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Speaker 2: Anthony Kanngalossi is a former member of the Special Agent
Speaker 2: of the Secret Service, currently a lecturer at John Jay
Speaker 2: College of Criminal Justice, and he's joining us to talk
Speaker 2: about the many times he probably heard the words gun
Speaker 2: in his ear piece. Michael, I'm sorry, Anthony Caanngalossi.
Speaker 3: Welcome, Good morning, Lee.
Speaker 2: Is that a fair statement you heard your share of
Speaker 2: gun in your earpiece?
Speaker 3: Well, actually, that's a great question. No, I never did,
Speaker 3: and that's a great thing. The reason why it's a
Speaker 3: great thing is because the primary objective of any protective detail,
Speaker 3: any security plan is to deter would be assassins or
Speaker 3: people that are trying to hurt the protectee. So the
Speaker 3: objective is the storic security plan is so tight that
Speaker 3: this doesn't happen. Okay, other agents, I've heard that, right,
Speaker 3: but I never did in my four years.
Speaker 2: You did serve four years two thousand and two to
Speaker 2: two thousand and four. At that point, had the Secret
Speaker 2: Service been shifted from the Department of Treasury to the
Speaker 2: Homeland Security Department.
Speaker 3: That's correct. I believe that's the transition from not mistaken
Speaker 3: happened in two thousand and three.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, So did you notice any big difference in
Speaker 2: operations day to day when that did happen.
Speaker 3: No, there was no change. We just continued to operate
Speaker 3: as we always did. No changes as a result of
Speaker 3: moving from Treasury to the Department of Homeland Security.
Speaker 2: Anthony Kanglossi is with us. He's a former member of
Speaker 2: the Secret Service, a special agent as well, like sure
Speaker 2: now John J. Criminal the College of Criminal Justice. The
Speaker 2: reason I ask that is is that I've been watching
Speaker 2: all the pontificating that's been going on since the first
Speaker 2: assassination failure, attempt and failure, and one of the one
Speaker 2: of the things posed was that with Secret Services suffering
Speaker 2: financially and manpower wise since the move from Treasury, well, I.
Speaker 3: Can't speak exactly to what the numbers are. I mean,
Speaker 3: that is a long term issue in terms of the
Speaker 3: Secret Service budget expanding so they can hire more agents
Speaker 3: and have the assets in place that they need to
Speaker 3: do their job. But we need to distinguish between that
Speaker 3: and their immediate need to have these details supplemented by
Speaker 3: other federal law enforcement agencies. By that they would they
Speaker 3: would supplement their their details with these other agents from
Speaker 3: these other agencies to assist in the protective details that
Speaker 3: are going on.
Speaker 2: In your tenure, was their cooperation when you were in
Speaker 2: the field, as it were saying at the Olympics, did
Speaker 2: you get a lot of cooperation with local officials.
Speaker 3: Well, it's not only the locals, it's also the other
Speaker 3: federal law enforcement agency. So yeah, any type of security
Speaker 3: footprint usually required that. So back in two thousand and
Speaker 3: two during the Olympics, I was a ship leader on
Speaker 3: a site where all my agents that participated in secure
Speaker 3: in that site were from the Border Patrol. Right. So
Speaker 3: this has been an ongoing plan for decades, long before
Speaker 3: they even transitioned from Treasury to homeland security investigations. I
Speaker 3: think right now the need is to have more numbers,
Speaker 3: more supplemental health from these other agencies.
Speaker 2: Anthony kangli oh See is with us. He is a
Speaker 2: lecturer from the John Jay Criminal College of Criminal Justice,
Speaker 2: but he also did a tenure as of a special
Speaker 2: agent in the Secret Service. Let's talk about the most
Speaker 2: recent assassination attempt and the way it went down. I'm
Speaker 2: looking at the photographs now of the two so called
Speaker 2: knapsacks that evidently contained some of the body armors, ceramic
Speaker 2: and even the god pro that's kind of jammed into
Speaker 2: the chain link fence. I'm wondering if that is what
Speaker 2: initially caught the agent's eye rather and then the barrel
Speaker 2: of the gun poking in between those two rather than
Speaker 2: the barrel of the gun itself. When you're when you're
Speaker 2: out there in the field, can can something like that
Speaker 2: set you off?
Speaker 3: Sure you're looking for anomalies. I don't know how familiar
Speaker 3: he was with the fans line prior to setting out
Speaker 3: that day, but if he saw some kind of anomaly
Speaker 3: and maybe focused even further, you know the storyline right now,
Speaker 3: they saw the barrel of the gun. Yeah, before he
Speaker 3: keep he encountered the threat and was able to, you know,
Speaker 3: stop this particular threat on that given.
Speaker 2: Day when seeing the threat, was the protocol to immediately
Speaker 2: call in reinforcement or were you encouraged to immediately engage?
Speaker 3: You know, that's a judgment, Paul, right. I know, if
Speaker 3: I see a barrel of gunpointing in my direction, it
Speaker 3: be I'd probably do the same thing that Well, I
Speaker 3: don't know what that agent did I mean, you know,
Speaker 3: they followed fired a few shots. I think that would
Speaker 3: be my reaction as well, because hey, there's a gunpointing direction,
Speaker 3: you know. So I don't like to speculate as to
Speaker 3: what that agent did or did not do.
Speaker 2: And as far as the service weapons that they are carrying,
Speaker 2: is there one standard or does everyone sort of The
Speaker 2: ones that I see the most seem to be the
Speaker 2: glock nineteens. But does everyone allowed to carry what they're
Speaker 2: comfortable with?
Speaker 3: I do not know what the current policy is. I
Speaker 3: do believe back twenty years ago and I was with them,
Speaker 3: we had a standard issue firearm. But it's been twenty years,
Speaker 3: so my memory maybe may not be doing a service.
Speaker 2: And that said, you can tell I'm an enthusiast. Do
Speaker 2: you still get to the range even though you're not
Speaker 2: a special agent anymore you are at the John J.
Speaker 2: College of Criminal Justice.
Speaker 3: Yes, I still do get to the range. It's the
Speaker 3: requirement that I must meet, and I do do.
Speaker 2: Anthony king Leosi, now a lecturer John J. College of
Speaker 2: Criminal Justice, former Secret Service Special Agent, thank you for
Speaker 2: your perspective today.
Speaker 3: You have a great day.
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