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Speaker 1: I'm Jeff Jackson.

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Speaker 2: Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on k

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Speaker 1: This is the Jay Lux Club and thank.

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Speaker 2: God it's Friday.

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Speaker 3: Gina Garry Create, our very special creator of the Jesse

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Jackson Jujor Show, joins us on Fat Meat Fridays.

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Speaker 2: She is the president and founder of five nineteen Productions,

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as well as a graduate of Princeton Theological Seminary in

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Hampton University. Gina, welcome forward to the show.

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Speaker 4: Well, Happy Friday, Jesse Jackson Junior.

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Speaker 2: I'm particularly honored to be here today, and I'm equally

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I'm equally as honored. In a week, what a week

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it's been.

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Speaker 4: It's been amazing week month, and you're.

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Speaker 2: Already it's been something. The shooting of the by the

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ice agent of Renee Good in Minnesota continues to dominate

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the news, with more and more footage and evidence coming out.

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I just heard a few moments ago that the ice

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agent who fired the shot has a camera video on

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their cell phone because they were walking around the car

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holding cell phone, offering yet another perspective of the incident.

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Any initial thoughtogy.

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Speaker 4: My initial thought is that there's no need to shoot

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someone in the face. How about a tire. Let's shoot

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the tire if you had to stop her. So that

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kind of brute force and getting people accustomed to and

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numbed to is where we are right now. And it's unfortunate.

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But I'm gonna say this. I think her name Renee Good,

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and I pray that she will not go without the

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good that this incident can possibly bring about.

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Speaker 2: Praying also for the people of Minnesota. Oh yeah, just

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four blocks from the assassination, if you will, the murder

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of George Floyd. And but this is a tough neighborhood.

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I mean, it's not tough completely, because it's tough in

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the traditional sense. It's tough emotionally, spiritually, mentally, and its

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impact on the nation is resounding well.

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Speaker 4: And when our second our guest comes on, we're going

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to talk about it a little bit because we're both

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fans of Minneapolis and Minnesota for many different reasons. But

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we'll hold that on. We'll hold that for right now,

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and we'll have some of that conversation with Bishop Tulton

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because we know that he is going to bring a

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perspective that is going to shake the roof off the place.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: Wow, So the President of the United States has also

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just tweeted critical market based information on the stock markets

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with the I believe the labor report that has been released,

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nearly five million people are struggling to find jobs working

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part time in the United States, two million of them

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are chronically chronically unemployed, and yet he continues to boast

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his economic numbers. But what's so surprising about this. This

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information that he released was released on his social media

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website ahead of when the government officially releases it. And

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this information has impact for the reaction of markets. The

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Federal Bureau, I'm sorry, the Federal Reserve Board, it has

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information that well can give insiders with the information access

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to the critical vital organs of the economic system.

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Speaker 1: Which is.

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Speaker 2: It's illegal. It's illegal. It has to be released officially.

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You can't give it to your supporters or shared with

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people on the inside before.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, if you know what you're listening and reading, you

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know you certainly will make move there. But the other

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thing about it is, you know how this is fat

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be Friday and we have to just tell the truth.

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So undisciplined anyway. I mean, it could be that somebody said, hey,

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let's not talk about this list, not tweet about this list. President,

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and into his room, you know, like a little kid

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with Mario Brothers or some sort of game, and you

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know that's what this is to him in some respects,

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Speaker 2: I'm deeply troubled by breakdown in the norms of the

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federal government, and I think everyone probably should be because

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we didn't hear this kind of leakage. And I don't

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think in any administration since I have been alive, the

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information is held that close to the vest and the

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President of the United States always signals, and we should

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be deeply concerned that people who move their moneies around

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in the market might have access to information from the

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government about the direction of the markets before they before

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the people do. And that is I don't know, is

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it insider trading? Is it insider I think you can

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Speaker 4: I mean it is that. And then it's unbridled discipline,

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undisciplined unbridled discipline.

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Speaker 2: Gina, what are we talking about today.

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Speaker 4: Well, we are welcoming one of our favorite guests first

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Fridays with Bishop Joseph Tulton.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about that.

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Speaker 4: I know me too, and in the second hour, Gallo

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Brooks will be joining us.

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Speaker 2: Very much looking forward to that. Bishop Tulton is the

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founder and president of Interconnected Justice, which was established in

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twenty nineteen. The strategic intent of the organization is to

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be a force uniting global racial justice movements at which

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the continent of Africa and the diaspora built an ecosystem

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of self disciplined and determined advocacy. The Bishop's passion for

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connecting Black Lives Matter and Pan Africanism from his deep

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convictions that the global project of our lifetime is to

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dismantle white supremacy and to deconstruct patriarch. Bishop Tulton believes

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this is a spiritual project that demands a highly connected

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secular activism. As an LGBT global faith leader, Bishop Tulton

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continues to serve to Bishop as the Bishop of Global

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Ministries for the Fellowship of Affirming Ministries. In this capacity,

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he designs and manages pfam's justice ministries and collaborations outside

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of the United States, with focus on East Africa. Bishop

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connecting activists with civil society advocates, media, professionals, academics, and

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political leaders. Bishop Tulton graduated from Vassar with a BA

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in religion and also earned an MBA from Columbia University

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Business School. Bishop Tulton, Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson

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Junior Show. Fat Meet Friddays with Gena Towns.

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Speaker 5: Blessings to both of you, my dear friends and colleagues,

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and Happy New Year to you.

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Speaker 1: Just a joy to be with you today.

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Speaker 2: Bishop, you know you have an MBA. I know that

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we're going to be coming back and talking about what

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it means to the President of the United States to

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issue information that should be released officially by the government.

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I'm very much looking forward to this conversation and to

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pan the entire globe with your thoughts about what's happening

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in our world and domestically. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. You've

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been listening to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show on KLA

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Talk fifteen eighty. Our very special guest on Fat Meat

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Fridays with our leading contributor, Gina Towns, is Bishop Josephulton.

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Or when we come forward k BOLA Talk. I'm Jesse

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Jackson Jior. Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show

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on Fat Meat Fridays with Gina Towns with our the

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Jay Lunch Club. Especially today, our very special guest is

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Bishop Tulton. Bishop Tolton has an MBA from Columbia University,

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and I'm just wondering in this moment, Bishop, how much

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more different would your life be if you had inside

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information from the government of the United States before the

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rest of the public on what the markets might react to.

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Speaker 5: My life would be quite different. I think it's called

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I think I might buy KBL. That's what I would do.

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Insider information. I mean, we understand what happened to the

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stock market. We see some of the companies whose valuations increased,

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their stock prices increase. And one of the things that

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I think that we're going to need to follow is

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of course always the money, but which members of Congress

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and which members of Trump's cabinet actually made some stock

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trades or purchases as a result of that insider information.

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I think that that will be extraordinarily telling, because we

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are talking as much about business here as we are

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about politics. Given that the President briefed oil executives before

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he briefed Congress.

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Speaker 3: Ooh, Bishop, follow the Honey Securities and Exchange Commission. What

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were the trades that took place from a very narrow

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group of Americans who had access to this information.

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Speaker 2: We the people want to know.

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Speaker 4: Gina, do you remember that that one dog It was

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a cartoon way back and then he would have a biscuit.

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He would smell the biscuit somewhere and he'd be looking

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for the biscuit. Then he'd find the biscuit and go,

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Now whatever his name is. That's how I feel like,

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you know, this is when they're in these meetings and

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there are privileged people in these meetings that they can

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just hardly hold, you know, their breath. They can hardly

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hold the thought of, you know, the greed that must

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be raging. And you know, Bishop, one of the reasons

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why we jail so well here on first Friday as well,

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it's not the first Friday, let's be clear about that.

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We had to get you on because last week it

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was the first day of the year, so everybody got

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the day off. But we have some time to think.

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be able to on fat meat Fridays, go ahead and

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discern that we are not just looking at the actions

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of people, but the actions really result from an overflow

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of heart. And that's why I bring up the idea

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of breed.

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Speaker 5: This entire adventure is grounded in greed, but what I've

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been thinking about recently is that it is an insatiable greed.

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with a hole in the bottom. You simply cannot fill

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the cup. You cannot get enough water. And this is

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exactly I think what the very premise of dominion. In

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domination is, I have such a fear that there's not

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enough that I have to horde and extract, and I

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have to loot and I have to rob, and I

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have to do it in perpetuity because I can never

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be satisfied. I mean, it's really kind of how a

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junkie or an attic, Sorry to use it to dispara word,

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but I will call them junkies really in this case,

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how they behave You were always looking for that next fix,

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and there is no high like the first high, so

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therefore you can never be satisfied. I mean, think about

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of being you know, victimized, which we are, but imagine

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being trapped in that kind of a psychological mode of

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thinking that is also torture, that is also great oppression.

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how sick and oppressed these people are who are doing

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Speaker 1: Doing to us.

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can't remember who it was over the past couple of days,

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and it may have been a tea but yesterday on

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conversations with the tea, but when he talked about that

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many people arrive at a same place, but they arrive

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at that place because they come from different different places.

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from not getting the same high that you got on

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for cheese. And and sometimes you do get caught in

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Speaker 1: Oh absolutely you do.

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Speaker 5: And you know, I think what's interesting about that statement,

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Gina is that yes, he got caught in the trap,

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but these are people who don't care that they've gotten caught.

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I think that this is this is a part of

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what is frustrating us as we deal with them. You know,

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certainly in my lifetime growing up, you know, there were

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things like kind of white guilt, which is really about

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having a consciousness of how your privilege is giving you

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certain advantages and wanting to be a part of a

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system that creates redress. And we kind of, you know,

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sense of consciousness. I know, we all saw Stephen Miller

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said that the world operates based on power. The world

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operates based on your strength and your might. And because

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we have the military power, the strength, and the might,

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this is how the world works. So imperialism, let it roll.

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all humanity and wanting to lift all humanity. Certainly, that's

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the Christian the Christian ethic, all of that has not

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it has just been trampled upon, it has gone away,

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incredible desires to recolonize the world, destroy the current global order,

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And they're doing it by the moves that they're make

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King on the Western hemisphere.

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Speaker 2: Gina, Bishop, I'd like to, because this is our longest

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segment in the hour pivot, if you don't mind, Bishop,

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to your insights on how we were horrified as a

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nation to see this mother of three children I believe,

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shot by a nice agent in Minneapolis, Minnesota, just four

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blocks away from where Derek Chauvin put his knee in

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the neck of George Floyd. I'm thinking in this moment

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that the spirit energy that's coming from the behavior of

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the administration where this woman was essentially killed by the

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United States of America an unarmed civilian. Bishop, take your time.

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Where are we in our national spiritual consciousness?

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Speaker 5: The Scripture says that we wrestle not against flesh and blood,

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but against principal and powers and against spiritual wickedness. Authoritarians

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are able to do what they do because the people

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who are under their rule will oftentime minic mimic and

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begin to embrace the m o by which that authoritarian operates,

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they will begin to aspire to actually be like that authoritarian.

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So they cover their behavior that that that that dictator's behavior. Uh,

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they make excuses for it, but then they begin to

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to to to to replicate it, which is when it

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becomes very dangerous. So to hear Stephen Miller say that

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it is about power, and because we have the power,

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we will use it, it speaks to a very particular

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headset and mentality that is now flowing from Trump to

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his through his cabinet, all the way down now to Ice.

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And let's be clear, Ice is organized as really the

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president personal militia. He pardoned the January sixth folks to

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send a message that no matter what your criminal behavior is,

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as long as you're on my side, I am going

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to cover you. And then, of course we had the

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ugly Bill which made such a huge investment in Ice

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to give him the financial backing to create a militia

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in which there is a more investment in Ice than

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some nations spend on their military at large. So very

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much so, we are seeing the mentality, the spirit, the

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mo the hyper masculine posture of the president literally and

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his men now being internalized and embraced by ice agents,

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and they are behaving accordingly.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've heard I've heard a better interpretation, Gina.

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They're internalizing the spirit energy of the of the top

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of the nation, the permission that has de facto no

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more more than the facto just direct delivered to them

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to carry out these particular orders. But in this particular case, Gina,

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it ends up in the face of a mother who

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was unarmed, who had just dropped her child off to school.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think that it's Ernest Krim on our

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show and the Tiva. That's well, we'll talk about the

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importance of knowing history, because you do realize that along

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the way that there are people who have a different

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skin tone who pay part of this cost as well

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and their collateral damage. Let's be very very clear that

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there is no difference in some instances when it comes

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to money. Poverty is also a separator and the whole

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idea of a caste system. But what's very interesting to

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me about this discussion is that it really started so

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long ago, and it's started so innocently, and that's how

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those types of spirits work. If you think about it,

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during what was the name of Trump's show, The Apprentice,

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and the ability. You know, people found it funny when

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people would watch these projects and see people making mistakes

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and kind of laugh. It was some sort of you know,

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then you'd get to the table, we'd judge you, and

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then you're fired. And people want to have that kind

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of authority in their own lives. And so there was

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an affinity that people began, black and white, an affinity

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toward this person who would eventually become president. A reality

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you know, TV show star equivalent to a ring master

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with different acts going on in the circus rings, a

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ring master, if you will, perpetuating, you know, all kinds

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of things. That's what I feel like we're in in

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some ways, is you know, just a three circus.

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Speaker 2: A family is mourning today, city is mourning today, A

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nation is and should be in mourning today. Fish, you

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comment on the depravity of misnown before the facts had

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even been known, the depravity of the president of the

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United States and the comments they made associating with her

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with some kind of left wing radical conspiracy. When our

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First Amendment rights allow us to ask questions of law

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enforcement officers without someone walking up to your car door,

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snatching your car door, shooting f bombs at you, telling

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you to get the hell out without you have a

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right to remain silent for God's sake. Bishop, This was

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a traffic stop.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, it was not an off the cuff comment that

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she made.

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Speaker 1: I think that they have been.

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Speaker 5: Aware for some time that obviously the behavior and the

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instructions that were driving the behavior of ICE agents were

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going to end up in some kind of a tragic moment.

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So I think that on some level she is pre

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prepared to have a response. But clearly the fact that

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she came to the conclusions that she came to well

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before there was even an investigation speak to the fact

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that they are determined to not only create their own

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narrative which they want to pump into the media, the

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media ecosystems that reach their target and their base, but

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reaching that target and that base has now become the

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thing that is important to them. And there's a blind

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eye to the rest of the nation. And I'm lifting

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this up because what we're really experiencing is minority rule.

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And when you have a dictator who is governed by

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minority rule, it means that he always has to play

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to his or her base. He always has to make

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sure that that base is in play, because that is

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how minority rule works. The other thing that I think

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is so critical that we lift up is that this

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was a white woman and that this was a message

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being sent to white people that you are either with

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us or you are against us, and if you are

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a race trader, we are going to treat you just

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like we would treat somebody who is brown or who

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is black. The way that the Vice President went on

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and on and on about the fact that the woman

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had to be sick because she was in a location

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where she was lifting up her voice to speak back

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against something that she saw being done by her country that.

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Speaker 1: She disagreed with.

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Speaker 5: That was absolutely horrible for her for him to demonize

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her in that way, But that was a message to

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white folks saying you better pick a side and get

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on it.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. Listen to KBLA Talk fifteen eighty.

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This is the Jay Lunch program and Fat Meet Fridays

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with Gina Town, said Bishop tult More. We come forward

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on KBLA Talk fifteen to eighty. Hey, it's Jesse Jackson

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Junior on KBLA Talk fifteen eighty. Welcome to Fat Meat

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Fridays with Gina Towns and our honor guest, Bishop Joseph Tulton, Bishop.

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Welcome forward to the show.

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Speaker 1: So so good to be with you, Jesse Bishop.

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Speaker 2: Before we shift to the world, Venezuela and to Eastern Africa,

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where you share a significant amount of expertise, Gina has

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a point that she wanted to raise, but I wanted

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to share with you that I found before we even

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get to that point. After Gina's thoughts. You know, the

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preemptive strike on Nigeria a few days ago, a couple

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of weeks ago or so, intervening in a quote unquote,

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if you will, a shit whole country. But it seems

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to be wherever that black gold is, meaning oil, Donald

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Trump is prepared to impose his will on OPEC nations. Gina,

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you had some thoughts that you wanted to finish with

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the Bishop before we moved to the globe.

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Speaker 4: Sure, I just wanted to hear what both of you

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think about Empire. From this perspective, we know that the founders,

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well the more so the framers, the ones who did

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the actual concept and writing of the nation's documents. It

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put on a little bit of a different level about

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what they hoped for and what they thought this nation

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could and would be by the language and the thought

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process and the research they had done what they based

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it on. But they had studied every empire, and they

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saw that every empire in their rise also fell. And

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I find that amazing because there's no study of that

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right now. I don't care how much wealth and military

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might and strength. And I am particularly drawn to Rome

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in that conversation.

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Speaker 1: What are the.

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Speaker 4: Parallels that you feel like you see in this generation?

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Speaker 5: You know, it's such a fascinating comparison. And no, we

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have not learned a lot from home. One of the

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interesting things about the Roman Empire was that it was

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as much their conquest was as much driven by military

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might as it was by their economic power. And as

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a result of that, when when the Roman Empire colonized

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a particular nation, they had two forms of colonial rule.

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One option was to be a province. Another option was

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to be a client kingdom. And so we see this

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kind of mentality here with the United States and the

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areas that were governed as provinces. Rome had a strong

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hand on how they had had oversight, but the client kingdoms,

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like Judea, which is actually one of them. The relationship

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was a little bit more loose. I think that what

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they're going after is in the Western hemisphere they want

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to rule. They want to have territories that are essentially

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provinces like Greenland, but that around the world they've picked

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some places where they're ok with having what Judea was,

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which was a client kingdom where you could have your

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own governor have some autonomy, but you had to look

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to us for your protection and for your ultimate direction.

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And so he's very cleverly thinking about places outside of

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the Western hemisphere where he wants.

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Speaker 1: To establish that relationship.

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Speaker 5: And Jesse was right, Look for the oil and you'll

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find the place where he's trying to develop that relationship,

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and of course using Christianity right as a mechanism or

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the vehicle to assert his influence.

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Speaker 1: The same thing in Uganda.

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Speaker 5: We know Paula White just left the Great Lakes Regions

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a couple of about a month or so ago. What

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does Uganda have. Uganda also has real oil deposits. Uganda

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also has a pathway to Congo's minerals. So we are

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living in an astonishing moment for this administration is using

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a trumpet. It's no longer the quiet part. It's the

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loud part.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 5: They want to recolonize the world and they want to

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do it under the banner of dominion.

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Speaker 4: And in that you will have oppressed people who will

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come and join, because if you even think about it,

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the minions, if you will that oppress their own people.

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At the bidding of Rome, that we only have one king,

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and that's an interesting word that we're using there. We

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have no king but Caesar. That's I think that's the goal.

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Speaker 2: I think my contribution to that conversation Gene is very,

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very small. The only thing that we are assured of

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in empire is this that under a star child will

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be born. One day a son will be given, and

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the government shall be upon his shoulders, and he will

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be wonderful, or she will be wonderful. She will be

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a counselor she will be the prince of a war

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of a world that is no longer warring, a prince

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of peace. Now, I don't know if that's seven hundred

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and forty two years from the moment. Isaiah said that

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until the birth of Jesus of Nazareth, and I can't

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promise the American people or the world a magician who

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walks the countryside doing various magical tricks or healing that's

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extra medical or extra scientific. But I think we're talking

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about the birth of compassion, the birth of empathy. And

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I do think that the only thing that we are

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assured in Empire, maybe not that we will live for

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eight centuries to see it, but this too shall pass,

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and it will unravel because we've seen this story before.

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Speaker 1: Bishop.

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Speaker 5: My grandmother used to remind me all the time, son,

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God doesn't love ugly, but he's also.

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Speaker 1: Very little for beauty.

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Speaker 5: And I always used to struggle with the second half

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of that statement, what does she mean? And what she

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meant was, Yeah, it's one thing to be ugly, but

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also don't get to fully yourself. This is the human condition.

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We're trapped in, these human bodies, and when we get

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a little, we want a whole lot more, and we

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don't know when to stop, right.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's what greed is.

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Speaker 5: It's a condition where people cannot get enough, and as

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a result of it, they will always go too far

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and do something that will ignite the revolution, just as

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happened during the days of Jesus of Jesus the CHRISTI.

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Speaker 2: Should we have about four minutes before we come forward

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it to forty six in the hour. I'm thinking that

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your work in Eastern Africa is directly under assault as

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well with this preemptive bombing campaign that did include Nigeria.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, there's no question about that.

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Speaker 5: The entire relationship now with between Africa and the United

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States is being intentionally scrambled by this administration. I think

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it's very important that we lift up the fact that

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this week the President exited about sixty plus associations or

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organizations that are a part of the United Nations, but

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importantly one of them is the United Nations Permanent Forum

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for People of African Descent, and the argument or the

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rationale given was that it's a racist organization that is

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seeking reparatory justice. Trump understands fully well that people of

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African descent are in a very interesting place where we

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had begun to begin to find ourselves our way back

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to each other, and that in that great family reunion,

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one of the primary outcomes was going to be a

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cry for redressed, a cry for reparation. So much of

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what we see happening right now in his relationship with

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Africa is to kill the opportunity for us to actually

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have a global call for reparations for people of African descent.

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That is the core reason we got out of the

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United Nations Permanent Form for people of African descent. I

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think it's one of the core reasons that we're meddling

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in Nigeria, because we're just stoking tensions between southern and

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Northern Nigeria, between the Islamic community and between Christians. And

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it's also why Paula White lifted up her hands in

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anointed musseventy just a month or so ago and said

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to the redondant people that he should be the president

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for life because he knows. It's because she knows very

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well the administration knows that President musseventy and his wife

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Janet are two of the most key, free willing dominionists

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on the continent who are very much so in the

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pocket of the most extreme elements of American's white Christian

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nationalists movement.

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Speaker 4: Gina Well, I put this map of the continent up

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with good reason because occasionally we do talk about how

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many people are moving to Africa from America, and that

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is you know, African Americans quote unquote, moving to Ghana,

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moving to Nigeria. You know, and when you look at

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the re sources that are on the continent of Africa,

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you can begin to understand why you do have to

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break that up if you are wanting to be, you know,

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in a supremacist mindset and in control.

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Speaker 2: I am, I am, I'm struck by both of your analysis.

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When it comes to Donald Trump's lack of interest in

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any kind of diplomacy. I mean, what do we need

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an ambassadorial core for what do we need these international

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organizations that the bishop spoke of to help try and

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create broader understanding and dialogue. But I also think that

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the president of the United States is following the slave

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trade from Eastern Africa to Cuba, to the Caribbean, to

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South America, wherever the exploitation has occurred some of the

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greatest crimes in human history. Donald Trump has sought to

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engage in further exploitation, exploitation of those communities. And then

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with high insight, when you look at in Krouma, and

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you look at Kadafi, and you look at Trore, and

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you look at these African leaders who argued for one

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currency and one continent and a United States of Africa,

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or in the case of female Castro or the case

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of she Gavera, making the argument for one South America

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a United States of South America. Our people are simply

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helpless and defenseless if we have to, if everybody needs

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to be president of their little space, and everybody doesn't

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see themselves, or every country doesn't see themselves as a

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governor in a United States of their country or their

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continent that is specifically designed to create security for all

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who dwell there in. I'm Jesse Jackson Junior. More on

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Fat Me Fridays with Gina Towns and Bishopton when we

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come forward, Jesse Jackson Junior, Welcome forward to the Jesse

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Jackson Junior Show on KBLA Top fifteen to eighty. Our

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very special guest on this Fat Meet Fridays is none

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other than our regular contributor, host and the creator of

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the Jesse Jackson Junior Show, Miss Gina Towns, and our

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very special guest from the Affirming Ministries, Bishop Joseph Tulton,

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missup Tulton, Welcome forward to the Jesse Jackson Junior Show.

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Speaker 1: Excellent to be here, Bishop, can you.

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Speaker 2: Share with us in this final segment and right before

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I can ask how we can support your work internationally

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and domestically. The President is now planning on withdrawing the

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United States from sixty six international organizations, treaties, and agreements.

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What does this mean and what are the long term

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implications of the United States withdrawing from these organizations, treaties,

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and entities.

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Speaker 5: Well, first and foremost, and I'll use the United Nations

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Permanent Forum for People of African Descent as an example,

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where withdrawing from these entities because we want to cripple

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the UN further by spending even less on the UN

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and contributing less. It was the work of Desiree Comier,

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who was President Biden's special own boy from the State

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Department to racially marginalized communities around the world. That work

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done in the State Department was to ensure that the

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United States would be a strong supporter of the Forum.

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So now the money that we give is gone, our

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presence is gone, which says a lot, and we no

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longer have a United States representative. So what he's trying

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to do is he's trying to remove himself from a

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context in which there is accountability, right, because why should

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there be accountability if there's accountability, there's going to mean

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that's going to mean redress, that's going to mean some

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kind of economic restructuring of the economic global orders so

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that nations, particularly in the Global South and communities of

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color in the global North, receive a greater fair share

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of the pie. So he is seeking to remove the

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United States from the context in which there would be accountability,

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particularly on issues of reparatory justice.

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Speaker 1: Gina.

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Speaker 4: What's interesting about that is because we've seen this show before,

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and it's done incrementally. It's been done on the local level,

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and then you see it having been done on the

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national level, probably on the state level as well, but

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then on the national level, knocking the legs from under

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not only Congress, but the Supreme Court. And I think

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of the two, the one that's most dangerous to have

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knocked out, if you will, is the Supreme Court. So

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that just gives you some idea of how long this plan.

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You may see these people and their faces as implementers

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right now, but this plan has been in place for

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such a long time because we know that Barack Obama

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was supposed to have a Supreme Court nominee, and I

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never know why people just don't fight for what they're

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supposed to have. It's almost like we let the sun

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go down. The son was coming up and we were

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trying to get home before our mother saw that we

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weren't in the bed. We stayed out too late. But

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we are in a place and you know, and that's

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why I know. You know, Jesse and I were discussing

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during the break, having you talk about, well, what can

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we do. I know you are involved in a number

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of organizations that are forming coalitions and passing not just

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I suppose some sort of referendums or resolutions. What can

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you tell us about you know, where we go from here?

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Speaker 1: Bishop?

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Speaker 2: Just before you do, Bishop, I want to say this, Gina.

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When you mentioned Barack Obama and his Supreme Court nominee

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Merrick Garland, he might have been the first Supreme Court

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justice in the history of the United States who was

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incapable of making a decision. Well, that's just me. I mean,

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he waited two years to prosecute Donald Trump. And here

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we are, Bishop to.

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Speaker 5: Jesus, point between Merrick Garland and the former head of

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the CIA who got Hillary Clinton into trouble during the

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end of her run.

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Speaker 1: We can have a little talk for real.

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Speaker 5: But to get back to sister genius question, I'd love

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to speak to two things. One, I want to quickly

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pivot to Haiti because we haven't mentioned Haiti. The President

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has talked about Columbia, he's talked about Mexico, but I

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want us to be clear as people of African descent,

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that Haiti has got to be on his list. It

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is politically unstable. It's always been understood to be a

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problem that needs to be managed, but little has been

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said about the fact that Haiti sits near the offshore

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sedentary basins that are connected to Venezuela as oil rich systems.

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They have never had the political stability to be able

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to extract oil, but the geological surveys have always suggested

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that there are oil deposits there. The second thing about

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Haiti is that it sits in one of the most

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important maritime corridors in the Western Hemisphere, the Windward Passage,

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major shipping lanes, military position in trade checkpoints, etc. Also

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in Haiti there is gold, copper, silver box site, marble,

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and limestone. And the last thing, the cost of Haiti's

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labor is so cheap that it makes it very attractive

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for an imperialist. So I want us to really be

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thinking about this strategy to conquer the Western hemisphere and

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really be thinking about Haiti and how important it is

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to us in the diaspora. It should be the Singapore

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of the diaspora because it represents black excellence and Black

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freedom and because of the Haitian Revolution. We know that

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Haiti has suffered, not because it failed, but because it succeeded.

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That said, the work that Interconnected Justice does, and you

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can find us at I sjusice dot org, is to

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bring together not only Grasstops leaders, but also Generation Z

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young activists, the best in the business, who are lawyers

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and civil society advocates, and who are political thinkers and

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academic and we bring our people of African descent from

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the continent in conversation with those of us in the

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diaspora that we might mind together for the best solutions

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to harvest black solidarity in the interest of being able

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to confront the infrastructure of white Christian nationalism and not

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only defensively defeat and undo or undermine their agenda, but

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also vision what is the kind of world that we

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want to live in. Can we revisit African cosmologies as

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the source of our inspiration for understanding who we are,

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our place, and our right to exist freely and to

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be able to have control and autonomy and self determination

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over our own bodies and our own resources. So I

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think that this is an incredible moment for people of

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African descent to begin to shift our consciousness as black

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people from just a domestic frame to understanding that these

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issues are global and that we always have to think

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about just what's happening to African Americans, but from Acra

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to Atlanta, from Chicago to Cape Town, we've got to

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be thinking about how these issues resonate globally and and

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begin to then speak to the issues. Even when it

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has to have a local solution, I think we have

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to always put that local solution into a broader global

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context because that is how our opposition is thinking. So

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visit us at icjusice dot org, join, donate, become a member,

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become involved, and make sure that your organization, even if

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it has a local mandate, it should always have a

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global perspective and a Pan African understanding.

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Speaker 2: Give me that email address or that that website address

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one more time, very quickly.

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Speaker 1: That's the letter, I the letter Cusice dot org. I

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see justice.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, Bishop, thank you for being on our show,

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and I can't wait to have Bishop Tualton back, hopefully

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before the end of next week, to discuss this global

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Western human hemispheric problem and more specifically Haiti. I'm Jesse

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Jackson Jr. We're on MIT Fridays with Ginatowns. More on

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KBLA Talk fifteen eighty when we come forward