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It gonna 22 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:09,079 cause a tree fall. 23 00:01:09,159 --> 00:01:14,359 Speaker 1: Letting five thousand miles away. Man, nobody seen, nobody. 24 00:01:17,560 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 3: See you don't even know, man, you don't they like 25 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,719 you followed at a little story and you got directed 26 00:01:23,000 --> 00:01:23,719 like that. 27 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: That's man, Man, don't like a dang on the panel, 28 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:27,879 man matter? 29 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:38,200 Speaker 2: Man? All right, Daniel, welcome to Jay Burdens Show. 30 00:01:38,200 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 3: How you doing, Man, I'm doing great things for inviting me. 31 00:01:41,879 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I'm really excited to have you on. I 32 00:01:44,879 --> 00:01:47,280 was sort of vaguely aware of your product or of 33 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,359 your project rather, but it wasn't until I think someone 34 00:01:50,439 --> 00:01:53,079 tagged us both on Twitter that you know, we got connected. 35 00:01:53,519 --> 00:01:56,120 So if you could for my audience, could you describe, well, 36 00:01:56,280 --> 00:01:58,159 who are you, who you are and what do you do? 37 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:01,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, my name is Daniel Tiree. I'm the founder and 38 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,599 chairman of the Dominion Society. We're a new kind of 39 00:02:05,599 --> 00:02:09,280 not for profit organization. We call ourselves a vanguard political movement. 40 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:13,520 So we're a kind of third party organization that advocates 41 00:02:13,560 --> 00:02:15,360 for what we call on behalf of what we call 42 00:02:15,439 --> 00:02:20,039 heritage Canadians and specifically for a concept called remigration. So 43 00:02:20,080 --> 00:02:22,919 this would be the reversal of kind of policies that 44 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:28,240 have created this mass immigration crisis that's hurting the Canadian 45 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:33,120 people and undermining our identity. So we look to reverse 46 00:02:33,199 --> 00:02:36,599 the kind of trends of those immigration policies in order 47 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:37,560 to preserve those things. 48 00:02:38,879 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 2: So two things, I'm pretty sure my audience will be 49 00:02:42,039 --> 00:02:46,680 familiar with the concept of heritage Americans. But first, well, one, 50 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:51,719 what is a heritage Canadian? And two, can you, I 51 00:02:51,759 --> 00:02:55,080 guess contextualize what does mass migration in Canada look like? 52 00:02:56,479 --> 00:02:56,639 Speaker 3: Yeah? 53 00:02:56,759 --> 00:02:59,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, so, I mean the concept would be very similar. 54 00:02:59,439 --> 00:03:02,479 A heritage Canadian or is a descendant of the original 55 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,599 kind of settlers of Canada. We draw the distinction between 56 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:12,080 kind of modern economic immigrants and the previous generations of settlers. 57 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:15,360 I think there's something fundamentally different than some between someone 58 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:19,280 who comes to a hostile wilderness who risks life and 59 00:03:19,319 --> 00:03:24,560 limb across open oceans in order to carve civilization from nothing, 60 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,240 versus modern economic economic immigrants who come here to take 61 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,240 advantage of our wealth and opportunity, to leach off of 62 00:03:31,319 --> 00:03:36,080 our social assistance and so on. So we draw that distinction. 63 00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:41,039 So a heritage Canadian is exactly that descendant of the 64 00:03:41,199 --> 00:03:46,919 original settlers, and mass immigration has become a crazy issue 65 00:03:46,960 --> 00:03:50,960 across the Western world, but Canada is definitely one of 66 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:57,000 the top, one of the most radical examples of it. 67 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:59,639 Kind of white Canadians are becoming a minority in our 68 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:02,879 in our own homelands, probably as soon as twenty thirty 69 00:04:02,919 --> 00:04:06,719 twenty thirty five as a result of these radical policies. 70 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,400 So we've seen kind of increasing in immigration trends since 71 00:04:10,439 --> 00:04:14,360 about the late nineteen eighties, started under under Prime Minister 72 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:18,600 Brian mulrooney, and really kind of reached an unprecedented scale 73 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,319 under our previous Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau, where immigration figures 74 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:25,480 got up too close to above a million people per 75 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,279 year when you factor in temporary residence like foreign workers 76 00:04:29,319 --> 00:04:33,560 and foreign students in these classes who who will often 77 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:36,120 kind of find reason to stay or get on permanent 78 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:39,680 tracks for residency as well. So this was you know, 79 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,519 a huge fraction of our population, and almost in our 80 00:04:42,639 --> 00:04:46,920 entire population growth was through immigration. About ninety eight percent 81 00:04:46,959 --> 00:04:50,040 of all population growth in Canada has been through immigration. 82 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:55,319 In much of the population growth, the domestic kind of 83 00:04:55,319 --> 00:04:59,240 birth rate has been to you know, second third generation immigrants. 84 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:03,160 So we're seeing our are kind of founding stock get 85 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:05,800 pushed to the fringes and all the while we see 86 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,000 our politicians kind of continue to advocate for immigration and 87 00:05:09,759 --> 00:05:13,279 to start playing dress up and pander to foreign ethnic blocks, 88 00:05:13,279 --> 00:05:17,040 which has been kind of corrosive to our politics writ large. 89 00:05:17,199 --> 00:05:21,600 So there's been a huge backlash against this. A majority 90 00:05:21,639 --> 00:05:25,360 of Canadians to the tune of over sixty percent, even 91 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,360 a majority of immigrants are turning against kind of mass 92 00:05:28,360 --> 00:05:32,040 immigration policies in Canada. But it's kind of the zeitgeist 93 00:05:32,079 --> 00:05:33,560 to be like, so, how do we kind of deal 94 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:36,680 with the consequences instead of actually solving the problem. And 95 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,079 really what we put forward is what we think is 96 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:41,959 the true solution, which is reversing the flow and sending 97 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,319 a lot of people back instead of just kind of 98 00:05:44,639 --> 00:05:46,199 trying to figure out how to live together. 99 00:05:48,319 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 2: So I'm going to ask what's called a leading question. Surely, right, 100 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,199 the center right, you know, the people interested in conserving 101 00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,480 your nation are on side. Right, Surely the kind of 102 00:05:59,560 --> 00:06:03,040 good you know, center right figures are are an alliance 103 00:06:03,040 --> 00:06:04,079 with you? Is that the case? 104 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,399 Speaker 3: Daniel, No, No, no, unfortunately not. 105 00:06:08,199 --> 00:06:10,639 Speaker 4: In fact, our main center right party, the Conservative Party, 106 00:06:10,680 --> 00:06:14,199 is is very much like just as much to blame 107 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:19,199 as the center left Party the Liberals, like if you 108 00:06:19,199 --> 00:06:21,040 look back at our history, like these kind of policies 109 00:06:21,079 --> 00:06:23,040 were started by the Liberals who brought in kind of 110 00:06:23,120 --> 00:06:27,560 multiculturalism and liberalized our immigration system, took a lot of 111 00:06:27,560 --> 00:06:32,240 the kind of ethnic and country based policies out of 112 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:37,360 our official immigration policies. But the kind of conservatives jumped 113 00:06:37,399 --> 00:06:38,399 on the same boat. 114 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:39,879 Speaker 3: Like it. 115 00:06:39,879 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 4: It was a conservative prime minister Brian mulroney in the 116 00:06:42,279 --> 00:06:44,279 in the eighties that took us off of our kind 117 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:47,000 of economic based immigration system where we'd turn on the 118 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,319 taps when the economy was bad, or when the economy 119 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:52,759 was bad, we turned off the taps, and when the 120 00:06:52,800 --> 00:06:55,319 economy was hot, we turned on the taps. He changed 121 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,199 it to a flat figure, which has just increased and 122 00:06:57,279 --> 00:07:00,800 increased and increase since then. And then Stephen Harper, our 123 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:05,279 most recent conservative prime minister, similarly, he continued to increase immigration. 124 00:07:05,439 --> 00:07:11,800 He massively increased temporary residents as well, and most troubling, 125 00:07:11,839 --> 00:07:15,199 he kind of shifted our main sources of immigration of 126 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:17,839 immigration in terms of countries from the United States and 127 00:07:17,839 --> 00:07:22,879 the British Isles and so on, countries that are more ethnically, linguistically, 128 00:07:23,079 --> 00:07:26,360 culturally similar to Canada to countries that are much more 129 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:30,680 distant from US. Now under Stephen Harper and continues to 130 00:07:30,759 --> 00:07:33,800 this day, the main source of immigration between became the Philippines, China, 131 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:37,240 and India, countries that are very very different from Canada. 132 00:07:37,319 --> 00:07:40,839 So the Conservatives have played a very big role in immigration, 133 00:07:41,839 --> 00:07:44,120 in the changes to our immigration system, and then even 134 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,360 to this day they prefer to kind of go with 135 00:07:47,439 --> 00:07:50,879 the flow instead of pushing back. They similar to the Liberals. 136 00:07:50,879 --> 00:07:53,439 They're playing dress up, they're pandering to ethnic bloating blocks, 137 00:07:53,439 --> 00:07:57,920 they're promising to increase the numbers. Until very recently, in 138 00:07:57,920 --> 00:07:59,879 the last year, we've seen a shift in tune for 139 00:08:00,240 --> 00:08:03,319 both parties to in line with kind of public opinion. 140 00:08:03,959 --> 00:08:06,279 But up until now they've all been kind of singing 141 00:08:06,279 --> 00:08:09,079 from the same song sheet, and we just don't think 142 00:08:09,079 --> 00:08:11,879 this is acceptable. Like, the Conservatives are very much conservative 143 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,680 in name only. They stand for you know, free markets, 144 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:19,000 free free trade, smaller government. None of these things are 145 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:23,600 really ostensibly conservative. They're this kind of Reaganite tradition where 146 00:08:23,639 --> 00:08:26,439 this the right kind of where liberalism kind of won 147 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:29,519 the day and both parties started representing this kind of 148 00:08:29,519 --> 00:08:32,600 same neoliberal kind of ideology just like you see in 149 00:08:32,639 --> 00:08:35,279 the States. What we're calling for is a more true 150 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,360 sense of conservatism. I don't think you can really honestly 151 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:41,679 call yourself conservative if you don't stand against this radical 152 00:08:41,720 --> 00:08:45,480 social change that's happening in our society. So actually last 153 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:49,720 week it was our Conservative Parties convention here in Canada 154 00:08:49,799 --> 00:08:54,360 and out in Calgary, and myself and my organization where 155 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,480 it went there to kind of host a demonstration and 156 00:08:56,600 --> 00:08:59,480 kind of put this into the central spotlight. We had 157 00:08:59,519 --> 00:09:04,000 a demonstation right outside their convention where we ask the 158 00:09:04,080 --> 00:09:08,399 question conserve what to kind of point out that really 159 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:10,879 what they stand for is not conservative in any way. 160 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,879 In this and demographic change, mass immigration needs to be 161 00:09:14,919 --> 00:09:17,200 the central focus really for all parties, but especially for 162 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:18,840 an a sensibly conservative one. 163 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:26,960 Speaker 2: So oftentimes when discussing immigration, when discussing remigration, you get 164 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:31,279 this sort of canard, right, it's only these kind of old, 165 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:36,919 bitter racist hangars on who are concerned about immigration. I 166 00:09:36,919 --> 00:09:40,600 think that is changing across the anglosphere, certainly in America. 167 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:47,399 So I'm curious, like if you could one what is 168 00:09:47,480 --> 00:09:51,000 the youth sentiment around this issue? And two what are 169 00:09:51,039 --> 00:09:53,679 the demographics of your organization, Like you know who is 170 00:09:53,759 --> 00:09:55,039 the average supporter. 171 00:09:56,480 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think that's a false narrative. I think 172 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:03,080 the remigration around the world has been a very youthful movement. 173 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:07,759 Our generation has really kind of grown up completely within 174 00:10:07,960 --> 00:10:12,159 this multicultural kind of liberal society, and it's it's very 175 00:10:12,519 --> 00:10:15,360 obvious to us how dysfunctional it has been from a 176 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,240 cultural standpoint, from an economic standpoint, and younger people just 177 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,879 don't have these same kind of allegiances to old party brands. 178 00:10:23,360 --> 00:10:26,879 Speaker 3: They don't they they they don't, they're not. 179 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,000 Speaker 4: They don't feel kind of saddled with the same baggage 180 00:10:30,279 --> 00:10:33,000 that older generations do when it comes to maybe more 181 00:10:33,480 --> 00:10:36,720 a liberal or maybe a statist kind of solutions to 182 00:10:36,759 --> 00:10:40,279 these problems. So I do think it's a very youthful movement. 183 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:44,120 People are really looking for an alternative and something to 184 00:10:44,159 --> 00:10:48,159 give them hope because really, like people like myself, people 185 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:50,480 of my generation have kind of given up hope on 186 00:10:50,879 --> 00:10:53,960 even the simple standards of yesterday, like being able to 187 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:56,279 start a family young and own a house and all 188 00:10:56,320 --> 00:10:59,639 these things, and everything gets tied back to mass immigration. 189 00:11:01,279 --> 00:11:04,159 So I do think it's a very youthful movement. That 190 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,919 being said, like there is definitely in our organization. We 191 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:11,320 have actually a pretty even kind of demographic pyramid across 192 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:16,039 the age kind of spectrum. It is a bit skewed younger, 193 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,120 but like the majority of our support is kind of 194 00:11:19,120 --> 00:11:24,360 between twenty five and forty five. I would say I 195 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,759 haven't crunched the numbers super recent. 196 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:26,799 Speaker 3: Not at all. 197 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 2: I was looking for a specific answer. So building on 198 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:34,360 that point, I did something really stupid. I got into 199 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:41,519 a debate with a Canadian socialist. Sorry it was inadvisable, right, 200 00:11:42,080 --> 00:11:45,080 but you know, relatively cordial. And one of the areas 201 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:49,240 that we disagreed on was the fact that, you know, 202 00:11:49,440 --> 00:11:54,360 multiculturalism isn't working. And it's funny because I actually mentioned 203 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:57,519 I cited a source from your nation. 204 00:11:57,840 --> 00:11:58,039 Speaker 3: Right. 205 00:11:58,200 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 2: A friend of mine, I won't say which one, has 206 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,960 been on my show before, and he was talking about 207 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:06,240 how his daughter was unable to get a sort of 208 00:12:06,279 --> 00:12:08,799 normal teenager job, right, the sort of job you do 209 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:12,000 before you move out, just to get some work experience, 210 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,720 to get some pocket money, a couple hours a week. 211 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,960 And she was describing, or through her dat I guess, 212 00:12:18,039 --> 00:12:23,240 describing how things like you know, fast food restaurants and 213 00:12:23,279 --> 00:12:27,679 gas stations that traditionally employed teenagers have basically been turned 214 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,720 into ethnic rackets where if you're not a member of 215 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:35,679 XYZ group you need not apply. And he was describing 216 00:12:35,759 --> 00:12:38,279 how his daughter had sort of gone through that process, 217 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:41,200 that she started working at this service station with other 218 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:44,200 local teenagers and then over the course of several months, 219 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,840 was effectively replaced in real time. So one, again maybe 220 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:54,679 this is another softball question, but is multiculturalism working in Canada? 221 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:58,840 And two, if it isn't, how is it affecting normal 222 00:12:58,879 --> 00:12:59,639 people's lives. 223 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's a very pertinent example. I don't 224 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:08,200 even know if that's a direct criticism of multiculturalism. It's 225 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,919 really just the standards for economic migration in Canada. And 226 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,000 this is something that started under a conservative Prime minister 227 00:13:14,320 --> 00:13:18,639 by Stephen Harper, this massive expansion of the temporary foreign 228 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,639 worker program which was which was again increased under the 229 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:27,240 subsequent Liberal governments. They started bringing in more and more 230 00:13:27,279 --> 00:13:30,600 temporary foreign workers, but also pivoting the kind of jobs 231 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:32,960 that they were worked for. So originally, when the temporary 232 00:13:32,960 --> 00:13:35,240 foreign worker program was brought in, it was it was 233 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:39,279 for agricultural agricultural work. It was for seasonal, very seasonal 234 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:42,679 employment like at harvest season, we get some more laborers 235 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:47,279 to come over to pick strawberries or whatever. But this 236 00:13:47,399 --> 00:13:50,039 morphed under Stephen Harper into a completely different style of 237 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,440 program where it was diversified for not only like very 238 00:13:54,519 --> 00:13:57,519 niche labor, but also for things like working at gas 239 00:13:57,519 --> 00:14:00,840 stations and fast food restaurants and so on. So, as 240 00:14:00,879 --> 00:14:04,039 you pointed out, like these typically these types of simple 241 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:06,720 low skilled jobs do have an important part in the 242 00:14:06,799 --> 00:14:11,159 kind of broader labor market because they provide opportunity for 243 00:14:11,519 --> 00:14:14,159 seniors and younger people to get that kind of job experience, 244 00:14:14,159 --> 00:14:18,600 which can then lead to further opportunities down the line. Instead, 245 00:14:18,679 --> 00:14:22,000 now these are being shipped off to temporary foreign workers 246 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,399 from India and other countries, which has these knock on 247 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:30,120 effects down the line because you kind of stunt the 248 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:33,200 kind of growth for the younger generation. But it's also 249 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:38,360 has been turned into a sort of racket. These kind 250 00:14:38,399 --> 00:14:42,440 of immigrants are kind of clearly using specifically chain restaurants, 251 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:47,000 chain restaurants and gas stations stuff like this. They get 252 00:14:47,039 --> 00:14:49,519 one franchise and they get more multiple franchise and then 253 00:14:49,559 --> 00:14:51,919 they use them to hire their their family members and 254 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,559 friends from foreign countries to get them on that kind 255 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:58,320 of pathway from temporary residency to permanent residency because it 256 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,120 is streamlined, because a st simply those people should be 257 00:15:01,159 --> 00:15:04,960 able to to get they get priority because they we 258 00:15:05,039 --> 00:15:08,200 believe that they can assimilate better that way, which is 259 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:12,600 which is obviously false. So literally you can go anywhere 260 00:15:12,600 --> 00:15:14,799 and Canada. You can go to the whitest town in 261 00:15:14,799 --> 00:15:18,080 the middle of nowhere, and the subway or the gas 262 00:15:18,159 --> 00:15:20,759 station or or whatnot is still going to be run 263 00:15:20,799 --> 00:15:25,159 by the one kind of Indian family in that entire city. 264 00:15:25,159 --> 00:15:30,080 I worked on an election campaign in twenty twenty three 265 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:36,159 and I was in a small city in Manitoba, literally Altona, 266 00:15:36,559 --> 00:15:39,519 a town of a few thousand people, and it was 267 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:41,159 like one of the most red pilling moments to go 268 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:44,519 into the subway and it's like still there, it's run 269 00:15:44,559 --> 00:15:46,440 by Indians. It's unbelievable. It's one thing when you're in 270 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:48,759 a big city, but like literally anywhere in this country, 271 00:15:48,759 --> 00:15:52,919 that's just the reality of the situation. The broader problems 272 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:59,000 with multiculturalism is since since the seventies the eighties, very 273 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:02,200 much we we as a country, we kind of rejected 274 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:08,559 the idea of assimilation. There's often drawn the comparison between 275 00:16:08,559 --> 00:16:11,120 Canada and the US, where the US is described as 276 00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,679 a melting pot, in Canada's described as as a cultural mosaic. 277 00:16:15,039 --> 00:16:17,679 This is one of those things that Canadians are often 278 00:16:17,799 --> 00:16:21,080 like pompous about how we're so much superior to the 279 00:16:21,200 --> 00:16:25,559 US because we don't force people to merge into society. 280 00:16:25,600 --> 00:16:29,679 But obviously this ends up being dysfunctional. You need to 281 00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:33,480 have a sort of cohesive identity and culture in order 282 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:36,240 to have a functional society, and we kind of stuck 283 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:38,159 our nose up at that, and they're like, no, you 284 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:41,720 can maintain your foreign languages, your foreign cultures and so on. 285 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,720 And when you pair this with mass immigration, especially with 286 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:47,960 huge numbers from just a few countries, what results is 287 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:53,000 ethnic ghettos. Now you have cities like Brampton and Surrey 288 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:58,559 in northern Calgary where the population is seventy eighty percent Indian. 289 00:17:00,080 --> 00:17:02,960 You'll have children that are born in Canada to like 290 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:07,319 two Indian parents. They'll go to school in an eighty 291 00:17:07,359 --> 00:17:10,559 percent Indian school, They'll be able to speak foreign languages. 292 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:14,880 They're they're putting up giant statues of foreign gods and 293 00:17:14,920 --> 00:17:21,079 so on. Like this, there's small pockets of India existing 294 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,160 in Canada, and I think that's fundamentally wrong. I think 295 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,880 Canada should be Canada and India should be India. I 296 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:28,880 don't think that's a that's really a hot take at 297 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:29,440 the end of the day. 298 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean well, and I think that I'm glad 299 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:41,559 you brought up the sort of relationship between America and 300 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,039 Canada because one of the things that sort of struck 301 00:17:44,079 --> 00:17:50,319 me is that for a certain faction of the Canadian population, 302 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,039 in the Canadian ruling elite, they don't exist as an 303 00:17:54,079 --> 00:17:58,160 actual country. They exist in relation to America. So it's 304 00:17:58,200 --> 00:18:01,480 sort of this this relationship where well, Canada needs to 305 00:18:01,519 --> 00:18:04,920 be almost more American than America, right, like, oh, you 306 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,960 know the evil you know, red state chuts. They're not 307 00:18:08,039 --> 00:18:10,519 living up to these great values, so we'll do it better. 308 00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:12,839 And so you get this sort of backwards relationship. And 309 00:18:13,319 --> 00:18:16,000 Justo was probably the worst about this, where you'd almost 310 00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:18,720 spend more time talking about my politics than yours, and 311 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:20,960 you're like, wait, aren't you that ostensibly the head of 312 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,640 an actual country? And I'm not making that criticism of you. 313 00:18:24,720 --> 00:18:27,680 I'm making that criticism of your politicians, of course, but 314 00:18:27,759 --> 00:18:31,759 it is that it's sort of bizarre relationship right where 315 00:18:31,759 --> 00:18:35,079 it's sort of like, this is a nation with issues. 316 00:18:35,279 --> 00:18:37,079 One of the things that I know your country has 317 00:18:37,079 --> 00:18:39,200 been hit by mine as well as you know, an 318 00:18:39,240 --> 00:18:42,599 explosion of you know, cost of living and housing prices. 319 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:46,319 The fact that there are one million new Canadians every 320 00:18:46,400 --> 00:18:49,880 year I assume has nothing to do with that. But 321 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:56,119 could you speak to that sort of misplaced focus, right 322 00:18:56,640 --> 00:18:59,960 if you could just explain what problems are facing Canada 323 00:19:00,519 --> 00:19:04,599 and does anyone seem to be interested in actually addressing. 324 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:11,480 Speaker 4: Well, well, just to talk about our political identity, I 325 00:19:11,519 --> 00:19:15,000 do think it has been kind of become very superficial, 326 00:19:15,079 --> 00:19:17,319 especially in the kind of post war period. But ultimately 327 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:21,640 Canadian identity is relational to the United States, like our 328 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:26,160 founding mythology is very much a rejection of Americanism, in liberalism. 329 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:27,920 That's why we decided to be a country, and we're 330 00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:33,240 not all one kind of union like the Revolutionary War. 331 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:36,599 While it is kind of America's founding mytho, it also 332 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:41,000 is tied up in Canada's identity because especially the Anglo 333 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:45,279 Canadian population is very much like this. The American Revolutionary 334 00:19:45,319 --> 00:19:47,640 War was sort of a selection event for Canada, where 335 00:19:47,680 --> 00:19:51,480 the kind of liberal folks decided to form America, and 336 00:19:51,519 --> 00:19:53,680 the people who literally fought against that right on the 337 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,400 side of the British. They were then ostracized and moved 338 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:01,000 up to Canada to what was would become Upper Canada 339 00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:03,759 and subsequently Ontario. So a significantly part part of our 340 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:08,119 kind of Anglo founding stock were loyalists to the crown, 341 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,200 people who rejected the American experiment of radical liberalism in 342 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:17,400 favor of a more traditional, orderly society. So the American 343 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:19,880 kind of mythos is captured by that, you know, the 344 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,599 phrase from the Constitution. Their life, liberty, and the pursuit 345 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,359 of happiness are kind of equivalent to that is, peace, 346 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,480 order and good governance. So Canada is actually like a 347 00:20:28,559 --> 00:20:35,000 reactionary conservative state in rejection of American ideas. Now, in 348 00:20:35,039 --> 00:20:38,400 the post war period, American liberalism kind of won the 349 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:45,240 day as America ascended to the global hedgemon right through 350 00:20:45,279 --> 00:20:49,880 soft power through hard power, they dominated the world. But 351 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:52,799 this kind of affected Canada doubly like we had a 352 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,759 kind of multiplier effect due to our close geographic relationship. 353 00:20:56,079 --> 00:20:58,119 So in the pre war period we were very much 354 00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,640 a vassal state of the British, like you were saying, 355 00:21:00,680 --> 00:21:03,519 how we're kind of more American than the Americans. Before 356 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,079 the World War, Kenda was widely seen as more British 357 00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:12,559 than the British. So as the British kind of waned 358 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,799 as the global superpower and were replaced by the Americans, 359 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:18,359 that hit us doubly because we have such a close 360 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,920 economic tie, so we kind of replaced Britain with America, 361 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:30,920 which was very much against our founding ethos. Nationalists like 362 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:34,079 myself up north of the border often say that we're 363 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:38,839 kind of illiberal hardware running liberal software now, so you 364 00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:45,200 end up with this weird kind of contradiction where Canadians 365 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:49,079 are very anti American kind of reflexively. We saw this 366 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,240 very much over the last year during our election campaign, 367 00:21:52,279 --> 00:21:55,559 where our entire federal election just became about this like 368 00:21:55,640 --> 00:22:01,319 super official rejection of Americanism. Well, we've completely kind of 369 00:22:01,359 --> 00:22:05,680 adopted American ideas, So like Canadian identity is often reduced 370 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,279 to like we're Americans but with free healthcare, We're Americans 371 00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:13,000 but more polite, when like really it's like, no, we 372 00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:15,519 are a complete rejection of what America is. We are 373 00:22:16,599 --> 00:22:21,799 people that prioritize order over liberty. We have these very 374 00:22:21,799 --> 00:22:24,680 different founding ideals, but that's been kind of lost away, 375 00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:29,400 and we're left with this kind of surface level nonsense 376 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:30,440 where it's very confusing. 377 00:22:30,440 --> 00:22:32,440 Speaker 3: People don't know why we're not American anymore. 378 00:22:33,279 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: Well, and I think that that's sort of an interesting 379 00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:40,279 relationship because it's kind of funny that that anti Americanism 380 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:45,200 is ultimately an extension of the kind of true like 381 00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:49,519 civic religion of America. Because of course, right, you've mentioned 382 00:22:49,599 --> 00:22:53,079 the initial founding myth, right, the you know, the kind 383 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:58,079 of American founding fathers, the Revolutionary War, and that was 384 00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:02,279 the founding myth for a certain version of the American republic. Right, 385 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,279 like we we basically have the same thing the French 386 00:23:04,319 --> 00:23:07,039 do with like the numbered republics. We don't do it officially, 387 00:23:07,079 --> 00:23:13,759 but like, let's be honest, Thomas Jefferson would be absolutely 388 00:23:13,839 --> 00:23:17,400 horrified at what Lincoln did, let alone what FDR did. Right, 389 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:21,519 They're they're completely different nations. And so, you know, the 390 00:23:21,559 --> 00:23:25,680 post war era, the narrative of you know, the American 391 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:30,400 Empire has been this sort of like liberationist guilt, this 392 00:23:30,519 --> 00:23:33,960 idea that you know, we simultaneously must hate and despise 393 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:37,440 ourselves for what we were. And also this sort of 394 00:23:38,079 --> 00:23:41,240 you know, not to use that a weighted term, but 395 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:44,640 this sort of like you know, liberationist idea about you know, 396 00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,960 the point of your life is to have the maximal 397 00:23:48,039 --> 00:23:52,200 number of people experiencing the maximal freedom for self expression, 398 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,920 which is basically defined as like, you know, a certain 399 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,119 number of like firing of your serotonin, uh, you know, 400 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,079 receptors in your brain or whatever. And so it's funny 401 00:24:02,079 --> 00:24:07,480 to me that either the anti americanism is actually effectively 402 00:24:07,519 --> 00:24:10,039 the ideology of the US State Department, if you really 403 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,240 drill down to it, like it's the same thing that, 404 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:15,799 let's be honest, the majority of our politicians, right that 405 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,319 the kind of left which is, you know, the hegemonic 406 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,960 force in American politics. It's what they say. And again 407 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:23,920 when I say this, like, don't take this as a 408 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:26,880 criticism of Canada, I think you were much better off, 409 00:24:27,039 --> 00:24:29,279 you know, pre war for any number of reasons. But 410 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:31,240 I do see that and kind of chuckle at it. 411 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:34,240 You see the same thing with like certain you know, 412 00:24:34,279 --> 00:24:37,160 progressive globalist types out of Europe as well, where it's 413 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,359 like you, in a weird way, you're almost more captured 414 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:44,079 than anything else, right, because you still exist in relation 415 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:48,279 to this nation you proclaim to hate, and weirdly enough, 416 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,079 you have the same opinion as every major institution in 417 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,960 that country, right, you have the same opinions as Harvard, 418 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,839 as the Washington Post is whatever. So in a weird way, 419 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:02,720 it's like you kind of you personally. Of course, that 420 00:25:02,759 --> 00:25:05,440 person is sort of the perfect imperial citizen, which I 421 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,480 find to be a certain bit of irony there, but 422 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:08,680 I'll kick it back to you, Daniel. 423 00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, I definitely see that hypocrisy everywhere that 424 00:25:14,039 --> 00:25:18,839 people like. It's it's quite ironic that the kind of 425 00:25:19,519 --> 00:25:24,680 right leaning, kind of hierarchical traditionalist types have really become 426 00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:28,640 the counterculture in the modern zeitgeist, whereas you see these 427 00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:33,440 like blue haired punks or whatever, and they they've become 428 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,519 the kind of real, the real foot soldiers of the elite. 429 00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:40,960 It's it does seem very backwards, but we live in 430 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:47,880 very strange times. So we often say like that Canadians 431 00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:52,480 are not a revolutionary people. We were not formed in revolution. 432 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,039 We were actually formed as a sort of counter revolution 433 00:25:55,119 --> 00:26:00,519 to what was going south of the border. So as 434 00:26:00,599 --> 00:26:04,359 nationalists in Canada, we don't really preach revolution as as 435 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:08,640 many kind of dissident types are inclined to. What we 436 00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:11,440 really preach is as a counter revolution. We we point 437 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:16,519 to what happened under specifically Pierre Trudeau, to transform our society, 438 00:26:16,559 --> 00:26:21,519 to replace our constitution, to impose multiculturalism. We see this 439 00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:24,880 as the real revolution in Canada. And what we're standing 440 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,440 is for a counter revolution and a reversal of a 441 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,400 lot of these policies. That's why people like myself we 442 00:26:30,559 --> 00:26:34,400 we fly, we fly the old flag, we we we 443 00:26:34,519 --> 00:26:38,440 use our old symbols. What we're not what we're preaching, 444 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,160 while it is a transformation of our society it is, 445 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,119 it is really not something new. It's it's really a 446 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:47,319 return to tradition, which I think is much more consistent 447 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:52,119 with Canada's kind of founding ethos, rather than than preaching 448 00:26:52,519 --> 00:26:56,359 American style revolution, which is a lot of what you 449 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,680 see from the more like slopulist types in Canada who 450 00:27:00,799 --> 00:27:04,799 very much are captured by the kind of American media 451 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:08,440 ecosystem online and stuff, and don't really think for themselves 452 00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:12,319 or don't really understand our unique history. They just kind 453 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:13,640 of latch onto what's popular. 454 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm glad, I'm glad you brought that up, 455 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:23,119 because I see that sort of across the world, and 456 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,759 some of it's branding right where it's like, oh, you know, 457 00:27:26,799 --> 00:27:30,799 Bolscenaro is Brazil's Trump, or you know, Victor Orbon is 458 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,440 Hungary's Trump, and it's sort of like that framing is 459 00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:39,480 imposed on every nation across the world, and viewers of 460 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,160 my show, well, no, I have certain criticisms of the 461 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,640 current administration. We don't need to get into those, but 462 00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,079 I do think that's sort of an interesting thing as well, right, 463 00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,000 that there's sort of a diversion valve. 464 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:51,359 Speaker 3: Right. 465 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's deliberately constructed or not, but 466 00:27:54,279 --> 00:27:59,440 this sort of rebellion which in a weird way ends 467 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:03,920 up reinforce the central premits right, reinforcing that everything must 468 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:08,559 be done in relation to this other nation's capital. And look, 469 00:28:08,599 --> 00:28:10,720 I say that as you know an American nationalists, which 470 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,039 I realize is a bizarre position to be in for 471 00:28:13,079 --> 00:28:16,000 any number of reasons. But you know, when I look 472 00:28:16,039 --> 00:28:18,319 to Canada and I see that sort of sloppulist, right, 473 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:21,599 I see that desire to sort of create your own Trump, 474 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:24,039 I'm like, no, no, no, no, this is not that's 475 00:28:24,079 --> 00:28:28,440 not what you are. That would setting aside the question 476 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:33,400 of how efficacious or possible that would be doing. You know, 477 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,519 the Maga movement in Canada is ultimately accomplishing the same end, 478 00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:41,799 which is, well, then it's not Canada anymore. And look like, 479 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:45,880 I don't pretend to, you know, deeply understand your culture. 480 00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,759 I find it to be honest, slightly confusing, but nonetheless right. 481 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,839 It ought to exist, you know, none aside from anything else. 482 00:28:56,240 --> 00:28:59,759 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, And I that's kind of why the kind 483 00:28:59,799 --> 00:29:02,559 of a fundamental problem that the right has been having 484 00:29:02,599 --> 00:29:05,039 in Canada for a long time. They've been too aligned 485 00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:08,640 with the Americans, which is kind of very counter to 486 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,680 what Canada is. And while we have become very Americanized, 487 00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:17,599 very liberalized, there is still that kind of anti American 488 00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:20,359 instinct and that really is what's sunk the Conservative Party 489 00:29:20,359 --> 00:29:22,880 in the last election. They were seen as too soft 490 00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,079 on America. Pierre pauliev Or, the leader of the Conservative Party, 491 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,400 was seen as kind of Canadace Trump. A lot of 492 00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:32,400 the slopulists want to kind of steer into that swerve, 493 00:29:33,119 --> 00:29:35,519 but the reality is that's really not popular in the 494 00:29:35,839 --> 00:29:42,079 general Canadian public. There's that reflex of anti Americanism that 495 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:46,000 really swung the election for the for the Liberal Party. 496 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,440 So while there is that kind of inkling for a 497 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:52,559 lot of people who are completely captured by America, like 498 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,559 a lot of these swapulists, they love Trump, they love 499 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,920 they want Canadace Trump that many of them are like 500 00:29:58,920 --> 00:30:02,960 fifty first staters and so on. But that's just not 501 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:06,319 that's like, it's not a viable path to victory in 502 00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:10,079 Canadian politics. Really, what we need is an authentically Canadian movement, 503 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,400 and a lot of what that would be has been 504 00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:17,480 so lost because we've been so captured by the American 505 00:30:17,599 --> 00:30:22,640 kind of ecosystem in a lot of different ways, directly 506 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,119 and indirectly through hard power through soft power over the 507 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:31,759 last you know, a sixty eighty years, like really since 508 00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:36,440 the late sixties. So people like me, we've completely lived 509 00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:41,480 our entire lives within this kind of political capture. But 510 00:30:41,599 --> 00:30:44,119 it's up to people like myself and many other dissidents 511 00:30:44,119 --> 00:30:49,119 and nationalists to kind of promote what really makes us 512 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,359 Canadian and to provide that authentic path. And we hope 513 00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:55,440 that through our aim is through that through this kind 514 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,000 of meta political pressure, through changing the mainstream ideas, through 515 00:30:59,039 --> 00:31:02,519 shifting the conversationation that we'll see that change reflected in 516 00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:06,839 public opinion and some subsequently through the through our existing 517 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:11,039 political parties, and we we do find that it's catching 518 00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:13,440 on really fast, even though we we have limited kind 519 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,680 of institutional power, even though we have like where we're 520 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,839 not covered by the mainstream media, even though we're starting 521 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,000 very organically and small on social media. Ultimately, the what 522 00:31:24,039 --> 00:31:27,519 the message we preach is is consistent with Canadian's identity. 523 00:31:27,519 --> 00:31:30,640 It's constant, consistent with that sort of instinctual blood memory 524 00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,759 that exists within the prototypical Canadian. So we've been really 525 00:31:33,799 --> 00:31:36,279 exploding really fast as a result of that, because we 526 00:31:36,359 --> 00:31:41,759 understand what can is more than mainstream institutions, more than 527 00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:47,039 these kind of slopulists. So people want to shut us down, 528 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:49,319 people don't want to give us that that uh, that 529 00:31:49,319 --> 00:31:52,720 that coverage, but ultimately will continue to grow because we're 530 00:31:52,759 --> 00:31:53,720 we're on the right track. 531 00:31:56,240 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 2: This is it's always interesting to me because there's this 532 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:03,599 kind and I don't know if anyone ever expresses it 533 00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,359 like this, but there's this sort of view of nationalism 534 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,400 that I think is ultimately very I don't want to 535 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:14,359 say dishonest, but I think it's very naive, which is 536 00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:17,000 the idea that you know, like nationalism is like a 537 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,680 block in the same way that globalism is. And you 538 00:32:20,759 --> 00:32:23,079 can be, you know, a nationalist of your country and 539 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,559 you know, perfectly in line with you know, every other 540 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,559 nationalist across the world. And obviously, look like you and 541 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,960 I and you know, our friends in England or South 542 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,759 Africa or Australia are co belligerents, right, we're pulling the 543 00:32:33,799 --> 00:32:39,680 same direction. But ultimately, like and you know, I'm never 544 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:41,720 going to be in a position to make this decision, 545 00:32:41,839 --> 00:32:45,480 But if there were that hypothetical decision, right, which would 546 00:32:45,519 --> 00:32:48,839 you know, advance America at the cost of Canada. It's like, well, 547 00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,240 that's what it is, right to be a nationalist, to 548 00:32:52,279 --> 00:32:55,519 choose your people above others. And so you know, when 549 00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,880 I hear you you're talking about, you know, the need 550 00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,000 to kind of decouple your country from America. To me, 551 00:33:02,039 --> 00:33:05,240 that's entirely rational, right, it's for your people, right abo 552 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:08,039 above others. And look like, let's be honest, it's very 553 00:33:08,119 --> 00:33:10,079 unlikely that that will be some kind of like hot 554 00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,640 war between the new nations. It's the most ridiculous to say, 555 00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,160 but there is something to be said for the fact that, 556 00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:20,799 like there are difficult decisions and there are zero some 557 00:33:21,039 --> 00:33:25,279 games individually, and I think it's very easy, as you know, 558 00:33:25,599 --> 00:33:28,279 a nationalist of your nation to immediately recoil and say like, 559 00:33:28,279 --> 00:33:29,720 oh no, like why would you do that? You must 560 00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,319 be this horrible person. It's like, well, no, he is 561 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,599 just an advocate for his people above all others, which 562 00:33:35,839 --> 00:33:38,359 you know is really what we would hope and expect 563 00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,480 from you know, other nations, other cultures. Just a brief aside, 564 00:33:42,519 --> 00:33:45,319 there is something I get, I guess a little frustrated about, 565 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:46,680 but I. 566 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 4: Think it's much more honest interpretation of how power should function. Though, 567 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:53,000 Like we've been living in this kind of subversive kind 568 00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,119 of rules based international order in the post war period 569 00:33:56,519 --> 00:34:01,720 where people kind of subvert their national interest as especially 570 00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:05,640 the dominant powers, as some sort of fair liberal attitude, 571 00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:08,199 where in the reality it's really just been an extension 572 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,519 of the power for the United States, less so China 573 00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:18,000 and Russia, who maintained disproportionate power either through kind of 574 00:34:18,039 --> 00:34:22,159 the UN Security Council or whatnot. Really it's just the 575 00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:26,679 US bullying people around, not some kind of liberal, fair 576 00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,679 egalitarian system. So it's been this really dishonest thing, and 577 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:31,880 I think we're seeing a kind of crumbling of that. 578 00:34:32,519 --> 00:34:35,679 Trump is representative of that. And we even had our 579 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:38,840 Prime minister at Davos the other week, you know, proclaim 580 00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,960 and end to the or to declare a new world order. 581 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,239 Last night we had our former prime minister, or two 582 00:34:45,320 --> 00:34:48,360 nights ago we had our former Prime minister Stephen Harper 583 00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:50,920 declared that we're in an age of nationalism, and I 584 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,119 do think they're both correct. I do think we're in 585 00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:58,400 this transition period, specifically moving away from the age of 586 00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:03,280 complete American dominance, transitioning from this kind of unipolar power 587 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:07,320 dynamic and geopolitics towards a more multipolar, bipolar system. And 588 00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,320 I think it's natural for a shift to nationalism for 589 00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,559 all the middle powers to occur as a response to that. 590 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,079 In this more kind of chaotic system, everyone has to 591 00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:20,440 be a bit more self interested. So we're seeing that 592 00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:25,519 collapse of the lie that was liberalism in real time. 593 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:29,000 And I think this shift towards back towards nationalism is 594 00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,920 both inevitable and for the interest of everyone. And yes, 595 00:35:32,039 --> 00:35:35,800 sometimes we'll run counter to things, but I do think 596 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:39,760 there is still a there is still space for you know, 597 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:46,800 global alignment within a more nationalist system. There are countries, 598 00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:48,800 like you just pointed out, that we share a lot, 599 00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:52,880 We share history, we share culture and ethnicity, especially within 600 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:57,119 the anglosphere Canada, United States, Australia, Great Britain, New Zealand, 601 00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,920 so on. And I can see these countries working together 602 00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:03,320 for similar goals, Like I have some proposals on things 603 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:07,840 like reforming the asylum system, and really all these countries 604 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,519 are going through very similar problems, and I think we 605 00:36:09,559 --> 00:36:14,440 could work together to find solutions that help all of 606 00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:16,280 us while being consistent with. 607 00:36:16,199 --> 00:36:19,000 Speaker 3: All of our our national interests. 608 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:23,639 Speaker 4: Even if you know, some things like trade and military 609 00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:26,159 arrangements and stuff like this we might have to butt heads. 610 00:36:26,159 --> 00:36:29,280 I think there is still space for kind of global 611 00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,039 alignment on certain things. 612 00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:35,199 Speaker 2: No, certainly, and I really said that to sort of address, 613 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:38,960 let's be honest, just a straw man of an idea. 614 00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:43,440 You see from time to time. One of the things 615 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:49,320 that I have heard from my Canadian friends, and this 616 00:36:49,480 --> 00:36:52,920 is the definition of anecdotal Some guy told me once, 617 00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:55,719 so you know, take that for what it's worth. But 618 00:36:56,440 --> 00:37:01,760 he was talking about the issue us with kind of 619 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,719 like resource extraction and how that is sort of a 620 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:11,599 dividing line in Canadian politics, and so I'm curious right 621 00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:15,639 on that issue, assuming we are pivoting back towards this 622 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,679 kind of era of nationalism, like what becomes of the 623 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,159 kind of like beating heart of Canada, whether that's industry 624 00:37:24,360 --> 00:37:27,400 or you know, resource extraction, because seemingly from the outside 625 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,039 looking in, the Liberal government doesn't seem to like that, right, 626 00:37:32,039 --> 00:37:35,000 They don't seem to like to be blunt about it 627 00:37:35,039 --> 00:37:38,480 things being made and actually done in Canada, And so 628 00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:40,599 I realized it's a slight departure, but I'm curious to 629 00:37:40,639 --> 00:37:44,679 get your your thought on that, because again, there is 630 00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:48,679 also the kind of specter of China in this, right, 631 00:37:48,679 --> 00:37:51,639 They're a major resource producer, they, as you've said, sent 632 00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:53,440 quite a lot of immigrants there. So that's a very 633 00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:57,159 vague collection of ideas with a question kind of depended 634 00:37:57,199 --> 00:37:58,480 on to the end. But I'm curious to get your 635 00:37:58,480 --> 00:37:58,920 thoughts there. 636 00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:02,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, so far this kind of shift towards 637 00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,760 a more nationalist perspective has been a lot of talk 638 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,280 and not a lot of action. So particularly Mark Karney, 639 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,000 since he took over as the leader of the Liberal 640 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:11,719 Party last. 641 00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:14,320 Speaker 3: Year, he has been. 642 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:19,760 Speaker 4: Much more traditionalist in his messaging, like he has been 643 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,079 talking about how we are a union of the three 644 00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:26,599 founding people's British, French and First nations. He's been a 645 00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:28,760 lot more eager to talk about our history. The first 646 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,719 thing he did once he took over as leader was 647 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:35,159 visit the king in our king in the United Kingdom 648 00:38:36,159 --> 00:38:39,480 to visit France instead of going to visit the United States. 649 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,480 Like there was a very clear pivot back towards a 650 00:38:41,480 --> 00:38:46,199 more historical ethos. Not to mention his speechs at Davos 651 00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:48,480 and such, but right after Davos, he came back to 652 00:38:48,559 --> 00:38:51,440 Quebec City, the oldest part of our country, and he 653 00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,440 did his speech where the first ten minutes was all 654 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,800 about our roots and our history in this and then 655 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:01,039 he kind of pitches the same kind of post national 656 00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:07,519 Lester Pearson era multiculturalist kind of messaging. It's a very 657 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:14,000 you know, post nationalist, civic nationalist message dressed up in nationalism. 658 00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:20,360 The Trudeau administration before him was very anti resource and 659 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:24,239 you would expect Mark Carney to be pushing much faster 660 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:27,079 on that in the on the development of those resources. Specifically, 661 00:39:27,159 --> 00:39:31,280 we need pipelines going from Alberta, where most of our 662 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:33,840 oil and natural gases out to both coasts of the 663 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,360 country in order to facilitate international trade. Right now, we 664 00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,239 just have pipelines down to the United States, so we 665 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,119 can't even refine our own products. We we set it 666 00:39:43,320 --> 00:39:48,119 sell it out of a massive discount to you guys. Uh, 667 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,800 But there's been no significant push for this. There's still 668 00:39:50,840 --> 00:39:55,719 this kind of ideological opposition to fossil fuels, you know, 669 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,280 the whole climate change narrative and so on. So a 670 00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,760 real national as government would do what's in the best 671 00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,400 interests of Canadians and develop our ret natural resources to 672 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,440 bring wealth to our people. So we have seen this 673 00:40:07,519 --> 00:40:11,039 kind of surface level adjustment, but there's a long way 674 00:40:11,039 --> 00:40:14,039 to go in order to actually do what's in the 675 00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:15,119 best interests of our people. 676 00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 2: Well, fair enough, man, I'm curious, like you said, your 677 00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:26,159 organization is growing very quickly. What are your goals, what 678 00:40:26,199 --> 00:40:27,679 do you what are you aiming towards, what are you 679 00:40:27,679 --> 00:40:30,360 guys doing And you know, if people are interested, where 680 00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:30,920 can they join? 681 00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,079 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, we have been going very fast. We were 682 00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:39,440 just launched in July of last year. We've had we've 683 00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,599 had liver coverage. We started growing from Stratch and we 684 00:40:42,639 --> 00:40:45,519 already have almost twenty five hundred members across the country. 685 00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:46,639 Speaker 3: Those are paying members. 686 00:40:46,639 --> 00:40:50,159 Speaker 4: Our social medias have blown up where we have you know, 687 00:40:50,199 --> 00:40:53,440 over thirty thousand followers on Facebook or almost thirty thousand 688 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,960 on Twitter and Instagram. We're getting millions of kind of 689 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:02,000 impressions on a monthly basis across our social media channels. Really, 690 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:07,440 our approach to things is metapolitical. We see that politics 691 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,760 is downstream from culture, and as such we aim to 692 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,880 influence Canada's political culture in order to shift the direction 693 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,880 of all major political parties and institutions. So we do 694 00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,280 this through kind of four main pathways. We do it 695 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:23,000 through our kind of media content online. We do it 696 00:41:23,119 --> 00:41:26,719 through grassroots activism. We're building a network of kind local 697 00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:31,559 chapters across the country to engage in classical grassroots politics, 698 00:41:31,840 --> 00:41:37,159 putting up posters, distributing flyers, hosting local gatherings and demonstrations. 699 00:41:38,199 --> 00:41:40,079 We also take a more kind of think tank approach, 700 00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:42,320 what we call intellectual development. We're putting out a series 701 00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:44,360 of kind of white papers throughout this year to expand 702 00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,559 on our ideas in a way in a kind of 703 00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:51,280 language that speaks towards these traditional institutions, governments and political 704 00:41:51,320 --> 00:41:53,440 parties and so on, so they can start to adapt 705 00:41:53,519 --> 00:41:57,239 our ideas as we popularize them more efficiently. And then 706 00:41:57,280 --> 00:42:00,280 the last year is what we call institutional infiltration. We're 707 00:42:00,280 --> 00:42:03,559 looking to get our guys involved in political parties, in 708 00:42:05,039 --> 00:42:08,960 existing institutions and government jobs and so on in order 709 00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:12,800 to create this network of kind of institutional nationalists at 710 00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,440 all levels, so that as the power balance shifts back 711 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:19,400 towards nationalists, will have people well positioned across the country 712 00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,920 in order to completely exert our kind of power and 713 00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,639 influence on society. So those are kind of four main pathways. 714 00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,280 If people are interested in getting more involved, they can 715 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,880 check out our website, Dominion Society dot ca. You can 716 00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,079 find out more about our ideas there and you can 717 00:42:35,119 --> 00:42:36,679 even sign up as a member or make a small 718 00:42:36,679 --> 00:42:39,920 donation in order to help us continue to grow and 719 00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:41,960 influence the kind of political scene here in Canada. 720 00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:46,679 Speaker 2: Yeah. Thanks man, this has been a really interesting conversation. 721 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:47,480 Speaker 3: I am. 722 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 2: I'm very glad that your organization exists, because, like I said, 723 00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:54,000 I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on 724 00:42:54,039 --> 00:42:58,039 Canadian culture. I've been there a number of times, but 725 00:42:58,480 --> 00:43:01,199 you know when I saw the exit of your government 726 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,239 during the past five years. I'll leave it at that. 727 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,320 Not to say words I can't on social media, but 728 00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,239 it was incredibly upsetting right that you know a people 729 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:16,599 who is you're not the same but sort of cousins right, geographically, culturally, 730 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:21,280 very much genetically from the same people, under this kind 731 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:25,239 of petty tyranny. It genuinely morally offended me. Right, it 732 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,679 didn't seem right. And so you know, godspeed on your project. 733 00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:30,800 I think you guys are doing very good work and 734 00:43:30,840 --> 00:43:33,800 I'm excited to see you guys grow. But yeah, Daddiel, 735 00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,119 this has been a ton of fun. Man, Thank you 736 00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:35,880 so much for coming on. 737 00:43:36,599 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, thanks for having me on. 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