1 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,559 Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the show of Martin Willishure host. 2 00:00:23,079 --> 00:00:26,160 We have a great guest. I met him in Washington, 3 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:29,039 d C. And then later we hung out at Contact 4 00:00:29,039 --> 00:00:31,800 in the Desert, Joe Biscato. He's very level headed and 5 00:00:31,839 --> 00:00:34,359 we kind of think a lot alike in the UFO world. 6 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:39,039 So you'll hope you enjoy the show tonight. Upcoming, our 7 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,479 UFO Headlines has moved to Thursday this month in particular, 8 00:00:44,479 --> 00:00:47,479 so that's at nine pm. But before that, at eight pm, 9 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:53,719 we have Ronnie Verney. He's a Brazilian UFO researcher journalist. 10 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,960 I talked to him several years ago. It'd be very interesting. 11 00:00:58,039 --> 00:01:00,799 Glad to have him on next week. I'm pleased to 12 00:01:00,799 --> 00:01:06,280 announce we have retired Rear Admiral Tim Galadet on. He's 13 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,799 going to be talking about his new book. He's been 14 00:01:08,879 --> 00:01:11,920 very active in the UFO world since we had him 15 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:15,159 on a few years ago, so check that out next week. 16 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:19,239 Our blog this Week by Charles Lear is a nineteen 17 00:01:19,439 --> 00:01:24,560 seventy three humanoid case from Indiana. Check out our website 18 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:28,719 PODCASTUFO dot com. We have hundreds of blogs over there, 19 00:01:28,799 --> 00:01:32,480 a lot of interesting historical ones that Charles has written 20 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,159 over the years, and if you'd like to support the 21 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,200 show for two dollars or more a month and get 22 00:01:38,239 --> 00:01:41,120 an ad free experience, you can see that's right on 23 00:01:41,159 --> 00:01:44,879 our website as well. Thanks so much everyone, and enjoy 24 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:53,200 tonight's show. I'm with Joe Biscoto. Joe, welcome to the show. 25 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:56,359 Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me. Been following your work for 26 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:58,879 a long time. It's an honor to be on your show, 27 00:01:58,920 --> 00:01:59,560 so thanks. 28 00:01:59,359 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much. We met in Washington, d C. 29 00:02:01,799 --> 00:02:04,560 At James Fox event and the funny thing is is 30 00:02:05,519 --> 00:02:07,840 you were due to come on my show. I think 31 00:02:08,000 --> 00:02:10,240 what two weeks ago, a week or two ago. Yeah, 32 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,360 and all of a sudden, I said, hey, you're going 33 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,800 to be a contact. Let's just do it. I like 34 00:02:14,879 --> 00:02:17,680 doing person in person. My mug's not in the shop, 35 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,479 but I don't care. But anyway, it's so much better 36 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,000 to do a person to person interview. So here we 37 00:02:24,039 --> 00:02:28,439 are and so it's been a great time. But I 38 00:02:28,479 --> 00:02:32,319 want to go into first of all, your background and 39 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,560 why you have done this with the UAP report. 40 00:02:37,479 --> 00:02:40,879 Speaker 2: UAP Reporting Center, reporting, Twitter and YouTube is where I'm 41 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:41,560 most active. 42 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hear your background and what what got you 43 00:02:44,680 --> 00:02:45,080 interested in. 44 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, it's not too much of an 45 00:02:47,439 --> 00:02:49,879 exciting story, but it goes back to as long as 46 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,360 I can remember, from elementary school. I'd be maybe first 47 00:02:53,360 --> 00:02:57,360 second grade, going into the school library getting books in 48 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:02,039 the Bermuda Triangle or Atlantis or UFOs or Big Anything 49 00:03:02,159 --> 00:03:05,759 and any kind of one of the greater stranger mysteries 50 00:03:05,879 --> 00:03:08,919 of the universe. It was always attracted to it, and 51 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,960 then it just kind of rolled. Then I discovered art 52 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:15,080 Bell as a teenager. I still listened to them almost 53 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:16,639 every day at night when I'm. 54 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:17,840 Speaker 1: Just read with that wonderful voice. 55 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Nobody There's never been anybody like it, Yes, 56 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:22,560 but that's it. So it just kind of got me 57 00:03:22,599 --> 00:03:24,759 into it. And then when I've always been following the 58 00:03:24,800 --> 00:03:28,759 news on UFOs, so maybe two and a half years ago, 59 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:31,159 I'm let me make a Twitter just so I could 60 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:36,439 participate in the conversation around disclosure and stuff. And that 61 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,639 was right around the time the drone stuff was happening. 62 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,199 Speaker 1: New Jersey, which in New Jersey. Yeah, oh wow. 63 00:03:42,240 --> 00:03:44,479 Speaker 2: So I'm from Pennsylvania, so I wasn't that far away, 64 00:03:45,199 --> 00:03:47,759 so I drove there and covered it as best they could. 65 00:03:48,759 --> 00:03:51,280 I'm not far. So I have sources that I spoke to, 66 00:03:51,719 --> 00:03:54,000 Like I have a cousin in the state police that's 67 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:56,360 pretty high ranking in the state police in New Jersey, 68 00:03:57,199 --> 00:03:59,759 and some other people. So I was getting some somewhat 69 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,680 in for me, not really anything big, but I just 70 00:04:02,919 --> 00:04:05,919 blew up from there. My background, I work in law 71 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:10,520 enforcement for a few years. Then I became I'm in 72 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,120 the construction industry, but not in construction. I work for 73 00:04:14,159 --> 00:04:17,360 an equipment manufacturer as a district sales manager, so I 74 00:04:17,399 --> 00:04:19,839 do a lot of traveling and talking to people. And 75 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,560 this is no this has turned into a second full 76 00:04:22,560 --> 00:04:25,560 time job. So my wife has thrilled about it. Let 77 00:04:25,639 --> 00:04:26,120 me tell you. 78 00:04:27,160 --> 00:04:30,920 Speaker 1: Some wives are thrilled about when their husband's occupied. 79 00:04:30,439 --> 00:04:31,639 Speaker 2: Too much exactly. 80 00:04:32,480 --> 00:04:36,920 Speaker 1: But yeah, so can you explain what that is UAP 81 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:37,879 reporting sense? 82 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:41,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. So it's a little a 83 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:46,959 few different things. I post the you know, updates on 84 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:49,560 what's going on in UFO land, so we can have 85 00:04:49,639 --> 00:04:52,720 like a single cleaning house. If somebody's wondering what's happening today, 86 00:04:53,079 --> 00:04:55,759 they can go to our Twitter page and you'll find 87 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,439 all the latest news going on in the in disclosure Land. 88 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:03,199 That's part of it. I also have a website called www. 89 00:05:03,319 --> 00:05:07,600 Dot Thecontact report dot com where people can actually submit 90 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:10,040 UFO sidings stuff like that. 91 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It was more like, yeah, but. 92 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:17,879 Speaker 2: That's that too, absolutely right. So the Contact Report I 93 00:05:17,959 --> 00:05:20,680 do deep dive investigations that I post on there that 94 00:05:20,759 --> 00:05:23,759 I work on for months. Yeah, right, in like long 95 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,199 form investigations. 96 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:27,680 Speaker 1: Your law enforcement package. 97 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:28,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. 98 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 1: Nice. 99 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,959 Speaker 2: Yeah. So my latest one was I Unmasking the Gatekeepers 100 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:36,000 or something like that. It was called but I mean 101 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:38,519 it took a long time. It literally laid out all 102 00:05:38,959 --> 00:05:41,720 how the cover up happens from point A all the 103 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,680 way to point Z in what departments are involved in 104 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,920 all that kind of stuff. So there's that, and then 105 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:52,160 people could submit sighting. So with my law enforcement background, 106 00:05:52,600 --> 00:05:55,600 I studied the move On manual, took the course all 107 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,639 that stuff, so I know how to investigate UFO sidings. 108 00:05:58,959 --> 00:06:03,560 So something comes in that we think is worth investigating, 109 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:07,600 we'll do an underground investigation and interview witnesses and so 110 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,519 it's a little a little bit of everything. To be honest, Now, 111 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:11,480 have you worked. 112 00:06:11,240 --> 00:06:14,199 Speaker 1: With anyone from movef On in any of these words? 113 00:06:14,399 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 2: No, So I am a moof ON member, but I 114 00:06:16,319 --> 00:06:19,040 just to hear my own thing. I have reached out 115 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:22,439 to them multiple times. I've never gotten a response from anybody. 116 00:06:22,519 --> 00:06:26,199 Oh no, Yeah, So they're having this symposium coming up. 117 00:06:26,240 --> 00:06:27,759 I email and said, hey, I would love to be 118 00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:31,959 able to cover this. Somebody responded to me and said, oh, well, 119 00:06:31,399 --> 00:06:35,560 well we'll let you know, but in the meantime, share this. Yes, 120 00:06:35,959 --> 00:06:38,839 really you're going to do that to me, you know. 121 00:06:38,959 --> 00:06:41,720 Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm going to be there and I did 122 00:06:41,879 --> 00:06:45,160 mc it a couple of years ago in Dallas, but 123 00:06:45,600 --> 00:06:49,759 this one's in Kentucky. Yeah, Kentucky, right near Cincinnati. 124 00:06:49,879 --> 00:06:52,759 Speaker 2: I think Ron James does a phenomenal job he does 125 00:06:52,839 --> 00:06:55,639 with MOFON, no doubt about that. The rest of the 126 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,920 organization I'm not too thrilled with. Yeah, make a great journal. 127 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:01,439 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. 128 00:07:01,639 --> 00:07:01,839 Speaker 2: Yeah. 129 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: So I'm going to be doing something there as some 130 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:08,240 capacity this year. So if the listener wants to come out, 131 00:07:08,279 --> 00:07:12,079 it's August twenty seventh through the thirtieth, and one of 132 00:07:12,120 --> 00:07:14,800 my very first listeners is going to be there to meet. 133 00:07:15,160 --> 00:07:16,480 We're going to meet for the first time. 134 00:07:16,839 --> 00:07:17,399 Speaker 2: That's cool. 135 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, fifteen years he's been listening, so wow. Yeah, that's 136 00:07:20,680 --> 00:07:22,319 pretty fun, and that's pretty cool. 137 00:07:22,360 --> 00:07:25,199 Speaker 2: It's being here is just acting so people behind the 138 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,560 accounts like Darcy Weir and Astral and you and just 139 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:32,680 so many others to meet the person behind the account. 140 00:07:32,720 --> 00:07:34,160 That's the best part of it, I think. 141 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. I got to tell you. I was in 142 00:07:36,639 --> 00:07:40,519 line for coffee this morning and everyone was saying hey Rob, 143 00:07:40,639 --> 00:07:43,439 Hey Rob to this guy and it said, jeez, well, 144 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,279 I guess I should know you, Hey Rob, and every 145 00:07:45,319 --> 00:07:47,360 shout to shake his hand. He goes, hey, Martin, you 146 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:53,639 don't remember being on my podcast? No, like, oh yeah, okay, job, 147 00:07:53,639 --> 00:07:58,240 I'm just something lift the veil or something like that. Yeah, yeah, right, anyway, 148 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:00,600 but anyways, got a lot of fans. That's good. 149 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. I did that to doctor Paul Smith last night. 150 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:08,160 I was talking to Admiral Gaia Dat and I'm like, 151 00:08:08,399 --> 00:08:11,319 and he was with from part of doctor Smith from Stargate. 152 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:14,160 Oh yeah, so, and I'm like and I'm like, oh, 153 00:08:14,199 --> 00:08:15,759 who are you? Who are you with? And the guy's like, 154 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:17,959 that's doctor Paul Smith from Stargate. 155 00:08:18,040 --> 00:08:19,879 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I can't know everything. 156 00:08:19,879 --> 00:08:23,839 Speaker 2: And he's like, things of bringing my ego back down disguise. Yeah, 157 00:08:23,879 --> 00:08:25,079 I get it. I get it. Yeah. 158 00:08:25,120 --> 00:08:27,279 Speaker 1: And by the way, I've been so lucky here because 159 00:08:27,319 --> 00:08:29,959 so many people have recognized me and I thought i'd 160 00:08:29,959 --> 00:08:33,000 wear like my podcast UFO T shirt, but I haven't. 161 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,840 But but I've got to meet a lot of fans here. 162 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:39,159 It's and that's that to me, when you hear from 163 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:42,600 people and what you mean to them makes such a 164 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:43,879 big different. 165 00:08:43,679 --> 00:08:46,679 Speaker 2: Most important, most important thing, and especially somebody like you 166 00:08:47,399 --> 00:08:49,600 who's been doing it. I can learn a ton from you. 167 00:08:49,600 --> 00:08:51,639 You've been doing it for so long. And if I 168 00:08:51,639 --> 00:08:54,799 could recommend anybody to follow a podcast, it would be yours. 169 00:08:55,000 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, thank you. I'm not an investigator like you. 170 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,279 I don't do any investigating, but however people send me 171 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:02,440 things all the time. 172 00:09:02,320 --> 00:09:04,159 Speaker 2: And the most of you know how to ask questions 173 00:09:04,320 --> 00:09:06,799 and how to talk, thank you, And that's what brings out. 174 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,120 That's what brings out the information that people. You have 175 00:09:09,159 --> 00:09:11,279 to know how to talk to people, how to ask questions, 176 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,799 and how to get information out of people. And I 177 00:09:13,799 --> 00:09:15,159 think you do pretty well at that. 178 00:09:15,360 --> 00:09:17,799 Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. So what do you think has 179 00:09:18,039 --> 00:09:21,120 some of the better you know, things that you've looked into. 180 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:24,279 You just mentioned a paper you put out, But what 181 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:24,799 are some of. 182 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 2: The really show you a picture, all right, trying. I've 183 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:30,240 shown us the multiple scientists. 184 00:09:30,320 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: All right, all right, so let me just tell the 185 00:09:32,519 --> 00:09:35,519 listener that I will get this from you and it 186 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:36,559 will be in the show notes. 187 00:09:36,639 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 2: Yea, I will send it to you. 188 00:09:37,919 --> 00:09:39,399 Speaker 1: Okay, So let me show you this. 189 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,320 Speaker 2: I've shown it to Science Bomb. I've showed it and 190 00:09:42,399 --> 00:09:46,039 asked an astro physicist that's here, a physicist that's here, 191 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:48,559 and nobody can explain it. Now. 192 00:09:48,679 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still working, and I've told my listening audience 193 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:55,879 with a guy that lives in Ireland who is off 194 00:09:55,879 --> 00:09:58,759 the coast of Italy and had on a cruise ship 195 00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:02,759 and had forty minutes of film and this thing is incredible. 196 00:10:02,879 --> 00:10:03,600 So I can't wait. 197 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:04,600 Speaker 2: Take a look at that. 198 00:10:04,879 --> 00:10:07,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh, well see we'll just put it here, 199 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:11,000 but we will. I'll get the picture. That's uh, that's 200 00:10:11,039 --> 00:10:12,120 actually quite beautiful. 201 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:15,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like Nebula. It's pretty, it's pretty neat. 202 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,639 That's somebody New Jersey took that Ronald Drone thing was happening. 203 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:22,799 Ryan Graves put that person in touch with the FBI. 204 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:28,080 The person never responded to me since before that we 205 00:10:28,080 --> 00:10:30,039 were talking all the time make up that way. 206 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: He didn't like that it was given to the FBI. 207 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 2: I don't know. I never talked him after he talked 208 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:39,240 to the FBI. So you work with Ryan and then no, no, no, no no, 209 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,440 So this person so this person sent that to me. 210 00:10:42,639 --> 00:10:44,559 He also sent it to Ryan greg I got it. 211 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,000 Ryan Graves put him in touch with the FBI. He said, Okay, 212 00:10:48,039 --> 00:10:51,039 today's my meeting with the FBI. Going to meet with him. 213 00:10:51,919 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 1: He's dead ghost. 214 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,559 Speaker 2: He's said that probably was assassinated for sure. But the picture, 215 00:10:57,639 --> 00:10:59,679 nobody seems to be able to explain. It is one 216 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,799 of the best better pictures I've seen. I went to 217 00:11:02,879 --> 00:11:05,559 New Jersey as well, Like we were talking about, I 218 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:07,919 did see stuff like that with my own eyes. 219 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:11,440 Speaker 1: Nice. Oh so, I mean it's such a mystery, isn't it. 220 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:16,840 I mean incredible. They seem odd you know, they were, Yeah, 221 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:20,519 they were a lot of people have reported odd things. Now, 222 00:11:20,759 --> 00:11:24,519 maybe they came off the coast, off a Chinese boat, 223 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:27,879 off the coast or whatever and flew back. That's the 224 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:30,000 real curious thing. They didn't really know where they were 225 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:33,600 coming from or where they're going too, exactly right. 226 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:35,919 Speaker 2: So, like I said, I had a contact in the 227 00:11:35,919 --> 00:11:38,840 state Police. That's pretty high ranking. I spoke to him 228 00:11:38,879 --> 00:11:41,000 when now that was going on, and since they still 229 00:11:41,039 --> 00:11:43,720 don't know where they came from, they tried to track them. 230 00:11:43,759 --> 00:11:46,159 They tried with the best technology they have to bring 231 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,039 one down pervious to anything they tried to do, and 232 00:11:50,799 --> 00:11:54,960 there was These weren't misidentified planes. These weren't people in 233 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:58,039 their backyards with drones. I was standing in the Hilton 234 00:11:58,120 --> 00:12:01,240 parking lot looking up. There was at least twelve of 235 00:12:01,240 --> 00:12:05,519 them at one time, just circling. And not only that, 236 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,279 not all of them, but some of them would change. 237 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,919 You would see a drone like a larger drone, maybe 238 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:15,320 the size of an suv. It would go up a 239 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,200 little bit and then it would like transform into an 240 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:21,399 orb and that's what that picture is of. Oh well, 241 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:23,080 that was in the process. 242 00:12:22,879 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: That you're changing drone exactly right. 243 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,639 Speaker 2: Exactly right. So were some of them probably drunes? Was 244 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:30,960 it China saying hey, don't mess with us. You can 245 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,639 do this anytime we want. It's possible, but I don't 246 00:12:33,639 --> 00:12:34,879 think they have something that could do that. 247 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:39,039 Speaker 1: Now, there are some people that are under the impression 248 00:12:39,279 --> 00:12:43,279 that the actual military based incursions were another branch of 249 00:12:43,320 --> 00:12:46,600 the military trying to test another branch of the military, 250 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:50,080 and I don't understand, you know. I've had at least 251 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:53,240 one person say, yes, they do that same thing with 252 00:12:53,279 --> 00:12:55,799 the tic TAC. I don't know if I really buy that. 253 00:12:56,000 --> 00:12:59,399 And I know Ross Koltard and others will say that, 254 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,799 you know the tic TACs are you know, manufactured? I'm 255 00:13:03,799 --> 00:13:08,960 trying to remember Lockheed, that's right, Rockheed Martin, and I don't. 256 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,840 I can't understand, you know. And I've had discussions and 257 00:13:12,919 --> 00:13:15,679 some people say, oh, yeah, we've had this technology, that 258 00:13:15,720 --> 00:13:18,840 they can do this, travel so fast and stop on 259 00:13:18,879 --> 00:13:22,200 a diamond all that. My question would be, if we 260 00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:24,600 did have that technology in two thousand and four when 261 00:13:24,639 --> 00:13:29,679 the tic TAC incident happened, why aren't we using them? Are? 262 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:33,159 You know? And we've had conflicts and it seems to 263 00:13:33,159 --> 00:13:35,399 me that would be very valuable to use something like that. 264 00:13:35,559 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely, we're in a conflict. We use the F thirty five, 265 00:13:38,159 --> 00:13:41,320 that's not secret. We use our stealth bombers. I'd be 266 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,879 fifty two. So why are we keeping this secret? We 267 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:46,879 want people to know if this is truly ours for 268 00:13:46,919 --> 00:13:50,559 a defense capability, why would we not let our adversaries know? 269 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:54,600 We have it is a deterrent. Yeah, that doesn't holme 270 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:57,919 water to me. And the argument that this was a 271 00:13:57,919 --> 00:14:01,159 branch of the military testing another branch of the military, 272 00:14:01,399 --> 00:14:04,679 there is zero percent that would happen without the base 273 00:14:04,759 --> 00:14:07,039 commander being aware of it. And I can tell you 274 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:10,679 with one thousand percent certainty, the commander at Picatinny Arsenal 275 00:14:10,960 --> 00:14:13,600 had no idea what was happening above his base in 276 00:14:13,600 --> 00:14:17,039 New Jersey. I know that for a certainty. So yeah, 277 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,679 I don't buy that. I don't buy that either. 278 00:14:18,919 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: So back in twenty twenty four, when I was at 279 00:14:21,759 --> 00:14:29,039 the ozark UFO conference, I was interviewing Kevin Day and 280 00:14:29,879 --> 00:14:34,360 I told him that theory about another branch testing and 281 00:14:34,879 --> 00:14:37,679 his face turned red. He was angry. He said, if 282 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:41,399 that's the case, you know, he just would He said, 283 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,440 that's impossible that they would do that. And he said, 284 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:45,559 if that's the case, then there's going to be this 285 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,320 is going to be exposed, you know, and all that 286 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:50,840 and you lawsuits and whatever, because why would you put 287 00:14:50,879 --> 00:14:54,720 these people in the risk of harm, you know, exactly 288 00:14:54,759 --> 00:14:55,840 for a test? 289 00:14:56,120 --> 00:14:58,840 Speaker 2: So why would be we moving F twenty two fighter 290 00:14:58,919 --> 00:15:02,240 jets from the base in Virginia, moving it to other 291 00:15:02,279 --> 00:15:04,399 bases because they were afraid of what was happening on 292 00:15:04,559 --> 00:15:07,559 over their base. We're not doing the Army is not 293 00:15:07,600 --> 00:15:10,480 doing that to the Navy or vice versa. It just 294 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:11,559 doesn't happen. 295 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:14,679 Speaker 1: Unless if someone's listening to this and they have information 296 00:15:15,039 --> 00:15:17,679 to the contrary, Please do get in touch with me. Yeah, 297 00:15:17,679 --> 00:15:21,159 because you know, i'd like it's an interesting and you 298 00:15:21,200 --> 00:15:25,399 can say anonymous, right, i'd be interest. Don't make anything up, right, 299 00:15:25,639 --> 00:15:28,919 have something to back it up. Yeah, So would you 300 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:33,080 consider this this road you've gone down, like, it's just 301 00:15:33,080 --> 00:15:38,799 been really interesting to you and fulfilling in ways. You know. 302 00:15:39,200 --> 00:15:41,279 One thing when we go to a place like this, 303 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,039 it's just so great connecting with people, you know, and 304 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:46,399 I'm sure you're doing a lot of that. 305 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:49,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably the best part of it. Like I said, 306 00:15:49,519 --> 00:15:51,960 a lot of work. It's a second full time job 307 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,840 for very little reward. Yes, but it's you know, if 308 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:57,559 you're in it for the reward, you're probably doing it 309 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,840 for the wrong reason. It's nice if you can make money, 310 00:16:00,159 --> 00:16:04,240 I mean while keeping your integrity. Yes, sat would be great. 311 00:16:04,279 --> 00:16:05,720 I think that's the key part. When a lot of 312 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,559 people in our community can learn without naming names. You 313 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:11,559 can make money while keeping your integrity. You don't have 314 00:16:11,639 --> 00:16:14,519 to lie like doctor Michael Salad. I don't know if 315 00:16:14,519 --> 00:16:17,000 you saw that. Just put out a thing that amys 316 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:20,360 Bridge is alive and working in a secret lab somewhere. 317 00:16:20,679 --> 00:16:23,080 I mean, we have to have some integrity people, We 318 00:16:23,159 --> 00:16:26,600 have to have morals. You know. I post things that 319 00:16:27,919 --> 00:16:30,279 might be a little out there, but I'll never post 320 00:16:30,279 --> 00:16:32,320 something that I know is fake and say, hey, this 321 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,039 is true. I know this for a fact. I'll post. 322 00:16:35,080 --> 00:16:37,799 Make up your own mind, here's what I saw. Yeah, 323 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,480 it's your decision. We have to have some form of 324 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,639 integrity in this community or we're just going to keep 325 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,519 sending ourselves back to the beginning line. 326 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,039 Speaker 1: I gotta tell you always. I'm going to not name 327 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,480 this podcast, but I was on a podcast and the 328 00:16:52,639 --> 00:16:56,960 guy sent some video of a UFO site and I 329 00:16:57,039 --> 00:17:02,000 clearly saw it was something other than a UFO, and 330 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,519 so I go, wow, that's really an amazing that's really 331 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:08,000 quite an amazing clip and it really looks like something. 332 00:17:08,000 --> 00:17:10,319 And then wanted to explain what it was. And it's 333 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:12,079 been a while, so I can't tell you what it 334 00:17:12,119 --> 00:17:15,680 was at this point, but he edited out everything that 335 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,880 I said that this is prosaic, and it sounds like 336 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,960 I'm saying this is really great, and then the next 337 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,039 guy seeing is really great. 338 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,480 Speaker 2: So you don't need to be this on it. 339 00:17:24,519 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: There's so much great stuff out there? Why we don't 340 00:17:27,039 --> 00:17:27,640 need to do this? 341 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:31,079 Speaker 2: Exactly right, we're talking about the greatest mystery in the 342 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,839 history of humanity. Yes, why what's possibly need to. 343 00:17:34,759 --> 00:17:36,559 Speaker 1: Miss your life after death? And why are we here? 344 00:17:36,799 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 2: Exactly right? It doesn't get better than that. Nothing you 345 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,839 can make up is as good as what's really out there, 346 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,079 So you just need to do the work to find 347 00:17:44,160 --> 00:17:46,279 what's really out there. But it's a lot easier just 348 00:17:46,279 --> 00:17:48,039 to make something up. I guess people don't want to 349 00:17:48,039 --> 00:17:49,640 take the time to find the real stuff. 350 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, are people contacting with anything other than uap 351 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:55,440 UFOs or is. 352 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,400 Speaker 2: It just that I mean just UFOs? Yeah, I do 353 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,680 hear from a lot of people. I got emails, I 354 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:03,000 get a lot of messages. You have to know how 355 00:18:03,079 --> 00:18:06,359 to separate fact from fishing. Maybe who might be a 356 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:09,079 little crazy, who you might want to talk to further 357 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:13,000 that leads you on a certain path, So I do 358 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,400 do So, I just talked to somebody message me twenty 359 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:23,319 twenty seven. He says he's ninety eight percent sure there's 360 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,440 going to be an NHI landing and a solar event. 361 00:18:26,720 --> 00:18:28,000 I know for a fact the guy. I know it 362 00:18:28,079 --> 00:18:30,519 sounds out there. The guy's not crazy. He's an executive. 363 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:36,160 He's a serious person. He owns a marketing agency, successful one. 364 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:38,160 I don't know how much I should say. It's not 365 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,119 really my story, but no one's listening. Jake Barber, right, 366 00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:45,200 Jake Barber contacted this person really, yeah, pretending to be 367 00:18:45,559 --> 00:18:48,799 somebody else. Person has receipts of it. Oh my god, 368 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:49,799 said his name was Eric. 369 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, why didn't use Dennis Pablo Sartze. 370 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,880 Speaker 2: Right, right? He could have used Dennis, but then he 371 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,759 met he was just so the first meeting was just 372 00:18:57,839 --> 00:19:01,440 to say about business, Hey want to use your agency. 373 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:04,119 So then you call him back maybe six months later. 374 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,279 And this person that we're talking about and some kind 375 00:19:07,319 --> 00:19:14,200 of encounter years before with an Ahi somehow the person 376 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,759 that said he was Eric, that was really Jake knew 377 00:19:16,839 --> 00:19:20,599 about it. He brought it up to him. So that's 378 00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,720 just the kind of stuff that I get messaged. This 379 00:19:22,799 --> 00:19:25,720 person has receipts to back all that up. Who he 380 00:19:25,759 --> 00:19:28,920 met with the emails from this person all that stuff. 381 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,359 So it's the kind of stuff you get every day. 382 00:19:31,799 --> 00:19:36,079 But it's just knowing who to believe, who not to believe, 383 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:38,839 and try to not chase your tail in the process. 384 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, you certainly can waste a lot of time for 385 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:45,839 you know, it's good to rule out the prosaic first 386 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,240 quickly if you can, because there's so many other really 387 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:53,359 amazing things I think. So can you explain what it's 388 00:19:53,440 --> 00:19:57,960 like when you investigate a case? How does that come down? 389 00:19:58,319 --> 00:20:01,000 First of all, I get the information through you're reporting. 390 00:20:01,279 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 2: Yea, So they go to the contact report dot com. 391 00:20:04,039 --> 00:20:06,079 Like I said, there's a mechanism on there to report. 392 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:09,039 So people go on you know, the date that it happened. 393 00:20:09,039 --> 00:20:10,720 What did you see? What shape was it? 394 00:20:11,079 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: Any images or video? 395 00:20:13,000 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, you can add images and video. So we'll get 396 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,400 the uh, we'll get that documentation, we'll read the encounter, 397 00:20:20,599 --> 00:20:26,079 contact the person. If it's plausible, we'll travel to well, 398 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,400 I'll travel to the place that this happened and then 399 00:20:29,559 --> 00:20:32,440 try to interview people and talk to people or in 400 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,799 the surrounding area. Did you see anything, So say it 401 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:38,200 happened on Spring Street. I'll knock on some neighbors doors, 402 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,519 stuff like that. Did you happen to see anything at 403 00:20:40,519 --> 00:20:43,279 this date and time? Do you have any pictures, video, 404 00:20:43,559 --> 00:20:46,359 take witness statements, And it depends what they said. If 405 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,839 they say something landed, you got to check the ground, 406 00:20:50,079 --> 00:20:53,319 was there any signatures of radiation or anything like that. 407 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,480 So that's what goes into it. It's a lot of work. 408 00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:58,200 It's just me. So I only have so much time. 409 00:20:58,240 --> 00:20:59,640 Like I said, I have a family of a wife, 410 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:00,920 a kid, I have a full time. 411 00:21:00,799 --> 00:21:03,319 Speaker 1: Job, and you're traveling and stuff. That's a lot yeah 412 00:21:03,319 --> 00:21:03,599 to do. 413 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:04,880 Speaker 2: And I travel for work. 414 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:08,559 Speaker 1: So you know that this is a passion. If you're 415 00:21:08,599 --> 00:21:12,119 if you're if you're doing that putting this much energy into. 416 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly right. It is. It's like we said, 417 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,000 it's the greatest It's the greatest mystery in the history 418 00:21:19,079 --> 00:21:19,680 of the world. 419 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,519 Speaker 1: And do you get frustrated like I do sometimes My 420 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:27,039 producer slash girlfriend Donna and I talk about this a 421 00:21:27,079 --> 00:21:30,599 lot where something seems so incredible and like the rest 422 00:21:30,599 --> 00:21:32,000 of the world is not even looking. 423 00:21:32,960 --> 00:21:35,279 Speaker 2: Yeah all the time, like that picture I just showed you. 424 00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:38,359 I posted that multiple times. Can somebody tell me what 425 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:45,279 this is or billionaires building bunkers. So this twenty twenty seven, right, 426 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:48,359 keep hearing about that. Yes, I posted an article on 427 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,880 the contact report dot com a list of all the 428 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:54,640 billionaires in the last two years who have built underground bunkers. 429 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,519 And the list is long, all the names. 430 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,759 Speaker 1: Basis in the United States, this is about eight hundred billionaires. 431 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,039 Speaker 2: It was just crazy. 432 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,599 Speaker 1: Yes, Canada is eighty two. The reason, I there's some 433 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,319 type of reason. I know that. I don't know why. 434 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,119 I don't know. 435 00:22:09,400 --> 00:22:12,359 Speaker 2: It's too many people, regardless, not that many people should 436 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:15,720 have that much money, but why are they building bunkers 437 00:22:15,720 --> 00:22:17,960 all of a sudden, does it? And why? You know 438 00:22:18,079 --> 00:22:21,400 Louislazondo who keeps saying, spend time with your family, spend 439 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,359 time with your loved ones. You name the title of 440 00:22:23,400 --> 00:22:26,920 his book, Imminent. Yeah, I mean when you connect these thoughts, 441 00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:31,880 it's pretty concerning. Why are the bunker business is busier 442 00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:33,599 now than it's ever been? 443 00:22:33,839 --> 00:22:34,920 Speaker 1: Isn't that something? 444 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 2: Why? 445 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:36,039 Speaker 1: Yeah? 446 00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:38,240 Speaker 2: I think it's a fair question to ask, and I 447 00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,880 think more people should be asking. It's back to your question. Yeah, 448 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,920 it does get frustrating. Why is nobody seeing this and say, hey, 449 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,160 what the hell is going on here? 450 00:22:46,400 --> 00:22:48,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I will tell you with the last couple 451 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:52,160 of releases, you know, more people have contacted me that 452 00:22:52,240 --> 00:22:55,720 are my friends that know this is an interest than 453 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,640 has ever before. So that does make a difference. But 454 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:03,799 it's unfortunate that the alien dot gov posting came out 455 00:23:03,839 --> 00:23:06,599 recently that I feel like that's you know, I don't 456 00:23:06,599 --> 00:23:08,119 want to get into it too much because I stay 457 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,480 away from politics, but I do feel like that is 458 00:23:11,559 --> 00:23:17,079 definitely not helping and it's making us look like idiots. Yeah, 459 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,599 that's kind of how I feel, or making it look 460 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,960 I don't really need to get much more into it. 461 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,400 It's just that I was pretty disappointed, and even I've 462 00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:30,359 talked to people that are totally in support of whatever 463 00:23:30,799 --> 00:23:34,400 the administration does and that are not happy about that. 464 00:23:34,839 --> 00:23:36,880 Speaker 2: You know, I wish those people would make their voices 465 00:23:37,119 --> 00:23:42,119 heard publicly, like Representative Burchet, Representative Luna. You know, their 466 00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:44,599 big allies at the president and that's fine, but if 467 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,640 your friends and if your allies, you should be able 468 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,799 to call each other out what Steak is made. Yeah, 469 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,599 he made a lot of people look like fools controls, 470 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:56,680 and you know there's you know, we're getting all your 471 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,960 hopes up and then here, Yeah, come on, we can 472 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:00,640 better than that. 473 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: Yeah. 474 00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:02,160 Speaker 2: Yeah. 475 00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: So anyway, that's just much into politics that I've ever 476 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:07,000 gotten into this show for a long time. 477 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:12,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's not get any further dangerous topic it is. Yeah, say, 478 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:13,880 I stay all the way away from it. 479 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:16,799 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm lucky attering watch the news. Yeah 480 00:24:17,319 --> 00:24:22,079 yeah yeah. But so what is your overall goal with this? 481 00:24:22,279 --> 00:24:25,839 I mean, are you hoping to help come up with 482 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,599 something that you know, more people can look at, and 483 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:30,440 you know, what is your what is your goal of 484 00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:32,400 having this website and the work you do. 485 00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, the end goal is to find out the truth, 486 00:24:35,839 --> 00:24:39,359 whether that's working with other people, whether that's getting a 487 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:43,400 sighting that is just irrefutable pictures of an alien, whatever 488 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:44,119 the case may be. 489 00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:46,920 Speaker 1: But then, of course, wait a minute, wait a minute, here, 490 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:48,039 I have to do this. 491 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 2: Yes, we found it, we found the alien. 492 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,039 Speaker 1: Okay, I'll have to get a picture of that to 493 00:24:55,039 --> 00:24:55,880 put in the show notes. 494 00:24:56,039 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: Yeah absolutely, yeah, but yeah, that that is the that 495 00:24:59,759 --> 00:25:02,759 is the end goal, this to find out the truth. Yeah. 496 00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:06,039 I just had a fascinating conversation with Sarah gamm. 497 00:25:06,079 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: Oh she's wonderful. 498 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:10,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I thought the interview went phenomenally yeah. 499 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 1: She's an amazing woman. Now I didn't get into the talk, 500 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,480 but my producer Donna went into her talking she's been 501 00:25:17,559 --> 00:25:21,160 in like war zones and you know, she's just and 502 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,160 I see her. She was out where was she was 503 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,079 in Joshua tweet hiking the other day. 504 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:28,599 Speaker 2: She's like, really, really, she's an amazing an impressive girl 505 00:25:28,759 --> 00:25:31,920 and very very nice. Yea very very nice for sure. 506 00:25:32,039 --> 00:25:35,559 And when George and Jeremy, George Napp and Jeremy Corbell 507 00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:37,400 went after her like they did, I didn't think that 508 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:37,960 was fair. 509 00:25:38,319 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: I didn't catch that, but I don't really pay attention 510 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:40,440 to it. 511 00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:46,160 Speaker 2: So the jellyfish uap. But yes, so Jeremy put that out. 512 00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:49,079 She said, I saw this. I saw the report. Yeah, 513 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,640 and I was. I didn't make the report, but I 514 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:54,559 read the report when I was in government. It's balloons. Yeah, 515 00:25:55,079 --> 00:25:58,440 Jeremy and George attacked her, and she thought she had 516 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,240 a very good point. Is like I just talk to 517 00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:03,119 Jeremy a few days before that, like he has my number, 518 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:04,519 he has that happy. 519 00:26:04,279 --> 00:26:09,079 Speaker 1: Hour and when public instead of I've had that happen 520 00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,759 to me. I've had people attack me that have my 521 00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:14,839 phone number in a public venue and I've told them 522 00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,240 to lose my contact information, and you know that's a 523 00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:17,920 good response. 524 00:26:18,039 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, friends like that. You don't need enemies, that's right. 525 00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:23,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. But anyway, I'm very sorry to hear that because Sarah, 526 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,359 you know, she doesn't have a mean bone in her body, 527 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,839 and she was just calling it the way she saw it. 528 00:26:30,039 --> 00:26:32,240 So that's really that's really too bad they did that. 529 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:35,440 And you know what I mean, when someone has a 530 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:38,680 belief and they don't want to let go of it, 531 00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:44,119 they oftentimes just do the wrong thing. Right, it sounds wrong. 532 00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:46,799 Speaker 2: You have to go where the data tells you. The 533 00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:51,200 truth is. If the data says the Jellyfish or any 534 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,400 other video is real is balloons, you have to go 535 00:26:55,480 --> 00:26:57,599 where the data tells you to go. That's not personal. 536 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,559 Speaker 1: Now, I got to tell you about my friend Dean 537 00:26:59,599 --> 00:27:01,400 Elio to the film that he had. 538 00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 2: Want to interviewed him last week as well. 539 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,599 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Deans. Dean's a great guy. So Dean did 540 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,240 this film and Kevin Kanuth was in it, and I 541 00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:13,240 really respect Kevin Kanuth a lot. So they brought this 542 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,519 and some people who have watched the movie, I apologize 543 00:27:16,519 --> 00:27:21,440 for you already know this. So they brought the materials 544 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:26,880 supposed to crash debris from a UAP to a science lab, 545 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,240 and Kevin's all excited about it. They have a special 546 00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:32,240 box they bring it in and so it shows this 547 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,759 in the movie. They keep cutting back to it in 548 00:27:34,799 --> 00:27:37,720 the work they're doing, you know, testing. Kevin goes in 549 00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:41,440 to get the results and the guy basically says, hey, 550 00:27:41,519 --> 00:27:45,319 it's all terrestrial, you know, elements and there's nothing at all. 551 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:50,079 And Kevin just says, that's science and that's what you 552 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:52,359 have to do instead of you know, a lot of 553 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:56,759 people would sensationalize that and not try to change and 554 00:27:57,319 --> 00:28:00,359 you know, try to make it sensational. But I inspect 555 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,599 Kevin Kanuuth and I respect Dean for putting that in 556 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:04,160 his movie. 557 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:06,599 Speaker 2: Couldn't I couldn't agree more. The data. Let the data 558 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,759 tell the story that it's going to tell. Yeah, you 559 00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:12,519 could still make a fascinating movie with it. And the 560 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:14,359 movie from what I've seen, I haven't seen it. I 561 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,480 saw the trailer. Talk to Dean. It looks phenomenal. I 562 00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:19,880 cannot wait to see it, and I think, you know, 563 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:23,720 I think it's a very well timed because there's a 564 00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:26,160 lot going on in the disclosure movement. And I think 565 00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:30,519 it told the experiencer angle of it has been completely 566 00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:32,880 put to the side. They don't have a seat at 567 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:35,000 the table. Who are we to say, you talk. 568 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:38,079 Speaker 1: About his experience movie that this is a different movie. 569 00:28:38,279 --> 00:28:40,680 Oh yeah, he had two. He has two movies out 570 00:28:40,759 --> 00:28:41,720 right now, and I. 571 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,079 Speaker 2: Was talking about the experiences. 572 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:46,119 Speaker 1: The experience is a whole different one. But we did 573 00:28:46,119 --> 00:28:48,160 see that last night, and I really highly recommend that 574 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,480 to anyone because it's really I love the fact that 575 00:28:51,759 --> 00:28:53,720 you know, these people are going to feel more supported 576 00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:56,559 a lot of them because you know it's handled very well, 577 00:28:56,599 --> 00:28:58,839 and I like the way he does He did the movie, 578 00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:01,599 So I recommend That'll be coming out on Amazon soon. 579 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, Tuesday, I think. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to 580 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,039 seeing it. But I think we're a long past time 581 00:29:07,079 --> 00:29:10,920 of giving those people a voice. Yes, yeah, who's better. 582 00:29:11,359 --> 00:29:13,960 All these people are not making it up. Maybe some 583 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,279 people are, but the every person who has ever reported 584 00:29:17,319 --> 00:29:21,440 an experience or an abduction, they're not making up the story. 585 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,839 It's just a statistical improbability. 586 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:29,519 Speaker 1: He has a lot of clips in there of doctor 587 00:29:29,599 --> 00:29:34,039 John Mack and basically saying that these people aren't making 588 00:29:34,039 --> 00:29:36,839 this up. They're not delusional, They don't have, you know, 589 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:42,839 emotional problems that he can find as a Harvard psychologist psychiatrist. 590 00:29:42,920 --> 00:29:46,799 I mean, so anyway, I think I think it's good 591 00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:49,480 for support for whatever they're going through. And I'm not 592 00:29:49,519 --> 00:29:51,559 going to say that I know what's going on. I 593 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,160 was on the fence about all that at first, But 594 00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:57,599 I don't know, and I don't know how people can 595 00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,400 live with some of the stuff that's supposedly happened to them. 596 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, it would be hard to function, you know, 597 00:30:03,319 --> 00:30:07,079 And I said on I interviewed Dean, I called the experience. 598 00:30:07,079 --> 00:30:10,240 There's victims, and maybe not all of them, but a 599 00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:12,759 lot of them are victory. To look, he little bit 600 00:30:12,759 --> 00:30:15,839 took a shoe with saying that word that they're victim 601 00:30:16,279 --> 00:30:19,480 when you're taking against your will and things done to you. 602 00:30:20,759 --> 00:30:22,839 I don't care if you think that. It's just my opinion. 603 00:30:23,000 --> 00:30:25,440 I don't think it's all love and peace and light. 604 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,480 You're stealing me from my bed, you're doing things to 605 00:30:29,519 --> 00:30:32,400 me against my will, but then afterwards we shake hands 606 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:34,640 and give me your love and light. I don't know. 607 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,279 It doesn't say, doesn't scream love and light to me. 608 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,400 So I don't think it's all love and light and 609 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,160 all that, right. 610 00:30:41,319 --> 00:30:46,119 Speaker 1: But see, Yeah, so I had a person close to 611 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,079 me contact me because they knew that I do the show. 612 00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:54,240 And it's a person that's very nervous, a lot of anxiety, 613 00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:58,039 very very nice person. And they said, oh, I had 614 00:30:58,039 --> 00:31:02,000 this dream and everything this about the dream sounded exactly 615 00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:07,319 like an alien abduction. And they said to me, you 616 00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,000 don't ever hear anything like that, And I said, no, no, no, no, 617 00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:14,279 it's like, you know, I know this person that if 618 00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:17,960 I said yes, then they would be a basket case. 619 00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:22,839 And yeah, I think so. I don't like lying, but 620 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:27,519 you know, I felt like that was appropriate. Yeah, yeah, 621 00:31:28,359 --> 00:31:31,920 So can you tell me you mentioned this one very 622 00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:36,039 interesting thing about the Department of Energy person and all that. 623 00:31:36,119 --> 00:31:39,119 I think that's very interesting. Do you have some other 624 00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:43,480 cases that you think that are interesting, really interesting that 625 00:31:43,519 --> 00:31:47,400 you've looked into. It doesn't necessarily have to be something 626 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,799 reported to you, I mean, just in general, if you 627 00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:52,480 want to say what you think is some of the 628 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,279 the interesting cases you follow. 629 00:31:54,640 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I've been trying to trace the twenty twenty seven, 630 00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:04,079 who's on it, where it originated? 631 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,279 Speaker 1: I tried to do that too. 632 00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,720 Speaker 2: What did you come up with I talked. 633 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: To John Ramire's former CIA Oh, that's yeah, and he 634 00:32:12,559 --> 00:32:16,680 came up with it. And he wouldn't. He wouldn't. I mean, 635 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:18,319 he mentioned it on my show and I said, yeah, 636 00:32:18,359 --> 00:32:20,599 I keep hearing the twenty twenty seven and you know, 637 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:23,559 what do we know? And you know all that, and 638 00:32:23,640 --> 00:32:25,559 so he wouldn't. I talked to him on the phone 639 00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:27,799 because I thought I could get some information. I called 640 00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:30,359 him up and this was after I did the show 641 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,880 with him. Okay, I said, can you please share with me, 642 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:35,680 you know, directly, and I think we're on signal or 643 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,680 something something, you know, encrypted, It wasn't just a regular 644 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,640 phone line, so he could feel comfortable and he wouldn't 645 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,759 really tell me. They said, he's been told by somebody. 646 00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,400 Wouldn't really go into the detail of it. So I 647 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,160 don't know what to think about it, you know, but 648 00:32:50,279 --> 00:32:52,440 I do think there's a lot of moving parts right 649 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,319 now and you never know what will happen. But it 650 00:32:56,359 --> 00:32:59,759 sounds to me that you think it might be something. 651 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:03,119 You know, the people are building bunkers, so that's concerning 652 00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:03,680 you obviously. 653 00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my main focus has Ben is trying to 654 00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:09,400 get to the bottom of what's going on, because this 655 00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:13,039 is something that's gonna affect our children, our families, our lives. 656 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:16,079 What could be more important than that? And these aren't 657 00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:19,480 They shouldn't just be loose rumors we're throwing around. If 658 00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:23,480 somebody knows something that's a cataclysm is going to happen 659 00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,960 in a year from now, we deserve to know. So 660 00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,640 we need to find out who does know and try 661 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:33,319 to get the truth out of them. That's the peel 662 00:33:33,920 --> 00:33:35,759 pieces of the onion I'm trying to peel back. 663 00:33:35,920 --> 00:33:38,119 Speaker 1: Well, I think it's good that you're looking into a pigure. 664 00:33:38,119 --> 00:33:40,759 I don't think a lot of people are. And you know, 665 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:44,000 maybe just follow the path wherever it goes, and if 666 00:33:44,039 --> 00:33:47,519 you find out something really interesting, I certainly want to know. 667 00:33:47,759 --> 00:33:51,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be certain to share it, believe me. Yeah. Yeah, 668 00:33:51,119 --> 00:33:52,759 So that's what I'm focused on. I have a couple 669 00:33:52,799 --> 00:33:55,279 of people that I have leads that I'm going to 670 00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:59,200 speak to and we'll see, we'll see where it goes. 671 00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:04,440 Speaker 1: And louel Asundo, what do you know about what he's 672 00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:06,440 saying about that. 673 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 2: He's a complicated case. 674 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:11,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. 675 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 2: If I had a guess, I'd say he's probably still 676 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,360 working for the government. 677 00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:17,639 Speaker 1: So you're not the only one that's said that. Yeah, 678 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,280 I'm not going to say anything one way or the other. 679 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,920 Speaker 2: I don't know, right, but it seems like a nice 680 00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,559 enough guy, like a nice guy and nothing against them. 681 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:28,360 He's doing his job. But I do think he's so 682 00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:31,840 just recently, he's coming out with new information about He 683 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:33,679 just had an interview a week or two ago about 684 00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:37,360 hybrid programs and abductions and stuff like that. You know, 685 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,880 he never talked about that before. Why is he talking 686 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:43,000 about it now? Was he given permission by the government 687 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:46,679 to share some more information? And if so, why are 688 00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:51,320 they preparing us? Are they preparing us with these disclosure drops, 689 00:34:51,679 --> 00:34:54,000 with what lou is saying now and getting us ready 690 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:58,280 for this event that's going to happen in twenty twenty seven. 691 00:34:58,639 --> 00:35:01,920 So I'm luel Azondo. I think I think he's just 692 00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,400 telling us what the government tells him to say. Let's 693 00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:06,880 say he's a bad guy, He's doing his job. It's 694 00:35:06,719 --> 00:35:11,519 just his job. Yeah, So that's that's what I think. 695 00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:15,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting and the truth will be revealed eventually, 696 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:18,360 I would think, maybe not. 697 00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:20,119 Speaker 2: Right, And you know, I do want to add one 698 00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:24,039 more thing, actually, so Gene sticko. Yes, engineering infinity, I 699 00:35:24,039 --> 00:35:27,320 think it's called but his father in law's work. Yes, right, 700 00:35:28,519 --> 00:35:34,960 I think it's a conundrum. So here's why he has diagrams, notes, 701 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:39,039 all this stuff from his father in law Russia. And 702 00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:41,880 all he's saying is, hey, tell me why this is 703 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:46,800 wrong and I'll go away. Yeah, nobody seems to be 704 00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:49,920 wanting to do that. Why. I just find that to 705 00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:53,199 be very, very curious. And then, like I said, if 706 00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,480 it's nothing, it's just the drawings of an old man 707 00:35:55,519 --> 00:36:00,360 who's drunk, let's just prove it. Why is nobody doings? 708 00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:01,960 Speaker 1: That's what they call them in Russia? 709 00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:04,679 Speaker 2: I say that again, pansa, What does that mean? 710 00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:06,400 Speaker 1: Means you like alcohol a little too much? 711 00:36:06,559 --> 00:36:09,840 Speaker 2: Oh that's everybody in Russia. Everybody. 712 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,000 Speaker 1: So why do I know that? No? 713 00:36:11,199 --> 00:36:15,079 Speaker 2: Right? Right? But I think that's interesting. Why is nobody 714 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,480 looking at this? And it seems like people are not 715 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:20,719 making it a point not to look at it. There's 716 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:24,320 a reason for it. It's not just that people aren't interested. Yeah, 717 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,039 So I think it's curious. So I think people should 718 00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:32,039 tell Jane why his work is not right. Anybody watching this? 719 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: Yes, And I've tried to connect him with people that. 720 00:36:35,079 --> 00:36:37,800 I know that with the Russian background stuff like that, 721 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,360 but we'll see. No one ever seems to want to 722 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:41,920 get back to me about it either. 723 00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:43,079 Speaker 2: Isn't that curious? 724 00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:44,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of weird. 725 00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's pretty curious. 726 00:36:46,119 --> 00:36:49,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, this has been excellent and it's been I'm 727 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:51,000 so glad that we did this in person. It's so 728 00:36:51,079 --> 00:36:51,559 much better. 729 00:36:51,679 --> 00:36:54,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. This is my first time, actually this weekend, 730 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:57,519 interviewing people in person. I've been so nervous about it now, 731 00:36:57,519 --> 00:37:02,079 but yesterday today, it's so much better to be able 732 00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:05,480 to see people's facial expressions, talk to them, and my 733 00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:07,360 biggest thing is where to put the camera. But I 734 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,519 think I was over analyzing it. Look at you just 735 00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:13,440 set that up, simple, beautiful. Well that's what I should 736 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:13,920 have been doing. 737 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,480 Speaker 1: I'm sure I could get some critique, and that's okay 738 00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:17,280 right now. 739 00:37:17,559 --> 00:37:19,599 Speaker 2: I'm sure it's great you know what you're doing, learn 740 00:37:19,639 --> 00:37:21,840 from you, but sort of thank you for having me on. 741 00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:22,480 Speaker 1: Thanks so much. 742 00:37:22,920 --> 00:37:24,199 Speaker 2: That's our absolute pleasure 743 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:28,639 Speaker 1: Everyone, So thank you all for watching, and remember to 744 00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:41,360 keep your eyes to the sky.