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<v Speaker 1>This episode MA contained content of a graphic nature, including

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, I'm Shannon. Hi I'm Tanya, and we are Crimes

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<v Speaker 2>and Consequences, a hardcore true crime podcast. Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you. I'm doing pretty good. How are you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm doing quite well. I'm caught up on sleep and yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>oh I didn't tell you, but I did switch. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>kind of switching out my style and of course I

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<v Speaker 2>would love to be in a lavender marriage for my

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<v Speaker 2>husband's style guidance, you know, which I have none. But

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<v Speaker 2>in the interim, so like I said, I've been up

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<v Speaker 2>and fluctuating with my weight. Gotta make a decision. Am

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<v Speaker 2>I going out the rest of the way pleasantly plump?

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<v Speaker 2>Or am I gonna get my shit together? Come on,

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five double nickels. Let's quit fucking around, Shannon.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So, while I'm deciding, I had found these swing

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<v Speaker 2>dresses like just these a line, simple cut, simple material

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<v Speaker 2>on Amazon. I love wearing a dress every day. This

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<v Speaker 2>is so nice. Now it is one of the excises,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm okay with it. Guess what, I got great hair,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm gonna pick that for now. Girl.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been coasting on my hair for years.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh girl, it's so good to have some good hair

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<v Speaker 2>like not. Don you know in my youth I was bleach,

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<v Speaker 2>black bleach, red bleach. So it does kind of shorten

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<v Speaker 2>up any kind of growing time for your hair if

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<v Speaker 2>you're always in a damaged state. And now that I

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<v Speaker 2>haven't done it in three years, I'm all like, I

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<v Speaker 2>felt like you when we went to a Planet fitness.

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<v Speaker 2>You had that fucking lion's mane when you woke up.

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<v Speaker 2>My god, oh my god, you guys. Tanya has the

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<v Speaker 2>best hair, and she had really thick, long hair. And

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<v Speaker 2>when we were in our thirties and we'd go to

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<v Speaker 2>the gym and we'd sign in and the guy would

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<v Speaker 2>be like, he whispered to her nice hair, and she's all.

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<v Speaker 1>Like thanks, Like I had rolled out of bed. I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't put it up in a ponytail because it looked good, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it's so bad toussled and thick, and so when he

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<v Speaker 1>said something to me, I was like, invalidated the whole boy, if.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't put it in a ponytail, that's right. I

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<v Speaker 2>left my scrunchy at home this morning. About you, how

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<v Speaker 2>are you doing?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm doing pretty good. Just working, you know, working, working, getting.

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<v Speaker 2>Through the summer, these last couple of weeks before the

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<v Speaker 2>kids go back to school. Yeah, September's here, Labor Day,

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<v Speaker 2>all the good stuff. Put the white shoes away, I

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<v Speaker 2>got my checklist, I got my checklist of things to do.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wear white after Labor Day. But yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just same old, same old. Yeah, just chugging along.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess I'm just tired. I'm fucking tired all the time.

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<v Speaker 1>But oh girl, yes, I was thinking like maybe I

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<v Speaker 1>need to take vitamins. I don't know, maybe I need

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<v Speaker 1>like a vitamin task. Am I be twelve deficient?

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<v Speaker 2>Or right?

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<v Speaker 1>Am? I'm so tired?

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<v Speaker 2>But how should I use magnesium? Yeah? I curt all

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<v Speaker 2>the hubbub, But am I using it to relax or

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<v Speaker 2>to energize? You know?

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<v Speaker 1>Like, I don't know what the fuck I'm doing. That's

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<v Speaker 1>why I don't take vitamins. I don't know. Maybe I should, honestly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll see, we'll see. How Yeah, which, I got

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<v Speaker 2>a great store and it's out of Australia. Back at

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<v Speaker 2>the turn of the century, and I mean the two thousands.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to nine hundred.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's right. But yeah, this is this is a

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<v Speaker 2>very good story. I of course few of us have

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<v Speaker 2>heard of it. It's because I know I haven't. It

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<v Speaker 2>was in Australia, Like I said, New South Wales, back

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<v Speaker 2>at the turn of the century, two thousand and five.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd like to invite everybody to go ahead and hit

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<v Speaker 2>the stories that we bring every week from all over

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<v Speaker 2>the world. And I'm going to tell you this story

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<v Speaker 2>starts on Wednesday, June twenty second, two thousand and five,

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<v Speaker 2>in New South Wales, Australia, in the city of Double

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<v Speaker 2>people noticed a little girl wandering outside in the front

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<v Speaker 2>yard of a house located at two one five bungle

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<v Speaker 2>Gumby Road. Fun name Bungle Gumby Buncle Gummy. The people

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<v Speaker 2>who found her didn't really look for the girl's mother

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<v Speaker 2>at the time, and her mother wasn't located until the

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<v Speaker 2>following day. Now, her mother, Christy Scoles, had been broodingly

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<v Speaker 2>murdered earlier that same year, in January, a woman named

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<v Speaker 2>Letitia Nolan had gone missing, and after finding Christie Scoles,

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<v Speaker 2>the police constables had one common denominator between the murderer

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<v Speaker 2>and the missing person, Malcolm John Naden mm HM. On

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<v Speaker 2>the night that Letitia Nolan went missing, she was driving

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<v Speaker 2>her nineteen ninety six dark blue Ford Falcon station Wagon.

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<v Speaker 2>She had her kids in toe and she was dropping

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<v Speaker 2>off the kids off at two one five Bungo Gumby

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<v Speaker 2>Road so that they could spend time with their great

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<v Speaker 2>grandparents Jack and Flow. And as she was walking up

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<v Speaker 2>to the path to the house, her cousin, Malcolm creepily

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<v Speaker 2>stepped out of the darkness and asked her if she

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<v Speaker 2>could give him him a ride into town. Originally, she

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<v Speaker 2>was frightened by the dark figure that approached her, but

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<v Speaker 2>then she recognized it was her cousin, she felt at ease.

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<v Speaker 2>She had known Malcolm throughout her whole life, and she

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<v Speaker 2>knew about previous troubles that he had had gone through. Regardless,

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<v Speaker 2>Letitia still liked him and the two had always gotten along.

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<v Speaker 2>She was raised by her mother, who wasn't too strict,

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<v Speaker 2>but on the other hand, Malcolm's father, Richard, was known

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<v Speaker 2>to be extremely strict, so given this, Letitia always felt

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<v Speaker 2>bad for him for how hard Richard always was on

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<v Speaker 2>Malcolm up to this point. Richard's favorite child was Malcolm's

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<v Speaker 2>older brother, Jason. Jason and Richard were very similar in personalities,

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<v Speaker 2>so Letitia always thought that Malcolm really missed out on

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<v Speaker 2>a potential relationship with his father. Due to this, Malcolm's

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<v Speaker 2>father eventually threw him out of the house, so he

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<v Speaker 2>had no choice but to move in with Jack and Flo.

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<v Speaker 2>Latitia thought that nothing but good would come from this

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<v Speaker 2>from moving in with his grandparents. Since the move, Letitia

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<v Speaker 2>really got used to seeing him at the house when

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<v Speaker 2>she would drop by for visits, and sometimes Malcolm would

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<v Speaker 2>drop by Letitia's house to do odd jobs around her

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<v Speaker 2>house and mower lawn stuff like that. Due to all

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<v Speaker 2>of the work he was doing to better himself, Letitia

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<v Speaker 2>really thought that his luck was turning around now. This

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<v Speaker 2>opinion of her cousin would obviously change throughout the summer

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<v Speaker 2>night of January fourth, two thousand and five, after she

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<v Speaker 2>agreed to give Malcolm a ride into town. After Latitia

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<v Speaker 2>agreed to give him a ride, she told him to

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<v Speaker 2>wait a few minutes so that she could get her

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<v Speaker 2>young kids into the house. Malcolm watched as she opened

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<v Speaker 2>the door, and then he hopped in the passenger side

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<v Speaker 2>of the station wagon and waited for her to come

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<v Speaker 2>back outside. As she walked in the house, her two

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<v Speaker 2>other children were already inside, and they were so happy

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<v Speaker 2>to see their mom and wanted nothing but her attention.

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<v Speaker 2>Letitia said that she needed to run to town for

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<v Speaker 2>a bit and when she got back, she and her

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<v Speaker 2>children would all go back to their house. She handed

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<v Speaker 2>getting impatient with how long she was taking to come

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<v Speaker 2>back outside, so he beat the horn a couple times to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, get her to hurry up. When she heard

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<v Speaker 2>the horn, she quickly yelled that she had to run

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<v Speaker 2>and she'd be back in a couple minutes now. Letitia

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<v Speaker 2>loved her car. Even though the car was eleven years old,

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<v Speaker 2>it was new to her and she loved driving her

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<v Speaker 2>friends and family around. You ever have a car, your

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<v Speaker 2>first car that you were to drive? My first car.

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<v Speaker 1>It was such a piece of shit.

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<v Speaker 2>What was it? Oh my god?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I started driving. It would have been like

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen eighty seven, right, Yeah. It was a nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 1>eight Buick Regal nice was green. It was my dad's

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<v Speaker 1>old car, and he used to say it was the

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<v Speaker 1>color of money, right, you know, you know my dad, right, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>So it was like, it's a players car, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>play and it's a buick. Come on.

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<v Speaker 2>I can already smell his cologne in the vehicle. But

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<v Speaker 2>it was such a piece.

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<v Speaker 1>In Like the windshield it wasn't sealed properly and I

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<v Speaker 1>never got it fixed. So when it would rain, the

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<v Speaker 1>water would come in, and then the seats were clothed

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<v Speaker 1>and it would smell and it was just such.

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<v Speaker 2>It was.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was I would have to sit on garbage bags.

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<v Speaker 1>And I met my husband when I had this car,

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<v Speaker 1>and he had a light blue Ford Ltd.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you remember that car. Yes, I did,

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<v Speaker 2>big giant boat.

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<v Speaker 1>I remember when we walked. We used to work at

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<v Speaker 1>Meyer together and that's how we met. And we walked

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<v Speaker 1>out the party lot and I was like, that's your car,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he saw mine and he's like he didn't

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<v Speaker 1>say it this way, but he was like, how fucking

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<v Speaker 1>with your car? Say something about my car?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh? Dare you?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean he didn't say by car pretty much, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>the awkward silence and pauses implied, is my car where

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<v Speaker 3>my questioning came from?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, that's so funny, like her eleven year old car.

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<v Speaker 2>I know, my first car was I got a license

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen eighty six, so I drove my parents used car.

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<v Speaker 2>They're nineteen seventy six money Carlow nice eight boat. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>nice oo. I really liked that car. And then I

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<v Speaker 2>got a nineteen eighty one Ford exp which was the

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<v Speaker 2>sporty Escort Ford and it was used and it was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of a piece of crap because sometimes and it

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<v Speaker 2>was a stick. So I remember one time my battery

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<v Speaker 2>died and this was when I found out that you

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<v Speaker 2>could push start a car. I feel like I've lived

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<v Speaker 2>through some history because I have had to run with

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<v Speaker 2>my vehicle and then pop the clutch.

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<v Speaker 1>So I don't know how to drive a stick.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. They got to bring those back.

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<v Speaker 1>May I never learned.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you just gotta drive everybody everywhere when you

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<v Speaker 2>love your car, And that's what Letitia did. So after

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<v Speaker 2>Malcolm's impatient beat, she jogged down the walkway admiring her car.

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<v Speaker 2>Then she shot a small smile at Malcolm before getting

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<v Speaker 2>into the driver's seat and starting her car, and as

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<v Speaker 2>she was starting her car, she asked Malcolm where he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to go and he just responded with a board

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<v Speaker 2>just going into town. And after he answered, Letitia put

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<v Speaker 2>her car in reverse and drove toward the highway. Letitia

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<v Speaker 2>Jane Nolan. She was born May twenty third, nineteen eighty,

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<v Speaker 2>which makes her a Gemini cusp. I believe, yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>she's right on the first day or two of Gemini.

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<v Speaker 2>To her parents, Mick Pete and Joan Nolan. Her parents'

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<v Speaker 2>love and affection was nothing short of complete and utter

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<v Speaker 2>adoration for Letitia as she grew into an intelligent and

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<v Speaker 2>sparkling young girl. She grew up in the outback of

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales and her father always thought of his

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<v Speaker 2>close by speaking on the phone on a regular basis.

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<v Speaker 2>Letitia and her mother became extremely close and her mother

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<v Speaker 2>helped her raise her four children, Kaisha, Jaden, Erica, and

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<v Speaker 2>on the rare chance that he was in town, Joan

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<v Speaker 2>would babysit the little one so that Letitia and her

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<v Speaker 2>man could have some alone time. Just mom doing your

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<v Speaker 2>On the morning of her disappearance, Joan saw her daughter

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<v Speaker 2>two older children, Erica and Kaysha, to school. After showing

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<v Speaker 2>her car off, Letitia asked her mom for a few bucks.

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<v Speaker 2>I do love that. Joan gave her what she had

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<v Speaker 2>the following day to meet at Letitia's house. Letitia told

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<v Speaker 2>the plans for the following morning, Latitia said that she

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<v Speaker 2>Jack and FLOE's house. As the two were saying there goodbye,

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<v Speaker 2>both Letitia and Joan were happy and smiling. Joan had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea that that was the last time she would

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<v Speaker 2>ever see her daughter. During the evening of January fourth,

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<v Speaker 2>as Letitia was first pulling up the driveway of her

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<v Speaker 2>and ready to go. As they saw their mother's headlights

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<v Speaker 2>pulling in closer to the house, both of them were

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<v Speaker 2>so excited that their mom was finally coming to take

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<v Speaker 2>them home. While waiting for her mom's arrival into the house, Kayisha,

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<v Speaker 2>who had just finished her very first year of school,

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<v Speaker 2>was practice her alphabet and as we mentioned earlier, Letitia

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<v Speaker 2>came into the house to drop off the baby. She

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<v Speaker 2>came back into the house, gave her a grandmother a kiss,

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<v Speaker 2>smiled at her grandfather, and placed the baby into the basinette.

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<v Speaker 2>Before Letitia left to drive Malcolm into town. She gave

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<v Speaker 2>on the couch as he waited for her to return

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<v Speaker 2>again to take them home. After flo picked up the baby,

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<v Speaker 2>she was trying to quiet her small cries as Letitia

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<v Speaker 2>had a quick chat with her two older daughters. When

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<v Speaker 2>asked Floe to watch the kids while she drove Malcolm

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<v Speaker 2>into town for a bit. Latitiha's last words to her

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<v Speaker 2>grandparents were back in a sec When the following morning

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<v Speaker 2>came around, Joan drove to her daughter's house around ten

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<v Speaker 2>thirty am, just like they agreed the date at the cafe.

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<v Speaker 2>When Joan got to her house, she was not at

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<v Speaker 2>all surprised that Letitia wasn't home yet, since she always

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<v Speaker 2>had her hands full raising four small kids. Joan walked

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<v Speaker 2>into the house and called out for Letitia. The TV

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<v Speaker 2>and all of the lights were on in the home.

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<v Speaker 2>At first, Joan thought that her daughter had just gotten

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<v Speaker 2>a little sidetracked after she picked up the little ones

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<v Speaker 2>from Flows earlier that morning. After some further inspection of

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<v Speaker 2>her daughter's home, Joan determined that her daughter hadn't been

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<v Speaker 2>at the house at all throughout the previous night. Joan

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<v Speaker 2>decided to call her mother, Flow and asked if Letitia

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<v Speaker 2>was still at her house. Flow quickly told Joan that

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<v Speaker 2>Letitia never came back after she gave Malcolm a ride

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<v Speaker 2>into town earlier the previous night. Both Joan and Floe

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<v Speaker 2>thought that since this was so unlike Letitia, she simply

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<v Speaker 2>drove to go see her boyfriend and didn't call because

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<v Speaker 2>it had gotten so late. Joan noticed that Latitia's purse

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<v Speaker 2>and cigarettes were still at her home, so then she

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<v Speaker 2>began to panic. Joan decided to drive into the town

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<v Speaker 2>of Dubbo to see if she could possibly find her

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<v Speaker 2>daughter that way. She knew that she could easily spot

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<v Speaker 2>the dark blue forward, so as Joan hit the road,

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<v Speaker 2>she began calling other family members to see if any

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<v Speaker 2>of them had seen her recently. When Joan didn't see

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<v Speaker 2>her daughter's car at any of the shops Latitia frequented

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<v Speaker 2>Joan began to get the feeling that something serious had

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<v Speaker 2>happened to her. She drove to the police station to

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<v Speaker 2>report Letitia missing, but right before she got out of

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<v Speaker 2>the car, she sensed that she was probably overreacting, so

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<v Speaker 2>she opted to continue to call family members to see

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<v Speaker 2>what they could possibly tell her about Letitia's whereabouts. When

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<v Speaker 2>Latitia never came home, later that day, Joan drove back

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<v Speaker 2>into the police station to report her daughter missing, even

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<v Speaker 2>though not even twenty four hours had gone by, the

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<v Speaker 2>police decided to send some officers out since she was

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<v Speaker 2>a mother to four small kids Aunt Tanya. Honestly, the

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<v Speaker 2>fucking twenty four hour rule? Why is that is that

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<v Speaker 2>even around anymore? Should it be?

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<v Speaker 1>It really shouldn't because they always say, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know if it's just a murder investigations, but isn't

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<v Speaker 1>like the first forty eight hours the most important? Like

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<v Speaker 1>after a cry.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, I was thinking the same thing, forty eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Somebody has been kidnapped or disappears, or like, really, you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna sit on it for twenty four hours?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Take it seriously, Come on now.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't even know if that's a rule. Still,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope not. I hope not too. It's just when

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<v Speaker 2>I see it or come across and I'm like, oh well,

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<v Speaker 2>eye roll. Since the city of Dubo is the capital

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<v Speaker 2>of New South Wales and the population is about forty thousand,

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<v Speaker 2>the news of Latitia's disappearance spread like wildfire. As the

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<v Speaker 2>police were on the lookout for her car, the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of her family was searching the local areas looking for

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<v Speaker 2>any signs of her. Oddly, when Joan reported her missing,

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<v Speaker 2>the Ford was already in the patrol rucker for that day,

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<v Speaker 2>so two detectives were sent to search the car to

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<v Speaker 2>look for anything that could have told them where Letitia was.

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<v Speaker 2>Earlier that day, a squad car pulled up behind the Ford,

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<v Speaker 2>which was parked in the parking lot that was near

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<v Speaker 2>the Maccarie River. Two officers stepped out, looked into the car,

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<v Speaker 2>jotted the plate number down, and went on with their patrol.

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<v Speaker 2>This specific location where the car was found was known

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<v Speaker 2>to be a common site for stolen cars to be ditched,

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<v Speaker 2>but since the car was in such good condition, the

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<v Speaker 2>officers originally thought that the Ford had been parked there

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<v Speaker 2>while the owners walked his or her dog along the river.

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<v Speaker 2>Since that was extremely common as well. When the car

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<v Speaker 2>was expected for a second time after Letitia had been

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<v Speaker 2>reported missing, the first thing noted was that the car

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<v Speaker 2>was parked really close to a footbridge. This would allow

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<v Speaker 2>the driver to park the car and get to the

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<v Speaker 2>other side of town without really being seen, especially if

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<v Speaker 2>parked there at night. The officers inspected the parking lot

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<v Speaker 2>and found nothing of use, but since this was a

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<v Speaker 2>missing person's investigation, a forensic team was needed to take

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<v Speaker 2>a closer look. Since Letitia had only gotten the car recently,

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<v Speaker 2>there wasn't much evidence that anyone had even driven the car.

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<v Speaker 2>When the forensic team reported that not a single fingerprint

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<v Speaker 2>had been found, the police realized that the car was

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<v Speaker 2>wiped completely clean after it had been parked there. The

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<v Speaker 2>New South Wales Police decided to hand the case over

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<v Speaker 2>to the homicide squad. The first people to interview were

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<v Speaker 2>Jack and Flow, who told them that Letitia had stopped

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<v Speaker 2>by to drop off the younger kids before saying that

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<v Speaker 2>she was heading into town. Neither of them knew exactly

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<v Speaker 2>where in town Latitia was headed. When Jack was asked

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<v Speaker 2>who else lived in the house, Jack told the homicide

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<v Speaker 2>detective that Malcolm sometimes lived there, but neither him nor

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<v Speaker 2>Flow had seen him in a few days. A few

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<v Speaker 2>months prior to Letitia disappearing, Malcolm had been connected to

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<v Speaker 2>a rape of a fifteen year old girl in Dubo,

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<v Speaker 2>but Malcolm had not been proven guilty and stayed out

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<v Speaker 2>of trouble since nobody ever really knew where Malcolm was

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<v Speaker 2>at any given time. Whenever he wasn't home, he was

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<v Speaker 2>at work or chilling out in the woods. Now, after

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<v Speaker 2>the Ford was found, the case went cold. Police dogs

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<v Speaker 2>were sent out into the woods to pick up any

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<v Speaker 2>type of scent, but nothing ever came of it. A

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<v Speaker 2>few leads came in, but nothing ever came from them,

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<v Speaker 2>and the only person that the police had yet to

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<v Speaker 2>speak with was Malcolm, who nobody had seen or heard

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<v Speaker 2>from since the disappearance. According to many of the records

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<v Speaker 2>of missing person reports similar to Letitia's, quite often the

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<v Speaker 2>police find that the missing person had been living some

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<v Speaker 2>sort of double life, but nothing of the sort was

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<v Speaker 2>found in Letitia's life or file. She worshiped her chill

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<v Speaker 2>dren and she would never have let them to go

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<v Speaker 2>on without her. Even though the case went cold, it

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<v Speaker 2>was treated as suspicious and the case would pick back

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<v Speaker 2>up again in only five months time. In the Australian

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<v Speaker 2>winter month of June two thousand and five, Christie Skulls

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<v Speaker 2>was staying at Jack and Flow's home while her kids

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<v Speaker 2>were asleep in one of the back bedrooms. Christie's home

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<v Speaker 2>was being painted and she didn't want her kids exposed

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<v Speaker 2>to the potential fumes from the fresh paint. Christie's husband, Reg,

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<v Speaker 2>was in Sydney studying for a few days along with

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<v Speaker 2>Reg's grandparents, Jack and Flow, but they were in Sydney

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<v Speaker 2>so that Jack could have an operation on his heart.

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<v Speaker 2>Since Latitia had disappeared, she knew how much the Nolan

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<v Speaker 2>family had been suffering since, and she really felt for

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<v Speaker 2>them as an in law. Jack, who was up there

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<v Speaker 2>in age, was suffering from some heart problems that seemed

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<v Speaker 2>to only get worse after the disappearance in January. He

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<v Speaker 2>needed to get an emergency triple bypass done on his heart,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was rushed to Sydney in order to get

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<v Speaker 2>that done. Since Jack's health had sunken lower than it

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<v Speaker 2>already was, Flow had been dealing with a lot too,

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<v Speaker 2>and Christy's heart broke to see them both in such

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<v Speaker 2>a bad way. Mentally, and physically. While Christy was in

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<v Speaker 2>the house just looking for some quiet time to watch TV.

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<v Speaker 2>She was making a pot of tea when she was

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<v Speaker 2>startled by a dark figure that was standing in the

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<v Speaker 2>dark corner of her kitchen. She then looked a little

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<v Speaker 2>closer and noticed that the figure was none other than

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<v Speaker 2>her husband's cousin, Malcolm Naden. Christy greeted him and offered

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<v Speaker 2>him a cup of hot tea while smiling at him

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<v Speaker 2>she was making one for herself. He shrugged while nodding

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<v Speaker 2>his nasty head, so Christy made him one. Christy at

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<v Speaker 2>the time was staying at Jack and FLOE's house since

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<v Speaker 2>their house neighboring to Jack and Floe, was being painted,

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<v Speaker 2>so it wasn't as weird seeing Malcolm since she knew

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<v Speaker 2>that he was staying with them. Nonetheless, Christy knew some

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<v Speaker 2>of Malcolm's troubled past, and she was always a bit

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<v Speaker 2>nervous around him because she always thought that something was

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00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:13.440
<v Speaker 2>a bit off about him. So Ever, since Latitia disappeared,

418
00:24:13.599 --> 00:24:18.880
<v Speaker 2>Malcolm became even weirder and quieter than he already was. Jack,

419
00:24:19.000 --> 00:24:22.359
<v Speaker 2>who had always defended Malcolm, was pissed at a lot

420
00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:25.799
<v Speaker 2>of people in the community, because they suspected that he

421
00:24:26.039 --> 00:24:29.839
<v Speaker 2>had something to do with Latitia's disappearance. The rest of

422
00:24:29.880 --> 00:24:33.240
<v Speaker 2>the family told her that she shouldn't feel uneasy, but

423
00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:36.200
<v Speaker 2>she felt a certain type of way regardless of what

424
00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:39.680
<v Speaker 2>she was told, and for a damn good reason. Even

425
00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:43.000
<v Speaker 2>though she and her family lived right next door, Christy

426
00:24:43.359 --> 00:24:46.359
<v Speaker 2>rarely even spoke to Malcolm, and when they would go

427
00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:49.680
<v Speaker 2>over to Jack and Flows to visit, Malcolm was always

428
00:24:49.759 --> 00:24:53.119
<v Speaker 2>locked inside of his bedroom. On top of everything else,

429
00:24:53.480 --> 00:24:56.880
<v Speaker 2>Regg had told Christy that on multiple occasions he had

430
00:24:56.920 --> 00:25:00.880
<v Speaker 2>seen Malcolm climbing outside his own bedroom window. She was

431
00:25:00.960 --> 00:25:05.640
<v Speaker 2>right in her feelings Malcolm was weird and extremely dangerous.

432
00:25:06.119 --> 00:25:08.799
<v Speaker 2>She handed Malcolm a cup of tea and walked out

433
00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:12.079
<v Speaker 2>into the living room to continue watching her late night

434
00:25:12.119 --> 00:25:15.200
<v Speaker 2>TV shows, and when she looked back at Malcolm, she

435
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.359
<v Speaker 2>jumped out of her skin, not realizing that he had

436
00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:21.559
<v Speaker 2>followed her out of the kitchen and across the living room.

437
00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:24.519
<v Speaker 2>She tried to keep her composure as she asked him

438
00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:27.440
<v Speaker 2>if he wanted to watch TV with her, and as

439
00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:31.079
<v Speaker 2>he was standing over her, she felt really scared. Malcolm

440
00:25:31.079 --> 00:25:34.400
<v Speaker 2>had been working at the local slaughterhouse and his job

441
00:25:34.559 --> 00:25:38.319
<v Speaker 2>was to strip the flesh from carcasses. Oh lovely, yes,

442
00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:42.599
<v Speaker 2>so I'm feeling I'm fucking sweating too, right, it's dark

443
00:25:42.640 --> 00:25:46.000
<v Speaker 2>eye want his tea and now this weirdo is back

444
00:25:46.039 --> 00:25:49.759
<v Speaker 2>at the house. So needless to say, he was strong,

445
00:25:50.039 --> 00:25:52.799
<v Speaker 2>especially in his hands and arms. And as he was

446
00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:57.160
<v Speaker 2>standing over Christy, Malcolm wrapped his hands around Christy's throat

447
00:25:57.279 --> 00:25:59.759
<v Speaker 2>and he strangled her to death. And as he was

448
00:26:01.240 --> 00:26:04.880
<v Speaker 2>she let out a yelp. As she was trying to scream.

449
00:26:05.359 --> 00:26:08.720
<v Speaker 2>Her children were in the next room. So while everyone

450
00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:12.279
<v Speaker 2>was away, I know that motherfucker. Yeah, you're killing the

451
00:26:12.359 --> 00:26:15.279
<v Speaker 2>kid's mother, and it's just I don't want to hear it.

452
00:26:15.559 --> 00:26:18.240
<v Speaker 2>While everyone was away in Sydney, Malcolm knew that he

453
00:26:18.279 --> 00:26:21.359
<v Speaker 2>could just bring Christy's body into his bedroom. He laid

454
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:23.960
<v Speaker 2>her body right next to his bed, went back into

455
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.559
<v Speaker 2>the living room to grab Christie's cup of tea, which

456
00:26:26.640 --> 00:26:29.559
<v Speaker 2>was still hot, poured it down the drain, and drank

457
00:26:29.599 --> 00:26:31.599
<v Speaker 2>the cup that she had made for him. Not five

458
00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:35.119
<v Speaker 2>minutes earlier, one of Christy's kids made some sound from

459
00:26:35.160 --> 00:26:37.920
<v Speaker 2>the next room, so Malcolm made his way over to

460
00:26:38.000 --> 00:26:41.400
<v Speaker 2>the bedroom, cracked the door open just enough to peer in,

461
00:26:41.920 --> 00:26:44.839
<v Speaker 2>saw that one child was asleep in the smaller bed

462
00:26:45.200 --> 00:26:47.920
<v Speaker 2>and the other was asleep in the crib located in

463
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:51.200
<v Speaker 2>the middle of the bedroom, and he went about his business.

464
00:26:51.599 --> 00:26:54.079
<v Speaker 2>He went back into the kitchen to finish his tea,

465
00:26:54.480 --> 00:26:56.759
<v Speaker 2>and then he went to the sink to wash both

466
00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:59.240
<v Speaker 2>cups while making sure that he had wiped down the

467
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:02.960
<v Speaker 2>entire sin and kitchen chairs. Malcolm then went back to

468
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:06.480
<v Speaker 2>his bedroom and slid Christie's body all of the way

469
00:27:06.559 --> 00:27:10.400
<v Speaker 2>underneath his bed. He placed bibles around her body, and

470
00:27:10.480 --> 00:27:13.319
<v Speaker 2>he put pillows in front of his bed to better

471
00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:16.720
<v Speaker 2>conceal the body. He knew that Christy would be home

472
00:27:16.759 --> 00:27:19.599
<v Speaker 2>alone with the kids that night. The only reason he

473
00:27:19.680 --> 00:27:22.319
<v Speaker 2>knew that was because he crept out of his bedroom

474
00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.920
<v Speaker 2>window two nights prior to listen in on Reg and

475
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Christie's conversation. He heard Reg tell Christy that he was

476
00:27:30.119 --> 00:27:32.559
<v Speaker 2>leaving to go to Sydney and he wouldn't be back

477
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:35.359
<v Speaker 2>until the weekend. He then heard that Christy and the

478
00:27:35.440 --> 00:27:37.759
<v Speaker 2>kids would be staying at Jack and Flows while their

479
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:40.799
<v Speaker 2>house was being painted. On the night he murdered her,

480
00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Malcolm crept onto the roof and peered into the house

481
00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.119
<v Speaker 2>as he watched Christie feed and put her kids to

482
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:50.400
<v Speaker 2>bed for the night. He had been waiting for the

483
00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:53.079
<v Speaker 2>moment to kill her, and he knew the right time

484
00:27:53.119 --> 00:27:56.119
<v Speaker 2>to do it. When he knew that Christy was all alone,

485
00:27:56.240 --> 00:27:59.400
<v Speaker 2>he creepily came out of his bedroom and made his

486
00:27:59.440 --> 00:28:02.279
<v Speaker 2>way into the kitchen as she was making the tea.

487
00:28:02.720 --> 00:28:05.559
<v Speaker 2>Malcolm had a plan for his next steps, and let

488
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:10.200
<v Speaker 2>me tell you, they're crazy. Once Christie's body right, yeah,

489
00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:13.920
<v Speaker 2>heads up and be prepared. Once Christie's body was tucked

490
00:28:13.920 --> 00:28:17.119
<v Speaker 2>away and concealed enough for his leiki, he made sure

491
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:20.119
<v Speaker 2>that his bedroom door was completely secure before he would

492
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:22.599
<v Speaker 2>make his escape. It was still early enough in the

493
00:28:22.720 --> 00:28:25.240
<v Speaker 2>night and the neighbors were still out and about, so

494
00:28:25.759 --> 00:28:28.000
<v Speaker 2>he looked out his bedroom window to make sure that

495
00:28:28.160 --> 00:28:31.279
<v Speaker 2>nobody was watching him. He had already packed a bag

496
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.680
<v Speaker 2>hours earlier, so he slinked out of his bedroom window,

497
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.240
<v Speaker 2>bag in hand, and before he fled, he turned back

498
00:28:38.279 --> 00:28:41.160
<v Speaker 2>to put a nail into the lock before he made

499
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:43.920
<v Speaker 2>his way to the front of the house. He was

500
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:47.920
<v Speaker 2>heading for the Western Plains Zoo. Now we'll go back

501
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:51.039
<v Speaker 2>to where we started with the little girl wandering around

502
00:28:51.079 --> 00:28:54.279
<v Speaker 2>the front yard of Jack and FLOE's place on Saturday

503
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:57.599
<v Speaker 2>June twenty fifth, two thousand and five, a relative of

504
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:01.480
<v Speaker 2>Nolan's lived a few houses down. When the man Ian

505
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:04.839
<v Speaker 2>Walker looked out of his window, he saw his niece

506
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:08.359
<v Speaker 2>wandering aimlessly around the front yard. And even though this

507
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:12.240
<v Speaker 2>wasn't unusual, Christy had been seen with the children for

508
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:15.119
<v Speaker 2>a few days, and that was the most alarming thing.

509
00:29:15.680 --> 00:29:18.759
<v Speaker 2>And since these children had been without their mama, the

510
00:29:18.839 --> 00:29:22.680
<v Speaker 2>little girl, Libby, was looking a little rough. When Ian

511
00:29:22.759 --> 00:29:26.240
<v Speaker 2>asked Libby where her mama was, Libby shrugged her shoulders.

512
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.200
<v Speaker 2>Ian then called into the house from the outside to

513
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:32.720
<v Speaker 2>see if Christy would come outside. With no sign of Christy,

514
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:35.640
<v Speaker 2>Ian tried to get into the house through the front door,

515
00:29:35.759 --> 00:29:38.839
<v Speaker 2>but it was locked. Libby had slid open one of

516
00:29:38.880 --> 00:29:41.640
<v Speaker 2>the windows in the living room to get outside, so

517
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.279
<v Speaker 2>when Ian saw that, he knew that he would be

518
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:46.920
<v Speaker 2>able to get in that way. Ian was respectful as

519
00:29:46.920 --> 00:29:49.440
<v Speaker 2>he entered through the house, but still with no word

520
00:29:49.480 --> 00:29:53.079
<v Speaker 2>from Christy. He wandered to where the children were sleeping

521
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.839
<v Speaker 2>and found the baby screaming his head off from his crib.

522
00:29:57.240 --> 00:30:00.519
<v Speaker 2>Neither child had eaten since their mother last fed them,

523
00:30:00.680 --> 00:30:03.799
<v Speaker 2>and since Christy had been murdered, the baby boy's diaper

524
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.279
<v Speaker 2>hadn't been changed. Ian looked through the entire house to

525
00:30:07.319 --> 00:30:10.920
<v Speaker 2>search for Christy, and he had access to all of

526
00:30:10.960 --> 00:30:15.519
<v Speaker 2>them except for one, Malcolm's locked room, which was doubling

527
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:19.640
<v Speaker 2>as Christie's temporary grave. Ian fed and washed up both

528
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.759
<v Speaker 2>of Christie's children, and when they were happy again, he

529
00:30:22.880 --> 00:30:25.680
<v Speaker 2>began calling other people to see if they knew where

530
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:29.759
<v Speaker 2>Christy was. Everything had already felt so wrong to Ian,

531
00:30:29.920 --> 00:30:32.720
<v Speaker 2>since her purse and cell phone were still in the house,

532
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:37.160
<v Speaker 2>and Christie's phone showed missed calls from Redge for the

533
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:40.799
<v Speaker 2>last couple of days. Ian called Redge and told him

534
00:30:40.880 --> 00:30:44.000
<v Speaker 2>to come home right away. Even with an army of

535
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:47.759
<v Speaker 2>relatives looking for Christy, nobody could locate her, so the

536
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:50.839
<v Speaker 2>police were called. Since the house was locked up with

537
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:54.640
<v Speaker 2>what they thought nobody inside, the only thing that could

538
00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:57.680
<v Speaker 2>be done at the time was file a missing person report.

539
00:30:58.119 --> 00:31:01.599
<v Speaker 2>After the report came through, a search warrant was obtained

540
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:06.400
<v Speaker 2>to search the Bungalgumbie Road residence since there had already

541
00:31:06.400 --> 00:31:10.039
<v Speaker 2>been a disappearance associated with the home. The house was

542
00:31:10.079 --> 00:31:13.519
<v Speaker 2>searched on Sunday and there were no signs of anything amiss,

543
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:17.720
<v Speaker 2>but they walked up to Malcolm's locked bedroom door. An

544
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.839
<v Speaker 2>officer opened the door and the slight smell of decomposition

545
00:31:22.160 --> 00:31:25.599
<v Speaker 2>smacked them right in the face. Once the detectives smelled that,

546
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:28.640
<v Speaker 2>they knew that they were looking for a corpse. When

547
00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:30.960
<v Speaker 2>they removed the pillows from the front of the bed,

548
00:31:31.079 --> 00:31:34.400
<v Speaker 2>they found Christy right where Malcolm had stashed her before

549
00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:38.400
<v Speaker 2>running for the outback. The same homicide detectives who were

550
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:43.200
<v Speaker 2>handling Letitia's disappearance came back to Debo to handle Christy's

551
00:31:43.279 --> 00:31:47.039
<v Speaker 2>murder investigation. The homicide detective went back to the house

552
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:50.480
<v Speaker 2>to scour Malcolm's room for anything that could give a

553
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:54.279
<v Speaker 2>meeting behind the murder. Malcolm's family members said that although

554
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:58.440
<v Speaker 2>he was withdrawn from society, he was harmless. Uh huh.

555
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.559
<v Speaker 2>Lease discovered many different copies of Bibles and highlighted sections

556
00:32:04.599 --> 00:32:09.680
<v Speaker 2>out of wilderness crime and survival guide books. The detectives

557
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 2>also found really disturbing sketches that he had drawn, and

558
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.839
<v Speaker 2>these told the detectives that he was a psychopath who

559
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 2>was willing to kill again. Well I'm not sure what

560
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:25.640
<v Speaker 2>he drew, but that's quite an analysis from drawings. Yes,

561
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.160
<v Speaker 2>psychopath and willing to kill again, you know.

562
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:29.279
<v Speaker 1>It's some wild shit.

563
00:32:29.799 --> 00:32:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, probably some murder scenes. The details of these drawings

564
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.480
<v Speaker 2>have not been released. The detectives noticed that his windowsill

565
00:32:37.880 --> 00:32:40.920
<v Speaker 2>had been worn out, since he often used that to

566
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:43.519
<v Speaker 2>leave and enter the house rather than the front door.

567
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:47.240
<v Speaker 2>Malcolm had also torn out a piece of ceiling and

568
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:49.720
<v Speaker 2>this was how he got into the roof that night

569
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:53.039
<v Speaker 2>to watch Christie. He watched his family through the vents

570
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:56.880
<v Speaker 2>of the house. What a creep this is so weird

571
00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:59.640
<v Speaker 2>it is The police got a glimpse in a malcolm

572
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.680
<v Speaker 2>secret life as they searched his bedroom. News of the

573
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:05.319
<v Speaker 2>murdered twenty four year old mother had spread, just like

574
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:08.119
<v Speaker 2>the news of missing twenty four year old mother just

575
00:33:08.319 --> 00:33:12.160
<v Speaker 2>months earlier. The police were under massive amounts of pressure

576
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:15.319
<v Speaker 2>and they needed to give the public some results sooner

577
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:19.039
<v Speaker 2>rather than later. This then set into motion the longest

578
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:22.920
<v Speaker 2>man hunt in Australian history. A picture of Malcolm was

579
00:33:23.000 --> 00:33:26.480
<v Speaker 2>released to the public and a task force was put

580
00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:32.440
<v Speaker 2>together with a combination of wilderness experts and veteran detectives. Originally,

581
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:36.640
<v Speaker 2>only a very specific areas were searched, since these were

582
00:33:36.720 --> 00:33:40.480
<v Speaker 2>the initial places the investigators thought he would be hiding out.

583
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:44.440
<v Speaker 2>But when they still hadn't located Malcolm. Weeks later, they

584
00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:48.400
<v Speaker 2>knew that they needed to widen their search exponentially. As

585
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:51.519
<v Speaker 2>the police were searching for him, calls were coming in

586
00:33:51.559 --> 00:33:54.559
<v Speaker 2>with people saying that they had seen Malcolm and parts

587
00:33:54.599 --> 00:33:58.759
<v Speaker 2>of New South Wales and specifically in the western Plains.

588
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Each time someone and said that they saw him, a

589
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.960
<v Speaker 2>search team went out to investigate the area, but nothing

590
00:34:05.039 --> 00:34:08.000
<v Speaker 2>came up. After two months had gone by, a press

591
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:12.000
<v Speaker 2>conference was held was pleased to the public to help

592
00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:16.079
<v Speaker 2>provide any information that could lead to his capture. In

593
00:34:16.119 --> 00:34:20.239
<v Speaker 2>the meantime, Jack and Flow had come back from Sydney,

594
00:34:20.800 --> 00:34:23.719
<v Speaker 2>but they were not made aware of Christie's murder and

595
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:27.079
<v Speaker 2>the man hunt for Malcolm until the police pressured the

596
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:30.920
<v Speaker 2>family to tell them the truth. After Jack and Flow

597
00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:34.239
<v Speaker 2>were told what had happened, Flow's health took a turn

598
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:37.719
<v Speaker 2>for the worse and she was never well again. Jack

599
00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:41.119
<v Speaker 2>blatantly refused to believe that his grandson had murdered his

600
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.840
<v Speaker 2>cousin's wife, even when presented with evidence to prove that

601
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:49.079
<v Speaker 2>he did. Jack eventually came to his own conclusion that

602
00:34:49.119 --> 00:34:52.679
<v Speaker 2>Malcolm was murdered with Christy and that the police were

603
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:58.480
<v Speaker 2>actually chasing a completely different psychopath, wilderness crime and Bible

604
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:06.199
<v Speaker 2>expert in South Wales. Yeah, at least two. So. On

605
00:35:06.239 --> 00:35:09.480
<v Speaker 2>the other hand, Latitia's father, who had not lost hope

606
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:13.320
<v Speaker 2>in finding her, had no doubt that Malcolm was responsible

607
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:17.239
<v Speaker 2>for everything that had happened so far. Letitia's father prayed

608
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:20.480
<v Speaker 2>that after the police caught Malcolm, he would come clean

609
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:24.039
<v Speaker 2>and tell where Letitia was. He made this heart shattering

610
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:28.360
<v Speaker 2>statement to a reporter quote, my heart stops every time

611
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:31.639
<v Speaker 2>the phone rings. I wake up during the night in

612
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:34.920
<v Speaker 2>a sweat, and I've been losing my hair from stress.

613
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:38.599
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes I sit at my computer until the sun comes up,

614
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:42.760
<v Speaker 2>thinking of things I could do to try and find her. Unquote.

615
00:35:43.039 --> 00:35:46.440
<v Speaker 2>He made himself readily available to any media outlets who

616
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.360
<v Speaker 2>wanted to talk to him, but of course this never

617
00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:52.760
<v Speaker 2>sat well with the Nolan family or the police. With

618
00:35:53.199 --> 00:35:56.360
<v Speaker 2>each statement he made, the police were under more and

619
00:35:56.440 --> 00:36:00.679
<v Speaker 2>more pressure. In December of two thousand and five began

620
00:36:00.800 --> 00:36:03.800
<v Speaker 2>to come in as people were coming across the carcasses

621
00:36:03.840 --> 00:36:07.559
<v Speaker 2>of kangaroos whose meat had been ripped off of them

622
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:10.800
<v Speaker 2>like they would have been at a slaughterhouse. I told it,

623
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:16.599
<v Speaker 2>it's a clue. This told investigators that since he worked

624
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:20.000
<v Speaker 2>at a slaughterhouse before, and ripping the meat from bones

625
00:36:20.079 --> 00:36:23.039
<v Speaker 2>had been his job, he had to be the one

626
00:36:23.159 --> 00:36:26.960
<v Speaker 2>doing this to the kangaroos. Since these remains had been

627
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.159
<v Speaker 2>found out in the wilderness of the outback, the search

628
00:36:30.239 --> 00:36:33.519
<v Speaker 2>went on, but little did they know, Malcolm had made

629
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:37.400
<v Speaker 2>himself at home at the Western Plains Zoo, which is

630
00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:40.440
<v Speaker 2>only an eight minute drive down the road from the

631
00:36:40.480 --> 00:36:44.599
<v Speaker 2>Bungogumbee Road. Residence. Workers at the zoo had been finding

632
00:36:44.679 --> 00:36:48.000
<v Speaker 2>clues that someone had been living on the roofs of

633
00:36:48.119 --> 00:36:51.280
<v Speaker 2>cabins on the grounds, and that there was even more

634
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:54.880
<v Speaker 2>evidence that someone had been hunting on the grounds. On

635
00:36:54.920 --> 00:36:58.719
<v Speaker 2>December twenty first, a staff member at the zoo spotted

636
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:01.840
<v Speaker 2>what looked like and in true and they called the police.

637
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:06.239
<v Speaker 2>Even with all this information, nobody had seen Malcolm, but

638
00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:10.199
<v Speaker 2>the task force needed to search the zoo regardless for evidence.

639
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:13.159
<v Speaker 2>Later that day, the police were called to the scene

640
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.079
<v Speaker 2>to search the roof of one of the cabins, and

641
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:21.280
<v Speaker 2>after fingerprints came back as a positive ID for Malcolm,

642
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:24.760
<v Speaker 2>it was confirmed that he had been living there. And

643
00:37:24.880 --> 00:37:27.280
<v Speaker 2>just as a side note, I looked up the cabins

644
00:37:27.320 --> 00:37:31.199
<v Speaker 2>at the zoo and they are pretty luxurious visitors. You

645
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.880
<v Speaker 2>can pay to stay in the cabins that run adjacent

646
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:36.679
<v Speaker 2>to the zoo grounds, and the guests are free to

647
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:39.599
<v Speaker 2>come and go as they please under a reservation. And

648
00:37:39.639 --> 00:37:43.519
<v Speaker 2>it looks really cool without Malcolm hiding on the roofs

649
00:37:43.920 --> 00:37:45.639
<v Speaker 2>rightously fucking weirdo.

650
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:46.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

651
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.800
<v Speaker 2>The investigators told the staff and current guests that the

652
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:52.159
<v Speaker 2>zoo was going to be closed for the following day

653
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:55.920
<v Speaker 2>and reservations for the cabins for the following day were canceled.

654
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Of course, the guests were pissed and they spent the

655
00:37:58.920 --> 00:38:01.159
<v Speaker 2>rest of the day at the zoo joking about a

656
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:05.039
<v Speaker 2>lion escaping. The same people found out after the media

657
00:38:05.119 --> 00:38:08.679
<v Speaker 2>ran the story that Australia's most wanted human had been

658
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:12.239
<v Speaker 2>living there while they and their families were touring the

659
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:17.639
<v Speaker 2>zoo grounds. That would be unsettling, to say the little bit.

660
00:38:18.280 --> 00:38:21.960
<v Speaker 2>The following day, the entire task force, which included men

661
00:38:22.079 --> 00:38:27.519
<v Speaker 2>dressed in wilderness camel gear and helicopters, flooded the area

662
00:38:27.559 --> 00:38:30.960
<v Speaker 2>where Malcolm was last known to be. This zoo is

663
00:38:31.119 --> 00:38:34.840
<v Speaker 2>roughly seven hundred and forty one acres big and was

664
00:38:34.920 --> 00:38:39.039
<v Speaker 2>once used as a World War two military base at

665
00:38:39.079 --> 00:38:42.639
<v Speaker 2>the time, over a thousand animals inhabited the zoo, and

666
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:46.760
<v Speaker 2>these animals came from five different continents. Dogs were set

667
00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:48.519
<v Speaker 2>out to see if they could catch a hint of

668
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:52.119
<v Speaker 2>a cent, but even after combing the entire premises, they

669
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.800
<v Speaker 2>came up empty. Again. Malcolm was gone. While Malcolm was

670
00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:00.559
<v Speaker 2>literally ghosting everyone, Jack's health was getting worse and due

671
00:39:00.599 --> 00:39:04.119
<v Speaker 2>to this, many of Malcolm's family members were making please

672
00:39:04.239 --> 00:39:08.760
<v Speaker 2>online with him to come home. One relative named Jeanette

673
00:39:08.800 --> 00:39:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Lancaster took to the website Missingperson register dot com and

674
00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.679
<v Speaker 2>in her post, she said, quote, Malcolm, if you read

675
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:21.239
<v Speaker 2>this message or someone tells you about this message, the

676
00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:24.559
<v Speaker 2>family needs to hear from you. Pop is very ill

677
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:27.639
<v Speaker 2>and he needs to know how you are and hear

678
00:39:27.760 --> 00:39:31.119
<v Speaker 2>your side of the story. In regard to Christy, Pop

679
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:34.679
<v Speaker 2>won't get better until he knows what's going on. End quote.

680
00:39:35.039 --> 00:39:37.800
<v Speaker 2>She went on to say that Flow had been literally

681
00:39:38.079 --> 00:39:41.159
<v Speaker 2>worried sick, and that the family was pleading with him

682
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:44.800
<v Speaker 2>to come back home. Jeannette also mentioned how Malcolm's mother,

683
00:39:45.039 --> 00:39:48.320
<v Speaker 2>along with everyone else, wanted him to turn himself over

684
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:51.360
<v Speaker 2>to the police. This was getting so out of hand

685
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:56.000
<v Speaker 2>eventually from all of the stress, and heartbreak Flow passed

686
00:39:56.039 --> 00:40:00.639
<v Speaker 2>away and after that Jack never recovered which his father

687
00:40:00.800 --> 00:40:04.039
<v Speaker 2>had gone into the same website and he updated it

688
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.800
<v Speaker 2>with every article written about her disappearance, and in a

689
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:11.599
<v Speaker 2>post he said, quote, I go on Google Earth and

690
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:14.760
<v Speaker 2>I look at the towns and areas where he's been

691
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:18.920
<v Speaker 2>sighted end quote, and ended with that he was desperate

692
00:40:18.960 --> 00:40:23.480
<v Speaker 2>for answers on his daughter's whereabouts. The crazy thing about

693
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.599
<v Speaker 2>this entire case was how Malcolm managed to evade the

694
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:30.559
<v Speaker 2>police for seven years. At the time of his capture,

695
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:33.039
<v Speaker 2>there was a bounty on his head for two hundred

696
00:40:33.079 --> 00:40:36.920
<v Speaker 2>and fifty thousand Australian dollars, which is two hundred and

697
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:40.719
<v Speaker 2>sixty US, and this was the biggest man hunt since

698
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:43.920
<v Speaker 2>the nineteenth century. While he was living in the zoo,

699
00:40:43.960 --> 00:40:46.639
<v Speaker 2>he stole bananas from the elephants and he snuck into

700
00:40:46.679 --> 00:40:51.000
<v Speaker 2>tortoise enclosures. Once inside, Malcolm ripped off their heads and

701
00:40:51.039 --> 00:40:54.079
<v Speaker 2>he ate the meat that was in the turtles head

702
00:40:54.119 --> 00:40:57.960
<v Speaker 2>and bodies. A staff member later said that Malcolm was

703
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:01.840
<v Speaker 2>seen running from the tortoise enclosure. While he was living

704
00:41:01.880 --> 00:41:04.159
<v Speaker 2>on top of the cabin at the zoo. He would

705
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.280
<v Speaker 2>sneak down at night and use the on site grills

706
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.800
<v Speaker 2>that just needed a few coins to be fired out. Ok,

707
00:41:11.400 --> 00:41:15.320
<v Speaker 2>this dude's got balls, he does. You know, he's just

708
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:17.960
<v Speaker 2>like grills. I'm gonna use the grills. That's the thought

709
00:41:17.960 --> 00:41:21.039
<v Speaker 2>that came in his head. They know he's there. Like,

710
00:41:21.159 --> 00:41:24.599
<v Speaker 2>why isn't there like patrol? Well, yeah, and I get

711
00:41:24.679 --> 00:41:27.559
<v Speaker 2>it's two thousands. Sometimes you forget like two thousand and five.

712
00:41:27.639 --> 00:41:30.960
<v Speaker 2>Back then, like two thousand. Now we have more heat

713
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:32.800
<v Speaker 2>seeking stuff, we have drones.

714
00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Like, how come there weren't more policemen more presenting it? Right?

715
00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:41.760
<v Speaker 2>Yes, exactly, I don't know. Seven years, seven years in

716
00:41:41.800 --> 00:41:45.400
<v Speaker 2>the wilderness this guy lived. Since Malcolm was out in

717
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:48.719
<v Speaker 2>the wilderness for so long, it was impossible for police

718
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:51.519
<v Speaker 2>dogs to find or pick up a cent. He broke

719
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:54.480
<v Speaker 2>into people's houses, and when the homeowners called the police,

720
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:58.800
<v Speaker 2>the fingerprints came back as matches. The prints he left

721
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.519
<v Speaker 2>behind were able to help guide the police to the

722
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:06.719
<v Speaker 2>town of Gloucester, but unfortunately, when the police came close,

723
00:42:07.119 --> 00:42:10.920
<v Speaker 2>Malcolm used a stolen semi automatic gun to shoot the

724
00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:14.519
<v Speaker 2>officer who came the closest to catching him. He was

725
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:17.599
<v Speaker 2>watching the officers through the scope on the rifle and

726
00:42:17.639 --> 00:42:20.280
<v Speaker 2>when they got too close, he decided to pull the trigger.

727
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Officers came across a campsite and tried to raid, but

728
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:27.880
<v Speaker 2>the fugitive was ready for them, and luckily the officer

729
00:42:27.880 --> 00:42:31.719
<v Speaker 2>who was shot survived after having a bullet blow clear

730
00:42:31.800 --> 00:42:35.639
<v Speaker 2>through his shoulder. Before this raid and shooting, the bounty

731
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:41.199
<v Speaker 2>was at one hundred thousand Australian dollars and after this

732
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:43.719
<v Speaker 2>it was raised to the two hundred and fifty thousand.

733
00:42:44.199 --> 00:42:46.840
<v Speaker 2>So by March of twenty twelve, the police had not

734
00:42:46.920 --> 00:42:50.039
<v Speaker 2>given up, and they got smarter with their tactics. They

735
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:53.320
<v Speaker 2>were able to rig up concealed cameras that were able

736
00:42:53.360 --> 00:42:57.199
<v Speaker 2>to track his position, and at midnight on March twenty second,

737
00:42:57.320 --> 00:43:02.079
<v Speaker 2>twenty twelve, Malcolm was finally captured. And let me tell you,

738
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:06.199
<v Speaker 2>he looked like complete and utter shit. He was thirty

739
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.119
<v Speaker 2>eight at the time of his capture and by the

740
00:43:08.119 --> 00:43:11.440
<v Speaker 2>looks of him, he hadn't had a shower, a shave,

741
00:43:11.719 --> 00:43:15.320
<v Speaker 2>clean clothes for years, and fuck him, he didn't deserve it.

742
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:19.440
<v Speaker 2>On March twenty second, twenty thirteen, malcompleted guilty to the

743
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:24.159
<v Speaker 2>murders of both Letitia Nolan and Christy Skulls. While in custody,

744
00:43:24.239 --> 00:43:27.360
<v Speaker 2>he told the detectives that without a doubt, he would

745
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:31.440
<v Speaker 2>definitely kill again. Along with that, he also pleaded guilty

746
00:43:31.840 --> 00:43:35.679
<v Speaker 2>to the attempted murder of a police officer, breaking and entering,

747
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:39.239
<v Speaker 2>and for sexually assaulting the fifteen year old girl that

748
00:43:39.400 --> 00:43:44.320
<v Speaker 2>was mentioned earlier in the episode. In total, he pleaded

749
00:43:44.320 --> 00:43:49.480
<v Speaker 2>guilty to eighteen charges. Wow. The sad but not surprising

750
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:52.519
<v Speaker 2>thing about Malcolm was that he confessed by writing a

751
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:55.719
<v Speaker 2>twenty five page long letter, and in the letter he

752
00:43:55.800 --> 00:43:59.079
<v Speaker 2>said some very disturbing things. He wrote about how he

753
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:02.480
<v Speaker 2>felt nothing for him victims. Quote I would like to

754
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:05.599
<v Speaker 2>say I feel something for the victims, but that would

755
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:08.800
<v Speaker 2>be a lie. End quote. He also made notes to

756
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:13.920
<v Speaker 2>the readers of his letters saying, quote, avoid violence, especially killing.

757
00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:17.280
<v Speaker 2>You will never be the same again. End quote. He

758
00:44:17.400 --> 00:44:20.400
<v Speaker 2>said that the murders were enlightening for him. He said

759
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:23.400
<v Speaker 2>that he knew how the victims felt and that something

760
00:44:23.440 --> 00:44:27.280
<v Speaker 2>broke inside of him after murdering them. His reason behind

761
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:30.599
<v Speaker 2>the murders is completely baffling. He said that he killed

762
00:44:30.639 --> 00:44:35.320
<v Speaker 2>Letitia due to her gossiping. Really, yes, so she's a

763
00:44:35.400 --> 00:44:39.679
<v Speaker 2>gossip your cousin. This is say whatever you want, you know,

764
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:44.239
<v Speaker 2>there's nothing so apparently her gossiping, he went into a rage,

765
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:47.360
<v Speaker 2>and he was never someone who showed any sort of emotion,

766
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:51.000
<v Speaker 2>but when he murdered her, she didn't see it coming.

767
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:54.400
<v Speaker 2>After he murdered her, Letitia, he said that he just

768
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:56.840
<v Speaker 2>sat and looked at her body for a long time.

769
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Quote I have never seen a body so relaxed. She

770
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:04.239
<v Speaker 2>crossed from life to death in an instant. Life shone

771
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.440
<v Speaker 2>through her trusting eyes, and now nothing, She was just

772
00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:11.360
<v Speaker 2>gone en quote Sadly. He said that he woke up

773
00:45:11.360 --> 00:45:14.920
<v Speaker 2>the following morning and heard Letitia's kids playing as if

774
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:18.559
<v Speaker 2>nothing had happened. Later in the confession, Malcolm spoke about

775
00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:22.119
<v Speaker 2>how he broke Letitia's back and then went into detail

776
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:26.039
<v Speaker 2>about cutting her body into pieces. Her body has never

777
00:45:26.119 --> 00:45:29.519
<v Speaker 2>been found. This letter was made public so everyone in

778
00:45:29.599 --> 00:45:33.440
<v Speaker 2>her family heard it, including her father. While talking about

779
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Christie's death, he showed some serious heartlessness. He wrote about

780
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:42.280
<v Speaker 2>treating her quote like a life size dollote. He said

781
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:45.840
<v Speaker 2>that he killed her for no reason whatsoever. His family

782
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:48.639
<v Speaker 2>members have stated that they cannot and will not ever

783
00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:52.079
<v Speaker 2>forgive Malcolm for what he did, and while in prison,

784
00:45:52.519 --> 00:45:56.000
<v Speaker 2>Malcolm's second cousin even took it upon himself to beat

785
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:59.480
<v Speaker 2>him bloody since he was incarcerated inside the same prison.

786
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:07.519
<v Speaker 2>I thank you, cousin. Dean Nolan used the handle of

787
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:11.199
<v Speaker 2>a sandwich toaster to bash him in the prison courtyard

788
00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:16.679
<v Speaker 2>at Goldburn's Correctional Facility. After all the terrible things that

789
00:46:16.719 --> 00:46:19.599
<v Speaker 2>he put the victims and their families and the community

790
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:23.679
<v Speaker 2>and the police through, Malcolm Nayden is now serving life

791
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:28.960
<v Speaker 2>in prison without the possibility of parole. Wow. So that

792
00:46:29.199 --> 00:46:36.239
<v Speaker 2>is some violence in Australia. Yeah, like the senselessness of murders.

793
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:39.159
<v Speaker 1>It's just I don't know. Yeah, We've talked about it

794
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:43.519
<v Speaker 1>a few times where it's just it's just sad because

795
00:46:44.159 --> 00:46:47.039
<v Speaker 1>I wonder what went wrong like in his life that

796
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:50.360
<v Speaker 1>made him that way, you know, like didn't you go wrong?

797
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:50.960
<v Speaker 2>Is it?

798
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:53.440
<v Speaker 1>You know the whole nature nurture thing, Like was he

799
00:46:53.599 --> 00:46:55.480
<v Speaker 1>just born like that? Like okay, it sounded like he

800
00:46:55.519 --> 00:46:56.400
<v Speaker 1>was a massive weirdo.

801
00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:59.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, So I don't know. That's just really sad.

802
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Feel bad for that family, her kids, Laiah, my.

803
00:47:03.239 --> 00:47:04.639
<v Speaker 2>Goodness, I guess her.

804
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:07.480
<v Speaker 1>Children, her you know, their children, and it's just really

805
00:47:07.519 --> 00:47:08.239
<v Speaker 1>really sad.

806
00:47:09.039 --> 00:47:12.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's frustrating when like the great grandfather, the

807
00:47:12.559 --> 00:47:16.440
<v Speaker 2>grandfather Jack. You're you're presented. You don't have to like

808
00:47:16.639 --> 00:47:19.800
<v Speaker 2>the facts that you're being presented, but you have to

809
00:47:19.840 --> 00:47:23.360
<v Speaker 2>be in this plane of existence to accept them. So

810
00:47:23.559 --> 00:47:26.119
<v Speaker 2>we can you know, Oh, I don't believe he killed

811
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:28.599
<v Speaker 2>that girl then, yeah, because then you'd have to believe

812
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:33.639
<v Speaker 2>he killed your granddaughter too, right, you know, And I

813
00:47:33.679 --> 00:47:36.960
<v Speaker 2>think we know, I think we know how kids are,

814
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:40.920
<v Speaker 2>especially your own kids, you know, like Grandpa didn't know

815
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:43.519
<v Speaker 2>he was a weirdo, thank you and just always having

816
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.880
<v Speaker 2>us back. I don't believe that, and to me, that's toxic.

817
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:51.079
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I don't know why people can't be honest with themselves, like, okay,

818
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:54.840
<v Speaker 1>fucking weird and yeah, while I didn't think he could

819
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:56.039
<v Speaker 1>kill somebody, he did.

820
00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. They don't want to be honest because they're monsters,

821
00:47:58.639 --> 00:48:00.599
<v Speaker 2>and then they have to base their mom sternness.

822
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:01.360
<v Speaker 1>Right.

823
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:04.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh but yes, that is the story. Back to turn

824
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:09.920
<v Speaker 2>to the century. Winters in New Southwest Australia.

825
00:48:10.039 --> 00:48:13.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, winters are are summers.

826
00:48:13.000 --> 00:48:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Because I know what I was like, that's right, the

827
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:17.159
<v Speaker 2>equator flippy thing.

828
00:48:18.039 --> 00:48:24.119
<v Speaker 1>I can't imagine celebrating Christmas in the summer, but me either,

829
00:48:24.599 --> 00:48:28.079
<v Speaker 1>It would be crazy but well, thank you, Shanna, my pleasure,

830
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:31.960
<v Speaker 1>my dear, thank you everyone for listening to this week's episode.

831
00:48:32.119 --> 00:48:34.559
<v Speaker 1>We appreciate it. So I would just like to thank

832
00:48:34.559 --> 00:48:37.719
<v Speaker 1>everyone for listening to this week's episode, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>haven't already, please hit the subscribe or follow button on

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<v Speaker 1>whatever app you're listening to because it really helps us.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you would like more episodes, we have a Patreon.

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<v Speaker 1>You can go to patreon dot com slash tnt crimes

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<v Speaker 1>and you can get an extra episode a week for

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<v Speaker 1>very small fee per month. You can go to our

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<v Speaker 1>website Crimes and Consequences dot com and I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>all the business that we have, so.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh the business.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, you can also sign up on ample podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the same episodes.

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<v Speaker 1>On Patreon, so sorry about that. So anyway, well until

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<v Speaker 1>our next episode, my friend

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<v Speaker 2>Until next time, my friend, I'll see you, love you,

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<v Speaker 2>bye bye