Speaker 1: What's up everyone, and welcome back to the Epstein Chronicles.
In this episode, we're gonna dive right back into the
Johanna Schoberg deposition and pick up where we left off. Menager,
I believe you saw in the police report a reference
to a friend of Jeffrey named Glenn and his wife.
Answer uh huh. Manager, do you remember them? Answer vaguely, Menager,
Tell me what you remember. Answer? I remember they had
an apartment in on Breaker's Row. I went up there
and massaged. It may have been more than once, but
I only really remember one time, but there was nothing sexual. Menager,
neither with the wife nor with Glenn. Answer right, Menager,
do you remember the apartment? Answer? I only remember that
I had to carry my massage table up some stairs. Manager,
So you actually gave the massage on a massage table?
Answer yes, Menager. Does that help you place it in
time as to when that might have occurred? In other words,
did you get your massage license at some point and
a massage table? McCauley objection Back to Schoburg. Yes, he
bought me my massage table around the time that I
went to massage school, so it could have been any
time after that if I thought really hard, I could
remember when I went to school, but I want to
say it's around two thousand and three. Menager, Nothing sexual
happened with Glenn? Answer no, Menager. Did Glenn ask you
to give him a massage on the floor of the home?
Answer I don't recall. Menager. Did you ever discuss Glenn
with Virginia? Answer not to my recollection. Menager. Did you
ever go to Virginia's home? Answer no, Menager. Do you
know where she lived? Answer no? Manager. Did she talk
about it? Answer not that I remember. Menager. Did you
see anything in your interactions with Virginia that led you
to believe that she was a sex slave? McCauley objection,
show burg ancers, No, Menager. Did you see anyone forcing
her to remain in the home? Answer no, Menager. Did
you see her look traumatized at some point? McCauley objection,
show burg ancers. No, Menager. Did you see anything that
led you to believe Virginia Roberts had been trafficked sexually
trafficked to a third party? McCauley objection, witness no, Menager.
Did Virginia ever tell you that she had been trafficked?
Answer no. McCauley objection. Manager, did you hear anyone direct
Virginia Roberts to go have sex with someone? Answer no, menager.
Did Jeffrey ever ask you to go have sex with
another person? Answer no, menager. Did Glenn Maxwell ever ask
you to go have sex with another person? Answer no, menager.
Did Glenn Maxwell ever ask you to give a massage
to someone else? Answer no, menager. Did Glenn Maxwell ever
ask you to dress up in any outfits? Answer no? Manager.
Did she ever buy you an outfit for you to
wear in terms of a sexual profile? Answer no. Manager.
Did she tell you what kind of clothes you should buy?
Answer no? Manager. Did she direct you to go get
Brazilian bikini waxes? Answer no manager. Did she direct you
to go get your teeth whitened? Answer no Manager. I
would like to mark as an exhibit I have no
recollection what number we're on? Exhibit five. The refer to
document was marked by the court reporter for identification as
Shoberg Exhibit five. Manager. Have you seen this article before? Answer?
It has followed me everywhere. McCauley. I'm sorry. Can I
just ask you to put the bait's number on the record? Manager, sure,
it's Baits marked Roberts one one three one through one
one three eight. Menager, what do you mean that it
has followed you everywhere? Answer well, if you google me,
it comes up. Manager. I wanted to just ask you
a couple of questions. On the third page, towards the bottom,
there's a photograph that begins we had a picture taken
and just to orient you, this is in the discussion
around the Prince Andrew meeting you had. Did Prince Andrew
at any other time besides the time you already described
in your testimony? Answer no, Menager. If you want to
take a look at the paragraph before I ask you
a question, answer okay, Menager. In that paragraph it describes
that Andrew Virginia sat on the chair, and then Andrew
sat on another chair and you sat on his lap.
McCauley objection, Manager, is that what it says? Answer that's
what it says, Menager. Do you recall telling that to
the reporter? Answer yes, Menager, and this was back in
two thousand and seven or so. Answer yes, Manager, As
you sit here today, does that make it? Does that
refresh your recollection that Virginia was sitting in one chair
and you were sitting in another with Andrew. Answer yeah,
if I said that, then I remember that. I'm just
trying to remember whether we were on a couch or
on a chair. I just remember the boob's part, the
hand on the boobs. Menager. I understand that that part
stands out, and I also completely understand if you don't
remember things that happened a long time ago. Answer right, Menager.
I'm just wondering if, having looked at this news article,
it refreshes your memory that Virginia was sitting in a
different place. Answer in a different chair? Menager? Does it? Answer?
It does? Say that Does it refresh my memory? Menager? Okay,
that's fine? Answer yeah, sure, menager. If it doesn't, it doesn't.
I'm just asking, did Virginia say anything to you about
having met Prince Andrew before this time in New York?
McAuley objection. Answer, she did not say, Menager. Did Prince
Andrews say or do anything that led you to believe
that he had met Virginia prior to that time? Answer
I don't recall. Mener. Did you ever see al Gore
on the island? Answer? No, Manager, did you ever see
his wife Tipper on the Island. Answer no, Manager. What
is your understanding of what the lawsuit we are here
today is about. Answer I understand that Glaine is calling
Virginia a liar, and so Glaine is suing Virginia. I'm sorry,
strike that reverse it right. Virginia is suing Golaine for defamation. Manager,
And do you know what Virginia said about Colaine? Answer
that Glaine recruited her, Menager. Do you know anything else
that Virginia said about Colaine? Answer only what was spoken
to me, Menager, And I should clarify. Don't tell me
anything your lawyer has conveyed to you. Answer exactly, That's
all I know. I've met with Virginia once last summer. Meninger, Okay,
tell me about that. Answer she there was a moderator
between us, like an investigator, and she was in Palm Beach,
and it was about Jeffrey. It was less about Golaine.
I don't remember specifically about Colaine at all. Menager. So
you met with Virginia and an investigator at the same time,
Answer yes, Menager, And they were what talking to you
about Jeffrey in context? McAuley objection Showberg answers Basically, they
were trying to find people that would help her get
her story out, because this is when Dershowitz. Dershowitz was
saying nothing was happening, and he was calling her a liar,
and she was just trying to find people to back
up her story. Menager. And what did you understand her
story to be? Did she tell you? Answer that she
was recruited to give massages, sexual massages and have sex
with people such as Dershowitz and Andrew, But I knew
none of that at the time, Menager, Right, did you
tell them anything? Did you tell them during that meeting
that you knew of anything about her being recruited to
give sex to either Jeffrey or other people? McAuley objection, Shoeburg,
can you rephrase, Menager? Yes, that wasn't a very good question.
What did you say during this meeting with Virginia and
her investigator? Answer? Basically that I believed her, even though
I she never spoke to me specifically about what was
going on that once I learned everything that had happened
based on reading the police report, I believed her side
of the story. Menager. And did she tell you what
her side of the story was? Answer? You know it's
just that she wasn't a liar. That you know she
was there to have sex with men that Jeffrey wanted
her to sleep with. Menager. Did she tell you in
that meeting who she had sex with? Answer no, Menager.
Did she name any of the famous people? Answer only
Dershowitz came up, Menainger. Did you to talk about the
incident in New York with the puppet? Answer? I don't recall, Menager.
And you formed this opinion about whether she was a
liar based on things that you've read in the police
report mcauleay objection, Schoberg. I formed my opinion based on
my experience in the house, Meninger, okay, And what experience
in the house help you form your opinion that what
Virginia is saying is true? Answer? You know Jeffrey being
open with me about what other girls did for him,
and that I was not one of theirs. He was
always trying to recruit me, almost in any way he could,
so that I could be one of them and travel
with him and live this life of luxury, if I only,
if I only did this. So after five years of
learning what was happening, I can look back knowing I
only know Virginia for a very short time. Looking back,
I can make assumptions about what was required of her. Manager.
Did she tell you how old she was when she
started working with Jeffrey? Answer she didn't. Manager. Did she
tell you how long she had worked with Jeffrey? Answer no. Manager.
Have you read all the things that have been attributed
to her in the press? Answer many of them? McAuley Objection, Schoberg,
I don't know what I've read all of them, but
i've read some. Manager. In this meeting with Virginia and
the investigator, you said Glenn Maxwell did not come up.
Answer not that, not that, I recall. Manager. Do you
know the name of the investigator? Answer Valerie Rivera. Menager,
Have you read the statement that Glenn Maxwell issued to
the press? Answer no, Manager. Do you know what it says?
Answer no. Menager. You said you have read some of
Virginia's statements to the press, but not all of them.
Answer I don't know how many there are. I know
I read something. I don't know if I read them all. Manager.
Have you read her book manuscript? Answer no. McCauley objection, Manager,
did she tell you she was writing a book? Answer no, Manager.
Did she tell you she was trying to get a
book deal? McCauley objection, Shoburg answer is no. Manager. Did
she tell you that she hired a ghostwriter? Answer no.
McCauley objection, Manager, did she tell you she hired a
literary agent? McCauley objection, Witness, no manager. Did you speak
with John Connolly? Answer yes, Manager. When did you speak
with John Connolly? Answer? He was first calling me around
the time that everything was coming out in two thousand
and six. I didn't say a lot to him, but
I did say a few things, and I asked him
not to use my name, and he used my name,
and then he quoted me as saying things that I
never said. Manager, And do you know who he quoted
things that you have never said to answer, I don't
remember the news outlet, No manager, So it was published somewhere.
Answer somewhere on the internet. McCauley. Something that you said
to John Connolly got twisted? Answer Yes, he put words
in my mouth, manager, and it was misreported and published.
McCauley objection Witness correct, Manager. Have you spoken to him lately?
Answer no. He called me again at the beginning of
last year, around New year's last year, but I did
not return his call. Manager, Do you recall what it
is he attributed to you falsely? Answer? It was mostly
about how I felt about certain things. I don't remember
specifically what he said, but he was giving an opinion
for me that I never spoke to him about, and
you did not hold. Answer Well, I can't remember what
it was, yeah, Menager. Okay, do you know whether Virginia
has lied about any of her experience? McCauley objection the witness.
I don't know that she has lied, Menager. Do you
know that she has told the truth? Answer? As far
as I know, she has. Menager. Do you know whether
the press is accurately reported everything that Virginia has said?
McCauley objection, Schoberg. I don't know, Menager. Other than John
Connolly and the police, who else have you spoken to
about your experience? Answer? Well, the woman from the deli
mal Her name is Wendy Lee manager, and that's defendants
Exhibit five, not defendant's exhibit just exhibit five. Correct. Answer correct, Menager.
Did Wendy Lee or Lay accurately report your statements? Answer?
She did a little bit of embellishment as well. But
the facts are all true, Menager? And what parts do
you believe are embellished? Answer near the end when she
was doing a summary, when she wrote, sure, I had
a good time, but I also think it damaged me
a bit. I don't recall saying that. And there's another
part in there where she said I said that I
made a deal with the devil, which I never would
have said that. The word she used, Menager on page
two of eight, it's about even with the hem of
your skirt. Answer, I made a pack with the devil
in exchange for excitement and glamour. I was only a
college student. I was hard up and foolish. That I
never said any of that. I was a college student.
That's true, hard up and foolish. I would have never
called myself foolish. Menager? Were you paid for this? Answer?
I was paid fifteen hundred dollars Menager? And how long
did the interview last? Answer? A couple of hours? Menager.
Where did it take place? Answer at Cafe blued in
the Brazilian Court Hotel in Palm Beach. Manager who else
besides one d Lee and John Connolly and the police
McAuley objection Menager and Virginia and the investigator McCauley objection.
Did you talk to about your experiences? Answer? Family and friends. Menager?
Did you speak to any other reporters? Answer? I had
other reporters calling me. I avoided most of all their calls.
I had someone coming at me, stalking me. I don't
know who he was. He offered me twenty five thousand
dollars to give a story, and I turned him down. Menager.
Who answer? He shut up in my work multiple times? Menager?
There were other stories printed in the Daily Mail, but
not by Wen delay later. Did you see any of
those stories? I'm sorry. Let me be a little clearer.
They attributed comments to you. Answer I don't recall specifically,
but I feel like I stayed on top of it
and I wasn't surprised when my name was brought up. Menager.
Do you recall giving another interview? Answer? No? Never. Menager.
Do you recall saying anything that was printed other than
John Connolly thing that you believed to be an accurate? Answer? No?
Men Was there anybody else present when you were interviewing
with Wendy? Answer? No? Manager. Was she recording it on
a recorder? Answer? Yes, manager? Have you ever heard that
recording answer no, Manager. Do you know whether the police
were recording their interview with you? Answer yes, Manager, have
you heard that recording? Answer no? All right, we're gonna
wrap this episode up right here, and in the next
episode we'll pick up where we left off. All of
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