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<v Speaker 1>Now one of your pudding. I got a string going

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<v Speaker 1>on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog,

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<v Speaker 1>my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over

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<v Speaker 1>the fence and he was dead. And once you hit

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<v Speaker 1>the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I

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<v Speaker 1>saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what

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<v Speaker 1>are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling

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<v Speaker 1>around out here? Did you see what it was? Or

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<v Speaker 1>was it was? Standing enough? I'm out here looking through

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<v Speaker 1>the window now and I don't see anything. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want to go outside. Jesus Quice, you better hello, hit

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<v Speaker 1>somebody out here?

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<v Speaker 2>What went on out there?

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<v Speaker 1>It's got a bit about sixty ft nine. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know you see them out there? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Righty oh, bred Laska, thanks again for joining me. The

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<v Speaker 2>title of this is Killers in the Valley, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>not hyperbole by any means. Long, long oral history with

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<v Speaker 2>the Otanas and the Athabasket Indians over this way of

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<v Speaker 2>exactly that killers in the Valley. It stems from the

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<v Speaker 2>killer monkeys, the tailed monkeys approximately five foot tall, long,

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<v Speaker 2>tails similar to lehmur body shape, a human type face.

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<v Speaker 2>Those monkeys have the fangs, very protruding high teeth. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the search and rescue going on, some background noise

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<v Speaker 2>with aircraft flying round. I've shared in the past what

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<v Speaker 2>some elders have shared with me. As far as Horse

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<v Speaker 2>Creek off the Copper River. These hunters went back up

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<v Speaker 2>in there. There was no game around. They got up

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<v Speaker 2>in this plateau nutting around, and then they up to

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<v Speaker 2>this rise. They heard weird noises on the other side

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<v Speaker 2>of it, so they crawled up there so they didn't

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<v Speaker 2>mark themselves on the ridgeline silhouette themselves. They get up

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<v Speaker 2>there and they peak over and they see a group

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<v Speaker 2>a harryman playing with human bones. They high tailed it

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<v Speaker 2>out of there, obviously, and they backtracked several times to

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<v Speaker 2>avoid these things following them back to their village. From

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<v Speaker 2>Salta down to Chittna, you got killer monkeys. I've had

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<v Speaker 2>reports from Mosquito Creek about sasquatch height ones with tails.

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<v Speaker 2>That was difference. Just a long lineage going back a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. So with that being said, let me share

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<v Speaker 2>some things that were shared with me just recently. This

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<v Speaker 2>one comes from an Ottna elder grew up outside a

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<v Speaker 2>copper center between Chittn a copper center, spent their whole

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<v Speaker 2>lives hunting subsistence, berry picking, all of it. Her name

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<v Speaker 2>was Agatha. She said I could use her name now.

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<v Speaker 2>What she shared with me stems from her childhood on through.

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<v Speaker 2>So in her childhood berry picking, they periodically, not every day,

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<v Speaker 2>but periodically they would hear the screams coming from basically

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<v Speaker 2>the Horse Creek area. It sounded like a long ways off,

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<v Speaker 2>so even when they heard it, they would still move

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<v Speaker 2>to a different berry patch. Just that type of thing.

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<v Speaker 2>So as she was growing up, that would happen periodically.

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<v Speaker 2>When they were at fish camp tinting to the fish wheel,

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<v Speaker 2>they would have salmon coming up missing, just all sorts

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<v Speaker 2>of weirdness. One of the things that happened is she

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<v Speaker 2>said her uncle at one point and her sister's husband

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<v Speaker 2>at the time were tinning to the fish wheel and

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<v Speaker 2>they said something was wrong with it. It wasn't turning.

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<v Speaker 2>Something had jabbed a stick in it to stop its momentum.

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<v Speaker 2>It's turning it. It was basically a log got jammed

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<v Speaker 2>in there, and initially they thought maybe the current brought

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<v Speaker 2>a log downstream and it got wrapped up in the

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<v Speaker 2>wheel and locked in there. They kept looking at and

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<v Speaker 2>trying to figure out how it got curled up in there,

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<v Speaker 2>a stick through a bike tire type of deal, and

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<v Speaker 2>so they couldn't figure it out. And as they were

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<v Speaker 2>trying to dislodge this thing because they had the water

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<v Speaker 2>current pushing against it, and they're trying to slowly wiggle

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<v Speaker 2>it out of there. As they're doing that, they hear

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<v Speaker 2>whistling from shore just up the bank from them, approximately

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen twenty yards, and they're trying to who's whistling out

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<v Speaker 2>of They thought it was another relative, and they start hollering, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>come help us with this, Hey, come help us with this.

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<v Speaker 2>And they pay attention to their work again. And as

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<v Speaker 2>they're struggling, their backs are to the river bank and

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<v Speaker 2>they're trying to pull this log out right, and so

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<v Speaker 2>they hear the whistling again, but this time it's like

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<v Speaker 2>literally right behind them. So they turn around to look

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<v Speaker 2>there's a hairy man standing up on the bank, half crouch,

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<v Speaker 2>half just determining what it was going to do. They

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<v Speaker 2>instantly were freaked out. She said. They ran to the

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<v Speaker 2>other side of the fish will, because there's platforms on

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<v Speaker 2>either side and the catch that the fish drop into,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were on the back side of that. Her

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<v Speaker 2>older sister's husband had a pistol with them in old

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<v Speaker 2>thirty eight of some kind. They started yelling at to

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<v Speaker 2>get out of here, and it backed up towards the

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<v Speaker 2>tree line a little more of the brush line and

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<v Speaker 2>just started making these weird noises. Because it's been so long,

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<v Speaker 2>she doesn't remember exactly what the noises were, but they

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<v Speaker 2>were obscure, non native, non anything they'd ever heard, and

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<v Speaker 2>these are Natives speaking peoples. So they were thrown off.

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<v Speaker 2>The brother in law fired a shot into the air,

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<v Speaker 2>and this thing tore out of there. Now, when it

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<v Speaker 2>tore out of there, as they hear it leaving through

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<v Speaker 2>the brush, they hear two other things moving with it,

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<v Speaker 2>So in that instance, it was not alone. After sharing that,

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<v Speaker 2>she got into some of the things types of things

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<v Speaker 2>we've heard before, as far as kids playing on the

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<v Speaker 2>trail ahead of them, and as they're going down the

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<v Speaker 2>trail to get to their fishing spot for roden real fishing,

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<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden there was no kids, no one

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<v Speaker 2>around this one particular trail, she said, came to a

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<v Speaker 2>dead end because it dropped to the river bank. There

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<v Speaker 2>was nowhere else to go, so they figured they would

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<v Speaker 2>Eventually they reached these kids, Agata said, when they were

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<v Speaker 2>coming around the last little hook in the trail that

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<v Speaker 2>hooks off to the right a little bit on the bank,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone stopped for whatever reason. There was a group of

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<v Speaker 2>five of them, all of them women, two of them armed.

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<v Speaker 2>But they stopped because something felt off, and they stopped

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<v Speaker 2>hearing the kid noises, and so they went forward slowly

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<v Speaker 2>to where they could see the little area where it

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<v Speaker 2>was cleared out and nothing. The brush was super thick,

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<v Speaker 2>and once they got in there, then they heard kids

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<v Speaker 2>up the trail that they just came. But it was weird.

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<v Speaker 2>It was childlike, but not necessarily children. So two of

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<v Speaker 2>the women that were armed, actually one of them armed,

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<v Speaker 2>the one knot. They went back up the trail to

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<v Speaker 2>see if kids were lost. As they were doing so,

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<v Speaker 2>the other group of three heard them both scream and

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<v Speaker 2>they came running back and they said, it's not kids,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not kids, it's a hairy man. I don't have

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<v Speaker 2>the tongue to pronounce the word they use. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>non to knock, that's a different tribe elsewhere anyway, basically

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<v Speaker 2>the hairy man. They said. There was two of them,

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<v Speaker 2>small ones, and they ran off up the trail, making

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<v Speaker 2>this weird laughing sound. The last one she shared with

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<v Speaker 2>me comes from about three years ago. They were coming

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<v Speaker 2>back from McCarthy. They took some relatives up that way

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<v Speaker 2>for sight seeing, and anyone who's been on McCarthy road,

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<v Speaker 2>holy shit, man, it's a washboard, gravel road. Nightmare. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a primitive road, to say the least. So they were

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<v Speaker 2>on their way back. As they were coming back, they

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<v Speaker 2>saw two separate crossings. One of the crossings was really

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<v Speaker 2>close in front of the vehicle. She doesn't remember exactly

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<v Speaker 2>where on the road it was, because it's a hell

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<v Speaker 2>of a road. It's sixty miles long and primitive. She

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't remember exactly where it crossed. There was one, and

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<v Speaker 2>then I got a little darker and there was a

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<v Speaker 2>second crossing with the smaller one that went across the road. Again.

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<v Speaker 2>All these things, it dims from that legacy, that heritage

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<v Speaker 2>of killers. All the elder natives that I've spoken to

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<v Speaker 2>have that oral history of they take women and children,

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<v Speaker 2>They've killed villagers. This is going back so there was

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<v Speaker 2>no specific dates in times and whatnot of the missing,

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<v Speaker 2>our names of the missing. They were just talking about

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<v Speaker 2>missing villagers. They never got specific, so I respected it.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't push. She said, there hasn't been the missing

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<v Speaker 2>people like there had been in the past as far

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<v Speaker 2>as our oral history. But the fear is still there.

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<v Speaker 2>The fear is still very real. That being said me

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<v Speaker 2>and squatch Bait. There's got to be something going on.

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<v Speaker 2>The same plane and the same helicopter keeper flying a

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<v Speaker 2>grid pattern anyway, So with me and Ryan, we went

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<v Speaker 2>back to the Copper River Valley to check on Miss Carroll.

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<v Speaker 2>She had continuing things going on her property. We tried

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<v Speaker 2>to go easter, but it was so much snow we

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't really look around. So we made it down. We're

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<v Speaker 2>able to look around and and that that black hawk

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<v Speaker 2>just keeps surfing on. Don't know if you guys, almost

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<v Speaker 2>like it was a show. Now I'll have to see

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<v Speaker 2>the video when I've done, And it was like it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't showing up on video. That's weird. So we're down

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<v Speaker 2>there checking things out for Miss Carroll, trying to bring

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<v Speaker 2>her peace of mind, checking out her trail camera set

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<v Speaker 2>up things of this nature. So we look around. We

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<v Speaker 2>went to places we couldn't reach because of the snow,

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<v Speaker 2>areas of high strangeness. We were walking. There was no

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<v Speaker 2>game trail. We just picked a spot and started walking

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<v Speaker 2>in to go to check out this pond to see

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<v Speaker 2>if we could see any tracks around the pond. And

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<v Speaker 2>as first thing, we walked through the brush and we'd

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<v Speaker 2>get into this small little clearing where at some point

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<v Speaker 2>someone had dropped a beetlekill spruce. No big deal, that happens.

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<v Speaker 2>What was odd was there was two saplings bent over.

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<v Speaker 2>They weren't snapped, they were flexed very hard to a

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<v Speaker 2>hard ninety degree angle and they made an X on

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<v Speaker 2>the ground the way they were crossed. Just odds, odd stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>various tree brakes, the feeling in the air. It is

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<v Speaker 2>not just one thing. It was a multitude at things.

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<v Speaker 2>After our excursion around this property, this property was a

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<v Speaker 2>former farm area near Kinney Lake and a cult used

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<v Speaker 2>to own that property years ago and they moved all

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<v Speaker 2>the cult housing up to Delta. We suspect they were

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<v Speaker 2>doing some shenanigans as far as whatever they were doing

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<v Speaker 2>as far as sacrifices or summoning, who knows because later

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<v Speaker 2>on that night, we were discussing the day's events and

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<v Speaker 2>what we saw and just our feelings about what was

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<v Speaker 2>going on with Miss Carroll because she was stressed out.

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<v Speaker 2>She's in her seventies, she's there alone, and it's her home,

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<v Speaker 2>but yet she felt trapped in her home because she

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<v Speaker 2>was scared to go outside. As we're sitting there talking,

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<v Speaker 2>she's sitting in her chair and she says, oh, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a light out there. We look. I didn't see it initially,

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<v Speaker 2>but she had me sit where she was sitting and

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<v Speaker 2>I looked and I saw the orb right. It was

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<v Speaker 2>like a light salmon color opaque, not bright, and had

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<v Speaker 2>a little shimmer to it. So I'm thinking, is that

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<v Speaker 2>light refraction from one of the ponds back there? Something?

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm watching, so I decided to go outside. I

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<v Speaker 2>get outside, I walk from one side of the driveway

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<v Speaker 2>to the other, watching this thing. And as I was

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<v Speaker 2>coming back across the driveway to go up this little

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<v Speaker 2>dirt mound behind the outhouse, this thing was shimmering and

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<v Speaker 2>like trying to draw me out. Immediately was like, I

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<v Speaker 2>ain't following that thing. Later on a red one showed

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<v Speaker 2>up ball lightning. Who knows. It just seemed very odd

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<v Speaker 2>how it transpired, how everything transpired. Unfortunately, the stress was

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<v Speaker 2>again too much for Miss Carroll. As she's back in

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<v Speaker 2>It's totally understandable why she didn't want to stay. Hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>can enjoy her time there. While she has time there,

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<v Speaker 2>it's been her home for a long time. Her husband's

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<v Speaker 2>buried on the property and things like that, so it's

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<v Speaker 2>not just a vacation home. Was their home. A shout

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<v Speaker 2>out to Miss Carroll. Another thing I want to share

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<v Speaker 2>do with McCarthy rode again. Just recently, I was emailed

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<v Speaker 2>from a guy in twenty fifteen. He was on McCarthy road.

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<v Speaker 2>He said roughly the midway point and on McCarthy wrote,

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<v Speaker 2>if anyone's ever been there, there's a little pullouts here

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<v Speaker 2>found one with the tree backdrop, and he backed his

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<v Speaker 2>little Toyota pickup in there. And he had an old

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<v Speaker 2>school a frame pop up tent that fit perfectly in

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<v Speaker 2>the bed of his truck because he didn't have a

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<v Speaker 2>canopy over it. So he had it set up, and

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<v Speaker 2>he said it was close to the end of August

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<v Speaker 2>when he finally made it out there, and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of the tourists were gone and it was a lot quieter, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So he had his tent set up and the flap

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<v Speaker 2>opening obviously towards the tailgate side. He left the tailgate down.

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<v Speaker 2>He was just laying in there. His dog he kept

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<v Speaker 2>lured off by wolves and so on. There's wolves about bears,

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<v Speaker 2>about lions, tigers and bears amc It is wild Alaska,

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<v Speaker 2>it's untamed. So he kept the dog in the cab

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<v Speaker 2>and he was just crashing out for the night. He

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<v Speaker 2>had a small flashlight and a three fifty seven magnum.

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<v Speaker 2>Now he didn't light a fire because he got there late,

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<v Speaker 2>but he had a fire pile set up for in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning so he could start a fire, bruce coffee

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<v Speaker 2>and what have you. This gentleman's name is Mark. He

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<v Speaker 2>was just dozing off. The rain had let off, because

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<v Speaker 2>The rain died off about a half hour prior, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was finally able to start dozing off, and he

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<v Speaker 2>starts hearing this very odd like a cooing, like a

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<v Speaker 2>pigeon cooing, but much louder. And so this cooping's going on,

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<v Speaker 2>and it sounds like it's on a constant movement, not

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<v Speaker 2>necessarily real close to his truck, but enough to where

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<v Speaker 2>and it's almost like it's facing him while it's making

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<v Speaker 2>this sound like a horseshoe shape back and forth. It's

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<v Speaker 2>not at a fast cadence. It's just moving not fast

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<v Speaker 2>nor slow, but at a steady pace back and forth,

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<v Speaker 2>this cooing sound. So he's what the hell is that?

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<v Speaker 2>So he listens for a while and he's just shaking

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<v Speaker 2>to fall back asleep and as he's doing so, he

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<v Speaker 2>feels the truck thump and it shakes the truck right

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<v Speaker 2>and he was just on the verge of falling asleep,

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<v Speaker 2>so it startled him. So he turns on the flashlight,

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<v Speaker 2>pulds up his gun and gets to the edge of

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<v Speaker 2>the tent unzips it, opens it up and he's looking

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<v Speaker 2>around with the flashlight out the back. Sees nothing, and

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<v Speaker 2>he decides, you know what, something bumped my rig. I

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<v Speaker 2>he's looking. It's not super dark, but it's dark enough

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<v Speaker 2>to where the woods are dark, but the sky has

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<v Speaker 2>some light to it. Right, stay tuned for more sasquatch

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<v Speaker 2>out to sea. We'll be right back after the east messages.

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<v Speaker 2>So he's panning hero out the flashlight. He's trying to

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<v Speaker 2>figure it out what the hell was that, And he's

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<v Speaker 2>literally standing at the bed of his truck. The tailgate

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<v Speaker 2>is basically he's leaning back against it with his butt.

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<v Speaker 2>He fills the truck shake again and he thinks, oh crap, earthquake.

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<v Speaker 2>So he runs around to the front of the truck

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<v Speaker 2>and is going to jump inside it, and as he's

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<v Speaker 2>coming around to grab the door handle, he has to

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<v Speaker 2>basically turn the flashlight and grab the pandel because he's

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<v Speaker 2>So as he's doing so, he notices a flashlight catch

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<v Speaker 2>some eye shine right off the front of his Toyota,

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<v Speaker 2>right by the road. So immediately he stops, and he

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<v Speaker 2>says his heart sank because when he was reaching the

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<v Speaker 2>eye shine was up higher, and so when he was

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<v Speaker 2>reaching for the door handle with his flashlight and he

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<v Speaker 2>caught the glimpse of that eye shine out of his right,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, it felt like everything went slow motion, and

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<v Speaker 2>it was almost like a horror movie. As he slowly

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<v Speaker 2>brought the flash light up. Not to laugh, because me

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<v Speaker 2>and Mark laughed about it ourselves, just the holy crap.

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<v Speaker 2>And he beams this thing in the face and he

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<v Speaker 2>has one of those small it was like one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and twenty loom and it wasn't the brightest thing, but

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<v Speaker 2>it had new batteries, so it still put off a

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<v Speaker 2>decent enough beam to where he could see what he

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<v Speaker 2>was looking at. All black, leathery looking face, really wrinkled,

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<v Speaker 2>no hair around. It was like almost like the planet

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<v Speaker 2>of the apes, he said, because the hair came up

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<v Speaker 2>to just below the cheek bones around none by the face,

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<v Speaker 2>real white jaw. Didn't see its teeth, real thin purse lips.

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<v Speaker 2>The mouth protruded a little further than the nose, flat

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<v Speaker 2>to the face, broad nostrils, pitch black looking, black eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>The eye shine was a very light reddish hue to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Immediately he froze. He stares at it a second, and

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<v Speaker 2>this thing turns and walks off to his left in

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<v Speaker 2>of his truck. Now as it's doing that, he hops

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<v Speaker 2>in the truck, slams the door. He's looking, and this

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<v Speaker 2>thing is walking by and is looking. He's assuming at

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<v Speaker 2>his dog because his dog is curled up on the

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<v Speaker 2>floorboard underneath the steering wheel, trying to basically hide. Dog

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<v Speaker 2>didn't make a peep, and it was some kind of

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<v Speaker 2>Chesapeake Terrier or something a mix dog ain't making a peep.

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<v Speaker 2>He's sitting in the passenger side. He's flashlighting. This thing

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<v Speaker 2>walk past the truck. The truck shakes again. He hears

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<v Speaker 2>the loudest blood curdling scream. He said, he didn't just

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<v Speaker 2>only feel it in his body. He felt it in

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<v Speaker 2>the truck, and he heard it thrash away, making this

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<v Speaker 2>god awful noise and tree breaking and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>He calmed down for a minute. He said it was

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<v Speaker 2>probably two hours before he stopped shaking. Half the time

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<v Speaker 2>he was trying to hide below the dash line to

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<v Speaker 2>not be seen. Other times he's trying to peek around.

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<v Speaker 2>He was so scared. He was scared to move from

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<v Speaker 2>the passenger seat to the driver's seat to start the

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<v Speaker 2>fucking truck and get the hell out of there. That's

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<v Speaker 2>how freaked out he was. I asked him, do you

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<v Speaker 2>think it was like going for your dog or just

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<v Speaker 2>trying to lure you?

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I was asking him how he felt inside about it,

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<v Speaker 2>because that can speak volumes to what occurred during the incident.

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<v Speaker 2>He said, once he saw it and it started moving,

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't feel necessarily in danger for himself. He felt

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<v Speaker 2>like things could go south real fast, and so when

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<v Speaker 2>he jumped in the truck and it was going by,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, that's when he felt the most vulnerable, which

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<v Speaker 2>I understand that, trust me. It's not a good feeling,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, once it went past and was going to

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<v Speaker 2>the past the bed of the truck and he turned

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<v Speaker 2>the flashlight. He can only see it so much because

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<v Speaker 2>of that little a frame tint in the back was

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<v Speaker 2>right up back against the back of the cab, and

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<v Speaker 2>so he had limited vision out that back window. He said.

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<v Speaker 2>Once it got back to the back and started that scream,

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<v Speaker 2>then he felt in danger of his life at that point.

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<v Speaker 2>But up in heil Nd, he just felt like it

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<v Speaker 2>was sizing him up is the feeling he had. That's

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<v Speaker 2>basically what happened. After he calmed down for a couple hours.

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<v Speaker 2>What gave him confidence. The dog got off the floorboard

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<v Speaker 2>and got up on the seat, and so he figured,

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<v Speaker 2>if the dog's calm, I can be calm, and so

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<v Speaker 2>he scooted the dog over. He drove out of there.

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<v Speaker 2>He got about two miles down the road before he stopped,

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<v Speaker 2>went out back and shut his tailgate, and he just

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<v Speaker 2>left a tent up until it got daylight and he

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<v Speaker 2>was well up the road. I want to thank Mark

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<v Speaker 2>for sharing that. I'm going to thank miss Carroll for

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<v Speaker 2>having us out there, and the elder Agatha who shared

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<v Speaker 2>her experiences. There's more to come on the Copper River legacy.

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<v Speaker 2>Thes a just a drop in the bucket. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>little windy, so I'll be sure to speak up so

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<v Speaker 2>you can hear me what I wanted to share with

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<v Speaker 2>you today. It comes from William William's Clinkett Elder. He

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<v Speaker 2>used to live down in southeast Alaska. He asked me

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<v Speaker 2>not to speak of the exact place he still owns.

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<v Speaker 2>The property hasn't been back so back in in nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy eight. William had finished building his cabin over there

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<v Speaker 2>a couple of years before that, and he really loved

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<v Speaker 2>going out there. He had his own little crab pods

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<v Speaker 2>and he would set him out as he was coming

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<v Speaker 2>into the cabin, so on the next tide he can

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<v Speaker 2>go out grab his fresh crab. He enjoyed the sea

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<v Speaker 2>life and all that he could see. The orc was

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<v Speaker 2>coming through and it was just beautiful. Now whereas cabin is,

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<v Speaker 2>it's in this little bit of a bay. It's hucked

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<v Speaker 2>back up into the trees at just the right spot

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<v Speaker 2>to where it avoids all the winds, all the culftal

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<v Speaker 2>winds and stuff. He loves a place, It was evident

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<v Speaker 2>talking to him, now, what occurred was or the first

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<v Speaker 2>week he was out there. There was no issue. He

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<v Speaker 2>was getting a couple of crabs a day, which is perfect.

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<v Speaker 2>That's all he needed. If he ever got extras, he

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<v Speaker 2>just let him go immediately. It was just mainly to

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<v Speaker 2>have that fresh seafood. While he was there. He had

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<v Speaker 2>noticed about a weekend on his visit, this very large

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<v Speaker 2>sea otter off in the distance. At first, it was

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<v Speaker 2>staying off in the distance, and he thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>strange how big this thing was, and so he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>it's the last he things get big. Whatever, No big deal,

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<v Speaker 2>at least initially, that's what he thought initially. And so

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<v Speaker 2>the following day on the tide, he was out there

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<v Speaker 2>retrieving his crab pots, and there's no crab in him.

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<v Speaker 2>There's this sea otter again, So he attributed it to

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<v Speaker 2>He had a few rocks in the skip that he

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<v Speaker 2>it out of the area, so to speak. He did

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<v Speaker 2>that day reset the posts with fresh bait. Came back

417
00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:46.319
<v Speaker 2>the next day, otter was nearby. Nothing in the pots,

418
00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:49.000
<v Speaker 2>so you know, he's getting a little more upset, so

419
00:21:49.039 --> 00:21:52.279
<v Speaker 2>he chucked some more rocks to each his own. It

420
00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:54.799
<v Speaker 2>is what it is, he thought that, because he could

421
00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:57.079
<v Speaker 2>have got seal bombs and incout seal bombs out there

422
00:21:57.119 --> 00:22:00.200
<v Speaker 2>and foam explosion underwater, but he didn't. He just throw

423
00:22:00.279 --> 00:22:02.799
<v Speaker 2>some rocks. He figured it would work. So he threw

424
00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:05.680
<v Speaker 2>rocks again on the second day and reset the pots,

425
00:22:06.000 --> 00:22:09.319
<v Speaker 2>trying to get across to this sea otter that hey,

426
00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:11.319
<v Speaker 2>this is my area to get out of here. And

427
00:22:11.359 --> 00:22:13.799
<v Speaker 2>it wasn't work. But so when he comes back on

428
00:22:13.839 --> 00:22:16.920
<v Speaker 2>that third day, he sees the sea otter as he's

429
00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:19.119
<v Speaker 2>coming up to his pots. He has little marker movies

430
00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:22.079
<v Speaker 2>and he comes up and he already knows there's not

431
00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:24.920
<v Speaker 2>going to be anything in the pots, so he immediately

432
00:22:25.000 --> 00:22:28.319
<v Speaker 2>starts chucking rocks. That just thinks. One of the rocks

433
00:22:28.359 --> 00:22:30.920
<v Speaker 2>came pretty close the otter at the time was about

434
00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.519
<v Speaker 2>twenty five feet away, and he said it was just

435
00:22:33.599 --> 00:22:36.119
<v Speaker 2>so being but seemed just so out of place to

436
00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:38.839
<v Speaker 2>be there. And so he was just like, all right,

437
00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:41.160
<v Speaker 2>it is what it is. And the Chuck's rocks right,

438
00:22:42.079 --> 00:22:44.519
<v Speaker 2>the thing dives under, he doesn't see it, and it

439
00:22:44.559 --> 00:22:48.119
<v Speaker 2>pops up about seventy yards away. However, when it pops up,

440
00:22:48.720 --> 00:22:51.599
<v Speaker 2>the sunlight's beaming right on this thing, right, beaman right

441
00:22:51.680 --> 00:22:55.119
<v Speaker 2>on it, and it's just dark. It's just black. But

442
00:22:55.200 --> 00:22:58.400
<v Speaker 2>it's a silhouette of the sea otter and he's throwing off.

443
00:22:58.400 --> 00:23:00.680
<v Speaker 2>He gets a creepy vibe from it because it's just

444
00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:04.160
<v Speaker 2>pitch black when it pops up about seventy yards away,

445
00:23:04.200 --> 00:23:06.319
<v Speaker 2>and so it thinks about shooting it. He's like, man,

446
00:23:06.319 --> 00:23:08.519
<v Speaker 2>should I just shoot this thing? And then he was like, no,

447
00:23:09.200 --> 00:23:11.599
<v Speaker 2>but probably I'm not here all that much, so maybe

448
00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:14.039
<v Speaker 2>it hunts here all the time and I'm intruding. So

449
00:23:14.119 --> 00:23:15.640
<v Speaker 2>he was like, nah, that wouldn't be right to just

450
00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:18.559
<v Speaker 2>shoot this thing. So he let it be. He checked

451
00:23:18.599 --> 00:23:21.680
<v Speaker 2>one more rock. It didn't even come close, but this

452
00:23:21.759 --> 00:23:24.240
<v Speaker 2>thing just watched him. And when he got back to

453
00:23:24.319 --> 00:23:27.680
<v Speaker 2>shore and he was pulling up his line because it

454
00:23:27.759 --> 00:23:29.799
<v Speaker 2>was the tide was just starting to go out, so

455
00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:32.480
<v Speaker 2>he drew the line up to shore and anchored it

456
00:23:32.519 --> 00:23:35.519
<v Speaker 2>off or whatever. Now and when he comes back to

457
00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:38.519
<v Speaker 2>the boat to retrieve his gear, this thing is about

458
00:23:39.039 --> 00:23:43.720
<v Speaker 2>fifty yards right off shore looking at him, still pitch

459
00:23:43.799 --> 00:23:47.400
<v Speaker 2>black silhouette with a sea otter, and he got the

460
00:23:47.519 --> 00:23:51.599
<v Speaker 2>eb gv's. He said that scared him, the way it

461
00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:54.160
<v Speaker 2>was just ominous feeling, the way this thing was right

462
00:23:54.200 --> 00:23:57.680
<v Speaker 2>out there, and just he felt it looking at him,

463
00:23:57.680 --> 00:23:59.799
<v Speaker 2>even though it was just a black silhouette, couldn't see

464
00:23:59.799 --> 00:24:02.559
<v Speaker 2>eye is when the days before it was a sea

465
00:24:02.599 --> 00:24:05.559
<v Speaker 2>otter face, cute, fuzzy whiskers, the whole bit. But this

466
00:24:05.559 --> 00:24:08.200
<v Speaker 2>thing was black. It was his pitch black, no nothing,

467
00:24:08.720 --> 00:24:11.039
<v Speaker 2>And so he gathered up his stuff, thought it was

468
00:24:11.039 --> 00:24:13.359
<v Speaker 2>odd and figured, Okay, if it gets out of control,

469
00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:16.160
<v Speaker 2>I'll I'll shoot it. I'll just get rid of it.

470
00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:19.599
<v Speaker 2>But it's something he didn't want to do. He retreats inside,

471
00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:23.119
<v Speaker 2>and he has about at that time, about eight more

472
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:25.920
<v Speaker 2>hours of daylight, right before it started getting dark. So

473
00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:29.200
<v Speaker 2>during that eight hours he'd be doing stuff around his cabin,

474
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:31.960
<v Speaker 2>cleaning up and doing whatever, and every once in a while

475
00:24:31.960 --> 00:24:35.000
<v Speaker 2>he'd look out because he had a straight path right

476
00:24:35.039 --> 00:24:37.119
<v Speaker 2>on down to the beach and then it dropped down

477
00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:39.119
<v Speaker 2>to the gravel and then went out and his boat

478
00:24:39.160 --> 00:24:42.200
<v Speaker 2>was right there. It was tied off nearby, and he

479
00:24:42.200 --> 00:24:45.640
<v Speaker 2>could see right out into this little bay. Every time

480
00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:48.759
<v Speaker 2>he would look out there, black silhouette right out in

481
00:24:48.799 --> 00:24:51.720
<v Speaker 2>the water, sometimes a little closer, sometimes a little further,

482
00:24:51.799 --> 00:24:56.279
<v Speaker 2>but always appearing to be looking at him right. He said,

483
00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:01.480
<v Speaker 2>about a couple hours before it got dark, before the

484
00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:04.839
<v Speaker 2>sun was going down again, land of the midnight sun,

485
00:25:05.519 --> 00:25:07.960
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't going to get total darkness, but where he

486
00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:10.640
<v Speaker 2>was in the trees, it would get dark. It's just

487
00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:13.079
<v Speaker 2>the sky would still be light. Anyone who's dealt with it,

488
00:25:13.119 --> 00:25:17.119
<v Speaker 2>they know exactly what I'm talking about. Now. He chose

489
00:25:17.160 --> 00:25:20.119
<v Speaker 2>a couple hours before the sun went down to go

490
00:25:20.200 --> 00:25:22.240
<v Speaker 2>down to the beach. He had his rifle song over

491
00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:25.039
<v Speaker 2>his shoulder, and he picked up some rocks he could

492
00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:28.519
<v Speaker 2>throw pretty far, a little smaller in the baseball sized rocks,

493
00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:31.559
<v Speaker 2>and he starts chucking them at this otter because it's

494
00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:35.079
<v Speaker 2>closer to shore. He's not even coming close, but it's

495
00:25:35.160 --> 00:25:37.039
<v Speaker 2>landing near it, and it would go under and then

496
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:39.279
<v Speaker 2>pop up over here. He'd throw a few more, and

497
00:25:39.319 --> 00:25:43.119
<v Speaker 2>he spent about forty minutes chucking rocks till his arm

498
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.920
<v Speaker 2>was sore, and he was like, ah, I'm wasting my time.

499
00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.599
<v Speaker 2>This thing ain't going anywhere, and he's still contemplating shooting it,

500
00:25:49.680 --> 00:25:52.319
<v Speaker 2>but he couldn't commit to that. He goes back up.

501
00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:56.039
<v Speaker 2>He does this thing. He eats dinner. He starts a

502
00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:58.640
<v Speaker 2>small fire just because it was wet, cold, and some

503
00:25:58.680 --> 00:26:01.519
<v Speaker 2>of his clothes were wet. They had fallen down in

504
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:03.440
<v Speaker 2>the skiff when he was out in the water earlier,

505
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:05.799
<v Speaker 2>and so had a little pop belly stove, and he

506
00:26:05.920 --> 00:26:08.640
<v Speaker 2>just lit it. Not a big roaring fire by any means,

507
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:11.079
<v Speaker 2>but just enough to warm up some clothes and dry

508
00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:14.359
<v Speaker 2>him out. Every once in a while, his curiosity would

509
00:26:14.359 --> 00:26:15.799
<v Speaker 2>get to him. He'd go and look out the window,

510
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:18.119
<v Speaker 2>and sure enough, there's that shadow out there in the water,

511
00:26:18.319 --> 00:26:20.960
<v Speaker 2>just bobbing. He felt it looking at him. But even

512
00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:23.319
<v Speaker 2>though at this point it was just a black silhouette,

513
00:26:23.880 --> 00:26:27.799
<v Speaker 2>and so he's not enjoying it, there's something about it

514
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:31.079
<v Speaker 2>that's off. So he sits down. He ends up eating.

515
00:26:31.279 --> 00:26:33.839
<v Speaker 2>The fire had pretty much died down, and the clothes

516
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:36.160
<v Speaker 2>were pretty much dry, so he was in the process

517
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:40.279
<v Speaker 2>of getting those put away and everything. He said something

518
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:42.480
<v Speaker 2>drew his attention over to the window, just as if

519
00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:45.039
<v Speaker 2>the sun had gone down and it was dark in

520
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:47.599
<v Speaker 2>the tree line, but it was still light out up

521
00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:50.240
<v Speaker 2>in the sky. He could still make out the shoreline

522
00:26:50.240 --> 00:26:53.680
<v Speaker 2>and everything, but it was pretty dim, pretty darn hard

523
00:26:53.680 --> 00:26:57.000
<v Speaker 2>to see. And as he's standing there, he's looking and

524
00:26:57.039 --> 00:26:59.720
<v Speaker 2>he notices the otters coming out of the water, and

525
00:27:00.440 --> 00:27:03.960
<v Speaker 2>just like a sea otter, but it's pitch black. It's

526
00:27:04.000 --> 00:27:06.799
<v Speaker 2>like a very dark shadow, right, and it comes out

527
00:27:07.000 --> 00:27:09.759
<v Speaker 2>and he's looking. He's, oh, it's out of the water.

528
00:27:09.960 --> 00:27:12.759
<v Speaker 2>I hope it's not gonna mess with his line or something.

529
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:15.519
<v Speaker 2>He didn't know, so he was just watching it. This

530
00:27:15.559 --> 00:27:18.759
<v Speaker 2>thing turns us starts coming up his trail, and as

531
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:21.720
<v Speaker 2>it's coming up the trail to the cabin, this shadow

532
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:25.880
<v Speaker 2>is changing. He couldn't see exactly what, but as it

533
00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:28.319
<v Speaker 2>was coming forward, the shadow is getting bigger, and all

534
00:27:28.359 --> 00:27:31.079
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, it's on two feet and it's over

535
00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:35.119
<v Speaker 2>eight foot tall, and it's walking past his window next

536
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:37.440
<v Speaker 2>to his door is facing the bay. And then there's

537
00:27:37.480 --> 00:27:40.240
<v Speaker 2>no windows along this side of the cabin and he's

538
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:42.759
<v Speaker 2>up on pilings. They're about six foot off the ground,

539
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:46.079
<v Speaker 2>and this thing walks past, and he's in shock because

540
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:49.640
<v Speaker 2>this thing went from the shape of an otter and

541
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:52.799
<v Speaker 2>it's pitch black to morphing as it's moving towards the

542
00:27:52.839 --> 00:27:56.079
<v Speaker 2>cabin rather quickly, because his cabin's a good seventy eighty

543
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:58.359
<v Speaker 2>yards tucked back up in the trees. This thing just

544
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:00.279
<v Speaker 2>barrels on up as it's morphing, and all of a

545
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:02.559
<v Speaker 2>sudden it's on tooth beat and he's leaning back from

546
00:28:02.559 --> 00:28:05.559
<v Speaker 2>the window and it walks past, and he's in shock

547
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:08.200
<v Speaker 2>seeing this. When I was asking him how he felt,

548
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:10.880
<v Speaker 2>he said he was terrified inside, to the point where

549
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:14.680
<v Speaker 2>he wasn't breathing. All of a sudden, the whole cabin

550
00:28:15.079 --> 00:28:19.559
<v Speaker 2>is pushed over. The whole thing is pushed off the pilings,

551
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:22.960
<v Speaker 2>and it basically rolls over under the roof. He doesn't

552
00:28:23.000 --> 00:28:24.640
<v Speaker 2>know how long he was out, but he knows he

553
00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:28.359
<v Speaker 2>had gotten knocked out by this because when he came to,

554
00:28:28.839 --> 00:28:31.319
<v Speaker 2>part of his clothes were pinned down by that stove,

555
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:35.000
<v Speaker 2>and thankfully there wasn't any coals in there left to

556
00:28:35.079 --> 00:28:37.240
<v Speaker 2>start the place on fire, because it'd been a still

557
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:39.960
<v Speaker 2>a fire gone he would have perished. So he fought

558
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:42.960
<v Speaker 2>to get the stove off his clothes, got up and

559
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:47.160
<v Speaker 2>sat there, squatted down, trying to figure out what just happened. Right,

560
00:28:47.319 --> 00:28:49.920
<v Speaker 2>But obviously time had passed because it's really a lot

561
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:54.400
<v Speaker 2>darker outside at this point. Now, I asked him was

562
00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:58.799
<v Speaker 2>there any noises involved, Was there any screeches, weird noises

563
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:00.799
<v Speaker 2>you'd never heard? And he said it was just silence.

564
00:29:00.880 --> 00:29:02.680
<v Speaker 2>When this thing came out of the water and just

565
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.079
<v Speaker 2>did his morphing thing, and all of a sudden he

566
00:29:05.119 --> 00:29:07.960
<v Speaker 2>could see it, this dark shadow walking on two legs.

567
00:29:08.640 --> 00:29:11.480
<v Speaker 2>That's all he could make out. One other thing that

568
00:29:11.559 --> 00:29:14.000
<v Speaker 2>he had mentioned is he noticed it had an otter

569
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:17.279
<v Speaker 2>like tail as it came by as he was watching,

570
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:19.480
<v Speaker 2>because he was trying to make sense of it in

571
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.680
<v Speaker 2>his mind, because it was all halfening, real, real fast.

572
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:26.720
<v Speaker 2>So as he's gathering himself off of the basically the

573
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:30.200
<v Speaker 2>ceiling now the roof of his cabin, he's looking around.

574
00:29:30.279 --> 00:29:33.240
<v Speaker 2>He gets his rifle, he finds it, He gets some ammo.

575
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:36.759
<v Speaker 2>He grabs the little pack he carried with them everywhere

576
00:29:36.759 --> 00:29:39.000
<v Speaker 2>that had all this pertinent stuff in it. He grabbed

577
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:41.839
<v Speaker 2>a hold of that, and he wanted to go out

578
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:45.160
<v Speaker 2>and leave, but the tide was out, it was dark out,

579
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:49.079
<v Speaker 2>and so he sat there. He basically got the door open.

580
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Everything was all jacked up, all the windows were broken

581
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:55.480
<v Speaker 2>and stuff, and he was worried this thing was still

582
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:59.240
<v Speaker 2>out there he couldn't see it right, and stay tuned

583
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.680
<v Speaker 2>for more sasquat jealousy woman right back after these messages,

584
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:09.519
<v Speaker 2>and so he's the standard, just praying that his boat

585
00:30:09.559 --> 00:30:15.319
<v Speaker 2>hadn't been messed with. Now, I've sat like that, not

586
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.039
<v Speaker 2>knowing what's going to happen next, and it's a horrible

587
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:21.240
<v Speaker 2>gut wrenching feelings. So I totally understand what he was

588
00:30:21.279 --> 00:30:25.839
<v Speaker 2>going through. Finally he got light enough olf where he

589
00:30:25.880 --> 00:30:28.440
<v Speaker 2>came out of the cabin, circled around it looking for

590
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:33.160
<v Speaker 2>this thing. There's shadows everywhere, so he's hyper paranoid. He

591
00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:35.880
<v Speaker 2>can't make one shadow out from another. So really he's

592
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:37.839
<v Speaker 2>feeling that pressure of the unknown.

593
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:38.160
<v Speaker 1>Right.

594
00:30:39.640 --> 00:30:41.799
<v Speaker 2>So what he said he did was he got down

595
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:44.720
<v Speaker 2>to the shore where his boat was, He untied it

596
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.160
<v Speaker 2>through the rope in, put his purtinent stuff in, and

597
00:30:48.200 --> 00:30:50.920
<v Speaker 2>basically sat in the skiff looking around because he had

598
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:54.960
<v Speaker 2>more visible area to view, and just waited. He said,

599
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:58.559
<v Speaker 2>initially he was really concerned about the shadows on shore

600
00:30:59.279 --> 00:31:02.440
<v Speaker 2>because he was traumatized from his cabin getting pushed off

601
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:06.160
<v Speaker 2>the pilings and landing a damn there on its roof, right,

602
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:09.400
<v Speaker 2>so he said it was. He was sitting there, he

603
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:12.799
<v Speaker 2>realized THEREOK, a lot of water behind him, and he's

604
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:16.799
<v Speaker 2>not even paying attention. So this poor guy, he had

605
00:31:16.839 --> 00:31:19.599
<v Speaker 2>to sit there, and you got to understand he was

606
00:31:19.599 --> 00:31:22.079
<v Speaker 2>not in his right mind, a lot of trauma going on.

607
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.720
<v Speaker 2>He didn't know which way to look, so at one

608
00:31:25.759 --> 00:31:29.200
<v Speaker 2>point he just slunk down with his back against the

609
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:31.960
<v Speaker 2>bottom of the skiff, looking up into the sky and

610
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:34.599
<v Speaker 2>just praying nothing came, and peeked over the edge of

611
00:31:34.599 --> 00:31:38.240
<v Speaker 2>his skiff. He had his rifle ready. He was worked up,

612
00:31:38.480 --> 00:31:41.799
<v Speaker 2>to say the least. He was severely traumatized by it,

613
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:45.599
<v Speaker 2>as you can imagine, but finally got light enough and

614
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:48.599
<v Speaker 2>at some point he had dozed up. He doesn't know

615
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 2>how it happened. He was so jacked up. He assumes

616
00:31:51.039 --> 00:31:53.960
<v Speaker 2>it was from the adrenaline dump coming off of that

617
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:57.039
<v Speaker 2>and everything. He fell asleep for a little bit. When

618
00:31:57.039 --> 00:32:00.759
<v Speaker 2>he woke up, he could hear the water hitting the skiff.

619
00:32:00.799 --> 00:32:02.279
<v Speaker 2>That's one of the things that will come up that

620
00:32:02.359 --> 00:32:04.880
<v Speaker 2>will book sound of the water on the out side

621
00:32:04.880 --> 00:32:07.720
<v Speaker 2>of the skiff. So he looked around, saw nothing. It

622
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<v Speaker 2>was daylight now, the tide was high enough for where

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<v Speaker 2>he just jumped out, pushed off with the bough, hopped in,

624
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:18.400
<v Speaker 2>fired it up. He found a temporary job doing some

625
00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:23.079
<v Speaker 2>salmon saying just to earn enough money to fly away

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<v Speaker 2>from Alaska. He went visited some family down in the

627
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<v Speaker 2>States and ended up settling in Kansas somewhere. Now. I

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<v Speaker 2>asked him, I was like, have you been back? He

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<v Speaker 2>won't come back to Alaska. As it is. He has

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<v Speaker 2>a hard time seeing the antelope out there, and when

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<v Speaker 2>he sees them, all he could think is they might

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<v Speaker 2>be a shape shifter. They might be one come to

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<v Speaker 2>look for me. So he has a very hard time

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<v Speaker 2>to this day. And this happened in nineteen seventy eight,

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<v Speaker 2>and to this day he has a very hard time

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<v Speaker 2>with that. And it was evident talking to him. He

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<v Speaker 2>wants me to send a warning out to people in southeast.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't throw rocks at sea otters. Don't throw rocks. He

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00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:03.960
<v Speaker 2>reiterated that to me several times. I used to throw

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<v Speaker 2>seal barms at the sea lions and seals when they

641
00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:09.319
<v Speaker 2>were getting in our salmon net. But I never threw

642
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<v Speaker 2>rocks at sea otters. Just a warning down southeast you

643
00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:17.079
<v Speaker 2>never know what that otder is about. So to speak,

644
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<v Speaker 2>but don't throw rocks at otters. I want to thank

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<v Speaker 2>William for sharing that. It was not easy. We must

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<v Speaker 2>have had about seven or eight different conversations, and only

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<v Speaker 2>some of the conversations dealt with this instance. Because of

648
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<v Speaker 2>the trauma involved. He had to reset, he had to

649
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.200
<v Speaker 2>calm down. He would get worked up really fast. One

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<v Speaker 2>of the things that stands out is when he said

651
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<v Speaker 2>when he woke up that pot belly stove had his

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<v Speaker 2>clothes pinned to the ground, and how it could have

653
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<v Speaker 2>went a different way. It's hard to reconcile those things,

654
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<v Speaker 2>just like this weird survivor's guilt kind of thing, even

655
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<v Speaker 2>though no one was dead or anything like that. It's

656
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<v Speaker 2>real weird, hard to put in the words unless you've

657
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<v Speaker 2>experienced it. However, I want to thank him for having

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<v Speaker 2>to fortitude to come forward share that again. He's an

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<v Speaker 2>elder now, but he cut all ties. He wouldn't even

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<v Speaker 2>come back up for his father's funeral, his mother's funeral,

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00:34:13.039 --> 00:34:16.519
<v Speaker 2>a couple of his sister's funeral. He won't come to Alaska.

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<v Speaker 2>He felt and still feels run out. He felt like

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<v Speaker 2>he had to leave and he just can't come back.

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<v Speaker 2>He just can't do it, which I can't fault the

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<v Speaker 2>guy for that anyway, William, thank you. He found me

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<v Speaker 2>by happenstance. He knows some people that are coming up

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<v Speaker 2>to Alaska, and so he said he would look into

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<v Speaker 2>the tour guides or whatever for him. So I guess

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<v Speaker 2>he was looking up Alaska tours or something and looking

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<v Speaker 2>under Alaska. One of my blips popped up on Google

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<v Speaker 2>search or whatever, and so he got curious and checked

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<v Speaker 2>it out. From what he said, he had followed along

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<v Speaker 2>for a little bit before he decided to share with me.

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<v Speaker 2>So I appreciate you having the confidence in me to

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<v Speaker 2>share that with everyone. Thank you, William. I appreciate your

676
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<v Speaker 2>time man. Thanks everyone for joining me. And we'll catch

677
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<v Speaker 2>you on the next one.

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<v Speaker 3>They say you don't gotta go home, but you can't stay.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to be.

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<v Speaker 3>World up it.

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<v Speaker 4>Try this job that chid everything right back Joy for me,

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<v Speaker 4>Joy stay right, come in right away, dons inside and

683
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<v Speaker 4>still suns and still start said stands side sad inside

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<v Speaker 4>inside and still still suss games.

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<v Speaker 3>Still stays best use as and fens and fast uss

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<v Speaker 3>fences