Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the
Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up
where we left off with the unnamed Captain from the
MCC and his interview with the OIG investigators. Question, all right, inmates,
cell mates, and are typically the people that are assigned
to the Shoe are they in those three shifts? Or
would you have hit the people that are assigned between
that time period? So point being, maybe you don't remember
specifically I had a conversation with that person or that
person or that person. But if they're assigned to the Shoe,
not a temporary duty assignment like an OT type of assignment,
but the people that were assigned there, that was their
duty too. He cuts them off and answers, so, like,
I remember specifically I hit Daywatch redacted, I remember redacted,
whatever his name. I remember these guys. I know I
spoke or redacted. I know I spoke to different guys
the shoe staff that was always up there. Question, but
you just don't specifically remember talking to Noel. Answer? No question, okay, answer.
She might have been in the background somewhere. Question right, answer,
she could have been there. I don't know. Question, But
redacted should have spoken with her answer of course, question okay, answer,
because that's part of that's part of the expectations of
the unit. If I give you guidance, your guidance should
have been disseminated down to the officers. Question. Okay, how
about the people? So we were going to get into
this later, but since we're conversing about it now, it
looks like Reyes was moved. I think his appointment with
court was at like eight thirty and he was gone
from the institution by like one p fifty Does that
sound right? Answer something like that. It could have been question,
so who was in the show at that time? If
he's gone from the institution by like one fifty PM,
who would have he gets cut off? Answer? So that
would have been all of your six to two and
your eight to four staff question. Okay, So I guess
let's go from the top. Who would have been the
person in charge at the top level? Answer that I
mean as far as that would have been chew one
because he would have gotten the notice that he was
supposed to move the guys question and who was at answer?
And move the inmate question? And who was at answer?
It was redacted? Question? And what time was he working from.
Answer he was working from eight to four. Question, So
he was eight to four and those times are accurate
on there. And if some lieutenant said, oh, we you know,
it says zero to eight, but we're actually ten pm
gets cut off. Answer and that's true. But the officers
work those prescribed shifts. Question okay answer. The lieutenant was
given those shifts because of their commutes. Question okay answer.
Some of them were commuting two hours out, so for
them to come from various parts of Jersey or Long Island,
you know, as a consensus, we said, hey, I will
continue because that was the previous administration. The previous captain
put that in for those guys. So you know, with
those conversations, you know, with the lieutenants, I said, I'll
keep that. I said, youano, you try to do things
where I come from, where we didn't do those things,
you know, as far as that. You know, the captain
ran his shifts, whatever the shift was, you did it.
But when I came to Brooklyn, that was a common
practice in Brooklyn. You know, the captain would allow them.
When I was a lieutenant, would allow for us, you know,
to work those shifts and due to We've got a
staff that commute far out, so that was just an
incentive to get these guys to come to work, you know.
Question sure answer, So yes, question, But the times for
these the shoe staff, that's the actual hours that listed
on that answer. But for the line staff, the line
staff that roster correctly imitates their schedule. Question perfect. So
who then, I guess you said they would be working
until four pm? Answer right question, so they would have
at least two hours to be able to do something.
Answer right question? And who was it that was on
that day? Answer? So I had redacted, I had redacted,
I had redacted, and I had redacted. Question and did
you speak with all of those individuals about the need
for a cellmate? Answer? I believe I did because they
were daywatch. But like I said, it wouldn't have been
on August ninth, question right answer, It would have been
on the unit question okay, answer for that quarter. So
once I got the guidance from redacted of what he
wanted me to do, I moved on and did it.
So I can't tell you, but I know I spoke
the day watched you staff question sure answer. They was
the first ones spoke to question, So who then ated there?
Who would have the shoe staff reported the matter to
answer the what now question? So the shoe staff that's
in there, they know that he doesn't have a cell
mate and the cell mate is not coming back. Answer okay,
so they would have known that he wasn't coming back
until probably evening. Watch question. Okay, so you don't think
that those guys would have known? Answer? No, they wouldn't
have known because I don't know when the inmate left
the institution. But what happens is when the court line
comes out. I believe that the inmates leave the institution
supposed to between six and eight or seven, you know,
let's say seven to nine. So between that time those
inmates are they're picked up, and then they're transported to
a court. Question. Okay, so what time did redacted work?
What was his shift? Answer? Redacted was eight to four? Question?
So if we can, let's assume for this instance that
redacted knows that he needs a cell mate? Answer right, question,
what should he have done? Answer? Probably wouldn't have known question.
But let's just say for this instance that he did
know answer, So if he knew question, he knew that
he needed a cell mate and he knew that the
cell mate wasn't coming back. Question. He probably wouldn't. But
what I'm trying to tell you, sir, he probably wouldn't
have known. Question. I know, but in this instance, I'm
just saying, let's just say that he did answer. Okay.
So the instance of that would have happened. What would
have happened was he should have Okay, this guy is
not coming He should have notified me question okay answer,
and should have been like, hey, cat, hey reyes Epstein's
cell mate. Hey, he went to court. He's not coming back.
Question and he did not answer. No question, okay answer. No.
One later informed me that the inmate had even went
to court. I didn't even know he went to the
court because guess what, during the time this inmate is
in court, Epstein is in attorney visiting all day. Question
sure answer. So nobody would have even thought about it because, oh,
Epstein is in the attorney visiting, his cell mate is
not in there. Okay, his cell mate went to court,
nobody would have been made aware that he didn't have
Selly until they went to put him in physically inside
of the cell. Question okay, So when do you think
it would have been in this instance, when do you
think it would have come up? Answer? As far as
knowing he didn't have a CELLI question correct answer, somebody
should have known when he didn't come. That should have
been on evening watch. Question so he was on evening watch.
Answer so evening watch. Well let's see here, you're talking
about the OIC question in the shoe. Answer, yeah, that
would have been redacted. Question okay, so redacted? And who
should have he reported the matter to? Answer? He should
have reported it to the operations lieutenant. Question and who
was the operations lieutenant at the time? Answer? I believe
the lieutenant would have been. That would have been redacted?
Question all right? And redacted? Again, you no one told
you so obviously redacted didn't tell you? So okay? And
would redacted gone directly to redacted? Answer? Yeah, he would
have called redacted. But guess what I was there. I
didn't leave that night until like eight something. I was
there until eight that night. Question right, And you did
not visit the shoe that night though? Correct answer? I
can't remember. Question all right. Answer, I'm not going to
say I did, or I did make that rounds that day,
or I didn't. I don't know. Question Yeah, answer, But
I know I didn't leave that institution until late that night. Question.
And you know though that Reys you were never aware
on that day August ninth, that Reys you didn't even
know he went to court let alone, he wasn't coming
back answer correct question all right? And redacted is somebody
that you did have a conversation with with regard to
the need for a cell mate? Correct answer. I don't
know if I again talking to people in all three shifts,
do I remember redacted working in the unit? Yeah, but
as you're talking to people, I don't remember that. Hey,
I talked. There are certain people that I can't remember
that I spoke specifically to question right answer, as opposed
to some people you know could have been in the area.
That's why I can't I know. I talked to the
day watch shoe staff for sure. Question okay, answer, and
I mentioned those names. I talked to those guys. Question So,
but redacted should have certainly have told them answer yes,
question so he's in the office in charge. Who else
was on that day? Answer? You had toven O Well
and she was the number two, and then you had
redacted toven O Well. Correct answer, Yeah, question okay, answer Noel,
And then you had redacted with shoe three that day,
and then you had shoe four was not assigned? Question okay,
So those three people were in the shoe. So was
it ultimately the officer in charge responsibility? Or should have
these other two redacted? Noel have taken any action? Should
have contacted anyone? Answer? Well, if you're walking and you're
doing rounds in the unit, you would see especially at
the fore count, because you need to know where all
your inmates are. So at the fore count, and where
is Epstein. Epstein is at He's in the attorney visiting,
because I'm going to get a count slip from the
attorney visiting right Where's Reyes? Reyes is out the court?
Then somebody should have called R and D indiscernible where
is this guy at? Somebody should have called R and D.
That means the lieutenant would have been notified because you
can't clear the count. Where's the inmate at? Question? Right? Answer, So,
if you can't clear the count, where is the inmate?
The inmate went out? But it's now four o'clock. But
I did say that sometimes inmates come back on the
four o'clock, so they call that ghosting. Supposedly he's supposed
to be at court. But did you get account slip
from court? No, when he leaves out of the institution,
that's on them. So that means the institution number should
have came down minus one. Question. So you believe that
the shoe should have known by four pm during the
four pm count? Answer? Yeah, question all right, And let's
in this case, if they didn't do a count at
four pm, should they have somehow known otherwise after that?
So would someone have contacted them and said, by the way,
this guy is not coming back? Answer right. So that
means that the four o'clock count, when you're going through
the unit, he gets cut off. Question But if you
didn't do a four pm count, So let's just say
in this instance that they didn't do a four pm count. Answer,
nobody would know. So unless they do the count, they
don't even know that the guy is not coming back.
Question Answer that's right. Question, So no one is calling
them and saying, by the way, your guy that went
to court, he's not coming back. Answer right. Question Okay, answer,
because you have told you before, sometimes inmates go to
court and they don't come back. The only time you're
going to know is when these guys always come back
from the court line by four question, okay answer, but
sometimes they don't come back at four. All right, folks,
we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next
episode dealing with the topic, we're gonna pick up where
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