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Speaker 2: Six thirty one, The fifty five KRC The Talk Station.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I thought crime was down. Welcome back
Speaker 2: to the fifty five KRC Morning show. FOP President Ken Kober.
Speaker 2: He is the leader of the union representing the s
Speaker 2: Insant Police Department.
Speaker 1: It's good to have you back on.
Speaker 4: Ken Thy Good morning, Brian, Thanks for having me.
Speaker 2: I wish we had a better subject matter to talk about,
Speaker 2: like how crime is actually down, which is basically what
Speaker 2: the city council the mayor have been saving for saying
Speaker 2: for how long now? And oh look, wake up to
Speaker 2: a new day. Too many residents are becoming victims right now.
Speaker 2: Too many neighbors are concerned about the safety of the street,
Speaker 2: says Mayor Aftab purvol amidst the latest crime data which
Speaker 2: shows an upticking crime of nearly all types citywide when
Speaker 2: compared to last year, particularly in over the ride in
Speaker 2: downtown where four men coming out of Jeff Ruby's were
Speaker 2: beaten down by a gang of roving teams as recently
Speaker 2: as last Friday, Ken, what the hell is going on?
Speaker 4: Well, you know, summertimes here, it's warm out and criminals
Speaker 4: are being criminals is about as bluntly as I can
Speaker 4: put it.
Speaker 2: Well, let us take a look quickly at what the
Speaker 2: city is proposing by way of dealing with this. City
Speaker 2: officials announced it what they call our new initiatives, the
Speaker 2: Combat Crime, including a roving task force. I guess that
Speaker 2: involves thirty officers that are moved around in different areas
Speaker 2: wherever I suppose crime is reported. This is the problem,
Speaker 2: you know, the crime happens. Officers of course show up
Speaker 2: to try to catch the bad guy and deal with
Speaker 2: the aftermath. But you can't unring the bell of someone
Speaker 2: being attacked, shot, murdered, whatever the case may be. So yeah,
Speaker 2: roving police officers of course, lateral hires.
Speaker 1: You and I talked about that before.
Speaker 2: It's a way to get people on the street quickly
Speaker 2: as opposed to going through the whole training process with
Speaker 2: new recruits. We've got some new recruit classes. Also, drones,
Speaker 2: apparently the city of City since a police department now
Speaker 2: has drones. I don't know how a drone helps. I
Speaker 2: guess it helps with surveillance in a crime scene, but
Speaker 2: does that help stop crime?
Speaker 4: Now? That was kind of the takeaway that I got
Speaker 4: from it yesterday was most of what was discussed was
Speaker 4: about reaction, was about how to catch the bad guy
Speaker 4: after the crime's been committed.
Speaker 1: The drones are a.
Speaker 4: Very useful tool. They are especially if you have somebody
Speaker 4: that's fleeing, yeah, to be to be able to catch them.
Speaker 4: What I didn't hear was this is what we're going
Speaker 4: to do to be proactive to actually catch these bad guys.
Speaker 4: These are the policies or these are the procedures that
Speaker 4: we're going to change so officers are unhandcuffed so they
Speaker 4: can go do their jobs. That's just what I didn't
Speaker 4: hear yesterday.
Speaker 2: Well, I understand they're going to try to work with
Speaker 2: businesses people. I guess generally speaking, anyone who wants to
Speaker 2: hook up the police department with surveillance cameras, if you
Speaker 2: let the world and it's like almost like having an
Speaker 2: officer on the corner, I would suggest ken, you know,
Speaker 2: if everybody in the community knows that there are cameras
Speaker 2: activated and everybody's got one these days, and they are
Speaker 2: constantly monitoring the activity, ergo, if you're going to commit
Speaker 2: a crime, you're going to be caught on video doing it,
Speaker 2: and you're going to be more likely to be arrested
Speaker 2: that might act as a deterrence. I know it's very
Speaker 2: Orwellian in concept, but I at least they appreciate the
Speaker 2: concept of trying to get people to cooperate, working with
Speaker 2: the police and giving them access to their cameras.
Speaker 4: Sure, and you know, like I said, not always lost
Speaker 4: on the things that they said yesterday. You know, this
Speaker 4: this roving task force that they want to do. It
Speaker 4: is a group of highly motivated officers. It's yet to
Speaker 4: be seen how they're actually going to be deployed and
Speaker 4: whether it's going to make a difference. But the bottom
Speaker 4: line is, you know, these officers are going to be
Speaker 4: going into this and the last time that they did this,
Speaker 4: they were told listen out, do what you got to do,
Speaker 4: arrest these people. And then six months later it turned around.
Speaker 4: They're all sitting at the Citizens Complain Authority and they're
Speaker 4: sitting at internal and many of them faced a lot
Speaker 4: of administrative issues and many of those officers have not
Speaker 4: forgotten about that. So it's yet to be seen how
Speaker 4: this is actually going to work out and whether it's
Speaker 4: going to truly make a difference. I hope it does,
Speaker 4: because the citizens deserve it. They deserve to feel safe
Speaker 4: in their own homes. They deserve to feel safe when
Speaker 4: they come visit the city. But you know, when I
Speaker 4: watched this press conference yesterday, it's like, Wow, I've seen
Speaker 4: a lot of I've seen and I've heard a lot
Speaker 4: of these same words from politicians in the past, and
Speaker 4: it just seemed like it was just that it was
Speaker 4: just words being said.
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Speaker 1: Fifty five car the talk station.
Speaker 2: Buck Station Right time is here with FOP President Ken
Speaker 2: Cober talking about crime in the city of Cincinnati and
Speaker 2: our anointed leaders promising to do something about it. Latest
Speaker 2: crime data they finally acknowledge yesterday the news conference the mayor,
Speaker 2: police Chief Threes Thiji and other leaders pointing out, yes,
Speaker 2: crime is in fact up, something they had been in
Speaker 2: the state of denial over something Ken and the active
Speaker 2: officers on duty are well aware of, and a huge
Speaker 2: uptick over the last month or so, including over the
Speaker 2: Rhine where there've already been five homicides this year. The
Speaker 2: police chief pointed to repeat offending. This is a quote
Speaker 2: from the enquiry reporting unsupervised teens and pre teens as
Speaker 2: a significant source of the increase in crime. Going back
Speaker 2: to the attack on those guys coming out of Jeff
Speaker 2: Ruby's the other day, there was a group of eight
Speaker 2: teenagers who beat the crap out of them, stole their
Speaker 2: cell phone, their car, keys and stuff. Fiji said it's
Speaker 2: not gang related, but let's face it, if you get
Speaker 2: a group of that many teens together, I'm gonna call
Speaker 2: it a gang. Whether it's organized, you know, like with
Speaker 2: a name, or just some folks getting together on social
Speaker 2: media promising to meet someplace and commit crime. That's a
Speaker 2: real problem ken And how does someone deal with it?
Speaker 1: She says.
Speaker 2: City leaders calling for parents to be held accountable, Well,
Speaker 2: there's no law on the blood that can hold a
Speaker 2: parent accountable for what a teenager does.
Speaker 4: Now, you know, there's there are certain things that could
Speaker 4: be done. I know they said they're going to look
Speaker 4: and you know at the law department. The city can
Speaker 4: create their own municipal codes.
Speaker 1: They did it.
Speaker 4: Years ago, you know, in the early two thousands when
Speaker 4: they were having issues with marijuana and they created a
Speaker 4: sincea municipal code that said possession of marijuana was a
Speaker 4: misdemeanor the fourth degree, where the state said it was
Speaker 4: a minor misdemeanor. They can make it more strict so
Speaker 4: they can do those things. They can come up with law.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's going to be something's going to
Speaker 4: happen overnight, you know. But I've only been beating this
Speaker 4: drum since early twenty twenty four about how out of
Speaker 4: control these kids are, and it just continues. So I mean,
Speaker 4: none of this, none of this is a surprise.
Speaker 1: No, it isn't.
Speaker 2: And obviously the parents are at the heart of solving
Speaker 2: the problem. And you can, you know, create all the
Speaker 2: social programs and put a pile of money together and
Speaker 2: promise that it's going to solve the problem. But unless
Speaker 2: you have an engaged parent who cares about where their
Speaker 2: children are and how they're and behave and hold them
Speaker 2: accounta well. I read a story this morning. Parents figured
Speaker 2: out that their son was the one responsible for running
Speaker 2: around town and committing break ins and of people's homes
Speaker 2: and cars. They brought them into the police and turned
Speaker 2: them in. We need more people like that as parents, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Without a doubt.
Speaker 4: I mean, how do you not know where your kids are?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 4: To me, it's just I don't know, it doesn't make sense.
Speaker 4: I don't know if these are parents that had these
Speaker 4: kids and didn't want them, or if the parents are
Speaker 4: just too busy, you know, committing their own crimes. I
Speaker 4: don't understand how you don't know where your children are.
Speaker 2: Well, how about this, I after have purvol previously announced
Speaker 2: additional programs as a way to combat youth crime. They
Speaker 2: announced earlier this year they're going to expand youth events
Speaker 2: like skating on the riverfront, open pools, and late night
Speaker 2: activities at rec centers to curb violence. That just sounds
Speaker 2: to me like an opportunity for all these young punks
Speaker 2: who otherwise would be criminals to get together in the
Speaker 2: same place and start fighting amongst themselves. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it's just I'm skeptical and jaded and cynical over these
Speaker 2: programs actually having an impact. Your your your comments and
Speaker 2: thoughts again.
Speaker 4: Well, I got I got two thoughts about that. Number
Speaker 4: one is the police officers have felt the same way.
Speaker 4: That's why when they've tried to get them, you know,
Speaker 4: they posted over time, you know, to staff these events
Speaker 4: for officers, and.
Speaker 1: They don't want anything to do with it.
Speaker 4: The other part of that is the kids that are
Speaker 4: actually going to show up to that stuff are most
Speaker 4: likely the youth that are not really at risk anyway,
Speaker 4: so waiting for that. So, I mean, that's so, I mean,
Speaker 4: while I understand it, a lot of this is just
Speaker 4: let's let's just try something and see if it works.
Speaker 4: And the end result is, and I was dealing with
Speaker 4: our youth services unit this this week, is they're being told, listen,
Speaker 4: if you guys don't sign up for this overtime, then
Speaker 4: we're just going to change your off days, or we're
Speaker 4: going to cancel your off days. We're going to force
Speaker 4: you to work it.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 4: So they create these events on Friday and Saturday nights
Speaker 4: and then they expect the police to work it when
Speaker 4: we're already short, we're already overworked, and they're going, ah,
Speaker 4: we'll just pile stuff on for every Friday and Saturday
Speaker 4: night all summer and go, hey, well the police will
Speaker 4: just go work it. Well, believe it or not, when
Speaker 4: the police actually get a Friday or Saturday night off,
Speaker 4: they would rather spend it with their family.
Speaker 1: Amen, they go spend it with Trump.
Speaker 2: Isn't that a really important point in terms of you know,
Speaker 2: recruiting and being understaffed and all that. I mean, everydy
Speaker 2: fact we're going to be you're making a life choice
Speaker 2: in a career choice when you started going to law enforcement.
Speaker 2: If it's advertised in advance, you're gonna be working constant
Speaker 2: overtime and you're never gonna get a Friday or Saturday
Speaker 2: night night off.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a solid no on that as an
Speaker 1: option for my career. Anyway.
Speaker 2: I do appreciate your point, though, you know, I can
Speaker 2: see the group of teens you want to go skating
Speaker 2: on the riverfront. No, let's go rob guys coming out
Speaker 2: of Jeff Ruby's.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I mean, if those are your options, obviously the skating
Speaker 2: is not going to be a draw for you. Here's
Speaker 2: the other element I want to ask because you mentioned
Speaker 2: the citizen complain authority and I kind of thought about
Speaker 2: the follow up. If you're out there arresting people, and
Speaker 2: I understand this is a morale problem with the police
Speaker 2: officers because the revolving door of justice. We got all
Speaker 2: these liberal and I don't know if it's the prosecutor's
Speaker 2: department or it's the judges or a combination of both,
Speaker 2: but they're not interested in meeting a punishment on these
Speaker 2: young people. It's like, oh my god, they're gonna be
Speaker 2: scarred for life. We can't, you know, convict them for anything,
Speaker 2: because it's gonna be a up light on their record.
Speaker 2: They're never gonna be able to get a job. But
Speaker 2: that's that's the key element to the criminal justice system deterrence.
Speaker 1: You've got to.
Speaker 2: Punish in order to bring about a reality that, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be thrown in that category, I better not
Speaker 2: commit the crime or I'm gonna end up with a record.
Speaker 2: Isn't that the point?
Speaker 1: Ken?
Speaker 4: Sure it is. And actually your chief Siege you talked
Speaker 4: about yesterday the thirteen year old in the West End
Speaker 4: that was adjudicated delinquent for shooting someone in northern Kentucky
Speaker 4: in November. Jeez. And then all of a sudden, now
Speaker 4: a week ago, the same thirteen year old is running
Speaker 4: around the West End with a semiotic pistol. What they
Speaker 4: say round Drum magazine. Oh my god, I don't think
Speaker 4: that deterrent worked. That this is where we're at. The
Speaker 4: kid never should have been out, and that's that is
Speaker 4: an absolute court system blunder. The kid was actually sentenced
Speaker 4: to be held until he was eighteen. Yeah, somehow was
Speaker 4: released in May.
Speaker 2: That's why we have juvenile detentions facilities, most notably for
Speaker 2: the ones running around with firearms committing back to violence.
Speaker 2: I mean, who else should be in there? Ken is
Speaker 2: there currently a curfew in effect for minors.
Speaker 4: Well, there is, but it's and that's one of the
Speaker 4: things that they didn't talk about. It's not enforced. Twenty
Speaker 4: years ago, all summer we would do curfew sweeps or
Speaker 4: we would open up rec centers and if you were
Speaker 4: out on the street as a juvenile, you were going
Speaker 4: to be detained. We put you in the back of
Speaker 4: a prisoner van, take you to a rec center. You
Speaker 4: would be processed. They had officers there doing all the processing.
Speaker 4: Would call the parentsy go come pick up your child,
Speaker 4: or they're going to twenty twenty. That law's already there,
Speaker 4: it's just not being utilized. It's just not you do
Speaker 4: arrest of juvenile for curfew and try to take them
Speaker 4: up to twenty twenty. Right now you're the juvenile detention center.
Speaker 4: They won't even take them.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a breakdown in this system. I mean an
Speaker 2: obvious one state the obvious. But that that's what's the
Speaker 2: point of having a law on the book One't that
Speaker 2: probably be more effective than anything else preventing these gangs
Speaker 2: of roving teenagers from assaulting and battering people. I don't
Speaker 2: understand is there a directive within the police department from
Speaker 2: the top authorities to not utilize or is it enforce
Speaker 2: that curfew or is it just simple practical effect that
Speaker 2: it's not worth the police officer's time because of exactly
Speaker 2: what you said, it's not going to result in anything happening.
Speaker 4: Well, it's not effective when you have two officers you'll
Speaker 4: work in downtown on a Friday or Saturday night and
Speaker 4: then you know, you have a juvenile that you call
Speaker 4: twenty twenty and they go, we're not taking them, So
Speaker 4: why are you going to drive up to Mount Auburn
Speaker 4: to take this kit up there for them to refuse them?
Speaker 4: And now they're offered for an hour wait, yeah, parent
Speaker 4: to come while everything else.
Speaker 1: Is going on downtown. That's not a pretty picture. Can
Speaker 1: cover it? Really isn't well.
Speaker 2: I think obviously they've addressed the issue, or at least
Speaker 2: they purportedly addressed the issue of the understaffing. Three new
Speaker 2: classes of at least one hundred and fifty of officers.
Speaker 2: They're trying to do lateral hires and good luck to
Speaker 2: them on that. Do you know how successful or can
Speaker 2: you predict how successful they're going to be with getting
Speaker 2: laterals in given the state of affairs in the city
Speaker 2: on the police department generally.
Speaker 4: I'll be honest, I don't think they'll have any trouble
Speaker 4: fill in a class. There's a lot of interest. You know,
Speaker 4: a lot of officers that are already experienced come here
Speaker 4: because we do have pretty decent pay, we do benefits,
Speaker 4: So I think I don't there's been a lot of interest.
Speaker 4: I don't think we're going to have any trouble of
Speaker 4: trouble filling the class.
Speaker 2: Well, we can leave on that positive note. Ken Let's
Speaker 2: I'm very very happy to hear that. Again, I view
Speaker 2: things from someone who is not a member of law
Speaker 2: enforcement perspective, and it just doesn't sound good in downtown Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: But I'm glad to hear that laterals won't be a problem.
Speaker 2: Can cover FLP. President, Thank you so much for your
Speaker 2: time today. I appreciate your insight and your thoughts and
Speaker 2: your willingness to share your time with my listeners and
Speaker 2: me here on the fifty five KRC Morning Show. And
Speaker 2: I feel pretty confident we'll talk again, hopefully with more
Speaker 2: good news.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 4: Sure, thanks for having me, Brian.
Speaker 1: Happy to do it.
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