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an idea.

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Speaker 2: The population of atheists this country is going through.

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Speaker 1: The rule, rejecting faith, pursuing knowledge, challenging the sacred. If

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Speaker 1: Assume nothing, question everything, and start thinking. This is the

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Thinking Atheist podcast, hosted by Seth Andrews.

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Speaker 2: I want to talk about an encounter that I had

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at the ARC protest in Williamstown, Kentucky. I engaged an

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apologist from the ARC and counter and we talked for

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fifteen minutes and it made my head explode. And I

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just want to vent about that, and I'll do it

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in just a second, but forgive me. I was just

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now browsing this article out of Newsweek that was talking

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about Jennifer Welch. She is one of the co hosts

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of the I've Had It podcast. She's fantastic and she

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takes no prisoners. I mean, she just goes hard and

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she was talking about homeschools, Christian homeschools. She said, homeschooling

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is a quote crazy Christian problem, trickled down stupidity and

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maga on steroids. Now you are listening to someone who

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was homeschooled in a Christian homeschool for about six months

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or so. I was private Christian schooled for most of

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my upbringing, but there was a big blow up when

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I was at Temple Christian School. My mother and one

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of the monitors they weren't allowed to call them teachers, right.

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The superintendent's wife was our monitor in the pace program

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at Temple Christian School. But she had no college education.

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She didn't have a college degree, which is kind of

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part for the course here. You know, maybe she's still teaching.

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Maybe she's like seventy five eighty years old, still teaching

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with no college education, no background in education. That would

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be on brand for what we're seeing out there. But

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my mom and this person had a big blow up,

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and Mom said, oh yeah, fine, I'm gonna yank my

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kids out. We're going to finish the school year home schooled.

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And I'm sure my mother, a theologian, felt more than qualified.

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And so I don't even remember much about the lesson plans,

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except we skated through them in about an hour and

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a half and we just spent the rest of the

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day doing whatever we wanted to. Maybe that was the

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plan all along, but I mean, our curriculum was a

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freaking joke. We'd done podcasts on religious homeschooling and private

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at schooling and how they totally, very often will hamstring

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students for the rest of their lives. They just throw

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minnows out into the world totally unprepared for reality. And

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so I think Jennifer Welch is absolutely right, and there

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are a few examples of homeschooling that is effective. Don't

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email me, don't get mad at me, all right, I'm

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not talking about every instance. I'm not speaking in a

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giant generality. I'm talking about when you hear homeschool, what's

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first thing you think? You think, there's a little clucking

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church hen who once her children to be separated from

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all them evil secular studies, and so they bring them

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home and train them to believe that there was a

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talking reptile who spoke to garden nudists, and that a

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five hundred year old guide captained a floating zoo for

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a flood that left absolutely actually the flood left only

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contradictory geological evidence, and that I don't know that people

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lived to be a thousand years old, and that all

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these crazy things in the Bible were true, and if

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they weren't in the Bible, then it's not science. And

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our distrust of science was remarkable. We really felt like

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that scientists were all out there and they were sort

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of chortling to themselves. There was a giant conspiracy because

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God is I don't know, he was the enemy in

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some way, and scientists were the enemy of God. And

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the only science that was legitimate was sort of the

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ken Hem kind of science, the kind of stuff that

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he in Canthoven and other tragic figures have been vomiting

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out to these little impressionable brains when they go out

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to Sunday schools and regular schools or whatever. So I agree,

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homeschooling it was terrible. I left my home school and

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I went back to a Baptist school and it wasn't

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much better. But Jennifer Welch was taking a call from

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a list and the listener said, I've absolutely had it

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watching some of the stupidest people I went to school

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with decide they're qualified to homeschool their children, and Jennifer

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Welch replied, this is MAHA make America healthy again, OURFK

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Junior's initiative. This is tradwife, This is unvaxed and unjacked

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and all that shit. This is the worst, worst, worst,

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and this shit is America has a crazy Christian problem.

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We have a fundamentalist, crazy Christian problem. I'm talking about

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the freaks of the megachurch. I'm talking about the ones

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that have schools that are these crazy indoctrination factories, hate academies,

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and then when that hit isn't strong enough, they go

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in homeschooling. I just think it's a huge problem. Wow.

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The Department of Education was not happy with her. The

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DOE posted on x and I quote the proven value

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of homeschooling should never be dismissed as trickle down stupid.

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The only thing that is stupid is your ignorance. By

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the way, the Department of Education is being run by

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a World Wrestling Federation magnet. Actually it's not WWF anymore.

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stand for? She became she and her husband, right, Vince McMahon, who,

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by the way, has been clouded in sexual misconduct allegations

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using the Wrestling Federation to excuse abusive sexually abusive behaviors

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by the wrestlers, and that Linda McMahon, our doe director,

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was in on the cover up. This is also on

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brand for this administration. She got I think, a French

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degree in nineteen sixty six. Never one day, not ever, ever, ever,

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did she teach in a classroom, and yet she is

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determining what is taught in classrooms across the United States.

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But back to homeschooling and the ARK. So when I

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have toured the Ark Encounter, and I have been to

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both the Creation Museum and the Ark in Counter, and

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and they're kind of a tongue in cheek. They're really

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fun to watch, if I may say, but they're also

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tragic because you see the shit that they're ramming down

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the throats of impressionable believers. I'm going to link those

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in the description box. Atheists at the Creation Museum and

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atheists at the Ark Encounter. When I went to the ARC,

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Matt Dillahunty joined me so it was a tag team event.

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He and I are going around these exhibits, and the

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ARC is as pathetic. I mean, they're both pathetic, but

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the ARC makes the mistake. It commits the crime of

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being boring. I mean, say what you will about Noah's Arc.

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But the Ark encounter you walk in and there is

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some impressive architecture, but the whole thing is really sort

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of a big chasm. There's a lot a dead space.

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more dinosaurs. And look, there's dinosaurs and they're in cages,

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you know, like you would keep a dog in a kennel,

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and they had the velociraptors in the raptor kennel. And

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we're supposed to take it seriously. And then I see

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more of these little clucking church hens walking their charges,

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young impressionable children, and they're like, oh my goodness, dinosaurs.

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We're on the Ark with nouise yam Mingen Yingen, just like,

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this is not science, this is not logical, this is crazy.

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I just want to talk to each of those children

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and say, your monitor is so full of shit that

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if you were to give her an enema, she would disappear.

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Ask some questions, Go find a secular science book, go

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do something other than this. I just want to save

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these kids. But you know, the Arc Encounter and the

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Creation Museum in fact much more than children. Man this

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obvious at the Arc protest July the twelfth, Williamstown, Kentucky. Now,

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just to sum it up, the Arc Encounter Kenham's one

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hundred and ten million dollar exhibits sold to the state

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as a tourist attraction. So they said, Hey, we're going

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to bring in hotels and restaurants and industry and tourism

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and we're going to be amazing for the state of Kentucky.

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our state. So I was driving up to attend the

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protest and it's bear I mean, I saw a gas station,

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but a lot of just empty land. I think the

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one hotel that I happened to see is owned by

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the Ark Encounter. Where's the industry, what's going on here?

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because they wanted all the tax benefits. Oh what a

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beautiful scenari We're a business when we want business benefits,

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and we're a church when we want tax free status.

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These people are slick. And we went out on the

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tenure anniversary of the opening of the art and we

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had a big protest that was going to happen near

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the entrance where people were getting off the highway. And

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there are a lot of people who were like, why bother,

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why would you do this? What's the matter with your people?

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Leave them alone? Doesn't do anything, doesn't change anything. And

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The story of Noah's ark is actually part of a

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much more sinister story, which is that we do not

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have worth. There was no one worthy, no not one.

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That's according to the Bible. We are infected with a

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cancer of sin. We deserve to be horribly punished. This

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is a stripping away or an invalidating of human identity

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and worth and religion, fundamentalist religion Christianity uses them to

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control people and to threaten them and to scare them

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afraid of scientists, and they're also afraid of a bunch

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of other stuff, whether it's vaccines, or immigrants, or Muslims,

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or socialism or whatever. This idea that Noah's Ark is

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just a happy tale about rainbows and birds with olive

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branches and shit like that is monumentally naive. There's a

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really sinister undercurrent going on beyond I think all the

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grift and bullshit that can Hem has been guilty of.

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So we went out to protest, and as we were

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setting up, we saw a few cars arrive and people

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in brown shirts got out with their video equipment and

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lo and behold they were staffers from the Ark Encounter.

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They had come to documents our protests. Now, what are

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they going to do with the footage and a hover

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around the edges? Are they going to try to interview people?

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use it for their own nefarious purposes. I don't trust

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the Ark Encounter to fairly edit anything we say or do.

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the case, or at least I think they're probably in

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an editing bay somewhere, or maybe they've already released the

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video interviews, and I ended up on camera being interviewed

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by this apologist, a guy that looks a lot like

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Douglas Wilson, that famous American pastor, who, as we speak,

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is petitioning that women should be stripped of their right

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to vote because it's a man's world. Man's the head

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of the house. There should be apparently one vote a household,

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and the woman has been made to serve man, so

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she follows his lead. I'm reminded of that line. Why

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did God make a woman's feet so short so she

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can stand closer to the sink? That's how Pastor Douglas

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Wilson thinks, and he's one of the most influential pastors

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in the United States. I just can't believe it. So

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this guy picture Douglas Wilson, and you'll see what this

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guy look like. He is in kind of this blue

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purple shirt, and he's got his camera crew and they're

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going around engaging, and I figure, Okay, eventually I may

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end up in a conversation. It happened, and I agreed.

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Now I didn't get a whole lot of good footage

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myself from the day. We had technical problems with their

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sound system for the first half, I just wanted to

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go back there and sort of take over. But you know,

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they meant well, but there were some problems, and then

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when they ironed those out, we had a torrent of rain,

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so we were scrambling. I had to scramble with my

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cameras and I ran out, and I only got two

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speeches recorded on video MANDSA Thomas of Black non Believers.

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on her chain, and then I got Noah Illusions and

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he did a speech called why do you have to

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He's like, I'm not doing I'm not going to waste

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my freaking time, and we can have that discussion about

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whether or not it is a waste of time. Should

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no illusions that this apologist was going to engage me,

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and immediately the light bulb would go off, and he said,

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you know what, You're absolutely right. You have such good

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points about the fallacies and the immoralities and the Christian

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Book of Genesis. I will now reverse my position and

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I will join you, and we will frolic off into

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Reasonville together. I mean, we knew that wasn't going to happen.

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But I will say, in the back of my mind,

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when I was looking at the people, young twenty somethings

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with the cameras and the microphones who were following this

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guy around like he was a prophet. They were documenting.

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They didn't say a word, but I thought, I wonder,

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if they're listening as they're filming, as they're recording, are

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they going to hear from a position of relative safety,

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two arguments or two positions being articulated, And is there

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a chance that they'll say, wait a minute, that atheist

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guy actually had a few really good points. And that's

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I think the reason that I did say yes when

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they say do you want to talk to these guys?

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it grieves me. And it's because I was wired up

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with a lapel microphone. But I was not prepared for

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the rain, which was just coming down in buckets all

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around me. I did not have an umbrella. I stood

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for if we both stood for about fifty ten minutes

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in the rain, and it ruined my microphone. I heard

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the audio and it's like, so I'm guessing that thing's

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going to have to be replaced. That hurts my heart.

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Give me a second here before I go off on

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that ran. Let me take my short break here and

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I will be back and I will bloviate further about

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the ARC and counter bloviator at the protest one moment, okay,

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because my microphone got ruined in the rain when I

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was talking to this ARC and countiripologist. You're stuck with

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me giving a summation of that fifteen minute encounter, and

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it's pretty much what you might expect. So he starts

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in good faith, and he introduces his team and hides

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nice talking to you, and immediately he references this big

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banner that the ARC protesters like to put up every year.

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It says genocide and incest park. Okay, I mean I

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call it genocide and certainly call it incest. I saw

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one of their people doing a stand up with his

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microphone and a camera right in front of the banner,

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and I thought to myself, I wish I could hear him,

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because how's he getting around this? How do you get

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around drowning the entire planet except for a family of

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eight and then everybody having sex with mom and sisters

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to repopulate the planet. How does one get around that?

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We know the Creation Museum has an incest exhibit. We

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know that you can go through the Creation Museum, you'll

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see it in the video. And ken Him's take is, well,

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you know, back then God's plan, there were fewer of us,

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and I think perhaps our genetic code was purer and

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people weren't going to have all of the problems, and

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it was okay. And of course you and I are

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like and then we think, all right, incest, that's another

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reason we don't want Christian homeschooling, is it not. The

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apologist looks at me and he says, how can you

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even call it genocide? If you are an atheist and

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don't believe in the Christian God, how can you even

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call it genocide? And I'm like, well, it has something

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to do with the fact that God killed everybody by

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the millions, perhaps billions, I don't know. How many people

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lived four thousand years ago on this planet. But it

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was a lot of people. It was pretty much everybody. Right, Well,

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I'm going to go with genocide on that score. But

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he says, how can you call it genocide if you

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don't really have a standard for morality to know that

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genocide would be wrong? And immediately I thought, here we go.

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How do you know that rape and murder are wrong

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if you don't believe in an objective moral standard and

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my specific standard maker And I said, well, I'm not

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totally convinced I believe in objective morality, but we understand

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that killing is bad. And then he said, well, is

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it always wrong to kill someone? And how would you

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know that if you're an atheist? And so I began

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to get into the fascinating idea of context. He says,

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somebody breaks into my house and they're threatening my life

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in the life of my family, and I use lethal

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force to stop them. Well, I would have killed them,

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but I would not have been guilty of murder. However,

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if I just go out and kill someone because I

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want to, that would meet the definition. But he's like,

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how do you know that's wrong? What about the people

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throughout history who have murdered and it has made their

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lives better, or at least enrich them, or made them

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more successful, or given them great power. He didn't say Hitler.

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He didn't say Hitler, but I heard Hitler. We all

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here Hitler because that's where he's going. Hitler was an atheist,

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which means he hasn't done his research on Hitler. But

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it's so insulting to be told that I wouldn't know

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the concept of harm. I wouldn't know that killing is wrong.

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Why in the world would you want to act ethically

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if you don't believe in my God. I get into

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the basics of pro social behaviors, cooperation, coalition, community, surviving

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and thriving on the African Savannah. What about those people

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who don't do those things? Well, society does have its anomalies,

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and they do great harm, and they get away with

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great harm, but historically they don't last all that long

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against everybody else. I mean, we have to admit Hitler

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was eventually defeated and overthrown. Right, there is a corrective

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Erica Gotzig Gibbon talks about this in the primate world,

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where there'll be some alpha for lack of a better

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way of saying it. Who goes in and he he's

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running his tree vibe of primates, you know, chimpanzees, gorillas, whatever,

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and he's beating up everybody, and he's abusing everybody. He's

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stealing all the resources, and he enjoys power for a while,

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and then finally his group gets fed up and says,

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screw a whole bunch of this. They turn on him,

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and they don't just kill him. They torture him, they

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kill him violently. They're just She had a video at

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a speech that she gave recently, and she wouldn't even

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show the video of a documentation of this group. What

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do you call it? Group of chimps? Is it a pack,

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a tribe, a flock of chimps? This flock of chimps

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turns on the abuser and they fuck him up. I mean,

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it's horrible. So there is a corrective that does happen.

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But I'm not able to really get into all that.

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I'm just able to say, yes, we see them, but overall,

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human flourishing is best explained with pro social and cooperative behaviors.

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And I snock any question of my own. You're from

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the Arc Encounter book of Genesis. Who wrote the Book

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of Genesis, Well, it was Moses. He said, well, how

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do you know that? How do you know there was

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a Moses? Well, historians, an overwhelming documentation and blah blah

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love And then he managed to throw Aristotle. You know,

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at all these historical figures, philosophers, writers, their existence has

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been corroborated by a host hundreds, perhaps thousands of sources

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from the time period. And I just looked at him,

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and what I regret not saying is this. And you

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may have heard me say this before, but the Book

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of Genesis starts before spacetime. There are no humans to chronicle,

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before Adam and Eve, before the universe, before the cosmos

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and the earth and light and dark in the water

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and the animal and everything. It's not like Moses was

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hanging around in a tiny little space pod with a

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paper and pen documenting the creation of all things. He

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did not exist. He didn't come down until later on

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in the Book of Genesis. So how was he able

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to report what was going on? And I just wish

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I'd been thinking more on my feet to ask that

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question for the minions that we're all shooting and recording,

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not for the apologist and it goes on and on.

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As the rain is pouring down. He gives me the

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standard line about how we have faith in scientists and

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why is their belief any less valid than our belief.

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I think he may have challenged as to why we

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would bother to protest something we don't believe in. But

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here's the part that made my head explode. And even

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now I'm still pissed off about it. It should have

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been expected. Noah was just about to go on stage,

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and so I politely said, we're done here. Forgive me.

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You've been very kind to engage. I'm going to have

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to get back to work. I've got a couple of

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cameras under the tents. I'm going to try to get

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footage of Noah, and then I'm up on the podium last.

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But thank you for And I said, you know, I

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think as far as human goodness, you know, I think

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you and I may have more in common than we

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have in disagreement. And he said this. He actually said

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two things. He said, you have a secret. You have

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done something in your life that if anyone knew about

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it would ruin you. And we all have something about

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us that we keep in the darkest part of our

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hearts that no one else knows about. But it is

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a cancer that lives within us. And if people knew it,

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they would know what darkened hearts we have. It was

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something along those lines. God, I wish I had a recording.

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I wish it didn't sound like both so you could

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hear what he said. And I'm like, well, we all

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have made mistakes. Certainly, we all have little secrets, right,

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but we've all screwed up. You know, we're flawed people.

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But the perfect is the enemy of the good. If

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I've made big mistakes in my life, and haven't we all,

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I mean, my train has left the tracks, I've hit

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the wall, I've screwed up, I've heard people, I've done

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all it. We've all done it. We've all been human.

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And I said, you know, I'm not defined by my

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worst mistakes. And he was talking like we are like

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spiritual criminals who are holding onto in our minds and

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hearts our own criminal record. And if the world knew

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just how tainted we really were, well we would be

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exposed as harmful. We would be unworthy, requiring salvation of

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pardon from the great prison warden in the sky. Well,

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what do you do about that. How in the world

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do you get redemption for the wrongs and your life,

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the horrible deeds that you have done. And I said, well,

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if I have wronged someone in my life, my goal

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is to understand the wrong and then I find them

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and I admit that I was wrong, and I say,

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I'm so sorry for being wrong, and if there was

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harm done, I say, forgive me for being hurtful. I

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know you were hurt and that's my fault, and I

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have real regret about that and real heartache and grief,

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and I want you to know that I'm genuinely sorry.

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And then in my own life I make a commitment

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to do better next time. I was thinking of that

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Maya Angelou quote where she said when we know better,

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we do better. I thought that was a good answer,

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but he was not satisfied. And as I wrapped it up,

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I thought we were done. I'm stepping away with a

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thank you, and he steps toward me and says this.

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He said, I don't believe you ever had a covenant

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relationship with Jesus Christ. Excuse me, I don't believe you

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said you were a believer for decades, you were a Christian? Yeah,

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I was a Christian. No, I don't believe. I don't

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believe you ever had a covenant relationship with Jesus Christ.

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I don't believe that. And I just stared at him like,

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you have no idea who I am. You don't even

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know me. You weren't there when I walked up and

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dropped to my knees at the altar that Eastwood Baptist

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Church and said the Salvation prayer followed the Roman Road.

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If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord,

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and believe in your heart got raised him from the dead,

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you will be saved. I confessed my sins and I said, Jesus,

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come into my heart and save me. And I meant

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it with all my heart. I actually said that prayer

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more than once growing up. And that's a whole other

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story you talk about, s Saraty. I was all in,

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and I was all in for many, many years, and

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this guy just wants to invalidate me. I don't believe

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you ever had a covenant relationship. You're telling me that

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I wasn't a true Christian. That's not what I said.

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I never said that you wored a true Christian. I

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said you never had a covenant relationship with Jesus. Well,

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what's the difference. You're saying I didn't do Christianity correctly? Then, No, no, no,

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I didn't say that. I didn't say you didn't do

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Christianity correctly. I said you never had a covenant relationship

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with Jesus. And I actually looked at the guy with

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a microphone who was holding it up to my face.

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This kid from the arcan counter. I'm like, like, so

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I didn't have a proper covenant relationship, which I should

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have had to do Christianity correctly, which means I wasn't

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doing Christianity correctly. That's what he's saying. I've never said

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that you never had a covenant relationship. And I beg you,

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I implore you to go to Jesus and drop to

472
00:29:04,559 --> 00:29:07,799
your knees and confess your sins and receive the saving

473
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,559
power of my God. So now now it's evangelism. And

474
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:15,720
I think it was performative because the camera was rolling

475
00:29:15,799 --> 00:29:20,839
and I say, whoa, whoa, whoa. I'm not broken. I

476
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,839
do not need to be fixed. I'm not your pet project.

477
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,039
He's like, no, no, I implore you to meet the

478
00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:31,640
risen Jesus where you are and accept his saving grace.

479
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:35,960
Blah blah blah. He was still talking when I walked away,

480
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:39,519
and I could feel my blood boiling. And this is

481
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,079
yet another reason why I was there to protest the

482
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:49,559
arc encounter. I'm supposedly the product of my worst mistakes.

483
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,960
There was some evil core deep down within me, and

484
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,599
it's always there, and apparently it defines me. It has

485
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,240
robbed me of my worth to such a degree that

486
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:02,160
only a third the third party, can come down and

487
00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:06,240
fix me. I have to die to myself and essentially

488
00:30:06,279 --> 00:30:11,000
be replaced with the identity of someone else. His whole

489
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,319
narrative is that the drowning of the world isn't genocide,

490
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:19,559
it is an act of love and justice. And even

491
00:30:19,599 --> 00:30:22,559
all these thousands of years later, a guy like me

492
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:27,319
is still defined by evil and needs to be saved.

493
00:30:28,599 --> 00:30:31,279
In the speech that I gave, which was ruined by

494
00:30:31,319 --> 00:30:34,599
a bad microphone, I was talking about the comedy of

495
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:37,960
the Old Testament. I mean, for a divine master plan,

496
00:30:38,119 --> 00:30:40,960
we have to admit it's kind of jacked up whenever

497
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:45,279
it fails. In the third chapter of the book in

498
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,480
the first book of sixty six, the third chapter of

499
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:52,480
the first book right at the beginning of the story,

500
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,160
shit goes bad. When people ask about me being an

501
00:30:57,160 --> 00:31:01,640
atheist activist with a biblical name, I always say, oh, well,

502
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,279
I was the son of Adam and Eve that was

503
00:31:04,319 --> 00:31:09,880
not involved in a homicide. There was a homicide in

504
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,640
the third chapter of Genesis, right, this is was it

505
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,039
after Adam and Eve were kicked out of the guard?

506
00:31:17,119 --> 00:31:19,240
I can't remember if it was before or after, So

507
00:31:19,359 --> 00:31:23,599
that way wrong immediately, it is a joke. And then

508
00:31:23,599 --> 00:31:27,759
the whole planet I mean, by Genesis chapter six, everybody

509
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:30,960
on Earth, everybody is so evil they have to be

510
00:31:31,039 --> 00:31:34,440
horribly drowned alongside all the animals, and every other resource

511
00:31:34,599 --> 00:31:38,759
is destroyed. It's that bad. Well, that's not humankind's fault.

512
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:44,079
That's an indictment of the intelligent designer. That's an indictment

513
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:47,799
of God. He didn't have any idea how to put

514
00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:51,279
together and implement a plan that actually worked. And the

515
00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:55,720
entire Bible is all that God says, do this by command,

516
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:58,920
and as children say, screw that, We're going to go

517
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,079
do something else, God gets pissed. There is smiting a plenty.

518
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:07,799
There's all this kind of smiting. We've got swords and wars,

519
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,119
and we've got plagues and blood and sulfur from the sky,

520
00:32:11,279 --> 00:32:15,559
and we've got all these starvation and infanticide. It's all shit.

521
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:19,720
Shit's always going wrong. And then God's children are like,

522
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:23,880
we're really sorry, please if you would stop smiting us,

523
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,359
and then always says, okay, all right, well, if you

524
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,400
promised to be good next time, I'll stop the smiting.

525
00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:38,079
It's a joke and the message is so freaking sinister.

526
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:42,039
I think the Book of Genesis through revelation has to

527
00:32:42,079 --> 00:32:45,079
be protested, it has to be condemned, and I think

528
00:32:45,119 --> 00:32:50,759
inappropriate occasions must be ridiculed as ridiculous. I left there

529
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:57,839
soaking wet thinking about that apologist, that interview in some form,

530
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:02,519
possibly unfairly edited. It is probably going to end up

531
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:06,039
where did they have a YouTube page? Will it be

532
00:33:06,119 --> 00:33:09,400
on their social media? I will say ever since that encounter,

533
00:33:09,759 --> 00:33:14,920
I have had a total influx of ARC encounter apologists

534
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:18,759
and promoters and defenders on my social media pages. Apparently

535
00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:22,319
I'm a pet project now. I posted the image of

536
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:25,559
the banner genocide and Incest Park with me standing next

537
00:33:25,559 --> 00:33:27,440
to it, and they're coming, you know what, let me

538
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:29,440
read a couple of these hang on let me read

539
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:32,079
a couple of the arc encounter defenders, and I promise

540
00:33:32,119 --> 00:33:38,200
I will play the speech from Noah uh seth Facebook,

541
00:33:38,359 --> 00:33:43,440
Hang on, hold on just a second, just like two

542
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:47,480
hundred and thirty comments on here. Oh wow, there's someone

543
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:51,799
who's breaking down the arc logistically. That looks interesting. I

544
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:55,839
may have to come back and read that. Rachel jumped

545
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,759
in with a huge diatribe and a weird reference to

546
00:33:59,799 --> 00:34:04,079
the Guild Christ. I don't know what a guil Christ is.

547
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,519
Gil have you heard of this? This may be a

548
00:34:06,519 --> 00:34:09,280
gap in my knowledge if it's part of Christian tradition

549
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,360
or scriptures. She said, I have seen him, the scars

550
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:15,199
on his hands and the crown on his head, and

551
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:21,679
before he returns the Elijah Isaac Gilchrist will come. She

552
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,880
goes on and on and finishes with I tell you

553
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:29,360
ahead of time, so you might believe well good things.

554
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:32,280
She showed up to tell me on Facebook. Jeff said,

555
00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:36,000
the Bible said all this would happen. It told us

556
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:39,039
that in the final days people would raise up against

557
00:34:39,079 --> 00:34:43,000
the people of God. It said good would be considered evil,

558
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:48,400
and evil would be called goods. The mocking of God

559
00:34:48,559 --> 00:34:53,719
in the twenty first century somehow proves God. Ben chimed

560
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,840
in and said, it has been said that an atheist

561
00:34:56,880 --> 00:34:59,519
does not find God for the same reason that a

562
00:34:59,559 --> 00:35:06,880
burg blerd does not find a policeman. Oh he wins.

563
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,039
I am now convinced. Okay, I'm going to come back

564
00:35:11,039 --> 00:35:15,360
and read this breakdown from a skeptic named Devin his

565
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,719
It's actually a relatively long comment. It reminds me of

566
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:23,280
an article that was published forty some years ago. It

567
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,599
is posted still at the National Center for Science Education

568
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,800
the NCSSE. It is called The Impossibility of Noah's Ark.

569
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,119
He was written by Robert day Moore, and it is,

570
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:37,360
if you will, almost a comprehensive dismantling of Noah's Ark.

571
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:40,159
So I was looking at Devon's comment and it kind

572
00:35:40,159 --> 00:35:43,280
of reminds me of that. But I'm going to go

573
00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,760
ahead and narrate it for you, and then we'll go

574
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,639
back and we'll vet his details.

575
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:48,360
Speaker 4: Overall.

576
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 2: I think, if you'll pardon the expression it really holds water,

577
00:35:52,360 --> 00:36:02,800
we'll come back and do that next. Nois arc on

578
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:07,599
every level. The whole idea of it just sinks. And

579
00:36:07,639 --> 00:36:09,440
I'm going to read for you a comment that was

580
00:36:09,519 --> 00:36:13,199
left on my Facebook page by a skeptic. His name

581
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,960
was Devon, and he broke everything down for us. There

582
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,760
are an estimated eight point seven million species on Earth,

583
00:36:21,800 --> 00:36:25,880
give or take, because taxonomy is messy, about two point

584
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:30,079
two million ar marine, which means, unless we are suggesting

585
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:34,559
fish needed rescuing from water, roughly six point five million

586
00:36:34,679 --> 00:36:39,599
species are land dwelling and air breathing. Now let's be generous,

587
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:45,559
ignore insects entirely, even though that quietly collapses ecosystems, and

588
00:36:46,039 --> 00:36:50,760
round way down to just one million terrestrial species at

589
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:56,360
two of each. That's two million animals already unreasonable, But sure,

590
00:36:56,559 --> 00:37:00,559
let's keep going, be charitable with mass and call it

591
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:04,880
twenty five pounds per animal. That's fifty million pounds or

592
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,280
about twenty five thousand tons of animals. For contexts, the

593
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:15,559
USS Enterprise displaces not the not the spaceship, the USS Enterprise.

594
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:21,280
The sea vessel the USS Enterprise displaces about ninety three

595
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,920
thousand tons, So we're already loading a wooden vessel with

596
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:29,039
over a quarter of an aircraft carrier's displacement before adding

597
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:34,400
anything else. Now add food, because animals insist on continuing

598
00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:37,920
to be alive at two point five percent body weight,

599
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:40,920
per day. That's about one million, two hundred and fifty

600
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:46,599
thousand pounds daily, or another fifty million pounds over forty days,

601
00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:50,440
another twenty five thousand tons, So we're sitting at fifty

602
00:37:50,519 --> 00:37:56,119
thousand tons without water waste or the ship itself now water,

603
00:37:56,639 --> 00:37:59,960
which is where it really falls. Apart the evenet of

604
00:38:00,119 --> 00:38:04,039
very conservative zero point five gallons per animal per day,

605
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:09,000
that's a million gallons daily or forty million gallons over

606
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:13,440
forty days. At eight point three pounds per gallon, that's

607
00:38:13,559 --> 00:38:18,000
roughly three hundred and thirty three million pounds or about

608
00:38:18,039 --> 00:38:22,199
one hundred and sixty six thousand tons volume wise, about

609
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:26,960
one hundred and fifty one thousand cubic meters. The arcs

610
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:30,679
total volume, based on biblical dimensions is about forty three

611
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:35,039
thousand cubic meters, so the water alone requires more than

612
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,639
three times the ARC's entire volume before you add a

613
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:42,320
single animal or piece of food. At this point we

614
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,920
are at roughly two hundred and sixteen thousand, eight hundred

615
00:38:46,119 --> 00:38:50,519
tons of animal's food and water alone, over twice the

616
00:38:50,599 --> 00:38:55,719
displacement of the USS enterprise on a wooden vessel, and

617
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:59,719
that wooden vessel is supposedly made of gopher wood, which

618
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:03,599
has confirmed botanical identity, We don't know what it is,

619
00:39:03,760 --> 00:39:07,079
what its properties are, or whether it corresponds to any

620
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:11,039
real species of tree on top of that Wooden ships

621
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:14,320
at this scale run into hogging and sagging, where the

622
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:17,960
hull flexes under its own weight and fails. This is

623
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:23,000
a known engineering limitation. So even if everything else worked,

624
00:39:23,159 --> 00:39:26,440
the ship itself is already pushing past what the material

625
00:39:26,519 --> 00:39:31,480
can handle. Then there's the flood itself. The cover the

626
00:39:31,519 --> 00:39:34,559
earth up to the height of Mount Everest about eight

627
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:39,159
point eight five kilometers, you need roughly four point five

628
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:45,239
billion cubic kilometers of water. The oceans today contain about

629
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:50,119
one point three billion cubic kilometers, so you need over

630
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:54,239
three times all existing ocean water to appear, sit there,

631
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,679
and then disappear. There is no known mechanism for that.

632
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,280
If that water came from rain over forty days, you're

633
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:07,119
talking about roughly one hundred twelve million cubic kilometers per day,

634
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:13,159
about one hundred thousand times current global rainfall. The atmosphere

635
00:40:13,239 --> 00:40:17,960
only holds about thirteen thousand cubic kilometers of water vapor.

636
00:40:18,559 --> 00:40:23,159
You can't scale that anywhere near what's required to even try,

637
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,159
atmospheric pressure would have to rise into hundreds of atmospheres,

638
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:33,239
pushing toward hundreds to near one thousand psi. At that point,

639
00:40:33,280 --> 00:40:38,760
the air is unbreathable and temperatures become lethal. Everything dies

640
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:43,159
before the flood even matters. Even if you ignore all that,

641
00:40:43,559 --> 00:40:49,679
biology still doesn't cooperate. Two individuals per species creates several

642
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:54,440
genetic bottlenecks, and there's no fossil or ecological evidence of

643
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:59,000
a global redistribution of species from a single point afterward,

644
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,280
behavior carnivores do not stop being carnivores. You're placing predators

645
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:10,679
in prey together in confined stressful conditions for over a month. Actually,

646
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,440
I thought they were on the arc for almost a year,

647
00:41:13,679 --> 00:41:16,239
weren't they. I mean it range for forty days and

648
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:21,599
forty nine. But anyway, stress increases aggression, not decreases it.

649
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:26,559
So either you massively increase food requirements to continuously feed

650
00:41:26,679 --> 00:41:34,559
every predator, or you assume supernatural behavioral changes. Otherwise, predation, panic, injury,

651
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:39,639
and disease start collapsing the population almost immediately. And that's

652
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,360
before you get into territorial behavior or the logistics of

653
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:48,760
separating millions of animals in a confined space. Then you

654
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:54,159
hit the edge. Cases. Koalas require eucalyptus, which does not

655
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:58,679
exist anywhere near Mount err Rat or along any plausible

656
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:04,119
migration route. Sloths are not crossing continents in any reasonable

657
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:08,440
time frame. There is no fossil trail showing either species

658
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:11,639
spreading outward from the Middle East after such an event.

659
00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:16,360
Even the text itself can't quite keep its own instruction straight.

660
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:20,559
Genesis chapter six, verses nineteen and twenty says two of each,

661
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:25,039
while Genesis seven two and three shifts to seven pairs

662
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:28,800
for certain animals. At that point, that's less a contradiction

663
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,800
and more just another loose threat. Now I've heard the

664
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,679
apologetic on this. The extra animals were sacrifice animals for

665
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,079
when they I don't know why you had to save

666
00:42:39,159 --> 00:42:42,280
animals to kill them, but that's one of the excuses.

667
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,039
Then there's history. Civilizations were not conveniently wiped out and rebooted.

668
00:42:48,559 --> 00:42:52,880
Ancient Egypt shows continuous records through the supposed time frame.

669
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:59,840
Early Chinese civilization shows continuity. Mesopotamian cultures develop without inter

670
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,360
In other words, the people who were writing things down

671
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,400
at the time do not appear to have noticed the

672
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:11,320
total destruction of all life on Earth, which is notable.

673
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:15,800
And then there's the human side of this. Eight people

674
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:20,079
as the source of all modern human diversity requires extreme

675
00:43:20,360 --> 00:43:28,199
genetic compression followed by implausibly rapid divergence. Historically, later interpretations

676
00:43:28,239 --> 00:43:32,960
tried to map different populations onto the descendants of Noah's sons,

677
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:37,119
especially through ideas like the Curse of Ham, which were

678
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:42,480
then used to justify racial hierarchies and slavery. By the way, Ham,

679
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:44,679
you know this, but Ham is one of the sons

680
00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:48,199
of Noah. It wasn't Ham, Like, there wasn't cursed Ham.

681
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,760
Ham was a person. Okay, that's not required by the

682
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,159
text the Curse of Ham, but it's a very real

683
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:59,480
outcome of treating this story as literal human ancestry. So

684
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:03,159
what are we actually being asked to accept here? A

685
00:44:03,199 --> 00:44:09,000
wooden ship of unknown material exceeding known structural limits, carrying

686
00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:12,800
over two hundred thousand tons with more than three times

687
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,800
its volume require just for water, while billions of cubic

688
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,960
kilometers of water appear and disappear under atmospheric conditions that

689
00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:28,320
would make the planet uninhabitable, all while ecosystems collapse and

690
00:44:28,440 --> 00:44:35,800
somehow reassemble, predators behave unnaturally humanity, bottlenecks to eight individuals,

691
00:44:36,079 --> 00:44:42,119
animals disperse globally without leaving evidence, and multiple civilizations somehow

692
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:46,039
fail to notice any of it. At some point, this

693
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:49,599
stops being a flood narrative and becomes a scenario where

694
00:44:49,639 --> 00:44:56,119
every physical, biological, behavioral, historical, and social system fails at once.

695
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,639
You can lower the numbers, you can be generous at

696
00:44:59,639 --> 00:45:05,400
every step, and it still doesn't work. Not structurally, not biologically,

697
00:45:05,519 --> 00:45:12,760
not atmospherically, not behaviorally, not genetically, not historically, and not mathematically,

698
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,840
and certainly not all at once. If the only way

699
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:21,280
the story works is by overriding every constraint at every step,

700
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:24,840
then it isn't a description of reality. It's a story

701
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:31,440
that only functions if reality is optional. Devin ellen Wood,

702
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:36,840
that is impressive. Now, obviously we've got to go back

703
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:39,800
and check the numbers, and there are a lot of them.

704
00:45:40,679 --> 00:45:43,840
But if you'll pardon the expression, I think the spirit

705
00:45:43,960 --> 00:45:47,960
of the piece it's spot on. I'll link to I

706
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:50,760
guess I'm gonna have to link to my original Facebook

707
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photo of me in front of the genocide a incest poster,

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where Devin was commenting and you can just scroll down

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if you want to copy and paste and go check everything.

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Devin has no idea that he's that his work has

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become featured in this week's broadcast. I'll try to go

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back and let him know. I don't know if he'll

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be happy. Hopefully he'll be appreciative of that. Now, Noah

714
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:18,079
Illusions the second to last speech at the ARC encounter.

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00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:22,280
I mentioned that he went hard at ken Hammond Company,

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and I'm going to play you the audio of his speech.

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It runs just under ten minutes. Again, the video of that,

718
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:35,199
it's surrounded by rain, he's under attend and he's having

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to almost shout even with the sound system to be heard.

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But you know, the video is good, and I think

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the audio is good. Let me play it for you

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here and you can decide what you think. Here we go.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: So let me tell you the dilemma that I find

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myself in here today. A couple of weeks ago, I

726
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,159
was on with the Kentucky Atheists doing a fundraiser for

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this event, right, thank you, And during while we were

728
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in between records, Joe told me a rumor that one

729
00:47:06,599 --> 00:47:12,480
Ray Comfort was going to be here. For this protest. Yeah,

730
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just another lie from Ray Comfort. He's nowhere to be found.

731
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But here's the thing. When I heard that, I went

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ahead and wrote myself a ten minute roast of Ray

733
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Comfort to deliver as my speech.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, it doesn't work.

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Speaker 3: If he's not here, unfortunately, so I have to give.

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Speaker 4: Don't worry.

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Speaker 3: I did write a different speech. I don't have to

738
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add lib here or anything. I'm not gonna say I

739
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:34,760
was more excited about the Ray's speech, but I will

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say that if Ray Comfort was here, I wouldn't have

741
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to work off of my notes. So instead of Ray Comfort,

742
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I want to talk to you about something that's almost

743
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:44,760
as bad.

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Speaker 4: I want to talk to you about the comment section.

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Speaker 3: Right. So, when this event was first announced, everybody talked

746
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about it on Facebook and they tagged me on it.

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Speaker 4: I talked about it on Facebook, so I had plenty of.

748
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Speaker 3: Opportunities to see what the online commentary was about the event,

749
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and I will say most of it was very supportive.

750
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Most of the people that heard about it were actually

751
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really glad that somebody that was out here taking it

752
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to the art park, telling people about the violations of

753
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church state separation that made it possible telling people about

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the homophobia that undergirds their hiring practices, tell everybody about

755
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the prejudice that undergirds their entire park. That was most people.

756
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There was a minority, however, that took issue with what

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we're doing. Some of them were Young Earth creationists. Some

758
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of them were the people that were just there to

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tell us how much they were going to enjoy.

760
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Speaker 4: Watching us burn in hell.

761
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Speaker 3: Apparently there's a window in heaven or a porthole or

762
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somewhere you can drop in a quarter and watch the

763
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skin melt off of all the people who beat you

764
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in arguments on Facebook.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. No, that's their vision of paradise. People be afraid.

766
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Speaker 3: But there were also a couple other types of commentaris,

767
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people who weren't directly supporting the art park, but we're

768
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more of tertiary supporters. There were two types of them,

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and I want to address both of them from the

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podium today. The first were the what's the harm people?

771
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People would hear that we're coming out here, and they go, oh,

772
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,000
what's the harm of the art part? Those people out

773
00:49:13,039 --> 00:49:15,599
there having fun with their family and they're just doing

774
00:49:15,639 --> 00:49:18,599
their thing, They're just you know, practicing their religion. What's

775
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:22,440
the harm in it? You know, that's a dumb, damn question. Yeah,

776
00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,039
I'm sorry, but if you weren't paying any attention to

777
00:49:25,079 --> 00:49:28,199
the news at all, I can understand formulating that question

778
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:33,199
in nineteen ninety three. But today today you're gonna ask

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00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:35,880
me what's the harm of lying about how the world works?

780
00:49:37,079 --> 00:49:39,239
You can ask me, what's the harm of lying about

781
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,280
the very foundations of biology in a world where we

782
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,760
have an anti vaxxer in charge of public health?

783
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:46,679
Speaker 4: What's the harm? Really?

784
00:49:47,880 --> 00:49:50,559
Speaker 3: You can ask me what's the harm about lying about

785
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:53,440
how global weather patterns work in a world that's dying

786
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,159
of climate change, where we can't do a damn thing

787
00:49:56,199 --> 00:49:57,559
about it because of the deniers.

788
00:49:58,599 --> 00:49:59,159
Speaker 4: What's the harm?

789
00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 3: They asked me, what's the What's the harm of lying

790
00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:03,840
about how geology works? In a world where we can't

791
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,840
convince grown ass adults that the Earth is round?

792
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Speaker 4: What's the harm?

793
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Speaker 3: But of all the ologies they get wrong at the

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art part, the most dangerous one, of course, is epistemology.

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The beauty of science, as many of the speakers have

796
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already pointed out, is not that it teaches us a

797
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series of facts, although that's very nice of it to

798
00:50:23,400 --> 00:50:26,199
do The beauty of science is that it teaches us

799
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how to interrogate the world, how to tell what is

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true and what is false. And if you need to

801
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:35,719
know what's the harm of country losing the ability to

802
00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:37,760
tell what's true and what's false, you need to look

803
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,719
no further than the White House, thank you, or maybe

804
00:50:41,760 --> 00:50:47,239
they're reflecting pool. It seems crazy to me that anybody

805
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:49,800
has to come out here and defend the concept of truth,

806
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,760
but that's where we are. We have so many people

807
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:53,360
out there asking how do we get here? How do

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00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:57,599
we wind up in this post truth world of alternative facts. Meanwhile,

809
00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:59,599
the atheists are saying, hey, we've been answering it is

810
00:50:59,639 --> 00:51:02,239
streaming the answer to that question from the rooftop for decades.

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Nobody has a more vested interest in lying about reality

812
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,960
than religion. Nobody has more motivation, nobody has more experienced,

813
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:14,239
nobody has better funded. That's what happened to truth. What

814
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happened to truth is ken Ham got a hold of it.

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And you might think that epistemology is the worst thing

816
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:23,840
we could possibly lie to their children about, but it's not.

817
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Because they also lie about ethics. They lie about how

818
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:31,679
morality works. There's a homophobia minimum. If you want to

819
00:51:31,679 --> 00:51:34,960
work at the art part, right, there's a bigotry minimum

820
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:36,840
to work there. And the only way that you can

821
00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,199
get there, the only way that anybody would be willing

822
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,239
to accept that, is that they've been lied to about

823
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:42,079
how ethics work.

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00:51:42,360 --> 00:51:46,320
Speaker 4: As atheists, we're constantly asked, where do we get our morals? Right? Well,

825
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the truth is, of course we get our morals the.

826
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 3: Same damn place everybody else gets them.

827
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:52,880
Speaker 4: But they don't seem to realize that.

828
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,840
Speaker 3: They say we get our morals from the Bible, yet

829
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they somehow know which parts of.

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00:51:56,199 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 4: The Bible are immoral.

831
00:51:59,239 --> 00:52:03,800
Speaker 3: Right, But of course they've been convinced that suffering comes

832
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,039
from a lady eating the wrong apple.

833
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,440
Speaker 4: And wolves come from old books.

834
00:52:07,559 --> 00:52:11,119
Speaker 3: So it's easy to lie to them. So that's my

835
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:13,840
answer to what's the harm? Truth matters, and it's crazy

836
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,239
that anybody even has to say it. But there was

837
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:18,639
one other question that I wanted to address, and those

838
00:52:18,679 --> 00:52:21,000
are the people who are always asking, and they asked.

839
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:22,599
Speaker 4: Me this about a lot of things. Why you gotta

840
00:52:22,679 --> 00:52:23,360
be so mean?

841
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:26,639
Speaker 3: Why you got to be so mean to those people

842
00:52:26,679 --> 00:52:28,679
while they're out on vacation with their kids, they're just

843
00:52:28,719 --> 00:52:29,519
having them trying to have fun.

844
00:52:29,599 --> 00:52:31,440
Speaker 4: Now, of course that question sort of assumes that we

845
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,599
don't have a good answer for the first question, right.

846
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:37,480
Speaker 3: I mean, if you're lying to people in a dangerous way,

847
00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:41,360
and you're charging them sixty dollars a ticket to do

848
00:52:41,440 --> 00:52:45,480
it plus parking, and I'm out here trying to tell

849
00:52:45,519 --> 00:52:46,320
them the truth.

850
00:52:46,119 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 4: For free in the rain, who's being mean?

851
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:50,639
Speaker 3: Who?

852
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:53,559
Speaker 4: You remember? You?

853
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:55,159
Speaker 3: You know we talked about how this purg was built

854
00:52:55,199 --> 00:52:58,119
on lies. We're not just talking about the lies that promotes.

855
00:52:58,119 --> 00:53:00,320
We're not just talking about Young Earth creationism. It was

856
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:04,400
literally built upon lies. You remember the vision of prosperity

857
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:07,880
that ken Ham sold this area when they mortgaged their

858
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,960
future to get the park into this place. Remember the

859
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:13,079
numbers of you, all that talking had about all these

860
00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:15,599
new hotels and these restaurants and these businesses that we're

861
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:19,239
gonna open up to serve all the customers that were gonna.

862
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:23,519
Speaker 4: Come flooding into his art park. An An you guys

863
00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:24,000
see them?

864
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:24,199
Speaker 1: Oh?

865
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 4: Did I scare them off?

866
00:53:26,119 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 2: Oh?

867
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,000
Speaker 4: I didn't even have to say fuck? Wow?

868
00:53:28,280 --> 00:53:32,159
Speaker 3: All right, So no, I don't want to have any

869
00:53:32,199 --> 00:53:34,960
kind of civil conversation with you. You lie to children for

870
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:40,719
a living, and that's disgusting, thank you. Speaking of lying,

871
00:53:42,199 --> 00:53:50,159
they also he says, I'm scared. Hey, how want you

872
00:53:50,159 --> 00:53:51,800
shut the fuck up and let us do our things?

873
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 4: So okay? So anyway, so.

874
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 3: Speaking of the lies they told, I was looking on

875
00:53:57,000 --> 00:53:58,599
my way and did anybody see any of these new

876
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:01,280
hotels and businesses because I came in the backway. Apparently

877
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,760
didn't notice any of those. There's also you know, he

878
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:10,639
also lied about the projection numbers. They actually put a

879
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:14,079
number on that. They said, ten years on they would

880
00:54:14,079 --> 00:54:17,840
have they would be servicing two point eight million guests

881
00:54:18,119 --> 00:54:18,599
per year.

882
00:54:20,760 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 4: Yo.

883
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 3: They didn't even get the point eight Okay, I mean

884
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:27,840
they don't open until one o'clock today. That's not what

885
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:32,599
a successful theme park does, right, So okay, so that's

886
00:54:32,599 --> 00:54:34,360
a lie. Here's another one. You remember all the new

887
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,280
jobs that they promise. Again, they put a number on it.

888
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:40,280
They said, ten years on, the art park's existence would

889
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:43,719
have created the equivalent of three thousand new full time

890
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,400
jobs in this area. They never got a third of that.

891
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And when they promised that there would be new jobs,

892
00:54:48,679 --> 00:54:51,440
they never mentioned the homophobia minimum. They never mentioned that

893
00:54:51,480 --> 00:54:53,719
those jobs will be restricted to biggots, or people who

894
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:56,079
at least pretended to be biggots for the purposes of

895
00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:59,159
their employment. That is a lie. Everything they told this

896
00:54:59,199 --> 00:55:04,000
town is a lot. He didn't bring them prosperity. He

897
00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:06,679
brought him increased taxes. He brought him increased strain under

898
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,320
municipal services, and says they mortgaged their.

899
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:10,199
Speaker 4: Future to get him here.

900
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Speaker 3: He's not even contributing to the taxes of the community

901
00:55:13,760 --> 00:55:14,360
the way any.

902
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Speaker 4: Other for profit business would so.

903
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:20,159
Speaker 3: And of course, as Joe pointed out, when they tried

904
00:55:20,159 --> 00:55:22,159
to recoup even a small fraction of the money that

905
00:55:22,199 --> 00:55:24,320
this park was costing them, they fought them tooth and

906
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,360
nail and tried all kind of crooked shit to get

907
00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,679
out of pay in their fair share, because that is

908
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:31,719
who they are. They are liars all the way to

909
00:55:31,800 --> 00:55:36,880
their core. So let me just say in conclusion that

910
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:40,199
the Ark and Counter theme park is dangerous, it's disingenuous,

911
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,880
it's dishonest, it's homophobic, is transphobic, and it is woefully

912
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,159
under taxed, which, by the way, was the same clothes

913
00:55:47,199 --> 00:55:48,800
that I had for the Ray Comfort roast.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, big shout out to the Tri State freethinkers

915
00:55:55,039 --> 00:55:59,159
and Kentucky Atheists. They put the entire ARC protests together

916
00:55:59,639 --> 00:56:01,599
and it was a lot of fun. I think it's

917
00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:05,119
a worthy protest. I'm so glad that you made it

918
00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:07,840
through my rant today, and it was kind of fun

919
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,239
to go back to Noah. You know, it's always fun

920
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:12,000
to go back to the Bible from time to time

921
00:56:12,079 --> 00:56:15,880
and just take it apart bit by bit. I will

922
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,599
see you back here next week and we will podcast

923
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all over again.

924
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