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<v Speaker 1>Happy New Year from all of us here at Studio

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<v Speaker 1>A Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the

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<v Speaker 1>first Gardening Simplified Show of twenty twenty five with Stacy

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<v Speaker 1>Hervella me, Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson.

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<v Speaker 1>So little time, so much to do, Let's get right

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<v Speaker 1>to it. This week's show, we'll highlight the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five National Plants of the Year as it relates to

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<v Speaker 1>Flowering Shrubs. Next week will cover the National Perennial Plants

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<v Speaker 1>of the Year, and the following week the National Flowering

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<v Speaker 1>Annual Plants of the Year. This week, Flowering Shrubs with

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<v Speaker 1>a very special guest in segment four joining us, Tim Wood,

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<v Speaker 1>a horticulturist and strategic thinker who helps plant breeders and

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<v Speaker 1>growers and landscape designers and retailers and consumers discover the

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<v Speaker 1>value of new and better problems solving woody plants just

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<v Speaker 1>like you do, Stacy. Yes, every day here at Proven

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<v Speaker 1>Winners Colored Choice Shrubs, And of course it's Tim. We

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<v Speaker 1>used his phrase many times last year on the show.

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<v Speaker 1>He would say that we live in the golden age

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<v Speaker 1>of plant breeding. That will be fun coming up in

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<v Speaker 1>segment four, but let's hear in segment one. Kick it

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<v Speaker 1>right off the envelope, please, And boy, we got to

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<v Speaker 1>start with the flowering shrub of the year. And I'm

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<v Speaker 1>excited about this one. I have this plant in my landscape,

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<v Speaker 1>and Stacy, if I'm correct, it's the Centaura double blue lilac.

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<v Speaker 2>That is correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, what a gorgeous plant. And as they say here

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<v Speaker 1>at Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs, tie your shoes tight

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<v Speaker 1>because the fragrance of this lilac will knock your socks off, right,

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<v Speaker 1>it will.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, of course people expect lilacs to be fragrance,

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<v Speaker 2>even though they aren't all fragrant, aren't all equally fragrant.

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<v Speaker 2>But Cintaur double blue is a syringa hyacintha flora which

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<v Speaker 2>is a mouthful. But you might guess by the inclusion

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<v Speaker 2>of hyacinth in there that this is an exceptionally fragrant

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<v Speaker 2>lilac and an exceptionally beautiful one too. It's just the flowers.

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<v Speaker 2>You have to see them to believe them. They're double flowers,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's called Sintara double blue.

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<v Speaker 1>And then when you add to the mix the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that they aggressively bloom and are I'm gonna say, somewhat

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<v Speaker 1>disease resistant mine in my landscape. I was surprised I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't deal with powdery mildew whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they definitely are much more powdery meldy resistant than

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<v Speaker 2>your standard syringa vulgaris or common lilac.

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<v Speaker 1>And then of course, you know you mentioned the vulgaris.

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<v Speaker 1>The shape also so much better than I believe than

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<v Speaker 1>a typical vulgaris Liway.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's a great plant, and it is very hardy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's hard to down to USDA Zone two, so much

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<v Speaker 2>hardier then we're gonna need anywhere in Michigan. And it

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<v Speaker 2>also needs fewer chilling hours than other lilacs, so you

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<v Speaker 2>can grow it into warmer climates, even into Usdas on eight.

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<v Speaker 1>Flowering Shrub of the Year Centaura double blue lilac, we

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<v Speaker 1>moved to rose of the Year the envelope please reminiscent

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<v Speaker 1>coral rosa. Did I get that?

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<v Speaker 2>You did get it right, Thank you, And.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad I did because I love reminiscent roses. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you're a person like many who is into cut

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<v Speaker 1>flower gardening, Stacy, I believe this is one you got

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<v Speaker 1>to have in your landscape.

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<v Speaker 2>It is it's called reminiscent because it is reminiscent of

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<v Speaker 2>the days when roses used to be big and fragrant

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<v Speaker 2>and full of petals. And what happened really is that

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<v Speaker 2>was that was the norm for many, many years, and

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<v Speaker 2>then disease resistant landscape roses came out and that was great,

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<v Speaker 2>but it kind of like made everybody rethink roses and

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<v Speaker 2>they said, oh, I don't want those old fashioned types

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<v Speaker 2>you know that maybe get disease or require dead heading

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<v Speaker 2>or you know, are high maidenance spot. Yeah, and so

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<v Speaker 2>what has had up and now since that trend started,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, a good thirty years ago or so, is

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<v Speaker 2>that now plant breeders are able to take all of

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<v Speaker 2>that disease resistance and bring back the fragrance, bring back

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<v Speaker 2>that high pedal count, bring back that great color, but

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<v Speaker 2>in a disease resistant package. And that's what's so great

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<v Speaker 2>about reminiscent roses. And you're right, Rick, they are a

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<v Speaker 2>fantastic cut flower because they're kind of like a cabbage rose,

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<v Speaker 2>and old fashioned cabbage rose with just tons and tons

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<v Speaker 2>of petals, glorious fragrance, and super easy to grow.

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<v Speaker 1>I can tell you from experience in my landscape. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>amazed at how well this plant grows. And when I

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<v Speaker 1>look at it in my landscape, I'm thinking, well, of course,

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<v Speaker 1>because it was developed in Serbia. Yes, Serbia sounds cold

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<v Speaker 1>to me. Maybe it's not. I don't know, but they're

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<v Speaker 1>sure doing a great job with roses.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they are a really interesting breeding program. It's actually

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<v Speaker 2>an all women breeding program in Serbia. And what their

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<v Speaker 2>whole goal has been to bring back all of this

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<v Speaker 2>classic rose feature. So they are developing roses for fragrance

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<v Speaker 2>from the high pedal count and also edible roses like

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<v Speaker 2>the Flavorette series. Those also come from Fenogeno in Serbia.

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<v Speaker 2>So they're really doing interesting things just for the love

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<v Speaker 2>of roses, so that we can rediscover everything that we lost.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I was just trying to exhibit a sense

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<v Speaker 1>of humous here, so to speak. It is Serbia, not Siberia.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, yes, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>All right. Hydrangea of the Year. I'm so excited about this.

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<v Speaker 1>We did a summer walk through this past year, a

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<v Speaker 1>late summer walkthrough, and this plant was putting on a show,

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<v Speaker 1>little lime punch. Hydrangea paniculata Wow, this thing. I think

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<v Speaker 1>the great thing about it is this thing puts on

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<v Speaker 1>a show because it's not just one color. It's step

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<v Speaker 1>back and watch it change as the season go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it has a lot of color at once, and

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<v Speaker 2>that is the main thing I think that people notice

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<v Speaker 2>when when they first look at pictures of Little Lime Punch,

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<v Speaker 2>And of course we'll have pictures and the YouTube version

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<v Speaker 2>of the show as well as in the show. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>it's at Gardening simplified on air dot com. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>got more than just that color. So it is a

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<v Speaker 2>dwarf plant, so reaching in the three to five foot range,

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<v Speaker 2>which is so great for panicle hydranges because most of them,

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<v Speaker 2>the old fashion ones get huge, you know, six plus feet,

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<v Speaker 2>so not everyone has space for them. Whereas this one's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be in the three to five foot range,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a lot easier to incorporate. And then the

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<v Speaker 2>breeding on panicle hydranges, especially here at proofn Winner's Color

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<v Speaker 2>Choice shrubs have developed really strong stems. So this is

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<v Speaker 2>a plant that you cannot knock down. And it's kind

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<v Speaker 2>of one of those things. And I think we did

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<v Speaker 2>this when we were on our walkthrough. He kind of

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<v Speaker 2>want to bat it around like a little kitten or something,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's so strong and sturdy, and it just bounces

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<v Speaker 2>right back. It's really amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's an amazing plant. So hydrange of the year little

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<v Speaker 1>lime punch hydrange of piniculata. And I think last year

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<v Speaker 1>I heard you use this phrase, Stacey, in that it's

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<v Speaker 1>almost like Hawaiian punch. Yes, so when you talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the sturdiness of the stems, I think back to being

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<v Speaker 1>a little kid and watching cartoons and they had this

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<v Speaker 1>drink called Hawaiian Punch. Yeah, and the commercial was something

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<v Speaker 1>along the lines of, how would you like a nice

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<v Speaker 1>Hawaiian punch and blammel or something like that. I somehow

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<v Speaker 1>I recall that and I think of that every time

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<v Speaker 1>I see this plant. What a fantastic show of color.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, Tim was the one who came up with the

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<v Speaker 2>punch name, and it is if you do remember Hawaiian punch,

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<v Speaker 2>that's the when the flowers fully mature to their reddest

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<v Speaker 2>It is kind of similar to the old Hawaiian Punch color.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if Hawaiian Punch is still that same color.

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<v Speaker 2>They may have done something with the with the colors

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<v Speaker 2>in it, but yeah, and the flowers. So do you

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<v Speaker 2>remember too when we saw this plant in the garden.

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<v Speaker 2>The flower clusters are so dense that you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like it's hey, if we're talking about old commercials, it's

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<v Speaker 2>like squeeze the Sharman and you have to kind of

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<v Speaker 2>have to squeeze it and see because it's so oh

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<v Speaker 2>dense full of florettes. It's really an extraordinary plant, not

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<v Speaker 2>like any other panicle hydrange on the market.

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<v Speaker 1>Great description, and we'll have to ask Tim Wood about

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<v Speaker 1>that in segment for today, Stacy the envelope, Please, Landscape

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<v Speaker 1>shrub of the Year. I love this north pole thuya arborviti.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a tight columnar habit on this evergreen. And part

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<v Speaker 1>of the reason that I love north pole is that

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's a perfect plant to create exclamation points

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<v Speaker 1>in your landscape.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we talked about that last year when we were

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<v Speaker 2>doing one of our design shows. So it is a

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<v Speaker 2>great plant for doing just that. It's very narrow at

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<v Speaker 2>the base. So the great thing with an arborviding like

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<v Speaker 2>this is it doesn't take up a lot of real

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<v Speaker 2>estate if you have a small yard, whereas more conventional

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<v Speaker 2>arborvid's are going to be taking up like ten feet

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<v Speaker 2>or more of yard space. This one takes up just

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<v Speaker 2>a fraction of the space. It's great on its own,

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<v Speaker 2>it's great in small groups or clusters, and it's great

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<v Speaker 2>as a space saving hedge too. So it's super versatile.

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<v Speaker 2>And of course arbovide are easy to grow, they're durable.

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<v Speaker 2>The only thing they can, of course tolerate is deer

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<v Speaker 2>because if you've ever smelled the delicious fragrance of an

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<v Speaker 2>arborvity and you wanted to eat it, well, then you

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<v Speaker 2>can imagine how the deer feel when they get a

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<v Speaker 2>whiff of this ubiquitous shrub. Weather it's northpole or another arborvidy,

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<v Speaker 2>they do love it. But otherwise it's a great native

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<v Speaker 2>evergreen that you'll find growing all over the eastern half

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<v Speaker 2>of North America. Very hardy, pretty heat tallerant, more heat

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<v Speaker 2>tolerant than most people expect, because certain varieties can actually

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<v Speaker 2>grow all the way down into USDA Zone eight.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you have it. The twenty twenty five National

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<v Speaker 1>Plants of the Year as it relates to woody plants

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<v Speaker 1>or flowering shrubs. But boy, in addition to the Plants

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<v Speaker 1>of the Year, you're going to be hearing from us

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<v Speaker 1>about other exciting developments. Not this year National Plants of

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<v Speaker 1>the Year, but so many developments coming along. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I've talked about how I'm excited about Illuminati Spice and

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<v Speaker 1>mock Orange, the Flavorette roses. I'm getting my salad plate

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<v Speaker 1>ready and I'm really fascinated Stacy by both Kodiak red

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<v Speaker 1>a two point old dr villa and fun Yella. This

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<v Speaker 1>clematis called Golden Dream.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, isn't it beautiful?

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<v Speaker 1>That looks interest.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that is a spring flowering clematis. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 2>does continue to bloom, you know, through the summer. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's a yellow clematis high pedal count, so it almost

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<v Speaker 2>looks like little kind of jellyfish or octopus. And it

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<v Speaker 2>is a beautiful planet. It's fragrant. I absolutely love this clematis.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not one that you normally see so.

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<v Speaker 1>Much to look forward to, including for a guy like me.

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<v Speaker 1>I love hibiscus and Hollywood tropical hibiscus. We'll be talking

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<v Speaker 1>about that also in the coming year for sure. Plants

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<v Speaker 1>on Trial coming up next. I have an idea of

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<v Speaker 1>how Stacy's going to tie into this, but stay tuned.

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<v Speaker 1>Will continue to talk about twenty twenty five National Plants

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<v Speaker 1>of the Year and upcoming exciting plants that you can

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy in your landscape.

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<v Speaker 2>Proven Winter's Color Choice Shrubs cares about your success in

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<v Speaker 2>the garden. That's why we trial and test all of

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<v Speaker 2>our shrubs for eight to ten years, making sure they

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<v Speaker 2>the distinctive white container at your local garden center. Greeting's

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<v Speaker 2>gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the first Gardening Simplified Show of twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>We are ready, we are rare and to go. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I don't know if it's just me, but

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<v Speaker 2>I wish that winter was like Thanksgiving to New Year's

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<v Speaker 2>and then it was spring. Oh, wouldn't that be a dream?

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<v Speaker 1>Same here. I've always felt that way.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, you get over the holidays and all the excitement,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you're left with January and February. And how

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<v Speaker 2>is it that February is the shortest month of the

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<v Speaker 2>year and seems the longest.

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<v Speaker 1>It feels that way to me. Don't get me started

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<v Speaker 1>on that whole feel you.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my, So it's a little bit of a long

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<v Speaker 2>drag here until we get to the gardening season. But

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<v Speaker 2>we know we'll keep you entertained, we'll keep you inspired,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll keep you dreaming about what is just around the corner.

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<v Speaker 2>And ultimately, I do feel like it always goes fast.

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<v Speaker 2>But these next two months for a gardener, I think especially,

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<v Speaker 2>can be a little bit disheartening.

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<v Speaker 1>Well let's make it fun and let's do some dreaming.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well, you know that's I'm dreaming even the summer

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<v Speaker 2>about how things can be different. So but anyway, so

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<v Speaker 2>of course, new year, new plants. We've got every year,

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<v Speaker 2>we've got new plants in the Proven Winter's Color Choice line,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it's always very exciting that they come

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<v Speaker 2>out and they're new options. But the plant that I

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<v Speaker 2>am going to cover is today's plant on trial is

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<v Speaker 2>the one that I am easily the most excited about

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<v Speaker 2>of the class of twenty twenty five for Proven Winner's

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<v Speaker 2>Color Choice Shrubs. And you know what, it's not even

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<v Speaker 2>an actually new plant. It's only new to Proven Winners

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<v Speaker 2>Colored Choice Shrubs. And that is a very unusual situation

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<v Speaker 2>because we don't normally do that. We're normally bringing in

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<v Speaker 2>plants that are from another country that have just come

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<v Speaker 2>to the US, or that we have developed, or one

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<v Speaker 2>of our partners has developed and is only coming onto

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<v Speaker 2>the market for the first time. So this plant is

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<v Speaker 2>a huge exception. It is Kinsley's ghost honeysuckle.

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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, yes, interesting plant. And when I was scrolling through

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<v Speaker 1>and looking at plants and this one popped up for me,

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<v Speaker 1>first thing that popped in my mind was what a eucalyptus.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks like a eucalyptus. So I'll get into

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<v Speaker 2>what makes us such an amazing plant. I have one

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<v Speaker 2>in my yard. I love this plant. It is a

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<v Speaker 2>native honeysuckle, so it's a North American native species. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's just clear the air right there. It is not invasive.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to worry about this thing spreading around.

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<v Speaker 2>It's mostly only shrubby honeysuckles that are invasive anyway, and

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<v Speaker 2>this is a vining honeysuckle. But anyway, what's really unique

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<v Speaker 2>about this plant is it's one of those plants that

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<v Speaker 2>if people saw it at say a public garden or

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<v Speaker 2>you know, something like that in a landscape, they were like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, I have to have that, And then

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<v Speaker 2>they would get all hyped up for it, and they'd

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<v Speaker 2>go to the garden center and they wouldn't find any

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<v Speaker 2>This plant was something that people always wanted but was

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<v Speaker 2>in very very short supply for many many years, and

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<v Speaker 2>only a lucky few actually had it in their garden.

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<v Speaker 2>So basically we were, you know, trialing it. We were

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<v Speaker 2>using it in our own evaluations as something to test against.

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<v Speaker 2>And we realize that this plant has everything that we

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<v Speaker 2>look for in a proven winner's color choice shrubs. It's

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<v Speaker 2>extremely beautiful and unique looking, very very low maintenance, disease resistant,

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<v Speaker 2>pest resistant, tolerant of all sorts of different challenges, whether

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<v Speaker 2>that's drought or our sun or deer, and so it

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<v Speaker 2>kind of ticked all of our boxes. And what we

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<v Speaker 2>did is we went to Plants Select, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>program out of Colorado that kind of highlights plants that

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<v Speaker 2>are suitable to Colorado's extremely challenging growing conditions. And so

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<v Speaker 2>for many years, Kinsley's Ghost Honeysuckle was really only available

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<v Speaker 2>through Plants Select, and they just couldn't get enough plants

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<v Speaker 2>out there on the market. So we realized that there

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<v Speaker 2>was huge demand for this plant, that it was a

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<v Speaker 2>great plant, that it was a good native vine and

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<v Speaker 2>that we could contribute our opportunity to get to scale

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<v Speaker 2>to bring this plant to a wider audience. And so

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<v Speaker 2>we worked with them, came to an agreement, and now

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<v Speaker 2>we're super excited that Kinsley's Ghost honeysuckle is one of

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<v Speaker 2>the proven winner's colored choice shrubs and that means it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a lot easier for you to find. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>you might be wondering, why would I care. Honeysuckles are everywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>but this is a honeysuckle like you have never seen before,

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<v Speaker 2>So you kind of have to see it to believe it.

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<v Speaker 2>And Adriana and I can tell you that when people

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<v Speaker 2>have visited our trial guard and seen it, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>it's like they're falling all over themselves to place in

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<v Speaker 2>order for it. But it's beautiful you'll see in the pictures,

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<v Speaker 2>but really seeing this thing in person, it just takes

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<v Speaker 2>your breath away. So it is a blue foliage plant,

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<v Speaker 2>and that alone is pretty unusual blue foliage.

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<v Speaker 1>It almost looks metallic.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yeah, it has that kind of like beautiful powdery

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<v Speaker 2>coated blue color. So it's like a nice kind of

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<v Speaker 2>aqua kind of color. And that's so as soon as

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<v Speaker 2>it comes out in spring, you're gonna get that beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>blue foliage. But what where it really kind of kicks

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<v Speaker 2>into high gear is a little bit later into spring,

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<v Speaker 2>going into summer, when it starts to get ready to flower.

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<v Speaker 2>And then what happens is this blue foliage at the

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<v Speaker 2>tips of the branch forms a saucer shaped disc that

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<v Speaker 2>goes all the way around the stem. And that's what

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<v Speaker 2>makes it look like eucalyptus.

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<v Speaker 3>Ah.

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<v Speaker 2>That's so if you've ever bought, like dried eucalyptus, or

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<v Speaker 2>you've been to a place where eucalyptus grows or grown

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<v Speaker 2>it as an annual, which you can do sometimes, you

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<v Speaker 2>see how the eucalyptus foliage basically goes all the way

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<v Speaker 2>around the stem of the and that's what Kinsley's Ghost

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<v Speaker 2>does as well. And then out of that saucer bursts

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<v Speaker 2>these clusters of yellow flowers. Now they are lightly fragrant.

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<v Speaker 2>This is not really going to be one of those

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<v Speaker 2>honeysuckles that fills the June air and sends you off

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<v Speaker 2>into dreamy fits, but it's worth it because it's just

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<v Speaker 2>so unusual, and the flowers are still beautiful because they

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<v Speaker 2>have great contrast with that blue foliage. Now, as the

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<v Speaker 2>season progresses, those flowers fade, they leave behind a brilliant

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<v Speaker 2>red berry, which is really really pretty. But what's more

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<v Speaker 2>is that, especially if the plant is in a really

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<v Speaker 2>sunny spot and in dry conditions, that bract turns a

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<v Speaker 2>ghostly white. So you have all this blue foliage, you've

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<v Speaker 2>got this white bract at the tip, and a red

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<v Speaker 2>and red berries in the center of that. It is

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<v Speaker 2>truly an extraordinary unique plant.

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<v Speaker 1>So if you're listening to the podcast or radio and

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<v Speaker 1>you're wondering what are we talking about keeping score at home,

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy's talking about Kinsley's Is that correct?

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<v Speaker 2>That is correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Kinsley's Ghost And it's a honeysuckle vine. The botanical name

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<v Speaker 1>Laniscera reticulata.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, right, gray honeysuckle is I don't really know exactly why.

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<v Speaker 2>The berries don't look any different than any other honeysuckle,

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<v Speaker 2>or they don't really look like grapes, but they call

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<v Speaker 2>it a gray honeysuckle. Now, another thing I want you

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<v Speaker 2>to know. I do want to get to the point

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<v Speaker 2>about who Kinsley was, because obviously there's a Kinsley in

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<v Speaker 2>the name here, but I want everyone to know that

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<v Speaker 2>this is an extremely vigorous, extremely easy to grow vine.

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<v Speaker 2>And I have known multiple people here who have started

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<v Speaker 2>with a very small quart sized plant, so like a

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<v Speaker 2>four inch plant, and you know, two years later, it's

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely covering whatever structure they gave it to plan on.

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<v Speaker 2>But it doesn't become, you know, too aggressive, like people

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<v Speaker 2>maybe start thinking like a trumpet vine. You don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to worry about that. It's not going to destroy your

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<v Speaker 2>foundation or anything like that. It's just it's enough vigor

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<v Speaker 2>to cover what you need to cover without becoming obnoxious,

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<v Speaker 2>without becoming a problem for your neighbors. And it's just

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<v Speaker 2>so beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I do recommend full sun for it. It can grow

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<v Speaker 2>in part shade, but the more sun it gets, the

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<v Speaker 2>more you're going to really be able to bring out

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<v Speaker 2>these amazing features. It's drought tolerant, it's deer resistant, it's

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<v Speaker 2>so easy to grow. The only thing you really need

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<v Speaker 2>is to just have a nice sturdy support for it. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not going to be as heavy as something like

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<v Speaker 2>a whisteria. That's really like twining and building up those thick, thick,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, kind of trunk like stems. It's twining is

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<v Speaker 2>a lot lighter but you do need to make sure

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<v Speaker 2>that whatever you're putting it on is sturdy enough to

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<v Speaker 2>hold this this pretty large vine. It's fine. It's about

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<v Speaker 2>six to twelve feet tall and wide.

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<v Speaker 1>And aside from the unique color, here's a plant that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to really help add some interesting texture.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Landscape.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it looks so much like eucalyptus that at the

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<v Speaker 2>Cincinnati Zoo they actually use it around the Australian animals

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<v Speaker 2>to mimic the look of eucalyptus. So if it's good

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<v Speaker 2>enough for them, it's definitely going to be an attention

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<v Speaker 2>getter in your landscape. Now you will be able to

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<v Speaker 2>find this plant actual local garden centers this spring. But

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<v Speaker 2>I do want to briefly talk about William Kinsley himself.

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<v Speaker 2>This plant actually dates back to the eighteen hundreds eighteen eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you believe that it's pretty wild? So, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's native and sort of sort of something like what

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<v Speaker 2>happened with Annabel hydrangea, where there was you know, speech

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<v Speaker 2>specimens growing in the woods and growing wild and then

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<v Speaker 2>it just took someone saying like whoa, hey, this is

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<v Speaker 2>not your average every day nil nisro reticulata, and so

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<v Speaker 2>it was growing in the greenhouses at Iowa State University,

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<v Speaker 2>and William Kinsley was I don't know, I've not seen

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<v Speaker 2>exactly what his role there was, but you know, he collected,

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<v Speaker 2>he took cuttings off of it, grew it in his

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<v Speaker 2>own garden. Everyone said, hey, that's really cool. Can I

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<v Speaker 2>have some of that? He gave cuttings to friends and family,

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<v Speaker 2>and then everything kind of just disappeared. There wasn't really

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<v Speaker 2>an organized network, of course, to distribute plants back then

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<v Speaker 2>like there is now, and it just kind of fell

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<v Speaker 2>by the wayside until in two thousand and one, a

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<v Speaker 2>nursery owner from Fort Collins Wholesale Nursery in Fort Collins, Colorado,

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<v Speaker 2>driving down the road one day, slams on the break.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, what is that? And it's a Kinsley's

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<v Speaker 2>ghost honeysuckle growing in this yard. He goes up to

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<v Speaker 2>the front door. It's William Kinsley's grandson, who is quite

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<v Speaker 2>elderly at this point, and says, hey, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>really cool plant you have. What's the story with it?

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<v Speaker 2>He tells him the guy is from a wholesale nursery,

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<v Speaker 2>so he is able to now bring it up to

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<v Speaker 2>scale and get it into propagation. And now we have

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<v Speaker 2>Kinsley's ghosts honeysuckle.

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<v Speaker 1>Who you're gonna call he's a ghostbuster? Yeah, that is

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<v Speaker 1>so what a great story.

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<v Speaker 2>It is a great story. It's a great plant, and

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<v Speaker 2>it's definitely one of those ones where people are gonna say,

416
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<v Speaker 2>oh my gosh, what is that. I didn't know you

417
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<v Speaker 2>could grow yuka in Michigan. Expect to hear that. But

418
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<v Speaker 2>if you have something that you've been wanting to cover,

419
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<v Speaker 2>like a fence or a pergola, even a mailbox if

420
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<v Speaker 2>your mailbox is sturdy enough. I growing mine on a

421
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<v Speaker 2>maple tree, a dead maple tree that we killed for

422
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<v Speaker 2>the birds, and it's just going to kind of make

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<v Speaker 2>it into this beautiful column of blue. I'm really excited

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<v Speaker 2>to see what happens this year because I just planted

425
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<v Speaker 2>it last year. So a great plan to add to

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<v Speaker 2>your spring planting list if you've got that special spot

427
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<v Speaker 2>that you've just been waiting for the perfect vine, because

428
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<v Speaker 2>this just may be it. So you can see pictures

429
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<v Speaker 2>of it, of course at the YouTube version or at

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<v Speaker 2>our show notes at Gardening Simplified on air dot com.

431
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<v Speaker 2>We'll also have links you can see even more pictures

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<v Speaker 2>and video from our website. So we're going to take

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<v Speaker 2>a little break. When we come back, we're going to

434
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<v Speaker 2>be opening up the mailbag, so please stay tuned. At

435
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<v Speaker 2>proven winner's color Choice, we've got a shrub for every

436
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437
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438
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<v Speaker 2>for them at your local garden center. Creeting's Gardening friends

441
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<v Speaker 2>and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. You know

442
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<v Speaker 2>you should kick off the new year having your gardening

443
00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:22.559
<v Speaker 2>questions answered by Rick and myself. That's one of the

444
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<v Speaker 2>things we do to try to simplify gardening for you.

445
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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I know it's hard maybe to think

446
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<v Speaker 2>about gardening challenges in January when your plants are maybe

447
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<v Speaker 2>covered in snow and or just dormant not doing much.

448
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<v Speaker 2>But if you do have a gardening question, we would

449
00:23:36.200 --> 00:23:38.079
<v Speaker 2>be happy to help you. So we're really easy to reach.

450
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<v Speaker 2>You can just go to Gardeningsimplified on air dot com,

451
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<v Speaker 2>click the contact tab there and send us a message.

452
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<v Speaker 2>You can even attach a photo, which you know photos

453
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<v Speaker 2>are important. If we don't have a photo, it can

454
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<v Speaker 2>be really hard to answer a question, so definitely include that.

455
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<v Speaker 2>And of course house plants are also a perfectly valid question.

456
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<v Speaker 2>And so if you have a question about plants are

457
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<v Speaker 2>trying to grow indoors, reach out to us about that

458
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<v Speaker 2>as well.

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<v Speaker 1>And share your dreams things you're thinking about doing in

460
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<v Speaker 1>twenty twenty five. Let us know because when we share

461
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<v Speaker 1>things like that, everybody benefit.

462
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's true. You never know. People could be a

463
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<v Speaker 2>little desperate for inspiration if it could be the spark.

464
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<v Speaker 2>So what have we got in the mail bag this week?

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<v Speaker 1>John writes to us, we have had the most amazing

466
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<v Speaker 1>butterfly bush plant ever this fall during a terrible windstorm.

467
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<v Speaker 1>It was blown over and did not die. I pulled

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<v Speaker 1>it back into position and placed a few steaks around

469
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<v Speaker 1>for support. Should I cut it back to take the

470
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<v Speaker 1>weight off of the top or simply leave it alone

471
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<v Speaker 1>and take my chances that it will reroot? And Stacy,

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<v Speaker 1>I think this is an appropriate question to start off

473
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<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty five mail bag because, again, having answered

474
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<v Speaker 1>people's questions for years and years, and years. If I

475
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<v Speaker 1>had a dime for every time I was asked pruning

476
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<v Speaker 1>bud lea or butterfl fly bush questions, I'd be a

477
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<v Speaker 1>rich man, because people really struggle with that. They fear

478
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<v Speaker 1>to prune them back. Also, in regards to what John

479
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<v Speaker 1>is mentioning here, had the same I had the same issue.

480
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<v Speaker 1>They with a misviolet got really big, but they get

481
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<v Speaker 1>top heavy, And I think it's just a good reminder that,

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<v Speaker 1>at least as far as my opinion is concerned, you

483
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<v Speaker 1>should prune them back because they bloom more vigorously the

484
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<v Speaker 1>next year if they get a pruning. At least that's

485
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<v Speaker 1>what my experience.

486
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, butterfly bush is a plant that you

487
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<v Speaker 2>definitely want to prune. It's not so much a plant

488
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<v Speaker 2>health issue as it is an aesthetic issue. And you've

489
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<v Speaker 2>certainly heard me talk about it on the show before.

490
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<v Speaker 2>If you don't prune a butterfly bush, it will eventually

491
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<v Speaker 2>become a second story plant, which is to say that

492
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<v Speaker 2>it's just going to have like a little smattering of

493
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<v Speaker 2>flowers way way up at the tippy top, and you'll

494
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<v Speaker 2>only be able to actually enjoy it from your second floor.

495
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<v Speaker 2>And yes, it will still attract butterflies, but will also

496
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<v Speaker 2>have far fewer flowers and sort of whar's the fun

497
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<v Speaker 2>in that? So this is a plant that I do

498
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<v Speaker 2>recommend regular pruning on. Now, whether or not regular pruning

499
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<v Speaker 2>would have prevented the issue that John experienced is it's

500
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<v Speaker 2>hard to say without actually seeing the plant, but if

501
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<v Speaker 2>you are going to prune butterfly bush, you want to

502
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<v Speaker 2>do it in spring. I always recommend, especially if you

503
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<v Speaker 2>live in a cold climate, waiting until the plant starts

504
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<v Speaker 2>to leaf out, and that can take quite a long time.

505
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<v Speaker 2>It's not one of the first plants to leaf out,

506
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<v Speaker 2>not by a long shot. If you live in a

507
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<v Speaker 2>milder climate, it really kind of never goes fully dormant.

508
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<v Speaker 2>You actually will still see kind of living foliage on

509
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<v Speaker 2>the planet in little buds coming out. But definitely you

510
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<v Speaker 2>want to cut it down to I usually recommend the

511
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<v Speaker 2>lowest possible buds. And that might seem crazy, like, oh

512
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<v Speaker 2>my gosh, how's it going to grow if I cut

513
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<v Speaker 2>it back to these little stubs, But the fact is

514
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<v Speaker 2>it has a huge root system underneath it to fuel

515
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<v Speaker 2>that growth and to recover from that pruning, and as

516
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<v Speaker 2>a result, you get a nice dense plant that's a

517
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<v Speaker 2>covered in flowers rather than just a few at the top,

518
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<v Speaker 2>and I think that that would help some of the

519
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<v Speaker 2>top heaviness, you know that you just described. But you know,

520
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<v Speaker 2>there's still the possibility that for whatever reason, maybe it's

521
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<v Speaker 2>a young plant that hasn't fully rooted in so it's

522
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<v Speaker 2>not as able to withstand strong winds. There could be

523
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<v Speaker 2>you know, underground damage from you know, moles or something

524
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<v Speaker 2>like that that are weakening the root structure. So there's

525
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<v Speaker 2>a lot of potential reasons why this could happen. I

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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't say it's overall a consistent issue with butterfly bush.

527
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<v Speaker 2>It could really happen with anything. But the nice thing

528
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<v Speaker 2>is if it does happen with the butterfly bush, they're

529
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<v Speaker 2>pretty tough, so you kind of can't go wrong with

530
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<v Speaker 2>resolving whatever this is. So cutting it back and fall

531
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<v Speaker 2>is perfectly fine. I generally do recommend saving that pruning

532
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<v Speaker 2>until spring, especially in a cold climate, but you gotta

533
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<v Speaker 2>do what you gotta do. I mean, we all garden

534
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<v Speaker 2>in the real world, so you do what you have

535
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<v Speaker 2>to do. And then yeah, I would kind of do

536
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<v Speaker 2>my best to upright it back and rather than make

537
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<v Speaker 2>it dependent on steaks, although of course if you have

538
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<v Speaker 2>to stake it for one season, you can then correct

539
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<v Speaker 2>that with pruning the following year and then try to

540
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<v Speaker 2>get those roots back covered up in soil, because what

541
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<v Speaker 2>happened probably is that they did have some breakage, and

542
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:16.079
<v Speaker 2>so you want to encourage the plant to roots and

543
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<v Speaker 2>secure itself into the soil, and so you know, how

544
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<v Speaker 2>you go about that really depends on the situation. But

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<v Speaker 2>I would probably personally gently dig on the side that

546
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<v Speaker 2>it was uprooted, try to write it back up upright,

547
00:28:32.480 --> 00:28:34.839
<v Speaker 2>and then put soil back over there and tamp that

548
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<v Speaker 2>down real well to try to help get that contact

549
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<v Speaker 2>which will help encourage greater root growth.

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<v Speaker 1>Nothing sad other than don't be afraid to prune, yeah

551
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<v Speaker 1>my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>You know a lot of times, Yeah we talk a

553
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<v Speaker 2>lot about, oh, prune at this time, prune at that time.

554
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<v Speaker 2>But that doesn't mean that you can't prune it at

555
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<v Speaker 2>other times. It just means you need to know what

556
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<v Speaker 2>any potential drawbacks are and sometimes when when something like

557
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<v Speaker 2>this happens, yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to do what you got to do and

559
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<v Speaker 1>writes to us, Hello from New York six B. We

560
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<v Speaker 1>live in western New York have a terrible problem with

561
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<v Speaker 1>creeping Charlie in our lawn. I feel your pain. It

562
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:15.039
<v Speaker 1>has literally taken over about half of our lawn. We

563
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:18.200
<v Speaker 1>are older, so hand pulling isn't an option. We've seen

564
00:29:18.240 --> 00:29:20.799
<v Speaker 1>a ton of different spray options out of control this

565
00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:24.359
<v Speaker 1>crazy weed. Not sure what is the best approach. We

566
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<v Speaker 1>would love your insight. We're currently planning on killing off

567
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<v Speaker 1>the entire lawn and starting over again, but not one

568
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<v Speaker 1>hundred percent confident that it won't just come back. Help.

569
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<v Speaker 1>I'm desperate. In six B I'm going to make a

570
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<v Speaker 1>lawn story short here. This is all about competition, all

571
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:46.359
<v Speaker 1>about competition, and creeping Charlie is a competitor. You need

572
00:29:46.400 --> 00:29:51.359
<v Speaker 1>to give your lawn a competitive edge on this creeping Charlie.

573
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:54.880
<v Speaker 1>This plant will grow so quickly that it requires a

574
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<v Speaker 1>new ZIP code at the end of summer if you

575
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<v Speaker 1>don't do something about it now. If you are trying

576
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<v Speaker 1>the spray approach, fall is the time to spray, because

577
00:30:04.720 --> 00:30:07.000
<v Speaker 1>the plant is going to be sending food reserves into

578
00:30:07.039 --> 00:30:08.880
<v Speaker 1>the root system and you're going to get better control.

579
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<v Speaker 1>But I would say, first and foremost, take a look

580
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<v Speaker 1>at your lawnmower and raise the deck on the more

581
00:30:16.519 --> 00:30:20.279
<v Speaker 1>take the mower height to the highest height that you

582
00:30:20.480 --> 00:30:24.799
<v Speaker 1>dare set it at without getting into trouble with your neighbors,

583
00:30:25.039 --> 00:30:27.720
<v Speaker 1>and then take it up another notch because that's the

584
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<v Speaker 1>only way you're going to give your lawn a competitive

585
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<v Speaker 1>edge against this creeping charlie. So raise the deck on

586
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<v Speaker 1>the mower. Attack the creeping charlie in fall. If you're

587
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<v Speaker 1>using some herbicide sprays, it can be a tough one

588
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<v Speaker 1>to get on top of it.

589
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I really hope that it's clear to our listeners

590
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<v Speaker 2>that creeping charlie is a weed that not a person.

591
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<v Speaker 2>Glacoma heteratia also known as lawn ivy. Sometimes it's actually

592
00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:59.319
<v Speaker 2>in the mint family and has some ivy. Yeah, ground

593
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:03.319
<v Speaker 2>ivy that's the other that is used frequently, And yeah,

594
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<v Speaker 2>when you have it, it is a problem. But it

595
00:31:06.559 --> 00:31:11.039
<v Speaker 2>thrives in moist shaded conditions. So one option that you

596
00:31:11.039 --> 00:31:14.240
<v Speaker 2>can potentially use if you're keeping your lawn is to

597
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:16.640
<v Speaker 2>cut back on the water. If you can change the

598
00:31:16.720 --> 00:31:20.839
<v Speaker 2>drainage or keep the place where it's really going strong drier,

599
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.000
<v Speaker 2>that will do a lot towards controlling and also if

600
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.559
<v Speaker 2>you can open up more sun, it does prefer to

601
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.119
<v Speaker 2>be in shade. But yeah, completely, this is a plant

602
00:31:29.119 --> 00:31:32.640
<v Speaker 2>that will take advantage of any competitive advantage that it

603
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:35.960
<v Speaker 2>can get. So I think and if you are going

604
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<v Speaker 2>the route of just killing off the lawn and starting again,

605
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:40.920
<v Speaker 2>since you've missed probably the full window to try to

606
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.799
<v Speaker 2>chemically control it. If that's the direction you were considering going,

607
00:31:44.839 --> 00:31:48.960
<v Speaker 2>a new lawn, especially if it's sod, should easily outcompete

608
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:50.920
<v Speaker 2>it because that new sod is going to be very

609
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:53.319
<v Speaker 2>dense and very healthy. And as long as you are

610
00:31:53.359 --> 00:31:57.559
<v Speaker 2>able to maintain that thick, dense and healthy sod, you know,

611
00:31:57.680 --> 00:32:02.400
<v Speaker 2>by fertilizing regularly we control high mowing, which is still

612
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:05.119
<v Speaker 2>important for a healthy lawn as well as an unhealthy line.

613
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<v Speaker 1>To make all the difference.

614
00:32:06.160 --> 00:32:08.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so if it should give, you should reset it

615
00:32:09.480 --> 00:32:11.559
<v Speaker 2>and hopefully that will work. You can also try for

616
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:15.319
<v Speaker 2>using a sod putting down some pre emergent herbicide just

617
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:18.599
<v Speaker 2>in case there's any latent seed in the soil there

618
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:22.079
<v Speaker 2>to come back. But I think that you can get

619
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<v Speaker 2>in control. But yeah, it is one of the toughest

620
00:32:25.359 --> 00:32:26.680
<v Speaker 2>lawn weeds to have for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy real quickly. This is from Blair. My wife and

622
00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:31.440
<v Speaker 1>I are huge fans of the show. We just watched

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<v Speaker 1>Stacy show her own yard remodel on YouTube and she

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<v Speaker 1>mentioned Temple of Bloom seven sunflower in her future design.

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<v Speaker 1>We have two of them that are doing well on

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<v Speaker 1>the proven Winn site. The picture show it's more of

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<v Speaker 1>a tree than a shrub. How does one start turning

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<v Speaker 1>it into a multitrunk tree?

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<v Speaker 2>Right, So great question, Blair, and he sent two pictures

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<v Speaker 2>and they are gorgeous. There's are beautiful plans that you have,

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<v Speaker 2>so those were great to see. The simple fact is

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<v Speaker 2>that for multi stem trees, whether we're talking about hepticodium

633
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<v Speaker 2>or a birch or a maple or anything like that,

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<v Speaker 2>it depends primarily on how it was grown at the grower,

635
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<v Speaker 2>so it can be difficult to kind of try to

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<v Speaker 2>reset and get multi stems. Although because Temple of Bloom

637
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:19.480
<v Speaker 2>is kind of half tree and half shrub, it does

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<v Speaker 2>have some potential for that. So Blair, in looking at

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<v Speaker 2>your photos, I can see that these are definitely plants

640
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<v Speaker 2>that if you want more of a tree like look,

641
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.240
<v Speaker 2>will benefit from being limbed up a bit. So he

642
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:32.799
<v Speaker 2>pretty much has foliage going all the way to the base,

643
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<v Speaker 2>so I would identify where those smaller branches are and

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<v Speaker 2>I would cut them off. And winter is a perfect

645
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.000
<v Speaker 2>time to do this because in winter your plant is

646
00:33:43.039 --> 00:33:46.240
<v Speaker 2>stripped back to that basic structure, so it's very easy

647
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:49.720
<v Speaker 2>to look at it critically and take out those lower stems.

648
00:33:49.759 --> 00:33:52.279
<v Speaker 2>And you can easily take out any stems, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I would say from halfway up the plant down, really

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<v Speaker 2>depending on the look that you're going for. Don't worry

651
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:00.200
<v Speaker 2>about doing that now. It's perfectly fine. You can wait

652
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.039
<v Speaker 2>a little bit later if you want, but definitely do

653
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:05.279
<v Speaker 2>that pruning while it's dormant and your plants are so healthy,

654
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:07.599
<v Speaker 2>so happy, so vigorous. I don't think you really have

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<v Speaker 2>to worry about harming them or setting them back.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of the best pruning jobs are done in January,

657
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:15.679
<v Speaker 1>and why not, what else are you gonna do in jail.

658
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:17.519
<v Speaker 2>It's true, you can put all of your energy into

659
00:34:17.559 --> 00:34:20.440
<v Speaker 2>it because you've got nothing else to worry about. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>definitely go ahead and do that pruning now and look

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00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:26.559
<v Speaker 2>forward to a more treelike temple of bloom this spring.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna take a riak when we come back. We've

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<v Speaker 2>got the one and only Tim Wood joining us for

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<v Speaker 2>Branching News, so please stay tuned. The Gardening Simplified Show

665
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<v Speaker 2>is brought to you by Proven Winner's Color Choice Shrubs.

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667
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668
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<v Speaker 2>and the distinctive white container at your local garden center.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show today for Branching News.

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<v Speaker 1>This is really a privilege. We're going to get an

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to talk to Tim Wood here. He's a horticulturist

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<v Speaker 1>and strategic thinker who helps plant breeders and growers and

674
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:17.320
<v Speaker 1>landscape designers and horticultural retailers like I was throughout my

675
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:21.880
<v Speaker 1>life and consumers discover the value of new and better

676
00:35:21.960 --> 00:35:26.440
<v Speaker 1>problems solving woody plants. And you know, I myself, Stacy

677
00:35:26.519 --> 00:35:30.559
<v Speaker 1>personally have heard Tim talk about this being the golden

678
00:35:30.719 --> 00:35:34.039
<v Speaker 1>age of plant breeding. Today we're talking about the twenty

679
00:35:34.159 --> 00:35:38.280
<v Speaker 1>twenty five National Plants of the Year and it is

680
00:35:38.920 --> 00:35:42.039
<v Speaker 1>it's inspiring. Tim's love for plants and people has been

681
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<v Speaker 1>the foundation of building one of the most beloved and

682
00:35:44.599 --> 00:35:50.039
<v Speaker 1>recognized home and garden brands, Proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs,

683
00:35:50.079 --> 00:35:52.679
<v Speaker 1>and Tim it is it is a pleasure to have

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<v Speaker 1>you on the gardening simplified.

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00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:55.679
<v Speaker 3>Joe, That's my pleasure as well.

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00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:58.480
<v Speaker 1>Thanks for having me looking forward to this and Stacy

687
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:04.039
<v Speaker 1>with your diving in here. We were talking Tim about

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00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:07.920
<v Speaker 1>the twenty twenty five plants of the year and I

689
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<v Speaker 1>got to just get this off my chest here so

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00:36:10.960 --> 00:36:14.599
<v Speaker 1>that I know myself. The hydrange of the year, Little

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00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:19.159
<v Speaker 1>Lime Punch hydrange. We walked through the garden in late

692
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:23.360
<v Speaker 1>summer and I was just stunned by what a gorgeous

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00:36:23.400 --> 00:36:27.880
<v Speaker 1>plant that is. And I understand that you have been

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<v Speaker 1>the key person through the years from the start in

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<v Speaker 1>establishing the names of plants here at Proven Winners, Color

696
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<v Speaker 1>Choice Shrubs. Is that true?

697
00:36:38.400 --> 00:36:41.000
<v Speaker 3>That is true? For better or worse, That's true.

698
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<v Speaker 2>It's better.

699
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>It's fantastic. I think it's fantastic. And little Lime Punch

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00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:51.079
<v Speaker 1>hydranges so Hawaiian punch. It gives you that feel of

701
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:54.280
<v Speaker 1>Hawaiian punch. Takes me back when I was a kid.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not going to ask you how old you are, Tim,

703
00:36:56.599 --> 00:36:59.800
<v Speaker 1>because I'd have to reveal my age also, but I

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00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:02.480
<v Speaker 1>remember those commercials as a kid. How would you like

705
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.480
<v Speaker 1>a nice Hawaiian punch? Is? Are these the kind of

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00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:08.599
<v Speaker 1>things you think about as you name these plants?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, that never crossed my mind when I name

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00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:16.760
<v Speaker 4>that particular plant. Generally, you know, there's not many words

709
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.719
<v Speaker 4>that describe reddish pink, so you can only say, you know,

710
00:37:21.880 --> 00:37:25.159
<v Speaker 4>lime like pinks or whatever the case might be. Whatever

711
00:37:25.199 --> 00:37:28.000
<v Speaker 4>the plant is, you can only say pink a few

712
00:37:28.039 --> 00:37:31.199
<v Speaker 4>different ways, and there's not really a lot of synonyms

713
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:33.920
<v Speaker 4>or a lot of words in the thesaurus to go to.

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00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:38.679
<v Speaker 4>So punch just brought did certainly did bring back memories

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00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:42.039
<v Speaker 4>of you know, Hawaiian punch. And it describes a color

716
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:46.239
<v Speaker 4>without actually saying a color, because when you say a color,

717
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:49.599
<v Speaker 4>people are always disappointed because the color varies so much

718
00:37:49.719 --> 00:37:52.519
<v Speaker 4>depending on where you live. So if I said, you know,

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00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:56.320
<v Speaker 4>dark pink, you know, someone in Atlanta might say, well,

720
00:37:56.320 --> 00:37:59.760
<v Speaker 4>that's a soft pink. And so there's you know, those

721
00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:01.239
<v Speaker 4>things to think about as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Through the years developing these wonderful plants. You know, naming,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess the reason I bring it up is because

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00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:12.079
<v Speaker 1>naming is an important part of the process. It needs

725
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:16.679
<v Speaker 1>to resonate with people, and I get the distinct feeling

726
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:21.760
<v Speaker 1>that you're you enjoy puns just as much as I

727
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.159
<v Speaker 1>do when I see some of the names of proven

728
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:25.480
<v Speaker 1>winners color choice shrugs.

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<v Speaker 4>I enjoy words, and I enjoy word play, and certainly

730
00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:33.039
<v Speaker 4>enjoy listening to your puns as well.

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<v Speaker 1>Well.

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<v Speaker 2>I appreciate game recognizes game over, thank you very and

733
00:38:37.519 --> 00:38:39.599
<v Speaker 2>of course classic rock and a lot of people have

734
00:38:39.679 --> 00:38:41.440
<v Speaker 2>written to us on the show and said, like, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>who's the classic rock fan naming all of these plants?

736
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:46.199
<v Speaker 1>Right?

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00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:49.199
<v Speaker 2>We got all sorts, you know, We've got leads up,

738
00:38:49.239 --> 00:38:51.480
<v Speaker 2>red Zeppelin and a Swan song. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Obviously, I guess it dates me in some ways, but

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<v Speaker 4>I think that one of the things that I try

741
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<v Speaker 4>to do at least is think about, obviously naming plants

742
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:07.000
<v Speaker 4>in a way that doesn't necessarily descriptively describe them, but

743
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:10.239
<v Speaker 4>at the same time gives people an idea of where

744
00:39:10.239 --> 00:39:14.360
<v Speaker 4>it's going to take you, you know, what emotions I want

745
00:39:14.360 --> 00:39:19.800
<v Speaker 4>people to feel. And you know, I go through a

746
00:39:19.880 --> 00:39:24.079
<v Speaker 4>long process when I do plant naming, and I don't

747
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<v Speaker 4>just go through classic rock songs. I'm going to go

748
00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:28.679
<v Speaker 4>through whatever is popular, Like I look at the top

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00:39:28.719 --> 00:39:32.519
<v Speaker 4>one hundred songs or something of and I'll go through

750
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:36.400
<v Speaker 4>thirty years of top one hundred songs. So their songs

751
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:39.880
<v Speaker 4>are a way that people relate, they have good memories

752
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:42.239
<v Speaker 4>of them. And we want to have good memories with

753
00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:46.840
<v Speaker 4>our plants because people, you know, they have a relationship

754
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:48.800
<v Speaker 4>with their plants when they love their plants.

755
00:39:48.840 --> 00:39:50.599
<v Speaker 3>And you know, if you.

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00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:53.719
<v Speaker 4>Name a plant that's just like sounds like a plant name,

757
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:56.119
<v Speaker 4>you forget it too easily. If it's called a little

758
00:39:56.119 --> 00:39:59.639
<v Speaker 4>Princess or Crimson Queen, you know, that just sounds like

759
00:39:59.679 --> 00:40:02.079
<v Speaker 4>a plant name. So I'd rather come up with a

760
00:40:02.159 --> 00:40:05.079
<v Speaker 4>name that people kind of think twice about and say,

761
00:40:05.159 --> 00:40:06.920
<v Speaker 4>you know, what was that guy thinking about when he

762
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:10.760
<v Speaker 4>named that plant, And something that evokes a memory, something

763
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:14.559
<v Speaker 4>that is a little bit fun, and I think that

764
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<v Speaker 4>keeps it all light and enjoyable.

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<v Speaker 1>It goes beyond enjoyable. I think it's important. It's marketing genius.

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<v Speaker 1>I really do think so.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and Tim is so good at it, you know.

768
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:27.280
<v Speaker 2>I know when I started here, I was like, oh,

769
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<v Speaker 2>I can't wait to name plants. This is going to

770
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<v Speaker 2>be so great. And the fact is it's extremely difficult,

771
00:40:33.239 --> 00:40:35.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, not only the golden age of plant breeding

772
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.519
<v Speaker 2>has also brought about the golden age of plant names.

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<v Speaker 2>So a lot of the good ones are taken, some

774
00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:43.320
<v Speaker 2>of them by us, and so it can be really hard.

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00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:45.159
<v Speaker 2>You know, you have the perfect name for a plant,

776
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:47.320
<v Speaker 2>only to find out that someone else has a trademark

777
00:40:47.360 --> 00:40:50.280
<v Speaker 2>on it, or you know that, oh, it also means this,

778
00:40:50.599 --> 00:40:52.840
<v Speaker 2>and so it can be really challenging. You have to

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00:40:52.880 --> 00:40:57.360
<v Speaker 2>have extremely thick skin to name plants these days, because

780
00:40:58.599 --> 00:41:01.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, and I think that the instinct is everyone

781
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:03.719
<v Speaker 2>to find out what's wrong with the name first rather

782
00:41:03.760 --> 00:41:07.199
<v Speaker 2>than what's right with it. So it's not easy. But

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00:41:07.400 --> 00:41:11.159
<v Speaker 2>in addition to plant names, Tim has actually been the

784
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:15.960
<v Speaker 2>person who developed some of our most popular plants incredible hydrangea,

785
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:18.519
<v Speaker 2>bloomerang lilac. Those are just like the top two that

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00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:21.880
<v Speaker 2>come to my head. You know. He was obviously instrumental

787
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:25.960
<v Speaker 2>in introducing limelight limelight and wine and roses, but his

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00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:28.360
<v Speaker 2>own work has brought so many plants that have just

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<v Speaker 2>become you know, American standards in the garden.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's fantastic. Your impact on the industry, Tim is amazing.

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00:41:36.320 --> 00:41:39.880
<v Speaker 1>And if we can ask you about the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>five National Plants of the Year. We're talking about them

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00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.440
<v Speaker 1>today and get a little commentary from you. And let's

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<v Speaker 1>start with the flowering shrub of the Year, the Centaura

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<v Speaker 1>double blue lilac. Give us a comment on this plant.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, lilacs are pretty interesting plants, and that they're very

797
00:41:57.079 --> 00:41:59.480
<v Speaker 4>low maintenance and once you plant them in your garden

798
00:42:00.199 --> 00:42:02.960
<v Speaker 4>usually they're going to be there for years and years.

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<v Speaker 4>And so I enjoy lilac, and of course people love fragrance,

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00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:11.360
<v Speaker 4>and we've been kind of taking a different look at lilac.

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00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:16.320
<v Speaker 4>And if you look at traditional lilacs that are on

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00:42:16.360 --> 00:42:19.559
<v Speaker 4>the market, there's a couple of problems that we encounter.

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00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:23.159
<v Speaker 4>One is it takes them many years to bloom. So

804
00:42:23.320 --> 00:42:25.239
<v Speaker 4>you might go to a garden center and buy a

805
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:28.760
<v Speaker 4>lilac and there's no flowers on it, and then even

806
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:31.159
<v Speaker 4>after several years in the garden, you might only have

807
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:34.000
<v Speaker 4>one or two flowers. And so the breeding that we're

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00:42:34.039 --> 00:42:36.440
<v Speaker 4>doing is actually trying to increase the amount of flowers

809
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:39.480
<v Speaker 4>you get at a young age, and then along with that,

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00:42:39.559 --> 00:42:42.760
<v Speaker 4>increase the number of branches, because the more branches you get,

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<v Speaker 4>the more.

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00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:43.800
<v Speaker 3>Flowers you get.

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<v Speaker 4>So n disease resistance. Those are three of the main

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<v Speaker 4>things that we're looking for.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's fantastic. And Stacey, you and I were talking

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00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:55.599
<v Speaker 1>about reminiscent rose. This thing's a beauty. I just I

817
00:42:55.679 --> 00:42:56.400
<v Speaker 1>love reminiscent.

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00:42:56.559 --> 00:42:59.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean all of the reminiscent roses are so pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>This is the one that's definitely got the boldest color

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00:43:02.719 --> 00:43:06.480
<v Speaker 2>of all of them. And I know when you were

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<v Speaker 2>looking at all of the roses from Phenogino in Serbia,

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00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:12.199
<v Speaker 2>you know, I mean they've how many roses were you

823
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<v Speaker 2>guys looking through in those fields?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I think they put out maybe seventy thousand seedlings

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00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:21.960
<v Speaker 4>a year, So that's a lot of roses.

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<v Speaker 2>To look at, a lot of roses.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, And it's a really quite interesting company.

828
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<v Speaker 3>And there's not many.

829
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<v Speaker 4>Rose breeders that are putting out that many seedlings to

830
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<v Speaker 4>choose from, and so it's a really nice opportunity to

831
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<v Speaker 4>be able to go to a rose breeder at the

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<v Speaker 4>beginning stages and being able to see the whole picture

833
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:46.719
<v Speaker 4>and then narrow it down and being able to select

834
00:43:46.960 --> 00:43:49.960
<v Speaker 4>a series as opposed to just one plant maybe a

835
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 4>smaller breeder. So I think it was pretty exciting to

836
00:43:54.360 --> 00:43:56.719
<v Speaker 4>meet the people at Pheno Geno Trout. We've traveled to

837
00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:00.920
<v Speaker 4>Serbia repeatedly. We go in the bring when the roses

838
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:03.559
<v Speaker 4>look good, we go in the fall when roses don't

839
00:44:03.599 --> 00:44:06.119
<v Speaker 4>look their best, and then we bring the plants back

840
00:44:06.159 --> 00:44:11.079
<v Speaker 4>and we trial them very rigorously, I would say, ruthlessly,

841
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:15.679
<v Speaker 4>the way we trial roses to introduce a rose, I

842
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:20.119
<v Speaker 4>mean we have to we go through hundreds of roses

843
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.320
<v Speaker 4>that have been pre selected by breeders just to find

844
00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:25.800
<v Speaker 4>one good rose. And this is really a nice plant.

845
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:28.559
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I think the whole goal was for the

846
00:44:28.599 --> 00:44:34.280
<v Speaker 4>series of Reminiscent was to fined what a traditional iconic

847
00:44:34.440 --> 00:44:38.000
<v Speaker 4>rose looks like, but give it more of the modern

848
00:44:38.079 --> 00:44:41.000
<v Speaker 4>performance that we hope for. So we don't have to spray,

849
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:42.920
<v Speaker 4>we don't have to do a lot of work in

850
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:44.800
<v Speaker 4>terms of taking care of it. They're on their own

851
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:48.119
<v Speaker 4>roots so that you don't have to worry about where

852
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:50.960
<v Speaker 4>to plant the graft and things like that. And so

853
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:54.239
<v Speaker 4>I think these are really nice roses. They're not what

854
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:57.639
<v Speaker 4>I would say. I think it's a good combination of

855
00:44:57.840 --> 00:44:59.559
<v Speaker 4>all the qualities that people look for in.

856
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.840
<v Speaker 2>A rose and what really stuck out to you when

857
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:05.519
<v Speaker 2>you know you're looking at seventy thousand roses, how did

858
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:08.679
<v Speaker 2>this one kind of rise to the top for even

859
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:10.760
<v Speaker 2>being you know, included for trialing once you got it

860
00:45:10.800 --> 00:45:11.199
<v Speaker 2>back here.

861
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:14.519
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think it's hard to find roses that are

862
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:18.880
<v Speaker 4>fragrant and disease resistance, so those that combination is really

863
00:45:18.880 --> 00:45:22.320
<v Speaker 4>hard to come by and reblooming, so that really that

864
00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:23.559
<v Speaker 4>narrows it down greatly.

865
00:45:23.639 --> 00:45:25.719
<v Speaker 3>And this plant has all of those attributes.

866
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:27.800
<v Speaker 2>And great color. I mean the color is eye popping

867
00:45:27.880 --> 00:45:28.320
<v Speaker 2>on this thing.

868
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:32.840
<v Speaker 4>Great color, I mean, lots of pedals, good fragrance, it's

869
00:45:32.880 --> 00:45:33.519
<v Speaker 4>a nice plan.

870
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:38.920
<v Speaker 1>We're talking to Tim Wood horticulturists here at Proven Winters

871
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Color Choice Shrubs, and Tim, I have to ask you,

872
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:43.800
<v Speaker 1>like I said, and I sincerely mean that you have

873
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:47.440
<v Speaker 1>been an inspiration through the years and your work. How

874
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:50.480
<v Speaker 1>many have you ever sat down and calculated how many

875
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.159
<v Speaker 1>miles you've traveled in this work?

876
00:45:53.760 --> 00:45:58.679
<v Speaker 4>Actually I was, I think traveling to England this year

877
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:01.000
<v Speaker 4>and the steward came up to me and gave me

878
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:03.159
<v Speaker 4>a card and it said I hit my million miles.

879
00:46:03.159 --> 00:46:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah.

880
00:46:04.559 --> 00:46:08.360
<v Speaker 4>They gave me a nice little recognition on my airline

881
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:10.159
<v Speaker 4>for traveling a million miles.

882
00:46:10.239 --> 00:46:13.559
<v Speaker 3>So that's one accomplishment.

883
00:46:13.559 --> 00:46:16.599
<v Speaker 1>I guess that's fantastic. Yeah. We mentioned at the outset

884
00:46:16.679 --> 00:46:20.079
<v Speaker 1>hydrange of the Year little lime punch. Any comment you

885
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:21.599
<v Speaker 1>want to make on little lime punch.

886
00:46:21.880 --> 00:46:27.159
<v Speaker 4>The breeding on Hydrangea peniculata since the introduction of limelight

887
00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:32.000
<v Speaker 4>has been unbelievable. I know to a lot of people

888
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:34.719
<v Speaker 4>out there are Hydrangea. Limelight's probably a new plant to you,

889
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:38.679
<v Speaker 4>but that's a plant that I found in the Netherlands

890
00:46:39.119 --> 00:46:43.360
<v Speaker 4>probably twenty five years ago, and since that time there's

891
00:46:43.400 --> 00:46:46.039
<v Speaker 4>been really a lot of improvements made. I mean, limelight

892
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:49.840
<v Speaker 4>was a big improvement because previous to that we were

893
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:53.840
<v Speaker 4>selling PG Hydrangea, which was quite floppy. It couldn't hold

894
00:46:53.840 --> 00:46:57.719
<v Speaker 4>its blooms up. It was a plant that had been

895
00:46:57.719 --> 00:46:59.800
<v Speaker 4>around for quite a long time and no improvements a

896
00:46:59.840 --> 00:47:04.159
<v Speaker 4>bit made. Limelight was really a vast improvement, not just

897
00:47:04.199 --> 00:47:06.000
<v Speaker 4>because of the green color. A lot of people think

898
00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:10.599
<v Speaker 4>the green color is breadtaking, but it's really It holds

899
00:47:10.639 --> 00:47:15.599
<v Speaker 4>its blooms up and it doesn't flop over much. For

900
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:19.119
<v Speaker 4>the size of the blooms, it's quite remarkable. But we

901
00:47:19.199 --> 00:47:24.119
<v Speaker 4>have much stronger blooming, stronger stemmed hydrangeas. Now we have

902
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:28.280
<v Speaker 4>more colors available, we have more variety available, and so

903
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:34.039
<v Speaker 4>little Lime Punch is probably a lot more like little Lime,

904
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:37.519
<v Speaker 4>you know, smaller in size, but it has really intense

905
00:47:37.840 --> 00:47:41.599
<v Speaker 4>coloration as the bloom age and the flowers are very

906
00:47:41.639 --> 00:47:45.159
<v Speaker 4>dense as well, which is unique. I mean, it's very full.

907
00:47:45.760 --> 00:47:48.159
<v Speaker 4>It almost feels like you're holding a football when you

908
00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:51.679
<v Speaker 4>touch the blooms. And it's the plant that when we

909
00:47:51.760 --> 00:47:54.679
<v Speaker 4>do our trials, it's the one that our visitors all

910
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:58.239
<v Speaker 4>put a flag into because that's their favorite plant. And

911
00:47:58.320 --> 00:48:00.679
<v Speaker 4>whether it's in the garden or whether it's in the

912
00:48:00.719 --> 00:48:04.639
<v Speaker 4>container over in our R and D area, whenever we

913
00:48:04.760 --> 00:48:10.280
<v Speaker 4>have clients visiting or other breeders visiting and they come through.

914
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:11.880
<v Speaker 3>That's a plant that always got a flag.

915
00:48:12.760 --> 00:48:17.480
<v Speaker 4>Just a perfect form, perfect flowers and yeah, I don't

916
00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:20.440
<v Speaker 4>know if there's a better hydrange of piniculata out there.

917
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:22.400
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's some high praise indeed.

918
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:25.639
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's really nice plant that was a developed by

919
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:27.119
<v Speaker 4>Megan Matthai, our breeder.

920
00:48:26.840 --> 00:48:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Here, and you know, I think you know you developed

921
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:32.719
<v Speaker 2>the original little lime correct and that was such a

922
00:48:32.719 --> 00:48:36.079
<v Speaker 2>groundbreaking plant because it was it really started this craze

923
00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:38.400
<v Speaker 2>of smaller piniculators, you know, I mean, sure, there was

924
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:41.519
<v Speaker 2>some small ish ones on the market before, but little

925
00:48:41.519 --> 00:48:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Lime was the first kind of like, wow, I can

926
00:48:43.960 --> 00:48:46.679
<v Speaker 2>actually grow this, it's not eight feet tall and wide

927
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:48.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of paniculata that came on the market.

928
00:48:48.960 --> 00:48:51.679
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it was the first dwarf that didn't flop over.

929
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:53.840
<v Speaker 4>I mean, there was a variety called pee Wee that,

930
00:48:54.280 --> 00:48:56.760
<v Speaker 4>you know, it was a terrible plant, and a few

931
00:48:56.800 --> 00:49:01.440
<v Speaker 4>other dwarf varieties, and you know, little Lime is still

932
00:49:02.119 --> 00:49:05.599
<v Speaker 4>one of the best selling hydranches in the world, and

933
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:07.760
<v Speaker 4>I see it everywhere I go when I travel. But

934
00:49:08.199 --> 00:49:12.199
<v Speaker 4>I think a Little Lime Punch even exceeds what you

935
00:49:12.400 --> 00:49:13.639
<v Speaker 4>get with little limes.

936
00:49:13.639 --> 00:49:16.400
<v Speaker 3>So I mean, if you like limelight, you like you know,

937
00:49:16.440 --> 00:49:19.679
<v Speaker 3>a little lime. I mean, you will not be disappointed

938
00:49:19.719 --> 00:49:20.719
<v Speaker 3>with Little Lime Punch.

939
00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:23.400
<v Speaker 2>It is a really a unique plant. Every time I

940
00:49:23.400 --> 00:49:25.360
<v Speaker 2>see it, I'm just kind of blown away and I

941
00:49:25.400 --> 00:49:28.639
<v Speaker 2>can't resist squeezing the squeezing the flowers. And actually we

942
00:49:28.639 --> 00:49:31.159
<v Speaker 2>were joking about the vintage commercials that it's like squeezing

943
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:33.639
<v Speaker 2>the Sharman from the old Sharman commercials.

944
00:49:34.199 --> 00:49:36.079
<v Speaker 4>The thing I love about it, and a lot of

945
00:49:36.119 --> 00:49:39.679
<v Speaker 4>the plants that I get to deal with, is they

946
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:42.480
<v Speaker 4>make you feel something. You know, when you really see

947
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.519
<v Speaker 4>a good plant and you have it in your yard

948
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:47.800
<v Speaker 4>and you get to see it after a hard day's work,

949
00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:51.800
<v Speaker 4>it just changes your whole attitude. It puts a smile

950
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:55.199
<v Speaker 4>on your face. It makes you happy, and it's like

951
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:58.880
<v Speaker 4>it's therapy. It's and it's the cheapest form of therapy.

952
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.719
<v Speaker 4>I mean, people sometimes can plain about the cost of plants,

953
00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:05.840
<v Speaker 4>but you know, you can't get therapy for forty dollars,

954
00:50:05.960 --> 00:50:09.679
<v Speaker 4>you know, for that's gonna last you twenty years or more. So,

955
00:50:09.719 --> 00:50:11.800
<v Speaker 4>I mean, you look at a day to day basis

956
00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:14.000
<v Speaker 4>of the cost of a plant in your yard, it's

957
00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:17.000
<v Speaker 4>it's a bargain because it just makes your life better.

958
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:21.000
<v Speaker 4>It makes you happier and makes your house worth more money. So,

959
00:50:21.039 --> 00:50:24.119
<v Speaker 4>I mean, there's so many benefits of growing plants. And

960
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:26.639
<v Speaker 4>you know, I think that's the nice thing about this

961
00:50:26.719 --> 00:50:28.800
<v Speaker 4>business is we get to sell a product that people

962
00:50:28.960 --> 00:50:31.559
<v Speaker 4>like and it brings joy to people.

963
00:50:32.079 --> 00:50:36.159
<v Speaker 1>Wow, that's really well said, and yes, you've you've done

964
00:50:36.159 --> 00:50:39.239
<v Speaker 1>that your entire career. Tim You're bringing those benefits to

965
00:50:39.280 --> 00:50:41.440
<v Speaker 1>people all over the world, and there's got to be

966
00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:46.000
<v Speaker 1>a tremendous amount of satisfaction to that. The Landscape Shove

967
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:47.920
<v Speaker 1>of the Year in North Pole Harborviding.

968
00:50:47.960 --> 00:50:52.679
<v Speaker 4>Any comment, Yeah, another good plant. This comes from Art Bau,

969
00:50:53.000 --> 00:50:58.320
<v Speaker 4>a plant breader from Minnesota. He's deceased since we got

970
00:50:58.320 --> 00:51:00.639
<v Speaker 4>the plant, but he was a plant breeder at North

971
00:51:00.719 --> 00:51:04.679
<v Speaker 4>Dakota State University and introduced some really good plants. And

972
00:51:05.679 --> 00:51:10.199
<v Speaker 4>this is a I think, just an iconic looking arbravit,

973
00:51:10.280 --> 00:51:14.360
<v Speaker 4>a white ceedar. Some of you men may know Emerald arbrividing.

974
00:51:14.440 --> 00:51:18.960
<v Speaker 4>This is somewhat similar to it, probably more narrow, a

975
00:51:19.039 --> 00:51:23.559
<v Speaker 4>little bit tighter, but the color is darker and richer, richer,

976
00:51:23.599 --> 00:51:27.239
<v Speaker 4>and it just yeah, I think whenever you see it,

977
00:51:27.320 --> 00:51:28.880
<v Speaker 4>you can very easily pick it out.

978
00:51:29.239 --> 00:51:31.159
<v Speaker 3>It looks great in the container. You can.

979
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:33.440
<v Speaker 4>I have them on my deck at home because it

980
00:51:33.480 --> 00:51:36.119
<v Speaker 4>gives me a little extra privacy from my neighbors when

981
00:51:36.119 --> 00:51:40.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm sitting out there. It's fast growing, and it's the

982
00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:42.880
<v Speaker 4>kind of plant you don't have to do anything to it.

983
00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:46.280
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I love I'm kind of a lazy gardener, Okay.

984
00:51:46.360 --> 00:51:48.719
<v Speaker 4>I don't like weeding. I don't like mulching. I don't

985
00:51:48.800 --> 00:51:50.760
<v Speaker 4>you know. I do enjoy pruning, but it's nice to

986
00:51:50.800 --> 00:51:53.119
<v Speaker 4>have plants I don't have to prune, and this is

987
00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:54.599
<v Speaker 4>a plant you don't have to prune.

988
00:51:54.880 --> 00:51:56.320
<v Speaker 3>And I'm always looking.

989
00:51:56.039 --> 00:51:58.840
<v Speaker 4>For plants that, you know, require less maintenance, that are

990
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:01.880
<v Speaker 4>easier to grow. I want Peace to be successful. And

991
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:05.920
<v Speaker 4>North Pole is just a perfect narrow arbravity. It's not

992
00:52:05.960 --> 00:52:07.559
<v Speaker 4>going to take up your whole yard if you want

993
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:10.639
<v Speaker 4>them screen off your neighbors. It's very narrow and just

994
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:13.119
<v Speaker 4>very pleasant to look at. And when you do use it,

995
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:15.280
<v Speaker 4>don't always just put it in a straight row. Like

996
00:52:15.320 --> 00:52:16.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, you don't go out in nature and see

997
00:52:16.840 --> 00:52:19.760
<v Speaker 4>plants in a straight row. So I mean put them

998
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.920
<v Speaker 4>in little groups of three and you know, triangle shape

999
00:52:23.000 --> 00:52:25.559
<v Speaker 4>so that it looks a little more natural, and then

1000
00:52:25.840 --> 00:52:28.559
<v Speaker 4>space them a little bit. You know, you don't have

1001
00:52:28.639 --> 00:52:34.840
<v Speaker 4>to hide every inch of the you know, your neighbors yard.

1002
00:52:35.400 --> 00:52:37.800
<v Speaker 1>You just need to get rid of hide.

1003
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:40.280
<v Speaker 4>The ugly parts of the yard right and give you

1004
00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:43.320
<v Speaker 4>that privacy. So there's lots of creative ways to use

1005
00:52:43.360 --> 00:52:46.280
<v Speaker 4>the plants, and you don't have to necessarily make it

1006
00:52:46.320 --> 00:52:49.400
<v Speaker 4>look like every straight line arbravided hadgy out there.

1007
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:52.480
<v Speaker 2>I think it's interesting that you say that, because I

1008
00:52:52.519 --> 00:52:54.079
<v Speaker 2>love that look, you know, where there's kind of like

1009
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:56.920
<v Speaker 2>a little family of plants. And one trick that I

1010
00:52:56.960 --> 00:52:59.679
<v Speaker 2>think that people should employ more when they do that

1011
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:02.920
<v Speaker 2>is getting them at different sizes, you know, getting one

1012
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:06.119
<v Speaker 2>and two three gallons for example, And that really does

1013
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:07.880
<v Speaker 2>kind of go for more of that natural look where

1014
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:10.400
<v Speaker 2>it's like one is the offspring of the more established

1015
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:11.280
<v Speaker 2>plants in the garden.

1016
00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:16.519
<v Speaker 4>Excellent observation. And I think that's I have that in

1017
00:53:16.559 --> 00:53:19.880
<v Speaker 4>my yard with my plants as well. On the north pole.

1018
00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:22.239
<v Speaker 4>I had some plants on extra plants on my deck

1019
00:53:22.280 --> 00:53:24.639
<v Speaker 4>that I didn't eat, so I ended up planning one

1020
00:53:24.719 --> 00:53:26.840
<v Speaker 4>out into the yard with the others. And so it

1021
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:30.239
<v Speaker 4>gives you a different height, makes it more interesting, makes

1022
00:53:30.239 --> 00:53:33.280
<v Speaker 4>it look more like nature, and nature's a you can

1023
00:53:33.320 --> 00:53:35.800
<v Speaker 4>never go wrong by copying nature. I mean it's the

1024
00:53:36.199 --> 00:53:39.280
<v Speaker 4>normally the best landscaping ideas you can get.

1025
00:53:39.639 --> 00:53:40.280
<v Speaker 2>It's for sure.

1026
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:44.480
<v Speaker 1>That's fantastic. Well, I wanted to ask you, Tim, twenty

1027
00:53:44.519 --> 00:53:47.440
<v Speaker 1>twenty five, Happy new year to you, and what are

1028
00:53:47.480 --> 00:53:51.960
<v Speaker 1>you most excited about in this year twenty twenty five?

1029
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:55.400
<v Speaker 1>If you I'm going to ask you two unfair questions.

1030
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:57.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to ask you that question, and then I'm

1031
00:53:57.559 --> 00:53:59.519
<v Speaker 1>going to ask you a question. A person with the

1032
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:03.360
<v Speaker 1>experience as that you have whether or not you have

1033
00:54:03.440 --> 00:54:06.480
<v Speaker 1>a favorite plant. And I know that's a very unfair

1034
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:09.239
<v Speaker 1>question to ask, but let's start with twenty twenty five.

1035
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:12.320
<v Speaker 1>What are you most excited about coming up in twenty

1036
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:15.159
<v Speaker 1>twenty five? If you had to pick one thing.

1037
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:21.119
<v Speaker 4>Oh my gosh, I can't really pick one thing. That's

1038
00:54:21.360 --> 00:54:23.760
<v Speaker 4>that's like asking, you know, to pick your favorite child,

1039
00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:25.559
<v Speaker 4>and you.

1040
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<v Speaker 3>Just can't do it. I mean, I told you, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>it's totally unfair. I mean, there's there's every year.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, that's one of the more commonly asked questions

1043
00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:39.519
<v Speaker 4>that I do get. We're looking at thousands of plants,

1044
00:54:40.400 --> 00:54:42.360
<v Speaker 4>and we go out to our R and D house

1045
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:46.039
<v Speaker 4>on a weekly basis, and we're looking at thousands of

1046
00:54:46.800 --> 00:54:50.599
<v Speaker 4>selections out there from different plant readers, and it's hard

1047
00:54:50.599 --> 00:54:52.559
<v Speaker 4>to keep them all straight. You know, if I didn't

1048
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:55.239
<v Speaker 4>take notes and take pictures of plants and file them,

1049
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<v Speaker 4>I wouldn't hardly remember even though there's a lot of

1050
00:54:58.239 --> 00:55:00.719
<v Speaker 4>great plants, same thing out in the field, same thing

1051
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:03.199
<v Speaker 4>out in the garden. You know, we're looking at so

1052
00:55:03.280 --> 00:55:07.400
<v Speaker 4>many different plants and and comparing them against the plants

1053
00:55:07.440 --> 00:55:10.559
<v Speaker 4>that are being sold. Make sure that they're better. But

1054
00:55:10.599 --> 00:55:13.280
<v Speaker 4>there's so many exciting things going on. Like you said,

1055
00:55:13.320 --> 00:55:17.639
<v Speaker 4>it's the golden age of plant breeding. Plant breeders around

1056
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:21.800
<v Speaker 4>the world have been bringing us really great stuff, and

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<v Speaker 4>so it's hard to keep track of what will be

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00:55:25.760 --> 00:55:28.360
<v Speaker 4>introduced next year, the year beyond, the year beyond that,

1059
00:55:28.599 --> 00:55:31.920
<v Speaker 4>and and even some of the things. You know, I'm

1060
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:34.639
<v Speaker 4>getting older, and it's even getting hard to remember all

1061
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.880
<v Speaker 4>the plants that we have in the catalog. So it's

1062
00:55:38.280 --> 00:55:40.360
<v Speaker 4>it's a lot to keep track of. But you know,

1063
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:45.400
<v Speaker 4>I have to love a plant to really get it

1064
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<v Speaker 4>in the catalog and and and put it under the

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<v Speaker 4>proven Winner's brand.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, there's a brand is more than just like

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00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:54.119
<v Speaker 3>a logo.

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<v Speaker 4>It's it's the relationship that we have with our customers

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<v Speaker 4>and the experience that they have, and I want to

1070
00:56:00.159 --> 00:56:01.639
<v Speaker 4>to have the same experience that I have.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's a fantastic answer to that question, for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you nailed it that. That makes a lot

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00:56:08.960 --> 00:56:12.400
<v Speaker 1>of sense to me. And I'm certainly excited about twenty

1074
00:56:12.440 --> 00:56:15.320
<v Speaker 1>twenty five in the plant material that's coming down.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, there's so much great stuff. I mean, I can't

1076
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:19.559
<v Speaker 2>remember it all either. Because you also have to keep

1077
00:56:19.559 --> 00:56:22.159
<v Speaker 2>in mind that for us on this end of things,

1078
00:56:22.559 --> 00:56:24.320
<v Speaker 2>these were plants that were new to us like two

1079
00:56:24.400 --> 00:56:27.079
<v Speaker 2>years ago. So trying to think of what's going to

1080
00:56:27.119 --> 00:56:30.119
<v Speaker 2>be new at the garden centers requires a lot of

1081
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:32.920
<v Speaker 2>mental We often find ourselves what year is it again?

1082
00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:36.159
<v Speaker 4>That's why I keep like four years worth of catalogs

1083
00:56:36.199 --> 00:56:37.440
<v Speaker 4>on my desk.

1084
00:56:38.039 --> 00:56:39.320
<v Speaker 3>I can always refer back.

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<v Speaker 1>Tim. There's so many people who are enjoying beautiful plants

1086
00:56:43.039 --> 00:56:45.280
<v Speaker 1>in their yards because of you, And thank you so

1087
00:56:45.400 --> 00:56:49.480
<v Speaker 1>much for everything you've done in the industry. Certainly appreciate

1088
00:56:49.519 --> 00:56:52.679
<v Speaker 1>it and looking forward to twenty twenty five, it's been

1089
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:54.840
<v Speaker 1>a privilege to have you on the show here today.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, I appreciate being on the show. I appreciate all

1091
00:56:57.239 --> 00:56:59.960
<v Speaker 4>the good information that you're getting people and making guard

1092
00:57:00.079 --> 00:57:02.719
<v Speaker 4>being more enjoyable and more simplified.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what we try to do. Thanks too, well, that

1094
00:57:06.840 --> 00:57:10.119
<v Speaker 2>was an amazing conversation with someone who I think it's

1095
00:57:10.159 --> 00:57:14.519
<v Speaker 2>hard to overstate the influence he's had on not just

1096
00:57:14.519 --> 00:57:17.320
<v Speaker 2>the Proven Winner's Color Choice brand, but on horticulture in

1097
00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:20.440
<v Speaker 2>America over the last thirty years in general. So a

1098
00:57:20.519 --> 00:57:23.119
<v Speaker 2>privilege to have Tim with us today, a privilege to

1099
00:57:23.159 --> 00:57:25.719
<v Speaker 2>work with you, Rick and Adriana, and a privilege to

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<v Speaker 2>have you as our audience. Thank you so much for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>We hope you have a wonderful week ahead.