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Speaker 2: Hi, I'm Shannon. Hi I'm Tanya, and we are Crimes
Speaker 2: and Consequences, a hardcore true crime podcast. Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya.
Speaker 2: How are you. I'm doing pretty good. How are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing quite well. I'm caught up on sleep and yeah,
Speaker 2: oh I didn't tell you, but I did switch. I'm
Speaker 2: kind of switching out my style and of course I
Speaker 2: would love to be in a lavender marriage for my
Speaker 2: husband's style guidance, you know, which I have none. But
Speaker 2: in the interim, so like I said, I've been up
Speaker 2: and fluctuating with my weight. Gotta make a decision. Am
Speaker 2: I going out the rest of the way pleasantly plump?
Speaker 2: Or am I gonna get my shit together? Come on,
Speaker 2: fifty five double nickels. Let's quit fucking around, Shannon.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, while I'm deciding, I had found these swing
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Speaker 2: is so nice. Now it is one of the excises,
Speaker 2: but I'm okay with it. Guess what, I got great hair,
Speaker 2: and I'm gonna pick that for now. Girl.
Speaker 1: I've been coasting on my hair for years.
Speaker 2: Ooh girl, it's so good to have some good hair
Speaker 2: like not. Don you know in my youth I was bleach,
Speaker 2: black bleach, red bleach. So it does kind of shorten
Speaker 2: up any kind of growing time for your hair if
Speaker 2: you're always in a damaged state. And now that I
Speaker 2: haven't done it in three years, I'm all like, I
Speaker 2: felt like you when we went to a Planet fitness.
Speaker 2: You had that fucking lion's mane when you woke up.
Speaker 2: My god, oh my god, you guys. Tanya has the
Speaker 2: best hair, and she had really thick, long hair. And
Speaker 2: when we were in our thirties and we'd go to
Speaker 2: the gym and we'd sign in and the guy would
Speaker 2: be like, he whispered to her nice hair, and she's all.
Speaker 1: Like thanks, Like I had rolled out of bed. I
Speaker 1: didn't put it up in a ponytail because it looked good, right,
Speaker 1: it's so bad toussled and thick, and so when he
Speaker 1: said something to me, I was like, invalidated the whole boy, if.
Speaker 2: I didn't put it in a ponytail, that's right. I
Speaker 2: left my scrunchy at home this morning. About you, how
Speaker 2: are you doing?
Speaker 1: I'm doing pretty good. Just working, you know, working, working, getting.
Speaker 2: Through the summer, these last couple of weeks before the
Speaker 2: kids go back to school. Yeah, September's here, Labor Day,
Speaker 2: all the good stuff. Put the white shoes away, I
Speaker 2: got my checklist, I got my checklist of things to do.
Speaker 1: I can't wear white after Labor Day. But yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's just same old, same old. Yeah, just chugging along.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just tired. I'm fucking tired all the time.
Speaker 1: But oh girl, yes, I was thinking like maybe I
Speaker 1: need to take vitamins. I don't know, maybe I need
Speaker 1: like a vitamin task. Am I be twelve deficient?
Speaker 2: Or right?
Speaker 1: Am? I'm so tired?
Speaker 2: But how should I use magnesium? Yeah? I curt all
Speaker 2: the hubbub, But am I using it to relax or
Speaker 2: to energize? You know?
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. That's
Speaker 1: why I don't take vitamins. I don't know. Maybe I should, honestly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see, we'll see. How Yeah, which, I got
Speaker 2: a great store and it's out of Australia. Back at
Speaker 2: the turn of the century, and I mean the two thousands.
Speaker 1: I'd like to nine hundred.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right. But yeah, this is this is a
Speaker 2: very good story. I of course few of us have
Speaker 2: heard of it. It's because I know I haven't. It
Speaker 2: was in Australia, Like I said, New South Wales, back
Speaker 2: at the turn of the century, two thousand and five.
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Speaker 2: the stories that we bring every week from all over
Speaker 2: the world. And I'm going to tell you this story
Speaker 2: starts on Wednesday, June twenty second, two thousand and five,
Speaker 2: in New South Wales, Australia, in the city of Double
Speaker 2: people noticed a little girl wandering outside in the front
Speaker 2: yard of a house located at two one five bungle
Speaker 2: Gumby Road. Fun name Bungle Gumby Buncle Gummy. The people
Speaker 2: who found her didn't really look for the girl's mother
Speaker 2: at the time, and her mother wasn't located until the
Speaker 2: following day. Now, her mother, Christy Scoles, had been broodingly
Speaker 2: murdered earlier that same year, in January, a woman named
Speaker 2: Letitia Nolan had gone missing, and after finding Christie Scoles,
Speaker 2: the police constables had one common denominator between the murderer
Speaker 2: and the missing person, Malcolm John Naden mm HM. On
Speaker 2: the night that Letitia Nolan went missing, she was driving
Speaker 2: her nineteen ninety six dark blue Ford Falcon station Wagon.
Speaker 2: She had her kids in toe and she was dropping
Speaker 2: off the kids off at two one five Bungo Gumby
Speaker 2: Road so that they could spend time with their great
Speaker 2: grandparents Jack and Flow. And as she was walking up
Speaker 2: to the path to the house, her cousin, Malcolm creepily
Speaker 2: stepped out of the darkness and asked her if she
Speaker 2: could give him him a ride into town. Originally, she
Speaker 2: was frightened by the dark figure that approached her, but
Speaker 2: then she recognized it was her cousin, she felt at ease.
Speaker 2: She had known Malcolm throughout her whole life, and she
Speaker 2: knew about previous troubles that he had had gone through. Regardless,
Speaker 2: Letitia still liked him and the two had always gotten along.
Speaker 2: She was raised by her mother, who wasn't too strict,
Speaker 2: but on the other hand, Malcolm's father, Richard, was known
Speaker 2: to be extremely strict, so given this, Letitia always felt
Speaker 2: bad for him for how hard Richard always was on
Speaker 2: Malcolm up to this point. Richard's favorite child was Malcolm's
Speaker 2: older brother, Jason. Jason and Richard were very similar in personalities,
Speaker 2: so Letitia always thought that Malcolm really missed out on
Speaker 2: a potential relationship with his father. Due to this, Malcolm's
Speaker 2: father eventually threw him out of the house, so he
Speaker 2: had no choice but to move in with Jack and Flo.
Speaker 2: Latitia thought that nothing but good would come from this
Speaker 2: from moving in with his grandparents. Since the move, Letitia
Speaker 2: really got used to seeing him at the house when
Speaker 2: she would drop by for visits, and sometimes Malcolm would
Speaker 2: drop by Letitia's house to do odd jobs around her
Speaker 2: house and mower lawn stuff like that. Due to all
Speaker 2: of the work he was doing to better himself, Letitia
Speaker 2: really thought that his luck was turning around now. This
Speaker 2: opinion of her cousin would obviously change throughout the summer
Speaker 2: night of January fourth, two thousand and five, after she
Speaker 2: agreed to give Malcolm a ride into town. After Latitia
Speaker 2: agreed to give him a ride, she told him to
Speaker 2: wait a few minutes so that she could get her
Speaker 2: young kids into the house. Malcolm watched as she opened
Speaker 2: the door, and then he hopped in the passenger side
Speaker 2: of the station wagon and waited for her to come
Speaker 2: back outside. As she walked in the house, her two
Speaker 2: other children were already inside, and they were so happy
Speaker 2: to see their mom and wanted nothing but her attention.
Speaker 2: Letitia said that she needed to run to town for
Speaker 2: a bit and when she got back, she and her
Speaker 2: children would all go back to their house. She handed
Speaker 2: her infant baby off to her grandmother, and Malcolm was
Speaker 2: getting impatient with how long she was taking to come
Speaker 2: back outside, so he beat the horn a couple times to,
Speaker 2: you know, get her to hurry up. When she heard
Speaker 2: the horn, she quickly yelled that she had to run
Speaker 2: and she'd be back in a couple minutes now. Letitia
Speaker 2: loved her car. Even though the car was eleven years old,
Speaker 2: it was new to her and she loved driving her
Speaker 2: friends and family around. You ever have a car, your
Speaker 2: first car that you were to drive? My first car.
Speaker 1: It was such a piece of shit.
Speaker 2: What was it? Oh my god?
Speaker 1: Okay, so I started driving. It would have been like
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven, right, Yeah. It was a nineteen seventy
Speaker 1: eight Buick Regal nice was green. It was my dad's
Speaker 1: old car, and he used to say it was the
Speaker 1: color of money, right, you know, you know my dad, right, yes,
Speaker 1: So it was like, it's a players car, it's a
Speaker 1: play and it's a buick. Come on.
Speaker 2: I can already smell his cologne in the vehicle. But
Speaker 2: it was such a piece.
Speaker 1: In Like the windshield it wasn't sealed properly and I
Speaker 1: never got it fixed. So when it would rain, the
Speaker 1: water would come in, and then the seats were clothed
Speaker 1: and it would smell and it was just such.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was I would have to sit on garbage bags.
Speaker 1: And I met my husband when I had this car,
Speaker 1: and he had a light blue Ford Ltd.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember that car. Yes, I did,
Speaker 2: big giant boat.
Speaker 1: I remember when we walked. We used to work at
Speaker 1: Meyer together and that's how we met. And we walked
Speaker 1: out the party lot and I was like, that's your car,
Speaker 1: and then he saw mine and he's like he didn't
Speaker 1: say it this way, but he was like, how fucking
Speaker 1: with your car? Say something about my car?
Speaker 2: Oh? Dare you?
Speaker 3: I mean he didn't say by car pretty much, Yeah,
Speaker 3: the awkward silence and pauses implied, is my car where
Speaker 3: my questioning came from?
Speaker 2: You know, that's so funny, like her eleven year old car.
Speaker 2: I know, my first car was I got a license
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty six, so I drove my parents used car.
Speaker 2: They're nineteen seventy six money Carlow nice eight boat. Oh
Speaker 2: nice oo. I really liked that car. And then I
Speaker 2: got a nineteen eighty one Ford exp which was the
Speaker 2: sporty Escort Ford and it was used and it was
Speaker 2: kind of a piece of crap because sometimes and it
Speaker 2: was a stick. So I remember one time my battery
Speaker 2: died and this was when I found out that you
Speaker 2: could push start a car. I feel like I've lived
Speaker 2: through some history because I have had to run with
Speaker 2: my vehicle and then pop the clutch.
Speaker 1: So I don't know how to drive a stick.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh. They got to bring those back.
Speaker 1: May I never learned.
Speaker 2: You know, you just gotta drive everybody everywhere when you
Speaker 2: love your car, And that's what Letitia did. So after
Speaker 2: Malcolm's impatient beat, she jogged down the walkway admiring her car.
Speaker 2: Then she shot a small smile at Malcolm before getting
Speaker 2: into the driver's seat and starting her car, and as
Speaker 2: she was starting her car, she asked Malcolm where he
Speaker 2: wanted to go and he just responded with a board
Speaker 2: just going into town. And after he answered, Letitia put
Speaker 2: her car in reverse and drove toward the highway. Letitia
Speaker 2: Jane Nolan. She was born May twenty third, nineteen eighty,
Speaker 2: which makes her a Gemini cusp. I believe, yeah, so
Speaker 2: she's right on the first day or two of Gemini.
Speaker 2: To her parents, Mick Pete and Joan Nolan. Her parents'
Speaker 2: love and affection was nothing short of complete and utter
Speaker 2: adoration for Letitia as she grew into an intelligent and
Speaker 2: sparkling young girl. She grew up in the outback of
Speaker 2: New South Wales and her father always thought of his
Speaker 2: daughter as his little girl, so he was strict in
Speaker 2: the way that he raised her. Other family members remember
Speaker 2: her as being really funny and incredibly beautiful. Her aunt
Speaker 2: remarked that she could have easily been a model. Her father, Mick,
Speaker 2: eventually left Joan and Letitia to live near Bundenburg, located
Speaker 2: in Queensland, and after he left, Joan tried to remain
Speaker 2: close by speaking on the phone on a regular basis.
Speaker 2: Letitia and her mother became extremely close and her mother
Speaker 2: helped her raise her four children, Kaisha, Jaden, Erica, and
Speaker 2: infant Shakela. The children's father did not live with them
Speaker 2: in Dubo, and he was always away with work, but
Speaker 2: on the rare chance that he was in town, Joan
Speaker 2: would babysit the little one so that Letitia and her
Speaker 2: man could have some alone time. Just mom doing your
Speaker 2: grandma doing the grandma thing right. It's just real sweet.
Speaker 2: On the morning of her disappearance, Joan saw her daughter
Speaker 2: in town at a cafe, and Joan specifically noticed how
Speaker 2: happy and excited Letitia was about her future. She had
Speaker 2: just bought her Ford Falcon, and she was so excited
Speaker 2: to show it off to Joan when they saw each
Speaker 2: other in town that day. She had bought the car
Speaker 2: a few days earlier so that she could take her
Speaker 2: two older children, Erica and Kaysha, to school. After showing
Speaker 2: her car off, Letitia asked her mom for a few bucks.
Speaker 2: I love it. Look at my car? Can I get twenty?
Speaker 2: I do love that. Joan gave her what she had
Speaker 2: asked for, and the mother daughter duo made plans for
Speaker 2: the following day to meet at Letitia's house. Letitia told
Speaker 2: her mother that she needed to go over to her
Speaker 2: grandparents' house to pick up Kayisha and Erica, and she
Speaker 2: also said that nan Aka Flow said that she could
Speaker 2: leave the youngest with her for the night. While confirming
Speaker 2: the plans for the following morning, Latitia said that she
Speaker 2: would meet her mom at her house at ten thirty
Speaker 2: in the morning after she picked up Shakela back from
Speaker 2: Jack and FLOE's house. As the two were saying there goodbye,
Speaker 2: both Letitia and Joan were happy and smiling. Joan had
Speaker 2: no idea that that was the last time she would
Speaker 2: ever see her daughter. During the evening of January fourth,
Speaker 2: as Letitia was first pulling up the driveway of her
Speaker 2: grandparents' house, Kayisha and Erica had their toys packed up
Speaker 2: and ready to go. As they saw their mother's headlights
Speaker 2: pulling in closer to the house, both of them were
Speaker 2: so excited that their mom was finally coming to take
Speaker 2: them home. While waiting for her mom's arrival into the house, Kayisha,
Speaker 2: who had just finished her very first year of school,
Speaker 2: was practice her alphabet and as we mentioned earlier, Letitia
Speaker 2: came into the house to drop off the baby. She
Speaker 2: came back into the house, gave her a grandmother a kiss,
Speaker 2: smiled at her grandfather, and placed the baby into the basinette.
Speaker 2: Before Letitia left to drive Malcolm into town. She gave
Speaker 2: Jaden instructions to be a good boy and to sit
Speaker 2: on the couch as he waited for her to return
Speaker 2: again to take them home. After flo picked up the baby,
Speaker 2: she was trying to quiet her small cries as Letitia
Speaker 2: had a quick chat with her two older daughters. When
Speaker 2: Malcolm beat the horn, Letitia ran towards the door and
Speaker 2: asked Floe to watch the kids while she drove Malcolm
Speaker 2: into town for a bit. Latitiha's last words to her
Speaker 2: grandparents were back in a sec When the following morning
Speaker 2: came around, Joan drove to her daughter's house around ten
Speaker 2: thirty am, just like they agreed the date at the cafe.
Speaker 2: When Joan got to her house, she was not at
Speaker 2: all surprised that Letitia wasn't home yet, since she always
Speaker 2: had her hands full raising four small kids. Joan walked
Speaker 2: into the house and called out for Letitia. The TV
Speaker 2: was on pretty high from the corner of the family room,
Speaker 2: and all of the lights were on in the home.
Speaker 2: At first, Joan thought that her daughter had just gotten
Speaker 2: a little sidetracked after she picked up the little ones
Speaker 2: from Flows earlier that morning. After some further inspection of
Speaker 2: her daughter's home, Joan determined that her daughter hadn't been
Speaker 2: at the house at all throughout the previous night. Joan
Speaker 2: decided to call her mother, Flow and asked if Letitia
Speaker 2: was still at her house. Flow quickly told Joan that
Speaker 2: Letitia never came back after she gave Malcolm a ride
Speaker 2: into town earlier the previous night. Both Joan and Floe
Speaker 2: thought that since this was so unlike Letitia, she simply
Speaker 2: drove to go see her boyfriend and didn't call because
Speaker 2: it had gotten so late. Joan noticed that Latitia's purse
Speaker 2: and cigarettes were still at her home, so then she
Speaker 2: began to panic. Joan decided to drive into the town
Speaker 2: of Dubbo to see if she could possibly find her
Speaker 2: daughter that way. She knew that she could easily spot
Speaker 2: the dark blue forward, so as Joan hit the road,
Speaker 2: she began calling other family members to see if any
Speaker 2: of them had seen her recently. When Joan didn't see
Speaker 2: her daughter's car at any of the shops Latitia frequented
Speaker 2: Joan began to get the feeling that something serious had
Speaker 2: happened to her. She drove to the police station to
Speaker 2: report Letitia missing, but right before she got out of
Speaker 2: the car, she sensed that she was probably overreacting, so
Speaker 2: she opted to continue to call family members to see
Speaker 2: what they could possibly tell her about Letitia's whereabouts. When
Speaker 2: Latitia never came home, later that day, Joan drove back
Speaker 2: into the police station to report her daughter missing, even
Speaker 2: though not even twenty four hours had gone by, the
Speaker 2: police decided to send some officers out since she was
Speaker 2: a mother to four small kids Aunt Tanya. Honestly, the
Speaker 2: fucking twenty four hour rule? Why is that is that
Speaker 2: even around anymore? Should it be?
Speaker 1: It really shouldn't because they always say, I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it's just a murder investigations, but isn't
Speaker 1: like the first forty eight hours the most important? Like
Speaker 1: after a cry.
Speaker 2: Thank you, I was thinking the same thing, forty eight.
Speaker 1: Somebody has been kidnapped or disappears, or like, really, you're
Speaker 1: gonna sit on it for twenty four hours?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Take it seriously, Come on now.
Speaker 2: No, I don't even know if that's a rule. Still,
Speaker 2: I hope not. I hope not too. It's just when
Speaker 2: I see it or come across and I'm like, oh well,
Speaker 2: eye roll. Since the city of Dubo is the capital
Speaker 2: of New South Wales and the population is about forty thousand,
Speaker 2: the news of Latitia's disappearance spread like wildfire. As the
Speaker 2: police were on the lookout for her car, the rest
Speaker 2: of her family was searching the local areas looking for
Speaker 2: any signs of her. Oddly, when Joan reported her missing,
Speaker 2: the Ford was already in the patrol rucker for that day,
Speaker 2: so two detectives were sent to search the car to
Speaker 2: look for anything that could have told them where Letitia was.
Speaker 2: Earlier that day, a squad car pulled up behind the Ford,
Speaker 2: which was parked in the parking lot that was near
Speaker 2: the Maccarie River. Two officers stepped out, looked into the car,
Speaker 2: jotted the plate number down, and went on with their patrol.
Speaker 2: This specific location where the car was found was known
Speaker 2: to be a common site for stolen cars to be ditched,
Speaker 2: but since the car was in such good condition, the
Speaker 2: officers originally thought that the Ford had been parked there
Speaker 2: while the owners walked his or her dog along the river.
Speaker 2: Since that was extremely common as well. When the car
Speaker 2: was expected for a second time after Letitia had been
Speaker 2: reported missing, the first thing noted was that the car
Speaker 2: was parked really close to a footbridge. This would allow
Speaker 2: the driver to park the car and get to the
Speaker 2: other side of town without really being seen, especially if
Speaker 2: parked there at night. The officers inspected the parking lot
Speaker 2: and found nothing of use, but since this was a
Speaker 2: missing person's investigation, a forensic team was needed to take
Speaker 2: a closer look. Since Letitia had only gotten the car recently,
Speaker 2: there wasn't much evidence that anyone had even driven the car.
Speaker 2: When the forensic team reported that not a single fingerprint
Speaker 2: had been found, the police realized that the car was
Speaker 2: wiped completely clean after it had been parked there. The
Speaker 2: New South Wales Police decided to hand the case over
Speaker 2: to the homicide squad. The first people to interview were
Speaker 2: Jack and Flow, who told them that Letitia had stopped
Speaker 2: by to drop off the younger kids before saying that
Speaker 2: she was heading into town. Neither of them knew exactly
Speaker 2: where in town Latitia was headed. When Jack was asked
Speaker 2: who else lived in the house, Jack told the homicide
Speaker 2: detective that Malcolm sometimes lived there, but neither him nor
Speaker 2: Flow had seen him in a few days. A few
Speaker 2: months prior to Letitia disappearing, Malcolm had been connected to
Speaker 2: a rape of a fifteen year old girl in Dubo,
Speaker 2: but Malcolm had not been proven guilty and stayed out
Speaker 2: of trouble since nobody ever really knew where Malcolm was
Speaker 2: at any given time. Whenever he wasn't home, he was
Speaker 2: at work or chilling out in the woods. Now, after
Speaker 2: the Ford was found, the case went cold. Police dogs
Speaker 2: were sent out into the woods to pick up any
Speaker 2: type of scent, but nothing ever came of it. A
Speaker 2: few leads came in, but nothing ever came from them,
Speaker 2: and the only person that the police had yet to
Speaker 2: speak with was Malcolm, who nobody had seen or heard
Speaker 2: from since the disappearance. According to many of the records
Speaker 2: of missing person reports similar to Letitia's, quite often the
Speaker 2: police find that the missing person had been living some
Speaker 2: sort of double life, but nothing of the sort was
Speaker 2: found in Letitia's life or file. She worshiped her chill
Speaker 2: dren and she would never have let them to go
Speaker 2: on without her. Even though the case went cold, it
Speaker 2: was treated as suspicious and the case would pick back
Speaker 2: up again in only five months time. In the Australian
Speaker 2: winter month of June two thousand and five, Christie Skulls
Speaker 2: was staying at Jack and Flow's home while her kids
Speaker 2: were asleep in one of the back bedrooms. Christie's home
Speaker 2: was being painted and she didn't want her kids exposed
Speaker 2: to the potential fumes from the fresh paint. Christie's husband, Reg,
Speaker 2: was in Sydney studying for a few days along with
Speaker 2: Reg's grandparents, Jack and Flow, but they were in Sydney
Speaker 2: so that Jack could have an operation on his heart.
Speaker 2: Since Latitia had disappeared, she knew how much the Nolan
Speaker 2: family had been suffering since, and she really felt for
Speaker 2: them as an in law. Jack, who was up there
Speaker 2: in age, was suffering from some heart problems that seemed
Speaker 2: to only get worse after the disappearance in January. He
Speaker 2: needed to get an emergency triple bypass done on his heart,
Speaker 2: and he was rushed to Sydney in order to get
Speaker 2: that done. Since Jack's health had sunken lower than it
Speaker 2: already was, Flow had been dealing with a lot too,
Speaker 2: and Christy's heart broke to see them both in such
Speaker 2: a bad way. Mentally, and physically. While Christy was in
Speaker 2: the house just looking for some quiet time to watch TV.
Speaker 2: She was making a pot of tea when she was
Speaker 2: startled by a dark figure that was standing in the
Speaker 2: dark corner of her kitchen. She then looked a little
Speaker 2: closer and noticed that the figure was none other than
Speaker 2: her husband's cousin, Malcolm Naden. Christy greeted him and offered
Speaker 2: him a cup of hot tea while smiling at him
Speaker 2: she was making one for herself. He shrugged while nodding
Speaker 2: his nasty head, so Christy made him one. Christy at
Speaker 2: the time was staying at Jack and FLOE's house since
Speaker 2: their house neighboring to Jack and Floe, was being painted,
Speaker 2: so it wasn't as weird seeing Malcolm since she knew
Speaker 2: that he was staying with them. Nonetheless, Christy knew some
Speaker 2: of Malcolm's troubled past, and she was always a bit
Speaker 2: nervous around him because she always thought that something was
Speaker 2: a bit off about him. So Ever, since Latitia disappeared,
Speaker 2: Malcolm became even weirder and quieter than he already was. Jack,
Speaker 2: who had always defended Malcolm, was pissed at a lot
Speaker 2: of people in the community, because they suspected that he
Speaker 2: had something to do with Latitia's disappearance. The rest of
Speaker 2: the family told her that she shouldn't feel uneasy, but
Speaker 2: she felt a certain type of way regardless of what
Speaker 2: she was told, and for a damn good reason. Even
Speaker 2: though she and her family lived right next door, Christy
Speaker 2: rarely even spoke to Malcolm, and when they would go
Speaker 2: over to Jack and Flows to visit, Malcolm was always
Speaker 2: locked inside of his bedroom. On top of everything else,
Speaker 2: Regg had told Christy that on multiple occasions he had
Speaker 2: seen Malcolm climbing outside his own bedroom window. She was
Speaker 2: right in her feelings Malcolm was weird and extremely dangerous.
Speaker 2: She handed Malcolm a cup of tea and walked out
Speaker 2: into the living room to continue watching her late night
Speaker 2: TV shows, and when she looked back at Malcolm, she
Speaker 2: jumped out of her skin, not realizing that he had
Speaker 2: followed her out of the kitchen and across the living room.
Speaker 2: She tried to keep her composure as she asked him
Speaker 2: if he wanted to watch TV with her, and as
Speaker 2: he was standing over her, she felt really scared. Malcolm
Speaker 2: had been working at the local slaughterhouse and his job
Speaker 2: was to strip the flesh from carcasses. Oh lovely, yes,
Speaker 2: so I'm feeling I'm fucking sweating too, right, it's dark
Speaker 2: eye want his tea and now this weirdo is back
Speaker 2: at the house. So needless to say, he was strong,
Speaker 2: especially in his hands and arms. And as he was
Speaker 2: standing over Christy, Malcolm wrapped his hands around Christy's throat
Speaker 2: and he strangled her to death. And as he was
Speaker 2: she let out a yelp. As she was trying to scream.
Speaker 2: Her children were in the next room. So while everyone
Speaker 2: was away, I know that motherfucker. Yeah, you're killing the
Speaker 2: kid's mother, and it's just I don't want to hear it.
Speaker 2: While everyone was away in Sydney, Malcolm knew that he
Speaker 2: could just bring Christy's body into his bedroom. He laid
Speaker 2: her body right next to his bed, went back into
Speaker 2: the living room to grab Christie's cup of tea, which
Speaker 2: was still hot, poured it down the drain, and drank
Speaker 2: the cup that she had made for him. Not five
Speaker 2: minutes earlier, one of Christy's kids made some sound from
Speaker 2: the next room, so Malcolm made his way over to
Speaker 2: the bedroom, cracked the door open just enough to peer in,
Speaker 2: saw that one child was asleep in the smaller bed
Speaker 2: and the other was asleep in the crib located in
Speaker 2: the middle of the bedroom, and he went about his business.
Speaker 2: He went back into the kitchen to finish his tea,
Speaker 2: and then he went to the sink to wash both
Speaker 2: cups while making sure that he had wiped down the
Speaker 2: entire sin and kitchen chairs. Malcolm then went back to
Speaker 2: his bedroom and slid Christie's body all of the way
Speaker 2: underneath his bed. He placed bibles around her body, and
Speaker 2: he put pillows in front of his bed to better
Speaker 2: conceal the body. He knew that Christy would be home
Speaker 2: alone with the kids that night. The only reason he
Speaker 2: knew that was because he crept out of his bedroom
Speaker 2: window two nights prior to listen in on Reg and
Speaker 2: Christie's conversation. He heard Reg tell Christy that he was
Speaker 2: leaving to go to Sydney and he wouldn't be back
Speaker 2: until the weekend. He then heard that Christy and the
Speaker 2: kids would be staying at Jack and Flows while their
Speaker 2: house was being painted. On the night he murdered her,
Speaker 2: Malcolm crept onto the roof and peered into the house
Speaker 2: as he watched Christie feed and put her kids to
Speaker 2: bed for the night. He had been waiting for the
Speaker 2: moment to kill her, and he knew the right time
Speaker 2: to do it. When he knew that Christy was all alone,
Speaker 2: he creepily came out of his bedroom and made his
Speaker 2: way into the kitchen as she was making the tea.
Speaker 2: Malcolm had a plan for his next steps, and let
Speaker 2: me tell you, they're crazy. Once Christie's body right, yeah,
Speaker 2: heads up and be prepared. Once Christie's body was tucked
Speaker 2: away and concealed enough for his leiki, he made sure
Speaker 2: that his bedroom door was completely secure before he would
Speaker 2: make his escape. It was still early enough in the
Speaker 2: night and the neighbors were still out and about, so
Speaker 2: he looked out his bedroom window to make sure that
Speaker 2: nobody was watching him. He had already packed a bag
Speaker 2: hours earlier, so he slinked out of his bedroom window,
Speaker 2: bag in hand, and before he fled, he turned back
Speaker 2: to put a nail into the lock before he made
Speaker 2: his way to the front of the house. He was
Speaker 2: heading for the Western Plains Zoo. Now we'll go back
Speaker 2: to where we started with the little girl wandering around
Speaker 2: the front yard of Jack and FLOE's place on Saturday
Speaker 2: June twenty fifth, two thousand and five, a relative of
Speaker 2: Nolan's lived a few houses down. When the man Ian
Speaker 2: Walker looked out of his window, he saw his niece
Speaker 2: wandering aimlessly around the front yard. And even though this
Speaker 2: wasn't unusual, Christy had been seen with the children for
Speaker 2: a few days, and that was the most alarming thing.
Speaker 2: And since these children had been without their mama, the
Speaker 2: little girl, Libby, was looking a little rough. When Ian
Speaker 2: asked Libby where her mama was, Libby shrugged her shoulders.
Speaker 2: Ian then called into the house from the outside to
Speaker 2: see if Christy would come outside. With no sign of Christy,
Speaker 2: Ian tried to get into the house through the front door,
Speaker 2: but it was locked. Libby had slid open one of
Speaker 2: the windows in the living room to get outside, so
Speaker 2: when Ian saw that, he knew that he would be
Speaker 2: able to get in that way. Ian was respectful as
Speaker 2: he entered through the house, but still with no word
Speaker 2: from Christy. He wandered to where the children were sleeping
Speaker 2: and found the baby screaming his head off from his crib.
Speaker 2: Neither child had eaten since their mother last fed them,
Speaker 2: and since Christy had been murdered, the baby boy's diaper
Speaker 2: hadn't been changed. Ian looked through the entire house to
Speaker 2: search for Christy, and he had access to all of
Speaker 2: them except for one, Malcolm's locked room, which was doubling
Speaker 2: as Christie's temporary grave. Ian fed and washed up both
Speaker 2: of Christie's children, and when they were happy again, he
Speaker 2: began calling other people to see if they knew where
Speaker 2: Christy was. Everything had already felt so wrong to Ian,
Speaker 2: since her purse and cell phone were still in the house,
Speaker 2: and Christie's phone showed missed calls from Redge for the
Speaker 2: last couple of days. Ian called Redge and told him
Speaker 2: to come home right away. Even with an army of
Speaker 2: relatives looking for Christy, nobody could locate her, so the
Speaker 2: police were called. Since the house was locked up with
Speaker 2: what they thought nobody inside, the only thing that could
Speaker 2: be done at the time was file a missing person report.
Speaker 2: After the report came through, a search warrant was obtained
Speaker 2: to search the Bungalgumbie Road residence since there had already
Speaker 2: been a disappearance associated with the home. The house was
Speaker 2: searched on Sunday and there were no signs of anything amiss,
Speaker 2: but they walked up to Malcolm's locked bedroom door. An
Speaker 2: officer opened the door and the slight smell of decomposition
Speaker 2: smacked them right in the face. Once the detectives smelled that,
Speaker 2: they knew that they were looking for a corpse. When
Speaker 2: they removed the pillows from the front of the bed,
Speaker 2: they found Christy right where Malcolm had stashed her before
Speaker 2: running for the outback. The same homicide detectives who were
Speaker 2: handling Letitia's disappearance came back to Debo to handle Christy's
Speaker 2: murder investigation. The homicide detective went back to the house
Speaker 2: to scour Malcolm's room for anything that could give a
Speaker 2: meeting behind the murder. Malcolm's family members said that although
Speaker 2: he was withdrawn from society, he was harmless. Uh huh.
Speaker 2: Lease discovered many different copies of Bibles and highlighted sections
Speaker 2: out of wilderness crime and survival guide books. The detectives
Speaker 2: also found really disturbing sketches that he had drawn, and
Speaker 2: these told the detectives that he was a psychopath who
Speaker 2: was willing to kill again. Well I'm not sure what
Speaker 2: he drew, but that's quite an analysis from drawings. Yes,
Speaker 2: psychopath and willing to kill again, you know.
Speaker 1: It's some wild shit.
Speaker 2: Yes, probably some murder scenes. The details of these drawings
Speaker 2: have not been released. The detectives noticed that his windowsill
Speaker 2: had been worn out, since he often used that to
Speaker 2: leave and enter the house rather than the front door.
Speaker 2: Malcolm had also torn out a piece of ceiling and
Speaker 2: this was how he got into the roof that night
Speaker 2: to watch Christie. He watched his family through the vents
Speaker 2: of the house. What a creep this is so weird
Speaker 2: it is The police got a glimpse in a malcolm
Speaker 2: secret life as they searched his bedroom. News of the
Speaker 2: murdered twenty four year old mother had spread, just like
Speaker 2: the news of missing twenty four year old mother just
Speaker 2: months earlier. The police were under massive amounts of pressure
Speaker 2: and they needed to give the public some results sooner
Speaker 2: rather than later. This then set into motion the longest
Speaker 2: man hunt in Australian history. A picture of Malcolm was
Speaker 2: released to the public and a task force was put
Speaker 2: together with a combination of wilderness experts and veteran detectives. Originally,
Speaker 2: only a very specific areas were searched, since these were
Speaker 2: the initial places the investigators thought he would be hiding out.
Speaker 2: But when they still hadn't located Malcolm. Weeks later, they
Speaker 2: knew that they needed to widen their search exponentially. As
Speaker 2: the police were searching for him, calls were coming in
Speaker 2: with people saying that they had seen Malcolm and parts
Speaker 2: of New South Wales and specifically in the western Plains.
Speaker 2: Each time someone and said that they saw him, a
Speaker 2: search team went out to investigate the area, but nothing
Speaker 2: came up. After two months had gone by, a press
Speaker 2: conference was held was pleased to the public to help
Speaker 2: provide any information that could lead to his capture. In
Speaker 2: the meantime, Jack and Flow had come back from Sydney,
Speaker 2: but they were not made aware of Christie's murder and
Speaker 2: the man hunt for Malcolm until the police pressured the
Speaker 2: family to tell them the truth. After Jack and Flow
Speaker 2: were told what had happened, Flow's health took a turn
Speaker 2: for the worse and she was never well again. Jack
Speaker 2: blatantly refused to believe that his grandson had murdered his
Speaker 2: cousin's wife, even when presented with evidence to prove that
Speaker 2: he did. Jack eventually came to his own conclusion that
Speaker 2: Malcolm was murdered with Christy and that the police were
Speaker 2: actually chasing a completely different psychopath, wilderness crime and Bible
Speaker 2: expert in South Wales. Yeah, at least two. So. On
Speaker 2: the other hand, Latitia's father, who had not lost hope
Speaker 2: in finding her, had no doubt that Malcolm was responsible
Speaker 2: for everything that had happened so far. Letitia's father prayed
Speaker 2: that after the police caught Malcolm, he would come clean
Speaker 2: and tell where Letitia was. He made this heart shattering
Speaker 2: statement to a reporter quote, my heart stops every time
Speaker 2: the phone rings. I wake up during the night in
Speaker 2: a sweat, and I've been losing my hair from stress.
Speaker 2: Sometimes I sit at my computer until the sun comes up,
Speaker 2: thinking of things I could do to try and find her. Unquote.
Speaker 2: He made himself readily available to any media outlets who
Speaker 2: wanted to talk to him, but of course this never
Speaker 2: sat well with the Nolan family or the police. With
Speaker 2: each statement he made, the police were under more and
Speaker 2: more pressure. In December of two thousand and five began
Speaker 2: to come in as people were coming across the carcasses
Speaker 2: of kangaroos whose meat had been ripped off of them
Speaker 2: like they would have been at a slaughterhouse. I told it,
Speaker 2: it's a clue. This told investigators that since he worked
Speaker 2: at a slaughterhouse before, and ripping the meat from bones
Speaker 2: had been his job, he had to be the one
Speaker 2: doing this to the kangaroos. Since these remains had been
Speaker 2: found out in the wilderness of the outback, the search
Speaker 2: went on, but little did they know, Malcolm had made
Speaker 2: himself at home at the Western Plains Zoo, which is
Speaker 2: only an eight minute drive down the road from the
Speaker 2: Bungogumbee Road. Residence. Workers at the zoo had been finding
Speaker 2: clues that someone had been living on the roofs of
Speaker 2: cabins on the grounds, and that there was even more
Speaker 2: evidence that someone had been hunting on the grounds. On
Speaker 2: December twenty first, a staff member at the zoo spotted
Speaker 2: what looked like and in true and they called the police.
Speaker 2: Even with all this information, nobody had seen Malcolm, but
Speaker 2: the task force needed to search the zoo regardless for evidence.
Speaker 2: Later that day, the police were called to the scene
Speaker 2: to search the roof of one of the cabins, and
Speaker 2: after fingerprints came back as a positive ID for Malcolm,
Speaker 2: it was confirmed that he had been living there. And
Speaker 2: just as a side note, I looked up the cabins
Speaker 2: at the zoo and they are pretty luxurious visitors. You
Speaker 2: can pay to stay in the cabins that run adjacent
Speaker 2: to the zoo grounds, and the guests are free to
Speaker 2: come and go as they please under a reservation. And
Speaker 2: it looks really cool without Malcolm hiding on the roofs
Speaker 2: rightously fucking weirdo.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: The investigators told the staff and current guests that the
Speaker 2: zoo was going to be closed for the following day
Speaker 2: and reservations for the cabins for the following day were canceled.
Speaker 2: Of course, the guests were pissed and they spent the
Speaker 2: rest of the day at the zoo joking about a
Speaker 2: lion escaping. The same people found out after the media
Speaker 2: ran the story that Australia's most wanted human had been
Speaker 2: living there while they and their families were touring the
Speaker 2: zoo grounds. That would be unsettling, to say the little bit.
Speaker 2: The following day, the entire task force, which included men
Speaker 2: dressed in wilderness camel gear and helicopters, flooded the area
Speaker 2: where Malcolm was last known to be. This zoo is
Speaker 2: roughly seven hundred and forty one acres big and was
Speaker 2: once used as a World War two military base at
Speaker 2: the time, over a thousand animals inhabited the zoo, and
Speaker 2: these animals came from five different continents. Dogs were set
Speaker 2: out to see if they could catch a hint of
Speaker 2: a cent, but even after combing the entire premises, they
Speaker 2: came up empty. Again. Malcolm was gone. While Malcolm was
Speaker 2: literally ghosting everyone, Jack's health was getting worse and due
Speaker 2: to this, many of Malcolm's family members were making please
Speaker 2: online with him to come home. One relative named Jeanette
Speaker 2: Lancaster took to the website Missingperson register dot com and
Speaker 2: in her post, she said, quote, Malcolm, if you read
Speaker 2: this message or someone tells you about this message, the
Speaker 2: family needs to hear from you. Pop is very ill
Speaker 2: and he needs to know how you are and hear
Speaker 2: your side of the story. In regard to Christy, Pop
Speaker 2: won't get better until he knows what's going on. End quote.
Speaker 2: She went on to say that Flow had been literally
Speaker 2: worried sick, and that the family was pleading with him
Speaker 2: to come back home. Jeannette also mentioned how Malcolm's mother,
Speaker 2: along with everyone else, wanted him to turn himself over
Speaker 2: to the police. This was getting so out of hand
Speaker 2: eventually from all of the stress, and heartbreak Flow passed
Speaker 2: away and after that Jack never recovered which his father
Speaker 2: had gone into the same website and he updated it
Speaker 2: with every article written about her disappearance, and in a
Speaker 2: post he said, quote, I go on Google Earth and
Speaker 2: I look at the towns and areas where he's been
Speaker 2: sighted end quote, and ended with that he was desperate
Speaker 2: for answers on his daughter's whereabouts. The crazy thing about
Speaker 2: this entire case was how Malcolm managed to evade the
Speaker 2: police for seven years. At the time of his capture,
Speaker 2: there was a bounty on his head for two hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty thousand Australian dollars, which is two hundred and
Speaker 2: sixty US, and this was the biggest man hunt since
Speaker 2: the nineteenth century. While he was living in the zoo,
Speaker 2: he stole bananas from the elephants and he snuck into
Speaker 2: tortoise enclosures. Once inside, Malcolm ripped off their heads and
Speaker 2: he ate the meat that was in the turtles head
Speaker 2: and bodies. A staff member later said that Malcolm was
Speaker 2: seen running from the tortoise enclosure. While he was living
Speaker 2: on top of the cabin at the zoo. He would
Speaker 2: sneak down at night and use the on site grills
Speaker 2: that just needed a few coins to be fired out. Ok,
Speaker 2: this dude's got balls, he does. You know, he's just
Speaker 2: like grills. I'm gonna use the grills. That's the thought
Speaker 2: that came in his head. They know he's there. Like,
Speaker 2: why isn't there like patrol? Well, yeah, and I get
Speaker 2: it's two thousands. Sometimes you forget like two thousand and five.
Speaker 2: Back then, like two thousand. Now we have more heat
Speaker 2: seeking stuff, we have drones.
Speaker 1: Like, how come there weren't more policemen more presenting it? Right?
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, I don't know. Seven years, seven years in
Speaker 2: the wilderness this guy lived. Since Malcolm was out in
Speaker 2: the wilderness for so long, it was impossible for police
Speaker 2: dogs to find or pick up a cent. He broke
Speaker 2: into people's houses, and when the homeowners called the police,
Speaker 2: the fingerprints came back as matches. The prints he left
Speaker 2: behind were able to help guide the police to the
Speaker 2: town of Gloucester, but unfortunately, when the police came close,
Speaker 2: Malcolm used a stolen semi automatic gun to shoot the
Speaker 2: officer who came the closest to catching him. He was
Speaker 2: watching the officers through the scope on the rifle and
Speaker 2: when they got too close, he decided to pull the trigger.
Speaker 2: Officers came across a campsite and tried to raid, but
Speaker 2: the fugitive was ready for them, and luckily the officer
Speaker 2: who was shot survived after having a bullet blow clear
Speaker 2: through his shoulder. Before this raid and shooting, the bounty
Speaker 2: was at one hundred thousand Australian dollars and after this
Speaker 2: it was raised to the two hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 2: So by March of twenty twelve, the police had not
Speaker 2: given up, and they got smarter with their tactics. They
Speaker 2: were able to rig up concealed cameras that were able
Speaker 2: to track his position, and at midnight on March twenty second,
Speaker 2: twenty twelve, Malcolm was finally captured. And let me tell you,
Speaker 2: he looked like complete and utter shit. He was thirty
Speaker 2: eight at the time of his capture and by the
Speaker 2: looks of him, he hadn't had a shower, a shave,
Speaker 2: clean clothes for years, and fuck him, he didn't deserve it.
Speaker 2: On March twenty second, twenty thirteen, malcompleted guilty to the
Speaker 2: murders of both Letitia Nolan and Christy Skulls. While in custody,
Speaker 2: he told the detectives that without a doubt, he would
Speaker 2: definitely kill again. Along with that, he also pleaded guilty
Speaker 2: to the attempted murder of a police officer, breaking and entering,
Speaker 2: and for sexually assaulting the fifteen year old girl that
Speaker 2: was mentioned earlier in the episode. In total, he pleaded
Speaker 2: guilty to eighteen charges. Wow. The sad but not surprising
Speaker 2: thing about Malcolm was that he confessed by writing a
Speaker 2: twenty five page long letter, and in the letter he
Speaker 2: said some very disturbing things. He wrote about how he
Speaker 2: felt nothing for him victims. Quote I would like to
Speaker 2: say I feel something for the victims, but that would
Speaker 2: be a lie. End quote. He also made notes to
Speaker 2: the readers of his letters saying, quote, avoid violence, especially killing.
Speaker 2: You will never be the same again. End quote. He
Speaker 2: said that the murders were enlightening for him. He said
Speaker 2: that he knew how the victims felt and that something
Speaker 2: broke inside of him after murdering them. His reason behind
Speaker 2: the murders is completely baffling. He said that he killed
Speaker 2: Letitia due to her gossiping. Really, yes, so she's a
Speaker 2: gossip your cousin. This is say whatever you want, you know,
Speaker 2: there's nothing so apparently her gossiping, he went into a rage,
Speaker 2: and he was never someone who showed any sort of emotion,
Speaker 2: but when he murdered her, she didn't see it coming.
Speaker 2: After he murdered her, Letitia, he said that he just
Speaker 2: sat and looked at her body for a long time.
Speaker 2: Quote I have never seen a body so relaxed. She
Speaker 2: crossed from life to death in an instant. Life shone
Speaker 2: through her trusting eyes, and now nothing, She was just
Speaker 2: gone en quote Sadly. He said that he woke up
Speaker 2: the following morning and heard Letitia's kids playing as if
Speaker 2: nothing had happened. Later in the confession, Malcolm spoke about
Speaker 2: how he broke Letitia's back and then went into detail
Speaker 2: about cutting her body into pieces. Her body has never
Speaker 2: been found. This letter was made public so everyone in
Speaker 2: her family heard it, including her father. While talking about
Speaker 2: Christie's death, he showed some serious heartlessness. He wrote about
Speaker 2: treating her quote like a life size dollote. He said
Speaker 2: that he killed her for no reason whatsoever. His family
Speaker 2: members have stated that they cannot and will not ever
Speaker 2: forgive Malcolm for what he did, and while in prison,
Speaker 2: Malcolm's second cousin even took it upon himself to beat
Speaker 2: him bloody since he was incarcerated inside the same prison.
Speaker 2: I thank you, cousin. Dean Nolan used the handle of
Speaker 2: a sandwich toaster to bash him in the prison courtyard
Speaker 2: at Goldburn's Correctional Facility. After all the terrible things that
Speaker 2: he put the victims and their families and the community
Speaker 2: and the police through, Malcolm Nayden is now serving life
Speaker 2: in prison without the possibility of parole. Wow. So that
Speaker 2: is some violence in Australia. Yeah, like the senselessness of murders.
Speaker 1: It's just I don't know. Yeah, We've talked about it
Speaker 1: a few times where it's just it's just sad because
Speaker 1: I wonder what went wrong like in his life that
Speaker 1: made him that way, you know, like didn't you go wrong?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: You know the whole nature nurture thing, Like was he
Speaker 1: just born like that? Like okay, it sounded like he
Speaker 1: was a massive weirdo.
Speaker 2: Yeah right, So I don't know. That's just really sad.
Speaker 1: Feel bad for that family, her kids, Laiah, my.
Speaker 2: Goodness, I guess her.
Speaker 1: Children, her you know, their children, and it's just really
Speaker 1: really sad.
Speaker 2: You know, it's frustrating when like the great grandfather, the
Speaker 2: grandfather Jack. You're you're presented. You don't have to like
Speaker 2: the facts that you're being presented, but you have to
Speaker 2: be in this plane of existence to accept them. So
Speaker 2: we can you know, Oh, I don't believe he killed
Speaker 2: that girl then, yeah, because then you'd have to believe
Speaker 2: he killed your granddaughter too, right, you know, And I
Speaker 2: think we know, I think we know how kids are,
Speaker 2: especially your own kids, you know, like Grandpa didn't know
Speaker 2: he was a weirdo, thank you and just always having
Speaker 2: us back. I don't believe that, and to me, that's toxic.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I don't know why people can't be honest with themselves, like, okay,
Speaker 1: fucking weird and yeah, while I didn't think he could
Speaker 1: kill somebody, he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah. They don't want to be honest because they're monsters,
Speaker 2: and then they have to base their mom sternness.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Oh but yes, that is the story. Back to turn
Speaker 2: to the century. Winters in New Southwest Australia.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, winters are are summers.
Speaker 2: Because I know what I was like, that's right, the
Speaker 2: equator flippy thing.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine celebrating Christmas in the summer, but me either,
Speaker 1: It would be crazy but well, thank you, Shanna, my pleasure,
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