WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.359 --> 00:00:08.679 This is an Unspoiled Network podcast. This is spoil Me 2 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:17.000 covering Dungeon Crawler Carl Book eight, A Parade of Horribles, 3 00:00:17.800 --> 00:00:26.359 chapters twenty five through thirty. In these chapters, rend dies 4 00:00:27.239 --> 00:00:29.839 I have a tiny panic attack because I forget that 5 00:00:29.879 --> 00:00:32.920 he can come back, and then he does, and then 6 00:00:33.079 --> 00:00:36.200 the AI does like I'm not gonna call it one 7 00:00:36.240 --> 00:00:39.240 of the cruelest things it's ever done, because obviously, but like, 8 00:00:40.479 --> 00:01:05.120 come on, wow, welcome to spoil Me. Welcome to the 9 00:01:05.159 --> 00:01:08.400 show everyone. I am Natasha. Thank you very much to 10 00:01:08.560 --> 00:01:11.959 Michael for commissioning this episode. Michael is here in the 11 00:01:12.079 --> 00:01:17.400 chat with me today, delighted to see user. This section 12 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:21.280 is like you, guys, I keep talking about how this 13 00:01:21.319 --> 00:01:23.840 floor has been giving me this anxiety, and then we 14 00:01:23.920 --> 00:01:28.000 have to add this factor and I'm just resentful as 15 00:01:28.120 --> 00:01:35.480 fuck about it. I don't want to stop reading. Obviously 16 00:01:35.719 --> 00:01:40.120 this is not like that, but I do want to 17 00:01:40.280 --> 00:01:42.879 talk to Matt Dinneman just real quick. I do want 18 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:45.920 to have a conversation and be like, number one, how 19 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:52.599 dare you this? There's like very little of the race 20 00:01:52.840 --> 00:01:56.159 in this section. We just kind of very barely get 21 00:01:56.200 --> 00:02:00.599 started on this newest heat and then we beg into 22 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:06.560 move like the heat begins, we get notified on like 23 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:10.439 a rule change, and then it cuts off. So most 24 00:02:10.479 --> 00:02:14.199 of what we get this time is more like the 25 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:21.879 interpersonal conflict and and the weird interview with the plenty, 26 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:33.439 which is you guys, I'm It's kind of funny how 27 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:36.840 this sort of thing will crop up at the same time, 28 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:40.240 Like I will have a few different projects that I 29 00:02:40.280 --> 00:02:43.360 am reading or covering, you know, different pieces of media, 30 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:48.319 and there will often be some thematic things that kind 31 00:02:48.319 --> 00:02:52.680 of overlap. And something I was just talking about with Rashan, 32 00:02:53.599 --> 00:02:59.360 I was covering season five of Supernatural. We just started, 33 00:02:59.439 --> 00:03:02.120 so we just did episode for the end. I am 34 00:03:02.199 --> 00:03:06.159 Unspoiled for Supernatural. If you are a Supernatural fan and 35 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:08.360 that sounds good to you, you should check out the show. 36 00:03:08.439 --> 00:03:16.120 It's co hosted so Unspoiled Supernatural. I was talking to 37 00:03:16.159 --> 00:03:18.479 her in this most recent episode, which will be going 38 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:23.840 up shortly, about how many properties I read where a 39 00:03:23.919 --> 00:03:30.840 main character or sometimes a side character will not really 40 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:35.159 take into account the fact that they don't have all 41 00:03:35.199 --> 00:03:38.919 of the information they may need before leaping to conclusions 42 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:43.400 about things, or they will not take into account a 43 00:03:43.520 --> 00:03:46.439 different culture and the way that they operate and will 44 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:52.039 refuse to behave according to the rules of said culture 45 00:03:52.199 --> 00:04:00.439 because they personally find it stupid. And it's the kind 46 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:05.120 of thing that I get really irritated by and can 47 00:04:05.199 --> 00:04:12.039 make me dislike a main character utterly, because all cultures 48 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:15.080 are stupid. I just really want to make it clear 49 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:20.279 that's how I feel. There are certain expectations culturally that 50 00:04:20.639 --> 00:04:27.920 everybody has that are very, very specifically fucking weird. And 51 00:04:28.079 --> 00:04:31.560 to try and pretend that your culture is something that's 52 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:38.199 like inherently logical and reasonable and this other one isn't. 53 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:41.399 So you're just going to like cross your arms and 54 00:04:41.680 --> 00:04:49.319 pout about it makes me exceedingly fucking irritated. And it 55 00:04:49.399 --> 00:04:55.199 was really nice that, like, the issue here isn't that 56 00:04:56.079 --> 00:05:01.000 Carl is refusing to, like, you know, no, play by 57 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:05.720 the rules of plenty of plenty. It's more that, like, 58 00:05:06.199 --> 00:05:08.079 if he were given a little bit more of a 59 00:05:08.120 --> 00:05:10.959 heads up as to what the rules actually are, he 60 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:15.920 would probably do better. But he's given minimal information right 61 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:19.480 before going out, So the fact that he doesn't exactly 62 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:22.800 know how to behave or what to expect is not 63 00:05:23.680 --> 00:05:26.720 by any fault of his, And so I can sit 64 00:05:26.839 --> 00:05:29.480 back and watch the weirdness of this scene unfold and 65 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:32.600 be completely content with the way that he's handling it, 66 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:35.720 like he's doing, in my opinion, the best that he 67 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:39.519 can be expected to be doing under the circumstances, Whereas 68 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:41.800 there are so many things that I have read and 69 00:05:41.879 --> 00:05:45.519 watched where I am just like, somebody's like, why should 70 00:05:45.560 --> 00:05:48.240 we do that? And I'm like, does context not tell 71 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:50.319 you why you should do that? It seems really fucking 72 00:05:50.319 --> 00:05:53.319 obvious why they're doing that because of the other seven 73 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:56.279 things about this culture or this ritual that you already know, 74 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:01.959 And I just lack patience with it, because all you 75 00:06:02.040 --> 00:06:04.800 need to do is shut the fuck up and observe 76 00:06:04.879 --> 00:06:08.160 a little and usually your question will be answered, or 77 00:06:08.199 --> 00:06:11.839 if not, you can ask in a respectful way versus just, uh, 78 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:16.120 that's weird, why you know? And this is something that 79 00:06:16.160 --> 00:06:18.959 actually came up in a part of the Wandering in 80 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:22.240 that I'm reading, where there's a character who I wish 81 00:06:22.279 --> 00:06:25.600 we got more of, Frankly, who is given the diplomat 82 00:06:25.680 --> 00:06:28.560 class because he does this exact thing where he sits 83 00:06:28.600 --> 00:06:30.920 back and watches these different races and is able to 84 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:36.120 understand the way that they approach interacting with other races, 85 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:38.920 the hierarchy within their own race, the way that they 86 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:43.160 regard sex, or the way that they behave when it 87 00:06:43.199 --> 00:06:47.600 comes to like food or sharing or housing or marriage 88 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:52.600 or children or anything. And this character does what I 89 00:06:52.720 --> 00:06:57.399 fucking wish everybody in the world would just do. There 90 00:06:57.399 --> 00:07:02.519 are times when a cultural expectation or requirement is harmful. 91 00:07:02.560 --> 00:07:05.800 I'm not trying to pretend it's not, but sometimes that's 92 00:07:05.839 --> 00:07:09.519 none of your fucking business. Sometimes it is. You've just 93 00:07:09.560 --> 00:07:12.160 got to be able to like adapt most of the time, 94 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:14.920 whether or not you think it's stupid or not, who cares. 95 00:07:15.040 --> 00:07:17.360 Just do the thing because you are a guest and 96 00:07:17.439 --> 00:07:21.959 shut up. So Seraphim is in the chat and Michael. 97 00:07:22.079 --> 00:07:24.319 I love Ken too. Yes, I wish that I got 98 00:07:24.319 --> 00:07:26.199 more of him, and it may be that in future 99 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:28.560 books he shows up a lot more. But from where 100 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:31.319 I'm currently at, Sorry, guys, there's just something under my 101 00:07:31.439 --> 00:07:34.399 dead that's what it is. Okay, where I'm currently at, 102 00:07:34.439 --> 00:07:36.839 I only got like a short section with him, and 103 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:39.680 we've been away from him for a while. So anyway, 104 00:07:40.319 --> 00:07:44.040 the caprids like, I'm not pretending that this isn't the 105 00:07:44.040 --> 00:07:48.040 most bizarre fucking thing I understand. I think it's Miriam 106 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:51.120 that says something about how Prepotente went on it and 107 00:07:51.120 --> 00:07:53.800 that she found it kind of disturbing. I think is 108 00:07:53.839 --> 00:07:57.319 the word that she used, which I actually kind of 109 00:07:57.399 --> 00:08:01.399 understand the use of that word because it does you'll, like, 110 00:08:02.240 --> 00:08:05.879 I don't know, there's just something really unsettling about the 111 00:08:05.920 --> 00:08:10.639 way everybody behaves. But if you like just get the 112 00:08:10.680 --> 00:08:14.959 principle of the way they think and what they expect 113 00:08:14.959 --> 00:08:20.000 of you, the rules do seem mostly pretty simple, except 114 00:08:20.120 --> 00:08:24.360 for the exert yourself, which I don't know what that means, 115 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:27.000 and we don't actually find that out in this section, 116 00:08:27.120 --> 00:08:29.279 and the fact that Karl is not told what it 117 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:31.800 means leads me to believe that is something that's like 118 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:34.840 kind of going to be I don't know if it's 119 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:37.879 necessarily going to be a problem that he's not going 120 00:08:37.879 --> 00:08:39.919 to want to do it at all, or if it's 121 00:08:40.120 --> 00:08:44.600 just going to be like embarrassing somehow, you know what 122 00:08:44.679 --> 00:08:49.320 I mean. I don't know, so anyway, I just uh, 123 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:57.440 the way that this whole interview goes is, you know what, 124 00:08:57.440 --> 00:08:59.440 I'm getting ahead of myself, as I always do. Let's 125 00:08:59.440 --> 00:09:04.759 start back in safe room everybody is gathered around playing 126 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:08.720 Mario Kart, which I do really appreciate that blatant nod 127 00:09:08.759 --> 00:09:12.879 within the story. And it turns out that Samantha is, 128 00:09:12.960 --> 00:09:17.440 like we find out later, hopped up on amphetamine. She 129 00:09:17.720 --> 00:09:20.279 is just coked out of her mind playing Mario Kart 130 00:09:20.320 --> 00:09:26.320 and absolutely fucking wrecking everybody. So honestly, a part of 131 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:28.679 me is sort of like, uh, oh, are we going 132 00:09:28.720 --> 00:09:31.000 to make her a driver? I don't know if she's allowed. 133 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:33.279 Does she count as a mercenary. I'm not sure if 134 00:09:33.320 --> 00:09:36.799 she does or not, because there was the assumption we 135 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:39.279 can't let her drive or she will kill us. Like 136 00:09:39.320 --> 00:09:42.360 I think it's donut who says that, and Karl immediately 137 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:47.960 agrees with her, But like, maybe that's exactly the energy 138 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:50.639 you need, is somebody who's willing to do something. Bananas 139 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:54.279 that said, being good at Mario Kart does not necessarily 140 00:09:54.320 --> 00:09:56.039 mean that you're going to be good at actual real 141 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:58.120 life racing, or that you're going to be able to 142 00:09:58.639 --> 00:10:01.360 adapt in the moment to change rules or terrain or 143 00:10:01.480 --> 00:10:05.919 environment or anything. So it may simply be that she's 144 00:10:05.960 --> 00:10:12.240 good at Mario Kart and that is all. And Jeff says, 145 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:15.399 did I miss Samantha getting a body no. She is 146 00:10:15.519 --> 00:10:19.639 playing with her tongue. I think she's holding the controller 147 00:10:19.679 --> 00:10:22.879 in her mouth. She was playing Princess Peach on a 148 00:10:22.879 --> 00:10:24.799 pink motorcycle. She had the controller in her mouth and 149 00:10:24.879 --> 00:10:27.000 was hovering just a foot off the ground, spinning back 150 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:30.120 and forth. She was literally pressing buttons with her tongue. 151 00:10:30.279 --> 00:10:35.639 She made muffled zooming noises as she played. I guess 152 00:10:35.679 --> 00:10:39.960 that she probably couldn't drive because of the pedals, But honestly, 153 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:41.960 the way that the AI has sort of been like 154 00:10:42.639 --> 00:10:45.200 rocking and rolling with certain things, I wouldn't be surprised 155 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:47.879 if something happened to enable her to drive in a 156 00:10:47.919 --> 00:10:55.519 different way. I don't know, so anyway, Sorry, Donut's complaining 157 00:10:55.519 --> 00:10:58.080 that her loot boxes don't have good shit, which I 158 00:10:58.120 --> 00:11:00.440 do think is probably like when you're as powerful as 159 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:03.440 she is, stuff just doesn't seem that great anymore. Karl 160 00:11:03.519 --> 00:11:07.200 has to pee, and he actually can pee out of 161 00:11:07.240 --> 00:11:11.240 the penis that comes with the kangaroo suit, which understandably 162 00:11:11.279 --> 00:11:15.440 freaks him out, and he just doesn't look. He has 163 00:11:15.519 --> 00:11:19.159 hit level five in his Fersna skill, and then as 164 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:23.080 this is continuing, he reaches level eight yiffing is unlocked. 165 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:27.200 I know what yiffing is due to thirty Rock. We 166 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:31.320 won't get into it, but I will say furries are 167 00:11:31.480 --> 00:11:35.720 very easy butt for jokes. I get it. It's weird again. 168 00:11:36.559 --> 00:11:40.679 Everything's weird. Everything is weird there. I'm not trying to 169 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:44.399 say that there aren't levels to weirdness, but like, please everyone, 170 00:11:45.200 --> 00:11:48.879 so I don't feel like we need to dwell on 171 00:11:48.919 --> 00:11:55.679 this is what I'm saying. We then have one of 172 00:11:55.679 --> 00:11:58.120 the slugglers coming up to Amani asking her if she 173 00:11:58.240 --> 00:12:01.120 wants to play, and she says, I played enough against 174 00:12:01.120 --> 00:12:04.159 my brother's back home, and this is when Dona is like, brothers, 175 00:12:04.200 --> 00:12:08.440 how many do you have? Poor Donuh doesn't know that 176 00:12:08.600 --> 00:12:14.399 she's just touched on a really sensitive topic, and poor 177 00:12:16.399 --> 00:12:21.720 Emani is like obviously uncomfortable and wants to change the 178 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:26.480 subject but doesn't seem to know how to do that 179 00:12:26.840 --> 00:12:31.639 well without like being rude, and so she just is like, 180 00:12:31.720 --> 00:12:33.440 you know what, I think I will play and sort 181 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:38.639 of leaves, while Donah is low key mid sentence, and 182 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:42.840 Donah is just like, did I make her mad? Or 183 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.240 I didn't mean to? You know, she doesn't know, and 184 00:12:46.279 --> 00:12:48.960 I really felt for her in that moment, because it's 185 00:12:49.000 --> 00:12:51.600 tough sometimes when you just don't realize that you've hit 186 00:12:51.679 --> 00:12:55.320 on a triggering topic for somebody and it feels like 187 00:12:56.000 --> 00:12:59.080 they're pissed at you, and they can even sort of 188 00:12:59.159 --> 00:13:03.240 feel actually pissed at you, like that's something they will 189 00:13:03.639 --> 00:13:06.159 know themselves that that's not really a rational response on 190 00:13:06.159 --> 00:13:09.000 their part, but that doesn't change the fact that you 191 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:14.440 bringing this up might have made them mad. And I 192 00:13:14.519 --> 00:13:17.799 appreciated Carl being like, sometimes you don't need to know 193 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:21.639 somebody's full life story to understand them, which I really 194 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:29.080 endorse this as a like approach to handling imani as 195 00:13:29.080 --> 00:13:31.840 a character. It may be that we never get the 196 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:35.840 full backstory and I don't really feel like I need it, 197 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:38.200 and I don't feel like we always need it in 198 00:13:38.279 --> 00:13:42.960 general if we're doing a main character. Sure, but I 199 00:13:43.000 --> 00:13:48.440 think that some not even necessarily like writers, but even 200 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:51.600 in TV shows or movies, there will be a temptation 201 00:13:51.720 --> 00:13:55.879 sometimes to just jump into, oh, this is a prequel 202 00:13:55.879 --> 00:13:58.120 to explain what happened to so and so, and it's 203 00:13:58.159 --> 00:14:00.840 like not helpful, actually, and it makes it everything less 204 00:14:00.960 --> 00:14:04.919 interesting or less compelling, and you're just sort of going, 205 00:14:05.000 --> 00:14:11.840 who asked for this? Or wanted this, you know. So anyway, 206 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:17.360 I'm just I really felt both for Donut and Immani 207 00:14:17.440 --> 00:14:19.759 in this moment, because I'm sure that Immani feels a 208 00:14:19.759 --> 00:14:22.440 little bit guilty for the way that she just fucking 209 00:14:22.600 --> 00:14:27.799 like bailed, but she's kind of doing what she feels 210 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:30.320 like she needs to do. And I feel obviously a 211 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:33.039 little sad for Donut because she doesn't know what just happened, 212 00:14:33.639 --> 00:14:37.720 and I'm sure she feels bad for like making Immani 213 00:14:37.799 --> 00:14:42.440 feel bad. It's just it's just whenever you've got something 214 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:45.720 that's like really heavy, it can be hard to move 215 00:14:45.759 --> 00:14:49.120 in the world because that thing comes up a lot. 216 00:14:49.240 --> 00:14:52.240 You know, if you've got a parent that has passed 217 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:55.240 away and it's like about to be Mother's Day and 218 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:58.159 Father's Day and everybody's talking about or you know, like 219 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:00.840 people asking you where you having kids, if you can't 220 00:15:00.840 --> 00:15:03.759 have kids and you want to have them. There's just 221 00:15:04.279 --> 00:15:06.919 some big topics in life that are going to come up, 222 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:11.360 and a lot of folks have trauma surrounding those things 223 00:15:11.840 --> 00:15:17.519 that I think we often just assume hasn't happened because 224 00:15:17.519 --> 00:15:19.919 that happens to other people, not people that we talk to, 225 00:15:20.519 --> 00:15:29.720 which is silly. It's very, very silly. So anyway, Carl 226 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:32.759 gets some. He decides to open his boxes and he 227 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:38.480 gets some you know, achievements for what he did. It's 228 00:15:38.519 --> 00:15:42.120 so horrible. I hate it so much. It's also the 229 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:44.960 Ai glitching out while he's like telling him what his 230 00:15:45.039 --> 00:15:51.600 achievements are. Let's see, I'm trying to find this bit reward. 231 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:55.399 You've received a job application for Big Shot Chicken location 232 00:15:55.559 --> 00:15:59.320 in Tucson, Arizona, which is so rude. And also am 233 00:15:59.320 --> 00:16:06.159 I alone you guys, because I literally cannot hear it 234 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:11.919 without immediately going to son Rosunya. If you don't watch 235 00:16:11.960 --> 00:16:13.720 what we do in the Shadows, you won't get that joke. 236 00:16:14.000 --> 00:16:17.320 But if you do, you know precisely, and I bet 237 00:16:17.639 --> 00:16:21.639 you will also have this tick in your head just 238 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:29.440 a regular human botend. So at this point, Mango comes 239 00:16:29.480 --> 00:16:35.480 in with Rend and there had like they were supposed 240 00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:40.159 to be being watched by Jamal apparently, but they are 241 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:43.639 no match for these two because they are Hellians. And 242 00:16:43.720 --> 00:16:48.799 as they come in, Mordecai comes in. I forgot. I 243 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:52.720 forgot the fact that like Rend makes his own way 244 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:57.799 in is what's really worrying, because this isn't like Carl 245 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:03.399 forgot and let Rend out or Mordecai forgot, you know 246 00:17:03.440 --> 00:17:06.559 what I mean. Rend has just got a little bit 247 00:17:06.559 --> 00:17:13.519 more autonomy than is ideal for the risks posed to him. 248 00:17:14.440 --> 00:17:19.559 And yeah, this is when Mordechai does the Reaper gaze 249 00:17:19.599 --> 00:17:21.680 on him and says, and now you perish once again. 250 00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:24.400 The next time will herald the beginning of the end, 251 00:17:24.519 --> 00:17:33.480 which noted, and Rend dies and like I said, tiny 252 00:17:33.519 --> 00:17:35.640 heart attack, and then he just rises up from the 253 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:38.000 dead again. And I was like, oh, right, right right, 254 00:17:38.680 --> 00:17:41.839 I love that donuts. Immediate response is your pet dying 255 00:17:41.960 --> 00:17:48.319 has upset Mango. Of course she won, as this was 256 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:52.119 the sixth death. Your pet will retain his memories and identity. 257 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:55.599 Your pet is twenty five percent stronger than before. Your 258 00:17:55.640 --> 00:17:59.279 pet has gained a new random weakness. Your pet's weaknesses 259 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:06.920 sylvan crystal consuming hobgoblin sweat, the bite of a riven wing, 260 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:15.880 consuming undead flesh, Reaper gaze new potatoes. Yeah, that's some bullshit. 261 00:18:17.440 --> 00:18:22.079 That's some bullshit. I'm not even come on now, come 262 00:18:22.079 --> 00:18:29.319 on now, Like, so now he just basically can't come 263 00:18:29.359 --> 00:18:33.039 out of his carrier until we're in the middle of 264 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:36.039 the fight, and that fight has to really be specific 265 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:42.799 because we have undead mercenaries now that are drivers. So 266 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:49.039 if Wren gets a little bit what's the word I want, 267 00:18:50.160 --> 00:18:55.359 If there is confusion and he bites one of our guys, 268 00:18:54.920 --> 00:18:56.839 that's that's a wrap for him. And I don't know 269 00:18:56.880 --> 00:19:00.720 how likely it is, but Reren doesn't seem exactly discriminating 270 00:19:01.039 --> 00:19:08.480 in who he bites. I mean, yeah, I just don't 271 00:19:08.519 --> 00:19:12.200 like it. This makes me very sad, and I just 272 00:19:13.720 --> 00:19:23.400 I'm just glad Rend isn't cuter. He's eh, you know, 273 00:19:23.720 --> 00:19:27.440 like so at the very least I can say, like 274 00:19:28.200 --> 00:19:30.720 that's going to soften it a little bit for me, 275 00:19:30.759 --> 00:19:32.799 and anybody who says that the cuteness of the creature 276 00:19:32.839 --> 00:19:36.279 doesn't like affect their feelings about you're a liar. I 277 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:41.640 don't believe you. But anyway, so donut. He has to 278 00:19:41.680 --> 00:19:43.839 like explain to her what the fuck is going on here? 279 00:19:43.880 --> 00:19:46.039 And this is when Amani says, well, you could put 280 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:50.400 him in the guild pet stables. Gonk the yak is 281 00:19:50.440 --> 00:19:53.839 in there, Simum the Rhino too. When we started preparing 282 00:19:53.839 --> 00:19:55.720 for Kachia to leave, we didn't have much time and 283 00:19:55.759 --> 00:19:57.759 we had to move everything around with the guild system 284 00:19:57.799 --> 00:20:00.000 on the fly, Simoom kind of got lost in the shuffle, 285 00:20:00.160 --> 00:20:08.119 so she's in the stables. Simum loves Gonk very curious 286 00:20:08.160 --> 00:20:10.440 what the significance of this is, because I feel that 287 00:20:10.480 --> 00:20:13.960 Simum still being here means something like not necessarily like 288 00:20:14.519 --> 00:20:18.039 means something but more like this is going to turn 289 00:20:18.079 --> 00:20:20.960 out to be handy and they will make use of 290 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:28.359 Simum somehow. Rosetta comes in at this point with Tippett 291 00:20:28.400 --> 00:20:31.039 and tells them via chat, I think we found a 292 00:20:31.079 --> 00:20:37.119 flesh mancer, and Tippett says the performance guilled. I think 293 00:20:37.160 --> 00:20:38.960 I know how to find it, but you're not gonna 294 00:20:39.039 --> 00:20:42.119 like what's required to get in. I'm pretty sure it's 295 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:45.680 hidden in the bar you've already visited. We don't get 296 00:20:45.680 --> 00:20:53.000 more on this now, what's MM And then the mercenaries 297 00:20:53.000 --> 00:20:59.079 that she brings in are two Jeeki Ninki Gules level 298 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:03.759 twenty five if not not a great like that's really low. 299 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:07.160 But hopefully they're not going to be that necessary for fighting. 300 00:21:07.200 --> 00:21:12.119 It's just going to be driving again undead, don't love it, 301 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:17.839 And then we go into chapter twenty seven. A few 302 00:21:17.839 --> 00:21:20.359 hours later, don't and I re yanked away to go 303 00:21:20.359 --> 00:21:24.640 on our live appearance of the show plenty of plenty, Now, guys, 304 00:21:24.720 --> 00:21:28.799 I can't emphasize enough how frequently in these chapters I 305 00:21:28.880 --> 00:21:33.079 forgot that Carl was in the kangaroo suit. We get 306 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:37.640 periodic reminders and context, and it's not like it's not 307 00:21:37.839 --> 00:21:40.200 Matt's fault, That's all I'm saying that I forgot. I 308 00:21:40.400 --> 00:21:45.160 just keep forgetting. So he turns up and Lexis, who 309 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:49.240 is the one kind of running point for them as guests, 310 00:21:50.039 --> 00:21:53.839 is obviously trying not to laugh at him. And then 311 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:56.440 there comes a point later where like Carl is trying 312 00:21:56.440 --> 00:21:59.160 to run away from the Harbinger and he like falls 313 00:21:59.200 --> 00:22:02.319 because he forgets in the suit as well and can't 314 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:05.559 move as he normally would. And I just keep being like, 315 00:22:05.680 --> 00:22:11.599 my god, this thing is so inconvenient and frustrating. So 316 00:22:11.720 --> 00:22:16.240 let's see, I'm on loan to Born since I'm stuck 317 00:22:16.279 --> 00:22:18.880 in system and after hours is on hiatus. It was 318 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:20.759 either this or sit and twitter my thumbs on the 319 00:22:20.799 --> 00:22:24.160 press barge and with your garbage freighter having taken over 320 00:22:24.200 --> 00:22:26.920 everything in orbit, I say I made the right choice. 321 00:22:27.559 --> 00:22:32.880 And Carl's like what and mentions Zev is kind of 322 00:22:32.880 --> 00:22:35.640 the one that's having to handle everything now because the 323 00:22:35.680 --> 00:22:38.839 AI has gone bonkers and Cascadia is just not up 324 00:22:38.880 --> 00:22:43.640 for it. The insurgents aren't letting anyone they don't trust 325 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:46.160 down here unless the AI demands it, and those that 326 00:22:46.200 --> 00:22:48.880 are down here are barely functioning, so it's all hands 327 00:22:48.880 --> 00:22:54.440 on deck. And at this point Carl is just like, 328 00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:57.319 what the fuck are you talking about? And she's able 329 00:22:57.359 --> 00:23:00.000 initially to just talk openly, and then a little bit 330 00:23:00.079 --> 00:23:03.160 later is like, all right, let me just close up 331 00:23:03.200 --> 00:23:06.640 some of the because you know, there's some things that 332 00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:08.640 she shouldn't be talking about. So the first thing that 333 00:23:08.640 --> 00:23:11.079 she gets into that she can say aloud, the Open 334 00:23:11.119 --> 00:23:16.519 Intellect Action Network used to be Pacifist network, and trusting 335 00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:24.440 those people you in faction wars with are those insurgents, 336 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:27.400 is what she says. They sent a boarding crew pretty 337 00:23:27.480 --> 00:23:30.279 much to every major ship in orbit and took all 338 00:23:30.319 --> 00:23:34.000 of them, and it happened very fast. That Homecoming Queen 339 00:23:34.160 --> 00:23:38.160 is decked out in enhancement zone weaponry that actually works 340 00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:43.039 now that the AI has escaped containment, which that's wild. 341 00:23:43.559 --> 00:23:49.119 I whoa, I've come such a fast. It's the equivalent 342 00:23:49.160 --> 00:23:53.359 of a fully armored ogre fighting against blind toddlers. They 343 00:23:53.400 --> 00:23:58.839 achieved total system domination in a day. I'm kind of 344 00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:01.680 wondering if we're going to be facing an animal farm 345 00:24:01.720 --> 00:24:07.799 situation where it turns out the open intellect network is 346 00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.960 as bad or worse as the people we left behind 347 00:24:11.079 --> 00:24:14.160 kind of thing. If so, I'm not going to be 348 00:24:14.200 --> 00:24:16.880 mad at that, but it is sort of a tired trope. 349 00:24:17.039 --> 00:24:23.839 So we'll see. And Donna ask, can you tell us 350 00:24:23.880 --> 00:24:26.200 what is happening on the surface and whether katsis okay? 351 00:24:26.240 --> 00:24:30.119 And this is when she's like pressing a couple buttons. Okay, 352 00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:32.240 we have a minute. Borne doesn't have manpower to watch 353 00:24:32.279 --> 00:24:35.319 the feeds anyway. Everything is in shambles, but the AI 354 00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:40.039 is likely still watching. Prime Minister Victory and the staff 355 00:24:40.039 --> 00:24:42.640 of the new temporary headquarters for the Syndicate's presence in 356 00:24:42.680 --> 00:24:45.319 the system are on the eastern seaboard of your North America. 357 00:24:45.359 --> 00:24:47.359 In theory they can be watching too, but I doubt it. 358 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:50.240 Most of the flooding from the Tsunamis has receded, and 359 00:24:50.279 --> 00:24:52.519 they moved into an area that they thought had minimal 360 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:55.200 surviving native life, but the moment they set down, they 361 00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:59.480 had natives up their ass. I love how she's just 362 00:24:59.519 --> 00:25:06.640 like so the tsunamis, like what and then natives being Floridians, Yeah, 363 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:09.799 that's gonna be a problem. Floridians don't fuck around good luck, 364 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:13.359 So they're dealing with that somewhere in the state of Florida. 365 00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:15.880 As for Kaya and everyone else in South Asia, we 366 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:18.240 don't have a lot of information that is considered, oh 367 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:21.960 I an territory. But last I heard, they have not 368 00:25:22.039 --> 00:25:24.720 taken back the Kinder facility, but they have been in 369 00:25:24.759 --> 00:25:27.759 contact with Katya herself. As far as I'm aware, something 370 00:25:27.880 --> 00:25:31.680 strange happened there soon after the end of Faction Wars. 371 00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:35.519 I couldn't read. The look on Lexis face is that fear. 372 00:25:36.000 --> 00:25:40.240 I wasn't sure. A third party has appeared and is 373 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:45.359 protecting the facility, but that entity is confused. That's all 374 00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:51.640 I know. But is Katya okay, Doughnut demanded. I believe so, yes. 375 00:25:51.880 --> 00:25:55.759 Just yesterday I saw her pad beeped and all the 376 00:25:55.880 --> 00:26:02.720 color drained from Lexus's face. She stiffened. No, I realized 377 00:26:03.279 --> 00:26:09.880 that wasn't fear. Just before this is fear. And later 378 00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:12.559 he catches a glimpse and it clearly is the AI 379 00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:15.880 showing her a picture of her kids and basically being like, 380 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:17.559 I have a gun to their head unless you shut 381 00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:24.839 the fuck up. Whew, it's heavy stuff. I just want 382 00:26:24.880 --> 00:26:27.839 the AI to evolve to the point that it develops empathy, 383 00:26:27.880 --> 00:26:34.880 and I'm not sure if that's possible, Like, you know, anyway, 384 00:26:35.079 --> 00:26:40.359 she gets back on topic with the Caprids and is like, 385 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:42.920 I know that you've dealt with Harbinger, but he's sort 386 00:26:42.920 --> 00:26:46.440 of an outlier and they're not going to be ash 387 00:26:47.279 --> 00:26:52.920 what's the word hostile as he was with you. You'll 388 00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:56.160 be sitting in the center while you're judged. They call 389 00:26:56.200 --> 00:26:59.279 it an interlocution, but it's basically just a round table 390 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.680 and you're in the middle. In the end, it's like 391 00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:05.839 a regular interview, but a little peculiar. The cap birds 392 00:27:05.880 --> 00:27:09.200 are strange, but it's generally good natured. A few crawlers 393 00:27:09.200 --> 00:27:11.319 have been on the show and have had a decent time. 394 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:14.160 You just need to get used to their eccentric affect. 395 00:27:14.839 --> 00:27:20.799 Eccentric affect is hilarious. Look affect, I'm not really sure, 396 00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:24.559 Like I'm I haven't looked up the exact definition of 397 00:27:24.599 --> 00:27:26.839 this word, but I always think when you use that 398 00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:30.839 word that what you're saying is that somebody's behavior isn't natural, 399 00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:34.559 and that they are putting it on for whatever reason. 400 00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:38.640 And I don't think that's necessarily what she actually means here, 401 00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:43.559