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d C. And then later we hung out at Contact
in the Desert, Joe Biscato. He's very level headed and
we kind of think a lot alike in the UFO world.
So you'll hope you enjoy the show tonight. Upcoming, our
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I talked to him several years ago. It'd be very interesting.
Glad to have him on next week. I'm pleased to
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tonight's show. I'm with Joe Biscoto. Joe, welcome to the show.
Speaker 2: Hey, thanks for having me. Been following your work for
a long time. It's an honor to be on your show,
so thanks.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much. We met in Washington, d C.
At James Fox event and the funny thing is is
you were due to come on my show. I think
what two weeks ago, a week or two ago. Yeah,
and all of a sudden, I said, hey, you're going
to be a contact. Let's just do it. I like
doing person in person. My mug's not in the shop,
but I don't care. But anyway, it's so much better
to do a person to person interview. So here we
are and so it's been a great time. But I
want to go into first of all, your background and
why you have done this with the UAP report.
Speaker 2: UAP Reporting Center, reporting, Twitter and YouTube is where I'm
most active.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's hear your background and what what got you
interested in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, it's not too much of an
exciting story, but it goes back to as long as
I can remember, from elementary school. I'd be maybe first
second grade, going into the school library getting books in
the Bermuda Triangle or Atlantis or UFOs or Big Anything
and any kind of one of the greater stranger mysteries
of the universe. It was always attracted to it, and
then it just kind of rolled. Then I discovered art
Bell as a teenager. I still listened to them almost
every day at night when I'm.
Speaker 1: Just read with that wonderful voice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. Nobody There's never been anybody like it, Yes,
but that's it. So it just kind of got me
into it. And then when I've always been following the
news on UFOs, so maybe two and a half years ago,
I'm let me make a Twitter just so I could
participate in the conversation around disclosure and stuff. And that
was right around the time the drone stuff was happening.
Speaker 1: New Jersey, which in New Jersey. Yeah, oh wow.
Speaker 2: So I'm from Pennsylvania, so I wasn't that far away,
so I drove there and covered it as best they could.
I'm not far. So I have sources that I spoke to,
Like I have a cousin in the state police that's
pretty high ranking in the state police in New Jersey,
and some other people. So I was getting some somewhat
in for me, not really anything big, but I just
blew up from there. My background, I work in law
enforcement for a few years. Then I became I'm in
the construction industry, but not in construction. I work for
an equipment manufacturer as a district sales manager, so I
do a lot of traveling and talking to people. And
this is no this has turned into a second full
time job. So my wife has thrilled about it. Let
me tell you.
Speaker 1: Some wives are thrilled about when their husband's occupied.
Speaker 2: Too much exactly.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so can you explain what that is UAP
reporting sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a great question. So it's a little a
few different things. I post the you know, updates on
what's going on in UFO land, so we can have
like a single cleaning house. If somebody's wondering what's happening today,
they can go to our Twitter page and you'll find
all the latest news going on in the in disclosure Land.
That's part of it. I also have a website called www.
Dot Thecontact report dot com where people can actually submit
UFO sidings stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I was thinking. It was more like, yeah, but.
Speaker 2: That's that too, absolutely right. So the Contact Report I
do deep dive investigations that I post on there that
I work on for months. Yeah, right, in like long
form investigations.
Speaker 1: Your law enforcement package.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So my latest one was I Unmasking the Gatekeepers
or something like that. It was called but I mean
it took a long time. It literally laid out all
how the cover up happens from point A all the
way to point Z in what departments are involved in
all that kind of stuff. So there's that, and then
people could submit sighting. So with my law enforcement background,
I studied the move On manual, took the course all
that stuff, so I know how to investigate UFO sidings.
So something comes in that we think is worth investigating,
we'll do an underground investigation and interview witnesses and so
it's a little a little bit of everything. To be honest, Now,
have you worked.
Speaker 1: With anyone from movef On in any of these words?
Speaker 2: No, So I am a moof ON member, but I
just to hear my own thing. I have reached out
to them multiple times. I've never gotten a response from anybody.
Oh no, Yeah, So they're having this symposium coming up.
I email and said, hey, I would love to be
able to cover this. Somebody responded to me and said, oh, well,
well we'll let you know, but in the meantime, share this. Yes,
really you're going to do that to me, you know.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm going to be there and I did
mc it a couple of years ago in Dallas, but
this one's in Kentucky. Yeah, Kentucky, right near Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: I think Ron James does a phenomenal job he does
with MOFON, no doubt about that. The rest of the
organization I'm not too thrilled with. Yeah, make a great journal.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to be doing something there as some
capacity this year. So if the listener wants to come out,
it's August twenty seventh through the thirtieth, and one of
my very first listeners is going to be there to meet.
We're going to meet for the first time.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah, fifteen years he's been listening, so wow. Yeah, that's
pretty fun, and that's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: It's being here is just acting so people behind the
accounts like Darcy Weir and Astral and you and just
so many others to meet the person behind the account.
That's the best part of it, I think.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely. I got to tell you. I was in
line for coffee this morning and everyone was saying hey Rob,
Hey Rob to this guy and it said, jeez, well,
I guess I should know you, Hey Rob, and every
shout to shake his hand. He goes, hey, Martin, you
don't remember being on my podcast? No, like, oh yeah, okay, job,
I'm just something lift the veil or something like that. Yeah, yeah, right, anyway,
but anyways, got a lot of fans. That's good.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I did that to doctor Paul Smith last night.
I was talking to Admiral Gaia Dat and I'm like,
and he was with from part of doctor Smith from Stargate.
Oh yeah, so, and I'm like and I'm like, oh,
who are you? Who are you with? And the guy's like,
that's doctor Paul Smith from Stargate.
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I can't know everything.
Speaker 2: And he's like, things of bringing my ego back down disguise. Yeah,
I get it. I get it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And by the way, I've been so lucky here because
so many people have recognized me and I thought i'd
wear like my podcast UFO T shirt, but I haven't.
But but I've got to meet a lot of fans here.
It's and that's that to me, when you hear from
people and what you mean to them makes such a
big different.
Speaker 2: Most important, most important thing, and especially somebody like you
who's been doing it. I can learn a ton from you.
You've been doing it for so long. And if I
could recommend anybody to follow a podcast, it would be yours.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, thank you. I'm not an investigator like you.
I don't do any investigating, but however people send me
things all the time.
Speaker 2: And the most of you know how to ask questions
and how to talk, thank you, And that's what brings out.
That's what brings out the information that people. You have
to know how to talk to people, how to ask questions,
and how to get information out of people. And I
think you do pretty well at that.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Thank you. So what do you think has
some of the better you know, things that you've looked into.
You just mentioned a paper you put out, But what
are some of.
Speaker 2: The really show you a picture, all right, trying. I've
shown us the multiple scientists.
Speaker 1: All right, all right, so let me just tell the
listener that I will get this from you and it
will be in the show notes.
Speaker 2: Yea, I will send it to you.
Speaker 1: Okay, So let me show you this.
Speaker 2: I've shown it to Science Bomb. I've showed it and
asked an astro physicist that's here, a physicist that's here,
and nobody can explain it. Now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm still working, and I've told my listening audience
with a guy that lives in Ireland who is off
the coast of Italy and had on a cruise ship
and had forty minutes of film and this thing is incredible.
So I can't wait.
Speaker 2: Take a look at that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh, well see we'll just put it here,
but we will. I'll get the picture. That's uh, that's
actually quite beautiful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like Nebula. It's pretty, it's pretty neat.
That's somebody New Jersey took that Ronald Drone thing was happening.
Ryan Graves put that person in touch with the FBI.
The person never responded to me since before that we
were talking all the time make up that way.
Speaker 1: He didn't like that it was given to the FBI.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I never talked him after he talked
to the FBI. So you work with Ryan and then no, no, no, no no,
So this person so this person sent that to me.
He also sent it to Ryan greg I got it.
Ryan Graves put him in touch with the FBI. He said, Okay,
today's my meeting with the FBI. Going to meet with him.
Speaker 1: He's dead ghost.
Speaker 2: He's said that probably was assassinated for sure. But the picture,
nobody seems to be able to explain. It is one
of the best better pictures I've seen. I went to
New Jersey as well, Like we were talking about, I
did see stuff like that with my own eyes.
Speaker 1: Nice. Oh so, I mean it's such a mystery, isn't it.
I mean incredible. They seem odd you know, they were, Yeah,
they were a lot of people have reported odd things. Now,
maybe they came off the coast, off a Chinese boat,
off the coast or whatever and flew back. That's the
real curious thing. They didn't really know where they were
coming from or where they're going too, exactly right.
Speaker 2: So, like I said, I had a contact in the
state Police. That's pretty high ranking. I spoke to him
when now that was going on, and since they still
don't know where they came from, they tried to track them.
They tried with the best technology they have to bring
one down pervious to anything they tried to do, and
there was These weren't misidentified planes. These weren't people in
their backyards with drones. I was standing in the Hilton
parking lot looking up. There was at least twelve of
them at one time, just circling. And not only that,
not all of them, but some of them would change.
You would see a drone like a larger drone, maybe
the size of an suv. It would go up a
little bit and then it would like transform into an
orb and that's what that picture is of. Oh well,
that was in the process.
Speaker 1: That you're changing drone exactly right.
Speaker 2: Exactly right. So were some of them probably drunes? Was
it China saying hey, don't mess with us. You can
do this anytime we want. It's possible, but I don't
think they have something that could do that.
Speaker 1: Now, there are some people that are under the impression
that the actual military based incursions were another branch of
the military trying to test another branch of the military,
and I don't understand, you know. I've had at least
one person say, yes, they do that same thing with
the tic TAC. I don't know if I really buy that.
And I know Ross Koltard and others will say that,
you know the tic TACs are you know, manufactured? I'm
trying to remember Lockheed, that's right, Rockheed Martin, and I don't.
I can't understand, you know. And I've had discussions and
some people say, oh, yeah, we've had this technology, that
they can do this, travel so fast and stop on
a diamond all that. My question would be, if we
did have that technology in two thousand and four when
the tic TAC incident happened, why aren't we using them? Are?
You know? And we've had conflicts and it seems to
me that would be very valuable to use something like that.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we're in a conflict. We use the F thirty five,
that's not secret. We use our stealth bombers. I'd be
fifty two. So why are we keeping this secret? We
want people to know if this is truly ours for
a defense capability, why would we not let our adversaries know?
We have it is a deterrent. Yeah, that doesn't holme
water to me. And the argument that this was a
branch of the military testing another branch of the military,
there is zero percent that would happen without the base
commander being aware of it. And I can tell you
with one thousand percent certainty, the commander at Picatinny Arsenal
had no idea what was happening above his base in
New Jersey. I know that for a certainty. So yeah,
I don't buy that. I don't buy that either.
Speaker 1: So back in twenty twenty four, when I was at
the ozark UFO conference, I was interviewing Kevin Day and
I told him that theory about another branch testing and
his face turned red. He was angry. He said, if
that's the case, you know, he just would He said,
that's impossible that they would do that. And he said,
if that's the case, then there's going to be this
is going to be exposed, you know, and all that
and you lawsuits and whatever, because why would you put
these people in the risk of harm, you know, exactly
for a test?
Speaker 2: So why would be we moving F twenty two fighter
jets from the base in Virginia, moving it to other
bases because they were afraid of what was happening on
over their base. We're not doing the Army is not
doing that to the Navy or vice versa. It just
doesn't happen.
Speaker 1: Unless if someone's listening to this and they have information
to the contrary, Please do get in touch with me. Yeah,
because you know, i'd like it's an interesting and you
can say anonymous, right, i'd be interest. Don't make anything up, right,
have something to back it up. Yeah, So would you
consider this this road you've gone down, like, it's just
been really interesting to you and fulfilling in ways. You know.
One thing when we go to a place like this,
it's just so great connecting with people, you know, and
I'm sure you're doing a lot of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's probably the best part of it. Like I said,
a lot of work. It's a second full time job
for very little reward. Yes, but it's you know, if
you're in it for the reward, you're probably doing it
for the wrong reason. It's nice if you can make money,
I mean while keeping your integrity. Yes, sat would be great.
I think that's the key part. When a lot of
people in our community can learn without naming names. You
can make money while keeping your integrity. You don't have
to lie like doctor Michael Salad. I don't know if
you saw that. Just put out a thing that amys
Bridge is alive and working in a secret lab somewhere.
I mean, we have to have some integrity people, We
have to have morals. You know. I post things that
might be a little out there, but I'll never post
something that I know is fake and say, hey, this
is true. I know this for a fact. I'll post.
Make up your own mind, here's what I saw. Yeah,
it's your decision. We have to have some form of
integrity in this community or we're just going to keep
sending ourselves back to the beginning line.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you always. I'm going to not name
this podcast, but I was on a podcast and the
guy sent some video of a UFO site and I
clearly saw it was something other than a UFO, and
so I go, wow, that's really an amazing that's really
quite an amazing clip and it really looks like something.
And then wanted to explain what it was. And it's
been a while, so I can't tell you what it
was at this point, but he edited out everything that
I said that this is prosaic, and it sounds like
I'm saying this is really great, and then the next
guy seeing is really great.
Speaker 2: So you don't need to be this on it.
Speaker 1: There's so much great stuff out there? Why we don't
need to do this?
Speaker 2: Exactly right, we're talking about the greatest mystery in the
history of humanity. Yes, why what's possibly need to.
Speaker 1: Miss your life after death? And why are we here?
Speaker 2: Exactly right? It doesn't get better than that. Nothing you
can make up is as good as what's really out there,
So you just need to do the work to find
what's really out there. But it's a lot easier just
to make something up. I guess people don't want to
take the time to find the real stuff.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, are people contacting with anything other than uap
UFOs or is.
Speaker 2: It just that I mean just UFOs? Yeah, I do
hear from a lot of people. I got emails, I
get a lot of messages. You have to know how
to separate fact from fishing. Maybe who might be a
little crazy, who you might want to talk to further
that leads you on a certain path, So I do
do So, I just talked to somebody message me twenty
twenty seven. He says he's ninety eight percent sure there's
going to be an NHI landing and a solar event.
I know for a fact the guy. I know it
sounds out there. The guy's not crazy. He's an executive.
He's a serious person. He owns a marketing agency, successful one.
I don't know how much I should say. It's not
really my story, but no one's listening. Jake Barber, right,
Jake Barber contacted this person really, yeah, pretending to be
somebody else. Person has receipts of it. Oh my god,
said his name was Eric.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why didn't use Dennis Pablo Sartze.
Speaker 2: Right, right? He could have used Dennis, but then he
met he was just so the first meeting was just
to say about business, Hey want to use your agency.
So then you call him back maybe six months later.
And this person that we're talking about and some kind
of encounter years before with an Ahi somehow the person
that said he was Eric, that was really Jake knew
about it. He brought it up to him. So that's
just the kind of stuff that I get messaged. This
person has receipts to back all that up. Who he
met with the emails from this person all that stuff.
So it's the kind of stuff you get every day.
But it's just knowing who to believe, who not to believe,
and try to not chase your tail in the process.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you certainly can waste a lot of time for
you know, it's good to rule out the prosaic first
quickly if you can, because there's so many other really
amazing things I think. So can you explain what it's
like when you investigate a case? How does that come down?
First of all, I get the information through you're reporting.
Speaker 2: Yea, So they go to the contact report dot com.
Like I said, there's a mechanism on there to report.
So people go on you know, the date that it happened.
What did you see? What shape was it?
Speaker 1: Any images or video?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can add images and video. So we'll get
the uh, we'll get that documentation, we'll read the encounter,
contact the person. If it's plausible, we'll travel to well,
I'll travel to the place that this happened and then
try to interview people and talk to people or in
the surrounding area. Did you see anything, So say it
happened on Spring Street. I'll knock on some neighbors doors,
stuff like that. Did you happen to see anything at
this date and time? Do you have any pictures, video,
take witness statements, And it depends what they said. If
they say something landed, you got to check the ground,
was there any signatures of radiation or anything like that.
So that's what goes into it. It's a lot of work.
It's just me. So I only have so much time.
Like I said, I have a family of a wife,
a kid, I have a full time.
Speaker 1: Job, and you're traveling and stuff. That's a lot yeah
to do.
Speaker 2: And I travel for work.
Speaker 1: So you know that this is a passion. If you're
if you're if you're doing that putting this much energy into.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly right. It is. It's like we said,
it's the greatest It's the greatest mystery in the history
of the world.
Speaker 1: And do you get frustrated like I do sometimes My
producer slash girlfriend Donna and I talk about this a
lot where something seems so incredible and like the rest
of the world is not even looking.
Speaker 2: Yeah all the time, like that picture I just showed you.
I posted that multiple times. Can somebody tell me what
this is or billionaires building bunkers. So this twenty twenty seven, right,
keep hearing about that. Yes, I posted an article on
the contact report dot com a list of all the
billionaires in the last two years who have built underground bunkers.
And the list is long, all the names.
Speaker 1: Basis in the United States, this is about eight hundred billionaires.
Speaker 2: It was just crazy.
Speaker 1: Yes, Canada is eighty two. The reason, I there's some
type of reason. I know that. I don't know why.
I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's too many people, regardless, not that many people should
have that much money, but why are they building bunkers
all of a sudden, does it? And why? You know
Louislazondo who keeps saying, spend time with your family, spend
time with your loved ones. You name the title of
his book, Imminent. Yeah, I mean when you connect these thoughts,
it's pretty concerning. Why are the bunker business is busier
now than it's ever been?
Speaker 1: Isn't that something?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I think it's a fair question to ask, and I
think more people should be asking. It's back to your question. Yeah,
it does get frustrating. Why is nobody seeing this and say, hey,
what the hell is going on here?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I will tell you with the last couple
of releases, you know, more people have contacted me that
are my friends that know this is an interest than
has ever before. So that does make a difference. But
it's unfortunate that the alien dot gov posting came out
recently that I feel like that's you know, I don't
want to get into it too much because I stay
away from politics, but I do feel like that is
definitely not helping and it's making us look like idiots. Yeah,
that's kind of how I feel, or making it look
I don't really need to get much more into it.
It's just that I was pretty disappointed, and even I've
talked to people that are totally in support of whatever
the administration does and that are not happy about that.
Speaker 2: You know, I wish those people would make their voices
heard publicly, like Representative Burchet, Representative Luna. You know, their
big allies at the president and that's fine, but if
your friends and if your allies, you should be able
to call each other out what Steak is made. Yeah,
he made a lot of people look like fools controls,
and you know there's you know, we're getting all your
hopes up and then here, Yeah, come on, we can
better than that.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So anyway, that's just much into politics that I've ever
gotten into this show for a long time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's not get any further dangerous topic it is. Yeah, say,
I stay all the way away from it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm lucky attering watch the news. Yeah
yeah yeah. But so what is your overall goal with this?
I mean, are you hoping to help come up with
something that you know, more people can look at, and
you know, what is your what is your goal of
having this website and the work you do.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the end goal is to find out the truth,
whether that's working with other people, whether that's getting a
sighting that is just irrefutable pictures of an alien, whatever
the case may be.
Speaker 1: But then, of course, wait a minute, wait a minute, here,
I have to do this.
Speaker 2: Yes, we found it, we found the alien.
Speaker 1: Okay, I'll have to get a picture of that to
put in the show notes.
Speaker 2: Yeah absolutely, yeah, but yeah, that that is the that
is the end goal, this to find out the truth. Yeah.
I just had a fascinating conversation with Sarah gamm.
Speaker 1: Oh she's wonderful.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, I thought the interview went phenomenally yeah.
Speaker 1: She's an amazing woman. Now I didn't get into the talk,
but my producer Donna went into her talking she's been
in like war zones and you know, she's just and
I see her. She was out where was she was
in Joshua tweet hiking the other day.
Speaker 2: She's like, really, really, she's an amazing an impressive girl
and very very nice. Yea very very nice for sure.
And when George and Jeremy, George Napp and Jeremy Corbell
went after her like they did, I didn't think that
was fair.
Speaker 1: I didn't catch that, but I don't really pay attention
to it.
Speaker 2: So the jellyfish uap. But yes, so Jeremy put that out.
She said, I saw this. I saw the report. Yeah,
and I was. I didn't make the report, but I
read the report when I was in government. It's balloons. Yeah,
Jeremy and George attacked her, and she thought she had
a very good point. Is like I just talk to
Jeremy a few days before that, like he has my number,
he has that happy.
Speaker 1: Hour and when public instead of I've had that happen
to me. I've had people attack me that have my
phone number in a public venue and I've told them
to lose my contact information, and you know that's a
good response.
Speaker 2: Yeah, friends like that. You don't need enemies, that's right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. But anyway, I'm very sorry to hear that because Sarah,
you know, she doesn't have a mean bone in her body,
and she was just calling it the way she saw it.
So that's really that's really too bad they did that.
And you know what I mean, when someone has a
belief and they don't want to let go of it,
they oftentimes just do the wrong thing. Right, it sounds wrong.
Speaker 2: You have to go where the data tells you. The
truth is. If the data says the Jellyfish or any
other video is real is balloons, you have to go
where the data tells you to go. That's not personal.
Speaker 1: Now, I got to tell you about my friend Dean
Elio to the film that he had.
Speaker 2: Want to interviewed him last week as well.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Deans. Dean's a great guy. So Dean did
this film and Kevin Kanuth was in it, and I
really respect Kevin Kanuth a lot. So they brought this
and some people who have watched the movie, I apologize
for you already know this. So they brought the materials
supposed to crash debris from a UAP to a science lab,
and Kevin's all excited about it. They have a special
box they bring it in and so it shows this
in the movie. They keep cutting back to it in
the work they're doing, you know, testing. Kevin goes in
to get the results and the guy basically says, hey,
it's all terrestrial, you know, elements and there's nothing at all.
And Kevin just says, that's science and that's what you
have to do instead of you know, a lot of
people would sensationalize that and not try to change and
you know, try to make it sensational. But I inspect
Kevin Kanuuth and I respect Dean for putting that in
his movie.
Speaker 2: Couldn't I couldn't agree more. The data. Let the data
tell the story that it's going to tell. Yeah, you
could still make a fascinating movie with it. And the
movie from what I've seen, I haven't seen it. I
saw the trailer. Talk to Dean. It looks phenomenal. I
cannot wait to see it, and I think, you know,
I think it's a very well timed because there's a
lot going on in the disclosure movement. And I think
it told the experiencer angle of it has been completely
put to the side. They don't have a seat at
the table. Who are we to say, you talk.
Speaker 1: About his experience movie that this is a different movie.
Oh yeah, he had two. He has two movies out
right now, and I.
Speaker 2: Was talking about the experiences.
Speaker 1: The experience is a whole different one. But we did
see that last night, and I really highly recommend that
to anyone because it's really I love the fact that
you know, these people are going to feel more supported
a lot of them because you know it's handled very well,
and I like the way he does He did the movie,
So I recommend That'll be coming out on Amazon soon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tuesday, I think. Yeah, I'm really looking forward to
seeing it. But I think we're a long past time
of giving those people a voice. Yes, yeah, who's better.
All these people are not making it up. Maybe some
people are, but the every person who has ever reported
an experience or an abduction, they're not making up the story.
It's just a statistical improbability.
Speaker 1: He has a lot of clips in there of doctor
John Mack and basically saying that these people aren't making
this up. They're not delusional, They don't have, you know,
emotional problems that he can find as a Harvard psychologist psychiatrist.
I mean, so anyway, I think I think it's good
for support for whatever they're going through. And I'm not
going to say that I know what's going on. I
was on the fence about all that at first, But
I don't know, and I don't know how people can
live with some of the stuff that's supposedly happened to them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, it would be hard to function, you know,
And I said on I interviewed Dean, I called the experience.
There's victims, and maybe not all of them, but a
lot of them are victory. To look, he little bit
took a shoe with saying that word that they're victim
when you're taking against your will and things done to you.
I don't care if you think that. It's just my opinion.
I don't think it's all love and peace and light.
You're stealing me from my bed, you're doing things to
me against my will, but then afterwards we shake hands
and give me your love and light. I don't know.
It doesn't say, doesn't scream love and light to me.
So I don't think it's all love and light and
all that, right.
Speaker 1: But see, Yeah, so I had a person close to
me contact me because they knew that I do the show.
And it's a person that's very nervous, a lot of anxiety,
very very nice person. And they said, oh, I had
this dream and everything this about the dream sounded exactly
like an alien abduction. And they said to me, you
don't ever hear anything like that, And I said, no, no, no, no,
it's like, you know, I know this person that if
I said yes, then they would be a basket case.
And yeah, I think so. I don't like lying, but
you know, I felt like that was appropriate. Yeah, yeah,
So can you tell me you mentioned this one very
interesting thing about the Department of Energy person and all that.
I think that's very interesting. Do you have some other
cases that you think that are interesting, really interesting that
you've looked into. It doesn't necessarily have to be something
reported to you, I mean, just in general, if you
want to say what you think is some of the
the interesting cases you follow.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So I've been trying to trace the twenty twenty seven,
who's on it, where it originated?
Speaker 1: I tried to do that too.
Speaker 2: What did you come up with I talked.
Speaker 1: To John Ramire's former CIA Oh, that's yeah, and he
came up with it. And he wouldn't. He wouldn't. I mean,
he mentioned it on my show and I said, yeah,
I keep hearing the twenty twenty seven and you know,
what do we know? And you know all that, and
so he wouldn't. I talked to him on the phone
because I thought I could get some information. I called
him up and this was after I did the show
with him. Okay, I said, can you please share with me,
you know, directly, and I think we're on signal or
something something, you know, encrypted, It wasn't just a regular
phone line, so he could feel comfortable and he wouldn't
really tell me. They said, he's been told by somebody.
Wouldn't really go into the detail of it. So I
don't know what to think about it, you know, but
I do think there's a lot of moving parts right
now and you never know what will happen. But it
sounds to me that you think it might be something.
You know, the people are building bunkers, so that's concerning
you obviously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's my main focus has Ben is trying to
get to the bottom of what's going on, because this
is something that's gonna affect our children, our families, our lives.
What could be more important than that? And these aren't
They shouldn't just be loose rumors we're throwing around. If
somebody knows something that's a cataclysm is going to happen
in a year from now, we deserve to know. So
we need to find out who does know and try
to get the truth out of them. That's the peel
pieces of the onion I'm trying to peel back.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it's good that you're looking into a pigure.
I don't think a lot of people are. And you know,
maybe just follow the path wherever it goes, and if
you find out something really interesting, I certainly want to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll be certain to share it, believe me. Yeah. Yeah,
So that's what I'm focused on. I have a couple
of people that I have leads that I'm going to
speak to and we'll see, we'll see where it goes.
Speaker 1: And louel Asundo, what do you know about what he's
saying about that.
Speaker 2: He's a complicated case.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If I had a guess, I'd say he's probably still
working for the government.
Speaker 1: So you're not the only one that's said that. Yeah,
I'm not going to say anything one way or the other.
Speaker 2: I don't know, right, but it seems like a nice
enough guy, like a nice guy and nothing against them.
He's doing his job. But I do think he's so
just recently, he's coming out with new information about He
just had an interview a week or two ago about
hybrid programs and abductions and stuff like that. You know,
he never talked about that before. Why is he talking
about it now? Was he given permission by the government
to share some more information? And if so, why are
they preparing us? Are they preparing us with these disclosure drops,
with what lou is saying now and getting us ready
for this event that's going to happen in twenty twenty seven.
So I'm luel Azondo. I think I think he's just
telling us what the government tells him to say. Let's
say he's a bad guy, He's doing his job. It's
just his job. Yeah, So that's that's what I think.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting and the truth will be revealed eventually,
I would think, maybe not.
Speaker 2: Right, And you know, I do want to add one
more thing, actually, so Gene sticko. Yes, engineering infinity, I
think it's called but his father in law's work. Yes, right,
I think it's a conundrum. So here's why he has diagrams, notes,
all this stuff from his father in law Russia. And
all he's saying is, hey, tell me why this is
wrong and I'll go away. Yeah, nobody seems to be
wanting to do that. Why. I just find that to
be very, very curious. And then, like I said, if
it's nothing, it's just the drawings of an old man
who's drunk, let's just prove it. Why is nobody doings?
Speaker 1: That's what they call them in Russia?
Speaker 2: I say that again, pansa, What does that mean?
Speaker 1: Means you like alcohol a little too much?
Speaker 2: Oh that's everybody in Russia. Everybody.
Speaker 1: So why do I know that? No?
Speaker 2: Right? Right? But I think that's interesting. Why is nobody
looking at this? And it seems like people are not
making it a point not to look at it. There's
a reason for it. It's not just that people aren't interested. Yeah,
So I think it's curious. So I think people should
tell Jane why his work is not right. Anybody watching this?
Speaker 1: Yes, And I've tried to connect him with people that.
I know that with the Russian background stuff like that,
but we'll see. No one ever seems to want to
get back to me about it either.
Speaker 2: Isn't that curious?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's kind of weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's pretty curious.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, this has been excellent and it's been I'm
so glad that we did this in person. It's so
much better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. This is my first time, actually this weekend,
interviewing people in person. I've been so nervous about it now,
but yesterday today, it's so much better to be able
to see people's facial expressions, talk to them, and my
biggest thing is where to put the camera. But I
think I was over analyzing it. Look at you just
set that up, simple, beautiful. Well that's what I should
have been doing.
Speaker 1: I'm sure I could get some critique, and that's okay
right now.
Speaker 2: I'm sure it's great you know what you're doing, learn
from you, but sort of thank you for having me on.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much.
Speaker 2: That's our absolute pleasure
Speaker 1: Everyone, So thank you all for watching, and remember to
keep your eyes to the sky.