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Speaker 2: I hope you're doing well. Today. We are covering a
Speaker 2: topic that we haven't given enough time to and that
Speaker 2: is strange Earth humans or the anomalies of Homo sapien sapient.
Speaker 2: Are there other branches that are not being discussed. Are
Speaker 2: there physical remains of beings who walk the planet that
Speaker 2: are being covered up? And that's our topic today. We're
Speaker 2: going to cover a number of parts of the world
Speaker 2: where humans are human like beings are being unearthed and
Speaker 2: not really studied well. And there is a prevailing I
Speaker 2: guess you could call it feeling of disinformation or cover up,
Speaker 2: or just no interest in digging in and analyzing the
Speaker 2: remains of unusual earth beings almost Sapien schampions. Years ago,
Speaker 2: when I was beginning to study the Maya, there were
Speaker 2: a number of grave sites that had been discovered in
Speaker 2: the northern Yucotan area, and when they were excavating some
Speaker 2: of these grave sites, they were unveiling people with long heads,
Speaker 2: elongated skulls, some that were not headbound, and there were
Speaker 2: other anatomical strangeness that was being found in Mexican grave
Speaker 2: sites that were just not explained today. One of the
Speaker 2: most odd people in the world are the Parakis people
Speaker 2: of Peru. And they're odd because they have much denser
Speaker 2: bones than we do. They have what looks like another rib,
Speaker 2: and we have no idea what their organs were like
Speaker 2: what their brain capacity was, but we do know that
Speaker 2: they had heads that were between fifteen and thirty percent
Speaker 2: longer and also held greater brain mass. Now what does
Speaker 2: that mean. That means that they had natural, occurring larger
Speaker 2: heads than we had. And when you see one of
Speaker 2: these skeletons, it's shocking. It's shocking because they are the
Speaker 2: skulls are massive, but they're not headbound, because if they
Speaker 2: were a headbound it would be the same amount of
Speaker 2: brain matter. These individuals and we'll learn more about this today,
Speaker 2: had very unusual bodies and skeletal remains. They're headset on
Speaker 2: their body frame much different on the spinal cord, its
Speaker 2: set differently. They likely had different organs than we do,
Speaker 2: and they also are not in just practice. There's long
Speaker 2: heads in Egypt, China, Mexico, and Malta, and these are
Speaker 2: all places where there are ancient ruins. Now a number
Speaker 2: of people are guessing that these are pre Deluvian people,
Speaker 2: pre flood or asteroid hit, and so the estimate in
Speaker 2: losses of life are in the tens of millions, if
Speaker 2: not more. If this asteroid hit damaged the Earth to
Speaker 2: the point where all but a few percent of humanity
Speaker 2: was left alive, that means we may have lost not
Speaker 2: only different animal species that we'll never see again, but
Speaker 2: we may have lost countless cultures and civilizations unique to
Speaker 2: our planet. Years ago, about oh, I would say five
Speaker 2: years ago, we had an author on who believed that
Speaker 2: Earth's gravitational field was much different than it is now,
Speaker 2: and that's because the Earth was further away from the Sun,
Speaker 2: and then it came closer to the Sun, and then
Speaker 2: it had different periods of Earth's history. But if gravity
Speaker 2: is less than it is now, the ability for people
Speaker 2: that have different physical features is enhanced. We know this
Speaker 2: because the dinosaurs, and this is the theory of this
Speaker 2: gentleman who had this ancient earth theory. The dinosaurs came
Speaker 2: around because the Earth was not in the same geocentric
Speaker 2: orbit around the Sun that it was that it is now,
Speaker 2: and so animal life was bigger. Likely humans were bigger.
Speaker 2: This may be the reason for giants, and there may
Speaker 2: have been select hominin types. Human beings that were had
Speaker 2: larger heads, had bigger bodies, had denser bones to hold
Speaker 2: their great weight. So it still remains to be seen now.
Speaker 2: One of the funny things about today's interview is that
Speaker 2: the topic comes up of cover up. The topic comes
Speaker 2: up of not wanting to know what was the previous
Speaker 2: epoch about who were the previous people. I don't understand
Speaker 2: how that can be, but when you go to natural
Speaker 2: history museums you can see that there's a lot of editing.
Speaker 2: And I always tell people when you are in Mexico
Speaker 2: or South America, check out the museums because you're going
Speaker 2: to see stuff that it would be off limits to
Speaker 2: Western culture. Museums like the United States or Europe. That's
Speaker 2: because there's a great deal of editing that's done. We're
Speaker 2: only allowed to see certain things, the status quo, certain
Speaker 2: types of animals, certain types of human remains. But again
Speaker 2: the question comes for me is why are these practice
Speaker 2: people with these amazing skulls and very unusual features not
Speaker 2: studied with greater detail. It doesn't make any sense with
Speaker 2: all the universities that we have out there, the study
Speaker 2: of an unusual race of humans, it would really really
Speaker 2: be of great fascination. So today's program is Strange Earth Humans.
Speaker 2: And my guest today is Brian Forster. We're speaking to
Speaker 2: Brian Forrester today, And if you're not familiar with his work,
Speaker 2: he has been trekking the world and looking and reporting
Speaker 2: on not only evidence of advanced technology in Peru, where
Speaker 2: he's located, but also in Egypt, Mexico, all over the place.
Speaker 2: And he's done an excellent job in twenty plus books
Speaker 2: that he's written over the years on that topic. But
Speaker 2: I'm fascinated in Brian's work with what I would call
Speaker 2: a lost or a lost civilizations. These are Homo sapien
Speaker 2: sapien branches or genesis groups of people that have come
Speaker 2: and gone and we don't know how old they are.
Speaker 2: And the great thing about Brian's work is that he
Speaker 2: has actually taking a good stab at this and documented
Speaker 2: not only the Parakas people who are very strange and
Speaker 2: atomically based in Peru, but also groups in Europe and
Speaker 2: New Mexico and has been documenting this work for a
Speaker 2: number of years. So we're going to talk about that today.
Speaker 2: The reason I'm bringing this up is that we have
Speaker 2: great evidence for advanced technology, advanced science, perhaps advanced physics,
Speaker 2: but who is behind this? And again another question Brian
Speaker 2: brings up is are these pre Deiluvion? Are these people
Speaker 2: that are so old we don't know about them because
Speaker 2: they were destroyed in the Great Catechism catechism that people
Speaker 2: like Graham Hancock and others describe. So Brian, welcome to
Speaker 2: Earth Ancient's great to have you on the program to
Speaker 2: talk a little bit about your work. You have been
Speaker 2: Jesus a couple of decades worth of research working with
Speaker 2: the dynastic Egyptian area. You've been doing tours in Egypt
Speaker 2: and in Peru, and you write in your bio that
Speaker 2: you initially got interested in this on a trip to
Speaker 2: I guess Cusco and these huge cyclopic megalithic walls, and
Speaker 2: that was kind of like a starting play. Talk a
Speaker 2: little bit about your interest.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, Actually the first state that I was sant Custo,
Speaker 4: where I lived actually for five years. I noticed it there.
Speaker 4: I hired a local guide and he showed me around
Speaker 4: and we looked at simple stone structures and then these
Speaker 4: megalithic structures and I said, who did all of that?
Speaker 4: And he said, the INCA did all of it. And
Speaker 4: I said, that's impossible. You know, the megalithic work, you
Speaker 4: can't fit a human hair in the joints. They're talking
Speaker 4: huge stones in terms of construction, different styles. Really piqued
Speaker 4: my interest, and then I looked up in the standard
Speaker 4: academic papers about it, and all of the academics and
Speaker 4: archaeologists insists that the megaalitic work was also done by
Speaker 4: the income and it's like they had copper choosel you know,
Speaker 4: it's ridiculous. So my tension just became more and more
Speaker 4: drawn to Peru, and eventually, about fifteen years ago, I
Speaker 4: moved there in order to pursue this fascinating subject.
Speaker 2: Interesting, now you took it one step beyond just looking
Speaker 2: at the evidence of what looks like advanced science technology,
Speaker 2: you began studying the actual people. And when did you
Speaker 2: come across the skeletal remains of the practice people, Because
Speaker 2: this is really what your concentration has been, and I
Speaker 2: we're going to focus a little bit on that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was about I would guess thirteen or so
Speaker 4: years ago. I walked into a little museum in the
Speaker 4: little town of Caracas and saw these enormous elongated skulls
Speaker 4: and became great friends with the director of the museum.
Speaker 4: And you know, the cranial volume in some cases is
Speaker 4: thirty percent larger than almost sapient sapien. So I thought, obviously,
Speaker 4: something very strange is going on here. And through the
Speaker 4: years I've been able to document hundreds of these skulls.
Speaker 4: I've been able to see a few mummies as well,
Speaker 4: including unborn babies at eight months old in utero that
Speaker 4: had elongated heads. And you know, it is a fascinating
Speaker 4: subject that few people have pursued as heavily as I have.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have documented it and written a number of
Speaker 2: books and papers and had YouTube channel videos on it.
Speaker 2: Why isn't this subject more of interest to scientists universities,
Speaker 2: because if this is a branch of human that we're
Speaker 2: not familiar with, we should be all over this.
Speaker 4: I know it's actually being blocked by academics. We did
Speaker 4: some initial DNA testing of I think twenty three elongated skulls,
Speaker 4: and the results did not satisfy the archaeologists we were
Speaker 4: working with. He said, you must have contaminated every sample
Speaker 4: because he expected and the DNA in the matriarch or
Speaker 4: in the female DNA that we were analyzing, and it
Speaker 4: turned out not to be like in twenty one cases.
Speaker 4: It was more akin to elongated skulls found in Eurasia,
Speaker 4: especially around the Black Sea. So immediately he said, well,
Speaker 4: you must have contaminated the DNA and you're not allowed
Speaker 4: to do any more testing. That's weird, Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: What did you find in the DNA? Did you find
Speaker 2: that there were branches from I mean, because this is
Speaker 2: obviously in peruge Is in South America. Did you find
Speaker 2: that there were links to other parts of the world.
Speaker 2: Was it a was it a breakdown of known DNA
Speaker 2: and then some really unusual DNA? What did you where
Speaker 2: did you find in your testing?
Speaker 4: Well, the only other really big elongated skulls that I've
Speaker 4: been able to find existed around the Black Sea and
Speaker 4: Casidian Sea area about at the same time as the practice.
Speaker 4: And so the DNA that we got from the Parractice
Speaker 4: female DNA matched exactly the haplogroups that we find in
Speaker 4: and around the Black Sea and Castid and Sea area,
Speaker 4: so there must be a connection. Again, only two samples
Speaker 4: showed and Indian DNA.
Speaker 2: And the rest of it was European, Eurasian, Eurasian. Fascinating. Uh,
Speaker 2: you know, it's funny because about I want to say,
Speaker 2: ten years ago, I ran across an article written by
Speaker 2: a pathologist who had studied a cranium from UH parractice,
Speaker 2: and he came to the same conclusion without really cutting
Speaker 2: the head up. He believed that this sample of this
Speaker 2: individual was had a brain capacity between fifteen and thirty
Speaker 2: percent greater than our own, and he was curious as
Speaker 2: to where they came from. But I'd like you to
Speaker 2: describe a little bit the anatomical differences between Homo sapien
Speaker 2: sapient craniums and what makes UH the praractice cranium so unusual.
Speaker 4: Well, one of the main ones is the lack of
Speaker 4: the sagital suture, which with the future that goes from
Speaker 4: the front of your forehead down all the way to
Speaker 4: the back of your head. It's completely missing in the
Speaker 4: oldest examples, which no doctor so far has been able
Speaker 4: to satisfactorily explain. Also, the eye sockets are larger than
Speaker 4: normal by about thirty percent, the jaw is much more
Speaker 4: robust than a standard Homo sapien stapiens, and the forming magnum,
Speaker 4: which is where your spinal column enters at the bottom
Speaker 4: of your skull, is a full two and a half
Speaker 4: centimeters or one inch inch back from where it should be.
Speaker 2: So were these a large people of small people? When
Speaker 2: you observe a number of their remains? What is the
Speaker 2: average height of these people?
Speaker 4: Between five foot nine and sixty.
Speaker 2: Oh, so they're not small at all. They're actually yeah,
Speaker 2: they're actually tall. What would you say? You know, it's
Speaker 2: funny because when I read your work, I'm always interested
Speaker 2: in where are their cities, where are their ruins? We
Speaker 2: don't really show major practice ruins or are their ruins.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there are three or four locations in the practice
Speaker 4: area that have not been well excavated, but the evidence
Speaker 4: suggests that they lived underground.
Speaker 2: Jeesuz really.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that they literally built their houses underground, you know,
Speaker 4: with a latch door of some kind on top or
Speaker 4: a flap to open up in order to go out
Speaker 4: and come back in. So yeah, the main habitation, which
Speaker 4: for distance you could still see the outline of the
Speaker 4: city foundation, was probably about a thousand people. But they're
Speaker 4: all underground dwellings.
Speaker 2: Does it feel to you that they may have migrated
Speaker 2: from somewhere else too.
Speaker 4: I think they operated from the Black Sea Council in
Speaker 4: Sea area.
Speaker 2: So they were maybe what they decided to do some
Speaker 2: exploration and that's how they migrated. Or did they migrate
Speaker 2: because they were kicked out of the Casmian area.
Speaker 4: I think they were probably chased out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny because you also worked with the Maria Wheatley.
Speaker 2: We had Maria on the program and she wrote a
Speaker 2: book about the Stonehenge and some of the skeletory remains
Speaker 2: that she found there and those are smaller people with
Speaker 2: elongated heads, but they were actually killed by the locals.
Speaker 2: So is it the belief that you have possibly that
Speaker 2: these long heads were treated as pariah?
Speaker 4: I think so. I think it's a standard you know,
Speaker 4: story through history on every continent of an invading force
Speaker 4: coming in and forcing up the indigenous population rather than
Speaker 4: mixing in with them and absorbing them. So I honestly
Speaker 4: think that's what happened. There's a migration that happened probably
Speaker 4: around one thousand BC.
Speaker 2: Okay, so it's old, but not seriously old. In your
Speaker 2: book on Catastrophic Events, do you think that these long
Speaker 2: heads are part of an earlier civilization that was worldwide?
Speaker 4: Well, we honestly don't know as far as as far
Speaker 4: as we can tell. The along you get head to
Speaker 4: people go back to about one thousand eight or one
Speaker 4: thousand BC. But farther back than that, we honestly don't
Speaker 4: know because there's been so little, there's been very little
Speaker 4: carbon fourteen testing of the stulls.
Speaker 2: What you got feeling on that? Why would they not
Speaker 2: be interested in these wonderful skeletal remains that are so unusual.
Speaker 4: I think they don't want the paradigm shifted. I mean,
Speaker 4: the evidence is mounting. You know, some of the work
Speaker 4: haven't been done by me, but I think it's like
Speaker 4: the same thing with the megalithic structures. Each aptologists and
Speaker 4: other academics simply will not entertain the idea that there
Speaker 4: was advanced technology before the time of the Pharaoh or
Speaker 4: the Inca, et cetera. But luckily that's starting to crumble now.
Speaker 4: The younger academics are much more open minded, probably because
Speaker 4: of the existence of YouTube.
Speaker 2: That's funny. What do we know? What do we suspect
Speaker 2: is their cultural development? Are they, would you say, scientifically advanced?
Speaker 2: You have books and papers on stone cutting, on tubular
Speaker 2: drills and advance stone masonry techniques. Do you think that
Speaker 2: the practice and perhaps these other long hands were from
Speaker 2: or the descent is from a very advanced culture.
Speaker 4: I don't think so. The practice seemed to have been
Speaker 4: more than anything of Stone Age culture because the artifacts
Speaker 4: that we find, you find the odd gold and silver artifact,
Speaker 4: but it seems that stone tools were mainly what they utilized.
Speaker 4: So they were definitely not responsible for any of the
Speaker 4: megalithic construction as far as I can tell. They were
Speaker 4: great at agriculture and fishing and seafaring and things like that.
Speaker 2: Okay. In the book that you wrote with David Patrick Childress,
Speaker 2: The Enigma of Cranial Deformation, you believe that and actually
Speaker 2: show that these long heads are found in Egypt, South America, Mexico, Malta,
Speaker 2: and in China. Now are they all as long as
Speaker 2: the practice people or are they just they just have
Speaker 2: longer heads than we currently have.
Speaker 4: Well, almost all of those examples of the result of
Speaker 4: cranial deformation are headbinding. The practice of the only ones
Speaker 4: and the ones in Eurasia are the evidence that they
Speaker 4: were born naturally with elongated heads. So, and as we
Speaker 4: discuss larger cranial volume than normal, which you can't do
Speaker 4: with deformation. You can't change the volume of a skull,
Speaker 4: So that's genetics.
Speaker 2: So if we have these elongated heads, why were people
Speaker 2: binding their heads following perhaps that phase in human history?
Speaker 2: Was it because they wanted to replicate those craniums or
Speaker 2: was it something else?
Speaker 4: I think it was to try to replicate, replicate, or
Speaker 4: copy living beings that existed in their ancestry. So that's
Speaker 4: the case that we find with the practice. As the
Speaker 4: practice began to mix in with the later Nasca culture,
Speaker 4: because the Nasca people look normal, so over the generations,
Speaker 4: the skulls began to shrink in size, and so I
Speaker 4: think that's why they decided to start binding the skulls
Speaker 4: in order to replicate the look of what the ancestors
Speaker 4: looked like.
Speaker 2: I've had a couple of people on the program who
Speaker 2: believe that this skull difformation was done so the pituitary
Speaker 2: at the pituitary, the pineal gland could be enhanced in
Speaker 2: some way. And the belief is that these elongheaded people
Speaker 2: who had natural skull skull that size, had more of
Speaker 2: a psychic awareness or enhance perception cognitive perception because of
Speaker 2: their brains. What do you say to that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that because we see a lot
Speaker 4: of examples of trepanation amongst the Paractis people, and quite
Speaker 4: often it appears to be in the front or the
Speaker 4: back of the skull. If it was the result of warfare,
Speaker 4: you have a tendency for the trepanation or brain surgery
Speaker 4: to happen on the side of the skull because you
Speaker 4: naturally try to whack someone on the side of their
Speaker 4: head rather than in the front of the back. So
Speaker 4: I think there is evidence that ancient surgery was being
Speaker 4: performed by the Parakis people in order to trigger the
Speaker 4: pineal gland to release ancient ancestral powers that were probably
Speaker 4: lost with the course of centuries.
Speaker 2: And that brings me to another subject, Brian, is it
Speaker 2: is it? Are we not looking close enough at the
Speaker 2: brains of these guys, these practice people and these other
Speaker 2: cultures that had long heads. Perhaps they were working on
Speaker 2: a different level than we are currently. You know, we're
Speaker 2: all consumed about making a buck and you know, living
Speaker 2: in a lifestyle. Perhaps they were more spiritual in nature.
Speaker 2: Maybe they were working with earth energies to lurk fields
Speaker 2: and things like that that we don't understand.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. Also, there's no evidence of weaponry
Speaker 4: amongst the practice that I've been able to find, So
Speaker 4: they seem to have been a very peaceful, highly intellectual,
Speaker 4: highly spiritual people who again, when the invasion of the
Speaker 4: Nasca people appeared around one hundred BC to one hundred
Speaker 4: d D, they were slaughtered wholesale.
Speaker 2: Really wow, do we have any go ahead?
Speaker 4: We found a mass grave the dates from about one
Speaker 4: hundred d D. Excuse me, where about fifty individuals were
Speaker 4: literally dump in a in a pit and rapidly buried,
Speaker 4: not in a graceful or respectful manner. See you know,
Speaker 4: bone swing over to the left, to the right. Almost
Speaker 4: all of the stalls showed major trauma to the head.
Speaker 2: M has anyone been able to get a complete practice
Speaker 2: brain to study?
Speaker 4: Oh no, No, the brains tended to be removed during
Speaker 4: before burial. Wow.
Speaker 2: Really m hmm, that's fascinating. What do we have in
Speaker 2: the form of literature or writing. Is there a language
Speaker 2: or a alphabet or something written from the practice people?
Speaker 4: No, nothing at all.
Speaker 2: That's fascinating, isn't it? Nothing at all? Is it because
Speaker 2: you think it's been buried or tossed aside, or the
Speaker 2: remaining people were kind of regressed from the originals.
Speaker 4: I think it was a regression. I don't think they've
Speaker 4: developed like a hieroglyphic or glyphic system. It was all
Speaker 4: likely oral tradition being passed down.
Speaker 2: Interesting, you've been on ancient aliens a number of times.
Speaker 2: Do you have any feeling that these are off world
Speaker 2: hybrids of some kind?
Speaker 4: I entertained the idea because again, they they suddenly appear
Speaker 4: around one thousand BC and disappear around one That's it's
Speaker 4: too short a time for evolution. So it's believed or
Speaker 4: I'm open to the possibility that they actually did come
Speaker 4: from somewhere else a planet, arrived and then bred with
Speaker 4: local hominids.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a short commercial break to allow
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Speaker 2: with my guest today, Brian Forster discussing strange Earth humans.
Speaker 2: We'll be right back. My guess is Brian Forster, who's
Speaker 2: written over twenty books on advanced machining in different parts
Speaker 2: of the world and also unusual humans, most notably practice
Speaker 2: the practice people of Peru. You can see a small
Speaker 2: gallery of these unusual people on the Facebook page. Go
Speaker 2: to Facebook, go to Earth Ancients and there'll be a
Speaker 2: gallery of some of the most unusual skeletal remains ever discovered.
Speaker 2: So they came to Europe and then migrated to Parracice.
Speaker 2: This is where you're finding them. Is that what your
Speaker 2: suggestion is?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I believe.
Speaker 2: So, Okay, how do how do the Paractice people compare
Speaker 2: to the long heads that Maria Wheatley discovered in the
Speaker 2: Stonehenge area.
Speaker 4: Well, as far as I can tell, what Maria found
Speaker 4: again were examples of headbinding, our cranial deformation, so a
Speaker 4: not overly large skull in proportion to the body. So
Speaker 4: that's what makes the Paractice quite unique. As far as
Speaker 4: I can tell, I.
Speaker 2: Thought that that the queen that she found in that
Speaker 2: one long burrow was a natural cranium, is it? So
Speaker 2: you're saying that it was it was headbound?
Speaker 4: Well, actually that I don't know. I haven't been able
Speaker 4: to get a copy of her book yet. So whatever
Speaker 4: Maria says, I believe because she is a you know,
Speaker 4: a very good researcher and scholar, So if that's what
Speaker 4: she says, But I'm yeah, I'm still waiting to get
Speaker 4: a copy of the book to be able to actually
Speaker 4: look at the diagrams of the skulls that have been found.
Speaker 2: You're the first researcher, Brian that has somewhat speculated that
Speaker 2: there could be off world genetics involved with these practice people,
Speaker 2: because they're so unusual looking. Where else in the world
Speaker 2: do we have examples of heads that are as big
Speaker 2: as the parractice people. I mean, I haven't seen them,
Speaker 2: but maybe you can reference a few other locations.
Speaker 4: Again, only around the Black Sea and Cassidy and Sea area,
Speaker 4: also in Crimea. So if you look up, you know,
Speaker 4: you can look up on a search Anngine Russian elongated
Speaker 4: skulls or Crimean elongated skulls and you'll find some very
Speaker 4: good recent examples in the last five years that have
Speaker 4: been found, especially in Crimea for some reason.
Speaker 2: And are there burials unusual or are they just like
Speaker 2: anybody else locally? Is there anything unique about these long
Speaker 2: heads in Crimea and Eastern Europe, Well.
Speaker 4: They seem to be people of royal lineage, and the
Speaker 4: same thing in that with the practice. I know they
Speaker 4: recently found the burial of a young child about two
Speaker 4: years old, and the head is enormously large, so that's
Speaker 4: a good one to look out.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of speculation that the pharaoh Akinaaten and
Speaker 2: his daughters, who are portrayed as very long headed beings,
Speaker 2: were offshoots of long headed races. What do you say
Speaker 2: to that.
Speaker 4: Well, I know the depictions are his daughters, like the
Speaker 4: sculptors especially, are very anatomically fascinating. I would think that
Speaker 4: whoever the artisan was who made the stone bus would
Speaker 4: have to have had an example to refer to Arconaunton.
Speaker 4: I don't believe was particularly odd looking, but his daughter's
Speaker 4: definitely are portrayed as having like long skulls sweeping backwards,
Speaker 4: not vertical like the practice. But I just wish, you know,
Speaker 4: I had access to a larger collection of artifacts in
Speaker 4: Egypt to be able to see actual examples of some
Speaker 4: of the older skulls that they have in their collection.
Speaker 4: But as far as I know, nothing's been put on display,
Speaker 4: not even in the new Grand Egyptian Museum but just
Speaker 4: opened up recently.
Speaker 2: And you suspect that this is a kind of a
Speaker 2: worldwide epidemic of reducing our knowledge or hiding this data
Speaker 2: simply because it brings up questions about the previous epoch. Oh, definitely,
Speaker 2: And why what's the big deal, Brian? Why why why
Speaker 2: don't we why can't we learn about these things?
Speaker 4: Well? As I As I said, the younger academics are
Speaker 4: much more open minded to it. I think over the
Speaker 4: course of time, a lot of so called out of
Speaker 4: place artifacts will wind up being put on display in
Speaker 4: museums because they can't hide the evidence forever.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. And I mean speculate why there is an issue?
Speaker 2: I mean I would I would think they would want
Speaker 2: to know that the previous civilization perhaps had their own physics,
Speaker 2: had their own science, and this is why we see
Speaker 2: so many archaeological anomalies in the ancient parts of the world.
Speaker 4: Well, I guess it's the old story of a student
Speaker 4: learns from his professor, become becomes a professor, teaches the
Speaker 4: same information to the students, and it goes on and
Speaker 4: on and on like that. At least that's been the
Speaker 4: history of this. But as more and more strange artifacts
Speaker 4: and body parts starts showing up, it can't be kept
Speaker 4: hidden forever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you been able to get a complete skeleton
Speaker 2: of a praatis person? And I think at some point
Speaker 2: I read that not only did you do DNA, but
Speaker 2: did you have a group come down and actually get
Speaker 2: permission from the government to do some kind of an
Speaker 2: analysis or pathological analysis of a practice body.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 4: We've been trying to actually La Marzouli, who has been
Speaker 4: very a very big part of all of this study.
Speaker 4: And about five years ago, he and I and his
Speaker 4: cameraman we're given access to a private museum and La
Speaker 4: and his cameraman immediately focused on this display case of
Speaker 4: elongated skulls. And then I looked to the left and
Speaker 4: I said to it, here's a mummy, and they're on
Speaker 4: display was a complete adult Bracas mummy. We tried to
Speaker 4: ask permission to take DNA samples and we're told no,
Speaker 4: we're not allowed to because a group from Harvard is analyzing,
Speaker 4: they have exclusive access. But I'm hoping in the near
Speaker 4: future that I'll be able to go back to that
Speaker 4: little private museum and get access to the mummy, to
Speaker 4: be able to photograph and film properly. I was a
Speaker 4: lot of three photographs and that was it. Then we
Speaker 4: were told we had to leave.
Speaker 2: Describe the mummy. Was it was it like an Egyptian
Speaker 2: mummy or was it just wrapped up and it had
Speaker 2: the covering of this longated head.
Speaker 4: Actually it was mainly or largely uncovered, so I could
Speaker 4: see all the skin. I could see the head, I
Speaker 4: could see the neck, I could see the shape of
Speaker 4: the elongated skull. It was you know, probably an individual
Speaker 4: in his or her twenties or thirties. I was just
Speaker 4: I was so shocked to be able to see that.
Speaker 4: But as I say, up till now, we've not been
Speaker 4: able to get access to it to be able to
Speaker 4: do proper photography, filmmaking, or forensic analysis.
Speaker 2: Talk about your associate, Go ahead, I'm sorry.
Speaker 4: But the door may open for that door may open.
Speaker 2: It excellent. Talk about your association with this practice museum.
Speaker 2: I've seen pictures of you holding these monstrosities of head.
Speaker 2: Some of them are red hair. What's the red hair
Speaker 2: all about?
Speaker 4: Well, the red hair is genetic, definitely. Some people say
Speaker 4: that they were dyed or tinted or something, but I've
Speaker 4: seen at least thirty or four examples of caracas, elongated heads,
Speaker 4: mummified heads with this dark auburn red hair, and it
Speaker 4: definitely appears to be natural, not some kind of tinting
Speaker 4: or dying or bleaching.
Speaker 2: And is there an association with other people that have
Speaker 2: red hair? Is that give? Is that a clue for
Speaker 2: some group of other people?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Again, I think Eurasia, Eurasia, Okay, yeah, because people
Speaker 4: mistakenly think that red hair comes from Scotland or Ireland,
Speaker 4: but it's much more ancient than that. It goes back
Speaker 4: to the Middle East center to the Eurasia area.
Speaker 2: How many skulls are in that little museum that you're like,
Speaker 2: it's like a solid glass building, but obviously you're showing
Speaker 2: the encasements for these calls, But how many skulls are
Speaker 2: in that collection?
Speaker 4: Well, unfortunately the museum closed just before COVID.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, so it's not open anymore.
Speaker 4: So then the directive guide, possibly due to COVID. He
Speaker 4: was in his early eighties, and so his uh, his
Speaker 4: children still have the collection of artifacts, but they're stored
Speaker 4: in boxes in their houses. They're no longer on public display.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, are there any museums in Peru or
Speaker 2: any place in South America like Bolivia that have mummies
Speaker 2: or any remains of practice individuals.
Speaker 4: Well or related people. There's a tiny museum on Lake
Speaker 4: Chiticaka in Beligia that I've been to a few times,
Speaker 4: and there is an looks like about a one and
Speaker 4: a half year old child that has an enormously elongated head.
Speaker 4: I wasn't allowed to photograph it until I bribed the
Speaker 4: man who unlocked the door. Also there's a little music,
Speaker 4: a tiny music. This is all in private museum, not
Speaker 4: in public museums. But there's another museum of a little
Speaker 4: village called Pata Patani, and I've had access to that
Speaker 4: one twice, and there is a I took doctor or a
Speaker 4: physician with me both times, and there's a twelve to
Speaker 4: thirteen year old female with an enormous elongated skull, probably
Speaker 4: one and a half times normal. And then right next
Speaker 4: to it is a eight month old fetus with a
Speaker 4: spell the size of its torso oh. Both both doctors
Speaker 4: believe that they were mother and baby who died during childbirth.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, it's amazing. So are these other beings that
Speaker 2: are being found in other parts of South America? Are
Speaker 2: they all related to Paracas people or is there another
Speaker 2: group that is as odd is the Parakice people that
Speaker 2: are in that area.
Speaker 4: I think there are probably other groups. So I don't
Speaker 4: think the Paractice migrated as far as Bolivia. They ventured
Speaker 4: into the highlands of Peru as far as Cusco, but
Speaker 4: they never as far as I can tell mat To
Speaker 4: to late Tittikaka, So we may be looking at different
Speaker 4: branches of or subspeeches of Homo sapiens that existed probably
Speaker 4: around the same time. There's also a little mummy in
Speaker 4: a museum in the highlands of Peru called The mummy
Speaker 4: is called Waiki and it's a It's a strange specimen.
Speaker 4: It looks like a two year old, but I've taken
Speaker 4: many doctors and dentists to look at it and they
Speaker 4: say the dentisian is that of a seven or eight
Speaker 4: year old. So it's a very anomalous little being.
Speaker 2: M hm. I have seen pictures at the turn of
Speaker 2: the century of some of these mound builders in the
Speaker 2: United States, and there are not only are they tall,
Speaker 2: but a lot of them have elongated skulls. Have you
Speaker 2: done any kind of research with any of those reports.
Speaker 4: No, I haven't. I focus on the parts of the world,
Speaker 4: mainly Peru and Belivia, but also each of in some
Speaker 4: other places. But I don't like to study too many
Speaker 4: different facets of this because then I think the information
Speaker 4: starts to get diluted down.
Speaker 2: Tell us about the Sigma of cranial deformation with David Childress,
Speaker 2: how your Childress? What was the feeling on that one.
Speaker 2: I mean, David is writing about all kinds of unusual
Speaker 2: things constantly. That's just what his career has been. But
Speaker 2: what was the motivation to get together and write that book?
Speaker 2: Because that's a I mean, the cover is a paraka's head.
Speaker 4: True. Well, actually I approached David and told him this
Speaker 4: is more than ten years ago. I told him, but
Speaker 4: I was thinking of writing a book about elongated skulls,
Speaker 4: and he said immediately, why don't we write it together?
Speaker 4: And I thought, well, that's you know, that's right. He's
Speaker 4: a very famous auficer. So I was very honored to
Speaker 4: be able to co write that book with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what was the I mean I mentioned this before.
Speaker 2: It covers Egypt, South America, Mexico, and Malta. What is
Speaker 2: going on with Malta? I mean, I don't think I've
Speaker 2: seen the elongated skulls. There is there burials that are
Speaker 2: filled with these kinds of individuals or is it just
Speaker 2: a few?
Speaker 4: No, they supposedly found between three hundred and three thousand
Speaker 4: of them in a very large tomb on the island
Speaker 4: of Malta, and in the nineteen fifties, I believe they
Speaker 4: were all taken office The ones that were on display
Speaker 4: were taken office play and they haven't seen since. So again,
Speaker 4: it's another example of a governmental cover up of something
Speaker 4: anomalous that they don't want anyone to know about.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I always tell people, because I travel and do
Speaker 2: tours in Mexico a lot, that you'll never see many
Speaker 2: of the items in the Mexican museums in the United States.
Speaker 2: It just would be edited off because there's no explanation
Speaker 2: for which is kind of sad. I mean, you're saying
Speaker 2: that the powers it'd be don't want to come up
Speaker 2: with an explanation for why there's a branch of humans
Speaker 2: that have these heads. Are you speculating in your research
Speaker 2: that a lot of these advanced stonemasonry is attributed to parractice,
Speaker 2: which could be pre pre Inca.
Speaker 4: I guess, well, definitely pre Inca, but I don't think
Speaker 4: the practice. You know again, but the polygonal megalithic works
Speaker 4: are a complete mystery to everybody, and the idea that
Speaker 4: they were made by the Inca is completely imbecilic.
Speaker 2: But they don't listen to that. I guess it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, our belief is the Inca early Inca were
Speaker 2: advanced stonemasonry masons.
Speaker 4: I guess, well, they try to say that, but again
Speaker 4: in the archaeological record, all we find are bronze tools.
Speaker 4: Bronze is far too soft to be able to say,
Speaker 4: excuse me as something as hard as the salt or branite.
Speaker 4: So clearly advanced technology was involved in the construction of
Speaker 4: the magarthic works, both in Egypt and in Peru, and
Speaker 4: in Lebanon and Turkey in different countries.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Egypt for a bit. You have a
Speaker 2: number of books on advanced machinery or machining in Egypt,
Speaker 2: who do you suspect were the inventors of the tools
Speaker 2: that make those boreholes and cut stone and perhaps even
Speaker 2: built the Great Pyramids?
Speaker 4: Well again, another great mystery. But I'm not close to
Speaker 4: the idea there was aliens or extraterrestrials who came constructed,
Speaker 4: were damaged or destroyed, or had to flee due to
Speaker 4: the young of characterisms during the Younger Dryest. But I
Speaker 4: can't think of a human civilization that could achieve that
Speaker 4: kind of work. You know, people keep saying Atlantis, and
Speaker 4: they know what evidence of it really of Atlantis. So
Speaker 4: I'm open to the idea that other beings have come here,
Speaker 4: either to work with us or just independently doing what
Speaker 4: they wanted to do and then left.
Speaker 2: So are we hybreds?
Speaker 4: Some people think, so that's true. Yeah, there are some
Speaker 4: very anomalous things about about us that make us, you know,
Speaker 4: possibly not part of standard evolution.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Talk a bit about the technology that that
Speaker 2: you're writing about. When you when we see these uh uh,
Speaker 2: these megalithic stones, like you've been to the quarries as
Speaker 2: one quarreys and seeing these uh, the un excavated obelisk there,
Speaker 2: what's the tech that's doing that, Who's who's creating these
Speaker 2: scoop tools, and what's what's the technology you suspect behind that.
Speaker 4: I think it's kind of an energetic disruptor of some kind.
Speaker 4: I don't think there were tools that actually came in
Speaker 4: physical contact with the stone, such as what the unfinished oblist,
Speaker 4: but it's almost like a sand blasting technique, but on
Speaker 4: a much more advanced scale. I think whatever machine it
Speaker 4: is they had was capable of disrupting possibly the quartz
Speaker 4: inside of the stone, causing it to cause like micro explosions,
Speaker 4: and so the stone turns the sand and simply falls
Speaker 4: down into the into the trenches.
Speaker 2: And they they would use that in a way to
Speaker 2: extract the stone, and then I guess they use other
Speaker 2: technology to smooth it. I've seen I'm sure you have
Speaker 2: too evidence up close and personal of these obelisks, and
Speaker 2: they're cut with a high level of precision that copper
Speaker 2: stone tools could never cut.
Speaker 4: No, definitely, you're talking at least on the level of
Speaker 4: a diamond technology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to take a short commercial break to
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Speaker 2: shortly with my guest today author, research investigator Brian Forster
Speaker 2: coming to us from Peru. We'll be right back. I
Speaker 2: will got this morning.
Speaker 5: I looked outside my window with children lighting up the
Speaker 5: Christmas tree and the snow is falling. It reminds me
Speaker 5: of how the good times, those winters we would spend
Speaker 5: just you and me. It's spend such a long time.
Speaker 5: It's Christmas Day.
Speaker 2: My guest today is Brian Forrester. He is a research
Speaker 2: investigator and an author. He's written over twenty books and
Speaker 2: he's spoken on topics including advanced machinery and ancient Egypt
Speaker 2: and in Peru. He's also made a study of unusual
Speaker 2: humans around the world. What do you think the pyramids were?
Speaker 2: I mean, you've been to the Red Pyramid, the Bent Pyramid,
Speaker 2: the Cufu Pyramid. What do you think the pyramids were
Speaker 2: used for?
Speaker 4: I think they were energetic structures, just like what Christopher
Speaker 4: Dunn talks about. They were able to somehow collect energy,
Speaker 4: and then I think the function of the obelisk was
Speaker 4: that they were receptives of energy. So the energy would
Speaker 4: go from the pyramids out to the obelisk, caused them
Speaker 4: to vibrate and set up like a mini force field.
Speaker 4: In the vicinity of the obelisk. Because the obilists were
Speaker 4: always organized very specifically. They weren't in random locations like
Speaker 4: at Karnak. They were definitely lined up in rows going
Speaker 4: from the front to the back of the oldest part
Speaker 4: of Karna. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I've heard that from another number of people who lived there.
Speaker 2: So you think that there's probably an acoustic technology that
Speaker 2: we're not aware of, or it's kind of designed into
Speaker 2: the structure. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think it's a kind of vibratory technology.
Speaker 2: Mmm. I've always heard that Hathor at Dendera was a
Speaker 2: healing temple that it sits on some kind of a
Speaker 2: lay line and energetic lay line. What's your feeling on
Speaker 2: temples in Egypt being placed over tulluric fields.
Speaker 4: Oh, I think definitely, Especially again when we look at
Speaker 4: the megalithic stuff, which is pre dynastic, they are in
Speaker 4: very specific locations. They're not, you know, in like a
Speaker 4: random kind of organization, very specifically set up most likely
Speaker 4: on energetic lines. And the same thing in Peru. There's
Speaker 4: actually all of the megalithic structures in Peru are actually
Speaker 4: lined up on what's called the path of Viracocha that
Speaker 4: goes from the northwest to the southeast, so machic Picchu,
Speaker 4: only tatambosas of Woman are all lined up on this
Speaker 4: one specific energetic line that doesn't really function like a
Speaker 4: u to, but at one time it would have been
Speaker 4: definitely a line of focused energy.
Speaker 2: I've heard people who are at Sexy Woman that there
Speaker 2: are places you can stand and actually feel like some
Speaker 2: form of vibrating energy.
Speaker 4: Have you experienced that, not at Suksa Waman, but at
Speaker 4: other ancient locations in Peru? Definitely. There's one site called
Speaker 4: Chadvin de Wantar where there's a circular ceremonial space in
Speaker 4: front of the two ancient pyramids, and if you stand
Speaker 4: right in the middle of that and raise your hands
Speaker 4: up into the air, your fingers start to vibrate.
Speaker 2: So it's passing up through your body and exiting through
Speaker 2: the fingers, is what you're suggesting. Wow, is there any
Speaker 2: place and Peru or neighboring countries that have buildings that
Speaker 2: have subtle energy working through them and are used for
Speaker 2: either healing or cognition or whatever.
Speaker 4: I don't think anymore, because we do see a lot
Speaker 4: of catacismic damage at all of the sites. So I
Speaker 4: don't think they've I don't think they function like they did, say,
Speaker 4: thirteen thousand plus years ago.
Speaker 2: So I mean you've heard of Hesus Gamara's father's three
Speaker 2: world theories. He believes that the earliest period is, you know,
Speaker 2: a few hundred thousand years ago, which is where the
Speaker 2: big stones Sexy Woman were placed. What's you're feeling on
Speaker 2: that that theory of the three worlds.
Speaker 4: I used to believe in that, but I don't really
Speaker 4: any more. Over the course of time, I really think
Speaker 4: there are two building styles. There's the pre Inca megalithic,
Speaker 4: and then the Inca. So I'm not really a follower
Speaker 4: of that belief system anymore.
Speaker 2: Okay, So, what would you say is a time period
Speaker 2: of the first phase.
Speaker 4: Minimum thirteen thousand years maximum?
Speaker 2: I have no idea, So it could be one hundred
Speaker 2: thousand and then it kind of fell apart around thirteen thousand,
Speaker 2: which would align with the cataclysm that hit the Earth
Speaker 2: and pretty much wiped out humanity eighty percent plus. So
Speaker 2: what you're suggesting, right?
Speaker 4: Excuse me?
Speaker 2: Is there evidence of cataclysm cataclysms in Peru?
Speaker 4: Oh? Definitely?
Speaker 2: What areas?
Speaker 4: There's a site called Silustani which is near Lake Didi
Speaker 4: Kaka where we see definite evidence of heat vitrification of stone,
Speaker 4: like a melting of the surface, and also in and
Speaker 4: around Cusco Weld see that as well, always on the
Speaker 4: western surfaces facing west.
Speaker 2: It is, so that would be high heat from what's
Speaker 2: the suspicion asteroid all of the sudden the sun. Okay,
Speaker 2: that would kind of go to Robert Shock's theory of sunbursts.
Speaker 2: Then I guess exactly, Okay, is there any place elf
Speaker 2: like that in like Bolivia that has uh because I
Speaker 2: know you've been to Pooh Pooh Coo a few times.
Speaker 4: I've been there about seventy times Anile.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Really yeah, No, there's definite, definite evidence of heat vitrification
Speaker 4: at pump Pumku's leel.
Speaker 2: Talk a bit about Puma Puco. Ponanski, who was an
Speaker 2: early architect, suggested that that place is probably what was it,
Speaker 2: twenty five thousand years old or something, and he was
Speaker 2: immediately reprimanded by the author. This isn't like the early
Speaker 2: nineteen twenties, I think. But what do you say to that,
Speaker 2: because it's a very very sophisticated place, isn't it.
Speaker 4: Well, it used to be, it's a it's an absolute
Speaker 4: mess now. So the problem with Puma Cunker is that
Speaker 4: it has been attacked over the course of a long
Speaker 4: period of time. As soon as the Spanish arrived, they
Speaker 4: started to take Pumakunku apart to make the foundations for
Speaker 4: buildings in the nearby little town of Tiwarako, which you
Speaker 4: know isn't great. Also evidence that it was hit by
Speaker 4: a major tsunami from Lake tity Kaka. So and then
Speaker 4: in the nineteen I think nineteen twenties that built a
Speaker 4: railroad from late Titicaka to La Paz in Bolivia and
Speaker 4: they literally blew up Kumakunku to use as the as
Speaker 4: the bed for the gravel or beds for the railway system.
Speaker 4: So it's been badly abused over a long period of time.
Speaker 4: But I find it the most mysterious place on the planet.
Speaker 2: And I mean there's big sections of florine and walls
Speaker 2: and stuff that are still buried there, aren't there.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there's they're you know, their giant slabs of
Speaker 4: maybe forty or fifty tons that are tilting into the
Speaker 4: ground by about at about thirty degrees and recent reason scanning,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what technique there is. Probably ground penetrating
Speaker 4: radar shows that there's at least twice as much of
Speaker 4: Kumakunku underground as there is on the surface now. And
Speaker 4: it's been, as I was saying, it's been a rifled
Speaker 4: through over the course of how hundreds of years, So
Speaker 4: we have no idea how big it originally was or
Speaker 4: what it looked like. No matter how people try to
Speaker 4: build models of it, you can't because there's only probably
Speaker 4: ten percent of Puma Punku left compared to what there
Speaker 4: was originally.
Speaker 2: So this big tsunami may have buried a majority of
Speaker 2: it under soil, is what you're suggesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again that's study is only about two years old.
Speaker 4: So the government authorities don't believe. You do know that
Speaker 4: Puma punku's at least twice the size underground as it
Speaker 4: is above ground, but they don't want to do excavations.
Speaker 4: Why not because the local Imara people insists that their
Speaker 4: ancestors built Puma Punku between one thousand and two thousand
Speaker 4: years ago.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know they had found burials there. Why
Speaker 2: if the local indigenous people are unhappy about excavating that
Speaker 2: typically that's because there's a burial ground or something.
Speaker 4: No, they're just adamant that their ancestors built Pumakunku Intuanaku
Speaker 4: and so there have been no excavations there for but
Speaker 4: at least five years, and I don't foresee there being
Speaker 4: any nature excavations in the future. It's you know, it's
Speaker 4: just it's one of those again. It's one of those
Speaker 4: problems with you know, local people don't want something done,
Speaker 4: so the government says, okay, well, we have to respect
Speaker 4: what they think, and therefore we're not going to be
Speaker 4: scientific about this and just leave the place as it is.
Speaker 2: Oh God, talk a little bit about the stone work.
Speaker 2: I understand that the stones are anti site, which is
Speaker 2: very hard igneous rock. What is the suggested technique that
Speaker 2: was used to cut and form some of the flooring
Speaker 2: in other parts of buildings.
Speaker 4: Well, Prima book is made up of two types of stone.
Speaker 4: One is red said stone from a quarry eight miles
Speaker 4: to the west and then the gray and the site
Speaker 4: is from the top of a volcano forty five miles
Speaker 4: to the northeast. You know, we've had so many engineers
Speaker 4: to look at, you know, in person, at Pumaumku and
Speaker 4: Do and Akoland they're all just they're flabbergasc and you
Speaker 4: can't see any machine marks or sanding marks. As Georgio
Speaker 4: Zuppolis would say, as flat as a bathroom mirror. But
Speaker 4: that it really is the finish on some of the stone.
Speaker 4: I've taken a three foot level there, put it up
Speaker 4: against one of the h blocks, and there's no movement whatsoever.
Speaker 4: It is perfectly flat.
Speaker 2: So that suggests machining.
Speaker 4: Oh, they're machining beyond our capability, as far as I
Speaker 4: can tell, beyond twenty first century technology.
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny about that place, Brian, because some
Speaker 2: of the sculptures seem rudimentary, like maybe they came later,
Speaker 2: or other civilizations came after the demise of the original
Speaker 2: founders of Pumapuku.
Speaker 4: What do you say, Oh, definitely when the two Innaku
Speaker 4: people showed up, which was around one hundred a D.
Speaker 4: They existed there until about one thousand a D. And
Speaker 4: they definitely took some of the original stone and etched
Speaker 4: in the carving of Birdman and the God via Coacha
Speaker 4: and things like that. But you can tell them the
Speaker 4: difference between the crass and ship, between the flatness of
Speaker 4: the surface and the rather crude etching of the images
Speaker 4: into the stone.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're the first person that's ever said that.
Speaker 2: So these big archways that are made from megalithic blocks
Speaker 2: were there without all this calligraphy and hieroglyphics, and the
Speaker 2: follow up groups are the ones who carved that material.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Wow? Is there other other examples of that? I mean,
Speaker 2: is there are there other Apparently there was a pyramid
Speaker 2: there at some point, wasn't there?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's still is. It's called the Acapana. It's a
Speaker 4: seven layer pyramid mainly made out of mud brick, but
Speaker 4: there is evidence that it is again far older than
Speaker 4: the Tiwanaku culture because the giant slabs of massive, massive
Speaker 4: slabs of andesite stone that are still poking out of
Speaker 4: some of the walls. So it's you know, it's another
Speaker 4: example of a structure that was built originally and then
Speaker 4: recycled by later culture.
Speaker 2: And that seems that happened quite a bit on Earth.
Speaker 2: We see it all over the place in ancient cultures.
Speaker 2: Is the planet was wipe clean nine thy five hundred BC,
Speaker 2: and then they show up again. Other groups show up
Speaker 2: again and kind of repopulated those areas. Have you been
Speaker 2: to go Beckley Teppe brand. Yeah, one, what do you
Speaker 2: think of that place?
Speaker 4: It's impressive in a way that actual workmanship is very crude.
Speaker 4: It's nothing like what we see in Egypt or in Peru.
Speaker 4: The stone is local, so you don't have the mystery
Speaker 4: of the transportation of the stone, the fact that it
Speaker 4: was supposedly buried on purposes the theory, and also supposedly
Speaker 4: only one thirtieth or one fortieth of gobecy Tepe has
Speaker 4: been excavated with no plan a further investigation for the
Speaker 4: foreseeable future, which is kind of weird. But technically I
Speaker 4: would say gobeccy Teppe is not impressive, but it is
Speaker 4: something that is worth seeing at least once.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you. As we conclude, what are
Speaker 2: you working on now it comes to these ancient cultures?
Speaker 2: Have you found other civilizations that you're interested in, other
Speaker 2: almost sapient types of individuals.
Speaker 4: Not recently with not a real problem because of COVID's
Speaker 4: that shut down for more than two years being able
Speaker 4: to act as anything. So now that things are opening
Speaker 4: up again, I'm looking forward to hopefully seeing new you know,
Speaker 4: ancient things I've never seen before. Mildly doubtful, but I
Speaker 4: will because I've spent more than fifteen years living in
Speaker 4: Peru and exploring, and I have a number of friends
Speaker 4: who are local experts. If they were to find anything,
Speaker 4: that definitely tell me about it. But I'm just I'm
Speaker 4: quite content with how my life is at this point
Speaker 4: and still doing tours in Peru and Bolivia and Egypt,
Speaker 4: with maybe other ones coming up Easter Easter on the
Speaker 4: Chief Tiel like to go again. I'd like to go
Speaker 4: back to Bullbeck in Lebanon, but not right now because
Speaker 4: they're bombing right next to it. Uh. It's Kinda and
Speaker 4: Petra and Jordan I'd love to see again. Yeah, aside
Speaker 4: from that, I'm not not quite sure. India definitely at
Speaker 4: some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, India is a big one, but there the problems
Speaker 2: with getting reliable transportation is a huge problem there. I've
Speaker 2: I've thought about tours there. One last thing, a guy
Speaker 2: named John Burke was at Puma Pukuo and did some
Speaker 2: electromagnetic testing and found that the buildings seem to be
Speaker 2: charged and that there was noticeable and uh trackable energy
Speaker 2: coming up through a number of the of the buildings connecting.
Speaker 2: It seems like they're all kind of connected in a way.
Speaker 2: Do you do you know anything about that? And if
Speaker 2: you do, what did you what is your impression into that?
Speaker 4: Well, the end of andesite stone is very magnetic. So
Speaker 4: if you take a compass in front of one of
Speaker 4: the H blocks, for example, you'll notice that the natural
Speaker 4: magnetic field is running straight in front from right to left.
Speaker 4: But then if you take the compass and put it
Speaker 4: in the slot of the H block and move it
Speaker 4: slowly towards the back where there's a little fallsetore, the
Speaker 4: compass will move by two hundred and seventy degrees and
Speaker 4: then when you pull it back out, it corrects itself
Speaker 4: and goes back to normal against So the end site
Speaker 4: is very magnetic. The red sids stone is not magnetic
Speaker 4: at all. And I think that I think the end
Speaker 4: of site was chosen for its magnetic properties for the
Speaker 4: original function.
Speaker 2: But have you heard any studies of that area of
Speaker 2: it sitting on a lay line or a toluric anomaly
Speaker 2: at geomagnetic anomaly.
Speaker 4: Not that I know of, but I wouldn't doubt that
Speaker 4: it's the case.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems like a lot of these ancient people
Speaker 2: were familiar with anomalies, and they built their temples over
Speaker 2: their anomalies. And there's a growing and I've had them
Speaker 2: on the program, a growing body of scientists that are
Speaker 2: beginning to study this.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is important. Hey, it's been great speaking with you.
Speaker 2: Give people your website, let them know how they can
Speaker 2: get hold of you.
Speaker 4: Okay. My website is www dot hidden into tours dot com.
Speaker 2: Okay, and you have I looked at your site. You
Speaker 2: have a number of tours coming up. Where are you
Speaker 2: going to be going in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 4: In April is well, as we were discussing earlier February,
Speaker 4: I'm going to the Conscious Life Excelo in Los.
Speaker 2: Angeles, Okay, Conscious Life.
Speaker 4: Then in April we're going to having a conference in Egypt,
Speaker 4: and after that a tour. Then in June we have
Speaker 4: a major tour of Peru and Bolivia, and then in
Speaker 4: November another major tour of Peru and Bolivia.
Speaker 2: So you're a itinerary for these foreign journeys is typically
Speaker 2: looking at ancient buildings and getting a sense of perhaps
Speaker 2: the anomalies of Them's your what's your goal when you're
Speaker 2: doing a itinerary at these places?
Speaker 4: Well, mainly to show the clear difference between the megalithic
Speaker 4: and the inco work, or between the pre dynastic and
Speaker 4: the dynastic work in Egypt, which everyone sees quite obviously
Speaker 4: after about the second day, it's like night, you know,
Speaker 4: it is like night and day in terms of construction technique.
Speaker 4: Also we delve into spirituality on some level anomalous skulls
Speaker 4: where it's possible to observe them. Would like to do
Speaker 4: like quite a well rounded tour mixing spirituality and inan
Speaker 4: Incan culture, Egyptian mysteries, et cetera. So it's not one
Speaker 4: hundred percent about lost ancient technology, but more and more
Speaker 4: we're trying to do a much more well rounded exploration
Speaker 4: of every aspect of any of these areas.
Speaker 2: Sounds good, Hey, you have any new books coming up?
Speaker 2: Are you working on something new?
Speaker 5: Not?
Speaker 4: As far as I can tell, I've written thirty seven books.
Speaker 4: I might do one about ancient Israel if I can
Speaker 4: ever get there, which is my plan, And then I
Speaker 4: would also do a book obviously about ancient India, because
Speaker 4: there's so much megalothic stuff in India it's insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's a b now, fantastic, Brian Forrester, fantastic.
Speaker 2: Appreciate your time and look forward to talking to you again.
Speaker 4: Okay, thank you. Clip always a pleasure.
Speaker 2: We have been talking about these longhead to practice people,
Speaker 2: the people that are in China and in Europe and
Speaker 2: in South America. I have a gallery. I put together
Speaker 2: a gallery some photos from Brian and then some others
Speaker 2: that I have found, and you can see those, as
Speaker 2: I mentioned in the interview, on Facebook, and you need
Speaker 2: to go to Facebook and just type in Earth Ancients
Speaker 2: and you'll see them. It's probably going to be fifteen
Speaker 2: plus because there's a lot of discovery. I have some
Speaker 2: photos from Mexico that are very very unusual and that
Speaker 2: are not head bound. It's obviously they're not Headbob because
Speaker 2: the craniums are so big and they haven't really been
Speaker 2: studied with any with any detail, which is very strange.
Speaker 2: And you know, is this conspiracy or what I mean?
Speaker 2: Brian's like, you know, they don't want to open a
Speaker 2: can of worms. And I say this a lot. You know,
Speaker 2: you only could go as far as your education if
Speaker 2: you're not willing to go beyond. If you're a PhD
Speaker 2: in archaeology, and you're not willing to go beyond. That's
Speaker 2: kind of a problem. I also believe that it has
Speaker 2: to do with funding. If there's no money to do research,
Speaker 2: you're not you can't. You don't have the time to
Speaker 2: go out and you know, dig up graves and get
Speaker 2: the pay the money, get the permission to dig up
Speaker 2: sites and start looking at skeletal remains. And then you
Speaker 2: have to bring on a whole area of science that's
Speaker 2: not typical, like forensic science in the study of human bodies,
Speaker 2: that's not something that is typically done. And so we're
Speaker 2: kind of left to perhaps a new generation of interested
Speaker 2: people on studying these hominins, these humans, and you know
Speaker 2: where they come from. Are they, you know, a branch
Speaker 2: that we should be looking at, a branch of Homo
Speaker 2: sapien sapien. I'm not going to go as far and
Speaker 2: say that they're alien, but you know, perhaps if DNA
Speaker 2: is studied and there's a strain and there's unusual or
Speaker 2: unknown DNA in the study, well then maybe that's something
Speaker 2: to consider, you know. I mean, Brian brought it up.
Speaker 2: He's been on Ancient Aliens about twenty thirty times talking
Speaker 2: about this, and it's easy for people to flip off
Speaker 2: the planet and consider the paractice heads the parracice skulls
Speaker 2: alien because they are so unusual and so unlike anything
Speaker 2: you see normally in museums. Interesting subject. Hey, we are
Speaker 2: going to Rapanui March fifteenth to the twenty third, and
Speaker 2: we got a space left. And I've been talking about
Speaker 2: this now for a couple of weeks. We were taking
Speaker 2: twenty people. But if you or your wife, you our
Speaker 2: friend want to come along, send it to Earth Ancients
Speaker 2: for you at gmail dot com and say hey, I'd
Speaker 2: like to join you. You can see the entire itinerary
Speaker 2: at earth Ancients dot com forward slash tours and you
Speaker 2: can see from the first date of the last day
Speaker 2: it is going to be a wonderful tour. It's being
Speaker 2: led by doctor Edward Barnhardt ed Stune some masterful surve there,
Speaker 2: and with that survey in hand, we will see a
Speaker 2: number of areas that are not typically available to the
Speaker 2: general public, so that makes it even more special. One
Speaker 2: week March fifteenth to the twenty third, twenty twenty five,
Speaker 2: and like I said, we're all pretty much done. We
Speaker 2: can't take more than one or two people. And if
Speaker 2: you're interested to me an email again. For the full itinerary,
Speaker 2: go to Earth Ancients dot com Forward slash tours. Okay,
Speaker 2: listen for this program or I think my guest today
Speaker 2: Brian Forster, coming to us from Peru. As always, the
Speaker 2: team of Gail Tour, Mark Foster and everyone who makes
Speaker 2: this thing happen.
Speaker 4: You guys are rock all right.
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