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Speaker 1: It's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carna,

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c e O and JP sorrows He's a lapsed fan.

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In all my years and wrestling, I've never seen anything like.

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Speaker 2: Rob Kick.

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Speaker 3: It's the laps Fan man number one in the ring

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begin about Sosada with a real king of swing when

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the bell goes hang and a kick like me throoming

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in the corner with.

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Speaker 2: Its rash like stick.

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Speaker 3: Even Jerry King could say off the crown, nodding his

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head like Steve low Brown?

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Speaker 4: Would you get low down for me?

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Speaker 3: Go even high up?

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Speaker 2: Trip you on your head?

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Speaker 4: But you no cool drivel?

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Speaker 3: You speaking monology and dragon slits fire if you more

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shot than the edge retires dropping more truth than the

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conn of sniper unless you would a coconut Roddy Piper out,

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Jack a JP, you a j wat d drop a

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cupcakes and got the brain Bob Beans the best podcast

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from start the close file of your benefit.

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Speaker 4: It's a bassicket polls and we are privileged now to

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be joined here on the Lapsed Fan by a nineteen

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sixty eight Olympian for the United States and a big

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time pro wrestling star across the country, including most prominently

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in Florida, right around the same time that Terry Bolea

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was trying to break into the wrestling business. He's an

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inductee into the Thes Trego's Hall of Fame of Wrestling

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and Waterloo, Iowa, and he's co host of the podcast

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The Wrestling Stoop. He's eighty three years young. We're privileged

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to have mister Bob Rup on the show to help

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round out our understanding of this time period and much more. Bob,

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we want to thank you so much for making the

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time for us.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you very much. My head is so big

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from that nice although a nice ange about quite some

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time now. Well, thank you very much.

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Speaker 4: Well, oh, it's our pleasure. That's great. You know, Bob,

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we have talked so much about not just Hulk, but

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talk so much about this time period, the late seventies

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and what the territorial scene was like, what was going on,

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who was calling the shots. So we're interested in talking

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to you not just about the limited interactions that you

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had with Terry Bolea, but just what the business was

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like back then in the territories that that you worked in.

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And I'd love to just start tell our listeners how

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you came to Florida, you know, and and what what

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led to you getting hooked up with Eddie Graham?

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Speaker 2: Uh? I was in college. My shame you year in

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college I got I got hurt. And we had a

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trainer who kept telling me that I caught up a lot.

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I mean I would do a little sketch and things,

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and yeah, he said, he said, you ought to think

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about this is at in the Olympics. She said you

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ought to think about getting into for wrestling. And he said,

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I know Sam Muchnick. Now, I'm sure you guys know

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who I know you're You're not eighty three years old.

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But Sam was the president at the end of the AA.

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And I mean those are all kind of nebulous titles,

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you know, like okay, who repercoin, Who's going to be

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this week? But well, the trainer knew san and the

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school was Southern in Illinois. It was only about one

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hundred miles from Saint Louis for San Atta's office. Sam Muchnick,

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So the trainer arranged for an interview. I had about, oh,

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I don't know, two months left in uh and in school,

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but I had I had one more tournament. I had

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a national tournament. But I went to see I went

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to see Sham before this tournament and he arranged for

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He said, well, first thing he asked. The guy I

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walked in was a guy named Larry Christop. Larry is

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oh ten times the amateur I was. And he never

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got into pro although he actually wrestled pro match the

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first night he was ever added an arena at Tampa.

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They had him fill in for somebody. He wasn't bad,

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although he couldn't work alect. I mean, you know, he

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had a very good body. Anyway, he went on to

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become like a world record coach. He's taking a second

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in the world as a wrestler. Third, he's you know,

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as far as a amateur wrestler, he's well was put

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this way. He was inducted into the SYU Hall of

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Fame in nineteen eighty nine. I made it in two

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thousand and twenty three.

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Speaker 4: Understood exactly right.

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Speaker 2: So he was a little bit ahead of the in

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terms of stacker. But uh, anyway, you know, betterally than never, right,

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So uh, anyway, we went down to see Larry, and

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I went down to see San Mushick. And what was

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funny about Musha says, well, what are you guys doing now?

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And Larry said, well, I've graduated from college. I'm coaching

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at at at a small college. And I said, well,

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I'm just getting ready to graduate from from college. San said,

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were you kinda college grand so why the hell would

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you want to go into pro wrestling? I thought that

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was kind of a weird question coming from the president. Yeah,

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so yeah, that was kind of a weird start. And

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uh but anyway, uh he said about Eddie Eddie can

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A Graham, Well, Sam Masters, he said, look, there's two

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guys that like amateurs. Uh, aren't gown you up in

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Minnesota and Eddie Graham in Florida. Now, I grew up

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in Michigan. In fact, that's where I am right now.

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I've got four blankets on me and and he is

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out guess where? I asked, Oh, I could he could

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have told me that stating himself in the four Horse

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of the Apocalypse where the promoters in Florida. I'm still

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want to have said, I'll take Florida, thank you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a that's true Michigan or heading to Florida

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as soon as you can.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, So any any Eddie came to the last tournament,

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Eddie Graham, and he brought Buddy Fullner with him, was

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a partner. Yeah, Ron Holk's dad and uh anyway, uh uh.

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Eddie invited me and this Larry Christa to come down

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to He would pay for us to fly down and

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to a master of Tampa. You know, we could buy

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right in Tampa, watch the matters that night at porta

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Omer yesterday Armory, and then get back on the plane

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the next day and go back go back home, which

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for both others were Southern Illinois. So we did. We

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went down there, and I liked it right away. I knew.

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I knew, and I'll tell you why. Because I wanted

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to travel. That's why. I one of my teammates and

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Larry Highne and me who became Lars Anderson. And I

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met Larry back a way back in nineteen sixty four

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at the Olympic trafs. And so four years later I

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hear that that Larry is turned pro. Now he's large. Anderson,

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he's driving a Cadillac, he's looking. Group was great, he's

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got diamond ringe and he made forty eight thousand dollars

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or something in two years, and back at ninety sixty eight,

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that was pretty serious money. So but both the city.

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Also that he had been to Japan in Australia TWCE, right,

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and when I and he'd only been in a business

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a couple of years. When I heard that, I said, Okay,

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that's what better way rather than decided to be a

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worker for the government and work my way up to

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bureaucracy to where maybe I could get an assignment overseas,

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you know, or travel someway or some foreign not as

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an agent, but some envoy or something. I can travel

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with an athlete, you know, like I'm a pseudo athlete,

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but you know, in an athletic mode I like to

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call a wrestling dramatic the medical Yeah, with a few

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a little taste of the twilight zone, next end of

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the next, once and wrong.

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Speaker 4: Bob, I canna tell you we cherish that about your perspective.

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We can't wait to talk to you about that kind

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of appropriate characterization of the business because you've always been

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so clear about that. But so I guess, so you're

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taking with the travel options and you end up going

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to work for Eddie. When seventy was it two to three?

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Speaker 2: I graduated in June and I was in Florida by

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late July and started training and within. I don't remember

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exactly when, I don't remember the date of my first

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night said I should have all that of stuff. But

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I'm not like Jim Cornett, who, and this is a compliment,

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Cornett has been a great history Yeah yeah, owing stuff

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and love of stuff that should endure, and a digital

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digital age it will, you know. But like years ago,

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I do sometimes flip flop around a little bit. The

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Lufez and Trego's museum, they had a flood and the

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basement it came up through the drain you know, the

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the drain pipes that are supposed to take water out

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the water the pips underground flooded and it forced water

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up through those pipes about three feet into the basement

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at the museum and ruin just a crapload, just a

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whole bunch of hay firs stuff, you know, a one

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hundred year old or fifty year old programs and all

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that kind of stuff. So when I say digital digital

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is forever, you know, as long as we destroyers t somehow.

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But uh, anyway, yeah, so I didn't right away that

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I wanted to do it. I wanted to travel. Lary

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went back to coaching and it was good for that

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he did. He became one of the greatest. You know,

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he coached the Rootine two or three times. But that

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was not my stick. That was his. You know, mine

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was I wanted to travel and I got to do it.

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You know, I got to go to the Japan my

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first year in Australia pretty early, and uh, while I

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was shown, I mean, I was a Neil fight. I

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didn't know how to worked very well. But I could

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get by, yes, but I couldn't. I wasn't good at

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leading the match until after it took. It took a

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stand out there, amroll. Uh well, especially when a couple

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of the babyfacers are trying to get me killed by

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doing things like having me chase them out into the

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audience and they had to be Hispanic, and ninety nine

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percent of the audience is Hispanic, and they have me

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because then I'm a heel. But I'm too green to

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realize I should go nowhere near that audience. They would

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have come on follow me. I'd think my way through

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the audience that I don't have ninety seven staggerings in

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me in my first week in Texas America.

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Speaker 4: That's that's a quick education. Wow, So when you went

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to Florida. Did you did you get taught? I mean,

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because we've heard a lot and we'll talk about it.

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You know, Terry has his whole story about Matt Suda,

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and it sounds like you kind of played a similar

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role before Matt Suda getting people initiated in and testing

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them out. Who got you ready to wrestle in Florida?

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Because they're not testing Bob Roup the way they tested

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some of these guys who couldn't go amateur off the streets.

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Speaker 2: That should tried me twice. Really, I didn't know when

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I met him. He was very very cold in terms

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of like just matter hell o, but I'm not you know,

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didn't shake hands for not He had points in the office,

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so you know he was managed that I was new

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as far as he knew. I, you know, not a

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lot of not a lot of some amateurs didn't have

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the right attitide when they came in. As soon as

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I finished and got my last award. In fact, after

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I had my last match, I wanted Tom across the

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street drag two pictures of beer. My amateur career was over.

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I mean, I've been drinking beer. You know, I never

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had a beer during the season. But I mean I

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didn't go out and shoot Heroin while I was joined

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or anything. But it was appropriate because what I met

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any Grayman bluddy for I was drunk.

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Speaker 4: So they knew what they were getting into. So Matt

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Suda tries you in what sense? He tries to hook

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you during a scrint like a grappling session.

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Speaker 2: Or we said we go up? What I mean we

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would go on our feet. I mean, no, hello, just

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me and him, nobody else around. It's before nine o'clock.

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Charlie Lay had no office hut, and uh, it's just

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me and Ann. We said we we go up, so

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we're on our feet. He was about two twenty. Now,

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don't get me wrong, I really grew a lot of

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respect and affection for hero but he couldn't do it.

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I was two seventy and I just you know, Olympics

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had just my last term, had only benefited much before.

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There was no he couldn't touch me, he couldn't do

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a thing, and I could take him down it well,

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so we did that. We went forty five minutes, and

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you know I could stall because he couldn't muscle me

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because I was stronger. So if I had took him

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down a few times and I needed to take a

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you know, take a little short thirty seconds. I would

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just you know, hold him off. Greco Romans. I was

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Greco Roman in the Olympic. Yeah, I said, very defensive sport.

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You're very good at muscles. You defend. You got back

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muscles and bucks muscles and hamstrings to resist people trying

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to fish you. So Hero couldn't do much with me.

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He wasn't quick enough to get underneath to get a

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leg or anything. He couldn't body lock me. So after

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forty five minutes, he just said to have Charlie call you.

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So I met him again and next week another forty

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five minutes. Wow, And then he still couldn't do anything.

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Things He said, you go down. I got down the

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referee position. He put his hands on my back and

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as soon as he tat, he got the back of

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his knee on my achilles tendon. And that that story

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about getting hurt, if that happened, that's probably what happened, really,

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and it's probably what happened. And what Hero was doing. Now,

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what he did, he got the knee and he waited

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to see. And what I did is I went the

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way that his knee hit my ankle, my tendon. I

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went with the force out against it. I went with

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the force. So what he did is he pressed my

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ankle into the mat. But he didn't twist it. He

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was just he just had his knee on it. Meanwhile,

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I turned, I've gabbed him by the hair, and I've

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got one thumb in his eye. Now I've got on

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his eye, not in his eyes. And I'm letting him

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know if you don't change your head a serious, hear, are,

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you're going to be looking at things a little bit

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differently about while a second from and uh, he he's

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topped neatly. He got up. He said, now teach you.

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I'll teach you some holes. He starts showing me hooks.

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Once I saw it took. He needed to know I

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could defend myself, got it, and uh that he didn't

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have to worry about me having if I took on

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challenges or anything, I wouldn't. You know, if I can

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handle handies you enough, he can handle most people. Uh.

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Then he knew I was okay. And he taught me

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about fay shock and you know some of the standing

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holes and you know, stuff over toe hold and stuff

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like that. My name read for wanting to learn them.

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I wanted to be able to protect myself. I didn't

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want to not know. I had heard about guys. Uh.

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I mean Trego's the guy in the Hall of Fame

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with bez or the name of this. He heard a

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kid so bad but restlock arm. He tore everything in

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the arm the kid had had the army. Oh my goodness,

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because I guess what happened. I guess what happened is

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one of the upper bones went through the skin. Oh

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I see, and so I got infections.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so I'd love on that. On the Hulk story.

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You mentioned the Hulk story, I'd love your opinion. Not

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that you were there the day this supposedly happened between

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Hulk and Metsuda, but you you knew mat Suda, you

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knew his methods, you knew kind of what the ringer

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they put people through. Hulk has always told the story

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that Matsuda, rather than putting a knee in his achilles,

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that he sort of isolated his leg, dug his elbow

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into terry shin, and then pulled up on his toe

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and straight broke his leg or his ankle. There's been

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a million different you know, variations on the story. I'd

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love your opinion. Does that sound truthful to you? Does

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that sound like something that he would have made up?

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Where do you Where would you come down on it?

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm thinking it's the first son I've never heard it.

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I've never heard that version. Why would you know? Now?

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I understand, Uh, I understand him wanted to find out

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if Terry could protect himself. But why would he deliberately

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break his ankle or shin or whatever he broke? If?

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I mean, was he teaching him unless he wanted to

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run him off? It might have been. But if you man,

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if you break a bone the gunline, I'd be back

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for six months, right, yeah, right, So maybe it was

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a test to see if he did hurt him, if

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he if he come back, Yeah, I'll tell you what.

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That's who'd I hated by builders? Uh? Here?

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Speaker 4: Oh, now it makes sense, yeah, because that that's always

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what Terry always talks about it as if like, just

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like you said, they actually wanted to run him off,

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you know, because they just didn't like the way he presented.

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He was a long haired rock and roll hippie guy,

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and while he was huge, he wasn't a wrestler.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you talk about Mike, right, Eddy Graham wanted he

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wanted me to break his leg.

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Speaker 4: Let's get it. What did what did Eddie tell you

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to do?

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Speaker 2: One day after TV? Are getting in my cars. We've

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got to go two hundred and fifty miles to get

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to Miami by eight o'clock. I think I was assistant

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booker at the time, but it didn't matter. I was working.

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I needed to be there. And and uh, Terry runs up,

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Lay runs up to the car, you know, looking just

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like he won't as big, you know, And and the europe.

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Speaker 4: He was a lot sentner, but he was.

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Speaker 2: He was a big impressive guy. Comes he He says,

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I there, I'm going to be working out with your Thursday,

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you know. And I said, who'd you talk to any Graham?

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I went to the office, asked Charlie. I said, ring Eddie

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and Charlie Lady. I said, Eddie, this street blond kid. Uh,

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and I'm supposed to be working with him on Tuesday. Well,

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do you want me or we're you're breaking the night?

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He said, no, I want you to break his leg.

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And I said, okay, I hung up. I went out

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and told the cat, I said, I told Jerry. I said, don't,

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I won't be here. I said, all he wants me

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to do is hurt you. Uh, And I took home.

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Now I got to know him a little bit, not much.

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I mean, he was kind of reserved, but he was

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a bass player in a band. And he told me

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about it, and I went one time by myself. We

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had a night off and I want to watch, you know,

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you know, I mean, I don't know why. I just tug,

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just something to do, I guess I took. I went

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by myself trying. It's kind of weird, but uh, anyway,

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I watched. He was a bass player and he wore

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these seven inches. They had those real high shoes in

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you know, the seven inch one.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the platforms yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the platform yeah. And uh, you know he's very tall.

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So anyway, he was also I want to I want

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to see. They did a show in clear Water a

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couple of week or turs later. I went on to that.

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I took my girlfriend and we danced. We danced his music.

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So I knew him a little bit. I mean, he

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never got real close. Years later, I was booking a

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Knoxwell and meanwhile he gets broken in really by hero

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and he gets started and he becomes uh sterling golden

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or I'm not sure.

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Speaker 4: I carry the hulk boulder and then he was sterling golden.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, whatever he was was gone yet. Well, anyway, I

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seen the Tampa you know, shere lives, and Ronnie Garvian

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and Bob Brton Jr. And Malanco myself went down to

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run our position against Graham because we had done we

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started an opposition in Knoxville and sending people in there.

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So we thought it was just symbolic. We might not

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have we might have three people come to the matches,

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but it was symbolic we were running opposition and we

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uh so uh uh. Anyway, I'm back back up in Knoxville.

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I get a call from Terry Gibbs, who was working

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on the crew. I had that he had taken a

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week off or something, you know, and gone back home

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to Tampa. He called me. He said, Bob, I'm calling

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you about Terry And I said, what about him? He said, well,

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he took a year off, he said. I said, he's

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worked out here, said he looks fantastic. He's we came

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about forty pounds a muscle and I said, well that

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sounds great. I said Terry, but I don't have I

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don't have a I don't have a place for him.

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I said to put to put him on the on

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the crew. I have to fire somebody. So, uh, what

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I'll do is I'll call Louis to Lotte was booking

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and for his other territory, which was down in uh

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Lower Oh, I'm kind of think aware, not sious, but

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he had another territory down there somewhere in Tennessee, uh Alabama.

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Uh that that Ron actually Ryan actually left Ron for

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the owner.

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Speaker 4: Of about Southeastern Gulf Coast.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Southeastern left I was running it for you know,

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two three weeks their town, he'd be gone. He was

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down at the other territory working in the ring. And

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you know, I think Robert was they'd take him over

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down there. I think Robert went to Enophing, So I

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think that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Robert Robert was Memphis. So you're so you're saying,

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Terry Gibbs had said, I got this guy, Terry, he said,

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I don't have a spot on the card for him.

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It sounds great. And then what's the next thing, you know,

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as it regards.

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Speaker 2: Hulk, Well, I call I call Louis Louis Tillett. Yeah,

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and I said, can you can you take this sky?

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Can you take his names? Terry Maway. I guess he's

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going to Sterling Gold or whatever I saw I could

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do for him, and and and I guess he went

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over there. I'm my understanding, did do you? And you're in.

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Speaker 4: March seventy March seventy nine, he goes to work for

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Ron Fuller in Dothan and Mobile, Alabama. And within a week,

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within a month or two, he's wrestling Andre the Giant

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in Dothan and selling out. And he's wrestling Harley for

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the NBA World title in a high school football stadium

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that summer in Dothans. So yeah, Ron went all the

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way with him right away on Louis Tillette's uh, you know,

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recommendation and belief and that he could be an attraction

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because of how big he was.

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Speaker 2: Well, I got in that booking, look at that, and

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now here's the deal. A couple of years here's where

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I was going with it. A couple of years later,

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when we did the tough Man contest Garvin and Orton

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and I Michael was too old. Garvin and Orton and

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I entered just tough. They were having a tough man

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contest at oh that place in camp I can't think of.

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It doesn't matter.

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Speaker 4: It's like people off the street testing themselves and like yeah,

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like a big fight, yeah, like a tough man.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well it was a tough man contest. It was

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very early in the days of it. I mean it

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was all man. They were brutal. We decided to enter

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the tough man contest, and the guys who were running

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the contest were a traveling thing. They didn't know that

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we were wrestlers for wrestlers, or they were never acceptance

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because we would you know, if one of us one uh,

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you know, people might say, well for wrestling, it's the

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whole thing was rigged, you know, uh, guilt by you know,

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like association in their own mind. So and and uh,

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what we were what we were trying to do was

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if we, as amateur or as pro wrestlers who entered

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a tough man contest, why isn't Mike Graham and you

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know Steve.

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Speaker 4: Kurrent Championship Wrestling right champions Local.

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Speaker 2: That was our way of showing some defiance, right, like

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we're uh so uh anyway, and then I didn't I didn't.

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I it was. It was while we were in Tampa

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that we were at a bar one night and I

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saw Cherry and he looked great, and he had become

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he'd gotten over now. And I walked up, telling me

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to talk to some girl. And I walked up and

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I might have said, high Terry. He just me, he

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didn't speak.

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Speaker 4: He what again, Bob? Can you repeat that?

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Speaker 2: He just snubbed me snubbed He didn't even he didn't

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he didn't know. It would be like an inviserable person

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walked up. Do you think now, do you think nervous?

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Speaker 5: Made him nervous?

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Speaker 2: No?

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Speaker 4: No, okay, he wasn't.

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Speaker 2: He wasn't Terry Bowley anymore. I walked up and said, Hi, Terry.

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H he wasn't Terry anymore. Think about it. That's my

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way of forgiving him for ignoring me. He couldn't the girl.

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He had introduced himself to the girl I'm sure the

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Stirling Golden or whatever I think, or maybe now if

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she knew he was let me ask you, have you

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said did you talk to uh? Did they talk to

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him when he was Terry? Or do all of them

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know him as Hulk?

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Speaker 4: Now we talked to plenty of people who kne him

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as Terry. Yeah, I mean he wasn't. He wasn't Hulk

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until the end of seventy nine when he went to

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New York for the first time. We're talking earlier in

471
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seventy nine, So he was only Terry and or Sterling Golden.

472
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:18,720
Speaker 2: At the end when he admitted about you know, how

473
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:22,200
what did it cost and all the operations? Was he

474
00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:24,000
doing it a talk or was he doing.

475
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a great question. That's a that's always a

476
00:28:28,039 --> 00:28:30,319
hard one. I mean, you know, if he gets if

477
00:28:30,319 --> 00:28:31,960
he puts his foot in his mouth, that was Hulk.

478
00:28:32,079 --> 00:28:34,720
If he was if he's praised for it, that was Terry.

479
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:37,319
Speaker 5: That's the same from from what I From what I've heard,

480
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,680
you know, he was he was Terry inside his house,

481
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,039
and then when he shut the door and he was

482
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:43,839
outside the house, he was Hulk.

483
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 4: That's what I've heard.

484
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:50,319
Speaker 2: Of course. Yeah. Well, and on the TV show he

485
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:55,680
had to kind of the Hulk in the house too, Yes, exactly. Yeah.

486
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:59,440
I often wondered about that because I mean there's a

487
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,680
whole uh you talk about when I talk about the

488
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:08,960
filight zone, you get guy who's who's a persona that's

489
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:14,920
been invented and created through a series of years of

490
00:29:15,119 --> 00:29:19,200
lying about how tough they are, and there years of

491
00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:24,559
going out and doing athletic uh theater and making people

492
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:27,720
think they're tough, and reality, their wives can kick the

493
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:32,599
ship out of them. So especially when he goes they're

494
00:29:32,599 --> 00:29:35,400
stupid enough to get you know, slacker around and goes

495
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:38,720
see and she she resumed to fight with a baseball

496
00:29:38,839 --> 00:29:39,720
match of the crew.

497
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:40,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, that'll do it.

498
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:45,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, usually not usually one is a fight right away.

499
00:29:45,160 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 4: But uh, that's great stuff. Can I ask you, Bob,

500
00:29:48,519 --> 00:29:50,319
before I forget and before we move too far away

501
00:29:50,319 --> 00:29:52,039
from it. You had said right away when we were

502
00:29:52,119 --> 00:29:54,519
asking you about Terry, you know, and Matt Suda, he

503
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:57,039
said Eddie hated him. And while I got the story

504
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,880
as to what he said to you, what I don't

505
00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,000
understand is why did Eddy hate him?

506
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:03,279
Speaker 2: Because you're hippie?

507
00:30:03,559 --> 00:30:04,119
Speaker 4: Is that simple?

508
00:30:06,559 --> 00:30:09,799
Speaker 2: Yeah? Eddie was so he was Eddie was so conservative,

509
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:17,599
he was almost a fascist. Oh I see, yeah he Uh, Well,

510
00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:21,599
they tell the boys, they tell the boys what to do,

511
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:24,559
the tell grown men. You tell people are down to

512
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:29,039
the giant. Chris Taylor, you know Chris, you know thurd

513
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:31,799
In the Olympics, you're telling him what to do. You're

514
00:30:31,799 --> 00:30:33,799
telling then the giant you're gonna go out there and

515
00:30:33,799 --> 00:30:38,039
get slammed or whatever. Now you're not maybe telling him,

516
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:41,079
you're working to figure how the way to ask him

517
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,240
in a way to tell what he will do it

518
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:47,839
and not kill you somewhere in the process. But uh,

519
00:30:48,599 --> 00:30:52,720
but but no, Eddie, power corrupts and that's absolute. I

520
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:56,640
mean in eighty three and thank god I had no power,

521
00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,400
but not totally corrupted either.

522
00:30:59,559 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: So so there you go. Did did Mike? Did Mike

523
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,079
have problems with I was gonna ask that question.

524
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 2: Mike Graham.

525
00:31:07,519 --> 00:31:12,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, Mike Graham had problems with who Terry bulla Hull Cogan.

526
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 2: I have no idea of any contracts at all because

527
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,759
because I ever being together Hogan Hogan.

528
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,519
Speaker 5: You know, in his books and other things, he's like

529
00:31:24,559 --> 00:31:27,079
petrified of of of Mike Graham.

530
00:31:28,839 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 4: He paints the story as if Mike was sort of

531
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,839
a bully. Bully. Yeah, he's three years ahead of him

532
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,319
in school. They had like one of one of Terry's

533
00:31:36,319 --> 00:31:37,960
old friends talked about one time they had the kind

534
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:39,920
of like a bump the shoulder confrontation at a high

535
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:43,599
school football game. It sounds like, uh that perhaps Eddie's

536
00:31:43,599 --> 00:31:45,799
distaste for that hippie rock and roll guy may have

537
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,559
been passed on to Mike, and Mike wasn't too happy

538
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:50,279
to see Terry go as far as he did in

539
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:50,759
the beginning.

540
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:59,599
Speaker 2: Well, I'm speaking, I hated all of the dad. But

541
00:32:00,519 --> 00:32:03,240
you know, Mike coach down Heath that had the he

542
00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:09,920
had the time of Sara sah he he he was

543
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:13,720
a wrestling coach and he coached Mike. I think he

544
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:19,720
coached Terry. Uh. Uh Urry, another guy, Snacks is killing

545
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:27,119
around uh her he's I can't think of his name, straighter.

546
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:32,400
Uh a few of the guys he trained them. Uh

547
00:32:32,759 --> 00:32:36,519
and amateur wrestling. But see, you can teach a guy

548
00:32:36,799 --> 00:32:40,200
for one year, and you can teach him Michael take

549
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,680
down or set out or whatever. But you know, unless

550
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,519
you do it for years. And I'm talking about practicing

551
00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:52,240
every day, uh. And I don't mean just during wrestling sision.

552
00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:54,400
I'm talking about every day of the year. I mean

553
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,039
you take a day off, you know the rest of

554
00:32:56,039 --> 00:32:58,960
your body here and there, but you know your rush day,

555
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:02,720
you swim them or you know, you do something that's

556
00:33:02,839 --> 00:33:05,960
you take a lot you walk ten miles or whatever.

557
00:33:06,599 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 4: But uh said, Mike just trained for like a year.

558
00:33:12,519 --> 00:33:15,559
Speaker 2: I don't know. I'll give you an experience. It was

559
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:22,680
Ron Buller, it was slighter, uh, Mike Graham and Charity anyway,

560
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:27,079
uh anyone, and they to teach them how to protect themselves.

561
00:33:27,079 --> 00:33:29,799
We were the sports or and the snake pit, absolutely

562
00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:34,519
perfect name for it. And so what I was doing

563
00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:39,160
was to show him how to, uh apply the front

564
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,240
face lock because that but here you've got a guy

565
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,599
who's trying to attack you. What's your facing, what's he

566
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,839
going to do? He's probably going to make a die.

567
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,799
That's your legs. So if he does, you know, his

568
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,400
heads right there. If you you know, get your get

569
00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,279
a front face lock and lock it in, you can

570
00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:04,400
you can, uh depending, Well, that's again that's another thing, man,

571
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,119
you better. You're going to have to You have to

572
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:09,559
practice that stuff, and you have to practice it a lot,

573
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:11,280
and you have to do it, and you have to

574
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:15,480
shoot at it. You have to go out for somebody work.

575
00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,400
They're resistance. You're doing them with, not Carl Gosh, because

576
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:25,559
unless you're absolutely suicidal, but somebody quite mass food, you

577
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:28,599
do it as a shoot. Yes, okay, Well we're going

578
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,440
for the fun facelock. That's the hole. Who could get

579
00:34:31,480 --> 00:34:34,599
the front face lock? That's nothing else, just the front

580
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:38,519
facelin or the toe holds. You know, who can get

581
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:43,440
the stuff? You know, who could get the balance stretch? Uh?

582
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:48,679
Which is down on that It's called the guillotine, which

583
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:53,760
is a great name for a move. Uh well actually

584
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:56,840
the one standing up you know where the guys guys

585
00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:57,840
are wrapped around it.

586
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, well sure, ye absolutely, you.

587
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:04,360
Speaker 2: Could never you could never do He could never do that.

588
00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,239
You're an octopus. You could never do that standing out.

589
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:12,280
But man, oh man, that that holds a bit. That's

590
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:15,960
that's a that's a give up hold. But an amateur

591
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,199
wrestling you couldn't give up. And if guys couldn't get

592
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:22,000
some shoulders down, there'd be guys trying to pen themselves

593
00:35:22,039 --> 00:35:23,760
because the hole was killed them.

594
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,199
Speaker 4: So so Mike is going through these paces? Is that

595
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:27,639
sort of.

596
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: Mike was never tough? Yes, Mike was never I never

597
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:40,000
saw him flight like a fistfight. I never saw him. Uh.

598
00:35:40,199 --> 00:35:44,639
One day you had Danny Hye, you had Kazo Visuri,

599
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:50,440
you had Billy Robinson, you had me, Bob Morton Jr.

600
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 4: Uh Else Mike was there. I take it.

601
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, you have some top guys and

602
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,440
some pork had been Ronnie Uh, Ronnie Hill had a

603
00:36:03,519 --> 00:36:06,119
school down there in Florida and he used to train guys.

604
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:10,440
And you know, Ronnie was a retired wrestler and he

605
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:13,480
was doing what so many guys do. He just started

606
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:16,440
to school. And you know, Ollie Anderson and Jane did

607
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:20,199
it while they were still wrestling, and Jenny Day did it.

608
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:24,880
Had a great school up there in Virginia. And uh so.

609
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 4: All these tough guys and Mike.

610
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,599
Speaker 2: Well, Eddie resented the fact these guys would come out

611
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:36,280
of a school there in Florida. They be there here

612
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:40,360
of course, and not everybody, but they go around and

613
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:42,719
people would ask the ball are you what? Are you

614
00:36:42,800 --> 00:36:46,199
a wrestler? And they say yes. Well, Eddie was trying

615
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:50,320
to project the Savings did his wrestling because he had

616
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:55,760
people like Jack brisco National champion, Dale Lewis, uh two

617
00:36:55,880 --> 00:37:01,800
town Olympian, Bob Group and Olympian Danny High, National, three

618
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:06,880
time national champion, undefeated, Jack Briscoe, Jerry Brushow. Because he

619
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:11,480
had people like us. Now we weren't the draw we

620
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,360
were doing and you needed dimmick people. You need to

621
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:17,960
have doulah and you needed you know, uh, you needed

622
00:37:18,159 --> 00:37:20,840
people with the girls. You needed gimmicks, and you need

623
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,760
a whole card to draw. You know, you didn't have.

624
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,760
He didn't have a card up and down of all shooters.

625
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,400
But just one day at Disportratory and they had all

626
00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:33,079
those guys there and this was this one kid who

627
00:37:33,119 --> 00:37:35,480
looked good. He might have wanted have been a great recruit.

628
00:37:35,639 --> 00:37:37,840
I mean, he looked like a young running garb and

629
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:41,079
he was handsome, and but uh, they wanted and he

630
00:37:41,159 --> 00:37:43,760
wanted him a lesson made of him because of he

631
00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,320
got trained over there at Ronning Hill School. So they

632
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,599
were uh, they started ganging up on him, and uh

633
00:37:52,039 --> 00:37:54,880
the first move, Billy Robinson wanted to start with him,

634
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:57,239
and Billy pushed him in the ropes and went the

635
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,159
head by him, and the kid was looking for it

636
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:03,159
and you reared back where Billy head kind of hit

637
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,280
him in the chest, and the kid shoved and Billy

638
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,880
tholl right on his ask if I'd have been shooting

639
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:09,960
Billy sitting there right in front of him, if I've

640
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,599
been shooting with him, I have kicked him right in

641
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:14,639
the face. And the fight would have went over either

642
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,760
got him in the neck or the mouth and you know,

643
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:20,559
the eyes or someplace, and I fa didn't work out

644
00:38:20,599 --> 00:38:23,920
him and stop. And while he's trying to give up

645
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,280
down because his wife, A guy gives you an advantage. Yeah,

646
00:38:30,599 --> 00:38:32,480
he's you know, saying, you're in a fight with a

647
00:38:32,559 --> 00:38:35,639
guy and he's got brass necks around. All of a sudden,

648
00:38:35,639 --> 00:38:38,000
he just sits down in front of you.

649
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:40,199
Speaker 4: You got to go for it, yes, exactly. So were

650
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:41,840
you trying Are you trying to tell us, Bob that

651
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,480
Eddie wanted Mike to come off as one of those shooters?

652
00:38:45,559 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: Yeah? I see, yeah, uh no, no, not not really.

653
00:38:51,519 --> 00:38:55,840
He wanted Mike, wanted Mike to be able to protect himself.

654
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,639
He wanted he wanted Mike to be more than Yeah,

655
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:06,119
now I'm getting a doctor psychobabble here. Yeah, he wanted

656
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:07,480
Mike to be more than he was.

657
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:09,159
Speaker 4: Yeah.

658
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,400
Speaker 2: And you know there's that old say, and you can't

659
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,480
make chicken salad chicken ship, right, Not that Mike was

660
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:19,920
a chicken ship. But he was small, you know. I mean,

661
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,400
if he had look at Kevin Sullivan, Kevin wasn't much

662
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,039
taller than Kevin was maybe an inch taller than Mike,

663
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:29,880
but he was he had developed his body. You know,

664
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:33,119
Kevin had that big thick back and his chest and

665
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:36,280
his arms and his legs, and he looked like an athlete.

666
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,440
I could go in a ring against him and and

667
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:41,079
feel like I was having you know, just a inches shorter,

668
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:46,239
but you know, and uh, he actually looked more fifth

669
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:48,159
than I did when I was heavy. I mean, when

670
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:50,679
I was carrying too much weight. Sure, but Michael, Mike

671
00:39:50,719 --> 00:39:53,920
wouldn't work out hard enough to get those kind of muscles.

672
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:57,599
Speaker 4: I see. Wow, So the so perhaps those who had

673
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,599
who had big builds might have aggravated him. I also

674
00:40:01,639 --> 00:40:04,039
wanted to go back when you drove away from Terry

675
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:06,519
there that that day when he said, I'll be working

676
00:40:06,519 --> 00:40:09,280
out with your Thursday brother, and then Eddie says, break

677
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:10,920
his legs, and then you don't show up. Do you

678
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,199
think that day where you told Terry I'm not going

679
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,800
to be there is the day that Matt Suda hurt him.

680
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:23,239
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, okay, no no, they didn't. That

681
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,840
didn't happen. That didn't happen while I was there, got it.

682
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:29,400
Terry didn't come around for a while because I was

683
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,639
still there for a while. The thing, all that thing

684
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:33,480
was that should it would have never happened if I'd

685
00:40:33,519 --> 00:40:35,159
have been there? What?

686
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 4: Why is that, Bob? Why wouldn't it have happened if

687
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:37,679
you were there?

688
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:45,000
Speaker 1: He's a lapsed fan wrestling podcast with Jack and and Jpisaro.

689
00:40:53,039 --> 00:40:56,400
Speaker 2: He's the laps Fan Wrestling podcast. The thing, all that

690
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,280
thing was that should it would have never happened if

691
00:40:58,280 --> 00:40:59,079
I have been there?

692
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:02,199
Speaker 4: Why is that, Bob? Why wouldn't it have happened if

693
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:02,679
you were there?

694
00:41:05,639 --> 00:41:08,559
Speaker 2: Because I knew Cherry by that time, and I would

695
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:12,519
have protected him. I see Wow, If I would have

696
00:41:12,559 --> 00:41:18,000
protected him, I would have I would have taken him

697
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:22,599
privately and trained him, or or I would have told him,

698
00:41:22,599 --> 00:41:25,559
I would advise him. Then don't go there, you know,

699
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:30,559
if you know, it's not like you know the Mathia

700
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:32,639
deal where you have to cut off in Japan or

701
00:41:32,639 --> 00:41:34,599
you have to cut off your finger to show the

702
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:37,800
boss at your loyal or whatever. You shouldn't have to

703
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,159
do that. And pro wrestling, I agree you should.

704
00:41:40,559 --> 00:41:42,599
Speaker 4: I had the impression that sometimes you had to do

705
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:44,360
that because Eddie wanted you to. Did you have to

706
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,920
break some bones of people he wanted to never come

707
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,239
back or was is that something you always found a

708
00:41:49,239 --> 00:41:50,280
way around having to do?

709
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:56,639
Speaker 2: I was asked eight times. I never did it. I

710
00:41:56,679 --> 00:41:59,599
did crack a guy's wrists. So although he didn't need

711
00:41:59,599 --> 00:42:03,360
a cat saw. I had a son a couple of

712
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:05,960
weeks later and by accident at the grocery store, and

713
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:11,360
he had on embrace. But I had I had asked that.

714
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:14,760
I told that guy. I had given him fifteen times.

715
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,800
I told him this guy Graham was telling me to

716
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:21,800
kill this guy. This is another one of Ronnie West

717
00:42:22,159 --> 00:42:27,119
Ronnie Hill's proteges. Eddie wants me to kill the guy.

718
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,800
And what had happened? The guy came into office and

719
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:34,000
he didn't look like us. She wasn't. He didn't. He

720
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:38,079
had been trained. But Ronnie Ronnie Hill had smartening up.

721
00:42:38,119 --> 00:42:41,519
It's to the language, you know, like I saved you.

722
00:42:43,199 --> 00:42:45,719
And he came in. Well, the guy behind the desk,

723
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:50,199
it wasn't Charlie Lay the old time pro for fifty years,

724
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:52,880
there was a guy named It was a guy named colonel.

725
00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:58,559
His name was colonel, his rank was colonel. Chaffy was

726
00:42:58,559 --> 00:43:02,119
his last name. He was the guy that had commanded

727
00:43:02,119 --> 00:43:05,880
the armory for the twenty five years that every Graham

728
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:09,480
ran there and when he retired, he asked and Pete

729
00:43:09,519 --> 00:43:12,119
to come to the office and hang out. What happened

730
00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:14,320
one day Charlie wanted to take a leak or to

731
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:17,440
have lunch, left the colonel there and answer the phone.

732
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:21,440
This kid walks in and he starts talking. Yeah, I know,

733
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,400
you know he's start you know, I'm talking. He's trying

734
00:43:24,440 --> 00:43:27,679
to talk like he's smart of the business, and Eddie

735
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:29,199
hadn't smartened the colonel up.

736
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:32,960
Speaker 4: The colonel has no idea what he's saying. Wow.

737
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:38,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, So the colonel calls upstairs. He's asked to get

738
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:40,440
kid to step out. He wasn't a kid. That guy

739
00:43:40,440 --> 00:43:43,079
whos about thirty, asked you to stuff out that stuff

740
00:43:43,159 --> 00:43:46,039
that thinks I might still be on YouTube. I don't know.

741
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:49,400
But anyway, he called upstairs and said, Eddie, did this

742
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,840
guy down here he's taying the business doll fake well

743
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,679
and he's got a twenty five year relationship this colonel

744
00:43:56,440 --> 00:44:02,559
that he's been lying to him about being So he

745
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:05,920
called emergency. I'm coming down here. I'm coming there to

746
00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,239
work because I work in the office a booker as

747
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:13,920
sister booker one of them, and Edie immediately Bob, and

748
00:44:14,039 --> 00:44:18,519
he wanted me to hurt this guy Dad because and

749
00:44:18,639 --> 00:44:20,800
you know when you know, when it showed up on

750
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:26,360
tape years later, I was absolutely stunned. I had no

751
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:29,880
idea of what Eddy did. Was he called Dave Togy,

752
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:34,920
which was his head of production, and one man he

753
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,679
got it all done. Buntel. I mean he had solely,

754
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,159
as you know, the voice, but he was running the

755
00:44:40,199 --> 00:44:43,559
cameras and all the mechanics and the hydro auction and

756
00:44:43,639 --> 00:44:46,960
all that. So anyway, he got Togy down there, and

757
00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:49,480
Togy what you saw on film of me abusing this

758
00:44:49,679 --> 00:44:53,360
guy was only about ten minutes. I had spent the

759
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:58,360
fifteen to twenty before that of getting this guy and

760
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:01,079
putting in these holes where he's and all that. And

761
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:03,599
then I'm not screening, but he you know he'd be

762
00:45:05,039 --> 00:45:07,920
but hey, one's shrinking. But and then I, instead of

763
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:11,159
breaking the one time I had him what I had

764
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:13,039
to crawl, I had him more. I could have done

765
00:45:13,119 --> 00:45:17,440
what uh to his leg? What uh? Trago schedued the

766
00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:21,760
kids arm? I had I had his leg trapped, I

767
00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,480
had figured forward his leg above the knee. I had

768
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,320
his ankle pulled up on the leg with his toe

769
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:35,039
pointing uh in the wrong direction towards the side. All

770
00:45:35,079 --> 00:45:37,679
I had to do was both take a full pull

771
00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,800
on his ankle. I was dislocated his knee. And but

772
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:46,480
depending on how I pulled and how tight I sensed

773
00:45:46,519 --> 00:45:49,079
up that figure four on his legs, I could have

774
00:45:49,119 --> 00:45:51,880
broken both his leg bones and tivvy and the tabula,

775
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:58,880
dislocated his ankle uh and perhaps certainly dislocated his knee,

776
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:03,400
and perhaps both steamer, I could have crippled the guy. Well,

777
00:46:03,519 --> 00:46:06,519
when I was pulling on the guy's leg, you know

778
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:09,039
how your leg bones are bent kind of curved a

779
00:46:09,119 --> 00:46:13,880
little bit. They curved the other way boy, and I'm

780
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:18,559
watching the curving and you know, like four or five

781
00:46:18,639 --> 00:46:21,880
degrees in the wrong direction. I almost got schecked to

782
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,760
my stomach. I had to let oh the guy. I couldn't.

783
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,840
I couldn't go through with it, you know, I mean

784
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:28,599
got it? Now?

785
00:46:28,679 --> 00:46:31,159
Speaker 4: Do you think is Eddie taping this for like leverage?

786
00:46:31,199 --> 00:46:33,719
Like if this guy ever goes goes out and says

787
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:35,239
anything about the business, you got a tape of him

788
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:36,920
getting Like why would he film it? I guess is

789
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:37,360
my question?

790
00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:39,559
Speaker 2: The show to the colonel.

791
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:42,559
Speaker 4: Oh right, that was the point got it.

792
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, the show to the colonel. Couldn't have the colonel

793
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,639
in there. Yeah, they couldn't have the curonel.

794
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,079
Speaker 4: In there watching, watching the session fascinating. Wow.

795
00:46:52,199 --> 00:46:55,960
Speaker 2: No, no, no, he he set this up. The colonel

796
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,400
was in the wrap. Yeah, he wanted that to show

797
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:03,320
to the colonel because the colonel had heard. You don't

798
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,639
think that colonel had heard from one three thousand people

799
00:47:05,679 --> 00:47:09,000
as the best most things. And uh and Andy been

800
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:12,840
telling no, no, our version isn't. Look we got Jack Briscoe,

801
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:17,679
National Champion, Day Lewis, and we got all these guys.

802
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,480
Ours is real. Yeah. And some of those other people

803
00:47:20,559 --> 00:47:24,639
maybe their matters are shady, but on ours.

804
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 4: Was Johnny Valentine in the office. I've heard people say

805
00:47:27,079 --> 00:47:31,440
Valentine was actually the booker when Terry Boulder Terry Hogan

806
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,199
had his first matches in seventy seven on a couple

807
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,280
of shots in the Florida Cercy wrestled Brian Blair a

808
00:47:36,320 --> 00:47:39,039
couple times under the mask as Super Destroyer, and that

809
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:42,639
Johnny Valentine didn't really see anything in Terry Bolea and

810
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:44,960
that that set him back a little bit too. Do

811
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,960
you remember Johnny being involved or was that not coincident

812
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:48,719
with when you were there.

813
00:47:50,679 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: Now what this had been after the plane reck where

814
00:47:53,519 --> 00:47:54,079
Johnny was.

815
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:56,639
Speaker 4: Wheelchair yep, like seventy seven or so.

816
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:01,559
Speaker 2: I don't believe I've never heard of it. But let

817
00:48:01,559 --> 00:48:04,679
me let me also make clear that I was not

818
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:09,760
in contact with anybody, you know when we went. Uh,

819
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,599
when we're in opposition. You wouldn't believe the boys a

820
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:18,320
big tough song, you know, guys wouldn't. We're afraid to

821
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:19,039
even talk to.

822
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 4: It, talk to you, associate with you, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

823
00:48:21,519 --> 00:48:21,960
you were like.

824
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:25,599
Speaker 2: We stepped to the gas station one time and pulled

825
00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:28,079
around the side use of that room, and a bunch

826
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:30,119
of guys that they pulled in to get gas, and

827
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:32,719
a bunch of the guys were inside and we came.

828
00:48:33,119 --> 00:48:36,000
We came walking out of the store and they saw us,

829
00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:39,880
and uh, Carl Cox happened to be with them, and

830
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:41,840
Carl was a buddy of mine from when I worked

831
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,920
out in Texas. And uh, those guys are all scuttling

832
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,239
to get in the car. The guy hadn't even paid

833
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:50,920
fents paid for the gas. He pulled the mouse out

834
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,199
and stuck it in. They were running out of there,

835
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,239
like so they didn't have to admit they even sawr

836
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:00,280
or so you wouldn't have to not talk to us, right,

837
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,400
but not even so high, so they didn't have to

838
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,559
appear to be a coward. And Carl Carl refused to

839
00:49:07,599 --> 00:49:10,360
let him leave. He stood, he was in the back seat.

840
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:12,159
He shoud one foot out on the ground with a

841
00:49:12,199 --> 00:49:15,519
car open, and he said, Bobby, he said, these chicken

842
00:49:15,519 --> 00:49:18,519
ship motherfuckers are too scared to even talk to you.

843
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:20,880
He said, I wish you well, my friend. He said,

844
00:49:20,920 --> 00:49:22,960
I hope you do. I hope you do good. And

845
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:24,159
he got in the car with him.

846
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,519
Speaker 4: Incredible, What a different world?

847
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:27,840
Speaker 2: Now?

848
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:32,039
Speaker 4: Can I actually, I don't want to miss the chance

849
00:49:32,039 --> 00:49:34,079
to ask you this that, this question. And just as

850
00:49:34,119 --> 00:49:35,800
far as time check, we want to be respectful of

851
00:49:35,800 --> 00:49:37,480
your time. Are you coming up on a hard stop

852
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:39,239
in ten minutes or can we go a little longer?

853
00:49:42,639 --> 00:49:46,559
Speaker 2: Uh? You know, my it's you're it's my fault, not

854
00:49:46,840 --> 00:49:47,119
at all.

855
00:49:47,199 --> 00:49:50,280
Speaker 4: No, I'm loving it. I just don't want I'll start

856
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,079
rushing if we only have ten minutes. But if we

857
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,039
can keep going, okay, great, thank you.

858
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:57,079
Speaker 2: I just want to be I've got I got I

859
00:49:57,199 --> 00:50:03,519
got great gimmick going. I've got I've got not it's

860
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,000
not dementia, but right next to dementia, and then the

861
00:50:09,119 --> 00:50:11,760
long life right before, right before, and.

862
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 4: Now we're getting it right before.

863
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,800
Speaker 2: Great. Yes, and I do have Parkinson's, but I you know,

864
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:20,239
what it is is one finger's taken a little. So

865
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:23,239
I'm not I'm not hurting. I feel great on eighty three.

866
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:28,360
Nothing hurts, wonderful. My needs have been replaced nineteen times.

867
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:31,480
When I read that Hulk has nineteen or seventeen or

868
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:35,079
nineteen operations, I often wondered, you know, I did a

869
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:38,039
thing about We're talking back on Hogan again about his

870
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:41,440
whole life if at the end, if he thought about it,

871
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,199
if he wondered, was it worth it? Yeah, you know,

872
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,920
with what he ended up in terms of he had

873
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:53,039
some personal problems in his marriage and his family, with

874
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:58,280
his children, his that son, that wreck that killed somebody

875
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:02,519
or hurt somebody or yeah, you know, and and you know,

876
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:06,360
and being a public figure, it's like a sickness almost,

877
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,480
you know. I mean, I'm not saying he had it,

878
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,599
but we're seeing some of it now with some other

879
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,239
NBA champions that are out.

880
00:51:14,119 --> 00:51:20,519
Speaker 6: There acting really really really fucking championlike uh in Bars

881
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:23,800
and things, and yeah, now this Doug alive, so I

882
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:25,039
wouldn't be I wouldn't.

883
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,639
Speaker 4: Be, understand, But there's a price to be paid for

884
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:32,079
that much spotlight for sure. Yeah, definitely. And in the

885
00:51:32,119 --> 00:51:36,800
final analysis, yeah, we fortunately Terry passed away. It's probably

886
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,199
like a decade before he could be that reflective. You know,

887
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,679
he was still out there, still pounding the pavement, still

888
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:43,719
in front of the cameras whenever he could, almost until

889
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:46,760
his dying days. You're looking for a pay day, yep.

890
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,719
Speaker 2: Well that's what I was curious about. I was curious

891
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:57,360
about if if, the if the all the admissions of

892
00:51:57,519 --> 00:52:02,559
personal frailties and securities and all that with just another

893
00:52:02,599 --> 00:52:04,840
part of the show. That's why I asked you to

894
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:05,719
do it as Hulk.

895
00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 4: It's a great question. I'm not sure anybody knows, but

896
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:12,119
we definitely don't watch him from the sidelines. And you know,

897
00:52:12,159 --> 00:52:13,599
one of one of the people that came up with him,

898
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:16,400
of course, was Ed Boulder, the future Brutus, Beefkke and WWF.

899
00:52:16,440 --> 00:52:18,400
He was friendly with Terry all the way back in

900
00:52:18,440 --> 00:52:22,079
Tampa when when they were teenagers, and as time went

901
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,119
Ed's hanging out with Terry quite a bit in Tampa.

902
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:28,280
Now Ed ed Leslie wrote a book, and you come

903
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:30,599
up in the book as a key kind of figure

904
00:52:30,679 --> 00:52:32,719
when they're playing in the rock clubs and Ed is

905
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,280
there while Terry's playing on stage. I want to read

906
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:38,039
you an excerpt from Ed's book that involves involves you,

907
00:52:38,079 --> 00:52:39,599
and want to see if you have any recollection of

908
00:52:39,639 --> 00:52:42,440
this because you told the story, of course about going

909
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:46,000
to see Terry playing music once, you know, going out

910
00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:47,880
dancing with with your girlfriend. But it seems like there

911
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,280
may have been another time. He remembers being in this

912
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:53,519
club and Joe Lado comes in, Dusty Rhodes comes in,

913
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:56,679
and during the band's break, he rushed over to tell

914
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:59,440
Hulk about all these wrestlers that are here, and Eddie's

915
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:01,719
version as he he tells Hulk, now's your chance. You

916
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:03,760
know you want to talk to these wrestlers. There's a

917
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:06,440
bunch of them out there, and Ed writes, he rolled

918
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:08,480
up his sleeves and walked over to Bob rup who

919
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:11,280
was hanging out drinking with Bob Orton at a table. Hey, Bob,

920
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,880
do you like the music? Bob nodded but didn't say much.

921
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:16,000
I just want to let you know this is Terry talking.

922
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:18,000
I'm also a big fan of you guys, and I

923
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,440
would love to be a wrestler myself one day. And

924
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,280
then the book says Rup and Norton looked him up

925
00:53:22,320 --> 00:53:24,440
and down and nodded. I saw them talk for a

926
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,480
few minutes. The next thing you know, Terry's taking down

927
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:29,800
a number. The band played another set, and then Terry

928
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:31,639
went up to get a drink at the bar. There

929
00:53:31,679 --> 00:53:33,760
was Mike Graham. They both walked out of the bar

930
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:36,760
for a bit. Terry came back in elated. I rushed

931
00:53:36,800 --> 00:53:38,719
over to see what happened. I asked him that, and

932
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:40,960
he said, brother Bob rub hooked me up with Mike,

933
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:43,440
and Mike's gonna set me up with Hira Matsuda. I'm

934
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:46,840
going to go and train with him tomorrow. Do you

935
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:52,800
remember that? Maybe that's the answer right there.

936
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:58,760
Speaker 2: You know what, I've got the perfect I said it earlier,

937
00:53:58,920 --> 00:54:02,320
so I'm not I'm not springing it on your house. Yeah,

938
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:06,119
I said, I got that real close to the thing.

939
00:54:08,199 --> 00:54:10,639
You know what. I might not remember that, but that's

940
00:54:10,639 --> 00:54:12,920
a hell of a story. It's starting to come back

941
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:13,480
to me now.

942
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:13,880
Speaker 4: Really.

943
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't remember that.

944
00:54:19,519 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 4: That's fine.

945
00:54:20,000 --> 00:54:21,599
Speaker 2: I don't want you to. I don't want you to

946
00:54:21,599 --> 00:54:24,199
put anything in your book that. I mean, I don't

947
00:54:24,199 --> 00:54:27,760
know why I would say that. Uh, now you know

948
00:54:27,800 --> 00:54:30,679
what he does. What might have happened this story. He

949
00:54:30,760 --> 00:54:35,840
might have been telling a story twenty years later of

950
00:54:36,039 --> 00:54:38,039
stuff that Terry told him earlier.

951
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,599
Speaker 4: Totally. Yeah, it could be what that party.

952
00:54:41,800 --> 00:54:44,280
Speaker 2: What he said about I'm working out with Bob Roup

953
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:51,119
was exactly what he said when when he uh, after

954
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:51,639
you talked to.

955
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:53,599
Speaker 4: Me, Yeah, when he came up to your car, right.

956
00:54:54,280 --> 00:55:00,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, so maybe you know, like you know, the deal

957
00:55:01,119 --> 00:55:04,199
co A Graham Jell Joe wrestler.

958
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 4: By the time it comes out the other end, Yeah,

959
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:10,840
there's four stories put together. Yeah, absolutely, Okay, Wells And

960
00:55:11,159 --> 00:55:13,159
later in the book he talks a little bit more

961
00:55:13,159 --> 00:55:16,679
about you come up again because after Terry had trained

962
00:55:16,920 --> 00:55:18,960
at the Snake Pit and had you know, about a

963
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,400
dozen matches in seventy seven, then he takes a year off.

964
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,719
Him and ed Leslie go out to Cocoa Beach and

965
00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:26,480
they work in a gym together, they work at a

966
00:55:26,519 --> 00:55:30,280
bar together, and then by seventy nine that's when they're

967
00:55:30,320 --> 00:55:33,079
ready to kind of get back in to the wrestling business.

968
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,920
And Ed writes that Terry had shown him pretty much

969
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,800
everything he'd learned. He was working a little here and there,

970
00:55:39,119 --> 00:55:41,159
and they wanted a debut attack team gimmick where him

971
00:55:41,159 --> 00:55:43,920
and Ed were brothers, and he said the ball started

972
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,800
rolling very fast. After that, Terry talked to Bob Rup,

973
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,440
who he had seen in the early days of the school.

974
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:52,440
He got us a meeting with Jim Barnett, who was

975
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,920
a well known n TOB affiliate promoter in Georgia, and

976
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,800
we showed up to Atlanta in gear as the Boulder brothers,

977
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,039
Terry and Eddie Boulder. Do you remember connecting Terry with Barnett?

978
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:05,199
Would that make any sense? No? No, no, I don't

979
00:56:05,199 --> 00:56:07,320
think so. I don't think he might be thinking about

980
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:10,519
Louis Tillette there. I'm not sure, but or maybe Terry Gibbs.

981
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:12,880
But but it didn't sound But you didn't make the introduction.

982
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,239
You told Terry told you about Hulk Hogan, Right, Terry

983
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:19,159
Gibbs told you about Hulk Cogan. It's not that Hulk

984
00:56:19,199 --> 00:56:20,079
Cogan came to you.

985
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 2: Hey, No, I asked you to snub in the bar.

986
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,400
I never went there. I Hoganim could have showed up

987
00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,079
on my front I should unless you're a collector. Put

988
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:31,719
a newspaper.

989
00:56:34,599 --> 00:56:38,079
Speaker 4: That's the money quote there it is. I love it.

990
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:42,639
Speaker 2: Well, no it's not. You know, the shooting doesn't have

991
00:56:42,639 --> 00:56:44,800
anything to do with it. But the guy that he

992
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:49,280
was snubbing was a college graduate, a veteran, and an

993
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:53,320
olympian and a national champion and all of Americana State

994
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,360
camp in, absolutely an educated man, and he's telling he's

995
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,239
just like, fuck off, I'm not even gonna run. You

996
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:05,159
don't get in front of me. It's not having you

997
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:08,920
brush on my part of false pride. But I mean

998
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:14,880
that I would not be offended. Holy shit. Uh yeah,

999
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:18,280
there was something a mine of a good wonder. Oh

1000
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:27,199
the price Mike Extrand, Yeah, Party twenty seven, forty three,

1001
00:57:28,599 --> 00:57:34,480
Joe flor Ninus sixty, Hawk seventy, all of them money

1002
00:57:35,039 --> 00:57:37,320
by the go to male clinic can buy a wing

1003
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:40,960
to live then and be treated by all the doctors there,

1004
00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:45,440
couldn't save them. So the price they paid for the

1005
00:57:46,599 --> 00:57:48,639
the way they got in there was their bodies, with

1006
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:52,440
their muscles, absolutely, and the price they paid to get

1007
00:57:52,519 --> 00:57:55,280
those muscles was their life.

1008
00:57:56,840 --> 00:57:59,519
Speaker 4: Absolutely glad you said that, because it's you can't talk

1009
00:57:59,559 --> 00:58:02,360
around that. I mean, it's it's too obvious that it

1010
00:58:02,519 --> 00:58:06,159
shaved off decade or two or even more. I mean,

1011
00:58:06,199 --> 00:58:08,239
of course, Mike Hedgcrant had a ton of other issues

1012
00:58:08,239 --> 00:58:10,519
as far as drug abuse and things, but they're all,

1013
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:13,599
you know, it all commingles in some ways. So I

1014
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:15,039
want to I want to fast forward a little bit,

1015
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:17,039
if we could, Bob, because we'd be remiss if we

1016
00:58:17,079 --> 00:58:19,840
didn't talk about how seventy nine doesn't continue to evolve

1017
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:23,280
because while you know, you remember the Terry Gibbs piece

1018
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,159
about hooking up Hulk, and Hulk goes off to work

1019
00:58:26,199 --> 00:58:29,039
for Ron Fuller in early seventy nine and becomes quite

1020
00:58:29,039 --> 00:58:32,079
a sensation. He works for Jerry jar and Jerry Lawler

1021
00:58:32,119 --> 00:58:34,519
in Memphis as well in the summer of seventy nine,

1022
00:58:34,599 --> 00:58:38,599
along with his friend Ed Boulder. While that's all happening,

1023
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,920
and while Hulk is even wrestling Hardley in the Southeastern Territory,

1024
00:58:43,800 --> 00:58:46,119
the Knoxville War is underway, and we've talked a lot

1025
00:58:46,159 --> 00:58:48,599
about this. There's a ton of material out there about it,

1026
00:58:48,719 --> 00:58:50,840
so we have a pretty good grasp on the story.

1027
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,280
But I would like, since we have the opportunity to

1028
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:55,679
speak to you, to get it in your words as

1029
00:58:55,719 --> 00:58:59,000
far as why why you felt first of all that

1030
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:02,440
it was time to split away from from Ron Fuller

1031
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:05,559
and try to run opposition or take the territory. I

1032
00:59:05,639 --> 00:59:07,400
know it has something to do with, you know, keeping

1033
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:10,639
track appropriate track of who's selling what kind of tickets.

1034
00:59:10,719 --> 00:59:13,519
So if you could just give our listeners your perspective

1035
00:59:13,559 --> 00:59:15,880
on why the war really started, that'd be awesome.

1036
00:59:17,039 --> 00:59:22,719
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'd already I've already had a try

1037
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,840
to take over in California with Shire right when his

1038
00:59:26,639 --> 00:59:29,719
local promoters, I mean the people that they him working

1039
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:34,280
with him for twenty years, all came to me because

1040
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:36,719
I had control of the talent. I took him. I

1041
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,960
took Roy. Roy ran everything until I'm not trying to

1042
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:43,559
brag here, but if I was going to be the

1043
00:59:43,599 --> 00:59:46,920
booker and be responsible for drawing, then I had to

1044
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:49,079
be able to want to come up with the idea,

1045
00:59:49,199 --> 00:59:51,599
and I wanted to have the talent. I wanted to

1046
00:59:51,639 --> 00:59:53,800
get the talent. Roy just kept bringing back the same

1047
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:58,639
old people, cold so uh and business was terrible. The

1048
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:01,239
night I got the booking out there, I gave I

1049
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,320
was getting ready to give my notice. Anyway, I tried

1050
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,719
it once before, when when I want with Now we're

1051
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:12,079
back in Maxville. Ron's stealing money, or let's put the

1052
01:00:12,239 --> 01:00:15,440
way money is. I'm not saying. I'm not. I did

1053
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:19,960
not say Ron is stealing money. Money is being misappropriated.

1054
01:00:21,039 --> 01:00:25,960
I brought it to his attention, he said, without ever

1055
01:00:26,119 --> 01:00:28,920
looking me in the eye, he said, oh, I can't be.

1056
01:00:29,199 --> 01:00:32,920
It was his mother daughter team. Uh no, no, no

1057
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:36,280
officials of any kind there to check them out. No

1058
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:43,639
tax people, no athletics, athletic Association officials, nobody there check

1059
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:46,440
them out. And uh and they paid in cash in

1060
01:00:46,519 --> 01:00:51,039
those towns. And yeah, so Ron ron Wright had worked

1061
01:00:51,079 --> 01:00:53,239
for four or five different promoters. They had been working

1062
01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,679
there for forty years. He's the one who showed it

1063
01:00:55,800 --> 01:00:59,039
to me. He showed me it happening, and I watched

1064
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:02,360
it twice more of my shell saw it happening, and

1065
01:01:03,280 --> 01:01:05,800
I want to Ryan put it with it. He kept

1066
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:10,000
denying it. But I had a five percent. I was

1067
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,679
supposed to get five percent of growth. You know what

1068
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:15,360
we drew every week. And I said, well, Royn, you

1069
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:21,079
realize if you unreport, say, you know, even five thousand dollars,

1070
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:24,679
you know you're talking about you know, two hundred and

1071
01:01:24,679 --> 01:01:31,719
fifty bucks from me, and uh so, uh, you know

1072
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,440
it's going on. I'm telling you, I see it going on.

1073
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:38,679
He said no, no, no, no, he just kept denying it.

1074
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:41,960
And I finally said, so I didn't give my notice.

1075
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:45,760
Ronnie Garvin and Malincoln I had kind of a brain

1076
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,039
trust going. I went back and we all lived in

1077
01:01:49,119 --> 01:01:51,840
the same apartment complex, and we could get together. Even

1078
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,079
though Ronnie was baby facing, Larry and I were heels

1079
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,599
of the Lincoln I were heels. He could. We had

1080
01:01:57,639 --> 01:01:59,800
a way we could get together in the same apartment

1081
01:02:00,239 --> 01:02:04,920
without anybody seeing us. So I walked through him. I said,

1082
01:02:05,119 --> 01:02:08,119
I'm going to give my notice. Uh so you'ren be

1083
01:02:08,239 --> 01:02:10,840
stole from Uh you know, people can only steal from

1084
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:13,920
you if you out. I can work anywhere in the world,

1085
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:16,440
I said, I'm just going to give my notice. Ronnie

1086
01:02:16,480 --> 01:02:18,880
Garvin says, Ronnie, who's been there, you know, a year

1087
01:02:18,920 --> 01:02:21,639
and a half years, biggest start. I don't know if

1088
01:02:21,639 --> 01:02:24,800
they had any bigger ones, but uh they might have.

1089
01:02:24,960 --> 01:02:27,280
But uh he was big at that time. And uh

1090
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:33,159
Ronnie said, uh, let's take it. That's what he said,

1091
01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:33,760
Let's take it.

1092
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 4: Let's take it.

1093
01:02:34,519 --> 01:02:40,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I stood your territory. He said yeah. I looked

1094
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:42,960
at my ank car. He said, what do you think, Clarry?

1095
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:47,519
He said, yeah, I said, these two veterans my Michael

1096
01:02:47,559 --> 01:02:50,440
had been in the business thirty years. Ronnie's been in

1097
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,400
the business ten years before I had. So here are

1098
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:56,519
these two veterans are saying, let's take it. But what

1099
01:02:57,440 --> 01:03:00,559
we were stupid. We didn't have a team be wrapped

1100
01:03:00,639 --> 01:03:04,039
up before we get it because we were worried about going.

1101
01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:07,719
If we went to our TV, the words would get out,

1102
01:03:08,920 --> 01:03:12,320
and so I don't know, we shrew up, but it

1103
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:16,840
didn't work. Now that being said, I'm here talking to

1104
01:03:16,920 --> 01:03:20,079
you guys right now. I'm very happy doing that. And

1105
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:21,239
life is good.

1106
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 4: Yep.

1107
01:03:22,239 --> 01:03:24,880
Speaker 2: I had two sons in the house about love. That

1108
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:29,360
we're going home together and life is good. Uh. That

1109
01:03:31,119 --> 01:03:37,199
that that mental thing for some reasons. You know what

1110
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:43,039
my memory, my memory is saying, listen, Bob, I've been

1111
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:45,880
a year beck and call for eighty three years from No,

1112
01:03:46,360 --> 01:03:47,400
just fucking forget it.

1113
01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 4: Just forget it. Yeah, wouldn't that be a luxury?

1114
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:52,519
Speaker 2: Be a joke?

1115
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,920
Speaker 4: I remember I saw Runs talked a little bit in

1116
01:03:58,000 --> 01:03:59,760
interviews over the years about the whole thing, and he

1117
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:01,800
he said that you know, in addition to what you're

1118
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,920
saying that he completely denied that anyone could be stealing

1119
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,840
the money. You know, he says that actually he didn't

1120
01:04:06,960 --> 01:04:10,480
have control over who actually counted tickets and collected tickets

1121
01:04:10,519 --> 01:04:13,400
at the at the Knuxville Coliseum, so he kind of

1122
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,519
felt like, no, no, yeah, no, it.

1123
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:21,039
Speaker 2: Wasn't the coliseum. It wasn't it wasn't. Uh uh the

1124
01:04:21,159 --> 01:04:22,159
DWKE Kentucky.

1125
01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,119
Speaker 4: Town, oh I see, okay understood.

1126
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:28,960
Speaker 2: Said there were Saturday nights yep, any town where the

1127
01:04:29,079 --> 01:04:33,000
mother daughter, and there were spots shows. Yes, they wouldn't

1128
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:35,400
have like a high school gym is not going to

1129
01:04:35,480 --> 01:04:38,679
have their own box office for wrestling that right. You know.

1130
01:04:39,920 --> 01:04:42,719
All Ron needed was the mother and the daughter. And

1131
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:45,599
he had a guy I can't remember his name. He

1132
01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:48,119
had a guy that was kind of security, you know,

1133
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,039
a man there that kind of watch the money and

1134
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:55,400
make sure everything. And Mike McMurray, the referee, had ten percent.

1135
01:04:55,519 --> 01:04:58,039
I didn't know that until about a week ago. Really.

1136
01:04:58,199 --> 01:05:02,519
Uh so he was yeah and Mac was Mac on

1137
01:05:02,679 --> 01:05:09,559
the almost pay days. Uh uh? Both both towns that

1138
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:11,880
the same same letter.

1139
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:12,320
Speaker 4: Same letter.

1140
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:17,119
Speaker 2: Okay, uh, they do that the talents would draw uh,

1141
01:05:18,159 --> 01:05:22,559
maybe twelve thirteen, fourteen, grand right, and they were always

1142
01:05:22,639 --> 01:05:25,039
They're always good. Because then I went there. I think

1143
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:30,800
I think they went there one sort well maybe once

1144
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:35,320
a month, might have been one story two weeks, because

1145
01:05:35,400 --> 01:05:37,639
I don't think. I don't remember running the Kentucky Town

1146
01:05:37,800 --> 01:05:39,119
every every show.

1147
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,719
Speaker 4: Every Yeah did you how was it? His booker in

1148
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:44,480
Knoxville for you, Bob did what was did you have

1149
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:47,480
trouble drawing runs? Kind of makes it seem like Knoxville

1150
01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:49,519
was struggling at the time the war happens, and that

1151
01:05:50,079 --> 01:05:53,000
you know, the card the cards weren't drawing, and he's like,

1152
01:05:53,079 --> 01:05:55,400
you know, you were sabotaging the cards trying to get

1153
01:05:55,639 --> 01:05:58,440
attendance down. Yeah, this is you've probably heard them.

1154
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:03,320
Speaker 2: I listened to you know, I tried to listen to

1155
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:10,440
his his stuff, and I heard the one I picked. Yeah,

1156
01:06:10,559 --> 01:06:16,519
because call it name calling. This I was a playground

1157
01:06:16,599 --> 01:06:19,719
supervisor when I was mister Mount for my kids after

1158
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,400
I retired, and just you know, the first or second

1159
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,360
graders to college other names, Oh here, nanny, Nanny booboo

1160
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:30,199
and all that. Yeah, so Ron Fuller was calling me names.

1161
01:06:31,480 --> 01:06:34,280
But the first tape I turned, he had to deal

1162
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,480
where you know, write the right the fans, but his

1163
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,000
very interested fans for his show of the Tennessee Show,

1164
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:44,119
they had to write end. So the very first start

1165
01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:46,119
of the show was he's going to read or write it.

1166
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:49,360
So he had his co hosts. I don't know what

1167
01:06:49,480 --> 01:06:52,880
to call the guy who opened the show for him,

1168
01:06:53,519 --> 01:06:56,119
I had him a letter or read the letter to him,

1169
01:06:56,280 --> 01:07:00,559
and the letter is, why is Bob broops? That's a dick?

1170
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:08,880
Why why is Bob such a dick? That's the opening

1171
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,599
question on the fucking tip.

1172
01:07:13,639 --> 01:07:14,639
Speaker 4: Straight down the fairway.

1173
01:07:14,719 --> 01:07:18,360
Speaker 2: Right, there's supposed to be eight or ten hours of

1174
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,760
this shift. I'm going to listen to this kind of

1175
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:24,480
ship for eight I don't think so I've heard enough

1176
01:07:24,639 --> 01:07:29,320
got it, So I decided I just forget it now

1177
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:35,679
to be fair, and you guys have good if you

1178
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:37,440
listen to them my podcast at all.

1179
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:38,400
Speaker 4: Yes I did.

1180
01:07:38,679 --> 01:07:41,559
Speaker 2: I did react a couple of times, and I told her,

1181
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:45,719
I told the story Knoxville, and I told I said

1182
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:47,760
some of the things I said to you guys tonight.

1183
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:54,000
But that was that was my first time to speak

1184
01:07:54,119 --> 01:07:59,000
out because frankly, it had bothered me. I'm sure you

1185
01:07:59,079 --> 01:08:01,920
know a long as a lonely voice. I had a

1186
01:08:02,119 --> 01:08:06,239
very small voice on social media because I hadn't worked

1187
01:08:06,280 --> 01:08:09,760
to have a big one, right and uh so to

1188
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:14,440
refute it, what you're doing is you're giving validity that

1189
01:08:14,599 --> 01:08:18,279
these charges could be true. I see, I just ignoring them,

1190
01:08:20,479 --> 01:08:23,319
you know, I'm just saying. But but once we got

1191
01:08:23,399 --> 01:08:25,520
on it. Once Ray and I got on a subject

1192
01:08:26,079 --> 01:08:27,960
and he asked me about it, well, I had to

1193
01:08:28,039 --> 01:08:30,680
tell him. You know, I can't say I don't want

1194
01:08:30,680 --> 01:08:34,159
to talk about it. I had to tell him some

1195
01:08:34,199 --> 01:08:38,119
of the stuff I was telling you about about what

1196
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:42,520
happened Ryan about around had brought around his own destruction.

1197
01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:45,760
He could have been if he'd have been smart. You know,

1198
01:08:45,840 --> 01:08:49,640
it's a compliment. I'm complimenting myself here. He'd have been smart.

1199
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,119
He just said, look, Bob, what about we do this

1200
01:08:54,720 --> 01:08:57,680
until I find out what's going on. Why didn't I

1201
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,000
start paying you five hundred bucks more a week and

1202
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:03,960
give me a month or two to start this out?

1203
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:06,920
Would you do that for me, Bob? Now, if he

1204
01:09:07,079 --> 01:09:10,880
done something like that, I would have accepted. In no

1205
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,560
one it was fucking black, you know, payoff, But I

1206
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:18,479
would have accepted because I could have gotten away, you know,

1207
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:21,000
I could have gotten along with that if the rest

1208
01:09:21,039 --> 01:09:22,960
of the boys ran right, and all those guys they

1209
01:09:23,039 --> 01:09:26,960
knew they were getting screwed. They weren't quitting, they weren't

1210
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:30,439
coming to me and giving their notice. So if he could,

1211
01:09:30,479 --> 01:09:34,359
if Royan's wanting to take care of me. You know,

1212
01:09:34,760 --> 01:09:38,359
my fault was one of my faults was when you're

1213
01:09:38,359 --> 01:09:40,720
a wrestler and you become a booker, you have to

1214
01:09:40,800 --> 01:09:44,399
forget all about being one of the boys. You are

1215
01:09:44,520 --> 01:09:49,319
now management. You are not labor anymore. And if you

1216
01:09:49,399 --> 01:09:51,399
put your heart you leave any part of your heart

1217
01:09:51,479 --> 01:09:54,399
and labor, you're making a big mistake because they'll fucking

1218
01:09:54,479 --> 01:10:00,239
break it. And so I made that mistake and trusted, uh,

1219
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:03,159
you know, I could touch Ronnie, but we trusted Dick

1220
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:07,960
Schlater and not to speak all those dad, but you know,

1221
01:10:08,199 --> 01:10:12,199
he he demonstrated his qualities. Uh he was, Yeah, he was.

1222
01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:14,399
Speaker 4: He took the book. You know, ron has said that

1223
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:16,439
Dick was the one who told him about what you

1224
01:10:16,479 --> 01:10:18,600
guys were doing, and Dick got the book after that

1225
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,119
for ron for the period of time he controlled it. Okay, well,

1226
01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:24,119
that's that's good. I just wanted to, We just wanted

1227
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:26,560
to and again You can refer to Bob's podcast for

1228
01:10:26,720 --> 01:10:28,840
for a lot more in depth commentary, and we talked

1229
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,600
about it as we went through it, but it definitely

1230
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:32,640
wanted to set the stage there. Not to harp on

1231
01:10:32,720 --> 01:10:35,359
it though. But one reason it is important for us, Bob,

1232
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,640
is because you know, as you know, the Plan B

1233
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:41,399
tape got on YouTube and it's just it is just fascinating.

1234
01:10:41,479 --> 01:10:43,520
It is just like this time capsule of an era

1235
01:10:43,680 --> 01:10:46,439
that and I know, JP, you know you're really interested

1236
01:10:46,479 --> 01:10:47,800
in that, you want to be you wanted to ask

1237
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:51,000
about the tape. I mean, I I am.

1238
01:10:53,119 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 5: As as a wrestling fan, you know, I just never

1239
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:02,000
seen when we listened to we watched it and I'd

1240
01:11:02,079 --> 01:11:03,720
never seen anything like it.

1241
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:09,119
Speaker 4: And no, I I I I was curious.

1242
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:10,439
Speaker 5: I mean number one, I mean.

1243
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 2: In the rustling business, it's like Moses bringing down the

1244
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:21,399
tablets and you took him in an under the job.

1245
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:24,079
Speaker 4: Precisely.

1246
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:24,359
Speaker 1: Well.

1247
01:11:24,840 --> 01:11:26,119
Speaker 4: One thing that that.

1248
01:11:27,439 --> 01:11:30,640
Speaker 2: That's about exposing the rusty business flaws. That's that was

1249
01:11:30,720 --> 01:11:33,640
the kind of spun exposure in the rustling busness flaws

1250
01:11:34,359 --> 01:11:36,600
as a threat.

1251
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, because what I found interesting though, too, is that

1252
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,039
you know, over the years and we've we've noticed as

1253
01:11:42,079 --> 01:11:47,399
we've looked at at all sorts of of of newspapers

1254
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:51,119
dating back even to the late eighteen hundreds, and there's

1255
01:11:51,159 --> 01:11:56,640
always been this like like a skepticism that pro wrestling

1256
01:11:56,840 --> 01:12:01,000
is is not on the level. And I just I

1257
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,359
was fascinated that you guys were just gonna come out

1258
01:12:04,479 --> 01:12:08,119
and just say it, and you're gonna you're gonna expose

1259
01:12:08,159 --> 01:12:08,800
it all right.

1260
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:14,880
Speaker 2: There imagine Malanco effect of him. Yeah, you know, he

1261
01:12:14,920 --> 01:12:18,319
hadn't been around. Larry's been around thirty Larry goes all

1262
01:12:18,359 --> 01:12:21,960
over the country. So yeah, that it was man as

1263
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:26,199
a threat. We were we were getting our ass kicked

1264
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:29,479
and we're running out of money to keep running, and

1265
01:12:30,119 --> 01:12:34,520
they were Crockett was sending in people. Uh, Jarrett was

1266
01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:37,239
sending in people, and Graham was sending in people, and

1267
01:12:37,840 --> 01:12:42,199
Barnett was sending in people. So, uh, what we got

1268
01:12:42,319 --> 01:12:46,239
told you about going down and doing the little just

1269
01:12:46,560 --> 01:12:50,119
kind of a fuck you type part of my language.

1270
01:12:50,399 --> 01:12:53,479
Uh with Toddy Grayer, you can edit that out.

1271
01:12:54,399 --> 01:12:55,880
Speaker 4: You can say as much as you want.

1272
01:12:55,960 --> 01:13:01,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then uh uh so we were fighting back

1273
01:13:01,279 --> 01:13:04,119
any way we could. And we thought what we made

1274
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:06,560
a veiled references. If we had made another one. I

1275
01:13:06,720 --> 01:13:11,199
was going to talk about Jim Bynet's personal night.

1276
01:13:11,720 --> 01:13:14,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you may make reference to that as the subject

1277
01:13:14,760 --> 01:13:16,920
of a future tape that I suppose was never made.

1278
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:21,359
Speaker 2: Well, no, we didn't. I don't know what happened. Ron

1279
01:13:21,439 --> 01:13:24,359
Wright set that up. He said we can do this,

1280
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:28,039
and we talked about it, and it wasn't my idea

1281
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,079
I had. I got a lot of the heat because

1282
01:13:31,119 --> 01:13:34,760
I was a booker. Ronnie was the one that said,

1283
01:13:34,920 --> 01:13:38,000
let's take it. In fact, Ronnie was the one Ron

1284
01:13:38,079 --> 01:13:43,079
Buller shoot in court because Ronnie stole a fifteen thousand

1285
01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:47,119
dollars a motor boat from him. All right, you know

1286
01:13:47,479 --> 01:13:52,239
you know that's the story. Yeah, yep, yeah, the dirty Yeah,

1287
01:13:52,279 --> 01:13:55,560
the money in the paper bag story. So there were

1288
01:13:55,640 --> 01:14:00,640
no contract, there was money in paper bag, and me

1289
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:02,920
as a judge, you want me to make a decision

1290
01:14:03,199 --> 01:14:08,600
about whose money that was money? That was right? Yeah?

1291
01:14:09,720 --> 01:14:12,800
Well did the paper bag have oh I belonged to

1292
01:14:12,880 --> 01:14:16,079
Kroger in a Kroger bag to give it to the

1293
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:16,840
Cribber store.

1294
01:14:18,520 --> 01:14:21,880
Speaker 4: The judge also wasn't interested in, uh deciding who has

1295
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:25,840
the rightful claim to a phony wrestling belt, which also

1296
01:14:26,000 --> 01:14:27,439
was part of that battle.

1297
01:14:27,199 --> 01:14:31,800
Speaker 2: Between those two oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, some of

1298
01:14:32,039 --> 01:14:35,000
So that's that's just this is a twilight zone stuff

1299
01:14:35,000 --> 01:14:35,800
I'm talking about.

1300
01:14:36,079 --> 01:14:38,199
Speaker 4: Right, Well, you were saying that it was runs I

1301
01:14:38,279 --> 01:14:39,960
did to do the tape runs I did to do

1302
01:14:40,039 --> 01:14:42,359
the tapes, and you only got one of them done.

1303
01:14:42,399 --> 01:14:47,760
Speaker 2: It sounds like, yeah, well listen, uh I'm going to

1304
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:51,520
be around for a while. Uh please uh And you

1305
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:55,800
know maybe that the D word, even if it progresses,

1306
01:14:56,039 --> 01:14:59,279
there's gonna be some of me. Well, I don't think

1307
01:14:59,359 --> 01:15:02,199
the long term memory is going to be affected. So

1308
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:06,720
please keep me in mind for future shows or you know,

1309
01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,760
if you if you want somebody or just a kind

1310
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:11,479
of you know, I mean a couple of minutes here

1311
01:15:11,560 --> 01:15:18,800
or there. I enjoyed. I enjoyed, you know what, being

1312
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:25,279
on your your the show, aving you guys. Thank Having

1313
01:15:25,399 --> 01:15:30,960
you guys, with your reputation and your credibility authenticate me

1314
01:15:31,359 --> 01:15:34,439
makes me relevant and it gives me respect and I

1315
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:35,239
appreciate that.

1316
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:36,279
Speaker 4: It's a pleasure.

1317
01:15:36,319 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 2: Bob.

1318
01:15:36,479 --> 01:15:38,680
Speaker 4: I'm absolutely You've been more than kind with your time.

1319
01:15:39,079 --> 01:15:41,760
And to wrap it up, can I ask you just

1320
01:15:41,880 --> 01:15:44,319
the other side of the Knoxville thing is seventy nine

1321
01:15:44,399 --> 01:15:47,319
because one of the things that I'm fascinated by is

1322
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:49,960
there's a there's a clipping from a newspaper in Knoxville

1323
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:53,800
November twenty ninth, nineteen seventy nine, all Star Championship Wrestling,

1324
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:56,239
which is the name you gave to the promotion, that

1325
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,479
after you split off and started running opposition, you've got

1326
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:03,039
Bob Orton in Malenko versus Garvin and Man Mountain Dean.

1327
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:07,159
You've got Macho Man Randy Savage versus yourself listed here

1328
01:16:07,239 --> 01:16:09,720
on the clipping, and it also says on that night,

1329
01:16:09,800 --> 01:16:12,119
in addition to Terry Gibbs wrestling, that there's going to

1330
01:16:12,119 --> 01:16:14,720
be a Hulk challenge for five thousand dollars and it's

1331
01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:18,079
going to be Bob Roup versus the Hulk Sterling Golden. Now,

1332
01:16:18,199 --> 01:16:20,920
I'm quite sure you never actually wrestled Hulk, but there's

1333
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:24,399
this indication in this newspaper ad that that it was planned.

1334
01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:25,760
Do you have any memory of that.

1335
01:16:28,640 --> 01:16:31,319
Speaker 2: Let's back up to the stake what you said. There's

1336
01:16:31,399 --> 01:16:34,920
two sentences ago. You're quite sure it never happened. Is that?

1337
01:16:35,039 --> 01:16:37,239
Because of why when we talked.

1338
01:16:37,079 --> 01:16:40,520
Speaker 4: Earlier, because of that, but also since then, there's a

1339
01:16:40,800 --> 01:16:43,479
wrestling website called Wrestling Data dot Com. And it's a

1340
01:16:43,600 --> 01:16:45,960
very comprehensive list of you know, you can look up

1341
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:48,239
by wrestler every match that they've had, and I see

1342
01:16:48,319 --> 01:16:51,359
on that night your list is actually wrestling Randy Savage

1343
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,199
November twenty nine, seventy nine at the Knoxville at the

1344
01:16:54,319 --> 01:16:57,199
Wnox Auditorium. So that also tells me.

1345
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:03,520
Speaker 2: No mention of me sterling exactly right. Well, I use

1346
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:06,399
that same I use that same data. Oh. Sure, that's

1347
01:17:06,439 --> 01:17:09,479
a good that's a good website. Yeah, I mean it's

1348
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:14,159
got it's pretty accurate. I look, I looked at a lot.

1349
01:17:14,039 --> 01:17:19,000
Speaker 4: Of give me the name again, sure, wrestling data dot com. Yeah, yeah,

1350
01:17:19,439 --> 01:17:21,319
so you don't wrestling.

1351
01:17:21,079 --> 01:17:25,119
Speaker 2: Terry, I don't, you know, it seems like I don't know,

1352
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:29,600
I could forget it right exactly. Uh, but you know

1353
01:17:29,720 --> 01:17:32,800
I told you a story about you know, if somebody

1354
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:35,840
had asked me, Okay, I'm we're gonna we're gonna cut

1355
01:17:35,880 --> 01:17:38,079
one of your toes off if you get the answer

1356
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:41,960
on but have you ever wrestled past I pushing Michelle anyway,

1357
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:45,159
I've never wrestled him. They might have come out both

1358
01:17:45,279 --> 01:17:50,800
codes because some guys sent me, hey, twenty minute match

1359
01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:55,520
in the cow Palace. Oh, ship, that's right. I mean

1360
01:17:56,039 --> 01:17:58,479
years ago when I you know, I still had a mind.

1361
01:17:59,079 --> 01:18:00,479
Oh my god, it's wild.

1362
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:03,039
Speaker 4: Because Terry comes, he goes away, he does Memphis, then

1363
01:18:03,079 --> 01:18:06,039
he goes and he goes to Georgia and he becomes

1364
01:18:06,039 --> 01:18:09,039
Stirling Golden on Jim Barnett's TV. And then Barnett buys

1365
01:18:09,119 --> 01:18:11,880
Knoxville from Ron Fuller, and then all of a sudden,

1366
01:18:12,399 --> 01:18:15,680
Hulk is coming back around Knoxville, even though that it

1367
01:18:15,840 --> 01:18:18,079
was sort of part of the Southeastern territory. So I

1368
01:18:18,119 --> 01:18:20,560
always wondered, you know, when Barnett took over Knoxville, if

1369
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,199
you if you had a view on whether Barnett used

1370
01:18:23,720 --> 01:18:25,960
a lot of the Georgia guys in Knoxville after that,

1371
01:18:26,079 --> 01:18:28,399
and if Hulk was part of that. Maybe I noticed

1372
01:18:28,399 --> 01:18:31,800
he wrestled Dick Slater in late seventy nine after Barnett

1373
01:18:31,800 --> 01:18:33,880
took over. Just essentially, you know, what was Knoxville like

1374
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:36,920
and what was the constitution of the roster after Barnett

1375
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,119
took over. If you even concerned yourself with that, I

1376
01:18:39,159 --> 01:18:39,680
don't even know.

1377
01:18:41,399 --> 01:18:49,960
Speaker 2: You know what happened as soon as we we went

1378
01:18:50,079 --> 01:18:57,319
to work with theos and you talk about a nightmare, really, oh,

1379
01:18:57,399 --> 01:19:03,239
my god, oh old man papa, Oh my god. It's

1380
01:19:03,479 --> 01:19:08,359
a horrible, horrible person. And I'm sorry, I mean, I'm

1381
01:19:08,399 --> 01:19:11,600
sorry to speak ill of the dead. But uh, he

1382
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:16,960
was he was something else. So anyway, working with them,

1383
01:19:17,640 --> 01:19:19,479
I felt like a failure. You know, this is my

1384
01:19:19,640 --> 01:19:23,960
second time at trying to do they do in business

1385
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:26,279
all the time. It's coup of hospital takeovers. You know,

1386
01:19:26,399 --> 01:19:29,560
you just ships back around. That's how only got Barnett

1387
01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:33,720
out of Atlanta and hired me. Uh. But once I left, Uh,

1388
01:19:34,760 --> 01:19:38,359
once I managed to Uh, I was working for the papos,

1389
01:19:39,079 --> 01:19:41,760
and I had heard it was a nightmare. I hated

1390
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:45,800
it and I heard it. Uh. We always believed that stuff.

1391
01:19:45,840 --> 01:19:48,960
If you ever went out position, no promoter ever hire

1392
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,000
you in all that bullshit. So I had not even

1393
01:19:51,479 --> 01:19:54,840
bothered to call around. And one day I called. I

1394
01:19:54,960 --> 01:20:00,800
talked to buddy uh uh Mandel and uh I met

1395
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,880
him in before he got started. I met him in Knoxville,

1396
01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,720
and and I like to I like to care and

1397
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:08,960
on around with us. And I don't know if I

1398
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:11,720
helped get him started or not. But anyway, he was

1399
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,840
out there working. I called him. He said, Bob, there

1400
01:20:14,279 --> 01:20:15,960
they need to heal out here. You got a call,

1401
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:21,119
and so I called Watts, but I said, yeah, uh yeah,

1402
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:26,760
here's a starting date. So I was living real low

1403
01:20:26,840 --> 01:20:29,640
on the hog. I had a girlfriend with an apartment

1404
01:20:29,720 --> 01:20:32,640
in Knoxville that I was paying for, and I was living.

1405
01:20:34,079 --> 01:20:37,000
I was sleeping on couches and things and and uh

1406
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:43,079
up up in uh Lexington, Kentucky where the uh where

1407
01:20:43,079 --> 01:20:47,960
the where the office was so uh when I went

1408
01:20:48,039 --> 01:20:51,760
out to uh, when I went out to uh Bill's territory,

1409
01:20:53,119 --> 01:20:55,960
I just slept. I slept on Bob Orton's couch for

1410
01:20:56,039 --> 01:21:01,000
a while. I didn't cash my first uh oh ten checks.

1411
01:21:01,119 --> 01:21:05,119
I don't think I cashed one. And then when if

1412
01:21:05,159 --> 01:21:07,720
I made a positive bank, I think it was like

1413
01:21:08,039 --> 01:21:11,000
nineteen grand or something like that. Because it was good.

1414
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:14,239
Business was good, and Bill got me over right away.

1415
01:21:14,439 --> 01:21:18,039
Speaker 4: Right, so stop. So you wouldn't have You wouldn't have

1416
01:21:18,119 --> 01:21:21,239
worked anywhere near You wouldn't have worked anywhere near Knoxville

1417
01:21:21,279 --> 01:21:23,680
after Barnett took it over, right, This.

1418
01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,399
Speaker 2: Is what I wanted. The reason I told you the

1419
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:30,359
story is between those two I forgot all about Maxwell.

1420
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:33,520
I didn't give a shit about Maxville. Knoxville to me

1421
01:21:33,840 --> 01:21:37,199
wasented like to me. It was like a like a

1422
01:21:37,319 --> 01:21:40,600
new clear a plant that blows up. You know, it's

1423
01:21:40,720 --> 01:21:44,680
like a black hole back everything everything. I'd lost about

1424
01:21:44,800 --> 01:21:48,600
two hundred thousand dollars and not money that I had

1425
01:21:49,640 --> 01:21:52,119
about twenty five of that, but in money I could

1426
01:21:52,159 --> 01:21:56,479
have made. Uh, And you know, left there with terrible

1427
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,279
memories of you know, like I say, going opposition and

1428
01:21:59,359 --> 01:22:02,039
finding out most of the boys wanting to talk to you.

1429
01:22:02,359 --> 01:22:05,079
That's that's kind of hard to take and keep respect

1430
01:22:05,159 --> 01:22:08,479
to the guys once you start working again. So you know,

1431
01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:12,640
my attitude had changed. I had gotten I'd gotten a

1432
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:16,720
big boy pants on and realized that the business is

1433
01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,960
something to make money at and you know, try to

1434
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,319
save some money. And that's what I did. So and

1435
01:22:23,399 --> 01:22:25,920
then I forget. I forgot all about Knoxville.

1436
01:22:26,039 --> 01:22:29,159
Speaker 4: Okay, that's really helpful, because there's the there's that, there's

1437
01:22:29,159 --> 01:22:31,399
the newspaper. And I said, there's also this idea that

1438
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:34,800
once Hulk is Sterling Golden beat you for the nw

1439
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:39,119
A Southeastern title, that that's out there and repeated in reports.

1440
01:22:39,159 --> 01:22:41,199
But the match, I don't know when that happened. It

1441
01:22:41,279 --> 01:22:44,000
didn't happen as far as I can tell. Right, he

1442
01:22:44,119 --> 01:22:45,720
had that belt, but he didn't beat you for it

1443
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:47,960
because that was after Barnett had taken over, and like

1444
01:22:48,039 --> 01:22:52,920
you said, you were long gone from Knoxville, right right, yeah, yeah,

1445
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,359
So he goes and he ends up losing on Christmas

1446
01:22:55,439 --> 01:22:58,399
Night seventy nine to Bob Armstrong. Does Hulk, He loses

1447
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:01,319
the belt, some different belt, did a different bomb, and

1448
01:23:01,439 --> 01:23:03,960
that's it, and he's he doesn't come back to Knoxville again.

1449
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,680
And it didn't seem like he just final question for you, Barbroup.

1450
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:10,359
I mean, it didn't seem like Hulk was it took

1451
01:23:10,399 --> 01:23:12,399
a position in the war, right, It didn't seem like

1452
01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:16,880
Hulk picked Fuller over you or anything like that, because no, okay,

1453
01:23:16,920 --> 01:23:18,560
you didn't try to recruit him or anything like that.

1454
01:23:19,880 --> 01:23:25,439
Speaker 2: No. I remember, I remember one of our last nights

1455
01:23:25,840 --> 01:23:28,920
in Maxville. I went there's a bar all the boys

1456
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:32,560
went to. I went down there by myself because since

1457
01:23:33,119 --> 01:23:36,319
we had gone opposition, we had stopped going there because

1458
01:23:36,359 --> 01:23:40,239
we were like the opposition group, and Slater had become

1459
01:23:40,279 --> 01:23:43,960
the booker and he was like ruling the bar like

1460
01:23:44,199 --> 01:23:47,359
he owned it. And I decided I got I wasn't mad.

1461
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:51,079
I just decided I had some cowboy boots, and I

1462
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:54,319
had a blackjack. One of those ones was about sixteen

1463
01:23:54,359 --> 01:23:59,199
inches long. Our security was a head of a copt

1464
01:23:59,279 --> 01:24:02,079
in Fort Laller. Bill and I got to be buddies

1465
01:24:02,239 --> 01:24:04,359
after working there down there for a year or two,

1466
01:24:04,439 --> 01:24:07,399
and he told it to me. Here, gave me one.

1467
01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,720
He said, take this, you might need it sometime. Well

1468
01:24:10,760 --> 01:24:13,560
I put that years later, I put that in my

1469
01:24:13,720 --> 01:24:17,079
boot and I went to the bar by myself. You know,

1470
01:24:17,119 --> 01:24:20,760
if I went in there with Ronnie and Bobby, you know,

1471
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:25,720
Bobby Orton Jr. And ron and Milenko, maybe with a chain.

1472
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:30,840
Uh uh. You know we're going in there to have

1473
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:34,439
a fight. No, that's not the way to go. By

1474
01:24:34,520 --> 01:24:36,560
going in there by myself. I was trying to show

1475
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:38,920
him that. You know, I wasn't scared of what I did.

1476
01:24:39,079 --> 01:24:41,880
Is I four straighters hand. We've been running ads in

1477
01:24:41,960 --> 01:24:46,479
the paper lights out match after our matches, Uh loser

1478
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:50,600
or loser or a person who doesn't show up as

1479
01:24:50,640 --> 01:24:53,119
a chicken. We were running in the paper every weekend.

1480
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:56,920
I was challenging Slater to slice out match. So when

1481
01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,039
I went to the bar, I knew he would be

1482
01:24:59,119 --> 01:25:02,840
in there. He had to challenge me and I I

1483
01:25:02,960 --> 01:25:06,079
didn't get all the satisfaction I wanted, but I did

1484
01:25:06,199 --> 01:25:08,840
get to whack him and bust Molten with that black jack.

1485
01:25:09,079 --> 01:25:10,359
Speaker 4: Wow wow.

1486
01:25:11,039 --> 01:25:13,840
Speaker 2: And he never he never put he never put a

1487
01:25:13,920 --> 01:25:17,439
fender on me. H. And the next time I saw

1488
01:25:17,560 --> 01:25:20,479
him through three years later, I was booking in Florida,

1489
01:25:20,600 --> 01:25:23,159
walked in the dressing room. I was lookome to say, well,

1490
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:25,520
I wonder if she's holding the grudge or anything, but

1491
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:30,039
he actually liked nothing that happened. So, uh, that's another's

1492
01:25:30,079 --> 01:25:31,399
twilight zone stuff, right.

1493
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:34,199
Speaker 4: Well, we want to thank you for getting us acquainted

1494
01:25:34,279 --> 01:25:36,960
through your eyes at this twilight zone because we've long

1495
01:25:37,039 --> 01:25:39,840
talked about wrestling that way, and it's fascinating to hear

1496
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,760
someone with such respect and time in the business. Uh,

1497
01:25:43,279 --> 01:25:45,439
just to think of it the same way looking back

1498
01:25:45,479 --> 01:25:47,640
after all these years. Well, Bob Roup, it was a

1499
01:25:47,720 --> 01:25:49,399
real pleasure to have you on the show. We want

1500
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:51,399
to thank you so much for your extended time and

1501
01:25:51,840 --> 01:25:54,079
and testing that memory as best you can. There was

1502
01:25:54,119 --> 01:25:56,920
some great stuff in there, and we're glad you allowed

1503
01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,039
us to sort of put it on the record. Thank

1504
01:25:59,079 --> 01:25:59,600
you very much.

1505
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 2: H Well, thank you guys, appreciate it. Uh, call me again.

1506
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:09,319
I'll probably, I might not be I might not be

1507
01:26:10,119 --> 01:26:12,159
all here, but all neat will be here.

1508
01:26:14,199 --> 01:26:15,079
Speaker 4: That sounds like a deal.

1509
01:26:15,159 --> 01:26:19,119
Speaker 2: Thank you, Bob, all right, appreciate it.

1510
01:26:21,039 --> 01:26:24,279
Speaker 4: PA is a production of the Labs Entertainment Group.

1511
01:26:24,479 --> 01:26:26,960
Speaker 2: Its content is intended for reven use only

1512
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:31,319
Speaker 4: What we want.