Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Speaker 1: Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His name
Speaker 1: is Tim Duckworth, a shirtless, mullet wearing, mustache growing Tim Duckworth. Listen.
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Speaker 1: I'm glad you brought the heat. I guess quickish episode today.
Speaker 1: We have a bunch of episodes in the hopper that
Speaker 1: we're going to be firing at you guys rather quickly,
Speaker 1: so expect that. Now we are a week away from
Speaker 1: the World Series of Poker. Today is Tuesday, May twentieth.
Speaker 1: Next Tuesday, it's WSP timeb today. I know Tim went
Speaker 1: down to Horseshoe and he did his whole WSP plus
Speaker 1: verification process, so we're gonna talk about that. I want
Speaker 1: his first hand experience, boots on the f and ground reporting.
Speaker 1: Let us know how it went. We'll talk about that.
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Speaker 1: all right? WASB plus verification, loading money, doing the whole thing.
Speaker 1: You went down to horseshoe, you got verified to talk
Speaker 1: me through it. How did it go? Was it a breeze?
Speaker 1: What were the hiccups? I want to know it all.
Speaker 1: I have not done it yet, and I'm sure many
Speaker 1: people out there haven't done it yet, so what can
Speaker 1: they expect to go through this process?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty simple. I was probably been the
Speaker 2: first one to do it. I was there pretty early
Speaker 2: on opening.
Speaker 1: Day giving you a number.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like a little commemorative coin or something. There's a
Speaker 2: couple GG Poker representatives down there just hanging out. But
Speaker 2: the main thing is Paris Main cage for at least
Speaker 2: another few more days. Middle of the casino, basically right
Speaker 2: under one of the Eiffel Tower legs. And I went
Speaker 2: to the cage. They were just like on that side, please,
Speaker 2: thinking I was cashing out or something. I was like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do the WSP app. She goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: come here. Gave them my player's card. I gave them
Speaker 2: my ID, told them my six digit WSP plus app number.
Speaker 2: That is, you can find that in your app. They
Speaker 2: basically linked it asked me if I wanted to deposit
Speaker 2: any money, and I said, yes, here you go. Here
Speaker 2: is twenty five hundred dollars, which I believe is the minimum.
Speaker 2: And I didn't know that at the time, so lucky I.
Speaker 1: Brought again, this makes no sense five hundred when you
Speaker 1: have events that are three hundred dollars. Yeah, but hot, okay,
Speaker 1: so hold on, you.
Speaker 2: Can withdraw it. You could deposit twenty five hundred play
Speaker 2: the Gladiator is bike out twenty Let me ask you.
Speaker 1: Is that you're and I don't know. I'm possibly I
Speaker 1: might not be asking you. I might just be asking
Speaker 1: out loud, but maybe you have answers or insights here.
Speaker 1: So everyone needs that. It is to be plus app.
Speaker 1: That's how all of this is done. Yet they have
Speaker 1: buy ins that are three hundred dollars five hundred dollars,
Speaker 1: So you can't just buy into the Gladiators for three
Speaker 1: hundred dollars via the app. You have to put twenty
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars on. That seems like quite a large disconnect,
Speaker 1: Like if the messaging out there is everyone needs this app.
Speaker 1: Get this app. This is how you're going to go
Speaker 1: through that whole registration process. I mean, and the coss
Speaker 1: is specifically, there's eighteen thousand people in that damn thing.
Speaker 1: Like how many people are going to show up with
Speaker 1: three hundred or six hundred or nine hundred dollars not
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred and be like, hey, I want to play?
Speaker 1: Oh well you need twenty five hundred to play. I
Speaker 1: mean that that that can't be a thing. I feel
Speaker 1: like that can't be.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think we've kind of touched on this before,
Speaker 2: but you know, just to finish my experience pretty quick,
Speaker 2: money was in the account, I could go buy into
Speaker 2: the mister millions, so that was fine. But no, no, no,
Speaker 2: did you No, I'm only playing the main event. I'm
Speaker 2: only playing the main event. Okay, let's it.
Speaker 1: Well, how are you gonna play the minium? Ever for
Speaker 1: twenty five hundred dollars? Buddy?
Speaker 2: I got seventy five hundred more common eventually. But another
Speaker 2: poker player there brace the winner and PGT title winner
Speaker 2: David Fonkauser looking for a W two from last year.
Speaker 2: So who's obviously a little late on his taxes? Sorry
Speaker 2: to call you out, David. I asked him. I was like,
Speaker 2: are you here for the WSP plus up as well?
Speaker 2: And he goes, what's that? So I was like, great,
Speaker 2: so explain a bit to him and he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: so we have to use that. And as he was
Speaker 2: getting his self verified for you know, finding w two
Speaker 2: and all that stuff, the cage manager was there, so
Speaker 2: he was kind of converse with, you know, between us three,
Speaker 2: and he's like, well, what do you think of this?
Speaker 2: And I say, well, it's going to be a problem
Speaker 2: for the seniors event because not everyone has an iPhone,
Speaker 2: not everyone has a phone, so that's kind of a problem.
Speaker 2: And he basically hinted that, you know, for those kind
Speaker 2: of emergency situations, will have a workaround. So my prediction
Speaker 2: is that if there will be potentially maybe one line,
Speaker 2: you know in the registration area over on Paris once
Speaker 2: the WSP starts, that's for like cash only, but it's
Speaker 2: going to be so slow that people will basically say,
Speaker 2: I never want to do this again. I'm going to
Speaker 2: load up my WSP app in all these other lines
Speaker 2: that are available so that I don't do experience that.
Speaker 2: That is my prediction, and you know, I'm guessing, mister
Speaker 2: million is we're going to have someone without an iPhone.
Speaker 2: We're going to have people without twenty five hundred dollars
Speaker 2: on them. You know, they only have a thousand to
Speaker 2: just play one bullet. You know, what are they going
Speaker 2: to do? I'm assuming maybe they'll bring down the minimums
Speaker 2: as well. You're right, we both have kind of discussed
Speaker 2: this last year with Bravo. The minimum should be really
Speaker 2: what the minimum buying of any event at the World
Speaker 2: Series is, and it actually should be less than three hundred.
Speaker 2: It should be two fifty for the two hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty Deep Stacks, right, if you're trying to get everyone
Speaker 2: under this app and everyone registered Deep Stacks is supposed,
Speaker 2: I believe, Yeah, you can well Bravo last year. Yes,
Speaker 2: I'm assuming for WSP plus you can as well, but
Speaker 2: you should if you really want everyone on this app,
Speaker 2: you need to make essentially the minimum deposit one dollar, right,
Speaker 2: Like there should be no minimum, There should be no maximum.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't see why there is a minimum,
Speaker 1: Like it should just be the stone lowest. You said,
Speaker 1: one dollar. Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 2: My only thought is that it just kind of X
Speaker 2: reduces the amount of times you have to go to
Speaker 2: the cage and therefore reduces potential future lines. So you know,
Speaker 2: you know, some people are only going to put a
Speaker 2: thousand at a time or five hundred at a time. This
Speaker 2: way kind of saves them a few visits and that
Speaker 2: you know, saves a little bit of traffic in the future.
Speaker 2: That's my only guess is why they're doing them that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, just just thinking ahead to
Speaker 1: future years, not even you know, later on this year,
Speaker 1: but future years. Like I don't and I don't even
Speaker 1: know if this is even possible or if you could
Speaker 1: ever get to this point that you know, there should
Speaker 1: just be various kiosks around where I can go up
Speaker 1: to them. There's probably a barcode scanner on them. I
Speaker 1: can pull up a barcode on my w s AP
Speaker 1: plus app, which then like basically logs me into the kiosk,
Speaker 1: and then I can just stick cash into the kiosk, yeah,
Speaker 1: instead of like having to actually go to a cage.
Speaker 1: And then you just have those everywhere all over the
Speaker 1: property and then people can just you know, put more
Speaker 1: money in or whatever as they go. So, like you said,
Speaker 1: if there are people that are like okay, I'm just
Speaker 1: going to do a thousand, then I'll do a thousand
Speaker 1: in three weeks or whatever it might be. They just
Speaker 1: don't constantly have to go up to a cage, you know,
Speaker 1: but I do.
Speaker 2: I didn't test it like I Like I said, I
Speaker 2: deposited with cold hard American USD and you can obviously
Speaker 2: to positivey other methods. There is a method for AH
Speaker 2: which is a bank transfer. It's credit cards. There's there
Speaker 2: is an option for WSP dot com, so that kind
Speaker 2: of interests me. Does that mean I can transfer my
Speaker 2: WSP dot com balance across I think that's quite good,
Speaker 2: especially when you're cashing out. So there are other methods
Speaker 2: you don't have to go and deposit cash. Once you
Speaker 2: verify and verify that your method, that's the best way.
Speaker 2: I wasn't planning on doing PayPal. I wasn't planning on
Speaker 2: using a credit card or anything like that, so I
Speaker 2: didn't really worry about any of that. But you know,
Speaker 2: at the time, I probably should have just set them
Speaker 2: all up just to see what that experience was like.
Speaker 1: Any idea on if you get payouts through the app,
Speaker 1: I feel like, I mean that would be ideal.
Speaker 2: Ideally, yes, you think of the lines for like the classes,
Speaker 2: when you cash out, you to go stand in that
Speaker 2: Not that I have experienced that in a while, but
Speaker 2: standing that payout line, you can see it wrapping, snaking
Speaker 2: around powers or horseshoe wherever they're doing the payouts. So
Speaker 2: you would hope that, you know, you could just be like, hey,
Speaker 2: you finished in eight hundredth place, he is eleven hundred
Speaker 2: dollars coming into your account. You know, go get it
Speaker 2: whenever you want so you can just move on to
Speaker 2: the next event.
Speaker 1: There was a version of this before using the Bravo TBIIC,
Speaker 1: but it it wasn't exactly the most efficient process in
Speaker 1: my because you bust out of a tournament, you have
Speaker 1: to go immediately stand in like this first line in
Speaker 1: the tournament room. Yes, with your little ticket that says,
Speaker 1: you know, ninety sixth place, and you get up to
Speaker 1: the counter. You give them your idea, your player's card
Speaker 1: and the ticket. They basically log you into the system
Speaker 1: right there, and they always tell you, especially in the
Speaker 1: big field events with tons and tons and tons of
Speaker 1: people and like thousands of people cashing, they always say
Speaker 1: you have to do this first. You cannot skip this
Speaker 1: part of the process, because this is what ultimately logs
Speaker 1: you into the system to then go collect your payout
Speaker 1: in the payout room whenever you want. So you do
Speaker 1: this first process, you stand in the line whatever, and
Speaker 1: then later on you go into the payout room, you know,
Speaker 1: which oftentimes, like you know, if I like I've cashed
Speaker 1: in the Gladiators and I've cashed in the classus, so
Speaker 1: I'll stand in this first line and then but I
Speaker 1: won't go get my payout right away. I said. You
Speaker 1: go to the payout room and there's a bazillion people
Speaker 1: in there, so it's like whatever, I'm gonna be here
Speaker 1: all summer. I'll go at a different day whatever. But
Speaker 1: then when you eventually go into that room and you
Speaker 1: go through it and you go up to the front,
Speaker 1: they say to you, or they said to you, you know,
Speaker 1: how do you how do you want your payout? Do
Speaker 1: you want cash? You want chips? Do you want it
Speaker 1: in your wsip TBIC account. So I'm assuming there you
Speaker 1: would get just a replacement of wysip plus app versus
Speaker 1: you know, w tb C. Now, ideally you would just
Speaker 1: basically remove that whole process, like you would I think
Speaker 1: the most ideal thing both on the player side, you know,
Speaker 1: from like a player efficiency standpoint and a customer service standpoint,
Speaker 1: and then also from the business side, is that when
Speaker 1: you like go through that first line and you basically
Speaker 1: get assigned to whatever place you finish it, and it
Speaker 1: should just default to go into your WASITP account, WSP
Speaker 1: plus account. And the reason why I say that from
Speaker 1: a bit on the one side, it's it's just good
Speaker 1: customer service. That's the most streamlined thing. You know that
Speaker 1: you don't have multiple lines all this sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: On the business side, you should want people to just
Speaker 1: have money in the bank at all times because then
Speaker 1: they're likely to just fire again. Yeah, like that's oh,
Speaker 1: well I just cast for two thousand and it's on
Speaker 1: this ws P plus app. Well, this is kind of
Speaker 1: funny money, right now, Let's go, let's find the next tournament,
Speaker 1: what's next, you know, let's just let's just fire it
Speaker 1: in there, Versus if I go somewhere, I have to
Speaker 1: get the money, then I have to put it back in.
Speaker 1: So I'm guessing that's going to be the case. But
Speaker 1: of course, you know, some of this stuff we're just
Speaker 1: going to kind of have to find out as we
Speaker 1: go with the whole thing.
Speaker 2: My thought is that that first part of your story,
Speaker 2: the first line, that may we may have lost that bot,
Speaker 2: but going and cashing out may still exist. That's that's
Speaker 2: kind of my theory that if they're using tablets, if
Speaker 2: the flaws are busting people, that they'll bust people from
Speaker 2: the tablet. You won't need to line up, you won't
Speaker 2: need to standing in that queue just to assign your
Speaker 2: name to the place and then go standing on the line.
Speaker 2: That's what I think.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, would you just have like one,
Speaker 1: one or two designated floor people to basically have like
Speaker 1: a scanner on their phone and they can go up
Speaker 1: to somebody and like that person pulls up the barcode
Speaker 1: on their app, you scan it in, you type in
Speaker 1: ninety six place, okay, boom that that all is done, done,
Speaker 1: see you later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I think.
Speaker 1: So I think overall that the do basitv plus app
Speaker 1: and the integration of it for the twenty twenty five
Speaker 1: DOBSIP is I think it's going to very much streamline everything,
Speaker 1: make everything much more efficient, and it's going to ultimately
Speaker 1: create a better experience for both players and for the
Speaker 1: operations and the operations are important because the more the
Speaker 1: things are streamlined on that front, the better everything runs,
Speaker 1: you know, on the front side of everything. Now, I'll
Speaker 1: say that also, there's probably gonna be some headaches and
Speaker 1: some obstacles and some hiccups here and there and growing
Speaker 1: pains and whatever. I get it, you know. So, but
Speaker 1: I do think ultimately like this is going to be,
Speaker 1: you know, pretty awesome overall, just in terms of like
Speaker 1: making everything faster, and the faster these guys can get
Speaker 1: butts and seats for everything, whether that's initial entries, whether
Speaker 1: that's re entries. It's yes, on the business side, it's
Speaker 1: more revenue for them, I get it. But on the
Speaker 1: player side, it's bigger fields, bigger prize pools, bigger payouts,
Speaker 1: you know, all that sort of stuff. Do you know
Speaker 1: if you can do this at any like Caesar's Venue
Speaker 1: or is it just Paris Horseshoe or.
Speaker 2: I believe it's just Paris. And that's what I was
Speaker 2: thinking about the other day with Caesars opening the Poke Room,
Speaker 2: planning Hollywood opening the Poke Room, definitely makes sense for
Speaker 2: this to be part of the Caesars family of properties
Speaker 2: here in Las Vegas and essentially why not all across
Speaker 2: the country. You know, if you're in Tunica, Mississippi or
Speaker 2: whatever else is the Caesars and you're coming here, maybe
Speaker 2: I don't want to bring fifty k cash, but maybe
Speaker 2: I just want to deposit it on my wsp AT
Speaker 2: while home travel, you know, either I'm driving or flying
Speaker 2: without that cash and without that burden of having to
Speaker 2: watch that money and then go stop playing WSOP events.
Speaker 2: So that's one thing I'd probably suggest for future use.
Speaker 2: Obviously there's going to be some finance and accounting issues there,
Speaker 2: but property to property, it's, as we've been told a little,
Speaker 2: a little easier for that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, it sounds like everything went well with you.
Speaker 1: I've not done it yet.
Speaker 2: You need to do it, do it quickly, real quick.
Speaker 2: Did you see that like thread about the credit cards
Speaker 2: that I chimed in on yesterday?
Speaker 1: No, but let me let me say that I heard
Speaker 1: on the Gamble Up podcast with Adam Schwartz and David
Speaker 1: od b Baker that one of their mutual friends, Terrence Chan,
Speaker 1: who lives in Canada, did the whole plus thing, and
Speaker 1: I believe deposited or registered or whatever with a credit card,
Speaker 1: and there was no fee.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the thing. Right now, they're saying there's
Speaker 2: no fees, which is you know, it's promoted that way
Speaker 2: on the website. It's hard to believe that there would
Speaker 2: be no three percent vge like there has been in
Speaker 2: previous years, but a lot of players are taking advantage
Speaker 2: of it. Poker dot Org's Terrence Reid was one of them,
Speaker 2: and it started a thread. You know, Steph Chung who
Speaker 2: plays out PGT events, basically like what is the gto
Speaker 2: you know, credit card to use here? And people A
Speaker 2: couple of people are responding, and I kind of chimed in, knowing,
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit about financing credit cards, like
Speaker 2: it's not just the credit card you use, you got
Speaker 2: to think of like new credit cards, sign up bonuses.
Speaker 2: And she's like, any suggestions, best I can find is
Speaker 2: two percent cash back. So I obviously did not spend
Speaker 2: that much time doing this. I quickly looked. I went
Speaker 2: to AMX because they have the most craziest ones. Basically,
Speaker 2: you can get thirty five percent rake back, right, and
Speaker 2: let me explain. Let's say she a PLO player.
Speaker 1: Let's say she let me before you say anything, this
Speaker 1: is not financial I want to make sure that we're
Speaker 1: not getting in any trouble. This is not financial advice.
Speaker 1: And I also want to make it clear that the
Speaker 1: guy talking is the guy with the Australian accent, not
Speaker 1: the guy with the American accents. Have you blame the boat? Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go.
Speaker 2: Okay, she's going to buy into the ten K PLO Championship.
Speaker 2: That's ten thousand dollars if you open up the new
Speaker 2: Amex Platinum Card. Six hundred and ninety five dollars fee.
Speaker 2: Sounds extravagant, sounds like a lot. I know, I get it,
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure you don't have to pay for
Speaker 2: twelve months. Now, if you spend eight thousand dollars in
Speaker 2: the first there's like a certain amount of period. You'll
Speaker 2: obviously do that. With the ten K you receive an
Speaker 2: upgraded one hundred and seventy five thousand Amex membership points, which,
Speaker 2: depending how you redeem them, is value between seventeen hundred
Speaker 2: and like thirty five hundred dollars. So let's just say
Speaker 2: you redeem them as efficient as possible. We're getting thirty
Speaker 2: five hundred dollars back. Now, let's take off the seven
Speaker 2: hundred dollar fee. Okay, now we're down to twenty eight hundred,
Speaker 2: but you get a two hundred dollar hotel credit, a
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars airline credit, a two hundred and forty
Speaker 2: dollars digital entertainment credit, one hundred and fifty dollars Walmart credit,
Speaker 2: two hundred dollars zuper cash. You also get the one
Speaker 2: X points, which is not as good some other cards,
Speaker 2: but look at all the other sign up bonuses, so
Speaker 2: basically it equates to thirty five percent ish rakeback. Now
Speaker 2: conditions apply as always, I didn't read any of the conditions.
Speaker 2: Some of these new sign up bonuses are like you
Speaker 2: have to hit certain categ like spend in each category
Speaker 2: you know, or spend a minimum in each category. So
Speaker 2: maybe she needs to go buy a pack of gum
Speaker 2: at the Shell service station and then you know, buy
Speaker 2: a Starbucks coffee. But in a nutshell, you could potentially
Speaker 2: get thirty five percent rake back on one tournament. Who
Speaker 2: knows if it will work out, but hey, there is
Speaker 2: ways to gain a little bit out there until the fee.
Speaker 2: The three percent fees are at it. But if you
Speaker 2: use a normal credit card, like you know, you and
Speaker 2: me have an out wallet we're probably getting three percent
Speaker 2: or five percent cash back. Anyway.
Speaker 1: I heard them say on the gamble of podcast that
Speaker 1: there was no fee, and immediately I was like, Okay, well,
Speaker 1: I'm buying into the main event this year on my
Speaker 1: credit card because I get points, right. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: not as exorbitant as as the bonus that you were mentioning,
Speaker 1: But still, like, why if it's no credit card fee,
Speaker 1: if that is truly true, then why would I not
Speaker 1: do that. I'll just take the ten k cash that
Speaker 1: I have and snap pay off my like literally as
Speaker 1: soon as it hits the statement, I will just pay
Speaker 1: off that that part of it, and then you know,
Speaker 1: I get those those bonus points or bonus dollars or
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. So I don't know why, like,
Speaker 1: literally everyone wouldn't be taking advantage of that. Now. Of course,
Speaker 1: if you're if you're prone to possibly letting credit card
Speaker 1: bills getting out of control and you don't attack them
Speaker 1: right away and all that sort of stuff, like, yes,
Speaker 1: don't do it, just do the cash route. I get it.
Speaker 1: I also thought that, you know, kind of because because
Speaker 1: I started thinking of the same thing that you were
Speaker 1: thinking of, I didn't see that thread but you know,
Speaker 1: I was kind of still thinking, like, well, this is
Speaker 1: obviously an advantage point for a lot of people to
Speaker 1: to be able to get additional bonuses, dollars, points, whatever
Speaker 1: it may be. You know, why doesn't doubs be plus?
Speaker 1: Just build that in like if you if you put
Speaker 1: them enough money on or you start playing enough tournaments
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, you kind of build up like
Speaker 1: points and then you can, you know, eventually you can
Speaker 1: turn those points into I don't know, a tournament entry,
Speaker 1: or you can turn you know, turn them into a
Speaker 1: food voucher or whatever it may be. Now, it doesn't
Speaker 1: have to be anything you know, as crazy as like
Speaker 1: you know, initial credit card offers are. But you could
Speaker 1: do some sort of small kickback for the players, right
Speaker 1: and just again just to really entice people to to
Speaker 1: use the app and to use it more often. You know,
Speaker 1: that could be That could be a good thing.
Speaker 2: I mean, you could do something also with the Seasons
Speaker 2: credit card. You know, I'm looking at that sign on
Speaker 2: page right now. You get ten thousand world credits, five
Speaker 2: thousand tier credits if you spend five K, and then
Speaker 2: you get upgraded to Platinum, some other bonuses. But you
Speaker 2: could have it built into a Caesar's credit card, so
Speaker 2: you get people signing up there and basically get them
Speaker 2: to give the benefits to the WSP PLUS players that
Speaker 2: use that credit card to sign up. So you could
Speaker 2: really make this like a whole all encompassing project with
Speaker 2: how you get money on there and really make it
Speaker 2: benefits plus and their players.
Speaker 1: Definitely again not financial advice.
Speaker 2: Not financial advice.
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Speaker 1: the platform and then the Poker Goro YouTube channel. So
Speaker 1: the best way to get one hundred percent of everything
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Speaker 1: hit on that a little bit more in a second.
Speaker 1: So the headlining thing is a daily coverage of the
Speaker 1: Waspmion event in July second, I believe it is, second
Speaker 1: through the sixteenth. There's also going to be more than
Speaker 1: two dozen additional bracelet events that are going to be highlighted,
Speaker 1: including the fifty k PPC, which at least right now,
Speaker 1: of course, all this comes with, you know, subject to change,
Speaker 1: because bazillion things change every single day at the World
Speaker 1: Series of Poker, but fifty k PPC we're planning multiple
Speaker 1: days of coverage once again. We're also planning multiple days
Speaker 1: of coverage for the two hundred and fifty k Super
Speaker 1: high Roller we got one hundred thousand dollars high Roller
Speaker 1: on the schedule. You got the new twenty five k
Speaker 1: Nolan Hold Them Slash Plo half and half high Roller
Speaker 1: that's on there. We got the twenty five k heads Up,
Speaker 1: we got the Ladies Championship, Mystery Millions, Monster Stack, Millionmaker Colossus.
Speaker 1: So so pretty much everything it is, it is weighted
Speaker 1: towards Nolamit hold Them. You know, I know that there
Speaker 1: has been some pushback out there from a select handful
Speaker 1: of people about that specifically, and I guess I don't
Speaker 1: care about the pushback. I mean, listen, no one does
Speaker 1: more mixed game coverage than poker go in a calendar year.
Speaker 1: No one. It's not even remotely close. We know that
Speaker 1: the mixed game tournaments at the DO RESIP are an
Speaker 1: absolute logistical nightmare from a streaming perspective, just because it's
Speaker 1: they take too long. They go to you know, additional
Speaker 1: days like it's just a lot. Okay, of course, we'll
Speaker 1: try and work them in where we can. One of
Speaker 1: the best things that we do, in my opinion, is
Speaker 1: the multiple day coverage of the fifty k PPC. You know,
Speaker 1: you don't just get the final table you're likely going
Speaker 1: to get days three, four, and then five, so that's
Speaker 1: really good. And then you know, if big names make things,
Speaker 1: things can change around and we'll do what we can.
Speaker 1: And then also listen the masses, like the Nolamitt hold
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Speaker 1: you want us to say? I mean, I feel like
Speaker 1: every year we get yelled at about not doing mix
Speaker 1: game coverage, Yet we see the numbers and I'm like, well,
Speaker 1: you guys don't feel I feel like you're not showing
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Speaker 1: let's go all right. Thoughts on the streaming schedule, sir,
Speaker 1: I know you're the you're the puzzle person. You. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you put this thing together. It's a it's a giant puzzle,
Speaker 1: is really what it is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, obviously relying on where WSP puts
Speaker 2: their events. Some events with just handcuff we can't show
Speaker 2: and some were kind of have to show. And we
Speaker 2: know what we you know, we we know we want
Speaker 2: to do the fifty k. We know we want to
Speaker 2: do the two fifty and then we kind of feel
Speaker 2: in the pieces around that and it is very no limit,
Speaker 2: hold them heavy. But I think that's fine. I think
Speaker 2: it's a decent you know schedule. We have those six
Speaker 2: days of non final table coverage, which is always I
Speaker 2: think very popular for both the players and also the
Speaker 2: fans at home. So you know, we're doing day two
Speaker 2: coverage of the twenty five K hi Roller, fifty K
Speaker 2: high Roller, one hundred K high Roller, and two fifty
Speaker 2: K high Roller, so you know, you want to come
Speaker 2: see the best in the world battle it out on
Speaker 2: day two in of the money and then towards the
Speaker 2: final table you got to come to Poker Go and
Speaker 2: then obviously like you touched on day three and four
Speaker 2: of the PPC before the final table. So there's all that,
Speaker 2: and then we have some new events on that we
Speaker 2: haven't done before. We have the twenty five K half
Speaker 2: and half you mentioned, you know, we're doing the one
Speaker 2: K Battle of Ages they're both new events for this year,
Speaker 2: and for the first time, we're doing the the three
Speaker 2: K nine game mat mix a little you know, a
Speaker 2: little lead into the PPC, and then we also have
Speaker 2: the Seniors high Roller which also which could be a
Speaker 2: fantastic event. I'm looking forward to that one. So yeah,
Speaker 2: some new events, some classic ones. It's gonna be a
Speaker 2: great summer.
Speaker 1: I still care believe they don't call it the Mini PPC.
Speaker 1: I just can't believe it.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: So it's touch a layer, it is it really is
Speaker 1: for an operation that loves the gimmicks. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: this is just it's the layup of all layers.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I just don't get it.
Speaker 2: And I think we you know, along with these you know,
Speaker 2: marquee events, these these high roller events, we've also got
Speaker 2: ones where we're going to see people turn you know,
Speaker 2: three hundred dollars, one thousand dollars, five hundred dollars into
Speaker 2: millions potentially. We have that one K Mystery Millions, we
Speaker 2: have the one point five k million maker, we have
Speaker 2: the fifteen hundred months to stack. We have that three
Speaker 2: hundred gladiators of pokers. So you're not going to get
Speaker 2: unlikely to see the day on the grandos and feel
Speaker 2: helmeless at that table. But it's gonna be great. There's
Speaker 2: gonna be big, a big first prize, a bunch of
Speaker 2: probably amateur poker players at that at those final tables,
Speaker 2: but it's going to be I think those streams are
Speaker 2: always the best ones to watch in my opinion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I love those ones, you know, I
Speaker 1: mean I love it all, don't get me wrong. But
Speaker 1: you know, the the massive ROI tournaments, the small buying,
Speaker 1: huge score, massive fields, you know where you get the
Speaker 1: complete unknowns that the guys that are really chasing their dreams,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's really what it's about for me. So
Speaker 1: so yeah, incredible stuff. I mean, I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 1: Of course, it's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm
Speaker 1: going to be as glued to it as possible as
Speaker 1: you and I always are. And yeah, I can't wait,
Speaker 1: absolutely cannot wait. So become a prot Grow subscriber today
Speaker 1: and tell them we sent you, because then it looks
Speaker 1: good on us. All right, first gold bracelet of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five has actually already been awarded. Did you know
Speaker 1: that I did? Of course you did. I was I
Speaker 1: was joking it goes to a guy who started the
Speaker 1: final table near the bottom of the ship counts in
Speaker 1: the event. And the event was the Doubyssip Tournament of
Speaker 1: Champions and it's Kevin Lee, a Canadian player. He qualified
Speaker 1: via the WYSSIP circuit. He ran it up over at
Speaker 1: Commerce Casino and won the TOC for in even two
Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars. This is a million dollar free roll.
Speaker 1: I think there's around eleven hundred or twelve hundred possible
Speaker 1: players that can play in it. I think that's what
Speaker 1: I heard or saw or whatever. But ultimately four hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty five entries played in it, So I guess
Speaker 1: pretty decent value if you're one of the players that
Speaker 1: actually made the trek to La to Commerce Casino to play.
Speaker 1: So yeah, Kevin Lee two hundred k up top. He
Speaker 1: defeated Sean Rice in second place, Don Don Don Chiaglo,
Speaker 1: third place, Danny Seppiel we all know him, fourth place,
Speaker 1: Kara pet Galassian the fifth place, Maxwell Young's Yang Zoo seventh,
Speaker 1: Kevin Lemmer eighth, and then Scott Stewart WPT World Championship winner.
Speaker 1: Scott Stewart finished in ninth place. You know a lot
Speaker 1: of those names there you probably don't recognize, but that's
Speaker 1: you know, this event is really about. I would say
Speaker 1: it's mostly about like the WSB circuit grinders, you know.
Speaker 1: So a lot of these guys don't get the biggest
Speaker 1: shine in the spotlight, but this is kind of an
Speaker 1: opportunity for them to do so. At the final table,
Speaker 1: Lee entered as one of the short sacks. He ultimately
Speaker 1: doubled through Galistean. I think it was king nine versus
Speaker 1: a eight. He had a king on the turn. I
Speaker 1: was reading the updates over at poker dot org. Hit
Speaker 1: a king on the turn despite Galstian floppingion eight, and
Speaker 1: then ended up doubling from there. Seemed to kind of
Speaker 1: be the turning point for him. He went on to
Speaker 1: eliminate a bunch of players, he gets heads up with
Speaker 1: Sean Rice, He's able to close it out. He did
Speaker 1: mention afterwards that he felt that it was a real
Speaker 1: blessing for him to be there. This was a streamed
Speaker 1: event on where was it on the Bally's stream channel
Speaker 1: on YouTube? I can't remember exactly, but it was stream
Speaker 1: so if you want to check it out, you can
Speaker 1: go check it out for sure. And yeah, it ultimately
Speaker 1: the first bracelet of the twenty twenty five DOBASIP season,
Speaker 1: which you know sets the tone for everything that is
Speaker 1: to come. Again, we are a week out from the WASP.
Speaker 1: Kevin Lee won this a couple of days ago out
Speaker 1: at Commerce, So I'm gonna throw things to you, sir.
Speaker 1: Where do you think the TOC stands in terms of prestige?
Speaker 1: You know, is it a real bracelet event in your eyes?
Speaker 1: I know there's a conversation about that. You know, is
Speaker 1: it just basically a free roll with a glorified trophy?
Speaker 1: Should it give away a bracelet?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What are your overall thoughts on this event?
Speaker 2: It's definitely a bracelet. I mean they're going to give
Speaker 2: bracelets out to this fit like to events in Pennsylvania,
Speaker 2: then this is definitely a bracelet. Has a lost some prestige,
Speaker 2: I guess compared to what it used to be, Yes,
Speaker 2: But as you mentioned, it's mainly circuit players from all
Speaker 2: around the country, all around the world, So this is
Speaker 2: probably pretty cool event to be a part up and
Speaker 2: something that they, you know, strive to qualify for throughout
Speaker 2: their season, just like we talk about the PGT Championship.
Speaker 2: It's the same kind of concept. We know our players
Speaker 2: really want to make and qualify for that. And I
Speaker 2: would assume the four hundred and eighty five entrants have
Speaker 2: played this, we're all like excited to play and you know,
Speaker 2: firstly qualify and then and then head down to commerce
Speaker 2: to play. So I think there's still some prestige. It's no,
Speaker 2: it's not the same as it used to be, even
Speaker 2: when it was at you know, at the end of
Speaker 2: the World Series in Vegas. But I still think there's
Speaker 2: nothing wrong with it. I think it serves its purpose,
Speaker 2: which is rewarding mainly the circuit grinders out there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, if they want to give out
Speaker 1: a bracelet for this one, go for it, you know.
Speaker 1: And then I would also say that if they say
Speaker 1: the bracelet counts, then it counts. Let's just get that
Speaker 1: out of the way. That's just the nature of the beast.
Speaker 1: I do think it's it's somewhat of a gimmicky type
Speaker 1: of bracelet that to attach it to this. I do
Speaker 1: enjoy the fact that the circuit grinders get this as
Speaker 1: as kind of that that treasure at the end of
Speaker 1: the rainbow, like that they can go for, they can play,
Speaker 1: you know, they can compete in all that sort of stuff. Ultimately,
Speaker 1: I just think it should be at the divisipy. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's my my next question to you is, you know,
Speaker 1: do you like that it's held at Commerce? Does it
Speaker 1: help or hurt it?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts there?
Speaker 2: I mean, the one option is getting down at nine
Speaker 2: to eight or seven, whatever number you want, and then
Speaker 2: doing doing the delay and finishing it at the World
Speaker 2: Series on May first, the May nine, or the May seven.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying it's in Vegas, not too but you know,
Speaker 2: obviously they have a partnership with Combas Casino. They're trying
Speaker 2: to make that the concluding season ending stop, and it
Speaker 2: does make sense to have the TOC there, whether you know,
Speaker 2: we really like it or not.
Speaker 1: Okay, So my question to you is, I guess I
Speaker 1: have a couple of questions. One, why do you need
Speaker 1: the TOC to be part of this season ending stop?
Speaker 1: Can't you obviously if there's some sort of financial aspect
Speaker 1: between the two partners, which they're likely is I feel
Speaker 1: like you can still achieve that by just having a
Speaker 1: w SP circuit stop, Like you don't need the Tournament
Speaker 1: of Champions there. Yeah, but then I would think.
Speaker 2: Players want go to commerce to play the other events.
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, but like you're still Commerce always draws
Speaker 1: very well. It's la like it's gonna draw very well
Speaker 1: if you put together a good schedule events, you have
Speaker 1: a decent guarantee, Like ultimately, I think it's gonna draw.
Speaker 1: I don't think getting you know, twenty five people from
Speaker 1: Vegas to you know, Chrek out there, like the Jeremy
Speaker 1: Becker's of the world, really is going to affect their
Speaker 1: bottom line all that much. I just I just don't
Speaker 1: think so.
Speaker 2: I think the biggest issue they really have is the
Speaker 2: announcement of this event. World Series came out in what
Speaker 2: was it, late February. Here's the schedule, you know how
Speaker 2: people act, okay and book here are the events I play.
Speaker 2: I need one hundred and twenty five thousand. I'm going
Speaker 2: to fly out this date, come back this date. When
Speaker 2: you delay the announcement of this which was you know
Speaker 2: that happened in the last two years, and it's significantly earlier,
Speaker 2: you know than the World Series, pretty much nearly two
Speaker 2: weeks earlier, people aren't going to travel the BRACEI of
Speaker 2: winners from Europe or from South America or even people
Speaker 2: here in the United States on the East Coast or
Speaker 2: down in Florida wherever it is. Do they really want
Speaker 2: to come to LA fly back or do they want
Speaker 2: to come to LA and then find accommodation for a
Speaker 2: week and start the World Series. So a little bit
Speaker 2: more harmony in the announcements would go a long way.
Speaker 2: Or essentially, you know, there's no reason why you couldn't
Speaker 2: play this this weekend, so it's literally on the doorstep
Speaker 2: of the WSP so that you know you can get
Speaker 2: everyone coming in for the weekend playing this World Series
Speaker 2: starts on Tuesday. I think you mentioned there was what
Speaker 2: six hundred people that didn't play this event that qualified.
Speaker 2: That would probably go a long way to getting some
Speaker 2: percentage of those six hundred to participate in the TOC,
Speaker 2: because in a perfect world, they want everyone playing, just
Speaker 2: like for our PGT Championship, we want everyone playing. But
Speaker 2: things come off with people, so you have to do
Speaker 2: what you can to try and make that happen.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I understand. On one hand, you know,
Speaker 1: you get a fresh audience, change of venue. I personally
Speaker 1: love Commerce. I think it's iconic with a lot of
Speaker 1: courts and everything. I just you know, I like it.
Speaker 1: I like the grungy aspect of it all. You know,
Speaker 1: like I don't know, I just I always have it was.
Speaker 1: It's a lot of it is just nostalgia. You know.
Speaker 1: It was such a big venue on the poker scene,
Speaker 1: you know, be it paired with the WPTL Poker Classic
Speaker 1: for so long. You know, it was like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: this is commerce. Not only does it have this massive
Speaker 1: World Poker Tour tournament that you know when we were
Speaker 1: kind of all getting into poker, was you know, forefront
Speaker 1: of all like TV and all that sort of stuff,
Speaker 1: but also like it was home to some of these
Speaker 1: big crazy cash games and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: So I just I like that aspect of it, right.
Speaker 1: You know. Obviously there's a financial element at play here,
Speaker 1: probably with with you know, Caesar Slash w c AP
Speaker 1: and and Commerce, so you have that aspect, But I
Speaker 1: still think you can check many of those boxes by
Speaker 1: just having like a robust, essentially season ending WSIP circuit
Speaker 1: stop at Commerce and then just keep the TOC in
Speaker 1: Vegas and then I guess a quick aside here, the
Speaker 1: whole season ending thing is also a little bit silly
Speaker 1: because you have an event going on in Southern Indiana
Speaker 1: at the same time. So I don't even understand. You
Speaker 1: have the Commerce WSIP circuit event from May eighth to
Speaker 1: May twenty fourth, but then you have a Caesar Southern
Speaker 1: Indiana one from May eighth to nineteen, So I don't
Speaker 1: I don't understand how that really works out, like and
Speaker 1: why you would ever do that, Like I would, I
Speaker 1: would blow something up at Commerce right, Like, listen, this
Speaker 1: is the this is the season ending event and the
Speaker 1: marketing pitch. If you're worried about for example, you know
Speaker 1: you said maybe they're worried about getting those players to
Speaker 1: travel out there, Well how about just positioning it is
Speaker 1: this is your final chance to qualify for the TOC
Speaker 1: That's the pitch. You know, maybe you slap maybe every
Speaker 1: you know, every circuit event has what a sixteen hundred
Speaker 1: dollars buying, Maybe this one's twenty five hunt you know
Speaker 1: for the end, and yeah, you can have some other
Speaker 1: events on the schedule too. I think Commerce and that
Speaker 1: market that region can certainly handle a very robust schedule.
Speaker 1: Slap a little bit of a bigger guarantee on it,
Speaker 1: like you could go twenty five one hundred and five
Speaker 1: million guarantee. I think you could hit with that for
Speaker 1: sure in La Let's go, I think that that could
Speaker 1: certainly work, So do something like that. I think having
Speaker 1: it in Vegas is just you get more shine, more
Speaker 1: spotlight on the event. I think the idea of like
Speaker 1: essentially winning a trip to Vegas like in a way,
Speaker 1: I know you ultimately still have to travel there and whatever,
Speaker 1: but like, there is only a small group of the
Speaker 1: community that wins the exclusive right to play in this tournament,
Speaker 1: So why not do that in Vegas, which then ultimately
Speaker 1: like you get some of those people to fire more
Speaker 1: stuff in Vegas at the doubasp. So I think I
Speaker 1: think it just feels disconnected to me, you know, I
Speaker 1: would rather kind of all be in Vegas. Like, you know,
Speaker 1: I didn't really see too much coverage of this, you know,
Speaker 1: it took wasop dot com didn't have a winter story
Speaker 1: up for a day or two, like poker dot Org
Speaker 1: was the only one that had a winter story up
Speaker 1: about the Kevin Lee winning it. You know. It's also
Speaker 1: to me it seems a little bit weird that you
Speaker 1: have the TOC, but then the Tournament of Champions or sorry,
Speaker 1: you have the TOC and then the regular main event
Speaker 1: at Commerce finishes out, It's like, I don't, I don't
Speaker 1: kind of understand. I mean, like you can throw out
Speaker 1: the idea of a season ending event, but is it
Speaker 1: really ending the season because I don't is it not?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. It's kind of just confusing
Speaker 1: and disconnected to me. So I would I would move
Speaker 1: it to Vegas. I would make kind of a celebration
Speaker 1: of the whole thing, you know, do it up really big,
Speaker 1: you know, make sure that it was streamed out of Vegas,
Speaker 1: because I think that, you know, you would want to
Speaker 1: make it so that those people get their quote unquote
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes in the spotlight that make the final table.
Speaker 1: So I would try and do all those sorts of
Speaker 1: things versus just kind of in a way, ushering it
Speaker 1: off over here in La at Commerce. I also do
Speaker 1: think if it is in Vegas, you're going to get
Speaker 1: more people in it, right, you know, like you said,
Speaker 1: people people might be like, Okay, I'm going to Vegas
Speaker 1: for six weeks. Now I got to make this trip
Speaker 1: to LA I mean, okay, I'll pass on that and
Speaker 1: I'll just I'll just go to Vegas, like I would
Speaker 1: be curious to know how many of those people there
Speaker 1: are there are out there. So so yeah, those are
Speaker 1: our thoughts on the TOC and congratulations to Kevin Lee,
Speaker 1: first bracelet winner of twenty twenty five. All right, speaking
Speaker 1: of bracelets, did you know that Sean Deeb gives away
Speaker 1: all of his bracelets?
Speaker 2: Did you know that I knew he gave away bracelets.
Speaker 2: I didn't know he had given away all his bracelets.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did not know until there was an article
Speaker 1: that dropped recently on pokernews dot com. Chad Holloway, a
Speaker 1: friend of ours, did the article. He spoke with Sean
Speaker 1: Deeb and yeah, Sean deep is a six time DISSIP
Speaker 1: Gold bracelet winner. The twenty twenty five DOASIP is right
Speaker 1: around the corner, so you know he's one of the
Speaker 1: favorites of course to add to his tally, And he
Speaker 1: chatted with Chad and you know, of poker News to
Speaker 1: explain why he's given away every single bracelet that he's won.
Speaker 1: I mean, I was kind of shocked. I read the
Speaker 1: story and I thought it was also kind of cool.
Speaker 1: You know, he's given him away to family, to close friends.
Speaker 1: Most recently, I think he gave the one away in
Speaker 1: the honor of his really good friend and the late
Speaker 1: Theyer Rasmussen. You know, his bracelet recipients include his grandma, wife, dad, uncle,
Speaker 1: friend battling cancer. All this was was in the story,
Speaker 1: of course, the one that he gave in honor of
Speaker 1: the late theyer Rasmussen went to Thayer's family and then
Speaker 1: it actually turns out that I believe Thayer's mom wanted
Speaker 1: like everyone to have it, so they broke it down. Basically,
Speaker 1: they had like a jeweler to break it down, I guess,
Speaker 1: and then everyone kind of got to take different pieces.
Speaker 1: I think it was ultimately nine pieces where we're given
Speaker 1: out to the different family members, so that was kind
Speaker 1: of cool. He only plans to keep a bracelet if
Speaker 1: it's the w Spey main event or the fifty k
Speaker 1: PPC calls those ones the only ones that matter enough,
Speaker 1: so we'll see if ultimately that happens. You know, if
Speaker 1: anyone's got a shot to win one of those two tournaments,
Speaker 1: I would say Sean Deeves, you know, right there as
Speaker 1: one of the favorites. And then he also mentioned that,
Speaker 1: you know, should he win another bracelet, it's likely that
Speaker 1: his kids are next in line, but because he has
Speaker 1: multiple kids, he's gonna need to win multiple bracelets in
Speaker 1: a year, so there's no kind of rivalry going on.
Speaker 1: Do you think giving away bracelets like deep does do
Speaker 1: you like? Do you think that makes the win more meaningful?
Speaker 1: Does it possibly diminish the result or the bracelet?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: What do you think about this sort of representation?
Speaker 2: I think it makes it more meaningful or diminishes it
Speaker 2: at all. It's an individual kind of choice. Some people
Speaker 2: like trophy, some people don't. You know, we hear so
Speaker 2: many stories about bracelet winners losing their bracelet or putting
Speaker 2: it in a safety positive safety to posit bux and
Speaker 2: forgetting about it or giving it to you know, their dad.
Speaker 2: You know. Then you've got players like Nigrano that have
Speaker 2: him all displayed in his office. Right, So I think
Speaker 2: each to their own, do whatever you want. You can
Speaker 2: care about him as much as you want. You know,
Speaker 2: you'll always remember that you want, right, It's always etched in,
Speaker 2: etched in WSP history, so it's not going anywhere. And
Speaker 2: I'm guessing that for all these people he gave it to,
Speaker 2: it kind of means probably more to them than it
Speaker 2: does to to Sean.
Speaker 1: I think it probably just depends on your relationship with
Speaker 1: the game ultimately. I think I think it also gives
Speaker 1: a little bit of a look into Sean Dieve as
Speaker 1: a person, as a character, you know, meaning that he
Speaker 1: obviously cares about his relationships. I think he's got you know,
Speaker 1: strong ties to family, to friends, and they're all rooted
Speaker 1: in his foundation here. So I don't think that you know,
Speaker 1: gifting bracelets away like this cheapens it in any sort
Speaker 1: of way. It just simply repurposes the value with things.
Speaker 1: It's it's not necessarily that this bracelet, which is ultimately
Speaker 1: the trophy in this space, that's not really the win.
Speaker 1: It's just a symbol of the accomplishment. So I think that,
Speaker 1: you know, building off of that, it probably adds to
Speaker 1: the meeting, right. You know, most players probably win and
Speaker 1: they toss a bracelet in a drawer or in the
Speaker 1: little box that it comes with and stick it in
Speaker 1: their desk or whatever it may be. Yeah, some people
Speaker 1: display it, of course, but deeb is taking the approach
Speaker 1: that he's trying to use it to connect people and
Speaker 1: in a way it has more impact than simply showing
Speaker 1: it off in a trophy case or a display case
Speaker 1: that maybe you and your immediate family are the only
Speaker 1: ones that see, because you know, how often are really
Speaker 1: people coming over to your house to check out everything
Speaker 1: and whatever. I think it only in terms of like
Speaker 1: possibly downplaying it, like some people might say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: he's why would you give away a bracelet, Like isn't
Speaker 1: that the ultimate prize in poker and whatever? I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess if you need it for some sort of
Speaker 1: like external validation, right, Like, probably the people that need
Speaker 1: the external validation the most. It might be the ones
Speaker 1: who actually wear the bracelets, like in the tournaments, you know, like, oh,
Speaker 1: why you got that on? So you get asked me
Speaker 1: about it and I could talk about my accomplishment, like right. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, Sean Deep's done enough. I think it's you
Speaker 1: don't need to say anything about his career. He doesn't
Speaker 1: need the bracelet, He doesn't need that sort of jewelry
Speaker 1: to prove anything. He is who he is. He's one
Speaker 1: of the absolute best in the world. So I think
Speaker 1: it's just kind of a kind of a cool thing overall,
Speaker 1: where it ultimately kind of humanizes him, probably not so
Speaker 1: much so to like you and I, because we kind
Speaker 1: of know him, but like to the just I guess
Speaker 1: the common poker fan that might read this story and
Speaker 1: see it, because it's kind of hard to have a
Speaker 1: level of connection with someone you see that's so large
Speaker 1: within an industry. You know, he's this big iconic poker player,
Speaker 1: and it shows that he's again kind of rooted in
Speaker 1: family and friendships and he values stuff beyond the game,
Speaker 1: which I think you and I can say, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is part of Sean Deep's character because we know him
Speaker 1: more so than just seeing him on the screen, and
Speaker 1: it's it's certainly something to said that should be said
Speaker 1: about being remembered, you know, for how you want and
Speaker 1: what you did kind of in the week of that
Speaker 1: that win and that triumph and who you are off
Speaker 1: the table versus just you know, I guess collecting accolades
Speaker 1: and showing them off. So so yeah, I mean shout
Speaker 1: out to Sean Deep for that. Now, he said he
Speaker 1: would keep the main event, which is obviously an insane bracelet.
Speaker 1: They say it's value to two hundred and fifty thousand
Speaker 1: dollars and the fifty k PPC, which I think, I
Speaker 1: think the vid DKPPC is more of a regular bracelet, right,
Speaker 1: it's not. Yeah, I think so special? Do you agree with?
Speaker 1: Those are the ones that you would hold on.
Speaker 2: To, that hold on everything. I mean unless someone offers
Speaker 2: me money for the south Point, not the coin. But hey,
Speaker 2: like I said, it's his choice. You know, if he's
Speaker 2: going to select those two, maybe those two a pretty
Speaker 2: good ones. Maybe if he wins the tenth, that's a
Speaker 2: good one. In Cape. Yeah, I got no problems with that.
Speaker 2: I didn't give him mine away.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the main event one. The main event
Speaker 1: one's like so kind of It's interesting to me because
Speaker 1: on one side of it, you know, you like you
Speaker 1: obviously want to keep that because it's it's absolutely incredible.
Speaker 1: Right on the other side of things, I could strongly
Speaker 1: make the case that I don't need a two hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty thousand dollars trophy. I mean, what like that
Speaker 1: just seems wild to me.
Speaker 2: Me right, Like if it's really twenty and fifty k,
Speaker 2: that's insane.
Speaker 1: Like if you if you could, I mean, obviously there's
Speaker 1: there's always those things where it's like this is valued
Speaker 1: at X versus like if you actually tried to sell it,
Speaker 1: could you get X? You know, Now, let's say you
Speaker 1: could let's say those things were say X equals x.
Speaker 1: In this case, for sure it's not X equals y.
Speaker 1: So if you could sell it for two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty K, I mean it would be hard not to, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, like.
Speaker 2: What the real question is what percentage of myself that
Speaker 2: I have in the main event?
Speaker 1: Yeah, well even who cares? Even if you even if
Speaker 1: you have half of yourself? Right you win ten million,
Speaker 1: you get half, you get five million after taxes, that's
Speaker 1: three million.
Speaker 2: I might see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could think it's a lot of frigging money.
Speaker 2: I would have to sell it then. I think like you.
Speaker 1: Would almost be like, hey, you go to a jeweler
Speaker 1: and you spend like you spend like twenty five K
Speaker 1: on a replica. Yeah right, but and then you sell
Speaker 1: it for two fifty you know, you pocket the difference,
Speaker 1: like it just I don't know, it just seems crazy
Speaker 1: that it's it's that it's worth so much.
Speaker 2: The problem is you can't secretly sell it. Like you know,
Speaker 2: let's say you have a diamond ring or diamond earrings.
Speaker 2: You can sell that no one cares, but like these
Speaker 2: are all unique things that the info would get out.
Speaker 2: And sure, but.
Speaker 1: Also, what if, what if there's a chance, what if
Speaker 1: like what if okay, what if you could sell it?
Speaker 1: You throw it up on eBay two hundred and fifty
Speaker 1: k okay, you know, and it's obviously it's out there
Speaker 1: and everyone then knows your thing. Or what if you
Speaker 1: were able to go to a jeweler and hey, hey,
Speaker 1: would you basically buy the parts, like would you buy
Speaker 1: all the diamonds it melts it? Yeah? If you could
Speaker 1: dismantle it and take it apart, you can do that.
Speaker 1: You can melt down the gold, you can take the
Speaker 1: diamonds or whatever. But they're only going to give you
Speaker 1: a hundred and fifty k.
Speaker 2: I would do that instead.
Speaker 1: And but then but with that, it's also like not
Speaker 1: known because it's only between you and the jeweler.
Speaker 2: I would do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would create a replica and sell the
Speaker 1: real I mean personally, I mean, I just it's so
Speaker 1: much money. It's just insane to me.
Speaker 2: It is so much money, Like it's just like.
Speaker 1: What huh you know? I mean I understand that, Like
Speaker 1: I guess the idea behind it is like you don't
Speaker 1: need to sell it if you win ten million dollars.
Speaker 1: But we all know, no one has one hundred percent
Speaker 1: of themselves other than like twelve people in that tournament.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just think it's I just think it's, uh,
Speaker 1: it's definitely definitely crazy. I also thought it was a
Speaker 1: little bit I guess interesting that Deep didn't at least
Speaker 1: keep the first one, like you feel like the first
Speaker 1: one for sure, you know, like, that's okay, my first one,
Speaker 1: whatever it is, doesn't matter if it's freaking the fifteen
Speaker 1: raz tournament or you know whatever, it doesn't matter my
Speaker 1: first bracelet. Okay, I'm gonna keep that one. The other
Speaker 1: one's you know.
Speaker 2: What I mean. Let we all know Sean's little cocky,
Speaker 2: so he probably once he won the first one, he's like, well,
Speaker 2: I'll get the next one a couple weeks probably, So
Speaker 2: here he got grandma, all right.
Speaker 1: Moving on to another big name poker player, Alex Foxen.
Speaker 1: Kind of a bone to pick with Alex Foxen kind
Speaker 1: of a bone to pick with poker dot org. So
Speaker 1: they wrote an article that was titled ninety hours on
Speaker 1: stream question mark, Alex Foxen said the w S Spotlight
Speaker 1: needs limits. This is by Craig Tapscott. Now, Foxen is
Speaker 1: an incredible player. I just took a little bit about
Speaker 1: this where I mean he's talking about his wife Kristen
Speaker 1: Fox and playing on THEWS main event stream for ninety
Speaker 1: hours last summer, which I'm not sure if I have
Speaker 1: more of an issue with the exaggeration on Fox's behalf,
Speaker 1: which I think is probably the least of my issue,
Speaker 1: versus the fact that poker dot Org just decided to
Speaker 1: run the clickbait title and not even fact check it.
Speaker 1: I think I have a bigger issue with that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you could very easily fact check this. I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't think that she was on for ninety hours.
Speaker 1: I looked at the numbers and it was not anywhere
Speaker 1: close by the math that I saw.
Speaker 2: So she was up there a lot, but it wasn't
Speaker 2: it wasn't ninety hours.
Speaker 1: Oh, she was for sure up there a lot. I mean,
Speaker 1: I just want to keep it, you know, closer to
Speaker 1: the bone there and not just go too crazy about it. Now.
Speaker 1: I mean, you manage some of this stuff where some
Speaker 1: of it is random, right in terms of like what
Speaker 1: table you draw or whatever. It's so part of it
Speaker 1: is not only that it's random in terms of like
Speaker 1: let's say Chrissy's table was drawn Okay, that's one thing.
Speaker 1: The other thing is like what if there are just
Speaker 1: aren't any good tables and she's the only good table,
Speaker 1: Like that's the other guess. I can see both sides
Speaker 1: of the argument in that sense where it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: one side is you got to put the big names
Speaker 1: up there, which Alex did did talk about in this
Speaker 1: article that he expects to, you know, have players that
Speaker 1: are the bigger names to receive more spotlight. The other
Speaker 1: side is, you know, well you can just create more stories. Well,
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone's ever watched when we put
Speaker 1: up a table of relatively unknown people, but people basically
Speaker 1: come out with pitchforks trying to kill us. Where's Daniel,
Speaker 1: Where's Ivy? Where's hell the Okay, okay, we get it,
Speaker 1: like we get we get it.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the thing I have to say is that
Speaker 2: you know, when you're down in the final three tables
Speaker 2: in the main event, you're all under the spotlight. So
Speaker 2: let's just scrap Day eight and then scrap a majority
Speaker 2: of Day seven. From day really, from day one a onwards,
Speaker 2: we're always rotating tables. We're always trying to find a
Speaker 2: big star to put up there. That people want to watch,
Speaker 2: you know, just picking a random table no one cares,
Speaker 2: and we want people watching, We want people enjoying the
Speaker 2: content and like you said, not complaining that their favorite
Speaker 2: players there. So we try and do a rotating table.
Speaker 2: Sometimes hey, that table will stay up for two levels
Speaker 2: instead of one. And then as you get into the
Speaker 2: deeper parts of the tournaments, you know, day five, day six,
Speaker 2: day seven, there's less stars, right, you know, people have
Speaker 2: busted and the fact that Chrissy is definitely a poker
Speaker 2: star it and she was running deep, yes she did.
Speaker 2: She was up there a little bit more than you know,
Speaker 2: forridge shoe on an outer table. But it's kind of
Speaker 2: the you kind of have to accept that when you're
Speaker 2: a professional poker player, a sponsored poker player, that and
Speaker 2: this is your livelihood. You are gonna, you know, get
Speaker 2: a little bit draw the short straw occasionally, but that
Speaker 2: normally means you are doing really well and winning a
Speaker 2: lot of money. So if you kind of think of
Speaker 2: it from that side of things.
Speaker 1: Do you think there should be any sort of like cap.
Speaker 1: I mean, it probably couldn't be a hard cap, but
Speaker 1: you know, some sort of like soft app not really
Speaker 1: stuff more than I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's okay. Not all these tables were
Speaker 2: built around around Chrissy. Some were, some weren't. Some are
Speaker 2: chosen because of the the breaking order. So we'll honestly say, hey,
Speaker 2: this is the next table going up, and then when
Speaker 2: they do the when they break a table, Chrissy randomly
Speaker 2: gets that one. That's that's out of our control. We
Speaker 2: don't do the tape breaking. So yeah, there's a bit
Speaker 2: of randomness to how much he's up there. It's kind
Speaker 2: of hard to put a cap. The only place we
Speaker 2: really do that is, you know, we touched on it.
Speaker 2: We're doing six you know, six streams of Day two content,
Speaker 2: like non final table content. During Bracelet events, those tables
Speaker 2: that I pick, we always rotate them out because the
Speaker 2: field is so big and we can nearly get everyone
Speaker 2: up there. Main event much different, much bigger, much harder
Speaker 2: to get every table up. So we try and do
Speaker 2: what we can to put on a good show for
Speaker 2: you guys at home.
Speaker 1: Do you think that the average fan under rates the
Speaker 1: additional toll that playing on a streamed table puts on players?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's tough up there. Those lights are bright,
Speaker 2: the table's big, there's the decisions are magnified because you know,
Speaker 2: people are seeing your cards, seeing your bedsizes, So those
Speaker 2: two factors are very, very big, and I can understand that. Look,
Speaker 2: we've sat up there ourselves to do rehearsals or just
Speaker 2: to chat. It's you can feel. You can feel the lights,
Speaker 2: you can feel the heat, and that's and we're not
Speaker 2: even playing for millions of dollars. So I think it's
Speaker 2: very underrated how tough it is up there. But like
Speaker 2: I said, we try and you know, make it equal
Speaker 2: for everyone and rotate as many people in and it's tough.
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna get scolded for what I'm about to say,
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say it anyway because that's how I am.
Speaker 1: I feel like there's a better way to do the lights.
Speaker 1: I'm not a production guy. I don't know this. I'm
Speaker 1: probably gonna be told that I'm wrong, but I feel
Speaker 1: like it's twenty twenty five and so much of technology
Speaker 1: has gotten better in a lot of ways. Like I
Speaker 1: feel like there has to be some sort of softer
Speaker 1: light situation out there. Like I don't know, I just
Speaker 1: I feel like it could happen. I have no idea.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'm completely wrong. I agree with you. Listen, I've
Speaker 1: you've been up there on that stage, not not necessarily playing,
Speaker 1: but doing rehearsal, sitting up there doing the podcast. You know,
Speaker 1: you and I just talking about whatever the heck we're
Speaker 1: talking about, and we're doing it there, and it is
Speaker 1: hot under those lights. I will say that when I
Speaker 1: played on the WP World Championship live stream a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago, it was not that hot under those lights,
Speaker 1: So that could maybe that's a scale thing, because one's
Speaker 1: much bigger, ones much smaller.
Speaker 2: I just you know, yeah, I mean, I'm sure there
Speaker 2: is a solution out there, you know, with better maybe
Speaker 2: the words not beat alliance, but less lighting maybe. But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's something that if I was, you know, if I
Speaker 2: went hopefully I'm playing the main event this year, if
Speaker 2: I go up there, you know, I know that's gonna
Speaker 2: there's going to be a bit of an adatoe. But
Speaker 2: it's also, hey, I get to play on a feature
Speaker 2: that that's kind of cool, so I ain't gonna complain.
Speaker 2: But I also, I'm not a multi bracet winning professional
Speaker 2: procle player playing for millions, millions of dollars.
Speaker 1: I get it, you know, part of it we can say,
Speaker 1: is it's kind of the price to pay for getting
Speaker 1: your spot in your time in the spotlight. You know.
Speaker 1: I also understand that it's it is a bit taxing.
Speaker 1: I personally don't like things at least at certain stages
Speaker 1: of the tournament where you know, people on streams can't
Speaker 1: have access to their phones. I don't personally like that.
Speaker 1: I've thrown a mindor fit about that in the past,
Speaker 1: but it is. It is what it is. So I
Speaker 1: just think that there are some some you know, sort
Speaker 1: of disadvantages or whatnot. I also think that there's probably
Speaker 1: some advantages in terms of like a better player who's
Speaker 1: used to it can probably get an advantage over his table,
Speaker 1: you know, like the ws main events as the biggest example,
Speaker 1: So that's an added benefit. So so yeah, now it
Speaker 1: was also in the article goal That's Foxin mentioned, you know,
Speaker 1: the whole like length of tournaments and days and that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, which is kind of akin to what
Speaker 1: Phil Helmuth was saying when he came out with that
Speaker 1: whole thing about how he's not playing the WSC main
Speaker 1: event because it's too long. He can't do it, you know.
Speaker 1: So I guess to you are players like Helmuth, like
Speaker 1: Fox and that are coming out with that sort of
Speaker 1: thought process. Are they right that the organizers are I guess,
Speaker 1: in a way being greedy, you know, like or is
Speaker 1: or is again? Is this just kind of the nature
Speaker 1: of things? You know, maybe it's not just necessarily greed,
Speaker 1: or it's just an unwillingness to change. I think the
Speaker 1: idea of the greed comes from that, Well, if you
Speaker 1: add an extra day, that's obviously more money for the organizer, right,
Speaker 1: you have to pay more dealers, you have to staff
Speaker 1: more people, whatever. So like, is it is it then
Speaker 1: greedy to try and condense it as much as possible
Speaker 1: so you don't have to pay all those extra days?
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that the WS main event
Speaker 1: should go in extra day out? I can't remember. I
Speaker 1: know we talked about the helmet thing. I don't remember
Speaker 1: if we specifically talked like about our thoughts of like
Speaker 1: should the main event be extended? Like you know, maybe
Speaker 1: we did and we said that, like the level should
Speaker 1: be shorter kind of earlier on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about but I think that's so. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I wanted ninety minute levels until like registration ends or
Speaker 2: something that would cut off a few hours, and I
Speaker 2: think it would make the tournament, you know, much better.
Speaker 2: I think we three or four years ago we said
Speaker 2: it needs a day eight, and then we had that
Speaker 2: one year where the day seven went to six am.
Speaker 2: So then the next year they added the day eight.
Speaker 2: And sometimes these poker players, I don't think they think
Speaker 2: about everything when it comes to hey, let's make the
Speaker 2: tournament like longer, like better structure. Well, when you do that,
Speaker 2: we need dealers longer, we need supervisors longer. That means
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to charge you more rake, but then
Speaker 2: they'll complain about too much rake. So it's about finding
Speaker 2: the middle ground. So you know, if we tell like
Speaker 2: if you're helme with on Fox and want more days,
Speaker 2: are they okay with instead of seven hundred raak eight fifty?
Speaker 2: You know, let's let's ask them that question first. I
Speaker 2: think some people think, hey, we can just add a
Speaker 2: few days, it doesn't matter, just like these like mixed
Speaker 2: game structures, which are you know, taking forever to get
Speaker 2: down to the money, but people still wanting to play
Speaker 2: for eighteen hours and then they're complaining about excessive rate.
Speaker 2: So I don't think we're ever going to win with
Speaker 2: these poker players and that battle between length of time
Speaker 2: and fees.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this event specifically, I mean, I've always
Speaker 1: really liked the endurance aspect of it. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: part of it is you have to be able to
Speaker 1: play really, really, really well for almost two weeks. And
Speaker 1: if you're going to win Poker's crowning event, the biggest,
Speaker 1: most prestigious event in the world, that should probably be
Speaker 1: some sort of factor in it, which I like. And
Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure there's plenty of disagreement there, but
Speaker 1: you know, that's how I feel. I also think that
Speaker 1: something that people kind of overlook is that this event,
Speaker 1: more so than any other event, I think, is paramount
Speaker 1: in growing the game, just simply because it it is
Speaker 1: poker's biggest showcase and it's the event that ultimately everyone
Speaker 1: you know wants to eventually play. It's that bucket list item,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff. And I think if you
Speaker 1: ultimately were to make the event in any sort of
Speaker 1: way better for the pros, it ultimately hurts the growth
Speaker 1: of poker because amateurs have less of a shot, recreational
Speaker 1: less of a shot, like, so, if you're making this
Speaker 1: chain to ultimately make it better for the pros then yeah,
Speaker 1: because I I think I think the amateur is, like
Speaker 1: I don't think that they necessarily care about the light
Speaker 1: length of it, like, you know, at least so much
Speaker 1: so that it that it matters. But if you're gonna
Speaker 1: allow I mean, let's just use it, because we're we're
Speaker 1: on this topic. If you're gonna allow Alex Fox in
Speaker 1: more time to play his a game, recreational player is
Speaker 1: never gonna win. I it's not exactly so. And I
Speaker 1: mean that also goes to your point of like I've
Speaker 1: kind of think two hours is too long of levels
Speaker 1: for this thing. It's you know, having played it now
Speaker 1: a couple of times, sometimes I'm sitting there like, holy god,
Speaker 1: this is taking forever. So so yeah, but I think
Speaker 1: there's obviously some sort of compromise there. Maybe you do
Speaker 1: the thing that you said, you know, it's it's shortened
Speaker 1: levels prior to registration closing. Then it goes to two hours, right,
Speaker 1: you know something like that. I also, like, you know,
Speaker 1: to kind of play Devil's Advocate to myself, I like
Speaker 1: that this event is different than every other event in
Speaker 1: the world in terms of like level length and structure,
Speaker 1: Like it's just it really is the best of the best.
Speaker 1: I do like that. I just I just think that
Speaker 1: there's a line where you could possibly cross it that
Speaker 1: if you make it, if you make it too difficult
Speaker 1: for a recreational player or an amateur player to ever
Speaker 1: win the event again, you know, are we ever? Are
Speaker 1: we just losing something in the big picture? Is my concern.
Speaker 1: Small concern, but but yeah, you know, like I'm sure
Speaker 1: the I'm sure top pros to be like, yeah, make
Speaker 1: it three weeks, three hour levels, you know, like like
Speaker 1: that's what we're gonna do. And like, yeah, over time,
Speaker 1: they're just gonna grind out all the good players like
Speaker 1: or all the all the bad players like, and they're
Speaker 1: just gonna all the money's gonna go to all the
Speaker 1: good players. That's gonna happen, you know. But I think
Speaker 1: it's good to have a Chris Moneymaker esque run story
Speaker 1: whatever it may be, to get that. You know, nowadays
Speaker 1: we really do see eight to nine really really good players.
Speaker 1: Now they might not be big, big known or well
Speaker 1: known big names that make the foul table, but generally speaking,
Speaker 1: the people that make the found table are pretty good
Speaker 1: at poke, you know. So, so yeah, that's kind of
Speaker 1: the tricky aspect there, like does it ultimately hurt things
Speaker 1: or not? Now, maybe it's it's something that I'm making
Speaker 1: bigger than it really is in the grand scheme of things,
Speaker 1: but I think it's worth considering, so I brought it up.
Speaker 1: So yeah, anything else from you?
Speaker 2: No, I'm just ready for the World Series?
Speaker 1: Are you really?
Speaker 2: Of course?
Speaker 1: How ready? Scale one to ten?
Speaker 2: We need to touch up the mallet a little bit
Speaker 2: on the side, make it a little short of.
Speaker 1: God to the What are the what are the outfits
Speaker 1: going to be like this summer? Are we? Are we
Speaker 1: thinking cowboy themed? Are you? Are you doing something?
Speaker 2: Okay? Two outfits planned? One it's for the twenty five
Speaker 2: K fifty days, I know, but I can wing the
Speaker 2: rest of it. Twenty five K fantasy. Just picture the
Speaker 2: most redneck you've ever seen me. That's for the twenty
Speaker 2: five K fantasy.
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at the most redneck you have no
Speaker 1: shirt on the pot like all right now on my
Speaker 1: videos it's with a giant mustache. There has never been
Speaker 1: more of a red neck book.
Speaker 2: And then and then I have a you know how
Speaker 2: I always have those Binnian's horseshoe w SP like satin yeah, jackets. Okay,
Speaker 2: I got a let's just say, a Cowboy version coming.
Speaker 2: It's getting a.
Speaker 1: Little PGT version.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need I need to get a PGT one too,
Speaker 2: But come on, we'll start with the Cowboy one. We'll
Speaker 2: see how that fares. It's getting a little edit by
Speaker 2: a friend of mine, so yeah, that's kind of it.
Speaker 2: And then we'll just wing it. We'll do some we'll
Speaker 2: do some boots, and we'll figure it out. Not too
Speaker 2: not too wirried, just let the mullet flowed freely through
Speaker 2: the breeze of the horse Street.
Speaker 1: I can't wait, and.
Speaker 2: I don't want more surprise, but I can't really talk
Speaker 2: about in the pod. I mean a couple of people know.
Speaker 2: But when it happens, we'll talk a bit more about it.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I have no idea what that is,
Speaker 1: but okay, Yes, we got the twenty five K Fantasy
Speaker 1: Draft coming up on Tuesday, a week from today, Tuesday,
Speaker 1: May twenty seventh, one pm, Vegas time. It's happening at
Speaker 1: the poker Gro studio. Poker Girl will be streaming it
Speaker 1: on poke Grol on the poker Gro YouTube channel, So
Speaker 1: if you want to tune into that sort of thing,
Speaker 1: please go ahead and do so. Tim is going to
Speaker 1: be the auctioneer. I will be in there with our
Speaker 1: team drafting. Am I am paired up with my good friend,
Speaker 1: colleague of ours, longtime poker industry veteran, Mickey Doft. We
Speaker 1: are in there, Mickey and drafting. Yeah, he's here, he
Speaker 1: gets here, he gets here Sunday, he'll be here in
Speaker 1: the draft room. I have not put in more research.
Speaker 1: I've put in the most research I ever have. Oh wow,
Speaker 1: I've had. I've talked more with Mickey than I've talked
Speaker 1: with anyone else I've been paired with. So we are
Speaker 1: ready to go.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: It's probably all going to fall apart like it always does,
Speaker 1: but we have a really good idea of what we
Speaker 1: want to do, how we want to do it. I've
Speaker 1: I've heard there could be three new teams in there,
Speaker 1: so so who knows. I feel like I hear that
Speaker 1: every year, so you know, I hope that it does happen.
Speaker 2: I just want it to be like twenty five teams
Speaker 2: or like twelve teams, so that everybody's strategy and everybody's
Speaker 2: in preparation with numbers.
Speaker 1: I was just throwing out, I don't want to ever
Speaker 1: be twelve.
Speaker 2: No, I know, but like I want some variable to
Speaker 2: the normal, like nineteen twenty we have so that everyone's
Speaker 2: strategy and everyone's pricing is just doesn't.
Speaker 1: Well I'll tell you this, ninety percent of the teams
Speaker 1: don't have a strategy, okay, is like that is number one.
Speaker 1: For example, Like Dan Fleischman is going to show up
Speaker 1: and he's gonna draft Phil Hallimuth and Phil Ivy and
Speaker 1: Michael mcsrocky, and he's gonna be done drafting his team
Speaker 1: in twenty seven minutes and then he's probably gonna leave.
Speaker 2: He said he wanted to put two teams in lost.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, go ahead, do whatever you want,
Speaker 1: Like you want to pay an extra twenty five k,
Speaker 1: go nuts. So there's that. I I mean, the best
Speaker 1: thing that you that that could happen in terms of
Speaker 1: messing up people's strategies is if more teams showed up,
Speaker 1: you know, twenty five thirty like, because because then people
Speaker 1: would really need to be digging deep into into their lists.
Speaker 1: And I mean, I don't think people have big enough
Speaker 1: lists as is, so I can only imagine what would
Speaker 1: happen if, you know, if you added seven ten twelve
Speaker 1: teams to the mix, you know how that would that
Speaker 1: would fare. I am kind of always surprised that more
Speaker 1: people there's not more growth in the league. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I mean, listen, I understand obviously, twenty five K is
Speaker 1: a massive price point for a fantasy league. I mean,
Speaker 1: you're talking to me, I get into it. But I
Speaker 1: mean you can, like, I think there's enough. I think
Speaker 1: there's enough things like high stakes fantasy football leagues or
Speaker 1: whatever within the poker community that like, I would expect
Speaker 1: all those people to also play this. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: you pair up with a couple of people and you
Speaker 1: each put up five K or whatever it is, and
Speaker 1: you know, you do it that way and you get
Speaker 1: in there, right you send kind of send one person
Speaker 1: a draft or or whatnot. I just I've always thought that,
Speaker 1: like the league should probably gain on average probably one
Speaker 1: point five entries per year. Yeah, you know, I just so,
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just that people are just
Speaker 1: gun shy or what the deal is. I would say
Speaker 1: that if you're if you're out there and you're on
Speaker 1: the fence and for whatever reason, you're scared away. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm not kidding when I believe that eighty percent of
Speaker 1: the people in that draft room have basically done zero preparation.
Speaker 1: They like print out the last year's draft form and like,
Speaker 1: you know, show up like that's it. Yeah, so so yeah,
Speaker 1: so I think more people should should try and get
Speaker 1: in there, you know, one way or the other. You
Speaker 1: know again, team up with some friends, put it together.
Speaker 1: You know, many people are spending way more than twenty
Speaker 1: five k for an entire summer sweat. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: I would I would highly encourage people to hop on
Speaker 1: in there. It's a lot of fun and it's it's
Speaker 1: great to track all summer long. So again, Tuesday, May
Speaker 1: twenty seventh, that'll be on Poker Girl and the Poker
Speaker 1: Go YouTube channel, so you guys can watch it. It'll
Speaker 1: be fun. You can see what sort of strategy Mickey
Speaker 1: and I have. Hopefully it comes to fruition. We don't
Speaker 1: have to go to plan B CD E and F
Speaker 1: and all that sort of crazy stuff. So let's go.
Speaker 1: Let's freaking go. All right, that's gonna do it for
Speaker 1: us again, a couple more episodes that we're gonna hit,
Speaker 1: hopefully before the dubas actually gets here, and we'll be
Speaker 1: dropping those in the coming days. So it's dobasic be time, man,
Speaker 1: it's here. We're a week away, so get ready. It's
Speaker 1: gonna be a fun summer. It's gonna be big, it's
Speaker 1: gonna be great. Can't wait to uh be there be
Speaker 1: bringing you guys all the coverage as we always do
Speaker 1: here from Poker Go. So that's gonna do it for
Speaker 1: us on this episode. My name is Donny Peters, his
Speaker 1: name is Tim Duckworth. We'll talk to you guys next time.
Speaker 2: So yeah,