1 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:08,000 Speaker 1: What is up? Felsiko's I Am Daanpa Valley once again 2 00:00:08,119 --> 00:00:11,640 joined by Mort Jensen of the NBA Podcast, fame of 3 00:00:12,160 --> 00:00:17,640 Yahoo Sports, Fame, of Forbes fame, and of OnlyFans celebrity 4 00:00:17,640 --> 00:00:20,440 be on the lookout for his blend of naughty slash 5 00:00:20,679 --> 00:00:24,879 NBA crossover content. We are here to talk about the 6 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:29,920 Miami Heat, beginning another offseason of what the hell do 7 00:00:29,960 --> 00:00:32,520 we do? Now? Where do we go? They are? I 8 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:34,640 find every team fascinating. I say it's about every team 9 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:35,880 when we do look ahead and I'm like, oh, this 10 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:39,719 team is so fascinating. Mort, Well, before he gets started, 11 00:00:39,759 --> 00:00:41,520 how are you doing since we last talked like five 12 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:42,159 seconds ago? 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,039 Speaker 2: Doing well? Feeling slightly worse that we're talking about the 14 00:00:47,039 --> 00:00:47,719 Miami Heat. 15 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,359 Speaker 1: Yes, so Miami. They're about nine point three million below 16 00:00:51,359 --> 00:00:53,920 the luxury tax. That's not including a potential new deal 17 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,079 for Davion Mitchell, who was a restricted free agent and 18 00:00:56,520 --> 00:00:58,719 turned out to be pretty important to that and pretty 19 00:00:58,719 --> 00:00:59,640 good for them to be fair. 20 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 2: By the way, Maya Colpa on that, because you and 21 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:06,079 I spoke about Davion Mitchell, I want to say a 22 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:10,120 month ago where I was very dismissive of him. I 23 00:01:10,159 --> 00:01:12,799 was like, yeah, sure, he's doing well in like March, 24 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,159 Like who cares. I was very dismissive. I'm I'm owning 25 00:01:17,239 --> 00:01:20,239 up to it. God was I wrong. He's doing this 26 00:01:20,359 --> 00:01:23,959 in a playoff setting in important games. I thought this 27 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:26,280 was just like one of those I've just gotten to 28 00:01:26,359 --> 00:01:29,519 a new team sort of reinnovation for a small period 29 00:01:29,599 --> 00:01:33,599 of time. This actually looks sustainable. So good on you, 30 00:01:33,799 --> 00:01:35,640 Davion Mitchell for proving my ass wrong. 31 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't think I would have even 32 00:01:38,159 --> 00:01:40,760 predicted this last thing, or him having even close to 33 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:42,959 the type of impact he had for the Like he's 34 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:44,879 been able to do stuff offensively, whereas you look at 35 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,439 Chris Dunn for the Clippers and you worry about him 36 00:01:47,439 --> 00:01:49,040 not being able to do some of the stuff that 37 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,599 Daveian Mitchell has been able to do for Miami. That 38 00:01:51,760 --> 00:01:53,920 just makes it harder to figure out what does the 39 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,480 next contract look like. I assume just because this is 40 00:01:57,519 --> 00:02:00,319 sort of a recent breakout, it's not gonna exceed like 41 00:02:00,560 --> 00:02:02,640 far above the mid level would be my guess. 42 00:02:04,319 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: I mean, he's currently shooting above or well not above, 43 00:02:07,599 --> 00:02:10,159 just under seventy percent in the playoffs and averaging seventeen 44 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:13,159 points per game. I whatever is gonna happen his eighteen, 45 00:02:13,159 --> 00:02:15,319 that's gonna squeeze that for all it's worth. So you know, 46 00:02:15,400 --> 00:02:15,840 we'll see. 47 00:02:15,879 --> 00:02:17,719 Speaker 1: I think that the cap landscape would be in favor 48 00:02:17,719 --> 00:02:19,439 of the Heat keeping him no matter what. But they 49 00:02:19,439 --> 00:02:21,280 have to ask themselves, are we willing to go in 50 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,680 to attacks for a core of bam Tyler Hero, khalil 51 00:02:24,719 --> 00:02:28,039 Ware and Davion Mitchell's Like, I'm just being tongue in 52 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:31,400 cheeked there. Bam Adebayo after his extension, he's gonna be 53 00:02:31,439 --> 00:02:34,599 under contract for another four years and two hundred and 54 00:02:34,599 --> 00:02:37,680 two point four million dollars. Tyler Hero has two years 55 00:02:37,719 --> 00:02:40,439 and sixty four million left on his deal. If you're 56 00:02:40,439 --> 00:02:43,479 looking at this team getting better, they can trade I believe, 57 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,199 up to two first round picks outright, because they owe 58 00:02:46,199 --> 00:02:49,759 their twenty twenty seven first to Charlotte with top two protection, 59 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:52,919 and so they can conditionally trade a twenty nine and 60 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,759 a twenty thirty one pick and that's it. Their twenty 61 00:02:54,879 --> 00:02:58,199 twenty five pick is headed to Okasee this year. They 62 00:02:58,240 --> 00:03:02,360 do have, though, what could be some sizeable expiring contracts. 63 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,240 Terry Rozier, the weirdest partial guarantee. I've ever seen he's guaranteed, 64 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,719 like ninety five percent. He's being guaranteed, so they'll have him. 65 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,039 Duncan Robinson has an ETO, so maybe he could be 66 00:03:15,039 --> 00:03:17,520 a free agent. I don't. I don't think he'll opt 67 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:20,520 out or to like exercise that. And then Andrew Wiggins 68 00:03:20,560 --> 00:03:23,400 has a twenty six to twenty seven player option. In theory, 69 00:03:23,439 --> 00:03:26,000 then he could be an expiring contract. So they do 70 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,840 have money that they could use to, you know, Matt's 71 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,400 salaries in a larger trade. I just I think the playoffs, 72 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:34,759 and this was true before the Jimmy trade, it's kind 73 00:03:34,759 --> 00:03:37,680 of just reinforced, right. This team needs a I think 74 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:40,240 Tyler Hero has improved a bunch. Want to make that clear. 75 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:43,840 They need a best offensive player though, Like that is 76 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,360 what they need, and I don't know where they go 77 00:03:47,439 --> 00:03:50,319 out and get that player, Like maybe you could identify 78 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:52,840 some names that would be interesting, But do they have 79 00:03:52,879 --> 00:03:54,840 the assets to get them. 80 00:03:55,319 --> 00:03:58,599 Speaker 2: I don't think they do. And that's why I am 81 00:03:59,319 --> 00:04:02,400 taking a pretty harsh approach to this team. You know, 82 00:04:02,439 --> 00:04:04,479 they made it to the playoffs, which means they're not 83 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,000 gonna relinquish the twenty twenty six unprotected to Okay, see 84 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:12,639 that's a win. They got to look they they got 85 00:04:12,639 --> 00:04:16,079 to restart this whole thing. I'm not saying take a sledgehammer, 86 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:20,120 but I'm also saying let's not take it. Not take 87 00:04:20,120 --> 00:04:24,600 a sledgehammer, Like you can get a ton in return 88 00:04:24,759 --> 00:04:27,600 for bam Adebayo even with the extension kicking in, but 89 00:04:28,079 --> 00:04:30,439 you probably have to do it now while he's like 90 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:33,360 slapped that middle in his prime, like that's right now, 91 00:04:33,399 --> 00:04:37,720 those are the years right now, Tyler hero is gonna 92 00:04:37,720 --> 00:04:41,319 have two year stuff down his deal come summertime. You 93 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:43,560 want to get him out the door before that goes 94 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,160 down to one year, because then we're always looking at 95 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,079 that situation where it seems like, ah, but we're only 96 00:04:49,079 --> 00:04:51,360 getting in for one playoff here, that's not a whole lot. 97 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:56,240 That value diminishes. I think you got to press that 98 00:04:56,360 --> 00:04:59,639 big red button and see what comes up. What's unfortunate, 99 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,240 of course, they don't necessarily have their own picks. They're 100 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,639 in a situation where they don't control their own outcome. 101 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,560 So it's like there are more and more teams like 102 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,439 this out there. I feel like where they've shipped out 103 00:05:10,519 --> 00:05:12,879 so many of their draft picks, meaning they don't really 104 00:05:12,879 --> 00:05:14,839 control their own future, and now they have to play 105 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:17,439 catch up because there's just stuck the heat or one 106 00:05:17,439 --> 00:05:20,120 of them. So if they can't control their own picks, 107 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:22,439 they have to control outside picks. That's the only thing 108 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:27,480 I come up with because running this back, my question 109 00:05:27,680 --> 00:05:30,639 is to what end like even if you go out 110 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,040 and get a guy via the draft picks that you mentioned, 111 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:35,360 is that a guy who's good enough to be the 112 00:05:35,439 --> 00:05:37,519 number one guy on it on that team, Is that 113 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:39,639 someone who can come in and be like a perennial 114 00:05:39,639 --> 00:05:45,040 All star for them? No? They what's the alternative? 115 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 1: So I don't I'm actually if they, I think you 116 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,879 could argue that it's actually more appealing for them to 117 00:05:50,879 --> 00:05:53,480 blow it up than even your giving them credit for, 118 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,720 just because it's really they're losing this year's pick, which 119 00:05:56,759 --> 00:05:59,639 is outside the lottery. That's not nothing, but it's okay, 120 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,480 it's the twenty twenty seven pick. And so you could, 121 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,560 in theory say to whatever team wants BAM, you go out, 122 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,959 you find out what it takes to get that pick 123 00:06:09,959 --> 00:06:12,600 from Charlotte, and you included in the package for BAM. 124 00:06:12,639 --> 00:06:14,360 Maybe Charlotte, even the team that wants to go out 125 00:06:14,399 --> 00:06:17,279 and trade for Bam who like who knows right here? 126 00:06:17,759 --> 00:06:21,680 I can't. I probably would explore that like you would. 127 00:06:22,120 --> 00:06:25,639 I can't picture maybe if we know that pat Riley 128 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,600 no longer has to say and I know Andy Ellisberg 129 00:06:27,639 --> 00:06:29,480 does a lot of the heavy lifting there, but this 130 00:06:29,519 --> 00:06:31,560 team has kind of operated under the mantra of we 131 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:34,920 don't rebuild right, So exactly, I don't think they're gonna 132 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:36,800 look at that. But I think you're asking the right question. 133 00:06:36,879 --> 00:06:40,600 It's if you can get better, to what end are 134 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:43,399 you getting better? And I don't know, Like I'll throw 135 00:06:43,399 --> 00:06:45,519 a couple of names out to you that could theory 136 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,519 be on their radar. I just don't. I think you 137 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:50,680 have to ask two questions, and the first one is 138 00:06:50,680 --> 00:06:52,319 is that player good enough to say, all right, we're 139 00:06:52,360 --> 00:06:54,920 playing for something in the East? Home court advantage in 140 00:06:54,920 --> 00:06:58,279 the East. And then two, does Miami have the assets 141 00:06:58,680 --> 00:07:01,519 to get that player without try trading Bam at a bio? 142 00:07:02,000 --> 00:07:03,839 Speaker 2: Okay, Oh, okay, that's a good one. 143 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,360 Speaker 1: Yep. The first name that comes up, and it has 144 00:07:06,399 --> 00:07:07,519 to come up, would be Trey Young. 145 00:07:11,319 --> 00:07:13,639 Speaker 2: So the deal is probably tyle a hero. 146 00:07:15,639 --> 00:07:20,079 Speaker 1: Picks other salary. 147 00:07:21,279 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: It's interesting. I'm gonna give you that. It's interesting. But 148 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:26,160 at the end of the day, if you give up 149 00:07:26,199 --> 00:07:31,199 Tiler Hero as well, you're still like you're forcing Bam 150 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,800 to be more of an offensive, you know, influencer in 151 00:07:34,879 --> 00:07:39,399 some capacity. Can he do that? Is Tyler Hero? Oh? Sorry? 152 00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:42,519 Is Trey Young Bam at a bio? I guess? Andrew 153 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,560 Wickins and kill A Ware. 154 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:47,319 Speaker 1: Look, maybe Landa wants wigs instead a hero who knows. 155 00:07:49,199 --> 00:07:51,439 Speaker 2: Oh, that changes the calculus for me a little bit. Though, 156 00:07:52,759 --> 00:07:55,079 if you can get that, if you can get off 157 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,000 or not get off Wickins, because I don't think that's 158 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:01,720 that sounded negative. I actually think good. But if you 159 00:08:01,839 --> 00:08:06,360 can get Tray for the Wigans contract and I get 160 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:09,399 what Kyla Anderson like, let us actually find the deal, right, 161 00:08:09,759 --> 00:08:13,680 it's gotta be Wigins Andreson I guess, and high Smith 162 00:08:14,399 --> 00:08:14,920 or I mean. 163 00:08:14,839 --> 00:08:18,759 Speaker 1: You could have there's Rosiers expiring money, there's Robinson's expiring money. 164 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, then you can expand the trade, all right, and 165 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,680 then the two picks. 166 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 1: You I think the two picks, especially if you're not 167 00:08:27,759 --> 00:08:29,439 including Hero, would have to be in there. 168 00:08:29,399 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 2: Right right, yeah, if you're if you're not including Hero, 169 00:08:32,200 --> 00:08:37,200 I agree, So that leaves you with a trio, a 170 00:08:37,279 --> 00:08:41,399 leading trio of Trey, Tyler Hero and Bam. That's intriguing. 171 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:45,960 I still I'm left with the same question Dan, to 172 00:08:46,080 --> 00:08:48,799 what end Like, does that a team that I trust 173 00:08:48,960 --> 00:08:51,600 over Cleveland? Is that a team I trust over Boston? 174 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,279 Is that a team I put pretty much at the 175 00:08:54,320 --> 00:08:56,240 same level I do New York. 176 00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:58,759 Speaker 1: I do think that if they for some reasonfig got 177 00:08:58,799 --> 00:09:00,639 a way to have an above average offense while playing 178 00:09:00,639 --> 00:09:03,240 Trey Young and Tyler Hero together, which they figured out 179 00:09:03,279 --> 00:09:06,360 how to have an above average offense, excuse me, defense 180 00:09:06,639 --> 00:09:09,399 is what I meant while having liabilities on the floor 181 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,519 in the past. That gets interesting, But I think that's 182 00:09:11,519 --> 00:09:14,159 what's fun about. I'm not even endorsing it, but it's okay. 183 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,279 Can you get Trey Young short? Is it for what 184 00:09:16,279 --> 00:09:18,080 you would have to give up to get him? Doesn't 185 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:20,080 make sense to get him? And that's where it gets debatable, 186 00:09:20,080 --> 00:09:23,120 which comes back to your question. I probably don't think 187 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:27,519 like because the opportunity cost kind of feels not that great. 188 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:29,360 But then it's also like, well, Trey Young needs a 189 00:09:29,360 --> 00:09:32,480 new deal, so we're gonna get mega expensive. I don't 190 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:34,559 think I'm looking at that, so I'll continue to throw 191 00:09:34,679 --> 00:09:41,399 names here. Okay, Zach Lavine with the precursor of Scott 192 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,759 Perry's now in charge in Sacramento. He did not trade 193 00:09:43,759 --> 00:09:45,759 for him. There's actually people have brought back up the 194 00:09:45,799 --> 00:09:48,639 video of Scott Perry saying that Zack Lavine is overpaid 195 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,240 and doesn't provide enough value for what he is paid. 196 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:52,960 He has since said that him and Zack Levine have 197 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:55,159 talked about it and hashed it out. The Kings can 198 00:09:55,159 --> 00:09:57,840 go a bunch of different directions, but zach Lavine is 199 00:09:57,879 --> 00:10:02,399 that guy where he's really good and you're not including 200 00:10:02,759 --> 00:10:05,720 after matching money. I'm assuming you're not including everything to 201 00:10:05,759 --> 00:10:06,279 get him. 202 00:10:08,039 --> 00:10:09,960 Speaker 2: He's basically a better Tilo Hero. 203 00:10:11,639 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: Tyler here is probably better passor than him at this point. 204 00:10:13,600 --> 00:10:14,360 I'm not gonna be. 205 00:10:14,279 --> 00:10:18,000 Speaker 2: A better passor. But Levine's efficiency is no one's talking 206 00:10:18,039 --> 00:10:20,799 about it because he's He played for Chicago and Sacramento 207 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:25,080 this year so rightfully, so efficiency was ridiculous. I think 208 00:10:25,120 --> 00:10:28,000 he ended up in like the mid sixties, true shooting percentage, 209 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:32,360 high volume as well. There is they definitely get better 210 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,919 offensively there because of the efficiency. Like Sack has this 211 00:10:36,039 --> 00:10:40,039 weird reputation both in the league and the media. I 212 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:43,000 feel like where he's like a chucker who's like inefficient, 213 00:10:43,000 --> 00:10:46,399 where he's like the exact opposite, the offensive injection, there 214 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,279 would be fun and alongside Bam. But at the end 215 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,200 of the day, you're not racing you, you're sealing a 216 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,559 whole ton. Like Okay, you're replacing Tilo Hero with sac 217 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:55,720 Lavine because you'd they sure as heck can't play together. 218 00:10:57,039 --> 00:11:00,519 Is that upgrade enough to even warrant such a such trade, 219 00:11:00,519 --> 00:11:03,240 I'm not sure. Like then, I'd probably just rather gamble 220 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,360 on Hero, who's well five years younger. 221 00:11:05,639 --> 00:11:07,360 Speaker 1: I guess if more so is what I'm saying. What 222 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:11,879 if Sacramento just wanted like Wiggins and another expiring salary 223 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:13,840 and you're not getting giving up picks to get zaq 224 00:11:13,879 --> 00:11:15,120 Lavine was more so my point? 225 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:18,039 Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, well, I mean there's still bees. Then 226 00:11:18,080 --> 00:11:20,080 we still had need a follow up move because the 227 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:23,879 positional overlap between Hero and Levine is yucky. 228 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:26,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, not neither of those. I Well, I don't know. 229 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,080 Tyler here has had some really good moments against the Calves, 230 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,559 but still, uh the other name, well, I have a 231 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:38,559 couple other names. Okay, okay, LaMelo Ball your favorite. 232 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: And you're asking me of old people. Uh no, no, 233 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,200 I think pat Riley would go absolutely bananas after the 234 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:47,360 first couple of practices. 235 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,519 Speaker 1: I just for what the heat can give up if 236 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:53,080 you can get LaMelo ball, I'm not gonna lie to 237 00:11:53,159 --> 00:11:55,399 be tempted because they just can't give up a ton. 238 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: Perhaps that's the place for LaMelo to iron out his 239 00:11:59,519 --> 00:12:04,960 poor habit. I'll get Oh, Miami's well, not the city, 240 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:09,639 I meant the organization. But you raise a fair point. 241 00:12:10,039 --> 00:12:11,600 Speaker 1: What about we'll go to the other end of this 242 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,600 because we just talked about those two players. Not an 243 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:19,639 instinctive fit, but again, probably doesn't cost you everything. Zion Williamson. 244 00:12:22,919 --> 00:12:26,039 Speaker 2: Okay, now we're talking. That's fun. Now, now we're now 245 00:12:26,039 --> 00:12:28,279 we're into this might actually be fun territory. 246 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: Hold on, if you don't think LaMelo ball is the 247 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:35,159 answer for a team or you have, that's fine. You 248 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,919 can't tell me LaMelo ball man Attebayo wouldn't make for 249 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,919 fun basketball. I refuse, I don't. 250 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,519 Speaker 2: We've been through this several times, you and I. I 251 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,799 do not find LaMelo ball entertaining in the slightest I 252 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,919 am finding infuriatingly frustrating. 253 00:12:51,759 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: We got we got aggregated on Twitter the other day 254 00:12:54,039 --> 00:12:55,600 from that conversation. I don't know if you saw it, 255 00:12:55,639 --> 00:12:58,240 and it was I saw. The response is they clearly 256 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:00,519 had no idea the tenor of the conversation because they 257 00:13:00,519 --> 00:13:02,639 were saying we were both wrong and we were arguing 258 00:13:02,759 --> 00:13:05,720 like there was one of two answers and we were 259 00:13:05,799 --> 00:13:09,000 arguing in opposite side to them and so were wrong. 260 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 2: It was no. I left of that a great deal. 261 00:13:11,519 --> 00:13:13,279 I actually forgot to share it with you because I 262 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:18,879 did see it. But no, yeah, people are are weird. Look, 263 00:13:19,399 --> 00:13:22,399 oh I getting aggregated thin. No, No, no me, neither 264 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,200 Sion when healthy, at least when I'm saying fun, I 265 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,159 do mean like in terms of the production, right, Like 266 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,360 when he's healthy, he's he's right up there, like he's 267 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,120 up there among the best, Like he is so highly influential, 268 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:40,039 He's gotten better as a rebounder, he's gotten better defender. 269 00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:42,200 It's all about the lack of availability. And you can 270 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,799 say the same about LaMelo too, Like both those guys 271 00:13:44,799 --> 00:13:49,879 are like tremendously unavailable. But I do think Sion provides 272 00:13:49,919 --> 00:13:55,399 the higher ceiling the Lamello and significantly so just off 273 00:13:55,399 --> 00:13:58,639 the impact there that would be fun because he would 274 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,759 actually have that type of center. Like remember I've said 275 00:14:01,799 --> 00:14:04,600 this a couple of times where I thought the Pelicans 276 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,000 should have gone out in the way to find a 277 00:14:07,039 --> 00:14:09,399 way to get killer Ware because I think that's the 278 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,960 player you need to put alongside Scion. Well, Kililware is 279 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,759 in Miami, and you know who's also is bam Adebayo Bamada. 280 00:14:15,759 --> 00:14:18,240 Bio's also begins to stretch the floor. He's also a 281 00:14:18,279 --> 00:14:21,159 lot of threat. He's also a defender, rebounder. Now you 282 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:23,600 have two guys who are like Taylor made to be 283 00:14:23,799 --> 00:14:24,879 alongside Zion. 284 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,879 Speaker 1: My guess is, and maybe the Pelicans feel differently with 285 00:14:27,919 --> 00:14:30,759 Eves Mesi being there. But if you're not trading Tyler Hero, 286 00:14:30,919 --> 00:14:33,399 I think khalil Ware is certainly in the Zion Williams. 287 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 2: That's fair, Okay, Yeah, I can I can buy that. 288 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:37,240 I can accept that. But they as long as they 289 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,440 still have Bam, I'll live with it. I still love 290 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,399 the idea of Kittill where alongside Zion, though, but like, yeah, 291 00:14:42,559 --> 00:14:45,200 it's Bam is better. I get that. If you run 292 00:14:45,279 --> 00:14:48,879 that well, like let's run that back by the way. 293 00:14:48,919 --> 00:14:51,600 If they offer one of the picks instead of killerware. 294 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,399 Speaker 1: So you're like, you're thinking New Orleans is just gonna 295 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,600 dump Zion for a first round pick and Deandrew Wiggins 296 00:14:57,679 --> 00:14:58,919 and Kyle Anderson. 297 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:00,840 Speaker 2: Maybe two picks they can off for two, right. 298 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:03,919 Speaker 1: I mean, if if it's just the picks and then money, 299 00:15:04,879 --> 00:15:05,360 sign me. 300 00:15:05,399 --> 00:15:08,919 Speaker 2: Up, right. I mean, I don't know. I don't I 301 00:15:08,919 --> 00:15:13,759 don't think anybody really knows what Scion's value is right now, 302 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:17,320 especially now that Joe Dumars is leading the whole thing there. 303 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,639 We we have no idea, like the Pelicans have just 304 00:15:20,679 --> 00:15:24,639 turned everything inside out. Now they're making evaluations, their own 305 00:15:24,639 --> 00:15:27,519 evaluations of where they stand with certain players. Like we 306 00:15:27,639 --> 00:15:29,879 sort of had an idea of how David Griffin thought 307 00:15:29,879 --> 00:15:32,440 of Sion for a long time, like he wasn't keen 308 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:35,279 on trading him, he was buying into the upside. It's 309 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,879 Joe dumar is doing that same thing. We have no idea, 310 00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:42,240 like there might be an organizational shift where they are thinking, now, 311 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:44,559 you know what, like science is not available, we don't 312 00:15:44,639 --> 00:15:46,879 think highly of him. Let's just get out of that 313 00:15:46,919 --> 00:15:50,399 whole situation where you know, you could look at two 314 00:15:50,399 --> 00:15:52,919 picks from Miami where David Griffin would probably you know, 315 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,840 tell them tell Miami to shove it. Joe Dumars might 316 00:15:55,919 --> 00:15:58,080 be telling them tell me more. 317 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,559 Speaker 1: Well, that was the membery in reporting, wasn't that since 318 00:16:01,639 --> 00:16:04,519 moved back. I want to make it clear that part 319 00:16:04,519 --> 00:16:06,799 of Joe the stipulation was Jojiemorries needed to move on 320 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,360 for Zion Williamson, which is just I think that's a 321 00:16:09,399 --> 00:16:12,759 dumb stipulation because his contract just giving the number of 322 00:16:12,799 --> 00:16:16,360 outs is not toxic. And by the way, you think 323 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:18,919 the Heat would be in there trying to renegotiate the 324 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,879 weight limit protection where I think now he needs to 325 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:23,600 be less than two ninety five here and be like 326 00:16:23,639 --> 00:16:25,759 you need to be less than two seventy five or something. 327 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:27,159 They would definitely try and do that. 328 00:16:27,679 --> 00:16:33,679 Speaker 2: So it's whinny. Yeah, oh my god, look it's it's 329 00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:36,000 it's the Heat, right Heat Culture. No, but that would 330 00:16:36,039 --> 00:16:38,360 be fun. Like that's probably the one name where I 331 00:16:38,399 --> 00:16:41,679 can talk myself into all right, let's let's try to 332 00:16:41,759 --> 00:16:43,519 keep this going in some capacity. 333 00:16:43,399 --> 00:16:45,279 Speaker 1: The good this is I'm not endorsing any of these. 334 00:16:45,279 --> 00:16:46,639 I'm just trying to make us think. I have a 335 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:51,919 couple other names. Okay, Kevin Durant. 336 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:57,159 Speaker 2: He's oh again, that's he'd be in that trade. 337 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: It's the picks and it's uh, it's salary, Like you're 338 00:17:01,159 --> 00:17:02,840 keeping Hero and Bam and where. 339 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:07,039 Speaker 2: Look when you're trading draft picks for a guy who's 340 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:13,400 like that old, it's like you have like you have 341 00:17:13,519 --> 00:17:15,440 to put yourself in a situation where you can win 342 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:19,599 a championship. I don't think you do that with DuRane necessarily, 343 00:17:19,839 --> 00:17:21,000 as much as I love him. 344 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:24,160 Speaker 1: That's that's probably the most of all the names we 345 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:27,240 mentioned though, that would be the most instinctual trio, right 346 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:29,440 with Tyler, HEROKD and Bam. 347 00:17:29,519 --> 00:17:32,759 Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, because look, I still subscribe to the 348 00:17:32,799 --> 00:17:35,000 idea that if you want to run with like the 349 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:38,839 three stars setup, it is ultimately the best to have 350 00:17:38,960 --> 00:17:42,039 like a main guard, a main wing, and a main big. 351 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,480 So yes, absolutely that would work. 352 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,079 Speaker 1: What about Ja Morant? 353 00:17:48,839 --> 00:17:49,759 Speaker 2: No, no, thank you. 354 00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 1: I figured that was gonna be a quick note. Now 355 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,720 this is kind of on the smaller side, but again 356 00:17:54,759 --> 00:17:57,839 it enables you to keep a lot of your roster intact. 357 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 2: Kobe White, Yeah, yeah, absolutely immediately, because again you the 358 00:18:03,319 --> 00:18:07,279 salary alone is so easy to overcome from one year 359 00:18:07,279 --> 00:18:09,839 and for one that's the thing. And because it's one year. 360 00:18:10,400 --> 00:18:13,519 The Bulls can't even make like first and foremost they're 361 00:18:13,559 --> 00:18:16,519 shitty negotiators, but they can't even make the argument that 362 00:18:16,599 --> 00:18:19,200 they're going to have him, you know, for longer than 363 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:21,240 that one year. The Bulls should have traded them at 364 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,720 the trade deadline. They did not. So now you're left 365 00:18:24,759 --> 00:18:28,119 in that situation where you're going to the summer, if 366 00:18:28,119 --> 00:18:31,200 you're fielding offers from White, everyone's going to say, well, 367 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:32,920 he's not locked up for a long time, and we 368 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:35,839 have to go into the same situation as you where 369 00:18:35,839 --> 00:18:39,759 we can't offer him an extension because the one and 370 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:45,400 extension limit exists, all right. That lowers the price tag. 371 00:18:45,599 --> 00:18:49,079 I'm sorry, but it just does. That's a name where 372 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,440 Miami can actually whether they rebuild or retool or not 373 00:18:53,599 --> 00:18:56,200 or stay stay the course, they can still go get 374 00:18:56,240 --> 00:19:00,240 his ass, would you you? 375 00:19:01,119 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: Let's just say no picks are involved. It's just a 376 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,319 matter of matching the money because they want to get 377 00:19:05,319 --> 00:19:06,920 out of this contract. Do you see where I'm going 378 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:07,160 with this? 379 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:10,599 Speaker 2: Not sure yet, No. 380 00:19:10,599 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: Paul George, I'm just I don't even know. Maybe the 381 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,960 sixers say no, but as an exercise, you're just giving up. 382 00:19:19,119 --> 00:19:21,960 You're sending out contracts to make the money work, roping 383 00:19:21,960 --> 00:19:25,960 in whatever other teams you need. No, I would do it. 384 00:19:26,119 --> 00:19:28,559 You're out of your mind. Why no picks? 385 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:34,599 Speaker 2: Well, like, okay, so no picks, and I still get 386 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,039 to overpay him for the next four years. Lucky me 387 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,759 for three years. Three Sorry I corrected myself, sir. 388 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:44,279 Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, and two of those are important 389 00:19:44,319 --> 00:19:46,319 to be semi competitive. But I guess you if you 390 00:19:46,319 --> 00:19:48,400 want to do a one year tank, sure, but at 391 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:50,359 least twenty twenty seven, you need to be as good 392 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,480 as possible right now because your pick is headed out 393 00:19:53,079 --> 00:19:55,559 so like and Paul George, he needn't ruin the Sixers 394 00:19:55,599 --> 00:19:57,880 tank this year. He always misses some games. If you 395 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,279 want to do the one year tank and run it 396 00:19:59,279 --> 00:20:01,839 back with you know, age forty five, Paul George in 397 00:20:01,839 --> 00:20:06,400 twenty twenty six and that top end draft pick, if you. 398 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 2: Don't realize that Paul George is turning thirty five in 399 00:20:09,519 --> 00:20:10,799 like three days, right. 400 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: Right, here's my thing. If the if Philly just decided 401 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,400 they don't want that contract and they're willing to take 402 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:20,160 Terry rose year plus whatever money, like, maybe it's Terry 403 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:22,400 roseier Andrew Wiggins, I might consider it. 404 00:20:23,519 --> 00:20:27,759 Speaker 2: Of course. I mean, look, yeah, if you're if you're Miami, 405 00:20:27,839 --> 00:20:31,000 I wouldn't consider it if look, of course you as 406 00:20:31,079 --> 00:20:34,119 the Sixers. If that's what it takes to get off that. 407 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: Horrible from Miami's perspective. 408 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:40,319 Speaker 2: I know, but like that's that's such a win for Philly. 409 00:20:40,440 --> 00:20:41,279 It's insane. 410 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:43,640 Speaker 1: Andrew Wiggins could dectically have an extra year left on 411 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:46,200 this deal. So you're saying you'd rather just be out 412 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:48,720 of the Paul George business. You're so out on Paul George? 413 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:49,160 Speaker 2: Yeah? 414 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: Absolutely? 415 00:20:50,279 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 2: Did you have you seen this guy this year and 416 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:57,440 you expect him to get better? He's the injury history. 417 00:20:57,559 --> 00:21:00,440 Speaker 1: There's a higher baseline. It's not that I expect Paul 418 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:02,240 George to go to Miami and have a career year. 419 00:21:02,559 --> 00:21:05,640 There's a much higher baseline than what he's working off 420 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:06,559 of from this season. 421 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,839 Speaker 2: Are we sure there still is? 422 00:21:10,559 --> 00:21:12,480 Speaker 1: Yes? I think Paul George is one of the most 423 00:21:12,519 --> 00:21:14,640 plug and play stars in the league. 424 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,039 Speaker 2: Great that worked out so well for Philly in the 425 00:21:18,079 --> 00:21:19,480 forty one games he played this year. 426 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: How many games? First of all, how many games would 427 00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:22,799 he have played in if Philly actually had anything to 428 00:21:22,839 --> 00:21:23,200 play for? 429 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 2: That is a fair quar still the production, the production 430 00:21:26,839 --> 00:21:28,640 that will drop like a rock. 431 00:21:29,680 --> 00:21:32,279 Speaker 1: I think if you're gonna focus on why Miami shouldn't 432 00:21:32,319 --> 00:21:35,359 do that, I think the plot is being missed if 433 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,839 you don't say, well, we want a primary advantage creator. 434 00:21:39,319 --> 00:21:42,119 He comes in and we still favor Tyler Hero in 435 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,440 that instance, and you're trying to get around that. 436 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 2: For the most part, I understand. No, I understand your argument. 437 00:21:48,599 --> 00:21:51,640 Just fine. It's the contract that scares the Bejesus out 438 00:21:51,680 --> 00:21:51,839 of me. 439 00:21:52,799 --> 00:21:55,160 Speaker 1: I think, if it's costing me because Terry Rozier doesn't 440 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,039 even look like he should be an NBA player, and 441 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,599 maybe he comes back and is great, but if it's 442 00:22:00,640 --> 00:22:03,400 costing me that and then Andrew Wiggins took as two 443 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,599 years left on his deal, and just you can't unless 444 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,119 unless he's gonna turn the clock back to twenty twenty two, 445 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:11,079 which is the anomaly on his career resume. You're kind 446 00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:12,599 of can look at it and talking to yourself in 447 00:22:12,759 --> 00:22:15,559 all right, well, it's really like two years of Paul 448 00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:18,079 George like being extra on the wait. 449 00:22:19,519 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 2: I think Andrew Wiggins right now is the better basketball player. 450 00:22:23,039 --> 00:22:25,480 Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I can't. 451 00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:29,279 Speaker 2: And oh oh we have snop dance show up. 452 00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:29,480 Speaker 1: There. 453 00:22:29,519 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough to me. 454 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,519 Speaker 1: If you're saying Andrew Wiggins had the better season, I 455 00:22:34,519 --> 00:22:37,480 don't think that's arguable. I think you're right, right right. 456 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:39,960 If you're asking me who I would just rather haveing 457 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,559 a vacuum next year if you want to get I guess, Okay, 458 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:45,000 Andrew Wiggins is making what twenty million dollars less than 459 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:48,359 Paul George or whatever. That's probably fair. But as players 460 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:51,319 in a vacuum next season, I would say that I 461 00:22:51,319 --> 00:22:53,359 want Paul George on my team rather than Andrew Wiggins. 462 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:56,559 Speaker 2: That's fair. I'm I'm I'm Wigins. I don't because again 463 00:22:56,599 --> 00:22:59,960 I'm also baking in availability. That's part of it. 464 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: I gu what is what is the argument so your 465 00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,039 so with? Then what is the argument for Andrew Wickins 466 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:10,720 is the better basketball player? Just that your no? 467 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,079 Speaker 2: No, so okay? So, first and foremost, the production level 468 00:23:13,079 --> 00:23:17,359 I think is is comparable. First and foremost, I think 469 00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,440 Wiggins because he's younger. I think he's found his game 470 00:23:20,839 --> 00:23:23,440 at a much higher sense this year than we've seen before. 471 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:25,920 I think we can throw last year and parts of 472 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,119 the year before out, because there was a lot of 473 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:31,160 personal things that went on and people were way too 474 00:23:31,240 --> 00:23:34,039 quick to kind of rule him out, like saying, oh, 475 00:23:34,079 --> 00:23:37,079 he can't play anymore, he's peaked. Whatever we were seeing 476 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:39,480 this year, that was a bunch of bullshit. Okay, I 477 00:23:39,519 --> 00:23:41,599 think there's a very good two way player in there. 478 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:44,200 I think his three point shot has gotten better. Yes, 479 00:23:44,319 --> 00:23:49,799 is he look Is Paul George a better primary creator? Absolutely, 480 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:53,279 I'm not going to dispute that. But there is a 481 00:23:53,440 --> 00:23:57,039 time when someone reaches an age and they have that 482 00:23:57,079 --> 00:23:59,680 one year drop off, I think, and that's like the 483 00:23:59,759 --> 00:24:03,039 new norm. I'm not sure we can rule that out 484 00:24:03,319 --> 00:24:05,640 that that was the year for PEG this year. Like 485 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,839 I'm also not saying it was with absolute certainty. There's 486 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:11,200 a world where in you could absolutely be right. But 487 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,960 if this was the drop off year and that trend 488 00:24:14,039 --> 00:24:16,200 is only going to continue, like he's only getting gonna 489 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:21,319 get worse, I will not in any way sit here 490 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:23,440 and argue on behalf of him over Wiggins. 491 00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: Sorry, I think I would feel very uneasy about the 492 00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,480 Paul George creation aspect, like I said before, because if 493 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,000 he comes in, I think you still look at Tyler 494 00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:35,319 Hero as your best advantage creator. And that's right, somewhat problematic, 495 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,480 but the balance of one, three, five. I guess I'm 496 00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,039 looking at it as if you're trying to swing for 497 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:43,160 the fences as Miami rather than rebuild. I think if 498 00:24:43,319 --> 00:24:47,039 your highest end outcome is glitzier, if you have Paul 499 00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:50,119 George versus if you have Andrew Wiggins, you can talk 500 00:24:50,119 --> 00:24:52,559 about the likelihood of reaching that highest end outcome. Yeah. 501 00:24:52,599 --> 00:24:54,160 Let's say I'll frame of it this way. Let's say 502 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:56,400 you're seventy percent likely to reach your highest end outcome 503 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:59,200 with Andrew Wiggins and twenty percent likely to reach your 504 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,359 highest end oucome with Paul George. The highest end outcome 505 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:04,119 that you have a twenty percent chance at, I just 506 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:06,640 think is going to be so much higher than that 507 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,559 Andrew Wiggins highest end outcome that I'm just going to 508 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,160 roll you nice, because otherwise you're just kind of spinning 509 00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,440 your wheels in. This is exact Miami team with some 510 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,480 fuzzing and fiddling on the margins. How good are they 511 00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:21,400 next year? Can they get to forty fives? Yeah? 512 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,640 Speaker 2: No particularly, but I don't necessarily think they're going to 513 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:25,119 be a lot better with Paul George. But what I 514 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,079 do understand you're saying is that you want to swing. 515 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:28,799 You want to swing big and you want to take 516 00:25:28,839 --> 00:25:32,200 some risk. I appreciate the balsiness of that. I do, 517 00:25:33,279 --> 00:25:39,559 but the contract loan is toxic. And I don't think, 518 00:25:39,759 --> 00:25:41,799 like I said, necessarily that I think he's even an 519 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:44,400 upgrade for Andrew Wiggins, although I do think he plucks 520 00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:47,200 more holes that I will give you. But then there's 521 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:49,920 the availability or lack thereof like it's just it's the 522 00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:54,680 combined package of question marks. 523 00:25:54,720 --> 00:26:01,359 Speaker 1: Does Andrew Wiggins' podcast too more m This is all 524 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:02,039 the said. 525 00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 2: God be there, you got to be there that Daniel 526 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:06,000 we want the argument. 527 00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:08,519 Speaker 1: This is all to say I wouldn't trade for Paul 528 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:10,279 George if I was in Miami. So we're arguing kind 529 00:26:10,319 --> 00:26:13,160 of over the same thing. I have a couple other names. Again, 530 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,119 I actually don't think I might endorse one of these right, 531 00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:18,359 and I think his trade value would have had to 532 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:20,240 drop for the Heat to be able to get him. 533 00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:27,440 Larry Marketen, he is not off. You probably have to 534 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,920 go to Utah and say, maybe you could get away 535 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,920 with not giving khalil ware. But there's a chance that 536 00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,440 it's probably both those picks swaps or is it khalil 537 00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:39,160 ware a picks While it's it's something like that. 538 00:26:39,519 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 2: So it depends on what you think. So this is 539 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,759 actually interesting. Do you subscribe to the idea that Lauri 540 00:26:45,880 --> 00:26:48,319 Marketen can be a good first option? 541 00:26:51,599 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: It's so would you have could so ask you another question? 542 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,799 Would you have considered him? He was like a primary 543 00:26:56,839 --> 00:26:59,400 option as a play finisher and I think he can 544 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:00,559 do that. 545 00:27:00,559 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 2: That is a good answer because that is exactly what 546 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,880 he is. So you were talking about play creation, right, 547 00:27:07,519 --> 00:27:10,400 how does Lauri Markinen solve that? 548 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: Well? 549 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:12,200 Speaker 2: Especially his salary. 550 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,599 Speaker 1: I think he makes it the jobs easier on Tyler 551 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,559 Hero and bam Adebayo to where it's the advantage creation 552 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,319 you get from them, which you want higher end of 553 00:27:19,319 --> 00:27:21,519 it because there's a higher threat level on the court 554 00:27:21,559 --> 00:27:23,240 who can give you a little bit of self creation, 555 00:27:23,599 --> 00:27:25,640 but it's just a threat from anywhere. And is this 556 00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:27,640 like he's I can't remember who said this or I 557 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:30,680 apologize and I don't. This isn't like a perfect comparison, 558 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,680 but they compared Larry market into a seven foot Klay Thompson. 559 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,079 It's just like that's if you put that, I think 560 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,440 by virtue putting that on your roster, it increases the 561 00:27:39,519 --> 00:27:42,319 value of whatever self creation and facilitations already. 562 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,680 Speaker 2: There, right, Can I just can I just piggyback off 563 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,519 of that one and give Ricky O'Donnell some love on this, 564 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:52,880 because even when marketing was in an Arizona, Ricky O'Donnell 565 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,920 back then, this was way back in seven twenty seventeen 566 00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,759 basically said he's a seven foot shooting guard. And I 567 00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:03,759 think that is probably the best description of Laurie marketing 568 00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:06,599 we've ever seen, and no one's really picked up on it, 569 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:10,000 and that is exactly what his career has been. I 570 00:28:10,039 --> 00:28:13,119 love him as a play finisher. What I would worry 571 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:17,400 about if I'm Miami, presumably I'm staying like I'm keeping 572 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,359 this train moving because I want to make some noise 573 00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:22,880 in the playoffs. I wonder if, even if they do 574 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,720 well in the regular season with him as a play 575 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,400 finisher making life easier on both BAM and Hero, is 576 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,039 that gonna be taken away in the playoffs, because I 577 00:28:32,039 --> 00:28:33,200 would imagine. 578 00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: So I'm probably with you just because it would take 579 00:28:36,319 --> 00:28:38,799 most of your assets, and I don't think the payoff 580 00:28:38,839 --> 00:28:41,400 is there, right. Would you rather give up your assets 581 00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:43,160 to get Larry markin or just give up money to 582 00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,640 get Paul George like contracts to get Paul George. 583 00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:51,039 Speaker 2: Uh, I'm just gonna instead jump off of the highest 584 00:28:51,079 --> 00:28:51,519 cliff life. 585 00:28:51,519 --> 00:28:55,599 Speaker 1: Fine, yeah, so we have to mention this name. We 586 00:28:55,599 --> 00:28:57,960 mentioned it when we did our bucks. Where are they 587 00:28:57,960 --> 00:28:59,640 going from here? Thing? You would do it, but we 588 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:03,000 even I don't see the path to the heat keeping 589 00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:06,359 Bam out of bio and getting honest attend to Cupo's no, correct. 590 00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,680 Speaker 2: Nope, nope, let's go back to a team. 591 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,200 Speaker 1: Excuse me, maybe wanted to get off a contract again. 592 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:19,559 I don't see it all right, Joel embiid. 593 00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:23,960 Speaker 2: Oh see that's at least more intriguing the PG. However, 594 00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:27,920 what like em beat himself is like, no, I'm not 595 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:31,920 going to play in back to backs anymore. Like it's 596 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:35,799 you know what, I want to get there, but I 597 00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:39,759 can't Dan like I want to get there. I just no, 598 00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:43,559 I can't. It's too again. I'm I'm very risk averse. 599 00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,640 You know this of me? I can't. I can't say 600 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,640 that leave. I can't commit. All right, I'll be I'll 601 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,640 be fleeing the altar if I'm standing there. I won't 602 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:55,119 do it. No, the contractual stuff is too much, the 603 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,200 injury patterns are too much. I can't. Sorry, even if 604 00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:58,440 it was. 605 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:03,279 Speaker 1: Just money in one first round pick and my money. 606 00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:05,200 I do contracts. For anyone who's thinking that, I'm like, 607 00:30:05,319 --> 00:30:07,759 I'm not Babe ruthing this or like giving up. 608 00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:11,799 Speaker 2: Just cash for right, So it's like weekends Duncan Robinson and. 609 00:30:12,559 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: Terry Road whatever the money, whatever contract or bam bam 610 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:20,440 at the four. 611 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 2: Would be fun next to bead. 612 00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:27,119 Speaker 1: I think that, by the way, I think the Sixers 613 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,200 only consider something like that if they win the lottery 614 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,960 and it's let's re orient around Cooper Flag and exactly 615 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:32,640 we're done here. 616 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 2: I might get you could talk me into that, but 617 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:45,880 like the oh the potential downside again it's catastrophic. 618 00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:50,440 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, speaking of catastrophic. 619 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 2: Oh no, you're coming with now. 620 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,759 Speaker 1: This is another one where it's we don't want to 621 00:30:54,799 --> 00:30:57,119 give up assets to do this, so we're just trying 622 00:30:57,119 --> 00:30:58,960 to get better on the court. 623 00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:06,319 Speaker 2: Bradley Beale, I actually don't hate that as much. Again 624 00:31:06,359 --> 00:31:08,039 I do, so here we can't. 625 00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,119 Speaker 1: Hit all over Paul George like Bradley Beal. 626 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 2: Here's the thing. Here's the thing. I don't hate Bradley 627 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,240 Beal in a vacuum going there, however, because Tyler Hero 628 00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,240 is there, and I value him obviously significantly more than 629 00:31:24,279 --> 00:31:28,359 Bradley Beale. I don't buy into it because again we've 630 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,079 seen him now, he couldn't like the position to overlap. 631 00:31:31,279 --> 00:31:33,119 I think it's I think it's real with the shooting 632 00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:36,079 guards specifically, they have such a hard time finding their spots. 633 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,359 Speaker 1: I think if you could get some of because I 634 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,960 viewed Devin Booker as one of the most underrated passers 635 00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,839 in the league, but we've seen he has his limitations. 636 00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,240 He kind of needs a decision making. Big is what 637 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:47,680 he's best next to, not necessarily these rim like flat 638 00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:51,720 out rim runners in Miami's case though, and this was 639 00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:53,519 similar with Devin Booker, So I think you would still 640 00:31:53,519 --> 00:31:55,400 probably want like a Florid like would Chris Paul come 641 00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:57,279 in and make whatever money and you're playing a little 642 00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:00,319 smaller Tyler. Hero can be so good off the ball 643 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:04,160 that it's just like I think it would feel less rid. 644 00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,519 Not that Devin Booker can't be, but when you also 645 00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:08,519 have Kevin Durant in the fold and like Bam plays 646 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:10,599 just a different position and it's used to being a 647 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,039 play finisher big when he's not having the ball, I 648 00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:14,480 think you can make it work. And again, I think 649 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,559 it's all about the cost perspective of if you're just 650 00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:19,839 giving up contracts to make this work like the Sons 651 00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:23,839 are doing it for Terry Rozier and I take your pick. 652 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:25,720 You want Dougan Robinson or would you prefer to just 653 00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,279 give up Andrew Wiggins in that? 654 00:32:28,119 --> 00:32:30,960 Speaker 2: Like, I'm still saying no, because I still like, despite 655 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:35,680 what you just outlined, I'm not necessarily buying into, you know, 656 00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:40,319 real in a high volume ball handling capability like I 657 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,920 like him. I thought, I think it's interesting at the least. 658 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:46,079 I think that's that's a situation where you know the 659 00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:48,599 system would at least give him a chance to return 660 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:51,759 to some level of what he used to be, but 661 00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:56,160 just not specifically alongside Tyler Hero. So I wouldn't do it. 662 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: Okay, I think you're not gonna catch an argument for me, Matt. 663 00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:02,920 I have at least two more names. 664 00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:06,559 Speaker 2: I feel like you keep coming up with two more names. 665 00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:08,480 Speaker 1: It's great, some of them are some of them are 666 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,559 just springing to me. I don't. I'm just saying because 667 00:33:11,559 --> 00:33:13,119 I don't know what's gonna happen here. We already know 668 00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,599 this player wants to re evaluate his future right domas 669 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:17,359 a bonus. 670 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a feeling you to go there. 671 00:33:21,799 --> 00:33:23,559 Speaker 1: Now, I think I want to say this. I'm not 672 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:25,799 necessarily in favor of it, but I think people would 673 00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:28,079 hona actually assume no, that would shrink the floor. And 674 00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:30,200 like Doma's been shooting the three pretty well the past 675 00:33:30,279 --> 00:33:32,240 couple of seasons, we know Bam can give a little stretch. 676 00:33:32,359 --> 00:33:35,160 I don't think defenses would much care, but it'd be 677 00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:38,599 would we have ever seen It's kind of like I 678 00:33:38,599 --> 00:33:40,200 don't think that people are talking about have we ever 679 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:42,680 seen as much just like transcending playmaking on one team 680 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:44,680 as you could get and Lebron and Luca? Have we 681 00:33:44,759 --> 00:33:47,720 ever seen two playmaking bigs on the same team like 682 00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:49,039 doms Adam. 683 00:33:49,519 --> 00:33:51,759 Speaker 2: And and also you know what be funny is both 684 00:33:51,799 --> 00:33:54,440 of them are sort of reluctant scores, like they can 685 00:33:54,519 --> 00:33:57,519 do so much more offensively than what they're doing. Like 686 00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:00,799 heat fans would lose their marbles after the first two 687 00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:03,119 months because both those guys are gonna be like looking 688 00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:05,720 at each other. They're gonna be averaging like a modest 689 00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,760 seventeen per game and everyone is just looking at it like, oh, 690 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,320 nut's one of you, Like one of you should average 691 00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,039 twenty five because both have the capability of doing so. 692 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,559 But like at least BAM represents a much more intriguing 693 00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,920 big man pairing option for some bonus then and a 694 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,920 lot of other alternatives around the league, like that might 695 00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:30,079 be the guy to pair up front with the bonus 696 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:30,559 of anything. 697 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:32,760 Speaker 1: I don't think. I mean, i'd be interested see how 698 00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:34,440 Spoe uses them together, but I don't think I could 699 00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:35,920 get on board with that. I'm not gonna lie. 700 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 2: It's gonna be difficult, Like spacing is real, I feel 701 00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,039 like that should be. 702 00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:44,320 Speaker 1: So the other one I have. I think it's an 703 00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,039 ultra long shot. But let's say this team wants to 704 00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:47,679 get cheaper. 705 00:34:48,599 --> 00:34:51,119 Speaker 2: If the rest of this list hasn't been long shots, yeah, 706 00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:51,599 go ahead. 707 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:53,480 Speaker 1: I'm just trying. I'm trying to have it. I'm not 708 00:34:53,559 --> 00:34:55,320 advocating for any of these. I'm just trying to have 709 00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:59,360 a discussion. And you're getting you're you're assigning I don't 710 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:04,679 know whatever to be here, sounding like someone on Fox News. 711 00:35:04,719 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 2: I'm just asking questions. I'm just. 712 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,199 Speaker 1: I'm just trying to see your both sides wrong with that? 713 00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:17,280 Look this team want let's say this. I'm gonna lay 714 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,960 the ground here. This team wants to get cheaper, and 715 00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:22,840 what you're looking at probably is like, okay, they're going 716 00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,000 to get some smaller contracts in return. There's other teams 717 00:35:25,039 --> 00:35:28,840 that are being roped into offset the cost you're probably commanding. 718 00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,079 The two first round picks and Khalil laware in addition 719 00:35:32,119 --> 00:35:33,360 to salary at minimum. 720 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:40,599 Speaker 2: Jailing Brown, all right, yeah, yeah, you found an exception. 721 00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,199 All right, you found a name that's interesting. He's the 722 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:44,880 primary wing. 723 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:47,559 Speaker 1: So shocked I found it. I just named half the league. 724 00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:48,639 I was bound to find a few. 725 00:35:49,079 --> 00:35:52,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, well you finally hit right, Okay, because you have 726 00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,559 the you have the guard set up in Hero, you 727 00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:59,360 have Bam. Now you have like the primary wing who 728 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,000 can focus lot on scoring and the two way play. 729 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,840 So look, I'm I'm more interested in that. But I 730 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,639 do have a question, and I think it's I think 731 00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:12,760 it's fair to ask. I think a lot of people 732 00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:16,800 are probably glossing it over because you know, it's the Celtics. 733 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,719 Do they really take the regular season all that serious 734 00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:24,880 and whatnot? But like, it feels like Jalen did not 735 00:36:25,039 --> 00:36:27,840 have a great scoring year this year, and I feel 736 00:36:28,039 --> 00:36:32,119 I feel like last year also wasn't at least in 737 00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:35,199 some parts. He turned it on in the playoffs, but like, 738 00:36:36,559 --> 00:36:40,760 I don't know if he's the same guy that he 739 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:42,400 used to be a couple of years ago, Like can 740 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:48,000 he regain that high level scoring punch you think I 741 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,840 think he needs to? In my Yami specifically, I I just. 742 00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:53,719 Speaker 1: Wonder because you did mention last year like this year 743 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,800 had to be felt like it was injury related. He 744 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,440 was dealing with knee stuff for months. 745 00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:58,519 Speaker 2: Yeah he was. 746 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:03,079 Speaker 1: I just what I think I would do it if 747 00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,039 I'm Miami, and I probably wouldn't even think twice. I'm 748 00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:08,239 more so thinking is that enough value? If if Boston 749 00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:10,320 was to go look to move Jalen Brown? And I 750 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,880 guess what you're trying to accomplish is we want to 751 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:14,519 get someone like a young guy or a cheap guy 752 00:37:14,519 --> 00:37:17,760 who's playable, another cheap mid end contract. I'm assuming Andrew 753 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,039 Wiggins is maybe part of that, and then some draft 754 00:37:20,039 --> 00:37:23,360 equity just checks those boxes. But is there a team 755 00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:27,199 that like Khalil where Andrew Wiggins and two picks like 756 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,960 that's But I'm also like, well, would other teams just 757 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:31,159 give up more for Jalen Brown? 758 00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,000 Speaker 2: See that's the thing I don't know. I mean the 759 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:39,519 contract that's also attached to Brown. I actually have no 760 00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:41,480 idea how that's viewed around. 761 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:44,559 Speaker 1: The league, especially now to where I think, and I 762 00:37:44,559 --> 00:37:47,599 actually think you mentioned Jaron Jackson Junior, not on this podcast, 763 00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:49,960 but another one we did. He might end up being 764 00:37:50,039 --> 00:37:53,800 like a good case study in will how willing are 765 00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,119 teams to give out a supermax to these non top 766 00:37:56,159 --> 00:37:58,920 ten guys when they're eligible, Like even. 767 00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 2: If you already read my Memphis piece, because you know 768 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,480 what I mentioned in there. I mentioned in there that 769 00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:08,599 I think we might reaching that point where we shouldn't 770 00:38:08,679 --> 00:38:11,239 dismiss the one hundred and forty percent extension limit out 771 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:12,159 of hand with him. 772 00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:15,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that feels almost extreme, But I guess 773 00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:17,280 based off some of the moments we saw against the 774 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,079 like Thunder Serial was a game one, he had more 775 00:38:19,119 --> 00:38:21,199 turnovers than defensive rebounds. 776 00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:22,760 Speaker 2: Right, so eight that would start, by the way, the 777 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,719 veteran extensional started forty two point seven million. 778 00:38:26,760 --> 00:38:28,599 Speaker 1: Maybe that's the right number, but I meant also, I 779 00:38:28,599 --> 00:38:30,880 meant more so because I'm looking at it at Jalen Brown, 780 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,719 just how his contract would be viewed is just like 781 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:37,480 if Jaron Jackson is Jafon Jecktion're gonna be the first 782 00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:40,360 test of not a top fifteen player. And it's not 783 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,199 even just about giving him the supermax, but like you 784 00:38:42,199 --> 00:38:44,159 could technically give him less than the supermax. We saw 785 00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:47,079 that happen with Rudy Gobert in Utah, Right, But is 786 00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:49,920 he the like kind of the first inflection point of no, Like, 787 00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:52,119 we're not even doing that for these guys unless they're 788 00:38:52,159 --> 00:38:56,159 just auto top ten maybe like auto top fifteen players, 789 00:38:56,199 --> 00:38:59,920 which Jalen Brown in any given season sure as just 790 00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,719 an auto no. And so now wondering as teams are 791 00:39:02,719 --> 00:39:06,480 structuring their books, how do you view that contract? And 792 00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:09,159 it's it's a I think Jaln Brown's fantastic player. He 793 00:39:09,159 --> 00:39:11,400 can make all NBA any given season, and it has 794 00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:13,960 to be fair. But that's why I think, Well, then 795 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,199 maybe Miami if he was available in Boston new ownership, 796 00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:19,519 maybe looking at cut costs make the rest of the 797 00:39:19,519 --> 00:39:22,239 core more sustainable. But then the other part of me 798 00:39:22,679 --> 00:39:25,920 does think that there would be more palatable offers on 799 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,239 the table if I was to guess what right for 800 00:39:29,320 --> 00:39:33,119 Jaalen You mean Jalen Brown? Yet yeah, well look can 801 00:39:33,159 --> 00:39:35,320 I throw out another name? Then? If you're out of 802 00:39:35,320 --> 00:39:39,760 the contract. Jared Jackson Jr. 803 00:39:40,519 --> 00:39:45,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, might be the right team if they're pivoting on 804 00:39:45,559 --> 00:39:47,880 Like if Memphis is pivoting off both him and rand 805 00:39:48,599 --> 00:39:52,639 which I wouldn't be against honestly, might be the right 806 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,280 sat to learn to stop fouling and actually grab a 807 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:56,239 freaking rebound. 808 00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,320 Speaker 1: Oh he's not gonna. I think we've the rebounding and 809 00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,840 the just gonna happen. I mean, And also, is he 810 00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,679 giving you enough of a scoring punch? He's a lot 811 00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:07,199 better as a scorer, but is it enough because this 812 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:11,039 is costing you. It's the two first and khalil ware 813 00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:13,800 like that is plus other stuffy right of course. 814 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,079 Speaker 2: But to underline your scoring point, I mean, this dude 815 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:21,000 averages almost twenty seven per game per thirty six like this, 816 00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,000 this is the ball he was. 817 00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:25,039 Speaker 1: He was in the ninetieth percentile of self created shot 818 00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:27,400 making efficiency this year. That's not that's a that's a 819 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:28,239 big deal for sure. 820 00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:33,079 Speaker 2: Yep. It's it's a good one. It's a good It's 821 00:40:33,119 --> 00:40:37,039 like again, it comes down to where are we with 822 00:40:37,199 --> 00:40:40,880 him and in a playoff context, because as I was 823 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:44,800 writing that piece, whatever he does in the regular season, 824 00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,519 whatever however impressive it is, he sort of drops the 825 00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:53,159 ball in the playoffs. He was very Julius Rantle with 826 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:58,199 the Knicks playoff experience. And if you're the heat, I 827 00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,280 presume you're looking ahead and into a playoff series and 828 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,239 not just how you fare in the regular season, So 829 00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:08,320 like that would concern me. I understand it's just the 830 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,800 twenty seven game sample size for the playoffs with JJJ. 831 00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:15,159 I get that, like perhaps the change of scenery something 832 00:41:15,159 --> 00:41:16,239 else might. 833 00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:18,760 Speaker 1: And also if you're it's different for any team that's 834 00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,960 acquiring him, because you have to worry about free agency, 835 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,679 but it's not, Oh, you don't have to worry about, oh, 836 00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:25,000 do we pay him the supermax? Are close to it? 837 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:26,960 Because that's just immediately off the table then. 838 00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,639 Speaker 2: Right, I'm not opposed to it, I will say. 839 00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,840 Speaker 1: Per Jalen, even on his current deals. 840 00:41:34,039 --> 00:41:37,280 Speaker 2: Yes, I think the baseline there is higher. And I again, 841 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,679 it's the thing with me when I look at these 842 00:41:40,679 --> 00:41:43,199 guys who struggle in the postseason but dominate more or 843 00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:45,400 less in the regular season, it just like it does 844 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,360 affect how I value them money wise, and like in 845 00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,559 terms of what I would be willing to relinquish from 846 00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,840 in a trademarket. For example, I'm like, some people might 847 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,840 be ready to just go get Jaron Jackson Junior for 848 00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:00,320 basically whatever. I'm not there. 849 00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:03,679 Speaker 1: Do you have any other names that you'd like? Did 850 00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:05,599 I throw out enough names for you, many of which 851 00:42:05,639 --> 00:42:07,400 were off rip They weren't all in my notes. 852 00:42:07,519 --> 00:42:12,199 Speaker 2: I appreciate the creativity, sir. I really do very glad 853 00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:14,239 you didn't bring up Kyle Kuzma because I would have 854 00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:19,679 just left. No. So I think we're well, let me think, 855 00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:20,760 I think you. 856 00:42:21,079 --> 00:42:23,239 Speaker 1: I didn't expect you to go there right off the bat, 857 00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,760 but I do think that if you're the heat, if 858 00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:29,320 we were taking the cold, distant perspective, which that's kind 859 00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:30,840 of our job to do, but we also try and 860 00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,800 live in the reality of these teams. Tearing it down 861 00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,920 is a pretty palatable course, but just giving their aversion 862 00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,440 to rebuilding, and look, you can argue about the not 863 00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,400 you specifically, you can argue about that pick headed Charlotte 864 00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,719 in twenty seven. That's not enough of a debt, like 865 00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,400 an impediment to me to say rebuilding shouldn't be on 866 00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:51,159 the table. And if you think you can for some 867 00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,800 reason rebuild around Bam and Tyler Hero sure, but I 868 00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,599 think the exercise that we just went through showed you 869 00:42:57,639 --> 00:42:59,159 how difficult that would be. 870 00:42:59,719 --> 00:43:02,719 Speaker 2: Yes, it's fun. There is one name that would just 871 00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:06,480 make me reconsider everything. But he's He's gonna take so 872 00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:09,000 much more to get to get that's book right, like 873 00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:12,239 you would have to It's Hero would have to be involved, 874 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,760 Like it would almost be like a major retooling process. 875 00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:17,679 Speaker 1: You would do you think it would become so if 876 00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:19,480 you went, I don't know why Houston would then do 877 00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:21,440 this if they know that Miami is getting booked, but 878 00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,719 it's hey, can we get any of those Phoenix suns 879 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,719 picks and then you include that in a package with 880 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,920 Phoenix might appreciate that. I mean, if you're trading book, 881 00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:31,440 they might even care about getting Hero, So, oh you're 882 00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:34,119 gonna have like maybe maybe Houston wants Hero because he 883 00:43:34,159 --> 00:43:37,559 costs less than getting Booker, don't. Yeah, that's like fun, 884 00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:39,320 He's better. I think people that will be pushed back 885 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,000 from Rockston Tyler. Hero is better than Jayalen Green on 886 00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:44,639 offense right, just the playmaking in general, yep. 887 00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:49,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, offensively speaking yes, and speaking off of this season, yes, 888 00:43:50,920 --> 00:43:54,119 but Devin Booker is the one guy for me. Ironically 889 00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:57,519 also for Houston, who you just outlined there like. 890 00:43:57,760 --> 00:43:59,880 Speaker 1: Well, that's my point is like, well I wouldn't. I'm 891 00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:00,760 not helping another. 892 00:44:00,719 --> 00:44:03,119 Speaker 2: Right, No, no exactly, But it's kind of funny that 893 00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:06,760 I think the book specifically is a guy who can 894 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,159 go in and solve a lot of these teams that 895 00:44:10,199 --> 00:44:13,320 are sort of not stuck. I don't want to say stuck, 896 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:16,519 but like where you can see there's there's ample reason 897 00:44:16,639 --> 00:44:21,039 to continue this this path that we're on by getting book, 898 00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,920 because he can sort of elevate you, sorry to a 899 00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,719 different tier. So but the thing, rightfully, so feeding should 900 00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:30,599 be asking for the moon. 901 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, and the heat don't have the moon. They don't 902 00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,239 even have they don't have the moon, they don't even 903 00:44:36,239 --> 00:44:37,800 have the atmosphere. I don't think to get. 904 00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:41,440 Speaker 2: Into that, correct, And that's where they're in. Life's the issue. 905 00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:43,480 Speaker 1: Can you tell our listeners where they can find you 906 00:44:43,519 --> 00:44:45,719 and all the work that you do, mister more Jensen. 907 00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,519 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, you can find my work over at bluse 908 00:44:48,519 --> 00:44:50,719 guy at m s J NBA where I link out 909 00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:56,599 to Danish pods, the NBA pod, Yahoo stuff forbe stuff, 910 00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:00,480 occasionally sports illustrated stuff. And he took I can write 911 00:45:00,559 --> 00:45:02,960 some sometimes and sometimes assume you used to go right 912 00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,880 and go back and right there if it's been a while, 913 00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,400 so you can find all my work over. 914 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,480 Speaker 1: At this this times until next time, as always to 915 00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,440 shout out to the One, the only. He's a member 916 00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,880 of the Nine of mister Paul George 917 00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 2: H.