning. There's so much that went into it.
Speaker 7: And it's like nobody saw these assholes going down there,
Speaker 7: Like nobody saw them leading the brigade of like fifty
Speaker 7: fucking people in these underground tunnels, Like what is going
Speaker 7: on here?
Speaker 6: That always stood out to me as as weird.
Speaker 5: In my opinion, Even to control that many people, I mean,
Speaker 5: you may not need that many people, but you canna
Speaker 5: need a handful of people. I mean, maybe two guys,
Speaker 5: two guys with a gun each controlled all those people possibly,
Speaker 5: but people actually pulling the strings to have that happened.
Speaker 7: To everything going underground nothing suspicious here, Like what's like,
Speaker 7: what actually the fuck is going on? You know what I.
Speaker 8: Mean, they can definitely use guns, but let's think about hypnosis.
Speaker 8: I can also you know, make people a little bit
Speaker 8: more complied. I mean, I'm not saying guns aren't used.
Speaker 8: I'm just saying you have you need fewer guns.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, I know that There's definitely been many allegations
Speaker 2: of police protection. And the fact of the matter was
Speaker 2: that that they had a task force that was involved
Speaker 2: that was instantly compromised and they they were we had
Speaker 2: investigators who were claiming that they were forced to essentially,
Speaker 2: you know, at least stop pursuing all and any leads
Speaker 2: into as far as like actual military presence on the site,
Speaker 2: because that was The other claim is that essentially that
Speaker 2: all of this was rigged to uh to destroy evidence.
Speaker 2: And the reason being is that not all the power
Speaker 2: technic devices went off and so this didn't entirely destroy
Speaker 2: the remaining evidence and the and the and the bodies
Speaker 2: were supposed to be unidentifiable for the most part, and
Speaker 2: there were you know, there weren't supposed to be the
Speaker 2: examples of like plastic bags over the heads of some
Speaker 2: of the victims, and and and gunshot wounds to the
Speaker 2: head and and things of that nature. It clearly. And
Speaker 2: then also there was apparently there was a oh my god,
Speaker 2: there was a there was a in Canada. In that case,
Speaker 2: there there was a basically a proof of potentially a
Speaker 2: military what's it called what do they call their their
Speaker 2: fire Oh shit, I can't believe that. I'm forgetting the
Speaker 2: term for this, just the shit flamethrower, thank you, damn it.
Speaker 2: I couldn't for some reason I couldn't remember. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that's so there's basically a military grade flamethrower that was
Speaker 2: effectively through this this investigation that was conducted in Canada
Speaker 2: through relatives that basically concerned relatives had formed, uh, an
Speaker 2: investigation that was kind of, you know, attempting to make
Speaker 2: sense of this because clearly the victims' families were questioning
Speaker 2: this theory of collective suicide and they were not buying
Speaker 2: it right in any way. And so you had this
Speaker 2: court trial of of one of the one of the
Speaker 2: members of the ots, Michelle Tabacnique, because he was the
Speaker 2: only one really left alive uh In in Canada, and
Speaker 2: so they're like, we we have to have someone answer
Speaker 2: for this and uh, and so he's essentially put on
Speaker 2: trial in a criminal court, and the families of the
Speaker 2: victims filed a civil action as well, right, and and
Speaker 2: so they consulted all these various experts and and uh
Speaker 2: essentially where we're going through these files and and the
Speaker 2: civil party basically identified all of these different inconsistencies in
Speaker 2: the investigation. And so it gets insane because they start
Speaker 2: going into the essentially the organic environment surrounding the bodies
Speaker 2: of the immolated victims which had gone right in this
Speaker 2: which had allegedly set themselves ablaze in uh In Canada.
Speaker 2: And it's crazy to me because you have these two
Speaker 2: individuals who were members of one of the victims families
Speaker 2: named Elaine Elaine Vornay son and brother of two of
Speaker 2: the victims, who had been conducting a parallel private investigation
Speaker 2: apparently since ninety five when the collective suicides took place,
Speaker 2: right and so at least in records right in the
Speaker 2: records region, which apparently it looks like there was an
Speaker 2: entire lack of cooperation in terms of right the refuse
Speaker 2: to just refusing to investigate the possibility of murder basically
Speaker 2: at the official level. And so this is why you
Speaker 2: had the victims families themselves forced to make this separate,
Speaker 2: you know, litigation as far as pursue this on their
Speaker 2: own in a way, right, because there's no this is
Speaker 2: a miscarriage of justice. Obviously, they don't want any real
Speaker 2: answers because they would prefer we just accept this at
Speaker 2: face value mass revolutionary suicide. They've been entirely brainwashed. They
Speaker 2: drank the kool aid, right, as they say, even though
Speaker 2: we all know that was flavor rate in jonestown, but
Speaker 2: that doesn't matter. So the point being that you you
Speaker 2: have this expert professor who commission was commissioned right to
Speaker 2: to study the these uh this crime scene, and he
Speaker 2: says phosphorus was found at the crime scene and this
Speaker 2: indicated the use of this military grade flame flamethrower, which
Speaker 2: apparently uh in in this case implied that there had
Speaker 2: been no suicide but a staged event obviously. And so
Speaker 2: you have, you know a little bit more in terms
Speaker 2: in terms of because this is crazy as far as
Speaker 2: the remains of these these bodies, right that that were found.
Speaker 2: It turns out that at the request of the family,
Speaker 2: they right they carry out to this they have essentially
Speaker 2: they have like a new autopsies that are are attempted
Speaker 2: to to right be be uh just pursued and and
Speaker 2: so it's just it's interesting because what they discover that Edith,
Speaker 2: relatives of Edith and Patrick Varney, right, they ruled out
Speaker 2: the idea of collective suicide, and they essentially said that
Speaker 2: this land phase of the transit to Sirius was entirely ridiculous, right,
Speaker 2: and that in no way where their mother was the
Speaker 2: mother and son actually in any way kind of like
Speaker 2: convinced that this was actually taking place, apparently that this
Speaker 2: was just a false narrative that was apparently being presented
Speaker 2: to the public. Because basically this all, by the way,
Speaker 2: this transit to Sirius allegedly took place on the night
Speaker 2: of December fifteenth in ninety five. I believe it was
Speaker 2: like two separate you know, because I think essentially you
Speaker 2: had a group who set one group ablaze and then
Speaker 2: went into a barn and tried to convince their children
Speaker 2: to set themselves on fire as well, and then killed
Speaker 2: themselves and the children killed. It's a strange story, but
Speaker 2: it gets it gets very interesting. But what they claim
Speaker 2: happened was that again considered this as this is such
Speaker 2: a small area out in the forest, right where fourteen
Speaker 2: of these victims, including this this mother and son, Edith
Speaker 2: and Patrick Varney, had allegedly taken this cocktail of sedatives
Speaker 2: before they were deliberately shot several times by who they say, uh,
Speaker 2: Andre fret Friedley Fried, I don't know how to pronounce it,
Speaker 2: fri E d l I, who's a Swiss architect, and
Speaker 2: Jean Luke larden Lardenshet, who's a French policeman. So these
Speaker 2: are the two individuals who've been named throughout the course
Speaker 2: of this specific investigation that played out in the for
Speaker 2: corpse case. And so the two men were alleged to
Speaker 2: have then doused the bodies with gasoline, covered them with
Speaker 2: branches before setting them on fire, and then they commit
Speaker 2: suicide with a bullet in the mouth before falling into
Speaker 2: the blaze themselves.
Speaker 7: That was this is the second incident, right, Yes, exactly, Okay,
Speaker 7: this is I was gonna say, I think this was
Speaker 7: what I'd like a year later. Yeah, and there was
Speaker 7: fourteen of them, wasn't.
Speaker 2: There fourteen exactly.
Speaker 6: Okay, fourteen of them.
Speaker 7: They weren't the bodies like arranged first and like a
Speaker 7: like a weird circle or and then they were like
Speaker 7: doused and lit and then the two guys who were
Speaker 7: doing it, as you mentioned, then they shot themselves and
Speaker 7: then like they fell into fell into the blaze. And
Speaker 7: then this was the second incident. So that ups the
Speaker 7: body count from forty four plus fourteen at this point,
Speaker 7: I mean, it's.
Speaker 6: Just to me, how the fuck?
Speaker 7: And they say, if you research this, they say that
Speaker 7: the second incident with the fourteen people who let themselves,
Speaker 7: who got lit on fire and the two that shot themselves,
Speaker 7: they were trying to basically catch up with the other
Speaker 7: people to ascend to whatever the fox is serious. So
Speaker 7: we're talking about a year removed from the initial incident.
Speaker 7: They're still on board with this ship even though everybody
Speaker 7: else is fucking dead.
Speaker 2: And I mean, one of these serious, Julia, they all
Speaker 2: love it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I get down. It's like a year removed from
Speaker 7: the situation. You still are anywhere. But why would you
Speaker 7: but why would you with no leader want to then
Speaker 7: still do it?
Speaker 8: I think that's what it speaks to the mind control aspects.
Speaker 8: Of whatever is going on with this serious cult worship,
Speaker 8: because again the you know, the Mormon God lives near
Speaker 8: Sirius on the star Cola, on the plane cola.
Speaker 7: If you want my opinion, I think they they were
Speaker 7: just murdered. And they said it that they were color
Speaker 7: or they were solar cult members.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I definitely now that, and that very much so.
Speaker 2: And and I think that you know, it was different,
Speaker 2: as I said, with with the members of the OTS
Speaker 2: because many of them, like they were very wealthy. They
Speaker 2: were specifically recruited for reasons of kind of like compromising
Speaker 2: them within the the aspect of of the organization itself,
Speaker 2: have them become they were. It was kind of hilarious
Speaker 2: because they would just like play to their egos and
Speaker 2: in so many different ways, you know. And and they
Speaker 2: all claimed that they were like you know, the uh
Speaker 2: reincarnation of Socrates and and like all the and Joan
Speaker 2: of Arc and all these crazy ass uh individual historical figures,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 8: And and it also and my main interjectors, sir, when
Speaker 8: when you say these they recruited wealthy you know, wealthy membership,
Speaker 8: which is obviously if you want to have a wealthy colt,
Speaker 8: you need money from somewhere, but so that's obviously routine moved.
Speaker 8: But I mean that is what the Manson family did
Speaker 8: as well. I mean this is a very I mean
Speaker 8: I feel when they do this, it's not just for
Speaker 8: the money. I feel like they're targeting certain families and
Speaker 8: the recruitment of some of these activities.
Speaker 7: There were several millionaires that were involved in the Order
Speaker 7: of the Solar Temple, and they did end up dying
Speaker 7: in the in the initial.
Speaker 6: Sacrifice.
Speaker 8: There you go, and I think that's been some framework
Speaker 8: since the Salem witch trials right right there what Julius said,
Speaker 8: right with the idea of targeting folks for monetarily purposes
Speaker 8: and economic purposes.
Speaker 7: I know you're going to get into this, Austin, but
Speaker 7: I just wanted to say, in my opinion, the third incident.
Speaker 7: So we already talked about the first one. Now we
Speaker 7: just talked about the second one. The third one is
Speaker 7: the weirdest to me because again it screams these people
Speaker 7: got fucking murdered and they blamed it on Oh well,
Speaker 7: they were Solar Temple members that were trying to fucking
Speaker 7: do this fucking occult ritual shit.
Speaker 6: And it's like there's no way you're convincing me of that.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry that it just it doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
Speaker 8: Agreed, one hundred and I'll get into this cover govern
Speaker 8: to write. I mean what you're saying, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And and but you know, I mean you,
Speaker 2: I mean, what was it the Prince of Monaco, right
Speaker 2: who married to Grace Kelly. He he helped, He was
Speaker 2: a major aspect of as far as incorporating the organization
Speaker 2: in Monaco, which was allegedly due to the Secret Society
Speaker 2: fraternal organizations of powerful influence that were hubbed as a
Speaker 2: central hub in Monaco for some strange reason, they were
Speaker 2: kind of utilizing this this connection to the royal family
Speaker 2: in Monaco through Prince Ranier.
Speaker 3: And through NASAs ONNASA actually on NASAs arranged their marriage
Speaker 3: and he actually was the key financier through for Monico.
Speaker 3: That's why it's so strange, because the control and he's
Speaker 3: part of the Black Ops, you know, yeah, all of that.
Speaker 2: So it's so crazy, man, that story, right exactly. And
Speaker 2: and I just like it's so crazy to me, the
Speaker 2: story of Princess Grace, you know, and Grace Kelly, because
Speaker 2: I tweeted about this a while back. Actually, I didn't
Speaker 2: even realize the fact that there was even a stranger
Speaker 2: connection to her death in terms of the the Solar Temple,
Speaker 2: because obviously it's so. The Sovereign Order of the Solar
Speaker 2: Temple was, obviously, as we just established, officially sponsored by
Speaker 2: P two member Prince Ramier the third of Monaco, with
Speaker 2: his prime wife Princess Grace even becoming a member, and
Speaker 2: shortly before her death she was apparently threatening to expose
Speaker 2: cult leader Joseph de maambrose secret ambitions, and a few
Speaker 2: months later, during the fatal car crash, her car happened
Speaker 2: to land bizarrely in a garden owned by another templeman,
Speaker 2: which I did think was insane. Sure coincidence, right, sheer coincidence.
Speaker 8: Statement, that's right, exactly, just like that two banker just
Speaker 8: he he tied himself up and hung him upside down
Speaker 8: from the bridge.
Speaker 2: Right, my god, that's so ridiculous, right, God's banker? Uh gelly, right?
Speaker 2: Isn't that who it is?
Speaker 8: But but Lecho Jelly No, that was his associate, Leo
Speaker 8: j I can't remember the banker's name either, but I
Speaker 8: know you have a weird Lecho Jelly was running that.
Speaker 2: Operation, the P two operation. He was.
Speaker 8: He was a member of it. He was he was
Speaker 8: a member of everybody, you know, the kg B, the
Speaker 8: c I A, Ray Wolves, you know, he was, the Freemasons.
Speaker 8: He was doing it all, you know.
Speaker 9: Oh yeah, and NASAs is involved.
Speaker 3: Speaking of of bankers, with Hitler's reich Bank president. His
Speaker 3: name is actually it sounds like shark, like s c
Speaker 3: h A c H T like shot.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so that that plays into all of them
Speaker 3: and the key reason why he never lost a ship
Speaker 3: during the war.
Speaker 9: So I'm almost done with amasses.
Speaker 2: That's so crazy. I just think it's I really love
Speaker 2: the fact that you guys just you know, we all
Speaker 2: take different approaches and angles and these cases, and and
Speaker 2: you know, it's just like it's it's I love the
Speaker 2: fact that, you know, the meeting of the minds. It's
Speaker 2: it's filling in a lot of holes for me as well,
Speaker 2: just because I know that there are these connections as well.
Speaker 2: But it's like as much as we read in terms
Speaker 2: of like the layer details here, it's so much of
Speaker 2: it is just in and out the other side until
Speaker 2: it's reinforced with another layer of of of oh here
Speaker 2: he is resurfacing again. Now it's further entrenched in my mind,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, in that sort of fashion.
Speaker 2: But but I remember the story with with Grace Kelly
Speaker 2: though was was insane because she she It was described
Speaker 2: in the Scotsman. There's an article in detail that you
Speaker 2: can find that, uh if once you first find it,
Speaker 2: screenshot it because they pay well all this ship and uh,
Speaker 2: it's it's very frustrating, but it it's super interesting because
Speaker 2: they essentially describe how Now obviously she's described as an
Speaker 2: overtly sexual person who who apparently was was They were
Speaker 2: having these sort of sex rituals in the ots where
Speaker 2: they would again provide you with this sort of they
Speaker 2: had like you know, this this the same sort of situation.
Speaker 2: Where as if obviously the members the four team members
Speaker 2: who drank this this uh you know, uh uh what
Speaker 2: was the term I just used? Anyway, it doesn't matter.
Speaker 2: But but still it's basically this this this combination of
Speaker 2: of essentially you know, psychotropic drugs and and rite this
Speaker 2: this sort of LSD style. Uh. But but not exactly.
Speaker 2: There were multiple different drugs that were involved in the
Speaker 2: sort of sex rituals that they would conduct and I
Speaker 2: forgot the whole list, but it is very interesting because
Speaker 2: apparently she was basically they used acupuncture needles and placed
Speaker 2: them strategically on these sexual meridian points and and brought
Speaker 2: her to orgasm in the course of this. This this
Speaker 2: was her initiation into the ots and and it was
Speaker 2: described as like security lookouts lined the route as her
Speaker 2: white jaguarre sped through the narrowing, twisting roads. It's an
Speaker 2: interesting article, you guys, check it out because it gets
Speaker 2: very detailed in terms of what they actually were practicing
Speaker 2: and how they would kind of sure, yeah, just kind
Speaker 2: of like it again. Not only were there this sort
Speaker 2: of you know, sedatives that were involved.
Speaker 8: And uh, well, I think that's an important point you're
Speaker 8: making there, because one thing we don't we don't always
Speaker 8: consider is the logistics behind obtaining these drogs.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 8: And that's a crazy time after time, it's doctors that
Speaker 8: are compromised and stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm thinking right the top of my head.
Speaker 8: Then Axiom Cole was doing it mk ulture experimentation, you know,
Speaker 8: literal mk ultra experiments in Albany, New York, and in Monoray, Mexico.
Speaker 8: And they were doing it under the auspices of an
Speaker 8: actual neuro neurological doctor, you know, licensed and credited through
Speaker 8: the stay of New York, who lost his license as
Speaker 8: a result of these activities later. But that so, this
Speaker 8: much is documented him losing his license in the activities
Speaker 8: in which he was conducting these experiments. So you know
Speaker 8: some uh, you know, taping folk's eyes open and making
Speaker 8: them watch some snuff films, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: There was seven seven different women documented some of these films.
Speaker 8: They seem to be Mexican and I often wonder what
Speaker 8: they were doing in Monterey, Mexico, and they were filming
Speaker 8: these themselves down there.
Speaker 2: Holy shit.
Speaker 8: That's but it is oftentimes doctor's compromise. So I presume
Speaker 8: there is an element to that with this gold as well.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no, oh my god, there's a direct element
Speaker 2: to that, and and it comes in the form of this.
Speaker 2: It was again I believe in the criminal trial of
Speaker 2: Michelle Tabocnik, because that that basically revealed that there was
Speaker 2: a there was a a doctor who was essentially providing
Speaker 2: a pharmacist right this breast pharmacist Cloud Geiron He so
Speaker 2: he apparently he apparently was involved and had criminal association
Speaker 2: with the organization. And it turns out, you know, and
Speaker 2: a homeopathic specialist, right friend of the late Luke Georret.
Speaker 2: You know, it turns out grand master of the ots
Speaker 2: obviously and had the case dismissed July thirteenth, apparently in
Speaker 2: ninety seven, this individual Cloud Gearan And so the pharmacist
Speaker 2: suspected of having provided the drugs a neuroliptic row hypnol
Speaker 2: and a cardiotonic did did did Jackson? I'm not sure
Speaker 2: how d yeah? Did jockson? Okay ingested by the victims
Speaker 2: of the vercors before their deaths, and so uh it
Speaker 2: turns out that, uh, this this bailiff from Breast and
Speaker 2: Burnt apparently in one month managed to do what obviously
Speaker 2: the authorities could not and in providing this this example,
Speaker 2: as far as a box of the jockson was apparently
Speaker 2: intended to be destroyed, but a lot of this, these medicines,
Speaker 2: several medicines and packaging was found around like surrounding the remains,
Speaker 2: like near the remains, and uh, and it turns out
Speaker 2: that this had a less damaged box of the jockson
Speaker 2: which bore a batch number six to one and apparently
Speaker 2: in July of ninety six, you had the fifth Division
Speaker 2: of the Judicial Police.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: They they they go to Procter and Gamble and this
Speaker 2: laboratory that there was Jockson went Procter and Gamble.
Speaker 8: Yes, sir, that's interesting. I don't want to interject, but
Speaker 8: I'll get back to that amount, please.
Speaker 2: Okay, dude, it's fascinating. But so they produced this the
Speaker 2: Jockson for the list of wholesalers who had ordered this batch,
Speaker 2: which was distributed on the twenty seventh, twenty eighth, and
Speaker 2: twenty ninth of September ninety five, which is right before
Speaker 2: so the investigators are using. So essentially what happened is
Speaker 2: they began to use this list and they then pursued
Speaker 2: this and submitted a report that explained that essentially the
Speaker 2: city of Breast, this pharmacist supplied by a wholesaler who
Speaker 2: was not the recipient of batch six to one of
Speaker 2: the Jockson. But four years later, in February, Jean Vornay right,
Speaker 2: which is one of the victim's families, he became aware
Speaker 2: of this entire investigation file and he noticed that among
Speaker 2: the recipients of this lot, sixty two to one indicated
Speaker 2: by Procter and Gamble was OCP repartition based in Goose
Speaker 2: now in the suburbs of Breast, and that it had
Speaker 2: never been contacted by the police. And so on March
Speaker 2: ninth OCP confirmed that it had been the regular supplier
Speaker 2: of the Gheran Pharmacy for many years. So we have
Speaker 2: instantly now we have a confirmation that this was the
Speaker 2: pharmacy you know that was regularly supplying you know this
Speaker 2: this specific did Jackson Batch apparently, And so on March fourteenth,
Speaker 2: ninety seven you have this bailiff who goes to the
Speaker 2: OCP and consults the archives. He discovers that Cloud Geeran
Speaker 2: had apparently the pharmacist right had ordered and who's directly
Speaker 2: affiliated with Luke Gerray and the ots, had ordered on
Speaker 2: September twenty ninth and thirtieth ninety five, just before the
Speaker 2: deaths these six boxes of did jockson from Batch six
Speaker 2: twenty one. So to me, and especially when you see
Speaker 2: that after the Varne family, they apparently they request at
Speaker 2: the request of the Verne family, of the bailiff consulted
Speaker 2: all the orders placed by the Gurin pharmacy in ninety
Speaker 2: four ninety five. His conclusion was apparently in regard to
Speaker 2: the roe hypnol, a powerful neuroleeiptic was used to drug
Speaker 2: most of the forty seven OTS followers killed in Switzerland
Speaker 2: in October of ninety four. And while he usually orders
Speaker 2: about ten boxes of roe hypnol per month, cloud Geerin
Speaker 2: buys forty in June of ninety four, twenty one in July,
Speaker 2: and forty one in August. So obviously it seems as
Speaker 2: if he's preparing for something right and with much larger supply.
Speaker 2: And so then you have this interesting observation that you
Speaker 2: have an examination of the pharmacist accounts that shows that
Speaker 2: in October ninety four he received a transfer of five
Speaker 2: hundred thousand francs, and so it looks as if he
Speaker 2: was definitely you know, very well right paid for for
Speaker 2: just to imburst for for these batches that obviously it
Speaker 2: seems like there was a mass murder, that they clearly
Speaker 2: that these individuals were poisoned. And the connection there is
Speaker 2: just fascinating as far as the you know, Procter and
Speaker 2: Gammel uh, you know, pharmaceutical batches that are being provided
Speaker 2: to the OTS directly through connection to Luke gerray I
Speaker 2: think they're not.
Speaker 8: A great example. And that's a direct connection through Luke Gray.
Speaker 8: You said, huh, yeah, I don't want to take us
Speaker 8: on it. I don't want to take us on a
Speaker 8: I don't want to go full blown Society of the
Speaker 8: Cincinnati here. But obviously these activities going on in France
Speaker 8: my theories of the society's activities in life generally, especially
Speaker 8: relative to ancient Alliti and cargo cold activity like the Mormons,
Speaker 8: which is spawned from the society. So in society membership,
Speaker 8: So this Jerre Fellow, he seems to be I'm not
Speaker 8: saying he's a card carry member, but he's got membership
Speaker 8: in his in his family trees. So I looked through
Speaker 8: his family tree initially, and I'll bring I'll bring it
Speaker 8: right back to Rocker and gamble Hill real quick. I
Speaker 8: looked through his family tree and saw his forefather died
Speaker 8: in a very seminal event in the French Revolution. I
Speaker 8: was like, that's not good that that that man's grandsons
Speaker 8: were both named the polar or that man's son and
Speaker 8: grandson and were both named Napolion. At a time where
Speaker 8: you didn't want to be named Napoleon over there, you
Speaker 8: know what I mean, and the point being a member
Speaker 8: of the society, I was like, well, these are all
Speaker 8: fascinating things. So then I start tracking them them and
Speaker 8: them in America at the same time, and I offshoot
Speaker 8: that family. So I don't know if his branch is
Speaker 8: a member, but he's got it. He's got an American
Speaker 8: cousin that is that seems to be a member through
Speaker 8: the founding u the first free city in America Washington, Pennsylvania,
Speaker 8: which which originated as Fort Vance, which was founded by
Speaker 8: a member of Clan Vance, which which was a member
Speaker 8: of the society there and a cousin of George there
Speaker 8: and the first free city was seventeen eighty three after
Speaker 8: the Treaty of Paris.
Speaker 2: This was the first city they founded.
Speaker 8: So these Gera people were there on the scene and
Speaker 8: the American wing and uh, the I would allege that
Speaker 8: the member of that branch is in his indeed an
Speaker 8: employee in the Society of Cincinnati's uh you know namesake
Speaker 8: town of Cincinnati. At the headquarters of Procter and Gamble.
Speaker 3: My god and Nixon's godfather, there is a president of
Speaker 3: a pharmacy and a philanthropist and pharmaceutical like brilliant guy.
Speaker 9: So there might be some connects there too.
Speaker 2: But if I may just offman on that one.
Speaker 8: For awesome, now, I would I would like I mean
Speaker 8: Nixon's obviously I'm a major power player a lot of
Speaker 8: these things. But if I may just ruminate here on
Speaker 8: that that that's subject. So the guy you just said
Speaker 8: has the connections of Proctery game over there, his American
Speaker 8: cousin who seems to be a member of this organization
Speaker 8: that started America as a French chapter as well.
Speaker 2: Again I don't know. Again, his cousin Luke Taray may
Speaker 2: may be a member. I can't.
Speaker 8: I don't have as much knowledge of French history and
Speaker 8: the names look like fraggle Rock to me, so I
Speaker 8: don't do genealogy well in France stuff. So but it's
Speaker 8: you know, again, we have a direct connection betwe the
Speaker 8: Procter and Gamble, the Cincinnati here, the headquarters, the Giray family, right,
Speaker 8: you know what I mean? It seems like there's a
Speaker 8: lot more to what you've what you've just pointed out there.
Speaker 3: French connection with Martinism has to be infiltrating over here
Speaker 3: at that same point.
Speaker 8: So I'm just creeped that it's the same family with this.
Speaker 8: When you said Procter and Gambles, they wait a second,
Speaker 8: that's this, This is not like kill Bill. Sirens went
Speaker 8: off in my head because again I was like, this
Speaker 8: is the family, the Procter and Gamble, Like what is
Speaker 8: going on there? Oh man, I'm telling you.
Speaker 2: I just the fact that they comes from the Belgian
Speaker 2: congo that is not at all coincidental in terms of
Speaker 2: whack and Hunt Wacken Huts footprint at that time. Uh,
Speaker 2: they very much were involved, obviously if if you know
Speaker 2: about the paramilitary underground that was being utilized by the
Speaker 2: intelligence apparatus to basically strategy of tension, very much in
Speaker 2: in in the vein of operation Gladio and and I
Speaker 2: believe you know, have direct ties to to you know,
Speaker 2: the let's say the Black Baron beIN while Debun voice
Speaker 2: and and and uh, and these various individuals who were
Speaker 2: aristocrats and and you know leadership, very highest levels of
Speaker 2: the you know, Belgian leadership, and and and we're all
Speaker 2: tied directly into the pink ballets that were being conducted
Speaker 2: at local castles and and and and uh. It was
Speaker 2: all for sexual black male human compromise. But victims of
Speaker 2: the ex dossier, which were all connected into with the
Speaker 2: de Trol case. It's all fascinating because they're all connected
Speaker 2: to this paramilitary underground, just as the OTS is and
Speaker 2: Luke Gerra comes from the same exact background. I had
Speaker 2: no idea that that, right, that he had so many
Speaker 2: different connection connections to to this this sort of he
Speaker 2: was a paratrueper for a time, right, he was an
Speaker 2: and then he gets out of the military and then
Speaker 2: becomes this homeopathic and new wage esoteric right, like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you went to the Philippines for like a year
Speaker 5: or two eight.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent. It's like this guy looks he just
Speaker 2: smells like a spook, you know what I mean, in
Speaker 2: every way and uh and and I just to me,
Speaker 2: it feels like it's it's extraordinarily obvious at this point
Speaker 2: that that honestly, he was very much a large part
Speaker 2: of of the drug trafficking and arms smuggling. I think
Speaker 2: was a huge part of it. But it's interesting to
Speaker 2: me because you have like a hydro Quebec, the hydro
Speaker 2: Quebec company and in Canada and had legitimately been infiltrated
Speaker 2: by members of the OTS. And while all these terrorist
Speaker 2: attacks are being conducted, bombings, mass shootings, and and the
Speaker 2: OTS was implicated and a lot of these criminal investigations,
Speaker 2: members of the OTS were implicated, and and uh and
Speaker 2: and apparently they had like eyes to organized crime, which
Speaker 2: made a lot a lot more sense as well, right,
Speaker 2: because you think about.
Speaker 8: The framework of what you're describing here also, I mean,
Speaker 8: it's the framework of the P two lodge, like you
Speaker 8: said with with Grace Kelly's husband, who sanctioned all these activities.
Speaker 8: That was the framework of what you're describing as the
Speaker 8: same Gladio style framework was going on in Italy. This
Speaker 8: sounds like the French version exactly. It's French Gladio in
Speaker 8: my opinion here, which is weird.
Speaker 3: That ow NASAs ran that though like he obviously.
Speaker 2: I think NASA's runs a lot of shid oh.
Speaker 9: He was running the drugs in his ships.
Speaker 8: It's it's I wonder what it's on the member of
Speaker 8: the Society of Cincinnati had to do about any of
Speaker 8: these things.
Speaker 2: JFK Jr.
Speaker 9: Right, exactly.
Speaker 7: I had a question about the drugs you were talking
Speaker 7: about a second ago. So you said it was real
Speaker 7: hipnol and did jock strap or some ship.
Speaker 3: Right right, right, Yeah, did jockson it's as a cardiac.
Speaker 2: I like, I liked Julia's name better the jockstrip.
Speaker 6: Okay, but but is this meant to like? Is this
Speaker 6: meant to like? Okay?
Speaker 7: They mix them together, right, they mix these two things together.
Speaker 2: Sedatives, you know, to essentially make the murderer the murders
Speaker 2: very simple, easy, straightforward. It's very much like what happened
Speaker 2: to Jonestown. I think they were essentially all drugged and
Speaker 2: sedated to the point where they could not fight back.
Speaker 2: Then you have the Green Berets come in and the
Speaker 2: you know, the British Black what was it, the Black Watch.
Speaker 2: The special Forces were just meandering around the area just
Speaker 2: so happened to be running some some insane operation at
Speaker 2: the time. But clearly to me it made it to where,
Speaker 2: all right, we are in cover up mode, right in
Speaker 2: terms of this this criminal enterprise that we're clearly have
Speaker 2: been facilitating for for far too long, it's now seemingly
Speaker 2: being overexposed. And right we have a window now where
Speaker 2: the public is very much involved in, concerned and interested,
Speaker 2: and you have this sort of hysteria at the time,
Speaker 2: right about the occult network happening and what's going on
Speaker 2: every you know, Heaven's Gate, as you said, right, and
Speaker 2: this is all coming off the back of the Satanic panic,
Speaker 2: which right had just essentially at least plagued the minds
Speaker 2: of many many right for still does or still does
Speaker 2: it folks minds?
Speaker 7: So you think that they use these in the first
Speaker 7: incident with the majority of the bodies.
Speaker 2: I think that this was a pattern that they basically
Speaker 2: were attempting to anytime that they they were targeting, uh,
Speaker 2: let's say just the local chapter of the ots that
Speaker 2: needed to be you know. Essentially it was basically I
Speaker 2: forget how bo Gritz put it when in terms of Jonestown,
Speaker 2: but it was interesting because it was basically like, all.
Speaker 8: Right, every time I hear that name now, because why
Speaker 8: would anyone ever take anything he did seriously about anything?
Speaker 6: Right, very seriously.
Speaker 2: How do you like your bo grits?
Speaker 7: I like my bow grits with butter and a little
Speaker 7: salt and pepper.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 7: Anyways, So the first the first incident, right, remember, because
Speaker 7: I said it, it didn't make any sense to me
Speaker 7: how how they were able to get all those people
Speaker 7: down there. So do you think that they were drugged
Speaker 7: before or after they got into the fucking chalets.
Speaker 2: Like ha, Like, I think I don't believe that most
Speaker 2: of them were lured there. Well, I think they were
Speaker 2: lured there, definitely, but I don't think that they were
Speaker 2: they were like uh, I think that mainly they were practiced.
Speaker 2: They were obviously very consistent within the terms of practicing
Speaker 2: these rituals. So they would always kind of gather and
Speaker 2: meet for these rituals, and they would they would always
Speaker 2: gather and meet in the covert spaces that they had
Speaker 2: built within the chalets, which were like, you know, behind
Speaker 2: these false walls and shit and right, which the investigators,
Speaker 2: at least the initial investigators who arrived on the scene
Speaker 2: at first, didn't even find any bodies, right, They're like,
Speaker 2: what the hell's going on? You know, like, where's this crime?
Speaker 2: You know? And then they finally discovered the false panel
Speaker 2: and went into to the area where where, which I
Speaker 2: found that to be very interesting as far as the
Speaker 2: way that some of the bodies were discovered. But there
Speaker 2: was one individual who I believe he provided an interesting
Speaker 2: example of let's say, someone who had fallen out of
Speaker 2: line with the way that things were going, because clearly
Speaker 2: there had been you know, some real problems in terms
Speaker 2: of leading up to the mass deaths that occurred. Right,
Speaker 2: the internal group dynamics were kind of like, at least
Speaker 2: leading up to the tragedies, things were snowballing, right, there
Speaker 2: was an escalation, and I think what had happened is
Speaker 2: that Joseph de maambro One Luke Jerra was under investigation
Speaker 2: for arms smuggling, all right, and so you already have
Speaker 2: this is uh oh right now, now we have a
Speaker 2: legitimate concern that this is going to come out and
Speaker 2: we'll see the light of day in terms of the
Speaker 2: covert operation being conducted utilizing the occult organization as a
Speaker 2: plausible cutout. Now, that doesn't mean none of the individuals
Speaker 2: involved the OTS, uh. I think that very many of
Speaker 2: them practice this belief system legitimately. You know, we're attempting
Speaker 2: to transit to the star Sirius, right, which is it's
Speaker 2: a hilarious.
Speaker 8: Uh you know, just I think as far as we're
Speaker 8: trying to get on Haley's common you know what I
Speaker 8: mean with the Heaven's Gate right.
Speaker 2: Right, it was curious about it. I will say it's
Speaker 2: crazy because the rudimentary ideas of like uh, you know,
Speaker 2: the as far as just like what they were teaching.
Speaker 2: You know, the the Blue Star appeared some too out
Speaker 2: twenty six thousand years ago.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: The Star serious home of a number of ascended masters
Speaker 2: known as the Great White Brotherhood. Yep, right there, who can.
Speaker 8: Part of the hypnosis campaign of these activities is to
Speaker 8: convince folks, isn't to embed these ideas and the folks subconscious?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense, but I mean it's it's like
Speaker 2: they're talking about this Great White Brotherhood coming to Earth
Speaker 2: inhabiting a subterranean spiritual realm known as a Gartha and
Speaker 2: uh right, and and these masters. Oh I know this
Speaker 2: happened to me, and I did whatever this say is
Speaker 2: with Sam, what you're what you're describing. There was the
Speaker 2: gun trade, the drug trade, all these things.
Speaker 8: It's that this is the same formula, the same you
Speaker 8: know format we see time after time with the same
Speaker 8: ancient alien cargo cult foundation.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, man, yeah, yeah, I think that. You know,
Speaker 2: it's it's very strange because like when it when when
Speaker 2: you see that what these masters were Oh man, yeah,
Speaker 2: that there's a there's another one too. There's a couple
Speaker 2: of different renditions, but they're all very very similar, and.
Speaker 9: I've seen before, I'm sure neck.
Speaker 2: My god, but it is crazy because apparently what they
Speaker 2: were claiming, these masters were basically souls and uh and
Speaker 2: you you could occasionally manifest, uh as far as these
Speaker 2: these ascended masters could could Basically they would occasionally manifest
Speaker 2: themselves in corp corporeal form, right, yeah, and.
Speaker 8: So that was where Germaine, right, that's the big one. Right,
Speaker 8: They're like, he keeps coming back because that's their belief system.
Speaker 2: Right at the exactly Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's it's
Speaker 2: super crazy because it basically this is where they would
Speaker 2: have the special effects come into play with the with
Speaker 2: these underground chambers that the temple members would would gather
Speaker 2: and and privileged members could be granted. Uh. Basically I
Speaker 2: can respect.
Speaker 8: The performative nature of that at least, right, I mean,
Speaker 8: at least they put some effort into They weren't half assed,
Speaker 8: and they took a.
Speaker 2: Care, especially if you're on a sedatives and psychedelics or
Speaker 2: something at the same time and you're sort of like
Speaker 2: in and out. People pay good money for that. All
Speaker 2: people pay good money for that.
Speaker 7: Confusing me, It's like, if you've already given them ro hypnol.
Speaker 7: Why do you then need to give them the doc
Speaker 7: strap to like their heart what?
Speaker 3: Yes, the real hypnol will slow your heart rate is
Speaker 3: very similar to xanax. And then the cardiac indication for
Speaker 3: the dejockson has a really small therapeutic window. So if
Speaker 3: you give that in too much of a dose, which
Speaker 3: it could have been given IV or in liquid form,
Speaker 3: pill form, whatever, after they were already woozy from the
Speaker 3: row hypnol, then they it just makes your heart stop.
Speaker 9: You just go to bed.
Speaker 7: Why so why is this the drink that they were drinking,
Speaker 7: Because it's like, why do you didn't need to poison
Speaker 7: them and then burn them on.
Speaker 6: Top of that burning?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 9: Yeah, but the poisoning, I mean maybe they were used
Speaker 9: to it.
Speaker 3: Maybe they were like ready for their party because they're
Speaker 3: used to seeing these ascended masters with drugs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that what we're talking about? The drug they said.
Speaker 2: The alleged story here is that the burning was was
Speaker 2: in direct as far as it was directly symbolizing the
Speaker 2: fifty four martyred templars from the thirteen hundred.
Speaker 6: From Friday the thirteen yea.
Speaker 8: And by the way, the boy which again if I'm
Speaker 8: speaks to this society that when when I saw that
Speaker 8: theology and again I looked at the guy's history.
Speaker 2: I that's when I started.
Speaker 8: Going deep into the Jerray situation with the Society of Cincinnati,
Speaker 8: because the Society of the Cincinnati literally is the modern day
Speaker 8: Nights Templar. They are the descendants of the Templar, and
Speaker 8: they are a modern day knighthood.
Speaker 2: I'm going to have to do an episode on that
Speaker 2: organization because I did one on the Pilgrim Society and
Speaker 2: the Anglo American establishment, and I couldn't well.
Speaker 8: If I made a hereditary member of the Society of
Speaker 8: the Cincinnati, a US cender from Mississippi. I believe it's
Speaker 8: founded the Pilgrim Society.
Speaker 2: So god, dude, oh my god, it's just so crazy.
Speaker 2: You know, this is never ending, but everything tends to
Speaker 2: overlap at this level of research. It's so interesting as
Speaker 2: far for sure.
Speaker 8: But I think that's why we see the Templar stuff.
Speaker 8: You see what I'm saying, like, this is a generational
Speaker 8: This is getting passed down to folks like Jerre here, right.
Speaker 6: Who's got me share screen?
Speaker 2: That's right. We don't stare, we don't stare into this logan.
Speaker 6: No, I was just gonna.
Speaker 2: Say, look at it.
Speaker 6: I know JJ.
Speaker 7: I was gonna say, if you can pull it up,
Speaker 7: you can call the videos on on YouTube of their rituals.
Speaker 6: They're available on YouTube.
Speaker 2: It's crazy foot, right.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Actually, I don't know video and stuff. I might actually
Speaker 5: I have videos. I just don't know what they are,
Speaker 5: but I have ripped videos from even when I covered
Speaker 5: this the first time.
Speaker 7: Important for people if you could pull it up to
Speaker 7: see because it's so ritualistic in nature, the colors, the
Speaker 7: the garb, they stepping up to this altar and do
Speaker 7: I can't believe it's on YouTube. Actually, it's kind of
Speaker 7: freaking Yeah.
Speaker 8: I did not know any of these things, right, but
Speaker 8: I'd be wonder be it interested to see the comparisons
Speaker 8: to some of these other Knights, Temple, Catholic, you know,
Speaker 8: influences on these rituals.
Speaker 6: Well, it looks like a hybrid mix both of those things.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they've got capes and hoods and gloos.
Speaker 8: Martin Martinists, Yeah, oh yeah, they were at well, if
Speaker 8: you recall the Martinists, the Society, the French chapter of
Speaker 8: the Society, the Grand orient Lodge, and the Martinists all
Speaker 8: have an epicenter there with.
Speaker 2: His names escaped me. I think the air of the
Speaker 2: I think he was the air of the Swedish.
Speaker 8: Throne, if I remember correctly, the guy I'm thinking of
Speaker 8: it least, I said, I'll have to get back to
Speaker 8: I think I sent you know on the last week,
Speaker 8: but I've already forgotten what it was too.
Speaker 9: So well, and not that the Martinists of nowadays are
Speaker 9: like this, I just want to clarify. I don't know
Speaker 9: what they do.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know their theology, but here's and everything
Speaker 3: gets perverted. So but they are a solemonic practicing sect.
Speaker 3: So that's important because they actually practice magic. And one
Speaker 3: of the days that they practice and call down these
Speaker 3: spirits is the Spring equinox, which is right close to
Speaker 3: when the second event happened.
Speaker 8: So I not, you know, really interesting, right when the
Speaker 8: Heaven's Gate I was caught that trip. To Haley's comment
Speaker 8: on the spring notes exactly, yep, my god, that is
Speaker 8: that is just like Jorra.
Speaker 2: By the way, like both both Demembro and je Ray
Speaker 2: claimed to be reincarnations, right like of these of these
Speaker 2: insane like Gray himself said he was Saint Bernard of
Speaker 2: Clairval and uh right, and yeah, and the founder of it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: the founder himself, which is just crazy. But but and
Speaker 2: then Demembro he claimed past incarnations like that they could
Speaker 2: basically they were reincarnations of multiple entities, including one of
Speaker 2: the Egyptian pharaohs, and one of Jesus' twelve disciples was
Speaker 2: was another one that he legitimately claimed, and he said
Speaker 2: that he was also somehow at the very same time
Speaker 2: the Roman soldier who pierced Jesus' side at the crucifix
Speaker 2: and away skills. He's very prolific man, this guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: no ship and uh what it also obviously de Mambro
Speaker 2: himself claimed to be one of the ascended masters. Monotonous,
Speaker 2: I think is the name of that ascended master. But
Speaker 2: it's it's very strange that that clearly you had like
Speaker 2: this this you know, as I mentioned, you had like
Speaker 2: a pay to play system where like these these wealthier
Speaker 2: individuals and within the cult would pay for the they
Speaker 2: to become privileged members and you would get you would
Speaker 2: get specifically kind of like rituals tailored toward you, you know,
Speaker 2: in various ways. But but also you would be given
Speaker 2: this opportunity to witness these epiphanies from the ascended masters
Speaker 2: uh and and uh and the visions right that apparently
Speaker 2: would would be provided to to the initiates or the
Speaker 2: initiated members right and and apparently this.
Speaker 5: Is when the.
Speaker 1: Closure eyes look into the darkness, find the blazing star.
Speaker 1: Hold on to it, Let it become the eclipse.
Speaker 2: Don't feel.
Speaker 1: Let the show will begin in death. There sh