Speaker 1: Now one of your pudding. I got a string going
Speaker 1: on here, something just because my dog. Something killed your dog,
Speaker 1: my dog. We're flying through the air over the tree.
Speaker 1: I don't know how it did it, Okay, Damn, I'm
Speaker 1: really confused. All I saw was my dog coming over
Speaker 1: the fence and he was dead. And once you hit
Speaker 1: the ground like, I didn't see any cars. All I
Speaker 1: saw was my dog coming over the fence. Sat what
Speaker 1: are you putting? We got some wonder or something crawling
Speaker 1: around out here? Did you see what it was? Or
Speaker 1: was it was? Standing enough? I'm out here looking through
Speaker 1: the window now and I don't see anything. I don't
Speaker 1: want to go outside. Jesus Quice, you better hello, hit
Speaker 1: somebody out here?
Speaker 2: What went on out there?
Speaker 1: It's got a bit about sixty ft nine. I don't
Speaker 1: know you see them out there? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Righty oh, bred Laska, thanks again for joining me. The
Speaker 2: title of this is Killers in the Valley, and it's
Speaker 2: not hyperbole by any means. Long, long oral history with
Speaker 2: the Otanas and the Athabasket Indians over this way of
Speaker 2: exactly that killers in the Valley. It stems from the
Speaker 2: killer monkeys, the tailed monkeys approximately five foot tall, long,
Speaker 2: tails similar to lehmur body shape, a human type face.
Speaker 2: Those monkeys have the fangs, very protruding high teeth. One
Speaker 2: of the search and rescue going on, some background noise
Speaker 2: with aircraft flying round. I've shared in the past what
Speaker 2: some elders have shared with me. As far as Horse
Speaker 2: Creek off the Copper River. These hunters went back up
Speaker 2: in there. There was no game around. They got up
Speaker 2: in this plateau nutting around, and then they up to
Speaker 2: this rise. They heard weird noises on the other side
Speaker 2: of it, so they crawled up there so they didn't
Speaker 2: mark themselves on the ridgeline silhouette themselves. They get up
Speaker 2: there and they peak over and they see a group
Speaker 2: a harryman playing with human bones. They high tailed it
Speaker 2: out of there, obviously, and they backtracked several times to
Speaker 2: avoid these things following them back to their village. From
Speaker 2: Salta down to Chittna, you got killer monkeys. I've had
Speaker 2: reports from Mosquito Creek about sasquatch height ones with tails.
Speaker 2: That was difference. Just a long lineage going back a
Speaker 2: long time. So with that being said, let me share
Speaker 2: some things that were shared with me just recently. This
Speaker 2: one comes from an Ottna elder grew up outside a
Speaker 2: copper center between Chittn a copper center, spent their whole
Speaker 2: lives hunting subsistence, berry picking, all of it. Her name
Speaker 2: was Agatha. She said I could use her name now.
Speaker 2: What she shared with me stems from her childhood on through.
Speaker 2: So in her childhood berry picking, they periodically, not every day,
Speaker 2: but periodically they would hear the screams coming from basically
Speaker 2: the Horse Creek area. It sounded like a long ways off,
Speaker 2: so even when they heard it, they would still move
Speaker 2: to a different berry patch. Just that type of thing.
Speaker 2: So as she was growing up, that would happen periodically.
Speaker 2: When they were at fish camp tinting to the fish wheel,
Speaker 2: they would have salmon coming up missing, just all sorts
Speaker 2: of weirdness. One of the things that happened is she
Speaker 2: said her uncle at one point and her sister's husband
Speaker 2: at the time were tinning to the fish wheel and
Speaker 2: they said something was wrong with it. It wasn't turning.
Speaker 2: Something had jabbed a stick in it to stop its momentum.
Speaker 2: It's turning it. It was basically a log got jammed
Speaker 2: in there, and initially they thought maybe the current brought
Speaker 2: a log downstream and it got wrapped up in the
Speaker 2: wheel and locked in there. They kept looking at and
Speaker 2: trying to figure out how it got curled up in there,
Speaker 2: a stick through a bike tire type of deal, and
Speaker 2: so they couldn't figure it out. And as they were
Speaker 2: trying to dislodge this thing because they had the water
Speaker 2: current pushing against it, and they're trying to slowly wiggle
Speaker 2: it out of there. As they're doing that, they hear
Speaker 2: whistling from shore just up the bank from them, approximately
Speaker 2: fifteen twenty yards, and they're trying to who's whistling out
Speaker 2: of They thought it was another relative, and they start hollering, hey,
Speaker 2: come help us with this, Hey, come help us with this.
Speaker 2: And they pay attention to their work again. And as
Speaker 2: they're struggling, their backs are to the river bank and
Speaker 2: they're trying to pull this log out right, and so
Speaker 2: they hear the whistling again, but this time it's like
Speaker 2: literally right behind them. So they turn around to look
Speaker 2: there's a hairy man standing up on the bank, half crouch,
Speaker 2: half just determining what it was going to do. They
Speaker 2: instantly were freaked out. She said. They ran to the
Speaker 2: other side of the fish will, because there's platforms on
Speaker 2: either side and the catch that the fish drop into,
Speaker 2: and they were on the back side of that. Her
Speaker 2: older sister's husband had a pistol with them in old
Speaker 2: thirty eight of some kind. They started yelling at to
Speaker 2: get out of here, and it backed up towards the
Speaker 2: tree line a little more of the brush line and
Speaker 2: just started making these weird noises. Because it's been so long,
Speaker 2: she doesn't remember exactly what the noises were, but they
Speaker 2: were obscure, non native, non anything they'd ever heard, and
Speaker 2: these are Natives speaking peoples. So they were thrown off.
Speaker 2: The brother in law fired a shot into the air,
Speaker 2: and this thing tore out of there. Now, when it
Speaker 2: tore out of there, as they hear it leaving through
Speaker 2: the brush, they hear two other things moving with it,
Speaker 2: So in that instance, it was not alone. After sharing that,
Speaker 2: she got into some of the things types of things
Speaker 2: we've heard before, as far as kids playing on the
Speaker 2: trail ahead of them, and as they're going down the
Speaker 2: trail to get to their fishing spot for roden real fishing,
Speaker 2: all of a sudden there was no kids, no one
Speaker 2: around this one particular trail, she said, came to a
Speaker 2: dead end because it dropped to the river bank. There
Speaker 2: was nowhere else to go, so they figured they would
Speaker 2: Eventually they reached these kids, Agata said, when they were
Speaker 2: coming around the last little hook in the trail that
Speaker 2: hooks off to the right a little bit on the bank,
Speaker 2: everyone stopped for whatever reason. There was a group of
Speaker 2: five of them, all of them women, two of them armed.
Speaker 2: But they stopped because something felt off, and they stopped
Speaker 2: hearing the kid noises, and so they went forward slowly
Speaker 2: to where they could see the little area where it
Speaker 2: was cleared out and nothing. The brush was super thick,
Speaker 2: and once they got in there, then they heard kids
Speaker 2: up the trail that they just came. But it was weird.
Speaker 2: It was childlike, but not necessarily children. So two of
Speaker 2: the women that were armed, actually one of them armed,
Speaker 2: the one knot. They went back up the trail to
Speaker 2: see if kids were lost. As they were doing so,
Speaker 2: the other group of three heard them both scream and
Speaker 2: they came running back and they said, it's not kids,
Speaker 2: it's not kids, it's a hairy man. I don't have
Speaker 2: the tongue to pronounce the word they use. It's not
Speaker 2: non to knock, that's a different tribe elsewhere anyway, basically
Speaker 2: the hairy man. They said. There was two of them,
Speaker 2: small ones, and they ran off up the trail, making
Speaker 2: this weird laughing sound. The last one she shared with
Speaker 2: me comes from about three years ago. They were coming
Speaker 2: back from McCarthy. They took some relatives up that way
Speaker 2: for sight seeing, and anyone who's been on McCarthy road,
Speaker 2: holy shit, man, it's a washboard, gravel road. Nightmare. It's
Speaker 2: a primitive road, to say the least. So they were
Speaker 2: on their way back. As they were coming back, they
Speaker 2: saw two separate crossings. One of the crossings was really
Speaker 2: close in front of the vehicle. She doesn't remember exactly
Speaker 2: where on the road it was, because it's a hell
Speaker 2: of a road. It's sixty miles long and primitive. She
Speaker 2: doesn't remember exactly where it crossed. There was one, and
Speaker 2: then I got a little darker and there was a
Speaker 2: second crossing with the smaller one that went across the road. Again.
Speaker 2: All these things, it dims from that legacy, that heritage
Speaker 2: of killers. All the elder natives that I've spoken to
Speaker 2: have that oral history of they take women and children,
Speaker 2: They've killed villagers. This is going back so there was
Speaker 2: no specific dates in times and whatnot of the missing,
Speaker 2: our names of the missing. They were just talking about
Speaker 2: missing villagers. They never got specific, so I respected it.
Speaker 2: I didn't push. She said, there hasn't been the missing
Speaker 2: people like there had been in the past as far
Speaker 2: as our oral history. But the fear is still there.
Speaker 2: The fear is still very real. That being said me
Speaker 2: and squatch Bait. There's got to be something going on.
Speaker 2: The same plane and the same helicopter keeper flying a
Speaker 2: grid pattern anyway, So with me and Ryan, we went
Speaker 2: back to the Copper River Valley to check on Miss Carroll.
Speaker 2: She had continuing things going on her property. We tried
Speaker 2: to go easter, but it was so much snow we
Speaker 2: couldn't really look around. So we made it down. We're
Speaker 2: able to look around and and that that black hawk
Speaker 2: just keeps surfing on. Don't know if you guys, almost
Speaker 2: like it was a show. Now I'll have to see
Speaker 2: the video when I've done, And it was like it
Speaker 2: wasn't showing up on video. That's weird. So we're down
Speaker 2: there checking things out for Miss Carroll, trying to bring
Speaker 2: her peace of mind, checking out her trail camera set
Speaker 2: up things of this nature. So we look around. We
Speaker 2: went to places we couldn't reach because of the snow,
Speaker 2: areas of high strangeness. We were walking. There was no
Speaker 2: game trail. We just picked a spot and started walking
Speaker 2: in to go to check out this pond to see
Speaker 2: if we could see any tracks around the pond. And
Speaker 2: as first thing, we walked through the brush and we'd
Speaker 2: get into this small little clearing where at some point
Speaker 2: someone had dropped a beetlekill spruce. No big deal, that happens.
Speaker 2: What was odd was there was two saplings bent over.
Speaker 2: They weren't snapped, they were flexed very hard to a
Speaker 2: hard ninety degree angle and they made an X on
Speaker 2: the ground the way they were crossed. Just odds, odd stuff,
Speaker 2: various tree brakes, the feeling in the air. It is
Speaker 2: not just one thing. It was a multitude at things.
Speaker 2: After our excursion around this property, this property was a
Speaker 2: former farm area near Kinney Lake and a cult used
Speaker 2: to own that property years ago and they moved all
Speaker 2: the cult housing up to Delta. We suspect they were
Speaker 2: doing some shenanigans as far as whatever they were doing
Speaker 2: as far as sacrifices or summoning, who knows because later
Speaker 2: on that night, we were discussing the day's events and
Speaker 2: what we saw and just our feelings about what was
Speaker 2: going on with Miss Carroll because she was stressed out.
Speaker 2: She's in her seventies, she's there alone, and it's her home,
Speaker 2: but yet she felt trapped in her home because she
Speaker 2: was scared to go outside. As we're sitting there talking,
Speaker 2: she's sitting in her chair and she says, oh, there's
Speaker 2: a light out there. We look. I didn't see it initially,
Speaker 2: but she had me sit where she was sitting and
Speaker 2: I looked and I saw the orb right. It was
Speaker 2: like a light salmon color opaque, not bright, and had
Speaker 2: a little shimmer to it. So I'm thinking, is that
Speaker 2: light refraction from one of the ponds back there? Something?
Speaker 2: So I'm watching, so I decided to go outside. I
Speaker 2: get outside, I walk from one side of the driveway
Speaker 2: to the other, watching this thing. And as I was
Speaker 2: coming back across the driveway to go up this little
Speaker 2: dirt mound behind the outhouse, this thing was shimmering and
Speaker 2: it was moving away from me into the trees, almost
Speaker 2: like trying to draw me out. Immediately was like, I
Speaker 2: ain't following that thing. Later on a red one showed
Speaker 2: up ball lightning. Who knows. It just seemed very odd
Speaker 2: how it transpired, how everything transpired. Unfortunately, the stress was
Speaker 2: again too much for Miss Carroll. As she's back in
Speaker 2: North Pole. There's virtually no answers before people going through
Speaker 2: what she's going through and being there alone and whatnot.
Speaker 2: It's totally understandable why she didn't want to stay. Hopefully
Speaker 2: things can get resolved in some way to where she
Speaker 2: can enjoy her time there. While she has time there,
Speaker 2: it's been her home for a long time. Her husband's
Speaker 2: buried on the property and things like that, so it's
Speaker 2: not just a vacation home. Was their home. A shout
Speaker 2: out to Miss Carroll. Another thing I want to share
Speaker 2: in this video. This will be a two just because
Speaker 2: it's just easier to do it that way. The last
Speaker 2: portion I want to share with you guys has to
Speaker 2: do with McCarthy rode again. Just recently, I was emailed
Speaker 2: from a guy in twenty fifteen. He was on McCarthy road.
Speaker 2: He said roughly the midway point and on McCarthy wrote,
Speaker 2: if anyone's ever been there, there's a little pullouts here
Speaker 2: and there, nice little spots, some overlooking the valley on
Speaker 2: the one side, some just with the tree backdrop. He
Speaker 2: found one with the tree backdrop, and he backed his
Speaker 2: little Toyota pickup in there. And he had an old
Speaker 2: school a frame pop up tent that fit perfectly in
Speaker 2: the bed of his truck because he didn't have a
Speaker 2: canopy over it. So he had it set up, and
Speaker 2: he said it was close to the end of August
Speaker 2: when he finally made it out there, and a lot
Speaker 2: of the tourists were gone and it was a lot quieter, right,
Speaker 2: So he had his tent set up and the flap
Speaker 2: opening obviously towards the tailgate side. He left the tailgate down.
Speaker 2: He was just laying in there. His dog he kept
Speaker 2: locked up inside the cab of the truck because he
Speaker 2: was worried the dog was still a puppy, and he
Speaker 2: was worried the dog would just scamper off, for get
Speaker 2: lured off by wolves and so on. There's wolves about bears,
Speaker 2: about lions, tigers and bears amc It is wild Alaska,
Speaker 2: it's untamed. So he kept the dog in the cab
Speaker 2: and he was just crashing out for the night. He
Speaker 2: had a small flashlight and a three fifty seven magnum.
Speaker 2: Now he didn't light a fire because he got there late,
Speaker 2: but he had a fire pile set up for in
Speaker 2: the morning so he could start a fire, bruce coffee
Speaker 2: and what have you. This gentleman's name is Mark. He
Speaker 2: was just dozing off. The rain had let off, because
Speaker 2: it had been raining a little bit late in that afternoon.
Speaker 2: The rain died off about a half hour prior, and
Speaker 2: he was finally able to start dozing off, and he
Speaker 2: starts hearing this very odd like a cooing, like a
Speaker 2: pigeon cooing, but much louder. And so this cooping's going on,
Speaker 2: and it sounds like it's on a constant movement, not
Speaker 2: necessarily real close to his truck, but enough to where
Speaker 2: and it's almost like it's facing him while it's making
Speaker 2: this sound like a horseshoe shape back and forth. It's
Speaker 2: not at a fast cadence. It's just moving not fast
Speaker 2: nor slow, but at a steady pace back and forth,
Speaker 2: this cooing sound. So he's what the hell is that?
Speaker 2: So he listens for a while and he's just shaking
Speaker 2: it up to just some strangeness. So he's again trying
Speaker 2: to fall back asleep and as he's doing so, he
Speaker 2: feels the truck thump and it shakes the truck right
Speaker 2: and he was just on the verge of falling asleep,
Speaker 2: so it startled him. So he turns on the flashlight,
Speaker 2: pulds up his gun and gets to the edge of
Speaker 2: the tent unzips it, opens it up and he's looking
Speaker 2: around with the flashlight out the back. Sees nothing, and
Speaker 2: he decides, you know what, something bumped my rig. I
Speaker 2: need to get out and take a look. So he
Speaker 2: crawls out. He puts on his boots real quick, and
Speaker 2: he's looking. It's not super dark, but it's dark enough
Speaker 2: to where the woods are dark, but the sky has
Speaker 2: some light to it. Right, stay tuned for more sasquatch
Speaker 2: out to sea. We'll be right back after the east messages.
Speaker 2: So he's panning hero out the flashlight. He's trying to
Speaker 2: figure it out what the hell was that, And he's
Speaker 2: literally standing at the bed of his truck. The tailgate
Speaker 2: is basically he's leaning back against it with his butt.
Speaker 2: He fills the truck shake again and he thinks, oh crap, earthquake.
Speaker 2: So he runs around to the front of the truck
Speaker 2: and is going to jump inside it, and as he's
Speaker 2: coming around to grab the door handle, he has to
Speaker 2: basically turn the flashlight and grab the pandel because he's
Speaker 2: got the gun in one hand flashlight in the other.
Speaker 2: So as he's doing so, he notices a flashlight catch
Speaker 2: some eye shine right off the front of his Toyota,
Speaker 2: right by the road. So immediately he stops, and he
Speaker 2: says his heart sank because when he was reaching the
Speaker 2: eye shine was up higher, and so when he was
Speaker 2: reaching for the door handle with his flashlight and he
Speaker 2: caught the glimpse of that eye shine out of his right,
Speaker 2: he said, it felt like everything went slow motion, and
Speaker 2: it was almost like a horror movie. As he slowly
Speaker 2: brought the flash light up. Not to laugh, because me
Speaker 2: and Mark laughed about it ourselves, just the holy crap.
Speaker 2: And he beams this thing in the face and he
Speaker 2: has one of those small it was like one hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty loom and it wasn't the brightest thing, but
Speaker 2: it had new batteries, so it still put off a
Speaker 2: decent enough beam to where he could see what he
Speaker 2: was looking at. All black, leathery looking face, really wrinkled,
Speaker 2: no hair around. It was like almost like the planet
Speaker 2: of the apes, he said, because the hair came up
Speaker 2: to just below the cheek bones around none by the face,
Speaker 2: real white jaw. Didn't see its teeth, real thin purse lips.
Speaker 2: The mouth protruded a little further than the nose, flat
Speaker 2: to the face, broad nostrils, pitch black looking, black eyes.
Speaker 2: The eye shine was a very light reddish hue to it.
Speaker 2: Immediately he froze. He stares at it a second, and
Speaker 2: this thing turns and walks off to his left in
Speaker 2: front of his truck and comes around the other side
Speaker 2: of his truck. Now as it's doing that, he hops
Speaker 2: in the truck, slams the door. He's looking, and this
Speaker 2: thing is walking by and is looking. He's assuming at
Speaker 2: his dog because his dog is curled up on the
Speaker 2: floorboard underneath the steering wheel, trying to basically hide. Dog
Speaker 2: didn't make a peep, and it was some kind of
Speaker 2: Chesapeake Terrier or something a mix dog ain't making a peep.
Speaker 2: He's sitting in the passenger side. He's flashlighting. This thing
Speaker 2: walk past the truck. The truck shakes again. He hears
Speaker 2: the loudest blood curdling scream. He said, he didn't just
Speaker 2: only feel it in his body. He felt it in
Speaker 2: the truck, and he heard it thrash away, making this
Speaker 2: god awful noise and tree breaking and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: He calmed down for a minute. He said it was
Speaker 2: probably two hours before he stopped shaking. Half the time
Speaker 2: he was trying to hide below the dash line to
Speaker 2: not be seen. Other times he's trying to peek around.
Speaker 2: He was so scared. He was scared to move from
Speaker 2: the passenger seat to the driver's seat to start the
Speaker 2: fucking truck and get the hell out of there. That's
Speaker 2: how freaked out he was. I asked him, do you
Speaker 2: think it was like going for your dog or just
Speaker 2: trying to lure you?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I was asking him how he felt inside about it,
Speaker 2: because that can speak volumes to what occurred during the incident.
Speaker 2: He said, once he saw it and it started moving,
Speaker 2: he didn't feel necessarily in danger for himself. He felt
Speaker 2: like things could go south real fast, and so when
Speaker 2: he jumped in the truck and it was going by,
Speaker 2: he said, that's when he felt the most vulnerable, which
Speaker 2: is weird inside the truck because he said he felt trapped.
Speaker 2: I understand that, trust me. It's not a good feeling,
Speaker 2: he said, once it went past and was going to
Speaker 2: the past the bed of the truck and he turned
Speaker 2: the flashlight. He can only see it so much because
Speaker 2: of that little a frame tint in the back was
Speaker 2: right up back against the back of the cab, and
Speaker 2: so he had limited vision out that back window. He said.
Speaker 2: Once it got back to the back and started that scream,
Speaker 2: then he felt in danger of his life at that point.
Speaker 2: But up in heil Nd, he just felt like it
Speaker 2: was sizing him up is the feeling he had. That's
Speaker 2: basically what happened. After he calmed down for a couple hours.
Speaker 2: What gave him confidence. The dog got off the floorboard
Speaker 2: and got up on the seat, and so he figured,
Speaker 2: if the dog's calm, I can be calm, and so
Speaker 2: he scooted the dog over. He drove out of there.
Speaker 2: He got about two miles down the road before he stopped,
Speaker 2: went out back and shut his tailgate, and he just
Speaker 2: left a tent up until it got daylight and he
Speaker 2: was well up the road. I want to thank Mark
Speaker 2: for sharing that. I'm going to thank miss Carroll for
Speaker 2: having us out there, and the elder Agatha who shared
Speaker 2: her experiences. There's more to come on the Copper River legacy.
Speaker 2: Thes a just a drop in the bucket. It's a
Speaker 2: little windy, so I'll be sure to speak up so
Speaker 2: you can hear me what I wanted to share with
Speaker 2: you today. It comes from William William's Clinkett Elder. He
Speaker 2: used to live down in southeast Alaska. He asked me
Speaker 2: not to speak of the exact place he still owns.
Speaker 2: The property hasn't been back so back in in nineteen
Speaker 2: seventy eight. William had finished building his cabin over there
Speaker 2: a couple of years before that, and he really loved
Speaker 2: going out there. He had his own little crab pods
Speaker 2: and he would set him out as he was coming
Speaker 2: into the cabin, so on the next tide he can
Speaker 2: go out grab his fresh crab. He enjoyed the sea
Speaker 2: life and all that he could see. The orc was
Speaker 2: coming through and it was just beautiful. Now whereas cabin is,
Speaker 2: it's in this little bit of a bay. It's hucked
Speaker 2: back up into the trees at just the right spot
Speaker 2: to where it avoids all the winds, all the culftal
Speaker 2: winds and stuff. He loves a place, It was evident
Speaker 2: talking to him, now, what occurred was or the first
Speaker 2: week he was out there. There was no issue. He
Speaker 2: was getting a couple of crabs a day, which is perfect.
Speaker 2: That's all he needed. If he ever got extras, he
Speaker 2: just let him go immediately. It was just mainly to
Speaker 2: have that fresh seafood. While he was there. He had
Speaker 2: noticed about a weekend on his visit, this very large
Speaker 2: sea otter off in the distance. At first, it was
Speaker 2: staying off in the distance, and he thought it was
Speaker 2: strange how big this thing was, and so he was like,
Speaker 2: it's the last he things get big. Whatever, No big deal,
Speaker 2: at least initially, that's what he thought initially. And so
Speaker 2: the following day on the tide, he was out there
Speaker 2: retrieving his crab pots, and there's no crab in him.
Speaker 2: There's this sea otter again, So he attributed it to
Speaker 2: the sea otter eating all the crab or whatever he decides.
Speaker 2: He had a few rocks in the skip that he
Speaker 2: had picked up over the time, so he threw some
Speaker 2: rocks at this otter to scare it away, not to
Speaker 2: directly hit it, but just to scare it away, chase
Speaker 2: it out of the area, so to speak. He did
Speaker 2: that day reset the posts with fresh bait. Came back
Speaker 2: the next day, otter was nearby. Nothing in the pots,
Speaker 2: so you know, he's getting a little more upset, so
Speaker 2: he chucked some more rocks to each his own. It
Speaker 2: is what it is, he thought that, because he could
Speaker 2: have got seal bombs and incout seal bombs out there
Speaker 2: and foam explosion underwater, but he didn't. He just throw
Speaker 2: some rocks. He figured it would work. So he threw
Speaker 2: rocks again on the second day and reset the pots,
Speaker 2: trying to get across to this sea otter that hey,
Speaker 2: this is my area to get out of here. And
Speaker 2: it wasn't work. But so when he comes back on
Speaker 2: that third day, he sees the sea otter as he's
Speaker 2: coming up to his pots. He has little marker movies
Speaker 2: and he comes up and he already knows there's not
Speaker 2: going to be anything in the pots, so he immediately
Speaker 2: starts chucking rocks. That just thinks. One of the rocks
Speaker 2: came pretty close the otter at the time was about
Speaker 2: twenty five feet away, and he said it was just
Speaker 2: so being but seemed just so out of place to
Speaker 2: be there. And so he was just like, all right,
Speaker 2: it is what it is. And the Chuck's rocks right,
Speaker 2: the thing dives under, he doesn't see it, and it
Speaker 2: pops up about seventy yards away. However, when it pops up,
Speaker 2: the sunlight's beaming right on this thing, right, beaman right
Speaker 2: on it, and it's just dark. It's just black. But
Speaker 2: it's a silhouette of the sea otter and he's throwing off.
Speaker 2: He gets a creepy vibe from it because it's just
Speaker 2: pitch black when it pops up about seventy yards away,
Speaker 2: and so it thinks about shooting it. He's like, man,
Speaker 2: should I just shoot this thing? And then he was like, no,
Speaker 2: but probably I'm not here all that much, so maybe
Speaker 2: it hunts here all the time and I'm intruding. So
Speaker 2: he was like, nah, that wouldn't be right to just
Speaker 2: shoot this thing. So he let it be. He checked
Speaker 2: one more rock. It didn't even come close, but this
Speaker 2: thing just watched him. And when he got back to
Speaker 2: shore and he was pulling up his line because it
Speaker 2: was the tide was just starting to go out, so
Speaker 2: he drew the line up to shore and anchored it
Speaker 2: off or whatever. Now and when he comes back to
Speaker 2: the boat to retrieve his gear, this thing is about
Speaker 2: fifty yards right off shore looking at him, still pitch
Speaker 2: black silhouette with a sea otter, and he got the
Speaker 2: eb gv's. He said that scared him, the way it
Speaker 2: was just ominous feeling, the way this thing was right
Speaker 2: out there, and just he felt it looking at him,
Speaker 2: even though it was just a black silhouette, couldn't see
Speaker 2: eye is when the days before it was a sea
Speaker 2: otter face, cute, fuzzy whiskers, the whole bit. But this
Speaker 2: thing was black. It was his pitch black, no nothing,
Speaker 2: And so he gathered up his stuff, thought it was
Speaker 2: odd and figured, Okay, if it gets out of control,
Speaker 2: I'll I'll shoot it. I'll just get rid of it.
Speaker 2: But it's something he didn't want to do. He retreats inside,
Speaker 2: and he has about at that time, about eight more
Speaker 2: hours of daylight, right before it started getting dark. So
Speaker 2: during that eight hours he'd be doing stuff around his cabin,
Speaker 2: cleaning up and doing whatever, and every once in a while
Speaker 2: he'd look out because he had a straight path right
Speaker 2: on down to the beach and then it dropped down
Speaker 2: to the gravel and then went out and his boat
Speaker 2: was right there. It was tied off nearby, and he
Speaker 2: could see right out into this little bay. Every time
Speaker 2: he would look out there, black silhouette right out in
Speaker 2: the water, sometimes a little closer, sometimes a little further,
Speaker 2: but always appearing to be looking at him right. He said,
Speaker 2: about a couple hours before it got dark, before the
Speaker 2: sun was going down again, land of the midnight sun,
Speaker 2: he wasn't going to get total darkness, but where he
Speaker 2: was in the trees, it would get dark. It's just
Speaker 2: the sky would still be light. Anyone who's dealt with it,
Speaker 2: they know exactly what I'm talking about. Now. He chose
Speaker 2: a couple hours before the sun went down to go
Speaker 2: down to the beach. He had his rifle song over
Speaker 2: his shoulder, and he picked up some rocks he could
Speaker 2: throw pretty far, a little smaller in the baseball sized rocks,
Speaker 2: and he starts chucking them at this otter because it's
Speaker 2: closer to shore. He's not even coming close, but it's
Speaker 2: landing near it, and it would go under and then
Speaker 2: pop up over here. He'd throw a few more, and
Speaker 2: he spent about forty minutes chucking rocks till his arm
Speaker 2: was sore, and he was like, ah, I'm wasting my time.
Speaker 2: This thing ain't going anywhere, and he's still contemplating shooting it,
Speaker 2: but he couldn't commit to that. He goes back up.
Speaker 2: He does this thing. He eats dinner. He starts a
Speaker 2: small fire just because it was wet, cold, and some
Speaker 2: of his clothes were wet. They had fallen down in
Speaker 2: the skiff when he was out in the water earlier,
Speaker 2: and so had a little pop belly stove, and he
Speaker 2: just lit it. Not a big roaring fire by any means,
Speaker 2: but just enough to warm up some clothes and dry
Speaker 2: him out. Every once in a while, his curiosity would
Speaker 2: get to him. He'd go and look out the window,
Speaker 2: and sure enough, there's that shadow out there in the water,
Speaker 2: just bobbing. He felt it looking at him. But even
Speaker 2: though at this point it was just a black silhouette,
Speaker 2: and so he's not enjoying it, there's something about it
Speaker 2: that's off. So he sits down. He ends up eating.
Speaker 2: The fire had pretty much died down, and the clothes
Speaker 2: were pretty much dry, so he was in the process
Speaker 2: of getting those put away and everything. He said something
Speaker 2: drew his attention over to the window, just as if
Speaker 2: the sun had gone down and it was dark in
Speaker 2: the tree line, but it was still light out up
Speaker 2: in the sky. He could still make out the shoreline
Speaker 2: and everything, but it was pretty dim, pretty darn hard
Speaker 2: to see. And as he's standing there, he's looking and
Speaker 2: he notices the otters coming out of the water, and
Speaker 2: just like a sea otter, but it's pitch black. It's
Speaker 2: like a very dark shadow, right, and it comes out
Speaker 2: and he's looking. He's, oh, it's out of the water.
Speaker 2: I hope it's not gonna mess with his line or something.
Speaker 2: He didn't know, so he was just watching it. This
Speaker 2: thing turns us starts coming up his trail, and as
Speaker 2: it's coming up the trail to the cabin, this shadow
Speaker 2: is changing. He couldn't see exactly what, but as it
Speaker 2: was coming forward, the shadow is getting bigger, and all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, it's on two feet and it's over
Speaker 2: eight foot tall, and it's walking past his window next
Speaker 2: to his door is facing the bay. And then there's
Speaker 2: no windows along this side of the cabin and he's
Speaker 2: up on pilings. They're about six foot off the ground,
Speaker 2: and this thing walks past, and he's in shock because
Speaker 2: this thing went from the shape of an otter and
Speaker 2: it's pitch black to morphing as it's moving towards the
Speaker 2: cabin rather quickly, because his cabin's a good seventy eighty
Speaker 2: yards tucked back up in the trees. This thing just
Speaker 2: barrels on up as it's morphing, and all of a
Speaker 2: sudden it's on tooth beat and he's leaning back from
Speaker 2: the window and it walks past, and he's in shock
Speaker 2: seeing this. When I was asking him how he felt,
Speaker 2: he said he was terrified inside, to the point where
Speaker 2: he wasn't breathing. All of a sudden, the whole cabin
Speaker 2: is pushed over. The whole thing is pushed off the pilings,
Speaker 2: and it basically rolls over under the roof. He doesn't
Speaker 2: know how long he was out, but he knows he
Speaker 2: had gotten knocked out by this because when he came to,
Speaker 2: part of his clothes were pinned down by that stove,
Speaker 2: and thankfully there wasn't any coals in there left to
Speaker 2: start the place on fire, because it'd been a still
Speaker 2: a fire gone he would have perished. So he fought
Speaker 2: to get the stove off his clothes, got up and
Speaker 2: sat there, squatted down, trying to figure out what just happened. Right,
Speaker 2: But obviously time had passed because it's really a lot
Speaker 2: darker outside at this point. Now, I asked him was
Speaker 2: there any noises involved, Was there any screeches, weird noises
Speaker 2: you'd never heard? And he said it was just silence.
Speaker 2: When this thing came out of the water and just
Speaker 2: did his morphing thing, and all of a sudden he
Speaker 2: could see it, this dark shadow walking on two legs.
Speaker 2: That's all he could make out. One other thing that
Speaker 2: he had mentioned is he noticed it had an otter
Speaker 2: like tail as it came by as he was watching,
Speaker 2: because he was trying to make sense of it in
Speaker 2: his mind, because it was all halfening, real, real fast.
Speaker 2: So as he's gathering himself off of the basically the
Speaker 2: ceiling now the roof of his cabin, he's looking around.
Speaker 2: He gets his rifle, he finds it, He gets some ammo.
Speaker 2: He grabs the little pack he carried with them everywhere
Speaker 2: that had all this pertinent stuff in it. He grabbed
Speaker 2: a hold of that, and he wanted to go out
Speaker 2: and leave, but the tide was out, it was dark out,
Speaker 2: and so he sat there. He basically got the door open.
Speaker 2: Everything was all jacked up, all the windows were broken
Speaker 2: and stuff, and he was worried this thing was still
Speaker 2: out there he couldn't see it right, and stay tuned
Speaker 2: for more sasquat jealousy woman right back after these messages,
Speaker 2: and so he's the standard, just praying that his boat
Speaker 2: hadn't been messed with. Now, I've sat like that, not
Speaker 2: knowing what's going to happen next, and it's a horrible
Speaker 2: gut wrenching feelings. So I totally understand what he was
Speaker 2: going through. Finally he got light enough olf where he
Speaker 2: came out of the cabin, circled around it looking for
Speaker 2: this thing. There's shadows everywhere, so he's hyper paranoid. He
Speaker 2: can't make one shadow out from another. So really he's
Speaker 2: feeling that pressure of the unknown.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: So what he said he did was he got down
Speaker 2: to the shore where his boat was, He untied it
Speaker 2: through the rope in, put his purtinent stuff in, and
Speaker 2: basically sat in the skiff looking around because he had
Speaker 2: more visible area to view, and just waited. He said,
Speaker 2: initially he was really concerned about the shadows on shore
Speaker 2: because he was traumatized from his cabin getting pushed off
Speaker 2: the pilings and landing a damn there on its roof, right,
Speaker 2: so he said it was. He was sitting there, he
Speaker 2: realized THEREOK, a lot of water behind him, and he's
Speaker 2: not even paying attention. So this poor guy, he had
Speaker 2: to sit there, and you got to understand he was
Speaker 2: not in his right mind, a lot of trauma going on.
Speaker 2: He didn't know which way to look, so at one
Speaker 2: point he just slunk down with his back against the
Speaker 2: bottom of the skiff, looking up into the sky and
Speaker 2: just praying nothing came, and peeked over the edge of
Speaker 2: his skiff. He had his rifle ready. He was worked up,
Speaker 2: to say the least. He was severely traumatized by it,
Speaker 2: as you can imagine, but finally got light enough and
Speaker 2: at some point he had dozed up. He doesn't know
Speaker 2: how it happened. He was so jacked up. He assumes
Speaker 2: it was from the adrenaline dump coming off of that
Speaker 2: and everything. He fell asleep for a little bit. When
Speaker 2: he woke up, he could hear the water hitting the skiff.
Speaker 2: That's one of the things that will come up that
Speaker 2: will book sound of the water on the out side
Speaker 2: of the skiff. So he looked around, saw nothing. It
Speaker 2: was daylight now, the tide was high enough for where
Speaker 2: he just jumped out, pushed off with the bough, hopped in,
Speaker 2: fired it up. He found a temporary job doing some
Speaker 2: salmon saying just to earn enough money to fly away
Speaker 2: from Alaska. He went visited some family down in the
Speaker 2: States and ended up settling in Kansas somewhere. Now. I
Speaker 2: asked him, I was like, have you been back? He
Speaker 2: won't come back to Alaska. As it is. He has
Speaker 2: a hard time seeing the antelope out there, and when
Speaker 2: he sees them, all he could think is they might
Speaker 2: be a shape shifter. They might be one come to
Speaker 2: look for me. So he has a very hard time
Speaker 2: to this day. And this happened in nineteen seventy eight,
Speaker 2: and to this day he has a very hard time
Speaker 2: with that. And it was evident talking to him. He
Speaker 2: wants me to send a warning out to people in southeast.
Speaker 2: Don't throw rocks at sea otters. Don't throw rocks. He
Speaker 2: reiterated that to me several times. I used to throw
Speaker 2: seal barms at the sea lions and seals when they
Speaker 2: were getting in our salmon net. But I never threw
Speaker 2: rocks at sea otters. Just a warning down southeast you
Speaker 2: never know what that otder is about. So to speak,
Speaker 2: but don't throw rocks at otters. I want to thank
Speaker 2: William for sharing that. It was not easy. We must
Speaker 2: have had about seven or eight different conversations, and only
Speaker 2: some of the conversations dealt with this instance. Because of
Speaker 2: the trauma involved. He had to reset, he had to
Speaker 2: calm down. He would get worked up really fast. One
Speaker 2: of the things that stands out is when he said
Speaker 2: when he woke up that pot belly stove had his
Speaker 2: clothes pinned to the ground, and how it could have
Speaker 2: went a different way. It's hard to reconcile those things,
Speaker 2: just like this weird survivor's guilt kind of thing, even
Speaker 2: though no one was dead or anything like that. It's
Speaker 2: real weird, hard to put in the words unless you've
Speaker 2: experienced it. However, I want to thank him for having
Speaker 2: to fortitude to come forward share that again. He's an
Speaker 2: elder now, but he cut all ties. He wouldn't even
Speaker 2: come back up for his father's funeral, his mother's funeral,
Speaker 2: a couple of his sister's funeral. He won't come to Alaska.
Speaker 2: He felt and still feels run out. He felt like
Speaker 2: he had to leave and he just can't come back.
Speaker 2: He just can't do it, which I can't fault the
Speaker 2: guy for that anyway, William, thank you. He found me
Speaker 2: by happenstance. He knows some people that are coming up
Speaker 2: to Alaska, and so he said he would look into
Speaker 2: the tour guides or whatever for him. So I guess
Speaker 2: he was looking up Alaska tours or something and looking
Speaker 2: under Alaska. One of my blips popped up on Google
Speaker 2: search or whatever, and so he got curious and checked
Speaker 2: it out. From what he said, he had followed along
Speaker 2: for a little bit before he decided to share with me.
Speaker 2: So I appreciate you having the confidence in me to
Speaker 2: share that with everyone. Thank you, William. I appreciate your
Speaker 2: time man. Thanks everyone for joining me. And we'll catch
Speaker 2: you on the next one.
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