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It gonna 22 00:01:08.040 --> 00:01:09.079 cause a tree fall. 23 00:01:09.159 --> 00:01:14.359 Letting five thousand miles away. Man, nobody seen, nobody. 24 00:01:17.560 --> 00:01:19.959 See you don't even know, man, you don't they like 25 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:22.719 you followed at a little story and you got directed 26 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:23.719 like that. 27 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:26.319 That's man, Man, don't like a dang on the panel, 28 00:01:26.400 --> 00:01:27.879 man matter? 29 00:01:27.959 --> 00:01:38.200 Man? All right, Daniel, welcome to Jay Burdens Show. 30 00:01:38.200 --> 00:01:40.840 How you doing, Man, I'm doing great things for inviting me. 31 00:01:41.879 --> 00:01:44.760 Yeah, man, I'm really excited to have you on. I 32 00:01:44.879 --> 00:01:47.280 was sort of vaguely aware of your product or of 33 00:01:47.319 --> 00:01:50.359 your project rather, but it wasn't until I think someone 34 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:53.079 tagged us both on Twitter that you know, we got connected. 35 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:56.120 So if you could for my audience, could you describe, well, 36 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:58.159 who are you, who you are and what do you do? 37 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:01.760 Yeah, my name is Daniel Tiree. I'm the founder and 38 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:05.599 chairman of the Dominion Society. We're a new kind of 39 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:09.280 not for profit organization. We call ourselves a vanguard political movement. 40 00:02:10.319 --> 00:02:13.520 So we're a kind of third party organization that advocates 41 00:02:13.560 --> 00:02:15.360 for what we call on behalf of what we call 42 00:02:15.439 --> 00:02:20.039 heritage Canadians and specifically for a concept called remigration. So 43 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:22.919 this would be the reversal of kind of policies that 44 00:02:22.960 --> 00:02:28.240 have created this mass immigration crisis that's hurting the Canadian 45 00:02:28.280 --> 00:02:33.120 people and undermining our identity. So we look to reverse 46 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:36.599 the kind of trends of those immigration policies in order 47 00:02:36.639 --> 00:02:37.560 to preserve those things. 48 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:42.000 So two things, I'm pretty sure my audience will be 49 00:02:42.039 --> 00:02:46.680 familiar with the concept of heritage Americans. But first, well, one, 50 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:51.719 what is a heritage Canadian? And two, can you, I 51 00:02:51.759 --> 00:02:55.080 guess contextualize what does mass migration in Canada look like? 52 00:02:56.479 --> 00:02:56.639 Yeah? 53 00:02:56.759 --> 00:02:59.039 Yeah, so, I mean the concept would be very similar. 54 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:02.479 A heritage Canadian or is a descendant of the original 55 00:03:02.560 --> 00:03:06.599 kind of settlers of Canada. We draw the distinction between 56 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:12.080 kind of modern economic immigrants and the previous generations of settlers. 57 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:15.360 I think there's something fundamentally different than some between someone 58 00:03:15.360 --> 00:03:19.280 who comes to a hostile wilderness who risks life and 59 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:24.560 limb across open oceans in order to carve civilization from nothing, 60 00:03:25.080 --> 00:03:28.240 versus modern economic economic immigrants who come here to take 61 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:31.240 advantage of our wealth and opportunity, to leach off of 62 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:36.080 our social assistance and so on. So we draw that distinction. 63 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:41.039 So a heritage Canadian is exactly that descendant of the 64 00:03:41.199 --> 00:03:46.919 original settlers, and mass immigration has become a crazy issue 65 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:50.960 across the Western world, but Canada is definitely one of 66 00:03:50.960 --> 00:03:57.000 the top, one of the most radical examples of it. 67 00:03:57.280 --> 00:03:59.639 Kind of white Canadians are becoming a minority in our 68 00:03:59.680 --> 00:04:02.879 in our own homelands, probably as soon as twenty thirty 69 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:06.719 twenty thirty five as a result of these radical policies. 70 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:10.400 So we've seen kind of increasing in immigration trends since 71 00:04:10.439 --> 00:04:14.360 about the late nineteen eighties, started under under Prime Minister 72 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:18.600 Brian mulrooney, and really kind of reached an unprecedented scale 73 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:22.319 under our previous Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, where immigration figures 74 00:04:22.360 --> 00:04:25.480 got up too close to above a million people per 75 00:04:25.560 --> 00:04:29.279 year when you factor in temporary residence like foreign workers 76 00:04:29.319 --> 00:04:33.560 and foreign students in these classes who who will often 77 00:04:33.639 --> 00:04:36.120 kind of find reason to stay or get on permanent 78 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:39.680 tracks for residency as well. So this was you know, 79 00:04:40.000 --> 00:04:42.519 a huge fraction of our population, and almost in our 80 00:04:42.639 --> 00:04:46.920 entire population growth was through immigration. About ninety eight percent 81 00:04:46.959 --> 00:04:50.040 of all population growth in Canada has been through immigration. 82 00:04:50.240 --> 00:04:55.319 In much of the population growth, the domestic kind of 83 00:04:55.319 --> 00:04:59.240 birth rate has been to you know, second third generation immigrants. 84 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:03.160 So we're seeing our are kind of founding stock get 85 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:05.800 pushed to the fringes and all the while we see 86 00:05:05.800 --> 00:05:10.000 our politicians kind of continue to advocate for immigration and 87 00:05:09.759 --> 00:05:13.279 to start playing dress up and pander to foreign ethnic blocks, 88 00:05:13.279 --> 00:05:17.040 which has been kind of corrosive to our politics writ large. 89 00:05:17.199 --> 00:05:21.600 So there's been a huge backlash against this. A majority 90 00:05:21.639 --> 00:05:25.360 of Canadians to the tune of over sixty percent, even 91 00:05:25.360 --> 00:05:28.360 a majority of immigrants are turning against kind of mass 92 00:05:28.360 --> 00:05:32.040 immigration policies in Canada. But it's kind of the zeitgeist 93 00:05:32.079 --> 00:05:33.560 to be like, so, how do we kind of deal 94 00:05:33.600 --> 00:05:36.680 with the consequences instead of actually solving the problem. And 95 00:05:36.720 --> 00:05:39.079 really what we put forward is what we think is 96 00:05:39.120 --> 00:05:41.959 the true solution, which is reversing the flow and sending 97 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:44.319 a lot of people back instead of just kind of 98 00:05:44.639 --> 00:05:46.199 trying to figure out how to live together. 99 00:05:48.319 --> 00:05:53.279 So I'm going to ask what's called a leading question. Surely, right, 100 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:56.199 the center right, you know, the people interested in conserving 101 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:59.480 your nation are on side. Right, Surely the kind of 102 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:03.040 good you know, center right figures are are an alliance 103 00:06:03.040 --> 00:06:04.079 with you? Is that the case? 104 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:07.399 Daniel, No, No, no, unfortunately not. 105 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:10.639 In fact, our main center right party, the Conservative Party, 106 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:14.199 is is very much like just as much to blame 107 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:19.199 as the center left Party the Liberals, like if you 108 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:21.040 look back at our history, like these kind of policies 109 00:06:21.079 --> 00:06:23.040 were started by the Liberals who brought in kind of 110 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:27.560 multiculturalism and liberalized our immigration system, took a lot of 111 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:32.240 the kind of ethnic and country based policies out of 112 00:06:32.279 --> 00:06:37.360 our official immigration policies. But the kind of conservatives jumped 113 00:06:37.399 --> 00:06:38.399 on the same boat. 114 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:39.879 Like it. 115 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:42.160 It was a conservative prime minister Brian mulroney in the 116 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:44.279 in the eighties that took us off of our kind 117 00:06:44.279 --> 00:06:47.000 of economic based immigration system where we'd turn on the 118 00:06:47.000 --> 00:06:51.319 taps when the economy was bad, or when the economy 119 00:06:51.360 --> 00:06:52.759 was bad, we turned off the taps, and when the 120 00:06:52.800 --> 00:06:55.319 economy was hot, we turned on the taps. He changed 121 00:06:55.360 --> 00:06:57.199 it to a flat figure, which has just increased and 122 00:06:57.279 --> 00:07:00.800 increased and increase since then. And then Stephen Harper, our 123 00:07:00.839 --> 00:07:05.279 most recent conservative prime minister, similarly, he continued to increase immigration. 124 00:07:05.439 --> 00:07:11.800 He massively increased temporary residents as well, and most troubling, 125 00:07:11.839 --> 00:07:15.199 he kind of shifted our main sources of immigration of 126 00:07:15.480 --> 00:07:17.839 immigration in terms of countries from the United States and 127 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:22.879 the British Isles and so on, countries that are more ethnically, linguistically, 128 00:07:23.079 --> 00:07:26.360 culturally similar to Canada to countries that are much more 129 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:30.680 distant from US. Now under Stephen Harper and continues to 130 00:07:30.759 --> 00:07:33.800 this day, the main source of immigration between became the Philippines, China, 131 00:07:34.160 --> 00:07:37.240 and India, countries that are very very different from Canada. 132 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:40.839 So the Conservatives have played a very big role in immigration, 133 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:44.120 in the changes to our immigration system, and then even 134 00:07:44.120 --> 00:07:47.360 to this day they prefer to kind of go with 135 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:50.879 the flow instead of pushing back. They similar to the Liberals. 136 00:07:50.879 --> 00:07:53.439 They're playing dress up, they're pandering to ethnic bloating blocks, 137 00:07:53.439 --> 00:07:57.920 they're promising to increase the numbers. Until very recently, in 138 00:07:57.920 --> 00:07:59.879 the last year, we've seen a shift in tune for 139 00:08:00.240 --> 00:08:03.319 both parties to in line with kind of public opinion. 140 00:08:03.959 --> 00:08:06.279 But up until now they've all been kind of singing 141 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:09.079 from the same song sheet, and we just don't think 142 00:08:09.079 --> 00:08:11.879 this is acceptable. Like, the Conservatives are very much conservative 143 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:15.680 in name only. They stand for you know, free markets, 144 00:08:15.720 --> 00:08:19.000 free free trade, smaller government. None of these things are 145 00:08:19.000 --> 00:08:23.600 really ostensibly conservative. They're this kind of Reaganite tradition where 146 00:08:23.639 --> 00:08:26.439 this the right kind of where liberalism kind of won 147 00:08:26.480 --> 00:08:29.519 the day and both parties started representing this kind of 148 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:32.600 same neoliberal kind of ideology just like you see in 149 00:08:32.639 --> 00:08:35.279 the States. What we're calling for is a more true 150 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:38.360 sense of conservatism. I don't think you can really honestly 151 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:41.679 call yourself conservative if you don't stand against this radical 152 00:08:41.720 --> 00:08:45.480 social change that's happening in our society. So actually last 153 00:08:45.480 --> 00:08:49.720 week it was our Conservative Parties convention here in Canada 154 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:54.360 and out in Calgary, and myself and my organization where 155 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:56.480 it went there to kind of host a demonstration and 156 00:08:56.600 --> 00:08:59.480 kind of put this into the central spotlight. We had 157 00:08:59.519 --> 00:09:04.000 a demonstation right outside their convention where we ask the 158 00:09:04.080 --> 00:09:08.399 question conserve what to kind of point out that really 159 00:09:08.480 --> 00:09:10.879 what they stand for is not conservative in any way. 160 00:09:11.840 --> 00:09:14.879 In this and demographic change, mass immigration needs to be 161 00:09:14.919 --> 00:09:17.200 the central focus really for all parties, but especially for 162 00:09:17.600 --> 00:09:18.840 an a sensibly conservative one. 163 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:26.960 So oftentimes when discussing immigration, when discussing remigration, you get 164 00:09:26.960 --> 00:09:31.279 this sort of canard, right, it's only these kind of old, 165 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:36.919 bitter racist hangars on who are concerned about immigration. I 166 00:09:36.919 --> 00:09:40.600 think that is changing across the anglosphere, certainly in America. 167 00:09:41.200 --> 00:09:47.399 So I'm curious, like if you could one what is 168 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:51.000 the youth sentiment around this issue? And two what are 169 00:09:51.039 --> 00:09:53.679 the demographics of your organization, Like you know who is 170 00:09:53.759 --> 00:09:55.039 the average supporter. 171 00:09:56.480 --> 00:09:59.480 Yeah, No, I think that's a false narrative. I think 172 00:09:59.519 --> 00:10:03.080 the remigration around the world has been a very youthful movement. 173 00:10:04.399 --> 00:10:07.759 Our generation has really kind of grown up completely within 174 00:10:07.960 --> 00:10:12.159 this multicultural kind of liberal society, and it's it's very 175 00:10:12.519 --> 00:10:15.360 obvious to us how dysfunctional it has been from a 176 00:10:15.360 --> 00:10:19.240 cultural standpoint, from an economic standpoint, and younger people just 177 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:22.879 don't have these same kind of allegiances to old party brands. 178 00:10:23.360 --> 00:10:26.879 They don't they they they don't, they're not. 179 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:29.000 They don't feel kind of saddled with the same baggage 180 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:33.000 that older generations do when it comes to maybe more 181 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:36.720 a liberal or maybe a statist kind of solutions to 182 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:40.279 these problems. So I do think it's a very youthful movement. 183 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:44.120 People are really looking for an alternative and something to 184 00:10:44.159 --> 00:10:48.159 give them hope because really, like people like myself, people 185 00:10:48.279 --> 00:10:50.480 of my generation have kind of given up hope on 186 00:10:50.879 --> 00:10:53.960 even the simple standards of yesterday, like being able to 187 00:10:54.000 --> 00:10:56.279 start a family young and own a house and all 188 00:10:56.320 --> 00:10:59.639 these things, and everything gets tied back to mass immigration. 189 00:11:01.279 --> 00:11:04.159 So I do think it's a very youthful movement. That 190 00:11:04.240 --> 00:11:06.919 being said, like there is definitely in our organization. We 191 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:11.320 have actually a pretty even kind of demographic pyramid across 192 00:11:11.360 --> 00:11:16.039 the age kind of spectrum. It is a bit skewed younger, 193 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:19.120 but like the majority of our support is kind of 194 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:24.360 between twenty five and forty five. I would say I 195 00:11:24.360 --> 00:11:26.759 haven't crunched the numbers super recent. 196 00:11:26.440 --> 00:11:26.799 Not at all. 197 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:31.000 I was looking for a specific answer. So building on 198 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:34.360 that point, I did something really stupid. I got into 199 00:11:34.360 --> 00:11:41.519 a debate with a Canadian socialist. Sorry it was inadvisable, right, 200 00:11:42.080 --> 00:11:45.080 but you know, relatively cordial. And one of the areas 201 00:11:45.080 --> 00:11:49.240 that we disagreed on was the fact that, you know, 202 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:54.360 multiculturalism isn't working. And it's funny because I actually mentioned 203 00:11:54.559 --> 00:11:57.519 I cited a source from your nation. 204 00:11:57.840 --> 00:11:58.039 Right. 205 00:11:58.200 --> 00:11:59.840 A friend of mine, I won't say which one, has 206 00:11:59.840 --> 00:12:02.960 been on my show before, and he was talking about 207 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:06.240 how his daughter was unable to get a sort of 208 00:12:06.279 --> 00:12:08.799 normal teenager job, right, the sort of job you do 209 00:12:09.600 --> 00:12:12.000 before you move out, just to get some work experience, 210 00:12:12.080 --> 00:12:14.720 to get some pocket money, a couple hours a week. 211 00:12:15.080 --> 00:12:17.960 And she was describing, or through her dat I guess, 212 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:23.240 describing how things like you know, fast food restaurants and 213 00:12:23.279 --> 00:12:27.679 gas stations that traditionally employed teenagers have basically been turned 214 00:12:27.720 --> 00:12:30.720 into ethnic rackets where if you're not a member of 215 00:12:31.000 --> 00:12:35.679 XYZ group you need not apply. And he was describing 216 00:12:35.759 --> 00:12:38.279 how his daughter had sort of gone through that process, 217 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:41.200 that she started working at this service station with other 218 00:12:41.279 --> 00:12:44.200 local teenagers and then over the course of several months, 219 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:49.840 was effectively replaced in real time. So one, again maybe 220 00:12:49.840 --> 00:12:54.679 this is another softball question, but is multiculturalism working in Canada? 221 00:12:54.840 --> 00:12:58.840 And two, if it isn't, how is it affecting normal 222 00:12:58.879 --> 00:12:59.639 people's lives. 223 00:13:01.200 --> 00:13:04.039 Yeah, I mean that's a very pertinent example. I don't 224 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:08.200 even know if that's a direct criticism of multiculturalism. It's 225 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:11.919 really just the standards for economic migration in Canada. And 226 00:13:11.960 --> 00:13:14.000 this is something that started under a conservative Prime minister 227 00:13:14.320 --> 00:13:18.639 by Stephen Harper, this massive expansion of the temporary foreign 228 00:13:18.679 --> 00:13:22.639 worker program which was which was again increased under the 229 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:27.240 subsequent Liberal governments. They started bringing in more and more 230 00:13:27.279 --> 00:13:30.600 temporary foreign workers, but also pivoting the kind of jobs 231 00:13:30.600 --> 00:13:32.960 that they were worked for. So originally, when the temporary 232 00:13:32.960 --> 00:13:35.240 foreign worker program was brought in, it was it was 233 00:13:35.320 --> 00:13:39.279 for agricultural agricultural work. It was for seasonal, very seasonal 234 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:42.679 employment like at harvest season, we get some more laborers 235 00:13:42.679 --> 00:13:47.279 to come over to pick strawberries or whatever. But this 236 00:13:47.399 --> 00:13:50.039 morphed under Stephen Harper into a completely different style of 237 00:13:50.120 --> 00:13:54.440 program where it was diversified for not only like very 238 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:57.519 niche labor, but also for things like working at gas 239 00:13:57.519 --> 00:14:00.840 stations and fast food restaurants and so on. So, as 240 00:14:00.879 --> 00:14:04.039 you pointed out, like these typically these types of simple 241 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:06.720 low skilled jobs do have an important part in the 242 00:14:06.799 --> 00:14:11.159 kind of broader labor market because they provide opportunity for 243 00:14:11.519 --> 00:14:14.159 seniors and younger people to get that kind of job experience, 244 00:14:14.159 --> 00:14:18.600 which can then lead to further opportunities down the line. Instead, 245 00:14:18.679 --> 00:14:22.000 now these are being shipped off to temporary foreign workers 246 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:26.399 from India and other countries, which has these knock on 247 00:14:26.440 --> 00:14:30.120 effects down the line because you kind of stunt the 248 00:14:30.200 --> 00:14:33.200 kind of growth for the younger generation. But it's also 249 00:14:33.480 --> 00:14:38.360 has been turned into a sort of racket. These kind 250 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:42.440 of immigrants are kind of clearly using specifically chain restaurants, 251 00:14:43.120 --> 00:14:47.000 chain restaurants and gas stations stuff like this. They get 252 00:14:47.039 --> 00:14:49.519 one franchise and they get more multiple franchise and then 253 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:51.919 they use them to hire their their family members and 254 00:14:51.960 --> 00:14:54.559 friends from foreign countries to get them on that kind 255 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:58.320 of pathway from temporary residency to permanent residency because it 256 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:01.120 is streamlined, because a st simply those people should be 257 00:15:01.159 --> 00:15:04.960 able to to get they get priority because they we 258 00:15:05.039 --> 00:15:08.200 believe that they can assimilate better that way, which is 259 00:15:08.240 --> 00:15:12.600 which is obviously false. So literally you can go anywhere 260 00:15:12.600 --> 00:15:14.799 and Canada. You can go to the whitest town in 261 00:15:14.799 --> 00:15:18.080 the middle of nowhere, and the subway or the gas 262 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:20.759 station or or whatnot is still going to be run 263 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:25.159 by the one kind of Indian family in that entire city. 264 00:15:25.159 --> 00:15:30.080 I worked on an election campaign in twenty twenty three 265 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:36.159 and I was in a small city in Manitoba, literally Altona, 266 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:39.519 a town of a few thousand people, and it was 267 00:15:39.519 --> 00:15:41.159 like one of the most red pilling moments to go 268 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:44.519 into the subway and it's like still there, it's run 269 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:46.440 by Indians. It's unbelievable. It's one thing when you're in 270 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:48.759 a big city, but like literally anywhere in this country, 271 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:52.919 that's just the reality of the situation. The broader problems 272 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:59.000 with multiculturalism is since since the seventies the eighties, very 273 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:02.200 much we we as a country, we kind of rejected 274 00:16:02.240 --> 00:16:08.559 the idea of assimilation. There's often drawn the comparison between 275 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:11.120 Canada and the US, where the US is described as 276 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:14.679 a melting pot, in Canada's described as as a cultural mosaic. 277 00:16:15.039 --> 00:16:17.679 This is one of those things that Canadians are often 278 00:16:17.799 --> 00:16:21.080 like pompous about how we're so much superior to the 279 00:16:21.200 --> 00:16:25.559 US because we don't force people to merge into society. 280 00:16:25.600 --> 00:16:29.679 But obviously this ends up being dysfunctional. You need to 281 00:16:29.759 --> 00:16:33.480 have a sort of cohesive identity and culture in order 282 00:16:33.480 --> 00:16:36.240 to have a functional society, and we kind of stuck 283 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.159 our nose up at that, and they're like, no, you 284 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.720 can maintain your foreign languages, your foreign cultures and so on. 285 00:16:42.000 --> 00:16:44.720 And when you pair this with mass immigration, especially with 286 00:16:44.840 --> 00:16:47.960 huge numbers from just a few countries, what results is 287 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:53.000 ethnic ghettos. Now you have cities like Brampton and Surrey 288 00:16:53.240 --> 00:16:58.559 in northern Calgary where the population is seventy eighty percent Indian. 289 00:17:00.080 --> 00:17:02.960 You'll have children that are born in Canada to like 290 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:07.319 two Indian parents. They'll go to school in an eighty 291 00:17:07.359 --> 00:17:10.559 percent Indian school, They'll be able to speak foreign languages. 292 00:17:11.200 --> 00:17:14.880 They're they're putting up giant statues of foreign gods and 293 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:21.079 so on. Like this, there's small pockets of India existing 294 00:17:21.119 --> 00:17:23.160 in Canada, and I think that's fundamentally wrong. I think 295 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:26.880 Canada should be Canada and India should be India. I 296 00:17:26.880 --> 00:17:28.880 don't think that's a that's really a hot take at 297 00:17:28.880 --> 00:17:29.440 the end of the day. 298 00:17:30.920 --> 00:17:34.480 Yeah, I mean well, and I think that I'm glad 299 00:17:34.519 --> 00:17:41.559 you brought up the sort of relationship between America and 300 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:44.039 Canada because one of the things that sort of struck 301 00:17:44.079 --> 00:17:50.319 me is that for a certain faction of the Canadian population, 302 00:17:50.480 --> 00:17:54.039 in the Canadian ruling elite, they don't exist as an 303 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:58.160 actual country. They exist in relation to America. So it's 304 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:01.480 sort of this this relationship where well, Canada needs to 305 00:18:01.519 --> 00:18:04.920 be almost more American than America, right, like, oh, you 306 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:07.960 know the evil you know, red state chuts. They're not 307 00:18:08.039 --> 00:18:10.519 living up to these great values, so we'll do it better. 308 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:12.839 And so you get this sort of backwards relationship. And 309 00:18:13.319 --> 00:18:16.000 Justo was probably the worst about this, where you'd almost 310 00:18:16.000 --> 00:18:18.720 spend more time talking about my politics than yours, and 311 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:20.960 you're like, wait, aren't you that ostensibly the head of 312 00:18:20.960 --> 00:18:24.640 an actual country? And I'm not making that criticism of you. 313 00:18:24.720 --> 00:18:27.680 I'm making that criticism of your politicians, of course, but 314 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:31.759 it is that it's sort of bizarre relationship right where 315 00:18:31.759 --> 00:18:35.079 it's sort of like, this is a nation with issues. 316 00:18:35.279 --> 00:18:37.079 One of the things that I know your country has 317 00:18:37.079 --> 00:18:39.200 been hit by mine as well as you know, an 318 00:18:39.240 --> 00:18:42.599 explosion of you know, cost of living and housing prices. 319 00:18:43.440 --> 00:18:46.319 The fact that there are one million new Canadians every 320 00:18:46.400 --> 00:18:49.880 year I assume has nothing to do with that. But 321 00:18:50.880 --> 00:18:56.119 could you speak to that sort of misplaced focus, right 322 00:18:56.640 --> 00:18:59.960 if you could just explain what problems are facing Canada 323 00:19:00.519 --> 00:19:04.599 and does anyone seem to be interested in actually addressing. 324 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:11.480 Well, well, just to talk about our political identity, I 325 00:19:11.519 --> 00:19:15.000 do think it has been kind of become very superficial, 326 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:17.319 especially in the kind of post war period. But ultimately 327 00:19:17.400 --> 00:19:21.640 Canadian identity is relational to the United States, like our 328 00:19:21.720 --> 00:19:26.160 founding mythology is very much a rejection of Americanism, in liberalism. 329 00:19:26.200 --> 00:19:27.920 That's why we decided to be a country, and we're 330 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:33.240 not all one kind of union like the Revolutionary War. 331 00:19:33.359 --> 00:19:36.599 While it is kind of America's founding mytho, it also 332 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:41.000 is tied up in Canada's identity because especially the Anglo 333 00:19:41.119 --> 00:19:45.279 Canadian population is very much like this. The American Revolutionary 334 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:47.640 War was sort of a selection event for Canada, where 335 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:51.480 the kind of liberal folks decided to form America, and 336 00:19:51.519 --> 00:19:53.680 the people who literally fought against that right on the 337 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:56.400 side of the British. They were then ostracized and moved 338 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:01.000 up to Canada to what was would become Upper Canada 339 00:20:01.039 --> 00:20:03.759 and subsequently Ontario. So a significantly part part of our 340 00:20:03.880 --> 00:20:08.119 kind of Anglo founding stock were loyalists to the crown, 341 00:20:08.440 --> 00:20:12.200 people who rejected the American experiment of radical liberalism in 342 00:20:12.240 --> 00:20:17.400 favor of a more traditional, orderly society. So the American 343 00:20:17.480 --> 00:20:19.880 kind of mythos is captured by that, you know, the 344 00:20:19.920 --> 00:20:22.599 phrase from the Constitution. Their life, liberty, and the pursuit 345 00:20:22.640 --> 00:20:25.359 of happiness are kind of equivalent to that is, peace, 346 00:20:25.440 --> 00:20:28.480 order and good governance. So Canada is actually like a 347 00:20:28.559 --> 00:20:35.000 reactionary conservative state in rejection of American ideas. Now, in 348 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:38.400 the post war period, American liberalism kind of won the 349 00:20:38.480 --> 00:20:45.240 day as America ascended to the global hedgemon right through 350 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:49.880 soft power through hard power, they dominated the world. But 351 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:52.799 this kind of affected Canada doubly like we had a 352 00:20:52.880 --> 00:20:55.759 kind of multiplier effect due to our close geographic relationship. 353 00:20:56.079 --> 00:20:58.119 So in the pre war period we were very much 354 00:20:58.119 --> 00:21:00.640 a vassal state of the British, like you were saying, 355 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:03.519 how we're kind of more American than the Americans. Before 356 00:21:03.680 --> 00:21:07.079 the World War, Kenda was widely seen as more British 357 00:21:07.079 --> 00:21:12.559 than the British. So as the British kind of waned 358 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:15.799 as the global superpower and were replaced by the Americans, 359 00:21:16.359 --> 00:21:18.359 that hit us doubly because we have such a close 360 00:21:18.480 --> 00:21:21.920 economic tie, so we kind of replaced Britain with America, 361 00:21:22.000 --> 00:21:30.920 which was very much against our founding ethos. Nationalists like 362 00:21:31.000 --> 00:21:34.079 myself up north of the border often say that we're 363 00:21:34.160 --> 00:21:38.839 kind of illiberal hardware running liberal software now, so you 364 00:21:38.920 --> 00:21:45.200 end up with this weird kind of contradiction where Canadians 365 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:49.079 are very anti American kind of reflexively. We saw this 366 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:52.240 very much over the last year during our election campaign, 367 00:21:52.279 --> 00:21:55.559 where our entire federal election just became about this like 368 00:21:55.640 --> 00:22:01.319 super official rejection of Americanism. Well, we've completely kind of 369 00:22:01.359 --> 00:22:05.680 adopted American ideas, So like Canadian identity is often reduced 370 00:22:05.720 --> 00:22:09.279 to like we're Americans but with free healthcare, We're Americans 371 00:22:09.319 --> 00:22:13.000 but more polite, when like really it's like, no, we 372 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:15.519 are a complete rejection of what America is. We are 373 00:22:16.599 --> 00:22:21.799 people that prioritize order over liberty. We have these very 374 00:22:21.799 --> 00:22:24.680 different founding ideals, but that's been kind of lost away, 375 00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:29.400 and we're left with this kind of surface level nonsense 376 00:22:29.440 --> 00:22:30.440 where it's very confusing. 377 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:32.440 People don't know why we're not American anymore. 378 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:34.960 Well, and I think that that's sort of an interesting 379 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:40.279 relationship because it's kind of funny that that anti Americanism 380 00:22:40.640 --> 00:22:45.200 is ultimately an extension of the kind of true like 381 00:22:45.279 --> 00:22:49.519 civic religion of America. Because of course, right, you've mentioned 382 00:22:49.599 --> 00:22:53.079 the initial founding myth, right, the you know, the kind 383 00:22:53.119 --> 00:22:58.079 of American founding fathers, the Revolutionary War, and that was 384 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:02.279 the founding myth for a certain version of the American republic. Right, 385 00:23:02.359 --> 00:23:04.279 like we we basically have the same thing the French 386 00:23:04.319 --> 00:23:07.039 do with like the numbered republics. We don't do it officially, 387 00:23:07.079 --> 00:23:13.759 but like, let's be honest, Thomas Jefferson would be absolutely 388 00:23:13.839 --> 00:23:17.400 horrified at what Lincoln did, let alone what FDR did. Right, 389 00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:21.519 They're they're completely different nations. And so, you know, the 390 00:23:21.559 --> 00:23:25.680 post war era, the narrative of you know, the American 391 00:23:25.680 --> 00:23:30.400 Empire has been this sort of like liberationist guilt, this 392 00:23:30.519 --> 00:23:33.960 idea that you know, we simultaneously must hate and despise 393 00:23:34.000 --> 00:23:37.440 ourselves for what we were. And also this sort of 394 00:23:38.079 --> 00:23:41.240 you know, not to use that a weighted term, but 395 00:23:41.319 --> 00:23:44.640 this sort of like you know, liberationist idea about you know, 396 00:23:44.720 --> 00:23:47.960 the point of your life is to have the maximal 397 00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:52.200 number of people experiencing the maximal freedom for self expression, 398 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:54.920 which is basically defined as like, you know, a certain 399 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:58.119 number of like firing of your serotonin, uh, you know, 400 00:23:59.359 --> 00:24:02.079 receptors in your brain or whatever. And so it's funny 401 00:24:02.079 --> 00:24:07.480