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former by great, the Brazilian bomber. We got Jonathan Tabinari

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j T four to three. What's happening, brother?

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Speaker 3: It's basketball season. We don't hear much about football, and

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you know it's happened to me.

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Speaker 4: Ben No, it's uh, it is not the most wonderful

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time of the year.

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Speaker 2: I feel like the most wonderful time of years when

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football and basketball come together. And I know you're more

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of a proponent of March madness. I mean, we're not

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too far away from March madness right now, and this

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billion basketball team seems to be trending in the right direction.

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It's it was fun to watch AJ go off and

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we see his ceiling, we see his potential. Let's break

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down his performance from your purview, from your from your pulpit,

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if you will, What stood out to you about that

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forty burger that AJ dropped on the utes.

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Speaker 3: Well, first of all, if you can see his ceiling,

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you're a better person than I am, because I don't

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see a ceiling yet. Yeah, I uh, you know, as

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Michael Jordan eloquently said at North Carolina, the ceiling is

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the roof to an open uh to an open stadium.

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J And uh, you know, I don't think he's even

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scratching the surface of everything that he's capable of. I

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think he has flashes flashes of greatness, which is beyond scary,

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which means that he's still getting better, right And uh,

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you know, he hasn't developed a great three point shot.

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You know, first game in his career that he made three,

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that's his personal record of you know, going four for

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five in a game. And uh, you know, I don't

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think that he is anywhere near being, you know, to

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a situation where he's just head and shoulders consistent with

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his dribbling, his playing to pick and roll, and so

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if anything, right now, you know, it's scary because AJ

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is only getting better, right and so, but that performance

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was incredible. You know, it reminds me a lot when

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Kobe dropped eighty one. And I don't know how much

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you remember of that band. I know that Ron and

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I have talked about it a lot, but like when

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he comes to that game, like the Lakers needed every

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single point of Kobe's eighty one because they were losing

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to the Raptors. Raphael or Rougeo, our homeboy, was actually

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at that game with the Raptors when Kobe was going off,

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and so, you know, fun, fun little tidbit over there.

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But like just like that, b why you needed AJ's

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every single point to win that game. Now, they probably

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could have subbed him out a little bit sooner, but

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again with the way that Utah was just shooting the

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lights out. I mean, Utah shot, you know, around sixty

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percent from the three point line, and so you needed

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every little bit of AJ that you could get. And

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you know what an amazing player. You know, My favorite

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thing about him is just how humble he is, and uh,

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you know, I think he's going to accomplish a lot,

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and uh, you know, it is amazing and a blessing

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that that he is a cougar, no.

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Speaker 4: Doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: It's good to send the Utah with another loss to

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and over season. What does it mean to beat Utah

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this year on their court and on our home court.

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Speaker 3: Not much? And so, you know, I think aside from

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the fact that you know, you beat Utah and you

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beat your rival, there's not much that you can kind

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fact that by U played Utah and was able to

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win that game and win I don't want to say handily,

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but one of the you know, one with a fair

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amount of a fair amount of uh of success. They

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were able to do it with Utah, you know, having

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an incredible shooting night. He Usually when a team shoots

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that well for the three point line, it's difficult to

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beat them, and so but Buyu was able to do it. Uy,

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you played well, played great, you know, uh. It was

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incredible to see, you know, Hadem uh Hadem played the

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way he did for him to be able to get

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their reps the way he did. And you know, he

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literally and essentially in essence locked down one through five

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at that game. He was that good defensively, and so

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that game. But I think Utah is one and six

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in conference, and yes it is the Big twelve, the

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best basketball conference in the country. But nonetheless, you know,

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that's a team that that it's getting better if they're

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able to retain some of the talent they have this year.

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I think Utah, you know, has uh had the chance

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to finish in the top top half of the league

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next year. And so, you know, but onto bigger things,

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and you know, let's reveal this this game of Arizona tonight.

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Speaker 2: Look, by U basketball is talented, they are deep, Uh,

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they are well coached.

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Speaker 4: What has to happen denied in order to beat the

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U of A Wildcats.

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Speaker 3: I mean, Ben, I'm gonna disagree with you. They're not deep.

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And so they are very very very very very talented.

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This team is not deep, right, I mean we've talked

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about at length with you know, Nate Dickens and Dustin

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Baker going down. You know, Alexei Costitch has been very

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much disappointing this year. You know, Mahilo just hasn't shown

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up and progressed the way I think we all hoped

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he would. And so you know, the the the you know,

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the the burden is heavy on Robert Ray the third

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and Richie Saunders and Ajd Bonsa and so you know,

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seventy five points or more for by U two wins

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to night.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this, uh, this team is is facing Is this

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gonna be their toughest challenge or do you think I

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still think it's the Yukon game or the Texas Tech

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game on the road.

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Speaker 3: Uh? No, I would definitely say you just put me

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on the spot. Well, because here's.

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Speaker 2: The thing, right, I mean, the number one team in

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the country, right, it's on your home court though.

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Speaker 3: And that's the thing, right. I mean, you know, could

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we really say that they lost of Texastack was a

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fluke when Texas Tack played the way they played against Houston.

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Tech because again, you know, they they truly you know,

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gave Houston the business. And so you know, it's definitely

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a bigger game than Yukon on a neutral site, that's

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for sure. Let's split the difference, Ben, And let's just

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say that it's probably you know, the most important game

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in BYU history at the Marriotte Center.

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Speaker 2: It's massive, all lies on BYU US versus U of AID.

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season that you played in and what was the crowd like? JT,

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how do you get up for a game like this

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when or how do you kind of stay composed rather

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in a game like this when you know that like

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all the pressure and all the eyeballs are on your

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team to win.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, so I would say that the biggest game

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in my career was probably you know, the round of

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thirty two of the NCAA Tournament, right, I mean, we

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had a chance to go to the sweet sixteen and

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we weren't able to beat Kansas State. You know. Aside

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from that, I'll probably say that the second biggest game

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of my career was probably my senior night when we

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lost to New Mexico by one or two points. You know,

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almost twenty three thousand people were at that game, and uh,

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you know, had we won that game, I would have

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been the first player in BYU history to win four

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consecutive conference championships and now I have to split that.

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You know that that that title. We have a couple

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of guys from the nineteen thirties who won you know,

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the Mountain Conference back then and thirty thirty one and

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thirty two, and so you know, that was probably the

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big the second biggause gear of my career. But the

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one that I remember the most, man, and I think

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you you might as well, is the one we played

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wake Forest at home. And you know, that game was surreal,

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you know, twenty three like almost twenty three thousand people

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at that game. It was deafening, and you know, we

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had a chance. And the one thing that I that

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number seven in the country and we were like seventeen

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or nineteen or something like that. You know, the one

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thing that I will say is, you know, we actually

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had a seven point lead or a point It wasn't nine.

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to what buy you had against Texas Tack. But it

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was on the road. But we headed at the Marriott

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Center and then we had four empty possessions in a

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row with getting with us also getting a stop that

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we could have pushed the lead to over ten, and

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we just didn't capitalize on that. And then waite Forest

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made their run and they tied the game, and literally

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three possessions after that with us, you know, we hit

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about five or six possessions without scoring. And so that's

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the biggest thing, right, I mean, Arizona's good, Arizona's great,

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Arizona's solid, Arizona's Buyu is going to have their runs.

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know to contain you know, are is b a you

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able to contain Arizona's runs and then be able to

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capitalize and maximize the runs that buy you go through? Right?

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Tommy Lloyd is an incredible coach, and so you already

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know that if Yu makes one three in a row

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or have a couple of five points in a row

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and Arizona's just having empty possessions, He's gonna call a

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time out. And you know, the Merrick Center is like

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a kicking bomb right now, right, it's just waiting to

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explode and go off. You know, I think it is

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probably the biggest basketball game in the world today. Big

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Monday's back from France Sheila's in the house live game

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on ESPN. You know you're probably gonna have about fifty

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NBA scouts over there at that game today. You know

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which kind of rivals, Uh, Jimmer senior year when Jimmer

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played uh San Diego State at w U y U

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and my junior year when we played wait Forest at home.

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Speaker 1: And so.

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Speaker 3: You know it is going to be one for the ages.

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And uh, you know, I'm I'm happy that I get

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to be a part of and watch it live over there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Uh, it's gonna be a special night at

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the Mary Center. BAYU fans is gonna show up, show

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out and be loud and proud and rise and shout,

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no doubt about it. Jonathan Tebinar here on ESPN The

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Fan a little college basketball segment, Uh and uh discussing

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some of the keys to the game. You mentioned a

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number of them. Rob Wright has been I think tremendous.

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Speaker 2: He's been so consistent. The Todd King has had some

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Does Rob have another breakout performance versus this U of

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a team tonight, I don't know.

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personally think that you know, U B YU just needs

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all three of them, right I you know, I don't

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want to take anything away that just wob but I

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feel like, I kids, you're not being I've been looking

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at the numbers all day. I'm excited for the game,

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got a little bit of a you know, a cold,

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cold feeling in my tummy. I you know, just excited

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to be there and just the crowd go wild. I

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think DYU not only against not only would Robert Wright,

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but I think they just by just needs the big

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three to break three. You know, I think that if

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if Rob scores less than twenty points tonight, then you know,

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he needs to have at least ten to twelve assists

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because that means that AJ and Richie are both getting

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twenty five thirty plus between both of them, and so

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you know, I think Rob is figuring out that he

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can impact the game in different ways rather than scoring.

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getting to the rim is going to be key. On

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a half court I'll probably you know, be a little

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bit more deferring to AJ and his ability to score

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with Richie's ability to catch and shoot and attack off

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the dribble. To your point, you know, like this team's

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this Arizona team, it looks like a low level NBA team,

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extremely high level euro League team right where they're along.

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They're athletic, they played the right way. You know, they

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just have some players that are in contention to be

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Player of the Year. I mean, it's an incredible team, right,

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number one in NET, number one. I don't know if

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you guys have from the top of your head, but

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it's number one in NET, number one in ranking. And

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there's another stat that they are number one as well.

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it's it's a scary team, right and and BUYU just

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historically has never gotten those teams in the Marriott Center

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into now. And then let's thing that I will share.

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Before the season started, we were all talking about Houston

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being the number one team in the country at that point,

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you know, and it just goes to show how strong

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the Big twelve is.

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Speaker 2: B YU basketball. You mentioned I you corrected me. This

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team is not deep. It has the potential to be deep.

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I really like Mihailo Boskovik, I like, I really like

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the potential of Abdullah Akhamedbidu.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 2: This team can find some depth. I think down the stretch,

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I'm looking at those two bigs tonight and saying, Hey,

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if you're gonna have a breakout night, now is the

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time to do it. Mihailo or Abdulah. What do you

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expect from those two guys tonight?

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Speaker 3: Well, from Abdulah, think it's gonna be a big game, right,

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I mean you're gonna have to fight fire with fire

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and uh and then be able to you know, be

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able to get get get Keba in a position where uh,

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you know he is not the only one, you know,

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just kind of being asked to do so much, right

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because you know he's very athletic and very very physical,

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but none of the last you know, height matters, right,

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and that's kind of a big thing, right, Height really matters.

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And so will you know beat O be a be

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a factor? I definitely hope so, because I think Buyu

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needs it a lot. Mahilo, I still keep wishing that

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Mahilo would figure out how to be able to score

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more right, And what I mean by that is I

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wish Mohilo would be a little bit more consistent with

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his catching and shooting, you know, as just an area

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that BUIU is lacking. They are you know, they are

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needing it like manna in the desert, like water in

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the desert, and nobody has really stepped up to the plate.

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You know. I would love for Tyler Maruss to kind

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of have a breakout game today and be able to like,

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you know, just have a lot of success against against

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this you know, against this U of a team. I

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just you know, it has been a while since either

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of those two have had a three to four uh

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you know, three point shots made game. Today would be

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the perfect day to kind of break Collager slump. You know,

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like Tyler marrass shotting around thirty percent on last ROM three.

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That's just unacceptable. He was literally brought here to be

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a shooter and not to do it. It's it's difficult

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not to have that. And so Halo has been very

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consistent on defense, which you know, it's again it's a

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great thing. It's a it's an it's an incredible thing,

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you know, but it's definitely one of those things that

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b YU needs more of it, especially during the offensive end.

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Speaker 4: Do you feel like they.

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Speaker 2: They misevaluated Tyler Morass a bit, maybe missed on that

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particular acquisition.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think that they've done that. I

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think this is I you know, as much as I

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hope it's not a controversial thing for me to say,

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I think this is more on Tyler than anything else.

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You know, like you can see almost like the mental

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blocker of it. When he getses the ball. It's not

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a Hey, I'm gonna get my shot off. I'm gonna

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shoot shoot, shoot shoot, you know. To me, it's more

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of a you know, Tyler just hasn't found his groove,

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which is you know, which is again, it's unfortunate because

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this team needs exactly what he does.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Tabnari, Ladies and gentlemen talking BYU basketball, It'll be

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a sold out crowd tonight, all eyes on b YU

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versus U of A, and should be one for the ages.

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Right now, ag De Bonsa is trending past Danny Ainge,

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arguably the goat of BYU basketball as a as a freshman,

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broke his record of a single game performance by a

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freshman versus Utah and a rollery game. And I know

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Danny's a competitor, but I'm sure he's happy to pass

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the baton to AJ to Bonsa.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, you know, I would argue and say, look,

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there's a lot of things to consider, right you and

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I talked about this last week. You know, I would say,

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you know, jim Or could be considered a growth the goat.

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I would say, Krashiman Chilsch as the only hall of

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fame you know, could be considered to go. And so

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I think, uh, you know, Aj is you know, AJ

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is literally one in a one in a million. The

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fact that he got to come to BUYU, I think

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we should all just be excited that we got to

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witness this, you know. And and it's one of those

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things that flat that he's on our team.

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Speaker 5: You know, he he rises to the occasion, and uh

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interested to see how he's going to rise to the

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occasion tonight, because buy U certainly needs him to be really,

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really good and.

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Speaker 3: To get to the level that they need to be.

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Speaker 2: Jonathan Devenard, Ladies and gentlemen, see you down there at

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the marriage Center.

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Speaker 4: JT.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for hopping on for another b YU basketball segment,

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and you know what, let's get a like.

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Speaker 3: Let's see we can get together this game finally, you

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know what I mean? Like you me and Raw Raw

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like we you know, I know that I have my

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duties on pre and post game. But you know it's

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been a minute because I've seen you man.

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Speaker 2: I you know, you never want to ever since COVID,

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Ever since COVID, and we haven't been hanging out as

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much in person.

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Speaker 4: COVID ruined our relationship.

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Speaker 3: Since Covids, we both got married, you know, like our

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priority you know, you know, we gotta get a tag

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team backs again.

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Speaker 2: My guy, Yeah, buddy, no, I'm gonna I'm gonna try

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to make it down my wife during My wife says,

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you know, oh, football season, you yeah.

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Speaker 4: Go to all the games because there's only six of them.

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Speaker 2: Basketball season. Uh, She's like, yeah, let Ronald go, let Ronnie.

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I'm like, all right, you know, let let Ronnie go.

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Ronald loves hoop. Uh go ahead.

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Speaker 3: It sounds like it sounds like it sounds it sounds

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like miss missus Criddle forgets that she comes from Vegas,

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where it's a real basketball town.

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Speaker 4: So it's true.

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Speaker 3: She's got she's gotting doctor Nada with Yu with Yu football, So.

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Speaker 4: No doubt about it, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 3: J T.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate you, man, love you. Thanks for hopping on.

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Speaker 3: Today as always go Kub's they go.

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Speaker 3: How you doing?

473
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,400
Speaker 6: I'm driving this game?

474
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 4: I know, man, I am too.

475
00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:05,079
Speaker 2: This basketball season has been fun, no doubt about it.

476
00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:08,480
You look at the most formidable folks, obviously yukonell on

477
00:24:08,599 --> 00:24:10,799
the road in a neutral site that kind of was

478
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,400
a home game for them with being so close to

479
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:13,799
their home.

480
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:15,640
Speaker 4: You get Texas Tech on the road. That was a

481
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,000
tough one.

482
00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:18,599
Speaker 2: We saw what Texas Tech did to Houston. They got

483
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,720
them on their home court. So that's not a bad

484
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:23,880
loss when you really you know, chok it all up.

485
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:25,559
We knew it wasn't gonna be a bad loss. But

486
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,160
you begin to feel a little bit better about that loss.

487
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,559
Now you have U of A at home. Where would

488
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:31,759
you rank out this U of A game? It's the

489
00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:34,039
number one team of the country. You're at home. How

490
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:36,359
difficult will it be from you know, is this the

491
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,519
most difficult game BYU's faced all season?

492
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:40,880
Speaker 3: I think so.

493
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:43,279
Speaker 6: It's because it's the number one seam in the country, right,

494
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,160
I mean, obviously the Yukon game was unique because it

495
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,079
was cross country travel. You were down two starters when

496
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:52,799
Caba got hurt pretty pretty early in the game. It's

497
00:24:52,799 --> 00:24:54,519
it's pretty much a whole game for Yukon. But at

498
00:24:54,519 --> 00:24:56,079
the same time, this is the number one team in

499
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:58,119
the country coming to Provo. I mean that that has

500
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:04,039
happened once before, when when Gonzaga came in twenty seventeen. Yes,

501
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,240
or it's probably I think it's happened a couple other times,

502
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,400
but it hasn't happened in almost ten years. There's a

503
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,400
stigma that comes with playing the top team in the country.

504
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:15,160
And at the same time too, like that Yukon game,

505
00:25:15,720 --> 00:25:18,279
obviously that was a big national window fox, but it

506
00:25:18,319 --> 00:25:21,640
was also college football weekend. Might have flown under the

507
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,240
radar nationally, but this is like this, this has some buzz,

508
00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:27,039
is like the game of the week. This is the

509
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,359
number one team versus the number one player in the country.

510
00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:33,279
Arizona hasn't played in a place like Provo yet in

511
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,559
the Big twelve schedule, this is going to be a

512
00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:38,359
real test for both teams. And I mean, if YA

513
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:40,480
gets a win night, we got to be talking about

514
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:44,400
possibly the best win in program history. Would be just unprecedented.

515
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, what needs that happen in order to get a

516
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:48,559
win tonight? Do you think at the marriage center for

517
00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:49,160
this team?

518
00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean Arizona they don't rely some on the three,

519
00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:56,799
so they do a lot of damage inside. So I

520
00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:00,279
think Ba's got to really defend the paint. Well, you're

521
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:04,440
gonna need obviously Keva and Ahmed recently they've they've done

522
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,200
a good job protecting the rim and just having them

523
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:10,160
down there is such a such a positive presence for

524
00:26:10,519 --> 00:26:12,920
Uyu's defense. But I think you're gonna need to see

525
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,839
aj And and Richie and whoever else might start. I mean,

526
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,920
I don't know if new Davis is gonna start start tonight,

527
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,480
but if he doesn't, whoever they throw in there, whether

528
00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:23,920
it's Boop or Boskovic, We're gonna need to see some

529
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,960
toughness from this YA team because it's a really big

530
00:26:26,079 --> 00:26:28,279
Arizona team. Like I said, they do a lot of

531
00:26:28,319 --> 00:26:30,599
work down low by is gonna have to offer some

532
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,440
resistance in the paint area. And at the same time,

533
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,119
I think you're gonna need a big Richie game like AJ.

534
00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:37,759
You can count on him for twenty five a night,

535
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:39,759
it feels like, especially after he just dropped forty three

536
00:26:39,799 --> 00:26:42,599
at Utah against Utah. But and Rob is kind of

537
00:26:42,599 --> 00:26:44,680
the steadying presence of this team. He always gives you.

538
00:26:44,759 --> 00:26:47,279
But Richie, it's been a little feast or famine with him,

539
00:26:47,319 --> 00:26:49,559
and more much more feast than famine. I should say.

540
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:52,160
He's averaging close to nineteen points a game, but he

541
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,480
isn't shooting great in Big twelve play, and it would

542
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,200
just be great to see him have a legacy night.

543
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:59,880
Obviously he's the villain and on Arizona side from last

544
00:27:00,039 --> 00:27:01,440
year's game when he hit the free throws to win.

545
00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:03,559
But you're gonna need to see a twenty piece or

546
00:27:03,599 --> 00:27:05,400
more from Richie to get BYU the win tonight.

547
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this, AJ went off right forty

548
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:11,640
three points saw a freshman record.

549
00:27:11,759 --> 00:27:15,039
Speaker 4: Obviously, I think you you followed pretty closely.

550
00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:18,680
Speaker 2: The Jimmermania era h and I got to watch that

551
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,880
not probably up close end also from Afar. Will anything

552
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,839
ever match jimmer Mania. Is there anything that AJ can

553
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,319
do to match the one, the only Jimmermania year.

554
00:27:31,759 --> 00:27:34,920
Speaker 6: Man, I Jimmermania was just so one of one, you know,

555
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:37,720
like it was just we all knew Jimmer was an

556
00:27:37,720 --> 00:27:40,039
All American type coming into the season, but for him,

557
00:27:40,599 --> 00:27:43,279
just the way that he played and just he had

558
00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:45,759
this hypnotic jump shot that just caught you in a

559
00:27:45,839 --> 00:27:49,000
trance right, like it just it was from like I

560
00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,519
was ten years old going on eleven when when Jimmer

561
00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:53,720
was in his senior year. And for me, the thing

562
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,160
that really resonated about Jimmer is he didn't he wasn't

563
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,039
the greatest athlete, Like he didn't have a Greek god physique.

564
00:27:59,799 --> 00:28:02,319
Speaker 3: He looked like you and me then, like She's.

565
00:28:02,119 --> 00:28:04,279
Speaker 6: Just kind of a normal looking dude doing incredible things

566
00:28:04,319 --> 00:28:06,599
on the basketball court. So it gave you hope, like, hey,

567
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,640
I can do things incredible things in my life too.

568
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,960
Whereas AJ is a freak of nature. This is one

569
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,799
of the best athletes to ever play at BYU. He's

570
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:15,599
he should be playing in the NBA right now, but

571
00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:18,440
he's bracing our presence here in Provo. So I think,

572
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:23,799
I mean, clearly, the better, the more magical year has

573
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:26,160
to be Jim Er just because you can't even explain it,

574
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,720
just some of those some of those games, and just

575
00:28:27,759 --> 00:28:30,799
the national attention that he caught and just it was

576
00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:32,759
it was a viral phenomenon, right, I mean, when was

577
00:28:32,759 --> 00:28:35,960
the last time college basketball was just so caught?

578
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:36,319
Speaker 3: When?

579
00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,119
Speaker 6: And when was last time the entire college basketball world

580
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:42,519
fell so in love with one person, maybe Zion in

581
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:45,240
twenty eighteen with Duke. But I mean, it's it's it's

582
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:48,039
tough to replicate what Jimmer did and AJ two. Like,

583
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,960
I think there's this reverence for AJ where, you know,

584
00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:53,880
he's the number one pick, he's the he's the top

585
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:57,559
player in the country. It's it's not a surprise anymore

586
00:28:57,599 --> 00:29:00,559
when Byu has the superstar because of what Kevin Youung building.

587
00:29:00,599 --> 00:29:03,160
You know, we just by he just had a lottery

588
00:29:03,240 --> 00:29:05,960
pick in Diegor Demon and they went to the Sweetest

589
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,400
teen and so and AJ has been rumored and then

590
00:29:08,799 --> 00:29:10,480
on his way for such a long time, and so

591
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,680
obviously AJ is the better player. I don't think anybody's

592
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,319
gonna deny that. And I think, you know, if Aja

593
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:18,160
takes pay to a Final four, if he wins the

594
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,039
Naysmith Player of the Year, Award, we can revisit this conversation.

595
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,960
But just the magic and just the it was like

596
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:27,000
a Disney movie with Jimmer, you know, It's just everything

597
00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:31,079
about that year was just so just magical. I mean,

598
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:32,680
I keep using that word over and over again. As

599
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,960
a writer, I wish I had more adjective than and

600
00:29:35,039 --> 00:29:37,559
better descriptive words, because you know, I get paid to

601
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:40,240
think of words, But just I'm at a loss for

602
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:41,680
words with with that Jimmer year, it was just so

603
00:29:41,799 --> 00:29:42,119
much fun.

604
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:43,119
Speaker 3: It was such an.

605
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 6: Incredible year, and just the magic of that year won't

606
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,279
be replicated. But like I said, if Byu goes to

607
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,319
the final four, if AJ does some incredible things in

608
00:29:49,359 --> 00:29:51,200
the tournament and down the stretch in the season, we

609
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:54,559
can revisit that conversation because it all starts tonight, right

610
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,160
this is fifteen years to the day of Jummer taking

611
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,680
down San Diego State at the Merriage Center. Most electric

612
00:29:59,799 --> 00:30:01,599
night in the history of the Merritt Center. And so

613
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,000
if you want to get to one night, I mean,

614
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:05,279
maybe maybe we have another incredible amastur on our hands.

615
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,960
Speaker 2: Man, it would be it would be awesome. I was there,

616
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:12,400
I beheld the greatness of Jim Ormania in that game

617
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,039
when he dropped forty three. It's truly an iconic and

618
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,720
singular time for BYU fans everywhere, college basketball fans everywhere.

619
00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:25,279
It was it was awesome to watch still emblazoned, you know,

620
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:28,799
just in my mind never you know, it's kind of

621
00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:35,799
this indelible imprint, a memory that is is eternal, it seems.

622
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,119
Speaker 4: Let's talk some football here for a monent.

623
00:30:38,359 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 2: Now, I'm gonna ask you this question here, Like I

624
00:30:40,119 --> 00:30:43,400
was just reviewing seeing what you've been talking about on Twitter, Jackson,

625
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:47,599
Congratulations to Tyler Huntley on no longer being the worst

626
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:48,960
Pro Bowl quarterback in history.

627
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:49,920
Speaker 4: Sources.

628
00:30:50,119 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: Brown's quarterback Shorter Center has been added to the Pro

629
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:54,599
Bowl roster. It's about five hours regard as a replacement

630
00:30:55,119 --> 00:30:57,680
Sanders of the first fifth round rookie to make a

631
00:30:57,799 --> 00:30:59,319
Pro Bowl since Puka Nakua.

632
00:30:59,599 --> 00:31:01,920
Speaker 4: Have you ever see any hate mail from Utah fans

633
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:02,720
after this tweet?

634
00:31:05,039 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 2: I'll give you one guess, ah, Yes, Look, uh, I

635
00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:12,000
mean I don't know often.

636
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:14,359
Speaker 3: Even I mean, Ben, you know me.

637
00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,160
Speaker 6: I'm not a troll. I'm not trying to poke the bear.

638
00:31:16,279 --> 00:31:20,240
But in NFL circles, it's widely known that Tyler Humley

639
00:31:20,319 --> 00:31:23,400
is the worst Pro Bowl quarterback ever, Like he threw

640
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,400
two touchdowns and four picks that year he started like

641
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:27,519
two games and shad like.

642
00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:30,279
Speaker 3: I mean, look, I'm not a Schadar guy.

643
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:34,039
Speaker 6: I've never had been. I enjoyed watching BYU blow the

644
00:31:34,079 --> 00:31:36,000
brakes off of him in Colorado and the Alamo bole,

645
00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:38,039
But like, what are we doing here with the Pro Bowl?

646
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 3: H Man?

647
00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 2: I think Sean merriman former former NFL gray and he

648
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:46,559
was surrounded by a little bit of controversy. I think

649
00:31:46,559 --> 00:31:49,000
it is uh in his latter years in the NFL.

650
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,160
But I mean he took the twitters like, man, he

651
00:31:51,279 --> 00:31:53,240
used to mean something to go to the Pro Ball.

652
00:31:53,319 --> 00:31:55,799
Now it's uh, now it doesn't mean the thing. But

653
00:31:56,799 --> 00:31:59,920
I was just like, if I tweeted that out, I

654
00:32:00,319 --> 00:32:03,640
would people would be calling for my job Jackson paid.

655
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:04,480
Speaker 4: I kid you not.

656
00:32:04,559 --> 00:32:08,119
Speaker 2: They'd be calling Broadway, ESPN saying you need to fire him.

657
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:11,960
He's a racist, he's a bigot. Like I it looks

658
00:32:12,039 --> 00:32:14,799
it looks like they're just kind of commenting on the

659
00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:15,440
on the feed.

660
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:18,119
Speaker 4: They're not. They're not asking you to be fired for

661
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:18,799
such a tweet.

662
00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:22,759
Speaker 6: Right, No, I mean I think people know we journalists

663
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:23,480
need our jobs.

664
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 3: Table.

665
00:32:26,039 --> 00:32:28,359
Speaker 6: They're taking city on me. But at the same time, like, look,

666
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,359
I'm not dumb, like I knew you saw fans would

667
00:32:30,359 --> 00:32:32,119
take it personally, But at the same time, like I'm

668
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:34,799
not trying to rile them up, like it's it's a compliment.

669
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:36,880
You know, I'm saying that Tyler Huntley's better than ben

670
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:38,079
A Sanders.

671
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:38,519
Speaker 3: They should be.

672
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:39,359
Speaker 4: They should be.

673
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 6: Looking at it the other way. I don't know what

674
00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:41,559
the doom and gloom is on there.

675
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:41,799
Speaker 3: Ends.

676
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:45,759
Speaker 2: Well, they're still reeling from the back to back losses

677
00:32:45,839 --> 00:32:48,039
to the BAU basketball team, you know.

678
00:32:48,599 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 4: Still they're trying to find their way.

679
00:32:50,519 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 2: Do you think they're convinced that they're going to be

680
00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:56,079
just as good or better with Morgan Scalley at the

681
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,599
Helm and Kyleeningham leaving and taking many coaches and many

682
00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:00,960
foot ball players with him.

683
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:03,720
Speaker 4: Dan Harbor, I.

684
00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:07,039
Speaker 6: Mean, look, you see some of the more confident and

685
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:11,799
outspoken voices on social media. I mean, I just think

686
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:13,920
the most realistic of fans would have to think, like, Okay,

687
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:16,880
Kyle Whdingham is the best coach Util's ever had. He

688
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:19,319
had an unprecedented run at a I mean, the fact

689
00:33:19,359 --> 00:33:20,880
that he stayed at Utah as long as he did

690
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,880
is really impressive and admirable. I mean, for everything about

691
00:33:24,319 --> 00:33:28,440
Winningham that that BYU fans dislike and whatever the reasons

692
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:30,759
may be, just you got to show the respect that

693
00:33:30,839 --> 00:33:33,000
he was at Utah for twenty plus years, like that's

694
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:35,240
to do that in this day and age is really admirable.

695
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,880
And obviously he went to Michigan, he took everything with him,

696
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:40,920
So I think people aren't gonna be willing to maybe

697
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:43,519
look at that perspective right now. But I don't know,

698
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,039
Man Scalley's never been a head coach. It's a tough

699
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:49,279
it's a tough transition obviously, Like you look at Kilanie.

700
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,039
When Kilani got hired at BYU, he had never been

701
00:33:52,079 --> 00:33:53,880
a head coach before, and so that was it took

702
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,759
him a while and maybe you know, knock off some

703
00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:00,920
of the the the early head coach rust if I mean,

704
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,559
for lack of a better term, like you've got to

705
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:04,039
grow into that position. You know, that's probably a better

706
00:34:04,039 --> 00:34:06,839
way of putting it. And so Scally, I mean, it's

707
00:34:06,880 --> 00:34:08,440
just it's just a matter of how he grows into that.

708
00:34:08,519 --> 00:34:10,480
And sometimes you know, guys take the mantle and they

709
00:34:10,559 --> 00:34:12,480
run with it like like Whittingham did twenty years ago.

710
00:34:12,559 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 3: But I don't know.

711
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 6: It'll be really interesting to see.

712
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:15,519
Speaker 3: And I just I don't know.

713
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,800
Speaker 6: It's not a great roster coming back for them this year.

714
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,159
It was a really senior heavy group and Whittingham's taken

715
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:23,440
a lot of their best players, and so it would

716
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,519
be a really cool sports story if if Scali was

717
00:34:26,559 --> 00:34:28,519
able to rally the troops and go eight and four

718
00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:32,480
and defy expectations. And you know, I think when when

719
00:34:32,480 --> 00:34:35,960
you play for a program and you coach there forever

720
00:34:36,039 --> 00:34:39,320
like he is Utah football, and so if you can

721
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,199
pap into that and some of that passion, I mean,

722
00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:44,480
maybe it can go either way, right, I mean sometimes

723
00:34:44,519 --> 00:34:46,920
it's a disaster. Sometimes it works great, as you see

724
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,880
was like Kalani, And so I don't know. It's I'm

725
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:52,159
not optistic about Utah next year obviously, anytime do why

726
00:34:52,199 --> 00:34:53,920
you played in Salt Lake is gonna be a tough test.

727
00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 3: But I just I don't see.

728
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 6: I think I think Utah got like I mean, maybe

729
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:01,199
and eight and four re ceiling next year, and if

730
00:35:01,559 --> 00:35:03,519
that's being generous, but we'll see. You never know what

731
00:35:03,519 --> 00:35:06,000
happens in the portal and maybe maybe Devin Dampier is

732
00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:08,119
the heightsman that a Utah fans think you is.

733
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:15,280
Speaker 2: Where's the rivalry at from your your vantage point? Obviously, football,

734
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:19,360
they've won three in a row. It seems like they're

735
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,159
trending in very much the right direction. Basketball, they got

736
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,199
to this year, but they've lost their their fair share

737
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,960
at the Huntsman there was a little bit of a uh,

738
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:31,400
maybe a dip, especially as he went up to the

739
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,239
Huntsman Center. But where do we stand in the in

740
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,559
the rivalry right now? Do you think there's like an

741
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:40,360
increased pressure on the on the utes our Carlin too,

742
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,280
to make these knee jerk reaction moves in order to

743
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:49,840
stay competitive, stay relevant, keep their winning ways that.

744
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 4: They've uh that they've they've had over the last decade plus.

745
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I think it's hard not to feel

746
00:35:57,719 --> 00:36:01,519
pressure just because it's a rival that the decade before

747
00:36:01,639 --> 00:36:03,960
you you kind of dominated. Right, Utah had one nine

748
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,119
straight over BYU in football and in basketball, you know,

749
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:10,280
it's always a toss up with that game. Larry k

750
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,079
had some good teams, Utah made the Sweet sixteen. They

751
00:36:14,119 --> 00:36:16,440
had some NBA guys like it's just there was a

752
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:20,039
whole year where they didn't even play that whole debacle.

753
00:36:20,159 --> 00:36:22,679
Speaker 3: Like, I don't know, it's just it's always gonna.

754
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,880
Speaker 6: Be an eventful rivalry. And I think at the same.

755
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:25,159
Speaker 4: Time, like.

756
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 6: Utah had an advantage in terms of conference resources and

757
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,480
recruiting being in the Tax twelve and BYU being independent

758
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:37,400
and WCC and you taugh took advantage of that. And

759
00:36:37,519 --> 00:36:40,519
now you know, they're on a level conference playing field.

760
00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:45,079
And BYU seems to have a better NIL base or

761
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,559
a more vocal or the results of the NIL spending

762
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:52,480
are bringing more positive results. I'm being very careful how

763
00:36:52,519 --> 00:36:54,320
I say this. I don't know if you can tell. Yeah,

764
00:36:55,679 --> 00:37:00,440
I think you know, it's just I think it's in

765
00:37:00,559 --> 00:37:03,960
a game like that, anything can happen. All three of

766
00:37:04,039 --> 00:37:08,800
these past losses to BYU and football have been pretty close.

767
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,639
I think the the twenty twenty one game twenty six

768
00:37:11,639 --> 00:37:14,400
to seventeen final score, that one felt like a twenty

769
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,880
five point BYU win by the end of it, and

770
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,039
then of course they win on the field goal. And

771
00:37:19,119 --> 00:37:21,000
then last year they win by three points in a

772
00:37:21,079 --> 00:37:25,039
game that you know, maybe both coaches did some some

773
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:28,159
interesting coaching decisions that could have left points on the table, right,

774
00:37:28,159 --> 00:37:30,320
and so you know they've they've lost three games that

775
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,360
two of those three probably could have gone either way.

776
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:36,199
And then in basketball, you know by he still struggles

777
00:37:36,280 --> 00:37:38,840
up on the hill. They they won this time, but

778
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,320
they won each of the they lost each of the

779
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,719
past two years. I think Jensen is going to make

780
00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:45,159
these these games against Kevin Young really interesting. I think

781
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:48,159
it's gonna be a really competitive rivalry. And maybe maybe

782
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:50,800
the results won't show it. I mean, just maybe BYU

783
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,800
wins twenty in a row in basketball against Utah. Maybe

784
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,840
they keep winning football, but the games themselves are gonna

785
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,559
be close and anything can happen. And if you look

786
00:37:57,639 --> 00:38:01,079
back at the nine game win streak Utah held over BYU,

787
00:38:01,119 --> 00:38:03,679
obviously you could tell BYU I mean, or you could

788
00:38:03,679 --> 00:38:05,599
tell Utah held the upper hand in the rivalry just

789
00:38:05,679 --> 00:38:08,840
with everything. But also seven of those games were toss

790
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,280
up games, right Like, there were only two blowouts in

791
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:14,159
those nine losses that BUYU suffered at the hand of Utah.

792
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,360
So it's it's a healthy rivalry. I mean, it adds

793
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,000
and flows, and I think b Yu right now is

794
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:20,880
the king of the castle in terms of the state

795
00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:23,639
of Utah, and it's up to Utah and maybe be

796
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,280
more competitive and and figure things out to even the score.

797
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,199
But yeah, I mean, I just for me, like, I

798
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:31,599
just I like when the on field product is really.

799
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:32,000
Speaker 3: Fun and and.

800
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,519
Speaker 6: What's the word, uh, just I like when it's it's

801
00:38:36,519 --> 00:38:39,159
an endearing product product on the field, and it feel

802
00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:41,159
like that. We've we've had that with the last few

803
00:38:41,199 --> 00:38:43,719
football basketball games, and that's all you can ask for.

804
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,079
And so hopefully Utah, you know, I mean, it'd be

805
00:38:46,159 --> 00:38:48,440
interesting if they even things up, but we'll see what happens.

806
00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:50,519
Speaker 2: I just wonder if Mark Harley kind of felt enough

807
00:38:50,519 --> 00:38:52,039
pressure to say, hey, we got a head coach in

808
00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:53,559
waiting right here, we need to make a move.

809
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,599
Speaker 4: Let's bring in the ultra capital deal.

810
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:59,800
Speaker 2: Let's usher Kyle Whittingham out, Let's bring Morgan Scalley in.

811
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,400
That set off a domino effect, right, Obviously, Kyle Dedham

812
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,440
goes down. Arburg gets the the Michigan job, went at

813
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,079
the top five jobs probably in college football, per many

814
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:12,960
pendits and analysts and a pineers out there, and with

815
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:18,239
that takes much of you know, some key roster additions

816
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,840
there from Utah. And then obviously he's OC Jason Beck

817
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:24,639
and then Jay Hill, the assistant head coach and defits

818
00:39:24,679 --> 00:39:28,320
coordinator of BYU. I don't know if you saw this.

819
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:31,280
This came out, I don't know, three days ago. Jason

820
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:36,280
Beck's salary three million, j hills salary two point six million.

821
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:39,920
So when I was hearing the rumors ride and that

822
00:39:40,119 --> 00:39:42,880
Jay Hill was being targeted, I was told that the

823
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,920
money wasn't that much more than what BYU was offering

824
00:39:48,639 --> 00:39:51,800
to stay in provo, that there wasn't that big of

825
00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:56,079
a difference. He got paid two point six million, and

826
00:39:56,159 --> 00:39:57,400
so if it's not that big of a dis lets

827
00:39:57,400 --> 00:39:59,280
say it's two million upwards the two two point three

828
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,639
million or something like that. We don't have verified numbers,

829
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:04,679
but I was told from a few different sources that hey,

830
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:08,960
they're not too far off comparatively speaking. So what does

831
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:13,360
that say, I guess about this this j Hill move

832
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,440
in your opinion? And also what does it say about

833
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:21,119
how competitive BYU is byus at least, you know, boxing

834
00:40:21,679 --> 00:40:25,800
in the same weight class of Michigan with retention and

835
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,039
acquisition of coaches. What does that say about Bou's future

836
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,239
athletically do you think in the football department?

837
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:38,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean with this last colony extension, they really

838
00:40:38,599 --> 00:40:41,840
emphasize the additional resources for the program. And I think

839
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,960
you're seeing that in this transfer cycle where BYU has

840
00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:47,840
kept all of its most important pieces on the roster,

841
00:40:48,079 --> 00:40:51,440
like just the roster attention that BYU has managed to

842
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:54,719
achieve this winter has it's unprecedented in this day and age.

843
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,679
And you know, maybe it's not all about money. Maybe

844
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:00,360
that's a Nieve take, but maybe there's the lawyer to

845
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,599
kalone into the program and people wanting to to win

846
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,039
and you know, unfinished business here at BYU. But also

847
00:41:06,159 --> 00:41:08,119
the money has to factor in because if you if

848
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,880
you throw life changing money at somebody, it's really hard

849
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:12,159
to turn that down in a lot of places. And

850
00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:14,400
so I just credit to BYU for ponying up there

851
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:17,079
and I mean being able. I don't I don't pretend

852
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,599
I've never talked to Jay Hill one on one off record,

853
00:41:19,679 --> 00:41:22,760
right like I've I don't know how he thinks or

854
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,920
what maybe went into his decision making, but maybe you know,

855
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:28,519
people need to need a fresh start, sometimes people need

856
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:31,320
a change of scenery. And I don't I don't know

857
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,679
exactly why he left for for Michigan, but you know

858
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:35,800
wish I'm the best there, but it's it's really encouraging

859
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:37,960
to know that BYU. You know, they they made a

860
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,800
competitive offer to him, and they were in the same

861
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,719
ballpark as Michigan when it came to salary. And so yeah,

862
00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:46,280
going forward, like when BYU makes these hires like they can,

863
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,199
they can shell out the big money that they need

864
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,119
to to bring top coaching talent to Provo, and they're

865
00:41:51,159 --> 00:41:53,920
able to keep their guys. Like when you when you

866
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:56,880
watch it Evan Johnson or a Trey Alexander or at

867
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,719
Isaiah glask and you're like, man, Like at a smaller school,

868
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:02,239
you might be like, Okay, well, it's gonna be fun

869
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,599
having him until he leaves. Right, Like I remember when

870
00:42:04,639 --> 00:42:07,159
by you played Delaware earlier this season, Delaware had a

871
00:42:07,199 --> 00:42:09,840
player that was lighting it up for a bit and

872
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,440
at the halftime show where the post game show, one

873
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:13,280
of the two on CBS Sports Network, one of the

874
00:42:13,320 --> 00:42:15,559
analysts like, well, Delaware fans enjoy him because he's gona

875
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:17,639
be playing at a bigger school next year. And that's

876
00:42:17,639 --> 00:42:18,960
a bummer to hear if you're a fan of a

877
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,440
smaller school, but at BYU, like that's not the case,

878
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,639
you get these guys, you keep these guys for life, hopefully,

879
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,880
and with the financial investment that they're making into the

880
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:29,800
athletics at BUYU, it's really seeming that way. So yeah,

881
00:42:29,800 --> 00:42:33,000
I mean just BYU. Like look, obviously Utah, you could

882
00:42:33,039 --> 00:42:36,000
say that the private equity deal or whatever else they're doing,

883
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,480
you could say it's a response to BYU, but it's

884
00:42:38,519 --> 00:42:40,760
also response to just to college football as a whole.

885
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,599
Like Indiana just won the national championship. Indiana had a

886
00:42:43,639 --> 00:42:46,559
lot of financial backing to make that possible. Vanderbilt has

887
00:42:46,559 --> 00:42:48,719
come out of nowhere to be a power in the SEC,

888
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:50,760
both in football and basketball.

889
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:52,599
Speaker 3: Like he strove checks, you.

890
00:42:52,599 --> 00:42:54,679
Speaker 6: Win games in a lot of these schools, and so

891
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:57,880
BYU credits to BYU there. They're figuring that out. They're

892
00:42:57,880 --> 00:43:01,519
spending money, but they're also spending money smartly and wisely,

893
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:03,800
and they're doing it with with a vision that's that

894
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,079
you can match. I just think, you know, you can't

895
00:43:06,119 --> 00:43:07,760
just write the biggest checks. You got to have vision,

896
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,719
you've got to have a plan, and by seems to

897
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,400
have those plays those things in place along with with

898
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:16,440
a better financial investment. So I feel very very confident

899
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,320
about By, you're going in this unprecedented era of college

900
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:21,199
athletics because you know, it just seems like they're the

901
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,159
money that they're spending is.

902
00:43:22,639 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 3: Doing the right thing.

903
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 4: Is Utah officially little brother? Do you think.

904
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 6: If you ask the Rocks on Saturday, they would say,

905
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:35,679
yes they were, there was that chance. But uh, I

906
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,440
don't know. I think you know b Yu has had

907
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,480
the success against Utah lately, but also if Utah, you know,

908
00:43:40,639 --> 00:43:43,280
they they won they beat Eye and basketball last year,

909
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:45,760
if they beat them in basketball the year before, sure's

910
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,039
I think I think By's got to really blow out

911
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:51,519
Utah and football a couple of times and uh maybe

912
00:43:51,559 --> 00:43:54,519
win a couple more basketball games before we all start

913
00:43:54,599 --> 00:43:56,239
running with the little brother thing. But you know, it's

914
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,400
just that this is what this is what makes a

915
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:00,039
rivalry great, Like it's the pride of it. Obviously the

916
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:03,000
scriptures teach us to avoid pride, but sometimes look when

917
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,119
the Commanders beat the Eagles, I'm I'm never gonna shut

918
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:06,599
up about It's the greatest thing in my world.

919
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,159
Speaker 3: So when when when b Yu b T so I don't.

920
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 6: Blame Cougar fans for taking their victory lamp like do

921
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:13,079
it enjoy it, this is what makes sport great, like

922
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:14,599
don't be don't be a jerk about it, but also

923
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:17,519
like sing your little brother chance, like that's that's that's.

924
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 3: The fun of it.

925
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,519
Speaker 6: So, I mean, I think, you know, BYU clearly has

926
00:44:20,559 --> 00:44:22,800
the upper hand of the rivalry. But let's let's wait

927
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:24,960
a little bit on my end before we start saying

928
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:27,440
little brother just for the you know, just for for

929
00:44:27,679 --> 00:44:28,360
the sake of mercy.

930
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,440
Speaker 4: Hey, what have you been writing about? What can what

931
00:44:31,519 --> 00:44:32,280
can you preview?

932
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: Uh?

933
00:44:33,079 --> 00:44:35,119
Speaker 4: In tyso swift the head on over to the desrat

934
00:44:35,199 --> 00:44:36,639
News website.

935
00:44:38,159 --> 00:44:39,559
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean, I'll have a lot of coverage about

936
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:42,639
tonight's game. If if BYU wins, obviously I might be

937
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,440
up all night writing about it because it would be

938
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:47,679
such an important win for the program. I got a story.

939
00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:49,760
I spent a day with the women's basketball program a

940
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:51,639
couple of weeks ago. Talked to Lee Kamard for a bit,

941
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,360
talk to a bunch of the players and coaches. Really

942
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,800
excited to put together kind of a deep dive into

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the women's basketball program at BYU. That's having an awesome year,

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Lee Kamard, perfect hire, They're doing awesome things. Hopefully they

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make the insutably turn that, because that would be quite

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the turnaround. And yeah, I mean Lee, Lee's a great coach.

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I'm a big fan of Leave, always have been, and

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what he's done this year has been awesome. And so

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I hope I hope Cougar fans flot to read that

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one and appreciate what Lee Kamar, one of like the

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BYU guys of all time, is doing for the women's

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basketball program.

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Speaker 2: Love it, check it out, follow Jackson on Twitter and

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read all this stuff at the Desert Red News. Jackson

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will see at the game today. Thanks so much for

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joining us for a Cougar beat.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, any times you guys there go.

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Speaker 2: That's Jackson pain breaking it all down here on a

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Cougar beat. We're lying from our band Rwill Studios, Betterwealth

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