WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.240 --> 00:00:01.639 Thank you for joining us, folks. 2 00:00:01.720 --> 00:00:05.679 Tonight is February tenth, Monday, and we have some breaking 3 00:00:05.719 --> 00:00:09.000 news here on the nonprofits. This justin we may have 4 00:00:09.359 --> 00:00:13.400 Goliath's actual height and a medical diagnosis for the giant. 5 00:00:13.720 --> 00:00:17.320 Taking us through this story is Rob. He's on the scene, Rob. 6 00:00:18.160 --> 00:00:18.440 Yeah. 7 00:00:18.600 --> 00:00:23.760 Scientists have new archaeological surveys giving us evidence that may 8 00:00:23.800 --> 00:00:26.879 give a new and frankly more reasonable height for the 9 00:00:26.879 --> 00:00:31.719 biblical giant Goliath. Look, measuring things is really hard. I 10 00:00:31.839 --> 00:00:34.759 used to do woodworking, so I can't imagine what measuring 11 00:00:34.840 --> 00:00:37.679 things from a thousand years ago is like and trying 12 00:00:37.719 --> 00:00:40.079 to come up with the same measurement one thousand or 13 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:43.119 thousands of years later. Ultimately, though, I have to ask, 14 00:00:43.159 --> 00:00:46.439 does this even matter? This story is from The Daily 15 00:00:46.679 --> 00:00:50.320 Mail Online by William Hunter on January twenty six, twenty 16 00:00:50.359 --> 00:00:50.880 twenty five. 17 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:54.200 Well let's just start there, Rob, Does this matter? 18 00:00:54.399 --> 00:00:54.439 No? 19 00:00:54.880 --> 00:00:58.679 Oh? That was that was quick? Why not? Because? 20 00:00:59.359 --> 00:00:59.439 Like? 21 00:00:59.479 --> 00:00:59.719 Why? 22 00:00:59.759 --> 00:00:59.960 Though? 23 00:01:00.000 --> 00:01:03.200 So like in some ways I can if I were 24 00:01:03.479 --> 00:01:06.480 a person who believed deeply in the Bible, then especially 25 00:01:06.519 --> 00:01:10.480 if it were inerrant and perfect in every way, then 26 00:01:10.560 --> 00:01:12.879 like I don't need anything to tell me about this anyway. 27 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:14.959 But that's not a good reason to believe anything. But 28 00:01:15.079 --> 00:01:17.480 like Noah's arc, people say that they have found that 29 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:19.280 on like the mountains and stuff like that, and you 30 00:01:19.319 --> 00:01:21.879 can find much more easy archaeological evidence for that sort 31 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:26.879 of thing, like we have we found the burial grounds 32 00:01:26.920 --> 00:01:31.040 the tombs of various pharaohs through archaeological research, Like we 33 00:01:31.079 --> 00:01:33.959 can find those things, but those are more more significant 34 00:01:34.120 --> 00:01:37.680 discoveries as opposed to like, there was a dude who 35 00:01:37.840 --> 00:01:41.760 was big and then he died somewhere. He may not 36 00:01:41.840 --> 00:01:47.200 have been like preserved or given a sacred burial site, 37 00:01:47.640 --> 00:01:50.599 So can we even find it in the first place, So, 38 00:01:50.719 --> 00:01:52.560 like it's gonna be hard to find, if it's even 39 00:01:52.599 --> 00:01:54.599 possible to find, And if we do find it, what 40 00:01:54.680 --> 00:01:55.920 are we gonna find out? He's big? 41 00:01:56.120 --> 00:01:58.079 Like whatever? Well, yeah, you're right. 42 00:01:58.200 --> 00:02:00.760 So I think the author of this article did present 43 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:06.480 some reasons why this story was designed theoretically the way 44 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:09.039 it was, if it was kind of a made up 45 00:02:09.319 --> 00:02:11.960 literary device, if you will. But before we move on 46 00:02:12.039 --> 00:02:15.240 to that, I do want to talk about the gigantism. 47 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:18.120 The author calls it giantism. I think the correct term 48 00:02:18.159 --> 00:02:21.919 is gigantism. In any case, I want to ask Helen, 49 00:02:23.120 --> 00:02:27.840 what does the research on gigantism or the diagnosis do 50 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:30.199 for the case of the Goliath if anything? 51 00:02:30.639 --> 00:02:33.360 Well, I think what I found interest about this like 52 00:02:33.800 --> 00:02:37.840 the biblical story fine, like whatever, but I can understand, 53 00:02:37.879 --> 00:02:41.960 like with this particular thing about giganticism, that it existed, 54 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:44.599 and we have mentions of giants in the Bible. 55 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:49.560 I'm sure that the ancient Israelites that didn't understand like 56 00:02:49.680 --> 00:02:54.159 you know, an overactor diroy that causes excessive growth, didn't 57 00:02:54.240 --> 00:02:57.680 understand that it causes a lot of other additional medical 58 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:00.680 problems for being as big as the these people were. 59 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:04.879 So the fact that this article kind of went into 60 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:09.879 those issues I found very interesting, Like even how they measured. 61 00:03:10.360 --> 00:03:13.080 Because again, as Rob said in his intro. 62 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:16.599 About going, how do we know what the what the 63 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:20.280 process was, you know, twenty over two thousand years ago 64 00:03:20.400 --> 00:03:23.360 versus you know how I mean, like we have different 65 00:03:23.400 --> 00:03:27.520 measuring systems now. So I thought that was really interesting, 66 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:29.599 not so much like I like the you know, the 67 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:34.280 faith should find, but I thought that also if you know, 68 00:03:34.759 --> 00:03:38.280 to these ancient Israelites, like just let's just say, okay 69 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:42.719 that David killed Gli with a sling shot, and you know, 70 00:03:42.759 --> 00:03:46.039 you have this average height man, like let's say he's 71 00:03:46.080 --> 00:03:49.199 like five foot eight versus someone that might be, you know, 72 00:03:49.400 --> 00:03:53.520 as like seven feet tall or whatever. That to an 73 00:03:53.560 --> 00:03:57.080 ancient Israelite that didn't understand, like how you know, this 74 00:03:57.159 --> 00:04:03.080 particular medical condition and merged with seem. 75 00:04:02.599 --> 00:04:04.439 You know, extraordinary. 76 00:04:04.879 --> 00:04:07.719 And even though we understand the medical condition, like this 77 00:04:07.840 --> 00:04:11.719 medical addition is very rare, so even to us that 78 00:04:11.919 --> 00:04:13.960 you know, when I see something that's like really, really 79 00:04:13.960 --> 00:04:18.160 fucking tall, you know, I'm kind of like wow. 80 00:04:18.879 --> 00:04:21.319 So the author, the author alludes to the fact that 81 00:04:21.399 --> 00:04:24.439 back back in these times in the Middle East, the 82 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:27.360 average sized person was about five to three, which is 83 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:32.839 consistent with Egypt and other areas. So seeing somebody that's 84 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.240 even like six foot five, which is still big by 85 00:04:35.279 --> 00:04:37.519 standards today, probably was even. 86 00:04:37.279 --> 00:04:38.079 Bigger back then. 87 00:04:38.879 --> 00:04:42.439 But there's a lot going on in this article where 88 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:45.519 we're not just talking about we're not just talking about 89 00:04:45.519 --> 00:04:48.480 his height and his size, which I think by the 90 00:04:48.519 --> 00:04:51.519 standard account is like nine feet right, And everybody was 91 00:04:51.560 --> 00:04:53.000 scared shitless of Goliath. 92 00:04:53.160 --> 00:04:54.639 He wasn't just out there one day. 93 00:04:54.720 --> 00:04:56.920 There was like forty days straight that he was coming 94 00:04:56.920 --> 00:05:00.199 out every morning and terrorizing the Israelite to being Okay, 95 00:05:00.199 --> 00:05:02.480 who's going to come fight me? But I want to 96 00:05:02.519 --> 00:05:05.319 ask aj you know, given the conditions, So the author 97 00:05:05.399 --> 00:05:10.199 lays out some conditions consistent with gigantism that would have 98 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:11.560 afflicted Goliath. 99 00:05:11.720 --> 00:05:15.199 Does it make sense that Goliath would have been chosen 100 00:05:15.279 --> 00:05:16.439 to fight at all? 101 00:05:16.639 --> 00:05:20.639 Well, here's the thing. Goliath was supposed to be a Philistine, 102 00:05:20.920 --> 00:05:25.279 which is like the sons of the Nephilins and the humans. 103 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:28.360 The Nephelins were supposed to be these giants that came 104 00:05:28.399 --> 00:05:32.319 from heaven according to the Bible, and so the Philistines 105 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:36.079 were their sons, their children, and they were supposed to 106 00:05:36.079 --> 00:05:41.319 be very large. So according to the story, Goliath wasn't 107 00:05:41.399 --> 00:05:46.519 necessarily much bigger than all of his family or other 108 00:05:46.560 --> 00:05:49.199 people of the City of God where they lived, where 109 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:52.480 they resided, but they were big to the people that 110 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:58.519 did not live there. So, as Helene mentioned, when people 111 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:02.160 have gigantism, it can be due to issues with the 112 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:04.879 pituitary grant. It can be a tumor, or it can 113 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:09.399 be just like an overproduction of growth hormone, and these giants, 114 00:06:09.519 --> 00:06:13.639 because of that, because the growth hormone doesn't stop producing, 115 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:18.000 they can develop so they can develop. Their body can 116 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:20.959 become so big that they can develop all these severe 117 00:06:21.040 --> 00:06:24.079 hope issues, like you know, it can affect their vision, 118 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:27.480 it can affect their blood flow because humans are not 119 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:31.319 meant to be that size, and we're talking about gigantism, 120 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:34.920 we're talking about medical condition that exists even today, so 121 00:06:34.959 --> 00:06:40.160 these are fact. Another thing it can cause is their 122 00:06:40.199 --> 00:06:45.079 heart to pump blood so hard that it causes heart disease. 123 00:06:45.199 --> 00:06:49.519 And most people with gigantism die like their twenties or 124 00:06:49.519 --> 00:06:54.240 thirties due to heart conditions. And in the case of Goliad, 125 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:57.040 like you ask, would he have been chosen? Maybe maybe 126 00:06:57.079 --> 00:07:00.279 he's a little bit larger than his siblings or you know, 127 00:07:00.319 --> 00:07:02.399 other people in the city, so maybe that's why he 128 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:06.680 was chosen. But I found interesting that one of the 129 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:09.720 descriptions of the Bible says that he came out to 130 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:16.160 meet David with someone in front of him in a shield, 131 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:18.279 like a shield barror, And it makes you wonder, like, 132 00:07:18.439 --> 00:07:22.279 did they know that he has some type of health issue? 133 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:26.199 Yeah, so that's a good segue because now we're starting 134 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:29.759 to get into without any proof of what's happening, without 135 00:07:29.759 --> 00:07:33.199 a body, right, maybe we can come up with a motive. 136 00:07:33.519 --> 00:07:36.240 You know why, why. 137 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:39.879 All of these details in the story, and we start 138 00:07:39.920 --> 00:07:44.120 picking them apart and trying to create a story when really, Rob, 139 00:07:44.160 --> 00:07:46.319 I think to your point when you say it doesn't 140 00:07:46.399 --> 00:07:50.079 matter right who cares or something along those lines, it's 141 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:52.680 not important. I want to try and look at a 142 00:07:52.720 --> 00:07:56.199 different side of things. So let's forget about the characteristics 143 00:07:56.199 --> 00:08:00.480 of Goliath and let's talk about maybe the underlying story 144 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:03.680 that we're not talking about. What are some of the 145 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:05.160 literary devices at play? 146 00:08:05.199 --> 00:08:05.480 Maybe? 147 00:08:05.519 --> 00:08:08.720 What are some of the agendas that are being represented? 148 00:08:08.759 --> 00:08:12.600 What are your thoughts on some of the alternative theories 149 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:13.639 that the author lays out. 150 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:18.639 So his giant gigantism, the stature of him, the size 151 00:08:18.639 --> 00:08:21.439 of him in the article, they say, it's probably a 152 00:08:21.680 --> 00:08:24.240 literary device, and I think that's just obviously true, or 153 00:08:24.240 --> 00:08:27.120 at least yeah, obviously true there. I don't know if 154 00:08:27.160 --> 00:08:30.680 you ever remember Shiloh the Reading Dog TV show, but 155 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:34.840 they covered David and the Goliath in one of their episodes, 156 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.080 and at the end of each episode they would always 157 00:08:37.120 --> 00:08:39.600 be like doul little bloopers, and in this one was like, 158 00:08:39.879 --> 00:08:43.600 sound effects are really important for TV shows. Watch what 159 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:47.159 happens when Goliath comes out stomping out, but there's no 160 00:08:47.240 --> 00:08:49.080 sound effects. So they show him and he comes out, 161 00:08:49.120 --> 00:08:51.080 there's no sound effects. It's like, oh, he doesn't like 162 00:08:51.120 --> 00:08:55.600 make the groundshake. So how a story is told very 163 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:59.039 much informs how the story is received. It also very 164 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:02.559 much informs the message of the story. So of course 165 00:09:02.720 --> 00:09:07.279 little old David has God's grace on his side, and 166 00:09:07.320 --> 00:09:11.639 he beats the biggest guy in town. That's the effect 167 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:15.639 of the story. So his size in many ways is 168 00:09:15.679 --> 00:09:18.519 not relevant except for he's big. 169 00:09:19.919 --> 00:09:23.799 So you know, there are so many other characteristics though, 170 00:09:24.120 --> 00:09:26.919 or conditions in this region that I think need to 171 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:30.559 be talked about as well. So the Israelites we see, 172 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:34.879 unfortunately today the Jewish people and the descendants of the 173 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:38.000 Canaanites in general still fighting over land. 174 00:09:38.159 --> 00:09:40.600 Back then it was no different, they were fighting over land. 175 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:45.320 I think that, if I understand it correctly, the Canaanites 176 00:09:45.360 --> 00:09:48.200 were enemies with the Philistines, but actually were dominated by 177 00:09:48.200 --> 00:09:50.240 the Philistines earlier in their past right. 178 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:53.440 And then this battle takes place now. 179 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:57.720 The author points out that the measurement of Goliath is 180 00:09:57.759 --> 00:10:01.399 actually consistent with the walls the city of Gath, where 181 00:10:01.440 --> 00:10:04.559 Goliath was from right, So is there is there not 182 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:10.799 another kind of metaphor happening where David beating Goliath is 183 00:10:10.879 --> 00:10:15.879 really the Israelites sacking the Philistines on their home territory 184 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:17.960 and taking their their land. I mean, I feel like 185 00:10:18.039 --> 00:10:21.080 that's a more plausible argument given what we know about 186 00:10:21.080 --> 00:10:24.080 the Bible and just the way things are taken out 187 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:26.919 of context. I don't know, Helen, what's a more plausible 188 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:29.840 argument or what is what is your take on these 189 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:31.039 arguments being presented. 190 00:10:31.759 --> 00:10:35.799 So, because we know that the Bible's writing a lot 191 00:10:35.840 --> 00:10:37.600 of metaphor, that's. 192 00:10:37.399 --> 00:10:39.679 The realm that it exists in. 193 00:10:39.919 --> 00:10:42.519 You know, there's a lot of conjecture that we can 194 00:10:42.559 --> 00:10:47.159 make when we're reading this text regardless are not of 195 00:10:47.360 --> 00:10:52.000 if Goliath was knifeing tall or you know, or was 196 00:10:52.039 --> 00:10:54.360 the same height as the fucking laws, Like, we can 197 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:59.240 make that conjecture he might have, like if we can, 198 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:02.440 like let's just say, okay that you know, David's five 199 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:05.679 ' three ang lithe is seven feet tall. If he 200 00:11:05.919 --> 00:11:09.120 is that tall or even like six foot five, you know, 201 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:11.720 that is such a. 202 00:11:11.720 --> 00:11:13.879 High difference that it seems extraordinary. 203 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:18.840 And also if he's from an opposing city and you know, 204 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:22.080 and we're they're kind of combining all these sort of 205 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:26.320 like conjectures and ideas together. We can you know, the 206 00:11:26.360 --> 00:11:29.039 inference would be like, you know, through the metaphor that 207 00:11:29.080 --> 00:11:32.559 they're talking about, you know, I'm actually taking the walls 208 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:35.600 down and invading the city. Rather than talking about a 209 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:38.639 man or, they're talking about a literal man that came 210 00:11:38.679 --> 00:11:41.440 from the city and you know, combining the two together 211 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:45.240 because religion does that as well. So you know, but 212 00:11:45.399 --> 00:11:50.919 without actual evidence of you know, someone from this city 213 00:11:51.080 --> 00:11:54.720 that was nine feet tall, it is just conjecture. 214 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:55.200 You know. 215 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:57.799 It can be a metaphor, it could be a man or, 216 00:11:57.799 --> 00:11:59.519 it can be a little bit of both, but there's 217 00:11:59.519 --> 00:12:03.200 no way to actually test for it. So a lot 218 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:06.320 and the article kind of alludes to that. So you know, 219 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:09.159 I'm not like, I think it's interesting, Like I love 220 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:12.879 learning about like you know, biblical pass like through like 221 00:12:12.919 --> 00:12:15.600 a historical and scientific lens, Like I love that shit. 222 00:12:16.480 --> 00:12:18.960 But as far as like the way the story is told, 223 00:12:19.039 --> 00:12:21.519 like I'm not putting all my eggs and eat either. 224 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:21.840 Bass. 225 00:12:21.919 --> 00:12:23.279 It's kind of distribution. 226 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:25.639 Yeah, Rob's point. 227 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:28.600 You know, you probably don't get much from this. It's 228 00:12:28.600 --> 00:12:31.639 pretty insignificant, but you know, Aj, I thought that you 229 00:12:31.759 --> 00:12:32.960 had go ahead, Rob, go ahead. 230 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:35.120 I'm going to kick it to AJ. But I did 231 00:12:35.159 --> 00:12:36.559 mention you go ahead real quick. 232 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:42.240 That's that's why I said to me the biblical parts 233 00:12:42.279 --> 00:12:45.840 sound of interesting, because, like I said earlier, and I 234 00:12:45.840 --> 00:12:48.519 think Helen mentioned that, there's just they measured things in 235 00:12:48.559 --> 00:12:51.240 different ways. I'm going to put a pin in that 236 00:12:51.360 --> 00:12:55.639 new thing. Most people, for most of history are illiterate, 237 00:12:55.840 --> 00:12:59.120 and most people when they engage with a book has 238 00:12:59.200 --> 00:13:02.960 been an autumn, even the people when could read. There's 239 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:05.559 a reason why Shakespeare is in iambic pentameter because it's 240 00:13:05.559 --> 00:13:07.679 easier to memorize if it's structured, and that's how epic 241 00:13:07.679 --> 00:13:09.799 poems work as well, like the Iliod in the Odyssey. 242 00:13:10.240 --> 00:13:11.720 So like I. 243 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:13.879 Actually I didn't think about like, oh, it's a metaphor. 244 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:15.480 If he is the size of the city's wall and 245 00:13:15.519 --> 00:13:17.639 he has destroyed him, therefore he's destroyed the city wall. 246 00:13:17.720 --> 00:13:20.720 Like that's cute, but it's also just a really good 247 00:13:20.879 --> 00:13:24.240 memory tool of orally passing this tradition of do you 248 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:26.720 see that wall he was that big? 249 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:27.200 Wow? 250 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:28.679 Yeah that's that's good. 251 00:13:28.799 --> 00:13:32.600 Yeah, Yeah, that's a really good analysis. 252 00:13:32.679 --> 00:13:34.360 Yeah, that's a really good analysis. 253 00:13:34.360 --> 00:13:36.559 And yeah, I mean this is the time, this is 254 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:39.080 the time before the Bible was really being written down. 255 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:40.720 You know, everything's in oral history. 256 00:13:41.039 --> 00:13:41.240 Aj. 257 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:42.919 I know you have a point, but I want to 258 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:44.799 ask you a question and then you just feel free 259 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:48.159 to take it. So you brought up a good point 260 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:52.399 leading up to this talking about David was asking the 261 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:55.759 man standing near the side of the battle, what happens 262 00:13:55.799 --> 00:14:00.840 to the person that kills Goliath? And basically the response was, oh, 263 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:03.399 they get all these rewards, and you kind of pointed 264 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:07.120 towards selfishness. So maybe there's something else going on that 265 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:09.279 we haven't covered yet in this story, and go ahead, 266 00:14:09.320 --> 00:14:09.919 the floor is you will. 267 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:12.480 Yeah, No, that was exactly my point that I was 268 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:15.919 that was about to cover, okay, like because I was thinking, like, uh, 269 00:14:16.279 --> 00:14:19.799 the story is supposed to be to lead to David 270 00:14:19.919 --> 00:14:22.440 becoming king and all of that. Like King David is 271 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:25.559 like a main cue part of the Bible, right, so 272 00:14:26.039 --> 00:14:28.559 they want to make they have to make him look good. 273 00:14:28.639 --> 00:14:30.799 They have to make him look like the winner, like 274 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:35.360 he beat up this gigantic, massive, you know, opponent, but 275 00:14:35.720 --> 00:14:39.279 they make him look like he was this selfless servant 276 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:40.000 of God. 277 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:40.879 But what's here? 278 00:14:41.000 --> 00:14:45.080 Or was he just selfish? Because David asks the men 279 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:47.799 that are near him, and he's like, well, what is 280 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:50.159 going to happen if you as you asked? Like, what 281 00:14:50.279 --> 00:14:53.960 is going to happen to whoever kills this philistine and 282 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:59.039 removes him from Isuel? Like funny enough, he calls Goliath 283 00:15:00.120 --> 00:15:04.320 circumcis philistine. I don't know why he goes there, but 284 00:15:04.559 --> 00:15:09.919 he goes there. So then he asked several other people 285 00:15:10.039 --> 00:15:12.360 like what is the world going to be? What am 286 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:13.159 I going to get? 287 00:15:13.519 --> 00:15:13.759 You know? 288 00:15:13.919 --> 00:15:14.840 If I beat him up? 289 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:17.120 Like I don't, I don't want not, I don't want 290 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:19.360 to do this if I'm not gonna get anything. And 291 00:15:19.440 --> 00:15:23.519 apparently the price was getting worked from King Saul. He 292 00:15:23.679 --> 00:15:25.919 was not going to pay taxes, and he was going 293 00:15:26.000 --> 00:15:29.919 to get one of Saul's daughter's hands in marriage, so 294 00:15:30.200 --> 00:15:31.320 he was also. 295 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:33.279 Going to totally okay with that. 296 00:15:33.519 --> 00:15:35.200 Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. 297 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:38.879 He probably probably like, hey, just pick whichever you want, 298 00:15:38.960 --> 00:15:42.039 you know, like and then apparently know, how do you 299 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:42.600 even knew. 300 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:45.639 The state of glass Penis Like that's what I want 301 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:45.879 to know. 302 00:15:46.320 --> 00:15:47.440 I don't want to know. 303 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:52.679 There's so much I'm sorry, but what I want to 304 00:15:52.720 --> 00:15:56.559 know is why David the shepherd came to bring bread 305 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:59.759 into the village and automatically got an audience with the king, 306 00:16:00.080 --> 00:16:02.519 Like this happens more than once in the Bible, Like 307 00:16:02.639 --> 00:16:06.559 how many times do people bring bread into a city 308 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:08.039 like meet even the mayor. 309 00:16:08.279 --> 00:16:11.320 You know, this is just crazy, but go ahead, aj please. 310 00:16:11.519 --> 00:16:11.720 Yeah. 311 00:16:11.799 --> 00:16:17.240 Like his brothers were also calling him conceited and wicked 312 00:16:17.360 --> 00:16:19.519 him and they were like, you're just coming over here 313 00:16:19.559 --> 00:16:23.559 to watch the fight. Like it's a really, really weird story. 314 00:16:24.600 --> 00:16:28.559 It makes you also wonder why did King Saul believe 315 00:16:28.720 --> 00:16:33.399 David literally a child Like David goes and he's like, well, 316 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:36.120 you know I can kill him because I killed the 317 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:39.360 lion that attacked my father's sheep, and then I killed 318 00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:42.120 the bear doing the same, Like it was just it 319 00:16:42.159 --> 00:16:43.240 was just a claim. 320 00:16:43.320 --> 00:16:47.039 Just to claim, and the loser becomes the subject of 321 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:49.320 the other. So let me take this kid that I've 322 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:51.639 never met that lives in the woods, that is a 323 00:16:51.639 --> 00:16:54.360 shepherd that showed up with a rock and a sling. 324 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:56.720 Yeah, I will bet my kingdom on this. 325 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:00.440 You know, I think this is probably just a way 326 00:17:00.679 --> 00:17:04.359 of of aggrandizing the Israelites. 327 00:17:03.679 --> 00:17:06.480 Right, and it's legend, it's it's myth. 328 00:17:06.680 --> 00:17:11.400 It's uh and making others look stupid, look weak, even 329 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:16.160 if the gigantism diagnosis is correct and Goliath was actually 330 00:17:16.200 --> 00:17:19.039 like not only just massive, but couldn't see very well 331 00:17:19.039 --> 00:17:22.359 and was probably weak and had bad blood circulation. 332 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:25.200 I don't know, hey, man, I was gonna stay in 333 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:29.480 modern America. We have Paul Bunyan and they have Goliath. Okay, 334 00:17:29.559 --> 00:17:31.319 it's like we got folk. 335 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.359 Tales Paul Bunyon was Yeah, that's true, but Paul Bunyan, 336 00:17:34.480 --> 00:17:36.759 but he gets I don't remember the story of Paul Bunyan. 337 00:17:36.799 --> 00:17:39.079 I don't believe he was defeated by anybody, was he? 338 00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:43.200 I meant all, he just planted all the trees across America. 339 00:17:43.440 --> 00:17:45.119 Jimmy, that's how that worked. 340 00:17:47.640 --> 00:17:50.359 For the For the Israelites, you know, it's like we 341 00:17:50.440 --> 00:17:54.359 may look weak, we like, we may look insignificant, but 342 00:17:54.599 --> 00:17:57.279 you know we are great and and this is how 343 00:17:57.359 --> 00:17:59.880 you know we are. Look at this great nation that collapsed. 344 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.440 Do the same thing with the Egyptians in the Bible 345 00:18:02.480 --> 00:18:06.359 as well. You know, Abraham shows up to Egypt and 346 00:18:06.400 --> 00:18:09.119 they're like, hey, you want to meet the Pharaoh? Like yeah, yeah, 347 00:18:09.160 --> 00:18:12.680 because you're so great you could just go meet the Pharaoh. 348 00:18:12.720 --> 00:18:15.920 So I guess Helen, I want to turn back to you. Uh, 349 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:18.680 we cover a lot here, We covered a lot. You know, 350 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:23.400 We've got medical diagnoses, we've got literary devices. Any of 351 00:18:23.440 --> 00:18:27.000 this is does any of this help us in any way? 352 00:18:27.119 --> 00:18:29.160 Or is this just kind of a fun conversation. 353 00:18:30.079 --> 00:18:34.799 I well, I think this is just me for people 354 00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:38.240 that think the Bible's a errant, that this might be 355 00:18:38.759 --> 00:18:41.640 like it'sot experiment for you like just like, let's just 356 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:44.920 because of the things that he brought up about history 357 00:18:45.039 --> 00:18:50.160 and about like you know what peopless perspectives of certain 358 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:53.839 maleclinditions in the past might have been, that it might 359 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:58.839 that inflating you know, things out of you know, making 360 00:18:58.920 --> 00:19:04.359 the ordinary shortinairy that I'm hoping, you know, the people 361 00:19:04.440 --> 00:19:06.440 that you know take the Bible as an aaron will 362 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:08.200 just give him a moment to think, because like to me, 363 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:11.480 I'm like, Okay, that's cool, it's an interesting conversation that 364 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:14.400 we're having right now. But I'm hoping that you know, 365 00:19:14.640 --> 00:19:17.440 for you know, the average person that is a believer, 366 00:19:17.599 --> 00:19:20.240 that it will just give them a moment to go hmmm, 367 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:23.839 you know, and just maybe a little bit of skepticism 368 00:19:23.880 --> 00:19:24.640 will enter their brain. 369 00:19:24.640 --> 00:19:24.880 Brain. 370 00:19:25.079 --> 00:19:27.720 Well, we know what that conversation usually looks like. You know, 371 00:19:27.799 --> 00:19:31.559 you just question God's plan. Rob, I'll go to you, 372 00:19:31.599 --> 00:19:33.279 and then AJ will close out with you. I'd like 373 00:19:33.319 --> 00:19:35.200 to know, you know, what's the moral of the story here, 374 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:37.240 What are we walking away with now? 375 00:19:37.400 --> 00:19:39.720 I would honestly just treat it as a folkale, and 376 00:19:39.759 --> 00:19:41.759 I think that that is the best way to do it. 377 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:44.599 In fact, to me, for fun fact, I think the 378 00:19:44.640 --> 00:19:47.400 most believable part of the story is the is that 379 00:19:47.440 --> 00:19:48.960 he did kill him with the sling because I don't 380 00:19:48.960 --> 00:19:52.160 know if you've ever seen expert slingers, but in bronze 381 00:19:52.160 --> 00:19:55.559 age technology, that stuff is like gnarly and wicked. It 382 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:58.440 will destroy you, so like it doesn't matter how big 383 00:19:58.480 --> 00:20:00.240 you are. The dude got clocked in the head by 384 00:20:00.559 --> 00:20:04.640 a rock going almost mark one. Yeah, he died, okay. 385 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:07.839 But also another fun fact to what Rob just said, 386 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:10.599 the fact that he got hit in the head. It 387 00:20:10.680 --> 00:20:14.799 makes sense if he had gigantism because the pituitary gland 388 00:20:14.880 --> 00:20:17.559 is like right here, like right behind in between your eyes, 389 00:20:17.720 --> 00:20:20.480 so he could have got hit there. And you know, yeah, 390 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:21.759 it makes sense. 391 00:20:21.920 --> 00:20:23.799 You know what the thing that makes sense to me. 392 00:20:23.880 --> 00:20:26.480 The most I think is the fact that if there 393 00:20:26.559 --> 00:20:30.000 was a real battle, which archaeology seems to suggest just 394 00:20:30.039 --> 00:20:33.759 by digging up a bunch of arrowheads and bodies, I think. 395 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:35.400 But you know, if there was a real battle and 396 00:20:35.440 --> 00:20:38.319 the Israelites won, they got lucky. They beat you know, 397 00:20:38.359 --> 00:20:41.240 a pretty formidable army, and they said, we gotta tell 398 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:43.039 a tale about this, like as soon as possible. We 399 00:20:43.119 --> 00:20:46.640 got to push this out to everybody. And you know, 400 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:50.200 on another fun note, David didn't only kill him with 401 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:52.839