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<v Speaker 1>Hudson River Radio dot Com.

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<v Speaker 2>And now back to v H one salute to singers

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<v Speaker 2>from the nineties today's installment why they all needed to

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<v Speaker 2>turn every vowel into the letter A.

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<v Speaker 3>It used to be.

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<v Speaker 4>That you love May, but now it's nineteen nineteen.

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<v Speaker 5>Hi, and I half to say it, are you free?

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<v Speaker 6>The letter head earlier?

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<v Speaker 7>Aleta, thank you.

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<v Speaker 6>This is John Fulbright.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi, This is jar Williams.

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<v Speaker 6>This is Mitch Margle of the Tokens.

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<v Speaker 4>Hi.

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<v Speaker 6>This is Gary us Bonds. Matt here on the Rock

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<v Speaker 6>and Roll History Show. Hey, everybody, welcome back to the

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<v Speaker 6>Rock and Roll History Show and Hudson River Radio. I'm

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<v Speaker 6>Brian Horowitz. Tonight we're gonna be talking about musicians who

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<v Speaker 6>were successful and then changed careers, either by choice or

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<v Speaker 6>maybe not so much. We'll find out. But before we

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<v Speaker 6>hop in, as always, allow me to introduce all of

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<v Speaker 6>the cranbones who are joining us here tonight. First and foremost,

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<v Speaker 6>from the Richter Observatory, he figured out that the longest

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<v Speaker 6>drum solo ever was twelve hours, played by the kids

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<v Speaker 6>sitting behind him on his last flight to England. Neil

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<v Speaker 6>Richter is here.

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<v Speaker 7>Hey, everybody, should I say?

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<v Speaker 6>And the host of Paranormally Yours. She only sings in

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<v Speaker 6>the car when it's going in reverse. She's a backup singer.

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<v Speaker 6>Gl Nuklem is here.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh hell, I mean hello.

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<v Speaker 6>And from the silver screen she saw a vegan, a

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<v Speaker 6>yoga student, and an atheist walk into a bar. She

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<v Speaker 6>only knew because they told everybody within the first two minutes.

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<v Speaker 6>And it's Mercedes Kent is here.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh my gosh, so true.

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<v Speaker 6>Hey, hey, everybody, and joining us from his upstairs bathroom.

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<v Speaker 6>He is ready to accept an airplane from any country

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<v Speaker 6>willing to give him one. He'll also take a boat,

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<v Speaker 6>a jet ski or an ATV, but no East scooters

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<v Speaker 6>because those are ridiculous. John Kelly's back with us.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, John, Hey, Brian, Hey, everybody, good to be here,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'll gladly accept that plane as long as somebody

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<v Speaker 2>else pays for the games.

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<v Speaker 7>There you go.

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<v Speaker 6>And last, but not least, the host of Shaving Cream,

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<v Speaker 6>she decided to download the Titanic movie. It's sinking right now,

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<v Speaker 6>Barbara vielle Is.

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<v Speaker 8>That just sums up everything, right pretty much.

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<v Speaker 6>Everybody's having a rough weekend, which you know, but we're

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<v Speaker 6>here to have a good weekend, all right. It was

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<v Speaker 6>the following week. Yeah, I hear you, but what can

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<v Speaker 6>we do. We're just gonna make the most of it tonight.

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<v Speaker 6>We're gonna have a good time. But I thought before

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<v Speaker 6>we been recently we talked about if you remember, monitoring

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<v Speaker 6>systems and like what the performers here on stage versus

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<v Speaker 6>what the audience heres? And Guns and Roses click tracks,

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<v Speaker 6>we talked about the click tracks and all that. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 6>Guns and Roses had a little thing that kind of

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<v Speaker 6>made the rounds. It's been a bad month for drummers

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<v Speaker 6>because Zach Starkey is back out. We're a little behind

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<v Speaker 6>the times on this.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So Guns and Roses has a new drummer, Isaac Carpenter,

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<v Speaker 6>and they were doing a show in Japan and he

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<v Speaker 6>started playing the wrong song. So Axel Rose is trying

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<v Speaker 6>to correct him. So it's a great example of he's

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<v Speaker 6>talking into his mic and everybody on stage can hear,

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<v Speaker 6>but the audience can't and all. So let me play

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<v Speaker 6>a clip of what happened in Guns and Roses a

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<v Speaker 6>couple of weeks ago.

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<v Speaker 9>No bad obsession, Bad obsessions?

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<v Speaker 6>Can Isaac not hear me? Somebody answer me.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't.

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<v Speaker 9>I can barely hear whoever's talking, all right.

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<v Speaker 10>My check for dub, my check for.

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<v Speaker 7>H.

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<v Speaker 6>So now they're all back on the right track. But

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<v Speaker 6>I thought that was a great example of the kind

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<v Speaker 6>of stuff we were talking about with oops.

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<v Speaker 8>Wow talking about marching to the beat of a different drummer.

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<v Speaker 6>H yeah, but that was That's the point is that

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<v Speaker 6>it wasn't a hot mic that you know, you got

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<v Speaker 6>your monitor engineer controlling what everybody's hearing on stage in

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<v Speaker 6>front of house shuts off axls mic, so you didn't

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<v Speaker 6>hear that wrong song whole thing going.

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<v Speaker 4>On there, and that person did their job.

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<v Speaker 6>And they did their job.

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<v Speaker 7>Yep.

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<v Speaker 6>I don't know who let that clip out, but that's awesome. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, stuff happens. Even when you've been playing for

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<v Speaker 6>forty something years, you're still gonna have mistakes up there

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<v Speaker 6>and all that. So I thought that would be something

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<v Speaker 6>entertaining to share with all y'all. So let us hop

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<v Speaker 6>it hop in tonight to our career change topic. Barbara,

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<v Speaker 6>you are going to lead us out tonight.

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<v Speaker 8>Okay, So for musicians who changed careers. My song choice

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<v Speaker 8>for this topic, I'm gonna mention it in just a bit.

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<v Speaker 8>It's by a musician fred Neil born Frederick Ralph Morlock

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<v Speaker 8>Junior on March sixteenth, nineteen thirty six, in Cleveland, Ohio.

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<v Speaker 8>His family moved to Saint Petersburg, Florida in nineteen forty two,

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<v Speaker 8>where he started to sing while attending first grade, later

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<v Speaker 8>learning guitar in sixth grade. He served two years in

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<v Speaker 8>the Navy and was discharged in nineteen fifty five. He

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<v Speaker 8>married and divorced several times. And I loved reading all

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<v Speaker 8>these names of all these super women he was married to,

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<v Speaker 8>but most notably at least to me, because I recognized

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<v Speaker 8>the name. His second wife was Elaine Berman, who later

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<v Speaker 8>married Tony Orlando. Fred Neil composed and recorded my song

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<v Speaker 8>choice Everybody's Talking in nineteen sixty six, and I can't

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<v Speaker 8>say the title of that song without my New York

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<v Speaker 8>accent coming out, so I apologize for that. So it

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<v Speaker 8>was recorded in sixty six, but it actually wasn't released

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<v Speaker 8>until nineteen sixty eight on his self titled album, and

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<v Speaker 8>the song became a hit when it was covered by

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<v Speaker 8>singer Harry Nilson in nineteen sixty nine. It reached number

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<v Speaker 8>six on the Billboard Hot one hundred and won a

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<v Speaker 8>Grammy after being featured in the film Midnight Cowboy.

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<v Speaker 1>So before we.

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<v Speaker 8>Continue, let's listen to the original Fred Neil recording.

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<v Speaker 5>Everybody is talking head me. I don't hear what they're saying,

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<v Speaker 5>only the ecless. Oh my mind. People stop in steering,

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<v Speaker 5>I can't see the paces. Holdly the shadow. Who's out there?

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going with the sun, you shine in through the

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<v Speaker 5>poor it ring.

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<v Speaker 4>Go in?

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<v Speaker 5>Were the weather suits my clueses banking off of the northeast.

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<v Speaker 5>When you see down on the.

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<v Speaker 7>Summer breed.

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<v Speaker 11>Snipping over the old shine like stone.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm going in where the sun keeps shining air through

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<v Speaker 5>the boy and ring, go in where the weather shoots

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<v Speaker 5>my cloes baking after the northeast, when say, laying on

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<v Speaker 5>a solar breed skipping over the ocean like stone. Ye,

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<v Speaker 5>everybody else talking at me, can't hear what the same

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<v Speaker 5>old many headles on my mind. I'll let my love her.

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<v Speaker 12>Do.

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<v Speaker 6>I let you my love.

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<v Speaker 9>I will let you.

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<v Speaker 13>My love her.

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<v Speaker 12>So.

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<v Speaker 8>Fred Neil had been interested in dolphins since the mid

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<v Speaker 8>nineteen sixties after visiting the Miami Seaquarium. He had moved

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<v Speaker 8>to Woodstock in nineteen sixty nine, but left there in

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<v Speaker 8>the mid nineteen seventies. After co founding the Dolphin Research

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<v Speaker 8>Project in nineteen seventy, dedicated to stopping the worldwide capture, trafficking,

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<v Speaker 8>and exploitation of dolphins, he had increasingly spent more time

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<v Speaker 8>on the Dolphin Project and gradually disappeared from recording altogether,

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<v Speaker 8>and many of his early nineteen seventies recordings remained unissued

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<v Speaker 8>and unreleased. In June nineteen eighty seven, he was involved

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<v Speaker 8>in a car accident that took the life of his girlfriend,

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<v Speaker 8>and he passed away on July seventh, two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 8>from cancer. And the reason I chose this particular artist

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<v Speaker 8>is because while researching all the various musicians, I found

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<v Speaker 8>this website that had all these musicians that changed careers

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<v Speaker 8>and what they changed to and I found this one

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<v Speaker 8>to be like the most intriguing. I thought this was

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<v Speaker 8>really really cool. And the other thing, yeah, the other

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<v Speaker 8>thing that really really caught my eye that just I

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<v Speaker 8>guess a nerd like me would notice this that his

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<v Speaker 8>given name Frederick Ralph Morlock, the last name Morlocke. That

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<v Speaker 8>was the name of the creatures in HG. Well's Time Machine.

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<v Speaker 8>They were called the Morlocks. If you remember they had

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<v Speaker 8>no that was his born name. He changed it to

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<v Speaker 8>Fred Neil, So I kind of liked the fact that

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<v Speaker 8>he picked Neil, but I would have kept Morlock. I

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<v Speaker 8>would have changed my name in Neil.

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<v Speaker 4>Or make it a hyphenated last name Neil dash Morlock.

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<v Speaker 6>No, just make your first name more in your last

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<v Speaker 6>name Locke.

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<v Speaker 4>Hey, whatever works.

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<v Speaker 8>So that was like two things that just like pulled

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<v Speaker 8>me in. Was the moral lock thing and the dolphin thing. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 8>well that just sucked me right, And that was it.

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<v Speaker 6>Dolphins and the traffic and well I started thinking ace

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<v Speaker 6>Ventura and then you said he died from cancer, and

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<v Speaker 6>I'm like, well, then I can't drop that line right after.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, well that's that's it.

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<v Speaker 4>So like that, that's a.

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<v Speaker 6>Pretty drastic career change. That's certainly I would say it's

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<v Speaker 6>a pretty drastic career.

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<v Speaker 14>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I like the song. It was a nice dreamy cop. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>well obviously we've heard it performance.

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it was very soothing. I really did like it.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, all right, good lead off, Thank you, Barbara, Gail,

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<v Speaker 6>you're up.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you. And apparently I am not up on current

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<v Speaker 4>events in certain ways because I found out I messed

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<v Speaker 4>up with my choice. Uh, oh yeah, yeah. As a

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<v Speaker 4>kid in like middle school, I adored Kat Stephen. I

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<v Speaker 4>still love his music. I thought he left the industry completely,

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<v Speaker 4>but apparently his son a few years ago talked him

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<v Speaker 4>back into coming back into secular music. He had a

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<v Speaker 4>religious conversion at one point, and it's amazing because Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>his father was Greek Orthodox, his mother was Baptist. He

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<v Speaker 4>was born and raised in London. They sent him to

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<v Speaker 4>Catholic school. Earlier in his career, he was into Zen Buddhism.

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<v Speaker 4>Handed up having a major, major spiritual overhaul at one

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<v Speaker 4>point later in his life, in nineteen seventy seven, he

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<v Speaker 4>converted to Islam and that's when he leave up doing

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<v Speaker 4>secular music for several years. There is so much, so

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<v Speaker 4>many facts about Kat Stephens. He was born Stephen Dimitri Giorgio.

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<v Speaker 4>He went right after his conversion, he went by Yusuf

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<v Speaker 4>Islam and now he just goes by Yusuf. He's a

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<v Speaker 4>British singer, songwriter and musician. In his whole career, he

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<v Speaker 4>has sold more than one hundred million records and has

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<v Speaker 4>more than two billion streams. His music varies from folk, pop, rock,

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<v Speaker 4>and later in his career to Islamic music now it

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<v Speaker 4>was for twenty years he did only music which met

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<v Speaker 4>strict religious standards, meaning as now, I don't know a

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<v Speaker 4>lot about Islam, but there are some Muslims that say

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<v Speaker 4>music at all is harahm, it's forbidden. So I learned

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<v Speaker 4>something I didn't even know there was any music considered

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<v Speaker 4>acceptable or hellal in Islam. So the song I Chose

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<v Speaker 4>is something I've always loved. It wasn't released as a single.

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<v Speaker 4>It was from his album Catch Bull at Four and

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<v Speaker 4>it was released on the twenty seventh of September in

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<v Speaker 4>nineteen seventy two. He recorded it in May nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 4>two in various different places Studio The Manor Studio in Oxfordshire,

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<v Speaker 4>Chateau de Ruvi in Eruvilla, France, Morgan Studios in London.

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<v Speaker 4>The whole album is almost forty minutes long, and the

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<v Speaker 4>song that I chose because I love love, love love

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<v Speaker 4>love it is called Angel. See let's have.

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<v Speaker 7>A listen.

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<v Speaker 14>See slang the Angel and sell them Eve and stuff,

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<v Speaker 14>cancel the windows upfer you Ne's out of offer you

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<v Speaker 14>Nehver's a house that crystal little little meding your soul

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<v Speaker 14>so patiently avoiding before y'all used to be whole boy,

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<v Speaker 14>y'all he used to the hole, the sheer.

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<v Speaker 13>Wrists up the water Belave dimondlong the shore and discermritism,

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<v Speaker 13>who watch the motion, the cellar door, the breath be wall,

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<v Speaker 13>the fire, dear man, the part bisiness to magicians, after Dancer,

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<v Speaker 13>the lot and the Dancer.

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<v Speaker 3>To the park side.

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<v Speaker 14>Her clothes are maid of rainbows and twenty thousand kids

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<v Speaker 14>shine through the spaces off fur gold dun ogre.

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<v Speaker 6>Here it's our fur gold ogre head.

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<v Speaker 14>Oooh my baby, I want you and on my line

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<v Speaker 14>fasse awhere fine come jumps will follow you forever.

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<v Speaker 9>If your muny everywhere, if yous me everywhere, He who

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<v Speaker 9>like the NATO and stands in its suck.

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<v Speaker 14>Down through the windows of rivers of the Doctor, rivers

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<v Speaker 14>of ac nivers.

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<v Speaker 4>That song never fails to make me feel just joyous

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<v Speaker 4>and happy and all is right with the world. I

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<v Speaker 4>just love that. Rumor had it that he partly wrote

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<v Speaker 4>it about the c s Ea the Ocean, and rumor

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<v Speaker 4>had it that he also wrote it about Carly Simon,

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<v Speaker 4>who he was in a relationship with for seven months.

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<v Speaker 4>I think in the seventies. Now, I asked my colleagues

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<v Speaker 4>here to listen to the song and see if they

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<v Speaker 4>could figure out what the background singers are singing. Do

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<v Speaker 4>any of you have any idea?

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<v Speaker 6>It says, who's going to sign for this? Ups sign

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<v Speaker 6>for this?

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<v Speaker 7>I like that.

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<v Speaker 4>Actually, we'd like.

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<v Speaker 8>To talk to you about your car's extended warranty.

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<v Speaker 5>Here you go.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, it's a bit of a trick question, actually, because

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<v Speaker 4>on December eighth, twenty twenty two, he was interviewed about

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<v Speaker 4>that very question, and he said, they are made up words.

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<v Speaker 4>I wanted to sound like an Armenian chorus. Boom dala saqua,

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<v Speaker 4>boom dalles qua.

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<v Speaker 8>Where did he get Armenian chorus from?

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<v Speaker 6>Who knows?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's like so was specific.

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<v Speaker 6>Then again, who's gonna say that doesn't sound Armenian.

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<v Speaker 4>An Armenian person, right?

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe? Yeah, odds in your favor, you're gonna get away

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<v Speaker 6>with it.

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<v Speaker 1>But the Armenian person would have to actually think it's Armenian.

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<v Speaker 7>Right, right?

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<v Speaker 4>And I don't offhand know anybody who's like first generation Armenian.

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<v Speaker 4>So anyway, the album Catch Bullet four, which was actually

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<v Speaker 4>his sixth studio album, was well His album was well

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<v Speaker 4>received both commercially and critically. Rolling Stone was happy with

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<v Speaker 4>the gorgeous melody and orchestration, while simultaneously disappointed by the

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<v Speaker 4>lack of a single track comparable to Morning Has Broken

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<v Speaker 4>from Cheezer and the Fire Cat. But I think it's

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<v Speaker 4>a beautiful, gorgeous song and it just makes me very

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<v Speaker 4>very happy.

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<v Speaker 6>I can see what.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's kind of like a kind of kind of

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<v Speaker 2>a feel good, kind of a lift, uplifting, you know

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<v Speaker 2>it is.

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<v Speaker 6>It's very joyous.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it.

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<v Speaker 6>Excellent, all right, thank you, Gail.

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<v Speaker 4>That's my that's my somewhat erroneous choice.

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<v Speaker 6>No, I think it counts. I think it's twenty year

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<v Speaker 6>pause and then coming back. I think I think you're

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<v Speaker 6>okay good. Yeah, all right, We're gonna take a real

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<v Speaker 6>quick break and we'll be back with more right after this.

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<v Speaker 6>Hudson River Radio, Your dog likes us.

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<v Speaker 1>This concludes the first part of this cassette. Please turn

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<v Speaker 1>the cassette over and begin again on side too. This

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<v Speaker 1>is Hudson River Radio dot Com.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah Ry.

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<v Speaker 6>And welcome back. We are going to hop right back

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<v Speaker 6>into career changes with John. What do you have for us? John.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, tonight I selected a song from a British band

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<v Speaker 2>which is still out there today. This one comes from

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety three and the song is called Things Can

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<v Speaker 2>Only Get Better. It was a Northern Irish well, it

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<v Speaker 2>is a Northern Irish band called d rem As in

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<v Speaker 2>d Semi colon r e a m or dream. It's

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<v Speaker 2>what's interesting about the song is I need to say

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<v Speaker 2>this right from the get go. I can't stand it, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>So I just need to let everybody in radio land know.

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<v Speaker 2>But this is not about the song, okay, but I

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<v Speaker 2>do want to play the song because of the theme

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<v Speaker 2>of tonight's show, So keep that in mind, please, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks and feel free everybody out there in radio land

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<v Speaker 2>and my colleagues here at Hudson River Radio to tell

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<v Speaker 2>me if you love it, you hate it, bash it,

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<v Speaker 2>praise it, whatever, I'm you know, whatever, bring it on.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, it actually became, according to what I found

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<v Speaker 2>here on the BBC of all things, a defining British

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<v Speaker 2>political anthem. And it was a bit of a sleeper hit.

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<v Speaker 2>It did reach the top of the charts in the

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<v Speaker 2>UK and it got pretty high on the charts in

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<v Speaker 2>the US. For a short period of time too.

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<v Speaker 6>Believe it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>However, it's just I just it's it's not one of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorites. If you were British in the early nineties,

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<v Speaker 2>you loved it. But I'm not British, not Northern Irish.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just a guy from New Jersey who doesn't like

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<v Speaker 2>the song. So, Brian, why don't we play it? And then?

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<v Speaker 2>But before you play it again, what I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to do when you listen to the song, see if

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<v Speaker 2>you can pick up the keyboards and we'll leave it

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<v Speaker 2>at that.

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<v Speaker 9>Brian, you can my path, you can wear Mauss shoes.

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<v Speaker 13>Then you too.

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<v Speaker 6>But maybe.

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<v Speaker 5>You ain't never gonna feel this way.

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<v Speaker 13>You ain't never gonna know me.

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<v Speaker 7>But I know you.

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<v Speaker 6>Singing there that bad a can only get better?

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<v Speaker 10>No, only get that.

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<v Speaker 9>You'll be see you, damns me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna do to tease me.

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<v Speaker 3>Not to day.

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<v Speaker 8>Can only get better, nonly get No, only get they.

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<v Speaker 13>Get on a minion.

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<v Speaker 10>No, I know that, Dad's no, they get better. Sometimes

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<v Speaker 10>lose myself, I lose time.

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<v Speaker 4>And I can't see the.

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<v Speaker 10>Jez she said on the lad.

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<v Speaker 1>But brid just as you go to too Fa, I

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<v Speaker 1>got the person to.

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<v Speaker 15>Word and then you sit walk my friend with my shoes,

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<v Speaker 15>talk like that.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm big into the thing, cannot play.

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<v Speaker 12>Can you?

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<v Speaker 3>So I cannot get.

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<v Speaker 13>I cannot make get.

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<v Speaker 3>You anything.

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<v Speaker 6>Show me bred you do this and agree, and.

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<v Speaker 10>You've shown me.

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<v Speaker 13>I'm just nothing to do this.

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<v Speaker 9>See I look at things now, you die.

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<v Speaker 3>For the one.

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<v Speaker 5>Everything.

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse me? Fuck your man when you.

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<v Speaker 6>See you do like that cop and into everything.

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<v Speaker 1>You cannot lead. You cannot.

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<v Speaker 3>The way that I cannot. I cannot help me get

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<v Speaker 3>you can.

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<v Speaker 6>It's you a little lighter up there, you know?

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<v Speaker 2>No, okay, I things can only get better by d

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<v Speaker 2>dream whatever you want to call it. So my take

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<v Speaker 2>on the song is I was telling my colleagues here

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<v Speaker 2>while I was playing, it's kind of like one of

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<v Speaker 2>those coming of age late eighties movies and the song

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<v Speaker 2>you hear when the credits are rolling, and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>it's not that they can't sing, they can't play, it's just,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, it's kind of a tired theme.

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<v Speaker 6>But the kind of song where you're getting up and

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<v Speaker 6>walking out of the room like at the end of

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<v Speaker 6>the movie. Yeah that you're saying.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly, Can I just say that John hates this song.

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<v Speaker 4>I've heard worse.

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<v Speaker 7>Now, but you're right.

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<v Speaker 12>I mean it sounds to me like so eighties and

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<v Speaker 12>it was like so done, yeah, yeah, nineteen ninety three.

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<v Speaker 1>You know what, YB hashett I regurgitate it.

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<v Speaker 4>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>One of the homework assignments I gave everybody out there

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<v Speaker 2>on radio land was to just kind of make no

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<v Speaker 2>of the keyboards, because the keyboards. The keyboardists for this

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<v Speaker 2>particular band was also the keyboardist for a band called Dare.

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<v Speaker 2>His name is Brian Cox, known today in twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five as Professor Brian Cox. Mister Cox was studying physics

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<v Speaker 2>towards the end of his time with the band, and

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<v Speaker 2>he decided to leave to get his PhD in particle

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<v Speaker 2>physics as one does, yes, and to study at the

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<v Speaker 2>CERN super Collider as well. And he so he went

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<v Speaker 2>from keyboarding for these late eighties and nineties kind of

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<v Speaker 2>British pop bands going on to a career in physics.

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<v Speaker 2>He currently is a what is it, He's a professor

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<v Speaker 2>at the University of Manchester and he also he's become

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<v Speaker 2>a bit of a guy who kind of makes science

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<v Speaker 2>easy to understand and if you google his name, Professor

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<v Speaker 2>Brian Cox, not the actor. You can see all kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of videos and he talks about planets and he talks

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<v Speaker 2>about the speed of light and traveling, and it's just

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<v Speaker 2>he's utterly fascinating in his delivery.

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<v Speaker 6>He also looks.

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<v Speaker 2>It's really funny because he looks like a British rocker.

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<v Speaker 4>He does.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's got the long hair and those British features.

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<v Speaker 2>That just he looks like a British rocker. But he's

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<v Speaker 2>known for books like why does E equals MC squared?

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<v Speaker 2>The quantum Universe and things like that. He also his dissertation.

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know if anybody out there would like

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<v Speaker 2>to read his dissertation. It's something that I'm sure it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be something you're going to enjoy for some

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<v Speaker 2>light reading. It was double it was oh gosh, it

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<v Speaker 2>was double diffraction disassociation at large momentum transfer.

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<v Speaker 4>No, thank you.

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<v Speaker 8>So he went such a monkey right now?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'll wait for the cliff notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, And it's one hundred and twenty one pages long.

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<v Speaker 2>I actually went through it. No, I didn't read it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I did go through it.

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<v Speaker 4>Maybe they'll make a movie of it.

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<v Speaker 6>Maybe I play the song over the closing credit. But

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<v Speaker 6>he is a so he left.

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<v Speaker 2>Periodically he dabbles in music, but for the most part

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<v Speaker 2>he's a professor at the University of Manchester studying and

435
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<v Speaker 2>researching particle physics and working at the CERN Hadron Collider.

436
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<v Speaker 2>So you can't get farther from music than that, or

437
00:33:34.920 --> 00:33:35.200
<v Speaker 2>can you.

438
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<v Speaker 11>I don't know.

439
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:39.079
<v Speaker 12>Well, it sounds like he's a pretty smart guy. And yes,

440
00:33:39.119 --> 00:33:42.319
<v Speaker 12>fact that he left that band proves the point that

441
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:43.480
<v Speaker 12>he was a smart guy.

442
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:48.519
<v Speaker 6>Exactly exactly. He interesting things about the guy he.

443
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<v Speaker 2>In nineteen ninety one he earned a Bachelor of Science

444
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:56.880
<v Speaker 2>with first class honors in physics and then after d

445
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:00.160
<v Speaker 2>Dream disbanded in nineteen ninety seven, although they're back and

446
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:03.440
<v Speaker 2>today he completed his Doctor of Philosophy in high energy

447
00:34:03.519 --> 00:34:08.239
<v Speaker 2>particle physics at the University of Manchester with the thesis

448
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:12.559
<v Speaker 2>double diffraction disassociation at large momentum transfer say that two

449
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:17.079
<v Speaker 2>times is fixed? Yes so, But today what's fascinating is

450
00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:20.320
<v Speaker 2>is that he's a brilliant mind. But he's known for

451
00:34:20.519 --> 00:34:23.639
<v Speaker 2>bringing science to the masses to better understand it, and

452
00:34:23.760 --> 00:34:26.519
<v Speaker 2>he does all kinds of talk shows and he writes

453
00:34:26.599 --> 00:34:29.639
<v Speaker 2>books that people can understand, and which is what he's

454
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:33.039
<v Speaker 2>really famous for today, not for his keyboarding with d

455
00:34:33.239 --> 00:34:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Dream and Dare. So that's my presentation here tonight. It

456
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:43.920
<v Speaker 2>was from small beginnings to a brilliant professor doing cutting

457
00:34:44.039 --> 00:34:47.079
<v Speaker 2>edge research in particle physics. As I was saying before,

458
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:50.000
<v Speaker 2>he is the Sheldon. He is the modern day, real

459
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:51.480
<v Speaker 2>life Sheldon Cooper.

460
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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, that's a that's a career switch. Yeah, yeah, that's Google.

461
00:34:56.000 --> 00:34:56.119
<v Speaker 12>You know.

462
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<v Speaker 8>I've seen him on TV and I didn't know about

463
00:35:00.159 --> 00:35:03.639
<v Speaker 8>the musical beginnings, and I always wondered why he had

464
00:35:03.679 --> 00:35:05.480
<v Speaker 8>that stupid beetle haircut.

465
00:35:06.960 --> 00:35:08.000
<v Speaker 6>Is an old style.

466
00:35:08.159 --> 00:35:11.119
<v Speaker 2>He's like an eighties rocker or kind of like an

467
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:13.400
<v Speaker 2>eighties po I wouldn't silly rock, but kind of like

468
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:19.239
<v Speaker 2>an eighties pop rock kind of a guy who is

469
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.639
<v Speaker 2>a brilliant physicist. They don't know how else to describe it.

470
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:25.880
<v Speaker 2>But it's interesting, as as Neilia pointed out, and he

471
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:29.199
<v Speaker 2>had the brains to leave the band. But you gotta it,

472
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:31.719
<v Speaker 2>just just you gotta wonder how. I wonder how people

473
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:34.679
<v Speaker 2>that brilliant, how they think, you know, you wonder how

474
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:36.320
<v Speaker 2>their brain processes information.

475
00:35:36.440 --> 00:35:39.079
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but he's only thinking about particles, not the whole thing.

476
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:41.199
<v Speaker 6>So he's just taking it a little bit out of time.

477
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:44.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes, very true. You know I'll give you that, Brian.

478
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:47.000
<v Speaker 2>You know I'll give you that. So that is my

479
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:50.280
<v Speaker 2>my thing tonight. It was Professor Brian Cox, formerly of

480
00:35:50.360 --> 00:35:53.760
<v Speaker 2>the band's Dream and Dare. He went from a keyboardist

481
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:58.599
<v Speaker 2>in those bands to particle physics and advanced science.

482
00:35:58.960 --> 00:36:01.679
<v Speaker 6>There you go. That was a good one. All right,

483
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:04.760
<v Speaker 6>thank you, John, buddy, you are up.

484
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:11.039
<v Speaker 12>Okay, Well, my subject for today's topic is drummer Terry Chimes,

485
00:36:11.159 --> 00:36:15.199
<v Speaker 12>who went from being a drum smacker to a Crackerbacker

486
00:36:16.880 --> 00:36:22.920
<v Speaker 12>chiropractor in real terms. But Terrence Terry Chimes worn in

487
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:27.280
<v Speaker 12>nineteen fifty six an English musician from London, and he's

488
00:36:27.360 --> 00:36:30.239
<v Speaker 12>best known as the original drummer for the punk band

489
00:36:30.440 --> 00:36:35.800
<v Speaker 12>The Clash, whose other original co founding members included Chimes,

490
00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.880
<v Speaker 12>with Joe Drummer and Mick Jones both on guitars and vocals,

491
00:36:40.360 --> 00:36:44.719
<v Speaker 12>Paul Simon and In on bass, and Keith Levine also

492
00:36:44.800 --> 00:36:48.800
<v Speaker 12>on guitar. Now, both Chimes and Levine would leave the band.

493
00:36:49.480 --> 00:36:53.599
<v Speaker 12>Keith Levine later formed Public Image Limited with ex sex

494
00:36:53.679 --> 00:36:57.400
<v Speaker 12>pistol John Lyden, or as I like to call him,

495
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:02.760
<v Speaker 12>Johnny Rotten, my old pal. The Monter Commercial and Chimes

496
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:06.960
<v Speaker 12>would go back to the Clash to record their first debut,

497
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:11.920
<v Speaker 12>their self titled album. Now, after recording that album, Chimes

498
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:15.760
<v Speaker 12>would once again leave and he was replaced by longtime

499
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:19.880
<v Speaker 12>drummer Papara Hayden. So let's see if I can get

500
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:23.880
<v Speaker 12>this all straight for you here. Chimes played several stints

501
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:26.960
<v Speaker 12>with The Clash Now, the first one from July to

502
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.320
<v Speaker 12>November in nineteen seventy six. I guess that's when they

503
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:33.880
<v Speaker 12>founded the group. He left and he came back from

504
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:37.199
<v Speaker 12>January to April nineteen seventy seven, I guess to record

505
00:37:37.320 --> 00:37:41.280
<v Speaker 12>the record, and he left, and then he returned in

506
00:37:41.480 --> 00:37:46.159
<v Speaker 12>May of nineteen eighty two until February of nineteen eighty three.

507
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:49.320
<v Speaker 12>So we kind of flip flop with Topper, if you

508
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:52.280
<v Speaker 12>see what I'm saying now. It was during that last

509
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:55.760
<v Speaker 12>stint he was on a tour here in the US

510
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:58.159
<v Speaker 12>opening for The Who with the Clash, and that was

511
00:37:58.199 --> 00:38:00.320
<v Speaker 12>the only time I got to see them one and

512
00:38:00.400 --> 00:38:03.119
<v Speaker 12>only time seeing the Clash open for the Who at

513
00:38:03.239 --> 00:38:07.760
<v Speaker 12>Chase Stadium. Now, Topper he had kind of been forced

514
00:38:08.159 --> 00:38:11.760
<v Speaker 12>to leave the band for a while because he had

515
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:16.079
<v Speaker 12>sort of a drug addiction problem, so they got Chimes

516
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:21.239
<v Speaker 12>to come back. But before we go any further, let's

517
00:38:21.320 --> 00:38:23.800
<v Speaker 12>check out the Clash. But the song I thought was

518
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:29.679
<v Speaker 12>pretty uh at propos for today. It's called Career Opportunities

519
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:33.480
<v Speaker 12>from the debut album of The Clash featuring Terry Chimes

520
00:38:33.559 --> 00:38:35.920
<v Speaker 12>on drums, And we'll come back with the rest of

521
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:37.360
<v Speaker 12>the story after that.

522
00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:02.280
<v Speaker 9>Jo diapp, I used to kick you up a dot com,

523
00:39:03.400 --> 00:39:03.920
<v Speaker 9>the one that.

524
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:09.199
<v Speaker 5>Never man sick.

525
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:14.119
<v Speaker 3>All right, I don't want to know if I him

526
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<v Speaker 3>in the.

527
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:21.679
<v Speaker 16>I have never stop this, but I want about black

528
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:22.679
<v Speaker 16>for you.

529
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:28.639
<v Speaker 9>Carry up one enough every job dieapp.

530
00:39:28.639 --> 00:39:30.679
<v Speaker 3>I used to kick you up a dock covering.

531
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:32.599
<v Speaker 5>The one and never.

532
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:39.679
<v Speaker 10>Oh but.

533
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:47.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm even bad all the time.

534
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:53.519
<v Speaker 9>Bang onna have sucking Untrea shu Bang.

535
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:55.880
<v Speaker 14>Gonna have to take away my place.

536
00:39:58.039 --> 00:39:59.000
<v Speaker 4>If I want to get.

537
00:39:58.920 --> 00:39:59.559
<v Speaker 3>Them bake it.

538
00:40:00.880 --> 00:40:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Wow, I got.

539
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:10.519
<v Speaker 6>The dog.

540
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:13.119
<v Speaker 12>Nev on.

541
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<v Speaker 7>Right.

542
00:40:24.119 --> 00:40:28.639
<v Speaker 12>The Clash from their debut nineteen seventy seven sounds a

543
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:32.320
<v Speaker 12>little different from the combat rock days, but that's what

544
00:40:32.400 --> 00:40:36.760
<v Speaker 12>they sounded like when they got started. With our topic today,

545
00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:41.360
<v Speaker 12>Terry Chimes on the drums. Now if his tenure Terry

546
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:45.280
<v Speaker 12>Chimes tenure with the band was a little confusing. Hang on,

547
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:46.920
<v Speaker 12>this is gonna get even worse.

548
00:40:47.960 --> 00:40:48.239
<v Speaker 7>Okay.

549
00:40:50.039 --> 00:40:52.559
<v Speaker 12>The Clash's debut, as I said, was released in the

550
00:40:52.760 --> 00:40:55.960
<v Speaker 12>UK in nineteen seventy seven, but it wasn't released here

551
00:40:56.000 --> 00:41:00.880
<v Speaker 12>in the US until nineteen seventy nine. That was after

552
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:05.360
<v Speaker 12>their second album, Give Them Enough Rope had already come

553
00:41:05.440 --> 00:41:09.280
<v Speaker 12>out here in the US in nineteen seventy eight, so

554
00:41:09.559 --> 00:41:14.599
<v Speaker 12>it made their debut album was actually the second release

555
00:41:14.679 --> 00:41:15.480
<v Speaker 12>here in the US.

556
00:41:15.960 --> 00:41:19.559
<v Speaker 6>Is that weird tiy wymy have it?

557
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:26.960
<v Speaker 12>It's yeah, why, I have no idea, But probably because

558
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:29.760
<v Speaker 12>that English punk stuff and any of that wasn't really

559
00:41:29.920 --> 00:41:31.440
<v Speaker 12>you know, the record companies.

560
00:41:31.119 --> 00:41:35.719
<v Speaker 7>Were going out your brain, nobody wants.

561
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:40.480
<v Speaker 12>To hear this stuff. Well, I guess by nineteen seventy

562
00:41:40.599 --> 00:41:44.119
<v Speaker 12>nine they were like, yeah, maybe they do. Anyway, In

563
00:41:44.280 --> 00:41:47.760
<v Speaker 12>between stints with the Class you think that, you know,

564
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.599
<v Speaker 12>Terry Chimes actually had another you know, he did do

565
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:55.280
<v Speaker 12>other things. He played with Johnny Thunders and the Heartbreakers

566
00:41:55.320 --> 00:41:59.679
<v Speaker 12>in seventy seven. Briefly he played with Generation X who

567
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:03.760
<v Speaker 12>Stinger was to become and was Billy Idol. That was

568
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:06.639
<v Speaker 12>in nineteen eighty to eighty one. He also played with

569
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:10.280
<v Speaker 12>Billy Idol for a while as a solo He was

570
00:42:10.320 --> 00:42:13.519
<v Speaker 12>in the band Hanoi Rocks in nineteen eighty five and

571
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:16.960
<v Speaker 12>was on tour with Black Sabbath without Ozzie at that

572
00:42:17.079 --> 00:42:21.920
<v Speaker 12>time in nineteen eighty seven and nineteen eighty eight, so

573
00:42:22.239 --> 00:42:24.119
<v Speaker 12>he did have a you know, he went beyond and

574
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:28.119
<v Speaker 12>did have a pretty good career as a drummer. But

575
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:32.360
<v Speaker 12>it was during this time with Black Sabbath that Chimes

576
00:42:32.440 --> 00:42:37.199
<v Speaker 12>first discovered the world of chiropractic. Now, you know, many

577
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:40.400
<v Speaker 12>drummers developed bad backs as a result of hunching over

578
00:42:40.440 --> 00:42:43.039
<v Speaker 12>the drums over the kit for many, many years, but

579
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:48.320
<v Speaker 12>this wasn't the case with Chimes. Chimes was introduced to

580
00:42:48.480 --> 00:42:54.239
<v Speaker 12>a chiropractor after a marathon game of bowling bowling during

581
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:57.679
<v Speaker 12>downtime with Black Sabbath. You know, they were just hanging

582
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.320
<v Speaker 12>out and they said, oh, why don't we go bowling?

583
00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:04.039
<v Speaker 12>He had never don it, Well, great, let's go. Yeah,

584
00:43:04.159 --> 00:43:06.119
<v Speaker 12>he had never done it before, so he sort of

585
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.559
<v Speaker 12>overdid it. They played for like hours, so after it

586
00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:14.960
<v Speaker 12>was done, he was hurting. So the band just said, well,

587
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:17.880
<v Speaker 12>we just happened to have a resident chiropractor on call,

588
00:43:18.960 --> 00:43:22.599
<v Speaker 12>and you know, let's bring him in. And it not

589
00:43:22.719 --> 00:43:25.440
<v Speaker 12>only relieved the pain in his arm, but it planted

590
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:27.840
<v Speaker 12>the seed in his head. Over the next few years

591
00:43:28.840 --> 00:43:31.079
<v Speaker 12>to leave the music business and study to be a

592
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:34.079
<v Speaker 12>chiropractor himself in the hopes of giving that kind of

593
00:43:34.159 --> 00:43:38.920
<v Speaker 12>relief from pain to others that the Black Sabbath chiropractor

594
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:42.480
<v Speaker 12>had given to him. And by nineteen ninety three he

595
00:43:42.559 --> 00:43:47.559
<v Speaker 12>had established several practices throughout England and also became became

596
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:53.480
<v Speaker 12>a trained acupuncturist. And it's interesting to note that while

597
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.480
<v Speaker 12>he enjoyed partying like a rock star to some degree,

598
00:43:56.840 --> 00:43:59.039
<v Speaker 12>he was also rather health conscious to begin with. He

599
00:43:59.119 --> 00:44:02.559
<v Speaker 12>never smoked, he never really indulged in drugs, He was

600
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:06.079
<v Speaker 12>a vegetarian, and he actually gave up drinking entirely when

601
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.760
<v Speaker 12>he was only twenty six years old, so.

602
00:44:10.280 --> 00:44:13.679
<v Speaker 7>He had the health thing going for a while now.

603
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:16.440
<v Speaker 12>In two thousand and three, Chimes was also inducted with

604
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:19.239
<v Speaker 12>the rest of the Clash as a member into the

605
00:44:19.360 --> 00:44:23.119
<v Speaker 12>Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, where he also praised

606
00:44:23.159 --> 00:44:27.039
<v Speaker 12>todp ra Hayden during his acceptance speech. And by the way,

607
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:29.679
<v Speaker 12>he occasionally he does go back and play a few

608
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:31.519
<v Speaker 12>you know songs of the.

609
00:44:31.519 --> 00:44:35.159
<v Speaker 6>Band now and then nice but everybody's on good terms.

610
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:37.280
<v Speaker 6>You don't hear that very often? Good Yeah.

611
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<v Speaker 7>From a drummer to a chiropractice.

612
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:43.280
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

613
00:44:43.760 --> 00:44:49.119
<v Speaker 6>Man, these really are big career switches. Very cool. All right,

614
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:51.960
<v Speaker 6>thanks Neil. We're going to take another real quick break

615
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<v Speaker 6>and we'll be back with two more right after this.

616
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<v Speaker 6>Hudson Riverradio dot Com.

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<v Speaker 9>Hudson Riverradio dot com.

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<v Speaker 6>And welcome back, Mercedes.

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<v Speaker 7>Up to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I am ready. So Marky Mark is a thug

621
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<v Speaker 1>or he was a thug and a rapper and now

622
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:27.880
<v Speaker 1>he's a movie star, so that's a career change. He

623
00:45:28.119 --> 00:45:31.320
<v Speaker 1>was born in Boston and is the youngest of nine children.

624
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:34.440
<v Speaker 1>Is an older brother. Was making a name for himself

625
00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:36.519
<v Speaker 1>as a rapper in the boy band New Kids on

626
00:45:36.599 --> 00:45:39.679
<v Speaker 1>the Block, which Marky Mark joined but quit after a

627
00:45:39.760 --> 00:45:43.519
<v Speaker 1>few months. He had twenty to twenty five incidents on

628
00:45:43.639 --> 00:45:46.920
<v Speaker 1>his record with the Boston Police Department during his teen years.

629
00:45:47.800 --> 00:45:50.599
<v Speaker 1>At thirteen, he was addicted to cocaine and other things,

630
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.000
<v Speaker 1>and by fourteen he had dropped out of high school.

631
00:45:53.639 --> 00:45:56.719
<v Speaker 1>At fifteen, he had a civil action lawsuit filed against

632
00:45:56.800 --> 00:46:01.480
<v Speaker 1>him for two instances of harassing African American children, which

633
00:46:01.559 --> 00:46:06.039
<v Speaker 1>included throwing rocks and shouting slurs, which he had apologized.

634
00:46:06.199 --> 00:46:11.679
<v Speaker 1>He has apologized publicly for several times. In nineteen ninety,

635
00:46:11.719 --> 00:46:17.599
<v Speaker 1>he began recording with Scott Ross, Hector Barrows, Anthony Thomas,

636
00:46:18.039 --> 00:46:21.599
<v Speaker 1>and Terry Yanty as Marky Mark on the Funky Bunch.

637
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:25.440
<v Speaker 1>They had a hit on their first album with Good Vibrations,

638
00:46:25.639 --> 00:46:28.320
<v Speaker 1>which hit number one on the Billboard Hot one hundred.

639
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:33.280
<v Speaker 1>On your first album at that time, they shot a

640
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:36.519
<v Speaker 1>video where Marky showed off his body. As a result,

641
00:46:36.679 --> 00:46:39.639
<v Speaker 1>he did a series of underwear edge for Calvin Klein

642
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:44.559
<v Speaker 1>that were displayed on billboards and on TV. They were everywhere.

643
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:48.280
<v Speaker 1>He also did a famous Vanity Fair spread for their

644
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:52.239
<v Speaker 1>annual Hall of Fame issue. The second single off the

645
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:55.760
<v Speaker 1>album was Wildside, which peaked at number ten on Billboard's

646
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<v Speaker 1>Hot one hundred, and it is the song that we're

647
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<v Speaker 1>going to hear in a bit. He went on to

648
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<v Speaker 1>record with many different artists in many different styles throughout

649
00:47:03.719 --> 00:47:06.679
<v Speaker 1>the nineties. As I said, he had a rocky past,

650
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:10.239
<v Speaker 1>and he was arrested charged with manslaughter, facing two years

651
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:13.400
<v Speaker 1>in jail, but only served forty five days and that

652
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.440
<v Speaker 1>was enough to turn his life around. A quote from

653
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<v Speaker 1>him says, as soon as I began that life of crime,

654
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.320
<v Speaker 1>there was always a voice in my head telling me

655
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:24.519
<v Speaker 1>I was going to end up in jail. Three of

656
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:27.159
<v Speaker 1>my brothers had done time, My sister went to prison

657
00:47:27.280 --> 00:47:30.639
<v Speaker 1>so many times I lost count. Finally I was there,

658
00:47:30.760 --> 00:47:32.800
<v Speaker 1>locked up with the kind of guys had always wanted

659
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.639
<v Speaker 1>to be like. Now I'd earned my stripes and I

660
00:47:35.800 --> 00:47:38.280
<v Speaker 1>was just like them, and I realized it wasn't what

661
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:41.480
<v Speaker 1>I wanted at all. I'd end up in the worst

662
00:47:41.519 --> 00:47:44.320
<v Speaker 1>place I could possibly imagine, and I never wanted to

663
00:47:44.400 --> 00:47:46.760
<v Speaker 1>go back. First of all, I had to learn to

664
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<v Speaker 1>stay on the straight and narrow. In twenty fourteen, Wahlberg

665
00:47:51.199 --> 00:47:54.000
<v Speaker 1>applied for a pardon from the state of Massachusetts for

666
00:47:54.119 --> 00:47:58.440
<v Speaker 1>his convictions. According to BBC, the debate about his suitability

667
00:47:58.519 --> 00:48:02.840
<v Speaker 1>for a pardon raised difficult issues, with the argument on

668
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:08.519
<v Speaker 1>both sides being far reaching and complex. Wahlberg later said

669
00:48:08.559 --> 00:48:12.800
<v Speaker 1>he regretted the attempt to obtain the pardon. In nineteen

670
00:48:12.840 --> 00:48:17.920
<v Speaker 1>ninety three, Mark Wahlberg made his acting career debut in

671
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<v Speaker 1>a TV movie called The Substitute, and after his appearance

672
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:25.719
<v Speaker 1>he dropped the Marky Mark name. He went on to

673
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:29.079
<v Speaker 1>do many more films which earned him positive reviews, such

674
00:48:29.159 --> 00:48:33.079
<v Speaker 1>as The Basketball Diaries, Fear, which was his first starring role,

675
00:48:33.599 --> 00:48:37.239
<v Speaker 1>Boogie Knights, The Big Hit, Three Kings, Planet of the Apes,

676
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:40.559
<v Speaker 1>The Truth About Charlie, which was directed by Jonathan Debbie

677
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:45.320
<v Speaker 1>who was a local Rockland person, The Italian job i

678
00:48:45.480 --> 00:48:48.920
<v Speaker 1>Heeart Hackebees The Departed, which gave him an Oscar for

679
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Best Supporting Actor, and he was considered for a role

680
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:55.519
<v Speaker 1>in Broke Back Mountain, which he turned down because he

681
00:48:55.679 --> 00:48:59.639
<v Speaker 1>was uncomfortable with the sexians. He also starred in two

682
00:48:59.719 --> 00:49:04.840
<v Speaker 1>films in the Transformers live action film franchise, Transformers Age

683
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:09.320
<v Speaker 1>of Extinction from twenty fourteen and Transformers The Last Night

684
00:49:09.400 --> 00:49:14.559
<v Speaker 1>from twenty seventeen, and More and More and More. In

685
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:17.599
<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen, he topped the list of the world's highest

686
00:49:17.639 --> 00:49:21.880
<v Speaker 1>paid actor. In twenty eighteen, his salary of one point

687
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:25.559
<v Speaker 1>five million for the reshoots for All the Money in

688
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:30.480
<v Speaker 1>the World stirred a gender pay gap controversy, and as

689
00:49:30.559 --> 00:49:34.159
<v Speaker 1>his co star Michelle Williams had received less than one

690
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:39.000
<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars for the same reshoots, Wahlberg donated the money

691
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<v Speaker 1>to the Times Up Initiative, a movement against sexual harassment

692
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:50.719
<v Speaker 1>co founded by Williams. He was also executive produced Entourage,

693
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.760
<v Speaker 1>which is loosely based on his early years in Hollywood.

694
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<v Speaker 1>Boardwalk Empire, had to make excusing, how to make it

695
00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:04.400
<v Speaker 1>in America and Ballers. So let's hear this Marky Mark song.

696
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<v Speaker 3>Ah.

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<v Speaker 6>American, A beautiful.

698
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

699
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<v Speaker 6>Let me introduce you all to the wild side.

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<v Speaker 16>Annie was a high school cheerleader, palms and Bobbie socks.

701
00:50:29.480 --> 00:50:31.320
<v Speaker 7>And no girl was gonna come from time.

702
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:34.360
<v Speaker 16>Everybody was on the line, all the fellas singer Nikka

703
00:50:34.400 --> 00:50:37.000
<v Speaker 16>went down and tales about love and lust and truck.

704
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<v Speaker 16>But Annie took it all in stride because deep inside

705
00:50:39.760 --> 00:50:44.639
<v Speaker 16>and he had aspirations. Besides that, she had expectations. Wanted

706
00:50:44.679 --> 00:50:47.519
<v Speaker 16>to be a chemical engineer, making fifty to fifty five

707
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.519
<v Speaker 16>thousand a year. A first year of college was a success,

708
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:54.280
<v Speaker 16>but along comes Billy, possessed and obsessed. He took Annie

709
00:50:54.320 --> 00:50:56.719
<v Speaker 16>on a fatal's date to show the things that made

710
00:50:56.719 --> 00:50:59.239
<v Speaker 16>harp It's accelerates, and he took a head breathe two

711
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:00.199
<v Speaker 16>short preps.

712
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:02.159
<v Speaker 6>One for life, the last for death.

713
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<v Speaker 16>Now she's going to form a valedictorian ended up becoming

714
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:08.039
<v Speaker 16>a top of four story in to wash up dreams,

715
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:11.559
<v Speaker 16>shattered bride, or because Zanny took a hit on the

716
00:51:11.679 --> 00:51:12.440
<v Speaker 16>wild Side.

717
00:51:39.000 --> 00:51:39.800
<v Speaker 7>Ron had enough of.

718
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:42.599
<v Speaker 16>Being broke every day, saying to himself, that's gotta be

719
00:51:42.639 --> 00:51:44.760
<v Speaker 16>a better way, because nine in the five wasn't worth

720
00:51:44.920 --> 00:51:45.480
<v Speaker 16>the headaches.

721
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:47.559
<v Speaker 6>So Ron figured out a fastest.

722
00:51:47.159 --> 00:51:48.320
<v Speaker 7>Way to make money.

723
00:51:48.760 --> 00:51:51.119
<v Speaker 6>Before you know it is a rich Man gold on

724
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:54.559
<v Speaker 6>everything O that's hand a brand new BMW a condo.

725
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:56.639
<v Speaker 7>Ron ended up for John Do.

726
00:51:57.039 --> 00:51:59.159
<v Speaker 15>A body was found in the alley, but never claim

727
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:01.960
<v Speaker 15>full of bullet holes, with none in the blame. Vron

728
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:05.360
<v Speaker 15>became another victim of hump side because he chose to

729
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:07.119
<v Speaker 15>Walk on a wild Side.

730
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:35.159
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so of course Wahlberg sings all of the vocals

731
00:52:35.280 --> 00:52:39.159
<v Speaker 1>and heavily samples on Walk on the wild Side. Try

732
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:39.760
<v Speaker 1>lou Read.

733
00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:43.280
<v Speaker 7>I kind of like that.

734
00:52:43.920 --> 00:52:47.159
<v Speaker 1>I'm not much of a rap fand but I don't know,

735
00:52:47.199 --> 00:52:49.039
<v Speaker 1>I kind of like that. Maybe it's because I love

736
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:50.119
<v Speaker 1>the lou Read sound.

737
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:52.639
<v Speaker 12>So I was gonna say, you could, you could? You

738
00:52:52.679 --> 00:52:54.760
<v Speaker 12>could read the phone book over that baseline.

739
00:52:54.920 --> 00:53:01.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So people often confuse Matt day and with Mark Wahlberg,

740
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:07.280
<v Speaker 1>and I know I do, because really you don't never No,

741
00:53:07.800 --> 00:53:11.440
<v Speaker 1>I think it's confusing. Because of that, they both agreed

742
00:53:11.719 --> 00:53:14.360
<v Speaker 1>that whenever someone thinks they're the other, they have to

743
00:53:14.440 --> 00:53:16.519
<v Speaker 1>be on their very best behavior so as to not

744
00:53:16.719 --> 00:53:20.599
<v Speaker 1>ruin either his reputation. Matt will even sign autographs Mark

745
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:24.639
<v Speaker 1>Wahlberg and Mark will sign Matt damon some of the

746
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:25.559
<v Speaker 1>things confused.

747
00:53:26.679 --> 00:53:29.440
<v Speaker 12>Really, yeah, I thought the class were confusing.

748
00:53:31.920 --> 00:53:34.000
<v Speaker 1>Some other things you might not know about in me

749
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:38.199
<v Speaker 1>as a third nipple. Some movies have opted to digitally

750
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:44.719
<v Speaker 1>airbrush it out, and I can't hear that. He had

751
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:47.920
<v Speaker 1>tickets on Flight eleven on September eleventh, but the group

752
00:53:48.039 --> 00:53:51.079
<v Speaker 1>decided to attend a film festival in Canada before heading

753
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:53.840
<v Speaker 1>back to la and chartered to Flight North instead.

754
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:54.639
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

755
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:59.039
<v Speaker 1>He started the Mark Wahlberg Youth Foundation because of his

756
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:03.440
<v Speaker 1>troubled youth to give back to troubled kids. Mark Wahlberg

757
00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:06.840
<v Speaker 1>bought an eight million mansion Beverly Hills in two thousand

758
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:10.079
<v Speaker 1>and nine and then spent five years perfecting it. It

759
00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:14.360
<v Speaker 1>is thirty thousand square feet and there's an indoor gym,

760
00:54:14.559 --> 00:54:19.480
<v Speaker 1>a home theater, a full basketball court, a putting green green,

761
00:54:20.880 --> 00:54:22.559
<v Speaker 1>and a water park.

762
00:54:24.159 --> 00:54:26.000
<v Speaker 6>Well of course in his house.

763
00:54:26.280 --> 00:54:30.559
<v Speaker 4>Of course, at first, instead of putting Green. I thought

764
00:54:30.599 --> 00:54:32.920
<v Speaker 4>you said potting green and I got all excited.

765
00:54:33.559 --> 00:54:43.599
<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, me too, not inside the house, I don't

766
00:54:43.760 --> 00:54:49.960
<v Speaker 1>know about the outside. So yeah, he went from from

767
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:53.880
<v Speaker 1>punk to wrap I mean punk in the old sense

768
00:54:55.440 --> 00:55:03.440
<v Speaker 1>thug these days, to rapper to model, oh, majorly successful

769
00:55:03.519 --> 00:55:04.480
<v Speaker 1>Hollywood star.

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00:55:04.880 --> 00:55:05.119
<v Speaker 4>Wow.

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00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:09.159
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, the whole pardon thing. I can see both sides.

772
00:55:09.239 --> 00:55:13.159
<v Speaker 6>But I'm like, you did it? So yeah, just because

773
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:16.239
<v Speaker 6>you're famous, does it? I don't know? Yeah, you know,

774
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:18.960
<v Speaker 6>would your average Joe be able to get a pardon

775
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:19.199
<v Speaker 6>for that?

776
00:55:19.800 --> 00:55:19.840
<v Speaker 16>No?

777
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:22.239
<v Speaker 6>No, true?

778
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<v Speaker 1>So so true? You know, as a Hollywood star, could

779
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<v Speaker 1>you maybe.

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00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:30.559
<v Speaker 6>Are you saying the rich and famous get special treatment?

781
00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:33.559
<v Speaker 4>That?

782
00:55:33.679 --> 00:55:39.119
<v Speaker 6>What I was trying to imply I kind of was, yeah,

783
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<v Speaker 6>therein lies the problem.

784
00:55:41.559 --> 00:55:41.760
<v Speaker 12>Yeah.

785
00:55:42.159 --> 00:55:47.760
<v Speaker 6>So but good choice and yeah, all right, cool. One

786
00:55:47.800 --> 00:55:48.159
<v Speaker 6>more to go.

787
00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:49.079
<v Speaker 7>Here we go.

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<v Speaker 6>I am going to talk about Jeffrey Baxter, better known

789
00:55:53.519 --> 00:55:59.079
<v Speaker 6>as Skunk Baxter. He was born in nineteen forty eight

790
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:02.639
<v Speaker 6>in Washington, DC. He has never disclosed where the Skunk

791
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:06.559
<v Speaker 6>nickname has come from. He started on drums at age

792
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:10.039
<v Speaker 6>eleven in a band called King Thunder and the Lightning Bolts,

793
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:13.840
<v Speaker 6>which must now be stolen or resurrected, because that is

794
00:56:13.920 --> 00:56:19.639
<v Speaker 6>one of the funniest names, like a chest of condition. Okay,

795
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:23.000
<v Speaker 6>King Thunder should come after the lightning bolt, then I

796
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:24.000
<v Speaker 6>would think on.

797
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:28.079
<v Speaker 7>A Saturday Morning cartoon, right, yeah, it's.

798
00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:30.639
<v Speaker 6>Like you know, and special guests Josie and the Pussycats like.

799
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:35.000
<v Speaker 7>Yep.

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00:56:35.360 --> 00:56:38.599
<v Speaker 6>So in high school, Skunk worked in a Manhattan music

801
00:56:38.679 --> 00:56:41.280
<v Speaker 6>shop where he got to meet Jimmy Hendrix, and he

802
00:56:41.360 --> 00:56:44.000
<v Speaker 6>claims to have sat in on bass for a show

803
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:47.400
<v Speaker 6>or two as Jimmy slowly became a front man member.

804
00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:50.559
<v Speaker 6>Jimmy played in bands and then wound up being upfront.

805
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:54.639
<v Speaker 6>He studied journalism at Boston University, and while there he

806
00:56:54.760 --> 00:56:57.039
<v Speaker 6>worked in a music shop as a guitar tech and

807
00:56:57.280 --> 00:57:00.639
<v Speaker 6>amp repair man. He is very much a techy kind

808
00:57:00.679 --> 00:57:02.280
<v Speaker 6>of guy, as we will see in a little bit.

809
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:06.039
<v Speaker 6>His road to fame started in nineteen sixty eight with

810
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:10.280
<v Speaker 6>the psychedelic band Ultimate Spinach, which I had never heard of.

811
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:13.639
<v Speaker 1>I like that, Uh huh, Neil you know that.

812
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:16.239
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, of course Neil would know.

813
00:57:16.599 --> 00:57:18.559
<v Speaker 1>I have surprised.

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00:57:18.639 --> 00:57:20.360
<v Speaker 6>I know, Neil's gonna jump in with more.

815
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:22.960
<v Speaker 7>Facts on this one for no other reason just the name.

816
00:57:23.280 --> 00:57:23.599
<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

817
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:24.559
<v Speaker 7>Yeah.

818
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:28.079
<v Speaker 6>So after that he moved to Los Angeles to find

819
00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:30.880
<v Speaker 6>session work, and there he became a founding member of

820
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:35.360
<v Speaker 6>Steely Dan. He played the recognizable solo on their biggest hit,

821
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:38.360
<v Speaker 6>Ricky Don't Lose that number. That is Skunk Backster playing that.

822
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:42.559
<v Speaker 6>In nineteen seventy four, Steely Dan decided to change direction.

823
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.760
<v Speaker 6>They stopped touring. They wanted to focus on using session

824
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:49.679
<v Speaker 6>musicians and just recording in the studio. So Skunk jumped

825
00:57:49.719 --> 00:57:54.280
<v Speaker 6>over to the Doobie Brothers. Not too bad he While

826
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:57.440
<v Speaker 6>he was there, the lead singer Tom Johnston was hospitalized

827
00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:01.079
<v Speaker 6>with a stomach issue. So Skunk recommends did Michael McDonald

828
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:03.960
<v Speaker 6>and his distinct voice to come and fill in. And

829
00:58:04.079 --> 00:58:06.119
<v Speaker 6>it was such a good suggestion, and it worked out

830
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:09.079
<v Speaker 6>so well that Michael McDonald got hired full time even

831
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:13.239
<v Speaker 6>after Tom Johnston came back to the band. Skunk left

832
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:15.559
<v Speaker 6>the Doobie Brothers in nineteen seventy nine and went on

833
00:58:15.679 --> 00:58:19.320
<v Speaker 6>to do way too many projects to list here. But

834
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<v Speaker 6>I did mention that he was a techi kind of

835
00:58:21.480 --> 00:58:23.480
<v Speaker 6>He is a techie kind of guy. He is still around,

836
00:58:23.960 --> 00:58:27.719
<v Speaker 6>very smart guy. He was interested in music recording technology,

837
00:58:28.159 --> 00:58:30.320
<v Speaker 6>which at this time was starting to evolve into the

838
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:34.119
<v Speaker 6>digital domain, going from real to real into digital stuff.

839
00:58:34.840 --> 00:58:37.719
<v Speaker 6>So he became interested in the hardware and the software

840
00:58:37.800 --> 00:58:41.800
<v Speaker 6>that was being used, and specifically in data compression storing

841
00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:45.320
<v Speaker 6>large amounts of data in smaller volume, which is kind

842
00:58:45.360 --> 00:58:49.480
<v Speaker 6>of standard now with our iPhones and laptops, iPads, all

843
00:58:49.480 --> 00:58:51.880
<v Speaker 6>that stuff, squashing down a lot of information into a

844
00:58:51.960 --> 00:58:56.199
<v Speaker 6>smaller amount of data. The biggest user of this kind

845
00:58:56.239 --> 00:58:59.280
<v Speaker 6>of tech was the military, and his next door neighbor

846
00:58:59.320 --> 00:59:02.400
<v Speaker 6>happened to be retired engineer who worked on the Sidewinder

847
00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:06.280
<v Speaker 6>missile program and hooked him up with some magazines and

848
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:09.760
<v Speaker 6>journals on the topic of data compression and the missiles

849
00:59:09.800 --> 00:59:12.159
<v Speaker 6>and all that kind of stuff, and he got so

850
00:59:12.519 --> 00:59:15.440
<v Speaker 6>into it and so involved he took it upon himself

851
00:59:16.039 --> 00:59:19.199
<v Speaker 6>to write a five page paper on how the aegious

852
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:23.000
<v Speaker 6>missiles could be converted from a ship based weapon into

853
00:59:23.119 --> 00:59:27.320
<v Speaker 6>a missile defense system. He submitted his paper to his

854
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:32.400
<v Speaker 6>congressperson and then found himself to be the missile to

855
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:37.480
<v Speaker 6>be the defense consultant with security clearances for his congressperson,

856
00:59:38.119 --> 00:59:40.960
<v Speaker 6>just because Wow sat down and decided to write a

857
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:43.880
<v Speaker 6>five page paper on his own. Now I have sat

858
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:46.079
<v Speaker 6>down and written four page papers on my own, but

859
00:59:46.159 --> 00:59:48.079
<v Speaker 6>I have never written a five page paper.

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00:59:48.199 --> 00:59:49.480
<v Speaker 8>Just are you underachiever?

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00:59:49.800 --> 00:59:51.199
<v Speaker 4>I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 12>So.

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00:59:53.880 --> 00:59:56.760
<v Speaker 6>In nineteen ninety five, Skunk was nominated to chair the

864
00:59:56.920 --> 01:00:01.760
<v Speaker 6>Civilian Advisory Board for Ballistic Missile defen He worked on

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01:00:01.920 --> 01:00:05.960
<v Speaker 6>contracts for the Pentagon's Missile Defense Agency. He consulted for

866
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:10.559
<v Speaker 6>the US Department of Defense and for several defense contractors.

867
01:00:11.119 --> 01:00:13.719
<v Speaker 6>Made a lot of money doing this, and in two

868
01:00:13.760 --> 01:00:17.960
<v Speaker 6>thousand and five he joined the NASA Exploration Systems Advisory Committee.

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01:00:18.039 --> 01:00:21.679
<v Speaker 6>And the list goes on and on and on. Because

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01:00:21.719 --> 01:00:24.639
<v Speaker 6>he was interested in all this and did his own

871
01:00:24.679 --> 01:00:29.280
<v Speaker 6>research and wrote his paper, he credits his way of

872
01:00:29.360 --> 01:00:32.280
<v Speaker 6>thinking for all these opportunities. So let me read you

873
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:35.760
<v Speaker 6>a quote that he said in an interview. We thought

874
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:38.960
<v Speaker 6>turntables were for playing records until rappers began to use

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01:00:39.039 --> 01:00:42.159
<v Speaker 6>them as instruments. And we thought airplanes were for carrying

876
01:00:42.239 --> 01:00:46.119
<v Speaker 6>passengers until terrorists realized they could be used as missiles.

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01:00:46.920 --> 01:00:50.639
<v Speaker 6>My big thing is to look excuse me, My big

878
01:00:50.760 --> 01:00:53.840
<v Speaker 6>thing is to look at existing technologies and try to

879
01:00:53.880 --> 01:00:56.400
<v Speaker 6>see other ways they can be used, which happens in

880
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:59.599
<v Speaker 6>music all the time and happens to be what terrorists

881
01:00:59.599 --> 01:01:03.480
<v Speaker 6>are inarably good at so I give him credit learning

882
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:06.159
<v Speaker 6>about something and finding a new way to basically take

883
01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:08.719
<v Speaker 6>off the shelf technology and put it to use in

884
01:01:08.800 --> 01:01:13.800
<v Speaker 6>a new way. Now sharp left Turn. The Doobie Brothers

885
01:01:14.079 --> 01:01:17.679
<v Speaker 6>were on the sitcom What's Happening in nineteen seventy eight.

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01:01:17.760 --> 01:01:20.920
<v Speaker 6>Do you guys remember the sitcom What's Happening? I caught

887
01:01:20.960 --> 01:01:24.360
<v Speaker 6>it in reruns as a kid. The show ran from

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01:01:24.440 --> 01:01:28.800
<v Speaker 6>nineteen seventy six to nineteen seventy nine. It became more

889
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:34.519
<v Speaker 6>popular afterwards in after school syndication hours your local TV stations.

890
01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:36.239
<v Speaker 6>A lot of times they would have like after school

891
01:01:36.280 --> 01:01:39.280
<v Speaker 6>program and then do sitcom reruns and then kind of

892
01:01:39.320 --> 01:01:41.960
<v Speaker 6>go into the evening news and game shows, that kind

893
01:01:41.960 --> 01:01:44.840
<v Speaker 6>of thing. That growing up, that's where I saw What's Happening.

894
01:01:44.920 --> 01:01:47.719
<v Speaker 6>It was on like in that after school kind of hours.

895
01:01:48.639 --> 01:01:52.119
<v Speaker 6>The show was based on a Black La neighborhood. The

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01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:56.000
<v Speaker 6>main characters were Raj, Dwayne, and Freddie, known as Rerun.

897
01:01:57.159 --> 01:02:00.840
<v Speaker 6>Their high school was portrayed as the Doobie alma mater,

898
01:02:01.280 --> 01:02:04.159
<v Speaker 6>which made no sense because they're not the same age

899
01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:06.519
<v Speaker 6>and they were not from there. But the idea for

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01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:10.159
<v Speaker 6>these episodes came from the band's publicist David Guest, who

901
01:02:10.239 --> 01:02:12.920
<v Speaker 6>we would know now better is mister e Liza Minelli.

902
01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:17.639
<v Speaker 6>He's married to her. Oh but he did a great

903
01:02:17.760 --> 01:02:21.360
<v Speaker 6>job getting the band Exposures to new audiences because the

904
01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:24.840
<v Speaker 6>Doobie Brothers were not in the target demo. For anybody

905
01:02:24.920 --> 01:02:29.920
<v Speaker 6>watching What's Happening On the first run on the show,

906
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:32.639
<v Speaker 6>one of the Doobie Brothers goes up to rerun and says, hey,

907
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:35.599
<v Speaker 6>glad you came back, and rerun said came back. I'm

908
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:38.400
<v Speaker 6>still here because he'd never left high school. He just

909
01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:39.039
<v Speaker 6>got left back.

910
01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:39.679
<v Speaker 13>So many times.

911
01:02:44.199 --> 01:02:48.079
<v Speaker 6>They teach the cast about the bad side of bootlegging concerts,

912
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:51.280
<v Speaker 6>kind of like a pre napster thing, you know. They

913
01:02:51.320 --> 01:02:54.280
<v Speaker 6>talked about how people would sneak in tape recorders and

914
01:02:54.480 --> 01:02:57.920
<v Speaker 6>take money away from these working musicians. It's a two

915
01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:02.280
<v Speaker 6>episode arc called Doobie or Not doo Be and it's

916
01:03:02.320 --> 01:03:05.440
<v Speaker 6>worth watching. Oh gosh, it's so tongue in cheek and

917
01:03:05.559 --> 01:03:11.599
<v Speaker 6>so cheesy. It is the best line, the best it's hysterical.

918
01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:13.920
<v Speaker 6>The best line from the show is which doo Be

919
01:03:14.239 --> 01:03:19.679
<v Speaker 6>you be? Some of the Doobie Brothers who are still

920
01:03:19.719 --> 01:03:21.760
<v Speaker 6>around still get that people come up to them and

921
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:22.559
<v Speaker 6>say which do be?

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01:03:22.760 --> 01:03:23.039
<v Speaker 11>You be?

923
01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:29.280
<v Speaker 6>And they just they just go with it. So back

924
01:03:29.360 --> 01:03:32.119
<v Speaker 6>to a little bit later. Skunk was also at the

925
01:03:32.199 --> 01:03:35.440
<v Speaker 6>forefront of hearing protection, especially for rock musicians, Like at

926
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:38.079
<v Speaker 6>the top of the show we listened to, you know,

927
01:03:38.239 --> 01:03:41.800
<v Speaker 6>monitor versus front of house kind of stuff. Well, when

928
01:03:41.840 --> 01:03:43.519
<v Speaker 6>he was up and coming, this was when you started

929
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:46.559
<v Speaker 6>getting the wedge monitors on stage, which were super loud.

930
01:03:46.599 --> 01:03:49.400
<v Speaker 6>The concerts were super loud, your amps were super loud.

931
01:03:49.559 --> 01:03:52.440
<v Speaker 6>And he was one of the few that took steps

932
01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:55.920
<v Speaker 6>to protect his hearing. If you see videos of him,

933
01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:59.239
<v Speaker 6>he's wearing headphones, He's wearing hearing protection like you would

934
01:03:59.239 --> 01:04:01.840
<v Speaker 6>wear at a gun rain while he's up on stage performing.

935
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:03.320
<v Speaker 6>He was one of the very few to do that.

936
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:06.639
<v Speaker 6>And in nineteen ninety three he actually did a TV

937
01:04:06.880 --> 01:04:10.440
<v Speaker 6>PSA about protecting your hearing, which I remember seeing, which

938
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:12.679
<v Speaker 6>I thought was cool. So I had the audio from that.

939
01:04:12.760 --> 01:04:13.679
<v Speaker 6>Let's give this a listen.

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01:04:17.480 --> 01:04:18.880
<v Speaker 17>You know, if you're like me, you listen to a

941
01:04:18.960 --> 01:04:21.920
<v Speaker 17>lot of rock music. But you know, constant exposure to

942
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:25.159
<v Speaker 17>loud music can lead to permanent hearing loss, Like after

943
01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:28.079
<v Speaker 17>a concert when everything sounds muffled and your ears are ringing,

944
01:04:28.639 --> 01:04:31.679
<v Speaker 17>just imagine if it always sounded like that. So protect

945
01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:34.000
<v Speaker 17>your hearing. My friends laughed at me for years for

946
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:37.800
<v Speaker 17>wearing headphones on stage, but they're not laughing anymore. Rock

947
01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:39.719
<v Speaker 17>and roll is here to stay and make sure your

948
01:04:39.760 --> 01:04:40.440
<v Speaker 17>hearing is too.

949
01:04:41.039 --> 01:04:43.199
<v Speaker 1>Sponsored by the Houseier Institute.

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<v Speaker 6>I thought that was pretty cool.

951
01:04:45.760 --> 01:04:49.119
<v Speaker 7>The more do you know, yeah, the more I didn't

952
01:04:49.159 --> 01:04:49.440
<v Speaker 7>hear it.

953
01:04:56.039 --> 01:04:57.960
<v Speaker 6>That's from your years of sitting behind the kit and

954
01:04:58.079 --> 01:05:01.920
<v Speaker 6>in front of all the ants. That's what happens. So yeah,

955
01:05:01.960 --> 01:05:03.960
<v Speaker 6>I thought that was cool. So you had a guitarist,

956
01:05:04.079 --> 01:05:08.679
<v Speaker 6>multi instrumentalist who goes to missile defense and hearing protection,

957
01:05:08.960 --> 01:05:12.360
<v Speaker 6>and in all fairness, he never really gave up music.

958
01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:14.159
<v Speaker 6>He's still playing and he still plays every once in

959
01:05:14.199 --> 01:05:17.159
<v Speaker 6>a while. But I would say that's a pretty big

960
01:05:17.320 --> 01:05:20.599
<v Speaker 6>switch to go into the missile defense business. Yeah, and

961
01:05:21.760 --> 01:05:24.719
<v Speaker 6>made a bunch of cash doing it. And I went

962
01:05:24.800 --> 01:05:26.920
<v Speaker 6>down the rabbit hole. Just last night. He did a

963
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:29.679
<v Speaker 6>lecture series and I watched the whole lecture on YouTube

964
01:05:29.800 --> 01:05:32.599
<v Speaker 6>and problem solving and you're changing your way of thinking

965
01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:35.039
<v Speaker 6>and all that, and he's I can see why he

966
01:05:35.159 --> 01:05:38.159
<v Speaker 6>was hired as a consultant because kind of like Brian Cox,

967
01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:41.239
<v Speaker 6>he can kind of simplify things and explain it to

968
01:05:41.360 --> 01:05:45.239
<v Speaker 6>make it understandable. And he would also go into these

969
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:50.639
<v Speaker 6>what's that Neil, Yeah, yeah, I mean he even tells us,

970
01:05:51.400 --> 01:05:54.440
<v Speaker 6>He tells the stories of going into to these contractors thinking,

971
01:05:54.519 --> 01:05:56.679
<v Speaker 6>you know, he walks in like a hippie, so they

972
01:05:56.880 --> 01:05:58.480
<v Speaker 6>they dumb it down for him and he goes, oh,

973
01:05:58.599 --> 01:06:03.480
<v Speaker 6>and then he you know, sit so man, yeah, with

974
01:06:03.599 --> 01:06:05.599
<v Speaker 6>the delta V over the this and then and then

975
01:06:06.079 --> 01:06:08.679
<v Speaker 6>like they just go, we're gonna show you a different

976
01:06:08.719 --> 01:06:13.159
<v Speaker 6>presentation and then kind of change gears so good for him.

977
01:06:13.760 --> 01:06:16.360
<v Speaker 6>As far as songs, I went with the Doobie Brothers.

978
01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:18.400
<v Speaker 6>I went with the song Taking It to the Streets

979
01:06:18.599 --> 01:06:22.440
<v Speaker 6>because Skunk plays on it. It features Michael McDonald's who

980
01:06:22.519 --> 01:06:25.039
<v Speaker 6>Skunk brought on board, and it's one of the songs

981
01:06:25.079 --> 01:06:28.719
<v Speaker 6>that they played on What's Happening. So let's give a listen.

982
01:06:34.320 --> 01:07:06.280
<v Speaker 3>M you don't know me, You telling me the things

983
01:07:06.400 --> 01:07:13.000
<v Speaker 3>about it do for me. I'm not know my.

984
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:35.880
<v Speaker 10>Taking it to streets no money, take.

985
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:36.599
<v Speaker 9>This myselves to around you will find m.

986
01:07:41.519 --> 01:07:51.039
<v Speaker 3>Robert people in tucular Chi and finanties the spell.

987
01:07:53.360 --> 01:07:59.800
<v Speaker 4>My you telling me the things you wanted to for.

988
01:08:03.679 --> 01:08:06.480
<v Speaker 6>I don't.

989
01:08:09.320 --> 01:08:48.880
<v Speaker 3>Jussa take jus, who are you telling me the.

990
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:50.279
<v Speaker 4>Things you do?

991
01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:50.960
<v Speaker 3>Love me?

992
01:08:54.399 --> 01:08:55.039
<v Speaker 13>I do.

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01:08:58.680 --> 01:09:40.920
<v Speaker 6>Last, So I do suggest hopping on YouTube and watching

994
01:09:41.279 --> 01:09:44.760
<v Speaker 6>what's happening with the two episodes with with the Doobie Brothers.

995
01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:46.600
<v Speaker 6>I'm sure it's on there. If not, it's got to

996
01:09:46.640 --> 01:09:49.359
<v Speaker 6>be somewhere at least the clips of it. It's pretty funny,

997
01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:52.960
<v Speaker 6>it's pretty it's such a crossover, and the Doobies are

998
01:09:53.079 --> 01:09:57.399
<v Speaker 6>not actors, and you could say, and everybody's just feeling awkward,

999
01:09:57.520 --> 01:10:00.880
<v Speaker 6>and it's it's great, it really is. It's just it's perfect.

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01:10:01.600 --> 01:10:06.800
<v Speaker 6>So there you have it. Career switches, everybody had really

1001
01:10:06.880 --> 01:10:12.560
<v Speaker 6>interesting choices. We talk about sharp turn career switches, and

1002
01:10:12.680 --> 01:10:15.439
<v Speaker 6>none of these were because they had to you know,

1003
01:10:15.600 --> 01:10:18.079
<v Speaker 6>you see your stories that you know, all right, like

1004
01:10:18.159 --> 01:10:20.479
<v Speaker 6>their second album flopped and they got dropped by their

1005
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:23.159
<v Speaker 6>label and they had to find something to make it.

1006
01:10:23.319 --> 01:10:24.920
<v Speaker 6>These were all by choice, which I thought.

1007
01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:27.239
<v Speaker 8>Nobody had a horrid ketchup packets and eat.

1008
01:10:27.079 --> 01:10:29.880
<v Speaker 6>Them for yeah exactly. I mean they may have, but

1009
01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:36.479
<v Speaker 6>not because they had to say yep, cool, all right,

1010
01:10:37.279 --> 01:10:39.920
<v Speaker 6>No final thoughts from anybody before we pull the plug.

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01:10:40.520 --> 01:10:41.760
<v Speaker 1>Good stuff, good stuff.

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01:10:41.760 --> 01:10:44.960
<v Speaker 6>We're all around cool. All right, good choices, Crambones. Thank

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01:10:45.000 --> 01:10:46.880
<v Speaker 6>you for all your hard work as always, and thank

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01:10:46.920 --> 01:10:48.319
<v Speaker 6>you all for joining us here for the rock and

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01:10:48.439 --> 01:10:51.199
<v Speaker 6>roll History Show. Don't forget to subscribe in your favorite

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01:10:51.199 --> 01:10:53.760
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<v Speaker 6>do here at Hudson River Radio, there is something for everybody.

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01:10:57.119 --> 01:10:59.159
<v Speaker 6>We'll be back next week with another brand new show,

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<v Speaker 6>so be safe. Until then, Peace out, everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm come a rock, top, bottom and trum.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Bye bye.

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