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Speaker 4: Thanks for having me again.
Speaker 2: Man, Always a pleasure, man, Always have pleasure talking ball
with you.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know a couple of the topics that we've broached
over the last I don't know, three or four days
prior to the weekend.
Speaker 1: Uh, I want to broach him with you.
Speaker 2: RB two is a question that we're gonna hopefully find
out or get closer to finding out during springball.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You got Tooni Moa. You have you know a number
of guys right now. Devon ecka young buck looking to
make some Hey, Preston Rex has been a favorite amongst
some because he's got some past catching ability. You've talked
with me about a little bit about what he brings
to Jovessa Mooney, Joe de Mooney. Jovesa de Mooney really
came on strong with his seven tots in the pop
tarch Bawl versus Georgia Tech. And you know, there could
be others that step up. There could be a new
name that steps up after spring. But where you stand
right now in the RB two conversation, who you're most
likely to bet on right now to become RB two
behind l J.
Speaker 5: Martin, Well, absolutely shut him. It would be that would
be the favorite for the number two spot. I mean,
you look back at some of the tape of him
when he was healthy, and he's a tough dude to
bring down, and he has got size. Uh, he's got
the ability to really fill in the gaps, you know,
when LJ is tired or lj's you know, needs a break.
Speaker 4: He does that well.
Speaker 5: I also think that that Preston Rex is going to
add to the mix. I think that there are certain
plays and certain downs where I think he is very
very good with his speed on the outside, with his
ability with this knowledge of defense and playing so much
of that as well, and so I think he adds
to it. You can't count out to Javesa de Mooney
just because of how well he played in the bowl game.
You know, you he's gonna get his his reps in
the spring and and and it's always fun to see
these new freshmen coming in. So other than his game
tape at Lehigh, I don't know. I'm interesting to see
what the speed does you know, as a freshman coming in.
Is he going to be able to be up with
the speed? Is he going to be able to lay
the hits and make the moves. He's quick, he's fast,
and and and I think he's got a bright future.
So I do think we do have a pretty good room.
It'll be interesting to see who stands out, you know, who,
who really steps up and and and and shows how
competitive they are this spring and and but that's the
best part of spring ball, man. It's the unknowns and
the unknowns and then the ability to go in and
compete and earn that spot. I always tell you, man,
it's the most fun part of football, in my opinion,
is springball.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Look, I love spring ball.
Speaker 2: I think it's the time to prove yourself and to
uh maybe turn some heads, get some more reps, have
some more opportunities.
Speaker 1: And RB two is one of those. RP two has
got to be one of those.
Speaker 2: And and you hope that somebody steps out, uh, steps
up in the the absence of a true RB two
right now, because like you know, and when Lj's out,
you know, and it bears a little bit you know, limited.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it hurts. It got a little if, It got
a little if.
Speaker 2: In our run game and our play action was awesome
this season because we had a run game. We had
a quarterback and a running back that looked they were
the they were the Centaurs, they were the bear tars.
Speaker 1: They were uh.
Speaker 2: They they were heavy loads to bring down and they
were scatty and and fleet of foot as well, quick
and and explosive and physical. And that's what led to
a fantastic play action game and intermediate intermediate passing it which.
Speaker 1: Based the question, Uh, even before.
Speaker 2: The Parker Kingston news, we were concerned about a wide
receiver one. Parker was going to be the favorite to
be a one thousand yard receiver. We haven't had many
of those historically and b WAU football history. Parker was
on a trajectory to become that. You know, aside from
the legal issues, I've said this consistently. May the truth
be unveiled and may justice be wrought and served in
all these things right and from on all sides, in
all spect spectrums.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it will happen in these cases.
Speaker 2: I don't think always truth is unveiled and unferraled to
all to consume. And I don't know if justice is
always wrought in these cases. But I hope that's what
occurs going forward. But let's just take football for a moment.
What do we do now in that wide receiver room?
Are we as confident as you know? And we were, like,
you know, moderately confident in our wide receiver corps, But
we're like, it'd be nice to have a Kiel and Marion,
It'd be nice to have an Austin College.
Speaker 1: It'd be nice to have a Dax mill And type.
Speaker 2: Of player that Darius Lasher was a wide receiver one
for us.
Speaker 4: We don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we have that. Everyone thinks maybe
Kyler Casper could be that guy. Maybe Reggie FRISHCNNET, Uh,
maybe it's somebody else. But how you how are you
feeling right now about the wide receiver room.
Speaker 5: Well, they're all athletes, they all can play ball, and
we just need to get reps. You know, we need
to see who comes in and stands out. I mean,
Tannakook could come in and be that guy. You know,
you just don't know right now because the majority of
the guys that that are in there haven't got the
reps in order to prove themselves. So it's gonna take
I'm sure they're throwing a lot with Bear. They're starting
to get that feel they're getting more reps. Most of
these guys didn't get a lot of reps with Bear
because they weren't ones and twos last year, you know,
and Reggie got in towards the end of the season.
Speaker 4: I think Reggie's great. I think he's gonna he's gonna
turn a lot of heads, you.
Speaker 6: Know, I I yeah, it's it's you hate going into
it with with with the negativity that's kind of come
across the last couple of weeks.
Speaker 4: But guys have to step up, you know. It's the same.
Speaker 5: It's like basketball, as all say, people get hurt, you know,
next man up and who's ready to fill the shoes.
Somebody's going to there. There's got to be guys that
come in and do that. And I can't wait for
the competitiveness of springball to bring out the best in
some of these guys. And I think we have guys
that can do that. I think Kyler Casper is going
to do very well. Uh just in talking to him
and his his physicality in football, what he wants to do,
what his goals are. And but somebody in that receiver
room has to step up and and become that guy.
Speaker 4: You know, who is going to step up and be it?
Speaker 5: I'm not sure yet, you know, it's it's and it
could be week by week, but I think somebody's gonna
come out as the alpha in that room and become
the top dog, and everybody is going to be It's
kind of like that when we had the quarterback battles
and you always just like who is it.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a parent who is that guy?
Speaker 5: Typically And just like last year, Bear became that guy
and he earned a spot.
Speaker 4: And I think a receiver is gonna step up.
Speaker 5: And show that he is that alpha and we're going
to be excited to see him play. I'm telling you
some of these freshmen coming into our outstanding athletes, you know,
it's hard to put a lot on the shoulders of
a freshman but as we've seen, look at Malakai Toni.
Guys should shouldn't even have been a freshman, right, he
should have been a senior in high school and he dominated.
You know, I'm not saying we have a Malachai Tony
on the team, but do we You know the Pula
Twins coming in. These guys are incredible athletes, and they're
not five foot seven like Malachai Tony.
Speaker 4: These guys are. These guys are lengthy.
Speaker 5: If they can be physical, if they can block, and
they can get open, they're going to get the ball.
We could have a shocker of a wide receiver room
this year with some of these young guys that just
come in and ball out. And it used to be
where you're like, ah, the guys a freshman, he's coming in.
Most freshmen don't have a shot. At least when I played,
it was very rare that you had a freshman just
come in and.
Speaker 4: Just take over the team.
Speaker 5: Today's world and the amount of private coaching these athletes
like you look for Margin Hooks.
Speaker 4: One of my old teammates, right, Margins.
Speaker 5: I love Margin and he is put together the absolute
top dogs and the wide receiver groups across the nation. Right,
you watch some of these guys. I was watching one
of his guys running yesterday. He's a twenty nine graduate, right,
His routes unreal, like two steps in and out of
like comeback right, just none. And so the amount of
training and the skill set that these guys are coming
out of high school with, it's just it's a but
what if.
Speaker 4: We would have had that kind of training, Ben, you know,
I mean think about it. I barely had a receiver
coach in high school. You know that.
Speaker 5: He just happened to play receiver in junior college and
so he was our receiver coach.
Speaker 4: Right, these guys.
Speaker 5: Are now being coached by the best of the best,
and they're starting in like sixth grade, seventh grade with
one on one coaching. So I think they're coming out bigger, stronger, faster,
and with skills that we were still learning. I would
even say as a sophomore in junior in college, I
was still learning some of the off the ball press coverage,
how to get away from guys. And these guys are
just separating, you know. So it's different, you know, And
so I do feel like we could have a freshman
step in there. I really, I really want to see
Tana Koua do something, do something this year. He's he's
got the biggest mouth of anybody on the in the
receiver room. Every play, his mouth doesn't stop talking. And
I wanted I want him to have the opportunity to
back up that mouth a little bit, you know, and
because I think that's fun. You know, it's fun to
get out there and be aggressive like that. But then
it's even even and morphone when you back it up.
Speaker 4: We could play.
Speaker 1: Give me an example.
Speaker 2: Of a major injury or roster attrition that occurred that
ended up creating a BYU hero a BYU baller. Right Obviously,
the low hanging fruit right now is bear Bachmeyer j Retslow.
That was a roster attrition and bar Bachmeer steps up
and does something that I mean, he was the highest
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quarterback Tanner Magum. After Taysom Hill went down in twenty fifteen.
Let beg you to a nine game season, nine game
win season with an opportunity to beat Utah in the
in the Vegas Bowl in twenty fifteen, and he had
a great year. I mean he threw for over three
thousand yards, nine wins as a true freshman, two game winner,
Hail Mary's one versus Boys, you stay one versus Nebraska
at Nebraska, he became a baller in twenty fifteen.
Speaker 1: Now he regressed. There's some issues.
Speaker 2: He had mental and emotional issues, and he just he
lost maybe some competitive fire and edge, and maybe the
supporting cast wasn't as good, etcetera. You can make all
these excuses, but like in twenty fifteen, he was a baller.
But you know, is there a defensive player, Is there
another offensive player, a wide receiver example that you can
think about from your time or you know, as you've
been a fan also watching from Afar that you can
point to and say, hey, this was a major injury
or a ross attrition that occurred and ended up creating
a BYU baller.
Speaker 4: I'm drawing a complete blank on that. Yeah, I think
I'm running back to all these injuries and all these.
Speaker 1: People because a lot of times.
Speaker 2: Many times you don't get your opportunity until an injury occurs.
Ritchie Saunders goes down with an ACL injury. Doesn't have
to It doesn't have to be a football example either,
sure right, It could be a bastball example where you
know someone is sitting there in the wing, not getting minutes.
All of a sudden you give him the minutes and
they take the baton and they rise to glory and
fame because they were ready for the moment. The moment
wasn't too big for him. They had prepared and all
they needed was an opportunity. All they needed was a
chance to be featured and get the volume or close
to the volume that that that former player had received.
Speaker 3: I don't have a single one I was I was
just thinking a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah I went down. It was short lived because he
got injured.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but how good was it? What was the game?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 4: Yeah, when when he came in and just you couldn't
take him down? His potential man, and it was like, yeah, yeah,
I think that's a great one.
Speaker 5: That that's one that had to everyone can relate to
right now and we want.
Speaker 4: That back, We want that back. This year. So yeah,
let's go uh yeah, I don't have one off the
top of my head. I think that.
Speaker 2: Look, I don't think it happens all the time. You know,
it doesn't happen all the time. But like there there
are there are times, right there are there are opportunities
to uh to showcase your ability. I think this this
is one of those opportunities right within the wide chival room.
Speaker 5: It is it is, and there's it's gonna take some
somebody's gonna step up and do it.
Speaker 4: You know, somebody's gonna be that guy.
Speaker 5: And it would be great if we got two or
three of them, you know, two or three of the
guys step up and become just really good.
Speaker 3: Bruce Mitchell's another one. Just think oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah went down and Bruce came in.
Speaker 1: And Brucey became he was really good all big twelve.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna put that out there for Cougarnation to
chime in on, because uh, you know, they'll they'll delve
into the archive, they'll delve into they they're going to
be pulling up in the nineteen eighties and you know
when Mark Wilson went down and Jim McMahon stepped up.
Speaker 1: That's what they that's gonna be. They're gonna be delving
into there.
Speaker 2: But I'm also looking for, like positions outside of quarterback
is what I'm looking for here, and and I'm thinking of,
you know, of of major injuries. I mean, quite honestly,
in six and seven when I was playing like we
we the reason why we were good is because we
really didn't have that many major injuries.
Speaker 1: Like they stayed collectively pretty healthy.
Speaker 2: I think you can say the same thing for the
eighty four season, like they stayed really healthy.
Speaker 1: I talked to Robbie Bosco about it.
Speaker 2: They just didn't have any major injuries from key players.
Speaker 5: Played on grass too, Yeah, you know, so I think
there's to be said with the playing fields that we
were able to play.
Speaker 1: On about practice and game which is grass.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we played on grass, and grass is forgiving. Yeah,
And I think that a lot of.
Speaker 5: The soft tissue injuries are coming from, uh when you
cut and and in some of this turf and it
doesn't give like a normal grass field might give and
cause some of those injuries. But in fact, I did
just talk to a friend of mine, an old teammate
from RIXS that played. We were stay Jimmy Atkins and
so Jimmy, Jimmy is running with business.
Speaker 4: They do all the turf.
Speaker 5: In fact, they might be doing the turf on the
indoor practice field at by US. So I asked him
today about that. You know, what's what's the difference in
this turf? And they are now they've come out with
a new turf that actually is more forgiving. It's no
no more of that uh of the the rubber pellets
all over. It's a whole different deal with a padding
that those pellets. And there's gonna be some lawsuits down
the line. I feel like that. Yeah, I mean it
was I think that what they're developing now should be born.
And you notice it in a lot of the NFL
teams as well, and and a lot of these soft
tissue injuries and and but I think when you talk
about injuries and you go to the basketball, it's gonna
be really interesting to see who steps in and takes
over that that spot, uh and and fills those shoes
in the basketball. I had a question for you, do
do you know? I was thinking about this today. Is
there a limit of games that a red shirt can
play in basketball?
Speaker 4: As similar to football. Is there somebody who's.
Speaker 5: Red shirting currently on the BYU basketball team, it would.
Speaker 2: Be kJ Perry, But I think he's I think he's
he's injured too, I think is he. I don't know, Ronnie,
he correct me if I'm wrong, But I think kJ
Perry is also not healthy enough to play, and they
had him slated as a red shirt right away. I
mean that's the thing like basketball's cursed. I mean right
Ay Pickens foot an ankle out for the year, Dawson
Baker knee out for the year, Berti Koslowski out for
the year, Richie Saunders knee out for the year, Xavier
Stton out for the year. I think kJ Perry has
also been been, you know, been deemed.
Speaker 5: But can they can they play a certain amount of
games and still hold their red shirt like the you
can in football.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's a certain amount of games. I
can't remember what the threshold is. I can do a
little bit. It's like it's probably like a third of
the games or something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it'd be interesting to see if anybody is, if
they're able to bring anybody back.
Speaker 2: But well, that's it. It's February and you.
Speaker 4: Would think at this point if they if they were
able to, they could play.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. So I just don't see it happening.
Speaker 2: What they got, Yeah, what they got, I think the
only individual would be kJ Perry and uh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I no point to burn that. Yeah, I just
don't think so shout out to to val Hale.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he brought up Mark Wilson, you know in his
eric stepping up and uh and say val.
Speaker 4: Hale, so why don't you bring up Chris Hale? Remember
remember Chris is touchdown.
Speaker 5: Okay, I don't know if that came off an injury,
but he came in and got that amazing touchdown.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was such one of those blazing fast young
men that one.
Speaker 4: Of those from Aura.
Speaker 5: I wish I could have been in his shoes for
that one catch in that game.
Speaker 2: But he also mentions Ryan Hancock too, Ryan Hancock coming
off the bench.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's what I'm saying, like, more often than not,
you're seeing like an injury to a quarterback or there's
some player attrician and it's a quarterback that steps up,
a backup to become a hero.
Speaker 1: And it's and it's an immediate thing.
Speaker 2: It's a and at least right now, you have an
off season to plan for it, right, you have an
off season with Parker. It's like, Hey, Kyler, you're going
to be that guy. Hey, you're gonna be that Cody Hagen?
Are you going to be that guy?
Speaker 4: You know, Cody's got all everything? Probably that guy. Yeah,
everything there.
Speaker 5: And I think I think the one thing with Cody
that I saw he's super fast, super quick, great hands.
I felt like he just needed to be more physical, right,
He got more. He got physical around a little bit.
I mean, granted he come up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but he's got to put on some some lean
dust match right right.
Speaker 5: It's either But to me, the physality of football is
you're either physical, well you're not, right, And some guys
are physical players all the time and some guys are
more of a finesse. But he kind of comes across
more of a finesse. I like to see the receivers
that have a physical side to him that it's just
I'm gonna go out there and rip this guy's head.
I'm blocking this guy, I'm gonna rip his head off.
As a receiver. A lot of us, as receivers, don't
have more of a finesse, like I'm gonna get in
the guy's way and I'm gonna make.
Speaker 2: Sure you he's a floater though, And by that though,
I'll give you my analysis of this, Like I've bodied
up enough human beings in sport and to know whether
it was wrestling, basketball, football, If you have light bone
structure and you have a lot of tendon, you you're
a You're a floater. You blied and you get knocked
off pretty like I remember running against guys that were
faster than me.
Speaker 1: They were floaters.
Speaker 2: If I could knock them off the route in that
initial five, they just never get back up to that
the top end speed they can. I can reroute them
through hand placement, through hitting the wrist. Their floaters. And
it's like, if you like the reason why pukin the
Coup is so good at contested catches, you know, he's
a pretty he's he's not like overly big, you know,
or like and I'm sure in the weight room he
probably pushes good weight, but he's not like a weight
room guy.
Speaker 1: But he's so dang.
Speaker 4: Dense aggressively attacks.
Speaker 2: But he's dense, dude, he is, He's thick, his lower
he's got a he stays grounded through contact because his
body weight is probably mostly in his lower half, so
he he fights through contact a whole lot better than others.
Speaker 5: But you could still be fit. You could be a
floater and still be physical.
Speaker 2: How many floaters do you know that we're we're like
truly physical though, give me an.
Speaker 5: Example that was their game, wasn't that? But if you
add that to your game, But it's mental. I think,
I think the physicality of football has so much mental
to it and a lot of a lot of the
floater kind of.
Speaker 4: But they're trying to avoid contact.
Speaker 2: Well, it's like, to me, like a good example of
like how physical would Deshaun Jackson. Maybe physical enough, but
that guy was so freaking fashion couldn't touch him. So
like even like you have to be so fast, Cody
has to be so fast that he can't be touched. Parker,
to his credit, became like I felt like he kind
of got early on his career was more of a floater,
but then he was able to fight through contactcause you
got more dense. So like I think, I mean, Cody's
got to get more dnse in the lower half. He's
got to put on and and some of that could be.
Like it's almost like body building type of lifts in
conjunction with your pliometric lifts, because you have to put
on some lean muscle mass through bodybuilding ecentric concentric loading.
Speaker 5: Get a penalty, Go get a penalty, Go go go
take somebody's head.
Speaker 4: Can I can I jump in there?
Speaker 2: I don't know if I don't know if Cody's ever
gonna be that Like physically, he's you know, he's more
likely to become a DeShawn Jackson type. I'm not saying
he is DeShawn Jackson, you know, with quickness and speed
and and being fleet of.
Speaker 1: Foot, like Regie Bush was not overly physical.
Speaker 2: He's just so freaking fast and quick like in college,
like he just couldn't be touched. But when you get
him like he was overly physical, would like fight through
a whole lot. So but yeah, I mean, look, I
want we all want Pukahs, we all want Austin Collies.
Even Dax Milne was just a body guy. You throw
them all and he knew how to position his body
where the depend he could fight through some good contact
and that's why he became a punt return in the NFL.
Play Yeah, Faishika Hema was not fast. He was extremely
quick and fought through contact. Right, Ronald, you wanted to
chime in real quick.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I just wanted to say this like I'm
running out of it. I don't want to does not
excuse us the wrong word. But things for Cody because
been having played rugby, they took Cody dudes and they
would go in the offseason, they come back. I'm like,
oh goodness, greatious, Like they would turn in the Parker
like fixed so and that's what. Like we had Sam Roberts,
who's a guy that was like one of the fastest
track dudes. Like that dude, the muscle he put on
and when he kept his speed and started moving. So
I'm like, I don't know what Olympic Cody needs to do,
but if he wants to come to me with the gym, like, bro,
you gotta eat six thousand calories and you gotta lift crazy,
because that's the thing. Once he gets muscle, then it'll
become like what you know, PK and other fast guys
Deshaun wa But he can't just maneuver like you. Benny
poke him and he falls over and it's like gotta
be you gotta be physical. He's got to do something.
And that's where I think Jared's points of I like
taina cool because physical puts on the muscles. So we'll see.
But I would like to see Cody Hagen. They got
some guys in this room. But you gotta put on
the muscle. You gotta put it on.
Speaker 4: Yep, yep, I agree with that.
Speaker 3: Ben, real quick, you talked about red shirt games in
basketball year old.
Speaker 1: Oh zero, you can't you can't play.
Speaker 4: Wow. Wow, that's that's insane. That's why they want to
turn it. Thanks for bringing that out. Yeah, yeah, you're not.
Speaker 2: Just pulled it up to one minute in one game
that years used.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's somebody needs to vote on that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: You can get a medical you can get the hardship
waiver after playing it more than thirty.
Speaker 1: Percent of the team's games though.
Speaker 2: Okay, so that's where I mean Richie's played games. Riches
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