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<v Speaker 1>It is six thirty, it is Friday. It is that time.

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<v Speaker 1>the legend behind interest I joins us every Friday at

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<v Speaker 1>this time. His name Dave Adda. Welcome back, Dave. Always

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<v Speaker 1>a pleasure to have you on the show, my friend.

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<v Speaker 2>Always my pleasure to be here, Brian, thanks for having

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<v Speaker 2>me on.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, where do you want to start?

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<v Speaker 1>I got the three articles you send, We've got dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>we've got job seekers, and we've got Apple helping the

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese Communist Party.

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't we do that one last? Why don't we

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<v Speaker 2>start with the Ukraine deployees nine thousand dollars robots? All okay,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the last ten years or so, Brian, we've

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<v Speaker 2>talked about, you know, robots and how far this technology's

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<v Speaker 2>advanced for a long time, and you know, it obviously

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<v Speaker 2>continues to advance. I encourage people to go out and

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<v Speaker 2>check out like Atlas for example, or must robots optimists

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<v Speaker 2>and see what these things can do. I know again,

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<v Speaker 2>we've talked about this. I'm sure you've watched some of

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<v Speaker 2>these videos. You know, I stumble into these things all

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<v Speaker 2>the time. But there's been concern by many experts out

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<v Speaker 2>there for you know, quite a while that these robots,

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<v Speaker 2>even though many of them have more industrial type applications.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's be real here, industrial robots have been around

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<v Speaker 2>for a long long time, right, I mean probably into

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<v Speaker 2>the late sixties or early seventies. We've seen factories in

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<v Speaker 2>places like GM and John Deere and so forth, Caterpillar,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, with the robot arm that's whatever. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of I mean, the concept of robots itself

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<v Speaker 2>is not new, but when you look at the advanced

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<v Speaker 2>capabilities these things now have, it's pretty pretty wild on

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<v Speaker 2>a number of fronts. But the weaponization, you know, continues

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<v Speaker 2>to advance, and it is really kind of scary.

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<v Speaker 1>It is really really scary. And the other creepy thing

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<v Speaker 1>about it. At least the robots back when the ones

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<v Speaker 1>you're referring to, the early ones, didn't have animal like

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<v Speaker 1>or human like qualities. They look like industrial machinery. Now

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<v Speaker 1>you got these creepy armed dogs. They got four legs

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<v Speaker 1>and they run around. They kind of act like animals,

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<v Speaker 1>but they're not, and they're just scary as hell.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to your point, you know, a lot of those

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<v Speaker 2>earlier industrial robots had limited mobility, right, they were fixed

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<v Speaker 2>to the ground, and they had a certain you know,

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<v Speaker 2>range of motion and certain tasks they perform, but for

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<v Speaker 2>the most part, they were you know, pretty much fixed

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<v Speaker 2>to one place. Now you've got to your point. Robots

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<v Speaker 2>that either look like animals are humanoid. They have a

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<v Speaker 2>wide range of motion, they can perform a wide array

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<v Speaker 2>of tasks. And again this idea of weaponization, which obviously

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<v Speaker 2>science fiction writers have been predicting for a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know, we've seen examples now. And this is

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<v Speaker 2>a headline from the New York Post. Ukraine deploys nine

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars robot dogs versus Russia, with plans to use

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<v Speaker 2>them as quote kamakazis unquote on the front lines. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know that this article gets into a variety

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<v Speaker 2>of different uses. They have pictures of what I'm assuming

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<v Speaker 2>are Ukrainian soldiers with these robot dogs, which look like

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<v Speaker 2>something out of an X Files episode, or there is

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<v Speaker 2>a Black Mirror episode. For folks who haven't seen Black Mirror,

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<v Speaker 2>on Netflix. You know, there's a Black Mirror episode that

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<v Speaker 2>once you see this headline and watch it, you will

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<v Speaker 2>you will definitely see why there are concerns.

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<v Speaker 3>But they watch that show.

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<v Speaker 2>I get it, Brian, I understand.

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<v Speaker 1>So creepy real, and it's like a moment and it's

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<v Speaker 1>one moment in time ahead of where we are right now.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's what's so creepy about that show.

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<v Speaker 2>I am not gonna just what you're saying, but they've

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<v Speaker 2>got some photos and here are the dogs doing different things,

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<v Speaker 2>and they point out I've cost about nine thousand. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>can't train a soldier for nine thousand dollars, or field

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<v Speaker 2>a soldier and feed a soldier for nine thousand dollars.

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<v Speaker 3>Or get a soldier agree to kill harm reserves?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well exactly. I was in the Army of Reserves

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<v Speaker 2>for eight years back between eighty six and ninety two

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<v Speaker 2>as a combat engineer, So you know, I'm really familiar

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<v Speaker 2>with things like C four and landmines and such. And

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<v Speaker 2>when you think about and that's really old technology. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going back almost forty years now. When you think

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<v Speaker 2>of modern land mines, modern explosives that may be much

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<v Speaker 2>more powerful than C four that I don't know about.

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<v Speaker 2>When you look at the size of one of these robots,

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<v Speaker 2>you could pack a substantial amount of C four or

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<v Speaker 2>other military grade explosive on one of these things and

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<v Speaker 2>just literally have it walk into a truck or a tank.

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<v Speaker 2>You know. Now, these don't go that fast at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Their maximum speed is nine miles an hour. But what

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<v Speaker 2>human being can run nine miles an hour for any

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<v Speaker 2>extended period of time many, you know, so it's it's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty crazy when you think that. You know, in the

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<v Speaker 2>old days, you go back and think about World War

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<v Speaker 2>two or something like that, you have a machine gun nest, right, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know you've got to fight the guys and

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<v Speaker 2>try to take them out, hand grenades, you know, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>a variety of different weapons. But here you could just

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<v Speaker 2>have one of these things walk right into it, and

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<v Speaker 2>depending on how heavily armored it is and how good

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<v Speaker 2>of a shot you are, I mean, obviously, if you

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<v Speaker 2>hit this with enough rounds, it's probably not going to survive.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is the first generation of this stuff. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it does not look heavily armored, and obviously that would

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<v Speaker 2>weigh it down and make it you waste more battery

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<v Speaker 2>life because according to this article, these things only run

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<v Speaker 2>about five hours. But it just it shows you the

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<v Speaker 2>potential future of these sorts of weapons and warn No,

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<v Speaker 2>I know there's other articles out there about the Army

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<v Speaker 2>testing robot tanks. And you know, you've got drones. I

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<v Speaker 2>think drones obviously in my mind are a type of robot.

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<v Speaker 1>They've got drone boats tom Cozi's that blow up ships

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<v Speaker 1>in the shipping line over in the Middle East.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's And I saw another article which I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>send you this morning apparently and again you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>always like to try to fact check this stuff as

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<v Speaker 2>much as I can, but apparently the Ukrainians have used

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of drone with a flamethrower on it. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>If you can imagine it, it's real. I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 1>where we are. If you can just imagine it, it

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<v Speaker 1>probably is a reality out there somewhere behind the scenes,

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<v Speaker 1>just coming to a theater near you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even if it's not in public, Yes, it's probably

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<v Speaker 2>in a lab somewhere. There's a greed.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it's real quick here because you get right.

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<v Speaker 1>I watched the drone display the EBN fireworks, thousand drones

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<v Speaker 1>flying in synchronicity, And the thing that struck me is like,

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<v Speaker 1>holy crap, this is a I could write a check

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<v Speaker 1>and pay for that myself. Like, if I had enough money,

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<v Speaker 1>I could hire the company. If it's a private company

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<v Speaker 1>that does this. Right, absolutely, they have the technology to

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<v Speaker 1>perform that kind of intricate ballet in the sky with

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<v Speaker 1>a thousand different drones. Can you imagine what the military

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<v Speaker 1>tick can do. It's just frightening stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, we'll come back. We'll talk about employment scams as

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<v Speaker 1>well as Apple and why are they promoting Chinese communist parties?

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<v Speaker 1>way you want to go? You want to go Chinese

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<v Speaker 1>Communist party or employment scams?

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<v Speaker 2>Why don't we do employment scams next?

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<v Speaker 3>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>I think this is such an important topic and if

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<v Speaker 2>you just go do a quick search on this, right,

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<v Speaker 2>So I hit duck dot go. I did a quick

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<v Speaker 2>search on job scams, and I mean they're just pages

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<v Speaker 2>and pages of information. Let me give you a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of headlines here, and then we'll delve into some specifics.

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<v Speaker 2>The FTC says how to spot the latest job scams.

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<v Speaker 2>The FBI has reported on this the Better Business Bureau

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<v Speaker 2>Job Scam Alert, how to spot a job scam. Indeed,

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<v Speaker 2>a job hosting site right says ten signs of job posting,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe a scam. NBC says job scam searched one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and eighteen percent, and twenty twenty three aided by ai

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<v Speaker 2>In has a similar headline. And then Money Magazine common

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<v Speaker 2>job scams and how to avoid them. That's just just

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<v Speaker 2>me scanning what I found on a simple search, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>And I bring this up because I think this is

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<v Speaker 2>not news to anyone listening. The job market is not good.

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<v Speaker 2>It's getting worse rapidly from everything I've read, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know many people who are looking for jobs and struggling

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<v Speaker 2>mightily at this time. So I wanted to raise this

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<v Speaker 2>point because I know people are looking for jobs, and

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<v Speaker 2>I know the market is tough, and scammers, unfortunately, as

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<v Speaker 2>we've discussed so many times, Brian will go wherever people are.

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<v Speaker 2>These people are creative and devious, and they will steal

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<v Speaker 2>your information and or your money any possible way. So

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<v Speaker 2>I want to warn people while obviously keep looking for

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<v Speaker 2>a job. I just think it's so despicable that there

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<v Speaker 2>are scammers out there who would want to hit someone

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<v Speaker 2>when they're already down. I mean, how would you feel

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<v Speaker 2>and what impact would that have on you and your

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<v Speaker 2>family if you're already in financial trouble because you can't

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<v Speaker 2>find a job and now you have people stealing your

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<v Speaker 2>money and stealing your information and perhaps your identity as

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<v Speaker 2>a result. I mean, it's just absolutely despicable. So you know,

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<v Speaker 2>whether it's something like search engine poisoning, We've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>this before. People need to understand that the bad guys

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<v Speaker 2>will spend some moderate amount of money, some nominal amount

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<v Speaker 2>of money to go post a job on Indeed or

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<v Speaker 2>Monster or Dice or any job board they'll buy. They'll

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<v Speaker 2>use search engine optimization techniques and buy sponsored ads. So

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<v Speaker 2>when you search for something, what shows up on a

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<v Speaker 2>search engine like Google or Being or a start page

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<v Speaker 2>or Duck DUCKG or whatever is fake. Because they know

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<v Speaker 2>the average person doesn't know search engine poisoning is a thing, right,

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<v Speaker 2>They think that because things show up in a search engine,

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<v Speaker 2>they must be legit ye, or they show up on

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<v Speaker 2>a job board, they must be legit, and it's critical

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<v Speaker 2>to understand it. Just because something shows up in a search,

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<v Speaker 2>or just because a job is posted to a legitimate

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<v Speaker 2>job site doesn't mean there isn't a scammer behind it. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>everything is easy to spoof. These people are smart. They

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<v Speaker 2>know that average folks don't understand how these things work.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know real quick, because I know what are

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<v Speaker 2>out of time, I encourage people, and I'll post this

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<v Speaker 2>in my notes on Twitter and LinkedIn and so forth.

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<v Speaker 2>If you just look at the the ND ten signs

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<v Speaker 2>of job posting maybe fake or the FTC's guidance, there's

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<v Speaker 2>some great tips there that help you kind of wrap

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<v Speaker 2>your head around what to look out for. The number

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<v Speaker 2>one obviously being if it's too good to be true,

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<v Speaker 2>it probably is. Yeah. Hey, if you suddenly get an

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<v Speaker 2>unsolicited email from a quote recruiter or headhunter unquote and

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<v Speaker 1>Probably scam I'm going to go with. Definitely a scam.

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<v Speaker 1>Not a week goes by, I don't get an opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>to represent someone. Are you interested in doing some legal work?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, healthy death, skepticism and paranoia goes a

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<v Speaker 2>guaranteed scam. You know, if the recruiter quote unquote wants

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<v Speaker 2>you to pay upfront, you know, I want to remind people,

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<v Speaker 2>almost all legitimate recruiters get paid by the employer who

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<v Speaker 2>because they're getting paid a percentage of your starting salary.

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<v Speaker 2>So again, the FTC has a bunch of tips, The

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<v Speaker 2>the ten tips. And I'll wink all this stuff. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, if you are someone you know as looking

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<v Speaker 2>for a job, your kids, your grandkids, your family, there

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<v Speaker 2>them so that they can make smart decisions, because again,

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<v Speaker 2>looking for jobs online, that's the way this stuff works. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Obviously, good Land mind, land mind literally everywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>Everywhere, everywhere, all right, But beware, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Beware Chinese Communist Party being helped out by Apple.

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently. We'll talk about that next with Dave Hatter six two.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have carc Detalk station, Dave Hatter's gonna tell

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<v Speaker 1>What's the story on this one? I thought Apple was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be one of the good guys out there, Dave.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Apple generally is much more privacy and security friendly

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<v Speaker 2>than their competitors. And I'd just like to remind folks,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, all these big tech companies have their issues,

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<v Speaker 2>but when you look at Apple and Microsoft versus folks

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<v Speaker 2>like Google, Facebook, et cetera, their whole business model really

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<v Speaker 2>is different. Apple and Microsoft both sell you products, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Apple both hardware and software, Microsoft mostly software. And ye,

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<v Speaker 2>folks can argue with me. Yeah, Google makes Pixel phones,

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<v Speaker 2>the Android operating system, so they do have some products.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of the money coming from Google is from your data,

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<v Speaker 2>same as meta slash Facebook. Right. Yeah, So I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is an interesting take and I'm glad someone is

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<v Speaker 2>raising the concern about this. It gets back to these

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese apps. You and I have talked about before, namely

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<v Speaker 2>TikTok for a long time and the privacy concerns and

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<v Speaker 2>propaganda concerns around TikTok. But this guy is an attorney.

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<v Speaker 2>It's article is written by Joel Thayer, and it's in

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<v Speaker 2>the Hill Again. I'll post the link. I encourage people

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<v Speaker 2>to go read it for themselves. This guy apparently is

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<v Speaker 2>tech and telecom lawyer in DC, and he makes some

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<v Speaker 2>interesting points, really going back to the fact that at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of the day, if a company is based

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<v Speaker 2>out of China, it's controlled by the People's Republic of

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<v Speaker 2>China and the Chinese Communist Party, who have some very

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<v Speaker 2>onerous laws in general and specifically around data collection and privacy.

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<v Speaker 2>And he states in here. So I'm going to read

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<v Speaker 2>directly from the article. For instance, China's twenty fifteen National

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<v Speaker 2>Security Law compels locally employed Chinese nationals of American companies

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<v Speaker 2>companies with citizens. China's twenty twenty one cyber Vulnerability Reporting

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<v Speaker 2>Law requires Chinese based companies to report security flaws to

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<v Speaker 2>the Chinese government so they can quote exploit system flaws

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<v Speaker 2>before cyber vulnerabilities are publicly known unquote. And then you know,

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<v Speaker 2>he goes on with some other laws. You know, twenty

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<v Speaker 2>seventeen National Intelligence Law creates a legal obligation for those

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<v Speaker 2>the Chinese government, So that twenty twenty one cyber Vulnerability

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<v Speaker 2>Reporting Law basically in Layman's term, says, if you, as

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<v Speaker 2>a Chinese national, become aware of a vulnerability and software,

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<v Speaker 2>you are required to report it to the Chinese government

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<v Speaker 2>so they can exploit it before this would be a

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<v Speaker 2>zero day exploit, before it can be fixed by the manufacturer.

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<v Speaker 2>That's essentially what that means. So his point, so his

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<v Speaker 2>point here is you have an app store, and this

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<v Speaker 2>is not exclusive to Apple. I think he put his

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<v Speaker 2>sites on Apple primarily because they are seen as more

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<v Speaker 2>privacy and security friendly. So when you look at it

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<v Speaker 2>through that lens, this is you know, even more problematic

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<v Speaker 2>than you know something like the Android store. But this

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<v Speaker 2>would have the same problems, right if the app originates

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<v Speaker 2>from a company controlled by a Chinese company or directly

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<v Speaker 2>from China, you can guarantee any and all data it collects.

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<v Speaker 2>And let me remind folks, go look at the Apple

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<v Speaker 2>app Store privacy label for TikTok or any app that

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<v Speaker 2>Tamu right has recently come in the crosshairs. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>Chinese shopping app similar to Amazon right and for a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of these same problems. Look at the privacy label

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<v Speaker 2>and see what it collects. It's astounding, and most of

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<v Speaker 2>it is stuff they don't need to provide the service

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<v Speaker 2>they claim to provide. So, you know, he points out

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<v Speaker 2>in more detail later in here, you know some of

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<v Speaker 2>the issues with specific types of apps. But the bottom

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<v Speaker 2>line is if you're using an app that's controlled by

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<v Speaker 2>a Chinese company, they are collecting enormous amounts of data

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<v Speaker 2>about you and potentially using it as a propaganda tool

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<v Speaker 2>to push pro prc CCP narratives and to push anti American,

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<v Speaker 2>anti Western narratives, propaganda, spyware, et cetera. So again, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a theme that keeps coming up, right, and there

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<v Speaker 2>are many people who have now warned about this. It's

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<v Speaker 2>why we've seen the push for the TikTok ban there

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<v Speaker 2>are now people calling for bands on things like Tamu. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I encourage people. There was a great article recently, I

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<v Speaker 2>can't remember the exact headline with something like Tamu is

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<v Speaker 2>a spyware app in your pocket and you know it

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<v Speaker 2>goes into detail around this Again, I'll wink all this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff so people can get more information, share with their

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<v Speaker 2>family members who might be using these things. I understand

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<v Speaker 2>the convenience. I understand that it's nice to get cheap

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<v Speaker 2>goods that will fall apart the first time you use them.

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<v Speaker 2>But you got to understand the larger psio ops, black ops,

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<v Speaker 2>propaganda aspects of these things. And even if that isn't

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<v Speaker 2>a concern to you, where you don't believe it, all

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<v Speaker 2>of your extremely sensitive data going to Chinese companies who

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<v Speaker 2>are controlled by the CCP and the PRC, who are

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<v Speaker 2>increasingly adversarial to all Western countries. Just look at what's

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<v Speaker 2>It's not good. There's nothing good that can come of

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<v Speaker 1>Amen exclamation Point, interest It Dot commerce fund. David is cruf.

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<v Speaker 1>You have a company, you have computers, you need interest it.

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<v Speaker 1>Business Career says they're the best in the business. Thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for joining the program every Friday at six thirty. I

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<v Speaker 1>always enjoy our conversations. Obviously very informative and quite often frightening,

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<v Speaker 1>but you got to get the info out and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad we've got you to help us out. Dave hat Ter,

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<v Speaker 1>have a wonderful weekend, my friend. We'll talk next Friday.

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<v Speaker 2>Always my pleasure. Brian, have a great day and I'll

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<v Speaker 2>talk to you in