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Speaker 1: Happy New Year from all of us here at Studio

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A Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs. It's time for the

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first Gardening Simplified Show of twenty twenty five with Stacy

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Hervella me, Rick Weist, and our engineer and producer Adrianna Robinson.

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So little time, so much to do, Let's get right

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to it. This week's show, we'll highlight the twenty twenty

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five National Plants of the Year as it relates to

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Flowering Shrubs. Next week will cover the National Perennial Plants

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of the Year, and the following week the National Flowering

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Annual Plants of the Year. This week, Flowering Shrubs with

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a very special guest in segment four joining us, Tim Wood,

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a horticulturist and strategic thinker who helps plant breeders and

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growers and landscape designers and retailers and consumers discover the

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value of new and better problems solving woody plants just

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like you do, Stacy. Yes, every day here at Proven

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Winners Colored Choice Shrubs, And of course it's Tim. We

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used his phrase many times last year on the show.

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He would say that we live in the golden age

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of plant breeding. That will be fun coming up in

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segment four, but let's hear in segment one. Kick it

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right off the envelope, please, And boy, we got to

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start with the flowering shrub of the year. And I'm

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excited about this one. I have this plant in my landscape,

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and Stacy, if I'm correct, it's the Centaura double blue lilac.

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Speaker 2: That is correct.

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Speaker 1: Yes, what a gorgeous plant. And as they say here

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at Proven Winners Color Choice Shrubs, tie your shoes tight

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because the fragrance of this lilac will knock your socks off, right,

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it will.

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Speaker 2: And you know, of course people expect lilacs to be fragrance,

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even though they aren't all fragrant, aren't all equally fragrant.

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But Cintaur double blue is a syringa hyacintha flora which

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is a mouthful. But you might guess by the inclusion

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of hyacinth in there that this is an exceptionally fragrant

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lilac and an exceptionally beautiful one too. It's just the flowers.

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You have to see them to believe them. They're double flowers,

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so it's called Sintara double blue.

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Speaker 1: And then when you add to the mix the fact

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that they aggressively bloom and are I'm gonna say, somewhat

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disease resistant mine in my landscape. I was surprised I

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didn't deal with powdery mildew whatsoever.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely are much more powdery meldy resistant than

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your standard syringa vulgaris or common lilac.

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Speaker 1: And then of course, you know you mentioned the vulgaris.

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a typical vulgaris Liway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great plant, and it is very hardy.

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It's hard to down to USDA Zone two, so much

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hardier then we're gonna need anywhere in Michigan. And it

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also needs fewer chilling hours than other lilacs, so you

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can grow it into warmer climates, even into Usdas on eight.

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Speaker 1: Flowering Shrub of the Year Centaura double blue lilac, we

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moved to rose of the Year the envelope please reminiscent

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coral rosa. Did I get that?

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Speaker 2: You did get it right, Thank you, And.

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Speaker 1: I'm glad I did because I love reminiscent roses. And

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if you're a person like many who is into cut

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flower gardening, Stacy, I believe this is one you got

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to have in your landscape.

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Speaker 2: It is it's called reminiscent because it is reminiscent of

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the days when roses used to be big and fragrant

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and full of petals. And what happened really is that

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was that was the norm for many, many years, and

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then disease resistant landscape roses came out and that was great,

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but it kind of like made everybody rethink roses and

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they said, oh, I don't want those old fashioned types

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you know that maybe get disease or require dead heading

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or you know, are high maidenance spot. Yeah, and so

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what has had up and now since that trend started,

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you know, a good thirty years ago or so, is

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that now plant breeders are able to take all of

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that disease resistance and bring back the fragrance, bring back

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that high pedal count, bring back that great color, but

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in a disease resistant package. And that's what's so great

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about reminiscent roses. And you're right, Rick, they are a

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fantastic cut flower because they're kind of like a cabbage rose,

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and old fashioned cabbage rose with just tons and tons

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of petals, glorious fragrance, and super easy to grow.

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Speaker 1: I can tell you from experience in my landscape. Wow,

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amazed at how well this plant grows. And when I

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look at it in my landscape, I'm thinking, well, of course,

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because it was developed in Serbia. Yes, Serbia sounds cold

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to me. Maybe it's not. I don't know, but they're

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sure doing a great job with roses.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they are a really interesting breeding program. It's actually

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an all women breeding program in Serbia. And what their

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whole goal has been to bring back all of this

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classic rose feature. So they are developing roses for fragrance

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the Flavorette series. Those also come from Fenogeno in Serbia.

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of roses, so that we can rediscover everything that we lost.

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of humous here, so to speak. It is Serbia, not Siberia.

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Speaker 2: Ah, yes, okay.

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Speaker 1: All right. Hydrangea of the Year. I'm so excited about this.

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We did a summer walk through this past year, a

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late summer walkthrough, and this plant was putting on a show,

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little lime punch. Hydrangea paniculata Wow, this thing. I think

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the great thing about it is this thing puts on

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a show because it's not just one color. It's step

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back and watch it change as the season go.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it has a lot of color at once, and

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that is the main thing I think that people notice

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when when they first look at pictures of Little Lime Punch,

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And of course we'll have pictures and the YouTube version

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of the show as well as in the show. Oh

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it's at Gardening simplified on air dot com. But it's

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got more than just that color. So it is a

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dwarf plant, so reaching in the three to five foot range,

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which is so great for panicle hydranges because most of them,

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the old fashion ones get huge, you know, six plus feet,

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so not everyone has space for them. Whereas this one's

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going to be in the three to five foot range,

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so it's a lot easier to incorporate. And then the

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breeding on panicle hydranges, especially here at proofn Winner's Color

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Choice shrubs have developed really strong stems. So this is

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a plant that you cannot knock down. And it's kind

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of one of those things. And I think we did

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this when we were on our walkthrough. He kind of

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want to bat it around like a little kitten or something,

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because it's so strong and sturdy, and it just bounces

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right back. It's really amazing.

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Speaker 1: It's an amazing plant. So hydrange of the year little

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lime punch hydrange of piniculata. And I think last year

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I heard you use this phrase, Stacey, in that it's

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almost like Hawaiian punch. Yes, so when you talk about

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the sturdiness of the stems, I think back to being

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a little kid and watching cartoons and they had this

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drink called Hawaiian Punch. Yeah, and the commercial was something

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along the lines of, how would you like a nice

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Hawaiian punch and blammel or something like that. I somehow

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I recall that and I think of that every time

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I see this plant. What a fantastic show of color.

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punch name, and it is if you do remember Hawaiian punch,

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in it, but yeah, and the flowers. So do you

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like it's hey, if we're talking about old commercials, it's

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like squeeze the Sharman and you have to kind of

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have to squeeze it and see because it's so oh

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dense full of florettes. It's really an extraordinary plant, not

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like any other panicle hydrange on the market.

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Speaker 1: Great description, and we'll have to ask Tim Wood about

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that in segment for today, Stacy the envelope, Please, Landscape

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shrub of the Year. I love this north pole thuya arborviti.

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It's a tight columnar habit on this evergreen. And part

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of the reason that I love north pole is that

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I think it's a perfect plant to create exclamation points

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in your landscape.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we talked about that last year when we were

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doing one of our design shows. So it is a

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great plant for doing just that. It's very narrow at

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the base. So the great thing with an arborviding like

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this is it doesn't take up a lot of real

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estate if you have a small yard, whereas more conventional

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arborvid's are going to be taking up like ten feet

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or more of yard space. This one takes up just

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a fraction of the space. It's great on its own,

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it's great in small groups or clusters, and it's great

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as a space saving hedge too. So it's super versatile.

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The only thing they can, of course tolerate is deer

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because if you've ever smelled the delicious fragrance of an

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arborvity and you wanted to eat it, well, then you

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can imagine how the deer feel when they get a

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whiff of this ubiquitous shrub. Weather it's northpole or another arborvidy,

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they do love it. But otherwise it's a great native

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evergreen that you'll find growing all over the eastern half

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of North America. Very hardy, pretty heat tallerant, more heat

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tolerant than most people expect, because certain varieties can actually

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grow all the way down into USDA Zone eight.

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Speaker 1: So there you have it. The twenty twenty five National

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Plants of the Year as it relates to woody plants

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or flowering shrubs. But boy, in addition to the Plants

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of the Year, you're going to be hearing from us

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about other exciting developments. Not this year National Plants of

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the Year, but so many developments coming along. And you know,

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I've talked about how I'm excited about Illuminati Spice and

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mock Orange, the Flavorette roses. I'm getting my salad plate

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ready and I'm really fascinated Stacy by both Kodiak red

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a two point old dr villa and fun Yella. This

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clematis called Golden Dream.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, isn't it beautiful?

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Speaker 1: That looks interest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that is a spring flowering clematis. Yeah, it

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does continue to bloom, you know, through the summer. But

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it's a yellow clematis high pedal count, so it almost

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looks like little kind of jellyfish or octopus. And it

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is a beautiful planet. It's fragrant. I absolutely love this clematis.

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It's not one that you normally see so.

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Speaker 1: Much to look forward to, including for a guy like me.

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I love hibiscus and Hollywood tropical hibiscus. We'll be talking

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about that also in the coming year for sure. Plants

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on Trial coming up next. I have an idea of

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how Stacy's going to tie into this, but stay tuned.

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Will continue to talk about twenty twenty five National Plants

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of the Year and upcoming exciting plants that you can

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enjoy in your landscape.

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Speaker 2: Proven Winter's Color Choice Shrubs cares about your success in

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the garden. That's why we trial and test all of

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our shrubs for eight to ten years, making sure they

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outperform everything else on the market. Look for them and

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the distinctive white container at your local garden center. Greeting's

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gardening friends, and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show.

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It's the first Gardening Simplified Show of twenty twenty five.

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We are ready, we are rare and to go. And

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you know, I don't know if it's just me, but

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I wish that winter was like Thanksgiving to New Year's

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and then it was spring. Oh, wouldn't that be a dream?

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Speaker 1: Same here. I've always felt that way.

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Speaker 2: You know, you get over the holidays and all the excitement,

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and then you're left with January and February. And how

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is it that February is the shortest month of the

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year and seems the longest.

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Speaker 1: It feels that way to me. Don't get me started

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on that whole feel you.

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Speaker 2: Oh my, So it's a little bit of a long

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drag here until we get to the gardening season. But

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we know we'll keep you entertained, we'll keep you inspired,

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we'll keep you dreaming about what is just around the corner.

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And ultimately, I do feel like it always goes fast.

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But these next two months for a gardener, I think especially,

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can be a little bit disheartening.

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Speaker 1: Well let's make it fun and let's do some dreaming.

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Speaker 2: Yes, well, you know that's I'm dreaming even the summer

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about how things can be different. So but anyway, so

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of course, new year, new plants. We've got every year,

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we've got new plants in the Proven Winter's Color Choice line,

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and you know, it's always very exciting that they come

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out and they're new options. But the plant that I

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am going to cover is today's plant on trial is

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the one that I am easily the most excited about

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of the class of twenty twenty five for Proven Winner's

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Color Choice Shrubs. And you know what, it's not even

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an actually new plant. It's only new to Proven Winners

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Colored Choice Shrubs. And that is a very unusual situation

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because we don't normally do that. We're normally bringing in

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plants that are from another country that have just come

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to the US, or that we have developed, or one

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of our partners has developed and is only coming onto

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the market for the first time. So this plant is

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a huge exception. It is Kinsley's ghost honeysuckle.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, yes, interesting plant. And when I was scrolling through

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and looking at plants and this one popped up for me,

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first thing that popped in my mind was what a eucalyptus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks like a eucalyptus. So I'll get into

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what makes us such an amazing plant. I have one

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in my yard. I love this plant. It is a

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native honeysuckle, so it's a North American native species. So

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let's just clear the air right there. It is not invasive.

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You don't have to worry about this thing spreading around.

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this is a vining honeysuckle. But anyway, what's really unique

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about this plant is it's one of those plants that

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if people saw it at say a public garden or

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you know, something like that in a landscape, they were like,

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oh my gosh, I have to have that, And then

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they would get all hyped up for it, and they'd

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go to the garden center and they wouldn't find any

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in very very short supply for many many years, and

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only a lucky few actually had it in their garden.

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using it in our own evaluations as something to test against.

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And we realize that this plant has everything that we

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look for in a proven winner's color choice shrubs. It's

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extremely beautiful and unique looking, very very low maintenance, disease resistant,

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pest resistant, tolerant of all sorts of different challenges, whether

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that's drought or our sun or deer, and so it

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kind of ticked all of our boxes. And what we

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did is we went to Plants Select, which is a

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program out of Colorado that kind of highlights plants that

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are suitable to Colorado's extremely challenging growing conditions. And so

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for many years, Kinsley's Ghost Honeysuckle was really only available

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through Plants Select, and they just couldn't get enough plants

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out there on the market. So we realized that there

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was huge demand for this plant, that it was a

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great plant, that it was a good native vine and

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that we could contribute our opportunity to get to scale

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to bring this plant to a wider audience. And so

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we worked with them, came to an agreement, and now

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we're super excited that Kinsley's Ghost honeysuckle is one of

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the proven winner's colored choice shrubs and that means it's

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going to be a lot easier for you to find. Now,

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you might be wondering, why would I care. Honeysuckles are everywhere,

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but this is a honeysuckle like you have never seen before,

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So you kind of have to see it to believe it.

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And Adriana and I can tell you that when people

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have visited our trial guard and seen it, I mean

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it's like they're falling all over themselves to place in

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order for it. But it's beautiful you'll see in the pictures,

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but really seeing this thing in person, it just takes

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your breath away. So it is a blue foliage plant,

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and that alone is pretty unusual blue foliage.

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Speaker 1: It almost looks metallic.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, it has that kind of like beautiful powdery

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coated blue color. So it's like a nice kind of

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aqua kind of color. And that's so as soon as

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it comes out in spring, you're gonna get that beautiful

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blue foliage. But what where it really kind of kicks

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into high gear is a little bit later into spring,

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going into summer, when it starts to get ready to flower.

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And then what happens is this blue foliage at the

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tips of the branch forms a saucer shaped disc that

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goes all the way around the stem. And that's what

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makes it look like eucalyptus.

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Speaker 3: Ah.

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Speaker 2: That's so if you've ever bought, like dried eucalyptus, or

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you've been to a place where eucalyptus grows or grown

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it as an annual, which you can do sometimes, you

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see how the eucalyptus foliage basically goes all the way

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around the stem of the and that's what Kinsley's Ghost

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does as well. And then out of that saucer bursts

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these clusters of yellow flowers. Now they are lightly fragrant.

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honeysuckles that fills the June air and sends you off

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into dreamy fits, but it's worth it because it's just

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so unusual, and the flowers are still beautiful because they

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have great contrast with that blue foliage. Now, as the

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season progresses, those flowers fade, they leave behind a brilliant

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red berry, which is really really pretty. But what's more

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is that, especially if the plant is in a really

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sunny spot and in dry conditions, that bract turns a

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ghostly white. So you have all this blue foliage, you've

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got this white bract at the tip, and a red

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and red berries in the center of that. It is

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truly an extraordinary unique plant.

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Speaker 1: So if you're listening to the podcast or radio and

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you're wondering what are we talking about keeping score at home,

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Stacy's talking about Kinsley's Is that correct?

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Speaker 2: That is correct.

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Speaker 1: Kinsley's Ghost And it's a honeysuckle vine. The botanical name

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Laniscera reticulata.

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, gray honeysuckle is I don't really know exactly why.

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The berries don't look any different than any other honeysuckle,

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or they don't really look like grapes, but they call

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it a gray honeysuckle. Now, another thing I want you

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to know. I do want to get to the point

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about who Kinsley was, because obviously there's a Kinsley in

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the name here, but I want everyone to know that

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this is an extremely vigorous, extremely easy to grow vine.

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And I have known multiple people here who have started

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with a very small quart sized plant, so like a

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four inch plant, and you know, two years later, it's

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absolutely covering whatever structure they gave it to plan on.

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But it doesn't become, you know, too aggressive, like people

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maybe start thinking like a trumpet vine. You don't have

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to worry about that. It's not going to destroy your

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foundation or anything like that. It's just it's enough vigor

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to cover what you need to cover without becoming obnoxious,

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without becoming a problem for your neighbors. And it's just

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so beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: I do recommend full sun for it. It can grow

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in part shade, but the more sun it gets, the

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more you're going to really be able to bring out

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these amazing features. It's drought tolerant, it's deer resistant, it's

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so easy to grow. The only thing you really need

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is to just have a nice sturdy support for it. Now,

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it's not going to be as heavy as something like

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a whisteria. That's really like twining and building up those thick, thick,

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you know, kind of trunk like stems. It's twining is

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a lot lighter but you do need to make sure

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that whatever you're putting it on is sturdy enough to

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hold this this pretty large vine. It's fine. It's about

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six to twelve feet tall and wide.

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Speaker 1: And aside from the unique color, here's a plant that's

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going to really help add some interesting texture.

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Speaker 3: Oh for sure.

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Speaker 1: Landscape.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it looks so much like eucalyptus that at the

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Cincinnati Zoo they actually use it around the Australian animals

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to mimic the look of eucalyptus. So if it's good

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enough for them, it's definitely going to be an attention

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getter in your landscape. Now you will be able to

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find this plant actual local garden centers this spring. But

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I do want to briefly talk about William Kinsley himself.

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This plant actually dates back to the eighteen hundreds eighteen eighties.

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Can you believe that it's pretty wild? So, like I said,

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it's native and sort of sort of something like what

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happened with Annabel hydrangea, where there was you know, speech

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specimens growing in the woods and growing wild and then

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it just took someone saying like whoa, hey, this is

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not your average every day nil nisro reticulata, and so

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it was growing in the greenhouses at Iowa State University,

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and William Kinsley was I don't know, I've not seen

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exactly what his role there was, but you know, he collected,

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he took cuttings off of it, grew it in his

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own garden. Everyone said, hey, that's really cool. Can I

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have some of that? He gave cuttings to friends and family,

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and then everything kind of just disappeared. There wasn't really

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an organized network, of course, to distribute plants back then

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like there is now, and it just kind of fell

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by the wayside until in two thousand and one, a

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nursery owner from Fort Collins Wholesale Nursery in Fort Collins, Colorado,

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driving down the road one day, slams on the break.

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Oh my gosh, what is that? And it's a Kinsley's

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ghost honeysuckle growing in this yard. He goes up to

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the front door. It's William Kinsley's grandson, who is quite

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elderly at this point, and says, hey, this is a

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really cool plant you have. What's the story with it?

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He tells him the guy is from a wholesale nursery,

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so he is able to now bring it up to

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scale and get it into propagation. And now we have

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Kinsley's ghosts honeysuckle.

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Speaker 1: Who you're gonna call he's a ghostbuster? Yeah, that is

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so what a great story.

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Speaker 2: It is a great story. It's a great plant, and

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it's definitely one of those ones where people are gonna say,

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oh my gosh, what is that. I didn't know you

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could grow yuka in Michigan. Expect to hear that. But

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if you have something that you've been wanting to cover,

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like a fence or a pergola, even a mailbox if

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your mailbox is sturdy enough. I growing mine on a

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maple tree, a dead maple tree that we killed for

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the birds, and it's just going to kind of make

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it into this beautiful column of blue. I'm really excited

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to see what happens this year because I just planted

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it last year. So a great plan to add to

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your spring planting list if you've got that special spot

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that you've just been waiting for the perfect vine, because

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this just may be it. So you can see pictures

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of it, of course at the YouTube version or at

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our show notes at Gardening Simplified on air dot com.

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We'll also have links you can see even more pictures

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and video from our website. So we're going to take

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a little break. When we come back, we're going to

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be opening up the mailbag, so please stay tuned. At

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proven winner's color Choice, we've got a shrub for every

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taste and every space. Whether you're looking for an easycare

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rose and unforget a hydrangea, or something new and unique,

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you can be confident that the shrubs and the white

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containers have been trialed and tested for your success. Look

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for them at your local garden center. Creeting's Gardening friends

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and welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show. You know

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you should kick off the new year having your gardening

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questions answered by Rick and myself. That's one of the

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things we do to try to simplify gardening for you.

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And you know, I know it's hard maybe to think

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about gardening challenges in January when your plants are maybe

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covered in snow and or just dormant not doing much.

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But if you do have a gardening question, we would

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be happy to help you. So we're really easy to reach.

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You can just go to Gardeningsimplified on air dot com,

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click the contact tab there and send us a message.

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You can even attach a photo, which you know photos

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are important. If we don't have a photo, it can

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be really hard to answer a question, so definitely include that.

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And of course house plants are also a perfectly valid question.

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And so if you have a question about plants are

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trying to grow indoors, reach out to us about that

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as well.

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Speaker 1: And share your dreams things you're thinking about doing in

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twenty twenty five. Let us know because when we share

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things like that, everybody benefit.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. You never know. People could be a

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little desperate for inspiration if it could be the spark.

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So what have we got in the mail bag this week?

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Speaker 1: John writes to us, we have had the most amazing

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butterfly bush plant ever this fall during a terrible windstorm.

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It was blown over and did not die. I pulled

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it back into position and placed a few steaks around

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00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,000
for support. Should I cut it back to take the

470
00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:38,400
weight off of the top or simply leave it alone

471
00:24:38,559 --> 00:24:43,599
and take my chances that it will reroot? And Stacy,

472
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:46,640
I think this is an appropriate question to start off

473
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:51,720
the twenty twenty five mail bag because, again, having answered

474
00:24:51,759 --> 00:24:55,079
people's questions for years and years, and years. If I

475
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,160
had a dime for every time I was asked pruning

476
00:24:58,640 --> 00:25:03,759
bud lea or butterfl fly bush questions, I'd be a

477
00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:07,000
rich man, because people really struggle with that. They fear

478
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:11,680
to prune them back. Also, in regards to what John

479
00:25:11,799 --> 00:25:15,119
is mentioning here, had the same I had the same issue.

480
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,359
They with a misviolet got really big, but they get

481
00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:22,559
top heavy, And I think it's just a good reminder that,

482
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:26,359
at least as far as my opinion is concerned, you

483
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,480
should prune them back because they bloom more vigorously the

484
00:25:29,519 --> 00:25:32,039
next year if they get a pruning. At least that's

485
00:25:32,079 --> 00:25:33,240
what my experience.

486
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, butterfly bush is a plant that you

487
00:25:35,559 --> 00:25:38,000
definitely want to prune. It's not so much a plant

488
00:25:38,079 --> 00:25:41,119
health issue as it is an aesthetic issue. And you've

489
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,640
certainly heard me talk about it on the show before.

490
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,160
If you don't prune a butterfly bush, it will eventually

491
00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,720
become a second story plant, which is to say that

492
00:25:48,759 --> 00:25:50,519
it's just going to have like a little smattering of

493
00:25:50,559 --> 00:25:52,759
flowers way way up at the tippy top, and you'll

494
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:56,440
only be able to actually enjoy it from your second floor.

495
00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:59,119
And yes, it will still attract butterflies, but will also

496
00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:01,759
have far fewer flowers and sort of whar's the fun

497
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,440
in that? So this is a plant that I do

498
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:07,960
recommend regular pruning on. Now, whether or not regular pruning

499
00:26:08,079 --> 00:26:12,680
would have prevented the issue that John experienced is it's

500
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,680
hard to say without actually seeing the plant, but if

501
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,599
you are going to prune butterfly bush, you want to

502
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,839
do it in spring. I always recommend, especially if you

503
00:26:20,839 --> 00:26:23,759
live in a cold climate, waiting until the plant starts

504
00:26:23,799 --> 00:26:26,799
to leaf out, and that can take quite a long time.

505
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:28,680
It's not one of the first plants to leaf out,

506
00:26:28,759 --> 00:26:30,599
not by a long shot. If you live in a

507
00:26:30,599 --> 00:26:33,400
milder climate, it really kind of never goes fully dormant.

508
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,319
You actually will still see kind of living foliage on

509
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:40,400
the planet in little buds coming out. But definitely you

510
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:42,799
want to cut it down to I usually recommend the

511
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:46,119
lowest possible buds. And that might seem crazy, like, oh

512
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:47,640
my gosh, how's it going to grow if I cut

513
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:50,079
it back to these little stubs, But the fact is

514
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:54,279
it has a huge root system underneath it to fuel

515
00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:57,079
that growth and to recover from that pruning, and as

516
00:26:57,119 --> 00:26:59,680
a result, you get a nice dense plant that's a

517
00:27:00,319 --> 00:27:03,279
covered in flowers rather than just a few at the top,

518
00:27:03,319 --> 00:27:05,079
and I think that that would help some of the

519
00:27:05,079 --> 00:27:08,720
top heaviness, you know that you just described. But you know,

520
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,599
there's still the possibility that for whatever reason, maybe it's

521
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,920
a young plant that hasn't fully rooted in so it's

522
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,839
not as able to withstand strong winds. There could be

523
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:22,599
you know, underground damage from you know, moles or something

524
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:25,880
like that that are weakening the root structure. So there's

525
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,279
a lot of potential reasons why this could happen. I

526
00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:32,119
wouldn't say it's overall a consistent issue with butterfly bush.

527
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,920
It could really happen with anything. But the nice thing

528
00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:37,079
is if it does happen with the butterfly bush, they're

529
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,880
pretty tough, so you kind of can't go wrong with

530
00:27:40,079 --> 00:27:43,759
resolving whatever this is. So cutting it back and fall

531
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:47,319
is perfectly fine. I generally do recommend saving that pruning

532
00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:49,839
until spring, especially in a cold climate, but you gotta

533
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,000
do what you gotta do. I mean, we all garden

534
00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:54,000
in the real world, so you do what you have

535
00:27:54,039 --> 00:27:56,440
to do. And then yeah, I would kind of do

536
00:27:56,559 --> 00:27:59,720
my best to upright it back and rather than make

537
00:27:59,759 --> 00:28:02,240
it dependent on steaks, although of course if you have

538
00:28:02,279 --> 00:28:04,880
to stake it for one season, you can then correct

539
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,599
that with pruning the following year and then try to

540
00:28:07,640 --> 00:28:10,400
get those roots back covered up in soil, because what

541
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,319
happened probably is that they did have some breakage, and

542
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,079
so you want to encourage the plant to roots and

543
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,960
secure itself into the soil, and so you know, how

544
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,720
you go about that really depends on the situation. But

545
00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,839
I would probably personally gently dig on the side that

546
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,359
it was uprooted, try to write it back up upright,

547
00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:34,839
and then put soil back over there and tamp that

548
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,920
down real well to try to help get that contact

549
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,000
which will help encourage greater root growth.

550
00:28:40,319 --> 00:28:43,359
Speaker 1: Nothing sad other than don't be afraid to prune, yeah

551
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:44,119
my opinion.

552
00:28:44,319 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: You know a lot of times, Yeah we talk a

553
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:49,279
lot about, oh, prune at this time, prune at that time.

554
00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:51,880
But that doesn't mean that you can't prune it at

555
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,160
other times. It just means you need to know what

556
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,960
any potential drawbacks are and sometimes when when something like

557
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,160
this happens, yeah, you gotta do what you gotta do.

558
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:00,759
Speaker 1: You got to do what you got to do and

559
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:05,079
writes to us, Hello from New York six B. We

560
00:29:05,119 --> 00:29:08,160
live in western New York have a terrible problem with

561
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,759
creeping Charlie in our lawn. I feel your pain. It

562
00:29:11,799 --> 00:29:15,039
has literally taken over about half of our lawn. We

563
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:18,200
are older, so hand pulling isn't an option. We've seen

564
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,799
a ton of different spray options out of control this

565
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,359
crazy weed. Not sure what is the best approach. We

566
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:27,160
would love your insight. We're currently planning on killing off

567
00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,640
the entire lawn and starting over again, but not one

568
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:33,640
hundred percent confident that it won't just come back. Help.

569
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,279
I'm desperate. In six B I'm going to make a

570
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:40,960
lawn story short here. This is all about competition, all

571
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:46,359
about competition, and creeping Charlie is a competitor. You need

572
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:51,359
to give your lawn a competitive edge on this creeping Charlie.

573
00:29:52,039 --> 00:29:54,880
This plant will grow so quickly that it requires a

574
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:56,920
new ZIP code at the end of summer if you

575
00:29:57,000 --> 00:30:00,160
don't do something about it now. If you are trying

576
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:04,720
the spray approach, fall is the time to spray, because

577
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,000
the plant is going to be sending food reserves into

578
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:08,880
the root system and you're going to get better control.

579
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,799
But I would say, first and foremost, take a look

580
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:15,680
at your lawnmower and raise the deck on the more

581
00:30:16,519 --> 00:30:20,279
take the mower height to the highest height that you

582
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:24,799
dare set it at without getting into trouble with your neighbors,

583
00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:27,720
and then take it up another notch because that's the

584
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:30,240
only way you're going to give your lawn a competitive

585
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:35,799
edge against this creeping charlie. So raise the deck on

586
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,880
the mower. Attack the creeping charlie in fall. If you're

587
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,200
using some herbicide sprays, it can be a tough one

588
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:44,480
to get on top of it.

589
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, I really hope that it's clear to our listeners

590
00:30:46,759 --> 00:30:51,279
that creeping charlie is a weed that not a person.

591
00:30:52,279 --> 00:30:57,160
Glacoma heteratia also known as lawn ivy. Sometimes it's actually

592
00:30:57,160 --> 00:30:59,319
in the mint family and has some ivy. Yeah, ground

593
00:30:59,359 --> 00:31:03,319
ivy that's the other that is used frequently, And yeah,

594
00:31:03,319 --> 00:31:06,200
when you have it, it is a problem. But it

595
00:31:06,559 --> 00:31:11,039
thrives in moist shaded conditions. So one option that you

596
00:31:11,039 --> 00:31:14,240
can potentially use if you're keeping your lawn is to

597
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:16,640
cut back on the water. If you can change the

598
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:20,839
drainage or keep the place where it's really going strong drier,

599
00:31:21,359 --> 00:31:24,000
that will do a lot towards controlling and also if

600
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,559
you can open up more sun, it does prefer to

601
00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:29,119
be in shade. But yeah, completely, this is a plant

602
00:31:29,119 --> 00:31:32,640
that will take advantage of any competitive advantage that it

603
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,960
can get. So I think and if you are going

604
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,359
the route of just killing off the lawn and starting again,

605
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:40,920
since you've missed probably the full window to try to

606
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:43,799
chemically control it. If that's the direction you were considering going,

607
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:48,960
a new lawn, especially if it's sod, should easily outcompete

608
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,920
it because that new sod is going to be very

609
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,319
dense and very healthy. And as long as you are

610
00:31:53,359 --> 00:31:57,559
able to maintain that thick, dense and healthy sod, you know,

611
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:02,400
by fertilizing regularly we control high mowing, which is still

612
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,119
important for a healthy lawn as well as an unhealthy line.

613
00:32:05,039 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 1: To make all the difference.

614
00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if it should give, you should reset it

615
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,559
and hopefully that will work. You can also try for

616
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:15,319
using a sod putting down some pre emergent herbicide just

617
00:32:15,359 --> 00:32:18,599
in case there's any latent seed in the soil there

618
00:32:18,759 --> 00:32:22,079
to come back. But I think that you can get

619
00:32:22,119 --> 00:32:25,279
in control. But yeah, it is one of the toughest

620
00:32:25,359 --> 00:32:26,680
lawn weeds to have for sure.

621
00:32:26,839 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: Stacy real quickly. This is from Blair. My wife and

622
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,440
I are huge fans of the show. We just watched

623
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,759
Stacy show her own yard remodel on YouTube and she

624
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,880
mentioned Temple of Bloom seven sunflower in her future design.

625
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:41,119
We have two of them that are doing well on

626
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,519
the proven Winn site. The picture show it's more of

627
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:47,400
a tree than a shrub. How does one start turning

628
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:49,400
it into a multitrunk tree?

629
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 2: Right, So great question, Blair, and he sent two pictures

630
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:56,759
and they are gorgeous. There's are beautiful plans that you have,

631
00:32:57,799 --> 00:33:00,759
so those were great to see. The simple fact is

632
00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:04,599
that for multi stem trees, whether we're talking about hepticodium

633
00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,200
or a birch or a maple or anything like that,

634
00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:10,160
it depends primarily on how it was grown at the grower,

635
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:13,640
so it can be difficult to kind of try to

636
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:17,400
reset and get multi stems. Although because Temple of Bloom

637
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:19,480
is kind of half tree and half shrub, it does

638
00:33:19,519 --> 00:33:22,200
have some potential for that. So Blair, in looking at

639
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:25,680
your photos, I can see that these are definitely plants

640
00:33:25,720 --> 00:33:27,359
that if you want more of a tree like look,

641
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,240
will benefit from being limbed up a bit. So he

642
00:33:30,359 --> 00:33:32,799
pretty much has foliage going all the way to the base,

643
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:38,200
so I would identify where those smaller branches are and

644
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,400
I would cut them off. And winter is a perfect

645
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:43,000
time to do this because in winter your plant is

646
00:33:43,039 --> 00:33:46,240
stripped back to that basic structure, so it's very easy

647
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:49,720
to look at it critically and take out those lower stems.

648
00:33:49,759 --> 00:33:52,279
And you can easily take out any stems, you know,

649
00:33:52,319 --> 00:33:54,920
I would say from halfway up the plant down, really

650
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,839
depending on the look that you're going for. Don't worry

651
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:00,200
about doing that now. It's perfectly fine. You can wait

652
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,039
a little bit later if you want, but definitely do

653
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:05,279
that pruning while it's dormant and your plants are so healthy,

654
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,599
so happy, so vigorous. I don't think you really have

655
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,559
to worry about harming them or setting them back.

656
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 1: Some of the best pruning jobs are done in January,

657
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:15,679
and why not, what else are you gonna do in jail.

658
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,519
Speaker 2: It's true, you can put all of your energy into

659
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:20,440
it because you've got nothing else to worry about. So yeah,

660
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,119
definitely go ahead and do that pruning now and look

661
00:34:23,159 --> 00:34:26,559
forward to a more treelike temple of bloom this spring.

662
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:28,679
We're gonna take a riak when we come back. We've

663
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:31,239
got the one and only Tim Wood joining us for

664
00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:39,800
Branching News, so please stay tuned. The Gardening Simplified Show

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Gardening Simplified Show today for Branching News.

671
00:35:01,639 --> 00:35:04,400
This is really a privilege. We're going to get an

672
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:07,960
opportunity to talk to Tim Wood here. He's a horticulturist

673
00:35:08,039 --> 00:35:11,920
and strategic thinker who helps plant breeders and growers and

674
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:17,320
landscape designers and horticultural retailers like I was throughout my

675
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,880
life and consumers discover the value of new and better

676
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:26,440
problems solving woody plants. And you know, I myself, Stacy

677
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:30,559
personally have heard Tim talk about this being the golden

678
00:35:30,719 --> 00:35:34,039
age of plant breeding. Today we're talking about the twenty

679
00:35:34,159 --> 00:35:38,280
twenty five National Plants of the Year and it is

680
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,039
it's inspiring. Tim's love for plants and people has been

681
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:44,480
the foundation of building one of the most beloved and

682
00:35:44,599 --> 00:35:50,039
recognized home and garden brands, Proven Winners, Color Choice Shrubs,

683
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:52,679
and Tim it is it is a pleasure to have

684
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,039
you on the gardening simplified.

685
00:35:54,079 --> 00:35:55,679
Speaker 3: Joe, That's my pleasure as well.

686
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me looking forward to this and Stacy

687
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:04,039
with your diving in here. We were talking Tim about

688
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:07,920
the twenty twenty five plants of the year and I

689
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,920
got to just get this off my chest here so

690
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,599
that I know myself. The hydrange of the year, Little

691
00:36:14,639 --> 00:36:19,159
Lime Punch hydrange. We walked through the garden in late

692
00:36:19,199 --> 00:36:23,360
summer and I was just stunned by what a gorgeous

693
00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:27,880
plant that is. And I understand that you have been

694
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,360
the key person through the years from the start in

695
00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:37,000
establishing the names of plants here at Proven Winners, Color

696
00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:38,239
Choice Shrubs. Is that true?

697
00:36:38,400 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 3: That is true? For better or worse, That's true.

698
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 2: It's better.

699
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: It's fantastic. I think it's fantastic. And little Lime Punch

700
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,079
hydranges so Hawaiian punch. It gives you that feel of

701
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:54,280
Hawaiian punch. Takes me back when I was a kid.

702
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,280
I'm not going to ask you how old you are, Tim,

703
00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:59,800
because I'd have to reveal my age also, but I

704
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,480
remember those commercials as a kid. How would you like

705
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:06,480
a nice Hawaiian punch? Is? Are these the kind of

706
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:08,599
things you think about as you name these plants?

707
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 4: You know, that never crossed my mind when I name

708
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:16,760
that particular plant. Generally, you know, there's not many words

709
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,719
that describe reddish pink, so you can only say, you know,

710
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:25,159
lime like pinks or whatever the case might be. Whatever

711
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:28,000
the plant is, you can only say pink a few

712
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:31,199
different ways, and there's not really a lot of synonyms

713
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,920
or a lot of words in the thesaurus to go to.

714
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:38,679
So punch just brought did certainly did bring back memories

715
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:42,039
of you know, Hawaiian punch. And it describes a color

716
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:46,239
without actually saying a color, because when you say a color,

717
00:37:46,599 --> 00:37:49,599
people are always disappointed because the color varies so much

718
00:37:49,719 --> 00:37:52,519
depending on where you live. So if I said, you know,

719
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,320
dark pink, you know, someone in Atlanta might say, well,

720
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,760
that's a soft pink. And so there's you know, those

721
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,239
things to think about as well.

722
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,079
Speaker 1: Through the years developing these wonderful plants. You know, naming,

723
00:38:06,199 --> 00:38:07,960
I guess the reason I bring it up is because

724
00:38:08,039 --> 00:38:12,079
naming is an important part of the process. It needs

725
00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:16,679
to resonate with people, and I get the distinct feeling

726
00:38:16,800 --> 00:38:21,760
that you're you enjoy puns just as much as I

727
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,159
do when I see some of the names of proven

728
00:38:24,159 --> 00:38:25,480
winners color choice shrugs.

729
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:30,679
Speaker 4: I enjoy words, and I enjoy word play, and certainly

730
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,039
enjoy listening to your puns as well.

731
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:33,679
Speaker 1: Well.

732
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 2: I appreciate game recognizes game over, thank you very and

733
00:38:37,519 --> 00:38:39,599
of course classic rock and a lot of people have

734
00:38:39,679 --> 00:38:41,440
written to us on the show and said, like, Hey,

735
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,920
who's the classic rock fan naming all of these plants?

736
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:46,199
Speaker 1: Right?

737
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:49,199
Speaker 2: We got all sorts, you know, We've got leads up,

738
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,480
red Zeppelin and a Swan song. Yeah.

739
00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:54,320
Speaker 4: Obviously, I guess it dates me in some ways, but

740
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,199
I think that one of the things that I try

741
00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:01,559
to do at least is think about, obviously naming plants

742
00:39:01,559 --> 00:39:07,000
in a way that doesn't necessarily descriptively describe them, but

743
00:39:07,039 --> 00:39:10,239
at the same time gives people an idea of where

744
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,360
it's going to take you, you know, what emotions I want

745
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:19,800
people to feel. And you know, I go through a

746
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,079
long process when I do plant naming, and I don't

747
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:26,159
just go through classic rock songs. I'm going to go

748
00:39:26,199 --> 00:39:28,679
through whatever is popular, Like I look at the top

749
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:32,519
one hundred songs or something of and I'll go through

750
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:36,400
thirty years of top one hundred songs. So their songs

751
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,880
are a way that people relate, they have good memories

752
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,239
of them. And we want to have good memories with

753
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:46,840
our plants because people, you know, they have a relationship

754
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,800
with their plants when they love their plants.

755
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:50,599
Speaker 3: And you know, if you.

756
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:53,719
Speaker 4: Name a plant that's just like sounds like a plant name,

757
00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:56,119
you forget it too easily. If it's called a little

758
00:39:56,119 --> 00:39:59,639
Princess or Crimson Queen, you know, that just sounds like

759
00:39:59,679 --> 00:40:02,079
a plant name. So I'd rather come up with a

760
00:40:02,159 --> 00:40:05,079
name that people kind of think twice about and say,

761
00:40:05,159 --> 00:40:06,920
you know, what was that guy thinking about when he

762
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:10,760
named that plant, And something that evokes a memory, something

763
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:14,559
that is a little bit fun, and I think that

764
00:40:14,639 --> 00:40:16,400
keeps it all light and enjoyable.

765
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,920
Speaker 1: It goes beyond enjoyable. I think it's important. It's marketing genius.

766
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:22,960
I really do think so.

767
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:25,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Tim is so good at it, you know.

768
00:40:25,679 --> 00:40:27,280
I know when I started here, I was like, oh,

769
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:29,079
I can't wait to name plants. This is going to

770
00:40:29,159 --> 00:40:33,119
be so great. And the fact is it's extremely difficult,

771
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,119
you know, not only the golden age of plant breeding

772
00:40:35,159 --> 00:40:37,519
has also brought about the golden age of plant names.

773
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:40,519
So a lot of the good ones are taken, some

774
00:40:40,599 --> 00:40:43,320
of them by us, and so it can be really hard.

775
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,159
You know, you have the perfect name for a plant,

776
00:40:45,199 --> 00:40:47,320
only to find out that someone else has a trademark

777
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:50,280
on it, or you know that, oh, it also means this,

778
00:40:50,599 --> 00:40:52,840
and so it can be really challenging. You have to

779
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:57,360
have extremely thick skin to name plants these days, because

780
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:01,239
you know, and I think that the instinct is everyone

781
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:03,719
to find out what's wrong with the name first rather

782
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:07,199
than what's right with it. So it's not easy. But

783
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:11,159
in addition to plant names, Tim has actually been the

784
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:15,960
person who developed some of our most popular plants incredible hydrangea,

785
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:18,519
bloomerang lilac. Those are just like the top two that

786
00:41:18,599 --> 00:41:21,880
come to my head. You know. He was obviously instrumental

787
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:25,960
in introducing limelight limelight and wine and roses, but his

788
00:41:26,039 --> 00:41:28,360
own work has brought so many plants that have just

789
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:31,000
become you know, American standards in the garden.

790
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:36,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's fantastic. Your impact on the industry, Tim is amazing.

791
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,880
And if we can ask you about the twenty twenty

792
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,639
five National Plants of the Year. We're talking about them

793
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:45,440
today and get a little commentary from you. And let's

794
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,519
start with the flowering shrub of the Year, the Centaura

795
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,840
double blue lilac. Give us a comment on this plant.

796
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,039
Speaker 4: Yeah, lilacs are pretty interesting plants, and that they're very

797
00:41:57,079 --> 00:41:59,480
low maintenance and once you plant them in your garden

798
00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,960
usually they're going to be there for years and years.

799
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:06,719
And so I enjoy lilac, and of course people love fragrance,

800
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,360
and we've been kind of taking a different look at lilac.

801
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:16,320
And if you look at traditional lilacs that are on

802
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:19,559
the market, there's a couple of problems that we encounter.

803
00:42:19,679 --> 00:42:23,159
One is it takes them many years to bloom. So

804
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:25,239
you might go to a garden center and buy a

805
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:28,760
lilac and there's no flowers on it, and then even

806
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,159
after several years in the garden, you might only have

807
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:34,000
one or two flowers. And so the breeding that we're

808
00:42:34,039 --> 00:42:36,440
doing is actually trying to increase the amount of flowers

809
00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,480
you get at a young age, and then along with that,

810
00:42:39,559 --> 00:42:42,760
increase the number of branches, because the more branches you get,

811
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:43,199
the more.

812
00:42:43,079 --> 00:42:43,800
Speaker 3: Flowers you get.

813
00:42:44,639 --> 00:42:47,239
Speaker 4: So n disease resistance. Those are three of the main

814
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:48,239
things that we're looking for.

815
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,880
Speaker 1: Wow, that's fantastic. And Stacey, you and I were talking

816
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,599
about reminiscent rose. This thing's a beauty. I just I

817
00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:56,400
love reminiscent.

818
00:42:56,559 --> 00:42:59,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean all of the reminiscent roses are so pretty.

819
00:42:59,159 --> 00:43:02,000
This is the one that's definitely got the boldest color

820
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:06,480
of all of them. And I know when you were

821
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:09,440
looking at all of the roses from Phenogino in Serbia,

822
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,199
you know, I mean they've how many roses were you

823
00:43:12,199 --> 00:43:13,840
guys looking through in those fields?

824
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 4: Well, I think they put out maybe seventy thousand seedlings

825
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,960
a year, So that's a lot of roses.

826
00:43:21,679 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 2: To look at, a lot of roses.

827
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:29,199
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And it's a really quite interesting company.

828
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:30,119
Speaker 3: And there's not many.

829
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 4: Rose breeders that are putting out that many seedlings to

830
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:36,320
choose from, and so it's a really nice opportunity to

831
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,800
be able to go to a rose breeder at the

832
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:43,519
beginning stages and being able to see the whole picture

833
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,719
and then narrow it down and being able to select

834
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:49,960
a series as opposed to just one plant maybe a

835
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,000
smaller breeder. So I think it was pretty exciting to

836
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,719
meet the people at Pheno Geno Trout. We've traveled to

837
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,920
Serbia repeatedly. We go in the bring when the roses

838
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:03,559
look good, we go in the fall when roses don't

839
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:06,119
look their best, and then we bring the plants back

840
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:11,079
and we trial them very rigorously, I would say, ruthlessly,

841
00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:15,679
the way we trial roses to introduce a rose, I

842
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:20,119
mean we have to we go through hundreds of roses

843
00:44:20,119 --> 00:44:22,320
that have been pre selected by breeders just to find

844
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,800
one good rose. And this is really a nice plant.

845
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:28,559
I mean, I think the whole goal was for the

846
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:34,280
series of Reminiscent was to fined what a traditional iconic

847
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:38,000
rose looks like, but give it more of the modern

848
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:41,000
performance that we hope for. So we don't have to spray,

849
00:44:41,559 --> 00:44:42,920
we don't have to do a lot of work in

850
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,800
terms of taking care of it. They're on their own

851
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,119
roots so that you don't have to worry about where

852
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:50,960
to plant the graft and things like that. And so

853
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,239
I think these are really nice roses. They're not what

854
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:57,639
I would say. I think it's a good combination of

855
00:44:57,840 --> 00:44:59,559
all the qualities that people look for in.

856
00:44:59,519 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 2: A rose and what really stuck out to you when

857
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:05,519
you know you're looking at seventy thousand roses, how did

858
00:45:05,559 --> 00:45:08,679
this one kind of rise to the top for even

859
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,760
being you know, included for trialing once you got it

860
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:11,199
back here.

861
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,519
Speaker 4: Well, I think it's hard to find roses that are

862
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:18,880
fragrant and disease resistance, so those that combination is really

863
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:22,320
hard to come by and reblooming, so that really that

864
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:23,559
narrows it down greatly.

865
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 3: And this plant has all of those attributes.

866
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 2: And great color. I mean the color is eye popping

867
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:28,320
on this thing.

868
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 4: Great color, I mean, lots of pedals, good fragrance, it's

869
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:33,519
a nice plan.

870
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: We're talking to Tim Wood horticulturists here at Proven Winters

871
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,400
Color Choice Shrubs, and Tim, I have to ask you,

872
00:45:41,480 --> 00:45:43,800
like I said, and I sincerely mean that you have

873
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,440
been an inspiration through the years and your work. How

874
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,480
many have you ever sat down and calculated how many

875
00:45:50,559 --> 00:45:53,159
miles you've traveled in this work?

876
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:58,679
Speaker 4: Actually I was, I think traveling to England this year

877
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,000
and the steward came up to me and gave me

878
00:46:01,039 --> 00:46:03,159
a card and it said I hit my million miles.

879
00:46:03,159 --> 00:46:03,840
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

880
00:46:04,559 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 4: They gave me a nice little recognition on my airline

881
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,159
for traveling a million miles.

882
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:13,559
Speaker 3: So that's one accomplishment.

883
00:46:13,559 --> 00:46:16,599
Speaker 1: I guess that's fantastic. Yeah. We mentioned at the outset

884
00:46:16,679 --> 00:46:20,079
hydrange of the Year little lime punch. Any comment you

885
00:46:20,119 --> 00:46:21,599
want to make on little lime punch.

886
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:27,159
Speaker 4: The breeding on Hydrangea peniculata since the introduction of limelight

887
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:32,000
has been unbelievable. I know to a lot of people

888
00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,719
out there are Hydrangea. Limelight's probably a new plant to you,

889
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,679
but that's a plant that I found in the Netherlands

890
00:46:39,119 --> 00:46:43,360
probably twenty five years ago, and since that time there's

891
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:46,039
been really a lot of improvements made. I mean, limelight

892
00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:49,840
was a big improvement because previous to that we were

893
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:53,840
selling PG Hydrangea, which was quite floppy. It couldn't hold

894
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,719
its blooms up. It was a plant that had been

895
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,800
around for quite a long time and no improvements a

896
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:04,159
bit made. Limelight was really a vast improvement, not just

897
00:47:04,199 --> 00:47:06,000
because of the green color. A lot of people think

898
00:47:06,039 --> 00:47:10,599
the green color is breadtaking, but it's really It holds

899
00:47:10,639 --> 00:47:15,599
its blooms up and it doesn't flop over much. For

900
00:47:15,639 --> 00:47:19,119
the size of the blooms, it's quite remarkable. But we

901
00:47:19,199 --> 00:47:24,119
have much stronger blooming, stronger stemmed hydrangeas. Now we have

902
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,280
more colors available, we have more variety available, and so

903
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:34,039
little Lime Punch is probably a lot more like little Lime,

904
00:47:34,559 --> 00:47:37,519
you know, smaller in size, but it has really intense

905
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:41,599
coloration as the bloom age and the flowers are very

906
00:47:41,639 --> 00:47:45,159
dense as well, which is unique. I mean, it's very full.

907
00:47:45,760 --> 00:47:48,159
It almost feels like you're holding a football when you

908
00:47:48,199 --> 00:47:51,679
touch the blooms. And it's the plant that when we

909
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,679
do our trials, it's the one that our visitors all

910
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,239
put a flag into because that's their favorite plant. And

911
00:47:58,320 --> 00:48:00,679
whether it's in the garden or whether it's in the

912
00:48:00,719 --> 00:48:04,639
container over in our R and D area, whenever we

913
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:10,280
have clients visiting or other breeders visiting and they come through.

914
00:48:10,199 --> 00:48:11,880
Speaker 3: That's a plant that always got a flag.

915
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 4: Just a perfect form, perfect flowers and yeah, I don't

916
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,440
know if there's a better hydrange of piniculata out there.

917
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: Wow, that's some high praise indeed.

918
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really nice plant that was a developed by

919
00:48:25,639 --> 00:48:27,119
Megan Matthai, our breeder.

920
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,280
Speaker 2: Here, and you know, I think you know you developed

921
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,719
the original little lime correct and that was such a

922
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,079
groundbreaking plant because it was it really started this craze

923
00:48:36,119 --> 00:48:38,400
of smaller piniculators, you know, I mean, sure, there was

924
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:41,519
some small ish ones on the market before, but little

925
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:43,920
Lime was the first kind of like, wow, I can

926
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,679
actually grow this, it's not eight feet tall and wide

927
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:48,719
kind of paniculata that came on the market.

928
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:51,679
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the first dwarf that didn't flop over.

929
00:48:51,760 --> 00:48:53,840
I mean, there was a variety called pee Wee that,

930
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,760
you know, it was a terrible plant, and a few

931
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:01,440
other dwarf varieties, and you know, little Lime is still

932
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:05,599
one of the best selling hydranches in the world, and

933
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:07,760
I see it everywhere I go when I travel. But

934
00:49:08,199 --> 00:49:12,199
I think a Little Lime Punch even exceeds what you

935
00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:13,639
get with little limes.

936
00:49:13,639 --> 00:49:16,400
Speaker 3: So I mean, if you like limelight, you like you know,

937
00:49:16,440 --> 00:49:19,679
a little lime. I mean, you will not be disappointed

938
00:49:19,719 --> 00:49:20,719
with Little Lime Punch.

939
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 2: It is a really a unique plant. Every time I

940
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,360
see it, I'm just kind of blown away and I

941
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,639
can't resist squeezing the squeezing the flowers. And actually we

942
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:31,159
were joking about the vintage commercials that it's like squeezing

943
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the Sharman from the old Sharman commercials.

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Speaker 4: The thing I love about it, and a lot of

945
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the plants that I get to deal with, is they

946
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:42,480
make you feel something. You know, when you really see

947
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:45,519
a good plant and you have it in your yard

948
00:49:45,559 --> 00:49:47,800
and you get to see it after a hard day's work,

949
00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:51,800
it just changes your whole attitude. It puts a smile

950
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,199
on your face. It makes you happy, and it's like

951
00:49:55,440 --> 00:49:58,880
it's therapy. It's and it's the cheapest form of therapy.

952
00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:01,719
I mean, people sometimes can plain about the cost of plants,

953
00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,840
but you know, you can't get therapy for forty dollars,

954
00:50:05,960 --> 00:50:09,679
you know, for that's gonna last you twenty years or more. So,

955
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,800
I mean, you look at a day to day basis

956
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:14,000
of the cost of a plant in your yard, it's

957
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:17,000
it's a bargain because it just makes your life better.

958
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:21,000
It makes you happier and makes your house worth more money. So,

959
00:50:21,039 --> 00:50:24,119
I mean, there's so many benefits of growing plants. And

960
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,639
you know, I think that's the nice thing about this

961
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:28,800
business is we get to sell a product that people

962
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,559
like and it brings joy to people.

963
00:50:32,079 --> 00:50:36,159
Speaker 1: Wow, that's really well said, and yes, you've you've done

964
00:50:36,159 --> 00:50:39,239
that your entire career. Tim You're bringing those benefits to

965
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,440
people all over the world, and there's got to be

966
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:46,000
a tremendous amount of satisfaction to that. The Landscape Shove

967
00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:47,920
of the Year in North Pole Harborviding.

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Speaker 4: Any comment, Yeah, another good plant. This comes from Art Bau,

969
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:58,320
a plant breader from Minnesota. He's deceased since we got

970
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:00,639
the plant, but he was a plant breeder at North

971
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,679
Dakota State University and introduced some really good plants. And

972
00:51:05,679 --> 00:51:10,199
this is a I think, just an iconic looking arbravit,

973
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:14,360
a white ceedar. Some of you men may know Emerald arbrividing.

974
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:18,960
This is somewhat similar to it, probably more narrow, a

975
00:51:19,039 --> 00:51:23,559
little bit tighter, but the color is darker and richer, richer,

976
00:51:23,599 --> 00:51:27,239
and it just yeah, I think whenever you see it,

977
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:28,880
you can very easily pick it out.

978
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,159
Speaker 3: It looks great in the container. You can.

979
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 4: I have them on my deck at home because it

980
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:36,119
gives me a little extra privacy from my neighbors when

981
00:51:36,119 --> 00:51:40,800
I'm sitting out there. It's fast growing, and it's the

982
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,880
kind of plant you don't have to do anything to it.

983
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,280
I mean, I love I'm kind of a lazy gardener, Okay.

984
00:51:46,360 --> 00:51:48,719
I don't like weeding. I don't like mulching. I don't

985
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,760
you know. I do enjoy pruning, but it's nice to

986
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:53,119
have plants I don't have to prune, and this is

987
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:54,599
a plant you don't have to prune.

988
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 3: And I'm always looking.

989
00:51:56,039 --> 00:51:58,840
Speaker 4: For plants that, you know, require less maintenance, that are

990
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,880
easier to grow. I want Peace to be successful. And

991
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:05,920
North Pole is just a perfect narrow arbravity. It's not

992
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,559
going to take up your whole yard if you want

993
00:52:07,599 --> 00:52:10,639
them screen off your neighbors. It's very narrow and just

994
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,119
very pleasant to look at. And when you do use it,

995
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:15,280
don't always just put it in a straight row. Like

996
00:52:15,320 --> 00:52:16,800
you know, you don't go out in nature and see

997
00:52:16,840 --> 00:52:19,760
plants in a straight row. So I mean put them

998
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:22,920
in little groups of three and you know, triangle shape

999
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,559
so that it looks a little more natural, and then

1000
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:28,559
space them a little bit. You know, you don't have

1001
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:34,840
to hide every inch of the you know, your neighbors yard.

1002
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 1: You just need to get rid of hide.

1003
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:40,280
Speaker 4: The ugly parts of the yard right and give you

1004
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,320
that privacy. So there's lots of creative ways to use

1005
00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,280
the plants, and you don't have to necessarily make it

1006
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,400
look like every straight line arbravided hadgy out there.

1007
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: I think it's interesting that you say that, because I

1008
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:54,079
love that look, you know, where there's kind of like

1009
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:56,920
a little family of plants. And one trick that I

1010
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,679
think that people should employ more when they do that

1011
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,920
is getting them at different sizes, you know, getting one

1012
00:53:03,079 --> 00:53:06,119
and two three gallons for example, And that really does

1013
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:07,880
kind of go for more of that natural look where

1014
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,400
it's like one is the offspring of the more established

1015
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:11,280
plants in the garden.

1016
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:16,519
Speaker 4: Excellent observation. And I think that's I have that in

1017
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:19,880
my yard with my plants as well. On the north pole.

1018
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:22,239
I had some plants on extra plants on my deck

1019
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:24,639
that I didn't eat, so I ended up planning one

1020
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,840
out into the yard with the others. And so it

1021
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:30,239
gives you a different height, makes it more interesting, makes

1022
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:33,280
it look more like nature, and nature's a you can

1023
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,800
never go wrong by copying nature. I mean it's the

1024
00:53:36,199 --> 00:53:39,280
normally the best landscaping ideas you can get.

1025
00:53:39,639 --> 00:53:40,280
Speaker 2: It's for sure.

1026
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: That's fantastic. Well, I wanted to ask you, Tim, twenty

1027
00:53:44,519 --> 00:53:47,440
twenty five, Happy new year to you, and what are

1028
00:53:47,480 --> 00:53:51,960
you most excited about in this year twenty twenty five?

1029
00:53:52,039 --> 00:53:55,400
If you I'm going to ask you two unfair questions.

1030
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,519
I'm going to ask you that question, and then I'm

1031
00:53:57,559 --> 00:53:59,519
going to ask you a question. A person with the

1032
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:03,360
experience as that you have whether or not you have

1033
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:06,480
a favorite plant. And I know that's a very unfair

1034
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:09,239
question to ask, but let's start with twenty twenty five.

1035
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:12,320
What are you most excited about coming up in twenty

1036
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:15,159
twenty five? If you had to pick one thing.

1037
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:21,119
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I can't really pick one thing. That's

1038
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:23,760
that's like asking, you know, to pick your favorite child,

1039
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,559
and you.

1040
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:28,079
Speaker 3: Just can't do it. I mean, I told you, yeah,

1041
00:54:28,159 --> 00:54:31,400
it's totally unfair. I mean, there's there's every year.

1042
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 4: I mean, that's one of the more commonly asked questions

1043
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:39,519
that I do get. We're looking at thousands of plants,

1044
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,360
and we go out to our R and D house

1045
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,039
on a weekly basis, and we're looking at thousands of

1046
00:54:46,800 --> 00:54:50,599
selections out there from different plant readers, and it's hard

1047
00:54:50,599 --> 00:54:52,559
to keep them all straight. You know, if I didn't

1048
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:55,239
take notes and take pictures of plants and file them,

1049
00:54:55,559 --> 00:54:58,239
I wouldn't hardly remember even though there's a lot of

1050
00:54:58,239 --> 00:55:00,719
great plants, same thing out in the field, same thing

1051
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:03,199
out in the garden. You know, we're looking at so

1052
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:07,400
many different plants and and comparing them against the plants

1053
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,559
that are being sold. Make sure that they're better. But

1054
00:55:10,599 --> 00:55:13,280
there's so many exciting things going on. Like you said,

1055
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,639
it's the golden age of plant breeding. Plant breeders around

1056
00:55:17,679 --> 00:55:21,800
the world have been bringing us really great stuff, and

1057
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:25,719
so it's hard to keep track of what will be

1058
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:28,360
introduced next year, the year beyond, the year beyond that,

1059
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:31,920
and and even some of the things. You know, I'm

1060
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,639
getting older, and it's even getting hard to remember all

1061
00:55:34,679 --> 00:55:37,880
the plants that we have in the catalog. So it's

1062
00:55:38,280 --> 00:55:40,360
it's a lot to keep track of. But you know,

1063
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:45,400
I have to love a plant to really get it

1064
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:48,639
in the catalog and and and put it under the

1065
00:55:48,639 --> 00:55:49,559
proven Winner's brand.

1066
00:55:49,559 --> 00:55:53,599
Speaker 3: I mean, there's a brand is more than just like

1067
00:55:53,639 --> 00:55:54,119
a logo.

1068
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:57,199
Speaker 4: It's it's the relationship that we have with our customers

1069
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:00,159
and the experience that they have, and I want to

1070
00:56:00,159 --> 00:56:01,639
to have the same experience that I have.

1071
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:05,559
Speaker 1: I think that's a fantastic answer to that question, for sure.

1072
00:56:05,639 --> 00:56:08,960
I mean, you nailed it that. That makes a lot

1073
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,400
of sense to me. And I'm certainly excited about twenty

1074
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,320
twenty five in the plant material that's coming down.

1075
00:56:15,480 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 2: Oh, there's so much great stuff. I mean, I can't

1076
00:56:17,800 --> 00:56:19,559
remember it all either. Because you also have to keep

1077
00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:22,159
in mind that for us on this end of things,

1078
00:56:22,559 --> 00:56:24,320
these were plants that were new to us like two

1079
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,079
years ago. So trying to think of what's going to

1080
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,119
be new at the garden centers requires a lot of

1081
00:56:30,199 --> 00:56:32,920
mental We often find ourselves what year is it again?

1082
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:36,159
Speaker 4: That's why I keep like four years worth of catalogs

1083
00:56:36,199 --> 00:56:37,440
on my desk.

1084
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:39,320
Speaker 3: I can always refer back.

1085
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,039
Speaker 1: Tim. There's so many people who are enjoying beautiful plants

1086
00:56:43,039 --> 00:56:45,280
in their yards because of you, And thank you so

1087
00:56:45,400 --> 00:56:49,480
much for everything you've done in the industry. Certainly appreciate

1088
00:56:49,519 --> 00:56:52,679
it and looking forward to twenty twenty five, it's been

1089
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:54,840
a privilege to have you on the show here today.

1090
00:56:55,039 --> 00:56:57,239
Speaker 4: Well, I appreciate being on the show. I appreciate all

1091
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,960
the good information that you're getting people and making guard

1092
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:02,719
being more enjoyable and more simplified.

1093
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:06,599
Speaker 2: That's what we try to do. Thanks too, well, that

1094
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,119
was an amazing conversation with someone who I think it's

1095
00:57:10,159 --> 00:57:14,519
hard to overstate the influence he's had on not just

1096
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:17,320
the Proven Winner's Color Choice brand, but on horticulture in

1097
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:20,440
America over the last thirty years in general. So a

1098
00:57:20,519 --> 00:57:23,119
privilege to have Tim with us today, a privilege to

1099
00:57:23,159 --> 00:57:25,719
work with you, Rick and Adriana, and a privilege to

1100
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:27,760
have you as our audience. Thank you so much for listening.

1101
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,079
We hope you have a wonderful week ahead.