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Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome to another episode of the

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Epstein Chronicles. In this episode, we're going to pick up

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where we left off with the unnamed Captain from the

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MCC and his interview with the OIG investigators. Question, all right, inmates,

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cell mates, and are typically the people that are assigned

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to the Shoe are they in those three shifts? Or

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would you have hit the people that are assigned between

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that time period? So point being, maybe you don't remember

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specifically I had a conversation with that person or that

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person or that person. But if they're assigned to the Shoe,

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not a temporary duty assignment like an OT type of assignment,

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but the people that were assigned there, that was their

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duty too. He cuts them off and answers, so, like,

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I remember specifically I hit Daywatch redacted, I remember redacted,

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whatever his name. I remember these guys. I know I

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spoke or redacted. I know I spoke to different guys

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the shoe staff that was always up there. Question, but

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you just don't specifically remember talking to Noel. Answer? No question, okay, answer.

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She might have been in the background somewhere. Question right, answer,

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she could have been there. I don't know. Question, But

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redacted should have spoken with her answer of course, question okay, answer,

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because that's part of that's part of the expectations of

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the unit. If I give you guidance, your guidance should

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have been disseminated down to the officers. Question. Okay, how

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about the people? So we were going to get into

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this later, but since we're conversing about it now, it

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looks like Reyes was moved. I think his appointment with

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court was at like eight thirty and he was gone

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from the institution by like one p fifty Does that

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sound right? Answer something like that. It could have been question,

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so who was in the show at that time? If

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he's gone from the institution by like one fifty PM,

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who would have he gets cut off? Answer? So that

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would have been all of your six to two and

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your eight to four staff question. Okay, So I guess

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let's go from the top. Who would have been the

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person in charge at the top level? Answer that I

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mean as far as that would have been chew one

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because he would have gotten the notice that he was

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supposed to move the guys question and who was at answer?

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And move the inmate question? And who was at answer?

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It was redacted? Question? And what time was he working from.

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Answer he was working from eight to four. Question, So

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he was eight to four and those times are accurate

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on there. And if some lieutenant said, oh, we you know,

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it says zero to eight, but we're actually ten pm

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gets cut off. Answer and that's true. But the officers

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work those prescribed shifts. Question okay answer. The lieutenant was

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given those shifts because of their commutes. Question okay answer.

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Some of them were commuting two hours out, so for

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them to come from various parts of Jersey or Long Island,

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you know, as a consensus, we said, hey, I will

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continue because that was the previous administration. The previous captain

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put that in for those guys. So you know, with

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those conversations, you know, with the lieutenants, I said, I'll

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keep that. I said, youano, you try to do things

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where I come from, where we didn't do those things,

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you know, as far as that. You know, the captain

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ran his shifts, whatever the shift was, you did it.

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But when I came to Brooklyn, that was a common

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practice in Brooklyn. You know, the captain would allow them.

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When I was a lieutenant, would allow for us, you know,

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to work those shifts and due to We've got a

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staff that commute far out, so that was just an

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incentive to get these guys to come to work, you know.

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Question sure answer, So yes, question, But the times for

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these the shoe staff, that's the actual hours that listed

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on that answer. But for the line staff, the line

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staff that roster correctly imitates their schedule. Question perfect. So

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who then, I guess you said they would be working

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until four pm? Answer right question, so they would have

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at least two hours to be able to do something.

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Answer right question? And who was it that was on

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that day? Answer? So I had redacted, I had redacted,

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I had redacted, and I had redacted. Question and did

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you speak with all of those individuals about the need

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for a cellmate? Answer? I believe I did because they

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were daywatch. But like I said, it wouldn't have been

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on August ninth, question right answer, It would have been

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on the unit question okay, answer for that quarter. So

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once I got the guidance from redacted of what he

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wanted me to do, I moved on and did it.

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So I can't tell you, but I know I spoke

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the day watched you staff question sure answer. They was

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the first ones spoke to question, So who then ated there?

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Who would have the shoe staff reported the matter to

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answer the what now question? So the shoe staff that's

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in there, they know that he doesn't have a cell

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mate and the cell mate is not coming back. Answer okay,

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so they would have known that he wasn't coming back

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until probably evening. Watch question. Okay, so you don't think

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that those guys would have known? Answer? No, they wouldn't

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have known because I don't know when the inmate left

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the institution. But what happens is when the court line

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comes out. I believe that the inmates leave the institution

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supposed to between six and eight or seven, you know,

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let's say seven to nine. So between that time those

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inmates are they're picked up, and then they're transported to

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a court. Question. Okay, so what time did redacted work?

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What was his shift? Answer? Redacted was eight to four? Question?

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So if we can, let's assume for this instance that

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redacted knows that he needs a cell mate? Answer right, question,

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what should he have done? Answer? Probably wouldn't have known question.

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But let's just say for this instance that he did

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know answer, So if he knew question, he knew that

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he needed a cell mate and he knew that the

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cell mate wasn't coming back. Question. He probably wouldn't. But

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what I'm trying to tell you, sir, he probably wouldn't

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have known. Question. I know, but in this instance, I'm

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just saying, let's just say that he did answer. Okay.

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So the instance of that would have happened. What would

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have happened was he should have Okay, this guy is

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not coming He should have notified me question okay answer,

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and should have been like, hey, cat, hey reyes Epstein's

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cell mate. Hey, he went to court. He's not coming back.

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Question and he did not answer. No question, okay answer. No.

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One later informed me that the inmate had even went

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to court. I didn't even know he went to the

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court because guess what, during the time this inmate is

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in court, Epstein is in attorney visiting all day. Question

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sure answer. So nobody would have even thought about it because, oh,

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Epstein is in the attorney visiting, his cell mate is

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not in there. Okay, his cell mate went to court,

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nobody would have been made aware that he didn't have

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Selly until they went to put him in physically inside

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of the cell. Question okay, So when do you think

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it would have been in this instance, when do you

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think it would have come up? Answer? As far as

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knowing he didn't have a CELLI question correct answer, somebody

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should have known when he didn't come. That should have

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been on evening watch. Question so he was on evening watch.

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Answer so evening watch. Well let's see here, you're talking

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about the OIC question in the shoe. Answer, yeah, that

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would have been redacted. Question okay, so redacted? And who

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should have he reported the matter to? Answer? He should

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have reported it to the operations lieutenant. Question and who

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was the operations lieutenant at the time? Answer? I believe

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the lieutenant would have been. That would have been redacted?

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Question all right? And redacted? Again, you no one told

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you so obviously redacted didn't tell you? So okay? And

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would redacted gone directly to redacted? Answer? Yeah, he would

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have called redacted. But guess what I was there. I

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didn't leave that night until like eight something. I was

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there until eight that night. Question right, And you did

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not visit the shoe that night though? Correct answer? I

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can't remember. Question all right. Answer, I'm not going to

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say I did, or I did make that rounds that day,

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or I didn't. I don't know. Question Yeah, answer, But

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I know I didn't leave that institution until late that night. Question.

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And you know though that Reys you were never aware

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on that day August ninth, that Reys you didn't even

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know he went to court let alone, he wasn't coming

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back answer correct question all right? And redacted is somebody

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that you did have a conversation with with regard to

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the need for a cell mate? Correct answer. I don't

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know if I again talking to people in all three shifts,

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do I remember redacted working in the unit? Yeah, but

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as you're talking to people, I don't remember that. Hey,

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I talked. There are certain people that I can't remember

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that I spoke specifically to question right answer, as opposed

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to some people you know could have been in the area.

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That's why I can't I know. I talked to the

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day watch shoe staff for sure. Question okay, answer, and

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I mentioned those names. I talked to those guys. Question So,

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but redacted should have certainly have told them answer yes,

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question so he's in the office in charge. Who else

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was on that day? Answer? You had toven O Well

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and she was the number two, and then you had

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redacted toven O Well. Correct answer, Yeah, question okay, answer Noel,

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And then you had redacted with shoe three that day,

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and then you had shoe four was not assigned? Question okay,

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So those three people were in the shoe. So was

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it ultimately the officer in charge responsibility? Or should have

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these other two redacted? Noel have taken any action? Should

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have contacted anyone? Answer? Well, if you're walking and you're

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doing rounds in the unit, you would see especially at

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the fore count, because you need to know where all

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your inmates are. So at the fore count, and where

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is Epstein. Epstein is at He's in the attorney visiting,

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because I'm going to get a count slip from the

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attorney visiting right Where's Reyes? Reyes is out the court?

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Then somebody should have called R and D indiscernible where

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is this guy at? Somebody should have called R and D.

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That means the lieutenant would have been notified because you

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can't clear the count. Where's the inmate at? Question? Right? Answer, So,

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if you can't clear the count, where is the inmate?

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The inmate went out? But it's now four o'clock. But

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I did say that sometimes inmates come back on the

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four o'clock, so they call that ghosting. Supposedly he's supposed

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to be at court. But did you get account slip

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from court? No, when he leaves out of the institution,

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that's on them. So that means the institution number should

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have came down minus one. Question. So you believe that

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the shoe should have known by four pm during the

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four pm count? Answer? Yeah, question all right, And let's

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in this case, if they didn't do a count at

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four pm, should they have somehow known otherwise after that?

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So would someone have contacted them and said, by the way,

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this guy is not coming back? Answer right. So that

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means that the four o'clock count, when you're going through

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the unit, he gets cut off. Question But if you

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didn't do a four pm count, So let's just say

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in this instance that they didn't do a four pm count. Answer,

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nobody would know. So unless they do the count, they

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don't even know that the guy is not coming back.

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Question Answer that's right. Question, So no one is calling

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them and saying, by the way, your guy that went

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to court, he's not coming back. Answer right. Question Okay, answer,

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because you have told you before, sometimes inmates go to

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court and they don't come back. The only time you're

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going to know is when these guys always come back

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from the court line by four question, okay answer, but

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sometimes they don't come back at four. All right, folks,

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we're gonna wrap up right here, and in the next

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