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Let's 12 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:42.799 do some pod crashing. Episode number four seventy three is 13 00:00:42.840 --> 00:00:47.399 with Clayton Eckard and Stephanie Young from the podcast Love Trapped. 14 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:50.439 Good morning you too, Little Troublemakers. 15 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:53.359 How are you hold on? Now? Hold on? There's only 16 00:00:53.399 --> 00:00:54.640 one of us here that's in trouble Baker. 17 00:00:55.960 --> 00:01:03.399 That's oh my god. You are creating conversation out here, 18 00:01:03.399 --> 00:01:06.079 which is what I love about what it is that 19 00:01:06.120 --> 00:01:08.560 you've done with your podcast, because this is what it's 20 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.120 all about. This shows the intimacy of what a podcast 21 00:01:11.200 --> 00:01:13.640 is all about. And it also shows that hey, look 22 00:01:13.680 --> 00:01:16.319 what you think. You know, you don't, but sit down 23 00:01:16.319 --> 00:01:18.319 and have the podcast in your life, you will. 24 00:01:19.719 --> 00:01:20.599 Yeah. Yeah. 25 00:01:20.680 --> 00:01:23.079 I mean, look, Stephanie has done such an incredible job. 26 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:26.640 I think there couldn't be a better storyteller. That's that's 27 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:28.239 put this all together. I mean, how do you put 28 00:01:28.280 --> 00:01:30.400 something like this that's been dragging on for just three 29 00:01:30.439 --> 00:01:32.200 years in my own life? But then you have previous 30 00:01:32.280 --> 00:01:35.799 victims ranging back as far as ten So Stephanie will 31 00:01:35.799 --> 00:01:39.400 tell you she has thirty hours of recorded audio of 32 00:01:39.560 --> 00:01:40.560 me just alone. 33 00:01:41.159 --> 00:01:41.680 Yeah. 34 00:01:41.920 --> 00:01:43.719 Wow, I've listened to Clayton talk a lot. 35 00:01:45.319 --> 00:01:48.280 So that's your way. That's your way of pretty much. Dan, 36 00:01:48.319 --> 00:01:49.959 you could probably impersonat. 37 00:01:49.480 --> 00:01:51.200 Him, you know. 38 00:01:51.280 --> 00:01:52.959 I feel like at this point he could probably just 39 00:01:53.040 --> 00:01:54.640 get off the call and I can answer for him. 40 00:01:55.560 --> 00:01:56.959 That's very true. 41 00:01:57.480 --> 00:02:00.280 Well, Stephanie, what really drew you to this? Because we 42 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:02.799 all like drama, and we see so much of it 43 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:05.239 when it comes to reality TV, but when it becomes 44 00:02:05.239 --> 00:02:08.039 a part of our reality, I mean, you're really showing 45 00:02:08.120 --> 00:02:11.080 us something here that says, hey, awareness is keen. But 46 00:02:11.120 --> 00:02:14.240 at the same time, just understand why Stephanie would take 47 00:02:14.240 --> 00:02:14.919 a chance like this. 48 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:17.319 Listen. 49 00:02:17.479 --> 00:02:19.719 I have always loved true crime and I've always loved 50 00:02:19.719 --> 00:02:22.319 pop culture, so this was kind of the intersection of 51 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:26.520 both things. And when you actually dive into this specific story, 52 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:29.800 the twist and turns are so crazy that it's like, 53 00:02:29.879 --> 00:02:33.439 how could I have not taken this role to do 54 00:02:33.479 --> 00:02:36.159 this podcast and share Clayton side of the story. And 55 00:02:36.319 --> 00:02:38.199 you know, like I mentioned, I have talked to him 56 00:02:38.240 --> 00:02:42.199 for so many hours and hearing all the intricacies and 57 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:44.439 all the things that he went through has really been 58 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:47.120 eye opening. And it's not just been him like this. 59 00:02:47.280 --> 00:02:49.199 I want to be clear that the story, there's not 60 00:02:49.360 --> 00:02:52.039 just one victim. There's a lot of victims, and there's 61 00:02:52.080 --> 00:02:55.719 people that have also dealt with this this person who 62 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:58.960 has somehow affected their lives in a different way. 63 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:01.759 And by the by the end of the podcast, I. 64 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:05.280 Think you're going to see how many people she's actually affected. 65 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:08.759 Well, Clayton, is it one of those situations where it's 66 00:03:08.800 --> 00:03:10.719 like inside your heart, you knew what it was when 67 00:03:10.759 --> 00:03:12.520 you picked it up, but you still picked it up. 68 00:03:15.039 --> 00:03:18.599 You know, it's I honestly feel this is the way 69 00:03:18.639 --> 00:03:20.560 that I live, that everything happens for a reason and 70 00:03:20.599 --> 00:03:23.360 what's meant for me is is meant for me to experience, 71 00:03:23.560 --> 00:03:25.199 and you know, when. 72 00:03:24.639 --> 00:03:28.759 This first occurred, you know, I didn't understand why I 73 00:03:28.840 --> 00:03:29.759 was going through it. 74 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:33.199 You know, I felt that I was unfairly targeted, and 75 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:35.319 that still may be true. I don't really think anybody 76 00:03:35.360 --> 00:03:39.120 should be targeted in this manner, But nonetheless, over time, 77 00:03:39.560 --> 00:03:42.639 I've realized that it has become bigger than me. You know, 78 00:03:42.680 --> 00:03:45.479 this wasn't an isolated incident. This was something where again 79 00:03:45.560 --> 00:03:48.680 she's a perpetrator that has done this to multiple individuals 80 00:03:49.199 --> 00:03:53.680 and they had never had seen justice be served. They honestly, 81 00:03:53.719 --> 00:03:56.039 she had a stronghold on them and was you know, 82 00:03:56.120 --> 00:03:59.439 manipulating them and was not leaving their lives. I mean, 83 00:03:59.479 --> 00:04:02.599 she was just you can havoc over all these years. 84 00:04:02.680 --> 00:04:05.400 And so now we're at a point where it looks 85 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:08.719 like she may not be able to do that anymore. So, uh, 86 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:11.319 you know, again, at first, I wasn't really certain an 87 00:04:11.360 --> 00:04:13.360 understanding of why I was going through it, but I 88 00:04:13.759 --> 00:04:15.439 clearly see why I have to now. 89 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:17.720 Now we keep saying the word she. We're talking about 90 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:19.199 Susie Evans. Are we correct here? 91 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:23.120 Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no no no. 92 00:04:24.040 --> 00:04:26.040 I know The reason why I said that was because, Okay, 93 00:04:26.079 --> 00:04:27.959 because the listeners are gonna be going she she she, 94 00:04:27.959 --> 00:04:29.920 she she, and they're gonna they're gonna go to somebody 95 00:04:29.920 --> 00:04:32.120 and go, Okay, they must be talking about this. So 96 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:34.319 let's let's let's identify who she is. 97 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:37.319 Yes, she is Laura Owens. 98 00:04:38.079 --> 00:04:42.319 No, no affiliation with the with the reality TV shows. 99 00:04:42.560 --> 00:04:44.519 I was just going to say that the biggest question 100 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:47.759 I get when I do this podcast is was Laura 101 00:04:47.800 --> 00:04:50.120 a contestant on Clayton's season of the Bachelor? 102 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:52.160 And the answer is no, she was not. 103 00:04:53.079 --> 00:04:56.360 Mmm, So then then don't you just sit back and 104 00:04:56.399 --> 00:04:58.519 go what the hell happened here? I mean, it's it's 105 00:04:58.519 --> 00:05:00.720 like it's like didn't play out right there in front 106 00:05:00.720 --> 00:05:02.519 of our eyes, and we just we just kept, you know, 107 00:05:02.600 --> 00:05:04.839 just moving on because I mean, I know what goes 108 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:06.959 on behind the scenes, we just don't talk about it 109 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:08.399 that much until now. 110 00:05:10.040 --> 00:05:10.279 Yeah. 111 00:05:10.360 --> 00:05:13.000 You know, again, I would say, there's really no way 112 00:05:13.079 --> 00:05:16.120 to know that someone is going to do something, has 113 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:18.519 the capacity to do this. I mean, I've been around 114 00:05:18.560 --> 00:05:21.639 bad people, but I've never been around evil to the 115 00:05:21.680 --> 00:05:24.120 degree that what Laura Owens us. 116 00:05:24.120 --> 00:05:28.160 Is, how did you deal with this, Stephanie? Because I 117 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:30.399 know that as a journalist. It's got to move through 118 00:05:30.439 --> 00:05:32.720 your fingertips, but it has to move through your heart first. 119 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:34.920 How did you repair that in order to be strong 120 00:05:35.040 --> 00:05:37.720 enough to to basically even be sitting here today sharing 121 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:40.040 this conversation because you had to go through the same 122 00:05:40.079 --> 00:05:41.480 emotions that Clayton did. 123 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:45.160 Oh, I definitely didn't go through the same emotions Clayton did. 124 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:48.120 He had it, He had it much worse than I did. However, 125 00:05:48.639 --> 00:05:51.399 retelling the story, I can I can certainly tell you 126 00:05:51.480 --> 00:05:53.680 that there are a lot of sensitive topics that are 127 00:05:53.680 --> 00:05:56.600 discussed in this in this podcast, and a lot of 128 00:05:56.639 --> 00:05:59.920 them are directly related to women. So that is certainly 129 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:04.279 been a hard a hard thing to do navigating this podcast. 130 00:06:04.399 --> 00:06:08.560 But yeah, I would say that the emotional toll this 131 00:06:08.680 --> 00:06:11.160 story takes is I've seen a lot of people cry. 132 00:06:11.319 --> 00:06:13.759 I've cried with a lot of people, and I think 133 00:06:13.759 --> 00:06:17.040 you're going to hear that in the podcast. 134 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:19.879 And to have that key or that needle in the haystack, 135 00:06:19.920 --> 00:06:22.240 I mean, Clayton, that's one of those things where I mean, 136 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:25.160 do you think it's going to change how viewers watch 137 00:06:25.199 --> 00:06:27.759 shows like this? Or basically I think they're going to 138 00:06:27.759 --> 00:06:30.120 embrace you more. I mean I just think that they're 139 00:06:30.160 --> 00:06:32.680 going to love you more, they're going to follow you more, 140 00:06:32.720 --> 00:06:35.399 and I just feel something here that is a connection. 141 00:06:35.480 --> 00:06:38.240 Because in reality, doesn't it happen to all of us 142 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:39.879 in one way or another. 143 00:06:40.879 --> 00:06:41.959 Yes, you know it can. 144 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:44.639 And that's where again, these other victims were not from 145 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:47.600 reality television. These are people that you know, have lived 146 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:50.480 a more quote unquote normal life or maybe a watch 147 00:06:50.920 --> 00:06:54.199 life out of the spotlight. And so it can happen 148 00:06:54.240 --> 00:06:58.079 to anybody that has happened to these individuals, and so 149 00:06:58.319 --> 00:07:00.560 I just happened to be the one that had been 150 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:02.879 on reality television. It was a little bit more known. 151 00:07:03.759 --> 00:07:06.720 And so you know, again here we are today and 152 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:09.319 and you know, hopefully we have a trial upcoming with 153 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:12.920 this individual. She's you know, she's facing fourteen felony charges. 154 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:16.279 And again, this podcast is really going to take you 155 00:07:16.399 --> 00:07:20.000 right up until that point. Wow, it'll it'll pull you 156 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:22.639 up to date with everything that's going on. And then 157 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:25.680 you know, late July we have this trial and so 158 00:07:25.839 --> 00:07:27.639 the outcome is still up in the air. You know, 159 00:07:27.680 --> 00:07:30.360 we only can hope that accountability will be had, but 160 00:07:30.399 --> 00:07:32.199 that's of course out of our hands now and is 161 00:07:32.199 --> 00:07:34.920 in the you know, County Attorney's. 162 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:37.199 Hands now now, Stephanie, I'm glad that Clayton brought that up, 163 00:07:37.240 --> 00:07:40.000 because in my heart, I truly said, this is not 164 00:07:40.079 --> 00:07:41.879 going to end. It's not going to end this at 165 00:07:41.879 --> 00:07:44.279 this season. There's going to be several to follow because 166 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:47.560 this is a continuation type story and it's going to 167 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:49.800 affect other people, and I just I just can't imagine 168 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:51.839 what it's going to be like inside your imagination and 169 00:07:51.959 --> 00:07:55.120 drive to continue sharing what is going on. 170 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:59.279 I certainly hope that we have the opportunity to continue 171 00:07:59.279 --> 00:08:02.079 what's going on. Clayton mentioned that the criminal trial is 172 00:08:02.079 --> 00:08:04.079 happening in July, and my hope is that we will 173 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:07.040 get to cover that trial. But I do also know 174 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:10.319 that a plea deal was offered over the past week 175 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:12.800 or so, so if the plea deal is accepted, obviously 176 00:08:12.839 --> 00:08:14.600 there won't be a trial. So we're kind of in 177 00:08:14.639 --> 00:08:17.639 a wait and see mode as to what's actually going 178 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:19.639 to be happening with the criminal trial. 179 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:22.160 But Clayton, you already know what lawyers can be like 180 00:08:22.199 --> 00:08:24.240 when it comes to that courtroom, and it's one of 181 00:08:24.279 --> 00:08:26.079 those where they could sit there and say, yeah, you 182 00:08:26.079 --> 00:08:28.160 can have anybody in here with this Stephanie, girl, she 183 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:30.279 can't come in and because I mean, cause they're going 184 00:08:30.279 --> 00:08:32.559 to try to stall the story somehow, some way. 185 00:08:34.120 --> 00:08:35.919 Yeah, of course they are. And they've done that all 186 00:08:35.960 --> 00:08:37.960 along the way, you know. 187 00:08:38.039 --> 00:08:40.200 So it's one of those things where again you just 188 00:08:40.279 --> 00:08:42.440 have to believe that, like, hey, the people that are 189 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:43.799 going to be in the room are the right people 190 00:08:43.799 --> 00:08:46.440 in the room at the right time. We have, you know, 191 00:08:46.559 --> 00:08:49.720 made great headway as far as like getting this person 192 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:52.799 to be placed in a position where she now will 193 00:08:53.080 --> 00:08:56.679 face accountability I mean until proven. Otherwise she's in the 194 00:08:56.720 --> 00:09:00.440 hot seat and she is she is being charged or 195 00:09:00.320 --> 00:09:03.240 or has these charges over her head. So you know, 196 00:09:03.519 --> 00:09:05.879 at this point we're just waiting on time to play out. 197 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:08.039 But I would say, yeah, I mean, of course they've 198 00:09:08.080 --> 00:09:10.960 definitely tried to get people to be removed from the 199 00:09:10.960 --> 00:09:14.159 courtroom that anybody that might be able to corroborate our 200 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:18.320 story and provide additional evidence to put lock for a way. 201 00:09:19.039 --> 00:09:20.679 Of course they're doing you know, her lawyers are. 202 00:09:20.559 --> 00:09:24.320 Doing anything in their capability to give her the best 203 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:25.480 chance at getting off. 204 00:09:25.840 --> 00:09:28.639 Slap on them, Stephanie. That that was led me right 205 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:30.639 into my the question that I was feeling in my 206 00:09:30.679 --> 00:09:32.440 soul because I mean he said hot seat, and I'm 207 00:09:32.440 --> 00:09:34.559 going to oh, this hot seat could cool very quickly, 208 00:09:34.720 --> 00:09:37.039 and all it takes is one sentence or one word, 209 00:09:37.080 --> 00:09:38.639 and those lawyers are going to jump on it, and 210 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:40.200 all of a sudden, people can say what happened, what 211 00:09:40.320 --> 00:09:40.840 happened here? 212 00:09:40.960 --> 00:09:41.200 It was? 213 00:09:41.279 --> 00:09:42.919 It was it was a sheer case here that we 214 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:45.480 that we had, we had done, and then when it 215 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:46.840 cooled off, it's like, what happened? 216 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:52.039 Yeah, I mean, hopefully that doesn't happen in this upcoming trial. 217 00:09:52.159 --> 00:09:54.799 But I think one of the things with this case 218 00:09:54.799 --> 00:09:57.799 that has been so interesting to me is that there's 219 00:09:57.799 --> 00:10:00.200 so many eyes on it. There are so many we 220 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:03.519 call internet detectives that have been following along and picking 221 00:10:03.559 --> 00:10:07.679 apart every single detail on Reddit, on YouTube, on every 222 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:12.519 different social media platform. So when something happens with this case, 223 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:14.879 there are a lot of eyes on it and people 224 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:17.759 have the information pretty quickly, so we are keeping up 225 00:10:17.759 --> 00:10:19.720 to date with it as best we can. 226 00:10:20.159 --> 00:10:22.919 Please do not move. There's more with Clayton and Stephanie 227 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:27.519 coming up next. The name of the podcast Love Trapped 228 00:10:27.720 --> 00:10:31.039 with Clayton Eckert and Stephanie Young. Clayton, we live in 229 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:33.039 an age where and first of all, I want you 230 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:35.120 to know that, in my heart, Stephanie is not an 231 00:10:35.200 --> 00:10:38.240 armchair quarterback salut on this. She is an actual, honest 232 00:10:38.240 --> 00:10:40.720 to god journalist in this process of building the story. 233 00:10:40.879 --> 00:10:43.399 But I mean, how many of these armchair quarterback people 234 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:45.759 came up to you and said, there's a story here, Clayton, 235 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:49.039 but we need to share my way and not necessarily 236 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:49.879 your way. 237 00:10:51.120 --> 00:10:51.320 Yeah. 238 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:54.240 You know, I was approached before Stephanie and her team 239 00:10:54.399 --> 00:10:57.799 came to me. I was approached multiple times, and you know, 240 00:10:57.840 --> 00:11:00.399 there were a few times that I was like, no, 241 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:02.879 absolutely not, and there were other times where I said, yeah, sure, 242 00:11:02.919 --> 00:11:06.720 I think you guys can share my story. And at 243 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:08.519 the end of the day, none of them manifested for 244 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:12.600 one reason or another. And so again I just felt 245 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:15.000 that what was meant to be was going to occur. 246 00:11:15.480 --> 00:11:18.320 And so when I met Stephanie and her team, it 247 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:19.679 just it just felt natural. 248 00:11:19.799 --> 00:11:20.399 It felt right. 249 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:23.120 You know, they had the credibility they've they've they've they 250 00:11:23.120 --> 00:11:26.559 have high level productions. So for me, it was about, hey, 251 00:11:26.639 --> 00:11:29.480 let's get visibility on this because I want to go 252 00:11:29.559 --> 00:11:32.600 back to a point that was just made prior. There 253 00:11:32.639 --> 00:11:34.759 have been points in this last three years where this 254 00:11:34.840 --> 00:11:37.840 case has cooled off. And you know, right, what's so 255 00:11:37.919 --> 00:11:40.840 great about this podcast is it's going to basically build 256 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:43.600 up right until the trial, so there is no chance 257 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:44.519 for it to cool off. 258 00:11:44.600 --> 00:11:47.759 So as long as people follow. 259 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:49.840 Along at this point, we are bringing a new audience 260 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:53.240 with this podcast. And that's what I'm grateful for. Is, Look, 261 00:11:53.279 --> 00:11:55.559 I don't need anything massive to come from this other 262 00:11:55.600 --> 00:11:57.799 than I just don't want there to be a cooling 263 00:11:57.879 --> 00:12:01.480 off in the final hour because that's obviously the worst 264 00:12:01.519 --> 00:12:03.720 time for things, you know, for traction to be lost. 265 00:12:03.840 --> 00:12:05.679 And so you know, if we just. 266 00:12:05.600 --> 00:12:08.279 Get more visibility on this and there's the more eyes 267 00:12:08.320 --> 00:12:12.440 there are, the more likely that this individual is going 268 00:12:12.480 --> 00:12:14.679 to face the you know, the harshest extent. 269 00:12:14.440 --> 00:12:14.799 Of the law. 270 00:12:14.919 --> 00:12:17.279 When you say words like eyes right away, I am 271 00:12:17.320 --> 00:12:19.879 taken into a situation where it's it's like, I wish 272 00:12:19.919 --> 00:12:21.240 I could have been a fly on the wall to 273 00:12:21.279 --> 00:12:23.759 watch the eyes of you, Stephanie and your team when 274 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:27.559 another victim comes into the storyline, because in that moment, 275 00:12:27.759 --> 00:12:29.440 you had to make a choice, and you had to 276 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:31.679 make that right choice in order to keep this story 277 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:32.519 growing forward. 278 00:12:34.240 --> 00:12:35.799 Yeah, of course, I mean I think one of the 279 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:38.039 biggest things for me and this is that it wasn't 280 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:41.159 just Clayton. And when we find out about this story, 281 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:43.360 when the story goes public, it's because Clayton was a 282 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:46.559 public figure. And I think that was probably the biggest 283 00:12:46.559 --> 00:12:49.200 turning point in this entire story, because if Clayton wouldn't 284 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:51.639 have gone public, then we wouldn't have found out about 285 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:55.919 the other victims. And because because Laura did go public 286 00:12:55.960 --> 00:12:58.679 with this story and put Clayton out there saying that 287 00:12:59.000 --> 00:13:02.120 she was pregnant with his twins, we wouldn't have found 288 00:13:02.120 --> 00:13:03.480 out about the other victims. 289 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:05.279 And since we did find out about them. 290 00:13:05.279 --> 00:13:08.159 We're able to share their stories as well to create 291 00:13:08.200 --> 00:13:08.919 more awareness. 292 00:13:09.759 --> 00:13:11.519 Clayton, you're in the middle of all this. I mean 293 00:13:11.559 --> 00:13:14.399 it's like, are you writing? Are you doing something so 294 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:16.559 that your heart can stay strong and your soul can 295 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:19.200 keep moving forward and growing forward, Because I mean it's like, 296 00:13:19.240 --> 00:13:20.720 there's got to be a side of you that says, God, 297 00:13:20.840 --> 00:13:22.759 just drop it, just drop it so I can get 298 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:24.600 on with my life. 299 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:25.039 Yeah. 300 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:29.480 I actually extended an offer multiple times to her to 301 00:13:29.679 --> 00:13:33.559 drop things before she made it public. The second that 302 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:36.279 she went public and tried to publicly to fame me 303 00:13:36.360 --> 00:13:39.440 and look like, my image is a large part of 304 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:43.000 what I do. You know, every line of work that 305 00:13:43.039 --> 00:13:46.200 I work in deals with relationships. I'm in sales, and 306 00:13:46.240 --> 00:13:48.799 so the public perception of me is everything. And so 307 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:52.320 the second that she went after my public image was 308 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:54.559 the second that I said, Okay, no more, you know, 309 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:57.559 mister nice guy, no more, you know, trying to extend 310 00:13:57.600 --> 00:13:59.960 the olive branch, like I will fight fire with fire 311 00:14:01.120 --> 00:14:04.000 in order to you know, get you to understand that 312 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:06.159 you you mess with the wrong person, that you shouldn't 313 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:06.879 have done this to me. 314 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:09.120 Again, I didn't want her to go public, but. 315 00:14:09.159 --> 00:14:11.840 When she did and then we found out very quickly 316 00:14:11.879 --> 00:14:15.080 about the other victims, that's when it hit me that 317 00:14:15.279 --> 00:14:17.519 it had to go public all along, because they were 318 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:21.399 victims that you know, we're waiting or hoping and we're 319 00:14:21.440 --> 00:14:25.200 desperate for justice. And you know, with me getting pulled 320 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:26.919 into the mix, yes, I have a bit of a 321 00:14:27.000 --> 00:14:30.480 following people that watched the show and are rallying behind me. 322 00:14:30.519 --> 00:14:32.919 And that's what it's all about. This support system that 323 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:34.200 I've had along the way. 324 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:35.559 It's the only. 325 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:37.960 Reason why they are the main driver as to why 326 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:40.879 we have a podcast now. Why things have pushed as 327 00:14:40.879 --> 00:14:42.360 far as to happen. I mean, we had hundreds of 328 00:14:42.399 --> 00:14:44.960 letters being written to the county attorney to get to 329 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:46.840 pick this case up. And I know that that was 330 00:14:46.879 --> 00:14:50.080 a massive driving force towards her taking it up because 331 00:14:50.320 --> 00:14:53.159 she's getting hundreds of messages. She had to address it 332 00:14:53.440 --> 00:14:55.120 in a hearing one day. She said, Hey, guys, I'm 333 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:57.600 getting your messages. You know, we're on top of this. 334 00:14:57.799 --> 00:15:02.399 And so it's it's the internet, sleuth, it's the audience. 335 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:02.679 You know. 336 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:06.039 That's what's going and that's why accountability is right. 337 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:06.519 In front of us. 338 00:15:06.559 --> 00:15:08.559 Oh my god, Stephanie, I just can't imagine what you're 339 00:15:08.559 --> 00:15:12.279 doing with the average everyday person, because in reality, each 340 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:14.639 of us we see ourselves in this story. It may 341 00:15:14.639 --> 00:15:17.960 not be Clayton's exact story, but something has happened in 342 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.919 our own, on our own path that says, oh my god, 343 00:15:21.000 --> 00:15:23.039 if I would have done this, if I wouldn't have 344 00:15:23.080 --> 00:15:25.879 done this. Now everybody knows something that really I thought 345 00:15:25.919 --> 00:15:27.159 I was going to keep as a secret. 346 00:15:28.080 --> 00:15:30.480 And I think that that's why this story really resonates 347 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.519 with a lot of people, because there are so many 348 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:34.679 sensitive topics in it, and there's a lot of topics 349 00:15:34.720 --> 00:15:37.360 in this podcast that a lot of people have dealt 350 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:40.600 with on a personal level and can relate to those things. 351 00:15:40.639 --> 00:15:43.240 And then having to see someone go through this at 352 00:15:43.240 --> 00:15:45.080 the level that they have gone through this in this 353 00:15:45.159 --> 00:15:47.879 podcast really kind of takes you back to those moments 354 00:15:48.120 --> 00:15:49.679 in your own life. 355 00:15:49.879 --> 00:15:52.240 I got to ask you a question, Clayton. With Stephanie 356 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:54.159 knowing so much of this story, do you put her 357 00:15:54.200 --> 00:15:56.480 up on the stand this coming July? I mean, because 358 00:15:56.519 --> 00:15:58.120 she knows the freaking story here. 359 00:15:59.279 --> 00:16:01.639 Yeah, you know, that's that's not my decision to make. 360 00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:04.320 But I would say that if the you know, lawyers 361 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:08.600 felt that she, you know, could be a very great help, which, 362 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:11.039 of course, yes, she knows more than most people. I mean, 363 00:16:11.039 --> 00:16:13.120 she knows inside the mind of me as well, and 364 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:17.000 so uh yeah, she would absolutely be an integral part 365 00:16:17.200 --> 00:16:20.159 of you know, her testimony could be could be massive. 366 00:16:20.279 --> 00:16:21.879 I also just don't make those rules. 367 00:16:21.919 --> 00:16:24.799 And so if my lawyers feel that, you know, she 368 00:16:25.039 --> 00:16:26.919 she's she's going to be a great help, then of 369 00:16:26.960 --> 00:16:29.600 course I know that we would love to have her 370 00:16:29.600 --> 00:16:32.000 help out. She's already helped out greatly just by running 371 00:16:32.000 --> 00:16:32.679 this podcast. 372 00:16:32.960 --> 00:16:36.480 Your process. Stephanie amazes me because you. You really do 373 00:16:36.559 --> 00:16:40.240 come across as somebody who you land the information, But 374 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.679 there's a side of your personality that still says I 375 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:44.360 need to do a dummy check. I got to go 376 00:16:44.440 --> 00:16:45.960 back in and look one more time. 377 00:16:46.120 --> 00:16:46.639 Is that you? 378 00:16:46.720 --> 00:16:49.600 Because that's what I feel, that's who you are. You 379 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:50.200 nailed it. 380 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:52.679 There's like I said, there's so many people that follow 381 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:56.480 along with this case and know every single fact. So 382 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:58.720 for me, when I put this podcast out, one of 383 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:01.679 the things that I was really stuck on was that 384 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:05.039 I have to double and triple fact check everything because 385 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:07.599 these people know the story in and out and if 386 00:17:07.640 --> 00:17:09.440 I get it wrong, they are going to let me know. 387 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:12.839 So the fact checking process has been one of the 388 00:17:12.880 --> 00:17:14.880 most cumbersome parts of this story. 389 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:18.400 Wow, where can people go to find out more about you, Clayton, 390 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:20.680 to give you some love, to find out all sides 391 00:17:20.720 --> 00:17:23.119 of this story and so they can grow with you. 392 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:24.559 And the same is true about you, Steph. So I 393 00:17:24.599 --> 00:17:26.519 would love to find out how both of how people 394 00:17:26.519 --> 00:17:27.720 can find out about both of you. 395 00:17:28.799 --> 00:17:30.000 Yeah, I'll jump on here first. 396 00:17:30.039 --> 00:17:33.680 Look, the easiest way is I streamline everything through Instagram. 397 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:36.440 It's my handle is my first and last name. Clayton 398 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:38.440 acker last name Echard. 399 00:17:39.279 --> 00:17:40.079 You go on there. 400 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:42.960 I have a website that's where I put everything. So 401 00:17:43.039 --> 00:17:45.640