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Speaker 1: this time. His name Dave Adda. Welcome back, Dave. Always
Speaker 1: a pleasure to have you on the show, my friend.
Speaker 2: Always my pleasure to be here, Brian, thanks for having
Speaker 2: me on.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, where do you want to start?
Speaker 1: I got the three articles you send, We've got dogs,
Speaker 1: we've got job seekers, and we've got Apple helping the
Speaker 1: Chinese Communist Party.
Speaker 2: Why don't we do that one last? Why don't we
Speaker 2: start with the Ukraine deployees nine thousand dollars robots? All okay,
Speaker 2: you know, the last ten years or so, Brian, we've
Speaker 2: talked about, you know, robots and how far this technology's
Speaker 2: advanced for a long time, and you know, it obviously
Speaker 2: continues to advance. I encourage people to go out and
Speaker 2: check out like Atlas for example, or must robots optimists
Speaker 2: and see what these things can do. I know again,
Speaker 2: we've talked about this. I'm sure you've watched some of
Speaker 2: these videos. You know, I stumble into these things all
Speaker 2: the time. But there's been concern by many experts out
Speaker 2: there for you know, quite a while that these robots,
Speaker 2: even though many of them have more industrial type applications.
Speaker 2: And let's be real here, industrial robots have been around
Speaker 2: for a long long time, right, I mean probably into
Speaker 2: the late sixties or early seventies. We've seen factories in
Speaker 2: places like GM and John Deere and so forth, Caterpillar,
Speaker 2: you know, with the robot arm that's whatever. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: that kind of I mean, the concept of robots itself
Speaker 2: is not new, but when you look at the advanced
Speaker 2: capabilities these things now have, it's pretty pretty wild on
Speaker 2: a number of fronts. But the weaponization, you know, continues
Speaker 2: to advance, and it is really kind of scary.
Speaker 1: It is really really scary. And the other creepy thing
Speaker 1: about it. At least the robots back when the ones
Speaker 1: you're referring to, the early ones, didn't have animal like
Speaker 1: or human like qualities. They look like industrial machinery. Now
Speaker 1: you got these creepy armed dogs. They got four legs
Speaker 1: and they run around. They kind of act like animals,
Speaker 1: but they're not, and they're just scary as hell.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to your point, you know, a lot of those
Speaker 2: earlier industrial robots had limited mobility, right, they were fixed
Speaker 2: to the ground, and they had a certain you know,
Speaker 2: range of motion and certain tasks they perform, but for
Speaker 2: the most part, they were you know, pretty much fixed
Speaker 2: to one place. Now you've got to your point. Robots
Speaker 2: that either look like animals are humanoid. They have a
Speaker 2: wide range of motion, they can perform a wide array
Speaker 2: of tasks. And again this idea of weaponization, which obviously
Speaker 2: science fiction writers have been predicting for a long time.
Speaker 2: But you know, we've seen examples now. And this is
Speaker 2: a headline from the New York Post. Ukraine deploys nine
Speaker 2: thousand dollars robot dogs versus Russia, with plans to use
Speaker 2: them as quote kamakazis unquote on the front lines. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know that this article gets into a variety
Speaker 2: of different uses. They have pictures of what I'm assuming
Speaker 2: are Ukrainian soldiers with these robot dogs, which look like
Speaker 2: something out of an X Files episode, or there is
Speaker 2: a Black Mirror episode. For folks who haven't seen Black Mirror,
Speaker 2: on Netflix. You know, there's a Black Mirror episode that
Speaker 2: once you see this headline and watch it, you will
Speaker 2: you will definitely see why there are concerns.
Speaker 3: But they watch that show.
Speaker 2: I get it, Brian, I understand.
Speaker 1: So creepy real, and it's like a moment and it's
Speaker 1: one moment in time ahead of where we are right now.
Speaker 1: And that's what's so creepy about that show.
Speaker 2: I am not gonna just what you're saying, but they've
Speaker 2: got some photos and here are the dogs doing different things,
Speaker 2: and they point out I've cost about nine thousand. Obviously,
Speaker 2: can't train a soldier for nine thousand dollars, or field
Speaker 2: a soldier and feed a soldier for nine thousand dollars.
Speaker 3: Or get a soldier agree to kill harm reserves?
Speaker 2: Yes, well exactly. I was in the Army of Reserves
Speaker 2: for eight years back between eighty six and ninety two
Speaker 2: as a combat engineer, So you know, I'm really familiar
Speaker 2: with things like C four and landmines and such. And
Speaker 2: when you think about and that's really old technology. You know,
Speaker 2: we're going back almost forty years now. When you think
Speaker 2: of modern land mines, modern explosives that may be much
Speaker 2: more powerful than C four that I don't know about.
Speaker 2: When you look at the size of one of these robots,
Speaker 2: you could pack a substantial amount of C four or
Speaker 2: other military grade explosive on one of these things and
Speaker 2: just literally have it walk into a truck or a tank.
Speaker 2: You know. Now, these don't go that fast at this point.
Speaker 2: Their maximum speed is nine miles an hour. But what
Speaker 2: human being can run nine miles an hour for any
Speaker 2: extended period of time many, you know, so it's it's
Speaker 2: pretty crazy when you think that. You know, in the
Speaker 2: old days, you go back and think about World War
Speaker 2: two or something like that, you have a machine gun nest, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: and you know you've got to fight the guys and
Speaker 2: try to take them out, hand grenades, you know, obviously
Speaker 2: a variety of different weapons. But here you could just
Speaker 2: have one of these things walk right into it, and
Speaker 2: depending on how heavily armored it is and how good
Speaker 2: of a shot you are, I mean, obviously, if you
Speaker 2: hit this with enough rounds, it's probably not going to survive.
Speaker 2: But this is the first generation of this stuff. You know,
Speaker 2: it does not look heavily armored, and obviously that would
Speaker 2: weigh it down and make it you waste more battery
Speaker 2: life because according to this article, these things only run
Speaker 2: about five hours. But it just it shows you the
Speaker 2: potential future of these sorts of weapons and warn No,
Speaker 2: I know there's other articles out there about the Army
Speaker 2: testing robot tanks. And you know, you've got drones. I
Speaker 2: think drones obviously in my mind are a type of robot.
Speaker 1: They've got drone boats tom Cozi's that blow up ships
Speaker 1: in the shipping line over in the Middle East.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's And I saw another article which I didn't
Speaker 2: send you this morning apparently and again you know, I
Speaker 2: always like to try to fact check this stuff as
Speaker 2: much as I can, but apparently the Ukrainians have used
Speaker 2: some sort of drone with a flamethrower on it. Now.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: If you can imagine it, it's real. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: where we are. If you can just imagine it, it
Speaker 1: probably is a reality out there somewhere behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: just coming to a theater near you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even if it's not in public, Yes, it's probably
Speaker 2: in a lab somewhere. There's a greed.
Speaker 1: You know, it's real quick here because you get right.
Speaker 1: I watched the drone display the EBN fireworks, thousand drones
Speaker 1: flying in synchronicity, And the thing that struck me is like,
Speaker 1: holy crap, this is a I could write a check
Speaker 1: and pay for that myself. Like, if I had enough money,
Speaker 1: I could hire the company. If it's a private company
Speaker 1: that does this. Right, absolutely, they have the technology to
Speaker 1: perform that kind of intricate ballet in the sky with
Speaker 1: a thousand different drones. Can you imagine what the military
Speaker 1: tick can do. It's just frightening stuff.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 1: Right, we'll come back. We'll talk about employment scams as
Speaker 1: well as Apple and why are they promoting Chinese communist parties?
Speaker 1: Spyware apps six forty two, Fify Doctor City talkstation. You
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Speaker 1: way you want to go? You want to go Chinese
Speaker 1: Communist party or employment scams?
Speaker 2: Why don't we do employment scams next?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: I think this is such an important topic and if
Speaker 2: you just go do a quick search on this, right,
Speaker 2: So I hit duck dot go. I did a quick
Speaker 2: search on job scams, and I mean they're just pages
Speaker 2: and pages of information. Let me give you a couple
Speaker 2: of headlines here, and then we'll delve into some specifics.
Speaker 2: The FTC says how to spot the latest job scams.
Speaker 2: The FBI has reported on this the Better Business Bureau
Speaker 2: Job Scam Alert, how to spot a job scam. Indeed,
Speaker 2: a job hosting site right says ten signs of job posting,
Speaker 2: maybe a scam. NBC says job scam searched one hundred
Speaker 2: and eighteen percent, and twenty twenty three aided by ai
Speaker 2: In has a similar headline. And then Money Magazine common
Speaker 2: job scams and how to avoid them. That's just just
Speaker 2: me scanning what I found on a simple search, Okay,
Speaker 2: And I bring this up because I think this is
Speaker 2: not news to anyone listening. The job market is not good.
Speaker 2: It's getting worse rapidly from everything I've read, and I
Speaker 2: know many people who are looking for jobs and struggling
Speaker 2: mightily at this time. So I wanted to raise this
Speaker 2: point because I know people are looking for jobs, and
Speaker 2: I know the market is tough, and scammers, unfortunately, as
Speaker 2: we've discussed so many times, Brian will go wherever people are.
Speaker 2: These people are creative and devious, and they will steal
Speaker 2: your information and or your money any possible way. So
Speaker 2: I want to warn people while obviously keep looking for
Speaker 2: a job. I just think it's so despicable that there
Speaker 2: are scammers out there who would want to hit someone
Speaker 2: when they're already down. I mean, how would you feel
Speaker 2: and what impact would that have on you and your
Speaker 2: family if you're already in financial trouble because you can't
Speaker 2: find a job and now you have people stealing your
Speaker 2: money and stealing your information and perhaps your identity as
Speaker 2: a result. I mean, it's just absolutely despicable. So you know,
Speaker 2: whether it's something like search engine poisoning, We've talked about
Speaker 2: this before. People need to understand that the bad guys
Speaker 2: will spend some moderate amount of money, some nominal amount
Speaker 2: of money to go post a job on Indeed or
Speaker 2: Monster or Dice or any job board they'll buy. They'll
Speaker 2: use search engine optimization techniques and buy sponsored ads. So
Speaker 2: when you search for something, what shows up on a
Speaker 2: search engine like Google or Being or a start page
Speaker 2: or Duck DUCKG or whatever is fake. Because they know
Speaker 2: the average person doesn't know search engine poisoning is a thing, right,
Speaker 2: They think that because things show up in a search engine,
Speaker 2: they must be legit ye, or they show up on
Speaker 2: a job board, they must be legit, and it's critical
Speaker 2: to understand it. Just because something shows up in a search,
Speaker 2: or just because a job is posted to a legitimate
Speaker 2: job site doesn't mean there isn't a scammer behind it. Right,
Speaker 2: everything is easy to spoof. These people are smart. They
Speaker 2: know that average folks don't understand how these things work.
Speaker 2: So you know real quick, because I know what are
Speaker 2: out of time, I encourage people, and I'll post this
Speaker 2: in my notes on Twitter and LinkedIn and so forth.
Speaker 2: If you just look at the the ND ten signs
Speaker 2: of job posting maybe fake or the FTC's guidance, there's
Speaker 2: some great tips there that help you kind of wrap
Speaker 2: your head around what to look out for. The number
Speaker 2: one obviously being if it's too good to be true,
Speaker 2: it probably is. Yeah. Hey, if you suddenly get an
Speaker 2: unsolicited email from a quote recruiter or headhunter unquote and
Speaker 2: they want to offer you a three hundred thousand dollars
Speaker 2: a year remote job working four hours a day, hey
Speaker 2: guess what?
Speaker 1: Probably scam I'm going to go with. Definitely a scam.
Speaker 1: Not a week goes by, I don't get an opportunity
Speaker 1: to represent someone. Are you interested in doing some legal work?
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god, you know a delete, just delete delete, delete,
Speaker 1: delete delete.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, healthy death, skepticism and paranoia goes a
Speaker 2: long long way in this stuff. And you know, if
Speaker 2: they want you to pay upfront for training, product or
Speaker 2: something and then you're going to reimburse you, almost a
Speaker 2: guaranteed scam. You know, if the recruiter quote unquote wants
Speaker 2: you to pay upfront, you know, I want to remind people,
Speaker 2: almost all legitimate recruiters get paid by the employer who
Speaker 2: wants to hire you when you're placed, and they have
Speaker 2: an incentive to help you get the largest salary possible
Speaker 2: because they're getting paid a percentage of your starting salary.
Speaker 2: So again, the FTC has a bunch of tips, The
Speaker 2: Federal Trade Commission FBI has information that's indeed paid with
Speaker 2: the ten tips. And I'll wink all this stuff. So
Speaker 2: you know, if you are someone you know as looking
Speaker 2: for a job, your kids, your grandkids, your family, there
Speaker 2: are plenty of resources out there that will help arm
Speaker 2: them so that they can make smart decisions, because again,
Speaker 2: looking for jobs online, that's the way this stuff works. Now.
Speaker 1: Obviously, good Land mind, land mind literally everywhere.
Speaker 2: Everywhere, everywhere, all right, But beware, folks.
Speaker 1: Beware Chinese Communist Party being helped out by Apple.
Speaker 3: Apparently. We'll talk about that next with Dave Hatter six two.
Speaker 1: If you have carc Detalk station, Dave Hatter's gonna tell
Speaker 1: us about the Chinese spyware app being promoted by Apple.
Speaker 1: What's the story on this one? I thought Apple was
Speaker 1: supposed to be one of the good guys out there, Dave.
Speaker 2: Well, Apple generally is much more privacy and security friendly
Speaker 2: than their competitors. And I'd just like to remind folks,
Speaker 2: you know, all these big tech companies have their issues,
Speaker 2: but when you look at Apple and Microsoft versus folks
Speaker 2: like Google, Facebook, et cetera, their whole business model really
Speaker 2: is different. Apple and Microsoft both sell you products, you know,
Speaker 2: Apple both hardware and software, Microsoft mostly software. And ye,
Speaker 2: folks can argue with me. Yeah, Google makes Pixel phones,
Speaker 2: the Android operating system, so they do have some products.
Speaker 2: Most of the money coming from Google is from your data,
Speaker 2: same as meta slash Facebook. Right. Yeah, So I think
Speaker 2: this is an interesting take and I'm glad someone is
Speaker 2: raising the concern about this. It gets back to these
Speaker 2: Chinese apps. You and I have talked about before, namely
Speaker 2: TikTok for a long time and the privacy concerns and
Speaker 2: propaganda concerns around TikTok. But this guy is an attorney.
Speaker 2: It's article is written by Joel Thayer, and it's in
Speaker 2: the Hill Again. I'll post the link. I encourage people
Speaker 2: to go read it for themselves. This guy apparently is
Speaker 2: the president of the Digital Progress Institute institute and a
Speaker 2: tech and telecom lawyer in DC, and he makes some
Speaker 2: interesting points, really going back to the fact that at
Speaker 2: the end of the day, if a company is based
Speaker 2: out of China, it's controlled by the People's Republic of
Speaker 2: China and the Chinese Communist Party, who have some very
Speaker 2: onerous laws in general and specifically around data collection and privacy.
Speaker 2: And he states in here. So I'm going to read
Speaker 2: directly from the article. For instance, China's twenty fifteen National
Speaker 2: Security Law compels locally employed Chinese nationals of American companies
Speaker 2: to assist investigations that may expose operating elements of American
Speaker 2: companies with citizens. China's twenty twenty one cyber Vulnerability Reporting
Speaker 2: Law requires Chinese based companies to report security flaws to
Speaker 2: the Chinese government so they can quote exploit system flaws
Speaker 2: before cyber vulnerabilities are publicly known unquote. And then you know,
Speaker 2: he goes on with some other laws. You know, twenty
Speaker 2: seventeen National Intelligence Law creates a legal obligation for those
Speaker 2: entities to turn over data collected abroad and domestically to
Speaker 2: the Chinese government, So that twenty twenty one cyber Vulnerability
Speaker 2: Reporting Law basically in Layman's term, says, if you, as
Speaker 2: a Chinese national, become aware of a vulnerability and software,
Speaker 2: you are required to report it to the Chinese government
Speaker 2: so they can exploit it before this would be a
Speaker 2: zero day exploit, before it can be fixed by the manufacturer.
Speaker 2: That's essentially what that means. So his point, so his
Speaker 2: point here is you have an app store, and this
Speaker 2: is not exclusive to Apple. I think he put his
Speaker 2: sites on Apple primarily because they are seen as more
Speaker 2: privacy and security friendly. So when you look at it
Speaker 2: through that lens, this is you know, even more problematic
Speaker 2: than you know something like the Android store. But this
Speaker 2: would have the same problems, right if the app originates
Speaker 2: from a company controlled by a Chinese company or directly
Speaker 2: from China, you can guarantee any and all data it collects.
Speaker 2: And let me remind folks, go look at the Apple
Speaker 2: app Store privacy label for TikTok or any app that
Speaker 2: Tamu right has recently come in the crosshairs. It's a
Speaker 2: Chinese shopping app similar to Amazon right and for a
Speaker 2: lot of these same problems. Look at the privacy label
Speaker 2: which is required by Apple to be in their store
Speaker 2: and see what it collects. It's astounding, and most of
Speaker 2: it is stuff they don't need to provide the service
Speaker 2: they claim to provide. So, you know, he points out
Speaker 2: in more detail later in here, you know some of
Speaker 2: the issues with specific types of apps. But the bottom
Speaker 2: line is if you're using an app that's controlled by
Speaker 2: a Chinese company, they are collecting enormous amounts of data
Speaker 2: about you and potentially using it as a propaganda tool
Speaker 2: to push pro prc CCP narratives and to push anti American,
Speaker 2: anti Western narratives, propaganda, spyware, et cetera. So again, this
Speaker 2: is a theme that keeps coming up, right, and there
Speaker 2: are many people who have now warned about this. It's
Speaker 2: why we've seen the push for the TikTok ban there
Speaker 2: are now people calling for bands on things like Tamu. Again,
Speaker 2: I encourage people. There was a great article recently, I
Speaker 2: can't remember the exact headline with something like Tamu is
Speaker 2: a spyware app in your pocket and you know it
Speaker 2: goes into detail around this Again, I'll wink all this
Speaker 2: stuff so people can get more information, share with their
Speaker 2: family members who might be using these things. I understand
Speaker 2: the convenience. I understand that it's nice to get cheap
Speaker 2: goods that will fall apart the first time you use them.
Speaker 2: But you got to understand the larger psio ops, black ops,
Speaker 2: propaganda aspects of these things. And even if that isn't
Speaker 2: a concern to you, where you don't believe it, all
Speaker 2: of your extremely sensitive data going to Chinese companies who
Speaker 2: are controlled by the CCP and the PRC, who are
Speaker 2: increasingly adversarial to all Western countries. Just look at what's
Speaker 2: been going on in the Philippines recently with them ramming
Speaker 2: Coast Guard and Philippine Coast Guard chips and so forth.
Speaker 2: It's not good. There's nothing good that can come of
Speaker 2: this for you using these apps.
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Speaker 1: have a wonderful weekend, my friend. We'll talk next Friday.
Speaker 2: Always my pleasure. Brian, have a great day and I'll
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