Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Jackson.
Speaker 2: Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on k
Speaker 2: BL Talk fifteen eighty.
Speaker 1: This is the Jay Lux Club and thank.
Speaker 2: God it's Friday.
Speaker 3: Gina Garry Create, our very special creator of the Jesse
Speaker 3: Jackson Jujor Show, joins us on Fat Meat Fridays.
Speaker 2: She is the president and founder of five nineteen Productions,
Speaker 2: as well as a graduate of Princeton Theological Seminary in
Speaker 2: Hampton University. Gina, welcome forward to the show.
Speaker 4: Well, Happy Friday, Jesse Jackson Junior.
Speaker 2: I'm particularly honored to be here today, and I'm equally
Speaker 2: I'm equally as honored. In a week, what a week
Speaker 2: it's been.
Speaker 4: It's been amazing week month, and you're.
Speaker 2: Already it's been something. The shooting of the by the
Speaker 2: ice agent of Renee Good in Minnesota continues to dominate
Speaker 2: the news, with more and more footage and evidence coming out.
Speaker 2: I just heard a few moments ago that the ice
Speaker 2: agent who fired the shot has a camera video on
Speaker 2: their cell phone because they were walking around the car
Speaker 2: holding cell phone, offering yet another perspective of the incident.
Speaker 2: Any initial thoughtogy.
Speaker 4: My initial thought is that there's no need to shoot
Speaker 4: someone in the face. How about a tire. Let's shoot
Speaker 4: the tire if you had to stop her. So that
Speaker 4: kind of brute force and getting people accustomed to and
Speaker 4: numbed to is where we are right now. And it's unfortunate.
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna say this. I think her name Renee Good,
Speaker 4: and I pray that she will not go without the
Speaker 4: good that this incident can possibly bring about.
Speaker 2: Praying also for the people of Minnesota. Oh yeah, just
Speaker 2: four blocks from the assassination, if you will, the murder
Speaker 2: of George Floyd. And but this is a tough neighborhood.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's not tough completely, because it's tough in
Speaker 2: the traditional sense. It's tough emotionally, spiritually, mentally, and its
Speaker 2: impact on the nation is resounding well.
Speaker 4: And when our second our guest comes on, we're going
Speaker 4: to talk about it a little bit because we're both
Speaker 4: fans of Minneapolis and Minnesota for many different reasons. But
Speaker 4: we'll hold that on. We'll hold that for right now,
Speaker 4: and we'll have some of that conversation with Bishop Tulton
Speaker 4: because we know that he is going to bring a
Speaker 4: perspective that is going to shake the roof off the place.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Wow, So the President of the United States has also
Speaker 2: just tweeted critical market based information on the stock markets
Speaker 2: with the I believe the labor report that has been released,
Speaker 2: nearly five million people are struggling to find jobs working
Speaker 2: part time in the United States, two million of them
Speaker 2: are chronically chronically unemployed, and yet he continues to boast
Speaker 2: his economic numbers. But what's so surprising about this. This
Speaker 2: information that he released was released on his social media
Speaker 2: website ahead of when the government officially releases it. And
Speaker 2: this information has impact for the reaction of markets. The
Speaker 2: Federal Bureau, I'm sorry, the Federal Reserve Board, it has
Speaker 2: information that well can give insiders with the information access
Speaker 2: to the critical vital organs of the economic system.
Speaker 1: Which is.
Speaker 2: It's illegal. It's illegal. It has to be released officially.
Speaker 2: You can't give it to your supporters or shared with
Speaker 2: people on the inside before.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you know what you're listening and reading, you
Speaker 4: know you certainly will make move there. But the other
Speaker 4: thing about it is, you know how this is fat
Speaker 4: be Friday and we have to just tell the truth.
Speaker 4: So undisciplined anyway. I mean, it could be that somebody said, hey,
Speaker 4: let's not talk about this list, not tweet about this list. President,
Speaker 4: And you know here he goes down down the hallway
Speaker 4: and into his room, you know, like a little kid
Speaker 4: with Mario Brothers or some sort of game, and you
Speaker 4: know that's what this is to him in some respects,
Speaker 4: It's a game.
Speaker 2: I'm deeply troubled by breakdown in the norms of the
Speaker 2: federal government, and I think everyone probably should be because
Speaker 2: we didn't hear this kind of leakage. And I don't
Speaker 2: think in any administration since I have been alive, the
Speaker 2: information is held that close to the vest and the
Speaker 2: President of the United States always signals, and we should
Speaker 2: be deeply concerned that people who move their moneies around
Speaker 2: in the market might have access to information from the
Speaker 2: government about the direction of the markets before they before
Speaker 2: the people do. And that is I don't know, is
Speaker 2: it insider trading? Is it insider I think you can
Speaker 2: go to prison for it.
Speaker 4: I mean it is that. And then it's unbridled discipline,
Speaker 4: undisciplined unbridled discipline.
Speaker 2: Gina, what are we talking about today.
Speaker 4: Well, we are welcoming one of our favorite guests first
Speaker 4: Fridays with Bishop Joseph Tulton.
Speaker 1: I'm excited about that.
Speaker 4: I know me too, and in the second hour, Gallo
Speaker 4: Brooks will be joining us.
Speaker 2: Very much looking forward to that. Bishop Tulton is the
Speaker 2: founder and president of Interconnected Justice, which was established in
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen. The strategic intent of the organization is to
Speaker 2: be a force uniting global racial justice movements at which
Speaker 2: the continent of Africa and the diaspora built an ecosystem
Speaker 2: of self disciplined and determined advocacy. The Bishop's passion for
Speaker 2: connecting Black Lives Matter and Pan Africanism from his deep
Speaker 2: convictions that the global project of our lifetime is to
Speaker 2: dismantle white supremacy and to deconstruct patriarch. Bishop Tulton believes
Speaker 2: this is a spiritual project that demands a highly connected
Speaker 2: secular activism. As an LGBT global faith leader, Bishop Tulton
Speaker 2: continues to serve to Bishop as the Bishop of Global
Speaker 2: Ministries for the Fellowship of Affirming Ministries. In this capacity,
Speaker 2: he designs and manages pfam's justice ministries and collaborations outside
Speaker 2: of the United States, with focus on East Africa. Bishop
Speaker 2: Tilton works directly with leaders to build integrated justice movements,
Speaker 2: connecting activists with civil society advocates, media, professionals, academics, and
Speaker 2: political leaders. Bishop Tulton graduated from Vassar with a BA
Speaker 2: in religion and also earned an MBA from Columbia University
Speaker 2: Business School. Bishop Tulton, Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson
Speaker 2: Junior Show. Fat Meet Friddays with Gena Towns.
Speaker 5: Blessings to both of you, my dear friends and colleagues,
Speaker 5: and Happy New Year to you.
Speaker 1: Just a joy to be with you today.
Speaker 2: Bishop, you know you have an MBA. I know that
Speaker 2: we're going to be coming back and talking about what
Speaker 2: it means to the President of the United States to
Speaker 2: issue information that should be released officially by the government.
Speaker 2: I'm very much looking forward to this conversation and to
Speaker 2: pan the entire globe with your thoughts about what's happening
Speaker 2: in our world and domestically. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You've
Speaker 2: been listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KLA
Speaker 2: Talk fifteen eighty. Our very special guest on Fat Meat
Speaker 2: Fridays with our leading contributor, Gina Towns, is Bishop Josephulton.
Speaker 2: Or when we come forward k BOLA Talk. I'm Jesse
Speaker 2: Jackson Jior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show
Speaker 2: on Fat Meat Fridays with Gina Towns with our the
Speaker 2: Jay Lunch Club. Especially today, our very special guest is
Speaker 2: Bishop Tulton. Bishop Tolton has an MBA from Columbia University,
Speaker 2: and I'm just wondering in this moment, Bishop, how much
Speaker 2: more different would your life be if you had inside
Speaker 2: information from the government of the United States before the
Speaker 2: rest of the public on what the markets might react to.
Speaker 5: My life would be quite different. I think it's called
Speaker 5: I think I might buy KBL. That's what I would do.
Speaker 5: Insider information. I mean, we understand what happened to the
Speaker 5: stock market. We see some of the companies whose valuations increased,
Speaker 5: their stock prices increase. And one of the things that
Speaker 5: I think that we're going to need to follow is
Speaker 5: of course always the money, but which members of Congress
Speaker 5: and which members of Trump's cabinet actually made some stock
Speaker 5: trades or purchases as a result of that insider information.
Speaker 5: I think that that will be extraordinarily telling, because we
Speaker 5: are talking as much about business here as we are
Speaker 5: about politics. Given that the President briefed oil executives before
Speaker 5: he briefed Congress.
Speaker 3: Ooh, Bishop, follow the Honey Securities and Exchange Commission. What
Speaker 3: were the trades that took place from a very narrow
Speaker 3: group of Americans who had access to this information.
Speaker 2: We the people want to know.
Speaker 4: Gina, do you remember that that one dog It was
Speaker 4: a cartoon way back and then he would have a biscuit.
Speaker 4: He would smell the biscuit somewhere and he'd be looking
Speaker 4: for the biscuit. Then he'd find the biscuit and go,
Speaker 4: Now whatever his name is. That's how I feel like,
Speaker 4: you know, this is when they're in these meetings and
Speaker 4: there are privileged people in these meetings that they can
Speaker 4: just hardly hold, you know, their breath. They can hardly
Speaker 4: hold the thought of, you know, the greed that must
Speaker 4: be raging. And you know, Bishop, one of the reasons
Speaker 4: why we jail so well here on first Friday as well,
Speaker 4: it's not the first Friday, let's be clear about that.
Speaker 4: We had to get you on because last week it
Speaker 4: was the first day of the year, so everybody got
Speaker 4: the day off. But we have some time to think.
Speaker 4: And it's just amazing to me because we have to
Speaker 4: be able to on fat meat Fridays, go ahead and
Speaker 4: discern that we are not just looking at the actions
Speaker 4: of people, but the actions really result from an overflow
Speaker 4: of heart. And that's why I bring up the idea
Speaker 4: of breed.
Speaker 5: This entire adventure is grounded in greed, but what I've
Speaker 5: been thinking about recently is that it is an insatiable greed.
Speaker 5: It is kind of like pouring water into a cup
Speaker 5: with a hole in the bottom. You simply cannot fill
Speaker 5: the cup. You cannot get enough water. And this is
Speaker 5: exactly I think what the very premise of dominion. In
Speaker 5: domination is, I have such a fear that there's not
Speaker 5: enough that I have to horde and extract, and I
Speaker 5: have to loot and I have to rob, and I
Speaker 5: have to do it in perpetuity because I can never
Speaker 5: be satisfied. I mean, it's really kind of how a
Speaker 5: junkie or an attic, Sorry to use it to dispara word,
Speaker 5: but I will call them junkies really in this case,
Speaker 5: how they behave You were always looking for that next fix,
Speaker 5: and there is no high like the first high, so
Speaker 5: therefore you can never be satisfied. I mean, think about
Speaker 5: that in terms of we think about ourselves as kind
Speaker 5: of being you know, victimized, which we are, but imagine
Speaker 5: being trapped in that kind of a psychological mode of
Speaker 5: thinking that is also torture, that is also great oppression.
Speaker 5: So I think it's important for us to always realize
Speaker 5: how sick and oppressed these people are who are doing
Speaker 5: what they're.
Speaker 1: Doing to us.
Speaker 4: You know, in this moment, I also think because I
Speaker 4: can't remember who it was over the past couple of days,
Speaker 4: and it may have been a tea but yesterday on
Speaker 4: conversations with the tea, but when he talked about that
Speaker 4: many people arrive at a same place, but they arrive
Speaker 4: at that place because they come from different different places.
Speaker 4: So in this instance, when you talk about an insatiability
Speaker 4: from not getting the same high that you got on
Speaker 4: the first hit, if you will, there's also food insecurity.
Speaker 4: When you have insecurity that exists, you tend to pour,
Speaker 4: You tend to always are looking like a mouse looking
Speaker 4: for cheese. And and sometimes you do get caught in
Speaker 4: the trap.
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely you do.
Speaker 5: And you know, I think what's interesting about that statement,
Speaker 5: Gina is that yes, he got caught in the trap,
Speaker 5: but these are people who don't care that they've gotten caught.
Speaker 5: I think that this is this is a part of
Speaker 5: what is frustrating us as we deal with them. You know,
Speaker 5: certainly in my lifetime growing up, you know, there were
Speaker 5: things like kind of white guilt, which is really about
Speaker 5: having a consciousness of how your privilege is giving you
Speaker 5: certain advantages and wanting to be a part of a
Speaker 5: system that creates redress. And we kind of, you know,
Speaker 5: give it the uh cliche of that's that's that's white guilt,
Speaker 5: but that was really a certain consciousness. Our problem here
Speaker 5: is that the folks that were up again have no
Speaker 5: sense of consciousness. I know, we all saw Stephen Miller
Speaker 5: on Fox recently where we were stupefied by what he
Speaker 5: said that the world operates based on power. The world
Speaker 5: operates based on your strength and your might. And because
Speaker 5: we have the military power, the strength, and the might,
Speaker 5: this is how the world works. So imperialism, let it roll.
Speaker 5: And you know, our values around democracy and equity and
Speaker 5: having a sense for inclusion and in the embrace of
Speaker 5: all humanity and wanting to lift all humanity. Certainly, that's
Speaker 5: the Christian the Christian ethic, all of that has not
Speaker 5: it has just been trampled upon, it has gone away,
Speaker 5: and they are with just kind of nakedly expressive their
Speaker 5: incredible desires to recolonize the world, destroy the current global order,
Speaker 5: and create zones where autocrats will essentially rule in their zones.
Speaker 5: And they're doing it by the moves that they're make
Speaker 5: King on the Western hemisphere.
Speaker 2: Gina, Bishop, I'd like to, because this is our longest
Speaker 2: segment in the hour pivot, if you don't mind, Bishop,
Speaker 2: to your insights on how we were horrified as a
Speaker 2: nation to see this mother of three children I believe,
Speaker 2: shot by a nice agent in Minneapolis, Minnesota, just four
Speaker 2: blocks away from where Derek Chauvin put his knee in
Speaker 2: the neck of George Floyd. I'm thinking in this moment
Speaker 2: that the spirit energy that's coming from the behavior of
Speaker 2: the administration where this woman was essentially killed by the
Speaker 2: United States of America an unarmed civilian. Bishop, take your time.
Speaker 2: Where are we in our national spiritual consciousness?
Speaker 5: The Scripture says that we wrestle not against flesh and blood,
Speaker 5: but against principal and powers and against spiritual wickedness. Authoritarians
Speaker 5: are able to do what they do because the people
Speaker 5: who are under their rule will oftentime minic mimic and
Speaker 5: begin to embrace the m o by which that authoritarian operates,
Speaker 5: they will begin to aspire to actually be like that authoritarian.
Speaker 5: So they cover their behavior that that that that dictator's behavior. Uh,
Speaker 5: they make excuses for it, but then they begin to
Speaker 5: to to to to replicate it, which is when it
Speaker 5: becomes very dangerous. So to hear Stephen Miller say that
Speaker 5: it is about power, and because we have the power,
Speaker 5: we will use it, it speaks to a very particular
Speaker 5: headset and mentality that is now flowing from Trump to
Speaker 5: his through his cabinet, all the way down now to Ice.
Speaker 5: And let's be clear, Ice is organized as really the
Speaker 5: president personal militia. He pardoned the January sixth folks to
Speaker 5: send a message that no matter what your criminal behavior is,
Speaker 5: as long as you're on my side, I am going
Speaker 5: to cover you. And then, of course we had the
Speaker 5: ugly Bill which made such a huge investment in Ice
Speaker 5: to give him the financial backing to create a militia
Speaker 5: in which there is a more investment in Ice than
Speaker 5: some nations spend on their military at large. So very
Speaker 5: much so, we are seeing the mentality, the spirit, the
Speaker 5: mo the hyper masculine posture of the president literally and
Speaker 5: his men now being internalized and embraced by ice agents,
Speaker 5: and they are behaving accordingly.
Speaker 2: I don't think I've heard I've heard a better interpretation, Gina.
Speaker 2: They're internalizing the spirit energy of the of the top
Speaker 2: of the nation, the permission that has de facto no
Speaker 2: more more than the facto just direct delivered to them
Speaker 2: to carry out these particular orders. But in this particular case, Gina,
Speaker 2: it ends up in the face of a mother who
Speaker 2: was unarmed, who had just dropped her child off to school.
Speaker 4: You know, I think that it's Ernest Krim on our
Speaker 4: show and the Tiva. That's well, we'll talk about the
Speaker 4: importance of knowing history, because you do realize that along
Speaker 4: the way that there are people who have a different
Speaker 4: skin tone who pay part of this cost as well
Speaker 4: and their collateral damage. Let's be very very clear that
Speaker 4: there is no difference in some instances when it comes
Speaker 4: to money. Poverty is also a separator and the whole
Speaker 4: idea of a caste system. But what's very interesting to
Speaker 4: me about this discussion is that it really started so
Speaker 4: long ago, and it's started so innocently, and that's how
Speaker 4: those types of spirits work. If you think about it,
Speaker 4: during what was the name of Trump's show, The Apprentice,
Speaker 4: and the ability. You know, people found it funny when
Speaker 4: people would watch these projects and see people making mistakes
Speaker 4: and kind of laugh. It was some sort of you know,
Speaker 4: then you'd get to the table, we'd judge you, and
Speaker 4: then you're fired. And people want to have that kind
Speaker 4: of authority in their own lives. And so there was
Speaker 4: an affinity that people began, black and white, an affinity
Speaker 4: toward this person who would eventually become president. A reality
Speaker 4: you know, TV show star equivalent to a ring master
Speaker 4: with different acts going on in the circus rings, a
Speaker 4: ring master, if you will, perpetuating, you know, all kinds
Speaker 4: of things. That's what I feel like we're in in
Speaker 4: some ways, is you know, just a three circus.
Speaker 2: A family is mourning today, city is mourning today, A
Speaker 2: nation is and should be in mourning today. Fish, you
Speaker 2: comment on the depravity of misnown before the facts had
Speaker 2: even been known, the depravity of the president of the
Speaker 2: United States and the comments they made associating with her
Speaker 2: with some kind of left wing radical conspiracy. When our
Speaker 2: First Amendment rights allow us to ask questions of law
Speaker 2: enforcement officers without someone walking up to your car door,
Speaker 2: snatching your car door, shooting f bombs at you, telling
Speaker 2: you to get the hell out without you have a
Speaker 2: right to remain silent for God's sake. Bishop, This was
Speaker 2: a traffic stop.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it was not an off the cuff comment that
Speaker 5: she made.
Speaker 1: I think that they have been.
Speaker 5: Aware for some time that obviously the behavior and the
Speaker 5: instructions that were driving the behavior of ICE agents were
Speaker 5: going to end up in some kind of a tragic moment.
Speaker 5: So I think that on some level she is pre
Speaker 5: prepared to have a response. But clearly the fact that
Speaker 5: she came to the conclusions that she came to well
Speaker 5: before there was even an investigation speak to the fact
Speaker 5: that they are determined to not only create their own
Speaker 5: narrative which they want to pump into the media, the
Speaker 5: media ecosystems that reach their target and their base, but
Speaker 5: reaching that target and that base has now become the
Speaker 5: thing that is important to them. And there's a blind
Speaker 5: eye to the rest of the nation. And I'm lifting
Speaker 5: this up because what we're really experiencing is minority rule.
Speaker 5: And when you have a dictator who is governed by
Speaker 5: minority rule, it means that he always has to play
Speaker 5: to his or her base. He always has to make
Speaker 5: sure that that base is in play, because that is
Speaker 5: how minority rule works. The other thing that I think
Speaker 5: is so critical that we lift up is that this
Speaker 5: was a white woman and that this was a message
Speaker 5: being sent to white people that you are either with
Speaker 5: us or you are against us, and if you are
Speaker 5: a race trader, we are going to treat you just
Speaker 5: like we would treat somebody who is brown or who
Speaker 5: is black. The way that the Vice President went on
Speaker 5: and on and on about the fact that the woman
Speaker 5: had to be sick because she was in a location
Speaker 5: where she was lifting up her voice to speak back
Speaker 5: against something that she saw being done by her country that.
Speaker 1: She disagreed with.
Speaker 5: That was absolutely horrible for her for him to demonize
Speaker 5: her in that way, But that was a message to
Speaker 5: white folks saying you better pick a side and get
Speaker 5: on it.
Speaker 2: I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Listen to KBLA Talk fifteen eighty.
Speaker 2: This is the Jay Lunch program and Fat Meet Fridays
Speaker 2: with Gina Town, said Bishop tult More. We come forward
Speaker 2: on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. Hey, it's Jesse Jackson
Speaker 2: Junior on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. Welcome to Fat Meat
Speaker 2: Fridays with Gina Towns and our honor guest, Bishop Joseph Tulton, Bishop.
Speaker 2: Welcome forward to the show.
Speaker 1: So so good to be with you, Jesse Bishop.
Speaker 2: Before we shift to the world, Venezuela and to Eastern Africa,
Speaker 2: where you share a significant amount of expertise, Gina has
Speaker 2: a point that she wanted to raise, but I wanted
Speaker 2: to share with you that I found before we even
Speaker 2: get to that point. After Gina's thoughts. You know, the
Speaker 2: preemptive strike on Nigeria a few days ago, a couple
Speaker 2: of weeks ago or so, intervening in a quote unquote,
Speaker 2: if you will, a shit whole country. But it seems
Speaker 2: to be wherever that black gold is, meaning oil, Donald
Speaker 2: Trump is prepared to impose his will on OPEC nations. Gina,
Speaker 2: you had some thoughts that you wanted to finish with
Speaker 2: the Bishop before we moved to the globe.
Speaker 4: Sure, I just wanted to hear what both of you
Speaker 4: think about Empire. From this perspective, we know that the founders,
Speaker 4: well the more so the framers, the ones who did
Speaker 4: the actual concept and writing of the nation's documents. It
Speaker 4: put on a little bit of a different level about
Speaker 4: what they hoped for and what they thought this nation
Speaker 4: could and would be by the language and the thought
Speaker 4: process and the research they had done what they based
Speaker 4: it on. But they had studied every empire, and they
Speaker 4: saw that every empire in their rise also fell. And
Speaker 4: I find that amazing because there's no study of that
Speaker 4: right now. I don't care how much wealth and military
Speaker 4: might and strength. And I am particularly drawn to Rome
Speaker 4: in that conversation.
Speaker 1: What are the.
Speaker 4: Parallels that you feel like you see in this generation?
Speaker 5: You know, it's such a fascinating comparison. And no, we
Speaker 5: have not learned a lot from home. One of the
Speaker 5: interesting things about the Roman Empire was that it was
Speaker 5: as much their conquest was as much driven by military
Speaker 5: might as it was by their economic power. And as
Speaker 5: a result of that, when when the Roman Empire colonized
Speaker 5: a particular nation, they had two forms of colonial rule.
Speaker 5: One option was to be a province. Another option was
Speaker 5: to be a client kingdom. And so we see this
Speaker 5: kind of mentality here with the United States and the
Speaker 5: areas that were governed as provinces. Rome had a strong
Speaker 5: hand on how they had had oversight, but the client kingdoms,
Speaker 5: like Judea, which is actually one of them. The relationship
Speaker 5: was a little bit more loose. I think that what
Speaker 5: they're going after is in the Western hemisphere they want
Speaker 5: to rule. They want to have territories that are essentially
Speaker 5: provinces like Greenland, but that around the world they've picked
Speaker 5: some places where they're ok with having what Judea was,
Speaker 5: which was a client kingdom where you could have your
Speaker 5: own governor have some autonomy, but you had to look
Speaker 5: to us for your protection and for your ultimate direction.
Speaker 5: And so he's very cleverly thinking about places outside of
Speaker 5: the Western hemisphere where he wants.
Speaker 1: To establish that relationship.
Speaker 5: And Jesse was right, Look for the oil and you'll
Speaker 5: find the place where he's trying to develop that relationship,
Speaker 5: and of course using Christianity right as a mechanism or
Speaker 5: the vehicle to assert his influence.
Speaker 1: The same thing in Uganda.
Speaker 5: We know Paula White just left the Great Lakes Regions
Speaker 5: a couple of about a month or so ago. What
Speaker 5: does Uganda have. Uganda also has real oil deposits. Uganda
Speaker 5: also has a pathway to Congo's minerals. So we are
Speaker 5: living in an astonishing moment for this administration is using
Speaker 5: a trumpet. It's no longer the quiet part. It's the
Speaker 5: loud part.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: They want to recolonize the world and they want to
Speaker 5: do it under the banner of dominion.
Speaker 4: And in that you will have oppressed people who will
Speaker 4: come and join, because if you even think about it,
Speaker 4: the minions, if you will that oppress their own people.
Speaker 4: At the bidding of Rome, that we only have one king,
Speaker 4: and that's an interesting word that we're using there. We
Speaker 4: have no king but Caesar. That's I think that's the goal.
Speaker 2: I think my contribution to that conversation Gene is very,
Speaker 2: very small. The only thing that we are assured of
Speaker 2: in empire is this that under a star child will
Speaker 2: be born. One day a son will be given, and
Speaker 2: the government shall be upon his shoulders, and he will
Speaker 2: be wonderful, or she will be wonderful. She will be
Speaker 2: a counselor she will be the prince of a war
Speaker 2: of a world that is no longer warring, a prince
Speaker 2: of peace. Now, I don't know if that's seven hundred
Speaker 2: and forty two years from the moment. Isaiah said that
Speaker 2: until the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, and I can't
Speaker 2: promise the American people or the world a magician who
Speaker 2: walks the countryside doing various magical tricks or healing that's
Speaker 2: extra medical or extra scientific. But I think we're talking
Speaker 2: about the birth of compassion, the birth of empathy. And
Speaker 2: I do think that the only thing that we are
Speaker 2: assured in Empire, maybe not that we will live for
Speaker 2: eight centuries to see it, but this too shall pass,
Speaker 2: and it will unravel because we've seen this story before.
Speaker 1: Bishop.
Speaker 5: My grandmother used to remind me all the time, son,
Speaker 5: God doesn't love ugly, but he's also.
Speaker 1: Very little for beauty.
Speaker 5: And I always used to struggle with the second half
Speaker 5: of that statement, what does she mean? And what she
Speaker 5: meant was, Yeah, it's one thing to be ugly, but
Speaker 5: also don't get to fully yourself. This is the human condition.
Speaker 5: We're trapped in, these human bodies, and when we get
Speaker 5: a little, we want a whole lot more, and we
Speaker 5: don't know when to stop, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's what greed is.
Speaker 5: It's a condition where people cannot get enough, and as
Speaker 5: a result of it, they will always go too far
Speaker 5: and do something that will ignite the revolution, just as
Speaker 5: happened during the days of Jesus of Jesus the CHRISTI.
Speaker 2: Should we have about four minutes before we come forward
Speaker 2: it to forty six in the hour. I'm thinking that
Speaker 2: your work in Eastern Africa is directly under assault as
Speaker 2: well with this preemptive bombing campaign that did include Nigeria.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's no question about that.
Speaker 5: The entire relationship now with between Africa and the United
Speaker 5: States is being intentionally scrambled by this administration. I think
Speaker 5: it's very important that we lift up the fact that
Speaker 5: this week the President exited about sixty plus associations or
Speaker 5: organizations that are a part of the United Nations, but
Speaker 5: importantly one of them is the United Nations Permanent Forum
Speaker 5: for People of African Descent, and the argument or the
Speaker 5: rationale given was that it's a racist organization that is
Speaker 5: seeking reparatory justice. Trump understands fully well that people of
Speaker 5: African descent are in a very interesting place where we
Speaker 5: had begun to begin to find ourselves our way back
Speaker 5: to each other, and that in that great family reunion,
Speaker 5: one of the primary outcomes was going to be a
Speaker 5: cry for redressed, a cry for reparation. So much of
Speaker 5: what we see happening right now in his relationship with
Speaker 5: Africa is to kill the opportunity for us to actually
Speaker 5: have a global call for reparations for people of African descent.
Speaker 5: That is the core reason we got out of the
Speaker 5: United Nations Permanent Form for people of African descent. I
Speaker 5: think it's one of the core reasons that we're meddling
Speaker 5: in Nigeria, because we're just stoking tensions between southern and
Speaker 5: Northern Nigeria, between the Islamic community and between Christians. And
Speaker 5: it's also why Paula White lifted up her hands in
Speaker 5: anointed musseventy just a month or so ago and said
Speaker 5: to the redondant people that he should be the president
Speaker 5: for life because he knows. It's because she knows very
Speaker 5: well the administration knows that President musseventy and his wife
Speaker 5: Janet are two of the most key, free willing dominionists
Speaker 5: on the continent who are very much so in the
Speaker 5: pocket of the most extreme elements of American's white Christian
Speaker 5: nationalists movement.
Speaker 4: Gina Well, I put this map of the continent up
Speaker 4: with good reason because occasionally we do talk about how
Speaker 4: many people are moving to Africa from America, and that
Speaker 4: is you know, African Americans quote unquote, moving to Ghana,
Speaker 4: moving to Nigeria. You know, and when you look at
Speaker 4: the re sources that are on the continent of Africa,
Speaker 4: you can begin to understand why you do have to
Speaker 4: break that up if you are wanting to be, you know,
Speaker 4: in a supremacist mindset and in control.
Speaker 2: I am, I am, I'm struck by both of your analysis.
Speaker 2: When it comes to Donald Trump's lack of interest in
Speaker 2: any kind of diplomacy. I mean, what do we need
Speaker 2: an ambassadorial core for what do we need these international
Speaker 2: organizations that the bishop spoke of to help try and
Speaker 2: create broader understanding and dialogue. But I also think that
Speaker 2: the president of the United States is following the slave
Speaker 2: trade from Eastern Africa to Cuba, to the Caribbean, to
Speaker 2: South America, wherever the exploitation has occurred some of the
Speaker 2: greatest crimes in human history. Donald Trump has sought to
Speaker 2: engage in further exploitation, exploitation of those communities. And then
Speaker 2: with high insight, when you look at in Krouma, and
Speaker 2: you look at Kadafi, and you look at Trore, and
Speaker 2: you look at these African leaders who argued for one
Speaker 2: currency and one continent and a United States of Africa,
Speaker 2: or in the case of female Castro or the case
Speaker 2: of she Gavera, making the argument for one South America
Speaker 2: a United States of South America. Our people are simply
Speaker 2: helpless and defenseless if we have to, if everybody needs
Speaker 2: to be president of their little space, and everybody doesn't
Speaker 2: see themselves, or every country doesn't see themselves as a
Speaker 2: governor in a United States of their country or their
Speaker 2: continent that is specifically designed to create security for all
Speaker 2: who dwell there in. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. More on
Speaker 2: Fat Me Fridays with Gina Towns and Bishopton when we
Speaker 2: come forward, Jesse Jackson Junior, Welcome forward to the Jesse
Speaker 2: Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Top fifteen to eighty. Our
Speaker 2: very special guest on this Fat Meet Fridays is none
Speaker 2: other than our regular contributor, host and the creator of
Speaker 2: the Jesse Jackson Junior Show, Miss Gina Towns, and our
Speaker 2: very special guest from the Affirming Ministries, Bishop Joseph Tulton,
Speaker 2: missup Tulton, Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.
Speaker 1: Excellent to be here, Bishop, can you.
Speaker 2: Share with us in this final segment and right before
Speaker 2: I can ask how we can support your work internationally
Speaker 2: and domestically. The President is now planning on withdrawing the
Speaker 2: United States from sixty six international organizations, treaties, and agreements.
Speaker 2: What does this mean and what are the long term
Speaker 2: implications of the United States withdrawing from these organizations, treaties,
Speaker 2: and entities.
Speaker 5: Well, first and foremost, and I'll use the United Nations
Speaker 5: Permanent Forum for People of African Descent as an example,
Speaker 5: where withdrawing from these entities because we want to cripple
Speaker 5: the UN further by spending even less on the UN
Speaker 5: and contributing less. It was the work of Desiree Comier,
Speaker 5: who was President Biden's special own boy from the State
Speaker 5: Department to racially marginalized communities around the world. That work
Speaker 5: done in the State Department was to ensure that the
Speaker 5: United States would be a strong supporter of the Forum.
Speaker 5: So now the money that we give is gone, our
Speaker 5: presence is gone, which says a lot, and we no
Speaker 5: longer have a United States representative. So what he's trying
Speaker 5: to do is he's trying to remove himself from a
Speaker 5: context in which there is accountability, right, because why should
Speaker 5: there be accountability if there's accountability, there's going to mean
Speaker 5: that's going to mean redress, that's going to mean some
Speaker 5: kind of economic restructuring of the economic global orders so
Speaker 5: that nations, particularly in the Global South and communities of
Speaker 5: color in the global North, receive a greater fair share
Speaker 5: of the pie. So he is seeking to remove the
Speaker 5: United States from the context in which there would be accountability,
Speaker 5: particularly on issues of reparatory justice.
Speaker 1: Gina.
Speaker 4: What's interesting about that is because we've seen this show before,
Speaker 4: and it's done incrementally. It's been done on the local level,
Speaker 4: and then you see it having been done on the
Speaker 4: national level, probably on the state level as well, but
Speaker 4: then on the national level, knocking the legs from under
Speaker 4: not only Congress, but the Supreme Court. And I think
Speaker 4: of the two, the one that's most dangerous to have
Speaker 4: knocked out, if you will, is the Supreme Court. So
Speaker 4: that just gives you some idea of how long this plan.
Speaker 4: You may see these people and their faces as implementers
Speaker 4: right now, but this plan has been in place for
Speaker 4: such a long time because we know that Barack Obama
Speaker 4: was supposed to have a Supreme Court nominee, and I
Speaker 4: never know why people just don't fight for what they're
Speaker 4: supposed to have. It's almost like we let the sun
Speaker 4: go down. The son was coming up and we were
Speaker 4: trying to get home before our mother saw that we
Speaker 4: weren't in the bed. We stayed out too late. But
Speaker 4: we are in a place and you know, and that's
Speaker 4: why I know. You know, Jesse and I were discussing
Speaker 4: during the break, having you talk about, well, what can
Speaker 4: we do. I know you are involved in a number
Speaker 4: of organizations that are forming coalitions and passing not just
Speaker 4: I suppose some sort of referendums or resolutions. What can
Speaker 4: you tell us about you know, where we go from here?
Speaker 1: Bishop?
Speaker 2: Just before you do, Bishop, I want to say this, Gina.
Speaker 2: When you mentioned Barack Obama and his Supreme Court nominee
Speaker 2: Merrick Garland, he might have been the first Supreme Court
Speaker 2: justice in the history of the United States who was
Speaker 2: incapable of making a decision. Well, that's just me. I mean,
Speaker 2: he waited two years to prosecute Donald Trump. And here
Speaker 2: we are, Bishop to.
Speaker 5: Jesus, point between Merrick Garland and the former head of
Speaker 5: the CIA who got Hillary Clinton into trouble during the
Speaker 5: end of her run.
Speaker 1: We can have a little talk for real.
Speaker 5: But to get back to sister genius question, I'd love
Speaker 5: to speak to two things. One, I want to quickly
Speaker 5: pivot to Haiti because we haven't mentioned Haiti. The President
Speaker 5: has talked about Columbia, he's talked about Mexico, but I
Speaker 5: want us to be clear as people of African descent,
Speaker 5: that Haiti has got to be on his list. It
Speaker 5: is politically unstable. It's always been understood to be a
Speaker 5: problem that needs to be managed, but little has been
Speaker 5: said about the fact that Haiti sits near the offshore
Speaker 5: sedentary basins that are connected to Venezuela as oil rich systems.
Speaker 5: They have never had the political stability to be able
Speaker 5: to extract oil, but the geological surveys have always suggested
Speaker 5: that there are oil deposits there. The second thing about
Speaker 5: Haiti is that it sits in one of the most
Speaker 5: important maritime corridors in the Western Hemisphere, the Windward Passage,
Speaker 5: major shipping lanes, military position in trade checkpoints, etc. Also
Speaker 5: in Haiti there is gold, copper, silver box site, marble,
Speaker 5: and limestone. And the last thing, the cost of Haiti's
Speaker 5: labor is so cheap that it makes it very attractive
Speaker 5: for an imperialist. So I want us to really be
Speaker 5: thinking about this strategy to conquer the Western hemisphere and
Speaker 5: really be thinking about Haiti and how important it is
Speaker 5: to us in the diaspora. It should be the Singapore
Speaker 5: of the diaspora because it represents black excellence and Black
Speaker 5: freedom and because of the Haitian Revolution. We know that
Speaker 5: Haiti has suffered, not because it failed, but because it succeeded.
Speaker 5: That said, the work that Interconnected Justice does, and you
Speaker 5: can find us at I sjusice dot org, is to
Speaker 5: bring together not only Grasstops leaders, but also Generation Z
Speaker 5: young activists, the best in the business, who are lawyers
Speaker 5: and civil society advocates, and who are political thinkers and
Speaker 5: academic and we bring our people of African descent from
Speaker 5: the continent in conversation with those of us in the
Speaker 5: diaspora that we might mind together for the best solutions
Speaker 5: to harvest black solidarity in the interest of being able
Speaker 5: to confront the infrastructure of white Christian nationalism and not
Speaker 5: only defensively defeat and undo or undermine their agenda, but
Speaker 5: also vision what is the kind of world that we
Speaker 5: want to live in. Can we revisit African cosmologies as
Speaker 5: the source of our inspiration for understanding who we are,
Speaker 5: our place, and our right to exist freely and to
Speaker 5: be able to have control and autonomy and self determination
Speaker 5: over our own bodies and our own resources. So I
Speaker 5: think that this is an incredible moment for people of
Speaker 5: African descent to begin to shift our consciousness as black
Speaker 5: people from just a domestic frame to understanding that these
Speaker 5: issues are global and that we always have to think
Speaker 5: about just what's happening to African Americans, but from Acra
Speaker 5: to Atlanta, from Chicago to Cape Town, we've got to
Speaker 5: be thinking about how these issues resonate globally and and
Speaker 5: begin to then speak to the issues. Even when it
Speaker 5: has to have a local solution, I think we have
Speaker 5: to always put that local solution into a broader global
Speaker 5: context because that is how our opposition is thinking. So
Speaker 5: visit us at icjusice dot org, join, donate, become a member,
Speaker 5: become involved, and make sure that your organization, even if
Speaker 5: it has a local mandate, it should always have a
Speaker 5: global perspective and a Pan African understanding.
Speaker 2: Give me that email address or that that website address
Speaker 2: one more time, very quickly.
Speaker 1: That's the letter, I the letter Cusice dot org. I
Speaker 1: see justice.
Speaker 2: Thank you, Bishop, thank you for being on our show,
Speaker 2: and I can't wait to have Bishop Tualton back, hopefully
Speaker 2: before the end of next week, to discuss this global
Speaker 2: Western human hemispheric problem and more specifically Haiti. I'm Jesse
Speaker 2: Jackson Jr. We're on MIT Fridays with Ginatowns. More on
Speaker 2: KBLA Talk fifteen eighty when we come forward