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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back to Travis told

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you on a Monday, October twenty fifth, almost a twenty

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second for some odd reason, I'm your host Tras now,

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and yes I am back a little bit of a

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week off. I apologize I didn't say the week before.

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I think I told the patrons, but I don't know

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if I told anybody else. I apologize. Last week I

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was offered my day job, so there just wasn't time

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for There's just certain times I can schedule in when

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I know I'm home. Last week I was off hanging

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out with the twins and the old the Emily, hanging

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out with the Ellie to all the sports they go

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to school, whatnot, but just doing stuff. We had a

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hookie day where we went to our local kind of

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local punkin Patch and Wednesday we let the kids off

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school and whatnot. So that was a fun day. So

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that's why I just could not plan for it. But

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luckily there wasn't like an abundance the news there still isn't.

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It's it's getting oddly quiet. I guess we did just

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have New York comic cons, so maybe that's why some

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steduws dropped some stuff and felt like, oh, that's good enough,

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but let me just let everyone know I'm here doing

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my thing. But yeah, so I'm back whatever doing here.

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We got fun day and Wednesday foretra has told you, Yeah,

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I don't. We'll see what happens. I'll probably have to

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start thinking about evergreen topic in case Wednesday sucks for

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the amount of news and everything, because really just got

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the box Office and then I got Mike's question that

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he put in last week. They said I wanted to

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make a topic. I had a couple of things from

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Charlie as well, So yeah, I'll try to think of

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something ever green topic in case Wednesday. Do have a

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list somewhere, but I like try and pick something timely

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or maybe something you know that I haven't talked about

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who knows. But that's a warning for anyone that's listening.

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If you have anything that you think could be longer

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for you want me to discuss and get it ready

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because Wednesday I might need it. You know. I would

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love to do a Q and a episode of the future.

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I'm still playing with the like I think it's like

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I said before, I'm gonna do this like the two

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times and then at this time slot until the end

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of the year, and then I'm gonna kind of see.

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I'm not sure if I'll ever change a time slot,

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and not sure if I ever go from recording and

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then post it live and after the fact, so I

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don't know. It kind of all depends a lot of

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things with job life, et cetera. Especially next year Emily

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will eventually go back to work because her uh matt

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leeve will be over. So as right now until December,

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pretty much mid December, I'll be doing this obviously the

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Christmas and everything. That's a crap shoot, but and there'll

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be some changes here and there with movies and everything.

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But yeah, I hope everyone is doing well. Offside, did

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do some stuff last week. I did gen VA Taylor,

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which we got the finale this week, so look up

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for that. That should be lots of fun. And then

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for the patrons and the people that watched live on

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that day, we did do GV I think it's six

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seven six right. It was a live cast with myself,

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We had a fire pick going on, we had the

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Halloween decorations behind us. We had one topic planned and

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we didn't even get to because it's literally two and

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a half hours of tangents. And if people wonder what

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the old GV used to be like that, like it

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was like that but worse because there were sometimes five

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to six of us in person. It just goes off, right,

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feel like there's it keeps us narrowed in, but I

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think for those episodes it's That's what we kind of

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want is a fun, laid back five where we kind

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of go anywhere, right because we cover news all the time,

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and like we said, Maddie is a champions waiting for

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that Bond draft. I will I will get it to you. Man.

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If they some reason cast Bond before we do the

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drafts and I'm wrong, then we'll make it up to

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you one way or another. But yeah, lots of good

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stuff happening in Geek. First gout the finale this week.

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We got for gen v Off, so we got cyquests

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coming up. We have some retros come out for the patrons.

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We got Bike Ride, which is a Patreon pick, and

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we got The Running Man, so it's gonna be tons

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of fun. We got Bredon, but we got after nine

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this Friday, six pm PST. Just gonna be a regular

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talk one. Usually for Halloween we do the watch along ones,

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but because we did uh Netflix and fail the patron

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like all the people that donate on GVD unlocked the

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ice cube? What the world the world's that one? And

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then we did one not too long camera on the

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other one. Oh it was the Val Kilmore one right,

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because we did that kind of a tribute stream when

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he passed away. We did a lot of watch along

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so I think what I'm gonna do is gonna kick.

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to wait. We could do that for Halloween. If you

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want to watch it, go ahead. But I still think

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in January we will try to watch those together because

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those are some you know, not there's some different movies,

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but they're fun to watch with everybody. So that's just

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why we've done lots of watch alongs and haven't done

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too much, just like catching up and usually Halloween we

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have some fun times, some about scary movies and moments

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and we can talk about that scare list. I know

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we'll do the on geet first news coming up too,

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but uh yeah, so lots of fun stuff in the

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geek for sphere. Like I said that episode of Us

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in Studio, if you're not Patreon, you can't get there

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right now. If not, ill realase at some point in

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the future. We try not have too much on the feeds,

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but on Patreon it's wild. While West you're getting multiple

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episodes a day tons like, I think there's another week

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where you're getting more than the whole week amount of episodes.

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We just did the gimmick that was again talk about tangents,

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lots of fun with myself, David and s Bubbs. And

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then finally before we get the main topic here after

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nine this Friday Extra Life couple. I was gonna say,

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a couple of Fridays from now call Fridays plus a Day.

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November eighth, twenty four hour stream. Very fun. It's starting

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to get rolling right now, like everything's kind of getting cemented.

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it's gonna be, especially with certain things that we got

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going on. I think it's gonna be a bit more,

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a bit more bigger than it's been a little years ago.

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things that we can do now that maybe we couldn't

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in the past. So I'm looking very forward to that,

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and especially the gallet that is that's my bread and butter.

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Very excited. I shared David and Spob some stuff that

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we got planned going on. And if you don't know

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that's happening, that's our esports gaming league where it's gonna

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be a tournament. We're doing like a whole season of

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geek first into one night and it's round five rounds.

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be a very good time. Oh man, if you could

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see what I'm seeing right now half naked Emily, My goodness,

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she's telling me to shush up. But you know, this

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is why it's good working from home. But extra life

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will be happening in a couple of weeks from now,

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the next few weeks you'll get the announcements, you'll get

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the events, you get the stretch goals, and then you'll

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get all the people, the trivia people who are playing.

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I always leave that till last week because lots of

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people usually say yes. But things can change within three

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to four weeks. So yeah, so yeah, it's gonna be

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a very good time. And yeah, donate if you can

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buy the shirts. If you can, everything's tax deductible for

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well sorry, I don't know what the shirt's but for

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if you don'nate the Extra Life, that's tax deductible, and

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we really appreciate it. If we can get closed to

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our goal or pass. I haven't done the exact math,

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least for sure, if we hit the goal of to

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twenty five hundred Canadian we will have passed twenty thousand

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for Extra Life in the ninety years we're doing. That's

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very good. But yeah, it's gonna be very fun time

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as usual we will do. There will be a whole

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preview episode to get down to it. Yeah, lots good stuff.

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So let's get into this. Oh okay, so, so Mike

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asked this question a couple week or just last week. There,

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let me just do I just have to answer that thing.

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Where is that? There? We go, Okay, what do we

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got here in the comments here, let's see, just got

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the Extra Life. I'm wearing it right now. Hell yeah,

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both you what did you get? David got the F

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four one. Trying to think what you would get if

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it's just the one. I think, like i'd got to

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say Jurassic World. I could be I will say I

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think that one's the best one. We'll talk about it.

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I'll save it for Extra Life. But like when we

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do our previewcast. But Taylor had a tough time with

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both of the other shirts. One. I think it's biased.

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He loves Drastic Parks, so just sinked in his mind.

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really like three dimensional, it's very straight. And then Fantastic four.

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one that I exactly wanted, but Taylor wanted to do

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that one, and he's the designer, so I went with that,

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and I understood his reasoning why also because the thing

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you got the Drastic one. Yeah that is h that

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to me is a favorite. It looks good. That's why

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three different things going on, but the Jurassic Park one

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just fits a lot better. But I bought them all

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like a savage. I got the Drastic Superman and f C. Yeah,

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go do those right now. But yeah, let's get into this.

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My guest is question and kias, and that's a great

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thing because sometimes I can answer them quickly. But when

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he asked us, I's like, you know what, I don't

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the tell of the episode. But let's see, who are

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your mount rushmore of twenty first century horror directors define

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horror directors however you want, but they must have started

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their crews in the two thousands, so that's a great question.

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I might kind of do a spin off of this

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mic and do like a cause at first, when I

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was reading this, I thought you were asking the horror icons.

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I might do that too close to Halloween. That might

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be an evergreen topic. I don't know if i'll do

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that on Wednesday because that's kind of too similar topics

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back to back, so I try to like vary it up.

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because that because I think that's directors. We're not lacking

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any great horror directors icons. I think we're starting to

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pick back up, and I think people are realizing that,

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but just even stuff like clown in the core field,

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other things that I feel like people are trying to emphasize,

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you know that, or we're trying to make kirklans Hunter

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that you know one day. But no, So that's what

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I might do. But for directors, this was a very

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interesting question because I feel, oh, no, there we go.

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I could feel the neck nan the snap and it

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did crack, not snap, and it snaps on neck. Not good. Uh.

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For the directors, I feel like we talked about this,

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whether discorder, I think after yeah, I think after night.

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were talking about horror directors, and I feel the seventies

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and eighties had like you had Craven, you had John Carpenter,

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you had Guy. Why am I not? I'm blanking on

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a couple others now because I said Craven Carpenter, Why

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am I? Man? I just watched the fucking topic right away?

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Eighties horror directors. There's gonna be totaloopert right, uh directors.

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on like a fucking lunatic, but I do. Let's see here, Okay,

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had I not? Yeah, there's a couple here because I'm

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on the spider. So yeah, Tober probably the Cronenberg, I

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Clive Barker, Yeah, that's another one I put in there too.

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But for at least in the generation of that decade,

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you had those go to even the first three I named, right,

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multiple things going on. Carpenter and Craven alone, and then

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it kind of felt like in the nineties and early

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two thousands that kind of win away. And I'm not

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saying the horror dropped. I think there's a bit of

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it which I'll talk about Mount Rushmore, and that'd be

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why I'm you know, looking at this, because let's actually

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take a look, because this is the whole episode than

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the box office breakdown, which will be you know, not

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super long. But like if I go horror directors like

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Wes Craven's still there, Sam Raimi. Still I think this

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is what we talked about on After Nine, where yeah,

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Clive Barker, like a lot of the people that were

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in the eighties train it's for over the nineties, right,

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And that's what you hope to happen, right. You hope

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to have like same thing the directors today that they

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will carry on to multiple decades. You don't want they

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direct the one and then they go on a bad

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path and they direct TV shows and that's it, right.

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Peter Jackson, I know why people might put them there,

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but I agree with it. Says his early work. I

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wouldn't put him as like a horror director. He's director

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that kind of dabbles in it, but not many in

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the nineties, right, And that's where it was, where it

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was kind of a leftover from the eighties or just

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knowing the nineties really carved out a new path and

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exactly what I was just talking about, that's the same

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vibe I have. I feel like says I feel like

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nineties had a lot of carryovers or one hit wonders,

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the one hit wonders for sure, where if you look booms,

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so happened, then what happened to them? Like I said,

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directs a few more movies that are eh, goes to

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TV shows and then that's kind of it, or they

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become assistant director or just director, which is nothing wrong, right,

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Like you're still in a business of making movies. But

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I'm sure most people go, hey, love to have Wes

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Craven's career where fucking multiple franchises, multiple goat movies, you know,

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Like that's that's the goal, that's the dream, right But

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even like I look at it right now right now

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on my TV I just got the Sony Holme screen,

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like I know what you did last summer? Like when

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that who I don't even know who directed that? I

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know because I'm pretty sure whether Williamson that still wrote

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it or no. Well let's see here, this is gonna

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give me the new one, Okay, good to give me

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the old one. Like Jim GILLIPSI, I've heard this name.

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Uh what did he do joy Ride? Oh man, we've

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probably talked about this two thousand and five's Venom that

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we watched with after nine he did that. But that's

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where it's like, I do not think that's a great movie.

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I rewatched that in preparation for the new one, which

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also was not a great movie. But at the time,

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big hit, right, and you would think more would come

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from that. Didn't even do the sequel right, So that's

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where it was. And then the two thousands were starting

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to rev up and get those more people right. And

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that's where I'm gonna go with the first and all

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of these choices for my own restaurant, because I have

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two solidified. I think one is if he's not this

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first one is not solified on anybody's list. I kind

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of don't trust them. I really don't, cause my list

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is not just a personal favorites. Even though I like

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this first pick a lot, the second pick is pure

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personal favorite. I can make an argument for you know,

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why X, Y and Z that they still belong on

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the list. I don't think there's a personal favorite like

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a you know, oh they did one horror movie and

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that's it. Right. There's stuff like if I were to

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have like I think we talked about honorable mentions here

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because people throughout some other one like god, what's I

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always fuck up her name? Let's see here, I know

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it's Caroline Fugeeter, Corley Farget. I think that's how I said.

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That's somewhere. It's like, hey, they have two great films

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on their notches, but still need a little bit more.

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If I were to put her in my round rushmore,

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that would be like a very biased pic that I

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couldn't really back up. She's not right now, even though

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Substance is one of my favorite you know, body horror

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horror movies the last couple decades, Like that was my

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favorite movie that year. Right, So even the second pick

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that is a personal favorite, I could make a big

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case of why they're here. This first one, to me

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is should be on all of them, and that's where

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I am. I think I have three solidified. The fourth

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one is very tough for me. I think I do

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have a pick, but the fourth one could I could

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argue a bunch of different slots, right, So the first

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one I'm going with, I think most people gonna affect.

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This is obvious what I was just talking about with

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the early two thousands. To me, if you're making a

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list and I don't see this guy on here for

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your mount rushmore, James Won, James one has to be here.

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He's one of those that is spanning now multiple decades

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because what Saw came out in five? Right, let me

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get his IMDb so we can just look up everything.

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Oh my god, turn off capslocks. It's annoying because at

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work when I is my computer, everything's supposed to be

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in not everything, but a lot of stuff is in

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cap blocks just too obviously if I'm dealing with hospital

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gear and stuff, they want to avoid like any confusion

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going on. So James One, Yeah, Saw came out in

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two thousand and four. This guy has had massive hits

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in four in the tens and then I guess not

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in the twenties yet. Right where was Malignant there? And

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you know some gonna be like massive hit like obviously

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stick with me now. Maligna was twenty twenty one, and

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obviously he went off to Yo do Aukaman, so that

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changed a little bit. Hopefully we get back to horr

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because what's he doing. The Call of Cthulhu follows Francis thursdaysfisciate.

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It's a cult warship the ancient monster Cthulhu. Isn't that

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big water monster? Right? Yeah? HP Lovecraft, Hell yeah, that's perfect,

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especially after Ackaman. Well what a perfect like kind of

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blend from awnestly malignant, from talking about for the twenty

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twenties now for all the decades. I'd say is a

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very controversial movie. I think the horror community really appreciates it,

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even though they don't love they really appreciate it. I

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think in the wider community it's probably a lot more

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mixed because I feel there is some stuff where it's

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definitely on purpose kind of b rate. There's some stuff

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that is cheesy in it for me in a good way.

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But I do understand where people are like, oh, I'm malignant,

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but look at put that aside. For me, that's an

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absolute when I imagine it's called Kathulhu is gonna be

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really good. But he put that aside. Saw And here's

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the thing with my list. It's to do with their work,

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but also what they've inspired, right, Saw not only inspired

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a franchise that's still going that's about to get rebooting

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everything like that. Oh, Cuthulhu isn't really a water monster?

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Definitely squid looking monster? Is he not a water monster?

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Cause I'm not saying you're wrong, s Bobs. When I

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put up like a screen share all these images, my dudes,

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buy water over here. Let's take a look at him here.

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That's not all the images, but it's a lot of them, right, Like,

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let's get like, look, water coming out of water? Okay,

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no water, that's water coming out of water. This book

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has Okay, he has a lot of water right there,

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So this is what I mean, like obviously tons of

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water here, s Bobs. I don't know what's going on,

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but I have not read the story or anything like that.

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So that's where maybe he just spawns from water or

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it's not in the water, but any water like sequences. Look,

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he's taking out a boat, any water like sequences. I

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think once that kind of nailed right because he has

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the Auckaman stuff. So either way, I think that's still

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a massive plus going on. But Saw the franchise ten

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films that he produced or ep'd. At least the first

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three he had a lot to go on with. You

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know he I think he still wrote all three. Let

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me confirm that, I think he still roll three even

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though it doesn't matter, I'll confirm. But doesn't he matter?

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And this guy, like you think about the career that

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he has, the like the the blueprint for I think,

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like what any kind of horror director would want, like

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include myself. Like, yeah, so let's see he wrote Saw,

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Saw Reburve and Saw three a story. Okays, he didn't

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anything do to that's interesting and the video gave me

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to the treatment. So he's still been around. But they

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made the Saw short film. He and Lee one l

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LEEO one El is another guy. You could argue, I

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don't have him to even him the mention on all mensions.

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I don't think I did. He would be on honorable mentions.

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I don't think he's done enough great stuff yet. Obviously

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Upgrade has some like horror slight isms, but it's definitely

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not there. It's more sci fi. Invisible Man, Great Wolfman

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I really liked. I know that's more contentious with the community,

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but I think he needs a bit more just solo

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ones under his belt, and that's what James want. Do

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we look at them? The only one that I feel

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like is miss and the horror ones to me has

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been because let's get very another writer cred right there,

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Dead Silence, I remember Dead Silence and Death Sendence. I

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got to rewatch that one again because let's say Revenge

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one with Kevin Bacon, right, yeah, I remember enjoying that one,

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but Dead sign Something is the only one that didn't

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really hit on the horror level. I don't love the

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Insidious franchise. But my point was, so Saw ten films

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they're rebooting it says he's heavily involved. Great, you know

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you got that going on. Also for inspiration, there was

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ar films before, like even like the Siberian film like

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I'm sure I think that came out before Salt. Like.

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There's obviously, especially in the fore market, lots of really

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messed up films. But I would say in the North

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American mainstream, he did create the torture polorn face, he

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created the how can You make And it's funny because

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not he just that film, so he's obviously directed that,

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but it's funny because Saw One, the one he directed

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is the least amount of that, right, Like you watch

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something where it's the guy that has to get through

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the barb wire in context or like in the idea

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of that, you think, man, a guy having to push

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his way through barbed wire. That's brutal. That's gonna be

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really gross. It's very quickly cut and you don't see

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much of it, you know, same thing with the fire guy.

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You don't see much of it. The saw and the leg.

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You see that saw ripped through skin a couple times,

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and that's about it. The first movie is the least

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amount of like kind of torture porn esque, right, But

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it created a genre of that trying to be that.

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It's very much like the Psycho Hitchcock thing, right of

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creates horror. You don't even see that much of it,

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and then people take it and get bigger and bigger

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with it. But that is whether you like that franchise

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or not. To me, it's that created that kind of

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craze going around with hostile and other stuff, and even

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the things like the Black Christmas remake where it's there's

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stuff that was maybe not even intentionally even I'd say

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Friday the Thirteenth with the remake, like even that stuff

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got more gorrier because like, well, you gotta be sawd

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that's the thing you have to And that franchise went

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to what about seven, It started to burnout six, but

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still about seven years in a row where they released

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those things annually and people will go out and they'd

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be profitable, will hit and then obviously you had a

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couple months later on Crazy, very very like just fantastic

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as far as creating a franchise, right, does a couple

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other things? Does Insidious boom? Another fucking franchise out the

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gate at the gate, but just like off as next

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time doing a new horror property. I guess Dead Science

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did happen. That didn't really hit because I was very

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excited for that movie, but yeah, I just didn't didn't.

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I love creepy Puppets, but just was missing something I'd

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like to watch again though, because it's still good. And

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the other thing is they created was that whole Hello

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Zip and the big twist right, like they kind of

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almost revitalize Shanalan twists and away where people want the

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00:22:13,960 --> 00:22:15,920
to do something like a shock at the end, and

471
00:22:16,039 --> 00:22:20,519
you know, people could always level up to that Insidious.

472
00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:23,000
I like the insidious movies. They were never my favorites.

473
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,720
But again another big franchise he directed one and two

474
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,400
and that spin off for that and spin off, so

475
00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:32,519
again blueprints right there, and then the biggest one for me,

476
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,200
like even more so than Sawka Saw is my favorite, Conjuring.

477
00:22:36,279 --> 00:22:40,920
Conjuring saw I love and for me my personal top

478
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:44,440
ten horror movies. I would put Sauce there. If it's

479
00:22:44,559 --> 00:22:48,000
of all time, probably not. If it's influential, I can

480
00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:49,880
make a list, But if you're just about best, probably not.

481
00:22:50,400 --> 00:22:52,400
I can make a case for Conjuring being in the

482
00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,599
best top ten horror movies. I know some people might think,

483
00:22:55,680 --> 00:22:57,880
like I think some people kind of think it's overrated,

484
00:22:57,960 --> 00:23:00,039
or it's like, oh, that's for very just like that,

485
00:23:00,039 --> 00:23:03,839
that's for it's very hipster like, that's for mainstream horror audiences.

486
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,960
Like true horror audience. People would not put Conjuring No no, no.

487
00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:12,079
I put Conjuring up there, shots wise, score wise, acting wise,

488
00:23:12,240 --> 00:23:15,279
the scares, the lore, the pacing of it. To me,

489
00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,359
watch Conjuring four, which is kind of trying to go

490
00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,000
for affect similar vibes as Conjuring one, and you can

491
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:23,799
see the difference of when James One is not behind

492
00:23:23,839 --> 00:23:25,920
the camera, you know, like that's to me where James

493
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:28,640
want to me. You can always feel when he is

494
00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:33,720
gone from his conception. The other Insidious is after one

495
00:23:33,759 --> 00:23:36,039
and two. The other conjurings after one and two. Like,

496
00:23:36,079 --> 00:23:39,519
I don't even love Conjuring too, but you can feel

497
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,799
James one there. You can feel trying to do something different,

498
00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:44,279
and you can feel his vibe and his power as director.

499
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,359
You can't like the other ones. It's just missing. It's gone, right,

500
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:51,480
super Mike, who's created these topics as I actually really

501
00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:54,240
liked that science when I saw it. I want to

502
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:55,759
watch it again. I think I've only saw it twice.

503
00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:58,119
I remember the first time being very excited because I

504
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:00,720
love creepy puppets. It looks like slap this guy did

505
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:03,359
saw and I remember being underwhelmed. But I think the

506
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,279
next time I watched it I liked it more. So

507
00:24:05,279 --> 00:24:07,720
I should probably do a third viewing, because you know,

508
00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,079
it's fun time enough, Like I remember at least being

509
00:24:12,079 --> 00:24:14,279
like a six out of ten. It's probably more now

510
00:24:14,279 --> 00:24:16,240
that I'm older. See, I should give that a watch soon.

511
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,880
But you know, Conjuring obviously creates this over billion dollar franchise,

512
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,000
This last one's killing it. And again a lot of

513
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,559
these ones he just eped or produced, or there might

514
00:24:25,599 --> 00:24:28,039
be a story by credit that said, so really just

515
00:24:28,079 --> 00:24:32,400
the one and two, But it's because his like saw

516
00:24:32,599 --> 00:24:36,119
insidious and conjuring. They have that same tie that because

517
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,000
the original is so good and unique and has a

518
00:24:38,039 --> 00:24:40,839
different style, you can build off that sound like a

519
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,880
whole world off it, because obviously they were making these

520
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,640
jokes when Aucaman hit a billion, peop are comparing them

521
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,440
James Cameron because he did Fury seven, and then that

522
00:24:49,599 --> 00:24:51,319
Cameron's like, oh tell me when he has three of

523
00:24:51,319 --> 00:24:53,720
them are telling when the original franchy, which is absolutely right,

524
00:24:53,759 --> 00:24:57,519
Like Cameron has the secret mainstream sauce to get that money,

525
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,160
but you'd have to think about it. And and that's

526
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:01,759
where we're doing this cast now. I don't think there's

527
00:25:01,799 --> 00:25:06,200
anyone that's not even horror. Is there anybody that has

528
00:25:06,319 --> 00:25:08,640
directed let's just even say one one thing and that

529
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:12,319
three franchises. To me, it's like when I talk about

530
00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:15,519
Bill Scar's Guard right, walk with me for a second.

531
00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:21,480
Christopher Waltz has uh inglorious Bastards and then he has

532
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:26,680
oh god, why am I forgetting one. Maybe it's just

533
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,000
that I thought there was another one. Maybe it's I

534
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,839
guess you could kind of say, blow Phil with Specter.

535
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,759
But there's something else I'm forgetting, but our Hobveyard Bardam

536
00:25:35,759 --> 00:25:39,440
with Skyfall and no time and no control. Man. I've

537
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,279
always said, like it's hard for someone to get that

538
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:46,319
trifecta of another great villain, right, because there's there's can

539
00:25:46,359 --> 00:25:50,000
be similarities or scars Guard to me with john Wick

540
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:55,000
four it and then when Nosvaratu are three very great

541
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:58,839
to good call or not just villains right, And that's

542
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:00,720
where for me I'd have to think of I feel

543
00:26:00,759 --> 00:26:03,119
like I can think of people that I've created two

544
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,119
at least but three separate franchises that went on to

545
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,480
be super successful. I don't know if I can think

546
00:26:09,519 --> 00:26:12,240
of that because OSSI, yeah, Cameron would Terminator, but you

547
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:14,559
could argue the other ones weren't that successful. But still,

548
00:26:14,839 --> 00:26:18,200
but that's one like Ridley, like I'd have to that'd

549
00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,119
be another deep dive for franchise. But I would have

550
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,960
to say that James Wand has that record right, I'm

551
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,359
saying of our original ip because yeah, those are all original.

552
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:30,960
I don't think they're based on any short story, or

553
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,319
at least I'm not saying something like a Marvel or

554
00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,000
Star Wars, right, So that's another thing he holds. So

555
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:40,240
James Wand has to be on there. Easy my other

556
00:26:40,279 --> 00:26:42,480
one personal number two. But like I said, I could

557
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:46,880
make the case Mike Flanagan, Mike Flanagan, you know, yeah, Kirkland.

558
00:26:46,880 --> 00:26:48,240
So oh, I bet he's on there. He's trying to

559
00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:50,359
spoil my list. He's definitely on there, you know, I says,

560
00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:52,559
my boy, he is my boy, that guy. I'll watch

561
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,519
anything he does, except for Oculus, which I still need

562
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:57,240
to watch. Maybe I'll try and cross that off because

563
00:26:57,279 --> 00:27:00,720
I'm uh literally at when I started doing this podcast

564
00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,519
getting it ready, I was watching Midnight Masks because I

565
00:27:02,599 --> 00:27:05,039
wasn't gonna just watch it. Not that long ago Tarror's

566
00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:06,759
talk about. We talk a bunch about it on the

567
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:09,400
in person cast. But I think for this guy is

568
00:27:09,519 --> 00:27:11,839
one the talent is there. He's made some of the

569
00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:16,319
best scariest stuff. He almost in the way where like

570
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,640
Austin's happened in the original Strangers and happens in a

571
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,559
lot of other horror movies. But I remember with uh,

572
00:27:21,599 --> 00:27:25,960
with the Haunting of Hillhouse, the craze of pausing the

573
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,079
screen because the idea is the ghosts are always around,

574
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,880
and there's threads, there's like you know, uh, like pages

575
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,480
you can click that give you the slide show and

576
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:37,200
everything like that. Of all the ghosts you didn't see

577
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,160
in midnight masks and that's or sorry and uh, I'm

578
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:44,000
getting chills right now in a hillhouse because sometimes they

579
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,480
were there you didn't see them. Then yeah they'd pop

580
00:27:45,519 --> 00:27:48,160
out do some scary and sometimes they weren't. They're just chilling.

581
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,279
And that's the thing where when you would see it,

582
00:27:50,279 --> 00:27:52,599
it'd be like a regular scene of people talking there's

583
00:27:52,599 --> 00:27:55,039
a ghost in there, like is gonna happen here? What's

584
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,480
gonna go on? So it would have you on edge

585
00:27:57,519 --> 00:28:00,920
all the time. I think the best thing that he's done, right,

586
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:04,720
I think one is if he's the franchise maker. I

587
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:07,200
think flann again is probably the best because I have

588
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:12,319
to there we go. Nothing was wrong. If you were listening,

589
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,160
I'm sorry. You probably do that thing where you check

590
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:16,440
your phone was going on, unplugged my mic this cord.

591
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:18,480
I gotta get a nuance awful. It's the one the

592
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:21,400
boys always meme on me for Oh let me get

593
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:26,039
a drinkle water here, because I'll have to edit this.

594
00:28:27,079 --> 00:28:30,000
I did know s Bubbs that Oculus was a WWE films.

595
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,839
I did know. I've told that to them many times.

596
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:33,799
It was early on in Geek first we talked about that.

597
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,039
But so I need to cross that off because I

598
00:28:36,039 --> 00:28:39,759
think Karen Gillen's in it too. I think he is

599
00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:42,720
the best at and it's it's hard with him right

600
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,680
because Mike said a director of of any sort right

601
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:50,880
for me, because I was gonna say, he's the best

602
00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:57,720
at creating in depth, very emotional driven character latching on stories.

603
00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:03,279
They all the characters from Illhouse, Blind Manner, Midnight, Mass,

604
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:08,039
Full Health, Usher, you like, they're very unique and you

605
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:09,880
can just think about you could see an image of

606
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:12,119
that character and go, oh, I know exactly how they act.

607
00:29:12,119 --> 00:29:16,160
They're very defined. He's great. He's a master at the

608
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,160
character stuff. That's why Doctor Sleep is so good. It

609
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,279
is a character study on Danny, and that's why to me,

610
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:23,920
I get why some people. I haven't met too many

611
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:25,519
people that don't like it, but I can get why

612
00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:27,839
that didn't perform the way it did the box office

613
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:29,880
because it's not a rewatchable movie. If you're looking for

614
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:32,759
the scares of like the Shining, which even the Shining,

615
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:35,319
the scares are delayed along. I think people think of

616
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:38,279
the Door and the naked Lady and all the ghosts

617
00:29:38,319 --> 00:29:40,319
and the last third act and they don't even rewatch

618
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:41,680
Shine and just think of that as all it's a

619
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:44,119
scare fest and it's really not check out. Obviously. We

620
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:47,480
have our Halloweeny retro on Patreon. It is that is

621
00:29:47,519 --> 00:29:50,839
a character driven piece in a different way. But Doctor

622
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,400
Sleepy does that. The Midnight Clubs the only one where

623
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:55,680
it is. But I don't think they I think that

624
00:29:55,799 --> 00:29:57,720
is his weakest. They didn't fully get there. But the

625
00:29:57,759 --> 00:30:01,000
other stuff is fantastic, even Life of Chuck, which also

626
00:30:01,079 --> 00:30:03,640
is not horror, but that has if people have seen it.

627
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,400
The first act, Man, I'm gonna do some skins, has

628
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,440
something that happens that is scary. They're scary stuff throughout

629
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,759
it actually, but the first act has something where when

630
00:30:11,759 --> 00:30:15,960
you don't know the twist, it's fucking creepy. It is you.

631
00:30:16,039 --> 00:30:17,720
It is sitting on the edge of seat, like what

632
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,240
is about to happen? Now? I think I talked about

633
00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:22,000
it if I did a reviewer on Trestle or something

634
00:30:22,039 --> 00:30:26,240
like that, like it happens like, man, okay, we've something's changed.

635
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:31,079
So for me, that's where the character stuff. And obviously

636
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:33,480
he gets memed about a little bit, but you know,

637
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:36,599
it's a director's style and all these characters and these

638
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,160
things will have a they sit down and do a

639
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,680
big eulogy speech where it's seven minutes. Like there's that

640
00:30:42,759 --> 00:30:45,480
scene of I just rewatched in episode four or three

641
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:49,160
where it's uh, I think it's Lower and Riley, but

642
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,799
it's his wife and the guy who plays Riley in

643
00:30:51,839 --> 00:30:55,799
the Midnight Mass. God, well, I'm not forgetting his wife's name.

644
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,000
She's such a great actress too. They have this they

645
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,160
talk about life and now and it's like a full

646
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,279
twenty minute scene. But he is to me, he's like

647
00:31:04,359 --> 00:31:08,039
the this is probably given him, you know, credit. Maybe

648
00:31:08,079 --> 00:31:09,920
he wouldn't even want to hear have deserved because it's

649
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:11,640
a big thing. But to me, it's like he's the

650
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,400
horror version of Tarantino where he can just have two

651
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:18,359
characters talking for twenty minutes and I'm enthralled, even if

652
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,480
it is very you know, go like kind of like

653
00:31:22,759 --> 00:31:24,839
very introspective. And I know some people have said that

654
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,960
of like it's I think with Midnight Mass that was

655
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:28,920
like a critique where all these speeches are like people

656
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:30,799
wouldn't talk like this, and it's so just kind of

657
00:31:31,920 --> 00:31:37,079
like it's so otherworldly in a sense where it does

658
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:40,920
feel like God's talking about humans or it's just so biblical.

659
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:42,720
But like for me, I like that in his style

660
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:44,960
it works, especially with Midnight Mass, it worked a lot,

661
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,160
But for me, I enjoyed that a lot. Let's see,

662
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,680
this makes us Two Storms from Hillhouse is the best

663
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:54,759
hour of horror TV ever. Ah, God, what are my

664
00:31:55,079 --> 00:31:58,519
two Storms of Heillhouse. I've been thinking about rewatching that

665
00:31:58,599 --> 00:32:03,599
because it's been recommending it to Oh yeah, absolutely too. Yeah, No,

666
00:32:03,720 --> 00:32:07,000
that's yes, yeah, nine point three and nine Yeah. I

667
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:09,039
think I'm probably gonna rewatch it because it's so good.

668
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:13,400
Let's see here it says would have made more money

669
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,480
if they call the Shine too. Most people talk about

670
00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:18,599
didn't even know it was connected. Yes, I agree, they

671
00:32:18,599 --> 00:32:20,440
probably should have just done that. I know the book

672
00:32:20,519 --> 00:32:23,079
wasn't that. I know it doesn't make sense, but sometimes

673
00:32:23,079 --> 00:32:24,759
you just gotta go with what you have. And the

674
00:32:24,799 --> 00:32:27,279
fact that it is doctor Sleep. No one knew that

675
00:32:27,359 --> 00:32:29,519
was connected to the Shining, and they probably should have

676
00:32:29,599 --> 00:32:31,920
changed the title. Yeah, the monologues are great. The one

677
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:33,440
at the end of mass is chilling. Yeah to me,

678
00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,640
And the monologus are great, Like they all work so

679
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:37,240
and I get it from that point of view. If

680
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:39,640
it doesn't work for you, there is a lot of monogue,

681
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,759
or if one particular monologue doesn't work, it can go

682
00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:45,319
on for a while. But it even rewatching them, it

683
00:32:45,359 --> 00:32:47,480
works for me. So to me, it's his character stuff.

684
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,680
And yeah, you got the movies. You got Hush to Me,

685
00:32:49,799 --> 00:32:54,359
which is a really really fun, clever horror movie. Gerald's Game.

686
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:56,240
I like a lot more the first time I watched it.

687
00:32:56,279 --> 00:32:59,119
I liked it. Second time enjoyed it a lot more.

688
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:01,599
And then, yeah, Doctor Sleep is a that was a

689
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,400
gargantuan effort to follow up the Shining. Do I put

690
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,319
on the same levels of Shining? No, but it's on

691
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,880
a different like a different hemisphere in a way. Right,

692
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,559
It's it's Mike Flannagan doing his thing. There's things that

693
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,440
don't get me wrong, don't kill me. There's things that

694
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,240
Flannagan's doing that Kubrick probably wouldn't do right as far

695
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:22,759
as skill level, of course, there's stuff with Kubrick, he's

696
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:25,160
doing that Flannigan couldn't do, or is just ripping off.

697
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,599
I would like, that's the thing, Like, I love Mike Flannagan,

698
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,519
but there's not many people I would say on the

699
00:33:30,599 --> 00:33:33,200
level of Kubrick overall overall right, like he to me,

700
00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:35,559
it's like him and score says he when I consider

701
00:33:35,599 --> 00:33:38,480
best stuff, like it's those two for very different reasons.

702
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:40,240
But that's a good class even be talked about. Right.

703
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:42,480
But with Doctor Sleep, he made it his own, So yeah,

704
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,359
it has to be Flanning in this other one, Mike,

705
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:47,079
I don't think you're gonna like And some other people

706
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,400
might think it's controversial, some people might think it's dead on.

707
00:33:50,599 --> 00:33:52,559
It was tough for me, but I have to put

708
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:55,599
Jordan Peele here. So this is a double where Avisuly

709
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,440
it's only the three films, So that's that's tougher, right

710
00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:02,920
because Flannagan and and uh James wand have a bevy

711
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:07,200
of stuff. For me, this is definitely influenced. Now. I

712
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:11,079
enjoy all his movies. Nope is my favorite, and Nope

713
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:12,880
is kind of like the more of the least horror one,

714
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,159
but Nope is my favorite. It's like a sci Fi horror.

715
00:34:15,559 --> 00:34:19,920
This stuff with Jean Jacket and how they eat man,

716
00:34:20,039 --> 00:34:22,679
like it shouldn't be a spoiler now, but that's scene alone.

717
00:34:23,039 --> 00:34:25,360
That's one of the most horrifying things I've seen in

718
00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:28,840
a long time, those people getting sucked up in those tubes. Man.

719
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:30,519
Maybe it's because I have a fear of being in

720
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:32,840
tight spaces and not being able to move, But the

721
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:36,280
sound effects or reveals the pacing. I think US is

722
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,440
great that way as well. I think obviously the third

723
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,880
act and some of the ending stuff that, like the

724
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:43,719
concept gets a little too big, and with get Out,

725
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,199
you know, a fucking killer idea that put him on

726
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,599
the map. Also he was already Jordan Peel, but that

727
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:52,320
was a coming out like they you want an Oscar

728
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:56,199
for that, right, Like for the script, that is one

729
00:34:56,239 --> 00:35:00,320
of those ideas where you will see variation of it,

730
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,039
but you can't. You can't duplicate it, you know. So

731
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,440
I it's tough. So it makes sense if US was

732
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,960
better received generally, I'd agree, even if I don't personally

733
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,320
love stuff. So here's the thing, though, Mike, where I

734
00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:14,719
I understand and even why I win stop putting them

735
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,760
on here. It's not because I have a problem with

736
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,199
it because I've enjoyed to liked all stuff. Right to me,

737
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,480
it's it's nope, get out us. US has some problems

738
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,920
with third act and even to me get out. Some

739
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,360
of the problems with the third act is it makes

740
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:30,559
the characters because they have to be kind of dumb

741
00:35:30,679 --> 00:35:33,159
in a way to make things keep going right, especially

742
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:34,840
when they make them smart leads, and some of the

743
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:38,039
humor like honestly doesn't work for me. But and Nope

744
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:40,679
to me is pretty perfect. That shot too, of the

745
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:44,840
house when Jean Jackets unfilling itself. Man, that might be

746
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,880
the shot of the two thousands for horror stuff. It

747
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:52,320
is fantastic. The reason I'm putting them on here is again,

748
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:55,400
this is more of the influence we just talked about

749
00:35:55,480 --> 00:36:00,480
Kubrick Prestige. Serious, We're gonna make something that's not just

750
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:05,760
a cheapen gorefest. Horror existed long before Jordan Peel. Right,

751
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,280
there's many examples. There's tons of like foreign like Japanese horror.

752
00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:11,079
I want to watch that have that right where it

753
00:36:11,159 --> 00:36:15,239
is like prestige, beautiful, well crafted horr. Because let's be honest,

754
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,639
horror gets a bad rep because there are people that

755
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:19,480
treat it like a porn thing, where it's like, let's

756
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:23,800
just it's easy, let's get a killer, some gore, some tits,

757
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,199
some drugs, and boomy out of horror film, right, And

758
00:36:26,199 --> 00:36:28,360
that's why they have been They were compared to porn

759
00:36:28,400 --> 00:36:30,199
a lot, especially in the seventies, because it was just

760
00:36:30,679 --> 00:36:33,760
people had that mindset of treating a little lesser than

761
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:39,679
Peel didn't create the prestige you know, drama or horror genre,

762
00:36:40,119 --> 00:36:42,960
but he brought it back. He wouldn't get out, happened

763
00:36:43,039 --> 00:36:46,199
and was nominated for Oscars, and it was handled with

764
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,159
a lot of delicacy. That was the way that people

765
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:53,000
in studios now don't been wrong as well. In that era,

766
00:36:53,159 --> 00:36:56,199
there's other horror that's probably prestige and happening. I can't

767
00:36:56,199 --> 00:36:58,079
even name off. But the reason I can't name them

768
00:36:58,119 --> 00:37:01,760
off is because those were on a smaller scale, right,

769
00:37:02,039 --> 00:37:05,199
And obviously I created another genre Peel hating pristige hoar

770
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:06,920
of like I don't want the hoy toy, I want

771
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:10,800
the gross, old school raw, you know, grip and ripid horror.

772
00:37:11,519 --> 00:37:15,559
It's a controversial thing, but I think when Peel did

773
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:18,360
get out, you saw a lot more studios take chances

774
00:37:18,440 --> 00:37:23,440
on prestige war where that was a that's going to god,

775
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:26,960
what is the shutter? Right, that's a very small, not

776
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,239
getting distribution. That led the path to me for people

777
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,559
like Eggers, like Ari astor even to Zach Gregrish. I

778
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:37,719
don't I can't put Zach Gregor in like prestige horr

779
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,119
in my opinion, but like there's parts of it that

780
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:45,119
is right. He led the gateway for a renaissance of

781
00:37:45,199 --> 00:37:47,119
prestige horror when it was kind of gone away like

782
00:37:47,159 --> 00:37:49,599
that was definitely don't have in the nineties. Nineties. I

783
00:37:49,639 --> 00:37:51,880
feel like seventies was that, and then nineties was getting

784
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:56,239
back to pristige or like very you know, cash and

785
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,239
type of horror. Because even I was watching interview with

786
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,360
the Rower England because the seven Pack, the ninth the

787
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,320
Elm Street came out on four K and he was

788
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,639
talking about how he wasn't even gonna consider that in

789
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:08,480
the eighties because that was looked at schlock and he

790
00:38:08,519 --> 00:38:10,920
wanted to do Shakespeare in serious acting. But if you

791
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:12,760
were in horror, that you were looking down upon, right.

792
00:38:13,199 --> 00:38:15,079
I think in the nineties and two thousands it was

793
00:38:15,159 --> 00:38:17,679
kind of getting back to that and I feel Peel

794
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,559
other people helped to but get Out was a big

795
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,280
kick down the door. Oh look what horror can be?

796
00:38:23,679 --> 00:38:25,960
Look at what and even then it's not fully accepted

797
00:38:26,039 --> 00:38:29,320
right Like and I could put isms of ty West

798
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:33,079
being prestige horror right with Pearl and everything. S says,

799
00:38:33,079 --> 00:38:35,719
could you make a case for Eggers and the Witch

800
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:43,719
two years before get Out? Yes? And no? I I

801
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:46,559
think because for me, if I the reason Peel's on

802
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:49,760
there is because it's mass influential and I feel like

803
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:54,280
to me the Witch, I saw the Witch. I'm not

804
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:56,400
trying to be hipster. I'm just saying my group of

805
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:58,559
friends and people I knew, I saw the Witch with

806
00:38:58,599 --> 00:39:00,559
one other person that was a whole or not my

807
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:02,320
friend Chelsey, who me and Kyle used to work with

808
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,280
the best Buy. She was the person that I met

809
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,440
that like just love horror like me. Right now because

810
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:09,320
of the podcast and people mean online you find out

811
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,000
there's so many of them out there, right but almost

812
00:39:11,039 --> 00:39:14,480
two decades ago when I met her, it's like, oh, finally,

813
00:39:14,519 --> 00:39:16,800
so that like loves like that type of stuff right

814
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:18,880
where they're watching like your next where I'm gonna be like,

815
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:22,000
what is that to me, get Out had the impact

816
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:25,239
where everybody is wanting to see get Out, Everyone's wanting

817
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,079
to watch it. People like Ky, who you know obviously

818
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:30,119
was a black lit film, but don't like horror films.

819
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:33,199
My friend that had that Peel where the Witch, that

820
00:39:33,320 --> 00:39:35,199
would have been a tough sell. So that's why Mike,

821
00:39:35,239 --> 00:39:38,159
I can't do that because in the good consciousness of

822
00:39:38,599 --> 00:39:41,360
the influence, I don't think. I think the Witch was

823
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,199
in the renaissance, right, and that helped where when that

824
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,800
happened with Peel, that whiden people's horizons be like what

825
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,400
else is out there like this? Even though the Witch

826
00:39:50,679 --> 00:39:53,599
and get Out very different far apart, right, but you

827
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:56,360
could throw it in that prestige horror case. I think

828
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,400
it benefited after the fact or when you got the Lighthouse,

829
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,320
but I don't think it had the impact that get

830
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,320
Out did. So that's why I couldn't put Eggers on

831
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:06,719
there for that reason. I think he benefited from it

832
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,000
and was adding to it. But I think Peel he

833
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:12,119
really kicked it down when people called him like the

834
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:14,239
Steve Spielberg of Whrror, which you know, of course they

835
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,920
did that the Shyamalan like that's where to me, you

836
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,719
know it had a difference. And yeah, when you said,

837
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,320
I guess get ou getting Oscar attention does push it above.

838
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,360
And that's to me where it is. It's for me,

839
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,360
it's both it's the Oscars but also his mainstream attention

840
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,599
where the witch didn't get that right where let me

841
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:35,199
just look for other as a prestige wharr in two thousands.

842
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:36,719
I just want to see if there's anything else that

843
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,840
I'm leaving out that could have made a case for it.

844
00:40:41,519 --> 00:40:44,920
Like someone put the descent as a prestige horror, and

845
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,360
I think the descent is very scary. I don't know

846
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,639
if it's prestige horror. And that's the tough thing, like

847
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:54,760
like someone's putting like, yeah, I guess that's Google AI.

848
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:58,199
But I'm trying to think of like like yeah, like

849
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:00,119
let the right one in, that would be prestige. But

850
00:41:00,199 --> 00:41:01,800
let's say best. Let me just go to the one

851
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:06,400
hundred best of the two thousands for raw tomatoes and

852
00:41:06,519 --> 00:41:10,400
pans lambminth Yes, that's prestige horror. The host, Yes, let

853
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:14,440
the ververyone in DRAMI hell no, Sean Dead, no reck,

854
00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:18,360
no Gingers napps no. In my opinion, twenty days later.

855
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,000
You know, Mike, you didn't love it, Like I could

856
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,159
make a case for that, but I feel like it

857
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:25,199
wasn't really happening. And then you have an at fat

858
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,880
like the others. Yeah, I could kind of make a

859
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:30,400
case for that. So to me, he just gave it

860
00:41:30,599 --> 00:41:32,880
the big boom that happened, and that's where for me,

861
00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:34,960
even if you'll don't love his work, you kind of

862
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,440
have to give him that credit in my opinion, And

863
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:40,760
I still put him above other people because get Out

864
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,400
is an all timer concept and then to me, Nope,

865
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:46,679
is one of the best ones of this you know

866
00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,119
past two thousand Bobba Duke. Absolutely, yes, because Bob Duke

867
00:41:50,159 --> 00:41:54,440
that was before get Out, right, Boba Duke. And but

868
00:41:54,519 --> 00:41:58,000
that's the same thing, right, bob a Duke to twenty

869
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:01,920
fourteen and then get Out was I at twenty seventeen? Right, Yeah,

870
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:04,800
So that's the thing though, Baba Duke, same thing, same person,

871
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,679
my friend Chelsea, Like I meant, no one that saw

872
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:09,800
the Baba Duke back then when it came out, I

873
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:12,800
had to like wait forever, didn't get his Colonna screening

874
00:42:13,079 --> 00:42:14,840
wasn't on any like I guess there wasn't really stream

875
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:16,800
services there but wasn't on Netflix, Like I had to

876
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,960
find a way to find and watch that thing, couldn't

877
00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,360
even buy it. Like the Baba Duke to me was

878
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,239
same thing as the Witch. Where is that prestige horror?

879
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:28,400
But that's when to be pristige horror was more niche

880
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:31,360
and had a certain audience where now there's more people

881
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:34,960
accepting of it, you know, for some people rightly or

882
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,119
wrongly right because I'd be like, oh, there's too much

883
00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:39,280
of it now, but I I think there's a good bounce.

884
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,480
I think we're in a good bounce right now, and

885
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:41,960
I think we're getting a lot of good horror stuff

886
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,400
all around. Right. So that's where we got eighteen minutes.

887
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:47,920
What do I do for the forest spot? Right? I

888
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:52,800
asked people for some uh honorable mentions or who they

889
00:42:52,840 --> 00:42:55,320
would have thought and some names here that I brought up.

890
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,880
So also we talked about him just now, and I

891
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,239
already talked about you know, Corly Forget. I think that

892
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,400
that could be downline, but not right now, Aggers. That

893
00:43:03,639 --> 00:43:10,719
is somebody that could be you know which lighthouse Nostraw

894
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,559
to Northmen, because if I have James on there for

895
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:18,320
the franchise, like he's a franchise machine, and to me,

896
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:22,519
he's made great ones like Conjuring Saw and Maligna. Right there,

897
00:43:22,599 --> 00:43:24,920
that's a trinity where I'm like, you deserve me. Those

898
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:28,000
are very very special, right where if I'm I'm trying

899
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,599
to use the same thing for aggers. I think the

900
00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:34,159
Witch is special. I think they're They're all special, but

901
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:36,239
I think it's like varying degrees of how much you

902
00:43:36,559 --> 00:43:41,079
enjoy them, right, Like the Lighthouse, I enjoyed a filmmaking perspective,

903
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:44,039
but can you Is it something you want to really

904
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,400
watch over and over again? That should be the main

905
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:48,400
reason why you get on the list, But it just means, like,

906
00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,400
I think that's a There's many people that could watch

907
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,639
The Lighthouse or the Witch and really not like it

908
00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:57,119
at all. Right, So that's why it's tough for me.

909
00:43:57,639 --> 00:43:59,800
He might be on a Mount Rushmore somewhere if you're

910
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:01,800
talking just quality, But if I'm taking a lot of

911
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,079
different aspects, I don't know if he's there, but he

912
00:44:04,119 --> 00:44:06,239
could fill out foreslow. I think he's probably the closest

913
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:11,199
one to do it, just because he's he's making some nos.

914
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:13,920
Fauci to me is a whore epic and I think

915
00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:21,639
where Wolf could propel him, I might not even I

916
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,159
might still not have him out of the race yet

917
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:26,199
because I have a foreslat who I have there. But

918
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:29,039
it's very tough, right the other one, I have to

919
00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:30,639
wait till there's more of it. But I have to

920
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:32,639
give the same way a shout to, you know, with

921
00:44:33,119 --> 00:44:36,559
Peel and James one, he's not on here for sure,

922
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:40,400
but Damian Leon like for Terrifier and Art the Clown,

923
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,199
and that's ones where I don't really even enjoy Terrifyer

924
00:44:44,199 --> 00:44:46,119
one and two that much. I don't even think they're

925
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:49,480
the best movies. I think they do what they do well.

926
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:52,239
I get why people love them. I think there's stuff

927
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:55,320
where it's like, man, a few little changes here, this

928
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,039
could be better, And some of it is because of

929
00:44:57,039 --> 00:44:59,079
budget and some of it is just because of choices. Right,

930
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,920
I've said this before. Felt like he evolved, felt like

931
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:04,760
he had his game. That's you could tell when you

932
00:45:04,840 --> 00:45:07,679
see a director. And that's the thing where it's different

933
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:11,440
with uh when you watch this stuff in retrospect, Right

934
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,320
with Cubriic, you hear all the stories and you watch it,

935
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,679
right Craven heroes stories and you watch it when I'm

936
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,199
watching this in real time. To see Damian like evolve

937
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,480
as director, it's fascinating, right, And Terrified three also had

938
00:45:21,559 --> 00:45:23,599
some of it because the budget as well, but just

939
00:45:23,599 --> 00:45:25,800
in general the pacing, I was like the first half

940
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:28,760
and now I was like, this feels miles better. Like

941
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:32,840
EON's better than T one and T two, So I

942
00:45:32,840 --> 00:45:35,440
don't put him in there yet. I have to seek

943
00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,960
his offs thee art he's same thing. He's created a

944
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,280
horror icon which is very tough, like I think James

945
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:44,280
One has kind of done that with He has done

946
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:46,760
that with Jigsaw, but Jake Saw is like a mixture

947
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,440
of the Traps and Billy the puppet in Tobin Bell.

948
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:52,639
It's kind of all the pig mass. That's all over, right,

949
00:45:52,679 --> 00:45:55,119
but it still saw as a horror icon. But to

950
00:45:55,159 --> 00:46:01,079
have like another Michael Freddie Jason Chucky Leatherface, ghost Face,

951
00:46:01,159 --> 00:46:03,400
it's been a while. It'd been a long time people

952
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,480
would attempt and I felt like they kind of stopped art.

953
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:08,760
The clown is on that level now when it's Halloween

954
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:12,639
and you walk into Spearit Halloween, or you walk into

955
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:16,599
Hot Topic Art, the clown is fucking everywhere, you know,

956
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,079
he's like, he's like this decade's Harley Quinn. Right, So

957
00:46:20,559 --> 00:46:23,840
for me, I'd love to circle back in twenty thirty

958
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,159
to see k after he's done with Art, because I

959
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:29,519
know he did another movie that didn't really go anywhere.

960
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,920
After he's done with Art Terrifier, what's next? Because to me,

961
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,679
he could be like James one where if it happens

962
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:38,679
multiple times and just the the success alone of Terrifier

963
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:44,800
two and three, the fact that you know, people can't

964
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:47,920
like like they wouldn't many people won't advertise this movie.

965
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:50,199
Many theaters wouldn't carry the movie, or they had to

966
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:54,079
like you know, selfish self efficiently promote and do the

967
00:46:54,119 --> 00:46:56,880
marketing and spend all that money. That is a major

968
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,440
success story, maybe even more than Saw right beca saw

969
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,079
a short film and gets picked up and then becomes

970
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:04,679
a franchise blockbuster for the Horror Realm in lions Gate. Right,

971
00:47:05,039 --> 00:47:08,119
Terrifire still is like hard to distribute with people because

972
00:47:08,119 --> 00:47:11,079
it's like an X rayed movie. Right. So it's very

973
00:47:11,119 --> 00:47:14,400
impressive the whole thing. So I think he's a potential one.

974
00:47:14,519 --> 00:47:18,239
Uh yeah, we'll get there, Mike says. Bi. The puppet

975
00:47:18,320 --> 00:47:21,639
is a Frankenstein situation or frank Zin Monster situation where

976
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:24,920
the GA might think the puppet is Jagsaw. That's I'm

977
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,880
with you right where if I do that list, I

978
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,920
still would have them on there because the tape let's

979
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:33,719
play a game, but it is convoluted in a sense

980
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,840
for the heel that aren't fan of the franchise, right,

981
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:44,320
other people, let's see here our astor. I think the

982
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,840
problem is that he was, like if I'm considering angers

983
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,000
on the Brount Rushmore, I think he was in that

984
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:54,000
same boat with Agers, he was neck and neck. And

985
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:56,239
I think now even though Eddington's on a horror movie,

986
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,800
there's kind of some thriller aspects in it. I think

987
00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:02,760
he's been a clipse by Agers. I think with Lighthouse

988
00:48:03,119 --> 00:48:07,960
and the Witch versus Hereditary and Midsommar, I could they

989
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,199
were comparable, and I think I could lean towards Ari

990
00:48:11,639 --> 00:48:14,840
taking the win there once you did. And let's let's

991
00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:17,760
let's put Northman and Eddington together, right, because not exactly

992
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,360
horror movies, but have some horror ish stuff. Northman way

993
00:48:21,400 --> 00:48:26,800
more to be Northman clears Eddington right, So for me,

994
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,599
then it comes down to Bow's afraid versus nos for

995
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:32,320
rot to and even if you were to flip it

996
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,039
and do best versus best, I think Agger's best is

997
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:37,760
nos for a to and obviously Ari Asters. I think

998
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:39,320
you can make a case, but I do thinks best

999
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,800
is Hereditary, which I have a funny story I will

1000
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,559
share in the discord uh coming up about Hereditary that

1001
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:48,119
happened to me today. But I think Agger still clears them.

1002
00:48:48,159 --> 00:48:51,280
I think I think Ari has the same way. Lighthouse

1003
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:54,239
is very mixed with people, and even Witch so somebody

1004
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,880
I don't like the Witch. Ari's Aster's work is becoming

1005
00:48:56,920 --> 00:49:01,960
more and more mixed. Even Hereditary had some mix about it,

1006
00:49:02,199 --> 00:49:05,199
but I feel like now Hereditary Mincimar have kind of

1007
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:08,400
locked their places in for the horror for like not

1008
00:49:08,519 --> 00:49:13,679
you know, not franchises, but classics. In a sense, I

1009
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:19,079
think that it's the other two are are too too

1010
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:23,199
mixed there, and it's not mixed like I said in

1011
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:25,880
the Lighthouse way where it's kind of varying degrees right,

1012
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,760
Us is getting better. Ari is getting worse. I don't

1013
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:32,320
know if I can say worse. I get what you mean, though,

1014
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:37,360
I think he's getting more stylized and that is less

1015
00:49:39,679 --> 00:49:43,000
appealing to people it's more of a specific approach, right,

1016
00:49:43,079 --> 00:49:45,239
But so ari he can't be in there because of

1017
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:51,360
that Osgoode Perkins. He's somebody that could be obviously. Uh.

1018
00:49:52,159 --> 00:49:54,840
I can't remember off the pull Up because I watched

1019
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,920
it last year and it was a pretty creepy movie.

1020
00:49:57,119 --> 00:49:59,000
It was really it's like the coal miner Daughter, the

1021
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,320
black coal Miner's daughter, see oz good Perkins. I think

1022
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:06,000
the problem, not the problem, but he's what within the

1023
00:50:06,039 --> 00:50:12,800
last twelve months he had because it's uh, go long Legs.

1024
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:17,079
Let's see Long Legs, Monkey and Keeper. Yeah, long leg

1025
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:19,679
and I guess he I guess that makes sense though.

1026
00:50:19,679 --> 00:50:22,079
Why it's happening though, right, because he directed Gretel and Hansel,

1027
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:24,199
and then he didn't do a movie for four years,

1028
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:27,320
and now he's done Long Legs, the Monkey, and the Keeper,

1029
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:29,840
which are all coming out within twelve months of each other.

1030
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,960
So maybe he's just saving up there. Black Coat's Daughter,

1031
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:35,599
that's the one. There's some pretty horrifying things in there.

1032
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:38,639
I am pretty think that lives in the house. Very

1033
00:50:38,679 --> 00:50:42,119
experimental sort of film. Wasn't my cup of tea. I

1034
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:44,079
don't think it's necessarily good. I still need to see

1035
00:50:44,119 --> 00:50:48,320
Gretel and Hansel. He's kind of like Damian Leon where

1036
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:51,199
I need to see more with the output that he's saying.

1037
00:50:51,679 --> 00:50:54,639
I'll say no, don't say as good Perkins. But here's

1038
00:50:54,639 --> 00:50:57,960
the thing, whatever, excuse me, whatever you feel about long

1039
00:50:58,039 --> 00:51:01,840
Legs in that movie, the Long Legs character Nick Cage.

1040
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:03,960
I'm not saying he's like a Freddie redasent, but he's

1041
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:08,639
become a somewhat pulp culture horror icon, right. He's created

1042
00:51:08,719 --> 00:51:11,960
an iconic character that people know there's means about. You

1043
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:14,159
can just show a photo of them and you get

1044
00:51:14,199 --> 00:51:16,159
it right. And to me, long Legs has a lot

1045
00:51:16,159 --> 00:51:19,719
of reception for tons of people. I cannot put him

1046
00:51:19,840 --> 00:51:22,920
up there because the Monkey I thought was fine. I

1047
00:51:22,920 --> 00:51:25,360
think it was a very well made movie, and for

1048
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:27,719
the people that liked that final destination type of horror,

1049
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:31,280
I understand. But I think he's someone Mike that has potential.

1050
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,920
I gotta see the Keeper, but long Legs could be

1051
00:51:33,960 --> 00:51:36,280
the peak. I think Long Legs was something special, even

1052
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:37,679
though it's not a perfect movie for me, it's not

1053
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,719
like a ten to ten. I think there was something

1054
00:51:39,800 --> 00:51:42,960
very special about it. And his style is very very dreadful,

1055
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:44,639
So that's I guess what the monkey was good for

1056
00:51:44,679 --> 00:51:48,159
something a little bit different, But yeah, I had to

1057
00:51:48,159 --> 00:51:50,000
put him there because long legs came up. That's some

1058
00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:53,039
prestige horror. Hainamore as a writer, to be fair, and

1059
00:51:53,039 --> 00:51:55,920
that's what I've heard, right. I don't think you're wrong.

1060
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:58,840
I think that's his biggest critique. Where the direction is fine,

1061
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,880
it's more the writing of it, right, And that's where

1062
00:52:01,039 --> 00:52:03,159
I have to see. What's he directing to young people?

1063
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:09,760
Ozigo Perkins starring Nico Parker and Lowe Toungue. Okay, I

1064
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:11,159
don't know. I can't remember. I thought I heard the

1065
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:12,960
pitch about this. I thought it was interesting the pitch.

1066
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,480
But I'm just saying he's somebody that could go there

1067
00:52:16,039 --> 00:52:18,280
want to bring up, but didn't have him the last

1068
00:52:18,280 --> 00:52:21,320
one I have before the fourth on my list right now.

1069
00:52:22,840 --> 00:52:25,199
So for Charlie, he said Charlie Randell, and I had

1070
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:27,119
him on the list anyways, but for Ulster. For Mike's question,

1071
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:29,639
Scott Darrison gets a nod from me as a great

1072
00:52:29,679 --> 00:52:32,079
horror director in two thousand's After Black Phone two. He's

1073
00:52:32,079 --> 00:52:34,039
not quite in the top due to his lack of

1074
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:35,800
movies compared to some others, but I think he could

1075
00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,880
be up there if he did more love his style,

1076
00:52:37,920 --> 00:52:39,800
and I mostly just wanted to shout him out because

1077
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:42,000
Sinister is my favorite horror movie all time, which we

1078
00:52:42,039 --> 00:52:43,679
will talk about since there in a couple of weeks

1079
00:52:44,599 --> 00:52:46,800
on our Geek first episode of his the Scariest Movie

1080
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,480
All Time and stuff like that, because we did talk

1081
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:53,039
about that list that some Scare project put out. I

1082
00:52:53,119 --> 00:52:56,000
don't know but U. And finally on Osgod Perkins, Mike

1083
00:52:56,039 --> 00:52:57,880
says his visual style is good. I agree. He didn't

1084
00:52:57,880 --> 00:52:59,679
write the keep for some curious Yeah, I'm curious too.

1085
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:05,880
Scott Dereckson, he's a tough one. He kind of feels

1086
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,480
like he's like Light James one in a sense right

1087
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:11,000
where he has two franchise awfully black Phones still going.

1088
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,960
But he did Sinisor, but then Sinsors two was very

1089
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,039
meh and he didn't direct that. I think he wrote

1090
00:53:17,519 --> 00:53:19,360
it maybe, but he didn't direct that, and that's when

1091
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:21,800
you can tell he was missing. And then Black Phone

1092
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:24,599
two he did direct and write, and you can feel

1093
00:53:24,599 --> 00:53:27,039
that he was there because it feel felt evolved, felt

1094
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:29,280
carried on from the first one, and it felt like

1095
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:33,159
they were any changes or things they did to like,

1096
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:35,400
oh this happened, the first one felt natural, where some

1097
00:53:35,519 --> 00:53:39,599
franchises they don't write. I think, like you said, Charlie,

1098
00:53:39,679 --> 00:53:41,840
he's he's worth a shout out. I can't put him there.

1099
00:53:42,159 --> 00:53:45,440
I think he just needs more. I think Sinister was

1100
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,039
a start. Sinister was his saw, and I think black

1101
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:50,800
Phone two is very, very good. You can listen to

1102
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:53,000
our review that we did last week in the Non

1103
00:53:53,039 --> 00:53:55,760
Sports I talked about how has some pacing issues. I

1104
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,159
think at times there's some dialogue and writing that isn't

1105
00:53:59,199 --> 00:54:02,360
the greatest, and also just that there's just pacing where

1106
00:54:02,519 --> 00:54:04,840
lots of exposition dumps like too much, and lots of

1107
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:07,320
stuff that we already know when it happens right. So

1108
00:54:07,559 --> 00:54:10,039
for me, he's somebody the same thing we're turned back

1109
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:14,519
to when we get to twenty thirty four to do

1110
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:18,599
this list again or the next Mount Rushmore. I think

1111
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:22,400
there's potential for him to get on there, but I

1112
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:25,639
don't see it because what was the other one that

1113
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:31,880
he did. I guess there's right. I forgot has some

1114
00:54:32,039 --> 00:54:34,679
very low lows, like day there are sitting on deliver

1115
00:54:34,760 --> 00:54:37,639
us from evil, deliver Us from evil. I think I've

1116
00:54:37,639 --> 00:54:39,320
looked this up before. Isn't that some sort of like

1117
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:46,440
prison possession movie? Right? Deliver Us from Oh Yeah? With

1118
00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:48,960
Eric Bonna and Edgar Ramirez. I've always wanted to see this.

1119
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:51,519
I've heard not the greatest things. But that's the thing

1120
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:56,119
where he's very I can't. I guess you could say

1121
00:54:56,159 --> 00:54:57,800
hit or miss. But oh, and that's right. I was

1122
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:59,800
trying to think of, like, what was the movie in between?

1123
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:03,519
Even the first Black Phone. I enjoyed it, but I

1124
00:55:03,679 --> 00:55:07,000
was very underwhelmed by it. So he just needs a

1125
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,400
few more. If he could get a couple more Sinisters,

1126
00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:11,800
he could be there. I have not checked out his

1127
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,840
dream Kill segment on VHS. I need to still watch that,

1128
00:55:15,159 --> 00:55:16,639
and I want to watch a bunch of them once.

1129
00:55:16,679 --> 00:55:18,920
I checked that out because I didn't know it was

1130
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:24,159
tied to Black Phone. So that's cool. But yeah, it's

1131
00:55:24,199 --> 00:55:26,920
just he's just not there. Yeah, and I don't know

1132
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:29,960
if he's ever gonna be there. And that's that's fine, right.

1133
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,239
He has a great career. Lots of people love Doctor Strange,

1134
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,400
and the thing is like sinister, I don't know if

1135
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,280
you could put them out rush more for the two thousand,

1136
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,280
I think there's a case I could make a. He

1137
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:43,159
did a hell Raiser too. Oh No, some of those

1138
00:55:43,239 --> 00:55:46,559
later ones are a little questionable. But that's a whole

1139
00:55:46,599 --> 00:55:49,480
nother question too. If we're doing directors and icons. If

1140
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,320
I were doing movies, I don't know if it's on there,

1141
00:55:52,679 --> 00:55:54,480
but I can make a case for the First Sinister

1142
00:55:54,599 --> 00:55:56,320
being in the top four. I think I don't know

1143
00:55:56,360 --> 00:55:58,239
for sure. It might be an hourable mention might get there.

1144
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,519
But that's the thing where even if you just have

1145
00:56:00,639 --> 00:56:03,679
a movie like that, where you can make the argument

1146
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:06,360
that you can have a movie on top four, you're

1147
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:09,400
gravy man. That's a great people would kill for that career.

1148
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:11,719
Some people have nothing even close to that, right, I

1149
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,599
would kill to say, Hey, in the twenty thirties, this

1150
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:17,079
key for studio, you could argue it's the top four

1151
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:19,519
Mount Rushman Horrory, right, my name doesn't have to be

1152
00:56:19,639 --> 00:56:21,480
up there. That's what you want to strive to be, right.

1153
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:24,400
But it's just like he's had a very impressive career

1154
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,480
with some lulls. So that's where I just can't get

1155
00:56:26,519 --> 00:56:28,480
him up there. But he's worth the shoutout. But Mike

1156
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,000
had mentioned him, and yes, I think I have to

1157
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,079
give it to Fetti, even though Mike I was swaying.

1158
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,960
It's tough that Agger's pick is is very tough because

1159
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,039
I gotta pulp everything from because one thing I'll bring

1160
00:56:41,159 --> 00:56:44,880
up and I guess this could fall into the director

1161
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:50,679
not horror stuff, right, even though my god, my thing

1162
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:54,119
is slow and completely down. I was gonna pull balls

1163
00:56:54,119 --> 00:56:58,199
movies even though it's not horror. The girl, the draining

1164
00:56:58,280 --> 00:57:01,519
tattoo or the spider Web. It is a thriller, right,

1165
00:57:01,800 --> 00:57:07,559
and on the filmography, that's tough thing. So it's like

1166
00:57:07,639 --> 00:57:10,519
that's where it comes down to the horror. The Eggers

1167
00:57:10,639 --> 00:57:13,400
versus Fetti is the toughest run, right, because you have

1168
00:57:13,960 --> 00:57:15,519
Evil Den I'll bring up your point BC that you

1169
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:17,639
said where because you said it had to be Fetti,

1170
00:57:18,119 --> 00:57:20,960
and I agree because I love that Eel Dead remake.

1171
00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:22,880
I think that is the best one out of all

1172
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:26,320
Evil deasm sort of saying, well, I'll say it's tied

1173
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,559
with Evil Dead two. I prefer Evil Dead twenty thirteen

1174
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:33,920
because I love that raw, gross, just messed up movie.

1175
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:36,480
But Evil Dead two is probably a better movie in

1176
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:38,800
the sense and it's its own kind of masterpiece as

1177
00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:41,679
far as a horror coney. Its own, but like you said,

1178
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:46,119
he resurrected to franchises and created an original one. Let's

1179
00:57:46,119 --> 00:57:51,360
see here, let me get all his director's cred. Directed

1180
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:55,239
ten Things, so I've never seen any short. So his

1181
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:58,679
first feature length was Eel Dead and Don't Breathe. To me,

1182
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:04,719
if you compare that to agers first two, Witch and

1183
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:10,199
then Lighthouse, yeah, Betty gets that because I think I

1184
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:12,840
like those both than those two both. Lighthouse is fun

1185
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:18,880
is very fun, which I don't know I'm coming more

1186
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:23,000
around on which because I think when I first watched it, okay,

1187
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:25,239
that's good, but it came one of those festivals where

1188
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,519
it's like the most scary thing you'll ever see in

1189
00:58:27,519 --> 00:58:29,719
the most frightenings, Like I didn't have that. But as

1190
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:32,079
I got older, and we did an episode on it

1191
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:35,119
last year, the Witch Retrospective, and we talked about lots

1192
00:58:35,159 --> 00:58:37,039
of the theories and lots of the meanings and the

1193
00:58:37,079 --> 00:58:40,679
ways you could take it. I think Evil Dead, if

1194
00:58:40,719 --> 00:58:44,719
I'm ranking them out of the first four, it's Evil Dead, Witch,

1195
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:49,199
Don't Breathe in Lighthouse, and then as you carry on though,

1196
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:53,000
Girl in the Spider Web and Alien Romulus. Then to me,

1197
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:56,000
if you compare that to wolf Men, or you compare

1198
00:58:56,039 --> 00:58:59,480
that to nos forought to and then the north Men

1199
00:58:59,599 --> 00:59:01,920
if you have Girl in the Spider Web and north

1200
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:05,119
Men that are not horror movies but horror Jason and

1201
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:07,159
kind of the thriller, and there's some fucked up stuff

1202
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:11,280
going on Northmen, Right, Northman to me, Okay, I'm doing

1203
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:14,199
the bad Oscar thing. I've not seen Girl the Spider Web.

1204
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:16,440
I will check that out, and I should check that out.

1205
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:20,920
I'm gonna be safely saying Northman's gonna clear it even

1206
00:59:21,000 --> 00:59:23,000
just on a film technical basis, right, and the things

1207
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:24,920
I've heard about Girl the Spider Web, and it's just

1208
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:28,880
kind of being all right, north Men even visually such

1209
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:34,320
a Smorgasborg, right, same thing, all of technical stuff, score, cinematography,

1210
00:59:34,519 --> 00:59:38,079
like acting wise, it's all there. And then if you

1211
00:59:38,159 --> 00:59:46,119
go to Alien Rondu lis versus nos faratu, Dracula nos foratu,

1212
00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,599
how many times those things been done? And he made

1213
00:59:48,679 --> 00:59:52,639
something different. He made something super dark and gothic that

1214
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:57,559
felt refreshing but still ache in to something in the past.

1215
00:59:58,119 --> 01:00:02,800
He did the whole sexual or you know, just crave

1216
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:05,519
addiction thing, but took a little bit of spin on it.

1217
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:07,559
And I don't know. I enjoyed the Rock because I

1218
01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:10,840
thought he was. It wasn't as glamorized as bram Chrokers

1219
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:13,639
like the franci wor Coppolo one. I thought it was

1220
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:15,559
gonna be, and there's moments of it, but it's not.

1221
01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:20,679
It's a tough one for me because because if I'm

1222
01:00:20,760 --> 01:00:23,920
going again in that aspect, I'd have to just put

1223
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,440
an Worthmen over Spider Web. I've not seen it. I'm

1224
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:29,880
just assuming maybe I'm wrong. But then Romulus versus nos

1225
01:00:30,039 --> 01:00:33,679
Ratu to me. With nos Ratu, he showed how he

1226
01:00:33,719 --> 01:00:36,239
could take the classic work that's been done before and

1227
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:39,400
do some new spins on it. And just like even

1228
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:41,559
the nos Forratu character him and the work that Bill

1229
01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:45,800
Scarsgard did was incredible. Mustache at all. Alien Ronless I

1230
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,360
think is great, But again I've talked about before the

1231
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:52,840
third act surprise and Monster that's fantastic too. I know

1232
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:54,920
some people don't like that, so if Fedy's always just

1233
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,480
like with Eel Dead taking a swing. What I hate

1234
01:00:57,519 --> 01:01:00,079
about not hate, but what I dislike about ron This

1235
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:05,000
is that third act when we get into like tribute

1236
01:01:05,199 --> 01:01:10,800
in Legacy film, tributing like territory when we get to

1237
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,360
like stay away from her bitch, and it's like, why

1238
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,559
is Anny saying that? You know, like when we get

1239
01:01:14,559 --> 01:01:16,800
in those illusions where that doesn't really work for me.

1240
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:20,480
So let's see, Mike, you said, what about what when's

1241
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:25,280
we doing Evil Dead? Nos raw tou? Oh that's super tough.

1242
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:27,800
Those are both ten and ten. Those are both to

1243
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:34,440
me like horror masterpieces. Ah yeah, yeai, I have not

1244
01:01:34,719 --> 01:01:38,840
watched nos Ratu again, Mike. I guess I could cop

1245
01:01:38,880 --> 01:01:40,400
out and say because I want to watch it this year,

1246
01:01:40,440 --> 01:01:42,639
because I want to watch with Emily. I want to

1247
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:44,880
subject her to it a little bit because there's some

1248
01:01:45,239 --> 01:01:47,679
stuff I think she might like. But and that's the

1249
01:01:47,719 --> 01:01:49,320
movie that I need to be in a certain mood for.

1250
01:01:50,199 --> 01:01:54,920
I think. I it's tough too, because you have two

1251
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,440
great like performances in there, right with Scars Guard, and

1252
01:01:57,519 --> 01:02:01,840
then you have god what's her name? That did Evil Dead?

1253
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,800
It's me as something, right, who's not? And then she's

1254
01:02:03,840 --> 01:02:06,679
in Don't Brief She's not done enough. That's an actress

1255
01:02:06,719 --> 01:02:08,639
where I go like, how did people not see Evil Dead?

1256
01:02:08,679 --> 01:02:10,719
And Don't Breathe? And yeah, Jane Levy, how did she

1257
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,519
not become like this big star. How did studios in

1258
01:02:13,599 --> 01:02:16,199
Marvel or DC you start? Is not scooper up? Like

1259
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:18,480
when I pull her IMDb up, she it says no

1260
01:02:18,719 --> 01:02:22,119
for three things. I'MDB always has four things on there.

1261
01:02:22,119 --> 01:02:24,400
It's just don't breathe evil. The nds always extraordinary playlist,

1262
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,360
like how is she not in a bunch of stuff?

1263
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:34,679
It's kind of crazy. That's that's tough. Supermix is Agger

1264
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,320
is definitely more grandiose director, but Fetty is effective making

1265
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:40,400
in crowded, pleasing meat and Betao's spook house style hort. Yeah,

1266
01:02:40,400 --> 01:02:43,920
absolutely right, but that the thing is like he is

1267
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,159
a grandiose but it's like Aggers might be the best

1268
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:50,440
at the grandiose, you know, And it's it's tough, Like

1269
01:02:50,519 --> 01:02:53,280
I almost need were Wolf to come out to be

1270
01:02:53,639 --> 01:03:00,239
a deciding factor here. But yeah, evil dead because the

1271
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,400
same thing though, that's like eel because the same thing

1272
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:05,800
I talk about the leads nos Rota has other fun

1273
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:11,079
performances in there. What Lily Depth's doing, what Holt's doing.

1274
01:03:11,840 --> 01:03:13,559
I think I have to lean to os rot to

1275
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:16,480
and I hate to do this, but I I think

1276
01:03:16,599 --> 01:03:19,199
here's the thing I'm gonna go. I did have Fedti.

1277
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:21,760
I think I've talked myself out of it. The reason

1278
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:27,000
I'm gonna do this is because I'm gonna go with

1279
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:29,079
the theme you need to revisit this topic by the

1280
01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:31,440
end of twenty twenties, I do, right, And I think

1281
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:32,800
that's why I said I need to see Werewolf and

1282
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:35,119
I need to see what Fedti does. Reason I'm gonna

1283
01:03:35,159 --> 01:03:41,400
actually lead to Aggers is because the original ip missed

1284
01:03:42,639 --> 01:03:45,159
off see the Witch based off of lots of stories

1285
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:52,519
and urban myths of the past, with uh Dracula off

1286
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:55,039
se a tail that you've seen many other tales done right,

1287
01:03:55,119 --> 01:03:57,960
so you have a reference point where you can make

1288
01:03:58,000 --> 01:04:01,400
that same argument for Eel Dead and Romulus. I do

1289
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:04,639
think to me, with some of those things that Romulus

1290
01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:10,199
got into the sequel, legacy, sequal itis, that that takes

1291
01:04:10,280 --> 01:04:12,920
down Fetty a little bit. Even I feed Hey's still great,

1292
01:04:13,079 --> 01:04:15,400
you know, Feddi's still fantastic. I remember still that I

1293
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,199
didn't love Romis as much as I thought. I thought

1294
01:04:17,199 --> 01:04:18,519
I was gonna live it to love it, to like

1295
01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:21,159
an evil Dead style. So I think just because of

1296
01:04:21,840 --> 01:04:25,400
some of those original movies, and like you mentioned, Mike,

1297
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:30,679
the grandiose style. That's something where if you mute those films,

1298
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:33,280
there are loss of those films are gonna look great, right,

1299
01:04:33,679 --> 01:04:38,119
But I think Aggers films are gonna look like art,

1300
01:04:38,239 --> 01:04:40,679
like all of them right where there's not a lot

1301
01:04:40,679 --> 01:04:42,199
of stuff in Ramis. I feel like it's gonna be

1302
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:45,239
like art, you know. So I think Romliss to me

1303
01:04:45,360 --> 01:04:46,960
is kind of the same factor. But I think it's

1304
01:04:47,079 --> 01:04:50,239
like Espo says, that's a tough thing though, where I

1305
01:04:50,440 --> 01:04:52,679
feel like Aggers, you said, Mike, I don't know about

1306
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,360
ori Astro, but Eggers is getting better. I feel like

1307
01:04:55,519 --> 01:04:59,400
with each movie to me is White House to me

1308
01:04:59,519 --> 01:05:04,000
is just very much experimental film. The Witch something very

1309
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:10,840
mind fucky, very you know, in depth, like urban myth Haunt.

1310
01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:14,079
You think about what the time was like, what the

1311
01:05:14,800 --> 01:05:18,480
emotions were like in the aspect of those characters in

1312
01:05:18,519 --> 01:05:20,480
that setting, going through everything he went through. It's head

1313
01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:23,920
trippy in a sense, right. Lighthouse is what it is Northmany.

1314
01:05:24,119 --> 01:05:27,360
That's when he starts get into those big, grandiose, wild

1315
01:05:27,679 --> 01:05:30,800
epic filmmaker style. And then when No Sparato came out

1316
01:05:31,239 --> 01:05:34,639
pure epic filmmaker style, and I feel like where Wolf is,

1317
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:37,960
I won't say, the deciding factor. But it's one of

1318
01:05:38,039 --> 01:05:40,480
those things where if where Wolf hits the same way

1319
01:05:40,519 --> 01:05:43,840
as nos Faratu, he's starting to build up that little work. Okay,

1320
01:05:43,960 --> 01:05:46,079
all that it feels like Nolan, when Nolan's starting to

1321
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:49,280
get that gear, like, okay, he's just now an epic filmmaker. Right,

1322
01:05:50,719 --> 01:05:52,639
let's see. Supermind says you could make a case for

1323
01:05:52,679 --> 01:05:55,519
The blind Man being a mono original horror movie orror

1324
01:05:55,679 --> 01:06:01,239
icon The blind Man? Who am I the blind Man? Oh? Yeah,

1325
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:03,199
you write that one, right, I was thinking of the

1326
01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:08,639
Bye Bye Man. Yeah, he's like long legs where it's like,

1327
01:06:08,679 --> 01:06:10,920
to me, a one off. I think that sequel hurt it.

1328
01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:13,960
But the blind Man is I think he's on a

1329
01:06:14,039 --> 01:06:16,760
lower tier tier. And maybe if I do the icons,

1330
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:18,199
I'll try and do like a top ten. I'll still

1331
01:06:18,239 --> 01:06:22,039
the four rush more, but I think so the sound

1332
01:06:22,039 --> 01:06:24,599
design don't breathe his art. Yeah, absolutely, and then the

1333
01:06:24,599 --> 01:06:27,800
blood rains, the blood rein scene and Evil Dead it's

1334
01:06:27,840 --> 01:06:30,480
our absolutely. So that's where it's like, I'm not trying

1335
01:06:30,519 --> 01:06:34,280
to take Fetty down Fetti. It's it's very tough. It's

1336
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,559
just that to me, if this is where, like s

1337
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:40,039
Bob said, we need the twenty twenties. If you were

1338
01:06:40,119 --> 01:06:44,719
to ask me between the two next film, what do

1339
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,480
you think is going to be the better film? I

1340
01:06:47,679 --> 01:06:50,119
feel like it's gonna be agger And that's where I'm

1341
01:06:50,119 --> 01:06:52,440
gonna lean that way. I'm gonna put Eggers there. It

1342
01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:54,719
wasn't I had Fetti there, but Fetti. I need to

1343
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:56,239
see one more and I want to see a little

1344
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:59,639
more of the original stuff, you know, because what we had,

1345
01:07:01,639 --> 01:07:04,679
because even SPIREWB though that's still based off a book, right,

1346
01:07:04,840 --> 01:07:06,920
Like I haven't seen that, but it's still like that's

1347
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:10,119
even you know, Dracula's too, but he is three you

1348
01:07:10,320 --> 01:07:13,599
and even then the Witch is based off lots of

1349
01:07:13,679 --> 01:07:15,639
research at the time, right, I don't even count as

1350
01:07:15,639 --> 01:07:18,079
an IP, so all you could really count is nos

1351
01:07:18,199 --> 01:07:20,159
fora to which he puts his own big spin on.

1352
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:23,400
But that's one where with Eddie it is Evil Dead,

1353
01:07:23,800 --> 01:07:28,440
former IP Girl, spierweb IP, Alien Romis IP and then

1354
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:31,519
Don't Breath, which is original. Right, That's where I need

1355
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:36,920
to And here's the other thing, obviously, Yeah, not knowing

1356
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:38,960
what his next film will be exciting, Yeah, Edie will

1357
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:43,599
be for me a big thing because I don't think

1358
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:47,199
let me just double check this. This will be the

1359
01:07:47,360 --> 01:07:51,199
deciding knockout factor. And I'm delaying your saw me. Looking

1360
01:07:51,199 --> 01:07:53,679
at IMDb, you might see where I'm going with this,

1361
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,599
but I have to decide because I don't think Robert

1362
01:07:56,639 --> 01:08:02,920
Aggers has one big smudge on his resume like Fetti does. Now,

1363
01:08:03,400 --> 01:08:07,320
Fedni not direct this. It was a Netflix. A lot

1364
01:08:07,360 --> 01:08:11,519
of things can happen when you don't because that I

1365
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:13,239
can't do the short. So yeah, he wrote the Witch

1366
01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,600
Lighthouse Northman, Noos Fratu and that's it. Lots of things

1367
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:20,239
happen when you look at Fetti Alvarez, it's not and

1368
01:08:20,359 --> 01:08:22,800
it's just story buy as well, right, So it's just

1369
01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:26,079
story by He didn't write the screenplay. It could sometimes

1370
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:30,079
be the ide the treatment Boom hit the nail on

1371
01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:34,279
the head as Bubbs Texas Chainsaw Masker. I do not

1372
01:08:34,439 --> 01:08:36,600
put that all on Fetti because he's linked that as

1373
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:40,520
a story by credit. That movie is real bad. Me

1374
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:43,359
and Terry you can check on the feed somewhere we

1375
01:08:43,399 --> 01:08:46,239
did review it. That's a really tough one, right, and

1376
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:48,880
that's where for me he did that. And then Robins,

1377
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:53,159
which is very very good. Mike says, come on, you know,

1378
01:08:53,680 --> 01:08:56,920
I know in a sense where you can say, how

1379
01:08:57,079 --> 01:08:58,720
like strict that from the record, But you know, if

1380
01:08:58,760 --> 01:09:01,359
I was in like an actual debate, like remember that

1381
01:09:01,399 --> 01:09:03,640
show back in the day movie Fights, if I was

1382
01:09:03,760 --> 01:09:07,439
defending Robert Aggers against you know, Fetty that and that's

1383
01:09:07,479 --> 01:09:09,640
where too, like he says, buy that logic one is

1384
01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:13,000
way more crap too. Yes, but I did say that

1385
01:09:13,119 --> 01:09:16,760
was influential also from the box office franchise. I like

1386
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:21,479
standpoint right where it is Saw in City is conjuring,

1387
01:09:21,600 --> 01:09:25,119
like creative, these money machines that like build a foundation

1388
01:09:25,319 --> 01:09:30,119
for new horror fans coming in right Where if that

1389
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:32,720
script or that movie for Chainsaw did that and even

1390
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,399
wasn't the Grays created a bunch more franchise or a

1391
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,359
bunch more Chainsaws based off that one, I'd understand. But

1392
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,840
Wan has you know, he has some buffers there, right,

1393
01:09:41,079 --> 01:09:43,399
So I'm saying we're splitting hairs and we're gonna go

1394
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:46,640
Fetty versus Rober Eggers. That does to me. If I

1395
01:09:46,720 --> 01:09:48,680
were saying that in court, people would look around and

1396
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:51,920
go guilty, you know, So I do think that to me,

1397
01:09:52,520 --> 01:09:55,039
it is a race between these two. I'm gonna give

1398
01:09:55,039 --> 01:09:58,479
her to Aggers, right, now based on just the original

1399
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:02,680
IP versus you know IP or just original versus IP,

1400
01:10:03,279 --> 01:10:09,079
and I just think the last if it's Spider Web

1401
01:10:09,199 --> 01:10:14,239
and Romulus versus Northman and not as fatu. I think

1402
01:10:14,279 --> 01:10:16,600
it's the same thing that Aggers is getting better. You

1403
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:20,159
can see him transforming into that all time great filmmakers

1404
01:10:20,159 --> 01:10:22,479
where the other people are maybe stumbling. Like we said, Ari,

1405
01:10:22,960 --> 01:10:24,680
we'll have to see with Fetti. You know, I didn't

1406
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:27,720
hear much about that call show, so we'll see. But

1407
01:10:27,880 --> 01:10:30,199
we're going over time. I will quickly let me see

1408
01:10:30,239 --> 01:10:32,840
if I can. I'll Charlie, I'll see if I can

1409
01:10:32,920 --> 01:10:35,960
quickly answer your question here and know not, we'll do

1410
01:10:36,039 --> 01:10:37,880
it the next episode because we are a little bit over.

1411
01:10:38,359 --> 01:10:39,840
But let me read it out. But I think I

1412
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,000
should be able to the only question I have for

1413
01:10:43,079 --> 01:10:45,439
this episode. Kind of a continuation from last week. Two

1414
01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,600
weeks ago, Charlie asked about what franchise he should watch

1415
01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:51,359
first time horror movies, et cetera. I watched Diaman elm

1416
01:10:51,399 --> 01:10:54,079
Street Friday thirteenth night. Elm Street was amazing. I loved

1417
01:10:54,119 --> 01:10:56,079
every moment. That's great. I love that you enjoyed it.

1418
01:10:56,399 --> 01:10:59,800
Also cool seeing John Jeps young and could be recognize him. Yeah,

1419
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:02,359
it's kind of a wild thing that you know. Obviously,

1420
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,359
lots of stars Jamie Lee, Kevin Bainan come from there,

1421
01:11:05,399 --> 01:11:07,600
but I think Johnny Depp was the biggest star to

1422
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,239
come from a horror movie. I feel like to start

1423
01:11:10,279 --> 01:11:12,800
off right, you know if and Charlie if you don't know.

1424
01:11:13,399 --> 01:11:15,800
He got that because Wes Craign was having a tough

1425
01:11:15,840 --> 01:11:18,119
time deciding who to cast, and he asked his daughter,

1426
01:11:18,159 --> 01:11:20,079
He said, Hey, who do you think is the cutest

1427
01:11:20,079 --> 01:11:22,000
one of these boys? And she picked Johnny Depp, So

1428
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:24,199
there you go, because he wanted to have that appeal, right.

1429
01:11:24,359 --> 01:11:27,640
So I found Friday thirteenth very planned and just straight

1430
01:11:27,720 --> 01:11:29,680
up boring for most of the time. Not a single

1431
01:11:29,760 --> 01:11:33,079
interesting character for me except Jason, who wasn't even in

1432
01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:35,680
it for maybe zero point five seconds. I don't know

1433
01:11:35,920 --> 01:11:38,560
if that was even for him for sure. That's the

1434
01:11:38,600 --> 01:11:41,840
only intriguing thing for me. My question is what would

1435
01:11:41,880 --> 01:11:44,479
the first series you would watch between Halloween, Nightmare and

1436
01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:46,479
Fria A thirteenth. I don't really have a preference yet.

1437
01:11:46,479 --> 01:11:47,840
All the movies were on the same level except for

1438
01:11:47,840 --> 01:11:50,399
Friday thirteenth, but maybe they have great sequels. I have

1439
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,199
no idea. Let me know your thoughts. Have a couple

1440
01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:55,560
more Halloween questions for future episodes of October. Yeah, great

1441
01:11:55,680 --> 01:11:57,600
because I saw one, and definitely we're gonna be doing

1442
01:11:58,039 --> 01:12:01,840
a Halloween episode for GV. Obviously people will stay I'm

1443
01:12:01,880 --> 01:12:04,880
biased because it's my favorite time of shining. But I

1444
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,920
think I don't think it's a hot take nightmare. I said.

1445
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:12,760
We last episode's all just reiterate, reiterate that A Bit

1446
01:12:13,239 --> 01:12:16,039
has the better sequels out of the bunch. Friday thirteenth

1447
01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:18,760
is a mix. As I said before, that is better

1448
01:12:18,840 --> 01:12:21,560
to watch with people and friends, or just watch when

1449
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,840
you are like I don't know, you're drawing, or you

1450
01:12:23,920 --> 01:12:25,880
got some taxes that do or you're doing other stuff.

1451
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:28,359
Because there is some films at our plant, especially the

1452
01:12:28,359 --> 01:12:30,079
first Friday thirteenth. When I saw on the big screen,

1453
01:12:30,119 --> 01:12:32,960
I was like, you know what, this isn't this isn't

1454
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,880
that great. I understand the time of when it came

1455
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:36,720
out and why it was important it did what it did,

1456
01:12:37,079 --> 01:12:39,039
but watching in this context, like you know what, doesn't

1457
01:12:39,039 --> 01:12:41,079
really hold up. We're Halloween to me still holds up.

1458
01:12:41,119 --> 01:12:44,000
Frive thirteenth still holds up or sorry, Nightmare still holds up.

1459
01:12:44,079 --> 01:12:46,840
So and that's where I said Halloween has some right spots.

1460
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:49,359
You know, I like four a lot, some of the

1461
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,079
you know, twenty eighteen has some good stuff. There's big

1462
01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:55,760
defenders for the rob zombie ones. But I could unequivalently

1463
01:12:55,840 --> 01:13:00,920
say that like Freddy has uh Dream Warriors which is

1464
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:03,479
the third one, and the New Nightmare, which are great

1465
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:05,640
at least a nine out of ten in my opinion.

1466
01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:08,079
So that's why I would say, definitely go that way

1467
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:11,159
out s pub says, I love text Chainsaw two and

1468
01:13:11,199 --> 01:13:13,479
I first watched Nights on theaters and it was awful experience.

1469
01:13:13,560 --> 01:13:15,239
Yeah we all have those, right because all I did

1470
01:13:15,359 --> 01:13:16,920
was watch Friday at home. But I'll be fun, it

1471
01:13:17,079 --> 01:13:20,439
was awful. The speakers were all also like worst experience

1472
01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:22,760
in my life. They turned the speakers like to the

1473
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,680
max and that movie was the loudest movie of my life.

1474
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:29,479
I'm getting PTSD right now. Friday Day is definitely the

1475
01:13:29,520 --> 01:13:32,000
week is even over for the overall franchise. And yeah,

1476
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:34,000
I think most people feel that way. I think it's

1477
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:35,960
like I said, I think that almost has to be

1478
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:37,880
a communal thing where you watched with people I've been

1479
01:13:37,920 --> 01:13:39,399
to theaters it was a good time, but at home,

1480
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,119
you know, it's tough. But yes, and that's saying Friday

1481
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:44,479
has the best remake, though absolutely you could argue that

1482
01:13:44,520 --> 01:13:46,800
as the best one out of the franchise, which you

1483
01:13:46,920 --> 01:13:49,920
usually can't write. So I would say, Charlie, especially if

1484
01:13:49,960 --> 01:13:52,279
you loved Friday the third or sorry, I keep fucking

1485
01:13:52,319 --> 01:13:55,520
that up, if you loved Nightmare on Elm Street, continue

1486
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:59,439
on even some of the ones, like to Another, prepare yourself.

1487
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:03,319
Very controversial mixed movie. I love two, especially now you

1488
01:14:03,359 --> 01:14:05,800
know I suppose says the subtext. It's not so subtext,

1489
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:09,680
but like, I love that allegory and what it goes for,

1490
01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:11,880
and I like especially I get why people maybe didn't

1491
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:13,399
like at the time because it's like this is all

1492
01:14:13,399 --> 01:14:15,239
we got for Nightmare two. But now that we have

1493
01:14:15,319 --> 01:14:18,800
like seven or eight of them, it's a very interesting movie.

1494
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:22,760
H four is like a good double bill with three, five,

1495
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:28,840
five and Freddy's Dead not not not the greatest, but

1496
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:32,920
also too and the remake not. But I could argue

1497
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:36,399
the same thing for Friday and thirteenth. Freddy versus Jason

1498
01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:40,840
an absolute fucking ball good time for a movie. So

1499
01:14:41,279 --> 01:14:42,960
That's why I'd say Charlie and even some of the

1500
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:46,279
other lesser Nightmares except for Freddy's Dead buckle up. Freddy's

1501
01:14:46,279 --> 01:14:49,239
Dead fucking sucks. In my opinion, I'm sorry, really not good.

1502
01:14:49,319 --> 01:14:51,239
Even the producers when they've you know, been doing the

1503
01:14:51,319 --> 01:14:53,840
documentary said, yeah, you know what, we kind of stumbled

1504
01:14:53,880 --> 01:14:57,640
on that one. There's still interesting ideas and kills in

1505
01:14:57,720 --> 01:14:59,840
these other ones. And it does get more comedic and

1506
01:15:00,119 --> 01:15:02,960
kind of crazy. Yes, super Freddy s bubs, but it

1507
01:15:03,079 --> 01:15:06,159
does get kind of tongue in cheek in a way

1508
01:15:06,199 --> 01:15:07,840
that you're in on it not that so bad where

1509
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,600
phrase did I think did go too far? And they've

1510
01:15:10,760 --> 01:15:12,680
even said if I recalled that other they went too

1511
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,760
far and it wasn't too funny, And then yeah, you

1512
01:15:14,800 --> 01:15:17,039
got new nightmare. So I'd say nightmare stick with that

1513
01:15:17,359 --> 01:15:19,960
a lot more gems than that. So yeah, there you go,

1514
01:15:20,239 --> 01:15:23,840
win a little longer today. So I'll be back on Wednesday.

1515
01:15:24,079 --> 01:15:25,840
If you have any questions, think about them. If not,

1516
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:27,840
we'll figure something out. I promise when you hear from

1517
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:29,279
me next and I'll not be boring