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Now let's dive into today's episode. I like to welcome

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to the show, Sarah Kay Grace, Hey do Sarah?

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Speaker 2: What's up? Alex Ferrari?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Were you doing? Sarah? Grace is so good.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for having me here today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming down to Next Level

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Soil Studios. You. I wanted to bring you on because

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I've had a lot of psychics on mediums on but

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you are unique in the space because you used to

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be a paramedic. Correct, And I'm fascined. We're going to

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get deep into all of that. But at what point,

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let's go back a bit more. At what point did

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you start to sense that, hey, I got something that

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not other people around me have access to, or you

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started to feel different or see things or hear things,

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or just understand these abilities that you had.

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Speaker 2: I was a kid seven years old. I grew up

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in South Dakota, tiny town, middle of nowhere, pre internet.

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Speaker 1: Very open to psychic abilities, not.

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Speaker 2: At all, very conservative, and my nuclear family of origin

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was very volatile, and to put it mildly, so I

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didn't necessarily have the safety and the normal structure of

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a supportive family. And so I was a kid. I

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was riding around on my little bananasy bike, you know,

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And one day I went to bed, and the next

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day I woke up and I could see. It began

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with orc fields. So for me, it was like, you know,

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you see a street lamp at nighttime, you see the

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glow around. So I started to kind of see that

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around people into colors all the time, all the time.

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And it began with that, and then it went into

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some energetics around like the earth. And then it went

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into feeling other people's feelings and sensing what they were

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thinking or what their intention was, or if they were lying.

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And then I began to be able to see disease

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in people's body. I'm a little kid man, middle of nowhere, right.

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I couldn't google anything, like, I didn't have any sense

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of understanding, and I couldn't just go to my family

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and be like, hey, this is this okay. So I

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was hoping it would go away, and I just kind

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of waited it out for probably a few weeks or months,

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and it only got worse, and so I was very spacey,

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kind of disoriented. I had a lot of headaches, and

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I finally asked a family friend and I got the

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hellfire in brimstone, like, don't talk about this. We're going

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to send you to a looney bin, you know. And

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you hear that at age seven, and it just burned

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in my little brain, like, something's wrong with me? You know?

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Why am I like this? If other people are not

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like this. I don't want to be like this. I

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want to be normal. I just want to belong. Yeah,

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I want to fit in. I want to be loved

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just like anybody. I want to belong. And so that

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moment at age seven, I can still remember to this

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day because that was the moment that toxic shame formed

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and I was in deeply internalizing that something was wrong

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Speaker 1: Were you Christian? Catholic?

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Speaker 2: Grew up a Lutheran, ye, but very devout area of

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all kinds of Christianity.

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Speaker 1: So you had all that baggage. Yeah, so you start

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feeling guilty. Lutheran's I'm not familiar.

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Speaker 2: They're not as hardcore with guilt as Catholics, but it's

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still there's some thought in the genre.

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Speaker 1: You're in the same genre. That's funny. That's funny. So

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when you but when this started happening, did you did

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you think am I Am I losing it? Like? Or

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you were just so young because at seven you really

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don't know. At seven, you're just like if something happened,

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world is, right, Like, well, I guess this is what

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it is until they said the fire.

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Speaker 2: Until they said that, and then I was like, oh no,

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what's wrong with me? And then I really tried to

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shut it down and I tried to ignore it. It's

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just challenging when you're just picking up on what I

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now understand is just sensory input, right, that's coming into

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my nervous system because I'm wired differently, and there's nothing

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wrong with that that I know now, But I didn't

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know that as a kid, and so I really was scared.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I guess you had no support, no anywhere,

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and at that time in history, especially in South Dakota,

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I'm assuming there wasn't anywhere you can get in from it.

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There was no internet, No, there was nobody talking about

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this stuff. So how long did you kind of keep

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this dormant in your life?

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Speaker 2: Oh gosh, I was closeted a good twenty five years.

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Speaker 1: To your thirties.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well until I became got into ems. Ultimately got

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into EMS and the energy started working through me and

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I could not ignore it any.

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Speaker 1: Wonder so before So, so, first of all, how did

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you Because I've heard this from so many different intuitives

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that when they stifle or close down their abilities, it

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starts to wear on them. Oh yeah, it wears on

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them mentally, it wears on them spiritually, emotionally, energetically. How

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did you deal with all of because I'm assuming some

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of this popped up. I mean you're in college and

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you're probably hanging out with some guys or you know,

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guys or gals and just like looking at them like

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oh that or does not look good? Oh god, I

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got Should I tell Nancy about this? Like you know

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that kind of stuff? Did you did that kind of

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creep into? I mean it had so creepy well.

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Speaker 2: For me, So what happened was, initially in high school

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I became an overachiever, and so through exercise and high performance,

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running ten miles a day, twenty miles at not twenty

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ten to twelve, when I was a teenager in high

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school still and I was rhythmically going into a meditative state.

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I just knew that if I didn't move my body,

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I just felt so overwhelmed and I couldn't. It was

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really hard for me to be in my body. Now,

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combine that with the fact that I come from an

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extremely violent situation like it was extreme violence, physical violence,

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psychological violence daily and so in addition to being having

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this high sense perception that I'm trying to physically survive

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my day to day environment, so intensity became very normal

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for me, and I took initially to over exercising and

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high achieving. And it was when my mom died. She

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was diagnosed with cancer and her diagnosis to death was

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relatively quick, it was about six months. Wow. Now she

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was a primary teacher for me, because she was a

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primary abuser for me, and I only wanted her love.

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She was very unwell, mentally unwell, and the physical and

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psychological attacks really tormented me and set my nervous system

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up for what I come to understand now, how full

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circle everything is. I took to the nine one one

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system well, because I was raised in that ad my

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I got this man.

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Speaker 1: I lived in this stress all the time. Right.

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Speaker 2: So when she died, though, that's really when it was

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like a lynch pin within me, because I was only seventeen.

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She went had a seizure, so she had non hog cancer.

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She had a seizure at my high school graduation party.

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She went down next to my cake. I'll forever remember that.

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That burns in your eye. She went down and that

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was the last time I ever saw a content. And

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so here I'm from seven to seventeen, dealing with daily

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physical attacks, psychological attacks, and then having to do with this,

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deal with this high sense perception, not feeling understood, feeling outcasts,

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feeling like danger. If I say anything, I'm going to

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get thrown into a looney bin. And so there was

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no safety, There was no supporter structure for me whatsoever.

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And so when she died, it was like a lynch

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pin was pulled and I just I spiral, and for

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me it was alcohol and then into drugs and promiscuity

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and reckless behavior and smoking, and you know, I was

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just on my own train of destruction because I was like,

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not into this world, Like, what's the point of this

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if I'm being bombarded by all this stimulus and I

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don't have anybody. Nobody's here, you know, and so it. Yeah,

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we went through all of that until I had my

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overdose in my near death experience.

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Speaker 1: So tell me about when you I mean, first of all,

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I'm so sorry that you had to go through all

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of that as a you know, it's part of your life.

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Do you before we get into your near death experience,

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abilities to connect with the other side, do you believe

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that you choose the path that you're supposed to in

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an incarnation. You have a soul blueprint. You choose the parents,

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you choose the environment, you choose the religion, you choose

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the community because they are all going to teach you,

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and even you choose the lineage because that brings all

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of that with it as well. Is that what you

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believe that happened to you? Because man, you you picked

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the heck of a one. I mean, you're like, I'll

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take one of these, I'll take one of these. I'll

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put one of those in the car like abuse, Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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like ooh Lutheran, that's going to be a good one.

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But yeah, addiction, go for it. Oh wait, yeah, we

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haven't gone to the addiction aisle yet. Let's bring that

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in here. Promiscuity. So it seemed like you put it

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a lot early on in your life.

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Speaker 2: I stacked the deck.

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Speaker 1: You might. You were like, I'm just gonna do all

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of it. I'm sure your spirit. Guys are like, are

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you sure? Are you sure you want.

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Speaker 2: To do it all it?

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Speaker 1: Get spread this out over three or four lifetimes. No, no, no,

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I want to go now right. It seems like that

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would be the energy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it.

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Speaker 1: So you do? So you do agree that I do?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I do now. And I've personally found that it

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doesn't It's not particularly helpful when somebody is going through

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a very hard time to be like you chose this

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it's not really helpful in the moment.

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Speaker 2: Guys, right after we've integrated and got the lessons right.

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Speaker 1: You've been shot, you know, you chose this, Like that's

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not do that quite yet. Yeah, ten years from can

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you remember that time you got shot. What happened after that?

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And then you start connecting dots totally. So, like you said,

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all of this stuff that you were going through helped you.

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Speaker 2: Oh it chimed me prime primed.

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Speaker 1: You wouldn't have been able to do that. No, not

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at all if you lived in a beautiful nuclear support

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you know, maybe in a new age in the world

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where your mother would be like, oh, you have the gift. Oh,

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let's help you. Yeah, grandma had the gift. Here's a book,

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here's the thing. Let's go to this covent like whatever

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is amazing? Right, And I've had both of those guests.

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I've had intuitives who've had that, and I've had intuitives

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who've You're more in the extreme side of stuff that

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you had to deal with. So okay. So so then

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you've gone down the deep rabbit hole. Yes, gone down.

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You could go literally into the edge and then you die,

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you od So what what happened?

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Speaker 2: Well? So it for me, it was just the heightened

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sense of perception, right, going into higher states of consciousness.

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felt very loved, and there was this nurturing energy that

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I had just never experienced. And I was like, oh,

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thank god, you know, I'm good. I'm done. I don't

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want to go back there. And then I heard a

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female voice, probably a guide. Some people ask who was it.

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Could be a guide, could be my higher self, and

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she was more articulate than I'm going to be. But

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she's like, yeah, we know it's hard, You're not done.

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there's fractals, it's golden Mandala's everything is just wonderful. And

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I hear this and I'm like, no, no, I'm good.

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Thanks though, And essentially she showed me through visual we

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understand it's been very hard. If you choose to go back,

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you're actually gonna incorporate this and help a lot of

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people who are like you. And when you're in a

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heightened state of consciousness, everything makes sense simultaneously. So I'm

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able to see here and feel everything at the same time,

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and it's not overwhelming, right, and it just makes sense.

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obviously chose to back and when I slammed back into

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my body. Reality sets in right, because you're back into duality,

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you're back into the tangible reality. And I had to

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crawl over to the phone and dial nine one one.

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And that was my first ever experience with nine one one. Yeah. Wow, yeah,

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And I'll tell you that the guy who came and

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I was in like Fargo, North Dakota, right in the.

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Speaker 1: Middle of nowhere.

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Speaker 3: It's like, well, they run like two calls place, they

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run like no calls, right, and this guy comes and

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I'll just never forget him as long as I live,

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because I'm just like this hot mess on the on

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the floor, right.

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Speaker 2: I was like nineteen, Oh my wow, and uh he

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walks in. He's got his little stathoscope, buzz cut, his

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little glasses. He was just a deck And I'll never

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it was very pivotal for me though. It was very

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important because this was my first experience with nine one

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one paramedics anything. And I remember sitting on that gurney

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just feeling like, dude, this is the worst moment of

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my life.

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and now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: And you're being a dick, you know, and I remembered thinking,

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if I'm ever in a position like that, I'm going

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to do it differently.

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Speaker 1: And he was. He did exactly what he needed to do.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, he showed me. He shows that I made

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that decision that, yeah, I'm going to do it different.

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Speaker 1: So okay. So now it's interesting because you were you

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were an intuitive prior to you in your death experience.

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A lot of times people don't have anything or access

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to any of that stuff. They die and they come

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back with it. So you were already very familiar with

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the spirit world, even in your limited capacity of accepting it.

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But you it wasn't like, oh my god. You were like, oh,

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thank god, I'm back here kind of vibe. Right when

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you died, Oh no, I.

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Speaker 2: Wanted to go home. Yeah. When I was out of body,

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you were.

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Speaker 1: You were like, oh thank god, yeah that place. So

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when you came back, how did you deal with all

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of that because you're still closet. According to you, I was.

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Speaker 2: Still closeted and I was in you know, I had

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gone up to college in that area, very lost, very disconnected,

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no sense of safety, structure, support and financial health, nothing,

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and so I had spiraled and hit that low point

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and for me, I went in through the psyche valuation process,

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and I remember my intuition was very strong about don't

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you just you know, tell them you're depressed and having

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a hard time, and then get out and go home

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and then we'll start the work. And so I realized

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that nobody was coming to save me. And man, was

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I mad because coming through everything I came through, surviving

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everything that I had, I just wanted somebody to come, like,

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you know, help me out, do it for me. And

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I had a chip on my shoulder and I was

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I was angry. I was angry at the world. And

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when I had that, realized, Alex, and nobody's coming to

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save you. You have to do this for yourself. Because when

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I'm in heightened consciousness, everything makes sense. So I'm thinking

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it's going to be easy. But no, they don't give

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you a trail map. You still have to do the work.

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You still have to figure it out when you're back

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here with normal sense perception, right, And so I just

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remember like getting real with myself, and I went through

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about two weeks and just stomping around being all mad,

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like you know, I shouldn't have to do this, Like

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I'm owed you know, and we see this so much

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in our society, right, Like I'm outraged. Everybody's outraged about

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everything now, it's like everything everything, And it's like, well,

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that's your outrage.

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Speaker 1: Your shirt offends me, your shirt is triggering me. I

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have to tell you, I've been meaning to say it

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since the beginning of the interview. Your shirt is triggering me.

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But that's how people are outrage culture.

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Speaker 2: It's insane, right, And so but what I didn't I

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didn't realize was it. Well, it took me a couple

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of weeks and I finally was like, you can be

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mad about this all you want to, but the reality

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is you still got to do it for yourself. You're

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the person who's been engaging in these behaviors. You're the

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person who was doing the drugs, who was doing all

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the stuff, and you're the person who's gotten yourself to

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where you are now, So what are you going to

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do about it? And it was two part for me,

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One with having to deal with addiction and like hardcore

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drugs pretty much everything, and then smoking three packs a

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day and drinking every clear straight like I'm a go

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big or go home kind of girl, right, And so

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I had to physically come off of all of that stuff.

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But then simultaneously I'm navigating and dealing with this. I

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hated the license perception, I hated the visuals. I hated

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the knowing. I didn't want to be this way. And

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so it was two part. I had been doing the

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drugs because it was the only thing that finally kind

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of jummed me enough. It took that edge off, right,

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But it's not conducive or sustainable for health and life, right,

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And so what I did is I just wrote down

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kind of like a little program for myself and I

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started I got to just move my body again because

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back in high school I was a big runner, and

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so I started exercising again. And then kicking alcohol was

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pretty easy for me. Kicking like the heavy drugs that

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was that was a thing, and I just like flushed

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them and did several weeks of hardcore withdrawals by myself.

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Speaker 1: Wow, he white knuckled it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I white knuckled it. It was ugly. It was

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really ugly, but I knew because I had just I mean,

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you can't. I if I was to continue that, I

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would obviously die and stay dead, right, Like, there's nothing

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else for me there, I turned over every rock, I

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had all of the experiences, and you take it where

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it is. But ultimately I cleaned myself up and I

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was able to stabilize significantly. And then I left the

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Midwest and I went to Florida.

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Speaker 1: H Yeah, because there's there's no drugs there. I can

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say this because I lived in Florida. But it just

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never made movies about that or anything.

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Speaker 2: Well Miami.

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Speaker 1: Nothing about Miami in the seventies or eighties at all.

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And that's about the time you.

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Speaker 2: Nineties.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we we were talking before and we're like, yeah,

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You're like, yeah, I was in the I was in

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Miami in the nineties. I'm like, I was in Miami

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in the nineties. Like I was going to South Beach

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and clubing. We probably were in the same club at

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one point or another. I was on the table, I

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was drinking water in the corner because I was always

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the digited driver. So funny. So it's it's so far

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so you you're still dealing with I mean, you're first

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of all, impressive. Is all hell that you did what

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you did and what you went through. And I've known

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a lot of addicts. I've known a lot of people

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who dealt with drugs and with alcohol, and I know

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from watching closely how hard that is to do it

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by yourself, and white knuckling, not in a facility, not

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with any support, says volumes about your spirit, and says

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volumes about you and what you're going through in this

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life and why you were primed to do what you're doing.

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In many ways, it's interesting because in many ways you

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you chose to come into a world as a soul

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in this incarnation and you and I'm sure you've had

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help along the way, but you but a lot of

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it seems like it's just you're doing it. You're like,

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I got to make this happen for me because no

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one's coming. No one's going to say I have no

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I have no safety net.

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Speaker 2: Correct.

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Speaker 1: So you've basically burned you were when you were born.

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They burned the boats at the shore. There's no one

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come and help you. So that's a really interesting place

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to be as a soul journey because there's only one way.

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It's through.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, or you could heart eject, right, you can,

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you can, you can do a heart out. What it

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is I swear is I'm just I've kind of one

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of the things I very much appreciate about growing up

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in the Midwest, especially in the era that we did

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get her done. Man like bots, you got to figure

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it out. And the fact that nobody was there, And

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it wasn't just that nobody was there, it was actually

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unsafe to be around the people that were there. It

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created this It's.

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Speaker 1: Not that they don't support you, it's dangerous.

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Speaker 2: This hyper awareness and this hypersoft sufficiency. And so ultimately

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there's a stubbornness and I have this ability to just

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kind of figure it out.

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Speaker 1: Right, your gen X, So there's that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and today's my birthday, birthday here with you, but yeah,

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I know that's that's our generation.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you just figure it out.

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Speaker 2: You just figure it out, you know. I mean, do

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you remember that commercial where they're like, at ten o'clock

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at night.

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Speaker 1: Do you know where your kids?

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Speaker 2: You know where your kids are?

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Speaker 1: Do you know where your kids? Actually showed it to

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my kids really to prove it to them. They're like,

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you know, they had to actually put on the news

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every night it's ten o'clock. Do you know where your

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kids are? And they're like, no way. So I went

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on YouTube and I found it and they're like and saut.

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Celebrities like Sydney Lauper and Madonna and all them. They

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all come up to you know where your kids are,

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and they're like you are you like kidding? And then

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they saw stranger things and like is that real? Like

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other than the monsters. Yes, yeah, it was very accurate

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as far as that's how it was. Like you leave

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the house and good luck. I don't even comprehend that

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with my kids.

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Speaker 2: Right, And there was no like electronic tracking, right, so

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we're just out there feral.

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Speaker 1: From dontel treated food. You'll find it somewhere, Drink it

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from the hose. You'll find food somewhere. You never had

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money because they broke.

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Speaker 2: Everybody's bikes are at your front, your friends.

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Speaker 1: That's the only way you knew. Those lights came on

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and you weren't home. It was it's it seems cliche,

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but it's the way it was. But our generation is

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really interesting because we just just figure it out because

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we were kind of trained, and you more so because

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you really didn't have any support, so you had to

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figure everything right. But that primed you for life. It

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did in a way. It was not fun ways, not

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at all.

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't wish it on anybody, And ultimately it has

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allowed me the fortitude to not only become who I

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become energetically in my understanding of my gifts and my

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ability to use my lips, but to be able to

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work for fifteen years in the niem one systems, the

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busiest systems of California, and take high energy perception into

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00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,640
the trenches the streets. And so I have this unique

474
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:44,720
ability to be ultra sensitive to energy yet still be

475
00:24:44,759 --> 00:24:48,000
able to go to the depths of the human consciousness

476
00:24:48,279 --> 00:24:55,119
and life experience repeatedly and not there's the fortitude needed

477
00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:59,119
for that nervous system warning needed for that. And honestly,

478
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:05,200
all of my experience with addiction, with overdose, with promiscuity,

479
00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,880
with all of these things that I did made me

480
00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,960
a better paramedic because I would run calls on people

481
00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:16,359
that were going through situations that I had personally been through.

482
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,920
Now you can feel it when people have been there,

483
00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,160
you know, you can just feel it when people have

484
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,640
been there, oh yeah, And so there's that sense of like,

485
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,599
all right, we're all right, we're going to get through this.

486
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,079
And all of those years of becoming a running calls

487
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:35,480
as a paramedic primed me to become an even stronger healer, right,

488
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,400
because everything, it's like bricks and mortar, it builds on itself.

489
00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:41,759
Speaker 1: So I have to ask you, I mean, when you're

490
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:46,960
I mean, I have very little experience with paramedics. I

491
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,400
had a friend of mine who was a paramedic, so

492
00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:51,000
I kind of early on out of high school, so

493
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,039
I kind of understand a little bit. I've seen movies,

494
00:25:53,079 --> 00:25:54,880
of course, and TV shows and stuff, and there's some

495
00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,680
very accurate ones like the Pit and things like that,

496
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:03,480
which is freaking amazing. But it's a very high stress scenario.

497
00:26:04,519 --> 00:26:08,119
You're literally walking into. I don't know what I could

498
00:26:08,279 --> 00:26:10,920
I'm here to help, but I could be attacked, correct,

499
00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:12,799
I could be I could be stabbed, that could be.

500
00:26:12,839 --> 00:26:15,880
I mean, you hear these yeah and then yeah, and

501
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,640
then I've had relatives, a lot of doctor in the family,

502
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,599
so I understand that aspect of it, that stress and

503
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:31,200
that intensity energy, when you're kind of wide open energetically,

504
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,000
how do you deal Because that alone is a thing.

505
00:26:35,079 --> 00:26:38,240
Just walking around the earth being open and seeing people's

506
00:26:38,319 --> 00:26:42,640
auras and feeling people's energies and seeing things, that's a thing.

507
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:48,359
But then walking into the most intense human experience, you know,

508
00:26:48,519 --> 00:26:51,400
of a stabbing, or of an overdose, or of a

509
00:26:51,480 --> 00:26:56,160
violent scenario, and and you walk into it. How did

510
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,880
you back? Like, how the hell did you deal with

511
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,759
both things right and thrive? Because you did this for

512
00:27:03,799 --> 00:27:05,599
fifteen right.

513
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: Well, so when I had a great, great question when

514
00:27:08,519 --> 00:27:11,720
I left Florida, I moved to Los Angeles, and I

515
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:13,640
was just kind of stumbling around.

516
00:27:13,519 --> 00:27:16,039
Speaker 1: As most people don't move to Los Angeles. Does my

517
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:16,759
stuff included?

518
00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: And my intuition, I just remember I was like working

519
00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:21,039
at a gym, and you know, I was still kind

520
00:27:21,039 --> 00:27:23,000
of in this place. But my intuition every time an

521
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,599
ambulance would go by, was like this, do this. And

522
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,160
I was living in a Koreatown area before it got

523
00:27:29,319 --> 00:27:32,559
you know, refurbished. Now it's really pretty now, oh yeah,

524
00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:35,319
but it wasn't at the time. And I remember I

525
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,039
was laying on my mattress on the floor and I

526
00:27:37,079 --> 00:27:43,799
heard like shots fired right outside. Little footsteps run right

527
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:48,119
past my Yeah, and welcome.

528
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:58,400
Speaker 4: Exact studio apartment, You're like, And so I peek out,

529
00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:00,240
and I go to the fire escape and I look down,

530
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,319
and of course I see the body on the ground, right, Oh,

531
00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:05,920
my and my intuition, and so everybody's coming LAPD and

532
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,200
you know, la fire and everybody, and my intuition's like this,

533
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:09,799
this is what.

534
00:28:09,759 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 2: You should do.

535
00:28:10,279 --> 00:28:12,279
Speaker 3: And I remember just going and weighing on my mattress

536
00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:14,759
and I was like, I surrender, Okay, fine.

537
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:17,079
Speaker 2: You know, because I still was so lost in floundering.

538
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:21,240
But I'm like again, kind of had hit a bottom

539
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:24,000
period where we think that it's just going to be this,

540
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,640
you know, when you start to recover from addiction and

541
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,960
you take care of all the sense of rocket ship

542
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,960
and everything just ascends and all the sense is perfect

543
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:36,359
and it's not. And the grit is the willingness to

544
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,920
continue to go ride the waves of up and down right.

545
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,400
And so I was in the place and I finally surrendered,

546
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,759
and I was like, okay. So I went to the

547
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:48,000
UCLA e MT program and I went through that. I

548
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,720
had never been in a militaristic environment before, so that

549
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:55,079
was very abrupt for me. I'd been in the pin

550
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,599
up modeling world and like, you know, I was like

551
00:28:58,119 --> 00:29:00,599
in that whole crazy world, like in Hollywood stuff, and

552
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:06,720
so going into the first responder militant type environment, it was, yeah,

553
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,920
a different thing. For me, I went, they assigned me.

554
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:13,400
My first assignment was down to south central Los Angeles

555
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,839
and so I went in the nineties in the Greater

556
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:20,960
Compton Inglewood. Yeah, I know, it was go Bigger, go home,

557
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,880
I remember right now. Remember at this time, I was

558
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,920
still very closeted, so I was still not willing to

559
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,960
talk out loud about my abilities. And so I finally

560
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,200
was in a socially accepted position. Okay, I'm going to

561
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:39,000
do something that can become an esteemed career. So all right,

562
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:41,000
So when I got on the ambulance, you have to

563
00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:43,759
understand there's a tremendous amount of mechanics that go to

564
00:29:44,119 --> 00:29:46,920
and I'm on one call. So there's logistics of location,

565
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,640
there's extracation, there's how many patients do we have? And

566
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,440
then you have all of us, and all of us

567
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,279
have a specific role that go on that. So for

568
00:29:54,319 --> 00:29:58,519
the first six weeks or so, maybe six months, my energy,

569
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,279
the energetics and the intuition and kind of downshifted. And

570
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:03,920
I think that was my guidance being gracious to give

571
00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:08,480
me time to give my bearings and understand like, oh,

572
00:30:08,519 --> 00:30:10,839
the captain's the guy with the clipboard, the engineers the

573
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,279
dude standing out of the engine outside the house. You know,

574
00:30:13,359 --> 00:30:18,319
everybody's got a role. It's a very alpha, very testosterone

575
00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:21,960
charged environment. I thrive in that, like it's very intense.

576
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:25,960
You have to like it's sink or swim, and I

577
00:30:26,079 --> 00:30:28,319
like that type of environment. And to me, running a

578
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,079
nine one one call, it became like putting a puzzle

579
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:34,640
piece back together really quickly and under a tremendous amount

580
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,920
of pressure, which my system, again is primed to do.

581
00:30:39,599 --> 00:30:42,119
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

582
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,000
and now back to the show.

583
00:30:49,279 --> 00:30:52,079
Speaker 2: But about six months later, when I'm like, okay, groovy,

584
00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:54,359
I understand how to run a call, where to take

585
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:56,599
a patient, all the things, then all of a sudden,

586
00:30:56,599 --> 00:30:59,720
the high sense perception started coming back and I did

587
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,079
not one. I was so mad. I was like, just

588
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,000
leave me alone.

589
00:31:03,519 --> 00:31:05,279
Speaker 1: I'm doing fine doing the thing.

590
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 2: Man like a bit in finally kind of I'm always

591
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:10,519
around swat dude, So I'm not going to talk about

592
00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:12,720
like I see dead people or I see colors or.

593
00:31:14,079 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: It's basically marines. You're like walking around with marines. Like, hey,

594
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,759
so your aura, like when you were shooting that ak,

595
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:27,799
like your aura was a little dark. You know, you

596
00:31:27,839 --> 00:31:28,759
don't want to do that.

597
00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 3: It's what it was a little little yeah, probably wouldn't

598
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,960
have been super well, especially in the early two thousands,

599
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:35,920
right God.

600
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 2: And so my my primary challenge was not understanding what

601
00:31:40,759 --> 00:31:45,319
would happen to me? Was this spontaneous expansion. And so

602
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:47,839
it's like take a take a dial and turn up

603
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,240
the gain and all of the sensory and put around

604
00:31:50,319 --> 00:31:53,240
comes and all of a sudden, my energy really expands.

605
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,599
So I feel very large, and it's hard for me

606
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:58,559
to separate what's mine, what's other people's. Where it is

607
00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:00,599
the end of the scene, you know, that kind of thing.

608
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,599
And so my primary challenge all the way from seven

609
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:08,160
until I got a real handle and understanding on what

610
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:11,200
this is, why I'm like this, how to navigate it

611
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,079
was this spontane I didn't have a sense of control,

612
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,240
I didn't have a sense of safety, so I didn't

613
00:32:16,319 --> 00:32:18,519
understand it. I still feared it, and I still tried

614
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:21,759
to push it down. That said, when we like on

615
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:28,240
the first CPR call, my my experience would be and

616
00:32:28,319 --> 00:32:31,440
this happened every single time. My tail for death is

617
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:36,160
tasting metal and very I have a tell for death,

618
00:32:36,279 --> 00:32:38,319
so I became what's called a black cloud, and black

619
00:32:38,359 --> 00:32:40,359
clouds in our industry are the people who get all

620
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,759
the really gnarly calls. I became the paramedic who was

621
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:48,039
always there for death and so pose no, no, no,

622
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,720
it's just some people get we gets randomly assigned.

623
00:32:50,759 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 5: Calls would go, someone's going down, you get the tones right,

624
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:00,480
and I would just get this set and I would

625
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:01,240
taste metal.

626
00:33:01,880 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 2: So what would happen on a call, though, is everything

627
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,160
would slow down like the matrix. So from the second

628
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,480
I opened the ambulance door, my feet hit the ground,

629
00:33:09,519 --> 00:33:12,160
I had my little combat boots. Everything would just go

630
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:15,680
and it would go very very slow. So then you know,

631
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,880
and then I know, And so what would happen for

632
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:23,400
me is every single detail starts happening simultaneously. Like I

633
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,319
can see the drip of sweat coming down the firefighter's

634
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,599
you know, face is trying to extricate the body from

635
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:32,200
the car, and I could hear whoever. You know. It's

636
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,920
like all of the sensory information would expand from me

637
00:33:36,039 --> 00:33:38,079
and I would have a knowing of what was coming.

638
00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:43,680
And so what ended up happening is I was able

639
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:47,799
to be there in so many people's transitions so many

640
00:33:47,799 --> 00:33:51,160
people during their last moments on earth, and to me

641
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:56,119
it became midwifing. It was such an incredible, incredible gift

642
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,599
and like honor, like a death. It's a death duel,

643
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,240
except the emergency style, right, And I had no idea

644
00:34:01,359 --> 00:34:04,079
like what I was doing energetically, and so it was

645
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,639
just such an interesting space and feeling to be because

646
00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,079
I was still wrestling with this one part of myself.

647
00:34:11,519 --> 00:34:15,480
But the high sense perception would spontaneously expand every single

648
00:34:15,480 --> 00:34:18,480
time I'd go on a call, and what I started

649
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:21,599
to pay attention to was that it was really helpful.

650
00:34:22,559 --> 00:34:25,280
Never one time was it like remember I was told

651
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,400
I was ashamed, like don't talk about this, this is bad.

652
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,960
But whatever this knowing is or whatever these visions are

653
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,440
that are telling me what to do, it's giving me

654
00:34:34,559 --> 00:34:37,039
guidance that's going to help the family calm down, it's

655
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:40,320
giving me guidance that's going to help the patient calm down.

656
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:43,400
And so I was able to be there in people's

657
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:48,159
worst moments, utilizing these high sense perception over and over

658
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,880
and over and over again. And that's how ultimately I

659
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:55,480
began to challenge like, wait a second, maybe maybe I

660
00:34:55,599 --> 00:34:58,639
was sold a loadable when I was a kid. Maybe

661
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:02,199
there's nothing thing wrong with me. Maybe this is actually

662
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,440
good and I can actually really help people. And that

663
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,440
really turned the tide for me becoming empowered.

664
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: So when you're you're in Los Angeles and LA does

665
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:15,159
have some woo will win it. Yep, there are some

666
00:35:15,199 --> 00:35:18,440
bookshops you can go to, even in the early two thousands.

667
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,400
So you did not go and look for books or

668
00:35:22,559 --> 00:35:27,719
look for a center or a spiritual community. Nothing. White

669
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:28,599
knuckle in it again.

670
00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:30,639
Speaker 2: I guess that's just kind of how I roll.

671
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: You know you do.

672
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:35,079
Speaker 2: But I'm very much about like figure it out, like

673
00:35:35,159 --> 00:35:38,000
figure it out. I think that I wasn't on a

674
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:43,360
personal level. I was not yet ready to delve into

675
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:47,079
my own inner trauma and what it actually takes to

676
00:35:47,159 --> 00:35:50,599
go through and somatically release the trauma that I had

677
00:35:50,639 --> 00:35:54,039
been through. It's not an easy thing to do.

678
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:55,360
Speaker 1: Those calls help.

679
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 2: You, yeah, because what ended up happening was I was

680
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,840
using my past right to be able to show up

681
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,840
for other people who were experiencing similar situations. And I

682
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,039
was like, ah, I got you, I get it, and

683
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:07,559
they can feel it, and they can feel it.

684
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can feel authenticity. Oh totally. You can feel.

685
00:36:10,679 --> 00:36:14,000
You can feel it's like a vet meeting another vet.

686
00:36:14,519 --> 00:36:16,559
I've seen that. I have friends of mine who are Vets,

687
00:36:16,559 --> 00:36:18,920
and then I'll be hanging out and they'll be wearing

688
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,119
their like hat like war they were in Iraq war

689
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:24,679
or something like that. And then you just see some

690
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:28,360
random guy just walk up what you knew you in Yeah,

691
00:36:29,079 --> 00:36:30,440
and they're like oh this and that. I'm like, oh this,

692
00:36:30,519 --> 00:36:33,159
I did this too, And you could just there's that.

693
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:35,679
You could just tell that you've oh yeah, that's yeah,

694
00:36:35,719 --> 00:36:36,159
they've been there.

695
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 2: It see energetics a subconscious programming.

696
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you come from la and I know

697
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,159
you had a little experience in the film industry as well.

698
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,960
There's a version of that for us in the film industry.

699
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:48,960
Like you when you win a director or a DP

700
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:54,840
or a gaffer or anyone who's got shrapnel walks on

701
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,840
the set, you go, oh, yep, yep, yep, I can

702
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:01,760
you smell it. I always used to tell people. I'm like,

703
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,639
if you're a young director and you walk on a

704
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:07,800
set with a bunch of vets, they'll smell you within

705
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,320
the first two to three minutes of you even speaking.

706
00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:12,920
Oh totally, and that will determine the rest of your

707
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,800
day and the production totally because if they feel that

708
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,159
you don't know what they do, they will roll all

709
00:37:18,199 --> 00:37:21,039
over you. Oh yeah, all over you totally. And it's

710
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:23,800
something similar with what you're doing. So it's interesting. So

711
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,079
all right, so let me let's go into a call.

712
00:37:26,119 --> 00:37:27,400
I want to I want to kind of dive into

713
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,239
a call here. So, and we've been talking about the

714
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,079
psychic abilities and more the intuitive and the energy that

715
00:37:33,079 --> 00:37:35,639
you've been doing. Are you also a medium because I.

716
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 2: Know you I have that capacity, it's not my primary.

717
00:37:39,039 --> 00:37:43,400
My primary now is clairvoyance, clare sentience, so seeing, feeling, knowing,

718
00:37:43,639 --> 00:37:46,920
and then my practice now is medical intuition and psychic surgery.

719
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:49,000
And so when it comes to mediumship, if you want

720
00:37:49,039 --> 00:37:52,079
to dial somebody specific, it's like, nah, maybe you did

721
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:52,719
and miss.

722
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 1: With that, But for me, I'm like, is uncle Bob

723
00:37:55,000 --> 00:38:01,559
here energetic? Energetic Bob? All right? Because I know that

724
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,880
I've asked this a quest, like you could be a

725
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:05,480
psychic without being a meeting, but you can't be a

726
00:38:05,519 --> 00:38:08,199
meeting without being a psychic, right right? Generally speaking? Okay,

727
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,960
because you're talking about seeing people in their transition. So

728
00:38:11,039 --> 00:38:14,800
let's go into a call. Yeah, that someone passes, what

729
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:17,199
do you see? Okay? Is it different for everyone?

730
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,679
Speaker 2: Well? Yes, So now, first and foremost, please understand the

731
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,679
most important thing is there's nothing to fear. Death is

732
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:27,159
absolutely inevitable for all of us. It is just like

733
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,280
it's as natural as birth, and none of us know

734
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,480
when it's coming. So there's so many people that are

735
00:38:32,519 --> 00:38:36,559
so scared to live. They bubble wrap themselves and they

736
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:41,119
do all these things right, and the fear really cheats

737
00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:43,159
them out of their life experience a lot of times.

738
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:44,960
So what I'm here to tell you and remind you

739
00:38:45,039 --> 00:38:48,679
is please live your life. We are born to die.

740
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:51,320
There's as many ways to die as there are to live.

741
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:54,199
There's literally nothing to fear. It's like taking off a

742
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:57,440
heavy coat. Sometimes it may hurt, but it's only briefly,

743
00:38:58,039 --> 00:39:01,400
and you will always be greeted by something or someone. Okay,

744
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:03,360
So you're never going to die alone, even if you're

745
00:39:03,360 --> 00:39:06,760
physically alone, because you will be greeted by a loved one,

746
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:10,599
by a celestial by master. Yeah, some sort of Jesus.

747
00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:14,119
Speaker 1: She's the hardest working Jesus, hardest working man show business.

748
00:39:14,159 --> 00:39:17,199
He shows up to all the nds you didn't see,

749
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:18,280
so you didn't I didn't see.

750
00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,760
Speaker 2: You heard I heard a voice. There was a female voice. Yeah,

751
00:39:22,519 --> 00:39:24,280
but I mean in plant medicine ceremonies.

752
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:28,000
Speaker 1: I've we'll get it today into we'll get into I'm

753
00:39:28,079 --> 00:39:31,800
dying to see what you saw in a plant ceremony.

754
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,559
Speaker 2: I'm dying here that Okay. Now this is really interesting

755
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:38,320
because what I started to notice is that there's a

756
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,800
difference between a medical or an expected death like a

757
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:45,239
hospice and stage cancer slowly versus a trauma death, okay,

758
00:39:45,320 --> 00:39:47,840
And so what happens to the soul and their experience

759
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:53,559
and transition was very different. And so it was interesting

760
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:56,719
because I saw so many deaths that I started to

761
00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:00,679
notice commonalities. Mind you, at the time, Initially, by the

762
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,639
end of my career, I was open about what I

763
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:05,079
was doing. My coworkers were like, ah, it's just her,

764
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:06,159
you know, and we're.

765
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:06,639
Speaker 1: Cool with it.

766
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,119
Speaker 2: But at the beginning, I still was really scared and

767
00:40:09,119 --> 00:40:12,159
didn't understand. But what I noticed, in say like a

768
00:40:12,239 --> 00:40:16,079
medical depth, person's chilling in their bed or you know,

769
00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:19,239
on their couch whatever, and for maybe a few days

770
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,800
or a few weeks, their oric field begins to expand

771
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:24,800
they start getting visited by loved ones. They may start

772
00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:28,239
astral traveling. Now what is that. It's the veil thinning.

773
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,480
So what does the veil thinning mean? So here in

774
00:40:30,599 --> 00:40:34,559
human paradigm, we've got gravity duality, the five senses, and

775
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:39,679
the egoic infrastructure perfectly designed to have our little independent

776
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:44,440
human experience. Right, So as the body begins to release,

777
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,239
the oric field expands and kind of thins on the boundaries.

778
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,519
So these safeguards that are normally in place just open

779
00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,239
and let the information through. That's always there. All of

780
00:40:58,239 --> 00:40:59,960
this energy is always around all of us. You got,

781
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:03,199
but it's the senses and you know, the egoic infrastructure

782
00:41:03,679 --> 00:41:07,000
that it's designed this way to kind of allow us

783
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:12,320
to have the life experience. Okay, so they're going through days, weeks, whatever,

784
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:17,119
and their heart rate will finally kick out, and then

785
00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:19,920
the respirations go through kind of agonal respirations, which is

786
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:23,159
like guppy breathing. And what I would notice is it

787
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:26,199
was really beautiful and sometimes it was fast, sometimes it

788
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,960
was slow, sometimes it was more vibrant, but it was

789
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:33,079
always a similar pattern. So the uh chakras would begin

790
00:41:33,119 --> 00:41:36,360
to unfurl and it looks like ribbons, okay, usually beginning

791
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,559
at the root and it unfurls all the way up

792
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:42,760
through the crown. And so I began to understand way

793
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,199
to sect this is the light at the end of

794
00:41:44,199 --> 00:41:47,159
the tunnel experience, because I'm watching the person die physically

795
00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,280
and then I'm watching what their energy body is doing

796
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,119
in terms of releasing it. And so it would very

797
00:41:52,199 --> 00:41:56,039
slowly unfurl like a ribbon, and the soul would typically

798
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:58,920
shoot out the crown of the head into the top

799
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:02,199
right corner of the room, normally where they'd be greeted

800
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,920
by to see slept ones or pets or some sort

801
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,840
of religious archetype or deity, and so it was really

802
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:10,559
did you see this?

803
00:42:10,679 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah?

804
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,280
Speaker 2: I would see it over and over and over again.

805
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,559
And so they would come out and when they would

806
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,400
release the crown of the head, sometimes every once in

807
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,679
a while out the chest, but usually out the crown

808
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,119
of the head, It's like a water gun, right, And

809
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:25,840
sometimes like if people had a lot of spunk and

810
00:42:25,880 --> 00:42:29,079
pizzazz and hardiness, there would still be color. And some

811
00:42:29,119 --> 00:42:31,320
people were like, I'm over it, man, it was just

812
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:35,400
like a wisp. But regardless, they would reform and the

813
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,920
soul looks like the person embody just you can see

814
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,599
through it. And I would get to watch this little

815
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,320
family reunion right up in the corner. And you don't

816
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:46,480
share death experiences, that's a thing.

817
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:48,199
Speaker 1: That's the thing. So there's a near death experience and

818
00:42:48,239 --> 00:42:50,880
they just share death experience. And I've had many people

819
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:54,679
on who had share in the medical field, hospice nurses.

820
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:56,639
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we do, man, And they.

821
00:42:56,480 --> 00:43:00,599
Speaker 1: Sit there and they actually experience the near debt you're

822
00:43:00,679 --> 00:43:04,199
viewing it. They actually are out of their body for

823
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,599
a second and they're kind of like seeing it from

824
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:10,559
the astrol. Yeah, will yeah through that problem and not

825
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:13,599
part of it. Sometimes every once in a while they'll

826
00:43:13,639 --> 00:43:15,960
go to a certain point and they can't go past that.

827
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:18,360
That that that point in no return, and then they'll

828
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:21,039
come back in. But you're kind of doing a version

829
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:23,239
of shared death experience again again.

830
00:43:23,159 --> 00:43:25,119
Speaker 2: Yeh, that makes sense. And then having to tend to

831
00:43:25,599 --> 00:43:28,599
like the physical body. If if it was a protocol

832
00:43:28,599 --> 00:43:30,159
that we would still need to run a CPR or

833
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,239
think there were still all the logistics and mechanics that

834
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,599
I would have to handle there. But if it was

835
00:43:34,599 --> 00:43:36,880
like a do not resuscitate or an n stage hospice

836
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:39,000
and we're there to just declare death whatever. I would

837
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,880
still go through that experience and then understand and then

838
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:43,079
do a pronouncement of death.

839
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: So did you So when these are happening and you're

840
00:43:45,519 --> 00:43:51,840
watching Jesus or Uncle Bob show up. Further, I didn't

841
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:55,559
have an Uncle Bob. I just think it's funny. It's

842
00:43:55,599 --> 00:43:58,880
and Jane and Uncle Bob. I don't know why, but

843
00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:00,920
uncle Bob. People say, put it on a T shirt,

844
00:44:01,039 --> 00:44:04,320
like I see Uncle Bob. I'm like, okay, okay. But

845
00:44:04,559 --> 00:44:06,719
so when you're going through this and you're seeing this,

846
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,639
was there any moment that they acknowledge you?

847
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:09,880
Speaker 5: Oh?

848
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:11,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, really?

849
00:44:11,039 --> 00:44:13,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. That's the stories about that in my book.

850
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:18,760
And it's literally like, so it's telepathy, right, the ability

851
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,800
to communicate through thought form. And so because whether it's

852
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,840
it's just my wiring, it's any intuitive any medium whoever,

853
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,320
like the spirit for whatever reason, recognizes that we have

854
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:32,719
the capacity to see them, okay, And so there oftentimes

855
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,280
was a little bit of a brief like nod right,

856
00:44:35,639 --> 00:44:38,400
Sometimes they do a little dance. Sometimes they would yeah,

857
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:42,000
And it was really beautiful to watch how happy these

858
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,639
people were to be freed, a lot of them from

859
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:50,440
their bodies. So again, very beautiful experience, nothing to fear.

860
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:53,119
And then we'll come over to the trauma death because

861
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,679
so it's very mechanically intact over here, very similar now

862
00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:01,039
with the trauma death. The world we live, man, we

863
00:45:01,159 --> 00:45:03,320
never know, right, And this is why I just might

864
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,000
the biggest takeaway you guys, please please please just go

865
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:09,199
live your lives. Just do it, say the thing, take

866
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:12,039
the trip, tell the person you love them, like, take

867
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:16,519
the chance, do it because we never know. Everybody thinks

868
00:45:16,519 --> 00:45:19,360
they've got time. But every single morning, every single day,

869
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,159
I would run calls on somebody who just got killed

870
00:45:22,159 --> 00:45:22,960
and they had no idea.

871
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

872
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:36,239
and now back to the show that they were all agious.

873
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: Oh man, they're coming. You know, you go through a

874
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,000
Starbucks drive through, I'm like, you pull out and you

875
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:42,119
just get t boned and that's it, like, or you're

876
00:45:42,199 --> 00:45:45,039
just in a car accident, or you're shot or whatever like.

877
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:49,440
And so in a trauma death, what would happen would

878
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:53,039
be that say it was a vehicle accident and with extircations,

879
00:45:53,079 --> 00:45:55,320
so the body's in the car a lot of logistics

880
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:58,159
for us to navigate that. And so I would see

881
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,239
the soul of the person standing next to or floating.

882
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:01,760
Speaker 1: Just above the car.

883
00:46:02,639 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 2: They look like the body that's in the car. And

884
00:46:05,000 --> 00:46:07,239
so I would very quickly. And this took years to

885
00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,199
develop because at first I was like, ah, you know,

886
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,559
I didn't know, and I had a lot of things

887
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:12,920
to do. There's a lot of things to do on

888
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:14,880
a trauma call, for like tending to the body and

889
00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:19,079
getting them to the hospital. And so over time though,

890
00:46:19,119 --> 00:46:21,239
I would look and I would acknowledge the soul and

891
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,760
I developed kind of a protocol and it was like, Okay, look,

892
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:26,400
you're dead, you were just in a car accident. I'm

893
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:27,840
gonna play your body of the car. We're gonna start

894
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:32,119
a CPR, I'm gonna get you the hot teleopathically while

895
00:46:32,159 --> 00:46:34,199
I'm over there cutting clothes off and start in id's

896
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:36,679
and doing all of this style. And so it's a

897
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,039
very like maximum, I mean everything, We're doing everything. I got,

898
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:44,719
you know, five six firefighters with me and police officers

899
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,159
with me. And so what would happen in a trauma

900
00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,800
call would be that the person is confused because they're

901
00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:55,800
like I was just walking down the sidewalk, man, like

902
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:57,800
what you know, they're looking at their body that's on

903
00:46:57,880 --> 00:47:00,519
the on the ground in the curb, at the gutter,

904
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,079
and they don't get it because they're literally in your

905
00:47:03,119 --> 00:47:04,519
body and then you're knocked out of your body.

906
00:47:04,679 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 1: Is it? Is it kind of Patrick Swayze and Ghost

907
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:07,719
It is kind.

908
00:47:07,639 --> 00:47:10,800
Speaker 3: Of Patrick you're Swayze And because that's exactly Yeah, it's exactly.

909
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,119
Speaker 1: They got a lot of things right in that movie.

910
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:15,400
But that sounds exactly like for the Trump for the

911
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:18,280
trauma ones, not the not the slower death ones, but

912
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:19,119
the trauma one.

913
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:22,280
Speaker 2: Right, the Trumps just like super confusing to people.

914
00:47:22,440 --> 00:47:24,679
Speaker 1: Is that where ghosts come from.

915
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 2: Well we'll talk about that in just a second. Okay, Okay,

916
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:31,079
let's get through the protocol. So essentially, what would end

917
00:47:31,159 --> 00:47:34,159
up happening is nine times out of ten, if somebody

918
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,280
is killed and we have to start CPR on a trauma,

919
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,239
they more often they don't really come back. It's very

920
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,920
rare that we actually get pulses back and you know,

921
00:47:42,039 --> 00:47:45,760
full cognitive function, et cetera. And so we would I'd

922
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,000
be communicating with the person as we're doing this, and

923
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:50,960
what would happen on a trauma call. It was interesting.

924
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:53,360
I thought this was really interesting. It was always a

925
00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:57,320
celestial it was always an angel now and it started

926
00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,920
like fireflies and it would be next to so imagine

927
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:02,360
the scene. Okay, we got a crumpled car, we got

928
00:48:02,440 --> 00:48:04,039
a body of a car, we got a soul floating,

929
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:06,239
we got all of us coming up to like handle that,

930
00:48:07,039 --> 00:48:09,719
and then it started like fireflies. And to me, an

931
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:14,519
angel isn't like this winged creature with like flowing. Yeah,

932
00:48:14,639 --> 00:48:15,920
it's never helped.

933
00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 1: I love the way your voice just showed it. It's

934
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:24,840
a weird creature, spiritual. I love that.

935
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:26,599
Speaker 3: It was.

936
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 2: It's a frequency, you guys. All of this is just frequency.

937
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,920
It's all just energy. Okay, there's a consciousness associated with celestials,

938
00:48:33,960 --> 00:48:37,400
and it just is the most nurturing, calming, loving, amazing

939
00:48:37,639 --> 00:48:40,960
energy ever. Usually eight to twelve feet tall. The big

940
00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:43,480
ones are twelve feet, but usually around eight to twelve

941
00:48:43,519 --> 00:48:48,920
feet cobalt blue, very very gentle, very compassionate. If there

942
00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:52,519
was features which I often didn't see, it was very androgynous,

943
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:55,840
very beautiful. But they never say anything. They're just there

944
00:48:55,920 --> 00:49:01,039
to like just coated the entire chaotics scene of crazy

945
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:04,840
with this really beautiful calm, and then the person who

946
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:08,480
had just died would be like, what is this right?

947
00:49:09,079 --> 00:49:14,000
And I would watch them sometimes well yeah, sometimes yeah.

948
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:16,039
It was just very very gentle. There was kind of

949
00:49:16,119 --> 00:49:20,519
this understanding. It's not like they came and you know, no,

950
00:49:20,639 --> 00:49:23,320
there's no snatching. You're not going to be snatched by anything,

951
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:27,199
especially anything dark. We'll talk about that too, But it

952
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:31,679
was this gentle coming to understanding, gentle like, okay, wait

953
00:49:31,679 --> 00:49:34,000
a second, I guess I just died. And then they

954
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:37,280
would turn and they would embrace and disappear. And so

955
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,320
at that time I knew that we would be running

956
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:42,760
a CPR, you know, to the hospital.

957
00:49:42,559 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 1: So the body could still be alive while this is

958
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:46,800
going on.

959
00:49:47,159 --> 00:49:50,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, if they were still connected by like a spider web,

960
00:49:50,239 --> 00:49:53,920
or they would just one little silver string of data

961
00:49:54,119 --> 00:49:57,800
that's connecting the body to the soul. And once that snaps,

962
00:49:58,119 --> 00:50:01,440
then you have to understand that the heart doesn't just stop.

963
00:50:01,519 --> 00:50:04,760
It goes down and kicks out, and then the respirations

964
00:50:04,800 --> 00:50:05,559
go down and kick out.

965
00:50:05,679 --> 00:50:09,079
Speaker 1: Usually did you ever see anything like that and revive them, Yes,

966
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:12,199
but rarely. But in other words, you saw them standing

967
00:50:13,039 --> 00:50:14,159
the angel came or.

968
00:50:14,199 --> 00:50:16,199
Speaker 2: No, most of the time. If the angel came, they

969
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:16,599
were gone.

970
00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: That's that's like. So if they're just standing there, they're like,

971
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:20,920
and no one's coming.

972
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:22,400
Speaker 2: There may be a chance.

973
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,159
Speaker 1: There may there still may be a chance, but it

974
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:24,480
could go.

975
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,079
Speaker 2: It could go either way. But again with trauma calls,

976
00:50:27,119 --> 00:50:30,239
you have to understand that the practicality and pragmatics of

977
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,840
and I will one call and understand CPR and getting

978
00:50:33,119 --> 00:50:36,320
you know, actual return of sponging use circulation with cognitive

979
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,760
intact is very very rare on people that have been

980
00:50:40,519 --> 00:50:41,559
in trauma docks.

981
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,199
Speaker 1: I mean I watched the pit. So yes, I understand

982
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:46,199
all everything you just said. I just said everything that

983
00:50:46,519 --> 00:50:50,239
I could do this right now, let's go, we could

984
00:50:50,280 --> 00:50:55,480
run a call. It's fine, It's fine completely. So it's

985
00:50:56,119 --> 00:50:58,840
so you were you mentioned something about dark. I know

986
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:00,400
that's a lot of fear a lot of people have

987
00:51:00,679 --> 00:51:03,760
of like so going back to ghost, Yeah, the dark

988
00:51:04,119 --> 00:51:07,679
experience that came and pulled the bad gun down. Oh

989
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:10,280
my god, can you imagine. But that's the one place

990
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,639
that got wrong because I've never heard in all of

991
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:15,800
my experiences, in all of my conversations, that doesn't.

992
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:16,400
Speaker 2: It doesn't happen.

993
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 1: It's not a thing. You're not going to. Dark angels

994
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,880
not coming. I've heard of hellish near death experiences which

995
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:26,280
are self induced subconsciousness and to you because of the

996
00:51:26,679 --> 00:51:29,079
program you had, and then you always have a way

997
00:51:29,119 --> 00:51:31,800
out and generally all of them Jesus shows up, an

998
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:33,679
angel shows up, someone shows as soon as they ask

999
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:37,079
for it. So I'm glad. I want you to clear

1000
00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:39,599
that fear for people because of people, because of all

1001
00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:42,480
the dogma and all the crap that were thrown on that.

1002
00:51:42,559 --> 00:51:44,559
You're like, if you did you know, if you did this,

1003
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:47,800
the dark angels coming or death is coming for you.

1004
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:48,079
Speaker 3: No.

1005
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 2: No, I've saw hundreds of deaths and what hundreds of

1006
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:53,679
dead bodies and.

1007
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:57,840
Speaker 1: Some probably not the most most kind souls. No, No,

1008
00:51:59,199 --> 00:52:00,639
some of them might have been. And then the darker

1009
00:52:00,920 --> 00:52:01,760
doing dark stuff.

1010
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's part of the human paradigm, right

1011
00:52:04,519 --> 00:52:06,880
all there's parts for all of it. But I never

1012
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:09,719
one time saw a dark entity come snatch a soul

1013
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:12,760
away ever, right, Okay, So there's nothing to fear in that.

1014
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:17,320
And my understanding with ghosts is sometimes we disembody. So

1015
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:22,840
if there is a self induced death, sometimes we disembody

1016
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,480
and there may be a little bit of curriculum left,

1017
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:30,159
whether it's karma curriculum or some sort of balancing integration

1018
00:52:30,280 --> 00:52:36,119
type curriculum from higher assignment, and the person then can

1019
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:40,360
spend the rest of their incarnation cycle as it kind

1020
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:42,599
of in between as a ghost, if you will. Now

1021
00:52:42,679 --> 00:52:44,639
it's not just maybe if you had a little bit

1022
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:47,239
more to learn or balancing some karma stuff. Some people

1023
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,760
are just really dang attached, Like I like this house,

1024
00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,119
damn it, I'm not leaving.

1025
00:52:51,239 --> 00:52:54,480
Speaker 1: It's like okay, and the angel shows up and to

1026
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:58,280
like get with that stuff next. You know how much

1027
00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:01,519
property values are. I'm in la Are you want you

1028
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:05,280
this cow? Cost kind of thing? Right, right, I've heard this.

1029
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,199
I've heard this that these are people who a lot

1030
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:11,519
of times I've heard that ghosts are they don't know

1031
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:15,079
they're dead, No, they just they literally are just embodied,

1032
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:17,199
like I'm just living alive, Like why are these people

1033
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,880
in my house? Get them out of here? You know,

1034
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:23,239
like that other that old movie The Others with Nicol Kinman,

1035
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:25,360
But they thought maybay the ghosts, but it was the

1036
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:27,760
other way around. All that kind of stuff. So it's

1037
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,239
that the way you understand as well for ghosts.

1038
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, oftentimes for sure. Also, my understanding is that there

1039
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:38,000
are no fragments that are left behind. Ultimately everything integrates

1040
00:53:38,039 --> 00:53:40,519
into the hole. And so at some point there can

1041
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:42,920
be you know, maybe a medium comes and like, yo,

1042
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,920
you're dead, you know, or someone like yourself feel like

1043
00:53:45,960 --> 00:53:47,960
me and be like do this little triosh thing that

1044
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:50,559
I do with them, and just tell them because again,

1045
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:52,400
if they don't know, or if they're attached to a

1046
00:53:52,519 --> 00:53:55,519
person or a place or something, all of it's okay.

1047
00:53:55,639 --> 00:54:00,239
And ultimately everything ultimately integrates. Everything as far as I've

1048
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:03,840
been able to perceive, ultimately integrates. And it's not like

1049
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:08,159
two weeks from Tuesday or like you know, it's the time.

1050
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:12,760
The linear structure doesn't exist in higher planes. And so

1051
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,280
some people are, wow, how long does this last? Or

1052
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,039
you know, it's we can't quantify it like that because

1053
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:22,280
when you're in the heightened state, everything's happening simultaneously. So

1054
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,039
you're in that state, and then ultimately the ghost will

1055
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:30,119
have ghost spirit will have an invitation. Yo, you know,

1056
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:32,320
here here's an opportunity to transition.

1057
00:54:33,159 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 1: And again I'll go back to ghost. That's exactly what

1058
00:54:35,559 --> 00:54:38,559
happened to Patrick, you know, Trick, Patrick, God bless his

1059
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:41,800
heart was his soul. But when he passed in the movie,

1060
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,920
a light came, an invitation came. He's like, but yep,

1061
00:54:46,159 --> 00:54:48,159
no I got and he had to deal with everything

1062
00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:50,079
he dealt with and when he was done dealing with it,

1063
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,440
he left. That's it, he was, I did my work.

1064
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,119
I need to solve my murder. Yeah, you know, setend me.

1065
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:59,679
He's Demi Moore. I don't want to leave, right, you know,

1066
00:55:00,199 --> 00:55:02,239
you're in the nineties, they mean more in the nineties.

1067
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,159
I don't want to go anywhere. Are you getting you know?

1068
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,800
And she's like, that's Patrick Swayze in the nineties, like yeah,

1069
00:55:06,840 --> 00:55:10,320
you know, so you know, it's it's interesting. So that

1070
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:14,239
with the ghost thing is is interesting because the anger,

1071
00:55:14,440 --> 00:55:16,719
like you hear angry goes, hauntings and things like that.

1072
00:55:17,320 --> 00:55:18,840
They could just be like get out of my head.

1073
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, totally. Isn't it funny how it's always the same

1074
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,639
thing with light flickering and like throwing books and candles.

1075
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:25,280
I'm like, can you guys come up with something else?

1076
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 3: A little?

1077
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they have the ability to do

1078
00:55:28,039 --> 00:55:30,079
something else, you know, Like you know, but it's but

1079
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:33,800
it's interesting. So it's not that they're evil. They're just evil.

1080
00:55:33,920 --> 00:55:37,239
A concept evils this concept here. Yeah, there is nothing

1081
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,199
like that there from your understanding. On the other side,

1082
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:44,320
there are from what I understand, there are lower energies,

1083
00:55:44,440 --> 00:55:47,599
oh for sure. Yeah, so it's not like evil spirits,

1084
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,880
but there is lower energies have that that have chosen

1085
00:55:50,960 --> 00:55:53,639
to stay where they are. Everyone has the ability to

1086
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,039
evolve at certain point. It's not hell or anything like that.

1087
00:55:56,519 --> 00:55:59,280
But even in the astral realm. Even Yogi's talk about that,

1088
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:02,599
and they're littered in their books. They're like, yeah, if

1089
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:04,679
you're in the astro realm and there's multiple levels and

1090
00:56:04,679 --> 00:56:07,800
all this kind of stuff, but there are lower levels, yeah,

1091
00:56:08,159 --> 00:56:12,719
of souls who just don't want to or they're addicted

1092
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:14,480
to the negative energy or something like that.

1093
00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:16,599
Speaker 2: Is that what you want and everything serves a purpose.

1094
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:18,599
So I have to understand a lot of times what

1095
00:56:18,679 --> 00:56:21,880
I see in the spiritual community is kind of a

1096
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:24,599
light chasing or like the good vibes only only want

1097
00:56:24,599 --> 00:56:26,559
to feel good kind of thing, And it's a misunderstanding

1098
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:29,400
oftentimes of the nature of duality. There's nothing to fear

1099
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:31,559
in darkness, because if we didn't have darkness, we couldn't

1100
00:56:31,559 --> 00:56:34,119
have light. We have to have the equal opposite correct

1101
00:56:34,239 --> 00:56:39,079
and my personal lived experience is the more willing I've

1102
00:56:39,159 --> 00:56:41,800
been to go into and own my own darkness, my

1103
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:46,119
own shadow, my own fear, my own behaviors and characteristics,

1104
00:56:46,239 --> 00:56:50,320
my own trauma, that gives me the access to the

1105
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:53,920
equal opposite amount of light. So people are wanting this

1106
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:58,320
like high vibe experience and trying to like come up

1107
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,880
out of the bodies all of these different practices, which

1108
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:04,440
it's amazing. There's a lot of great ways out there,

1109
00:57:05,039 --> 00:57:08,280
and don't there's nothing to fear in darkness. It's part

1110
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:11,559
of the human paradigm. The more we understand it, the

1111
00:57:11,679 --> 00:57:15,239
more that we own our side of it, our part

1112
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,800
in it, then what happens is we are given access

1113
00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:19,920
to both.

1114
00:57:20,440 --> 00:57:24,679
Speaker 1: Let me ask you this, so not recently, but it

1115
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:26,639
seems like a lot more recently, there's been a lot

1116
00:57:26,679 --> 00:57:30,280
of spiritual teachers who have fallen some grace, some very

1117
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:36,960
large ones. Yes, and doesn't negate their teachings. It doesn't

1118
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:40,119
negate the good they've done in the world. But it

1119
00:57:40,199 --> 00:57:42,159
seems like what you just said trigger something in me

1120
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:46,039
that said, well, it's because they didn't address the dark

1121
00:57:46,800 --> 00:57:48,760
in them. They didn't want to go to that, and

1122
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:51,760
then they fell into ego, or they fell into power

1123
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:56,000
structures or things like that, which are all traps, even

1124
00:57:56,039 --> 00:57:58,480
for the most spiritually class. I always say the spiritual

1125
00:57:58,559 --> 00:57:59,400
ego is one of the worst.

1126
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:02,599
Speaker 2: There's more ego in the spiritual world than the fire Department,

1127
00:58:02,719 --> 00:58:10,280
and that's because those guys got calendars and parades. I've

1128
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,400
been in the spiritual world around twenty years now, and

1129
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:16,679
there's a lot of really beautiful, well meaning, well intentioned people,

1130
00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:21,320
and there's so many different beautiful practices and modalities. And

1131
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,519
for me my experience, I was closeted. I didn't want

1132
00:58:24,519 --> 00:58:26,760
anything to do with this. When I finally surrendered, when

1133
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:28,760
I finally was like, Okay, there's got to be a

1134
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,000
reason I'm like this. I'm using it to help people

1135
00:58:31,079 --> 00:58:32,880
in their worst moments. This can't be bad. What do

1136
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,800
I do for me? I began with meditation. I got

1137
00:58:35,840 --> 00:58:38,519
into meditation circles and communities, and I went into yoga.

1138
00:58:38,599 --> 00:58:41,559
Then I went into Kundalini. Then I went into mediumship,

1139
00:58:41,719 --> 00:58:43,360
and then I went I was reiki and all these

1140
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:44,920
different energy healing practice.

1141
00:58:45,559 --> 00:58:47,199
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I like to explore.

1142
00:58:47,239 --> 00:58:50,360
Speaker 2: I want to dabble right. For me, my most profound

1143
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:53,519
healing and integration areas were going to be shamanism in

1144
00:58:53,639 --> 00:58:58,159
plant medicine ceremonies, in addition to the medical intuition training

1145
00:58:58,199 --> 00:59:01,719
in the psychosurgery training that I ultimately got. But all

1146
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,000
of these are branches of similar trees or the same tree.

1147
00:59:05,519 --> 00:59:09,039
And what I kept seeing over and over again are

1148
00:59:09,320 --> 00:59:17,639
people giving power easily to like whatever this guru or

1149
00:59:17,639 --> 00:59:20,960
whoever this persicular culture, but give their power away. When

1150
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:24,039
I advocate for you, guys, I believe this is my belief.

1151
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:26,440
Always take what resonates and let go of what doesn't.

1152
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:26,719
Speaker 1: Okay.

1153
00:59:27,199 --> 00:59:29,480
Speaker 2: I believe that we are all our own best teacher

1154
00:59:29,519 --> 00:59:31,880
and healer, and I believe that you are the guru

1155
00:59:32,159 --> 00:59:36,079
of your own life. And I advocate please retain your

1156
00:59:36,159 --> 00:59:40,920
personal power. Go explore, go experience, and take what resonates,

1157
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,480
let go of what doesn't. Be mindful to maintain your

1158
00:59:45,559 --> 00:59:49,559
personal power, because there's a lot of people very large

1159
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:54,280
egos in the spiritual world and they're they're wanting that,

1160
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:57,639
and so it's all what it is. But I really

1161
00:59:57,760 --> 01:00:00,400
believe that the more willing you are to just kind

1162
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,400
of stay within self and hold your own personal power.

1163
01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

1164
01:00:11,639 --> 01:00:12,840
and now back to the show.

1165
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:15,079
Speaker 3: Then.

1166
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:17,519
Speaker 2: I mean, that's that's the key, man, because it's like

1167
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:20,480
you have your power, I have my power. Each individual

1168
01:00:20,559 --> 01:00:23,239
has their power. And what I love doing now more

1169
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,960
than anything is helping people remember that, right. It's like

1170
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:27,719
I don't want you power, man, like I don't need that.

1171
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,679
I have my own, and I want you to remember

1172
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,960
yours so that you can feel good and you can

1173
01:00:32,039 --> 01:00:34,199
be healthy and you can change your patterns and behaviors

1174
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:34,679
and lives.

1175
01:00:35,000 --> 01:00:38,719
Speaker 1: I mean, it's basically what I mean. It's as simple

1176
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,119
as what Christ said back in the day. The power

1177
01:00:41,159 --> 01:00:43,679
of the Kingdom of heavens within you. You everything I

1178
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,679
can do, you can do it more. Yeah, I mean

1179
01:00:46,119 --> 01:00:50,880
he didn't want the pomp and circumstance that's around him

1180
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:54,199
right now totally, which is what I That's what we

1181
01:00:54,320 --> 01:00:56,159
do all the time here Next Level Soul, which we

1182
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,719
want people to understand the power is within them. Now.

1183
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,360
You can learn from a thousand different modalities and we

1184
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,960
do talch on all of We try to all of them. Yeah. Yeah,

1185
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,400
but it's not about giving your powerway to any individual.

1186
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,559
You might really love one modality, go for it, but

1187
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,320
never let go of your own yeah power, because there's

1188
01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:22,159
always someone there to take it. No, oh, always someone

1189
01:01:22,239 --> 01:01:24,960
there to take it. So before we go into the

1190
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:27,920
plant medicine, because I'm going your experiences in the plant

1191
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:32,480
medicine during your time as a paramedic, what is one

1192
01:01:32,519 --> 01:01:37,159
of the craziest stories that you have that you're like, man,

1193
01:01:37,320 --> 01:01:38,880
that was a that was a wild ride.

1194
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:42,800
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, there's so many different calls. But like I'll

1195
01:01:42,840 --> 01:01:46,840
just give you the example from the beginning of the book.

1196
01:01:46,920 --> 01:01:49,719
And I like sharing those real stories because I like

1197
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:54,880
bringing people into that visceral experience with me. And this

1198
01:01:55,039 --> 01:01:58,480
one shattered me in some ways because you got to

1199
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:02,519
understand I was just trying to do my job, still

1200
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:05,639
didn't understand energies, didn't have anybody talk to about this stuff.

1201
01:02:05,880 --> 01:02:08,519
So imagine doing these things and seeing these things day

1202
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:11,639
after day and not being process so you can't process.

1203
01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:13,800
I had young kids at the time, and it's like.

1204
01:02:15,119 --> 01:02:17,719
Speaker 1: I got about that you also raising children while you're

1205
01:02:17,719 --> 01:02:19,519
going through all of this insanity and going to the

1206
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:21,119
playparks with other moms.

1207
01:02:21,159 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 2: We were talking about like nannies and petticures and I'm

1208
01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:23,960
over here, like.

1209
01:02:24,119 --> 01:02:28,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just saw someone fall off a built Like It's.

1210
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:33,559
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, totally not relatable as much. But so I

1211
01:02:33,719 --> 01:02:36,960
was working at the time with my favorite partner, Kevin

1212
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:41,199
and who has since passed. Love him, and Kevin and

1213
01:02:41,320 --> 01:02:43,079
I were just chilling. We had been slammed all day

1214
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:46,559
long and we were just having a dinner or whatever,

1215
01:02:46,599 --> 01:02:48,840
and we got the call for a car accident. It

1216
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,440
was pretty late at night and we were almost off shifts,

1217
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:53,199
so I was mad because I wanted to go home.

1218
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,800
But we got down the street and I wasn't thinking

1219
01:02:55,840 --> 01:02:57,079
it was going to be a big thing, and I

1220
01:02:57,199 --> 01:03:00,679
just see this this hummer in the intersections, white, got

1221
01:03:00,679 --> 01:03:01,559
a big fancy grill.

1222
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:01,800
Speaker 1: Whatever.

1223
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,639
Speaker 2: It doesn't look like there's very much damage to it.

1224
01:03:03,719 --> 01:03:05,239
So I was like, ah, whatever, is it just going

1225
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:06,880
to be a te bone or something. But then I

1226
01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:10,480
see this huge debris field, right, it's just all these parts.

1227
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:12,880
And then way over here in the embankment is a

1228
01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:17,119
tiny Honda Civic just crumpled, and so I knew at

1229
01:03:17,159 --> 01:03:21,400
that minute, crap, that's my patient. And so firefighters going,

1230
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:24,000
we got to extricate stabilized jaws of life all the things,

1231
01:03:24,039 --> 01:03:26,320
and so for me, I pop out of the ambulance,

1232
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:29,119
my boots hit the ground. I go into full matrix style,

1233
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:33,440
like right, and everything is coming at me. As I'm walking,

1234
01:03:33,519 --> 01:03:35,760
I can only hear my breath going in and out.

1235
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:41,199
And this girl was only like seventeen oh and seventeen eighteen,

1236
01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:45,800
and she was trapped in pinned from femurs down under

1237
01:03:45,880 --> 01:03:48,400
the steering column which had been crumpled over her. But

1238
01:03:48,719 --> 01:03:51,199
the impact was so severe that her body went into

1239
01:03:51,559 --> 01:03:53,519
the passenger side and her head was in the back.

1240
01:03:54,239 --> 01:03:58,039
So this poses an extrication and an airway issue for

1241
01:03:58,159 --> 01:03:59,719
us because we have to reach our airway to keep

1242
01:03:59,719 --> 01:04:02,280
her because she was doing that guppy breathing thing. But

1243
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:05,639
I remember, I'll never forget. She was just staring straight

1244
01:04:05,679 --> 01:04:08,079
at the ceiling in her eyes with this beautiful emerald

1245
01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:10,679
green and I just remember looking at her like she's

1246
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,840
just a baby, right, And she was there, she was

1247
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,599
she was on her phone, turned in the corner and

1248
01:04:15,719 --> 01:04:20,639
that was it, and they were stabilizing the car. And

1249
01:04:20,719 --> 01:04:23,320
I'm the smallest person on scene, and so I have

1250
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:25,719
to reach in and I'm trying to like breathe for her.

1251
01:04:25,840 --> 01:04:27,719
We have tubes and things that we can stick in

1252
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,800
people's smells and throats, and so we're trying to stabilize

1253
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:32,920
and put a cervical collar and figure out the way

1254
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:33,519
to extricate.

1255
01:04:34,280 --> 01:04:35,039
Speaker 1: And so I was.

1256
01:04:35,159 --> 01:04:38,440
Speaker 2: Breathing here for her, and I saw the spider web

1257
01:04:38,639 --> 01:04:41,280
and I saw her soul just floating right at the

1258
01:04:41,320 --> 01:04:43,239
top of the car here, and she was looking around

1259
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:48,840
like what, you know, what's going on? And I was like, oh,

1260
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:50,920
you know, you've been in a car accident. I'm here

1261
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:52,639
to help you. I'm going to get your body out

1262
01:04:52,679 --> 01:04:54,840
of the car. And this is telepathic, of course, not

1263
01:04:55,320 --> 01:04:58,760
we're laying that, but I'm doing everything necessary to stabilize

1264
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:01,719
her physical body. And then finally when they got the

1265
01:05:01,800 --> 01:05:04,119
jaws of life and they were able to hoist up

1266
01:05:04,199 --> 01:05:08,320
the steering column off that was holding her blood pressure intact. Okay,

1267
01:05:08,360 --> 01:05:11,599
I saw her blood pressure plummeted. And so it was

1268
01:05:11,719 --> 01:05:14,639
at the time right when they released the steering column.

1269
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:17,920
And you have to understand, there's the smell of gasoline

1270
01:05:18,079 --> 01:05:21,199
mixed with blood. There's like sparks coming from the saw,

1271
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:23,519
from the jaws of life. There's you got like eight

1272
01:05:23,599 --> 01:05:26,920
of us with extrication team and you know, fire department,

1273
01:05:27,079 --> 01:05:31,440
police and everybody that's there. And as soon as they

1274
01:05:31,559 --> 01:05:35,159
released so she had been floating here. I was talking

1275
01:05:35,239 --> 01:05:39,039
to her, talking to her telepathically. I'm breathing with her

1276
01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:42,679
through the window. And as soon as right when they

1277
01:05:42,719 --> 01:05:47,480
were pulling the steering column off, there's the fireflies. There's

1278
01:05:47,519 --> 01:05:51,920
the fireflies, which was the celestial frequency coming in. As

1279
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:55,360
soon as they lifted, blood pressure plummets, heart rate kicks out.

1280
01:05:55,679 --> 01:05:59,840
She's done, and hear that little spider web snaps, and

1281
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:04,039
so I watch her fully form. So standing now above

1282
01:06:04,079 --> 01:06:07,679
the car, looking at the angel, and so they I

1283
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,679
watched the merge. I still got my arms story, I'm

1284
01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:12,599
all scraped up. I got a glass at my hair.

1285
01:06:12,679 --> 01:06:15,719
We have all kinds of stuff happening on scene. And

1286
01:06:15,840 --> 01:06:18,199
we had to pull her out. Once they opened up

1287
01:06:18,239 --> 01:06:20,519
the car door. We had to pull her out, put

1288
01:06:20,519 --> 01:06:22,199
her on the backboard, start the IDs in and be

1289
01:06:22,320 --> 01:06:24,199
and get her all the way to the hospital, which

1290
01:06:24,320 --> 01:06:26,960
they declared her dead just you know, five or ten

1291
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:31,760
minutes later. So it's this like full capacity sensory experience.

1292
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:33,360
And then you go back and then you got to

1293
01:06:33,400 --> 01:06:36,679
give the doctor, the trauma doctor and the nurses this

1294
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:41,079
turnover report. Everything is extremely fast paced and extremely intense.

1295
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:47,119
And there was two things that really hit me. One

1296
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:51,320
was that the police came and said they wanted to

1297
01:06:51,400 --> 01:06:53,559
know if she made it. No, she didn't make it.

1298
01:06:54,039 --> 01:06:56,119
She was on the phone with her boyfriend. He was

1299
01:06:56,199 --> 01:06:59,800
two blocks away in a restaurant about to propose.

1300
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 1: Oh Jesus, oh my god.

1301
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,639
Speaker 2: When her cell phone cut out and he heard sirens.

1302
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:12,159
He came, oh no, and he watched us pull her out.

1303
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:18,760
Speaker 1: Oh so that hit hard. And then I have kids, Yeah,

1304
01:07:19,079 --> 01:07:20,960
were they around that ege? No, mine were young at

1305
01:07:21,000 --> 01:07:22,000
the time, but still.

1306
01:07:22,159 --> 01:07:25,400
Speaker 2: And then the nurse, God bless her. I'll just never

1307
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:26,800
forget because you have to remember I was just a

1308
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:28,800
hot mass. I'm covered in blood, I'm scraped out, a

1309
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,519
glass in my hair, I'm doing my job like I'm

1310
01:07:30,519 --> 01:07:33,639
all in it, and this nurse just turns on her

1311
01:07:33,719 --> 01:07:35,159
heel and she just looks at us and it's like,

1312
01:07:35,280 --> 01:07:37,559
why do you even transport her? Like why do you

1313
01:07:37,639 --> 01:07:40,480
even print her hair? There's no empathy and it just

1314
01:07:40,639 --> 01:07:43,280
went there was like and I just went to the

1315
01:07:43,559 --> 01:07:46,079
bathroom in the earms started bombing because I was like,

1316
01:07:46,840 --> 01:07:48,199
what am I supposed to do with this?

1317
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:49,400
Speaker 1: Wow?

1318
01:07:50,679 --> 01:07:51,719
Speaker 2: Fifteen years of.

1319
01:07:51,800 --> 01:07:55,559
Speaker 1: That I have to ask you, you know, dealing with

1320
01:07:55,639 --> 01:07:58,960
I mean, and I understand you have the the psychic

1321
01:07:59,039 --> 01:08:02,679
thing going on, and the psychic thing going on, and

1322
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:05,519
you've got the I see the energies and the angels

1323
01:08:05,559 --> 01:08:08,079
and all. I know you had that side of you. Yes,

1324
01:08:08,159 --> 01:08:11,679
we do. But you're still a human being and you

1325
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:16,600
had fifteen years of seeing death all the time and

1326
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,640
seeing humanity at it's the worst of humanity at the

1327
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:25,000
worst time of their lives or shortly thereafter then not

1328
01:08:25,119 --> 01:08:29,359
their lives. How did you process it without anybody to

1329
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:31,319
talk to about it, because it doesn't sound like you

1330
01:08:31,399 --> 01:08:34,000
had You're not talking, You're not going through therapy or

1331
01:08:34,039 --> 01:08:36,479
anything like that at the time, not at the time, eventually,

1332
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:42,079
but during that time just processing that. Like I mean,

1333
01:08:42,119 --> 01:08:44,880
I have family members who are in the healthcare field

1334
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:48,439
and nothing is extreme as what you're doing, and they

1335
01:08:48,520 --> 01:08:52,319
had to just process just being in a hospital period like,

1336
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:57,439
not not even an emergency room, just like a hospital

1337
01:08:57,600 --> 01:09:00,119
and they had the process stuff that they saw. So

1338
01:09:00,279 --> 01:09:02,720
how did you even deal with How does it change you?

1339
01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:03,520
Speaker 3: Oh?

1340
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:08,840
Speaker 2: Fundamentally changes us as people. And again, first responders were

1341
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:12,199
a different breed, you know, we run towards what everybody

1342
01:09:12,239 --> 01:09:14,880
else runs away from. And so there's something within us

1343
01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:17,079
and our wiring and thank God, thank God for us

1344
01:09:17,239 --> 01:09:20,000
right like we're needed, especially in this world now because

1345
01:09:20,119 --> 01:09:23,000
it's busy Now'm one one is always very busy for

1346
01:09:23,119 --> 01:09:28,720
me at the time. I would go between working shifts

1347
01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:32,079
in the streets on running nine one one, and I

1348
01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:34,840
became a paramedic instructor, and so I would teach school,

1349
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,720
and so I would go between, and when I started

1350
01:09:37,760 --> 01:09:39,720
to get too burned out from running the calls, I

1351
01:09:39,720 --> 01:09:41,960
would teach more and then so I would kind of

1352
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:43,800
lateral back and forth with that, and that was a

1353
01:09:43,880 --> 01:09:47,239
good day. That was my co And so I was

1354
01:09:47,359 --> 01:09:50,640
raising two small children and me being kind of the intense,

1355
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:55,720
like adrenaline junkie. It was about I start. I've always

1356
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,920
exercised a lot, you know, especially after I got healthy again,

1357
01:09:59,079 --> 01:10:04,800
and so marathons, ultra marathons. Yeah, I was like elite

1358
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:08,239
level fitness for a couple of years. Like, so I

1359
01:10:08,399 --> 01:10:11,439
was always kind of doing the higher intensity, but the

1360
01:10:12,199 --> 01:10:14,880
physical exertion helped me to process through a lot of it.

1361
01:10:15,039 --> 01:10:17,479
And I still didn't get to the root of my

1362
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,920
own personal trauma and deal with the full magnitude of

1363
01:10:20,960 --> 01:10:23,359
it until I got into my own somatic trauma therapy.

1364
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 1: Right. So, because it's not only that you you came

1365
01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:29,720
into that job with trauma, yeah, and a lot of baggage,

1366
01:10:29,960 --> 01:10:32,520
and eternally you're like, I just you just shoved down somewhere.

1367
01:10:32,520 --> 01:10:34,600
I don't want to deal with it. Then you start

1368
01:10:34,720 --> 01:10:39,359
seeing that all of this, do you carry that with you? No,

1369
01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:41,479
you know you were lucky you just let it go.

1370
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,000
Speaker 2: Well, and again, because we're wired differently, like I'm not

1371
01:10:44,119 --> 01:10:46,279
looking at that like it's a person and this is

1372
01:10:46,359 --> 01:10:48,800
just how we're trained. You have to understand there's no

1373
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:50,920
sense of like I'm looking at it like, oh, we

1374
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:53,840
have eleven bullet wounds, find the entry, find the exit, you.

1375
01:10:55,479 --> 01:10:55,640
Speaker 1: Name.

1376
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,079
Speaker 2: We have to stabilize the body, stabilize the body. You're

1377
01:10:59,119 --> 01:11:00,920
going and you're running the mechanics. So we run the

1378
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:04,399
mechanics with a huge team, and the team are usually dudes,

1379
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:07,279
and you know, it's it's a very intense, but it's

1380
01:11:07,319 --> 01:11:10,840
a very fine tuned machine, like that of being a

1381
01:11:10,880 --> 01:11:14,439
first responder, and so it's it's less about that and

1382
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,399
it's not the like the bloods and the blood and

1383
01:11:17,479 --> 01:11:20,159
the guts, and the gore doesn't typically affect us. It's

1384
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:24,279
what humans do to each other. And it's always the mom,

1385
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,399
the mother screaming when she just lost her baby. Ah,

1386
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:31,159
that's the worst of the worst that pierces through you.

1387
01:11:31,439 --> 01:11:32,680
That's what stays with us.

1388
01:11:32,960 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: So the closest I have had to anything that you're

1389
01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,199
talking about. I had an experience once. I think I've

1390
01:11:38,199 --> 01:11:42,600
ever spoken about this. I was driving in Orlando with

1391
01:11:42,720 --> 01:11:44,479
a buddy of mine and we were going to a

1392
01:11:44,720 --> 01:11:49,439
comic book convention. But my friend was a registered nurse.

1393
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:52,800
You saw a car accent or something car acent, he

1394
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:56,800
stopped because that's just instinct, and it was I'll never

1395
01:11:56,960 --> 01:11:59,119
I mean, it's burned into my head. I can only

1396
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:02,159
mend you have thousands these in your head. I we

1397
01:12:02,279 --> 01:12:08,720
got out, He's like, I gotta help. Two motorcycles ran

1398
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:13,079
right into one of them ran right into a van,

1399
01:12:14,359 --> 01:12:19,119
like the front No, so the vans here. The motorcycle

1400
01:12:19,239 --> 01:12:23,760
t bones the bodies off this So it was a

1401
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,239
father and son. The father is the one that t

1402
01:12:26,399 --> 01:12:31,680
bones the son. I guess cliped something. But he was out.

1403
01:12:31,800 --> 01:12:34,159
I mean he was like, he was also hurt. But

1404
01:12:34,319 --> 01:12:36,680
nothing is bad. When we got I'm getting chills just

1405
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,920
even thinking about this. When we got there, I had

1406
01:12:39,960 --> 01:12:45,000
never experienced anything like it. And my my buddy went

1407
01:12:45,079 --> 01:12:48,159
into nurse mode like he was. He was an R

1408
01:12:48,399 --> 01:12:50,800
guy too, so he's like boomom boom, boom boom. And

1409
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:58,479
the guy's the father. It was purple. He was purple.

1410
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:00,720
His face was purple. So they had taking the helmet

1411
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:02,720
off and they were trying. He was trying to revive them.

1412
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:06,079
And there's chaos and people yelling, and empt has not

1413
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:08,760
gotten there yet and cops haven't gotten there yet. It's

1414
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:10,239
like we didn't see it happened, but we might have

1415
01:13:10,319 --> 01:13:14,720
been ten seconds fifteen seconds behind. And then the kid

1416
01:13:15,640 --> 01:13:20,279
is sitting maybe fifty feet away and he's sitting on

1417
01:13:20,359 --> 01:13:22,920
the ground bloody, but he's up and.

1418
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:25,479
Speaker 2: That he just lost his dad.

1419
01:13:25,640 --> 01:13:28,439
Speaker 1: He's yelling at he's yelling for his dad, and the

1420
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:31,720
screams because no one was telling him anything because there's

1421
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:34,840
nobody there that knows what they're doing yet except my buddy,

1422
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,880
and the yells and the screams. I'll never forget it.

1423
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,520
He's like yelling for his father, yelling for it. I'll

1424
01:13:42,720 --> 01:13:43,520
never forget that.

1425
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:44,920
Speaker 2: That's what stays with us.

1426
01:13:45,079 --> 01:13:47,560
Speaker 1: That's what stays with you, isn't it? And and that

1427
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,199
was and then we got in our car, like as

1428
01:13:49,239 --> 01:13:50,640
soon as the empty we just got in our car

1429
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,600
and left. But I can't imagine you're dealing with that

1430
01:13:55,800 --> 01:14:00,439
not only once a day, dozens of times sometimes years.

1431
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,560
Speaker 2: And just remember that's how fast it happens. That guy

1432
01:14:03,600 --> 01:14:06,920
had no idea, the idea. And so remind just the

1433
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:10,760
reminder to everybody, you guys, please live your lives. You know,

1434
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:13,359
please live your lives and celebrate and do what you

1435
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:14,680
want to do and do it.

1436
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:19,960
Speaker 1: What is the biggest lie you had believed about yourself

1437
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:21,600
that you dismissed?

1438
01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:26,079
Speaker 2: Oh, that I was crazier? There was something wrong me. Man,

1439
01:14:26,159 --> 01:14:28,479
if somebody would have told me twenty years ago, would

1440
01:14:28,479 --> 01:14:31,079
I tell people now like sure would have shaved a

1441
01:14:31,119 --> 01:14:33,279
lot of you know, time off my process. But I

1442
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:35,319
understand that I had to go through everything. I had

1443
01:14:35,359 --> 01:14:37,560
to go through all the steps and stages to really

1444
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:41,359
understand and be able to integrate deeply fully embody and

1445
01:14:41,520 --> 01:14:47,439
integrate self acceptance, groundedness with highcensed perception and you know,

1446
01:14:48,119 --> 01:14:50,119
very intense energetic abilities.

1447
01:14:50,640 --> 01:14:53,520
Speaker 1: Why do you believe that someone who had such a

1448
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:59,399
traumatic past, picks an extremely traumatic career. What do you

1449
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:03,840
believe that that experience those fifteen years did for your journey,

1450
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:07,680
because I know what you did for others and helping.

1451
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:10,359
Speaker 2: You know what it did, Alex. Honestly, you guys like

1452
01:15:12,399 --> 01:15:15,479
we tend to be so self absorbed and so self focused,

1453
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,840
and we just start in our little bubbles living our lives,

1454
01:15:17,880 --> 01:15:19,439
and a lot of us are like, poor me, right,

1455
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:22,520
And so I was like, poor me right, I've had

1456
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,279
this hard life, which I did genuine and you had

1457
01:15:25,279 --> 01:15:27,319
a poor me I genuinely did.

1458
01:15:29,239 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor

1459
01:15:35,359 --> 01:15:39,159
and now back to the show. But go into the

1460
01:15:39,239 --> 01:15:40,119
nine one one system.

1461
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:42,960
Speaker 2: I genuinely believe that it should be mandated for people

1462
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:46,039
to have to write along to see what is actually happening. Right,

1463
01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:48,079
there's the concept of what's happening, and then there's the

1464
01:15:48,119 --> 01:15:50,640
reality of what's happening, and we as first responders in

1465
01:15:50,720 --> 01:15:55,920
law enforcement, stand between the general population and that, and

1466
01:15:56,039 --> 01:16:00,800
so having a good understanding and idea of what's actually happening.

1467
01:16:01,239 --> 01:16:04,159
It shows you you go outside of your bubble, you

1468
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:08,479
get to see different experiences, how different people live, different demographics,

1469
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:12,600
different socioeconomic background. It's completely different people than you, and

1470
01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,199
it humbles you to the core. Because I realized, yeah,

1471
01:16:16,279 --> 01:16:18,439
I had it rough Man icon. You could look at

1472
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:20,039
what I come through and you could be like, I

1473
01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:23,760
get it, you know, and that pales in comparison to

1474
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:26,800
what some people go through. And I have been humbled

1475
01:16:27,319 --> 01:16:29,720
by people that I have met out there on the

1476
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:33,279
streets and you look in their eyes and you see

1477
01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,960
God because the clarity in some of them. I mean,

1478
01:16:36,079 --> 01:16:38,439
it is all around us all the time. And if

1479
01:16:38,439 --> 01:16:41,039
you're just in your little world so self focused and

1480
01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:44,079
just trying to like maintain being so spiritual, and I

1481
01:16:44,199 --> 01:16:45,800
have to do it a certain way, and I put

1482
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:49,000
my pressure on myself to let's just be real, Okay,

1483
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:51,359
take yourself out, go talk to somebody. It's not like

1484
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,920
you try to have a conversation. Learn something about ways

1485
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:56,920
that other people are. So that's what I learned, Alex.

1486
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,199
It's not about me. It's not all about me, and

1487
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:03,239
we're all in this together, right, and some people are

1488
01:17:03,279 --> 01:17:06,439
going through things that you could never even comprehend. So

1489
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:09,560
that's the biggest takeaway because I was able to see, like, yeah,

1490
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,199
all of this high sense perception stuff, I really wouldn't

1491
01:17:12,199 --> 01:17:15,520
wish on a lot of people. And ultimately some of

1492
01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:17,199
the things that I saw in the nine one one system,

1493
01:17:17,239 --> 01:17:19,960
I was like, Wow, my life is cake in l

1494
01:17:20,039 --> 01:17:24,680
a in La in the Bay Area too? Are Yeah?

1495
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 1: Rough? Yeah, callis it's busy. It's not Fargo. It was

1496
01:17:30,119 --> 01:17:34,039
wasn't It wasn't Fargo, North Dakota. Fargo, North Dakota.

1497
01:17:34,199 --> 01:17:34,399
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1498
01:17:35,359 --> 01:17:37,600
Speaker 1: I only know that access from watching the movie. I apologie.

1499
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,239
I'd never been. It is like that is it really

1500
01:17:39,399 --> 01:17:41,479
is that? We don't? You know?

1501
01:17:42,279 --> 01:17:44,079
Speaker 2: It comes out? You know what's funny is people are like,

1502
01:17:44,119 --> 01:17:45,680
I can only tell you have an accent when you're

1503
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,000
on a call, because I guess it would come out

1504
01:17:48,079 --> 01:17:50,359
on calls all of a sudden, the South Dakota accent

1505
01:17:50,439 --> 01:17:56,520
on a call the most part. I got rid of

1506
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:57,399
that accent.

1507
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:01,399
Speaker 1: Yeah lord, how have to ask you though? So the

1508
01:18:02,199 --> 01:18:07,000
angel energy I find very fascinated at any moment. Did

1509
01:18:07,079 --> 01:18:09,520
you ever connect with those energies?

1510
01:18:10,039 --> 01:18:10,560
Speaker 2: Connect how?

1511
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:10,720
Speaker 3: Like?

1512
01:18:11,319 --> 01:18:11,359
Speaker 1: No?

1513
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:11,800
Speaker 4: Just like.

1514
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,479
Speaker 2: Hell, for sure? You know what it is. It's so magnificent.

1515
01:18:16,560 --> 01:18:19,600
You just feel it's omnipresent. It takes your breath away.

1516
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:23,079
There's some deities and some celestial frequencies and some of

1517
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:27,279
the archetypical energies and frequencies. When you go into meditation

1518
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,479
or plant medicine journeys and you come face to face

1519
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:32,520
with some of these, it's just like you just feel

1520
01:18:32,520 --> 01:18:34,319
like a little mouse on the corner, just grateful to

1521
01:18:34,359 --> 01:18:34,680
be there.

1522
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:34,960
Speaker 1: You know.

1523
01:18:35,039 --> 01:18:36,760
Speaker 2: It's just absolutely reverence.

1524
01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 1: So it was it always angels, Well, that's a trauma, trauma.

1525
01:18:40,119 --> 01:18:43,159
Speaker 2: It's celastial, and there's different you know, breeds of angels

1526
01:18:43,239 --> 01:18:45,720
or whatever. And I wasn't. It wasn't like I am Michael.

1527
01:18:46,279 --> 01:18:48,359
It was never that. It was just like this, there

1528
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:50,520
was an energy of frequency that would form. But on

1529
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:55,159
the other ones you saw, yeah, like if they had

1530
01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:58,520
a religious archetype or pet or oftentimes.

1531
01:18:58,039 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 1: So what I have to ask, I mean, obviously geez

1532
01:19:00,079 --> 01:19:03,239
this Jesus who else? I'm just curious.

1533
01:19:04,239 --> 01:19:06,159
Speaker 2: I would just see the different ones from the different

1534
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:11,279
Hindu Buddhists, like different because it's just archetypical.

1535
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 1: Right right, because that's what they're using usually.

1536
01:19:13,640 --> 01:19:15,680
Speaker 2: Because it would be it would be that, and it

1537
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:18,000
was more often times family members.

1538
01:19:18,239 --> 01:19:20,560
Speaker 1: So let me ask you from your point of view,

1539
01:19:20,840 --> 01:19:24,600
when you say architect archetypical, if you're a Buddhist, you

1540
01:19:24,960 --> 01:19:27,119
expect Buddha to show up, You would expect, right, You

1541
01:19:27,159 --> 01:19:29,239
don't expect Mohammad to show up.

1542
01:19:29,319 --> 01:19:29,439
Speaker 2: Right.

1543
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:36,439
Speaker 1: Is that representation of Buddha actually Buddha's energy or is

1544
01:19:36,520 --> 01:19:39,600
it another energy from the other side making you comfortable

1545
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:42,319
that like that's it? Is that what you think? That's

1546
01:19:42,359 --> 01:19:43,680
not the actual Buddha energy?

1547
01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:48,039
Speaker 2: Well, it's it's it's it's paradoxical, right, because more than

1548
01:19:48,079 --> 01:19:51,720
one thing can be true simultaneously, especially especially right. And

1549
01:19:51,920 --> 01:19:55,039
so it's it's there's a frequency that comes into a

1550
01:19:55,079 --> 01:19:58,920
clairvoyant vision and that creates a picture through mirror mortar neurons,

1551
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:01,800
which forms the thought. So that's how we're getting these.

1552
01:20:02,279 --> 01:20:04,720
So if I'm seeing dark entities or something on someone,

1553
01:20:05,199 --> 01:20:07,319
it's not that they have like a snake on them.

1554
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:11,000
There's going to be an energy frequency associated with whatever

1555
01:20:11,039 --> 01:20:14,119
their experiences that's creating that, and so that's how it's

1556
01:20:14,159 --> 01:20:17,920
registering to me. So is it the actual frequency of

1557
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:20,279
that particular deity?

1558
01:20:20,840 --> 01:20:21,039
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1559
01:20:21,319 --> 01:20:24,000
Speaker 2: And then is it my perception being met with that?

1560
01:20:24,199 --> 01:20:27,520
Speaker 1: So it's probably going to be a combination. I have

1561
01:20:27,680 --> 01:20:30,520
to ask you, and I'm saying I'm asking this question

1562
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:35,800
for a reason you tested. I'm asking you this question

1563
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:40,439
for a reason. The you know, you've seen every aspect

1564
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:43,319
of humanity in those fifteen years, especially in LA. And

1565
01:20:43,359 --> 01:20:45,279
I lived in LA for close to fifteen years too,

1566
01:20:45,359 --> 01:20:50,079
so you meet everybody, but you definitely met everybody, and

1567
01:20:50,159 --> 01:20:54,079
you say different, socioeconomic, all that stuff. But you probably

1568
01:20:54,199 --> 01:20:59,359
ran into some pretty gnarly bad people doing bad things?

1569
01:21:01,840 --> 01:21:03,479
Is there one? And I'm sure you don't know them.

1570
01:21:03,680 --> 01:21:05,560
Maybe sometimes you're like, well, there was a shootout here,

1571
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:07,840
so obviously these guys weren't this or that. But when

1572
01:21:07,880 --> 01:21:10,880
you walked into a place maybe later on your shift

1573
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,479
or the next day, I'm like, you know who that was?

1574
01:21:13,279 --> 01:21:15,520
Kind of like that guy was like the biggest drug

1575
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,520
dealer in this or that kind of stuff. At any

1576
01:21:18,720 --> 01:21:22,800
moment with any of those those gnarly people, did you

1577
01:21:22,840 --> 01:21:26,199
ever see anything negative? Did I see anything negative?

1578
01:21:26,239 --> 01:21:29,119
Speaker 2: Meaning like energy wise? Yeah, yeah, for sure. So how

1579
01:21:29,680 --> 01:21:31,600
explain that when it comes to and this is a

1580
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:33,880
great question. Actually, I'm glad you circled back to it.

1581
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:36,119
So when we're shedding the body, it's taking off a

1582
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:40,479
heavy coat, your yourself, your experience is still intact, so

1583
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,920
your likes, your dislikes, your thoughts, your believes you're all

1584
01:21:42,960 --> 01:21:45,000
of your experience is just all of a sudden, you're

1585
01:21:45,039 --> 01:21:48,479
like lighter and there's no pain but right, But it's

1586
01:21:48,600 --> 01:21:51,720
like that's when you're disembodied. Right, And so again, I've

1587
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:55,199
never seen a dark entity or energy snatch you away

1588
01:21:55,239 --> 01:21:58,680
at that stage where darkness is is in this paradigm.

1589
01:21:58,800 --> 01:22:02,640
This is a dualistic I'm the human experience. We have contrast.

1590
01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:06,119
It's the point of being alive. So there's a whole

1591
01:22:06,199 --> 01:22:08,399
lot of contrast going down out there in the world.

1592
01:22:08,479 --> 01:22:10,960
Let's just be real, right, like, this is what's happening. Look,

1593
01:22:11,079 --> 01:22:12,880
it's like we're in this powder kit right now or

1594
01:22:13,319 --> 01:22:16,439
boiling pot. Pressure is high. Everything's so intense. People are

1595
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:19,000
like coming and glued all around us right now. And

1596
01:22:19,119 --> 01:22:21,920
this is why it's really good to understand what this

1597
01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:25,399
is now. There's nothing bad or wrong. There's different soul

1598
01:22:25,479 --> 01:22:29,439
incarnations and experiences. Some people incarnate specifically with the dark

1599
01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:33,439
soul experience, and they serve as teachers, like they can

1600
01:22:33,479 --> 01:22:39,439
be very powerful destructors, right or disruptors, disruptors, destructors, sociopaths, psychopaths,

1601
01:22:39,880 --> 01:22:42,760
narcissists like actual narcissists, those guys all kind of are

1602
01:22:42,800 --> 01:22:45,880
in that genre, if you will. Now, when it comes

1603
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:52,079
to dark entities or darkness in people's fields, typically going

1604
01:22:52,199 --> 01:23:02,279
to be attached to substance. So oftentimes alcohol, meth amphetamine, heroin, uh, fentanyl, oxyconton,

1605
01:23:02,600 --> 01:23:06,000
every one of these types of things, even overeating, any

1606
01:23:06,039 --> 01:23:10,119
type of addictive behavior, any sort of subconscious program that's

1607
01:23:10,159 --> 01:23:13,840
going to be you know in that uh you know,

1608
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,439
when we get in that place, we're not in a

1609
01:23:15,479 --> 01:23:19,880
good place with ourselves that has that denser vibration attached

1610
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,279
to it. So oftentimes I would see entities like if

1611
01:23:22,319 --> 01:23:26,720
somebody's got victim mentality or they're like really sociopathic or psychopathic,

1612
01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:29,600
and I would see things crawling on them, like almost

1613
01:23:29,640 --> 01:23:31,960
like bugs in their in their energy fields. You could

1614
01:23:31,960 --> 01:23:34,600
see their energy in they're in or not physically, this

1615
01:23:34,760 --> 01:23:36,079
is in the energy field.

1616
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:38,159
Speaker 1: Right, So is this after they disembodied?

1617
01:23:38,359 --> 01:23:41,039
Speaker 2: No, no, no, this is a human thing, man, because

1618
01:23:41,079 --> 01:23:43,039
we have this is common when you're walking around.

1619
01:23:43,079 --> 01:23:44,920
Speaker 1: So when you're walking around, you'd be like, oh.

1620
01:23:45,079 --> 01:23:47,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I mean more people now, Like when I'm

1621
01:23:47,359 --> 01:23:49,119
out and about, it's rare to see somebody who's like

1622
01:23:49,239 --> 01:23:51,920
vibrant and healthy and happy, if you are healthy and

1623
01:23:52,000 --> 01:23:55,119
happy in today's society, that's like the ultimate act of rebellion.

1624
01:23:55,520 --> 01:23:57,319
And I see and I say a hell you out

1625
01:23:57,359 --> 01:24:00,920
of that right and live your life, maintain your power

1626
01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:04,680
and learn, learn your system, learn your energy bodies, learn

1627
01:24:04,760 --> 01:24:08,439
what your physical body needs like, start to understand what

1628
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:11,000
you're here for. Because each of us has a gift.

1629
01:24:11,119 --> 01:24:14,840
I believe you know. Not everybody's in this energy spiritual world.

1630
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,159
Not everybody's meant to be in this energy spiritual Some

1631
01:24:17,239 --> 01:24:21,560
people are like musical geniuses or mathematical geniuses. Awesome, right,

1632
01:24:21,640 --> 01:24:25,600
everybody's doing what they're doing. But nothing to fear in darkness.

1633
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:29,560
And I would have presented in when I was in

1634
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:32,960
myself destructive days, I would have presented like that I

1635
01:24:33,039 --> 01:24:34,880
had a lot of dark energy because I had a

1636
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:37,640
lot of trauma and a lot of self hatred and

1637
01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,680
a lot of despair. And that stuff shows up thick

1638
01:24:41,079 --> 01:24:43,560
in the fields. And I can see it in people's cells.

1639
01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,479
I can see it in their emotional bodies. I can

1640
01:24:45,760 --> 01:24:47,680
see it in their thought patterns, and I can track

1641
01:24:47,760 --> 01:24:51,119
it in disease processes in their bodies. And then the

1642
01:24:51,199 --> 01:24:54,319
invitation is always like, well, how's all working?

1643
01:24:54,359 --> 01:24:54,560
Speaker 1: For you.

1644
01:24:55,199 --> 01:24:58,319
Speaker 2: You're ready, do you want to like shift that? And

1645
01:24:58,600 --> 01:25:00,800
nobody finds me until it really read like nobody's ever

1646
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,479
gonna like show up because I'm not the handholding healer type.

1647
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:05,760
I'm still very much the paramedic.

1648
01:25:08,359 --> 01:25:08,760
Speaker 3: You're not that.

1649
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:13,319
Speaker 1: It's gonna be okay, it's gonna be fine. Come over here,

1650
01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:16,880
We'll have a nice little tea. You're more of the sledgehammer, Yeah,

1651
01:25:17,960 --> 01:25:18,520
get back.

1652
01:25:18,399 --> 01:25:22,680
Speaker 2: To the get or done right? Well, my, my, what

1653
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,399
I like to do now is it's like triage, overhaul, stabilize,

1654
01:25:27,279 --> 01:25:32,279
and get people there their physical like physical, mental, emotional, energetic,

1655
01:25:32,359 --> 01:25:36,520
and spiritual. Right, So we'll overhaul somebody's entire life in

1656
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:39,840
working in a session to get them reconnected to their

1657
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:43,279
power to understand like what all of this is, which

1658
01:25:43,399 --> 01:25:47,399
to me, it's an invitation, right. Maybe it's because I'm

1659
01:25:47,399 --> 01:25:49,159
where I'm from and I've been through what I've been through.

1660
01:25:49,239 --> 01:25:52,279
Maybe it's because I'm stubborn. Maybe it's because I'm gen X.

1661
01:25:52,359 --> 01:25:56,680
Maybe it's all of it, but I always what's unique

1662
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,760
about me is the willingness to time after time. I mean,

1663
01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:03,279
I have been burned to the ground so many times

1664
01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:07,359
in this life. But there's always this little ember, there's

1665
01:26:07,399 --> 01:26:11,920
always this little thing that's like keep going, well, I'm curious,

1666
01:26:12,359 --> 01:26:16,720
what was I what's the lesson? What's the invitation? How

1667
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,840
can I transmute this? How can I integrate this? And

1668
01:26:19,960 --> 01:26:23,239
it's the alchemy of spinning and integrating that and what

1669
01:26:23,439 --> 01:26:26,239
happens when we have that willingness, and that willingness is

1670
01:26:26,479 --> 01:26:30,159
absolute key because if you don't have if you're bypassing

1671
01:26:30,199 --> 01:26:32,680
the willingness and you don't want to be uncomfortable, if

1672
01:26:32,720 --> 01:26:36,119
you're bypassing the willingness and you're wanting to externalize your power,

1673
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:38,960
you're not ever going to be able to fully integrate

1674
01:26:39,119 --> 01:26:42,319
and land and own your own personal power. And I'm

1675
01:26:42,479 --> 01:26:45,520
just all about you guys. You could do it like

1676
01:26:45,600 --> 01:26:49,520
we could totally do it. And helping people understand, yeah,

1677
01:26:49,600 --> 01:26:52,279
that they have the potential to really integrate. I know

1678
01:26:52,399 --> 01:26:55,760
you've been through hard things. I know this life is Oh,

1679
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:59,800
it's a lot, right, But if you're willing to take

1680
01:27:00,119 --> 01:27:05,039
one hundred percent personal responsibility for your physical health, for

1681
01:27:05,119 --> 01:27:09,960
your emotions, for your thoughts, for your behavior patterns, and

1682
01:27:10,560 --> 01:27:17,000
challenge old paradigms, make new choices, stop blaming and being outraged. Please,

1683
01:27:17,159 --> 01:27:19,399
I see all the time in the world of empaths

1684
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:21,840
and high sense perception. I mean, these guys are my people,

1685
01:27:22,239 --> 01:27:25,920
and there's tremendous victim culture. I'm so sensitive. I can't function.

1686
01:27:26,560 --> 01:27:28,640
I spend a long time there. I can't go out.

1687
01:27:28,680 --> 01:27:30,840
I can't go in the crowd. I can't. It's so much,

1688
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:34,600
it's too intense. I can't And that doesn't serve us ultimately,

1689
01:27:35,039 --> 01:27:38,600
because we are here, the humanity is shifting. Obviously, We're

1690
01:27:38,640 --> 01:27:41,960
having a lot's happening in the world. I really believe

1691
01:27:42,039 --> 01:27:44,439
that the more that we own our own power and

1692
01:27:44,600 --> 01:27:47,600
buck the system and have fun and be healthy and

1693
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:53,840
be powerfully grounded in our gifts, that assists this evolution

1694
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:54,680
of consciousness.

1695
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:56,720
Speaker 1: But with that said, though, I mean, like for me,

1696
01:27:56,920 --> 01:28:01,640
I'm fairly sensitive. I don't partake like large crowds. I

1697
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:05,079
don't like concerts that kind of stuff. I'm not like

1698
01:28:05,239 --> 01:28:09,159
I'll go, but I'm you know, I'm gonna be like

1699
01:28:09,239 --> 01:28:14,119
the kind of thing, so I kind of mentally protect

1700
01:28:14,199 --> 01:28:16,760
myself and I you know, put a little you know,

1701
01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:18,199
white light.

1702
01:28:18,640 --> 01:28:19,520
Speaker 2: Can I give you tools?

1703
01:28:20,319 --> 01:28:22,079
Speaker 1: Okay? Well, first of all, before you give me tools,

1704
01:28:23,119 --> 01:28:25,479
let's get into this before you, Before you want to

1705
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:27,439
go out. So before you give me the tools, I

1706
01:28:27,439 --> 01:28:28,920
would love to hear these tools, because I'm sure the

1707
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,000
audience would like to hear these tools. I have to

1708
01:28:31,039 --> 01:28:33,560
ask you what it's because I don't I don't think

1709
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:35,960
I've had maybe once or twice in the whole time

1710
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:38,319
i've been doing this, I've had someone read my aura.

1711
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,680
Can you do you mind reading me as an example

1712
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:42,800
and then give us a tool?

1713
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:45,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. So typically when I'm looking at somebody,

1714
01:28:45,760 --> 01:28:47,520
we're going to start from the outer layers and work

1715
01:28:47,560 --> 01:28:49,880
our way in. And so for you, obviously your crown

1716
01:28:49,960 --> 01:28:50,840
chaka is very open.

1717
01:28:50,880 --> 01:28:51,560
Speaker 1: What does that look like?

1718
01:28:51,680 --> 01:28:53,319
Speaker 2: It's a cascade for you, It's going to be a

1719
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:57,840
very beautiful golden mixed with purple energy, and it's wide

1720
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,319
like a crown. You've got a spiral coming down. You've

1721
01:29:00,359 --> 01:29:04,159
got very synthesized, streamlined mental body energy. What that means

1722
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:09,439
is you're intelligent and you're good at linear thinking and execution.

1723
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,439
So what that looks like is ticker tape algorithms like

1724
01:29:12,520 --> 01:29:16,520
the matrix. Remember Greens, my favorite movie. So start up

1725
01:29:16,560 --> 01:29:18,600
here at the crown. We were open here because you're

1726
01:29:18,600 --> 01:29:21,520
open minded, you're grounded too, those of you're analyticals. So

1727
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:24,520
you've got this really beautiful blend between left and right brained.

1728
01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:27,520
The energy is synthesizing down through third eye and then

1729
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,399
coming down into throats, so you have this really beautiful

1730
01:29:30,439 --> 01:29:33,159
open cascade here. You're open hearted, yet at the same

1731
01:29:33,239 --> 01:29:34,039
time a little like.

1732
01:29:34,640 --> 01:29:36,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, we'll suss ye out.

1733
01:29:36,319 --> 01:29:39,159
Speaker 2: So you're not just like, yes, peace in love everybody.

1734
01:29:40,399 --> 01:29:43,680
I'm not that very energetically open, but just sus it out,

1735
01:29:43,720 --> 01:29:47,399
which I appreciate because I really like grounded and I

1736
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:50,880
appreciate people who are skeptical. I appreciate people who want

1737
01:29:51,159 --> 01:29:53,680
kind of like, let's land this stuff, let's make it

1738
01:29:53,800 --> 01:29:58,039
make sense, right, And so we're starting there, and then

1739
01:29:58,079 --> 01:30:01,720
we would go into We've got orange coming out around

1740
01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,319
the shoulders. We've got some tightness and stiffness in the

1741
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:06,359
back of the neck and shoulders pulling a little bit

1742
01:30:06,399 --> 01:30:08,920
here between the shoulder blades, a little bit of holding

1743
01:30:09,000 --> 01:30:11,840
up here under the diaphragm. And so that's just kind

1744
01:30:11,880 --> 01:30:15,159
of you're ruminating over things, you're creating things, You're gonna

1745
01:30:15,199 --> 01:30:17,560
build things, but you're gonna you still got a lot

1746
01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:20,079
to process in terms of all of this expansion that

1747
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:21,840
wants to come out, and you're like, yeah, but I'm

1748
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:23,520
a human and I still get a balance all this stuff.

1749
01:30:23,560 --> 01:30:25,640
So this is being pulled here under the diaphragm, which

1750
01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:27,319
just pulling up the neck on the shoulders and wants

1751
01:30:27,359 --> 01:30:32,199
to come here. Root is root, and pelvis are quite open,

1752
01:30:32,279 --> 01:30:35,239
quite grounded, just in terms of you're grounded, you're running

1753
01:30:35,239 --> 01:30:38,600
and synthesizing your energy. So I'm seeing gold, I'm seeing purple,

1754
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:41,119
I'm seeing orange. There's the green ticker tape and what

1755
01:30:41,279 --> 01:30:41,960
it looks like.

1756
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:46,359
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

1757
01:30:50,000 --> 01:30:51,239
and now back to the show.

1758
01:30:53,319 --> 01:30:57,119
Speaker 2: The ore is not one color, you guys. It's Russian

1759
01:30:57,279 --> 01:31:01,119
nesting dolls, right, And each layer of the field has

1760
01:31:01,159 --> 01:31:03,680
a whole bunch of different data and information, so it's

1761
01:31:03,760 --> 01:31:06,359
always moving around. Now, if I was to touch you,

1762
01:31:06,720 --> 01:31:09,000
or if we were to actually deep dive into a session,

1763
01:31:09,079 --> 01:31:12,840
then I could trace back into like each organ system

1764
01:31:13,319 --> 01:31:17,520
and find any imbalance, any areas of holding shame, and

1765
01:31:17,560 --> 01:31:20,359
then we would look at physical, mental, emotional, energetic, and

1766
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:23,479
spiritual ways to integrate and become that's awesome.

1767
01:31:24,199 --> 01:31:28,359
Speaker 1: So that's that's mine. And then what are some examples

1768
01:31:28,399 --> 01:31:30,920
of other kind of orc So like I'm open, so

1769
01:31:31,079 --> 01:31:34,439
you're open, but others are closed.

1770
01:31:34,680 --> 01:31:36,319
Speaker 2: Some people are super close. You know, what most people

1771
01:31:36,399 --> 01:31:40,640
look like are going to be bobbleheads. So because everybody's

1772
01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:43,479
in their head and they're so anxious, and everybody's so

1773
01:31:43,680 --> 01:31:46,000
amped all the time, and there's so much like cortisol

1774
01:31:46,079 --> 01:31:49,199
and stress and everybody's systems like they're in war zone

1775
01:31:49,199 --> 01:31:52,439
all the time. So they're overthinking. They're constantly being bombarded

1776
01:31:52,479 --> 01:31:55,920
and stimulated. So it's like a bobblehead of information that

1777
01:31:56,079 --> 01:31:57,960
cuts off here at the occiput at the back of

1778
01:31:58,039 --> 01:32:01,319
the neck, and they're disconnected from their heart. They're disconnected

1779
01:32:01,359 --> 01:32:04,199
from their own personal power and truth. And so I

1780
01:32:04,319 --> 01:32:07,359
oftentimes see people forward leaning because we're in a very driven,

1781
01:32:07,479 --> 01:32:10,359
motivated society. You can never ever stop, you can never stop,

1782
01:32:10,720 --> 01:32:13,800
and so it looks like a hypertrophy. So hypertrophy is

1783
01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:16,800
swelling and it becomes the oric field becomes like a

1784
01:32:16,920 --> 01:32:20,880
flat tire. Okay, so most people go forward and then

1785
01:32:21,119 --> 01:32:24,359
they're top heavy and forward leaning. Now what happens there.

1786
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:29,399
We can have sleep interruption, insomnia, emotional distress. We can

1787
01:32:29,479 --> 01:32:33,399
be disassociated and a lot of times what I'm seeing

1788
01:32:33,439 --> 01:32:36,760
with people. We have two general categories. Now there's going

1789
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:38,720
to be a lot of crossover, but we have a

1790
01:32:38,800 --> 01:32:47,520
ton of people who are exhausted, super depleted, apathetic, just sluggish,

1791
01:32:47,680 --> 01:32:50,319
like say, like they weigh weigh a thousand pounds, so

1792
01:32:50,479 --> 01:32:54,199
their fields are saturated and looks like gray clay, and

1793
01:32:54,279 --> 01:32:56,520
it's just heavy and bogged down, and it's like they

1794
01:32:56,760 --> 01:33:00,760
try but they can't like really get it, and so

1795
01:33:01,119 --> 01:33:04,039
that could be oftentimes I see is what I call

1796
01:33:04,079 --> 01:33:06,560
an undiagnosed and path. They don't know they're taking on

1797
01:33:06,680 --> 01:33:11,239
and holding everybody else's stuff, right, And so it's really

1798
01:33:11,279 --> 01:33:14,520
easy to release and integrate that if you know how

1799
01:33:14,560 --> 01:33:16,119
to do it. But then we have to It's not

1800
01:33:16,399 --> 01:33:18,520
just about the energetics, you guys. We have to hit

1801
01:33:18,680 --> 01:33:23,760
all layers, every single level matters physical, mental, emotional, energetic,

1802
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:28,199
and spiritual. All they're all correlated. And so we can

1803
01:33:28,279 --> 01:33:31,319
come to a clearing and we have to understand, Okay,

1804
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:35,119
balance hormones, get yourself hydrated, balance the gut biome, make

1805
01:33:35,159 --> 01:33:38,159
sure that the adrenals and the endocrine system are dialed in.

1806
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:41,439
What are your beliefs? How you doing? You got paraslites

1807
01:33:41,439 --> 01:33:42,920
like where are we at with your physical and then

1808
01:33:42,960 --> 01:33:45,520
what are your belief structures? Are you addicted to processing?

1809
01:33:45,560 --> 01:33:48,520
Are you addicted to intensity? Are you addicted to and

1810
01:33:48,680 --> 01:33:51,840
are you willing then to shift into a different way

1811
01:33:51,880 --> 01:33:52,680
of being right?

1812
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 1: And can you talk because obviously you're very fit and

1813
01:33:56,319 --> 01:33:58,079
you said you've worked out a lot and you take

1814
01:33:58,119 --> 01:33:59,520
care of yourself and you've been doing this for a

1815
01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:02,439
long time. What's the energetic of the foods?

1816
01:34:02,920 --> 01:34:03,039
Speaker 3: Oh?

1817
01:34:03,159 --> 01:34:05,920
Speaker 1: God, can we talk just dive in a little bit

1818
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:08,920
on that, because it's something so important that people in

1819
01:34:09,039 --> 01:34:11,399
the spiritual community don't get.

1820
01:34:11,680 --> 01:34:11,880
Speaker 2: Yeh.

1821
01:34:12,399 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 1: In concept, You're like, you should be eating stuff from

1822
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:17,279
Mother Earth and you should be doing and I've seen

1823
01:34:17,359 --> 01:34:20,359
all of that, but most don't and they don't understand.

1824
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:23,399
They're like, why can't I meditate? Well, maybe because you're

1825
01:34:23,439 --> 01:34:25,960
hopped up on caffeine all day, yeah, or maybe you're

1826
01:34:25,960 --> 01:34:28,000
taking forty Red bulls a day or something like that.

1827
01:34:28,600 --> 01:34:31,960
So what are the energetics that you see in foods?

1828
01:34:32,479 --> 01:34:35,560
And how does it affect not only your body, but

1829
01:34:35,720 --> 01:34:38,640
your ability to connect with spirit, to connect with yourself,

1830
01:34:38,720 --> 01:34:40,960
connect with your own power to function.

1831
01:34:41,199 --> 01:34:44,279
Speaker 2: Oh, it's such a huge thing. So few food as

1832
01:34:44,439 --> 01:34:47,520
fuel let medicine like, let them food be thy medicine,

1833
01:34:48,119 --> 01:34:52,279
thy medicine. Now we are living in a toxic environment

1834
01:34:52,560 --> 01:34:56,399
and this is just what is from from top to bottom. Okay,

1835
01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:02,720
every close the food, the water. Now we can scream

1836
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:05,840
and stomp and tantum around about how terrible it is,

1837
01:35:06,439 --> 01:35:08,920
and we can pull our power back and say what

1838
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:10,600
am I going to do about it? Okay?

1839
01:35:11,359 --> 01:35:13,319
Speaker 1: Each our food is not food.

1840
01:35:13,399 --> 01:35:17,000
Speaker 2: Our food is like food like substance. We're eating microplastics,

1841
01:35:17,039 --> 01:35:19,840
we are having fluoridated water. We are like, this is

1842
01:35:19,920 --> 01:35:25,399
a real thing, and most Americans are riddled with parasites,

1843
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,560
heavy metals. Don't know it right, We're not taught about it.

1844
01:35:28,640 --> 01:35:31,479
We're not educated about it. So even if you're eating

1845
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:34,359
what you think is organic, it's still been sprayed by something.

1846
01:35:34,560 --> 01:35:37,479
Or we have the trails and the different things going

1847
01:35:37,560 --> 01:35:42,640
on in the atmosphere. So the soil itself is lacking nutrients.

1848
01:35:42,720 --> 01:35:45,079
And we're pretty far down the chain in terms of

1849
01:35:45,399 --> 01:35:49,039
anything actually having a tremendous amount of praana. It does exist,

1850
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:53,520
And for you, it's about for each individual. You, guys,

1851
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:57,119
there's no right way for each person. Everybody's different, right,

1852
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:01,279
So if some vegan works for somebody, it might not

1853
01:36:01,439 --> 01:36:04,479
work for somebody else. My system needs more like Paleo

1854
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:08,439
or Mediterranean. I need bats and good proteins and a

1855
01:36:08,520 --> 01:36:11,039
lot of you know, things to anchor me. Otherwise I

1856
01:36:11,159 --> 01:36:14,199
float away like a helium balloon with all of this stimulus.

1857
01:36:15,239 --> 01:36:19,039
Taking that self responsibility. Understand that most people are chronically dehydrated.

1858
01:36:19,119 --> 01:36:24,039
Chronic dehydration leads to lethargy, apathy, like limp system coagulation.

1859
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,239
Everything is interconnected. So we want to start in the

1860
01:36:27,319 --> 01:36:31,159
easiest possible way. Just drink more water, add some lemon

1861
01:36:31,239 --> 01:36:33,760
water to it, or electrolytes to it. Just drink more water,

1862
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:36,920
pink salt, well something, yeah, well some something, well something something.

1863
01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:39,920
Go outside and sit in the sun for ten minutes,

1864
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:42,560
like just get a little bit of vitamin D. Right,

1865
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So we're going to start super basic paramedic protocols. Man,

1866
01:36:45,720 --> 01:36:47,760
We've got to make this stuff like easy and applicable

1867
01:36:47,800 --> 01:36:49,399
and free so that you can do it, you know,

1868
01:36:49,600 --> 01:36:54,600
for yourself when you're feeling low. The world is what

1869
01:36:54,760 --> 01:36:58,600
it is, and we can still retain our power and say, Okay,

1870
01:36:58,640 --> 01:37:01,359
I'm going to figure out what my system needs and

1871
01:37:01,680 --> 01:37:04,239
what works for my system. So that I can still thrive,

1872
01:37:04,439 --> 01:37:08,800
because thriving as humans and thriving as sensitive humans is possible.

1873
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:11,960
And again, I'm all about buck the system, man, right,

1874
01:37:12,039 --> 01:37:16,079
I'm all about like, yeah, to be healthy, to be happy,

1875
01:37:16,159 --> 01:37:18,640
to feel good in your body, ultimate active rebellion to

1876
01:37:18,760 --> 01:37:19,520
meet that success.

1877
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Speaker 1: So when you see ultra processed foods versus a whole food, yeah, energetically, it's.

1878
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:31,119
Speaker 2: Just it's essentially like gray, very slow moving like that.

1879
01:37:31,279 --> 01:37:37,680
The energy is something, it's very very low charged energy.

1880
01:37:37,760 --> 01:37:40,359
It's going to be a darker or more slow moving

1881
01:37:40,479 --> 01:37:44,880
charge with no like vitality. Vitality is moving energy. Vitality

1882
01:37:45,000 --> 01:37:47,159
is going to be a brighter sitting water versus moving water.

1883
01:37:47,239 --> 01:37:47,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

1884
01:37:48,119 --> 01:37:53,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's perfect analogy. Okay, so we'll start with hydration.

1885
01:37:53,359 --> 01:37:55,439
Go get some sun, Just move your body, go walk

1886
01:37:55,439 --> 01:37:57,640
around the block, you know, just little things. Start with

1887
01:37:57,720 --> 01:38:01,399
the basic things. And then if you can, I used

1888
01:38:01,439 --> 01:38:03,199
to you know, eat all the fast food kind of

1889
01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:05,960
stuff over time. I mean, this is real. Let's be real,

1890
01:38:06,159 --> 01:38:06,520
like we do.

1891
01:38:06,600 --> 01:38:09,239
Speaker 1: What we do is a paramedic. Yeah, I mean you

1892
01:38:09,279 --> 01:38:11,479
don't have time to you know, I need to make

1893
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:18,039
my whole, my organic thing a thing.

1894
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:22,800
Speaker 2: No, and it's about like, okay, personal responsibility, figuring out

1895
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:25,680
what works for your system and then dialing in and

1896
01:38:25,800 --> 01:38:28,920
being like, oh, maybe you're severely constipated or have g

1897
01:38:29,039 --> 01:38:32,039
I chronic GI issues like Chrohn's disease or IBS, or

1898
01:38:32,079 --> 01:38:35,880
we have leaky gut syndrome and that flares into autoimmune

1899
01:38:36,560 --> 01:38:40,600
things in line, all kinds of stuff. But it's all interconnected,

1900
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:42,560
all right, And so we always want to start with

1901
01:38:42,640 --> 01:38:44,640
like the least invasive and then work your way up

1902
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:47,399
into a more advanced protocol. So always start where you

1903
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:52,159
are and then figure out like, yeah, actually my system

1904
01:38:52,279 --> 01:38:55,520
does need you know, good meats or heavier fats, or

1905
01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:57,800
maybe some people are like no, I do really a

1906
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:01,680
lot better on Just plant plants and find what really

1907
01:39:01,800 --> 01:39:05,520
genuinely feels good to you. From there, clear out the GI.

1908
01:39:06,039 --> 01:39:09,479
Clear out your GI. You guys, very very important to understand.

1909
01:39:09,680 --> 01:39:13,479
Just do some research. The gut biome. The microbiome is

1910
01:39:13,520 --> 01:39:15,960
the second brain of the body, and it literally feeds

1911
01:39:16,079 --> 01:39:19,920
every single organ. And if you aren't recognizing that you

1912
01:39:20,039 --> 01:39:22,760
have parasites or heavy metal toxicity or things like that,

1913
01:39:23,439 --> 01:39:25,680
your whole system is going to be balked. So it

1914
01:39:25,720 --> 01:39:28,479
doesn't matter how much organic food you're eating, right, because

1915
01:39:28,479 --> 01:39:30,960
it's not going to be processing through the system.

1916
01:39:31,079 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 1: That's the thing people don't understand, Like if they don't

1917
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:35,279
take care of the machine that's running it, like processing

1918
01:39:35,359 --> 01:39:39,319
this food. You could eat the best most energetic food

1919
01:39:39,319 --> 01:39:40,560
in the world, but your body can't.

1920
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Speaker 2: You can't absorb it, and so that's kind of the whole.

1921
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Speaker 1: It's like putting high octane in a really crappy engine exactly.

1922
01:39:47,680 --> 01:39:49,640
The engine's been like you've been beating this engine with

1923
01:39:50,159 --> 01:39:53,239
low you haven't changed the oil and fifty thousand miles

1924
01:39:53,640 --> 01:39:56,359
and you're putting ultraprime gas and you're like, why isn't

1925
01:39:56,399 --> 01:39:59,399
this working totally wrong? The engine? You have to prime

1926
01:39:59,439 --> 01:39:59,880
the engine.

1927
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:01,720
Speaker 2: I'm the engine now. One of the other things I

1928
01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:04,560
see oftentimes in the spiritual community is wanting to be

1929
01:40:04,720 --> 01:40:08,279
out of body, not really focusing on being in the body.

1930
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So there's a lot of ascension, visualization, meditation like up

1931
01:40:11,960 --> 01:40:13,279
and out. I'm going to go up and out so

1932
01:40:13,319 --> 01:40:15,800
I can feel better. Okay, cool, I get that. And

1933
01:40:16,039 --> 01:40:17,800
we're here. We're in a body. You're in a body,

1934
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you're humans, So we got to like be in the body.

1935
01:40:20,880 --> 01:40:23,319
And the more willing we are to be grounded in

1936
01:40:23,399 --> 01:40:25,920
the body and again take it's you bring back the

1937
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:29,640
power and it's that willingness. A lot of sensitives don't

1938
01:40:29,640 --> 01:40:32,039
want to be in their bodies because it's a lot dude,

1939
01:40:32,079 --> 01:40:34,319
I get it. I've lived it forever. It's like this

1940
01:40:34,600 --> 01:40:38,680
constant stimulus bombardment. So the last thing, like when I

1941
01:40:38,960 --> 01:40:43,159
started my process, I've done twenty five years now of

1942
01:40:43,239 --> 01:40:48,279
somatic trauma therapy and processing and integrating and plant. That

1943
01:40:48,479 --> 01:40:51,960
is all the things facing myself over and over and over,

1944
01:40:52,119 --> 01:40:54,520
and every single time I would be circled back to

1945
01:40:54,720 --> 01:40:59,079
just be in your body, feel it, regulate your nervous system,

1946
01:40:59,399 --> 01:41:02,640
be present with what is, and then you make new choices. Right,

1947
01:41:03,239 --> 01:41:05,560
so as you're feeling better, you're you're willing to be

1948
01:41:05,640 --> 01:41:10,399
in your body and do the basic things. Hydrate, eat

1949
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:14,600
cleaner foods, less GMO if possible, less you know, processed

1950
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:17,359
food if possible, But just get out and move your

1951
01:41:17,359 --> 01:41:19,279
body and hydrate and get in the sun. Just those

1952
01:41:19,319 --> 01:41:20,720
things are going to make you feel better. Then you

1953
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:23,960
figure out supplement wise, and then you get into managing

1954
01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,680
gut biome through all the ways that there are, and

1955
01:41:27,720 --> 01:41:30,439
you're going to really start kicking in. The reason that's

1956
01:41:30,439 --> 01:41:33,159
so important is because the more willing you are to

1957
01:41:33,239 --> 01:41:35,680
be powerful in your body, the more willing, the more

1958
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:38,760
powerful you can be in your energetics, in your gifts.

1959
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Speaker 1: And that's the thing that people don't get.

1960
01:41:40,640 --> 01:41:43,279
Speaker 2: And I know it makes me no one Bananda sandwich

1961
01:41:43,319 --> 01:41:45,640
because I'm like, you guys, down and in, down and in.

1962
01:41:45,760 --> 01:41:48,760
They're like, no ascension five D eleven D. I'm like, cool,

1963
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:51,640
but down and in. We're here right now, we're having

1964
01:41:51,680 --> 01:41:53,800
a human experience. Do you want to own this? Do

1965
01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:56,399
you want to be this? I get that you being

1966
01:41:56,520 --> 01:41:58,880
human is limited, and there's a lot of contrast, and

1967
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:01,760
people don't unnecessary understand and a lot of sensitives just

1968
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:04,720
don't resonate. We don't feel like we fit here, we

1969
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:07,359
don't feel like they necessarily belong with other humans. So

1970
01:42:07,439 --> 01:42:08,800
it's easier to want to go out.

1971
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Speaker 1: And in the East, I mean even in the Vedic

1972
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:14,760
traditions and those things they're talking about prana, they talk

1973
01:42:14,800 --> 01:42:18,439
about the food and ire Vedic and all of that stuff.

1974
01:42:18,439 --> 01:42:20,399
So they understood that there needed to be a balance

1975
01:42:20,920 --> 01:42:22,560
with all of it. But a lot of the New

1976
01:42:22,600 --> 01:42:25,640
Age movement does not talk about it. It's something that

1977
01:42:26,399 --> 01:42:28,600
it's something that needs to be spoken about a lot

1978
01:42:28,720 --> 01:42:32,159
more because it's you know, you can meditate all day,

1979
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:35,920
but you go out, you know, fast food, yeah, and

1980
01:42:36,039 --> 01:42:39,840
then meditate. I'm like, I'm meditating. I can't it's not working.

1981
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:42,920
I'm like, well, maybe because you're not taking care of

1982
01:42:43,279 --> 01:42:43,760
the vehicle.

1983
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Speaker 2: They are in totally you know what I mean. Yeah,

1984
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:48,640
and you can't visualize parasites way Sorry, guys, we actually

1985
01:42:48,720 --> 01:42:49,560
have to detox those.

1986
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:51,680
Speaker 1: You know, it's not just.

1987
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:55,800
Speaker 2: About like that visualization or meditation. It's embodying, it's being,

1988
01:42:56,359 --> 01:42:59,279
and that's coming to terms with you. You got to

1989
01:42:59,279 --> 01:43:02,760
get real with you, and that's that's the that's the CRUs,

1990
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:03,880
that's everything.

1991
01:43:04,079 --> 01:43:05,640
Speaker 1: You have to get real with you in every aspect

1992
01:43:05,680 --> 01:43:08,680
of your life, not just food, not just spiritual, not

1993
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:11,960
just mental or trauma. You've got to look yourself in

1994
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:13,800
the mirror in all aspects of your life. And most

1995
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:16,960
people do not want to do that because that's it's scary,

1996
01:43:17,159 --> 01:43:21,960
it's scary, and it's it's unpleasant. Yeah, but for someone

1997
01:43:22,079 --> 01:43:27,439
like yourself who's gone through so much unpleasant, so much so,

1998
01:43:27,960 --> 01:43:30,720
that muscle is so strong within you. You're like, yeah,

1999
01:43:30,720 --> 01:43:32,760
that's what I do. I just I just do that

2000
01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,520
because I'm just that's that's my happy place is to be.

2001
01:43:36,399 --> 01:43:39,239
Speaker 2: It is becoming. I used to think there was something

2002
01:43:39,319 --> 01:43:43,319
wrong with being uncomfortable and comfortable. You have to learn

2003
01:43:43,399 --> 01:43:46,279
to be comfortable with being uncomfortable. It's not that or

2004
01:43:46,359 --> 01:43:51,119
wrong if you're uncomfortable. The question is always like what

2005
01:43:51,279 --> 01:43:52,399
is this bringing up within me?

2006
01:43:52,840 --> 01:43:53,000
Speaker 1: Right?

2007
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:57,119
Speaker 2: And the key takeaway to everybody who's watching this is

2008
01:43:57,720 --> 01:44:00,920
really the willingness. The more willing you are to just

2009
01:44:01,119 --> 01:44:04,239
one be authentic with who you are, be true to me.

2010
01:44:04,479 --> 01:44:09,199
The most spiritual thing you can possibly do is be real,

2011
01:44:09,680 --> 01:44:14,680
be authentic. Absolutely, can we get out high fiving and

2012
01:44:15,359 --> 01:44:20,119
just be you and accept yourself as human and the

2013
01:44:20,319 --> 01:44:23,800
spiritual construct of I need to be a certain way

2014
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:27,399
and always happy and flowing and etheric, and it's it's

2015
01:44:27,479 --> 01:44:31,840
a construct. That's not the reality. You don't You're not etheric.

2016
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:33,800
If you get out of bed two in the morning

2017
01:44:33,920 --> 01:44:35,800
to go pee and you step your toe like you know,

2018
01:44:35,960 --> 01:44:39,359
that's real. We have reactions and we have contrasts, and

2019
01:44:39,760 --> 01:44:42,159
being okay with who and how you are, being okay

2020
01:44:42,279 --> 01:44:46,079
with your sensitivities, being okay with your past history being

2021
01:44:46,119 --> 01:44:49,720
okay with challenges looking at how did I recreate that?

2022
01:44:50,239 --> 01:44:51,199
Speaker 1: What did I get? Why?

2023
01:44:51,319 --> 01:44:53,239
Speaker 2: Why did that cycle back in? Why do I attract

2024
01:44:53,279 --> 01:44:57,840
another one of those dudes like or whatever is? Can

2025
01:44:57,880 --> 01:45:01,439
we stop caretaking men or when men or whatever and

2026
01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:02,479
men don't care?

2027
01:45:03,319 --> 01:45:06,039
Speaker 1: That's okay, okay, okay, I know you were. You were

2028
01:45:06,119 --> 01:45:08,920
trying to be inclusive, and I appreciate that. But I've

2029
01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:10,439
never met a dude like you know what. I think

2030
01:45:10,479 --> 01:45:12,720
I can change that girl. I think I need to

2031
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:16,079
nurture her. That's not that's not a male trait and

2032
01:45:16,159 --> 01:45:20,239
she generally listen, listen, I was raised with women. I'm

2033
01:45:20,239 --> 01:45:22,840
surrounded by women all the time. I get it, and

2034
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:25,439
even I am not like I must nurture this. But no,

2035
01:45:25,760 --> 01:45:28,800
it's not a male energy and it needs to be

2036
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:32,760
balanced because the male energy is like drives yea and

2037
01:45:32,880 --> 01:45:37,439
the female energy just like we need that, Yes, we do,

2038
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:43,239
we need both. Yeah, we'll be right back after a

2039
01:45:43,319 --> 01:45:49,239
word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.

2040
01:45:51,119 --> 01:45:52,720
I think more of this one right here. The women

2041
01:45:52,800 --> 01:45:55,439
want a little bit more feminine, divine feminine energies is

2042
01:45:55,560 --> 01:45:57,840
needed more because we got a lot of this. We

2043
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:01,399
do the world right now before we finish up. I

2044
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:08,319
have to because I promised to ask psychedelics. So plant medicine,

2045
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:14,640
what the hell did you see? Because you're open already? Yeah,

2046
01:46:15,000 --> 01:46:18,720
So was it a slower ramping in because form I

2047
01:46:18,760 --> 01:46:21,039
to understand plant medicine. I've never taken any plant medicine,

2048
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:25,680
but everyone I've spoken to have. It's like a rocket ship,

2049
01:46:25,800 --> 01:46:29,840
especially if you're not initiated or ready. It's a rocket ship,

2050
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:32,199
like you go from zero to a thousand like that,

2051
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:36,079
and most psyches can't handle that, have an issue with that.

2052
01:46:36,479 --> 01:46:40,479
But you were more open about it, like you've seen

2053
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:44,119
stuff experience. So it was it an easier ramp up.

2054
01:46:44,239 --> 01:46:46,279
Speaker 2: Into Well, it was just a bigger version of what

2055
01:46:46,359 --> 01:46:48,439
I deal with every day for me, right, And so

2056
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:51,720
wasn't as daring. Yeah, it wasn't as drawing. And okay,

2057
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:53,399
so I was in that world. I was in the

2058
01:46:53,439 --> 01:46:55,880
scene for about five years and it's become a very

2059
01:46:56,199 --> 01:46:58,760
popular It's like I got my spiritual merit badge. Right,

2060
01:46:58,840 --> 01:47:03,279
I've done whatever Alaska and Bufo and like combo and

2061
01:47:03,359 --> 01:47:07,199
all the things. Now there are very profound and powerful

2062
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:13,319
applications for these. Please only do plant medicines. If one,

2063
01:47:13,520 --> 01:47:17,439
you get a solid internal yes, if there's any hesitation,

2064
01:47:17,640 --> 01:47:20,920
if there's any wavering, don't do it. You're not ready. Two,

2065
01:47:21,600 --> 01:47:24,760
everybody and their mom is running around pouring ayahuasca and

2066
01:47:24,840 --> 01:47:26,880
plant medicines right now. They went down. They got some

2067
01:47:27,119 --> 01:47:30,039
shaman pants in Peru. After a two week initiation, they

2068
01:47:30,079 --> 01:47:32,520
came back and claimed that they are like whatever, and

2069
01:47:32,600 --> 01:47:36,319
these people are running like eighty people ceremonies in warehouses

2070
01:47:36,359 --> 01:47:36,760
and stuff.

2071
01:47:36,800 --> 01:47:42,159
Speaker 1: It's insane with you in van eyes, yeah, but everywhere.

2072
01:47:42,279 --> 01:47:45,399
Don't take ayahuasca in La. I'm so sorry. I'm sure

2073
01:47:45,439 --> 01:47:47,680
there's some price, some good shamans. I'm sure there's a

2074
01:47:47,720 --> 01:47:48,960
shaman version these you guys.

2075
01:47:49,119 --> 01:47:53,079
Speaker 2: Just all of these things are just adjuncts, okay. But

2076
01:47:53,199 --> 01:47:56,960
it's the bullet train. So if your foundation is not set,

2077
01:47:57,159 --> 01:48:00,680
if you don't have a good self connection, not grounded

2078
01:48:00,760 --> 01:48:04,319
in your body, if you're you know, on a very

2079
01:48:04,800 --> 01:48:07,479
down that precipice of trauma integration, but you're not sure

2080
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:10,800
which way it's going to go, it can do more

2081
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:14,279
harm than good. Okay. So in any I've done.

2082
01:48:14,119 --> 01:48:14,520
Speaker 4: All of them.

2083
01:48:14,600 --> 01:48:20,520
Speaker 2: Myahuasca five A MEO d MT DMT mescalin combo. I

2084
01:48:20,640 --> 01:48:22,560
begin all of these things, and I like that I

2085
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:24,920
have done that because I can speak to them in

2086
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:27,520
first hand experiences. What I learned in all of that

2087
01:48:27,800 --> 01:48:30,239
is that all it does is it opens you up

2088
01:48:30,520 --> 01:48:33,439
to the higher consciousness. You have some insights. Yes, sometimes

2089
01:48:33,520 --> 01:48:37,560
we purge, sometimes we release. You come back and guess.

2090
01:48:37,359 --> 01:48:39,640
Speaker 1: What, You're still you.

2091
01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:42,800
Speaker 2: You're still you, And it's all about integration. So what

2092
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:44,840
I've seen is that it's become a very hip and

2093
01:48:44,920 --> 01:48:48,000
popular scene and a lot of people are wanting that

2094
01:48:48,159 --> 01:48:50,960
as the magic bullet or the magic ride, like I'm

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going to go do this and then I'll be fixed.

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Now rubber meets the road, guys, it's back to square one.

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And then you then you're dealing with what did I

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just experience? What did I just see? How do I

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deal with that? Where do I put that? When I

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got to go back to my cubicle and deal with

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my boss who's annoying, Like we come back. It's all

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about integration. Plant medicine work in today's culture, it's all

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about integration. It's all about what you do with it.

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Speaker 1: And if you get that sense of like, oh I

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must not have got it.

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Speaker 2: I got to go back. I got to do more.

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I got to do more.

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Speaker 1: I got to do more rides.

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Speaker 2: And then what we're seeing is just it's addictive tendency,

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but it's.

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Speaker 1: Another way of numbing this. Like I don't want to

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be here. I want to go somewhere. I want to

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go home.

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Speaker 2: I want to go home. I'd rather be home. And

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I understand that, you guys, but we are always higher

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consciousness for all of eternity. We came here for the

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specific reason to have your human experience. This is a

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tiny fragment of time. It can dry, it it can

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really dry, and it can seem like an eternity, but

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it is over in a second, so we will always

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go back.

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Speaker 1: So what was the craziest thing you saw in any

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of those experiences.

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Speaker 2: There isn't anything that I didn't see in the way

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of face to face with every deity, every ascended master,

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every dark realm, every hell realm. I've been through all

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of the things. And Ayahuasca is grandmother. She's very light

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dark and so that was a lot of my trauma integration.

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I came face to face with my mother. I needed

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to come face to face with my mother and like

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hash out some stuff. So mescaline is going to be grandfather.

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It's going to be more of like plant healing, earth healing,

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and it was a lot of a gentler ride. So

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each of these ones have very specific applications. What I

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would advocate for you if you're thinking about doing it, First,

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get a solid internal yes. Second, research really good viable resources.

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MDMA assisted trauma therapy is doing wonders, combats responders. It

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is legit, all right, So you can find agencies that

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are like, we're the psilocybin, all of these things. It's

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it's opening. The field is opening, thank goodness. And always

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ask the providers, ask questions, how long have you been

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doing this? You know, find real people, find real people

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that really truly know. Don't just do it because your

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best friend Jamie wants to go.

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Speaker 1: It's Friday night. There's going to be a ayahuasca ceremony

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in Van Nye or up in the hills. Yeah, and

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then you show up and there's a bunch of you know.

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Speaker 2: Because what happens, You're going to go, You're gonna have

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whatever experience you're gonna have. Okay, then you're going to

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come back into your body and you'd be like, whoa Okay,

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that was the thing. Now what I'm experiencing in my practice,

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and people seek me out for all kinds of things.

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But like I get a lot of people that blow

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out disregulate their nervous system and they have full sight

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breaks or close to psyche breaks. So then we induce

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like tremors or insomnia or night tererers or anxiety. These

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are very potent tools and so just use them accordingly. Yeah,

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that's what I said.

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Speaker 1: This is nuts.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what I did, honestly. So I'm

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grateful that I did all of it, and my biggest

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takeaway is that I didn't need to do all of that.

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I liked the experiences. I like being able to speak

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firsthand about the experiences. I like being helped people to

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help people integrate those experiences. But my most powerful has

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been when I'm just willing to sit in my body

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and feel it.

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Speaker 1: Sarah, where can people find out more about you and

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the amazing work you're doing? And pick up a copy

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of your book Journey into Grace, which is Tales of

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the Psychic Paramedic. That's awesome. That is a that is

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awesome that you can you can find me.

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Speaker 2: At Sarah kagrace dot com and that's Sarah with an

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h K Grace dot com.

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Speaker 1: And if someone wants to do a session with you

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or anything like that, it's.

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Speaker 2: All on there. You can work with me individually or

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in groups or there.

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Speaker 1: I have a feeling that I can talk to you

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for at least another ten days. There's stuff, there's glic.

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It was such a pleasure meeting you, a pleasure sharing

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your story with my audience. And thank you so much

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for the bravery that you've done with coming up publicly

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doing this and doing the good work and really helping

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to awaken the planet. So I appreciate you. I appreciate

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you too, Thank you, Thank you for spending this sacred

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time with us today. If you feel called to explore

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this conversation further, you'll find the show notes for this

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