Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to Travis told
you on a Monday, October twenty fifth, almost a twenty
second for some odd reason, I'm your host Tras now,
and yes I am back a little bit of a
week off. I apologize I didn't say the week before.
I think I told the patrons, but I don't know
if I told anybody else. I apologize. Last week I
was offered my day job, so there just wasn't time
for There's just certain times I can schedule in when
I know I'm home. Last week I was off hanging
out with the twins and the old the Emily, hanging
out with the Ellie to all the sports they go
to school, whatnot, but just doing stuff. We had a
hookie day where we went to our local kind of
local punkin Patch and Wednesday we let the kids off
school and whatnot. So that was a fun day. So
that's why I just could not plan for it. But
luckily there wasn't like an abundance the news there still isn't.
It's it's getting oddly quiet. I guess we did just
have New York comic cons, so maybe that's why some
steduws dropped some stuff and felt like, oh, that's good enough,
but let me just let everyone know I'm here doing
my thing. But yeah, so I'm back whatever doing here.
We got fun day and Wednesday foretra has told you, Yeah,
I don't. We'll see what happens. I'll probably have to
start thinking about evergreen topic in case Wednesday sucks for
the amount of news and everything, because really just got
the box Office and then I got Mike's question that
he put in last week. They said I wanted to
make a topic. I had a couple of things from
Charlie as well, So yeah, I'll try to think of
something ever green topic in case Wednesday. Do have a
list somewhere, but I like try and pick something timely
or maybe something you know that I haven't talked about
who knows. But that's a warning for anyone that's listening.
If you have anything that you think could be longer
for you want me to discuss and get it ready
because Wednesday I might need it. You know. I would
love to do a Q and a episode of the future.
I'm still playing with the like I think it's like
I said before, I'm gonna do this like the two
times and then at this time slot until the end
of the year, and then I'm gonna kind of see.
I'm not sure if I'll ever change a time slot,
and not sure if I ever go from recording and
then post it live and after the fact, so I
don't know. It kind of all depends a lot of
things with job life, et cetera. Especially next year Emily
will eventually go back to work because her uh matt
leeve will be over. So as right now until December,
pretty much mid December, I'll be doing this obviously the
Christmas and everything. That's a crap shoot, but and there'll
be some changes here and there with movies and everything.
But yeah, I hope everyone is doing well. Offside, did
do some stuff last week. I did gen VA Taylor,
which we got the finale this week, so look up
for that. That should be lots of fun. And then
for the patrons and the people that watched live on
that day, we did do GV I think it's six
seven six right. It was a live cast with myself,
Kirkland and Taylor in studio in person on the patio.
We had a fire pick going on, we had the
Halloween decorations behind us. We had one topic planned and
we didn't even get to because it's literally two and
a half hours of tangents. And if people wonder what
the old GV used to be like that, like it
was like that but worse because there were sometimes five
to six of us in person. It just goes off, right,
So that is the good thing about online. I just
feel like there's it keeps us narrowed in, but I
think for those episodes it's That's what we kind of
want is a fun, laid back five where we kind
of go anywhere, right because we cover news all the time,
and like we said, Maddie is a champions waiting for
that Bond draft. I will I will get it to you. Man.
If they some reason cast Bond before we do the
drafts and I'm wrong, then we'll make it up to
you one way or another. But yeah, lots of good
stuff happening in Geek. First gout the finale this week.
We got for gen v Off, so we got cyquests
coming up. We have some retros come out for the patrons.
We got Bike Ride, which is a Patreon pick, and
we got The Running Man, so it's gonna be tons
of fun. We got Bredon, but we got after nine
this Friday, six pm PST. Just gonna be a regular
talk one. Usually for Halloween we do the watch along ones,
but because we did uh Netflix and fail the patron
like all the people that donate on GVD unlocked the
ice cube? What the world the world's that one? And
then we did one not too long camera on the
other one. Oh it was the Val Kilmore one right,
because we did that kind of a tribute stream when
he passed away. We did a lot of watch along
so I think what I'm gonna do is gonna kick.
I think the next one we're gonna do is that
Peter pam wan So, Maddie, I know I told you
to wait. We could do that for Halloween. If you
want to watch it, go ahead. But I still think
in January we will try to watch those together because
those are some you know, not there's some different movies,
but they're fun to watch with everybody. So that's just
why we've done lots of watch alongs and haven't done
too much, just like catching up and usually Halloween we
have some fun times, some about scary movies and moments
and we can talk about that scare list. I know
we'll do the on geet first news coming up too,
but uh yeah, so lots of fun stuff in the
geek for sphere. Like I said that episode of Us
in Studio, if you're not Patreon, you can't get there
right now. If not, ill realase at some point in
the future. We try not have too much on the feeds,
but on Patreon it's wild. While West you're getting multiple
episodes a day tons like, I think there's another week
where you're getting more than the whole week amount of episodes.
We just did the gimmick that was again talk about tangents,
lots of fun with myself, David and s Bubbs. And
then finally before we get the main topic here after
nine this Friday Extra Life couple. I was gonna say,
a couple of Fridays from now call Fridays plus a Day.
November eighth, twenty four hour stream. Very fun. It's starting
to get rolling right now, like everything's kind of getting cemented.
Lots of the planning's happening, things are being filmed. It's
it's gonna be, especially with certain things that we got
going on. I think it's gonna be a bit more,
a bit more bigger than it's been a little years ago.
We're still in the same location, but there's just certain
things that we can do now that maybe we couldn't
in the past. So I'm looking very forward to that,
and especially the gallet that is that's my bread and butter.
Very excited. I shared David and Spob some stuff that
we got planned going on. And if you don't know
that's happening, that's our esports gaming league where it's gonna
be a tournament. We're doing like a whole season of
geek first into one night and it's round five rounds.
But it's like a mix of video game esports and wrestling.
There's gonna be entrances, there's gonna be promos. It's gonna
be a very good time. Oh man, if you could
see what I'm seeing right now half naked Emily, My goodness,
she's telling me to shush up. But you know, this
is why it's good working from home. But extra life
will be happening in a couple of weeks from now,
So yeah, just narrowing all down and then now in
the next few weeks you'll get the announcements, you'll get
the events, you get the stretch goals, and then you'll
get all the people, the trivia people who are playing.
I always leave that till last week because lots of
people usually say yes. But things can change within three
to four weeks. So yeah, so yeah, it's gonna be
a very good time. And yeah, donate if you can
buy the shirts. If you can, everything's tax deductible for
well sorry, I don't know what the shirt's but for
if you don'nate the Extra Life, that's tax deductible, and
we really appreciate it. If we can get closed to
our goal or pass. I haven't done the exact math,
but if we can get closed our goal or at
least for sure, if we hit the goal of to
twenty five hundred Canadian we will have passed twenty thousand
for Extra Life in the ninety years we're doing. That's
very good. But yeah, it's gonna be very fun time
as usual we will do. There will be a whole
preview episode to get down to it. Yeah, lots good stuff.
So let's get into this. Oh okay, so, so Mike
asked this question a couple week or just last week. There,
let me just do I just have to answer that thing.
Where is that? There? We go, Okay, what do we
got here in the comments here, let's see, just got
the Extra Life. I'm wearing it right now. Hell yeah,
both you what did you get? David got the F
four one. Trying to think what you would get if
it's just the one. I think, like i'd got to
say Jurassic World. I could be I will say I
think that one's the best one. We'll talk about it.
I'll save it for Extra Life. But like when we
do our previewcast. But Taylor had a tough time with
both of the other shirts. One. I think it's biased.
He loves Drastic Parks, so just sinked in his mind.
But that is the easier one where Superman it's not
really like three dimensional, it's very straight. And then Fantastic four.
We kind of there's like three designs of which one
we wanted to go with. We didn't go with the
one that I exactly wanted, but Taylor wanted to do
that one, and he's the designer, so I went with that,
and I understood his reasoning why also because the thing
I want was probably a bit too hard, so the
poor man's already working hard enough. But yeah, I got
you got the Drastic one. Yeah that is h that
to me is a favorite. It looks good. That's why
we have the main like the theme, that's gonna be
three different things going on, but the Jurassic Park one
is the nicest looking one. I think the aesthetic is
really good too with the logo, so it just it
just fits a lot better. But I bought them all
like a savage. I got the Drastic Superman and f C. Yeah,
go do those right now. But yeah, let's get into this.
My guest is question and kias, and that's a great
thing because sometimes I can answer them quickly. But when
he asked us, I's like, you know what, I don't
think this can be just a quick ten to fifty minute.
Maybe it will be, but I don't think so, because
I think what the problem is, and here is the question.
He I'll get the full question because obviously you can see
the tell of the episode. But let's see, who are
your mount rushmore of twenty first century horror directors define
horror directors however you want, but they must have started
their crews in the two thousands, so that's a great question.
I might kind of do a spin off of this
mic and do like a cause at first, when I
was reading this, I thought you were asking the horror icons.
I might do that too close to Halloween. That might
be an evergreen topic. I don't know if i'll do
that on Wednesday because that's kind of too similar topics
back to back, so I try to like vary it up.
But close to Halloween, I think I'll definitely do that
because that because I think that's directors. We're not lacking
any great horror directors icons. I think we're starting to
pick back up, and I think people are realizing that,
Like I think art the clown, you know, really symbolize that,
but just even stuff like clown in the core field,
other things that I feel like people are trying to emphasize,
you know that, or we're trying to make kirklans Hunter
that you know one day. But no, So that's what
I might do. But for directors, this was a very
interesting question because I feel, oh, no, there we go.
I could feel the neck nan the snap and it
did crack, not snap, and it snaps on neck. Not good. Uh.
For the directors, I feel like we talked about this,
whether discorder, I think after yeah, I think after night.
So I don't know if you asked because of that
or whatnot. But one of the last half nights we
were talking about horror directors, and I feel the seventies
and eighties had like you had Craven, you had John Carpenter,
you had Guy. Why am I not? I'm blanking on
a couple others now because I said Craven Carpenter, Why
am I? Man? I just watched the fucking topic right away?
Eighties horror directors. There's gonna be totaloopert right, uh directors.
Let's see. I don't know why I got all caps
on like a fucking lunatic, but I do. Let's see here, Okay,
had I not? Yeah, there's a couple here because I'm
on the spider. So yeah, Tober probably the Cronenberg, I
guess Jo Dante. I would include Joe Dante really there,
David Lynch for sure, George ra Merrow and then Ramie Right,
But that's a huge crop of people that are very influential.
Clive Barker, Yeah, that's another one I put in there too.
But for at least in the generation of that decade,
you had those go to even the first three I named, right,
multiple things going on. Carpenter and Craven alone, and then
it kind of felt like in the nineties and early
two thousands that kind of win away. And I'm not
saying the horror dropped. I think there's a bit of
it which I'll talk about Mount Rushmore, and that'd be
why I'm you know, looking at this, because let's actually
take a look, because this is the whole episode than
the box office breakdown, which will be you know, not
super long. But like if I go horror directors like
Wes Craven's still there, Sam Raimi. Still I think this
is what we talked about on After Nine, where yeah,
Clive Barker, like a lot of the people that were
in the eighties train it's for over the nineties, right,
And that's what you hope to happen, right. You hope
to have like same thing the directors today that they
will carry on to multiple decades. You don't want they
direct the one and then they go on a bad
path and they direct TV shows and that's it, right.
Peter Jackson, I know why people might put them there,
but I agree with it. Says his early work. I
wouldn't put him as like a horror director. He's director
that kind of dabbles in it, but not many in
the nineties, right, And that's where it was, where it
was kind of a leftover from the eighties or just
knowing the nineties really carved out a new path and
exactly what I was just talking about, that's the same
vibe I have. I feel like says I feel like
nineties had a lot of carryovers or one hit wonders,
the one hit wonders for sure, where if you look booms,
so happened, then what happened to them? Like I said,
directs a few more movies that are eh, goes to
TV shows and then that's kind of it, or they
become assistant director or just director, which is nothing wrong, right,
Like you're still in a business of making movies. But
I'm sure most people go, hey, love to have Wes
Craven's career where fucking multiple franchises, multiple goat movies, you know,
Like that's that's the goal, that's the dream, right But
even like I look at it right now right now
on my TV I just got the Sony Holme screen,
like I know what you did last summer? Like when
that who I don't even know who directed that? I
know because I'm pretty sure whether Williamson that still wrote
it or no. Well let's see here, this is gonna
give me the new one, Okay, good to give me
the old one. Like Jim GILLIPSI, I've heard this name.
Uh what did he do joy Ride? Oh man, we've
probably talked about this two thousand and five's Venom that
we watched with after nine he did that. But that's
where it's like, I do not think that's a great movie.
I rewatched that in preparation for the new one, which
also was not a great movie. But at the time,
big hit, right, and you would think more would come
from that. Didn't even do the sequel right, So that's
where it was. And then the two thousands were starting
to rev up and get those more people right. And
that's where I'm gonna go with the first and all
of these choices for my own restaurant, because I have
two solidified. I think one is if he's not this
first one is not solified on anybody's list. I kind
of don't trust them. I really don't, cause my list
is not just a personal favorites. Even though I like
this first pick a lot, the second pick is pure
personal favorite. I can make an argument for you know,
why X, Y and Z that they still belong on
the list. I don't think there's a personal favorite like
a you know, oh they did one horror movie and
that's it. Right. There's stuff like if I were to
have like I think we talked about honorable mentions here
because people throughout some other one like god, what's I
always fuck up her name? Let's see here, I know
it's Caroline Fugeeter, Corley Farget. I think that's how I said.
That's somewhere. It's like, hey, they have two great films
on their notches, but still need a little bit more.
If I were to put her in my round rushmore,
that would be like a very biased pic that I
couldn't really back up. She's not right now, even though
Substance is one of my favorite you know, body horror
horror movies the last couple decades, Like that was my
favorite movie that year. Right, So even the second pick
that is a personal favorite, I could make a big
case of why they're here. This first one, to me
is should be on all of them, and that's where
I am. I think I have three solidified. The fourth
one is very tough for me. I think I do
have a pick, but the fourth one could I could
argue a bunch of different slots, right, So the first
one I'm going with, I think most people gonna affect.
This is obvious what I was just talking about with
the early two thousands. To me, if you're making a
list and I don't see this guy on here for
your mount rushmore, James Won, James one has to be here.
He's one of those that is spanning now multiple decades
because what Saw came out in five? Right, let me
get his IMDb so we can just look up everything.
Oh my god, turn off capslocks. It's annoying because at
work when I is my computer, everything's supposed to be
in not everything, but a lot of stuff is in
cap blocks just too obviously if I'm dealing with hospital
gear and stuff, they want to avoid like any confusion
going on. So James One, Yeah, Saw came out in
two thousand and four. This guy has had massive hits
in four in the tens and then I guess not
in the twenties yet. Right where was Malignant there? And
you know some gonna be like massive hit like obviously
stick with me now. Maligna was twenty twenty one, and
obviously he went off to Yo do Aukaman, so that
changed a little bit. Hopefully we get back to horr
because what's he doing. The Call of Cthulhu follows Francis thursdaysfisciate.
It's a cult warship the ancient monster Cthulhu. Isn't that
big water monster? Right? Yeah? HP Lovecraft, Hell yeah, that's perfect,
especially after Ackaman. Well what a perfect like kind of
blend from awnestly malignant, from talking about for the twenty
twenties now for all the decades. I'd say is a
very controversial movie. I think the horror community really appreciates it,
even though they don't love they really appreciate it. I
think in the wider community it's probably a lot more
mixed because I feel there is some stuff where it's
definitely on purpose kind of b rate. There's some stuff
that is cheesy in it for me in a good way.
But I do understand where people are like, oh, I'm malignant,
but look at put that aside. For me, that's an
absolute when I imagine it's called Kathulhu is gonna be
really good. But he put that aside. Saw And here's
the thing with my list. It's to do with their work,
but also what they've inspired, right, Saw not only inspired
a franchise that's still going that's about to get rebooting
everything like that. Oh, Cuthulhu isn't really a water monster?
Definitely squid looking monster? Is he not a water monster?
Cause I'm not saying you're wrong, s Bobs. When I
put up like a screen share all these images, my dudes,
buy water over here. Let's take a look at him here.
That's not all the images, but it's a lot of them, right, Like,
let's get like, look, water coming out of water? Okay,
no water, that's water coming out of water. This book
has Okay, he has a lot of water right there,
So this is what I mean, like obviously tons of
water here, s Bobs. I don't know what's going on,
but I have not read the story or anything like that.
So that's where maybe he just spawns from water or
it's not in the water, but any water like sequences. Look,
he's taking out a boat, any water like sequences. I
think once that kind of nailed right because he has
the Auckaman stuff. So either way, I think that's still
a massive plus going on. But Saw the franchise ten
films that he produced or ep'd. At least the first
three he had a lot to go on with. You
know he I think he still wrote all three. Let
me confirm that, I think he still roll three even
though it doesn't matter, I'll confirm. But doesn't he matter?
And this guy, like you think about the career that
he has, the like the the blueprint for I think,
like what any kind of horror director would want, like
include myself. Like, yeah, so let's see he wrote Saw,
Saw Reburve and Saw three a story. Okays, he didn't
anything do to that's interesting and the video gave me
to the treatment. So he's still been around. But they
made the Saw short film. He and Lee one l
LEEO one El is another guy. You could argue, I
don't have him to even him the mention on all mensions.
I don't think I did. He would be on honorable mentions.
I don't think he's done enough great stuff yet. Obviously
Upgrade has some like horror slight isms, but it's definitely
not there. It's more sci fi. Invisible Man, Great Wolfman
I really liked. I know that's more contentious with the community,
but I think he needs a bit more just solo
ones under his belt, and that's what James want. Do
we look at them? The only one that I feel
like is miss and the horror ones to me has
been because let's get very another writer cred right there,
Dead Silence, I remember Dead Silence and Death Sendence. I
got to rewatch that one again because let's say Revenge
one with Kevin Bacon, right, yeah, I remember enjoying that one,
but Dead sign Something is the only one that didn't
really hit on the horror level. I don't love the
Insidious franchise. But my point was, so Saw ten films
they're rebooting it says he's heavily involved. Great, you know
you got that going on. Also for inspiration, there was
ar films before, like even like the Siberian film like
I'm sure I think that came out before Salt. Like.
There's obviously, especially in the fore market, lots of really
messed up films. But I would say in the North
American mainstream, he did create the torture polorn face, he
created the how can You make And it's funny because
not he just that film, so he's obviously directed that,
but it's funny because Saw One, the one he directed
is the least amount of that, right, Like you watch
something where it's the guy that has to get through
the barb wire in context or like in the idea
of that, you think, man, a guy having to push
his way through barbed wire. That's brutal. That's gonna be
really gross. It's very quickly cut and you don't see
much of it, you know, same thing with the fire guy.
You don't see much of it. The saw and the leg.
You see that saw ripped through skin a couple times,
and that's about it. The first movie is the least
amount of like kind of torture porn esque, right, But
it created a genre of that trying to be that.
It's very much like the Psycho Hitchcock thing, right of
creates horror. You don't even see that much of it,
and then people take it and get bigger and bigger
with it. But that is whether you like that franchise
or not. To me, it's that created that kind of
craze going around with hostile and other stuff, and even
the things like the Black Christmas remake where it's there's
stuff that was maybe not even intentionally even I'd say
Friday the Thirteenth with the remake, like even that stuff
got more gorrier because like, well, you gotta be sawd
that's the thing you have to And that franchise went
to what about seven, It started to burnout six, but
still about seven years in a row where they released
those things annually and people will go out and they'd
be profitable, will hit and then obviously you had a
couple months later on Crazy, very very like just fantastic
as far as creating a franchise, right, does a couple
other things? Does Insidious boom? Another fucking franchise out the
gate at the gate, but just like off as next
time doing a new horror property. I guess Dead Science
did happen. That didn't really hit because I was very
excited for that movie, but yeah, I just didn't didn't.
I love creepy Puppets, but just was missing something I'd
like to watch again though, because it's still good. And
the other thing is they created was that whole Hello
Zip and the big twist right, like they kind of
almost revitalize Shanalan twists and away where people want the
to do something like a shock at the end, and
you know, people could always level up to that Insidious.
I like the insidious movies. They were never my favorites.
But again another big franchise he directed one and two
and that spin off for that and spin off, so
again blueprints right there, and then the biggest one for me,
like even more so than Sawka Saw is my favorite, Conjuring.
Conjuring saw I love and for me my personal top
ten horror movies. I would put Sauce there. If it's
of all time, probably not. If it's influential, I can
make a list, But if you're just about best, probably not.
I can make a case for Conjuring being in the
best top ten horror movies. I know some people might think,
like I think some people kind of think it's overrated,
or it's like, oh, that's for very just like that,
that's for it's very hipster like, that's for mainstream horror audiences.
Like true horror audience. People would not put Conjuring No no, no.
I put Conjuring up there, shots wise, score wise, acting wise,
the scares, the lore, the pacing of it. To me,
watch Conjuring four, which is kind of trying to go
for affect similar vibes as Conjuring one, and you can
see the difference of when James One is not behind
the camera, you know, like that's to me where James
want to me. You can always feel when he is
gone from his conception. The other Insidious is after one
and two. The other conjurings after one and two. Like,
I don't even love Conjuring too, but you can feel
James one there. You can feel trying to do something different,
and you can feel his vibe and his power as director.
You can't like the other ones. It's just missing. It's gone, right,
super Mike, who's created these topics as I actually really
liked that science when I saw it. I want to
watch it again. I think I've only saw it twice.
I remember the first time being very excited because I
love creepy puppets. It looks like slap this guy did
saw and I remember being underwhelmed. But I think the
next time I watched it I liked it more. So
I should probably do a third viewing, because you know,
it's fun time enough, Like I remember at least being
like a six out of ten. It's probably more now
that I'm older. See, I should give that a watch soon.
But you know, Conjuring obviously creates this over billion dollar franchise,
This last one's killing it. And again a lot of
these ones he just eped or produced, or there might
be a story by credit that said, so really just
the one and two, But it's because his like saw
insidious and conjuring. They have that same tie that because
the original is so good and unique and has a
different style, you can build off that sound like a
whole world off it, because obviously they were making these
jokes when Aucaman hit a billion, peop are comparing them
James Cameron because he did Fury seven, and then that
Cameron's like, oh tell me when he has three of
them are telling when the original franchy, which is absolutely right,
Like Cameron has the secret mainstream sauce to get that money,
but you'd have to think about it. And and that's
where we're doing this cast now. I don't think there's
anyone that's not even horror. Is there anybody that has
directed let's just even say one one thing and that
three franchises. To me, it's like when I talk about
Bill Scar's Guard right, walk with me for a second.
Christopher Waltz has uh inglorious Bastards and then he has
oh god, why am I forgetting one. Maybe it's just
that I thought there was another one. Maybe it's I
guess you could kind of say, blow Phil with Specter.
But there's something else I'm forgetting, but our Hobveyard Bardam
with Skyfall and no time and no control. Man. I've
always said, like it's hard for someone to get that
trifecta of another great villain, right, because there's there's can
be similarities or scars Guard to me with john Wick
four it and then when Nosvaratu are three very great
to good call or not just villains right, And that's
where for me I'd have to think of I feel
like I can think of people that I've created two
at least but three separate franchises that went on to
be super successful. I don't know if I can think
of that because OSSI, yeah, Cameron would Terminator, but you
could argue the other ones weren't that successful. But still,
but that's one like Ridley, like I'd have to that'd
be another deep dive for franchise. But I would have
to say that James Wand has that record right, I'm
saying of our original ip because yeah, those are all original.
I don't think they're based on any short story, or
at least I'm not saying something like a Marvel or
Star Wars, right, So that's another thing he holds. So
James Wand has to be on there. Easy my other
one personal number two. But like I said, I could
make the case Mike Flanagan, Mike Flanagan, you know, yeah, Kirkland.
So oh, I bet he's on there. He's trying to
spoil my list. He's definitely on there, you know, I says,
my boy, he is my boy, that guy. I'll watch
anything he does, except for Oculus, which I still need
to watch. Maybe I'll try and cross that off because
I'm uh literally at when I started doing this podcast
getting it ready, I was watching Midnight Masks because I
wasn't gonna just watch it. Not that long ago Tarror's
talk about. We talk a bunch about it on the
in person cast. But I think for this guy is
one the talent is there. He's made some of the
best scariest stuff. He almost in the way where like
Austin's happened in the original Strangers and happens in a
lot of other horror movies. But I remember with uh,
with the Haunting of Hillhouse, the craze of pausing the
screen because the idea is the ghosts are always around,
and there's threads, there's like you know, uh, like pages
you can click that give you the slide show and
everything like that. Of all the ghosts you didn't see
in midnight masks and that's or sorry and uh, I'm
getting chills right now in a hillhouse because sometimes they
were there you didn't see them. Then yeah they'd pop
out do some scary and sometimes they weren't. They're just chilling.
And that's the thing where when you would see it,
it'd be like a regular scene of people talking there's
a ghost in there, like is gonna happen here? What's
gonna go on? So it would have you on edge
all the time. I think the best thing that he's done, right,
I think one is if he's the franchise maker. I
think flann again is probably the best because I have
to there we go. Nothing was wrong. If you were listening,
I'm sorry. You probably do that thing where you check
your phone was going on, unplugged my mic this cord.
I gotta get a nuance awful. It's the one the
boys always meme on me for Oh let me get
a drinkle water here, because I'll have to edit this.
I did know s Bubbs that Oculus was a WWE films.
I did know. I've told that to them many times.
It was early on in Geek first we talked about that.
But so I need to cross that off because I
think Karen Gillen's in it too. I think he is
the best at and it's it's hard with him right
because Mike said a director of of any sort right
for me, because I was gonna say, he's the best
at creating in depth, very emotional driven character latching on stories.
They all the characters from Illhouse, Blind Manner, Midnight, Mass,
Full Health, Usher, you like, they're very unique and you
can just think about you could see an image of
that character and go, oh, I know exactly how they act.
They're very defined. He's great. He's a master at the
character stuff. That's why Doctor Sleep is so good. It
is a character study on Danny, and that's why to me,
I get why some people. I haven't met too many
people that don't like it, but I can get why
that didn't perform the way it did the box office
because it's not a rewatchable movie. If you're looking for
the scares of like the Shining, which even the Shining,
the scares are delayed along. I think people think of
the Door and the naked Lady and all the ghosts
and the last third act and they don't even rewatch
Shine and just think of that as all it's a
scare fest and it's really not check out. Obviously. We
have our Halloweeny retro on Patreon. It is that is
a character driven piece in a different way. But Doctor
Sleepy does that. The Midnight Clubs the only one where
it is. But I don't think they I think that
is his weakest. They didn't fully get there. But the
other stuff is fantastic, even Life of Chuck, which also
is not horror, but that has if people have seen it.
The first act, Man, I'm gonna do some skins, has
something that happens that is scary. They're scary stuff throughout
it actually, but the first act has something where when
you don't know the twist, it's fucking creepy. It is you.
It is sitting on the edge of seat, like what
is about to happen? Now? I think I talked about
it if I did a reviewer on Trestle or something
like that, like it happens like, man, okay, we've something's changed.
So for me, that's where the character stuff. And obviously
he gets memed about a little bit, but you know,
it's a director's style and all these characters and these
things will have a they sit down and do a
big eulogy speech where it's seven minutes. Like there's that
scene of I just rewatched in episode four or three
where it's uh, I think it's Lower and Riley, but
it's his wife and the guy who plays Riley in
the Midnight Mass. God, well, I'm not forgetting his wife's name.
She's such a great actress too. They have this they
talk about life and now and it's like a full
twenty minute scene. But he is to me, he's like
the this is probably given him, you know, credit. Maybe
he wouldn't even want to hear have deserved because it's
a big thing. But to me, it's like he's the
horror version of Tarantino where he can just have two
characters talking for twenty minutes and I'm enthralled, even if
it is very you know, go like kind of like
very introspective. And I know some people have said that
of like it's I think with Midnight Mass that was
like a critique where all these speeches are like people
wouldn't talk like this, and it's so just kind of
like it's so otherworldly in a sense where it does
feel like God's talking about humans or it's just so biblical.
But like for me, I like that in his style
it works, especially with Midnight Mass, it worked a lot,
But for me, I enjoyed that a lot. Let's see,
this makes us Two Storms from Hillhouse is the best
hour of horror TV ever. Ah, God, what are my
two Storms of Heillhouse. I've been thinking about rewatching that
because it's been recommending it to Oh yeah, absolutely too. Yeah, No,
that's yes, yeah, nine point three and nine Yeah. I
think I'm probably gonna rewatch it because it's so good.
Let's see here it says would have made more money
if they call the Shine too. Most people talk about
didn't even know it was connected. Yes, I agree, they
probably should have just done that. I know the book
wasn't that. I know it doesn't make sense, but sometimes
you just gotta go with what you have. And the
fact that it is doctor Sleep. No one knew that
was connected to the Shining, and they probably should have
changed the title. Yeah, the monologues are great. The one
at the end of mass is chilling. Yeah to me,
And the monologus are great, Like they all work so
and I get it from that point of view. If
it doesn't work for you, there is a lot of monogue,
or if one particular monologue doesn't work, it can go
on for a while. But it even rewatching them, it
works for me. So to me, it's his character stuff.
And yeah, you got the movies. You got Hush to Me,
which is a really really fun, clever horror movie. Gerald's Game.
I like a lot more the first time I watched it.
I liked it. Second time enjoyed it a lot more.
And then, yeah, Doctor Sleep is a that was a
gargantuan effort to follow up the Shining. Do I put
on the same levels of Shining? No, but it's on
a different like a different hemisphere in a way. Right,
It's it's Mike Flannagan doing his thing. There's things that
don't get me wrong, don't kill me. There's things that
Flannagan's doing that Kubrick probably wouldn't do right as far
as skill level, of course, there's stuff with Kubrick, he's
doing that Flannigan couldn't do, or is just ripping off.
I would like, that's the thing, Like, I love Mike Flannagan,
but there's not many people I would say on the
level of Kubrick overall overall right, like he to me,
it's like him and score says he when I consider
best stuff, like it's those two for very different reasons.
But that's a good class even be talked about. Right.
But with Doctor Sleep, he made it his own, So yeah,
it has to be Flanning in this other one, Mike,
I don't think you're gonna like And some other people
might think it's controversial, some people might think it's dead on.
It was tough for me, but I have to put
Jordan Peele here. So this is a double where Avisuly
it's only the three films, So that's that's tougher, right
because Flannagan and and uh James wand have a bevy
of stuff. For me, this is definitely influenced. Now. I
enjoy all his movies. Nope is my favorite, and Nope
is kind of like the more of the least horror one,
but Nope is my favorite. It's like a sci Fi horror.
This stuff with Jean Jacket and how they eat man,
like it shouldn't be a spoiler now, but that's scene alone.
That's one of the most horrifying things I've seen in
a long time, those people getting sucked up in those tubes. Man.
Maybe it's because I have a fear of being in
tight spaces and not being able to move, But the
sound effects or reveals the pacing. I think US is
great that way as well. I think obviously the third
act and some of the ending stuff that, like the
concept gets a little too big, and with get Out,
you know, a fucking killer idea that put him on
the map. Also he was already Jordan Peel, but that
was a coming out like they you want an Oscar
for that, right, Like for the script, that is one
of those ideas where you will see variation of it,
but you can't. You can't duplicate it, you know. So
I it's tough. So it makes sense if US was
better received generally, I'd agree, even if I don't personally
love stuff. So here's the thing, though, Mike, where I
I understand and even why I win stop putting them
on here. It's not because I have a problem with
it because I've enjoyed to liked all stuff. Right to me,
it's it's nope, get out us. US has some problems
with third act and even to me get out. Some
of the problems with the third act is it makes
the characters because they have to be kind of dumb
in a way to make things keep going right, especially
when they make them smart leads, and some of the
humor like honestly doesn't work for me. But and Nope
to me is pretty perfect. That shot too, of the
house when Jean Jackets unfilling itself. Man, that might be
the shot of the two thousands for horror stuff. It
is fantastic. The reason I'm putting them on here is again,
this is more of the influence we just talked about
Kubrick Prestige. Serious, We're gonna make something that's not just
a cheapen gorefest. Horror existed long before Jordan Peel. Right,
there's many examples. There's tons of like foreign like Japanese horror.
I want to watch that have that right where it
is like prestige, beautiful, well crafted horr. Because let's be honest,
horror gets a bad rep because there are people that
treat it like a porn thing, where it's like, let's
just it's easy, let's get a killer, some gore, some tits,
some drugs, and boomy out of horror film, right, And
that's why they have been They were compared to porn
a lot, especially in the seventies, because it was just
people had that mindset of treating a little lesser than
Peel didn't create the prestige you know, drama or horror genre,
but he brought it back. He wouldn't get out, happened
and was nominated for Oscars, and it was handled with
a lot of delicacy. That was the way that people
in studios now don't been wrong as well. In that era,
there's other horror that's probably prestige and happening. I can't
even name off. But the reason I can't name them
off is because those were on a smaller scale, right,
And obviously I created another genre Peel hating pristige hoar
of like I don't want the hoy toy, I want
the gross, old school raw, you know, grip and ripid horror.
It's a controversial thing, but I think when Peel did
get out, you saw a lot more studios take chances
on prestige war where that was a that's going to god,
what is the shutter? Right, that's a very small, not
getting distribution. That led the path to me for people
like Eggers, like Ari astor even to Zach Gregrish. I
don't I can't put Zach Gregor in like prestige horr
in my opinion, but like there's parts of it that
is right. He led the gateway for a renaissance of
prestige horror when it was kind of gone away like
that was definitely don't have in the nineties. Nineties. I
feel like seventies was that, and then nineties was getting
back to pristige or like very you know, cash and
type of horror. Because even I was watching interview with
the Rower England because the seven Pack, the ninth the
Elm Street came out on four K and he was
talking about how he wasn't even gonna consider that in
the eighties because that was looked at schlock and he
wanted to do Shakespeare in serious acting. But if you
were in horror, that you were looking down upon, right.
I think in the nineties and two thousands it was
kind of getting back to that and I feel Peel
other people helped to but get Out was a big
kick down the door. Oh look what horror can be?
Look at what and even then it's not fully accepted
right Like and I could put isms of ty West
being prestige horror right with Pearl and everything. S says,
could you make a case for Eggers and the Witch
two years before get Out? Yes? And no? I I
think because for me, if I the reason Peel's on
there is because it's mass influential and I feel like
to me the Witch, I saw the Witch. I'm not
trying to be hipster. I'm just saying my group of
friends and people I knew, I saw the Witch with
one other person that was a whole or not my
friend Chelsey, who me and Kyle used to work with
the best Buy. She was the person that I met
that like just love horror like me. Right now because
of the podcast and people mean online you find out
there's so many of them out there, right but almost
two decades ago when I met her, it's like, oh, finally,
so that like loves like that type of stuff right
where they're watching like your next where I'm gonna be like,
what is that to me, get Out had the impact
where everybody is wanting to see get Out, Everyone's wanting
to watch it. People like Ky, who you know obviously
was a black lit film, but don't like horror films.
My friend that had that Peel where the Witch, that
would have been a tough sell. So that's why Mike,
I can't do that because in the good consciousness of
the influence, I don't think. I think the Witch was
in the renaissance, right, and that helped where when that
happened with Peel, that whiden people's horizons be like what
else is out there like this? Even though the Witch
and get Out very different far apart, right, but you
could throw it in that prestige horror case. I think
it benefited after the fact or when you got the Lighthouse,
but I don't think it had the impact that get
Out did. So that's why I couldn't put Eggers on
there for that reason. I think he benefited from it
and was adding to it. But I think Peel he
really kicked it down when people called him like the
Steve Spielberg of Whrror, which you know, of course they
did that the Shyamalan like that's where to me, you
know it had a difference. And yeah, when you said,
I guess get ou getting Oscar attention does push it above.
And that's to me where it is. It's for me,
it's both it's the Oscars but also his mainstream attention
where the witch didn't get that right where let me
just look for other as a prestige wharr in two thousands.
I just want to see if there's anything else that
I'm leaving out that could have made a case for it.
Like someone put the descent as a prestige horror, and
I think the descent is very scary. I don't know
if it's prestige horror. And that's the tough thing, like
like someone's putting like, yeah, I guess that's Google AI.
But I'm trying to think of like like yeah, like
let the right one in, that would be prestige. But
let's say best. Let me just go to the one
hundred best of the two thousands for raw tomatoes and
pans lambminth Yes, that's prestige horror. The host, Yes, let
the ververyone in DRAMI hell no, Sean Dead, no reck,
no Gingers napps no. In my opinion, twenty days later.
You know, Mike, you didn't love it, Like I could
make a case for that, but I feel like it
wasn't really happening. And then you have an at fat
like the others. Yeah, I could kind of make a
case for that. So to me, he just gave it
the big boom that happened, and that's where for me,
even if you'll don't love his work, you kind of
have to give him that credit in my opinion, And
I still put him above other people because get Out
is an all timer concept and then to me, Nope,
is one of the best ones of this you know
past two thousand Bobba Duke. Absolutely, yes, because Bob Duke
that was before get Out, right, Boba Duke. And but
that's the same thing, right, bob a Duke to twenty
fourteen and then get Out was I at twenty seventeen? Right, Yeah,
So that's the thing though, Baba Duke, same thing, same person,
my friend Chelsea, Like I meant, no one that saw
the Baba Duke back then when it came out, I
had to like wait forever, didn't get his Colonna screening
wasn't on any like I guess there wasn't really stream
services there but wasn't on Netflix, Like I had to
find a way to find and watch that thing, couldn't
even buy it. Like the Baba Duke to me was
same thing as the Witch. Where is that prestige horror?
But that's when to be pristige horror was more niche
and had a certain audience where now there's more people
accepting of it, you know, for some people rightly or
wrongly right because I'd be like, oh, there's too much
of it now, but I I think there's a good bounce.
I think we're in a good bounce right now, and
I think we're getting a lot of good horror stuff
all around. Right. So that's where we got eighteen minutes.
What do I do for the forest spot? Right? I
asked people for some uh honorable mentions or who they
would have thought and some names here that I brought up.
So also we talked about him just now, and I
already talked about you know, Corly Forget. I think that
that could be downline, but not right now, Aggers. That
is somebody that could be you know which lighthouse Nostraw
to Northmen, because if I have James on there for
the franchise, like he's a franchise machine, and to me,
he's made great ones like Conjuring Saw and Maligna. Right there,
that's a trinity where I'm like, you deserve me. Those
are very very special, right where if I'm I'm trying
to use the same thing for aggers. I think the
Witch is special. I think they're They're all special, but
I think it's like varying degrees of how much you
enjoy them, right, Like the Lighthouse, I enjoyed a filmmaking perspective,
but can you Is it something you want to really
watch over and over again? That should be the main
reason why you get on the list, But it just means, like,
I think that's a There's many people that could watch
The Lighthouse or the Witch and really not like it
at all. Right, So that's why it's tough for me.
He might be on a Mount Rushmore somewhere if you're
talking just quality, But if I'm taking a lot of
different aspects, I don't know if he's there, but he
could fill out foreslow. I think he's probably the closest
one to do it, just because he's he's making some nos.
Fauci to me is a whore epic and I think
where Wolf could propel him, I might not even I
might still not have him out of the race yet
because I have a foreslat who I have there. But
it's very tough, right the other one, I have to
wait till there's more of it. But I have to
give the same way a shout to, you know, with
Peel and James one, he's not on here for sure,
but Damian Leon like for Terrifier and Art the Clown,
and that's ones where I don't really even enjoy Terrifyer
one and two that much. I don't even think they're
the best movies. I think they do what they do well.
I get why people love them. I think there's stuff
where it's like, man, a few little changes here, this
could be better, And some of it is because of
budget and some of it is just because of choices. Right,
I've said this before. Felt like he evolved, felt like
he had his game. That's you could tell when you
see a director. And that's the thing where it's different
with uh when you watch this stuff in retrospect, Right
with Cubriic, you hear all the stories and you watch it,
right Craven heroes stories and you watch it when I'm
watching this in real time. To see Damian like evolve
as director, it's fascinating, right, And Terrified three also had
some of it because the budget as well, but just
in general the pacing, I was like the first half
and now I was like, this feels miles better. Like
EON's better than T one and T two, So I
don't put him in there yet. I have to seek
his offs thee art he's same thing. He's created a
horror icon which is very tough, like I think James
One has kind of done that with He has done
that with Jigsaw, but Jake Saw is like a mixture
of the Traps and Billy the puppet in Tobin Bell.
It's kind of all the pig mass. That's all over, right,
but it still saw as a horror icon. But to
have like another Michael Freddie Jason Chucky Leatherface, ghost Face,
it's been a while. It'd been a long time people
would attempt and I felt like they kind of stopped art.
The clown is on that level now when it's Halloween
and you walk into Spearit Halloween, or you walk into
Hot Topic Art, the clown is fucking everywhere, you know,
he's like, he's like this decade's Harley Quinn. Right, So
for me, I'd love to circle back in twenty thirty
to see k after he's done with Art, because I
know he did another movie that didn't really go anywhere.
After he's done with Art Terrifier, what's next? Because to me,
he could be like James one where if it happens
multiple times and just the the success alone of Terrifier
two and three, the fact that you know, people can't
like like they wouldn't many people won't advertise this movie.
Many theaters wouldn't carry the movie, or they had to
like you know, selfish self efficiently promote and do the
marketing and spend all that money. That is a major
success story, maybe even more than Saw right beca saw
a short film and gets picked up and then becomes
a franchise blockbuster for the Horror Realm in lions Gate. Right,
Terrifire still is like hard to distribute with people because
it's like an X rayed movie. Right. So it's very
impressive the whole thing. So I think he's a potential one.
Uh yeah, we'll get there, Mike says. Bi. The puppet
is a Frankenstein situation or frank Zin Monster situation where
the GA might think the puppet is Jagsaw. That's I'm
with you right where if I do that list, I
still would have them on there because the tape let's
play a game, but it is convoluted in a sense
for the heel that aren't fan of the franchise, right,
other people, let's see here our astor. I think the
problem is that he was, like if I'm considering angers
on the Brount Rushmore, I think he was in that
same boat with Agers, he was neck and neck. And
I think now even though Eddington's on a horror movie,
there's kind of some thriller aspects in it. I think
he's been a clipse by Agers. I think with Lighthouse
and the Witch versus Hereditary and Midsommar, I could they
were comparable, and I think I could lean towards Ari
taking the win there once you did. And let's let's
let's put Northman and Eddington together, right, because not exactly
horror movies, but have some horror ish stuff. Northman way
more to be Northman clears Eddington right, So for me,
then it comes down to Bow's afraid versus nos for
rot to and even if you were to flip it
and do best versus best, I think Agger's best is
nos for a to and obviously Ari Asters. I think
you can make a case, but I do thinks best
is Hereditary, which I have a funny story I will
share in the discord uh coming up about Hereditary that
happened to me today. But I think Agger still clears them.
I think I think Ari has the same way. Lighthouse
is very mixed with people, and even Witch so somebody
I don't like the Witch. Ari's Aster's work is becoming
more and more mixed. Even Hereditary had some mix about it,
but I feel like now Hereditary Mincimar have kind of
locked their places in for the horror for like not
you know, not franchises, but classics. In a sense, I
think that it's the other two are are too too
mixed there, and it's not mixed like I said in
the Lighthouse way where it's kind of varying degrees right,
Us is getting better. Ari is getting worse. I don't
know if I can say worse. I get what you mean, though,
I think he's getting more stylized and that is less
appealing to people it's more of a specific approach, right,
But so ari he can't be in there because of
that Osgoode Perkins. He's somebody that could be obviously. Uh.
I can't remember off the pull Up because I watched
it last year and it was a pretty creepy movie.
It was really it's like the coal miner Daughter, the
black coal Miner's daughter, see oz good Perkins. I think
the problem, not the problem, but he's what within the
last twelve months he had because it's uh, go long Legs.
Let's see Long Legs, Monkey and Keeper. Yeah, long leg
and I guess he I guess that makes sense though.
Why it's happening though, right, because he directed Gretel and Hansel,
and then he didn't do a movie for four years,
and now he's done Long Legs, the Monkey, and the Keeper,
which are all coming out within twelve months of each other.
So maybe he's just saving up there. Black Coat's Daughter,
that's the one. There's some pretty horrifying things in there.
I am pretty think that lives in the house. Very
experimental sort of film. Wasn't my cup of tea. I
don't think it's necessarily good. I still need to see
Gretel and Hansel. He's kind of like Damian Leon where
I need to see more with the output that he's saying.
I'll say no, don't say as good Perkins. But here's
the thing, whatever, excuse me, whatever you feel about long
Legs in that movie, the Long Legs character Nick Cage.
I'm not saying he's like a Freddie redasent, but he's
become a somewhat pulp culture horror icon, right. He's created
an iconic character that people know there's means about. You
can just show a photo of them and you get
it right. And to me, long Legs has a lot
of reception for tons of people. I cannot put him
up there because the Monkey I thought was fine. I
think it was a very well made movie, and for
the people that liked that final destination type of horror,
I understand. But I think he's someone Mike that has potential.
I gotta see the Keeper, but long Legs could be
the peak. I think Long Legs was something special, even
though it's not a perfect movie for me, it's not
like a ten to ten. I think there was something
very special about it. And his style is very very dreadful,
So that's I guess what the monkey was good for
something a little bit different, But yeah, I had to
put him there because long legs came up. That's some
prestige horror. Hainamore as a writer, to be fair, and
that's what I've heard, right. I don't think you're wrong.
I think that's his biggest critique. Where the direction is fine,
it's more the writing of it, right, And that's where
I have to see. What's he directing to young people?
Ozigo Perkins starring Nico Parker and Lowe Toungue. Okay, I
don't know. I can't remember. I thought I heard the
pitch about this. I thought it was interesting the pitch.
But I'm just saying he's somebody that could go there
want to bring up, but didn't have him the last
one I have before the fourth on my list right now.
So for Charlie, he said Charlie Randell, and I had
him on the list anyways, but for Ulster. For Mike's question,
Scott Darrison gets a nod from me as a great
horror director in two thousand's After Black Phone two. He's
not quite in the top due to his lack of
movies compared to some others, but I think he could
be up there if he did more love his style,
and I mostly just wanted to shout him out because
Sinister is my favorite horror movie all time, which we
will talk about since there in a couple of weeks
on our Geek first episode of his the Scariest Movie
All Time and stuff like that, because we did talk
about that list that some Scare project put out. I
don't know but U. And finally on Osgod Perkins, Mike
says his visual style is good. I agree. He didn't
write the keep for some curious Yeah, I'm curious too.
Scott Dereckson, he's a tough one. He kind of feels
like he's like Light James one in a sense right
where he has two franchise awfully black Phones still going.
But he did Sinisor, but then Sinsors two was very
meh and he didn't direct that. I think he wrote
it maybe, but he didn't direct that, and that's when
you can tell he was missing. And then Black Phone
two he did direct and write, and you can feel
that he was there because it feel felt evolved, felt
carried on from the first one, and it felt like
they were any changes or things they did to like,
oh this happened, the first one felt natural, where some
franchises they don't write. I think, like you said, Charlie,
he's he's worth a shout out. I can't put him there.
I think he just needs more. I think Sinister was
a start. Sinister was his saw, and I think black
Phone two is very, very good. You can listen to
our review that we did last week in the Non
Sports I talked about how has some pacing issues. I
think at times there's some dialogue and writing that isn't
the greatest, and also just that there's just pacing where
lots of exposition dumps like too much, and lots of
stuff that we already know when it happens right. So
for me, he's somebody the same thing we're turned back
to when we get to twenty thirty four to do
this list again or the next Mount Rushmore. I think
there's potential for him to get on there, but I
don't see it because what was the other one that
he did. I guess there's right. I forgot has some
very low lows, like day there are sitting on deliver
us from evil, deliver Us from evil. I think I've
looked this up before. Isn't that some sort of like
prison possession movie? Right? Deliver Us from Oh Yeah? With
Eric Bonna and Edgar Ramirez. I've always wanted to see this.
I've heard not the greatest things. But that's the thing
where he's very I can't. I guess you could say
hit or miss. But oh, and that's right. I was
trying to think of, like, what was the movie in between?
Even the first Black Phone. I enjoyed it, but I
was very underwhelmed by it. So he just needs a
few more. If he could get a couple more Sinisters,
he could be there. I have not checked out his
dream Kill segment on VHS. I need to still watch that,
and I want to watch a bunch of them once.
I checked that out because I didn't know it was
tied to Black Phone. So that's cool. But yeah, it's
just he's just not there. Yeah, and I don't know
if he's ever gonna be there. And that's that's fine, right.
He has a great career. Lots of people love Doctor Strange,
and the thing is like sinister, I don't know if
you could put them out rush more for the two thousand,
I think there's a case I could make a. He
did a hell Raiser too. Oh No, some of those
later ones are a little questionable. But that's a whole
nother question too. If we're doing directors and icons. If
I were doing movies, I don't know if it's on there,
but I can make a case for the First Sinister
being in the top four. I think I don't know
for sure. It might be an hourable mention might get there.
But that's the thing where even if you just have
a movie like that, where you can make the argument
that you can have a movie on top four, you're
gravy man. That's a great people would kill for that career.
Some people have nothing even close to that, right, I
would kill to say, Hey, in the twenty thirties, this
key for studio, you could argue it's the top four
Mount Rushman Horrory, right, my name doesn't have to be
up there. That's what you want to strive to be, right.
But it's just like he's had a very impressive career
with some lulls. So that's where I just can't get
him up there. But he's worth the shoutout. But Mike
had mentioned him, and yes, I think I have to
give it to Fetti, even though Mike I was swaying.
It's tough that Agger's pick is is very tough because
I gotta pulp everything from because one thing I'll bring
up and I guess this could fall into the director
not horror stuff, right, even though my god, my thing
is slow and completely down. I was gonna pull balls
movies even though it's not horror. The girl, the draining
tattoo or the spider Web. It is a thriller, right,
and on the filmography, that's tough thing. So it's like
that's where it comes down to the horror. The Eggers
versus Fetti is the toughest run, right, because you have
Evil Den I'll bring up your point BC that you
said where because you said it had to be Fetti,
and I agree because I love that Eel Dead remake.
I think that is the best one out of all
Evil deasm sort of saying, well, I'll say it's tied
with Evil Dead two. I prefer Evil Dead twenty thirteen
because I love that raw, gross, just messed up movie.
But Evil Dead two is probably a better movie in
the sense and it's its own kind of masterpiece as
far as a horror coney. Its own, but like you said,
he resurrected to franchises and created an original one. Let's
see here, let me get all his director's cred. Directed
ten Things, so I've never seen any short. So his
first feature length was Eel Dead and Don't Breathe. To me,
if you compare that to agers first two, Witch and
then Lighthouse, yeah, Betty gets that because I think I
like those both than those two both. Lighthouse is fun
is very fun, which I don't know I'm coming more
around on which because I think when I first watched it, okay,
that's good, but it came one of those festivals where
it's like the most scary thing you'll ever see in
the most frightenings, Like I didn't have that. But as
I got older, and we did an episode on it
last year, the Witch Retrospective, and we talked about lots
of the theories and lots of the meanings and the
ways you could take it. I think Evil Dead, if
I'm ranking them out of the first four, it's Evil Dead, Witch,
Don't Breathe in Lighthouse, and then as you carry on though,
Girl in the Spider Web and Alien Romulus. Then to me,
if you compare that to wolf Men, or you compare
that to nos forought to and then the north Men
if you have Girl in the Spider Web and north
Men that are not horror movies but horror Jason and
kind of the thriller, and there's some fucked up stuff
going on Northmen, Right, Northman to me, Okay, I'm doing
the bad Oscar thing. I've not seen Girl the Spider Web.
I will check that out, and I should check that out.
I'm gonna be safely saying Northman's gonna clear it even
just on a film technical basis, right, and the things
I've heard about Girl the Spider Web, and it's just
kind of being all right, north Men even visually such
a Smorgasborg, right, same thing, all of technical stuff, score, cinematography,
like acting wise, it's all there. And then if you
go to Alien Rondu lis versus nos faratu, Dracula nos foratu,
how many times those things been done? And he made
something different. He made something super dark and gothic that
felt refreshing but still ache in to something in the past.
He did the whole sexual or you know, just crave
addiction thing, but took a little bit of spin on it.
And I don't know. I enjoyed the Rock because I
thought he was. It wasn't as glamorized as bram Chrokers
like the franci wor Coppolo one. I thought it was
gonna be, and there's moments of it, but it's not.
It's a tough one for me because because if I'm
going again in that aspect, I'd have to just put
an Worthmen over Spider Web. I've not seen it. I'm
just assuming maybe I'm wrong. But then Romulus versus nos
Ratu to me. With nos Ratu, he showed how he
could take the classic work that's been done before and
do some new spins on it. And just like even
the nos Forratu character him and the work that Bill
Scarsgard did was incredible. Mustache at all. Alien Ronless I
think is great, But again I've talked about before the
third act surprise and Monster that's fantastic too. I know
some people don't like that, so if Fedy's always just
like with Eel Dead taking a swing. What I hate
about not hate, but what I dislike about ron This
is that third act when we get into like tribute
in Legacy film, tributing like territory when we get to
like stay away from her bitch, and it's like, why
is Anny saying that? You know, like when we get
in those illusions where that doesn't really work for me.
So let's see, Mike, you said, what about what when's
we doing Evil Dead? Nos raw tou? Oh that's super tough.
Those are both ten and ten. Those are both to
me like horror masterpieces. Ah yeah, yeai, I have not
watched nos Ratu again, Mike. I guess I could cop
out and say because I want to watch it this year,
because I want to watch with Emily. I want to
subject her to it a little bit because there's some
stuff I think she might like. But and that's the
movie that I need to be in a certain mood for.
I think. I it's tough too, because you have two
great like performances in there, right with Scars Guard, and
then you have god what's her name? That did Evil Dead?
It's me as something, right, who's not? And then she's
in Don't Brief She's not done enough. That's an actress
where I go like, how did people not see Evil Dead?
And Don't Breathe? And yeah, Jane Levy, how did she
not become like this big star. How did studios in
Marvel or DC you start? Is not scooper up? Like
when I pull her IMDb up, she it says no
for three things. I'MDB always has four things on there.
It's just don't breathe evil. The nds always extraordinary playlist,
like how is she not in a bunch of stuff?
It's kind of crazy. That's that's tough. Supermix is Agger
is definitely more grandiose director, but Fetty is effective making
in crowded, pleasing meat and Betao's spook house style hort. Yeah,
absolutely right, but that the thing is like he is
a grandiose but it's like Aggers might be the best
at the grandiose, you know, And it's it's tough, Like
I almost need were Wolf to come out to be
a deciding factor here. But yeah, evil dead because the
same thing though, that's like eel because the same thing
I talk about the leads nos Rota has other fun
performances in there. What Lily Depth's doing, what Holt's doing.
I think I have to lean to os rot to
and I hate to do this, but I I think
here's the thing I'm gonna go. I did have Fedti.
I think I've talked myself out of it. The reason
I'm gonna do this is because I'm gonna go with
the theme you need to revisit this topic by the
end of twenty twenties, I do, right, And I think
that's why I said I need to see Werewolf and
I need to see what Fedti does. Reason I'm gonna
actually lead to Aggers is because the original ip missed
off see the Witch based off of lots of stories
and urban myths of the past, with uh Dracula off
se a tail that you've seen many other tales done right,
so you have a reference point where you can make
that same argument for Eel Dead and Romulus. I do
think to me, with some of those things that Romulus
got into the sequel, legacy, sequal itis, that that takes
down Fetty a little bit. Even I feed Hey's still great,
you know, Feddi's still fantastic. I remember still that I
didn't love Romis as much as I thought. I thought
I was gonna live it to love it, to like
an evil Dead style. So I think just because of
some of those original movies, and like you mentioned, Mike,
the grandiose style. That's something where if you mute those films,
there are loss of those films are gonna look great, right,
But I think Aggers films are gonna look like art,
like all of them right where there's not a lot
of stuff in Ramis. I feel like it's gonna be
like art, you know. So I think Romliss to me
is kind of the same factor. But I think it's
like Espo says, that's a tough thing though, where I
feel like Aggers, you said, Mike, I don't know about
ori Astro, but Eggers is getting better. I feel like
with each movie to me is White House to me
is just very much experimental film. The Witch something very
mind fucky, very you know, in depth, like urban myth Haunt.
You think about what the time was like, what the
emotions were like in the aspect of those characters in
that setting, going through everything he went through. It's head
trippy in a sense, right. Lighthouse is what it is Northmany.
That's when he starts get into those big, grandiose, wild
epic filmmaker style. And then when No Sparato came out
pure epic filmmaker style, and I feel like where Wolf is,
I won't say, the deciding factor. But it's one of
those things where if where Wolf hits the same way
as nos Faratu, he's starting to build up that little work. Okay,
all that it feels like Nolan, when Nolan's starting to
get that gear, like, okay, he's just now an epic filmmaker. Right,
let's see. Supermind says you could make a case for
The blind Man being a mono original horror movie orror
icon The blind Man? Who am I the blind Man? Oh? Yeah,
you write that one, right, I was thinking of the
Bye Bye Man. Yeah, he's like long legs where it's like,
to me, a one off. I think that sequel hurt it.
But the blind Man is I think he's on a
lower tier tier. And maybe if I do the icons,
I'll try and do like a top ten. I'll still
the four rush more, but I think so the sound
design don't breathe his art. Yeah, absolutely, and then the
blood rains, the blood rein scene and Evil Dead it's
our absolutely. So that's where it's like, I'm not trying
to take Fetty down Fetti. It's it's very tough. It's
just that to me, if this is where, like s
Bob said, we need the twenty twenties. If you were
to ask me between the two next film, what do
you think is going to be the better film? I
feel like it's gonna be agger And that's where I'm
gonna lean that way. I'm gonna put Eggers there. It
wasn't I had Fetti there, but Fetti. I need to
see one more and I want to see a little
more of the original stuff, you know, because what we had,
because even SPIREWB though that's still based off a book, right,
Like I haven't seen that, but it's still like that's
even you know, Dracula's too, but he is three you
and even then the Witch is based off lots of
research at the time, right, I don't even count as
an IP, so all you could really count is nos
fora to which he puts his own big spin on.
But that's one where with Eddie it is Evil Dead,
former IP Girl, spierweb IP, Alien Romis IP and then
Don't Breath, which is original. Right, That's where I need
to And here's the other thing, obviously, Yeah, not knowing
what his next film will be exciting, Yeah, Edie will
be for me a big thing because I don't think
let me just double check this. This will be the
deciding knockout factor. And I'm delaying your saw me. Looking
at IMDb, you might see where I'm going with this,
but I have to decide because I don't think Robert
Aggers has one big smudge on his resume like Fetti does. Now,
Fedni not direct this. It was a Netflix. A lot
of things can happen when you don't because that I
can't do the short. So yeah, he wrote the Witch
Lighthouse Northman, Noos Fratu and that's it. Lots of things
happen when you look at Fetti Alvarez, it's not and
it's just story buy as well, right, So it's just
story by He didn't write the screenplay. It could sometimes
be the ide the treatment Boom hit the nail on
the head as Bubbs Texas Chainsaw Masker. I do not
put that all on Fetti because he's linked that as
a story by credit. That movie is real bad. Me
and Terry you can check on the feed somewhere we
did review it. That's a really tough one, right, and
that's where for me he did that. And then Robins,
which is very very good. Mike says, come on, you know,
I know in a sense where you can say, how
like strict that from the record, But you know, if
I was in like an actual debate, like remember that
show back in the day movie Fights, if I was
defending Robert Aggers against you know, Fetty that and that's
where too, like he says, buy that logic one is
way more crap too. Yes, but I did say that
was influential also from the box office franchise. I like
standpoint right where it is Saw in City is conjuring,
like creative, these money machines that like build a foundation
for new horror fans coming in right Where if that
script or that movie for Chainsaw did that and even
wasn't the Grays created a bunch more franchise or a
bunch more Chainsaws based off that one, I'd understand. But
Wan has you know, he has some buffers there, right,
So I'm saying we're splitting hairs and we're gonna go
Fetty versus Rober Eggers. That does to me. If I
were saying that in court, people would look around and
go guilty, you know, So I do think that to me,
it is a race between these two. I'm gonna give
her to Aggers, right, now based on just the original
IP versus you know IP or just original versus IP,
and I just think the last if it's Spider Web
and Romulus versus Northman and not as fatu. I think
it's the same thing that Aggers is getting better. You
can see him transforming into that all time great filmmakers
where the other people are maybe stumbling. Like we said, Ari,
we'll have to see with Fetti. You know, I didn't
hear much about that call show, so we'll see. But
we're going over time. I will quickly let me see
if I can. I'll Charlie, I'll see if I can
quickly answer your question here and know not, we'll do
it the next episode because we are a little bit over.
But let me read it out. But I think I
should be able to the only question I have for
this episode. Kind of a continuation from last week. Two
weeks ago, Charlie asked about what franchise he should watch
first time horror movies, et cetera. I watched Diaman elm
Street Friday thirteenth night. Elm Street was amazing. I loved
every moment. That's great. I love that you enjoyed it.
Also cool seeing John Jeps young and could be recognize him. Yeah,
it's kind of a wild thing that you know. Obviously,
lots of stars Jamie Lee, Kevin Bainan come from there,
but I think Johnny Depp was the biggest star to
come from a horror movie. I feel like to start
off right, you know if and Charlie if you don't know.
He got that because Wes Craign was having a tough
time deciding who to cast, and he asked his daughter,
He said, Hey, who do you think is the cutest
one of these boys? And she picked Johnny Depp, So
there you go, because he wanted to have that appeal, right.
So I found Friday thirteenth very planned and just straight
up boring for most of the time. Not a single
interesting character for me except Jason, who wasn't even in
it for maybe zero point five seconds. I don't know
if that was even for him for sure. That's the
only intriguing thing for me. My question is what would
the first series you would watch between Halloween, Nightmare and
Fria A thirteenth. I don't really have a preference yet.
All the movies were on the same level except for
Friday thirteenth, but maybe they have great sequels. I have
no idea. Let me know your thoughts. Have a couple
more Halloween questions for future episodes of October. Yeah, great
because I saw one, and definitely we're gonna be doing
a Halloween episode for GV. Obviously people will stay I'm
biased because it's my favorite time of shining. But I
think I don't think it's a hot take nightmare. I said.
We last episode's all just reiterate, reiterate that A Bit
has the better sequels out of the bunch. Friday thirteenth
is a mix. As I said before, that is better
to watch with people and friends, or just watch when
you are like I don't know, you're drawing, or you
got some taxes that do or you're doing other stuff.
Because there is some films at our plant, especially the
first Friday thirteenth. When I saw on the big screen,
I was like, you know what, this isn't this isn't
that great. I understand the time of when it came
out and why it was important it did what it did,
but watching in this context, like you know what, doesn't
really hold up. We're Halloween to me still holds up.
Frive thirteenth still holds up or sorry, Nightmare still holds up.
So and that's where I said Halloween has some right spots.
You know, I like four a lot, some of the
you know, twenty eighteen has some good stuff. There's big
defenders for the rob zombie ones. But I could unequivalently
say that like Freddy has uh Dream Warriors which is
the third one, and the New Nightmare, which are great
at least a nine out of ten in my opinion.
So that's why I would say, definitely go that way
out s pub says, I love text Chainsaw two and
I first watched Nights on theaters and it was awful experience.
Yeah we all have those, right because all I did
was watch Friday at home. But I'll be fun, it
was awful. The speakers were all also like worst experience
in my life. They turned the speakers like to the
max and that movie was the loudest movie of my life.
I'm getting PTSD right now. Friday Day is definitely the
week is even over for the overall franchise. And yeah,
I think most people feel that way. I think it's
like I said, I think that almost has to be
a communal thing where you watched with people I've been
to theaters it was a good time, but at home,
you know, it's tough. But yes, and that's saying Friday
has the best remake, though absolutely you could argue that
as the best one out of the franchise, which you
usually can't write. So I would say, Charlie, especially if
you loved Friday the third or sorry, I keep fucking
that up, if you loved Nightmare on Elm Street, continue
on even some of the ones, like to Another, prepare yourself.
Very controversial mixed movie. I love two, especially now you
know I suppose says the subtext. It's not so subtext,
but like, I love that allegory and what it goes for,
and I like especially I get why people maybe didn't
like at the time because it's like this is all
we got for Nightmare two. But now that we have
like seven or eight of them, it's a very interesting movie.
H four is like a good double bill with three, five,
five and Freddy's Dead not not not the greatest, but
also too and the remake not. But I could argue
the same thing for Friday and thirteenth. Freddy versus Jason
an absolute fucking ball good time for a movie. So
That's why I'd say Charlie and even some of the
other lesser Nightmares except for Freddy's Dead buckle up. Freddy's
Dead fucking sucks. In my opinion, I'm sorry, really not good.
Even the producers when they've you know, been doing the
documentary said, yeah, you know what, we kind of stumbled
on that one. There's still interesting ideas and kills in
these other ones. And it does get more comedic and
kind of crazy. Yes, super Freddy s bubs, but it
does get kind of tongue in cheek in a way
that you're in on it not that so bad where
phrase did I think did go too far? And they've
even said if I recalled that other they went too
far and it wasn't too funny, And then yeah, you
got new nightmare. So I'd say nightmare stick with that
a lot more gems than that. So yeah, there you go,
win a little longer today. So I'll be back on Wednesday.
If you have any questions, think about them. If not,
we'll figure something out. I promise when you hear from
me next and I'll not be boring