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<v Speaker 1>This is later with Lee Matthews the Lee Matthews Podcast

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<v Speaker 1>more What You Hear Week They Have to Do is

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<v Speaker 1>on the Drive.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Kanngalossi is a former member of the Special Agent

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<v Speaker 2>of the Secret Service, currently a lecturer at John Jay

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<v Speaker 2>College of Criminal Justice, and he's joining us to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about the many times he probably heard the words gun

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<v Speaker 2>in his ear piece. Michael, I'm sorry, Anthony Caanngalossi.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome, Good morning, Lee.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that a fair statement you heard your share of

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<v Speaker 2>gun in your earpiece?

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<v Speaker 3>Well, actually, that's a great question. No, I never did,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's a great thing. The reason why it's a

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<v Speaker 3>great thing is because the primary objective of any protective detail,

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<v Speaker 3>any security plan is to deter would be assassins or

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<v Speaker 3>people that are trying to hurt the protectee. So the

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<v Speaker 3>objective is the storic security plan is so tight that

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<v Speaker 3>this doesn't happen. Okay, other agents, I've heard that, right,

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<v Speaker 3>but I never did in my four years.

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<v Speaker 2>You did serve four years two thousand and two to

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and four. At that point, had the Secret

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<v Speaker 2>Service been shifted from the Department of Treasury to the

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<v Speaker 2>Homeland Security Department.

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<v Speaker 3>That's correct. I believe that's the transition from not mistaken

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<v Speaker 3>happened in two thousand and three.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, So did you notice any big difference in

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<v Speaker 2>operations day to day when that did happen.

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<v Speaker 3>No, there was no change. We just continued to operate

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<v Speaker 3>as we always did. No changes as a result of

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<v Speaker 3>moving from Treasury to the Department of Homeland Security.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony Kanglossi is with us. He's a former member of

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<v Speaker 2>the Secret Service, a special agent as well, like sure

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<v Speaker 2>now John J. Criminal the College of Criminal Justice. The

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<v Speaker 2>reason I ask that is is that I've been watching

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<v Speaker 2>all the pontificating that's been going on since the first

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<v Speaker 2>assassination failure, attempt and failure, and one of the one

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<v Speaker 2>of the things posed was that with Secret Services suffering

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<v Speaker 2>financially and manpower wise since the move from Treasury, well, I.

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<v Speaker 3>Can't speak exactly to what the numbers are. I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>that is a long term issue in terms of the

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<v Speaker 3>Secret Service budget expanding so they can hire more agents

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<v Speaker 3>and have the assets in place that they need to

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<v Speaker 3>do their job. But we need to distinguish between that

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<v Speaker 3>and their immediate need to have these details supplemented by

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<v Speaker 3>other federal law enforcement agencies. By that they would they

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<v Speaker 3>would supplement their their details with these other agents from

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<v Speaker 3>these other agencies to assist in the protective details that

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<v Speaker 3>are going on.

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<v Speaker 2>In your tenure, was their cooperation when you were in

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<v Speaker 2>the field, as it were saying at the Olympics, did

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<v Speaker 2>you get a lot of cooperation with local officials.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, it's not only the locals, it's also the other

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<v Speaker 3>federal law enforcement agency. So yeah, any type of security

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<v Speaker 3>footprint usually required that. So back in two thousand and

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<v Speaker 3>two during the Olympics, I was a ship leader on

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<v Speaker 3>a site where all my agents that participated in secure

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<v Speaker 3>in that site were from the Border Patrol. Right. So

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<v Speaker 3>this has been an ongoing plan for decades, long before

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<v Speaker 3>they even transitioned from Treasury to homeland security investigations. I

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<v Speaker 3>think right now the need is to have more numbers,

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<v Speaker 3>more supplemental health from these other agencies.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony kangli oh See is with us. He is a

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<v Speaker 2>lecturer from the John Jay Criminal College of Criminal Justice,

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<v Speaker 2>but he also did a tenure as of a special

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<v Speaker 2>agent in the Secret Service. Let's talk about the most

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<v Speaker 2>recent assassination attempt and the way it went down. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the photographs now of the two so called

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<v Speaker 2>knapsacks that evidently contained some of the body armors, ceramic

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<v Speaker 2>and even the god pro that's kind of jammed into

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<v Speaker 2>the chain link fence. I'm wondering if that is what

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<v Speaker 2>initially caught the agent's eye rather and then the barrel

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<v Speaker 2>of the gun poking in between those two rather than

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<v Speaker 2>the barrel of the gun itself. When you're when you're

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<v Speaker 2>out there in the field, can can something like that

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<v Speaker 2>set you off?

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<v Speaker 3>Sure you're looking for anomalies. I don't know how familiar

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<v Speaker 3>he was with the fans line prior to setting out

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<v Speaker 3>that day, but if he saw some kind of anomaly

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<v Speaker 3>and maybe focused even further, you know the storyline right now,

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<v Speaker 3>they saw the barrel of the gun. Yeah, before he

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<v Speaker 3>keep he encountered the threat and was able to, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>stop this particular threat on that given.

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<v Speaker 2>Day when seeing the threat, was the protocol to immediately

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<v Speaker 2>call in reinforcement or were you encouraged to immediately engage?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, that's a judgment, Paul, right. I know, if

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<v Speaker 3>I see a barrel of gunpointing in my direction, it

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<v Speaker 3>be I'd probably do the same thing that Well, I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know what that agent did I mean, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they followed fired a few shots. I think that would

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<v Speaker 3>be my reaction as well, because hey, there's a gunpointing direction,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. So I don't like to speculate as to

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<v Speaker 3>what that agent did or did not do.

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<v Speaker 2>And as far as the service weapons that they are carrying,

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<v Speaker 2>is there one standard or does everyone sort of The

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<v Speaker 2>ones that I see the most seem to be the

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<v Speaker 2>glock nineteens. But does everyone allowed to carry what they're

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<v Speaker 2>comfortable with?

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<v Speaker 3>I do not know what the current policy is. I

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<v Speaker 3>do believe back twenty years ago and I was with them,

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<v Speaker 3>we had a standard issue firearm. But it's been twenty years,

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<v Speaker 3>so my memory maybe may not be doing a service.

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<v Speaker 2>And that said, you can tell I'm an enthusiast. Do

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<v Speaker 2>you still get to the range even though you're not

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<v Speaker 2>a special agent anymore you are at the John J.

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<v Speaker 2>College of Criminal Justice.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, I still do get to the range. It's the

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<v Speaker 3>requirement that I must meet, and I do do.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony king Leosi, now a lecturer John J. College of

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<v Speaker 2>Criminal Justice, former Secret Service Special Agent, thank you for

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<v Speaker 2>your perspective today.

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<v Speaker 3>You have a great day.

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