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Speaker 1: The Thinking Atheist. It's not a person, it's a symbol,

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an idea.

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Speaker 2: The population of atheists this country is going through the.

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Speaker 1: Rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. If I

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tell the truth, it's because I tell the truth, not because.

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Speaker 3: I put my hand on a book and made a wish.

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Speaker 1: And working together for a more rational world.

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Speaker 2: Take the risk of thinking, feel so much more happiness.

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Truth Fusian wisdom will come to you that way.

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Speaker 1: Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the

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Thinking Atheist podcast hosted by Seth Andrews.

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Speaker 2: If you are not supporting this broadcast as a PA,

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it makes a huge difference, It really does. It's a

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big deal. I appreciate the fact that I'm able to

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monetize online, but I'll tell you, after the recent skirmish

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with YouTube and seeing the oligarchs monopolizing social media, these

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are scary days, right. A lot of the stuff that

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I've been writing about recently has to do with this

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idea that the billionaires deserve their billions. They've earned it.

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They built the better mouse trap. They at the very

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least knew how to work the system, even if they

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weren't business geniuses. Maybe they were Elon Musk right, the

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boy genius who has never really made anything, is never

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built or really designed anything except the cyber truck. And

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we know how that went down. The other Tesla products,

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which by the way, are well reviewed and well enjoyed

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products by the marketplace, those were designed by other people

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at Tesla. It's just that Elon attaches his name to it.

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The one thing that he was behind. The site ibertruck

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is the adsul of the twenty first century automobile industry.

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It is the punchline of the industry and a huge failure.

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When we look at people like that, a lot of

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folks say, you know what, if he's smart enough to

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game the system, if he can go in and build

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on his privilege and maneuver his way through PayPal, etc.

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And fill his pockets, will good on him. And this

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worship of billionaires to me is just so bizarre, especially

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by the crowd as banging the Bible that says the

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law of money is the root of all evil. And

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then when do the rich And I'll have a problem

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with people getting rich, get rich, knock yourself out. You

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want to be a millionaire, great, but once you become

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the wealth hoarder. At what point does it become obscene?

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Is it abuse? At what point do you owe the

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societies upon which you build your obscene wealth? And on

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a planet with so much suffering, how in the world

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can you justify a five hundred million dollars yacht with

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a helipad and a pool and bars and restaurants and

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crazy shit like that. What are you talking about? People

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are suffering, people are starving to death. People need houses

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and shelters, their kids need education. What are you doing?

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What are you doing? I was writing about this. It's

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a clock that Jeff Bezos of Amazon is funding. He's

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put forty plus million dollars into what's called the Millennium Clock,

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and I believe it's being built on one of his

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many properties. This clock Cuckoo's wants every thousand years. That's

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what it does. That's all it does. It is supposed

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to Cuckoo wants a millennium forty plus million dollars for

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this sucker. How detached from reality does someone have to be?

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How many meals would that buy? How much disease research

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with that fund? How many people would it help? This

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is the conversation I've been having lately about this weird

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worship of money, especially in the United States, and especially

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by people who make not even thirty five thousand dollars

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a year. What's that thing that's been flying around that

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says the average American is usually no more than six

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months away from being financially devastated. They're not ever six

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months away from becoming a billionaire, and yet they worship

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the rich. If you haven't caught my most recent episode

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co hosting with Erica, got sick given on the line

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that was a treat, first time we've ever had a

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chance to host together, and I shit you not. I

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think it was our second caller, Renee. Oh. She's a

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gem super sweet, super sweet person who called in with

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this really wild and wacky story about how she is

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a Christian but she's real not and worships the one

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and only creator of the universe. And then she told

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us that she has two PhDs. She just threw it

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out there. Now, Erica is at the end of a

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PhD program, right, so you knew she wasn't going to

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let this go, and neither was I. So I asked

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the obvious question. I said, well, I mean, may I

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ask where did you get your doctorates and in what fields?

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my doctorates by the one and only creator of the universe.

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God gave her the PhDs, is what she said, right,

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grant of some kind and involved? How is this funded?

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get it from God? It's not God. I didn't say God,

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it's the one and only creator of the university. It

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was such a wacky, wacky conversation and the calls on

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these call in shows for me, and I know everybody,

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a lot of people like the whacky or even the

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seminar repeat callers who dial in and they can be

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amusing my favorite parts For me, and this is subjective,

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talking about primates primate behaviors, and we talked about everything

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from the given to the bonobo to Donald Trump, who

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exhibits this weird primate behavior, all right, a destructive primate

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behavior by someone who bullies everybody else. In the monkey troop?

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just because it would drive by Erica crazy. But we

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were talking about how the culture is really starting to

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swell backward. They're resisting all of the abuse and the

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grift and the bullying and all the shit that's coming

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down from this high primate. What happens out in the wild, well,

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in many many, many, many many cases, the rest of

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the herd of monkeys, the troop they decide, screw this,

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we've had enough, and then they overthrow the big alpha

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primate and do horrible things to him. Horrible, I mean,

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they've just had enough. Oh yeah, you're gonna hoard bananas,

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you're gonna beat us up, you're gonna ruin our lives.

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We've had enough. And then they go and they essentially

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bite his balls, they bite his testicles, and they rip

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them limb from limb, and there's screeching and chaos and

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all this kind of stuff and then peace and order

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is restored. She's like, you know, I'm just saying, throughout

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our history, how many times have we seen the autocrats

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and the tyrants, the oligarchs, the kings, right the oppressors,

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whether it's Nero or Stalin, maw Hitler, etc. They come

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to power, there's a shit ton of abuse, and then

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finally certain parts of the tribe or the species say

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we've had enough and they go and they rip their

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balls off with their teeth. It just happens, and it

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does make me wonder how shit is going to go

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down in the United States because people are starting I

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think people are almost there. They are almost at I

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will go after your testicles with my teeth. They're almost

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at that spot. What's it look like? And that gets scary.

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There's already blood in the streets. Well, what happens if

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people decide, you know what, we're going to go physically

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after Rice? And then Donald Trump says, fine, I'm going

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to activate the whole of the US military through the

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Insurrection Act. And then the States say, oh, yeah, it's war.

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then says, it's wartime. I'm going to cancel the midterm elections.

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What does that entailed? Because you know it's going to

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be a theoretical bloodbath in November at the mid terms.

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It's crazy. How did we get here and why? I

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just read an article? Who published the article? You know what?

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Let me look it up. I'll tell you where it's sourced.

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Hold please, this is out of the independent. Morale is

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plummeting among ice agents over long hours, quotas, and public hatreds.

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What what? Morale is plummeting among federal law enforcement officers

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tasked with carrying out the Trump administration's aggressive anti immigration operation.

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They complain long hours, ambitious arrest quotas, and hatred from

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the public are a problem. Many of them have grown

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disillusioned with the tactics being implemented by leadership. Cry me

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a freaking river. There is not a violin in this

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world small enough for these folks. I mean, you don't

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get to have buyer's remorse when you join the American Gestapo,

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the mask secret Police, Murder Incorporated. You're like, Oh, we

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sure are having to work hard and the quotas are

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too high. I'm not sure I agree with the tactics here.

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Shooting people in the face it's not exactly what I

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signed up for. I'm not sure I should have taken

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the bonus. Many of these people promise salaries more than

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the average American school teacher for what to go and terrorize,

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terrorize American citizens. I just bought a T shirt from

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fellow activist Christy Burke. I had her on the show

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last year, and she's just a joy And she is

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selling a shirt on her website and I couldn't help it.

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I had to go buy it. Let me see if

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I can find it here, yep. ICE is a terrorist

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organization funded by your tax dollars. Now. She's running for

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office now because she really does want to go out

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and make a substantive change by becoming an elected official.

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shirts and the hoodies and stuff to help fund that.

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And she said, they killed an American woman, they gassed

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an innocent family, they kidnapped a preschooler. They are terrorists,

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and I'm sick of my tax dollars funding their cruelty

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and violence. So she's out there on the front lines.

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Ice is a terrorist organization funded by your tax dollars.

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As soon as I get it, I'm going to photograph myself.

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I'll put it with a link on my social media

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pages because go Christy, I'm a fan. Before I get

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to the phones. There is one other article that just

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came out, and props to the New York Times for

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doing actual journalism on this, regarding the murder of Alex

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Pretti in Minneapolis. Everybody's divided on this one. They had

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a vigil or Alex Pretty and Rene Good in my

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hometown of Tulsa, and there are vigils happening and protest

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happening really all around the country and all around the world.

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cold weather temps near fifteen degrees. People showed up anyway,

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in the commons sections, and it's horrifying. Some people are like,

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this was murder. Our hearts go on to the family's

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ice must be stopped. But a shit ton more people

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here in corn fed Jesus Town, red state, Tulsa, Oklahoma,

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were like, fuck those people, they were domestic terrorists. How

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dare he carry a gun to a protest or to

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an ice arrest? And now you've got Donald Trump saying Oh,

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you can't carry a gun in public. That's gonna go

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over with his base, even the National Rifle Association, who

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I despise. And I own a couple of firearms. I

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have a couple of pistols I do. I target shoot

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every once in a while. I am licensed and registered

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and trained. I keep them safely in a gun safe.

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They are not part of my identity. And here's a controversy.

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If there was a national ban or recall, I'd give

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them up because my guns are not part of my identity.

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I don't even really think about him. I don't sit

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around and have those fantasies. Or somebody breaks into my house,

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yeah they ain't leaving because I'm going to unload a

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magazine into him. There's a lot of people to get

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off on that kind of bravada, you know. And I'm

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thinking to myself, holy shit, if somebody broke in and

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endangered my family and it came down to lethal force

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to stop it, it would be a devastating, life altering,

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traumatizing event. I think any moral person would feel that

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way a life was taken, you had to exact violence

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against somebody else. I certainly certainly wouldn't be masturbating to

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the idea of doing it in front of all my friends.

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he wore a gun to an ICE arrest, didn't touch

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the gun, didn't certainly didn't draw the gun.

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Speaker 2: The New York Times published a frame by frame analysis

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of the video that was taken. And this is why

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Donald Trump wants to outlaw video of ICE activities, because

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right the party told you to reject the evidence of

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your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command,

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George Orwell. New video analysis reveals flawed and fatal decisions

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in shooting of Peretti. Now this is a week weak headline.

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The headline should say, new video analysis reveals that Alex

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Pretti was murdered by Ice, But frame by frame they

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showed he never touched his gun, never went for his gun.

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The gun was removed from his person by another agent

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before the armed agent drew his own gun and shot

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him in the back. Two agents unloaded ten bullets into

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Alex's body like that, and the gun was way far away.

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He was faced down, He was under everybody's knees and

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arms and fists. Pepper sprayed in the face for what

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for defending another protester, and the New York Times fairly

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analyzed the video and said he was not a threat.

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I believe that is a direct quote. You can watch

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frame by frame the video, and that rising tide of

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outrage continues mass protest. I just read that the next

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No Kings protest is going to happen in late March,

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and I believe the website is no Kings dot org

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or no Kings dot com. I'll be monitoring that, and

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as I am not traveling, I will definitely be out

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there on the streets. I got to figure out a

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new sign. Okay, you've heard me, babbel. Let's talk to

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our callers. Stand by, we will do that. Next kind

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of nice to get together and lean on each other,

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cry on each other. Shoulders vent just a little bit.

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What would you like to vent about. Let's go to

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the phones and talk to you. Rich is dialing in

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from five eight five? Rich? Are you with me?

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Speaker 1: Hey?

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Speaker 5: How you doing?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? What's up?

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Speaker 5: There's so many things you said that just my original

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thing as a black man. I've been even people who

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vote for from now, I've had some sort of say

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to me, well, you should get out there and protest,

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and honestly, many and I can't speak for the whole community,

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but many of us in the community have said, we've

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been telling you this for years, this is what's going

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to happen. For the most part, you can a lot

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of even political scientists say this. Black people are some

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of the most practical and the most studied voters out there.

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They know what's going to happen. They've had it happen

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to themselves over and over for decades, and many of

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us don't want to go out there anyway. Honestly, our

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attitude is, you know what, it's your turn. It's horrible

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what's happening. But my Hispanic friends who said, Yo, look

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what they're doing to us. But yet this is so man.

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These people are saying this to me are the ones

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who voted for Trump. I've also had some of my

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white friends who don't understand why they're not seeing as

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many Black people out there in the street. We've done

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this for decades. Our blood is on those streets, and

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many of us and I don't expect an answer.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: This is not a perfect strategy for us. I love

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what Christie is doing. You you and I have met

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I find you an amazing and I've told you this

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genuine man. But as Black people, we don't want to

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put up blood. And I hope people understand it. I

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don't think actually, I don't hope they understand it. If

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they don't understand that, that's on them. This is what's

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happened to this young man was horrible, the young lady,

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the children, all of this. This has been going on

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in the black community for decades.

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Speaker 2: From your experience, you think it is the majority of

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African Americans that say we're done, because I mean, I've

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seen across the color and culture palette out there, I've

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seen people standing together.

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Speaker 5: No, I'm not saying listen, that's why I said many.

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Speaker 2: That's all I say.

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Speaker 5: Okay, yeah, no, I stand in the sense of I

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see it. But if my son wants to go out there,

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my daughter wants to go out there'm and say don't

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do it, because when we go out there, we will

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be the first targeted. Unfortunately, what happened to these last

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two people because there was no one else out there.

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For my Hispanic friends who say I should go out there,

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and I tell them, but your vote was the one

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that was the one that pushed them over. So I

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the cynicism is growing. But to your point, there's a

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lot everything. I agree with everything you said to that,

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but I'm just speaking to that point. There are many

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of us who do we will sit, I'll vote, I'll say, yeah,

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you're right, I won't go out there on the lines anymore.

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I won't put myself there.

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Speaker 2: I do find my sympathy well as dried up. I

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feel I've changed. How can you not change? Yeah, I'm

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still in many ways of softy, but there is Cynical

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is a good word. You can't beat somebody over and

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over and expect scar tissue not to form. Right. And

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I'm at the point now where magas get no quarter

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from me. The excuse we didn't know or gosh, we

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didn't vote for this, or you know, we thought, well,

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no matter who he is, at least he is not

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a Democrat, or at least he's pro life hashtag pro life.

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There's no excuse. Ignorance is not an excuse. At this point,

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there's no quarter. I just have no sympathy. And Natalie

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and I have had that conversation. If somebody and you

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know who works in farming voted for Trump because they

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bought the bullshit and now they're bleeding to death because

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they're not getting subsidies or because you know, farming is

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being shipped overseas, etc. And they're like, oh my god,

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I'm going bankrupt. I kind of have this fuck around

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and find out attitude about it, and then I feel

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bad about it, and then I think, why do you

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feel bad? They brought it on themselves. Do you go

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through that, rich, do you have that conversation with yourself?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's part of it. That's the part of it.

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Even like for me, it's mostly Hispanic people because that's

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the Hispanic ment. I do interface a lot with them.

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And I remember when the election was coming up and

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I was saying, but do you think that when the

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stormtroopers hit the streets, you won't be grabbed? No, no,

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you won't do that. And the thing is, Beth, you're kind.

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You're saying they did it out of vacance. They don't

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do that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean some did. I think some are just

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straight out bigots. I think this whole thing's been a

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black light exposing the rot. You know, it's just exposed

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by the people who've been disgusting, the parents who taught

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their children all this stuff, right, They said, don't tell

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a lie, don't bully, don't love money, don't lust, be

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a person of honor, keep your word, go out and

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emulate the best. And then they turn around and vote

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for the rapist. I thought, well, you just betrayed that.

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You were an absolutely hypocrite from day one. So some

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are ignorant. I think some were just full of shit

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or they're just awful. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, And and so that's the lens that many and

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like I said, many of the black population. And like

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I said many, I didn't say all. I didn't even

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say the majority, but many are. It's like, we told

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you this. We've been telling you this every time, from

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the day the first time when you get the Reagan

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vote come in. We saw this happen. We've been saying

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it for years. And just like you will talk about

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you know people that well, who was it who said

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when Hitler was when he took power in Germany, Yeah,

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they will come for you sooner or later. And people said,

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now he would produce that. Guess what happened. He came

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for them. And I don't know where this ends. I

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don't know is this the beginning of the end of

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this American idea. Maybe it is.

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Speaker 2: Maybe it is.

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Speaker 5: That's the scary part. This may be the beginning of

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the end of the American idea.

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Speaker 2: How long do empires usually last? I think, you know,

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says theologist, and historians say, I usually got about two

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hundred and fifty years, and then you know, they just

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self destruct. I understand you can speak to this so

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much better than I can. I am definitely a man

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of privilege. You know, the world looks different for me.

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I walk out into this world, and I appreciate so

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much your perspective, and I understand it, and for what

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it's worth, I'm going to try to represent and make

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up for all the time I lost out.

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Speaker 5: There no real quick sere you go from your perspective?

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Did you? I know you because I've listened to you.

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I've heard you give the warning. But did you think

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it would happen so quickly?

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Speaker 2: I knew it would be bad? I had no idea

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it would be this dumb and this bad, this fast.

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You know, Trump always told us who was crazy? He

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always told us. But the second time around, Trump two

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point zero was so organized. They skipped the bumbling and

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the fumbling and the crazy mistakes and all the firings

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and the blame. You know, the first term was just

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a circus. This is a different kind of circus because

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we've seen that they learned from their mistakes. They found

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a way to just push through the worst of the

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worst and at every level, you know, the dismantling of

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the Department of Education and RFK Junior waging war on science.

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We see the media being run by the oligarch saying,

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you know what, we're done listening to the experts. We're

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going to listen to the people who get their health

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advice on TikTok and think they're going to get radiation

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poison from microwaving their mashed potatoes, right, We're going to

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listen to those people. Instead, we see we're going to

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fund the world's biggest secret police force and unleash them

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in American cities under the guys. I heard Christy nom

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say on face the nation that if Trump had not

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deployed some kind of forces, be it ice or otherwise,

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in Los Angeles, the entire city of LA would have

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burned to the ground. This is the type of blatant

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liar that these people that they have no scruples, They

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are ghouls. They are the worst of the worst. And

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I thought, well, it'd be bad. I'm so naive. I

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never thought it would be this bad. And it's not

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even the midterms, Rich, it's not even November twenty twenty six, yet,

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you know what I mean?

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Speaker 5: And what's scary the numbers. As much as everybody thinks

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it's going to be a flood bath for the Republicans

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when you look at the Senate and it's not looking

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like a blood bath for them in the Senate. So

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what does that say about the American populace.

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Speaker 2: This is another way the media has failed us when

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they say Donald Trump's approval ratings are at a near

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historic low, and they'll say his national approval rating is

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at thirty nine percent, and I'm like Jesus, that's not

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the headline. The headline is four out of ten Americans

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still want this guy despite all the shit that he's done.

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That's the headline. Yeah, it's crazy, it's crazy. Rich. It's

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nice to hear a voice of sanity out there, and

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I appreciate your kind Well to see.

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Speaker 5: You soon again.

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Speaker 2: I'll be around to see you soon again. I'll be around.

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We'll shake hands and catch up. Okay, Rich, Yeah, yeah,

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thanks again, We'll see you. Somebody in the chat mentioned

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that Forrest Valci, who by the way, is joining me

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with Erica on stage March seventh in Tulsa, read a

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poem that was relevant to the conversation. Well, far be

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it from me to let Forest VALKEI out do me

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on a broadcast. So let me pull this up. He

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read a poem called The Hangman by Maurice Ogden. Looks

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like it's three pages, would you indulge me? I'm gonna

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read it cold. I don't even know what it says.

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I just googled it real fast and I pulled it up.

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But apparently it has that fuck around and find out

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vibe to it. So let's see how the poem reads.

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It says, into our town, the hangman came smelling of

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gold and blood and flame, and he pasted our bricks

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with a different air, and built his frame on the

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courthouse square. The scaffold stood by the courthouse side, only

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as wide as the door was wide, a frame as

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tall or little more than the capping sill of the

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courthouse door. And we wondered, whenever we had the time,

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who the criminal, what the crime? The hangman judged with

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the yellow twist of knotted hemp in his busy fist,

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and innocent though we were with dread, we passed those eyes.

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A bunk shot led till one cried, hangman, who is he?

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Or whom you raise the gallows tree? Then a twinkle

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grew and the buck shot eye, and he gave us

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a riddle. Instead of reply, he who serves me best,

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said he shall earn the rope on the gallows tree.

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And he stepped down and laid his hand on a

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man who came from another land. And we breathed again

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for another's grief, as the hangman's hand was our relief,

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and the gallows frame on the courthouse lawn by tomorrow's

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sun would be struck and gone, so we gave him way,

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and no one spoke out of respect for his hangman's cloak.

472
00:28:04,079 --> 00:28:07,119
The next day sun looked mildly down on roof and

473
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,240
Street in our quiet town, and stark and black in

474
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:13,720
the morning air the gallows tree on the courthouse square,

475
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,759
and the hangman stood at his usual stand, with the

476
00:28:16,839 --> 00:28:20,400
yellow hemp in his busy hand, with his buckshot eye

477
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,279
and his jaw like a pike, and his air so

478
00:28:23,480 --> 00:28:27,519
knowing in business like, and we cried, hangman, have you

479
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:31,880
not done yesterday with the alien one? Then we fell

480
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:35,559
silent and stood amazed. Oh, not for him? Was the

481
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:40,160
gallows raised? He laughed a laugh as he looked at us.

482
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,880
Did you think I'd gone to all this foss to

483
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,640
hang one man? That's a thing I do, to stretch

484
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,319
the rope when the rope is new. Then one cried murderer,

485
00:28:51,559 --> 00:28:55,400
one cried shame. And into our midst the hangman came

486
00:28:55,559 --> 00:28:59,839
to that man's place. Do you hold? Said he with him,

487
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,559
And that's meant for the gallows tree. And he laid

488
00:29:03,599 --> 00:29:06,480
his hand on that one's arm, and we shrank back

489
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:09,680
in quick alarm, and we gave him way, and no

490
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:14,680
one spoke out of fear of his hangman's cloak. That

491
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:18,640
night we saw, with dreads surprise the hangman's scaffold had

492
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,720
grown in size, fed by the blood. Beneath the chute,

493
00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,680
the gallows tree had taken root, now as wide or

494
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,200
a little more than the steps that led to the

495
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,200
courthouse door, as tall as the writing, or nearly as tall.

496
00:29:34,599 --> 00:29:39,079
Halfway up on the courthouse wall. The third he took,

497
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:44,160
and we had all heard tell was a usurer and infidel,

498
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:47,640
And what said the hangman, have you to do with

499
00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:52,559
the gallows bound? And he a Jew? And we cried out,

500
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:56,200
is this one he who has served you well and faithfully?

501
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,880
The hangman smiled, it's a clever scheme to try the

502
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:05,720
strength of the gallows beam. The fourth man's dark, accusing

503
00:30:05,880 --> 00:30:09,720
song had scratched out comfort, hard and long. And what

504
00:30:10,079 --> 00:30:13,680
concern he gave us back? Have you for the doomed,

505
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:18,279
the doomed and black the fifth and sixth? And we

506
00:30:18,319 --> 00:30:22,720
cried again, hangman, hangman, is this the man? It's a trick?

507
00:30:22,799 --> 00:30:26,440
He said that we hangmen know for easing the trap

508
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:31,279
when the trap springs slow. So we ceased and asked

509
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:34,920
no more. As the hangman tallied his bloody score, and

510
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:38,440
by sun by sun and night by night, the gallows

511
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:42,920
grew to monstrous height. The wings of the scaffold opened

512
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,160
wide till they covered the square from side to side,

513
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:50,960
and the monster crossbeam, looking down, cast its shadow across

514
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:54,759
the town, Then through the town. The hangman came and

515
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:59,799
called in the empty streets my name. And I looked

516
00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:03,119
at the gallows soaring tall, and thought, there is no

517
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:07,599
one left at all for hanging, and so he calls

518
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,839
to me to help him pull down the gallows tree.

519
00:31:11,519 --> 00:31:14,319
And I went out with right good hope to the

520
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:18,880
hangman's tree and the hangman's rope. He smiled at me

521
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,039
as I came down to the courthouse square through the

522
00:31:22,119 --> 00:31:26,079
silent town and supple, and stretched in his busy hand

523
00:31:26,519 --> 00:31:30,480
was the yellow twist of the hempen strand. And he

524
00:31:30,559 --> 00:31:33,960
whistled his tune as he tried the trap, and it

525
00:31:34,119 --> 00:31:37,720
sprang down with a steady snap, And then with a

526
00:31:37,759 --> 00:31:43,000
smile of awful command, he laid his hand upon my hand.

527
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:48,319
You tricked me, hangman, I shouted then that your scaffold

528
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:52,480
was built for other men, and I know henchmen of yours,

529
00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:57,920
I cried, You lied to me, hangman foully lied. Then

530
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,759
a twinkle grew and the buckshot I lied to you,

531
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:06,039
tricked you? He said, not I, for I answered straight,

532
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,920
and I told you true. The scaffold was raised for

533
00:32:10,119 --> 00:32:13,920
none but you. For who has served me more faithfully

534
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:18,920
than you with your coward's hope? Said he? And where

535
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:21,640
are the others that might have stood side by your

536
00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:27,720
side in the common good? Dead? I whispered, and amiably

537
00:32:28,039 --> 00:32:33,240
murdered the Hangman corrected me. First the alien, then the Jew.

538
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:37,680
I did no more than you let me do. Beneath

539
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,359
the beam that blocked the sky, none had stood so

540
00:32:41,559 --> 00:32:46,160
alone as I and the Hangman strapped me, and no

541
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:52,039
voice there cried stay for me in the empty square.

542
00:32:55,079 --> 00:32:59,799
The Hangman by Maurice Ogden. I'd be curious to find

543
00:32:59,799 --> 00:33:02,279
out more. I don't know who Maurice Ogden is, or

544
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:04,640
the year that that was written, or the context that

545
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:10,920
it was written for. Wow, that's pretty amazing stuff. Adrian

546
00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,440
on a web call is next on the switchboard. Adrian,

547
00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:17,160
are you there? Hey?

548
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 6: Hello?

549
00:33:17,759 --> 00:33:19,559
Speaker 2: Set what is on your mind?

550
00:33:20,319 --> 00:33:23,119
Speaker 7: Just see in advance. I want to apologize because I'm

551
00:33:23,119 --> 00:33:28,000
not an English native speaker, But can I switch the topic. So,

552
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:32,559
when people compose a poem like this, most of them

553
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,480
are in a zone, like in a flow state, or

554
00:33:35,799 --> 00:33:39,839
inspired by a muse. Let's say what the ancient people

555
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:42,920
used to call them, the muse. You're inspired by somebody

556
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,200
to make music or do art. Let me know if

557
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:48,359
it's not understand BOK, Yeah.

558
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: I understand. Creators of any kind confined days when they're

559
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,960
at a brick wall. Nothing is happening creatively in their mind.

560
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,519
And then there are other times when it feels like

561
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:01,319
they are just going on one thousand miles an hour

562
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,920
and they're typing keyboard or their paint brush or their

563
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:08,119
instrument cannot keep up with all the imagination and the

564
00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:10,880
ideas that are flowing forth. They're in the zone. Yeah,

565
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,039
that's totally a real thing.

566
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,519
Speaker 7: What do you think people that have creative incline to

567
00:34:16,679 --> 00:34:20,360
make beautiful art? In your opinion, do you think that

568
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:24,119
the idea that motivates a great piece of art came

569
00:34:24,199 --> 00:34:26,519
to life from an idea?

570
00:34:26,639 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 2: This is probably a question best ask to neuroscientist, you know,

571
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:35,199
the brain understanding itself is kind of a meta question.

572
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:40,199
I think inspiration comes in many forms and in many ways,

573
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:44,920
because everybody's wired differently. When I'm looking to I'm not

574
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:48,519
a great artist or creator. I started making music again

575
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:52,800
right this year. I'm just an amateur songwriter and I

576
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,440
just play along mostly for distraction and to relax, especially

577
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,360
in this crazy world. I found myself doomed scrolling all

578
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,559
the time is producing and writing, and what helps me

579
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:05,800
is a long drive, you know, and then it just

580
00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:08,760
centers me. And sometimes I'll put some emotive music on

581
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:11,280
the radio and or on my you know, my phone

582
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,559
or whatever on bluetooth, and it takes me to a

583
00:35:13,639 --> 00:35:15,679
place and I might come back and find that the

584
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,960
ideas are coming so fast I can't keep up. I

585
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,440
think everybody gets there in a different way because they're

586
00:35:22,519 --> 00:35:27,039
wired in different ways. I don't know what causes inspiration

587
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,599
to happen. I think it's unique to the person.

588
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, thanks again, Sam for I think the old time

589
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,440
to speak with me, and I don't know. You're doing

590
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:40,840
the Lord's work trying to keep people off religion, and yeah,

591
00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:42,719
I'm good making them more aware.

592
00:35:43,199 --> 00:35:46,480
Speaker 2: I know you and I both have the same sense

593
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:49,280
of humor in that way. You know, I appreciate you.

594
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:54,840
We'll see you later. Yeah, five seven three, Phil, thank

595
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,199
you for your patience. Are you with us?

596
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 6: Hi?

597
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: This is Gil Gil, It said Phil on my Yeah,

598
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,400
my dear, I'm sorry about that, Gil dialing in at

599
00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:08,079
five seven, big problem, what's going on?

600
00:36:09,159 --> 00:36:12,760
Speaker 6: I just wanted to personally thank you. You will never

601
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,679
know a Treumentaly you were getting going tangle up from

602
00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,400
the church and religion about sixty five years ago. I

603
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:24,800
got the liberty was spoken four packs cigarettes today at

604
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:27,679
a full Gospel businessman meeting and I thought it was God.

605
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,400
I now know it was hypnosis, you know, but it

606
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:33,840
took a long time to figure that out. And I've

607
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,199
had so many church experiences that I still have lots

608
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,519
of things I can't answer, but moveabile got a long

609
00:36:40,559 --> 00:36:42,719
way to go. I had so many experiences in my life.

610
00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:46,400
I've done radio daily devotionals for seventy years, and we

611
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,079
did a cast that tic library over the world, did

612
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:51,719
all kinds of stuff. But I'm so glad to be

613
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,920
out of it. And you've been very instrumental, and it

614
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:54,920
just wanted to thank you.

615
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:57,679
Speaker 2: Well, You're most kind. I know the journey must have

616
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:00,599
been bumpy, but I'm glad you found your voice skill.

617
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 8: Well.

618
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 6: When I listened to you the verse game, to me,

619
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,199
you show known by their fruits, and I could sense

620
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,920
love and compassion if you'd talk with each person.

621
00:37:08,639 --> 00:37:11,159
Speaker 2: Well, thank you for that. Thank you for the kind words,

622
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,400
and all my best to you and yours.

623
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:15,079
Speaker 5: Okay, thank you very much.

624
00:37:15,119 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 2: All we see you. You will know me by my fruit.

625
00:37:19,159 --> 00:37:23,760
Sounds vaguely naughty. By the way, have I come to

626
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:26,360
that point in my life when everything becomes a double

627
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,960
on tundra? Now you find those people who do that,

628
00:37:30,039 --> 00:37:32,239
and I don't really want to become that. But who

629
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,800
is the comedian? And was talking about those who no

630
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:37,559
matter what you say, they can turn it into something naughty.

631
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:41,519
What's the example he used, Like somebody a woman comes

632
00:37:41,599 --> 00:37:43,599
up to the guy and she's like, wow, I really

633
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:45,800
need to get my tires rotated on my car, and

634
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,519
he's like, I'd like to rotate her tires. Right, there's

635
00:37:48,559 --> 00:37:55,079
always somebody who does that. I was playing tennis and

636
00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:58,280
my partner that they had put me with, and it

637
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,800
was kind of a mixer, had been hitting we call

638
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,199
them meat balls, right. They if you are playing doubles

639
00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:08,800
and you have a partner who hits weak sauce, they

640
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,079
hit a week week week shot over across the net.

641
00:38:12,639 --> 00:38:16,760
The opponent's net person is going to hit a punishing volley,

642
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:19,800
probably right at you, right at your eyeballs. You know,

643
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,679
they're not supposed to do that. They're supposed to hit

644
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,599
behind your feet, but they you will often just get killed.

645
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:27,119
So I'm talking to these people about the match and

646
00:38:27,159 --> 00:38:30,400
I'm like, dear God, my partner was hitting weak sauce

647
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,280
across the net and I was eating balls for ninety

648
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:39,320
minutes and when the laughter subsided. I'm like, oh, come on,

649
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:46,159
are you twelve? Lately I found myself doing the same thing.

650
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:50,920
I'm like, am I twelve? Eating balls for ninety minutes?

651
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,599
I guess I walked right into it, walked right into it. Yeah,

652
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:58,360
you're right, you're right in the chat, hells Bell says

653
00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:02,400
it's a riff on. That's that's what she said. That's

654
00:39:02,400 --> 00:39:05,840
what she said. There was another one and I didn't

655
00:39:06,039 --> 00:39:08,920
what was this was before we got this snow, and

656
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,400
I was like, looks like we're gonna get twelve inches

657
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:20,119
of the white stuff. And this guy, his name's Greg,

658
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,760
he just bust out laughing. I'm oblivious. I'm so freaking rude,

659
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:29,840
hit and like, what what? What's so funny? I walked

660
00:39:29,880 --> 00:39:33,920
right into it? Forgive me, forgive the digression. Gil, What

661
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,360
a lovely man. Thank you for the call. Ernest is

662
00:39:36,400 --> 00:39:39,960
dialing in from seven to one five. Hi, are you there?

663
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:44,039
Speaker 9: So I opened the gates of Hell in jail and

664
00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:44,920
got kicked out.

665
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: If you're interested, you opened the gates of hell and

666
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,119
they kicked you out of hell?

667
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,719
Speaker 9: Well, no, I was in jail and I opened the

668
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:58,719
gates of Hell and I got kicked out of jail. Sorry,

669
00:39:58,719 --> 00:39:59,519
I'm little nervous.

670
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:04,199
Speaker 2: Well, help me understand this. You're in jail. May I

671
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:04,840
ask for.

672
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 9: What unsafe burning?

673
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:10,920
Speaker 2: I guess arson?

674
00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:17,519
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, reduced to unsafe burning sinto is family property

675
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:19,119
and kind of my own stuff.

676
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,599
Speaker 2: Okay, you set shit on fire, and they sent you

677
00:40:23,639 --> 00:40:27,880
to jail, and then you were presented with the doorway

678
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:29,199
to hades.

679
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 9: I went to jail and I kind of only punched

680
00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:39,719
the jail door window hard enough to turn it into

681
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,960
a warp bubble or a bubble that turned into a

682
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:49,800
warp bubble for over sixty seconds and caused world ending earthquake.

683
00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:51,480
But it's kind of the same thing.

684
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 2: You caused the earthquake, an earthquake that was instigated by

685
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:01,360
you ramming against the door, which then turned what did

686
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,159
it turn into a bubble?

687
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,000
Speaker 9: And then it turned into a warp bubble?

688
00:41:05,119 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 2: Warp bubble? Okay, all right? And then how did hell

689
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:09,199
come into this?

690
00:41:10,119 --> 00:41:13,159
Speaker 9: Well they described it as the gates of Hell breaking open.

691
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:18,679
But you know, technically I only, you know, punched jail

692
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:20,639
into a earthquake.

693
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:27,599
Speaker 2: Okay. I'm honestly I'm unsure as to whether I'm supposed

694
00:41:27,639 --> 00:41:30,400
to continue here because somebody in the chat had a

695
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:33,920
good time about whether it's ethical to continue, because I'm

696
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:37,320
trying to figure out where you're coming from. So what

697
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,199
would you like me to do with this information?

698
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,280
Speaker 9: I'm sorry, it's just the beginning, and the police have

699
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,480
police reports of this to help corroborate the rest of

700
00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:50,239
my story. And the rest of my story is I

701
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,360
sleepwalk on the ceiling preaching hell player, also in jail.

702
00:42:01,119 --> 00:42:06,159
Speaker 2: Okay, well that's all I got, Ernest, thank you, I

703
00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:09,440
think for the call, and have a wonderful day.

704
00:42:09,559 --> 00:42:12,599
Speaker 9: Okay, that's normal. Thank you.

705
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 2: So if the person was genuinely untethered to reality, then

706
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,199
it becomes very problematic to continue to amuse myself with

707
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,480
a call. If it is someone trolling me, then I have,

708
00:42:28,639 --> 00:42:31,519
you know, more options. I can decide to screw you,

709
00:42:31,519 --> 00:42:34,559
You're wasting my time, or I can amuse myself by

710
00:42:34,599 --> 00:42:38,599
asking deep and probing questions like did the whatever the

711
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:42,800
membrane was when the thing lead to hades? Or you know,

712
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:46,760
was it just Northern Texas? I mean, so I don't know,

713
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:53,119
AJ dialing in to talk about ice high. AJ, what's up?

714
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:54,039
Speaker 6: Hey?

715
00:42:54,519 --> 00:42:57,199
Speaker 2: How you doing well? You know, I mean, everything's on

716
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:00,599
fire and people suck, But beyond that I'm she what

717
00:43:00,639 --> 00:43:01,760
do you want to chat about? AJ?

718
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,199
Speaker 8: Well, I guess at least we're not in home.

719
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well sort of. Yeah. What are you thinking?

720
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,920
What's on your mind? Yeah?

721
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,599
Speaker 8: I've been watching all the videos of Ice and these

722
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:18,280
homeloaded murders that have been happening on the street, and

723
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,599
they suddenly triggered a lot of childhood trauma for me.

724
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:25,400
I think you know that I was born in Argentina,

725
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,880
and when I was fifteen, I was still living there,

726
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:34,679
and Argentina was experiencing some pretty dangerous political turmoil and

727
00:43:35,480 --> 00:43:38,800
definitely a lot of civil un west at that time.

728
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:43,039
Because my parents could see what was coming, they decided

729
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,280
to sell everything that we owned with the purpose of

730
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:49,400
moving to the US, kind of chasing the American dream,

731
00:43:49,519 --> 00:43:52,559
you could say. And it happened on September tenth, two

732
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:55,320
thousand and one. So the next morning we wake up,

733
00:43:56,039 --> 00:43:58,880
my mom comes into the room. My sister and I

734
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,000
was were sleeping on mattress on the floor, and my

735
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:07,400
mom quietly guided us to the kitchen, where we had

736
00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:11,239
this tiny little TV that was pretty much most of

737
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,760
what we had left, and we watched in horror as

738
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:22,239
between towers of them I can't even remember anyone saying anything.

739
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:27,480
We were probably all speechless. Soon after that, we were

740
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:30,159
finally able to most the US all of these to

741
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:34,679
say that my family fled these kale, this violence, the starvation,

742
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:39,440
the political and west in hopes for a better life.

743
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,119
And I did grow up here in the US. I

744
00:44:42,119 --> 00:44:44,880
got married, I had a child. I became a citizen

745
00:44:45,239 --> 00:44:48,559
less than a year ago, something that I always assumed

746
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:52,000
would give me a sense of belonging or safety. But

747
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:55,519
it doesn't feel that way anymore. It doesn't. It feels

748
00:44:55,559 --> 00:44:58,679
like it's I just have this piece of people that's

749
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:04,719
completely worthless. And my heart is breaking because we fled

750
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:11,079
here in hopes of finding peace or stability, and it's

751
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:16,320
really sad that instead it has become what we were fleeing.

752
00:45:17,639 --> 00:45:23,000
And I feel torn because we're considering living the US again.

753
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,199
I don't want to go. I want to go, but

754
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:27,679
I don't want to go like I don't want to

755
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:32,960
leave these amazing friendships and family that I have built here.

756
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:36,039
I don't want to leave people fighting alone because I

757
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:38,880
see the people that are fighting, But at the same time,

758
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,559
it's like, who wants to live just fighting? And I

759
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:45,320
guess that's the part what I'm tring like. I want

760
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:49,639
this place to be what we hoped when we arrived,

761
00:45:49,719 --> 00:45:52,000
you know, about twenty five is years ago.

762
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:56,119
Speaker 2: This is the dilemma. I wish I could tell the future.

763
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:58,840
I could make a decision, Natalie. And it's funny, we

764
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:02,519
were talking about leaving the United States, and all of

765
00:46:02,559 --> 00:46:05,440
a sudden, out of the blue, on my phone, I

766
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,480
started getting social media ads that say, immigrate to Canada.

767
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,840
And I'm like, my phone is spying on me. But

768
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:15,599
we've talked about where we would go. And I think

769
00:46:15,639 --> 00:46:17,960
if I could only tell the future, would there be

770
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,599
a course correction, call it the midterms? Would there be

771
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:26,719
some regulator that begins to stem the tide. Will the

772
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,039
bad cholesterol kick in and Trump finally keels over and

773
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:33,920
the cult doesn't go for JD. Vance who has the

774
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:37,480
charisma of a lawn chair. Or is it going to

775
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,440
be another half decade or more of violence and murder

776
00:46:41,519 --> 00:46:45,119
and chaos and lies and grift and everything else. Because

777
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,679
knowing the answer to the question of how long and

778
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,719
how bad would help us understand what decision to make.

779
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,559
And yet we are not clairvoyant. We do not see

780
00:46:54,599 --> 00:46:58,320
the future. And you articulate. I think a conversation many

781
00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:01,440
people are having. If I knew how bad, how much

782
00:47:01,519 --> 00:47:03,840
worse rather it was going to get and for how long,

783
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,440
I would know what play to call on the field

784
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:09,960
right now. But we simply do not. Now. All I

785
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,480
know is my heart breaks for you. I wish you

786
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:14,920
know what was that quote by Martin Luther King Junior.

787
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,440
I criticize America because I love her. I want her

788
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:20,760
to be a shining example to the world. And I

789
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:22,239
think that's how you feel.

790
00:47:22,079 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 8: Right, That's a perfect way to put it. Yeah, because

791
00:47:25,199 --> 00:47:29,480
we came here with those hopes of finding a place

792
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:34,280
that wasn't the chaotic and authoritarian regime that we had

793
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:38,480
in Argentina, and it's like seeing the same story play

794
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:44,719
out again. I keep choking up whenever I talk about this.

795
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,079
It's just really, really heartbreaking, and it's such a hard

796
00:47:48,119 --> 00:47:52,039
decision to make because again I do have this opportunity

797
00:47:52,119 --> 00:47:55,519
to flee again to a better place. But I'm like,

798
00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:59,840
I came here not to leave everything behind, not to

799
00:48:00,159 --> 00:48:02,280
displaced behind. I think this is two place that I

800
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:03,039
thought would be it.

801
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,639
Speaker 2: So I'm going to read something for you after this call,

802
00:48:07,800 --> 00:48:11,320
so keep listening. It was a piece that was posted

803
00:48:11,320 --> 00:48:13,760
by Robert Right, just a I don't know a few

804
00:48:14,039 --> 00:48:17,199
months ago that I hadn't forgotten, and while I was listening,

805
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:19,199
I took the liberty of pulling it up. Maybe it

806
00:48:19,239 --> 00:48:21,159
will speak to what you and I are feeling and

807
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:24,320
thinking now. But in the meantime, huge hug from Natalie

808
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:25,239
and me and the kids.

809
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,000
Speaker 8: Okay, thank you something, he said.

810
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:34,639
Speaker 2: See you later. This was posted as a Sunday thought

811
00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:40,239
in October of last year by Robert Reich. America's trauma.

812
00:48:40,639 --> 00:48:43,880
We need to talk about it openly, he said. Friends,

813
00:48:43,920 --> 00:48:46,400
I'd like to talk with you about a difficult subject.

814
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,320
A significant number of you are disoriented by what Trump

815
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,559
and his lap dogs are doing. Many are deeply anxious.

816
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:58,480
Some of us are depressed. For years, medical experts have

817
00:48:58,599 --> 00:49:03,280
recommended that Americans be screened for anxiety disorders. But what

818
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:06,320
many of us are feeling now is not a personal disorder.

819
00:49:06,639 --> 00:49:09,880
It's a rational response to a nation that's becoming ever

820
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:14,280
more disordered. What we are experiencing is not a sickness

821
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:18,920
or individual distress. It's a sensible reaction to a society

822
00:49:19,039 --> 00:49:24,400
becoming sicker and more stressed. Trump and the enablers around him.

823
00:49:24,480 --> 00:49:28,599
Aren't just violating the Constitution and disregarding laws. They're not

824
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:33,199
merely doing cruel and vindictive things. They're also spreading fear

825
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,239
and fueling hate. This fear and hate are harming every

826
00:49:37,639 --> 00:49:41,760
one of us, even the shrinking minority who support the regime.

827
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:47,000
Hate is a corrosive that eventually consumes the haters. Fear

828
00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:51,719
breeds more fear, which causes everyone to be afraid. The

829
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,840
harm may continue long after the reasons to fear and

830
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:58,840
sources of hate have passed into history. I have a

831
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:01,880
friend who suffered trauma at the hands of abusive parents.

832
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,920
She spent much of her life trying to cope with

833
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,920
that trauma, trying not to let it rule and ruin

834
00:50:08,119 --> 00:50:12,239
her life. Another friend is the child of a Holocaust survivor.

835
00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:15,119
He has spent much of his life trying to escape

836
00:50:15,159 --> 00:50:18,719
the ghosts of relatives he never knew who were murdered

837
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:22,519
by the Nazis, whose deaths have cast a dark shadow

838
00:50:22,679 --> 00:50:26,800
over his own life. Most of us are fortunate enough

839
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:30,360
not to have suffered childhood trauma from abusive parents or

840
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,320
been raised in the dark shadow of the Holocaust or

841
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,480
other horrors, but most of us are now suffering a

842
00:50:36,519 --> 00:50:40,519
trauma of a different sort, from an abusive president and

843
00:50:40,639 --> 00:50:43,960
his lap dogs, and from the dark shadow of fear

844
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,800
and hate they've cast. Just as with my friends, many

845
00:50:47,880 --> 00:50:51,679
of us now feel powerless and afraid. We don't recognize

846
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:58,360
our nation. We are disoriented, vulnerable, anxious. Trump apologists call

847
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,760
it Trump derangement syndrome, but the actual derangement is in

848
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:06,519
and around the Oval Office. I don't think we're talking

849
00:51:06,679 --> 00:51:10,559
enough about the national trauma most of us are now enduring.

850
00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:13,960
Some of you may assume there's something wrong with you

851
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:17,920
when you can't sleep or awaken feeling anxious. You may

852
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,199
feel alone in this. You should be aware of how

853
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:27,199
widespread and reasonable your reaction is. Trump's cruelty and vengeance

854
00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:30,039
will pass. Years from now. We'll look back on this

855
00:51:30,079 --> 00:51:34,880
as a terrible period in America's history. Our nation will survive,

856
00:51:35,679 --> 00:51:38,360
but the fear and hate he has sown could cause

857
00:51:38,639 --> 00:51:43,559
lasting blight. Recognizing this, being aware of the toll it's

858
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:47,199
taking and will continue to take on us even years

859
00:51:47,199 --> 00:51:51,320
from now, is important to our eventual recovery, that of

860
00:51:51,360 --> 00:51:55,239
our loved ones, and the recovery of our nation and

861
00:51:55,800 --> 00:52:00,679
the world. I thought that was relevant. I hope it

862
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:06,039
was relevant for you. There is so much more show

863
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,679
still to come. Plenty of people on the switchboard. We'll

864
00:52:09,679 --> 00:52:19,880
find out what they have to say after this. Coming

865
00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,519
up next week, I'm going to have an interesting conversation

866
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:27,400
with someone who calls herself a spiritual atheist. Now, hang on,

867
00:52:27,800 --> 00:52:30,880
hang on, all right, hang on, I get it. I

868
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:33,920
understand there are challenges with the word spiritual, but a

869
00:52:33,960 --> 00:52:36,840
lot of people embrace it. She is a deconstruction and

870
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:40,760
religious trauma coach. Her name is Britt Hartley. She was

871
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:44,480
brought to my attention by Casey Malone, who I interviewed

872
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:46,679
last year. So I want to talk about this whole

873
00:52:46,719 --> 00:52:51,519
spiritual atheism thing and a whole lot more with Britt Hartley.

874
00:52:51,599 --> 00:52:55,159
That is coming up next week. Right now, we talk

875
00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:00,320
to you, Steve, dialing in from nine to seven zero.

876
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:03,519
Thanks for your patients. Are you there, Yeah, I'm here.

877
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:04,400
Speaker 4: Can you hear me?

878
00:53:04,559 --> 00:53:06,159
Speaker 2: I can? What's up? What's on your mind?

879
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,840
Speaker 4: I just wanted to speak about, you know, our political

880
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:14,199
system in general, to say that everybody's crying about how

881
00:53:14,199 --> 00:53:17,519
we're going to lose our democracy. In fact, it's been

882
00:53:17,559 --> 00:53:21,480
a corrupt system since day one. If you think about

883
00:53:21,519 --> 00:53:25,239
the idea that somebody can be elected to president of

884
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,400
the United States and the only qualifications they have to

885
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,519
have is to be born in this country and be

886
00:53:30,599 --> 00:53:35,400
over thirty five years of age. That's ridiculous. All the senators,

887
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:40,880
congress people, there's no term limits, they can you know.

888
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:43,559
The fact is that these people don't have to be

889
00:53:43,639 --> 00:53:46,360
qualified to do the job that they're elected for. There

890
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:50,519
are no qualifications except for being an American citizen. And

891
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:53,840
so it's ripe for corruption and all has been and

892
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,400
maybe what's happening now is we're going to have a

893
00:53:57,440 --> 00:53:59,280
wake up call here saying wait a maute, we have

894
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,039
to change this system. This, this, this is ridiculous. The

895
00:54:03,039 --> 00:54:07,039
fact that how much money does it cost to become

896
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:10,920
elected to any any position, especially in the federal government.

897
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:14,400
Millions of dollars, you know, so when these people are

898
00:54:14,599 --> 00:54:17,639
bought and paid for before they ever take the office.

899
00:54:17,719 --> 00:54:21,960
And finally people are waking up to that fact. I

900
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:25,039
guess I don't know. If you look at Trump, for example,

901
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:28,679
he's an idiot, he's a buffoon. Why would a guy

902
00:54:28,840 --> 00:54:33,000
his age who has billions of dollars supposedly do not

903
00:54:33,199 --> 00:54:36,239
want to be out playing golf? And you know, chasing

904
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:40,039
young girls around or whatever he does. But why in

905
00:54:40,079 --> 00:54:42,199
the world would this guy want to be president? And

906
00:54:42,519 --> 00:54:45,440
it's obvious that you know, he's being used. He's a

907
00:54:45,599 --> 00:54:49,400
he's a what we call a useful idiot. But I

908
00:54:49,559 --> 00:54:53,800
you know, maybe Putin is behind it, but obviously he bankrupted.

909
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:56,559
I don't know how many times he's he owes these

910
00:54:56,599 --> 00:55:00,199
people and they have, you know, the main thing right

911
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:02,599
now is to keep him out of jail, so he's

912
00:55:02,719 --> 00:55:05,159
propped up. He's put up there. I don't think he

913
00:55:05,199 --> 00:55:08,639
wants to be president. He wants to be adored in worship.

914
00:55:09,039 --> 00:55:12,280
But right now he's kind of stuck and he's losing

915
00:55:12,320 --> 00:55:16,400
his mind obviously, and he's just being propped up by

916
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:21,199
the billionaires and the oligarchs. I don't know. You know,

917
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:27,360
how much more can the American people believe that Trump

918
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:29,679
is actually legitimate in any way?

919
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:32,000
Speaker 2: Well, I think this is a case of many things

920
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:33,960
can be true at the same time. I certainly know

921
00:55:34,039 --> 00:55:36,400
that he is a useful idiot for the Project twenty

922
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,840
twenty five types and the oligarchs. They want to use

923
00:55:39,840 --> 00:55:42,400
and abuse the system for their own gain. I think

924
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,320
he ran in twenty sixteen to buttress his own brand.

925
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:47,360
I really don't think he even thought he would win,

926
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:50,519
But he's an attention hog. Is so a chance for

927
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:53,119
him to go out and get even more attention, and

928
00:55:53,159 --> 00:55:55,880
then whenever he was elected, he was able to use

929
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:58,320
it to further and enrich himself. I think the number

930
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,719
is now three plus billion dollars added to his net

931
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:06,199
worth since he became president in twenty sixteen. So you know,

932
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:09,440
he's smart enough to be able to grift, but he's

933
00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:12,920
also being used by others to establish what I think

934
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:17,559
is both an oligarchy and an American gilead. And I

935
00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:19,360
don't know when the tide's going to turn. I've been

936
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:22,360
thinking it'd turn every five minutes for the last ten years.

937
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:22,559
Speaker 6: Ah.

938
00:56:22,639 --> 00:56:25,119
Speaker 2: This will be the straw that broke the camel's back. Ah,

939
00:56:25,199 --> 00:56:27,639
this will be the point of no return. This is

940
00:56:27,679 --> 00:56:30,239
beyond the pale. Now people are going to actually come

941
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,079
to their senses. And it just hasn't happened. The guy

942
00:56:33,159 --> 00:56:36,559
still polling in the upper thirty percentile. I don't know

943
00:56:36,599 --> 00:56:39,519
if we're going to survive it, Steve, but you're right,

944
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,519
the most qualified people want nothing to do with the office,

945
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:44,960
so we're stuck with the leftovers. And a bi camera

946
00:56:45,119 --> 00:56:47,280
system where it's A or B. I understand it.

947
00:56:47,679 --> 00:56:53,800
Speaker 4: Well, would happened if every single American is working American

948
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:58,599
decided all of us say for one full week, we're

949
00:56:58,639 --> 00:57:00,519
not going to go to work, We're not going to

950
00:57:00,599 --> 00:57:03,599
pay our taxes, we're not gonna we're not going to

951
00:57:03,679 --> 00:57:06,800
participate in this system anymore. We're going to shut down

952
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,960
this guy. We're meant to reform it. What would happen?

953
00:57:09,119 --> 00:57:10,320
You think that would work?

954
00:57:10,960 --> 00:57:14,159
Speaker 2: How do you heard those cats? And again, what's that

955
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:17,400
line from what movie? A person is smart, but people

956
00:57:17,400 --> 00:57:20,159
are dumb? I don't know if that's that's not always true,

957
00:57:20,159 --> 00:57:24,280
but you never underestimate the stupidity of people in large groups.

958
00:57:24,679 --> 00:57:28,159
We are a country that everybody's got an opinion, very

959
00:57:28,159 --> 00:57:31,440
few have an informed one, And somehow we're all going

960
00:57:31,519 --> 00:57:35,119
to become a monolith and opt out of the oligarchical

961
00:57:35,199 --> 00:57:38,880
system and say piss off to Amazon and stop watching

962
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,760
CBS and Disney and all that stuff. In mass I

963
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:45,800
do think that we have seen instances where people have

964
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:50,679
protested with their dollars. Money talks, the lack of money talks,

965
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:55,639
and we did see Disney reverse its suspension of Colbert

966
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:59,519
was it Colbert or Kimmel. No, they canceled Colbert, but

967
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:01,920
they took Kimmel off the air, and all of a

968
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,440
sudden people said screw you, and they canceled Disney Hulu

969
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:07,360
and it was just a few days where they said,

970
00:58:07,679 --> 00:58:10,239
oh sorry, and they brought him back on the air.

971
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,239
So I mean, there is merit to voting with our

972
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,559
dollars because money talks. But getting everybody on board, good

973
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:16,599
luck with that, Steve.

974
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:21,719
Speaker 4: Well, okay, I don't know what the solution is then,

975
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,559
because it we.

976
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:27,039
Speaker 2: Grab good tens of millions of our fellow Americans by

977
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:30,239
the shoulders and we shake them vigorously and say, what

978
00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:34,320
the hell is wrong with you? That's what I fantasize about, Steve.

979
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:37,559
Speaker 4: Maybe this is all part of God's plan and the

980
00:58:37,639 --> 00:58:40,000
Rapture's coming anyway, so who cares? Right?

981
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:44,280
Speaker 2: Yeah? The Lord works in mysterious ways, Steve Wise words,

982
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,400
good theology, Thanks for colling. We'll catch you later, brother, Yeah,

983
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,199
thank you, see you soon. So many people call as

984
00:58:52,239 --> 00:58:56,079
if I'm a wise person. How do we fix the world?

985
00:58:56,159 --> 00:59:00,760
Seth I did. Yeah, I'm stuck like you are. I

986
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:03,159
sit in the corner of my house and go don't

987
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:06,480
give up on people. There are still good people. Don't

988
00:59:06,519 --> 00:59:09,800
give up on people. They're still good people. I say

989
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:12,119
it over and over again, and then I just flip.

990
00:59:12,239 --> 00:59:22,079
People suck. People suck, There are still good people. More

991
00:59:22,119 --> 00:59:24,360
than one thing can be true at the same time.

992
00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:28,960
There are people who are honoring the murder victims Renee

993
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:31,880
Good and Alex Pretty, and there are people who are

994
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:34,960
calling them domestic terrorists who had it coming, so hey

995
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:38,119
shoot him in the face. There are good people and

996
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:42,360
people suck. Both things are true at the same time.

997
00:59:44,039 --> 00:59:45,960
Nine five one. I don't see a name.

998
00:59:46,239 --> 00:59:48,199
Speaker 3: Hi, Hi, Karan?

999
00:59:48,920 --> 00:59:49,360
Speaker 2: What's up?

1000
00:59:49,639 --> 00:59:49,920
Speaker 7: Are you?

1001
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:50,199
Speaker 5: Seth?

1002
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:51,679
Speaker 2: I'm good? What's what's happening?

1003
00:59:52,159 --> 00:59:55,519
Speaker 3: I thought i'd give a palid cleanser because of course

1004
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:58,000
I'm outraged with the ice situation and everything else that's

1005
00:59:58,039 --> 01:00:03,320
been happening. Well, I want go to paranormal And when

1006
01:00:03,360 --> 01:00:05,519
I say that I'm an atheist.

1007
01:00:05,159 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 6: I'm a skeptic.

1008
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:09,760
Speaker 3: But all these have witnesses, and I thought I'd start

1009
01:00:09,800 --> 01:00:12,679
with my first encounters with strange things.

1010
01:00:13,079 --> 01:00:14,199
Speaker 2: What strange things?

1011
01:00:15,159 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 3: Okay, The first thing is when I was a child,

1012
01:00:17,519 --> 01:00:21,280
I had abnormal attraction from animals. When I say abnormal,

1013
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:24,199
we had a woods behind our development, and we used

1014
01:00:24,239 --> 01:00:26,320
to go there all the time, and there's a little

1015
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,519
creek that went through there. We used to catch pollywogs

1016
01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:30,840
and we built a fort back there. Just had a

1017
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,559
good time with the kids in my neighborhood. But every

1018
01:00:33,559 --> 01:00:36,159
time I went, all the animals came around. When I

1019
01:00:36,159 --> 01:00:40,000
say all the animals, I mean a deer, a rabbit, monks,

1020
01:00:40,519 --> 01:00:43,960
different animals would come together, raccoons, and they'd all be

1021
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,000
in the same space around us, and we'd all be

1022
01:00:46,079 --> 01:00:50,880
petting them and they'd become Now I thought, well that's normal.

1023
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:56,199
Apparently it's not. And I got really popular among these kids.

1024
01:00:56,199 --> 01:00:58,199
You got to come with us, because apparently when they go,

1025
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,199
this didn't happen. But when I go, they'd happened. And

1026
01:01:01,239 --> 01:01:03,880
I had tracted animals for a very long time. They

1027
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:07,360
just come to me. That's one weird thing. Don't have

1028
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:10,599
any explanation for it. That's just one of many weird things.

1029
01:01:11,320 --> 01:01:13,400
Did you when I was about six years old.

1030
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:16,440
Speaker 2: Did you buy a chance like rub your skin and

1031
01:01:16,559 --> 01:01:18,119
lunch meat or something.

1032
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,239
Speaker 3: No, I could have been something like hormonal that attracted them.

1033
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:25,840
But to have all these desperate animals come together in

1034
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,639
a place where they weren't afraid of each other, and

1035
01:01:28,679 --> 01:01:31,000
they were all friendly with us like that, and all

1036
01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:33,880
the kids could pet them and stuff at the deer.

1037
01:01:34,039 --> 01:01:37,840
I especially loved petting the deer and it would jump

1038
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,039
on me. And I had other Like I said, throughout

1039
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:43,320
my childhood, I had animals. I had birds come sit

1040
01:01:43,400 --> 01:01:46,280
on me, and butterflies were all over me all the time,

1041
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:46,840
all kinds of.

1042
01:01:47,400 --> 01:01:50,079
Speaker 2: Hang on, hang on, you got to forgive me. And

1043
01:01:50,119 --> 01:01:53,000
I don't mean this as an insult, this sounds like bullshit.

1044
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:57,239
You sat down and the deer frolicked out and let

1045
01:01:57,239 --> 01:01:59,920
you pet them, and birds lit on your shoulder or

1046
01:02:00,039 --> 01:02:02,800
on your fingers, and chipmunks came out of the woods

1047
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:04,239
the same time.

1048
01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:06,280
Speaker 3: That was not at the same time. I'm just saying

1049
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:11,000
the small animals the dear being the biggest. And I

1050
01:02:11,039 --> 01:02:14,400
had witnesses all the time, and I didn't know that

1051
01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:17,199
it was me they wanted there, not because they liked me,

1052
01:02:17,400 --> 01:02:20,119
because I could bring the animals around them. That was

1053
01:02:20,159 --> 01:02:23,960
just one of many things that happened. I also had

1054
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:30,119
three ufone calenders, all witnesses, all very different. And then

1055
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:33,639
I also witnessed a ghosts which was with other people,

1056
01:02:34,480 --> 01:02:37,480
so that's the three things, And if you want any

1057
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:39,360
details on any of those, I could give you those

1058
01:02:39,519 --> 01:02:41,920
and you can make your assessment of that. I don't

1059
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:45,239
have any explanation for why any of this stuff has happened.

1060
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:48,079
I'm just telling you I had witnesses and we all

1061
01:02:48,119 --> 01:02:50,239
confirmed we saw the same things.

1062
01:02:51,079 --> 01:02:55,920
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I think I'm good. But thank you for

1063
01:02:55,960 --> 01:02:58,400
sharing that. I appreciate the call very much.

1064
01:02:59,199 --> 01:03:02,400
Speaker 3: But do you have a an opinion yourself and why

1065
01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:06,280
things that I can't explain from the known physics and

1066
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:11,519
chemistry and biology and anthropology that we know of, neurology.

1067
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 6: All this stuff.

1068
01:03:12,679 --> 01:03:15,480
Speaker 3: Why all these things happened to me and other people

1069
01:03:15,519 --> 01:03:17,159
have never seen any of this stuff?

1070
01:03:17,639 --> 01:03:20,400
Speaker 2: Well, all I know is that you told me they

1071
01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,840
happened to you. I don't know they happened to you. Secondly,

1072
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:27,000
there is a lot of science that has been done

1073
01:03:27,079 --> 01:03:32,639
about the unwrought reliability of eyewitness testimony. We know about

1074
01:03:32,679 --> 01:03:35,639
the subjective's human brain. We know that there are a

1075
01:03:35,679 --> 01:03:39,920
great many factors that can influence perception. And until we

1076
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:43,360
can test whatever those, you know you saw something that

1077
01:03:43,519 --> 01:03:47,800
was a UFO or an AEP. Unidentified is the key

1078
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:50,960
word here. I can't speak to it. I wasn't.

1079
01:03:51,400 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 3: I can tell you what I saw, and I can

1080
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:56,039
tell you what these witnesses claimed that they saw. I

1081
01:03:56,079 --> 01:03:59,679
can only tell you that I'm not saying that you

1082
01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:00,920
should believe that I.

1083
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:01,480
Speaker 6: Saw this stuff.

1084
01:04:01,519 --> 01:04:04,960
Speaker 3: What I'm saying is from my personal experience, and I

1085
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:08,199
know it's unreliable. I know I'm just a witness and

1086
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:12,679
my witnesses we saw something. Could it be massed illusion, sure,

1087
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:16,960
but all these different things happening to one person with

1088
01:04:17,079 --> 01:04:18,360
witnesses is strange.

1089
01:04:19,199 --> 01:04:23,400
Speaker 2: And you saw something? What was the something?

1090
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:26,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, well I thought it. The most interesting one to

1091
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:31,440
me was the UFO that I saw that I called interdimensional.

1092
01:04:31,800 --> 01:04:33,440
And the reason I say that is because it was

1093
01:04:33,519 --> 01:04:36,239
see through. I could see the trees behind it. And

1094
01:04:36,280 --> 01:04:39,719
I was with one other person, and I had talked

1095
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:44,039
to someone who I ran into was from North with Grumman,

1096
01:04:44,119 --> 01:04:45,960
and I explained what it looked like, and it looked

1097
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,000
like a negative but I can kind of see through it,

1098
01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:52,280
and he goes, well, I obviously can't. I have my

1099
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:54,400
own things that I can't discuss. I said, I'm not

1100
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:59,559
asking for specifics, but it doesn't sound like something from

1101
01:04:59,559 --> 01:05:02,639
what you that is at all possible in what you

1102
01:05:02,679 --> 01:05:05,559
know about physics, because well, actually he explained that few

1103
01:05:05,559 --> 01:05:08,440
physics things is, if you were to see something interdimensional,

1104
01:05:08,519 --> 01:05:10,599
it would look like a negative. I said, had the

1105
01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:12,800
portals and had this, and you know, I explained everything

1106
01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:14,880
to him. He goes, let's just say you're on the

1107
01:05:14,960 --> 01:05:18,079
right track, but I can't give you any specifics. So

1108
01:05:18,159 --> 01:05:21,440
that's all I got from him. You know, obviously I'm

1109
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,800
not going to ask him to divulge things he's not

1110
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:27,840
allowed to divulge. Let's face it, the government hides things.

1111
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:29,760
I don't know what they hide. You know, I'm not

1112
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:32,440
privy to that either, just like you aren't privy to that.

1113
01:05:33,159 --> 01:05:33,880
Speaker 10: But I don't know.

1114
01:05:34,199 --> 01:05:35,039
Speaker 6: I have these.

1115
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:38,159
Speaker 3: Experiences that I haven't been It wasn't negated, I mean,

1116
01:05:38,199 --> 01:05:40,599
it was confirmed by other people.

1117
01:05:41,199 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 2: Let's take the Okham's Raiser approach and ask the question,

1118
01:05:45,239 --> 01:05:49,039
is it more likely that these are inter dimensional beings

1119
01:05:49,039 --> 01:05:52,760
that have been either hidden by or manipulated by a

1120
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:56,960
secret branch of the United States government? Or there was

1121
01:05:57,039 --> 01:05:59,840
something that was semi opaque that you saw on this

1122
01:06:00,039 --> 01:06:03,199
sky that you simply don't know what it was.

1123
01:06:03,199 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 10: Wasn't it the sky?

1124
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,440
Speaker 3: It was right next to me. It was literally three

1125
01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:07,280
feet away from me.

1126
01:06:08,119 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 2: Was it a light? Was it a kite? Was it

1127
01:06:11,400 --> 01:06:13,800
a drone? Was it a hummingbird?

1128
01:06:14,760 --> 01:06:18,519
Speaker 3: It was a ship. It looked like, not exactly a saucer,

1129
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:22,360
but close to a saucer type ship looking thing with portals.

1130
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 2: All right, a ship with portals. Okay, Well, I have

1131
01:06:27,079 --> 01:06:30,719
no idea how to address this other than I must

1132
01:06:30,719 --> 01:06:33,599
take it like I take all accounts that are based

1133
01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:39,119
on personal testimony, and I witness quote unquote corroboration. Interesting story,

1134
01:06:39,159 --> 01:06:41,679
but I can't do much with it myself. Okay, I just.

1135
01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 3: Thought it the interesting other than our national despair, right now,

1136
01:06:46,039 --> 01:06:49,639
that's weird. Things happen, and I just I think all

1137
01:06:49,679 --> 01:06:52,960
things are natural, but I just can't explain all things

1138
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,639
as most people can't.

1139
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 2: Well, I've given you what i've got, and it's not much.

1140
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,599
My apologies for that, but thank.

1141
01:06:59,519 --> 01:07:03,320
Speaker 3: You for the no no problem, no, no problem.

1142
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:07,519
Speaker 2: All right, we'll see you later. UFO appeared three feet

1143
01:07:07,639 --> 01:07:10,199
in front of me, and it was a saucer with windows,

1144
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:13,159
and it was semi opaque. I could see the trees,

1145
01:07:13,199 --> 01:07:17,320
and so it might have been entered dimensional and possibly

1146
01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:21,880
part of a government. Though I don't know what to

1147
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:24,320
do with it. I don't know what to do with that.

1148
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:27,039
Joyce is darling in two o five. Joyce, thanks for

1149
01:07:27,079 --> 01:07:28,960
your patients? Are you there?

1150
01:07:29,519 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 10: Oh no, you're the hi. Hi, You're the patient one.

1151
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:39,239
You're the patience and you're so diplomatic. This is why

1152
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,639
I love listening to you. Okay, but anyway, let me

1153
01:07:42,679 --> 01:07:45,519
not review what was I was so glad when it

1154
01:07:45,559 --> 01:07:47,880
was over. I apologize to the woman. But you know,

1155
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:51,000
people believe what they're going to believe, and you cannot

1156
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:54,679
tell them anything different. Anyway, I just want you to

1157
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,159
know I'm an eighty year old woman. I love life,

1158
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:02,480
but this is spend the most difficult time in my life.

1159
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:06,280
But I want to lead. Just a simple quote that

1160
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:09,199
I write down because I try to look at positive

1161
01:08:09,239 --> 01:08:12,239
things as well as keeping up with the news, and

1162
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:16,720
it says life is like a journey taking on a

1163
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:21,239
train with a pair of travelers at each window pane.

1164
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:26,359
I may sit beside you, good folks, the whole journey through,

1165
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:31,960
or I may sit elsewhere, never knowing you. But if

1166
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:37,439
fate would have us all to sit there side by side, let's.

1167
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 5: Be pleasant travelers.

1168
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 10: Because it's such a short old drive. That's lovely and

1169
01:08:46,039 --> 01:08:49,760
that's what I loved it. Like I said, I listened

1170
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:54,760
to so many different things, and I was raised not completely,

1171
01:08:54,880 --> 01:08:58,319
but in those formative years like you, and I got

1172
01:08:58,359 --> 01:09:01,600
away from it and I've been out of it for well.

1173
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,880
I think I got out at nineteen eighty two. I

1174
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was prought about thirty six. I'm eighty now. I enjoy life.

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I wake up every morning looking forward to what's the

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surprise today, and listening to you is one of the

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things I look forward to. And I didn't know I

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would call you today. This is the first time I've

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ever called it in anyway.

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Speaker 5: Thank you so glad you did.

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Speaker 2: What an encouragement you are to me. Joyce, my goodness.

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Can I ask you a question? Did you come out

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of a specific religion or what did you escape from?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Jehovah's witness, my goodness. I was a dedicated one.

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I was born and raised in New York City, and

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I was so sure that the world was coming to

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an end that I moved to the south Montgomery, Alabama,

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and now nineteen sixty six, and I was a full

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time ministry. I land up getting married. I'm still here

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in Alabama because I love. It's been good. You know,

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I have four children that are wonderful. I mean, my

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life is so much better. And just recently I did

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a last year, I write some and I was able

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to breathe my something that I wrote on stage. And

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I mean, I've traveled. I've been so many different places,

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but glad I traveled with I did. I just life

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has I don't I sit here and try to figure out,

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how does my life turn out so good?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I love life.

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Speaker 2: You're good medicine. You're the encouragement and positivity that many

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of us need. I'm watching the chat and they're like,

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we love Joyce. So you were You're already a fan

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favorite already in these last five minutes.

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Speaker 10: I didn't mean to be that. I didn't. I just

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really just wanted to tell you how much I because

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I know it's a lot of work and you could

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be doing something else if you want to. Just know

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that people like me, even older people, I hopefully older

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people will. You have an older crowd too. You know

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what I'm saying, Well, that will listen to you because

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even though whether a person is the atheist or not,

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you make common sense in everyday talking. You know, you're

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not trying to convert people to be apist or anything

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like that. You're just talking sense and I really really

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appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you with me on the road, you're

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going to be my motivation before I go up. You're

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going to talk me up before I take the stage,

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and be like, you've got this, seth, you got this.

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You are somebody. You're gonna go knock them dead, go

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out there path.

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Speaker 10: Well, I will be glad to be in your presence

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or any way that I think if I tell it's

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worth it, you know, Like I said, you just have

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to craap.

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Speaker 2: Please well for the words of couragement. I'm so very grateful,

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and I know everybody in the audiences they are enjoying

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this injection of goodness. So big hugs from my family

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to yours. Okay, joyce back at you, all right, We'll

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see you soon.

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Speaker 4: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's call it a show. By the way, don't

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you back here next week.

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