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<v Speaker 1>I'm Jeff Jackson.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on k

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<v Speaker 2>BL Talk fifteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the Jay Lux Club and thank.

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<v Speaker 2>God it's Friday.

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<v Speaker 3>Gina Garry Create, our very special creator of the Jesse

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson Jujor Show, joins us on Fat Meat Fridays.

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<v Speaker 2>She is the president and founder of five nineteen Productions,

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<v Speaker 2>as well as a graduate of Princeton Theological Seminary in

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<v Speaker 2>Hampton University. Gina, welcome forward to the show.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, Happy Friday, Jesse Jackson Junior.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm particularly honored to be here today, and I'm equally

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<v Speaker 2>I'm equally as honored. In a week, what a week

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<v Speaker 2>it's been.

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<v Speaker 4>It's been amazing week month, and you're.

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<v Speaker 2>Already it's been something. The shooting of the by the

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<v Speaker 2>ice agent of Renee Good in Minnesota continues to dominate

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<v Speaker 2>the news, with more and more footage and evidence coming out.

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<v Speaker 2>I just heard a few moments ago that the ice

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<v Speaker 2>agent who fired the shot has a camera video on

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<v Speaker 2>their cell phone because they were walking around the car

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<v Speaker 2>holding cell phone, offering yet another perspective of the incident.

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<v Speaker 2>Any initial thoughtogy.

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<v Speaker 4>My initial thought is that there's no need to shoot

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<v Speaker 4>someone in the face. How about a tire. Let's shoot

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<v Speaker 4>the tire if you had to stop her. So that

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<v Speaker 4>kind of brute force and getting people accustomed to and

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<v Speaker 4>numbed to is where we are right now. And it's unfortunate.

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<v Speaker 4>But I'm gonna say this. I think her name Renee Good,

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<v Speaker 4>and I pray that she will not go without the

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<v Speaker 4>good that this incident can possibly bring about.

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<v Speaker 2>Praying also for the people of Minnesota. Oh yeah, just

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<v Speaker 2>four blocks from the assassination, if you will, the murder

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<v Speaker 2>of George Floyd. And but this is a tough neighborhood.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's not tough completely, because it's tough in

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<v Speaker 2>the traditional sense. It's tough emotionally, spiritually, mentally, and its

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<v Speaker 2>impact on the nation is resounding well.

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<v Speaker 4>And when our second our guest comes on, we're going

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<v Speaker 4>to talk about it a little bit because we're both

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<v Speaker 4>fans of Minneapolis and Minnesota for many different reasons. But

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<v Speaker 4>we'll hold that on. We'll hold that for right now,

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<v Speaker 4>and we'll have some of that conversation with Bishop Tulton

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<v Speaker 4>because we know that he is going to bring a

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<v Speaker 4>perspective that is going to shake the roof off the place.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, So the President of the United States has also

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<v Speaker 2>just tweeted critical market based information on the stock markets

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<v Speaker 2>with the I believe the labor report that has been released,

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<v Speaker 2>nearly five million people are struggling to find jobs working

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<v Speaker 2>part time in the United States, two million of them

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<v Speaker 2>are chronically chronically unemployed, and yet he continues to boast

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<v Speaker 2>his economic numbers. But what's so surprising about this. This

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<v Speaker 2>information that he released was released on his social media

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<v Speaker 2>website ahead of when the government officially releases it. And

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<v Speaker 2>this information has impact for the reaction of markets. The

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<v Speaker 2>Federal Bureau, I'm sorry, the Federal Reserve Board, it has

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<v Speaker 2>information that well can give insiders with the information access

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<v Speaker 2>to the critical vital organs of the economic system.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is.

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<v Speaker 2>It's illegal. It's illegal. It has to be released officially.

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<v Speaker 2>You can't give it to your supporters or shared with

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<v Speaker 2>people on the inside before.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, if you know what you're listening and reading, you

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<v Speaker 4>know you certainly will make move there. But the other

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<v Speaker 4>thing about it is, you know how this is fat

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<v Speaker 4>be Friday and we have to just tell the truth.

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<v Speaker 4>So undisciplined anyway. I mean, it could be that somebody said, hey,

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<v Speaker 4>let's not talk about this list, not tweet about this list. President,

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<v Speaker 4>And you know here he goes down down the hallway

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<v Speaker 4>and into his room, you know, like a little kid

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<v Speaker 4>with Mario Brothers or some sort of game, and you

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<v Speaker 4>know that's what this is to him in some respects,

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<v Speaker 4>It's a game.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm deeply troubled by breakdown in the norms of the

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<v Speaker 2>federal government, and I think everyone probably should be because

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<v Speaker 2>we didn't hear this kind of leakage. And I don't

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<v Speaker 2>think in any administration since I have been alive, the

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<v Speaker 2>information is held that close to the vest and the

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<v Speaker 2>President of the United States always signals, and we should

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<v Speaker 2>be deeply concerned that people who move their moneies around

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<v Speaker 2>in the market might have access to information from the

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<v Speaker 2>government about the direction of the markets before they before

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<v Speaker 2>the people do. And that is I don't know, is

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<v Speaker 2>it insider trading? Is it insider I think you can

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<v Speaker 2>go to prison for it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean it is that. And then it's unbridled discipline,

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<v Speaker 4>undisciplined unbridled discipline.

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<v Speaker 2>Gina, what are we talking about today.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, we are welcoming one of our favorite guests first

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<v Speaker 4>Fridays with Bishop Joseph Tulton.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm excited about that.

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<v Speaker 4>I know me too, and in the second hour, Gallo

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<v Speaker 4>Brooks will be joining us.

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<v Speaker 2>Very much looking forward to that. Bishop Tulton is the

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<v Speaker 2>founder and president of Interconnected Justice, which was established in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty nineteen. The strategic intent of the organization is to

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<v Speaker 2>be a force uniting global racial justice movements at which

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<v Speaker 2>the continent of Africa and the diaspora built an ecosystem

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<v Speaker 2>of self disciplined and determined advocacy. The Bishop's passion for

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<v Speaker 2>connecting Black Lives Matter and Pan Africanism from his deep

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<v Speaker 2>convictions that the global project of our lifetime is to

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<v Speaker 2>dismantle white supremacy and to deconstruct patriarch. Bishop Tulton believes

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<v Speaker 2>this is a spiritual project that demands a highly connected

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<v Speaker 2>secular activism. As an LGBT global faith leader, Bishop Tulton

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<v Speaker 2>continues to serve to Bishop as the Bishop of Global

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<v Speaker 2>Ministries for the Fellowship of Affirming Ministries. In this capacity,

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<v Speaker 2>he designs and manages pfam's justice ministries and collaborations outside

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<v Speaker 2>of the United States, with focus on East Africa. Bishop

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<v Speaker 2>Tilton works directly with leaders to build integrated justice movements,

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<v Speaker 2>connecting activists with civil society advocates, media, professionals, academics, and

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<v Speaker 2>political leaders. Bishop Tulton graduated from Vassar with a BA

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<v Speaker 2>in religion and also earned an MBA from Columbia University

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<v Speaker 2>Business School. Bishop Tulton, Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>Junior Show. Fat Meet Friddays with Gena Towns.

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<v Speaker 5>Blessings to both of you, my dear friends and colleagues,

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<v Speaker 5>and Happy New Year to you.

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<v Speaker 1>Just a joy to be with you today.

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<v Speaker 2>Bishop, you know you have an MBA. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to be coming back and talking about what

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<v Speaker 2>it means to the President of the United States to

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<v Speaker 2>issue information that should be released officially by the government.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm very much looking forward to this conversation and to

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<v Speaker 2>pan the entire globe with your thoughts about what's happening

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<v Speaker 2>in our world and domestically. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You've

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<v Speaker 2>been listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KLA

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<v Speaker 2>Talk fifteen eighty. Our very special guest on Fat Meat

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<v Speaker 2>Fridays with our leading contributor, Gina Towns, is Bishop Josephulton.

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<v Speaker 2>Or when we come forward k BOLA Talk. I'm Jesse

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson Jior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show

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<v Speaker 2>on Fat Meat Fridays with Gina Towns with our the

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<v Speaker 2>Jay Lunch Club. Especially today, our very special guest is

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<v Speaker 2>Bishop Tulton. Bishop Tolton has an MBA from Columbia University,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm just wondering in this moment, Bishop, how much

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<v Speaker 2>more different would your life be if you had inside

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<v Speaker 2>information from the government of the United States before the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the public on what the markets might react to.

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<v Speaker 5>My life would be quite different. I think it's called

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<v Speaker 5>I think I might buy KBL. That's what I would do.

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<v Speaker 5>Insider information. I mean, we understand what happened to the

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<v Speaker 5>stock market. We see some of the companies whose valuations increased,

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<v Speaker 5>their stock prices increase. And one of the things that

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<v Speaker 5>I think that we're going to need to follow is

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<v Speaker 5>of course always the money, but which members of Congress

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<v Speaker 5>and which members of Trump's cabinet actually made some stock

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<v Speaker 5>trades or purchases as a result of that insider information.

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<v Speaker 5>I think that that will be extraordinarily telling, because we

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<v Speaker 5>are talking as much about business here as we are

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<v Speaker 5>about politics. Given that the President briefed oil executives before

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<v Speaker 5>he briefed Congress.

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<v Speaker 3>Ooh, Bishop, follow the Honey Securities and Exchange Commission. What

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<v Speaker 3>were the trades that took place from a very narrow

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<v Speaker 3>group of Americans who had access to this information.

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<v Speaker 2>We the people want to know.

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<v Speaker 4>Gina, do you remember that that one dog It was

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<v Speaker 4>a cartoon way back and then he would have a biscuit.

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<v Speaker 4>He would smell the biscuit somewhere and he'd be looking

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<v Speaker 4>for the biscuit. Then he'd find the biscuit and go,

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<v Speaker 4>Now whatever his name is. That's how I feel like,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, this is when they're in these meetings and

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<v Speaker 4>there are privileged people in these meetings that they can

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<v Speaker 4>just hardly hold, you know, their breath. They can hardly

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<v Speaker 4>hold the thought of, you know, the greed that must

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<v Speaker 4>be raging. And you know, Bishop, one of the reasons

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<v Speaker 4>why we jail so well here on first Friday as well,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not the first Friday, let's be clear about that.

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<v Speaker 4>We had to get you on because last week it

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<v Speaker 4>was the first day of the year, so everybody got

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<v Speaker 4>the day off. But we have some time to think.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's just amazing to me because we have to

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<v Speaker 4>be able to on fat meat Fridays, go ahead and

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<v Speaker 4>discern that we are not just looking at the actions

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<v Speaker 4>of people, but the actions really result from an overflow

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<v Speaker 4>of heart. And that's why I bring up the idea

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<v Speaker 4>of breed.

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<v Speaker 5>This entire adventure is grounded in greed, but what I've

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<v Speaker 5>been thinking about recently is that it is an insatiable greed.

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<v Speaker 5>It is kind of like pouring water into a cup

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<v Speaker 5>with a hole in the bottom. You simply cannot fill

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<v Speaker 5>the cup. You cannot get enough water. And this is

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<v Speaker 5>exactly I think what the very premise of dominion. In

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<v Speaker 5>domination is, I have such a fear that there's not

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<v Speaker 5>enough that I have to horde and extract, and I

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<v Speaker 5>have to loot and I have to rob, and I

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<v Speaker 5>have to do it in perpetuity because I can never

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<v Speaker 5>be satisfied. I mean, it's really kind of how a

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<v Speaker 5>junkie or an attic, Sorry to use it to dispara word,

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<v Speaker 5>but I will call them junkies really in this case,

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<v Speaker 5>how they behave You were always looking for that next fix,

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<v Speaker 5>and there is no high like the first high, so

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<v Speaker 5>therefore you can never be satisfied. I mean, think about

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<v Speaker 5>that in terms of we think about ourselves as kind

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<v Speaker 5>of being you know, victimized, which we are, but imagine

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<v Speaker 5>being trapped in that kind of a psychological mode of

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<v Speaker 5>thinking that is also torture, that is also great oppression.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think it's important for us to always realize

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<v Speaker 5>how sick and oppressed these people are who are doing

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<v Speaker 1>Doing to us.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, in this moment, I also think because I

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<v Speaker 4>can't remember who it was over the past couple of days,

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<v Speaker 4>and it may have been a tea but yesterday on

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<v Speaker 4>conversations with the tea, but when he talked about that

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<v Speaker 4>many people arrive at a same place, but they arrive

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<v Speaker 4>at that place because they come from different different places.

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<v Speaker 4>So in this instance, when you talk about an insatiability

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<v Speaker 4>from not getting the same high that you got on

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<v Speaker 4>the first hit, if you will, there's also food insecurity.

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<v Speaker 4>When you have insecurity that exists, you tend to pour,

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<v Speaker 4>You tend to always are looking like a mouse looking

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<v Speaker 4>for cheese. And and sometimes you do get caught in

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<v Speaker 1>Oh absolutely you do.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, I think what's interesting about that statement,

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<v Speaker 5>I think that this is this is a part of

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<v Speaker 5>what is frustrating us as we deal with them. You know,

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<v Speaker 5>but that was really a certain consciousness. Our problem here

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<v Speaker 5>said that the world operates based on power. The world

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<v Speaker 5>operates based on your strength and your might. And because

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<v Speaker 5>we have the military power, the strength, and the might,

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<v Speaker 5>this is how the world works. So imperialism, let it roll.

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, our values around democracy and equity and

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<v Speaker 5>all humanity and wanting to lift all humanity. Certainly, that's

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<v Speaker 5>the Christian the Christian ethic, all of that has not

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<v Speaker 5>it has just been trampled upon, it has gone away,

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<v Speaker 5>and they are with just kind of nakedly expressive their

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<v Speaker 5>incredible desires to recolonize the world, destroy the current global order,

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<v Speaker 5>and create zones where autocrats will essentially rule in their zones.

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<v Speaker 5>And they're doing it by the moves that they're make

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<v Speaker 2>Gina, Bishop, I'd like to, because this is our longest

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<v Speaker 2>segment in the hour pivot, if you don't mind, Bishop,

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<v Speaker 2>to your insights on how we were horrified as a

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<v Speaker 2>nation to see this mother of three children I believe,

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<v Speaker 2>shot by a nice agent in Minneapolis, Minnesota, just four

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<v Speaker 2>blocks away from where Derek Chauvin put his knee in

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<v Speaker 2>the neck of George Floyd. I'm thinking in this moment

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<v Speaker 2>that the spirit energy that's coming from the behavior of

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<v Speaker 2>the administration where this woman was essentially killed by the

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<v Speaker 2>United States of America an unarmed civilian. Bishop, take your time.

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<v Speaker 2>Where are we in our national spiritual consciousness?

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<v Speaker 5>The Scripture says that we wrestle not against flesh and blood,

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<v Speaker 5>but against principal and powers and against spiritual wickedness. Authoritarians

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<v Speaker 5>who are under their rule will oftentime minic mimic and

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<v Speaker 5>they will begin to aspire to actually be like that authoritarian.

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<v Speaker 5>So they cover their behavior that that that that dictator's behavior. Uh,

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<v Speaker 5>they make excuses for it, but then they begin to

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<v Speaker 5>becomes very dangerous. So to hear Stephen Miller say that

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<v Speaker 5>it is about power, and because we have the power,

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<v Speaker 5>we will use it, it speaks to a very particular

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<v Speaker 5>headset and mentality that is now flowing from Trump to

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<v Speaker 5>his through his cabinet, all the way down now to Ice.

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<v Speaker 5>And let's be clear, Ice is organized as really the

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<v Speaker 5>president personal militia. He pardoned the January sixth folks to

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<v Speaker 5>send a message that no matter what your criminal behavior is,

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<v Speaker 5>as long as you're on my side, I am going

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<v Speaker 5>to cover you. And then, of course we had the

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<v Speaker 5>ugly Bill which made such a huge investment in Ice

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<v Speaker 5>to give him the financial backing to create a militia

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<v Speaker 5>in which there is a more investment in Ice than

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<v Speaker 5>some nations spend on their military at large. So very

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<v Speaker 5>much so, we are seeing the mentality, the spirit, the

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<v Speaker 5>mo the hyper masculine posture of the president literally and

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<v Speaker 5>his men now being internalized and embraced by ice agents,

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<v Speaker 5>and they are behaving accordingly.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've heard I've heard a better interpretation, Gina.

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<v Speaker 2>They're internalizing the spirit energy of the of the top

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<v Speaker 2>of the nation, the permission that has de facto no

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<v Speaker 2>more more than the facto just direct delivered to them

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<v Speaker 2>to carry out these particular orders. But in this particular case, Gina,

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<v Speaker 2>it ends up in the face of a mother who

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<v Speaker 2>was unarmed, who had just dropped her child off to school.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, I think that it's Ernest Krim on our

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<v Speaker 4>show and the Tiva. That's well, we'll talk about the

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<v Speaker 4>importance of knowing history, because you do realize that along

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<v Speaker 4>the way that there are people who have a different

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<v Speaker 4>skin tone who pay part of this cost as well

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<v Speaker 4>and their collateral damage. Let's be very very clear that

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<v Speaker 4>there is no difference in some instances when it comes

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<v Speaker 4>to money. Poverty is also a separator and the whole

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<v Speaker 4>idea of a caste system. But what's very interesting to

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<v Speaker 4>me about this discussion is that it really started so

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<v Speaker 4>long ago, and it's started so innocently, and that's how

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<v Speaker 4>those types of spirits work. If you think about it,

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<v Speaker 4>during what was the name of Trump's show, The Apprentice,

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<v Speaker 4>and the ability. You know, people found it funny when

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<v Speaker 4>people would watch these projects and see people making mistakes

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<v Speaker 4>and kind of laugh. It was some sort of you know,

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<v Speaker 4>then you'd get to the table, we'd judge you, and

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<v Speaker 4>then you're fired. And people want to have that kind

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<v Speaker 4>of authority in their own lives. And so there was

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<v Speaker 4>an affinity that people began, black and white, an affinity

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<v Speaker 4>toward this person who would eventually become president. A reality

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<v Speaker 4>you know, TV show star equivalent to a ring master

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<v Speaker 4>with different acts going on in the circus rings, a

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<v Speaker 4>ring master, if you will, perpetuating, you know, all kinds

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<v Speaker 4>of things. That's what I feel like we're in in

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<v Speaker 4>some ways, is you know, just a three circus.

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<v Speaker 2>A family is mourning today, city is mourning today, A

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<v Speaker 2>nation is and should be in mourning today. Fish, you

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<v Speaker 2>comment on the depravity of misnown before the facts had

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<v Speaker 2>even been known, the depravity of the president of the

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<v Speaker 2>United States and the comments they made associating with her

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<v Speaker 2>with some kind of left wing radical conspiracy. When our

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<v Speaker 2>First Amendment rights allow us to ask questions of law

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<v Speaker 2>enforcement officers without someone walking up to your car door,

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<v Speaker 2>snatching your car door, shooting f bombs at you, telling

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<v Speaker 2>you to get the hell out without you have a

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<v Speaker 2>right to remain silent for God's sake. Bishop, This was

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<v Speaker 2>a traffic stop.

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<v Speaker 5>Absolutely, it was not an off the cuff comment that

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<v Speaker 5>she made.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that they have been.

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<v Speaker 5>Aware for some time that obviously the behavior and the

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<v Speaker 5>instructions that were driving the behavior of ICE agents were

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<v Speaker 5>going to end up in some kind of a tragic moment.

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<v Speaker 5>So I think that on some level she is pre

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<v Speaker 5>prepared to have a response. But clearly the fact that

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<v Speaker 5>she came to the conclusions that she came to well

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<v Speaker 5>before there was even an investigation speak to the fact

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<v Speaker 5>that they are determined to not only create their own

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<v Speaker 5>narrative which they want to pump into the media, the

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<v Speaker 5>media ecosystems that reach their target and their base, but

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<v Speaker 5>reaching that target and that base has now become the

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<v Speaker 5>thing that is important to them. And there's a blind

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<v Speaker 5>eye to the rest of the nation. And I'm lifting

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<v Speaker 5>this up because what we're really experiencing is minority rule.

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<v Speaker 5>And when you have a dictator who is governed by

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<v Speaker 5>minority rule, it means that he always has to play

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<v Speaker 5>sure that that base is in play, because that is

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<v Speaker 5>how minority rule works. The other thing that I think

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<v Speaker 5>is so critical that we lift up is that this

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<v Speaker 5>was a white woman and that this was a message

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<v Speaker 5>being sent to white people that you are either with

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<v Speaker 5>us or you are against us, and if you are

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<v Speaker 5>a race trader, we are going to treat you just

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<v Speaker 5>like we would treat somebody who is brown or who

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<v Speaker 5>is black. The way that the Vice President went on

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<v Speaker 5>and on and on about the fact that the woman

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<v Speaker 5>had to be sick because she was in a location

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<v Speaker 5>where she was lifting up her voice to speak back

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<v Speaker 5>against something that she saw being done by her country that.

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<v Speaker 1>She disagreed with.

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<v Speaker 5>That was absolutely horrible for her for him to demonize

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<v Speaker 5>her in that way, But that was a message to

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<v Speaker 5>white folks saying you better pick a side and get

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Listen to KBLA Talk fifteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the Jay Lunch program and Fat Meet Fridays

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<v Speaker 2>with Gina Town, said Bishop tult More. We come forward

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<v Speaker 2>on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. Hey, it's Jesse Jackson

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<v Speaker 2>Junior on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. Welcome to Fat Meat

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<v Speaker 2>Fridays with Gina Towns and our honor guest, Bishop Joseph Tulton, Bishop.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome forward to the show.

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<v Speaker 1>So so good to be with you, Jesse Bishop.

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<v Speaker 2>Before we shift to the world, Venezuela and to Eastern Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>where you share a significant amount of expertise, Gina has

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<v Speaker 2>a point that she wanted to raise, but I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to share with you that I found before we even

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<v Speaker 2>get to that point. After Gina's thoughts. You know, the

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<v Speaker 2>preemptive strike on Nigeria a few days ago, a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of weeks ago or so, intervening in a quote unquote,

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<v Speaker 2>if you will, a shit whole country. But it seems

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<v Speaker 2>to be wherever that black gold is, meaning oil, Donald

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<v Speaker 2>Trump is prepared to impose his will on OPEC nations. Gina,

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<v Speaker 2>you had some thoughts that you wanted to finish with

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<v Speaker 2>the Bishop before we moved to the globe.

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<v Speaker 4>Sure, I just wanted to hear what both of you

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<v Speaker 4>think about Empire. From this perspective, we know that the founders,

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<v Speaker 4>well the more so the framers, the ones who did

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<v Speaker 4>the actual concept and writing of the nation's documents. It

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<v Speaker 4>put on a little bit of a different level about

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<v Speaker 4>what they hoped for and what they thought this nation

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<v Speaker 4>could and would be by the language and the thought

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<v Speaker 4>process and the research they had done what they based

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<v Speaker 4>it on. But they had studied every empire, and they

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<v Speaker 4>saw that every empire in their rise also fell. And

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<v Speaker 4>I find that amazing because there's no study of that

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<v Speaker 4>right now. I don't care how much wealth and military

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<v Speaker 4>might and strength. And I am particularly drawn to Rome

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<v Speaker 4>in that conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>What are the.

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<v Speaker 4>Parallels that you feel like you see in this generation?

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it's such a fascinating comparison. And no, we

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<v Speaker 5>have not learned a lot from home. One of the

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<v Speaker 5>as much their conquest was as much driven by military

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<v Speaker 5>a result of that, when when the Roman Empire colonized

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<v Speaker 5>One option was to be a province. Another option was

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<v Speaker 5>to be a client kingdom. And so we see this

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<v Speaker 5>areas that were governed as provinces. Rome had a strong

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<v Speaker 5>hand on how they had had oversight, but the client kingdoms,

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<v Speaker 5>like Judea, which is actually one of them. The relationship

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<v Speaker 5>was a little bit more loose. I think that what

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<v Speaker 5>they're going after is in the Western hemisphere they want

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<v Speaker 5>to rule. They want to have territories that are essentially

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<v Speaker 5>which was a client kingdom where you could have your

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<v Speaker 5>And so he's very cleverly thinking about places outside of

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<v Speaker 1>To establish that relationship.

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<v Speaker 5>And Jesse was right, Look for the oil and you'll

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<v Speaker 5>find the place where he's trying to develop that relationship,

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<v Speaker 5>and of course using Christianity right as a mechanism or

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<v Speaker 5>the vehicle to assert his influence.

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<v Speaker 1>The same thing in Uganda.

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<v Speaker 5>We know Paula White just left the Great Lakes Regions

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<v Speaker 5>a couple of about a month or so ago. What

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<v Speaker 5>does Uganda have. Uganda also has real oil deposits. Uganda

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<v Speaker 5>also has a pathway to Congo's minerals. So we are

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<v Speaker 5>living in an astonishing moment for this administration is using

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<v Speaker 5>a trumpet. It's no longer the quiet part. It's the

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<v Speaker 5>loud part.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>They want to recolonize the world and they want to

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<v Speaker 5>do it under the banner of dominion.

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<v Speaker 4>And in that you will have oppressed people who will

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<v Speaker 4>come and join, because if you even think about it,

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<v Speaker 4>the minions, if you will that oppress their own people.

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<v Speaker 4>At the bidding of Rome, that we only have one king,

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<v Speaker 4>and that's an interesting word that we're using there. We

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<v Speaker 4>have no king but Caesar. That's I think that's the goal.

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<v Speaker 2>I think my contribution to that conversation Gene is very,

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<v Speaker 2>very small. The only thing that we are assured of

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<v Speaker 2>in empire is this that under a star child will

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<v Speaker 2>be born. One day a son will be given, and

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<v Speaker 2>the government shall be upon his shoulders, and he will

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<v Speaker 2>be wonderful, or she will be wonderful. She will be

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<v Speaker 2>a counselor she will be the prince of a war

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<v Speaker 2>of a world that is no longer warring, a prince

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<v Speaker 2>of peace. Now, I don't know if that's seven hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and forty two years from the moment. Isaiah said that

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<v Speaker 2>until the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, and I can't

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<v Speaker 2>promise the American people or the world a magician who

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<v Speaker 2>walks the countryside doing various magical tricks or healing that's

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<v Speaker 2>extra medical or extra scientific. But I think we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the birth of compassion, the birth of empathy. And

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that the only thing that we are

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<v Speaker 2>assured in Empire, maybe not that we will live for

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<v Speaker 2>eight centuries to see it, but this too shall pass,

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<v Speaker 2>and it will unravel because we've seen this story before.

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<v Speaker 1>Bishop.

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<v Speaker 5>My grandmother used to remind me all the time, son,

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<v Speaker 5>God doesn't love ugly, but he's also.

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<v Speaker 1>Very little for beauty.

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<v Speaker 5>And I always used to struggle with the second half

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<v Speaker 5>of that statement, what does she mean? And what she

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<v Speaker 5>meant was, Yeah, it's one thing to be ugly, but

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<v Speaker 5>also don't get to fully yourself. This is the human condition.

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<v Speaker 5>We're trapped in, these human bodies, and when we get

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<v Speaker 5>a little, we want a whole lot more, and we

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<v Speaker 5>don't know when to stop, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's what greed is.

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<v Speaker 5>It's a condition where people cannot get enough, and as

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<v Speaker 5>a result of it, they will always go too far

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<v Speaker 5>and do something that will ignite the revolution, just as

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<v Speaker 5>happened during the days of Jesus of Jesus the CHRISTI.

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<v Speaker 2>Should we have about four minutes before we come forward

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<v Speaker 2>it to forty six in the hour. I'm thinking that

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<v Speaker 2>your work in Eastern Africa is directly under assault as

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<v Speaker 2>well with this preemptive bombing campaign that did include Nigeria.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, there's no question about that.

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<v Speaker 5>The entire relationship now with between Africa and the United

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<v Speaker 5>States is being intentionally scrambled by this administration. I think

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<v Speaker 5>it's very important that we lift up the fact that

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<v Speaker 5>this week the President exited about sixty plus associations or

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<v Speaker 5>organizations that are a part of the United Nations, but

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<v Speaker 5>importantly one of them is the United Nations Permanent Forum

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<v Speaker 5>for People of African Descent, and the argument or the

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<v Speaker 5>rationale given was that it's a racist organization that is

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<v Speaker 5>seeking reparatory justice. Trump understands fully well that people of

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<v Speaker 5>African descent are in a very interesting place where we

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<v Speaker 5>had begun to begin to find ourselves our way back

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<v Speaker 5>to each other, and that in that great family reunion,

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<v Speaker 5>one of the primary outcomes was going to be a

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<v Speaker 5>cry for redressed, a cry for reparation. So much of

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<v Speaker 5>what we see happening right now in his relationship with

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<v Speaker 5>Africa is to kill the opportunity for us to actually

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<v Speaker 5>have a global call for reparations for people of African descent.

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<v Speaker 5>That is the core reason we got out of the

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<v Speaker 5>United Nations Permanent Form for people of African descent. I

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<v Speaker 5>think it's one of the core reasons that we're meddling

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<v Speaker 5>in Nigeria, because we're just stoking tensions between southern and

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<v Speaker 5>Northern Nigeria, between the Islamic community and between Christians. And

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<v Speaker 5>it's also why Paula White lifted up her hands in

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<v Speaker 5>anointed musseventy just a month or so ago and said

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<v Speaker 5>to the redondant people that he should be the president

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<v Speaker 5>for life because he knows. It's because she knows very

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<v Speaker 5>well the administration knows that President musseventy and his wife

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<v Speaker 5>Janet are two of the most key, free willing dominionists

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<v Speaker 5>on the continent who are very much so in the

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<v Speaker 5>pocket of the most extreme elements of American's white Christian

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<v Speaker 5>nationalists movement.

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<v Speaker 4>Gina Well, I put this map of the continent up

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<v Speaker 4>with good reason because occasionally we do talk about how

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<v Speaker 4>many people are moving to Africa from America, and that

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<v Speaker 4>is you know, African Americans quote unquote, moving to Ghana,

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<v Speaker 4>moving to Nigeria. You know, and when you look at

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<v Speaker 4>the re sources that are on the continent of Africa,

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<v Speaker 4>you can begin to understand why you do have to

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<v Speaker 4>break that up if you are wanting to be, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>in a supremacist mindset and in control.

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<v Speaker 2>I am, I am, I'm struck by both of your analysis.

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<v Speaker 2>When it comes to Donald Trump's lack of interest in

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<v Speaker 2>any kind of diplomacy. I mean, what do we need

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<v Speaker 2>an ambassadorial core for what do we need these international

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<v Speaker 2>organizations that the bishop spoke of to help try and

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<v Speaker 2>create broader understanding and dialogue. But I also think that

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<v Speaker 2>the president of the United States is following the slave

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<v Speaker 2>trade from Eastern Africa to Cuba, to the Caribbean, to

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<v Speaker 2>South America, wherever the exploitation has occurred some of the

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<v Speaker 2>greatest crimes in human history. Donald Trump has sought to

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<v Speaker 2>engage in further exploitation, exploitation of those communities. And then

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<v Speaker 2>with high insight, when you look at in Krouma, and

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<v Speaker 2>you look at Kadafi, and you look at Trore, and

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<v Speaker 2>you look at these African leaders who argued for one

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<v Speaker 2>currency and one continent and a United States of Africa,

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<v Speaker 2>or in the case of female Castro or the case

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<v Speaker 2>of she Gavera, making the argument for one South America

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<v Speaker 2>a United States of South America. Our people are simply

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<v Speaker 2>helpless and defenseless if we have to, if everybody needs

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<v Speaker 2>to be president of their little space, and everybody doesn't

544
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<v Speaker 2>see themselves, or every country doesn't see themselves as a

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<v Speaker 2>governor in a United States of their country or their

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<v Speaker 2>continent that is specifically designed to create security for all

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<v Speaker 2>who dwell there in. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. More on

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<v Speaker 2>Fat Me Fridays with Gina Towns and Bishopton when we

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<v Speaker 2>come forward, Jesse Jackson Junior, Welcome forward to the Jesse

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Top fifteen to eighty. Our

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<v Speaker 2>very special guest on this Fat Meet Fridays is none

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<v Speaker 2>other than our regular contributor, host and the creator of

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<v Speaker 2>the Jesse Jackson Junior Show, Miss Gina Towns, and our

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<v Speaker 2>very special guest from the Affirming Ministries, Bishop Joseph Tulton,

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<v Speaker 2>missup Tulton, Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

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<v Speaker 1>Excellent to be here, Bishop, can you.

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<v Speaker 2>Share with us in this final segment and right before

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<v Speaker 2>I can ask how we can support your work internationally

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<v Speaker 2>and domestically. The President is now planning on withdrawing the

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<v Speaker 2>United States from sixty six international organizations, treaties, and agreements.

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<v Speaker 2>What does this mean and what are the long term

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<v Speaker 2>implications of the United States withdrawing from these organizations, treaties,

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<v Speaker 2>and entities.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, first and foremost, and I'll use the United Nations

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<v Speaker 5>Permanent Forum for People of African Descent as an example,

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<v Speaker 5>where withdrawing from these entities because we want to cripple

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<v Speaker 5>the UN further by spending even less on the UN

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<v Speaker 5>and contributing less. It was the work of Desiree Comier,

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<v Speaker 5>who was President Biden's special own boy from the State

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<v Speaker 5>Department to racially marginalized communities around the world. That work

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<v Speaker 5>done in the State Department was to ensure that the

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<v Speaker 5>United States would be a strong supporter of the Forum.

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<v Speaker 5>So now the money that we give is gone, our

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<v Speaker 5>presence is gone, which says a lot, and we no

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<v Speaker 5>longer have a United States representative. So what he's trying

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<v Speaker 5>to do is he's trying to remove himself from a

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<v Speaker 5>context in which there is accountability, right, because why should

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<v Speaker 5>there be accountability if there's accountability, there's going to mean

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<v Speaker 5>that's going to mean redress, that's going to mean some

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<v Speaker 5>kind of economic restructuring of the economic global orders so

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<v Speaker 5>that nations, particularly in the Global South and communities of

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<v Speaker 5>color in the global North, receive a greater fair share

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<v Speaker 5>of the pie. So he is seeking to remove the

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<v Speaker 5>United States from the context in which there would be accountability,

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<v Speaker 5>particularly on issues of reparatory justice.

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<v Speaker 1>Gina.

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<v Speaker 4>What's interesting about that is because we've seen this show before,

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<v Speaker 4>and it's done incrementally. It's been done on the local level,

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<v Speaker 4>and then you see it having been done on the

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<v Speaker 4>national level, probably on the state level as well, but

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<v Speaker 4>then on the national level, knocking the legs from under

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<v Speaker 4>not only Congress, but the Supreme Court. And I think

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<v Speaker 4>of the two, the one that's most dangerous to have

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<v Speaker 4>knocked out, if you will, is the Supreme Court. So

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<v Speaker 4>that just gives you some idea of how long this plan.

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<v Speaker 4>You may see these people and their faces as implementers

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<v Speaker 4>right now, but this plan has been in place for

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<v Speaker 4>such a long time because we know that Barack Obama

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<v Speaker 4>was supposed to have a Supreme Court nominee, and I

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<v Speaker 4>never know why people just don't fight for what they're

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<v Speaker 4>supposed to have. It's almost like we let the sun

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<v Speaker 4>go down. The son was coming up and we were

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<v Speaker 4>trying to get home before our mother saw that we

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<v Speaker 4>weren't in the bed. We stayed out too late. But

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<v Speaker 4>we are in a place and you know, and that's

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<v Speaker 4>why I know. You know, Jesse and I were discussing

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<v Speaker 4>during the break, having you talk about, well, what can

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<v Speaker 4>we do. I know you are involved in a number

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<v Speaker 4>of organizations that are forming coalitions and passing not just

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<v Speaker 4>I suppose some sort of referendums or resolutions. What can

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<v Speaker 4>you tell us about you know, where we go from here?

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<v Speaker 1>Bishop?

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<v Speaker 2>Just before you do, Bishop, I want to say this, Gina.

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<v Speaker 2>When you mentioned Barack Obama and his Supreme Court nominee

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<v Speaker 2>Merrick Garland, he might have been the first Supreme Court

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<v Speaker 2>justice in the history of the United States who was

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<v Speaker 2>incapable of making a decision. Well, that's just me. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>he waited two years to prosecute Donald Trump. And here

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<v Speaker 2>we are, Bishop to.

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<v Speaker 5>Jesus, point between Merrick Garland and the former head of

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<v Speaker 5>the CIA who got Hillary Clinton into trouble during the

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<v Speaker 5>end of her run.

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<v Speaker 1>We can have a little talk for real.

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<v Speaker 5>But to get back to sister genius question, I'd love

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<v Speaker 5>to speak to two things. One, I want to quickly

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<v Speaker 5>pivot to Haiti because we haven't mentioned Haiti. The President

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<v Speaker 5>has talked about Columbia, he's talked about Mexico, but I

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<v Speaker 5>want us to be clear as people of African descent,

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<v Speaker 5>that Haiti has got to be on his list. It

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<v Speaker 5>is politically unstable. It's always been understood to be a

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<v Speaker 5>problem that needs to be managed, but little has been

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<v Speaker 5>said about the fact that Haiti sits near the offshore

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<v Speaker 5>sedentary basins that are connected to Venezuela as oil rich systems.

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<v Speaker 5>They have never had the political stability to be able

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<v Speaker 5>to extract oil, but the geological surveys have always suggested

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<v Speaker 5>that there are oil deposits there. The second thing about

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<v Speaker 5>Haiti is that it sits in one of the most

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<v Speaker 5>important maritime corridors in the Western Hemisphere, the Windward Passage,

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<v Speaker 5>major shipping lanes, military position in trade checkpoints, etc. Also

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<v Speaker 5>in Haiti there is gold, copper, silver box site, marble,

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<v Speaker 5>and limestone. And the last thing, the cost of Haiti's

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<v Speaker 5>labor is so cheap that it makes it very attractive

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<v Speaker 5>for an imperialist. So I want us to really be

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<v Speaker 5>thinking about this strategy to conquer the Western hemisphere and

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<v Speaker 5>really be thinking about Haiti and how important it is

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<v Speaker 5>to us in the diaspora. It should be the Singapore

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<v Speaker 5>of the diaspora because it represents black excellence and Black

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<v Speaker 5>freedom and because of the Haitian Revolution. We know that

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<v Speaker 5>Haiti has suffered, not because it failed, but because it succeeded.

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<v Speaker 5>That said, the work that Interconnected Justice does, and you

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<v Speaker 5>can find us at I sjusice dot org, is to

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<v Speaker 5>bring together not only Grasstops leaders, but also Generation Z

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<v Speaker 5>young activists, the best in the business, who are lawyers

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<v Speaker 5>and civil society advocates, and who are political thinkers and

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<v Speaker 5>academic and we bring our people of African descent from

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<v Speaker 5>the continent in conversation with those of us in the

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<v Speaker 5>diaspora that we might mind together for the best solutions

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<v Speaker 5>to harvest black solidarity in the interest of being able

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<v Speaker 5>to confront the infrastructure of white Christian nationalism and not

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<v Speaker 5>only defensively defeat and undo or undermine their agenda, but

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<v Speaker 5>also vision what is the kind of world that we

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<v Speaker 5>want to live in. Can we revisit African cosmologies as

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<v Speaker 5>the source of our inspiration for understanding who we are,

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<v Speaker 5>our place, and our right to exist freely and to

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<v Speaker 5>be able to have control and autonomy and self determination

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<v Speaker 5>over our own bodies and our own resources. So I

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<v Speaker 5>think that this is an incredible moment for people of

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<v Speaker 5>African descent to begin to shift our consciousness as black

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<v Speaker 5>people from just a domestic frame to understanding that these

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<v Speaker 5>issues are global and that we always have to think

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<v Speaker 5>about just what's happening to African Americans, but from Acra

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<v Speaker 5>to Atlanta, from Chicago to Cape Town, we've got to

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<v Speaker 5>be thinking about how these issues resonate globally and and

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<v Speaker 5>begin to then speak to the issues. Even when it

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<v Speaker 5>has to have a local solution, I think we have

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<v Speaker 5>to always put that local solution into a broader global

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<v Speaker 5>context because that is how our opposition is thinking. So

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<v Speaker 5>visit us at icjusice dot org, join, donate, become a member,

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<v Speaker 5>become involved, and make sure that your organization, even if

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<v Speaker 5>it has a local mandate, it should always have a

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<v Speaker 5>global perspective and a Pan African understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me that email address or that that website address

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<v Speaker 2>one more time, very quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the letter, I the letter Cusice dot org. I

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<v Speaker 1>see justice.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you, Bishop, thank you for being on our show,

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<v Speaker 2>and I can't wait to have Bishop Tualton back, hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>before the end of next week, to discuss this global

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<v Speaker 2>Western human hemispheric problem and more specifically Haiti. I'm Jesse

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<v Speaker 2>Jackson Jr. We're on MIT Fridays with Ginatowns. More on

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<v Speaker 2>KBLA Talk fifteen eighty when we come forward