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<v Speaker 2>APMs when the heat advisory ends. Today's high ninety three

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, the heat X is over one hundred seventy four.

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<v Speaker 2>Six thirty one, The fifty five KRC The Talk Station.

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<v Speaker 2>Wait a minute, I thought crime was down. Welcome back

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<v Speaker 2>to the fifty five KRC Morning show. FOP President Ken Kober.

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<v Speaker 2>He is the leader of the union representing the s

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<v Speaker 2>Insant Police Department.

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<v Speaker 1>It's good to have you back on.

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<v Speaker 4>Ken Thy Good morning, Brian, Thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 2>I wish we had a better subject matter to talk about,

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<v Speaker 2>like how crime is actually down, which is basically what

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<v Speaker 2>the city council the mayor have been saving for saying

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<v Speaker 2>for how long now? And oh look, wake up to

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<v Speaker 2>a new day. Too many residents are becoming victims right now.

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<v Speaker 2>Too many neighbors are concerned about the safety of the street,

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<v Speaker 2>says Mayor Aftab purvol amidst the latest crime data which

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<v Speaker 2>shows an upticking crime of nearly all types citywide when

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<v Speaker 2>compared to last year, particularly in over the ride in

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<v Speaker 2>downtown where four men coming out of Jeff Ruby's were

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<v Speaker 2>beaten down by a gang of roving teams as recently

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<v Speaker 2>as last Friday, Ken, what the hell is going on?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you know, summertimes here, it's warm out and criminals

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<v Speaker 4>are being criminals is about as bluntly as I can

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<v Speaker 4>put it.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, let us take a look quickly at what the

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<v Speaker 2>city is proposing by way of dealing with this. City

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<v Speaker 2>officials announced it what they call our new initiatives, the

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<v Speaker 2>Combat Crime, including a roving task force. I guess that

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<v Speaker 2>involves thirty officers that are moved around in different areas

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<v Speaker 2>wherever I suppose crime is reported. This is the problem,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the crime happens. Officers of course show up

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<v Speaker 2>to try to catch the bad guy and deal with

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<v Speaker 2>the aftermath. But you can't unring the bell of someone

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<v Speaker 2>being attacked, shot, murdered, whatever the case may be. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>roving police officers of course, lateral hires.

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<v Speaker 1>You and I talked about that before.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a way to get people on the street quickly

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to going through the whole training process with

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<v Speaker 2>new recruits. We've got some new recruit classes. Also, drones,

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<v Speaker 2>apparently the city of City since a police department now

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<v Speaker 2>has drones. I don't know how a drone helps. I

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<v Speaker 2>guess it helps with surveillance in a crime scene, but

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<v Speaker 2>does that help stop crime?

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<v Speaker 4>Now? That was kind of the takeaway that I got

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<v Speaker 4>from it yesterday was most of what was discussed was

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<v Speaker 4>about reaction, was about how to catch the bad guy

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<v Speaker 4>after the crime's been committed.

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<v Speaker 1>The drones are a.

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<v Speaker 4>Very useful tool. They are especially if you have somebody

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<v Speaker 4>that's fleeing, yeah, to be to be able to catch them.

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<v Speaker 4>What I didn't hear was this is what we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to do to be proactive to actually catch these bad guys.

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<v Speaker 4>These are the policies or these are the procedures that

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<v Speaker 4>we're going to change so officers are unhandcuffed so they

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<v Speaker 4>can go do their jobs. That's just what I didn't

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<v Speaker 4>hear yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I understand they're going to try to work with

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<v Speaker 2>businesses people. I guess generally speaking, anyone who wants to

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<v Speaker 2>hook up the police department with surveillance cameras, if you

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<v Speaker 2>let the world and it's like almost like having an

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<v Speaker 2>officer on the corner, I would suggest ken, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if everybody in the community knows that there are cameras

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<v Speaker 2>activated and everybody's got one these days, and they are

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<v Speaker 2>constantly monitoring the activity, ergo, if you're going to commit

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<v Speaker 2>a crime, you're going to be caught on video doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>and you're going to be more likely to be arrested

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<v Speaker 2>that might act as a deterrence. I know it's very

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<v Speaker 2>Orwellian in concept, but I at least they appreciate the

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<v Speaker 2>concept of trying to get people to cooperate, working with

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<v Speaker 2>the police and giving them access to their cameras.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, and you know, like I said, not always lost

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<v Speaker 4>on the things that they said yesterday. You know, this

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<v Speaker 4>this roving task force that they want to do. It

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<v Speaker 4>is a group of highly motivated officers. It's yet to

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<v Speaker 4>be seen how they're actually going to be deployed and

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<v Speaker 4>whether it's going to make a difference. But the bottom

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<v Speaker 4>line is, you know, these officers are going to be

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<v Speaker 4>going into this and the last time that they did this,

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<v Speaker 4>they were told listen out, do what you got to do,

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<v Speaker 4>arrest these people. And then six months later it turned around.

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<v Speaker 4>They're all sitting at the Citizens Complain Authority and they're

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<v Speaker 4>sitting at internal and many of them faced a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of administrative issues and many of those officers have not

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<v Speaker 4>forgotten about that. So it's yet to be seen how

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<v Speaker 4>this is actually going to work out and whether it's

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<v Speaker 4>going to truly make a difference. I hope it does,

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<v Speaker 4>because the citizens deserve it. They deserve to feel safe

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<v Speaker 4>in their own homes. They deserve to feel safe when

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<v Speaker 4>they come visit the city. But you know, when I

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<v Speaker 4>watched this press conference yesterday, it's like, Wow, I've seen

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of I've seen and I've heard a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of these same words from politicians in the past, and

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<v Speaker 4>it just seemed like it was just that it was

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<v Speaker 4>just words being said.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the word parents came up. We'll talk about that

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit more with FOOPI Resident Kankover.

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<v Speaker 1>Hold them over.

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<v Speaker 2>Got a word two dimension about Gato Heaven Catholic Cemetery.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a beautiful place, absolutely gorgeous. So some meaningful time

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<v Speaker 2>or place to walk around, reflect on life general speaking

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<v Speaker 2>from beginning to end, which is important. Live in the moment,

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<v Speaker 2>contemplate your point of existence, maybe engage in some prayer.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a tranquil landscape area that is just again it's beautiful.

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<v Speaker 2>It's an opportunity to reflect and engage in prayer and

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<v Speaker 2>maybe kind of walk back from that ed we'll find

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves from time to time. More than an area place,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a sanctuary, So enjoy the prayer, healing and honoring

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<v Speaker 2>legacy of life. At Gate of Heaven Cemetery in Montgomery.

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<v Speaker 2>To learn more about the whole place and the opportunities

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<v Speaker 2>that are there honoring life on sacred ground for a long,

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<v Speaker 2>long time, just go to Gate of Heaven dot org

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<v Speaker 2>to learn more. Gate of Heaven dot org.

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty five car the talk station.

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<v Speaker 2>Buck Station Right time is here with FOP President Ken

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<v Speaker 2>Cober talking about crime in the city of Cincinnati and

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<v Speaker 2>our anointed leaders promising to do something about it. Latest

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<v Speaker 2>crime data they finally acknowledge yesterday the news conference the mayor,

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<v Speaker 2>police Chief Threes Thiji and other leaders pointing out, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>crime is in fact up, something they had been in

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<v Speaker 2>the state of denial over something Ken and the active

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<v Speaker 2>officers on duty are well aware of, and a huge

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<v Speaker 2>uptick over the last month or so, including over the

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<v Speaker 2>Rhine where there've already been five homicides this year. The

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<v Speaker 2>police chief pointed to repeat offending. This is a quote

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<v Speaker 2>from the enquiry reporting unsupervised teens and pre teens as

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<v Speaker 2>a significant source of the increase in crime. Going back

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<v Speaker 2>to the attack on those guys coming out of Jeff

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<v Speaker 2>Ruby's the other day, there was a group of eight

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<v Speaker 2>teenagers who beat the crap out of them, stole their

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<v Speaker 2>cell phone, their car, keys and stuff. Fiji said it's

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<v Speaker 2>not gang related, but let's face it, if you get

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<v Speaker 2>a group of that many teens together, I'm gonna call

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<v Speaker 2>it a gang. Whether it's organized, you know, like with

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<v Speaker 2>a name, or just some folks getting together on social

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<v Speaker 2>media promising to meet someplace and commit crime. That's a

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<v Speaker 2>real problem ken And how does someone deal with it?

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<v Speaker 1>She says.

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<v Speaker 2>City leaders calling for parents to be held accountable, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's no law on the blood that can hold a

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<v Speaker 2>parent accountable for what a teenager does.

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<v Speaker 4>Now, you know, there's there are certain things that could

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<v Speaker 4>be done. I know they said they're going to look

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<v Speaker 4>and you know at the law department. The city can

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<v Speaker 4>create their own municipal codes.

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<v Speaker 1>They did it.

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<v Speaker 4>Years ago, you know, in the early two thousands when

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<v Speaker 4>they were having issues with marijuana and they created a

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<v Speaker 4>sincea municipal code that said possession of marijuana was a

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<v Speaker 4>misdemeanor the fourth degree, where the state said it was

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<v Speaker 4>a minor misdemeanor. They can make it more strict so

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<v Speaker 4>they can do those things. They can come up with law.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think it's going to be something's going to

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<v Speaker 4>happen overnight, you know. But I've only been beating this

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<v Speaker 4>drum since early twenty twenty four about how out of

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<v Speaker 4>control these kids are, and it just continues. So I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>none of this, none of this is a surprise.

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<v Speaker 1>No, it isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And obviously the parents are at the heart of solving

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<v Speaker 2>the problem. And you can, you know, create all the

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<v Speaker 2>social programs and put a pile of money together and

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<v Speaker 2>promise that it's going to solve the problem. But unless

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<v Speaker 2>you have an engaged parent who cares about where their

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<v Speaker 2>children are and how they're and behave and hold them

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<v Speaker 2>accounta well. I read a story this morning. Parents figured

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<v Speaker 2>out that their son was the one responsible for running

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<v Speaker 2>around town and committing break ins and of people's homes

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<v Speaker 2>and cars. They brought them into the police and turned

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<v Speaker 2>them in. We need more people like that as parents, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Without a doubt.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, how do you not know where your kids are?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>To me, it's just I don't know, it doesn't make sense.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if these are parents that had these

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<v Speaker 4>kids and didn't want them, or if the parents are

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<v Speaker 4>just too busy, you know, committing their own crimes. I

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<v Speaker 4>don't understand how you don't know where your children are.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, how about this, I after have purvol previously announced

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<v Speaker 2>additional programs as a way to combat youth crime. They

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<v Speaker 2>announced earlier this year they're going to expand youth events

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<v Speaker 2>like skating on the riverfront, open pools, and late night

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<v Speaker 2>activities at rec centers to curb violence. That just sounds

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<v Speaker 2>to me like an opportunity for all these young punks

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<v Speaker 2>who otherwise would be criminals to get together in the

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<v Speaker 2>same place and start fighting amongst themselves. I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just I'm skeptical and jaded and cynical over these

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<v Speaker 2>programs actually having an impact. Your your your comments and

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<v Speaker 2>thoughts again.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I got I got two thoughts about that. Number

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<v Speaker 4>one is the police officers have felt the same way.

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<v Speaker 4>That's why when they've tried to get them, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they posted over time, you know, to staff these events

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<v Speaker 4>for officers, and.

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<v Speaker 1>They don't want anything to do with it.

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<v Speaker 4>The other part of that is the kids that are

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<v Speaker 4>likely the youth that are not really at risk anyway,

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<v Speaker 4>so waiting for that. So, I mean, that's so, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>while I understand it, a lot of this is just

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<v Speaker 4>let's let's just try something and see if it works.

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<v Speaker 4>And the end result is, and I was dealing with

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<v Speaker 4>our youth services unit this this week, is they're being told, listen,

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<v Speaker 4>if you guys don't sign up for this overtime, then

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<v Speaker 4>we're just going to change your off days, or we're

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<v Speaker 4>going to cancel your off days. We're going to force

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<v Speaker 4>you to work it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>So they create these events on Friday and Saturday nights

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<v Speaker 4>and then they expect the police to work it when

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<v Speaker 4>we're already short, we're already overworked, and they're going, ah,

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<v Speaker 4>we'll just pile stuff on for every Friday and Saturday

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<v Speaker 4>night all summer and go, hey, well the police will

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<v Speaker 4>just go work it. Well, believe it or not, when

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<v Speaker 4>the police actually get a Friday or Saturday night off,

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<v Speaker 4>they would rather spend it with their family.

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<v Speaker 1>Amen, they go spend it with Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that a really important point in terms of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>recruiting and being understaffed and all that. I mean, everydy

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<v Speaker 2>fact we're going to be you're making a life choice

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<v Speaker 2>in a career choice when you started going to law enforcement.

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<v Speaker 2>If it's advertised in advance, you're gonna be working constant

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<v Speaker 2>overtime and you're never gonna get a Friday or Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna go a solid no on that as an

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<v Speaker 2>I do appreciate your point, though, you know, I can

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<v Speaker 2>see the group of teens you want to go skating

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<v Speaker 2>on the riverfront. No, let's go rob guys coming out

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<v Speaker 2>of Jeff Ruby's.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if those are your options, obviously the skating

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<v Speaker 2>is not going to be a draw for you. Here's

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<v Speaker 2>the other element I want to ask because you mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>the citizen complain authority and I kind of thought about

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<v Speaker 2>the follow up. If you're out there arresting people, and

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<v Speaker 2>I understand this is a morale problem with the police

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<v Speaker 2>officers because the revolving door of justice. We got all

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<v Speaker 2>these liberal and I don't know if it's the prosecutor's

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<v Speaker 2>department or it's the judges or a combination of both,

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<v Speaker 2>but they're not interested in meeting a punishment on these

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<v Speaker 2>young people. It's like, oh my god, they're gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>scarred for life. We can't, you know, convict them for anything,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's gonna be a up light on their record.

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<v Speaker 2>They're never gonna be able to get a job. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's that's the key element to the criminal justice system deterrence.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got to.

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<v Speaker 2>Punish in order to bring about a reality that, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna be thrown in that category, I better not

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<v Speaker 2>commit the crime or I'm gonna end up with a record.

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<v Speaker 2>Isn't that the point?

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<v Speaker 1>Ken?

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<v Speaker 4>Sure it is. And actually your chief Siege you talked

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<v Speaker 4>about yesterday the thirteen year old in the West End

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<v Speaker 4>that was adjudicated delinquent for shooting someone in northern Kentucky

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<v Speaker 4>in November. Jeez. And then all of a sudden, now

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<v Speaker 4>a week ago, the same thirteen year old is running

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<v Speaker 4>around the West End with a semiotic pistol. What they

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<v Speaker 4>say round Drum magazine. Oh my god, I don't think

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<v Speaker 4>that deterrent worked. That this is where we're at. The

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<v Speaker 4>kid never should have been out, and that's that is

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<v Speaker 4>an absolute court system blunder. The kid was actually sentenced

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<v Speaker 4>to be held until he was eighteen. Yeah, somehow was

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<v Speaker 4>released in May.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why we have juvenile detentions facilities, most notably for

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<v Speaker 2>the ones running around with firearms committing back to violence.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, who else should be in there? Ken is

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<v Speaker 2>there currently a curfew in effect for minors.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, there is, but it's and that's one of the

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<v Speaker 4>things that they didn't talk about. It's not enforced. Twenty

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<v Speaker 4>years ago, all summer we would do curfew sweeps or

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<v Speaker 4>we would open up rec centers and if you were

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<v Speaker 4>out on the street as a juvenile, you were going

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<v Speaker 4>to be detained. We put you in the back of

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<v Speaker 4>a prisoner van, take you to a rec center. You

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<v Speaker 4>would be processed. They had officers there doing all the processing.

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<v Speaker 4>Would call the parentsy go come pick up your child,

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<v Speaker 4>or they're going to twenty twenty. That law's already there,

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<v Speaker 4>it's just not being utilized. It's just not you do

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<v Speaker 4>arrest of juvenile for curfew and try to take them

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<v Speaker 4>up to twenty twenty. Right now you're the juvenile detention center.

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<v Speaker 4>They won't even take them.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's a breakdown in this system. I mean an

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<v Speaker 2>obvious one state the obvious. But that that's what's the

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<v Speaker 2>point of having a law on the book One't that

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<v Speaker 2>probably be more effective than anything else preventing these gangs

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<v Speaker 2>of roving teenagers from assaulting and battering people. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>understand is there a directive within the police department from

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<v Speaker 2>the top authorities to not utilize or is it enforce

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<v Speaker 2>that curfew or is it just simple practical effect that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not worth the police officer's time because of exactly

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<v Speaker 2>what you said, it's not going to result in anything happening.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's not effective when you have two officers you'll

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<v Speaker 4>work in downtown on a Friday or Saturday night and

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<v Speaker 4>then you know, you have a juvenile that you call

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<v Speaker 4>twenty twenty and they go, we're not taking them, So

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<v Speaker 4>why are you going to drive up to Mount Auburn

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<v Speaker 4>to take this kit up there for them to refuse them?

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<v Speaker 4>And now they're offered for an hour wait, yeah, parent

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<v Speaker 4>to come while everything else.

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<v Speaker 1>Is going on downtown. That's not a pretty picture. Can

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<v Speaker 1>cover it? Really isn't well.

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<v Speaker 2>I think obviously they've addressed the issue, or at least

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<v Speaker 2>they purportedly addressed the issue of the understaffing. Three new

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<v Speaker 2>classes of at least one hundred and fifty of officers.

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<v Speaker 2>They're trying to do lateral hires and good luck to

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<v Speaker 2>them on that. Do you know how successful or can

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<v Speaker 2>you predict how successful they're going to be with getting

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<v Speaker 2>laterals in given the state of affairs in the city

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<v Speaker 2>on the police department generally.

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<v Speaker 4>I'll be honest, I don't think they'll have any trouble

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<v Speaker 4>fill in a class. There's a lot of interest. You know,

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of officers that are already experienced come here

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<v Speaker 4>because we do have pretty decent pay, we do benefits,

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<v Speaker 4>So I think I don't there's been a lot of interest.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't think we're going to have any trouble of

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<v Speaker 4>trouble filling the class.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we can leave on that positive note. Ken Let's

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very very happy to hear that. Again, I view

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<v Speaker 2>things from someone who is not a member of law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement perspective, and it just doesn't sound good in downtown Cincinnati.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm glad to hear that laterals won't be a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Can cover FLP. President, Thank you so much for your

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<v Speaker 2>time today. I appreciate your insight and your thoughts and

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<v Speaker 2>your willingness to share your time with my listeners and

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<v Speaker 2>me here on the fifty five KRC Morning Show. And

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<v Speaker 2>I feel pretty confident we'll talk again, hopefully with more

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<v Speaker 1>Yep.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, thanks for having me, Brian.

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<v Speaker 1>Happy to do it.

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