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<v Speaker 1>This episode MA contained content of a graphic nature, including

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<v Speaker 1>descriptions of physical and sexual violence against adults, children, and animals.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion is advised.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi. I'm Shannon. Hi I'm Tanya, and we are Crimes

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<v Speaker 2>and Consequences, a hardcore true crime podcast. Hey Shannon, Hey Tanya.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing pretty good.

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<v Speaker 2>How are you? I'm doing good, doing the grandma things

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<v Speaker 2>a mimi. And that's been fabulous. And let's see what

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<v Speaker 2>were we talking about just before? Oh, that's right, lavender marriages. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just before we started recording. How I would not pooh

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<v Speaker 2>pooh a lavender marriage. He has to be able to.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how to style my clothes. I need

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<v Speaker 2>a stylist. And I do love that one guy on

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok and he's all like, girl, we'll take our mental

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<v Speaker 2>health meds together and we'll just oh, I love him,

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<v Speaker 2>oh putting the eyegel stuff. And I'm like, yes, oh

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<v Speaker 2>my gosh, my bow.

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<v Speaker 3>A lavender marriage.

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<v Speaker 1>You remember when I was in law school, I had

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<v Speaker 1>a friend and he was gay, and he was cute

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<v Speaker 1>as a button, adorable, and I always used to tell him,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, we should get married. He's like I go,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll put you on my health insurance. Yes, exactly, exactly,

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be able to date whoever we want.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, our weekends are Yes, are our own? I need

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<v Speaker 2>yes that see and with the male perspective, I need

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<v Speaker 2>that whole whole scene for me. I would love it.

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<v Speaker 2>The decorating. Are you kidding me? I know? Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>I have the best success stories.

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<v Speaker 3>Ever Brittany and Kylie together.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it would have been great fun. But he goes

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<v Speaker 3>like this one problem, and I.

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<v Speaker 1>Thought he was gonna say I'm gay, but he's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're married, and I you know, I have been married,

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<v Speaker 1>so's I was married at the time. And I'm like, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that is a problem. I guess we can't get married.

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<v Speaker 2>But you're right there in first position. Should I ever

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<v Speaker 2>need another? Should I ever have the opportunity to be

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<v Speaker 2>wet again?

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<v Speaker 3>Yes?

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<v Speaker 2>So well, let's get to this story I want to

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<v Speaker 2>tell you about. It's going to be about a wonderful

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<v Speaker 2>young man whose life was taken very tragically and suddenly

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<v Speaker 2>and too young. Tell you about him. His name is

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<v Speaker 2>Blaize Nathan Burns Stein. And before I go any further,

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<v Speaker 2>miss any of our episodes, so let me continue. Laiz

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<v Speaker 2>Nathan Bernstein was born in South Orange County, California, on

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<v Speaker 2>April twenty seventh, nineteen ninety eight. What is that time you?

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you it's a Taurus? H too. Torres just

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<v Speaker 2>coupled a week in. He was born to his parents,

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<v Speaker 2>Gideon Bernstein and Jeanie Pepper. And His parents were both

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<v Speaker 2>from Santa Barbara, California, and they met one another in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eighty seven while they were both attending college at

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<v Speaker 2>the University of California. Five years later, in nineteen ninety two,

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<v Speaker 2>Gideon and Jeanie were married in Los Angeles, California. Gideon

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<v Speaker 2>worked as a chartered financial analyst and he went on

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<v Speaker 2>to make quite the name for himself in leisure capital

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<v Speaker 2>management in Costa Mesa, California. Jeannie got her law degree

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety five from the Pepperdine School of Law.

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<v Speaker 2>She left her job as a litigator in two thousand

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<v Speaker 2>to be a stay at home mother to her son,

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<v Speaker 2>Blaze and his siblings. He has two younger brothers, Bo

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<v Speaker 2>and Jay, and believe it or not, Gideon's mother, Leah Bernstein,

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<v Speaker 2>who was born in nineteen thirty six Romania, was a

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<v Speaker 2>retired teacher in the art of language, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>also one of the last known survivors of the Holocaust.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh this case is about the life that was taken

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<v Speaker 2>from a creative young man who was known as a

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<v Speaker 2>brilliant teenage boy who had the greatest sense of humor

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<v Speaker 2>along with the most gentle soul and to his family,

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<v Speaker 2>he was often known as the renaissance man. Those aren't quotes,

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<v Speaker 2>and he lived for the culinary arts and music. He

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<v Speaker 2>also enjoyed writing art performing to entertain others around him.

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<v Speaker 2>He was charismatic, a great communicator, and he had such

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<v Speaker 2>a quick wit about him. And as soon as Blaze

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<v Speaker 2>was born, his parents knew that their son was going

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<v Speaker 2>to change the world at some point in his life.

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<v Speaker 2>His mother always called him a unicorn because he was

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<v Speaker 2>so rare. Blaze was named after one of his grandfathers, Nathan,

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<v Speaker 2>as his middle name. He was also given his first

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<v Speaker 2>name after the French mathematician named Blaze Pascal Pascal. While

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<v Speaker 2>he was an inventor, mathematician, and physicist, he was the

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<v Speaker 2>first creator of the calculator in the seventeenth century. I

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<v Speaker 2>love when a name has a background like I was

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<v Speaker 2>named after Blaize Pascal. Since he was named after such

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<v Speaker 2>an astonishing man, his family always expected the best to

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<v Speaker 2>come from Blaze's life. Blaize went on to go through

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<v Speaker 2>his early childhood academic career with flying colors, and he

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<v Speaker 2>even went on to attend one of the best high

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<v Speaker 2>schools in the United States, the Orange County School of

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<v Speaker 2>Art also known as oh CSA. And while he was

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<v Speaker 2>in high school, he participated in a lot of extra

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<v Speaker 2>curricular activities, and this included working at the synagogue on

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<v Speaker 2>Saturdays as the classroom aid. And while he was in

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<v Speaker 2>his junior year and senior year of high school, he

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<v Speaker 2>thrived and participated in the school's Science Olympiad. He even

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<v Speaker 2>brought home the first place medal in the state for

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<v Speaker 2>his high school in chemistry. During his senior year, he

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<v Speaker 2>was in his school's advanced chemistry class, and his teacher said, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>Blaze seemed to always be looking for a place to

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<v Speaker 2>make his mark and be a leader and to contribute

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<v Speaker 2>end quote. According to everyone around him throughout high school,

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<v Speaker 2>he was known as a humble genius. All of his

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<v Speaker 2>younger classmates looked up to him because Blaze never worked

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<v Speaker 2>to impress a single person. His intelligence and personality were

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<v Speaker 2>what characterized him throughout his entire high school career, and

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<v Speaker 2>after graduating high school, he went to study at the

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<v Speaker 2>University of Pennsylvania where he studied poetry, biochemistry, food writing, psychology,

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<v Speaker 2>and community activism. Now, needless to say, Blaize had a

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<v Speaker 2>lot on his plate. He was striving to make his

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<v Speaker 2>entire family proud of him, and he was going to

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<v Speaker 2>attempt success at all costs. Everyone who knew him loved

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that he was always up for any adventure

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<v Speaker 2>that came across his path. He loved adventures, whether it

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<v Speaker 2>was a late night drive with family or friends, or

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<v Speaker 2>whether it was working quietly in a room on a

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<v Speaker 2>project that he was passionate about. Whatever life threw at him,

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<v Speaker 2>Blaze put his entire heart and soul into it, and

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<v Speaker 2>this was a trade that everyone cherished. At the age

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<v Speaker 2>of seventeen, Blaze went hiking and decided to climb the

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<v Speaker 2>entirety of Angels Landing all by himself. This trail is

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<v Speaker 2>located in Zion National Park in Washington County, Utah, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is not something that someone would normally do alone.

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<v Speaker 2>The altitude alone is pretty strenuous at five thousand, seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and ninety feet regardless of the terrain. Blaze accomplished

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<v Speaker 2>this in twenty sixteen, and this trail is known to

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<v Speaker 2>be pretty dangerous with steep cliffs and treacherous hiking paths,

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<v Speaker 2>So the kids got some good discipline.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, just sitting.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, the jois de vive for real. Now to many

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<v Speaker 2>of this would be pretty daunting, but not to him.

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<v Speaker 2>He originally went with a group of friends, but as

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<v Speaker 2>the height got more and more dangerous, the more people

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<v Speaker 2>were bowing out of the hike altogether. Out of the

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<v Speaker 2>entire group that he was with, Blaize was the only

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<v Speaker 2>one to make it to the very top and he

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<v Speaker 2>was so proud of his feet and this is documented

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<v Speaker 2>in his obituary along with some photos. If any of

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<v Speaker 2>our listeners would like to see them, they'll be in

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<v Speaker 2>the show notes. He was always one who would do anything,

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<v Speaker 2>in everything to experience the beauty of the nature that

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<v Speaker 2>surrounded him on his outdoor adventures, no matter how difficult

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<v Speaker 2>it was to achieve. He even went to Iceland on

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<v Speaker 2>a family trip and he was able to discover a

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<v Speaker 2>bird lookout within the Western Islands. Even with the freezing temperatures,

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<v Speaker 2>he sat patiently to watch for the Atlantic puffins as

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<v Speaker 2>the rest of his family waited in the van with

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<v Speaker 2>the heat on. Oh my god, so tenacious. I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know they're adorable. When Blaze got to the University

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<v Speaker 2>of Pennsylvania, he was entering his college career as a

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<v Speaker 2>creative writer who was hopeful to get into the world

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<v Speaker 2>of medicine. When he got to the university, he was

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<v Speaker 2>known around campus as a pretty shy guy, but once

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<v Speaker 2>people got to know him, he would never shy away

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<v Speaker 2>from his opinions on matters that were important to him.

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<v Speaker 2>He began his college career with his fantastic communication skills

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<v Speaker 2>to become the editor of the Penn Review, the campus's

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<v Speaker 2>superior literary magazine, as well as the university's foodie magazine

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<v Speaker 2>known as Penn At Petite I Love. He was voted

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<v Speaker 2>to be the head of editor for the magazine, and

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<v Speaker 2>he was eventually given the job as copy editor for

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<v Speaker 2>a University of penn cookbook titled whisk And This was

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<v Speaker 2>still in the developmental stages at the time of his murder.

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<v Speaker 2>By October of twenty seventeen, Blaze had become quite a

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<v Speaker 2>community activist around campus, and he even wrote a letter

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<v Speaker 2>to help better the University of Penn's safety and hopes

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<v Speaker 2>to also reform the campus's policies. The letter was written

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<v Speaker 2>to the university's student run nonprofit organization called The Daily Pennsylvanian.

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<v Speaker 2>This letter led to the meeting with the university's head

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<v Speaker 2>of University Life, and the meeting consisted of how the

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<v Speaker 2>campus could be made safer for all of the students.

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<v Speaker 2>Blaize was looking forward to helping with any improvement ideas

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<v Speaker 2>that he could provide, but his life was taken from

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<v Speaker 2>him before he was able to make any real progress

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<v Speaker 2>within the organization. His family knew that he was going

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<v Speaker 2>to take his time to find himself since he was

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<v Speaker 2>a young Jewish man who was also a member of

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<v Speaker 2>the gay community. When winter break in his sophomore year

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<v Speaker 2>came around, Blaze was looking forward to being at home

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<v Speaker 2>with his supportive family. They were going to spend Hanikah's family,

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<v Speaker 2>and as Blaze was practicing his culinary talent, he cooked

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<v Speaker 2>his family one of the best meals they ever had

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<v Speaker 2>in their lives. Blaize would eventually sneak out of his

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<v Speaker 2>parents' home on the night of January second, twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and this would be the last day that anyone in

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<v Speaker 2>his family ever saw him alive. That night, nobody in

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<v Speaker 2>his family had known that he had snuck out of

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<v Speaker 2>the home, and that the following day his parents had

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<v Speaker 2>just assumed that he was sleeping in since they hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>seen him. The following morning, on January third, Blaze had

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<v Speaker 2>a dentist's appointment and he was supposed to meet up

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<v Speaker 2>with his mother, Jeanie, But when he never showed up,

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<v Speaker 2>his mother knew something was seriously wrong when he did

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<v Speaker 2>answer any of her phone calls. She called Gideon and

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<v Speaker 2>he asked if Blaze ever came home. She immediately began

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<v Speaker 2>to yell she had no idea. You know. Panic is

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<v Speaker 2>beginning to set in. Something was wrong and their responsible

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<v Speaker 2>son was missing. Gideon was at work at the time

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<v Speaker 2>Jeanie had called, and when they both came to realize

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<v Speaker 2>that their son was in trouble, they both sped home

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<v Speaker 2>to come up with a game plan to find him

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<v Speaker 2>as soon as possible. When both Gideon and Jeanie got

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<v Speaker 2>back to the house, they went into Blaze's room and

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<v Speaker 2>they were shocked to discover that all of his essentials

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<v Speaker 2>were still in the home, and yet he was nowhere

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<v Speaker 2>to be found. These essentials were his retainer, his wallet,

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<v Speaker 2>Their son was home for a winter break and wanted

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<v Speaker 2>His mother had called and left voicemails on his phone

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<v Speaker 2>throughout the entire day, but nobody ever heard back from him.

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<v Speaker 2>This was so highly unusual. The only thing Gideon and

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<v Speaker 2>Janie knew to do next was to get law enforcement

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<v Speaker 2>involved and to try to get into Blaze's Facebook account.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe his profile or Facebook messages could tell them who

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<v Speaker 2>their son was in contact with leading up to his disappearance.

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<v Speaker 2>His parents were able to get onto their son's computer,

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<v Speaker 2>and with some help, they were able to log into

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<v Speaker 2>Blaze's Snapchat account. Now, Snapchat nowadays seems to be the

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<v Speaker 2>up by each user, and for most teenagers, this seems

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<v Speaker 2>The communications between friends are almost too private, although settings

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<v Speaker 2>by the recipient, Chats can be saved when typing to

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<v Speaker 2>a friend, and that was how Blaize's parents were able

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<v Speaker 2>The person he had sent his address to was a

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<v Speaker 2>kid named Sam Woodward. Neither Genie nor Gideon had ever

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<v Speaker 2>heard of the name Sam Woodward before, since Blaze had

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<v Speaker 2>never once told them about any kind of conversation he

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<v Speaker 2>had with them with him, so they were immediately worried

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<v Speaker 2>about this random stranger found on his son's Snapchat account,

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<v Speaker 2>like who was this kid? Gideon sent Sam a message

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<v Speaker 2>to try to get a hold of Sam, and the

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<v Speaker 2>message said please pick up. Snapchat allows friends to make

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<v Speaker 2>calls through the app, and that was how Gideon was

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<v Speaker 2>able to finally get a hold of Sam when he

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<v Speaker 2>answered the call. Once the call connected, the Bernstein family

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<v Speaker 2>decided to record the phone call. While on the phone

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<v Speaker 2>with Sam, Gideon said that he knew that he had

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<v Speaker 2>been trying to locate Blaze through Snapchat and that Sam

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<v Speaker 2>was the first clue to the puzzle regarding their son's disappearance.

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<v Speaker 2>Sam was the person who had met Blaze around the

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<v Speaker 2>Bernstein's family house. When the Bernstein family demanded to know

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<v Speaker 2>how Sam Woodward knew their son, Sam said that their

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<v Speaker 2>type of deal, and Blaize was the one who had

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<v Speaker 2>asked to hang out, to which Sam agreed. Now, Sam

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<v Speaker 2>confessed to Gideon that he had picked him up around

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<v Speaker 2>eleven that night. He then said that he had driven

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<v Speaker 2>him near Barrago Park. Once they got to the park,

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<v Speaker 2>both he and Blaize got out of the car. According

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<v Speaker 2>to Sam, nineteen year old Blaze walked down a path

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<v Speaker 2>to quote unquote meete a friend, and from the path

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<v Speaker 2>he vanished into thin air. Sam, while on the Snapchat

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<v Speaker 2>call with Gideon, said that he shouted Blaze's name multiple times,

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<v Speaker 2>but he was no longer able to see him, nor

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<v Speaker 2>did he hear anything back. Gideon had Sam's phone number

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<v Speaker 2>and asked if that was the best way to contact

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<v Speaker 2>him if he ever heard anything from Blaze, and Sam

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<v Speaker 2>gave Jeanie and Gideon a sense of hope that he

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<v Speaker 2>was also looking forward to eventually hearing from Blaze. While

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<v Speaker 2>on the phone with Gideon, Sam said, quote, I want

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<v Speaker 2>to find him as much as you do unquote. But

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<v Speaker 2>neither Gideon nor Ginie ever heard about Sam, so they

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<v Speaker 2>had no clue what to believe. They were just trying

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<v Speaker 2>everything they could to be the most optimistic about the

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<v Speaker 2>entire situation. So Sam and Blaize were friends in high school,

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<v Speaker 2>so they had known each other for a few years.

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<v Speaker 2>Leading up to Blaze sending Sam his address, other friends

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<v Speaker 2>of Blaze's from high school found out that Blaze was missing.

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<v Speaker 2>The last that Blaze's high school friends had heard was

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<v Speaker 2>that he had been last seen with a kid named

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<v Speaker 2>Sam Woodward and his friends all appeared to be shocked

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<v Speaker 2>that Blaze would ever hang out with Sam. Sam had

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<v Speaker 2>a reputation of being crazy. They were polar opposites. According

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<v Speaker 2>to one of Blaze's oldest friends from high school, Sam

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<v Speaker 2>was known to doodle while he was in classes at

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<v Speaker 2>the Orange County School of Art, and they weren't just

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<v Speaker 2>innocent doodles. Sam was known to draw guns on his

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<v Speaker 2>notebooks while in class, and this was to the point

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<v Speaker 2>that his classmates noticed that something just wasn't right with Sam.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of his classmates were terrified.

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<v Speaker 1>Out of them.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, so I don't know how you get into

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<v Speaker 2>the Orange County School of Art.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, on a terror, I know, right, what's up with that?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. But even though a lot of kids

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<v Speaker 2>were scared of him, Sam was super quiet and never

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<v Speaker 2>really conversed with his classmates. Wait till you see the pictures. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they are polar opposites, and Sam does come across as

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<v Speaker 2>ghastly and would not see him with someone like Blaze.

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<v Speaker 2>But as all high schools have their various types of groups,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it be the emo kids, the nerds, the jacks,

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<v Speaker 2>or the popular kids, Sam kept to himself and out

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<v Speaker 2>of any sort of friend group altogether. When Blaze's friends

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<v Speaker 2>were told about Sam being the last person to see

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<v Speaker 2>him alive, they could only think of a few reasons

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<v Speaker 2>on why that would happen. Blaze being a gay man,

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<v Speaker 2>just wanted to hook up with Sam, or he just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted Blaze dead. Huh, those are the two. So if

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<v Speaker 2>Blaze picked Sam, it was to either hook up with

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<v Speaker 2>him or Sam was gonna kill him. Wow, wow, Well

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<v Speaker 2>we're gonna find out. Those were the only two reasons

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<v Speaker 2>that anyone could think of. According to the people who

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<v Speaker 2>knew Sam from high school, Sam Woodward was known to

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<v Speaker 2>be anti gay, a homophobe, and he was also known

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<v Speaker 2>to be extremely racist. Blaze was so, I'm telling you, polar,

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<v Speaker 2>polar opposite.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Blaize was.

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<v Speaker 2>Pretty much still in the closet when he was still

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<v Speaker 2>in high school, and he only told his oldest and

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<v Speaker 2>closest friends about his sexual orientation, people he trusted. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>even before he had come out to his parents. Jeanie

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<v Speaker 2>and Gideon, you know, just had a feeling that Blaze

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<v Speaker 2>was gay. Our parents aren't dumb, right, right, And they

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<v Speaker 2>were actually the ones who addressed this to him by

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<v Speaker 2>telling him that whatever your sexuality is, will always love you,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So they were like they approached him before

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<v Speaker 2>he had approached them. Gideon and Jeanie went to the

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<v Speaker 2>Orange County Police and they told them everything that they

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<v Speaker 2>knew about their son's last meetup with a kid named Sam.

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<v Speaker 2>Law enforcement had no other choice than to speak to

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<v Speaker 2>Sam about the whole ordeal. Sam then told the police

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<v Speaker 2>that he had picked up Blaze from his home, that

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<v Speaker 2>Blaze wandered off by himself and then disappeared all on

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<v Speaker 2>his own. The police then sent out a certa party

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<v Speaker 2>for the missing nineteen year old, and that search party

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<v Speaker 2>was massive. Both of his parents got onto the local

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<v Speaker 2>news to ask for help from the public so that

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<v Speaker 2>they could locate their sun as soon as possible. Jeanie said, quote,

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<v Speaker 2>please keep your eyes open for my baby. I want

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<v Speaker 2>him home with me now end quote. The search and

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<v Speaker 2>rescue teams consisted of helicopters as well as an entire

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<v Speaker 2>team searching the woods that were nearby Barroigo Park, which

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<v Speaker 2>was where he was last seen by a kid. Everyone

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<v Speaker 2>in his high school feared. Thousands of flyers were put

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<v Speaker 2>up around the surrounding areas and at the synagogues that

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<v Speaker 2>the Bernstein family attended. Blaize's face was everywhere the flyers

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<v Speaker 2>read his name that he was nineteen years old. He

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<v Speaker 2>was around one hundred and thirty pounds at around five

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<v Speaker 2>foot nine inches in height, and he had brown hair

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<v Speaker 2>with blue eyes. He was last seen wearing long dark pants,

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<v Speaker 2>white tennis shoes, slash sneakers, and possibly a gray colored hoodie,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was last seen on January two, twenty eighteen,

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<v Speaker 2>at around ten thirty at night. Blaze was an active

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<v Speaker 2>member at university Synagogue located in Irvine, California. The synagogue

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<v Speaker 2>also viewed him as a role model, so they had

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<v Speaker 2>no problem helping with the search. Blaze always was one

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<v Speaker 2>to embrace his heritage as a member of the Jewish community.

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<v Speaker 2>Blaze was also one to embrace his heritage as a

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<v Speaker 2>member of the Jewish community, and he was also one

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<v Speaker 2>to not shy away from confrontation from hatred of the

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<v Speaker 2>Jewish faith and heritage. Blaze was related to a Holocaust survivor,

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<v Speaker 2>and that in and of itself is astonishing, so he

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<v Speaker 2>had no problem talking about the concentration camps along with

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<v Speaker 2>what his ancestors dealt with throughout the duration of World

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<v Speaker 2>War II. Those who were known to be outwardly and

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<v Speaker 2>proudly racist would hate someone like Blaze, you know, someone

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<v Speaker 2>with a beautiful heart and a genuine soul even within

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<v Speaker 2>the Jewish community. Along with all of his friends and family,

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<v Speaker 2>were hoping for a light at the end of the

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<v Speaker 2>very dark tunnel, and sadly it would never come. Those

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<v Speaker 2>who were hoping for good news was the last person

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<v Speaker 2>known to be with Blaze, Sam Woodward. He was hopeful

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<v Speaker 2>for good news. For those who had known Blaze personally,

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<v Speaker 2>and closely. They did not have high hopes for Blaze's

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<v Speaker 2>well being after hearing that his last known whereabouts were

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<v Speaker 2>with Sam, because you know Sam's extreme racism, homophobia and supremacy. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's who this sweet guy was last with. Right. Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>For an entire week after Blaze had disappeared, the police,

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<v Speaker 2>along with a huge search party, went on and searched

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<v Speaker 2>high and low inside and outside of Barrego Park. Blaze's

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<v Speaker 2>missing person's case was so well known that even Kobe

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<v Speaker 2>Bryant and Green Abdul Jabbar shared the story on their

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<v Speaker 2>Twitter pages in hopes that the Bernstein family could get

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<v Speaker 2>even more help. Wow Wow. More people to spread awareness

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<v Speaker 2>of Blaze's story were two stars from the Real Housewives

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<v Speaker 2>of Orange County, Vicki Gunvelsen and Tamrad Judge. All of

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<v Speaker 2>these people before they decided to call off the search,

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<v Speaker 2>everyone was up for one last look, just to make

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<v Speaker 2>sure that no stone was left unturned. Mother Nature did

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<v Speaker 2>not let up with heavy rains as the search crew

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<v Speaker 2>went out for one final time, and it wasn't until

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<v Speaker 2>an officer turned to look at a spot in the

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<v Speaker 2>brush and noticed that there was a mound of the

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<v Speaker 2>dirt that was located under a massive tree branch, and

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<v Speaker 2>underneath the wet brush and mud was Blaze's dead body.

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<v Speaker 2>Two days after Blaze was reported missing, Sam was taken

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<v Speaker 2>by the detectives out to where he had last seen Blaze,

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<v Speaker 2>and while they were out, the detectives noticed that Sam's

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<v Speaker 2>hands and knuckles had bruises and scrapes on them. Gideon

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<v Speaker 2>had told the detectives that Sam had been the very

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<v Speaker 2>last person to ever see Blaze alive, and Sam was

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<v Speaker 2>the missing piece to the puzzle of what had happened

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<v Speaker 2>to him. So when he was asked about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>those marks on his hands where they had came from.

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<v Speaker 2>Sam said that he was in quote, a fight club,

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<v Speaker 2>and as we all know, whatever happens in fight club

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<v Speaker 2>stays in fight club. Yeah, so Sam's Sam's working on

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<v Speaker 2>a story.

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<v Speaker 3>That's his story, and he's sticking to it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. You've heard about it, you know, Brad pitt

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<v Speaker 2>ed Norton.

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<v Speaker 3>You don't talk about fight club, thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>So next question. Yeah, not only did Sam have scrapes

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<v Speaker 2>on his hands, but he also had actual dirt under

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<v Speaker 2>his fingernails, almost like he was either playing in the

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<v Speaker 2>dirt without a shower, or he had buried the body

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<v Speaker 2>of a victim. You know, you're just so gross. Dirt,

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<v Speaker 2>that's what they were describing. So the search Weren't for

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00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:14.359
<v Speaker 2>Sam consisted of sixteen pages, and according to the affid David,

420
00:25:14.839 --> 00:25:17.759
<v Speaker 2>Sam had spoken with Blaze on the night that he disappeared.

421
00:25:18.160 --> 00:25:21.960
<v Speaker 2>The two communicated through Snapchat. Sam had agreed to meet

422
00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:24.880
<v Speaker 2>Blaze at the family home, where he drove him to

423
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:28.960
<v Speaker 2>a parking lot off of Lake Forest Hobby Lobby where

424
00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:31.400
<v Speaker 2>the two men were supposed to just hang out and

425
00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:35.079
<v Speaker 2>catch up. Sam told the detectives that Blaze said that

426
00:25:35.200 --> 00:25:37.960
<v Speaker 2>they were going to meet up with another friend that

427
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:40.279
<v Speaker 2>they had known from high school, and the two of

428
00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:44.359
<v Speaker 2>them arrived at Barago Park a little before midnight on

429
00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:48.440
<v Speaker 2>January second. Sam said that Blaze was the only one

430
00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:50.799
<v Speaker 2>to get out of the car and he went alone

431
00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:54.119
<v Speaker 2>into the park to meet up with that friend. While

432
00:25:54.279 --> 00:25:58.960
<v Speaker 2>Sam was telling this information to the investigators, he was

433
00:25:59.000 --> 00:26:04.640
<v Speaker 2>talking very quick, noticeably shaking and out of breath. Well,

434
00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:08.039
<v Speaker 2>those are the three telltale signs that someone's lying, right.

435
00:26:08.440 --> 00:26:08.519
<v Speaker 1>The.

436
00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:12.960
<v Speaker 3>Shaking, car is founding, It's.

437
00:26:12.759 --> 00:26:16.680
<v Speaker 2>Like everyone's sitting here, why is this happening. At one

438
00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:20.240
<v Speaker 2>point Throughout the investigation, Sam led the detective inside of

439
00:26:20.279 --> 00:26:23.279
<v Speaker 2>his car, which happened to be a rental and they

440
00:26:23.279 --> 00:26:27.359
<v Speaker 2>were able to take a look around and while renting

441
00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:31.079
<v Speaker 2>and I guess you can look I guess. While searching

442
00:26:31.079 --> 00:26:33.920
<v Speaker 2>the vehicle, camping and hiking gear was found in the

443
00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:36.759
<v Speaker 2>back seat of the car, along with a huge plastic

444
00:26:36.759 --> 00:26:40.480
<v Speaker 2>container that was on the back seat. A black belt

445
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:42.680
<v Speaker 2>was also found on the floor of the back seat.

446
00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:45.559
<v Speaker 2>There was also blood found in the car that belonged

447
00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:48.799
<v Speaker 2>to both Sam and Blaze. After the search of the

448
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:51.839
<v Speaker 2>car was completed, officers then went to search the home

449
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:55.759
<v Speaker 2>where Sam lived, and while at the residence, officers found

450
00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:59.319
<v Speaker 2>the murder weapon, a knife that still had Blazes blood

451
00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:03.920
<v Speaker 2>on it. I'm really just sloppy, Yeah, I mean, give me,

452
00:27:05.079 --> 00:27:08.599
<v Speaker 2>you know what, I think if Gideon hadn't if the

453
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:14.000
<v Speaker 2>parents didn't have the wherewithal to go into the social media, yes,

454
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:16.920
<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, you know this, he would have gotten

455
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:17.279
<v Speaker 2>away with.

456
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:20.240
<v Speaker 3>I mean, this is just sloppy.

457
00:27:20.440 --> 00:27:23.839
<v Speaker 1>This is it really is who just I guess he

458
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:25.400
<v Speaker 1>thinks he's never gonna get caught.

459
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:28.640
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Why don't you clean up exactly?

460
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:31.319
<v Speaker 2>Now? They say, don't judge a book by its cover.

461
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:34.720
<v Speaker 2>I say, judge, that fucking cover that book is exactly

462
00:27:34.759 --> 00:27:37.640
<v Speaker 2>what you're looking at. And when you see the fucking

463
00:27:37.720 --> 00:27:38.400
<v Speaker 2>pictures of.

464
00:27:38.480 --> 00:27:42.759
<v Speaker 1>Oh girl, did you look you see he looks like

465
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<v Speaker 1>Charles Manson?

466
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:44.359
<v Speaker 2>O you?

467
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:47.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he looks like he looks like fucking crazy Charlie

468
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:50.799
<v Speaker 1>because and Blaze is like the sweet.

469
00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:55.200
<v Speaker 2>Sweetest thank you, I mean truly a star, a starlight

470
00:27:55.319 --> 00:27:56.200
<v Speaker 2>And like, did you.

471
00:27:56.200 --> 00:27:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Look like this when you met up with Blaize? Because

472
00:28:00.079 --> 00:28:03.000
<v Speaker 1>he looks like a fucking crazy person. He does crazy

473
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:04.160
<v Speaker 1>Charles Manson.

474
00:28:04.000 --> 00:28:08.920
<v Speaker 2>Untempt he doesn't bathe. I'm so yes, very surprised. So yeah,

475
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:11.480
<v Speaker 2>I was like, wait till you see him, Wait till

476
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:12.599
<v Speaker 2>you see him.

477
00:28:12.799 --> 00:28:14.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

478
00:28:14.480 --> 00:28:17.240
<v Speaker 2>Blaze's family was so thankful that the rain had not

479
00:28:17.359 --> 00:28:20.759
<v Speaker 2>let up that day. The heavy downpour was what helped

480
00:28:20.839 --> 00:28:24.799
<v Speaker 2>uncover Blaze's face. The funeral for Blaze took place at

481
00:28:24.799 --> 00:28:29.200
<v Speaker 2>the University Synagogue, and the Bernstein family created a catchphrase

482
00:28:29.240 --> 00:28:34.680
<v Speaker 2>for him called hashtag Blaze It Forward and Blaze spells

483
00:28:34.720 --> 00:28:40.359
<v Speaker 2>his name b Laze Blaze it forward. Yes, mm hmm.

484
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:43.519
<v Speaker 2>So many people throughout Orange County came to pay their

485
00:28:43.559 --> 00:28:46.720
<v Speaker 2>respects to the beautiful soul that the world had lost

486
00:28:46.799 --> 00:28:50.519
<v Speaker 2>in such a brutal way. He was found completely butchered.

487
00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:53.960
<v Speaker 2>The Bernstein family home was only a ten minute walk

488
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:58.039
<v Speaker 2>from the park where Blaze's body was eventually found. The

489
00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:02.359
<v Speaker 2>following Wednesday, over three hundred people gathered at Barago Park

490
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:06.640
<v Speaker 2>for a candleate vigil to honor Blaze and to celebrate

491
00:29:06.680 --> 00:29:11.240
<v Speaker 2>his life. Now. Not long after, Sam Woodward was arrested

492
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.279
<v Speaker 2>on January seventeenth, twenty eighteen, and he was taken into

493
00:29:15.319 --> 00:29:19.559
<v Speaker 2>custody for Blaze's murder with the personal use of a knife.

494
00:29:19.960 --> 00:29:23.160
<v Speaker 2>Sam told the investigators that he had driven Blaze to

495
00:29:23.200 --> 00:29:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Barago Park, but after Blaize got out of the car,

496
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.319
<v Speaker 2>he never came back. Sam said that he would cooperate

497
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:32.720
<v Speaker 2>with the police, and for the most part, his story

498
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:37.200
<v Speaker 2>remains pretty consistent. At some point, though, Sam's story became

499
00:29:37.240 --> 00:29:41.519
<v Speaker 2>a little worrisome. He told the detectives that he had

500
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:44.880
<v Speaker 2>driven to his girlfriend's house after he knew that Blaze

501
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:48.039
<v Speaker 2>was not coming back out. When Sam was asked the

502
00:29:48.119 --> 00:29:51.160
<v Speaker 2>name of his girlfriend and where she lived, he said

503
00:29:51.160 --> 00:29:55.000
<v Speaker 2>he couldn't remember her last name or what her address was,

504
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:57.160
<v Speaker 2>so sure.

505
00:29:58.599 --> 00:30:02.400
<v Speaker 1>The telltale sign also that you're lying, yes, he did

506
00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:03.240
<v Speaker 1>fuck up.

507
00:30:03.279 --> 00:30:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Oh memory loss of I.

508
00:30:06.079 --> 00:30:08.839
<v Speaker 1>Don't remember her last name or where she lives or

509
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:11.920
<v Speaker 1>any details about her, so don't ask yes.

510
00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:16.640
<v Speaker 2>So that's where his story becomes worrisome. Sam said that

511
00:30:16.680 --> 00:30:19.400
<v Speaker 2>he waited for Blaze for roughly an hour and when

512
00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:21.400
<v Speaker 2>he never came back to the car, he tried to

513
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:24.119
<v Speaker 2>get a hold of him through Snapchat, and after he

514
00:30:24.200 --> 00:30:27.039
<v Speaker 2>was done waiting, he then said he drove to this

515
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:31.640
<v Speaker 2>alleged girlfriend's house that was located in Tustin, which is

516
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.720
<v Speaker 2>a little over a twenty minute drive. Sam then said

517
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:38.119
<v Speaker 2>he returned to the park around three forty am, even

518
00:30:38.160 --> 00:30:42.480
<v Speaker 2>though Blaze never responded. Sam told detectives that Blaze had

519
00:30:42.519 --> 00:30:46.240
<v Speaker 2>confided in him that he was depressed about his grades

520
00:30:46.279 --> 00:30:50.319
<v Speaker 2>while at the University of Pennsylvania, but according to Sam,

521
00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:54.200
<v Speaker 2>he never told him that he was in any way suicidal. No,

522
00:30:54.359 --> 00:30:58.000
<v Speaker 2>you're just trying to lay that, you know, groundwork, Sam Dick.

523
00:30:58.519 --> 00:31:02.039
<v Speaker 2>According to the autopsy done on Blaze's body, he had

524
00:31:02.079 --> 00:31:05.240
<v Speaker 2>been killed by being stabbed multiple times in the neck

525
00:31:05.359 --> 00:31:08.519
<v Speaker 2>an throat. He had been stabbed more than twenty times.

526
00:31:08.839 --> 00:31:11.400
<v Speaker 2>His cell phone was also found in the shallow grave

527
00:31:11.440 --> 00:31:15.240
<v Speaker 2>as well. This told investigators and district attorney that there

528
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:19.160
<v Speaker 2>was so much hate behind the brutality of Blaze's murder.

529
00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:22.759
<v Speaker 2>When Blaze's parents were made of their son's cause of death,

530
00:31:22.960 --> 00:31:27.480
<v Speaker 2>they were inconsolable, as any parent would be. Sam went

531
00:31:27.559 --> 00:31:31.079
<v Speaker 2>through his arraignment and he pled. Guess what he pled?

532
00:31:31.319 --> 00:31:32.200
<v Speaker 2>Not guilty?

533
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:33.240
<v Speaker 3>Of course?

534
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:37.599
<v Speaker 1>Uh. The killed himself. He stabbed himself over twenty times

535
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:38.160
<v Speaker 1>in the neck.

536
00:31:38.599 --> 00:31:40.960
<v Speaker 2>Yes, probably that friend he was going to meet in

537
00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:41.640
<v Speaker 2>the wood.

538
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:45.319
<v Speaker 3>When I was at my random friend, my girlfriend's house.

539
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:48.799
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, this is fucking lies. It's like you

540
00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:54.319
<v Speaker 2>fucking liars. So yes, Sam went through his arrangement and

541
00:31:54.359 --> 00:31:57.559
<v Speaker 2>he pled not guilty. The detectives knew that they needed

542
00:31:57.559 --> 00:32:00.640
<v Speaker 2>to gather more evidence in order to put Sam Woodward

543
00:32:00.720 --> 00:32:03.920
<v Speaker 2>away for Blaze's murder. The more they dug into Sam's

544
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:06.960
<v Speaker 2>past and present lifestyle, the more they were able to

545
00:32:06.960 --> 00:32:10.119
<v Speaker 2>find out about the things that Sam had failed to

546
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:14.759
<v Speaker 2>tell the investigators. Sam had actually been affiliated with the

547
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:21.480
<v Speaker 2>neo Nazi group known as and Tom Waffen Division and

548
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:25.480
<v Speaker 2>Tom Woffen. This group specifically targets those of the Jewish

549
00:32:25.559 --> 00:32:30.599
<v Speaker 2>faith along with those who are members of LGBTQ community.

550
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:35.279
<v Speaker 2>Blaze was a double whammy, and Sam specifically targeted him

551
00:32:35.440 --> 00:32:39.079
<v Speaker 2>for this group. This group even had propaganda videos and

552
00:32:39.279 --> 00:32:43.200
<v Speaker 2>hopes to getting more to join their hate group. Their

553
00:32:43.240 --> 00:32:46.480
<v Speaker 2>goal is to completely destroy the world because they hate

554
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:49.839
<v Speaker 2>it so much, and their endgame is to completely start

555
00:32:49.880 --> 00:32:54.119
<v Speaker 2>a new reign of terror. I'm so fucking bored with

556
00:32:54.559 --> 00:32:57.759
<v Speaker 2>this is in everyone's playbook. Destroy the world and let's

557
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:00.240
<v Speaker 2>take over, destroy the world and rerun it.

558
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:02.519
<v Speaker 1>It's like any you're like, okay, well, if you just

559
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:04.519
<v Speaker 1>okay number one, if you destroy the world.

560
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:08.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, if you destroy the world, that's okay. It's gonna

561
00:33:08.640 --> 00:33:09.279
<v Speaker 3>take a long time.

562
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:12.240
<v Speaker 1>There's like, how many billions of people, like six billion

563
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.440
<v Speaker 1>people on the Earth right now, and you're gonna.

564
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:16.640
<v Speaker 3>Take over and then you're gonna take over?

565
00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:19.039
<v Speaker 2>What what are you taking over? Thank you?

566
00:33:19.319 --> 00:33:21.079
<v Speaker 3>What are you taking over? Exactly?

567
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:24.480
<v Speaker 2>It's so boring. Can someone else think of something else

568
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:31.400
<v Speaker 2>to do? Jeez, Lou, I know. Needless to say, swastikas

569
00:33:31.559 --> 00:33:35.559
<v Speaker 2>were their jam. They want to know.

570
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:36.759
<v Speaker 3>I'm bored with that too.

571
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:41.240
<v Speaker 2>I'm about dud yes, big Yarner on the fucking swastika

572
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:45.480
<v Speaker 2>that's what I think. You boring fucks. Yeah, Well, they

573
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.480
<v Speaker 2>wanted to create a new world where only white people

574
00:33:48.559 --> 00:33:52.880
<v Speaker 2>existed without anyone disagreeing with them. They wanted nothing more

575
00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:56.799
<v Speaker 2>than a race war. In one video, they literally shout

576
00:33:56.880 --> 00:34:01.640
<v Speaker 2>the words race war now and unison while shooting guns.

577
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:03.960
<v Speaker 3>And it's a bunch of white dudes, right.

578
00:34:04.039 --> 00:34:09.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is disgruntled white dudes. Aspiring members could join

579
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:14.280
<v Speaker 2>online through their website. Sam even had a Facebook post

580
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:17.519
<v Speaker 2>as he posed in front of the Confederate flag stating

581
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:22.519
<v Speaker 2>that he was quote unquote unquote feeling rebellious unquote.

582
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:23.480
<v Speaker 3>Oh what a badass.

583
00:34:23.639 --> 00:34:26.440
<v Speaker 2>I know. Oh in my book, that's called feeling like

584
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:33.280
<v Speaker 2>a pussy. For someone who always has issues making friends,

585
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:36.280
<v Speaker 2>Sam was able to fit right in with this crowd.

586
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:40.119
<v Speaker 2>Sam was charged with first degree murder and numerous hate

587
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:44.400
<v Speaker 2>crime charges. These additional hate crime charges were added on

588
00:34:44.840 --> 00:34:49.760
<v Speaker 2>August two, twenty eighteen. Opening statements took place on April ninth,

589
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:53.880
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four and Sam's mother came to his defense

590
00:34:53.920 --> 00:34:57.199
<v Speaker 2>as she gave many pages of their family history to

591
00:34:57.199 --> 00:35:00.800
<v Speaker 2>her son's defense team. Her main object was to prove

592
00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:03.360
<v Speaker 2>that her son had grown up with a very toxic

593
00:35:03.440 --> 00:35:05.760
<v Speaker 2>household and that that's.

594
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:08.679
<v Speaker 3>Who hasn't you I hate?

595
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:13.960
<v Speaker 2>And that who hasn't right, and that was what left

596
00:35:14.039 --> 00:35:17.360
<v Speaker 2>Sam feeling like he needed to be a part or

597
00:35:17.519 --> 00:35:22.679
<v Speaker 2>something bigger than himself. Yes, also known as neo Nazis.

598
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:25.280
<v Speaker 2>So I needed to become a neo.

599
00:35:25.639 --> 00:35:28.920
<v Speaker 1>Don't don't join like a Christian church, or don't join

600
00:35:29.480 --> 00:35:32.679
<v Speaker 1>like some volunteer group and help animals and ship. No,

601
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:37.000
<v Speaker 1>you find the fucking neo Nazis. Okay, Yeah, you want

602
00:35:37.000 --> 00:35:39.639
<v Speaker 1>to belong to a group, and that's the one you choose.

603
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:43.239
<v Speaker 2>What is that saying? It's like, be careful what you

604
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:46.079
<v Speaker 2>wish for, You just might get it. Like, what do

605
00:35:46.119 --> 00:35:48.000
<v Speaker 2>you think you're fishing? What do you think you're going

606
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:50.719
<v Speaker 2>to pull up in this blake of hate with these people?

607
00:35:51.280 --> 00:35:51.480
<v Speaker 3>Right?

608
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.360
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm gonna tell you what he pulled up? So

609
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:57.920
<v Speaker 2>but sally for Sam, his mother, Michelle was not the

610
00:35:57.920 --> 00:36:01.880
<v Speaker 2>most useful witness as she testified for her son. She

611
00:36:02.119 --> 00:36:05.400
<v Speaker 2>had a really hard time being consistent in her timelines

612
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:09.599
<v Speaker 2>along with her son's past. The defense was trying everything

613
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.079
<v Speaker 2>they possibly could to have the jury believe without reasonable

614
00:36:13.119 --> 00:36:15.960
<v Speaker 2>doubt that Sam was not in his right mind as

615
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:21.280
<v Speaker 2>he stabbed his Jewish and gay victim, Blaisee Bernstein to death.

616
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:25.280
<v Speaker 2>Michelle it appeared, was not ready to completely throw her

617
00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:28.199
<v Speaker 2>entire family under the bus in order to save her

618
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.559
<v Speaker 2>neo Nazi son. The defense attempted to pull out of

619
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:35.199
<v Speaker 2>her that he had been undiagnosed with a form of

620
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:41.480
<v Speaker 2>autism which led to this dark and violent personality. Sam's father, Blake,

621
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:45.119
<v Speaker 2>had previously given the defense team his stance on the

622
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:49.960
<v Speaker 2>LGBTQ plus community, and with his statement he felt that

623
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:52.039
<v Speaker 2>being homosexual was a sin.

624
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:54.800
<v Speaker 3>Well, there you go, there you go, and.

625
00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:59.599
<v Speaker 2>Michelle testified that the Catholic religion was prominent within her household.

626
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:03.320
<v Speaker 2>She also said that her husband, along with Sam's older brother,

627
00:37:03.400 --> 00:37:08.239
<v Speaker 2>would often use homophobic slurs frequently now Clay, Sam's older

628
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:17.360
<v Speaker 2>brother had even called Sam a F word jit when

629
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:21.320
<v Speaker 2>they thought that Sam could have been gay. Oh oh,

630
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<v Speaker 2>the gay F word. Yes, yes, the gay F word.

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<v Speaker 2>And so maybe it was a hookup maybe Sam, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>like that self loathing, that's like.

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<v Speaker 3>It could be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, he hated that part of himself, maybe and that's

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<v Speaker 1>why he lashed out at Blaze exactly.

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00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:44.000
<v Speaker 2>Michelle testified that being a homosexual was more of an

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<v Speaker 2>issue for Blake, her husband, than it was for her,

638
00:37:48.039 --> 00:37:51.800
<v Speaker 2>and she had even seen her husband hit Sam multiple times,

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00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:56.079
<v Speaker 2>so Sam's diary was read aloud in the court, and

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<v Speaker 2>within the writings, Sam admitted that he would lead gay

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00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:02.199
<v Speaker 2>men on so that he could shame and humiliate them.

642
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:06.960
<v Speaker 2>He had no issue writing homophobic slurs and calling homosexual

643
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<v Speaker 2>men sodomites. Blaze, on the other hand, was texting his

644
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<v Speaker 2>friends about potentially seducing his right winged former classmate. Blaze

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<v Speaker 2>even wrote to Sam saying that he would always keep

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<v Speaker 2>his secret and never out him. The defense used Blaze's

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<v Speaker 2>final text with his friends to try to persuade the

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00:38:27.320 --> 00:38:32.440
<v Speaker 2>jury members that Sam's murder was never premeditated. It was

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<v Speaker 2>purely something done after Blaze had provoked him to lash

650
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:40.360
<v Speaker 2>out violence. Okay, sure, yes, with Blaze's fault to provoke

651
00:38:40.480 --> 00:38:44.800
<v Speaker 2>somebody to lash out like that. Blaze's parents, Jeanie and Gideon,

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<v Speaker 2>were called to testify for the prosecution on April tenth,

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four, and Jeanie said that she knew that

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<v Speaker 2>many things were going to be said throughout the trial

655
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<v Speaker 2>that wouldn't be true, but she was going to do

656
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<v Speaker 2>the best that she could to get justice for her son.

657
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:04.760
<v Speaker 2>Both parents testified to defend their boy, and they were

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<v Speaker 2>among the total of twenty three witnesses that would be

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<v Speaker 2>called by the prosecution. The prosecution presented evidence that Sam's

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<v Speaker 2>murdering Blaze was purely premeditated, as he had agreed to

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<v Speaker 2>meet up with Blaze. Sam never intended to meet up unarmed.

662
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:25.559
<v Speaker 2>He had brought his knife and Adam Woffen mask. Apparently

663
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<v Speaker 2>the group wears the mask and a shoveling object to

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<v Speaker 2>barry Blaze with once the murder had been successfully completed.

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<v Speaker 2>Towards the tail end of the trial, Sam was looking

666
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<v Speaker 2>a lot like Charles Manson, as you most aptly described,

667
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<v Speaker 2>as he sat with his long, greasy hair and beard.

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<v Speaker 2>He told the jury that on the night that he

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<v Speaker 2>took Blaize's life, he had smoked some weed. He also

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00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:55.079
<v Speaker 2>said that Blaze was teasing him and had threatened to

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<v Speaker 2>out Sam as a homosexual. So I swear to God

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00:39:59.719 --> 00:40:03.960
<v Speaker 2>if there fucking blaming weed. As for violent outbursts, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>about done with that bullshit lie.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I've never known a violent podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you. Don't you dare say anything about cannabis in

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00:40:15.320 --> 00:40:19.320
<v Speaker 2>that kind of way. Dare you? Sam even went as

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<v Speaker 2>far as accused his victim of sexual assault. But there

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<v Speaker 2>was never any evidence that Blaze ever did or would

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<v Speaker 2>have done such a thing. Sam was merely trying to

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<v Speaker 2>get anything to stick on. Yeah, you know, stick in

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<v Speaker 2>his own way of slandering Blaze's good name.

682
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Blaze isn't there to defend him, that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So let's make it sound like he's the fucking monster.

684
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<v Speaker 2>When you're the monster, Sam, So shut up. Sam then

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00:40:46.519 --> 00:40:49.679
<v Speaker 2>told the jury that he stabbed Blaze to death, and

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00:40:49.760 --> 00:40:52.559
<v Speaker 2>when asked why he carried a knife, Sam said that

687
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<v Speaker 2>he was in the Boy Scouts and he had chosen

688
00:40:55.119 --> 00:40:59.079
<v Speaker 2>always to carry one ever since. So what would the

689
00:40:59.119 --> 00:41:03.000
<v Speaker 2>boy Scouts say about him? Now? Right? His testimony went

690
00:41:03.039 --> 00:41:06.760
<v Speaker 2>on for five days as he tried to portray to

691
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:10.719
<v Speaker 2>the jury members that he was somehow on the spectrum.

692
00:41:11.119 --> 00:41:14.280
<v Speaker 2>His defense team had trained him to take forever to

693
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<v Speaker 2>answer the most simple questions thrown to him. Oh my gosh,

694
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<v Speaker 2>can you imagine that fucking trial. Yeah, this trial was

695
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<v Speaker 2>postponed for years after his defense team had tried to

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<v Speaker 2>say that Sam's mental capacity was the reason behind the

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<v Speaker 2>brutal murder. On July third, twenty twenty four, Sam was

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<v Speaker 2>found guilty a first degree murder along with the additional

699
00:41:38.440 --> 00:41:42.559
<v Speaker 2>hate crimes, and on October twenty second, twenty twenty four,

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00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:47.519
<v Speaker 2>sam would show his face for sentencing while Jeanie Bernstein

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00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:51.960
<v Speaker 2>gave her victim impact statement. She said, quote, no mother

702
00:41:52.480 --> 00:41:55.800
<v Speaker 2>should ever have to bury her child. My heart was

703
00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:59.639
<v Speaker 2>so broken and yet unable to accept the reality that

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00:41:59.679 --> 00:42:03.039
<v Speaker 2>he was no longer part of our world. I will

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00:42:03.079 --> 00:42:06.559
<v Speaker 2>never forget hearing for the first time that Blaze had

706
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<v Speaker 2>been stabbed twenty eight times. End quote. She went on

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<v Speaker 2>to say that hearing how her son died was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most painful things that any mother would ever

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00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:25.360
<v Speaker 2>have to hear. Now, thankfully, oh right, I just it's heartbreaking, Yes, thankfully.

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<v Speaker 2>Samuel Woodward was sentenced to life in prison without any

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00:42:28.880 --> 00:42:32.159
<v Speaker 2>possibility of parole, and he can spend the rest of

712
00:42:32.199 --> 00:42:35.559
<v Speaker 2>his days hating himself in his own life for what

713
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:40.679
<v Speaker 2>he did to Blaze Burnstein in his family. So I

714
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:46.599
<v Speaker 2>that is bitter, bitter, bitter, bitter, bitter sweet ending to

715
00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:50.079
<v Speaker 2>life in prison, no parole. I don't even know why

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00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:51.400
<v Speaker 2>you signed up to come here.

717
00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:56.039
<v Speaker 3>I don't neither. Oh, that's just it's just so incredibly sad.

718
00:42:56.199 --> 00:42:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Why they hate me? But are you sleeping with him?

719
00:42:59.559 --> 00:43:05.679
<v Speaker 2>Are you. People's sexual orientation should not interfere with who

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00:43:05.719 --> 00:43:07.880
<v Speaker 2>they are as a person, because I really don't care

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00:43:08.039 --> 00:43:10.239
<v Speaker 2>about what you do. When I'm not talking with you

722
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:14.840
<v Speaker 2>with my clothes on, Yeah, I'm not thinking like, why

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<v Speaker 2>does it?

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<v Speaker 1>Man? I don't understand why people get so upset. To me,

725
00:43:19.840 --> 00:43:22.280
<v Speaker 1>it's like, just worry about yourself.

726
00:43:22.440 --> 00:43:25.480
<v Speaker 2>That you have. We as individuals have so much on

727
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:28.960
<v Speaker 2>our plates that we can work on about ourselves. I

728
00:43:28.960 --> 00:43:30.920
<v Speaker 2>didn't want to look at your plate. I got so

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<v Speaker 2>much on my f.

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<v Speaker 1>I you know, the only thing I can control in

731
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<v Speaker 1>my life is the things that I do and how

732
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:40.440
<v Speaker 1>I react to yeah, and how I react to things exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>So just fucking worry about yourself. Mind your business, mind

734
00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:47.559
<v Speaker 1>your business, and don't worry about what every fucking other

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00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:50.159
<v Speaker 1>person does. I could get on my soapbox, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not done.

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<v Speaker 2>So every time we do one of these stories, all

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<v Speaker 2>I can have a peaceful week and then it'll be

739
00:43:55.840 --> 00:43:58.320
<v Speaker 2>like tying to record and I'll be like this motherfucker,

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. You know it's funny. Earlier, so Brooke

741
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:05.199
<v Speaker 2>and Eye, you know, it's like Sunday and Brooke and

742
00:44:05.239 --> 00:44:06.880
<v Speaker 2>I are just having a nice Sunday, we went to

743
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:11.320
<v Speaker 2>go see Levi's great great grandmother. We went, we came home.

744
00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:13.840
<v Speaker 2>I'm kind of it's like nice, it's cool in the house.

745
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:17.400
<v Speaker 2>My grandma keeps it at a brisk eighty degrees on

746
00:44:17.559 --> 00:44:20.320
<v Speaker 2>this eighty degree day because she's, you know, one hundred

747
00:44:20.400 --> 00:44:24.760
<v Speaker 2>and two, so she's always chilly. So finally it's like

748
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:26.840
<v Speaker 2>we get into this school house and it was just

749
00:44:26.960 --> 00:44:30.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, Levi's in his little baby swing, Brooks right

750
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:32.920
<v Speaker 2>next to him on her phone, you know, going through

751
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:35.199
<v Speaker 2>some stuff. I'm in the kitchen, I can, you know,

752
00:44:35.360 --> 00:44:39.239
<v Speaker 2>see down, And I thought, my god, not having a

753
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:42.480
<v Speaker 2>toxic mail in the house is all the difference. I

754
00:44:42.519 --> 00:44:46.559
<v Speaker 2>can't even believe how beautifully wonderful this is, like a

755
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:50.159
<v Speaker 2>kiss from on my forehead from the Lord. I'm so,

756
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:54.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, just to notice it, like a fucking toxic mail.

757
00:44:54.159 --> 00:44:58.800
<v Speaker 2>And I think of Sam's how Blaze's parents were like, okay,

758
00:44:58.960 --> 00:45:00.800
<v Speaker 2>I think you know, I'm sure they had the conversation.

759
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:04.599
<v Speaker 2>I think Blaze is gay cool. That's you know, parents

760
00:45:04.599 --> 00:45:07.119
<v Speaker 2>are like, okay, here's you know, you can fall here,

761
00:45:07.239 --> 00:45:10.079
<v Speaker 2>you get soft cushion, blow will always be and then

762
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:13.639
<v Speaker 2>you on the opposite side of the spectrum. You have

763
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:17.519
<v Speaker 2>Sam's parents who may suspect that Sam's gay, and then

764
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:22.280
<v Speaker 2>he gets all these hateful slurs, punching, hitting, Where's that

765
00:45:22.360 --> 00:45:24.559
<v Speaker 2>going to go? But I see what the difference of

766
00:45:24.880 --> 00:45:31.000
<v Speaker 2>loving your children and hating your children two very different outcomes.

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00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:35.000
<v Speaker 1>Right, it's yeah, exactly, and that's why we have the

768
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<v Speaker 1>problems that we have.

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<v Speaker 2>Mother Teresa said this one thing. It's like, you want

770
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<v Speaker 2>to have a peace in the world, go home and

771
00:45:41.679 --> 00:45:44.760
<v Speaker 2>love your family. Yeah, and that's so true.

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<v Speaker 1>Start, there's some wise words right there, and very much so.

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00:45:49.599 --> 00:45:59.039
<v Speaker 2>But yes, that's the story of Sweet Blaze Burnsteemly.

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<v Speaker 3>His poor family. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. Everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that's all the business that we have.

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<v Speaker 1>So Shannon, thank you again. I'm gonna let you get

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<v Speaker 1>back to Mimi.

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<v Speaker 2>Duties all right. I'm on my way and you too. Girl.

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<v Speaker 2>You have a wonderful rest of the weekend, and our

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<v Speaker 2>listeners have a wonderful week till we see each other again.

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<v Speaker 3>Until we see each other again, I'll talk to you

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<v Speaker 3>all right.

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<v Speaker 2>Leve me guy. Bye.

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<v Speaker 1>Si