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<v Speaker 1>The disclaimer to the fair season Karen's out there, Oh

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<v Speaker 2>Can you talk about extreme?

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<v Speaker 1>What is happening and what is up? Hold out your

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<v Speaker 2>Up torches high, you know, look at it from a

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<v Speaker 2>different perspective, different perspective, different perspective.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, guys, what is happening and what is up? Hold

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<v Speaker 1>out your glass because we are about to feel it.

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to to Meethius Lyn's podcast, the place where the

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<v Speaker 1>I got another banger for you. This is a returning guest.

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<v Speaker 1>I've developed a friendship with this guy over the past

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<v Speaker 1>three or four years podcasting, and we've talked to everything

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<v Speaker 1>from giants to following angel tech. You've probably seen him

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<v Speaker 1>on a View from the Bucker with Derek Gilbert and

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<v Speaker 1>jud Burton and Doug Van Dorn so of our other

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<v Speaker 1>favorites of this show. But I'd like to welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to the show, Brian. Good day of Brian. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>coming along, man.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for having me again.

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<v Speaker 1>Doc Brown, that's right, gotta embrace it. You gotta embrace it.

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<v Speaker 2>Where's your DeLorean?

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<v Speaker 1>I know that that actually started with Steve. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>two or three years ago when we first started doing

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<v Speaker 1>the dig Bible podcast and I was just had all

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<v Speaker 1>my notes and stuff and trying to be all professional

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<v Speaker 1>mister factoid, and he was like Doc Brown over here,

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<v Speaker 1>and it just kind of stuck. I'm like, yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I like that. I'm gonna start spiking my hair up

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<v Speaker 1>and I love it.

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<v Speaker 2>Man. I heard they're working on a new Back to

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<v Speaker 2>the Future movie. I think, oh, yeah, I believe it

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<v Speaker 2>or not. Yeah, but I have no idea what it's about.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean that would be crazy because they've covered

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<v Speaker 1>all the timelines. You think, yeah, they're gonna go way

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<v Speaker 1>into the future, or they're gonna be writing dinosaurs because

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<v Speaker 1>they went to the wild West.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, like maybe they'll still be in the

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<v Speaker 2>eighties and then they'll come to the present or something.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you know, yeah, because that's forty years later, right.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, Well, Brian, just for those that maybe it's

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<v Speaker 1>just tunany in are maybe not familiar with you, just

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<v Speaker 1>give everybody a feel a background of who Brian Goadali

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<v Speaker 1>is and what it is that you do. Brother.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I am a author of mostly biblical novels that

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<v Speaker 2>deal with the supernatural, and they're basically retelling Bible stories

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<v Speaker 2>but adding the or not adding, but sort of pulling

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<v Speaker 2>back the veil on the supernatural world and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>speculating somewhat on what might it look like during these

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<v Speaker 2>what might look like in the spiritual realm during these

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<v Speaker 2>historical events in the Bible and such. And of course,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we do know, we already do know. Bible's

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<v Speaker 2>revealed some obvious spiritual warfare and stuff that's in the Bible.

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<v Speaker 2>But the particular paradigm that I'm working from is what

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<v Speaker 2>I call the watcher paradigm, and that is in the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible that you know, in it's rough form, it's the

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<v Speaker 2>notion that and you can see this in Deuteronomy thirty two,

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<v Speaker 2>verses eight through ten in its basic form that basically,

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<v Speaker 2>at the Tower of Babble, when man had worshiped himself

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<v Speaker 2>and and gods other than Yahweh, they built the tower

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<v Speaker 2>and right, and they try to deify themselves. And then

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<v Speaker 2>God split that split the languages right, and he he

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<v Speaker 2>know ten talks about like seventy nations basically. But there's

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<v Speaker 2>something unique that Deuteronomy thirty two talks about. That is,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's in Psalm eighty two in other places as well,

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<v Speaker 2>that God places the gentile nations that have you know,

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<v Speaker 2>under the authority of these heavenly sons of God that

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<v Speaker 2>are that could that could be called watchers, right, meaning

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<v Speaker 2>they watch over the nations. And the idea there is

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<v Speaker 2>that is that over there are spiritual principalities or powers

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<v Speaker 2>in heaven. Thus we get some of these passages in

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible that refer to that, but we don't get

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of detail.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that idea is very fascinating because then God says,

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<v Speaker 2>but I will be the god over Jacob, and Israel

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<v Speaker 2>will be my land, you know, the Canaan will be

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<v Speaker 2>my territory, my nation.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so He's going into this world of all these

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<v Speaker 2>gentile nations who hate him, and He's going to shine

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<v Speaker 2>his light through his people, right, And so what does

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<v Speaker 2>that mean? You know, this notion of these spiritual beings,

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<v Speaker 2>these divine beings that in effect, the Bible calls gods

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<v Speaker 2>by the word the Hebrew word eloheme right, And what

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<v Speaker 2>my Bible series, the several series are called. The first

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<v Speaker 2>one's called Chronicles of the Nepheline, then Chronicles of the Watchers,

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<v Speaker 2>and Chronicles of the Apocalypse. And I'm currently just released

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<v Speaker 2>a new book in Chronicles of the Watchers, and all

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<v Speaker 2>the series deal with the same concept that I just

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<v Speaker 2>talked about, and Chronicles of the Watchers is sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like filling in some of the holes some of the

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<v Speaker 2>stories that I didn't get to when I wrote. Their

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<v Speaker 2>first series, Chronicles of the Nepheline starts with Noah Primeval,

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<v Speaker 2>goes to Enoch, primordial Abraham, David, you know, Joshua Caleb. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>Chronicles of the Watchers was some stories that I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>get to, And so I've got Moses against the Gods

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<v Speaker 2>of Egypt, Jezebel Harlot, Queen of Israel. And my most

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<v Speaker 2>recent novel is called Judah Maccabee, and it's if you know,

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<v Speaker 2>if your listeners are Christians or Jews, they'll wreckyes, that

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<v Speaker 2>not as being part of Scripture, but as being part

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<v Speaker 2>of the Apocrypha. Right, And so that's an interesting controversial statement.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm retelling the story of the Maccabees that is in

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<v Speaker 2>the in the book of the Apocrypha, or not the book.

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<v Speaker 2>It's in the the you know, what we call the apocrypha.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, there's been heated debate throughout the history

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<v Speaker 2>of the Church. Is the apocryph of scripture or not.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't believe it is, but I also agree with

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<v Speaker 2>the scholarship of you know, the Church from the early

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<v Speaker 2>Church fathers up and through the Reformation and beyond that

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<v Speaker 2>all respected the apocrypha, even if they didn't consider them scripture.

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<v Speaker 2>So they considered, for instance, the Book of Maccabees. There's

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<v Speaker 2>four books of Maccabees, but two first and Second Maccabees

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<v Speaker 2>they consider to be a helpful historical instruction and for

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual and wisdom as well. Right, So you know, it's

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<v Speaker 2>it's not scripture, but it's connected to scripture because it

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<v Speaker 2>is still part of the Jewish history that that is

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<v Speaker 2>not in the Bible. And that's where this becomes very interesting.

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<v Speaker 2>So I've been telling these stories but about the Bible,

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<v Speaker 2>but there's a time period between the Old and New

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<v Speaker 2>Testaments where they call the four hundred years of Silence.

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<v Speaker 2>What does that mean? Well, that means that God basically

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<v Speaker 2>stopped talking to Israel through his prophets, no prophets from

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<v Speaker 2>the end of Malachi around four hundred BC, all the

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<v Speaker 2>way up until Jesus the Messiah. And during that time period,

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<v Speaker 2>Well what's that about, right, And you know there's more

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<v Speaker 2>factors that are part of that, But the main idea

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<v Speaker 2>there is that around five eighty six PC, when Jews

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<v Speaker 2>went into exile into Babylon because of their idolatry against Yahweh,

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<v Speaker 2>God destroyed the Temple and the city of Jerusalem as

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<v Speaker 2>punishment for Israel's continued idolatry, like an unfaithful wife committing

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<v Speaker 2>adultery with other gods. So the idea there is that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he said seventy years you'll be in exile,

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<v Speaker 2>and they did come back after seven years, but and

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<v Speaker 2>the temple was rebuilt. But the problem is is Daniel

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<v Speaker 2>then comes along as a profit while they're in the exile,

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<v Speaker 2>and he says, look, Israel is still not repenting, still

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<v Speaker 2>worshiping idols. So I'm going to multiply that punishment seventy

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<v Speaker 2>times seven, so seventy years time seven is four hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and ninety years. And this from this we get the Daniels,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, chapter nine, the famous seventy weeks prophecy. But

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<v Speaker 2>the idea there is is that there's going to be

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<v Speaker 2>Israel will be under God's condemnation or judgment until Messiah comes.

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<v Speaker 2>And then Daniel talks about these four kingdoms, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>repetitiously over and over again, the Babylonians, the four kingdoms

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<v Speaker 2>through history who will be appressing or ruling over Israel

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<v Speaker 2>again because of her unfaithfulness to Yahweh. They will be

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<v Speaker 2>under the yoke of either s slavery or oppression of

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<v Speaker 2>these foreign nations. And Daniel lists them out as being

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<v Speaker 2>first the Babylonian Kingdom under Nebuconezer, followed by the Medo

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<v Speaker 2>Persian Kingdom under Cyrus and others, and then the Greek

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<v Speaker 2>Kingdom which began with Alexander the Great and that became

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<v Speaker 2>that split up in four other kingdoms, and then ultimately

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<v Speaker 2>the ancient Roman Kingdom under which then Messiah would come.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's what Daniel's all about about, how Israel would

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<v Speaker 2>be under that oppression until Messiah comes to free them.

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<v Speaker 2>And I say all that because in the meantime, God

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<v Speaker 2>stops talking around four hundred b C. And Malachi says,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, now the next prophet will be Elijah will

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<v Speaker 2>be returning and to announce the coming of the Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>And that of course was Jesus, and Elijah, Jesus said,

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<v Speaker 2>John the Baptist was Elijah. That was spoken of. So

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<v Speaker 2>but this is fascinating because what's going on in this

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<v Speaker 2>time period. Well, Israel's still around and things are going on.

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<v Speaker 2>But God is God is giving a description of the

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<v Speaker 2>events that are going to occur, some of the events

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<v Speaker 2>that will occur over these four hundred years. And this

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<v Speaker 2>is what Daniel talks about, and Daniel specifically at one point,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of details in Daniel eleven. He goes

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<v Speaker 2>into extreme detail about the wars of the Greek kingdoms

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<v Speaker 2>under which this story of the Maccabees occurs. And at

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<v Speaker 2>that time in the you know, around one hundred you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the story, my story of Judah MacCabe takes place around

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<v Speaker 2>one sixty eight PC. That's when it begins. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>basically following the first story that's in the books of

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<v Speaker 2>the Maccabees. And it's a very famous story because it's

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<v Speaker 2>the origin of Hanukkah. And you know, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>feast that actually is not commanded in the Bible, but

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<v Speaker 2>historically Jews had had celebrated it. Why because it was

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<v Speaker 2>one key moment in the history of Israel that was

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<v Speaker 2>relevant to God. Because it was a time where the

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<v Speaker 2>gentile king and and ultimately the Jews would would overthrow

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<v Speaker 2>high priesthood, the sacrifices, the whole system of cleanliness and

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<v Speaker 2>such that God covenants with Israel is embodied in that temple. So, yeah, exactly, the.

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<v Speaker 1>Whole symbology of Eden, the holiest of holies, behind the

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly, so you know, there's a lot of this

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<v Speaker 2>And here's the rough storyline is that there in this

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<v Speaker 2>to wane. But and it's split up into multiple regions, right,

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<v Speaker 2>and the two dominant ones are Selucia or the Seleucid Kingdom,

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<v Speaker 2>And they're the ones who get back batter back and

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<v Speaker 2>forth because the Seleucids and the Ptolemys were both for

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<v Speaker 2>like a hundred years. They were battling for control of

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<v Speaker 2>the region. And they're both Greek kingdoms, right, so that

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<v Speaker 2>marks that Greek kingdom that Daniel was talking about. But

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<v Speaker 2>then in the in the middle of the storyline and

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<v Speaker 2>Daniel eleven and other places as well, Daniel a, there's

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<v Speaker 2>this focus on this crucial event that's called the the

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<v Speaker 2>the what what what is he called the there's a

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<v Speaker 2>despicable one or a abominable one or something like that.

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<v Speaker 2>king of the Seleucid kingdom in this day, day and age,

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<v Speaker 2>and his name is Antiochus Epiphanes and Tikas the fourth specifically,

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<v Speaker 2>Rome steps in and says, no, you're not going to

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<v Speaker 2>Egypt at the same time, and he realizes he doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have the power. But in the meantime, on the way back,

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<v Speaker 2>he has to go through Israel to get back to Syria,

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<v Speaker 2>which is where his kingdom is. You know, his capital

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<v Speaker 2>of his kingdom is actually in Antioch, and which of

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<v Speaker 2>course historically that becomes a very famous city as well.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the meantime he hears about the Jews are

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<v Speaker 2>revolting in Jerusalem, and he gets ticked off because he thinks, like,

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<v Speaker 2>vaulting against me. But what he didn't realize was that

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<v Speaker 2>they were actually engaged in a civil war. There are

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<v Speaker 2>two high priests who were battling over control of the

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<v Speaker 2>nation because at that time there's no king because they

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<v Speaker 2>have to submit to the Kingdom of Seleucia. But but

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<v Speaker 2>the High Priest had become the the reigning sort of

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<v Speaker 1>And there are two and Sadducees, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Ultimately the Pharisees.

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<v Speaker 1>Conservative liberals.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, well they came out of this. They came out

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<v Speaker 2>of this. They didn't they didn't exist yet, but they

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<v Speaker 2>would come out of this this storyline, right, And so

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<v Speaker 2>there you know, there's two priests, Menilaeus who is the

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<v Speaker 2>current High priest and Jason, who was the previous High priest.

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<v Speaker 2>Menilaius had usurped him by bribing the king and basically

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<v Speaker 2>winning the high priesthood. Well, anyway, when King and besieges Jerusalem,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Menelais welcomes in with open arms because he's

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<v Speaker 2>a gorilla army. But what happens is the king is

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<v Speaker 2>so is so angered at the Jews that he decides

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<v Speaker 2>to to force them to give up their special, unique,

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<v Speaker 2>unique religious covenant. For instance, you can't get you cannot

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<v Speaker 2>get circumcised. You know, you cannot eat your special foods

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff. You have to eat, all the normal foods,

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<v Speaker 2>you have to sacrifice to Zeus, right, And what happens

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<v Speaker 2>covenant with God. Right. But more importantly, or not more importantly,

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<v Speaker 2>but importantly, he also sets up an image of Zeus

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<v Speaker 2>in the Holy Temple, and he forces Jews to sacrifice

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<v Speaker 2>pigs and you know, eat pig meat and all this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff, which is just the ultimate violation. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what the Book of Daniel refers to and

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<v Speaker 2>talks about in chapter eight and chapter eleven, the abomination

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<v Speaker 2>of desolation. What that word means is it's an image

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<v Speaker 2>of a false God who that whose image is abominable

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<v Speaker 2>to Yahweh. But also it creates desolation, spiritual desolation. Imagine

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<v Speaker 2>like a desert. Imagine. Desolation means God's withdrawing because he

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<v Speaker 2>won't be in the presence of idols, right, that makes sense,

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<v Speaker 2>And so abomination of desolation and the King sets that up.

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<v Speaker 2>And what happens is some of the Jews accept it.

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<v Speaker 2>Why because the whole world at that time, the whole

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<v Speaker 2>you know, near eastern world, had become Hellenized thanks to

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<v Speaker 2>Alexander the Greek in like three hundred BC. He had

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<v Speaker 2>conquered the known world and everyone was forced to speak

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<v Speaker 2>Greek and everyone was, you know, basically encouraged to adopt

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<v Speaker 2>Greek culture. And that's called Hellenization, right. Well, the Jews

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<v Speaker 2>were allowed to well they had to speak Greek, and

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<v Speaker 2>they had built some Greek gymnasiums and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 2>But they were allowed their special dispensation to.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, to to.

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<v Speaker 2>Continue their own special you know, rules and regulations. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>now that that's caput, and he says, basically, you have

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<v Speaker 2>to become Hellenized like everyone else and start worshiping y

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<v Speaker 2>Awe or hiahwe start worshiping Zeus and and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>eat pork, eat all these bad meats. You're not supposed

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<v Speaker 1>Rights from this co mingling, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they know they were in the middle of it.

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<v Speaker 2>They were in the middle of it because Sa Mario

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<v Speaker 2>already did exist and they had their own temple by

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<v Speaker 2>this time as well. But but what happens is the

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<v Speaker 2>Jews who refuse, a lot of them get martyred. And

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<v Speaker 2>the Books of the Maccabees describes this these this martyrdom

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<v Speaker 2>particularly it focuses in on a woman and her seven sons,

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<v Speaker 2>and it described his gruesome tortures that they went through

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<v Speaker 2>because they would not renounce their faith or eat pork.

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<v Speaker 2>It was sort of like, you know, the symbol was

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<v Speaker 2>boiled down to one image. Just eat this pork and

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<v Speaker 2>I'll let you go. But if you don't, aren't going

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<v Speaker 2>to torch you and kill you, right, And so it's

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<v Speaker 2>a very famous passages in all the books, and the

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<v Speaker 2>Maccabees they describe them in different ways. But that martyrdom

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<v Speaker 2>then becomes the inspiration for other Jews to rise up

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<v Speaker 2>in revolt against the king. And they begin led by

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<v Speaker 2>a man named Mattathiah Mattathias and his force of five sons,

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<v Speaker 2>and Mattithiah one of those sons. His name is Judas

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<v Speaker 2>the Maccabeus. That's the Greek version, but the Hebrew version

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<v Speaker 2>of his name would be Judah Maccabee. And for lack

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, for lack of better more precise detail,

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<v Speaker 2>the Maccabee is like a nickname that means the hammer,

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<v Speaker 2>like the hammer of God, right, because he became a

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<v Speaker 2>gorilla lee. But so Mattifi and his sons and some

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<v Speaker 2>other men in their village rise up because they're a

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<v Speaker 2>priestly family, a priesthood family, and they rise up and

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<v Speaker 2>they kill a bunch of Greek soldiers who are trying

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<v Speaker 2>to force them to sacrifice the Zeus. Well, that means

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<v Speaker 2>they're going to be wanted men. So they escape into

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<v Speaker 2>the wilderness and they become a small gorilla army, and

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<v Speaker 2>ultimately Matifia dies and Judah, his son, ends up one

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<v Speaker 2>of his five sons, ends up leading that gorilla army,

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<v Speaker 2>and he is the one who ends up attacking the

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<v Speaker 2>Greek forces in guerrilla warfare until they build a larger

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<v Speaker 2>army to the point where in three years they get

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<v Speaker 2>ten over ten thousand men in their army. Right, and

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<v Speaker 2>then that's where they get enough numbers to be more

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<v Speaker 2>than a gorilla fight, but they could actually go to Jerusalem,

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<v Speaker 2>win it back, kick the Greeks out, and they cleanse

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<v Speaker 2>the temple and return it back to its holiness, right,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, get rid of the abomination of desolation, et cetera.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's where the story of Hanuk comes from, because

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<v Speaker 2>the rededication of the holiness of the temple is that

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<v Speaker 2>is that festival of what it's all about. And so

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<v Speaker 2>that's the story that's the first story in the Maccabees,

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<v Speaker 2>and there were other wars that continued on after that.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's the story I'm retelling in in this new

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<v Speaker 2>novel set called Judah Maccabee Parts one and two. There's

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<v Speaker 2>two two novels actually, and so yeah, so that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>the sort of the big story. But the other component

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<v Speaker 2>is that spiritual warfare element that's unique in all of

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<v Speaker 2>my stories that I bring in this notion of these

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<v Speaker 2>these spiritual powers over the nations, and you know, rooted

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<v Speaker 2>in the Biblical concept of these these watchers who are

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<v Speaker 2>appointed allotted these gentile nations, and they're not good guys.

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<v Speaker 2>They're they're these they're watchers are bad guys, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>fallen angels basically. So but what happens is, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>remember how I said that the whatever happens on earth,

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<v Speaker 2>that happens in heaven. So all the historical events have

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<v Speaker 2>corresponding spiritual warfare components going on. So, for example, when

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<v Speaker 2>the king of Greece, now, who are the gods of Greece?

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<v Speaker 2>The one thing I didn't mention was my premise here

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<v Speaker 2>is that what if the gods of the ancient world,

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<v Speaker 2>like Zeus and Greece and raw and Horace in Egypt

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<v Speaker 2>and Bale and Canaan. What if those gods were actually

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<v Speaker 2>expressions of actual demonic beings who existed, and they were

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<v Speaker 2>masquerading as these gods and the nations because they were

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<v Speaker 2>these fallen watchers who were authorities over the nations. So

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<v Speaker 2>there's that, maybe not a one to one correspondence, but

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<v Speaker 2>certainly the idea of these gods that the nations are

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<v Speaker 2>worshiping are actually these fallen angels. And that's the premise

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<v Speaker 2>of my storyline. So when the Greek king who has

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<v Speaker 2>Zeus and Hera and Apollo, when he goes and invades Egypt,

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<v Speaker 2>you've got the king down in Egypt and the gods

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<v Speaker 2>down there are Horus, right isis you know sec met

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<v Speaker 2>all these you know set all these these gods. Well

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<v Speaker 2>there there's also a confrontation between those gods because there's

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<v Speaker 2>a confrontation in Earth. So I have storylines that are similar,

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<v Speaker 2>but of course within them, I also make, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>have like an it's it's sort of like imagine game, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but imagine like mafia gangs at war with one another. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>they're all against the cops, they're all against yahweh. But

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<v Speaker 2>they're also jockeying for power and fighting amongst themselves, trying

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<v Speaker 2>to become the boss.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>And so when when you know, the Greek king overthrows

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<v Speaker 2>Syria and sets up and overthrows Canaan, well, the gods

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<v Speaker 2>of Canaan, like Baal and Astra, they have to now

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<v Speaker 2>submit to those Greek gods because that nation is now

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<v Speaker 2>over the other nations. So their authorities are over those authorities,

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<v Speaker 2>if that makes sense. You know, sometimes they may imprison them,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes they may make them their slaves or whatever. But

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<v Speaker 2>the idea there is that I'm building an interesting storyline,

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<v Speaker 2>and at the same time, I'm sort of trying to

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<v Speaker 2>incorporate a lot of the ancient mythology, the Greek mythology

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<v Speaker 2>for the Greeks, the Egyptian mythology for the Egyptians, into

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<v Speaker 2>the story of those gods and goddesses and basically the

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<v Speaker 2>fallen angels in a way that will sort of educate

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<v Speaker 2>people on their worldview of that day. It's not just

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<v Speaker 2>a made up story, but it's based on their ancient mythology.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's how I work together all these things into

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<v Speaker 2>this one massive storyline that we call judahmaccabee.

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<v Speaker 1>ten percent off story wide. Yeah, I mean, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>very biblically based. You know, for some people that are

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<v Speaker 1>not well versed and hear that can kind of recoil

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<v Speaker 1>or turn their nose up. You know, look at the

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<v Speaker 1>story of the condemnation of the King of Tire. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>all of us are universal in our thought that all

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<v Speaker 1>of a sudden it changes. He's no longer talking to

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<v Speaker 1>this king. He's talking to this spiritual entity behind the king,

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, it says, you know, you were perfect

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<v Speaker 1>in all your ways until iniquity was found and you

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<v Speaker 1>you were anointed guardian Cherub in the garden amongst the stones,

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<v Speaker 1>the fire you walked. I mean, yeah, clearly it's not

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<v Speaker 1>talking to this this king anymore. It's talking to the

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<v Speaker 1>entity behind him pulling the strings.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a lot there's a lot of passages that

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<v Speaker 2>you know, infer or you know, imply this this concept,

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<v Speaker 2>and some of them are more explicit than others. So yeah, this,

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<v Speaker 2>this is this is a notion that of course Michael

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<v Speaker 2>Heiser is the evangelical theologian who is sort of I

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<v Speaker 2>think opened the open the doorway for a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>us to to be able to walk through and explore

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<v Speaker 2>in a way that hadn't been done before. And sadly

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<v Speaker 2>he's he's passed away. But but yeah, I think it

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<v Speaker 2>is a view that a lot of evangelical Christians at

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<v Speaker 2>first of a very hard time with because it sounds

487
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<v Speaker 2>almost polytheistic, right, Yeah, and that's not what we're saying,

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<v Speaker 2>because it's Biblical Monotheism is not polytheism. But the Bible

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<v Speaker 2>does talk about these fallen angels, and we're using the

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<v Speaker 2>term elohem or God's right. So the way you can

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<v Speaker 2>understand it is, Okay, they're not God's like yahweh is God.

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<v Speaker 2>They're more like fallen angels or heavenly authorities that God

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<v Speaker 2>creates and a points, but they're falling, right, and.

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<v Speaker 1>So there's God.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, that's a way that that you can you can

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<v Speaker 2>see it masquerading as the gods of the nations.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, but I mean, I'm encouraged that I think a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of Christians now get this and they understand it,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's not offensive to them, and they're able to

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<v Speaker 2>enjoy it, and you know, actually see the Bible in

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<v Speaker 2>a fresh way because while I am writing some fiction,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm incorporating some fiction in between the lines. I'm starting

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<v Speaker 2>to trying to stay true to the history and to

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<v Speaker 2>the biblical facts of these stories, because my goal is

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<v Speaker 2>is to stay true to that and to just expand

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<v Speaker 2>it or open up kind of like what they call midrash.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this is what the Jews used to do

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<v Speaker 2>and even what what the Apostles did did in the

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<v Speaker 2>New Time Testament, where you know, you're retelling the Bible stories.

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<v Speaker 2>You're not claiming to be scripture, but you're just retelling

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<v Speaker 2>them and sort of making them more understandable to your

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<v Speaker 2>modern audience, if that makes sense.

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<v Speaker 1>And if I'm not mistaken too, like the earliest prince

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bible, and even like the Catholic prince had

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<v Speaker 1>the first and second Maccabees, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, so that's an interesting in my research that

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<v Speaker 2>I did. It was fascinating because I started to look

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<v Speaker 2>into the Apocrypha, and there's a very interesting history and

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<v Speaker 2>it connects up to the Septuagint, which is the Greek

521
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<v Speaker 2>translation of the Old Testament, and nowadays though the septuagen

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<v Speaker 2>includes the New Testament as well. But I'll explain that

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<v Speaker 2>in a second. But that was a really fascinating thing

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<v Speaker 2>and it's relevant to my storyline because Okay, so the

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<v Speaker 2>Apocrypha is a series of books such as the first

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<v Speaker 2>and second Maccabees and third and fourth MacCabe These Tobit Judith,

527
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<v Speaker 2>some of you may have heard of these, you know,

528
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<v Speaker 2>second borok Ecclesiasticus, Wisdom of Solomon, And there's varying of

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<v Speaker 2>these these books and some additional additions to Daniel, and

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<v Speaker 2>they were they were, They've been around for a long time,

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<v Speaker 2>and they are included in the Greek what we call

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<v Speaker 2>the Greek Septuagen, and the Greek septuagen is the Greek

533
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<v Speaker 2>translations the Old Testament, so they're included in that, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why many many Christians do accept them as scripture.

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<v Speaker 2>Roman Catholics do, or what they call deutero canonical, which

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<v Speaker 2>is sort of like secondary canon, not necessarily primary canon,

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<v Speaker 2>but wholly in some way, and Eastern Orthodox also accepts it,

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<v Speaker 2>but Protestants don't. And and and that's okay. I'm a Protestant,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's like, you know, that's fine. But what's interesting

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<v Speaker 2>is that what we think of as the Septuagint isn't

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<v Speaker 2>what it originally was. What we know of as a

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<v Speaker 2>septuagint now is what we call codexes, and they have

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<v Speaker 2>a few ancient codexes. There's three main ones of full

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<v Speaker 2>codexes of the septuagen the Greek translation, and the septuagent

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<v Speaker 2>basically means seventy and it's it's a reference to the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that the origin of the scriptures translated into Greek

547
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<v Speaker 2>happened around two hundred and eighty BC or so. And

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<v Speaker 2>what it was was the Greek king Ptolemy Ptolemy Philadelphus wanted,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he's building this Alexandria Library, which became the

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<v Speaker 2>world renowned library, and he wanted to get the scriptures

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<v Speaker 2>in there as well in bud in Greek because everyone

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<v Speaker 2>spoke Greek, right, and so he allegedly you know, called

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<v Speaker 2>in seventy two actually seventy two Jewish scholars, twelve from

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<v Speaker 2>each tribe of Israel, right or was that six from

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<v Speaker 2>what would that be? Yeah, six from every each tribe

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel, something like that, and and so and they

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<v Speaker 2>were to translate the scriptures for him. And there's some

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<v Speaker 2>legends that are connected to that that, but that's the

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<v Speaker 2>basic storyline. And what's so fascinating about that is it

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<v Speaker 2>was only the Torah at first, and then over the

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<v Speaker 2>next hundred years they would add the you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>the prophets and the writings who you know, who are

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<v Speaker 2>the other parts of what they considered to be the

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<v Speaker 2>scriptures in that day. But what's interesting about that is

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<v Speaker 2>that is a fascinating providential thing because imagine, the Hebrews

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<v Speaker 2>are the small little people whose language is obscure, nobody

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<v Speaker 2>knows Hebrew, right, and their scriptures are in Hebrew. How

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<v Speaker 2>can the rest of the world know the truth of God,

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<v Speaker 2>the word of God because they don't speak the language.

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<v Speaker 2>But by God's providence, you know, he uses the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Alexander the Gray conquers the kingdom, and God uses that

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<v Speaker 2>evil for good by making everyone speak Greek. That allows

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<v Speaker 2>the translation of the Old Testament scriptures into Greek that

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<v Speaker 2>then make it available to the whole world, because now

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<v Speaker 2>the whole world can read the Bible, right, and that

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<v Speaker 2>is a fascinating, exciting, providential miracle.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But this has done like two ADBC, right, So this

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<v Speaker 2>is a long long time ago. And what's interesting is

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<v Speaker 2>the Apocrypha were not part of that. So at some

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<v Speaker 2>point in the line, the apocrypha were included by some people,

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<v Speaker 2>but the Jews never included any of the apocrypha in

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<v Speaker 2>their canon lists, even up to the point where even Josephus,

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<v Speaker 2>who was a famous first century Jew scholar, he did

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<v Speaker 2>not include them as well. They had the the Torah,

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<v Speaker 2>the prophets, and the writings, and that did not include

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<v Speaker 2>the Apocrapha. It was later when the Christians were gathering

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<v Speaker 2>together the By the way, this is the other thing

589
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<v Speaker 2>is you know, the Old Testament, remember, was in individual scrolls.

590
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<v Speaker 2>Their books were individual scrolls. They weren't in books. It

591
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<v Speaker 2>wasn't in one book, right, And so they had canonists

592
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<v Speaker 2>and references and scrolls that they would read, but it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't in a single book. But when they first started

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<v Speaker 2>putting the first ones, first people it started really putting

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<v Speaker 2>the scriptures into one book. Were the Christians like in

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<v Speaker 2>the first century and after, and they were the ones

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<v Speaker 2>that started to include what they believed. The Apocrypha was

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<v Speaker 2>a part of that. I don't think it's scripture. And

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<v Speaker 2>part of the reason is that, you know, if you

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<v Speaker 2>look at the Apostles and Jesus in the New Testament,

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<v Speaker 2>when they quote the Old Testament, almost eighty percent of

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<v Speaker 2>the time they're quoting from the Greek septuagent Greek translation

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<v Speaker 2>of the Old Testament. And this is very interesting because

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<v Speaker 2>it's not the Hebrew that they're quoting from. Their quoting

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<v Speaker 2>from the Greek, but they never quote from the Apocrypha,

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<v Speaker 2>and the like I said, there was no there was

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<v Speaker 2>no single volume that included the Apocrypha anyway, right, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Jews never included them in their canon lists. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's not until later that the Christians start adding those, right.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's kind of the fascinating history of the Greek scriptures.

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<v Speaker 2>But it also gets into another interesting contrast with the

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<v Speaker 2>Masoretic Text, which is the Hebrew translation, but that comes

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<v Speaker 2>later than the Greek and there's a whole issue there

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<v Speaker 2>that you know that takes me off topic, but nonetheless,

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<v Speaker 2>my story takes place in that time period where so

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like one hundred years later after the Greek

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<v Speaker 2>Subtuagint was translated, So now we also probably have the

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<v Speaker 2>rest of the Bible translated. And the Maccabees that's their day,

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<v Speaker 2>that's their day in period, and it's the Maccabees that

620
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<v Speaker 2>that you know, become a sort of a rallying call

621
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<v Speaker 2>for Jews to stand up for themselves and such. But

622
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<v Speaker 2>also the martyrs of the Maccabees became an inspiration for

623
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<v Speaker 2>the first century Christians when they were being martyred, they

624
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<v Speaker 2>looked to the Macabeans because the martyrs at least, right,

625
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<v Speaker 2>So that's an interesting but yeah, it's a fascinating journey

626
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<v Speaker 2>that I would recommend anyone look into because it tells

627
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<v Speaker 2>you a little bit about the Bible and the textual

628
00:37:24.559 --> 00:37:27.920
<v Speaker 2>transmission of the Bible, things that Christians don't like to

629
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<v Speaker 2>get into or get too deep in. Sometimes it's too

630
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<v Speaker 2>academic for them. But it really affects our spirituality. Like

631
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<v Speaker 2>I said, you know, we wouldn't you know, the Gospel

632
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<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be able to go to all the world if

633
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<v Speaker 2>they didn't have the scriptures in Greek in that day, right,

634
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<v Speaker 2>So that's something that's very relevant to our faith. And

635
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<v Speaker 2>the history of our faith.

636
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<v Speaker 1>Well, now I could be wrong, but like now, is

637
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<v Speaker 1>first Enoch is that considered an apocryphal?

638
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<v Speaker 2>No, the Books of Enoch, there's four of them, but

639
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:04.039
<v Speaker 2>only the first, Only the first one is is considered

640
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:10.519
<v Speaker 2>the most sort of authentic or the other ones are

641
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<v Speaker 2>later much later, even after Christianity and stuff. But the

642
00:38:13.159 --> 00:38:15.280
<v Speaker 2>first thing neck is the one that was probably written

643
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<v Speaker 2>in you know, actually probably around the time of the

644
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:22.440
<v Speaker 2>Maccabees actually, because it also was a reflection of the

645
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<v Speaker 2>struggles that were the spiritual struggles that they were going

646
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<v Speaker 2>on there with that, but that's called the sudopigraph So

647
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:33.639
<v Speaker 2>that's part of other texts that are you know, sudipigrapha

648
00:38:33.719 --> 00:38:37.679
<v Speaker 2>means false writings, which you know because there they have

649
00:38:37.760 --> 00:38:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the names of authors like not, but they weren't really

650
00:38:40.760 --> 00:38:43.519
<v Speaker 2>that author wasn't really didn't right. But that's that's not

651
00:38:43.559 --> 00:38:45.400
<v Speaker 2>like they're lying to you. It's like that's the way

652
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:47.840
<v Speaker 2>they wrote a lot of their literature in that day.

653
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:48.119
<v Speaker 1>Right.

654
00:38:48.679 --> 00:38:52.360
<v Speaker 2>But another fascinating thing about that is you you mentioned

655
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<v Speaker 2>the phariseason s this story of the Maccabees, the Holy

656
00:38:56.519 --> 00:39:00.599
<v Speaker 2>Jews that rose up and fought against the Greek King

657
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:05.360
<v Speaker 2>Antichus epiphanies, they were called the Hasidim. But out of

658
00:39:05.440 --> 00:39:09.239
<v Speaker 2>this victory that they had, they started having their own

659
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:13.679
<v Speaker 2>inner civil wars, so to speak, right, and and inner

660
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:18.000
<v Speaker 2>battles spiritual wars because and this isn't in my story,

661
00:39:18.039 --> 00:39:21.599
<v Speaker 2>but this results from this. They you know, the Pharisees

662
00:39:22.119 --> 00:39:25.559
<v Speaker 2>believe in the resurrection and angels. As an example, the

663
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:29.000
<v Speaker 2>New Testament tells us that, right, the Sadducees do not.

664
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<v Speaker 2>And the Sadducees were considered more just the scriptures, you know,

665
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:35.119
<v Speaker 2>they didn't and Pharisees tended to add more things onto

666
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.039
<v Speaker 2>it and stuff. But also the Essenes come out of

667
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<v Speaker 2>this time period, and the Essenes were those who ended

668
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<v Speaker 2>up being the Dead Sea Scroll sect in Kumran during

669
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:47.599
<v Speaker 2>the first century that Josephus writes about. So but what

670
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.760
<v Speaker 2>happened was these various sects started battling for control, and

671
00:39:51.800 --> 00:39:54.000
<v Speaker 2>that's where the splits started to occur. And you've got

672
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.599
<v Speaker 2>Sadducees and Pharisees, and ultimately, you know, in the days

673
00:39:57.599 --> 00:40:02.000
<v Speaker 2>of Christ, the Sadducees were actually more powerful. They were

674
00:40:02.039 --> 00:40:06.159
<v Speaker 2>considered more the establishment than the Pharisees were. But they

675
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:09.239
<v Speaker 2>come out of this time period of the Maccabees. Again,

676
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.599
<v Speaker 2>this is a time period that's very crucial and its

677
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:16.400
<v Speaker 2>effect on the history of Jews and ultimately Christianity. Another

678
00:40:16.480 --> 00:40:19.599
<v Speaker 2>component of that is I mentioned the high priests. Well,

679
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:22.760
<v Speaker 2>this is another element of God is really this is

680
00:40:22.800 --> 00:40:25.840
<v Speaker 2>a time period God's not speaking to Israel. Also, you

681
00:40:25.920 --> 00:40:29.880
<v Speaker 2>have to remember that Ezekiel in the exile, you know,

682
00:40:30.079 --> 00:40:32.800
<v Speaker 2>on five a six pc he sees a vision of

683
00:40:32.840 --> 00:40:37.159
<v Speaker 2>God's Spirit leaving the temple and it never returns. And

684
00:40:37.199 --> 00:40:40.599
<v Speaker 2>then the other few prophets left end up talking about

685
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:44.679
<v Speaker 2>Yahweh will return to Zion, you know, when Messiah comes,

686
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.880
<v Speaker 2>and so when Jesus enters Jerusalem, that is Yawe returning

687
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:50.400
<v Speaker 2>to Zion and his Holy Spirit coming back to the

688
00:40:50.400 --> 00:40:53.440
<v Speaker 2>city of Jerusalem, to the Temple, so to speak. But

689
00:40:53.480 --> 00:40:56.400
<v Speaker 2>then we know Jesus, you know, replaces the Temple and such.

690
00:40:56.599 --> 00:41:05.840
<v Speaker 2>But what I was to us? So uh, this there's

691
00:41:05.880 --> 00:41:10.400
<v Speaker 2>this division that ends up between the Parsees and the Saducees.

692
00:41:10.440 --> 00:41:12.599
<v Speaker 2>And if you look at the two books of Maccabees,

693
00:41:13.239 --> 00:41:17.199
<v Speaker 2>first and Second Maccabees, First Maccabees telling the story of

694
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:21.440
<v Speaker 2>the Maccabees and the Wars has no reference to angels

695
00:41:21.960 --> 00:41:26.239
<v Speaker 2>or resurrection, and second Macbees does have some stories of

696
00:41:26.280 --> 00:41:30.039
<v Speaker 2>angels and resurrection. When the martyrs are being martyred, they

697
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:32.679
<v Speaker 2>replied to the king, O, King, go ahead and kill

698
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:34.280
<v Speaker 2>my body, for God will give it back to me

699
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.280
<v Speaker 2>in the resurrection. And you know, you have to understand

700
00:41:37.280 --> 00:41:40.360
<v Speaker 2>the resurrection wasn't spoken of much in the Old Testament,

701
00:41:40.840 --> 00:41:43.920
<v Speaker 2>actual bodily resurrection of people, but in the Intertestamental time

702
00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:47.320
<v Speaker 2>period that it becomes very important. But what's interesting is

703
00:41:47.760 --> 00:41:50.760
<v Speaker 2>that becomes the division between Pharisees and Sadducees, which is

704
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:55.239
<v Speaker 2>why some scholars will say that first Maccabees without resurrection,

705
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:59.400
<v Speaker 2>without angels, was probably written by a proto Sadducean, and

706
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:02.760
<v Speaker 2>second mech he was written by a proto Pharisee because

707
00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:06.880
<v Speaker 2>of their unique theology. And that's another fascinating, you know

708
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:09.559
<v Speaker 2>story in none of Himself as well. So like I said, yeah,

709
00:42:09.559 --> 00:42:12.360
<v Speaker 2>this so God's spirit is not there. He's withdrawn his

710
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.880
<v Speaker 2>relationally from Israel. But one of the points of my

711
00:42:16.079 --> 00:42:20.960
<v Speaker 2>story is like the Book of Esther where you know,

712
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:22.719
<v Speaker 2>you note see in the name of God anywhere. Now

713
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:25.199
<v Speaker 2>Christians get it, Oh yeah, that's because part of the

714
00:42:25.239 --> 00:42:27.519
<v Speaker 2>point is is that even though it seems like God's

715
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:31.559
<v Speaker 2>not there, he is behind the scenes orchestrating everything. And

716
00:42:31.599 --> 00:42:33.480
<v Speaker 2>that's what I think is going on as well in

717
00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:36.320
<v Speaker 2>my backup best story. The God's relationally withdrawn, his spirit's

718
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:39.920
<v Speaker 2>not in the temple, and the high priesthood is is

719
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:44.880
<v Speaker 2>under condemnation from God because from this point on, the

720
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:51.960
<v Speaker 2>high priest is never anymore in the line of Zadoc,

721
00:42:52.599 --> 00:42:56.920
<v Speaker 2>and Zadac was in was an ironic priesthood that the

722
00:42:57.039 --> 00:43:00.400
<v Speaker 2>high priest would would come from, and Menelaus this time

723
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.480
<v Speaker 2>period was not and so he was an abomination to

724
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:06.599
<v Speaker 2>most Jews. But from that time on there was never

725
00:43:06.639 --> 00:43:10.559
<v Speaker 2>another Zatekite priest until Jesus comes, until Jesus arrives as

726
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:14.280
<v Speaker 2>Messiah at least, right, And so that's another component where

727
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:19.079
<v Speaker 2>this you know, the whole you know, the whole world,

728
00:43:19.400 --> 00:43:22.880
<v Speaker 2>the whole cosmos in a way of Judaism, is completely

729
00:43:23.679 --> 00:43:27.599
<v Speaker 2>messed up. But God is still at work behind the

730
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:31.480
<v Speaker 2>scenes and he is orchestrating at all. The temple does

731
00:43:31.519 --> 00:43:36.639
<v Speaker 2>get cleansed like Daniel prophesied, right, and then ultimately you know,

732
00:43:36.679 --> 00:43:39.519
<v Speaker 2>Messiah would come and bring in that that ultimate restoration

733
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:42.199
<v Speaker 2>that they were looking for, but that would even then

734
00:43:42.239 --> 00:43:45.039
<v Speaker 2>be another one hundred and sixty years from from then.

735
00:43:45.679 --> 00:43:49.440
<v Speaker 2>But that's that that's sort of the journey that that

736
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:52.159
<v Speaker 2>is included in my story. So I tried, I try

737
00:43:52.199 --> 00:43:54.559
<v Speaker 2>to explain a lot of this stuff, but in an

738
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:56.760
<v Speaker 2>entertaining context. I don't want to get bored and I

739
00:43:56.760 --> 00:43:59.000
<v Speaker 2>don't want to be lecturing to people. My goal is

740
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:01.360
<v Speaker 2>to communicate big, local truth, but it's got to be

741
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:06.320
<v Speaker 2>in a very entertaining story. So my Judah maccabee story

742
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:09.199
<v Speaker 2>is kind of like Braveheart. If you love Brave Heart,

743
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:12.360
<v Speaker 2>it's got a very similar storyline. It just so happened

744
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:14.079
<v Speaker 2>that it was very similar in the original, you know,

745
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:16.960
<v Speaker 2>in the actual historical events. And so Judah mccabee is

746
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:18.960
<v Speaker 2>kind of like a William Wallace and Brave Heart, and

747
00:44:19.000 --> 00:44:21.880
<v Speaker 2>there's romance and I've got the spiritual warfare going on there.

748
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:26.280
<v Speaker 2>So it's you know, and battles, you know, just in

749
00:44:26.320 --> 00:44:29.960
<v Speaker 2>a very interesting way. And so you're gonna learn a

750
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:32.960
<v Speaker 2>lot about the time period, about the biblical background and

751
00:44:33.119 --> 00:44:36.199
<v Speaker 2>historical background, but it won't be these lectures and stuff.

752
00:44:36.199 --> 00:44:40.400
<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's contained within the entertainment of a great

753
00:44:41.960 --> 00:44:45.320
<v Speaker 2>rip roaring yarn of action adventure, because that's what I

754
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:48.760
<v Speaker 2>really love, so hopefully people will see that.

755
00:44:49.960 --> 00:44:53.000
<v Speaker 1>Well with your main character, now, was see someone that

756
00:44:53.119 --> 00:44:57.440
<v Speaker 1>was actually mentioned in the biblical text or was this

757
00:44:57.440 --> 00:44:59.639
<v Speaker 1>something that you had to come up with or did

758
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:02.360
<v Speaker 1>you find any of this inner weave and narrative that

759
00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you got to add to or was this just something

760
00:45:04.559 --> 00:45:05.480
<v Speaker 1>you had to create?

761
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:09.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I tried my best to follow the actual

762
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:13.960
<v Speaker 2>story from the texts as close as possible, and then

763
00:45:14.000 --> 00:45:16.280
<v Speaker 2>I fill in with fictional stuff. So you know, I

764
00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:18.440
<v Speaker 2>do add my fictional stuff, but I don't make it

765
00:45:18.480 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 2>contradict what we do know, if that makes sense. And

766
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:25.920
<v Speaker 2>so Judah Maccabee in the Book of the Maccabees, he's

767
00:45:25.960 --> 00:45:29.960
<v Speaker 2>called Judas Maccabeist, but that's the Greek. It's don't forget

768
00:45:30.039 --> 00:45:33.039
<v Speaker 2>it's it's written in Greek so and translating in English.

769
00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:35.880
<v Speaker 2>But in actuality, as a Jew, he would probably be

770
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:40.159
<v Speaker 2>referred to as Judah Maccabee. But yeah, I know he's

771
00:45:40.239 --> 00:45:44.440
<v Speaker 2>definitely in there. And interestingly, we don't the text doesn't

772
00:45:44.440 --> 00:45:47.639
<v Speaker 2>tell us anything about his life before the revolt. It

773
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:51.519
<v Speaker 2>just starts with the revolt. And then talking about Judah maccabee.

774
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:56.280
<v Speaker 2>So there's not a lot about him. But whatever fiction

775
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:59.239
<v Speaker 2>that I do come up with, it's fiction that tries

776
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:01.679
<v Speaker 2>to be based on what we do know about him,

777
00:46:01.800 --> 00:46:05.719
<v Speaker 2>and that would connect dots, connect links in a way

778
00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:06.840
<v Speaker 2>that would be consistent.

779
00:46:08.679 --> 00:46:12.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, is there a love story? I don't you give, Well, but.

780
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:16.400
<v Speaker 2>You always got to have love stories. And by the way,

781
00:46:16.400 --> 00:46:19.760
<v Speaker 2>that's one element that is fictional, because you know, you

782
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:22.559
<v Speaker 2>got to realize these these are very patriarchal stories, so

783
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:25.039
<v Speaker 2>they're very male focused. There's not a lot of reference

784
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:28.239
<v Speaker 2>to women. Sadly, you know, there are some wives references,

785
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:31.320
<v Speaker 2>but nothing is said about Judah MacCabe having a wife

786
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:34.360
<v Speaker 2>or anything, or his brothers. But they they clearly would have,

787
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:39.320
<v Speaker 2>but we don't really know. Therefore, for me to add

788
00:46:39.320 --> 00:46:42.599
<v Speaker 2>a wife becomes fictional but certainly not inconsistent with what

789
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:45.639
<v Speaker 2>could have been right. And so I definitely have a

790
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:48.400
<v Speaker 2>whole couple, a couple of different love stories, and throughout

791
00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:50.599
<v Speaker 2>the whole there's a main love story in each novel,

792
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:53.440
<v Speaker 2>because I always have that. Definitely.

793
00:46:54.880 --> 00:46:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Now, uh far as like the history with this, Now

794
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:02.320
<v Speaker 1>I could be wrong, but well, this like they were

795
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:04.760
<v Speaker 1>battling going back and forth, and they actually ended up

796
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:10.599
<v Speaker 1>getting pushed back to this king's like retreat somewhere like

797
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:12.840
<v Speaker 1>on like a mountain top. It was like a last

798
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:14.800
<v Speaker 1>stand fortress or something like that.

799
00:47:14.960 --> 00:47:19.599
<v Speaker 2>Oh you might be thinking of Masada, Yeah, but that no,

800
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:23.159
<v Speaker 2>that was that happens in the first century. This what

801
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:27.119
<v Speaker 2>this story is is, you know, the basic story of

802
00:47:27.239 --> 00:47:33.880
<v Speaker 2>the Jews refusing to worship Greek gods, being martyred for it,

803
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:39.199
<v Speaker 2>then revolting and battling with Greece until they finally captured

804
00:47:39.280 --> 00:47:43.920
<v Speaker 2>Jerusalem and kick the Greeks out of Jerusalem and cleanse

805
00:47:43.960 --> 00:47:46.960
<v Speaker 2>the temple. That's what this story. That's what this story

806
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:49.599
<v Speaker 2>really focuses on. And you know, like I said, they're

807
00:47:49.639 --> 00:47:51.800
<v Speaker 2>in the books of the Maccabe's, there are stories that

808
00:47:51.880 --> 00:47:54.679
<v Speaker 2>go beyond that because it wasn't all over yet. You know,

809
00:47:54.719 --> 00:47:56.480
<v Speaker 2>there was still some things that had to be done

810
00:47:56.480 --> 00:48:00.159
<v Speaker 2>and and like I said, battles within within between the

811
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:02.679
<v Speaker 2>Jews as well for control and stuff. But you know,

812
00:48:02.719 --> 00:48:04.760
<v Speaker 2>you can only tell one story at a time.

813
00:48:04.880 --> 00:48:11.599
<v Speaker 1>So oh yeah, exactly, well, how long was this project?

814
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:13.880
<v Speaker 1>I know sometimes some of them are longer than others.

815
00:48:14.039 --> 00:48:14.360
<v Speaker 2>Was this.

816
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:18.880
<v Speaker 1>A long and ongoing process or was this just something

817
00:48:18.880 --> 00:48:21.480
<v Speaker 1>that hits you and you pounded it out in a

818
00:48:21.639 --> 00:48:22.320
<v Speaker 1>couple of months.

819
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:25.480
<v Speaker 2>No, No, I take about a year to write each

820
00:48:25.519 --> 00:48:27.480
<v Speaker 2>of my books. But one of the things that I

821
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.599
<v Speaker 2>do is I write, I actually write two books. I

822
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:33.400
<v Speaker 2>write the novel, and then I always try to include

823
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<v Speaker 2>a book of the research, historical and biblical research behind

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<v Speaker 2>the novel for those Christians who want to learn that,

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<v Speaker 2>because a lot of times they want to go, what's

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<v Speaker 2>the what's the real stuff and what's fiction? So I can,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, separate the two if I need to, and

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<v Speaker 2>they're just curious and I appreciate that. So I wrote

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<v Speaker 2>a book called The Spiritual World of Ancient Israel and Greece,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, it's like one hundred and fifty pages

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<v Speaker 2>or something, and it basically describes a lot of that

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<v Speaker 2>because I found that a lot of Christians have really

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<v Speaker 2>loved that, and so and I love providing the research.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's in a separate book so you don't have

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<v Speaker 2>to get it. But one of the things I do

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<v Speaker 2>is I do have an appendix in the second novel

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<v Speaker 2>because I mentioned this abomination of desolation and I know

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<v Speaker 2>that that's a big prophecy thing right. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people have a lot of beliefs about

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<v Speaker 2>prophecies like the abomination of desolation and what does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>And isn't didn Jesus say there was one in his future?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>He did. So you know what I did was I

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<v Speaker 2>added an appendix at the end of the second novel

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<v Speaker 2>where I just take one hundred pages or so to

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<v Speaker 2>explain what the abomination was in the Bible and roughly,

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<v Speaker 2>just so you can, you know, your listeners can get

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<v Speaker 2>a rough handle on this. There's different ways that people

849
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<v Speaker 2>interpret it. But my argument is that there are two

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<v Speaker 2>different abominations of desolation that are prophesied in Daniel. One

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<v Speaker 2>of them occurs in Daniel eight and eleven, and the

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<v Speaker 2>other one occurs in Dania nine and twelve, and Dale

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<v Speaker 2>eight and eleven is the one that talks about, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and scholars have pretty much acknowledged this that it's talking

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<v Speaker 2>about Antike's epiphanies and his image that he's set up

856
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<v Speaker 2>of Zeus in the temple. That's the abomination of desolation

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<v Speaker 2>that already happened in history. But then there's another one,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's a different one, and that's the one Jesus

859
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<v Speaker 2>is talking about, because that's the one where that occurs

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<v Speaker 2>in Daniel nine where we read about, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>one who brings abominations and desolation on Jerusalem will not

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<v Speaker 2>only does he pollute the temple, but he destroys it,

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<v Speaker 2>the temple and the city. And that's something that Antiochs

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<v Speaker 2>Epiphanies did not do. And so the first abomination of

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<v Speaker 2>desolation only included desolation, not destruction. The second one, which

866
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<v Speaker 2>is when Jesus is talking about, brings about the destruction

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<v Speaker 2>of the city and the temple, and that of course

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<v Speaker 2>occurred in AD seventy that Jesus talked about when in

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<v Speaker 2>Matthew twenty four the temple will be destroyed and such.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a I explained how that all works and

871
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<v Speaker 2>how we are to understand that future tense in the

872
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<v Speaker 2>past tense. And you know, it's always controversial, so I

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<v Speaker 2>try to be give as strong of a biblical argument

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<v Speaker 2>as possible, so so people can be rooted in their understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, eschatology, that is definitely a muddy water, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>when you and some people get into I love how

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<v Speaker 1>Doug van Dorn I've heard him talk about it with

878
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<v Speaker 1>the I think he uses the word chiasm. Yeah, you

879
00:51:33.360 --> 00:51:35.880
<v Speaker 1>know how everything just kind of rolls into each other,

880
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:40.400
<v Speaker 1>like you know, gear wheels and cycles repeat and prophecy repeats,

881
00:51:40.440 --> 00:51:42.960
<v Speaker 1>and it's a bunch of as Mike used to always say,

882
00:51:43.000 --> 00:51:48.880
<v Speaker 1>already but not yet, see that a lot. Well are

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<v Speaker 1>you what are you working on now? You got any

884
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:53.000
<v Speaker 1>kind of other projects that you're working on? Are you

885
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:54.519
<v Speaker 1>just kind of relaxing right now?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I've already worked on the next one. I can't

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<v Speaker 2>say yet, but it's going to be my penultimate. It's

888
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:02.679
<v Speaker 2>going to be huge, it's gonna be awesome. It's gonna

889
00:52:02.719 --> 00:52:05.000
<v Speaker 2>bring everything together in a cool way, so people will

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<v Speaker 2>love it absolutely. So maybe in another five months or so,

891
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<v Speaker 2>I'll start talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So it's no no teasers.

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<v Speaker 2>Huh No, I'm on.

894
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<v Speaker 1>Brian three years. Brother, can't give me a little line here,

895
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<v Speaker 1>my listener is just a little thin line here. Come on, man, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll give you a hint.

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<v Speaker 2>There's uh, there's a reference to it in my story

898
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<v Speaker 2>Juda mccabee. There's a reference to the story in which

899
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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to be telling next.

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<v Speaker 1>So there you go, guys, get the book and there's

901
00:52:40.360 --> 00:52:45.519
<v Speaker 1>your breadcrumb trail. Well, Brian brother a man, thank you

902
00:52:45.960 --> 00:52:48.440
<v Speaker 1>for coming on and let us know about your book.

903
00:52:48.480 --> 00:52:51.480
<v Speaker 1>And you're always putting out great content and great work.

904
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<v Speaker 1>It's always well researched, you well thought of. I've got

905
00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:57.760
<v Speaker 1>two of your reference books and just went through those.

906
00:52:57.840 --> 00:53:01.199
<v Speaker 1>Those were awesome to come through, so well researched, well

907
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:03.559
<v Speaker 1>referenced guys. So if you've not checked out Brian stuff,

908
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:05.679
<v Speaker 1>you definitely want to let everybody know where they can

909
00:53:05.760 --> 00:53:06.679
<v Speaker 1>find your stuff. Brian.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure. All my books are exclusively at Amazon, and everything

911
00:53:10.880 --> 00:53:16.199
<v Speaker 2>is in either e book or paperback or hardcover or audiobook,

912
00:53:16.280 --> 00:53:18.360
<v Speaker 2>any of those formats you can get them in as

913
00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:20.320
<v Speaker 2>well as large print. I keep forgetting to tell people

914
00:53:20.320 --> 00:53:24.199
<v Speaker 2>that they're also all available in large print. So yeah,

915
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:26.480
<v Speaker 2>exclusively at Amazon. You know, if you want to look

916
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:29.079
<v Speaker 2>about me, find out more about me. Most of the

917
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:31.440
<v Speaker 2>information is on Amazon, but you can also go to

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<v Speaker 2>Gadawa dot com. That's my website and I have all

919
00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:36.760
<v Speaker 2>my information on my books there. Another cool thing I

920
00:53:36.760 --> 00:53:39.119
<v Speaker 2>did is I give a lot of the articles of

921
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:41.920
<v Speaker 2>research behind what I'm doing on my website for free.

922
00:53:42.119 --> 00:53:45.880
<v Speaker 2>But I also cast all my novels, so I use

923
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:49.559
<v Speaker 2>AI to create character pictures of all my novels, of

924
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:52.039
<v Speaker 2>characters in all my novels, and that's all free on

925
00:53:52.079 --> 00:53:54.760
<v Speaker 2>my website. You just find the book and then find

926
00:53:54.760 --> 00:53:57.639
<v Speaker 2>the cast of characters for each book and you can

927
00:53:57.719 --> 00:53:59.639
<v Speaker 2>look at it and they're really cool and a lot

928
00:53:59.679 --> 00:54:03.119
<v Speaker 2>of people loved them. So that's one little easter egg.

929
00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:06.039
<v Speaker 2>I guess that's on the website. That's not on Amazon,

930
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:08.440
<v Speaker 2>although you can actually buy the book of the characters

931
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<v Speaker 2>on Amazon because they did take all the characters from

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00:54:10.519 --> 00:54:12.800
<v Speaker 2>all the novels put them into one book. So if

933
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<v Speaker 2>you're if you're reading it in my chronicles, you can

934
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<v Speaker 2>buy one or two of the books and have all

935
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<v Speaker 2>the characters and follow along as you read the novel.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's pretty awesome. Mary. When you've first done that,

937
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:25.280
<v Speaker 1>you were plugging them and putting it on social media

938
00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:29.159
<v Speaker 1>and stuff, and that was when AI was really starting

939
00:54:29.159 --> 00:54:31.199
<v Speaker 1>to surge and everybody's starting to play with that stuff.

940
00:54:31.239 --> 00:54:33.880
<v Speaker 1>You was putting all those characters out. That was pretty cool, man.

941
00:54:33.760 --> 00:54:37.280
<v Speaker 2>It was fantastic. Yeah, yeah, great artist Cam Harlest was

942
00:54:37.639 --> 00:54:40.000
<v Speaker 2>doing a lot of it for me. It's good.

943
00:54:41.440 --> 00:54:44.920
<v Speaker 1>And graphic novels. That's a big thing right now. I know.

944
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:47.639
<v Speaker 1>Actually a couple of people that's doing just like comic

945
00:54:47.679 --> 00:54:51.639
<v Speaker 1>books of like David and Goliath and the Five Stones

946
00:54:51.760 --> 00:54:52.760
<v Speaker 1>and doing all that.

947
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:55.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's a lot, it's a lot of work

948
00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:58.320
<v Speaker 2>to illustrate a graphic novel. They're great. I'd love to

949
00:54:58.360 --> 00:54:59.760
<v Speaker 2>do it, but it's you got to get an l

950
00:54:59.800 --> 00:55:01.639
<v Speaker 2>stra or who's willing to put in all that time

951
00:55:01.719 --> 00:55:04.039
<v Speaker 2>and and it's hard to get which is why a

952
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:08.239
<v Speaker 2>lot of graphic artists, graphic novelists do their own novels

953
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:09.840
<v Speaker 2>because no one else is willing to put in that

954
00:55:09.920 --> 00:55:12.159
<v Speaker 2>time and no one can afford to pay them. So

955
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<v Speaker 2>but it's a great it's a great opportunity.

956
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, I'm just waiting for the day to for

957
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.519
<v Speaker 1>somebody to do a Game of Thrones or something like

958
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<v Speaker 1>that with some of these stories.

959
00:55:23.880 --> 00:55:24.039
<v Speaker 2>Man.

960
00:55:24.039 --> 00:55:26.199
<v Speaker 1>I know a lot of us New Circle talk about it.

961
00:55:26.199 --> 00:55:28.280
<v Speaker 1>But if we could get a good director and throw

962
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:30.880
<v Speaker 1>in some crowdfunding behind it, I mean, look at Chosen

963
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:35.679
<v Speaker 1>and just do a whole Michael, Well, you know Worldview series.

964
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<v Speaker 2>I like to think that my series is a kind

965
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:40.639
<v Speaker 2>of a biblical Game of Thrones. Now, I do not

966
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:42.679
<v Speaker 2>claim to be as good a writer as George Martin,

967
00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:46.199
<v Speaker 2>definitely not. But but it's got that same vibe to it,

968
00:55:46.239 --> 00:55:49.880
<v Speaker 2>you know. And uh, but but the difference is is

969
00:55:49.920 --> 00:55:53.280
<v Speaker 2>mine is redemptive. There's a lot of you know, there's violence,

970
00:55:53.480 --> 00:55:56.239
<v Speaker 2>just like the Bible. Bible has violence and sin, but

971
00:55:56.320 --> 00:56:00.719
<v Speaker 2>there's also redemption and God's glory and God's magic comes

972
00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:03.840
<v Speaker 2>through at the end, which is sadly something that you know.

973
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<v Speaker 2>Of course, Game of Thrones does not have those novels.

974
00:56:06.239 --> 00:56:12.800
<v Speaker 2>They're very dark. Yeah, yeah, darkness without redemption is just nihilism.

975
00:56:13.159 --> 00:56:15.960
<v Speaker 2>But mine has dark a dark world with a light

976
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:17.639
<v Speaker 2>of redemption in the in the middle of it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I suffered through that Game of Thrones and it

978
00:56:21.119 --> 00:56:23.280
<v Speaker 1>sucked me in and made it to the end and

979
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:26.440
<v Speaker 1>captured the Iron Throne just to be stabbed in the

980
00:56:26.480 --> 00:56:28.480
<v Speaker 1>back and killed. And I'm just like, man, this is

981
00:56:28.599 --> 00:56:32.400
<v Speaker 1>just awful. We'll letdown man.

982
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:33.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

983
00:56:33.559 --> 00:56:36.039
<v Speaker 1>Spoiler alert If you guys ain't watched that, I apologize

984
00:56:36.239 --> 00:56:40.119
<v Speaker 1>too late now, huh Well, Brian, thank you brother. I

985
00:56:40.159 --> 00:56:42.920
<v Speaker 1>appreciate your time, and be sure to go to his website,

986
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:45.159
<v Speaker 1>go to Amazon and check out his stuff, and you

987
00:56:45.199 --> 00:56:47.880
<v Speaker 1>will not regret it, and you will be thoroughly entertained,

988
00:56:47.920 --> 00:56:49.519
<v Speaker 1>and you'll be left with a light at the end

989
00:56:49.559 --> 00:56:51.519
<v Speaker 1>of the tunnel. It's not all darkness with Brian, as

990
00:56:51.519 --> 00:56:52.079
<v Speaker 1>he just said.

991
00:56:53.480 --> 00:56:54.639
<v Speaker 2>And then all.

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00:56:54.599 --> 00:56:56.440
<v Speaker 1>Right, well guys, hey, you be sure to check that out.

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00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:59.039
<v Speaker 1>I appreciate you tuning in, and just remember the difference

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00:56:59.039 --> 00:57:02.840
<v Speaker 1>between the Gnome in the unknown is the journey, so

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<v Speaker 1>good journey, guys. H m hm