WEBVTT 1 00:00:10.800 --> 00:00:13.519 Welcome to the Bear Hunting Magazine Hunt Cast with me 2 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:16.879 Koby Morehead. We're gonna nerd out on bears hunting in 3 00:00:16.960 --> 00:00:21.239 the outdoors. We'll tell stories, talk biology, tactics, gear, and 4 00:00:21.280 --> 00:00:24.440 the fight to protect the pursuits that we hold dear, So, 5 00:00:24.559 --> 00:00:27.600 grab your bino's, lace up your boots, load up your barrels, 6 00:00:27.640 --> 00:00:30.679 and gather the helnds as we venture on this journey together. 7 00:00:43.679 --> 00:00:46.280 All right, welcome to another episode of the Bear Hunting 8 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:50.719 Magazine Hunt Cast. So last the last episode we had 9 00:00:50.759 --> 00:00:54.920 talked about what you bring to a hunt, talking about 10 00:00:55.320 --> 00:00:57.960 getting into hunting and the things that you bring. And 11 00:00:58.960 --> 00:01:02.000 this time is instead of jumping into tactics or anything, 12 00:01:02.000 --> 00:01:05.159 We're going to talk about something that is really coore 13 00:01:05.319 --> 00:01:08.319 to your experience in the outdoors, which is finding your 14 00:01:08.359 --> 00:01:12.799 tribe or finding the people to surround yourself with whenever 15 00:01:13.040 --> 00:01:18.120 you are out in the outdoors. And I'm bringing in 16 00:01:18.159 --> 00:01:20.280 one of my good buddies today to talk about this. 17 00:01:20.400 --> 00:01:24.519 Who is all about community in regards to the outdoors. 18 00:01:26.000 --> 00:01:26.879 So Jared Newman. 19 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:29.920 He's the founder of the Hunt League podcast, I mean 20 00:01:30.239 --> 00:01:33.359 the Hunt League app. And basically what the Hunt League 21 00:01:33.359 --> 00:01:36.480 app is, this is a personal journal where you can 22 00:01:36.840 --> 00:01:39.560 log all your hunts, you can go back and look 23 00:01:39.599 --> 00:01:42.120 through the experiences that you had and what notes that 24 00:01:42.200 --> 00:01:46.280 you take. And then there's also it's deeply community based 25 00:01:46.319 --> 00:01:49.200 so that you can share. You can share aspects of 26 00:01:49.239 --> 00:01:52.799 your hunt. You can share photos on a community wall, 27 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:59.480 and they just have a really good collective community there 28 00:01:59.519 --> 00:02:02.439 of just and if if there's any stinkers, they get 29 00:02:02.519 --> 00:02:03.280 they get the boot. 30 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:04.719 True. 31 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:09.560 Yeah, but uh, anyways, and I'm not saying that you 32 00:02:09.599 --> 00:02:13.560 know your tribe is something that you have to find. 33 00:02:13.639 --> 00:02:13.919 I know. 34 00:02:14.000 --> 00:02:18.599 For me, let me just give a little context. The 35 00:02:18.639 --> 00:02:22.560 reason that I want to have this conversation is there's 36 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:24.759 a buck that I've been after for two years and 37 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:27.520 I finally caught up to him about a week and 38 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:30.400 a half ago, and just a stud of a buck. 39 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:33.240 I've got a lot of history, uh with this deer, 40 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:35.479 but it was something that was so special to me. 41 00:02:36.199 --> 00:02:38.520 My first thought was not to go put it on 42 00:02:38.560 --> 00:02:41.319 social media, Like I still haven't put it on social media, 43 00:02:41.879 --> 00:02:45.599 but I sent that photo out to my tribe to 44 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:49.360 like all of my close friends who I really who 45 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:51.919 have heard about this buck, who have been close to 46 00:02:51.960 --> 00:02:56.240 the process, who would just celebrate with me and uh, 47 00:02:56.960 --> 00:03:01.159 and that's something that is important. Just killing that buck 48 00:03:01.639 --> 00:03:04.400 and just achieving that goal wouldn't have meant as much. 49 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:06.039 It wouldn't have been important to me if I didn't 50 00:03:06.080 --> 00:03:08.280 have the people to share it with. And so I 51 00:03:08.319 --> 00:03:13.479 think that having that built around you is something that 52 00:03:13.840 --> 00:03:18.840 is very core to your outdoor experience and your longevity 53 00:03:19.360 --> 00:03:23.840 inside of hunting. Like we all want people to celebrate 54 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:26.599 with that have our back center going to support us, 55 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:30.400 and then you know, hopefully they have have something to 56 00:03:30.439 --> 00:03:32.919 add to your process. You know, they can help you 57 00:03:33.639 --> 00:03:37.400 in different aspects as far as troubleshooting, like, oh, maybe 58 00:03:37.439 --> 00:03:40.120 you should key in on this and on this particular 59 00:03:40.159 --> 00:03:45.479 time and and keen on this food source right now. 60 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:49.400 Like there's a lot to be to be shared and 61 00:03:49.439 --> 00:03:53.159 gathered from from your tribe. And so welcome Jared. 62 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:57.080 It is an honor to be here. And I got 63 00:03:57.240 --> 00:04:00.759 to say congratulations on finally attacking that buck. I mean 64 00:04:00.759 --> 00:04:03.080 that was a moment that we got to celebrate together. 65 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:05.919 I mean the morning you shot at getting that text 66 00:04:05.960 --> 00:04:08.639 message from you, you know, when came together. 67 00:04:09.439 --> 00:04:11.759 Yes, that's what it's all about. It's fun. 68 00:04:12.159 --> 00:04:14.960 Oh you heard a lot about that buck because last 69 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:17.839 year we were going to Oregon, and that was I mean, 70 00:04:17.879 --> 00:04:23.360 we spent what over forty five fifty hours plus and 71 00:04:23.399 --> 00:04:25.480 a truck together over a week and a half. 72 00:04:29.240 --> 00:04:31.800 Got to hear you sing all your favorite Garth Brooks tunes. 73 00:04:31.839 --> 00:04:32.319 It was good. 74 00:04:32.720 --> 00:04:35.399 It's true, It's true. I'm a Garth Brooks fan. I'm 75 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:37.040 on a Luke Comb's kick right now. 76 00:04:37.720 --> 00:04:38.439 Okay, But. 77 00:04:40.199 --> 00:04:42.240 You know when you talk about like community in that, 78 00:04:42.519 --> 00:04:46.079 I go back to a moment of just I used 79 00:04:46.120 --> 00:04:49.079 to love mountain bike. I still do, but when I 80 00:04:49.120 --> 00:04:51.759 was in college, used to love mountain biking, and I 81 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:54.240 remember when I would go with buddies, we used to 82 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:57.519 always say, like it wasn't you didn't really ride unless 83 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.560 you flipped over your handlebars at least once. Yeah, at 84 00:05:00.639 --> 00:05:04.560 least once for it the counters ride. And I remember 85 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:06.800 riding with buddies and I absolutely loved it. But then 86 00:05:06.839 --> 00:05:09.839 I would also go solo and those times where you 87 00:05:09.839 --> 00:05:12.600 would endo when your solo and you flip over your handlebars, 88 00:05:13.199 --> 00:05:16.079 and I just remember, like all those thoughts, like. 89 00:05:16.079 --> 00:05:17.199 What am I doing out here? 90 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:19.519 Would I why would I put myself in a position 91 00:05:19.519 --> 00:05:21.560 where I could get hurt? Nobody's out here to help me? 92 00:05:22.160 --> 00:05:24.480 All those types of things. And then but when you 93 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:27.319 would do it with a friend, even if you were hurt, 94 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:30.720 like it hurt bad, like you could laugh about it, 95 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:32.759 you'd be like, oh my gosh. But like being there 96 00:05:32.800 --> 00:05:35.839 with somebody made all the difference in the world. So 97 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:37.680 when it comes to like those outdoor experiences, and I 98 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:41.120 think about that from solo hunts, you know, getting a 99 00:05:41.199 --> 00:05:45.800 solo bowl in twenty nineteen and then having nobody to 100 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:48.920 like high five share it with, it's like, man, it 101 00:05:48.959 --> 00:05:51.920 actually does take something away from that experience. It's an 102 00:05:51.920 --> 00:05:56.480 awesome accomplishment, but finding your tribe and having people there 103 00:05:56.519 --> 00:05:59.879 to celebrate the ups and downs, you know, being able 104 00:05:59.879 --> 00:06:02.120 to shed tears. I mean I had that happen with 105 00:06:02.160 --> 00:06:04.560 a group of guys that one of my buddies this 106 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:07.120 year has been hunting for fourteen years, trying to get 107 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:10.439 an elk with his bow. He's had seven tags all 108 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:12.920 those years. He lives in Mississippi. He came out this 109 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:17.399 year finally tagged his first ball and being able to 110 00:06:17.439 --> 00:06:21.959 celebrate that there were four of us out there, you know, hugging, praying, crying. 111 00:06:22.399 --> 00:06:24.600 It's a I mean, that's what it's about. 112 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:28.079 Yeah, I mean it's so special to share those moments 113 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:32.120 with someone and to share them with people that understand 114 00:06:32.160 --> 00:06:35.000 what you're going through. I think that you can share 115 00:06:35.000 --> 00:06:37.199 them with somebody will be like, oh, that's cool, but 116 00:06:37.639 --> 00:06:40.519 not have the context and the depth of understanding of 117 00:06:40.680 --> 00:06:42.959 what all went into that experience, you. 118 00:06:42.920 --> 00:06:48.279 Know, so well cool, Well absolutely so. 119 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:53.360 There's a lot of different ways, and basically like this 120 00:06:53.439 --> 00:06:56.639 would be a good you know, refresher, you know for 121 00:06:56.720 --> 00:06:59.240 guys that have hunted all their lives, but you know, 122 00:06:59.399 --> 00:07:04.000 particularly talking to people that are interested in getting into 123 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:07.680 hunting or you know, maybe did it a while back, 124 00:07:07.879 --> 00:07:10.240 just you know, finding their way back into it or whatever. 125 00:07:11.480 --> 00:07:16.360 But how do you there's all different kinds of ways, 126 00:07:16.360 --> 00:07:17.199 But how. 127 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:17.399 Do you. 128 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:23.040 Find a hunting buddy or like find your tribe or 129 00:07:23.040 --> 00:07:25.199 the people that you share your experiences with. 130 00:07:27.439 --> 00:07:31.160 That is a great question, and it's probably something that 131 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:36.399 is not necessarily universally going to be accepted or adopted 132 00:07:36.399 --> 00:07:40.720 by people. I think for me, I recognize one of 133 00:07:40.720 --> 00:07:45.480 the biggest barriers to hunting is you know, not receiving 134 00:07:45.480 --> 00:07:48.160 an invitation. Like there's a lot of people that would 135 00:07:48.160 --> 00:07:51.560 love to go, but they've never been invited. They don't 136 00:07:51.600 --> 00:07:53.399 know how to take the first step. They don't know, 137 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:57.879 you know, they don't know how do I even get 138 00:07:57.920 --> 00:07:59.879 a tag? Once I get a tag, where do I go? 139 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:02.920 There's a lot of obstacles, and I think hunting can 140 00:08:02.920 --> 00:08:09.439 be intimidating, and I am constantly aware that the best 141 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:13.240 way for people to start that journey is a simple invitation. 142 00:08:13.920 --> 00:08:18.879 And I am probably different from a lot of hunters 143 00:08:19.040 --> 00:08:23.199 and the fact that I care more about inviting people 144 00:08:23.240 --> 00:08:27.639 and getting people involved than I do my own personal success. 145 00:08:28.279 --> 00:08:32.440 So I used to do a lot more solo hunting, 146 00:08:32.559 --> 00:08:34.720 and it meant more for me to fill a tag. 147 00:08:35.360 --> 00:08:37.080 I don't know if it's just stage of life or 148 00:08:37.080 --> 00:08:39.679 where I'm at, or the enjoyment that I get from 149 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:43.039 taking others. At this point in the game, it's all 150 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:49.000 about the invitation. So to me, I'm constantly inviting, maybe 151 00:08:49.039 --> 00:08:52.879 to my wife's even chagrin there or she's like, how 152 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:55.399 many hunting trips can you do? Or you have people 153 00:08:55.480 --> 00:08:58.159 calling you all the time from different states, from all 154 00:08:58.200 --> 00:09:00.759 sorts of places, Hey, could you come do this hunt 155 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:02.960 with me? Could I come out to Colorado and do 156 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:05.200 this hunt with you? And you know, to be honest, like, 157 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:08.480 I'm really open handed with that invitation, and I've taken 158 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:12.240 a lot of strangers into the woods, which a lot 159 00:09:12.279 --> 00:09:14.440 of people are not going to be comfortable or not 160 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:18.120 going to be happy about, because they have a particular 161 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:20.399 outcome that they're looking for in the hunt, or they 162 00:09:21.559 --> 00:09:24.279 want to pursue game in a particular way like some 163 00:09:25.399 --> 00:09:28.799 you know, elk cunning is really my bread and butter 164 00:09:28.919 --> 00:09:31.480 out here in Colorado. I've done some bear hunting and 165 00:09:31.480 --> 00:09:35.360 some other types, but you know, for me, I think 166 00:09:35.519 --> 00:09:38.200 I'm pretty open handed with that community, and I love 167 00:09:38.480 --> 00:09:41.000 sharing those experiences because I know if I get to 168 00:09:41.039 --> 00:09:46.679 have a shared experience with somebody in the woods, that 169 00:09:46.720 --> 00:09:49.080 creates like a bond that almost I mean, it's like 170 00:09:49.480 --> 00:09:51.960 it lasts a lifetime. I just met a guy, Joseph 171 00:09:52.039 --> 00:09:54.879 Murphy from Mississippi that came out hunted for the first 172 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:57.200 time with the guy take cunning hand this year, took 173 00:09:57.200 --> 00:09:59.639 a twelve year old boy, took a sixteen year old boy, 174 00:09:59.679 --> 00:10:00.480 like my season. 175 00:10:00.519 --> 00:10:02.120 If I look back at it, I'm like. 176 00:10:02.240 --> 00:10:06.120 These are all first time hunters or first time elk 177 00:10:06.200 --> 00:10:07.799 hunters or that kind of thing that I got to 178 00:10:07.879 --> 00:10:10.639 share those experiences with, and that's going to be something 179 00:10:10.639 --> 00:10:15.360 that I carry forward the rest of my life, you know. 180 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:18.159 So I would say I'm a little bit different than 181 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:20.879 a lot of people. A lot of people like finding 182 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.080 their specific three guys that they may go share with 183 00:10:24.559 --> 00:10:27.000 and they hunt with those same guys year over year. 184 00:10:27.360 --> 00:10:29.519 To me, that guy is Noah Bodkin. 185 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:32.600 He's the first guy that invited me to go on 186 00:10:32.759 --> 00:10:34.879 an elk count with him. I think we did that 187 00:10:34.919 --> 00:10:38.639 in two thousand and seven. And Noah and I outside 188 00:10:38.679 --> 00:10:40.879 of I think one or two years. One year was 189 00:10:40.919 --> 00:10:45.919 an injury year that we had a motorcycle accident up 190 00:10:45.919 --> 00:10:47.759 in the high country right before an elk season that 191 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.279 delayed us from being able to hunt that year together. 192 00:10:50.519 --> 00:10:54.039 But outside of that, we hunt every elk season together. 193 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:55.120 So I still have. 194 00:10:55.159 --> 00:10:57.200 My tribe with like close guys that I hunt with 195 00:10:57.279 --> 00:11:00.679 year over year. But then I'm always looking to expand 196 00:11:00.759 --> 00:11:06.080 that tribe and have an open invitation to outsiders. 197 00:11:06.200 --> 00:11:10.039 Yeah, and it was that your entrance into the outdoors 198 00:11:10.159 --> 00:11:12.759 or entrance into hunting, you. 199 00:11:12.759 --> 00:11:17.080 Know, as a little boy, anytime I was near water, 200 00:11:18.039 --> 00:11:22.799 wild open spaces, I was up early trying to hunt, fish, 201 00:11:22.919 --> 00:11:26.600 do something. But I had very little big game hunting 202 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:30.720 experience until I moved to Colorado, and it was when 203 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:33.120 I started doing those elk hunts with Noah is what 204 00:11:33.200 --> 00:11:40.240 really opened my eyes. And having those shared experiences. There 205 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:44.639 was nothing else that I did in life that I 206 00:11:44.639 --> 00:11:50.200 felt like connected me with another, you know, with somebody else, 207 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:53.559 and like the way that like a week of elk 208 00:11:53.639 --> 00:11:57.440 hunting did like the I don't know, there's something unique 209 00:11:57.440 --> 00:12:01.639 about it. Whether it's because it's so elemental and just 210 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:06.000 you know, basic survival skills of what you're doing, or 211 00:12:06.679 --> 00:12:12.480 you know, instinct tribal type things, but it was those 212 00:12:12.519 --> 00:12:15.440 relationships that I feel like I forged in the woods 213 00:12:15.440 --> 00:12:19.559 and on these hunts are something that I think transcend 214 00:12:19.679 --> 00:12:23.279 a lot of just other relationships that I think get built. 215 00:12:24.639 --> 00:12:26.440 We're meeting at a coffee shop with somebody. 216 00:12:27.279 --> 00:12:31.039 Yeah, I mean, it sounds like your entrance into a 217 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:34.360 big game with Noah would have been a blueprint that 218 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:38.279 produced the way that you go into things now of 219 00:12:38.480 --> 00:12:42.879 like taking somebody else along in the woods and stuff. 220 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:45.720 So I don't know, maybe it imprinted something on you, 221 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:48.480 you know, and I think inside of you know, if 222 00:12:48.480 --> 00:12:52.679 we were going to talk about bear hunting specifically, you 223 00:12:52.759 --> 00:12:57.759 really see that kind of pattern inside of predominantly hound hunters, 224 00:12:58.960 --> 00:13:04.759 especially up in Wisconsin. In Wisconsin, there's a they can 225 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:09.080 give their tags to someone else, and so there's a 226 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:14.639 lot of hound hunters that are taken special needs kids 227 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.279 out on their first bear hunting experience that want to 228 00:13:18.440 --> 00:13:20.039 want to get a bear. And you just really see 229 00:13:20.039 --> 00:13:23.960 a rich culture where guys who just want to get 230 00:13:23.960 --> 00:13:26.759 out there and run their hounds take someone else as 231 00:13:26.919 --> 00:13:29.840 as the hunter and get them introduced into the outdoors. 232 00:13:30.159 --> 00:13:34.000 I mean, even down here in Arkansas, it's much easier 233 00:13:34.000 --> 00:13:38.720 to take somebody, you know, small game hunting, like if 234 00:13:38.759 --> 00:13:44.120 you're if you're wanting to get into big game hunting yourself. 235 00:13:45.639 --> 00:13:48.360 There's a few things that I would a few ways 236 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.639 that I see people connecting. 237 00:13:52.000 --> 00:13:53.000 Just throughout my life. 238 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:55.759 One is if you just go out and you're hunting 239 00:13:55.759 --> 00:13:59.080 a specific area, like you just key in on that area. 240 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:03.600 A lot of times you'll start seeing the same vehicle 241 00:14:04.080 --> 00:14:06.720 you know, around the same area that you're hunting, and 242 00:14:06.759 --> 00:14:08.879 eventually you'll see him come out and you just like 243 00:14:08.919 --> 00:14:12.440 strike up a conversation. And it's something I've seen down here, 244 00:14:12.480 --> 00:14:17.000 and I've also you know, Garrett Weaver up in Oregon, 245 00:14:17.360 --> 00:14:19.720 I've hunt I go up there. I've gone up there 246 00:14:20.279 --> 00:14:23.039 several times over the last few years and hunted with 247 00:14:23.120 --> 00:14:27.120 him and Cody and some of his best hunting buddies 248 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:29.320 he met that way, you know, even you know up 249 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:32.039 in the West, I've seen my dad growing up. 250 00:14:32.080 --> 00:14:33.480 We would always be on the river. 251 00:14:34.120 --> 00:14:37.960 Uh, and he's met really good hunting buddies that way. 252 00:14:38.519 --> 00:14:41.840 And Uh, there's something about just getting out and then 253 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:46.279 being somebody who is pursuing something when you talk to 254 00:14:46.320 --> 00:14:49.559 someone else who's you know, pursuing the same thing. You know, 255 00:14:49.600 --> 00:14:52.120 if you can get over that awkwardness of like, hey, 256 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:55.840 you're after the same uh stuff I'm after in the 257 00:14:55.840 --> 00:14:58.840 same area. Like if you can get over that competition 258 00:14:58.960 --> 00:15:02.200 and just like have a converse station, you can have 259 00:15:02.279 --> 00:15:07.039 some really really good relationships grow out of that. And 260 00:15:07.120 --> 00:15:11.080 even with the buck I killed this year, I got 261 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:13.559 connected with one of the neighbors and we've been sharing, 262 00:15:13.679 --> 00:15:17.240 like we've been sharing all of the information of bucks 263 00:15:17.279 --> 00:15:21.279 from our cameras. And that was another cool scenario that 264 00:15:21.720 --> 00:15:24.559 helped me, and it actually helped me know what that 265 00:15:24.600 --> 00:15:27.759 buck was doing. And because I had gone into his 266 00:15:27.840 --> 00:15:31.840 bed and jumped a deer and I was wondering if 267 00:15:32.360 --> 00:15:34.320 if it was that buck or not. And all of 268 00:15:34.360 --> 00:15:38.480 a sudden, just that night, that buck started showing up 269 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:40.879 at his place, and so I knew that I had 270 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:43.360 bumped that buck out of his bed in this area, 271 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:45.919 you know, and it was a place that he had 272 00:15:45.960 --> 00:15:49.240 been before, and at least I had a strong suspicion. 273 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:50.200 Yeah. 274 00:15:50.360 --> 00:15:52.799 You know, when you talk about hunting a specific area 275 00:15:52.799 --> 00:15:55.720 and how that works, you know, I'll be more specific 276 00:15:55.720 --> 00:15:57.759 to where I'm at in the West, you know, I 277 00:15:57.799 --> 00:16:00.320 do a lot of backcountry wilderness hunts, you know, where 278 00:16:00.440 --> 00:16:03.720 you're four or five miles deep in certain canyons, certain places, 279 00:16:03.759 --> 00:16:06.080 and a lot of times I'm kind of looking for 280 00:16:06.200 --> 00:16:10.399 places that other people don't want to go. Yeah, and 281 00:16:10.480 --> 00:16:14.679 so when you find somebody else back there, it's an 282 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:20.639 easy conversation because you already recognize there's some like mindedness 283 00:16:21.039 --> 00:16:24.519 between us, Like when you talk about going to a 284 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:28.000 certain area, like out here in Colorado, Like if I 285 00:16:28.000 --> 00:16:30.600 pull up to a trailhead and the same truck is there, 286 00:16:30.919 --> 00:16:32.519 or those kind of things. A lot of times I 287 00:16:32.559 --> 00:16:35.519 realize we're probably hunting the same species. We probably have 288 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:40.159 a passion for, you know, something similar. We're probably looking 289 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:44.639 at similar trains. When we're doing e scouting and other 290 00:16:44.679 --> 00:16:48.120 things like that, Like you start realizing there's probably some 291 00:16:48.240 --> 00:16:51.720 overlap in the way that we see our. 292 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:52.720 Approach to hunting. 293 00:16:52.799 --> 00:16:55.559 So I think a lot of times when people are 294 00:16:55.559 --> 00:16:57.679 trying to find a hunting buddy, they're looking for some 295 00:16:57.879 --> 00:16:59.600 level of compatibility in the way. 296 00:16:59.440 --> 00:17:00.679 They want to it's their game. 297 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:03.159 And I think when you pull up to a trailhead 298 00:17:03.159 --> 00:17:05.680 and somebody else is at that same trailhead, rather than 299 00:17:05.720 --> 00:17:09.920 seeing that as competition or an enemy or man, this 300 00:17:10.000 --> 00:17:13.079 is just the frustration of public land. I mean, right, 301 00:17:13.240 --> 00:17:16.960 and yeah, those those things exist, like there's some some 302 00:17:17.160 --> 00:17:20.160 level of truth to that, but I also see that 303 00:17:20.319 --> 00:17:23.720 as man, these are probably some like minded people, and 304 00:17:24.400 --> 00:17:27.200 these are these are my new buddies. Yeah, there's just 305 00:17:28.039 --> 00:17:30.559 you know, like a laboratory retriever out there. You're just 306 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:35.200 so happy to see somebody you need something. And I mean, 307 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:37.440 I can't tell you how many times too, when you're 308 00:17:37.519 --> 00:17:39.839 back in a canyon and you meet somebody and if 309 00:17:39.839 --> 00:17:43.960 somebody's got an elk down like it's but yeah, you 310 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:47.920 can help people, like legitimately help people, and you know 311 00:17:48.119 --> 00:17:50.319 in the midst of that, like you help pack somebody's 312 00:17:50.359 --> 00:17:52.880 animal out like you get. 313 00:17:52.599 --> 00:17:58.359 A bond, yeah, you know. And the other thing that 314 00:17:58.799 --> 00:18:02.039 I mean, even a platform. I'm like Hunt League. I mean, 315 00:18:02.160 --> 00:18:05.440 whenever I went up to Oregon, a lot of those 316 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:08.599 guys that are really helping each other each other out 317 00:18:08.799 --> 00:18:11.680 met each other through the through the app, and so 318 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:14.079 it could be something like even an app, I mean. 319 00:18:15.880 --> 00:18:19.640 And whenever I got my big buck, there was a 320 00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:22.599 guy that I had met at the archery shop that 321 00:18:22.640 --> 00:18:25.079 we exchanged info, like you seem like a pretty good dude, 322 00:18:25.119 --> 00:18:27.480 and we've been keeping up. Well, he can help me 323 00:18:27.599 --> 00:18:29.480 drag out my buck the other day. Now we're gonna 324 00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:32.599 go hunt some public land tonight, you know, together after 325 00:18:32.640 --> 00:18:35.440 we record this. And so I think it's one of 326 00:18:35.480 --> 00:18:37.880 those things where you have to have a mindset where 327 00:18:38.559 --> 00:18:43.000 you know you're not against other hunters and you just 328 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:46.759 have to have kind of that that thought that there. 329 00:18:46.920 --> 00:18:49.079 You know, it's not something you want to walk out alone. 330 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:52.400 And uh, you know, you also don't go into it 331 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:58.799 like starving for like needy, you know, or or trying 332 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:03.599 to like puff yourself up like you are the best 333 00:19:03.680 --> 00:19:06.240 hunter in the world, like you just have to. Really, 334 00:19:06.319 --> 00:19:10.920 I think authenticity is the thing that has sold me 335 00:19:11.039 --> 00:19:14.519 on everyone that I hunt with or that I exchange 336 00:19:14.559 --> 00:19:19.319 information with. It's people aren't aren't like ruffling up their 337 00:19:19.319 --> 00:19:22.400 feathers and puffing up like. It's just good guys who 338 00:19:22.440 --> 00:19:25.400 are authentic, who like to do the same things that 339 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:26.200 I like to do. 340 00:19:26.359 --> 00:19:27.599 And it doesn't even have to be. 341 00:19:29.079 --> 00:19:31.839 Like you know, Garrett and Cody up in Oregon, like 342 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:35.599 I like to use them because it's they're just really 343 00:19:35.599 --> 00:19:39.519 good guys and I know everything that's going on in 344 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:43.839 their elk season, in their blacktail season, like, and those 345 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:48.119 are animals that I don't chase, but I mean, we're 346 00:19:48.160 --> 00:19:51.839 a voice of support for each other. We're just like 347 00:19:52.359 --> 00:19:55.440 they get excited and pumped up for when I succeed. 348 00:19:55.519 --> 00:19:57.960 I get pumped up and excited for when they succeed. 349 00:19:58.359 --> 00:20:00.359 And that's really what you're looking for. It doesn't always 350 00:20:00.400 --> 00:20:03.079 have to be someone local. It doesn't have to be 351 00:20:03.200 --> 00:20:06.960 somebody you know, I think. I think sometimes you just 352 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:10.960 have to have the mentality that you know, you cast 353 00:20:10.960 --> 00:20:13.319 a wide net, and who you connect with and really 354 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:16.279 jive with is who you you know, who you just 355 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:17.359 jive with, you know? 356 00:20:17.880 --> 00:20:20.359 Yeah, No, I mean I think about like what the 357 00:20:20.440 --> 00:20:23.640 hunting gap has done for me When I created it, 358 00:20:24.119 --> 00:20:28.000 I wanted to have the opportunity, like I really built 359 00:20:28.000 --> 00:20:30.039 it just for me and my friends for are elk counting, 360 00:20:30.160 --> 00:20:32.759 Like I wanted to have a detailed journal where we 361 00:20:32.799 --> 00:20:34.640 could sit in at the end of an elk season, 362 00:20:34.680 --> 00:20:36.559 we could go through our notes together, we could share 363 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:39.640 some notes, we could see, all, right, what time of 364 00:20:39.759 --> 00:20:42.640 year was this happening? This happening, so that we could 365 00:20:42.680 --> 00:20:45.519 actually become better elk hunters. We could use the information 366 00:20:45.599 --> 00:20:48.640 that we were gathering in the field and hopefully record 367 00:20:48.640 --> 00:20:50.240 it in a way that we weren't going to forget it. 368 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:54.359 So the original intent of Hunt League was really just 369 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:57.880 building an app that me and my buddies could use 370 00:20:58.039 --> 00:21:00.000 to become better elk hunters. 371 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:00.880 As you start. 372 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:02.599 Building it, you realize like, well, you don't really just 373 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:06.240 release like an app in the app Store that is 374 00:21:06.480 --> 00:21:08.279 like a private app just for you and your buddies. 375 00:21:08.559 --> 00:21:12.400 So it expanded to other species. It expanded to like, well, 376 00:21:12.400 --> 00:21:14.039 I was like, well, surely, like if this is good 377 00:21:14.079 --> 00:21:16.480 for me and my buddies, like other people and their 378 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:21.559 buddies would love to use this, And through as it evolved, 379 00:21:21.599 --> 00:21:23.480 you know, then there became leagues, and there became a 380 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:25.400 community page or people are sharing. So when you're talking 381 00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:28.759 about Cody, like Cody's in Montana right now, you know, 382 00:21:29.079 --> 00:21:30.839 out on his mule to your hunt, He's hoping that 383 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:32.359 the wind is going to die down because it's been 384 00:21:32.440 --> 00:21:37.920 thirty five mile an hour the last couple of days. Yeah, 385 00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:40.599 And I'm like, I know all these things because like 386 00:21:40.759 --> 00:21:43.119 through this app, like it's connected with these guys, and 387 00:21:43.119 --> 00:21:45.880 these are guys that like you've hunted with Colby, and 388 00:21:45.920 --> 00:21:48.559 it's through this connection of Hunt League that like all 389 00:21:48.640 --> 00:21:51.880 these types of things have come together. You know, Garrett 390 00:21:52.359 --> 00:21:56.400 was who you talked about, was instrumental and like he 391 00:21:56.480 --> 00:21:58.960 invited me and my son. My son got his first 392 00:21:59.039 --> 00:22:02.039 bear and organ when he was eleven years old, you know, 393 00:22:02.079 --> 00:22:04.440 thanks to that invitation from Garrett. You know, like that's 394 00:22:04.480 --> 00:22:08.240 something that wasn't on our radar, that wasn't something that 395 00:22:08.319 --> 00:22:10.480 seemed like in the realm of possibility. But that's where 396 00:22:10.599 --> 00:22:15.200 like that simple invitation, the open door, the conversation, it's 397 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:17.400 really easy for sometimes I think some of the guys 398 00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:21.039 that really struggle finding community or like man, I don't 399 00:22:21.039 --> 00:22:23.119 have anybody, and they kind of it's guys that are 400 00:22:23.119 --> 00:22:26.880 just trying to brag and show their own accomplishments and 401 00:22:26.920 --> 00:22:29.160