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Speaker 1: Hello everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the

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Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donnie Peters. His name

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is Tim Duckworth, a shirtless, mullet wearing, mustache growing Tim Duckworth. Listen.

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We have plans to do this podcast on video this summer.

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Your god, those plans are followed through with because y'all

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need to see this bogan ass on the other side

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of the screen. I mean, it is absolutely incredible, absolutely impeccable, sir.

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I'm glad you brought the heat. I guess quickish episode today.

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We have a bunch of episodes in the hopper that

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we're going to be firing at you guys rather quickly,

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so expect that. Now we are a week away from

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the World Series of Poker. Today is Tuesday, May twentieth.

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Next Tuesday, it's WSP timeb today. I know Tim went

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down to Horseshoe and he did his whole WSP plus

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verification process, so we're gonna talk about that. I want

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his first hand experience, boots on the f and ground reporting.

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Let us know how it went. We'll talk about that.

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We released our plans for the summer streaming schedule as

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it relates to poker gh so we can inform you

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guys on what to expect there. The first cold bracelet

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of twenty twenty five was already one if you can

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believe it. Maybe you missed the news, maybe you didn't,

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but we're gonna talk about that. We're gonna find out

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what Sean Deep does with his gold bracelets, which was interesting,

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something that I didn't know until an article dropped from

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doing it on the episode. I got a bone to pick,

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all right? WASB plus verification, loading money, doing the whole thing.

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You went down to horseshoe, you got verified to talk

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me through it. How did it go? Was it a breeze?

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What were the hiccups? I want to know it all.

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I have not done it yet, and I'm sure many

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people out there haven't done it yet, so what can

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they expect to go through this process?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was pretty simple. I was probably been the

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first one to do it. I was there pretty early

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on opening.

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Speaker 1: Day giving you a number.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like a little commemorative coin or something. There's a

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couple GG Poker representatives down there just hanging out. But

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the main thing is Paris Main cage for at least

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another few more days. Middle of the casino, basically right

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under one of the Eiffel Tower legs. And I went

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to the cage. They were just like on that side, please,

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thinking I was cashing out or something. I was like, no,

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I'm trying to do the WSP app. She goes, oh, yeah,

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come here. Gave them my player's card. I gave them

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my ID, told them my six digit WSP plus app number.

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That is, you can find that in your app. They

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basically linked it asked me if I wanted to deposit

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any money, and I said, yes, here you go. Here

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is twenty five hundred dollars, which I believe is the minimum.

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And I didn't know that at the time, so lucky I.

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Speaker 1: Brought again, this makes no sense five hundred when you

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have events that are three hundred dollars. Yeah, but hot, okay,

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so hold on, you.

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Speaker 2: Can withdraw it. You could deposit twenty five hundred play

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the Gladiator is bike out twenty Let me ask you.

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Speaker 1: Is that you're and I don't know. I'm possibly I

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might not be asking you. I might just be asking

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out loud, but maybe you have answers or insights here.

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So everyone needs that. It is to be plus app.

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That's how all of this is done. Yet they have

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buy ins that are three hundred dollars five hundred dollars,

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hundred dollars via the app. You have to put twenty

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five hundred dollars on. That seems like quite a large disconnect,

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Get this app. This is how you're going to go

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through that whole registration process. I mean, and the coss

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is specifically, there's eighteen thousand people in that damn thing.

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Like how many people are going to show up with

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three hundred or six hundred or nine hundred dollars not

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twenty five hundred and be like, hey, I want to play?

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mean that that that can't be a thing. I feel

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like that can't be.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think we've kind of touched on this before,

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but you know, just to finish my experience pretty quick,

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money was in the account, I could go buy into

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the mister millions, so that was fine. But no, no, no,

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did you No, I'm only playing the main event. I'm

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only playing the main event. Okay, let's it.

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Speaker 1: Well, how are you gonna play the minium? Ever for

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twenty five hundred dollars? Buddy?

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Speaker 2: I got seventy five hundred more common eventually. But another

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poker player there brace the winner and PGT title winner

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So who's obviously a little late on his taxes? Sorry

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to call you out, David. I asked him. I was like,

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are you here for the WSP plus up as well?

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And he goes, what's that? So I was like, great,

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so explain a bit to him and he's like, oh,

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so we have to use that. And as he was

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getting his self verified for you know, finding w two

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and all that stuff, the cage manager was there, so

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he was kind of converse with, you know, between us three,

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and he's like, well, what do you think of this?

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And I say, well, it's going to be a problem

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for the seniors event because not everyone has an iPhone,

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not everyone has a phone, so that's kind of a problem.

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And he basically hinted that, you know, for those kind

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of emergency situations, will have a workaround. So my prediction

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is that if there will be potentially maybe one line,

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you know in the registration area over on Paris once

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the WSP starts, that's for like cash only, but it's

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going to be so slow that people will basically say,

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I never want to do this again. I'm going to

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load up my WSP app in all these other lines

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that are available so that I don't do experience that.

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That is my prediction, and you know, I'm guessing, mister

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million is we're going to have someone without an iPhone.

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We're going to have people without twenty five hundred dollars

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on them. You know, they only have a thousand to

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just play one bullet. You know, what are they going

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to do? I'm assuming maybe they'll bring down the minimums

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as well. You're right, we both have kind of discussed

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this last year with Bravo. The minimum should be really

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what the minimum buying of any event at the World

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Series is, and it actually should be less than three hundred.

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It should be two fifty for the two hundred and

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fifty Deep Stacks, right, if you're trying to get everyone

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under this app and everyone registered Deep Stacks is supposed,

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you should if you really want everyone on this app,

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you need to make essentially the minimum deposit one dollar, right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I don't see why there is a minimum,

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Like it should just be the stone lowest. You said,

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one dollar. Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 2: My only thought is that it just kind of X

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reduces the amount of times you have to go to

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the cage and therefore reduces potential future lines. So you know,

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you know, some people are only going to put a

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thousand at a time or five hundred at a time. This

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way kind of saves them a few visits and that

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you know, saves a little bit of traffic in the future.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, you know, just just thinking ahead to

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future years, not even you know, later on this year,

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but future years. Like I don't and I don't even

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know if this is even possible or if you could

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ever get to this point that you know, there should

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just be various kiosks around where I can go up

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to them. There's probably a barcode scanner on them. I

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can pull up a barcode on my w s AP

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plus app, which then like basically logs me into the kiosk,

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and then I can just stick cash into the kiosk, yeah,

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instead of like having to actually go to a cage.

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property and then people can just you know, put more

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money in or whatever as they go. So, like you said,

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if there are people that are like okay, I'm just

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going to do a thousand, then I'll do a thousand

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in three weeks or whatever it might be. They just

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don't constantly have to go up to a cage, you know,

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but I do.

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Speaker 2: I didn't test it like I Like I said, I

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deposited with cold hard American USD and you can obviously

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to positivey other methods. There is a method for AH

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which is a bank transfer. It's credit cards. There's there

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is an option for WSP dot com, so that kind

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of interests me. Does that mean I can transfer my

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WSP dot com balance across I think that's quite good,

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especially when you're cashing out. So there are other methods

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you don't have to go and deposit cash. Once you

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verify and verify that your method, that's the best way.

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I wasn't planning on doing PayPal. I wasn't planning on

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using a credit card or anything like that, so I

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didn't really worry about any of that. But you know,

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at the time, I probably should have just set them

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all up just to see what that experience was like.

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Speaker 1: Any idea on if you get payouts through the app,

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I feel like, I mean that would be ideal.

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Speaker 2: Ideally, yes, you think of the lines for like the classes,

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when you cash out, you to go stand in that

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standing that payout line, you can see it wrapping, snaking

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around powers or horseshoe wherever they're doing the payouts. So

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you would hope that, you know, you could just be like, hey,

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you finished in eight hundredth place, he is eleven hundred

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dollars coming into your account. You know, go get it

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whenever you want so you can just move on to

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Speaker 1: There was a version of this before using the Bravo TBIIC,

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but it it wasn't exactly the most efficient process in

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my because you bust out of a tournament, you have

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to go immediately stand in like this first line in

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the tournament room. Yes, with your little ticket that says,

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you know, ninety sixth place, and you get up to

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the counter. You give them your idea, your player's card

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and the ticket. They basically log you into the system

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right there, and they always tell you, especially in the

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big field events with tons and tons and tons of

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people and like thousands of people cashing, they always say

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you have to do this first. You cannot skip this

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part of the process, because this is what ultimately logs

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you into the system to then go collect your payout

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in the payout room whenever you want. So you do

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this first process, you stand in the line whatever, and

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then later on you go into the payout room, you know,

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which oftentimes, like you know, if I like I've cashed

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in the Gladiators and I've cashed in the classus, so

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I'll stand in this first line and then but I

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won't go get my payout right away. I said. You

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go to the payout room and there's a bazillion people

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in there, so it's like whatever, I'm gonna be here

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all summer. I'll go at a different day whatever. But

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then when you eventually go into that room and you

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go through it and you go up to the front,

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they say to you, or they said to you, you know,

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how do you how do you want your payout? Do

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you want cash? You want chips? Do you want it

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in your wsip TBIC account. So I'm assuming there you

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would get just a replacement of wysip plus app versus

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the most ideal thing both on the player side, you know,

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from like a player efficiency standpoint and a customer service standpoint,

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and then also from the business side, is that when

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you like go through that first line and you basically

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get assigned to whatever place you finish it, and it

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should just default to go into your WASITP account, WSP

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plus account. And the reason why I say that from

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a bit on the one side, it's it's just good

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customer service. That's the most streamlined thing. You know that

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you don't have multiple lines all this sort of stuff.

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On the business side, you should want people to just

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have money in the bank at all times because then

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they're likely to just fire again. Yeah, like that's oh,

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well I just cast for two thousand and it's on

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this ws P plus app. Well, this is kind of

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funny money, right now, Let's go, let's find the next tournament,

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what's next, you know, let's just let's just fire it

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in there, Versus if I go somewhere, I have to

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get the money, then I have to put it back in.

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So I'm guessing that's going to be the case. But

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of course, you know, some of this stuff we're just

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going to kind of have to find out as we

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go with the whole thing.

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Speaker 2: My thought is that that first part of your story,

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the first line, that may we may have lost that bot,

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but going and cashing out may still exist. That's that's

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kind of my theory that if they're using tablets, if

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the flaws are busting people, that they'll bust people from

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the tablet. You won't need to line up, you won't

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need to standing in that queue just to assign your

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name to the place and then go standing on the line.

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That's what I think.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, would you just have like one,

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one or two designated floor people to basically have like

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a scanner on their phone and they can go up

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to somebody and like that person pulls up the barcode

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on their app, you scan it in, you type in

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ninety six place, okay, boom that that all is done, done,

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see you later.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I think.

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Speaker 1: So I think overall that the do basitv plus app

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and the integration of it for the twenty twenty five

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DOBSIP is I think it's going to very much streamline everything,

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make everything much more efficient, and it's going to ultimately

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create a better experience for both players and for the

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operations and the operations are important because the more the

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things are streamlined on that front, the better everything runs,

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you know, on the front side of everything. Now, I'll

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say that also, there's probably gonna be some headaches and

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some obstacles and some hiccups here and there and growing

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pains and whatever. I get it, you know. So, but

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I do think ultimately like this is going to be,

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you know, pretty awesome overall, just in terms of like

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making everything faster, and the faster these guys can get

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butts and seats for everything, whether that's initial entries, whether

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that's re entries. It's yes, on the business side, it's

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more revenue for them, I get it. But on the

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player side, it's bigger fields, bigger prize pools, bigger payouts,

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you know, all that sort of stuff. Do you know

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if you can do this at any like Caesar's Venue

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or is it just Paris Horseshoe or.

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Speaker 2: I believe it's just Paris. And that's what I was

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thinking about the other day with Caesars opening the Poke Room,

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planning Hollywood opening the Poke Room, definitely makes sense for

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this to be part of the Caesars family of properties

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here in Las Vegas and essentially why not all across

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the country. You know, if you're in Tunica, Mississippi or

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whatever else is the Caesars and you're coming here, maybe

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I don't want to bring fifty k cash, but maybe

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I just want to deposit it on my wsp AT

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while home travel, you know, either I'm driving or flying

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without that cash and without that burden of having to

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watch that money and then go stop playing WSOP events.

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So that's one thing I'd probably suggest for future use.

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Obviously there's going to be some finance and accounting issues there,

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but property to property, it's, as we've been told a little,

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a little easier for that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, it sounds like everything went well with you.

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I've not done it yet.

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Speaker 2: You need to do it, do it quickly, real quick.

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Did you see that like thread about the credit cards

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that I chimed in on yesterday?

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Speaker 1: No, but let me let me say that I heard

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on the Gamble Up podcast with Adam Schwartz and David

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od b Baker that one of their mutual friends, Terrence Chan,

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who lives in Canada, did the whole plus thing, and

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I believe deposited or registered or whatever with a credit card,

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and there was no fee.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's the thing. Right now, they're saying there's

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no fees, which is you know, it's promoted that way

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on the website. It's hard to believe that there would

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be no three percent vge like there has been in

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previous years, but a lot of players are taking advantage

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of it. Poker dot Org's Terrence Reid was one of them,

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and it started a thread. You know, Steph Chung who

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plays out PGT events, basically like what is the gto

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you know, credit card to use here? And people A

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couple of people are responding, and I kind of chimed in, knowing,

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you know, a little bit about financing credit cards, like

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it's not just the credit card you use, you got

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to think of like new credit cards, sign up bonuses.

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And she's like, any suggestions, best I can find is

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two percent cash back. So I obviously did not spend

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that much time doing this. I quickly looked. I went

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to AMX because they have the most craziest ones. Basically,

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you can get thirty five percent rake back, right, and

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let me explain. Let's say she a PLO player.

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Speaker 1: Let's say she let me before you say anything, this

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is not financial I want to make sure that we're

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not getting in any trouble. This is not financial advice.

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And I also want to make it clear that the

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guy talking is the guy with the Australian accent, not

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the guy with the American accents. Have you blame the boat? Okay,

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let's go.

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Speaker 2: Okay, she's going to buy into the ten K PLO Championship.

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That's ten thousand dollars if you open up the new

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Amex Platinum Card. Six hundred and ninety five dollars fee.

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Sounds extravagant, sounds like a lot. I know, I get it,

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but I'm pretty sure you don't have to pay for

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twelve months. Now, if you spend eight thousand dollars in

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the first there's like a certain amount of period. You'll

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obviously do that. With the ten K you receive an

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upgraded one hundred and seventy five thousand Amex membership points, which,

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depending how you redeem them, is value between seventeen hundred

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and like thirty five hundred dollars. So let's just say

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you redeem them as efficient as possible. We're getting thirty

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five hundred dollars back. Now, let's take off the seven

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hundred dollar fee. Okay, now we're down to twenty eight hundred,

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but you get a two hundred dollar hotel credit, a

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two hundred dollars airline credit, a two hundred and forty

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dollars digital entertainment credit, one hundred and fifty dollars Walmart credit,

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two hundred dollars zuper cash. You also get the one

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X points, which is not as good some other cards,

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but look at all the other sign up bonuses, so

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basically it equates to thirty five percent ish rakeback. Now

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conditions apply as always, I didn't read any of the conditions.

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Some of these new sign up bonuses are like you

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have to hit certain categ like spend in each category

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you know, or spend a minimum in each category. So

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maybe she needs to go buy a pack of gum

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at the Shell service station and then you know, buy

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a Starbucks coffee. But in a nutshell, you could potentially

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get thirty five percent rake back on one tournament. Who

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knows if it will work out, but hey, there is

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ways to gain a little bit out there until the fee.

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The three percent fees are at it. But if you

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use a normal credit card, like you know, you and

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me have an out wallet we're probably getting three percent

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or five percent cash back. Anyway.

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Speaker 1: I heard them say on the gamble of podcast that

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there was no fee, and immediately I was like, Okay, well,

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I'm buying into the main event this year on my

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credit card because I get points, right. I mean, it's

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not as exorbitant as as the bonus that you were mentioning,

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But still, like, why if it's no credit card fee,

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if that is truly true, then why would I not

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do that. I'll just take the ten k cash that

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I have and snap pay off my like literally as

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soon as it hits the statement, I will just pay

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off that that part of it, and then you know,

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I get those those bonus points or bonus dollars or

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whatever it may be. So I don't know why, like,

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literally everyone wouldn't be taking advantage of that. Now. Of course,

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if you're if you're prone to possibly letting credit card

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bills getting out of control and you don't attack them

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right away and all that sort of stuff, like, yes,

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don't do it, just do the cash route. I get it.

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I also thought that, you know, kind of because because

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I started thinking of the same thing that you were

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thinking of, I didn't see that thread but you know,

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I was kind of still thinking, like, well, this is

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obviously an advantage point for a lot of people to

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to be able to get additional bonuses, dollars, points, whatever

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it may be. You know, why doesn't doubs be plus?

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Just build that in like if you if you put

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them enough money on or you start playing enough tournaments

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or whatever it is, you kind of build up like

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points and then you can, you know, eventually you can

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turn those points into I don't know, a tournament entry,

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or you can turn you know, turn them into a

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food voucher or whatever it may be. Now, it doesn't

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have to be anything you know, as crazy as like

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you know, initial credit card offers are. But you could

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do some sort of small kickback for the players, right

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and just again just to really entice people to to

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use the app and to use it more often. You know,

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that could be That could be a good thing.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you could do something also with the Seasons

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credit card. You know, I'm looking at that sign on

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page right now. You get ten thousand world credits, five

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thousand tier credits if you spend five K, and then

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you get upgraded to Platinum, some other bonuses. But you

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could have it built into a Caesar's credit card, so

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you get people signing up there and basically get them

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to give the benefits to the WSP PLUS players that

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use that credit card to sign up. So you could

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really make this like a whole all encompassing project with

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how you get money on there and really make it

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benefits plus and their players.

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Speaker 1: Definitely again not financial advice.

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Speaker 2: Not financial advice.

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Speaker 1: You're on research of course, figure out your own.

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Speaker 2: If you need an AMEX referral code, please use No,

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I don't have one of it.

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Speaker 1: But if you need a Tesla refer a code, you

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can use. Moving on Poker, GOSP streaming plans are out.

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We have officially rolled out the red carpet for this

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summer's WSOP coverage, and you know it's it's I would say,

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it's probably what you expected, but it's also kind of

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like similar to at least last year. There's going to

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be daily Wall the Wall live streams starting May thirty,

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first daily broadcasts of the WISPY main event from Day

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one A all the way till the final hand is

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dealt on July sixteenth. There's a whole bunch of different

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bracelet events that are front and center some of the

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biggest that are on the schedule are going to be

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front and center on the Poker gro streaming schedule once again,

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a very big push from our team here. You know,

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it's really the only place that you can get this

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level of coverage for one poker series. So it is

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going to be split up, you know, between poker Go

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the platform and then the Poker Goro YouTube channel. So

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the best way to get one hundred percent of everything

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is obviously become a Poker Grow subscriber. Yes, and I'll

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hit on that a little bit more in a second.

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So the headlining thing is a daily coverage of the

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Waspmion event in July second, I believe it is, second

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through the sixteenth. There's also going to be more than

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two dozen additional bracelet events that are going to be highlighted,

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including the fifty k PPC, which at least right now,

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of course, all this comes with, you know, subject to change,

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because bazillion things change every single day at the World

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Series of Poker, but fifty k PPC we're planning multiple

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days of coverage once again. We're also planning multiple days

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of coverage for the two hundred and fifty k Super

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high Roller we got one hundred thousand dollars high Roller

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on the schedule. You got the new twenty five k

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Nolan Hold Them Slash Plo half and half high Roller

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that's on there. We got the twenty five k heads Up,

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we got the Ladies Championship, Mystery Millions, Monster Stack, Millionmaker Colossus.

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So so pretty much everything it is, it is weighted

473
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towards Nolamit hold Them. You know, I know that there

474
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has been some pushback out there from a select handful

475
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of people about that specifically, and I guess I don't

476
00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:04,839
care about the pushback. I mean, listen, no one does

477
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,960
more mixed game coverage than poker go in a calendar year.

478
00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,279
No one. It's not even remotely close. We know that

479
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,480
the mixed game tournaments at the DO RESIP are an

480
00:24:14,519 --> 00:24:19,960
absolute logistical nightmare from a streaming perspective, just because it's

481
00:24:20,279 --> 00:24:23,640
they take too long. They go to you know, additional

482
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days like it's just a lot. Okay, of course, we'll

483
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try and work them in where we can. One of

484
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:32,279
the best things that we do, in my opinion, is

485
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,119
the multiple day coverage of the fifty k PPC. You know,

486
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you don't just get the final table you're likely going

487
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to get days three, four, and then five, so that's

488
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really good. And then you know, if big names make things,

489
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things can change around and we'll do what we can.

490
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And then also listen the masses, like the Nolamitt hold

491
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them exactly. We see the numbers, like, what what do

492
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you want us to say? I mean, I feel like

493
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every year we get yelled at about not doing mix

494
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:06,240
game coverage, Yet we see the numbers and I'm like, well,

495
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,200
you guys don't feel I feel like you're not showing

496
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up to the streams because the numbers aren't on par

497
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with the other stuff. So let's just just want to

498
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get that little little rant out of the way. I

499
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mentioned poker Goro and the poker Goro YouTube channel, so

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I would certainly say, you know, subscribe to poker Grow

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so basically the price of one coffee. Come on, guys,

521
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let's go all right. Thoughts on the streaming schedule, sir,

522
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:36,480
I know you're the you're the puzzle person. You. Yeah,

523
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you put this thing together. It's a it's a giant puzzle,

524
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is really what it is.

525
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's you know, obviously relying on where WSP puts

526
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,920
their events. Some events with just handcuff we can't show

527
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and some were kind of have to show. And we

528
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know what we you know, we we know we want

529
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to do the fifty k. We know we want to

530
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do the two fifty and then we kind of feel

531
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in the pieces around that and it is very no limit,

532
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hold them heavy. But I think that's fine. I think

533
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:07,319
it's a decent you know schedule. We have those six

534
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:10,640
days of non final table coverage, which is always I

535
00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:15,640
think very popular for both the players and also the

536
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,000
fans at home. So you know, we're doing day two

537
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,039
coverage of the twenty five K hi Roller, fifty K

538
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high Roller, one hundred K high Roller, and two fifty

539
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K high Roller, so you know, you want to come

540
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see the best in the world battle it out on

541
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day two in of the money and then towards the

542
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final table you got to come to Poker Go and

543
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then obviously like you touched on day three and four

544
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of the PPC before the final table. So there's all that,

545
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and then we have some new events on that we

546
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:41,119
haven't done before. We have the twenty five K half

547
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and half you mentioned, you know, we're doing the one

548
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K Battle of Ages they're both new events for this year,

549
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and for the first time, we're doing the the three

550
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K nine game mat mix a little you know, a

551
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,119
little lead into the PPC, and then we also have

552
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,559
the Seniors high Roller which also which could be a

553
00:27:59,599 --> 00:28:02,160
fantastic event. I'm looking forward to that one. So yeah,

554
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:06,079
some new events, some classic ones. It's gonna be a

555
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:06,720
great summer.

556
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Speaker 1: I still care believe they don't call it the Mini PPC.

557
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I just can't believe it.

558
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Speaker 2: I know.

559
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Speaker 1: So it's touch a layer, it is it really is

560
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for an operation that loves the gimmicks. Yeah, you know,

561
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this is just it's the layup of all layers.

562
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Speaker 2: Yeah.

563
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Speaker 1: I just don't get it.

564
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Speaker 2: And I think we you know, along with these you know,

565
00:28:28,519 --> 00:28:31,039
marquee events, these these high roller events, we've also got

566
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ones where we're going to see people turn you know,

567
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three hundred dollars, one thousand dollars, five hundred dollars into

568
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,960
millions potentially. We have that one K Mystery Millions, we

569
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have the one point five k million maker, we have

570
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the fifteen hundred months to stack. We have that three

571
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hundred gladiators of pokers. So you're not going to get

572
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unlikely to see the day on the grandos and feel

573
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helmeless at that table. But it's gonna be great. There's

574
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gonna be big, a big first prize, a bunch of

575
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,279
probably amateur poker players at that at those final tables,

576
00:29:02,319 --> 00:29:04,359
but it's going to be I think those streams are

577
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always the best ones to watch in my opinion.

578
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:08,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love I love those ones, you know, I

579
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mean I love it all, don't get me wrong. But

580
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you know, the the massive ROI tournaments, the small buying,

581
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huge score, massive fields, you know where you get the

582
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complete unknowns that the guys that are really chasing their dreams,

583
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Like that's that's really what it's about for me. So

584
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so yeah, incredible stuff. I mean, I'm looking forward to it.

585
00:29:29,519 --> 00:29:32,839
Of course, it's gonna be a lot of fun. I'm

586
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going to be as glued to it as possible as

587
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,400
you and I always are. And yeah, I can't wait,

588
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absolutely cannot wait. So become a prot Grow subscriber today

589
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and tell them we sent you, because then it looks

590
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good on us. All right, first gold bracelet of twenty

591
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twenty five has actually already been awarded. Did you know

592
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that I did? Of course you did. I was I

593
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:58,200
was joking it goes to a guy who started the

594
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:00,640
final table near the bottom of the ship counts in

595
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:03,079
the event. And the event was the Doubyssip Tournament of

596
00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:07,279
Champions and it's Kevin Lee, a Canadian player. He qualified

597
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,119
via the WYSSIP circuit. He ran it up over at

598
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:17,559
Commerce Casino and won the TOC for in even two

599
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:23,440
hundred thousand dollars. This is a million dollar free roll.

600
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I think there's around eleven hundred or twelve hundred possible

601
00:30:28,039 --> 00:30:30,599
players that can play in it. I think that's what

602
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,880
I heard or saw or whatever. But ultimately four hundred

603
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:37,240
and eighty five entries played in it, So I guess

604
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:40,559
pretty decent value if you're one of the players that

605
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,400
actually made the trek to La to Commerce Casino to play.

606
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,240
So yeah, Kevin Lee two hundred k up top. He

607
00:30:47,279 --> 00:30:52,519
defeated Sean Rice in second place, Don Don Don Chiaglo,

608
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,000
third place, Danny Seppiel we all know him, fourth place,

609
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:01,599
Kara pet Galassian the fifth place, Maxwell Young's Yang Zoo seventh,

610
00:31:02,599 --> 00:31:07,359
Kevin Lemmer eighth, and then Scott Stewart WPT World Championship winner.

611
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,279
Scott Stewart finished in ninth place. You know a lot

612
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:14,559
of those names there you probably don't recognize, but that's

613
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:18,200
you know, this event is really about. I would say

614
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,240
it's mostly about like the WSB circuit grinders, you know.

615
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:25,319
So a lot of these guys don't get the biggest

616
00:31:25,759 --> 00:31:28,880
shine in the spotlight, but this is kind of an

617
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:33,079
opportunity for them to do so. At the final table,

618
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:36,480
Lee entered as one of the short sacks. He ultimately

619
00:31:36,519 --> 00:31:41,519
doubled through Galistean. I think it was king nine versus

620
00:31:41,519 --> 00:31:44,559
a eight. He had a king on the turn. I

621
00:31:44,599 --> 00:31:48,079
was reading the updates over at poker dot org. Hit

622
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:52,799
a king on the turn despite Galstian floppingion eight, and

623
00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:55,440
then ended up doubling from there. Seemed to kind of

624
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,119
be the turning point for him. He went on to

625
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,279
eliminate a bunch of players, he gets heads up with

626
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:02,480
Sean Rice, He's able to close it out. He did

627
00:32:02,599 --> 00:32:04,759
mention afterwards that he felt that it was a real

628
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:09,279
blessing for him to be there. This was a streamed

629
00:32:09,279 --> 00:32:13,880
event on where was it on the Bally's stream channel

630
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,160
on YouTube? I can't remember exactly, but it was stream

631
00:32:16,160 --> 00:32:17,240
so if you want to check it out, you can

632
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,359
go check it out for sure. And yeah, it ultimately

633
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,599
the first bracelet of the twenty twenty five DOBASIP season,

634
00:32:23,759 --> 00:32:27,000
which you know sets the tone for everything that is

635
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:29,319
to come. Again, we are a week out from the WASP.

636
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,559
Kevin Lee won this a couple of days ago out

637
00:32:32,599 --> 00:32:35,319
at Commerce, So I'm gonna throw things to you, sir.

638
00:32:36,839 --> 00:32:41,480
Where do you think the TOC stands in terms of prestige?

639
00:32:41,599 --> 00:32:44,400
You know, is it a real bracelet event in your eyes?

640
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,240
I know there's a conversation about that. You know, is

641
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:51,240
it just basically a free roll with a glorified trophy?

642
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:52,920
Should it give away a bracelet?

643
00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 2: Like?

644
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,279
Speaker 1: What are your overall thoughts on this event?

645
00:32:56,119 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 2: It's definitely a bracelet. I mean they're going to give

646
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,319
bracelets out to this fit like to events in Pennsylvania,

647
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:05,319
then this is definitely a bracelet. Has a lost some prestige,

648
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,160
I guess compared to what it used to be, Yes,

649
00:33:07,319 --> 00:33:10,759
But as you mentioned, it's mainly circuit players from all

650
00:33:10,759 --> 00:33:13,000
around the country, all around the world, So this is

651
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:15,559
probably pretty cool event to be a part up and

652
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:21,880
something that they, you know, strive to qualify for throughout

653
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,279
their season, just like we talk about the PGT Championship.

654
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:26,960
It's the same kind of concept. We know our players

655
00:33:28,039 --> 00:33:30,799
really want to make and qualify for that. And I

656
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,319
would assume the four hundred and eighty five entrants have

657
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:38,200
played this, we're all like excited to play and you know,

658
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,680
firstly qualify and then and then head down to commerce

659
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,400
to play. So I think there's still some prestige. It's no,

660
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,480
it's not the same as it used to be, even

661
00:33:45,480 --> 00:33:48,640
when it was at you know, at the end of

662
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:51,400
the World Series in Vegas. But I still think there's

663
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,920
nothing wrong with it. I think it serves its purpose,

664
00:33:54,119 --> 00:33:58,160
which is rewarding mainly the circuit grinders out there.

665
00:33:58,519 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, if they want to give out

666
00:33:59,920 --> 00:34:02,480
a bracelet for this one, go for it, you know.

667
00:34:03,039 --> 00:34:05,680
And then I would also say that if they say

668
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:07,720
the bracelet counts, then it counts. Let's just get that

669
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:09,920
out of the way. That's just the nature of the beast.

670
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:14,760
I do think it's it's somewhat of a gimmicky type

671
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:18,119
of bracelet that to attach it to this. I do

672
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:23,440
enjoy the fact that the circuit grinders get this as

673
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:26,760
as kind of that that treasure at the end of

674
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,199
the rainbow, like that they can go for, they can play,

675
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,159
you know, they can compete in all that sort of stuff. Ultimately,

676
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:35,519
I just think it should be at the divisipy. I mean,

677
00:34:36,079 --> 00:34:38,519
that's my my next question to you is, you know,

678
00:34:38,599 --> 00:34:40,599
do you like that it's held at Commerce? Does it

679
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:41,480
help or hurt it?

680
00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:41,800
Speaker 2: Like?

681
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:43,079
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts there?

682
00:34:43,559 --> 00:34:46,280
Speaker 2: I mean, the one option is getting down at nine

683
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:48,920
to eight or seven, whatever number you want, and then

684
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:54,000
doing doing the delay and finishing it at the World

685
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:57,800
Series on May first, the May nine, or the May seven.

686
00:34:58,440 --> 00:35:03,360
I'm just saying it's in Vegas, not too but you know,

687
00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,880
obviously they have a partnership with Combas Casino. They're trying

688
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:11,599
to make that the concluding season ending stop, and it

689
00:35:11,639 --> 00:35:14,840
does make sense to have the TOC there, whether you know,

690
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:15,880
we really like it or not.

691
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:20,639
Speaker 1: Okay, So my question to you is, I guess I

692
00:35:20,639 --> 00:35:23,480
have a couple of questions. One, why do you need

693
00:35:23,519 --> 00:35:27,960
the TOC to be part of this season ending stop?

694
00:35:28,039 --> 00:35:31,239
Can't you obviously if there's some sort of financial aspect

695
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:34,800
between the two partners, which they're likely is I feel

696
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,679
like you can still achieve that by just having a

697
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,559
w SP circuit stop, Like you don't need the Tournament

698
00:35:40,599 --> 00:35:43,039
of Champions there. Yeah, but then I would think.

699
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,079
Speaker 2: Players want go to commerce to play the other events.

700
00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:49,119
Speaker 1: I mean, okay, but like you're still Commerce always draws

701
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:51,320
very well. It's la like it's gonna draw very well

702
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:53,320
if you put together a good schedule events, you have

703
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,039
a decent guarantee, Like ultimately, I think it's gonna draw.

704
00:35:56,360 --> 00:36:00,679
I don't think getting you know, twenty five people from

705
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,039
Vegas to you know, Chrek out there, like the Jeremy

706
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:05,920
Becker's of the world, really is going to affect their

707
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,679
bottom line all that much. I just I just don't

708
00:36:08,679 --> 00:36:09,000
think so.

709
00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 2: I think the biggest issue they really have is the

710
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,119
announcement of this event. World Series came out in what

711
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:20,199
was it, late February. Here's the schedule, you know how

712
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:22,880
people act, okay and book here are the events I play.

713
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:25,840
I need one hundred and twenty five thousand. I'm going

714
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,880
to fly out this date, come back this date. When

715
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:31,280
you delay the announcement of this which was you know

716
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,960
that happened in the last two years, and it's significantly earlier,

717
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,719
you know than the World Series, pretty much nearly two

718
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:42,480
weeks earlier, people aren't going to travel the BRACEI of

719
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:47,559
winners from Europe or from South America or even people

720
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:50,239
here in the United States on the East Coast or

721
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,199
down in Florida wherever it is. Do they really want

722
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,119
to come to LA fly back or do they want

723
00:36:57,159 --> 00:36:59,239
to come to LA and then find accommodation for a

724
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,440
week and start the World Series. So a little bit

725
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,920
more harmony in the announcements would go a long way.

726
00:37:06,519 --> 00:37:09,400
Or essentially, you know, there's no reason why you couldn't

727
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:14,719
play this this weekend, so it's literally on the doorstep

728
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:19,159
of the WSP so that you know you can get

729
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,920
everyone coming in for the weekend playing this World Series

730
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:24,559
starts on Tuesday. I think you mentioned there was what

731
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:27,679
six hundred people that didn't play this event that qualified.

732
00:37:28,639 --> 00:37:31,000
That would probably go a long way to getting some

733
00:37:31,159 --> 00:37:34,920
percentage of those six hundred to participate in the TOC,

734
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:37,599
because in a perfect world, they want everyone playing, just

735
00:37:37,639 --> 00:37:39,880
like for our PGT Championship, we want everyone playing. But

736
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:42,400
things come off with people, so you have to do

737
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:45,519
what you can to try and make that happen.

738
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I understand. On one hand, you know,

739
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,639
you get a fresh audience, change of venue. I personally

740
00:37:54,119 --> 00:37:57,039
love Commerce. I think it's iconic with a lot of

741
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,000
courts and everything. I just you know, I like it.

742
00:38:00,079 --> 00:38:03,400
I like the grungy aspect of it all. You know,

743
00:38:03,599 --> 00:38:06,280
like I don't know, I just I always have it was.

744
00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:09,360
It's a lot of it is just nostalgia. You know.

745
00:38:09,519 --> 00:38:13,039
It was such a big venue on the poker scene,

746
00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:16,360
you know, be it paired with the WPTL Poker Classic

747
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,519
for so long. You know, it was like, oh my gosh,

748
00:38:18,599 --> 00:38:21,440
this is commerce. Not only does it have this massive

749
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:23,719
World Poker Tour tournament that you know when we were

750
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:28,800
kind of all getting into poker, was you know, forefront

751
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,760
of all like TV and all that sort of stuff,

752
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,119
but also like it was home to some of these

753
00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:36,159
big crazy cash games and all that sort of stuff.

754
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:39,360
So I just I like that aspect of it, right.

755
00:38:40,599 --> 00:38:42,800
You know. Obviously there's a financial element at play here,

756
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,480
probably with with you know, Caesar Slash w c AP

757
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,039
and and Commerce, so you have that aspect, But I

758
00:38:49,039 --> 00:38:51,840
still think you can check many of those boxes by

759
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:56,880
just having like a robust, essentially season ending WSIP circuit

760
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,039
stop at Commerce and then just keep the TOC in

761
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:02,159
Vegas and then I guess a quick aside here, the

762
00:39:02,199 --> 00:39:04,880
whole season ending thing is also a little bit silly

763
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,800
because you have an event going on in Southern Indiana

764
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:10,480
at the same time. So I don't even understand. You

765
00:39:10,519 --> 00:39:14,079
have the Commerce WSIP circuit event from May eighth to

766
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,119
May twenty fourth, but then you have a Caesar Southern

767
00:39:16,159 --> 00:39:19,079
Indiana one from May eighth to nineteen, So I don't

768
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:22,000
I don't understand how that really works out, like and

769
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:23,920
why you would ever do that, Like I would, I

770
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,800
would blow something up at Commerce right, Like, listen, this

771
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,800
is the this is the season ending event and the

772
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,599
marketing pitch. If you're worried about for example, you know

773
00:39:33,639 --> 00:39:35,559
you said maybe they're worried about getting those players to

774
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,480
travel out there, Well how about just positioning it is

775
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:39,760
this is your final chance to qualify for the TOC

776
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,639
That's the pitch. You know, maybe you slap maybe every

777
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:45,920
you know, every circuit event has what a sixteen hundred

778
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:48,679
dollars buying, Maybe this one's twenty five hunt you know

779
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,159
for the end, and yeah, you can have some other

780
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:52,559
events on the schedule too. I think Commerce and that

781
00:39:52,599 --> 00:39:56,000
market that region can certainly handle a very robust schedule.

782
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,719
Slap a little bit of a bigger guarantee on it,

783
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,519
like you could go twenty five one hundred and five

784
00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:03,199
million guarantee. I think you could hit with that for

785
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,840
sure in La Let's go, I think that that could

786
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:09,679
certainly work, So do something like that. I think having

787
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:13,000
it in Vegas is just you get more shine, more

788
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:16,639
spotlight on the event. I think the idea of like

789
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,239
essentially winning a trip to Vegas like in a way,

790
00:40:20,360 --> 00:40:22,800
I know you ultimately still have to travel there and whatever,

791
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:26,199
but like, there is only a small group of the

792
00:40:26,239 --> 00:40:30,239
community that wins the exclusive right to play in this tournament,

793
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,039
So why not do that in Vegas, which then ultimately

794
00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:36,119
like you get some of those people to fire more

795
00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:39,840
stuff in Vegas at the doubasp. So I think I

796
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,800
think it just feels disconnected to me, you know, I

797
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,400
would rather kind of all be in Vegas. Like, you know,

798
00:40:46,559 --> 00:40:49,519
I didn't really see too much coverage of this, you know,

799
00:40:49,639 --> 00:40:53,320
it took wasop dot com didn't have a winter story

800
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,719
up for a day or two, like poker dot Org

801
00:40:55,800 --> 00:40:57,239
was the only one that had a winter story up

802
00:40:57,239 --> 00:40:59,599
about the Kevin Lee winning it. You know. It's also

803
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:01,639
to me it seems a little bit weird that you

804
00:41:01,679 --> 00:41:04,199
have the TOC, but then the Tournament of Champions or sorry,

805
00:41:04,199 --> 00:41:06,360
you have the TOC and then the regular main event

806
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,320
at Commerce finishes out, It's like, I don't, I don't

807
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:13,360
kind of understand. I mean, like you can throw out

808
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,239
the idea of a season ending event, but is it

809
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:18,199
really ending the season because I don't is it not?

810
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:18,679
Speaker 2: Is it?

811
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,039
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know. It's kind of just confusing

812
00:41:21,079 --> 00:41:24,880
and disconnected to me. So I would I would move

813
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:27,039
it to Vegas. I would make kind of a celebration

814
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,280
of the whole thing, you know, do it up really big,

815
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,400
you know, make sure that it was streamed out of Vegas,

816
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,079
because I think that, you know, you would want to

817
00:41:36,119 --> 00:41:38,119
make it so that those people get their quote unquote

818
00:41:38,159 --> 00:41:41,000
fifteen minutes in the spotlight that make the final table.

819
00:41:41,039 --> 00:41:43,400
So I would try and do all those sorts of

820
00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,199
things versus just kind of in a way, ushering it

821
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:49,679
off over here in La at Commerce. I also do

822
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:51,320
think if it is in Vegas, you're going to get

823
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,840
more people in it, right, you know, like you said,

824
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,519
people people might be like, Okay, I'm going to Vegas

825
00:41:56,559 --> 00:41:59,679
for six weeks. Now I got to make this trip

826
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:02,800
to LA I mean, okay, I'll pass on that and

827
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:04,559
I'll just I'll just go to Vegas, like I would

828
00:42:04,599 --> 00:42:06,440
be curious to know how many of those people there

829
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:10,039
are there are out there. So so yeah, those are

830
00:42:10,079 --> 00:42:14,000
our thoughts on the TOC and congratulations to Kevin Lee,

831
00:42:14,039 --> 00:42:20,239
first bracelet winner of twenty twenty five. All right, speaking

832
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:23,000
of bracelets, did you know that Sean Deeb gives away

833
00:42:23,079 --> 00:42:24,039
all of his bracelets?

834
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,159
Speaker 2: Did you know that I knew he gave away bracelets.

835
00:42:27,159 --> 00:42:29,400
I didn't know he had given away all his bracelets.

836
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:32,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did not know until there was an article

837
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:36,159
that dropped recently on pokernews dot com. Chad Holloway, a

838
00:42:36,199 --> 00:42:39,840
friend of ours, did the article. He spoke with Sean

839
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,039
Deeb and yeah, Sean deep is a six time DISSIP

840
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,920
Gold bracelet winner. The twenty twenty five DOASIP is right

841
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,800
around the corner, so you know he's one of the

842
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:52,280
favorites of course to add to his tally, And he

843
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:54,840
chatted with Chad and you know, of poker News to

844
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:58,320
explain why he's given away every single bracelet that he's won.

845
00:42:59,679 --> 00:43:02,280
I mean, I was kind of shocked. I read the

846
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:03,960
story and I thought it was also kind of cool.

847
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:08,280
You know, he's given him away to family, to close friends.

848
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:10,960
Most recently, I think he gave the one away in

849
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,400
the honor of his really good friend and the late

850
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:19,159
Theyer Rasmussen. You know, his bracelet recipients include his grandma, wife, dad, uncle,

851
00:43:19,559 --> 00:43:22,679
friend battling cancer. All this was was in the story,

852
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:25,199
of course, the one that he gave in honor of

853
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,280
the late theyer Rasmussen went to Thayer's family and then

854
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:33,159
it actually turns out that I believe Thayer's mom wanted

855
00:43:33,239 --> 00:43:36,880
like everyone to have it, so they broke it down. Basically,

856
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,519
they had like a jeweler to break it down, I guess,

857
00:43:38,519 --> 00:43:41,360
and then everyone kind of got to take different pieces.

858
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,800
I think it was ultimately nine pieces where we're given

859
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,960
out to the different family members, so that was kind

860
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:48,840
of cool. He only plans to keep a bracelet if

861
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,079
it's the w Spey main event or the fifty k

862
00:43:51,159 --> 00:43:55,159
PPC calls those ones the only ones that matter enough,

863
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,519
so we'll see if ultimately that happens. You know, if

864
00:43:58,519 --> 00:44:00,960
anyone's got a shot to win one of those two tournaments,

865
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,000
I would say Sean Deeves, you know, right there as

866
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:05,679
one of the favorites. And then he also mentioned that,

867
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:08,639
you know, should he win another bracelet, it's likely that

868
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,199
his kids are next in line, but because he has

869
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,480
multiple kids, he's gonna need to win multiple bracelets in

870
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:16,480
a year, so there's no kind of rivalry going on.

871
00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:19,599
Do you think giving away bracelets like deep does do

872
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:22,079
you like? Do you think that makes the win more meaningful?

873
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,840
Does it possibly diminish the result or the bracelet?

874
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 2: Like?

875
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 1: What do you think about this sort of representation?

876
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:33,320
Speaker 2: I think it makes it more meaningful or diminishes it

877
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:37,519
at all. It's an individual kind of choice. Some people

878
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,960
like trophy, some people don't. You know, we hear so

879
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:46,199
many stories about bracelet winners losing their bracelet or putting

880
00:44:46,199 --> 00:44:48,440
it in a safety positive safety to posit bux and

881
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,440
forgetting about it or giving it to you know, their dad.

882
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:54,440
You know. Then you've got players like Nigrano that have

883
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,360
him all displayed in his office. Right, So I think

884
00:44:57,400 --> 00:44:59,800
each to their own, do whatever you want. You can

885
00:44:59,840 --> 00:45:01,440
care about him as much as you want. You know,

886
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,960
you'll always remember that you want, right, It's always etched in,

887
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:08,800
etched in WSP history, so it's not going anywhere. And

888
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:11,800
I'm guessing that for all these people he gave it to,

889
00:45:12,840 --> 00:45:15,119
it kind of means probably more to them than it

890
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:16,519
does to to Sean.

891
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,519
Speaker 1: I think it probably just depends on your relationship with

892
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:24,960
the game ultimately. I think I think it also gives

893
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:30,599
a little bit of a look into Sean Dieve as

894
00:45:30,599 --> 00:45:34,440
a person, as a character, you know, meaning that he

895
00:45:34,519 --> 00:45:39,480
obviously cares about his relationships. I think he's got you know,

896
00:45:39,639 --> 00:45:43,519
strong ties to family, to friends, and they're all rooted

897
00:45:43,599 --> 00:45:46,639
in his foundation here. So I don't think that you know,

898
00:45:46,719 --> 00:45:49,239
gifting bracelets away like this cheapens it in any sort

899
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:53,880
of way. It just simply repurposes the value with things.

900
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:57,320
It's it's not necessarily that this bracelet, which is ultimately

901
00:45:57,320 --> 00:46:01,639
the trophy in this space, that's not really the win.

902
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,559
It's just a symbol of the accomplishment. So I think that,

903
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,639
you know, building off of that, it probably adds to

904
00:46:07,719 --> 00:46:10,719
the meeting, right. You know, most players probably win and

905
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,159
they toss a bracelet in a drawer or in the

906
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:15,280
little box that it comes with and stick it in

907
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:17,800
their desk or whatever it may be. Yeah, some people

908
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:21,679
display it, of course, but deeb is taking the approach

909
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:25,440
that he's trying to use it to connect people and

910
00:46:25,480 --> 00:46:28,280
in a way it has more impact than simply showing

911
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,960
it off in a trophy case or a display case

912
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,280
that maybe you and your immediate family are the only

913
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,079
ones that see, because you know, how often are really

914
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:38,239
people coming over to your house to check out everything

915
00:46:38,239 --> 00:46:40,719
and whatever. I think it only in terms of like

916
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:43,280
possibly downplaying it, like some people might say, oh, well,

917
00:46:43,320 --> 00:46:45,760
he's why would you give away a bracelet, Like isn't

918
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:47,760
that the ultimate prize in poker and whatever? I mean,

919
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:50,599
I guess if you need it for some sort of

920
00:46:50,639 --> 00:46:55,119
like external validation, right, Like, probably the people that need

921
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:57,039
the external validation the most. It might be the ones

922
00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:00,880
who actually wear the bracelets, like in the tournaments, you know, like, oh,

923
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,400
why you got that on? So you get asked me

924
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,960
about it and I could talk about my accomplishment, like right. So,

925
00:47:06,679 --> 00:47:10,159
I mean, Sean Deep's done enough. I think it's you

926
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,400
don't need to say anything about his career. He doesn't

927
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,199
need the bracelet, He doesn't need that sort of jewelry

928
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:17,840
to prove anything. He is who he is. He's one

929
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:21,280
of the absolute best in the world. So I think

930
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:24,760
it's just kind of a kind of a cool thing overall,

931
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:29,239
where it ultimately kind of humanizes him, probably not so

932
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,480
much so to like you and I, because we kind

933
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,239
of know him, but like to the just I guess

934
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,519
the common poker fan that might read this story and

935
00:47:36,559 --> 00:47:39,119
see it, because it's kind of hard to have a

936
00:47:39,199 --> 00:47:42,559
level of connection with someone you see that's so large

937
00:47:42,599 --> 00:47:47,239
within an industry. You know, he's this big iconic poker player,

938
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,679
and it shows that he's again kind of rooted in

939
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:55,719
family and friendships and he values stuff beyond the game,

940
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,480
which I think you and I can say, yeah, this

941
00:47:58,639 --> 00:48:01,760
is part of Sean Deep's character because we know him

942
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:05,079
more so than just seeing him on the screen, and

943
00:48:05,119 --> 00:48:07,800
it's it's certainly something to said that should be said

944
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,400
about being remembered, you know, for how you want and

945
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:13,440
what you did kind of in the week of that

946
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,480
that win and that triumph and who you are off

947
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:19,840
the table versus just you know, I guess collecting accolades

948
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:23,760
and showing them off. So so yeah, I mean shout

949
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:27,920
out to Sean Deep for that. Now, he said he

950
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:32,199
would keep the main event, which is obviously an insane bracelet.

951
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:34,320
They say it's value to two hundred and fifty thousand

952
00:48:34,320 --> 00:48:38,000
dollars and the fifty k PPC, which I think, I

953
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:40,519
think the vid DKPPC is more of a regular bracelet, right,

954
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:44,960
it's not. Yeah, I think so special? Do you agree with?

955
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:47,320
Those are the ones that you would hold on.

956
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 2: To, that hold on everything. I mean unless someone offers

957
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,679
me money for the south Point, not the coin. But hey,

958
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:58,480
like I said, it's his choice. You know, if he's

959
00:48:58,519 --> 00:49:01,559
going to select those two, maybe those two a pretty

960
00:49:01,559 --> 00:49:03,559
good ones. Maybe if he wins the tenth, that's a

961
00:49:03,559 --> 00:49:07,519
good one. In Cape. Yeah, I got no problems with that.

962
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,880
I didn't give him mine away.

963
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:13,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the main event one. The main event

964
00:49:13,119 --> 00:49:16,079
one's like so kind of It's interesting to me because

965
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:24,320
on one side of it, you know, you like you

966
00:49:24,400 --> 00:49:28,400
obviously want to keep that because it's it's absolutely incredible.

967
00:49:28,519 --> 00:49:32,960
Right on the other side of things, I could strongly

968
00:49:33,039 --> 00:49:35,840
make the case that I don't need a two hundred

969
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,440
and fifty thousand dollars trophy. I mean, what like that

970
00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:45,719
just seems wild to me.

971
00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,360
Speaker 2: Me right, Like if it's really twenty and fifty k,

972
00:49:46,519 --> 00:49:48,159
that's insane.

973
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 1: Like if you if you could, I mean, obviously there's

974
00:49:50,599 --> 00:49:52,960
there's always those things where it's like this is valued

975
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,559
at X versus like if you actually tried to sell it,

976
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:58,400
could you get X? You know, Now, let's say you

977
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:01,039
could let's say those things were say X equals x.

978
00:50:01,039 --> 00:50:02,880
In this case, for sure it's not X equals y.

979
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,280
So if you could sell it for two hundred and

980
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:10,199
fifty K, I mean it would be hard not to, right,

981
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:10,719
I mean, like.

982
00:50:10,679 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 2: What the real question is what percentage of myself that

983
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:14,599
I have in the main event?

984
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well even who cares? Even if you even if

985
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:20,239
you have half of yourself? Right you win ten million,

986
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,199
you get half, you get five million after taxes, that's

987
00:50:22,199 --> 00:50:22,760
three million.

988
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 2: I might see.

989
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, you could think it's a lot of frigging money.

990
00:50:26,519 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: I would have to sell it then. I think like you.

991
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: Would almost be like, hey, you go to a jeweler

992
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,519
and you spend like you spend like twenty five K

993
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:38,159
on a replica. Yeah right, but and then you sell

994
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:40,719
it for two fifty you know, you pocket the difference,

995
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,159
like it just I don't know, it just seems crazy

996
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,159
that it's it's that it's worth so much.

997
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 2: The problem is you can't secretly sell it. Like you know,

998
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:52,119
let's say you have a diamond ring or diamond earrings.

999
00:50:52,199 --> 00:50:54,360
You can sell that no one cares, but like these

1000
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:58,519
are all unique things that the info would get out.

1001
00:50:58,559 --> 00:50:59,320
And sure, but.

1002
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,440
Speaker 1: Also, what if, what if there's a chance, what if

1003
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:04,239
like what if okay, what if you could sell it?

1004
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:06,679
You throw it up on eBay two hundred and fifty

1005
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,400
k okay, you know, and it's obviously it's out there

1006
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,440
and everyone then knows your thing. Or what if you

1007
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,400
were able to go to a jeweler and hey, hey,

1008
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,719
would you basically buy the parts, like would you buy

1009
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,159
all the diamonds it melts it? Yeah? If you could

1010
00:51:21,199 --> 00:51:23,039
dismantle it and take it apart, you can do that.

1011
00:51:23,159 --> 00:51:24,760
You can melt down the gold, you can take the

1012
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,320
diamonds or whatever. But they're only going to give you

1013
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:27,079
a hundred and fifty k.

1014
00:51:27,119 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 2: I would do that instead.

1015
00:51:28,199 --> 00:51:30,400
Speaker 1: And but then but with that, it's also like not

1016
00:51:30,559 --> 00:51:32,599
known because it's only between you and the jeweler.

1017
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: I would do that.

1018
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:38,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would create a replica and sell the

1019
00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:40,639
real I mean personally, I mean, I just it's so

1020
00:51:40,719 --> 00:51:42,400
much money. It's just insane to me.

1021
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:45,119
Speaker 2: It is so much money, Like it's just like.

1022
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:48,119
Speaker 1: What huh you know? I mean I understand that, Like

1023
00:51:48,679 --> 00:51:50,639
I guess the idea behind it is like you don't

1024
00:51:50,679 --> 00:51:52,519
need to sell it if you win ten million dollars.

1025
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:54,840
But we all know, no one has one hundred percent

1026
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,760
of themselves other than like twelve people in that tournament.

1027
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:03,039
So yeah, I just think it's I just think it's, uh,

1028
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:06,840
it's definitely definitely crazy. I also thought it was a

1029
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,639
little bit I guess interesting that Deep didn't at least

1030
00:52:11,719 --> 00:52:14,119
keep the first one, like you feel like the first

1031
00:52:14,119 --> 00:52:17,079
one for sure, you know, like, that's okay, my first one,

1032
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:19,119
whatever it is, doesn't matter if it's freaking the fifteen

1033
00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,960
raz tournament or you know whatever, it doesn't matter my

1034
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,559
first bracelet. Okay, I'm gonna keep that one. The other

1035
00:52:25,599 --> 00:52:26,239
one's you know.

1036
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:28,639
Speaker 2: What I mean. Let we all know Sean's little cocky,

1037
00:52:28,760 --> 00:52:30,920
so he probably once he won the first one, he's like, well,

1038
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:33,519
I'll get the next one a couple weeks probably, So

1039
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:37,280
here he got grandma, all right.

1040
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:39,639
Speaker 1: Moving on to another big name poker player, Alex Foxen.

1041
00:52:40,159 --> 00:52:42,880
Kind of a bone to pick with Alex Foxen kind

1042
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:45,360
of a bone to pick with poker dot org. So

1043
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:50,920
they wrote an article that was titled ninety hours on

1044
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:54,960
stream question mark, Alex Foxen said the w S Spotlight

1045
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:59,920
needs limits. This is by Craig Tapscott. Now, Foxen is

1046
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:05,239
an incredible player. I just took a little bit about

1047
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,760
this where I mean he's talking about his wife Kristen

1048
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:13,840
Fox and playing on THEWS main event stream for ninety

1049
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:19,400
hours last summer, which I'm not sure if I have

1050
00:53:19,519 --> 00:53:23,199
more of an issue with the exaggeration on Fox's behalf,

1051
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:28,440
which I think is probably the least of my issue,

1052
00:53:29,079 --> 00:53:31,880
versus the fact that poker dot Org just decided to

1053
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,199
run the clickbait title and not even fact check it.

1054
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,719
I think I have a bigger issue with that, Yeah,

1055
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:43,320
because you could very easily fact check this. I mean,

1056
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,360
I don't think that she was on for ninety hours.

1057
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,000
I looked at the numbers and it was not anywhere

1058
00:53:50,039 --> 00:53:52,719
close by the math that I saw.

1059
00:53:53,639 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: So she was up there a lot, but it wasn't

1060
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:57,320
it wasn't ninety hours.

1061
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,800
Speaker 1: Oh, she was for sure up there a lot. I mean,

1062
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:03,119
I just want to keep it, you know, closer to

1063
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:07,119
the bone there and not just go too crazy about it. Now.

1064
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,039
I mean, you manage some of this stuff where some

1065
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:12,400
of it is random, right in terms of like what

1066
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:15,960
table you draw or whatever. It's so part of it

1067
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,320
is not only that it's random in terms of like

1068
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,840
let's say Chrissy's table was drawn Okay, that's one thing.

1069
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:23,639
The other thing is like what if there are just

1070
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:27,079
aren't any good tables and she's the only good table,

1071
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:28,760
Like that's the other guess. I can see both sides

1072
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:30,599
of the argument in that sense where it's like, okay,

1073
00:54:30,679 --> 00:54:32,480
one side is you got to put the big names

1074
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:34,880
up there, which Alex did did talk about in this

1075
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:38,400
article that he expects to, you know, have players that

1076
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:41,400
are the bigger names to receive more spotlight. The other

1077
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:45,559
side is, you know, well you can just create more stories. Well,

1078
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:47,920
I don't know if anyone's ever watched when we put

1079
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,480
up a table of relatively unknown people, but people basically

1080
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:54,440
come out with pitchforks trying to kill us. Where's Daniel,

1081
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,800
Where's Ivy? Where's hell the Okay, okay, we get it,

1082
00:54:57,840 --> 00:54:58,880
like we get we get it.

1083
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, the thing I have to say is that

1084
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:04,679
you know, when you're down in the final three tables

1085
00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:07,599
in the main event, you're all under the spotlight. So

1086
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,800
let's just scrap Day eight and then scrap a majority

1087
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:16,480
of Day seven. From day really, from day one a onwards,

1088
00:55:16,519 --> 00:55:19,360
we're always rotating tables. We're always trying to find a

1089
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:21,880
big star to put up there. That people want to watch,

1090
00:55:22,320 --> 00:55:24,599
you know, just picking a random table no one cares,

1091
00:55:24,679 --> 00:55:27,639
and we want people watching, We want people enjoying the

1092
00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:30,320
content and like you said, not complaining that their favorite

1093
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:34,480
players there. So we try and do a rotating table.

1094
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,400
Sometimes hey, that table will stay up for two levels

1095
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,840
instead of one. And then as you get into the

1096
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,280
deeper parts of the tournaments, you know, day five, day six,

1097
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:47,400
day seven, there's less stars, right, you know, people have

1098
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:52,199
busted and the fact that Chrissy is definitely a poker

1099
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:56,360
star it and she was running deep, yes she did.

1100
00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:59,119
She was up there a little bit more than you know,

1101
00:56:00,039 --> 00:56:03,360
forridge shoe on an outer table. But it's kind of

1102
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,360
the you kind of have to accept that when you're

1103
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,920
a professional poker player, a sponsored poker player, that and

1104
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:14,400
this is your livelihood. You are gonna, you know, get

1105
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,440
a little bit draw the short straw occasionally, but that

1106
00:56:17,559 --> 00:56:20,159
normally means you are doing really well and winning a

1107
00:56:20,199 --> 00:56:22,599
lot of money. So if you kind of think of

1108
00:56:22,599 --> 00:56:24,039
it from that side of things.

1109
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 1: Do you think there should be any sort of like cap.

1110
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:28,679
I mean, it probably couldn't be a hard cap, but

1111
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:33,159
you know, some sort of like soft app not really

1112
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:34,320
stuff more than I did.

1113
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:37,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's okay. Not all these tables were

1114
00:56:37,480 --> 00:56:41,960
built around around Chrissy. Some were, some weren't. Some are

1115
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:50,320
chosen because of the the breaking order. So we'll honestly say, hey,

1116
00:56:50,320 --> 00:56:53,039
this is the next table going up, and then when

1117
00:56:53,079 --> 00:56:56,079
they do the when they break a table, Chrissy randomly

1118
00:56:56,119 --> 00:56:58,159
gets that one. That's that's out of our control. We

1119
00:56:58,159 --> 00:57:02,000
don't do the tape breaking. So yeah, there's a bit

1120
00:57:02,039 --> 00:57:05,960
of randomness to how much he's up there. It's kind

1121
00:57:05,960 --> 00:57:07,679
of hard to put a cap. The only place we

1122
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,679
really do that is, you know, we touched on it.

1123
00:57:09,719 --> 00:57:14,039
We're doing six you know, six streams of Day two content,

1124
00:57:14,159 --> 00:57:17,679
like non final table content. During Bracelet events, those tables

1125
00:57:17,679 --> 00:57:21,000
that I pick, we always rotate them out because the

1126
00:57:21,039 --> 00:57:24,639
field is so big and we can nearly get everyone

1127
00:57:24,719 --> 00:57:28,719
up there. Main event much different, much bigger, much harder

1128
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:30,519
to get every table up. So we try and do

1129
00:57:31,199 --> 00:57:33,159
what we can to put on a good show for

1130
00:57:33,239 --> 00:57:33,880
you guys at home.

1131
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:40,280
Speaker 1: Do you think that the average fan under rates the

1132
00:57:40,840 --> 00:57:47,400
additional toll that playing on a streamed table puts on players?

1133
00:57:48,039 --> 00:57:50,159
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's tough up there. Those lights are bright,

1134
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:54,559
the table's big, there's the decisions are magnified because you know,

1135
00:57:54,679 --> 00:57:58,599
people are seeing your cards, seeing your bedsizes, So those

1136
00:57:58,599 --> 00:58:03,880
two factors are very, very big, and I can understand that. Look,

1137
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:07,239
we've sat up there ourselves to do rehearsals or just

1138
00:58:07,239 --> 00:58:10,639
to chat. It's you can feel. You can feel the lights,

1139
00:58:10,639 --> 00:58:13,039
you can feel the heat, and that's and we're not

1140
00:58:13,079 --> 00:58:16,239
even playing for millions of dollars. So I think it's

1141
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:20,159
very underrated how tough it is up there. But like

1142
00:58:20,199 --> 00:58:23,119
I said, we try and you know, make it equal

1143
00:58:23,119 --> 00:58:27,360
for everyone and rotate as many people in and it's tough.

1144
00:58:28,639 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna get scolded for what I'm about to say,

1145
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:33,679
but I'm gonna say it anyway because that's how I am.

1146
00:58:34,199 --> 00:58:37,000
I feel like there's a better way to do the lights.

1147
00:58:37,559 --> 00:58:40,480
I'm not a production guy. I don't know this. I'm

1148
00:58:40,519 --> 00:58:44,039
probably gonna be told that I'm wrong, but I feel

1149
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:48,800
like it's twenty twenty five and so much of technology

1150
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,000
has gotten better in a lot of ways. Like I

1151
00:58:51,039 --> 00:58:54,280
feel like there has to be some sort of softer

1152
00:58:54,880 --> 00:58:57,679
light situation out there. Like I don't know, I just

1153
00:58:57,719 --> 00:59:00,239
I feel like it could happen. I have no idea.

1154
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,800
Maybe I'm completely wrong. I agree with you. Listen, I've

1155
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:08,320
you've been up there on that stage, not not necessarily playing,

1156
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:11,199
but doing rehearsal, sitting up there doing the podcast. You know,

1157
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:13,320
you and I just talking about whatever the heck we're

1158
00:59:13,320 --> 00:59:16,440
talking about, and we're doing it there, and it is

1159
00:59:17,079 --> 00:59:20,039
hot under those lights. I will say that when I

1160
00:59:20,039 --> 00:59:23,400
played on the WP World Championship live stream a couple

1161
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,440
of years ago, it was not that hot under those lights,

1162
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,320
So that could maybe that's a scale thing, because one's

1163
00:59:30,519 --> 00:59:32,119
much bigger, ones much smaller.

1164
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:34,800
Speaker 2: I just you know, yeah, I mean, I'm sure there

1165
00:59:34,840 --> 00:59:38,039
is a solution out there, you know, with better maybe

1166
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:44,639
the words not beat alliance, but less lighting maybe. But yeah,

1167
00:59:45,159 --> 00:59:47,480
it's something that if I was, you know, if I

1168
00:59:47,559 --> 00:59:49,719
went hopefully I'm playing the main event this year, if

1169
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,760
I go up there, you know, I know that's gonna

1170
00:59:53,039 --> 00:59:54,480
there's going to be a bit of an adatoe. But

1171
00:59:54,519 --> 00:59:56,239
it's also, hey, I get to play on a feature

1172
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:58,880
that that's kind of cool, so I ain't gonna complain.

1173
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:02,639
But I also, I'm not a multi bracet winning professional

1174
01:00:02,679 --> 01:00:05,920
procle player playing for millions, millions of dollars.

1175
01:00:06,199 --> 01:00:09,159
Speaker 1: I get it, you know, part of it we can say,

1176
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:12,079
is it's kind of the price to pay for getting

1177
01:00:12,119 --> 01:00:15,119
your spot in your time in the spotlight. You know.

1178
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:19,760
I also understand that it's it is a bit taxing.

1179
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:23,320
I personally don't like things at least at certain stages

1180
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,320
of the tournament where you know, people on streams can't

1181
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:31,360
have access to their phones. I don't personally like that.

1182
01:00:33,159 --> 01:00:36,000
I've thrown a mindor fit about that in the past,

1183
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,840
but it is. It is what it is. So I

1184
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:40,920
just think that there are some some you know, sort

1185
01:00:40,960 --> 01:00:43,679
of disadvantages or whatnot. I also think that there's probably

1186
01:00:43,679 --> 01:00:47,639
some advantages in terms of like a better player who's

1187
01:00:47,719 --> 01:00:50,519
used to it can probably get an advantage over his table,

1188
01:00:51,039 --> 01:00:54,920
you know, like the ws main events as the biggest example,

1189
01:00:55,039 --> 01:00:59,039
So that's an added benefit. So so yeah, now it

1190
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:02,320
was also in the article goal That's Foxin mentioned, you know,

1191
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:07,000
the whole like length of tournaments and days and that

1192
01:01:07,039 --> 01:01:08,559
sort of stuff, which is kind of akin to what

1193
01:01:08,599 --> 01:01:10,360
Phil Helmuth was saying when he came out with that

1194
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:12,119
whole thing about how he's not playing the WSC main

1195
01:01:12,159 --> 01:01:14,960
event because it's too long. He can't do it, you know.

1196
01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:19,239
So I guess to you are players like Helmuth, like

1197
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,000
Fox and that are coming out with that sort of

1198
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:25,159
thought process. Are they right that the organizers are I guess,

1199
01:01:25,159 --> 01:01:29,039
in a way being greedy, you know, like or is

1200
01:01:29,320 --> 01:01:31,280
or is again? Is this just kind of the nature

1201
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:34,400
of things? You know, maybe it's not just necessarily greed,

1202
01:01:34,519 --> 01:01:37,239
or it's just an unwillingness to change. I think the

1203
01:01:37,719 --> 01:01:41,079
idea of the greed comes from that, Well, if you

1204
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:45,960
add an extra day, that's obviously more money for the organizer, right,

1205
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:47,760
you have to pay more dealers, you have to staff

1206
01:01:47,800 --> 01:01:50,840
more people, whatever. So like, is it is it then

1207
01:01:51,239 --> 01:01:53,599
greedy to try and condense it as much as possible

1208
01:01:53,639 --> 01:01:55,639
so you don't have to pay all those extra days?

1209
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,239
I mean, do you think that the WS main event

1210
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:01,840
should go in extra day out? I can't remember. I

1211
01:02:01,840 --> 01:02:03,519
know we talked about the helmet thing. I don't remember

1212
01:02:03,559 --> 01:02:05,920
if we specifically talked like about our thoughts of like

1213
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,679
should the main event be extended? Like you know, maybe

1214
01:02:09,679 --> 01:02:11,760
we did and we said that, like the level should

1215
01:02:11,760 --> 01:02:13,239
be shorter kind of earlier on.

1216
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about but I think that's so. Yeah,

1217
01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:19,639
I wanted ninety minute levels until like registration ends or

1218
01:02:19,639 --> 01:02:23,719
something that would cut off a few hours, and I

1219
01:02:23,719 --> 01:02:26,159
think it would make the tournament, you know, much better.

1220
01:02:26,159 --> 01:02:28,199
I think we three or four years ago we said

1221
01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:30,679
it needs a day eight, and then we had that

1222
01:02:30,719 --> 01:02:32,800
one year where the day seven went to six am.

1223
01:02:32,920 --> 01:02:34,559
So then the next year they added the day eight.

1224
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:41,000
And sometimes these poker players, I don't think they think

1225
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:45,440
about everything when it comes to hey, let's make the

1226
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:50,760
tournament like longer, like better structure. Well, when you do that,

1227
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:54,760
we need dealers longer, we need supervisors longer. That means

1228
01:02:54,800 --> 01:02:56,360
I'm gonna have to charge you more rake, but then

1229
01:02:56,400 --> 01:02:59,159
they'll complain about too much rake. So it's about finding

1230
01:02:59,159 --> 01:03:02,880
the middle ground. So you know, if we tell like

1231
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,239
if you're helme with on Fox and want more days,

1232
01:03:06,719 --> 01:03:10,960
are they okay with instead of seven hundred raak eight fifty?

1233
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,119
You know, let's let's ask them that question first. I

1234
01:03:16,119 --> 01:03:17,960
think some people think, hey, we can just add a

1235
01:03:17,960 --> 01:03:21,119
few days, it doesn't matter, just like these like mixed

1236
01:03:21,119 --> 01:03:24,519
game structures, which are you know, taking forever to get

1237
01:03:24,559 --> 01:03:26,679
down to the money, but people still wanting to play

1238
01:03:26,719 --> 01:03:31,679
for eighteen hours and then they're complaining about excessive rate.

1239
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,400
So I don't think we're ever going to win with

1240
01:03:34,599 --> 01:03:38,440
these poker players and that battle between length of time

1241
01:03:38,480 --> 01:03:39,679
and fees.

1242
01:03:41,119 --> 01:03:45,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think this event specifically, I mean, I've always

1243
01:03:45,639 --> 01:03:48,039
really liked the endurance aspect of it. Yeah, you know,

1244
01:03:48,199 --> 01:03:49,960
part of it is you have to be able to

1245
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:56,239
play really, really, really well for almost two weeks. And

1246
01:03:57,079 --> 01:04:01,000
if you're going to win Poker's crowning event, the biggest,

1247
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:04,039
most prestigious event in the world, that should probably be

1248
01:04:04,159 --> 01:04:09,679
some sort of factor in it, which I like. And

1249
01:04:09,840 --> 01:04:12,079
you know, I'm sure there's plenty of disagreement there, but

1250
01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,239
you know, that's how I feel. I also think that

1251
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:20,159
something that people kind of overlook is that this event,

1252
01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:23,920
more so than any other event, I think, is paramount

1253
01:04:24,039 --> 01:04:28,760
in growing the game, just simply because it it is

1254
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,960
poker's biggest showcase and it's the event that ultimately everyone

1255
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,559
you know wants to eventually play. It's that bucket list item,

1256
01:04:35,639 --> 01:04:39,880
all that sort of stuff. And I think if you

1257
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:44,679
ultimately were to make the event in any sort of

1258
01:04:44,719 --> 01:04:50,639
way better for the pros, it ultimately hurts the growth

1259
01:04:50,679 --> 01:04:56,039
of poker because amateurs have less of a shot, recreational

1260
01:04:56,519 --> 01:04:59,480
less of a shot, like, so, if you're making this

1261
01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:07,280
chain to ultimately make it better for the pros then yeah,

1262
01:05:07,320 --> 01:05:09,440
because I I think I think the amateur is, like

1263
01:05:09,519 --> 01:05:12,000
I don't think that they necessarily care about the light

1264
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:14,440
length of it, like, you know, at least so much

1265
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:16,599
so that it that it matters. But if you're gonna

1266
01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:18,639
allow I mean, let's just use it, because we're we're

1267
01:05:18,679 --> 01:05:20,519
on this topic. If you're gonna allow Alex Fox in

1268
01:05:21,239 --> 01:05:24,960
more time to play his a game, recreational player is

1269
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:27,960
never gonna win. I it's not exactly so. And I

1270
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,239
mean that also goes to your point of like I've

1271
01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:33,159
kind of think two hours is too long of levels

1272
01:05:33,199 --> 01:05:35,679
for this thing. It's you know, having played it now

1273
01:05:35,719 --> 01:05:38,679
a couple of times, sometimes I'm sitting there like, holy god,

1274
01:05:38,719 --> 01:05:44,440
this is taking forever. So so yeah, but I think

1275
01:05:44,440 --> 01:05:49,199
there's obviously some sort of compromise there. Maybe you do

1276
01:05:49,320 --> 01:05:51,920
the thing that you said, you know, it's it's shortened

1277
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:56,199
levels prior to registration closing. Then it goes to two hours, right,

1278
01:05:56,599 --> 01:05:59,599
you know something like that. I also, like, you know,

1279
01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:02,159
to kind of play Devil's Advocate to myself, I like

1280
01:06:02,239 --> 01:06:05,679
that this event is different than every other event in

1281
01:06:05,719 --> 01:06:08,480
the world in terms of like level length and structure,

1282
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:10,599
Like it's just it really is the best of the best.

1283
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:13,800
I do like that. I just I just think that

1284
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,320
there's a line where you could possibly cross it that

1285
01:06:17,400 --> 01:06:20,480
if you make it, if you make it too difficult

1286
01:06:20,599 --> 01:06:23,039
for a recreational player or an amateur player to ever

1287
01:06:23,079 --> 01:06:25,159
win the event again, you know, are we ever? Are

1288
01:06:25,159 --> 01:06:29,960
we just losing something in the big picture? Is my concern.

1289
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:33,599
Small concern, but but yeah, you know, like I'm sure

1290
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:36,280
the I'm sure top pros to be like, yeah, make

1291
01:06:36,320 --> 01:06:39,480
it three weeks, three hour levels, you know, like like

1292
01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:41,599
that's what we're gonna do. And like, yeah, over time,

1293
01:06:41,639 --> 01:06:44,159
they're just gonna grind out all the good players like

1294
01:06:44,599 --> 01:06:46,079
or all the all the bad players like, and they're

1295
01:06:46,079 --> 01:06:47,559
just gonna all the money's gonna go to all the

1296
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:51,679
good players. That's gonna happen, you know. But I think

1297
01:06:51,719 --> 01:06:56,039
it's good to have a Chris Moneymaker esque run story

1298
01:06:56,119 --> 01:06:59,719
whatever it may be, to get that. You know, nowadays

1299
01:06:59,800 --> 01:07:04,760
we really do see eight to nine really really good players.

1300
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,320
Now they might not be big, big known or well

1301
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:10,800
known big names that make the foul table, but generally speaking,

1302
01:07:10,800 --> 01:07:12,679
the people that make the found table are pretty good

1303
01:07:12,679 --> 01:07:16,280
at poke, you know. So, so yeah, that's kind of

1304
01:07:16,320 --> 01:07:20,519
the tricky aspect there, like does it ultimately hurt things

1305
01:07:20,719 --> 01:07:23,719
or not? Now, maybe it's it's something that I'm making

1306
01:07:24,039 --> 01:07:27,559
bigger than it really is in the grand scheme of things,

1307
01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:30,639
but I think it's worth considering, so I brought it up.

1308
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:36,199
So yeah, anything else from you?

1309
01:07:36,199 --> 01:07:37,719
Speaker 2: No, I'm just ready for the World Series?

1310
01:07:38,199 --> 01:07:38,840
Speaker 1: Are you really?

1311
01:07:39,280 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 2: Of course?

1312
01:07:40,440 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: How ready? Scale one to ten?

1313
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:45,079
Speaker 2: We need to touch up the mallet a little bit

1314
01:07:45,079 --> 01:07:46,679
on the side, make it a little short of.

1315
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:50,119
Speaker 1: God to the What are the what are the outfits

1316
01:07:50,119 --> 01:07:51,599
going to be like this summer? Are we? Are we

1317
01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,159
thinking cowboy themed? Are you? Are you doing something?

1318
01:07:56,320 --> 01:07:58,440
Speaker 2: Okay? Two outfits planned? One it's for the twenty five

1319
01:07:58,519 --> 01:08:02,159
K fifty days, I know, but I can wing the

1320
01:08:02,159 --> 01:08:06,559
rest of it. Twenty five K fantasy. Just picture the

1321
01:08:06,599 --> 01:08:10,920
most redneck you've ever seen me. That's for the twenty

1322
01:08:10,920 --> 01:08:11,800
five K fantasy.

1323
01:08:12,039 --> 01:08:14,599
Speaker 1: And I'm looking at the most redneck you have no

1324
01:08:14,760 --> 01:08:16,920
shirt on the pot like all right now on my

1325
01:08:17,039 --> 01:08:19,960
videos it's with a giant mustache. There has never been

1326
01:08:20,000 --> 01:08:21,119
more of a red neck book.

1327
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 2: And then and then I have a you know how

1328
01:08:25,439 --> 01:08:31,039
I always have those Binnian's horseshoe w SP like satin yeah, jackets. Okay,

1329
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:35,199
I got a let's just say, a Cowboy version coming.

1330
01:08:36,359 --> 01:08:36,880
It's getting a.

1331
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:38,520
Speaker 1: Little PGT version.

1332
01:08:39,319 --> 01:08:41,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I need I need to get a PGT one too,

1333
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:43,840
But come on, we'll start with the Cowboy one. We'll

1334
01:08:43,840 --> 01:08:48,000
see how that fares. It's getting a little edit by

1335
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,079
a friend of mine, so yeah, that's kind of it.

1336
01:08:52,119 --> 01:08:53,760
And then we'll just wing it. We'll do some we'll

1337
01:08:53,760 --> 01:08:57,079
do some boots, and we'll figure it out. Not too

1338
01:08:57,159 --> 01:09:00,600
not too wirried, just let the mullet flowed freely through

1339
01:09:00,600 --> 01:09:02,760
the breeze of the horse Street.

1340
01:09:04,039 --> 01:09:08,520
Speaker 1: I can't wait, and.

1341
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:08,600
Speaker 2: I don't want more surprise, but I can't really talk

1342
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,439
about in the pod. I mean a couple of people know.

1343
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:15,039
But when it happens, we'll talk a bit more about it.

1344
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:17,359
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean I have no idea what that is,

1345
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:20,640
but okay, Yes, we got the twenty five K Fantasy

1346
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:24,479
Draft coming up on Tuesday, a week from today, Tuesday,

1347
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:28,720
May twenty seventh, one pm, Vegas time. It's happening at

1348
01:09:28,760 --> 01:09:31,119
the poker Gro studio. Poker Girl will be streaming it

1349
01:09:31,680 --> 01:09:34,319
on poke Grol on the poker Gro YouTube channel, So

1350
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:37,399
if you want to tune into that sort of thing,

1351
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,800
please go ahead and do so. Tim is going to

1352
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,800
be the auctioneer. I will be in there with our

1353
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:47,159
team drafting. Am I am paired up with my good friend,

1354
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:52,159
colleague of ours, longtime poker industry veteran, Mickey Doft. We

1355
01:09:52,199 --> 01:09:55,680
are in there, Mickey and drafting. Yeah, he's here, he

1356
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:58,439
gets here, he gets here Sunday, he'll be here in

1357
01:09:58,479 --> 01:10:02,800
the draft room. I have not put in more research.

1358
01:10:03,199 --> 01:10:05,920
I've put in the most research I ever have. Oh wow,

1359
01:10:06,359 --> 01:10:09,880
I've had. I've talked more with Mickey than I've talked

1360
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:11,960
with anyone else I've been paired with. So we are

1361
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:12,520
ready to go.

1362
01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:13,319
Speaker 2: Now.

1363
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,119
Speaker 1: It's probably all going to fall apart like it always does,

1364
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:19,520
but we have a really good idea of what we

1365
01:10:19,560 --> 01:10:22,760
want to do, how we want to do it. I've

1366
01:10:23,079 --> 01:10:26,239
I've heard there could be three new teams in there,

1367
01:10:26,319 --> 01:10:30,000
so so who knows. I feel like I hear that

1368
01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:32,600
every year, so you know, I hope that it does happen.

1369
01:10:33,359 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 2: I just want it to be like twenty five teams

1370
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:40,359
or like twelve teams, so that everybody's strategy and everybody's

1371
01:10:40,399 --> 01:10:41,600
in preparation with numbers.

1372
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:44,359
Speaker 1: I was just throwing out, I don't want to ever

1373
01:10:44,399 --> 01:10:44,880
be twelve.

1374
01:10:45,279 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 2: No, I know, but like I want some variable to

1375
01:10:48,520 --> 01:10:52,159
the normal, like nineteen twenty we have so that everyone's

1376
01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:55,239
strategy and everyone's pricing is just doesn't.

1377
01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 1: Well I'll tell you this, ninety percent of the teams

1378
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,560
don't have a strategy, okay, is like that is number one.

1379
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:04,640
For example, Like Dan Fleischman is going to show up

1380
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,800
and he's gonna draft Phil Hallimuth and Phil Ivy and

1381
01:11:07,880 --> 01:11:10,439
Michael mcsrocky, and he's gonna be done drafting his team

1382
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,479
in twenty seven minutes and then he's probably gonna leave.

1383
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:15,520
Speaker 2: He said he wanted to put two teams in lost.

1384
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yeah, go ahead, do whatever you want,

1385
01:11:17,720 --> 01:11:19,760
Like you want to pay an extra twenty five k,

1386
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:25,720
go nuts. So there's that. I I mean, the best

1387
01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:27,840
thing that you that that could happen in terms of

1388
01:11:28,920 --> 01:11:32,439
messing up people's strategies is if more teams showed up,

1389
01:11:32,439 --> 01:11:37,079
you know, twenty five thirty like, because because then people

1390
01:11:37,119 --> 01:11:40,840
would really need to be digging deep into into their lists.

1391
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,279
And I mean, I don't think people have big enough

1392
01:11:44,319 --> 01:11:48,239
lists as is, so I can only imagine what would

1393
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:51,439
happen if, you know, if you added seven ten twelve

1394
01:11:51,479 --> 01:11:54,319
teams to the mix, you know how that would that

1395
01:11:54,359 --> 01:11:59,479
would fare. I am kind of always surprised that more

1396
01:12:00,319 --> 01:12:04,840
people there's not more growth in the league. I don't know.

1397
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,199
I mean, listen, I understand obviously, twenty five K is

1398
01:12:08,239 --> 01:12:10,479
a massive price point for a fantasy league. I mean,

1399
01:12:11,279 --> 01:12:16,760
you're talking to me, I get into it. But I

1400
01:12:16,760 --> 01:12:19,479
mean you can, like, I think there's enough. I think

1401
01:12:19,479 --> 01:12:22,760
there's enough things like high stakes fantasy football leagues or

1402
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:25,960
whatever within the poker community that like, I would expect

1403
01:12:25,960 --> 01:12:29,880
all those people to also play this. You know, maybe

1404
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:31,560
you pair up with a couple of people and you

1405
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:34,079
each put up five K or whatever it is, and

1406
01:12:34,119 --> 01:12:35,960
you know, you do it that way and you get

1407
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,039
in there, right you send kind of send one person

1408
01:12:38,079 --> 01:12:43,119
a draft or or whatnot. I just I've always thought that,

1409
01:12:43,239 --> 01:12:48,680
like the league should probably gain on average probably one

1410
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:52,880
point five entries per year. Yeah, you know, I just so,

1411
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:54,319
I don't know if it's just that people are just

1412
01:12:54,359 --> 01:12:58,600
gun shy or what the deal is. I would say

1413
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,279
that if you're if you're out there and you're on

1414
01:13:01,319 --> 01:13:04,079
the fence and for whatever reason, you're scared away. I mean,

1415
01:13:05,359 --> 01:13:07,720
I'm not kidding when I believe that eighty percent of

1416
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:11,359
the people in that draft room have basically done zero preparation.

1417
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,359
They like print out the last year's draft form and like,

1418
01:13:15,800 --> 01:13:21,600
you know, show up like that's it. Yeah, so so yeah,

1419
01:13:21,640 --> 01:13:24,399
so I think more people should should try and get

1420
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:26,199
in there, you know, one way or the other. You

1421
01:13:26,199 --> 01:13:29,079
know again, team up with some friends, put it together.

1422
01:13:30,399 --> 01:13:32,520
You know, many people are spending way more than twenty

1423
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:37,119
five k for an entire summer sweat. So so yeah,

1424
01:13:37,159 --> 01:13:39,960
I would I would highly encourage people to hop on

1425
01:13:40,039 --> 01:13:42,960
in there. It's a lot of fun and it's it's

1426
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:47,680
great to track all summer long. So again, Tuesday, May

1427
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:49,840
twenty seventh, that'll be on Poker Girl and the Poker

1428
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:52,399
Go YouTube channel, so you guys can watch it. It'll

1429
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:55,399
be fun. You can see what sort of strategy Mickey

1430
01:13:55,399 --> 01:13:58,279
and I have. Hopefully it comes to fruition. We don't

1431
01:13:58,319 --> 01:14:00,720
have to go to plan B CD E and F

1432
01:14:00,760 --> 01:14:03,720
and all that sort of crazy stuff. So let's go.

1433
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:07,159
Let's freaking go. All right, that's gonna do it for

1434
01:14:07,239 --> 01:14:10,560
us again, a couple more episodes that we're gonna hit,

1435
01:14:10,720 --> 01:14:15,039
hopefully before the dubas actually gets here, and we'll be

1436
01:14:15,119 --> 01:14:18,760
dropping those in the coming days. So it's dobasic be time, man,

1437
01:14:18,800 --> 01:14:21,560
it's here. We're a week away, so get ready. It's

1438
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:23,319
gonna be a fun summer. It's gonna be big, it's

1439
01:14:23,359 --> 01:14:26,000
gonna be great. Can't wait to uh be there be

1440
01:14:26,039 --> 01:14:28,119
bringing you guys all the coverage as we always do

1441
01:14:28,239 --> 01:14:30,840
here from Poker Go. So that's gonna do it for

1442
01:14:30,960 --> 01:14:33,000
us on this episode. My name is Donny Peters, his

1443
01:14:33,119 --> 01:14:36,199
name is Tim Duckworth. We'll talk to you guys next time.

1444
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 2: So yeah,