WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:08.919 Welcome friends. The podcasts podcast is done to join Tack again. 2 00:00:09.160 --> 00:00:14.199 Ryan the Talk Dat Booby's Mom in their backs only made. 3 00:00:17.679 --> 00:00:21.480 The income five to eleven computer center of the most 4 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:23.640 calculating intelligence on Earth. 5 00:00:23.920 --> 00:00:26.760 I still do not understand why you want to break 6 00:00:26.800 --> 00:00:31.679 into the system, because man, somewhere in one of these memories. 7 00:00:31.640 --> 00:00:35.840 Is the obult Kevin Flynn computer genius searching for answers 8 00:00:36.039 --> 00:00:37.159 inside the system. 9 00:00:37.359 --> 00:00:40.240 Hey, hey, it's the big Master control program everybody's been 10 00:00:40.280 --> 00:00:42.359 talking about. Stop, I'm more than you. 11 00:00:42.799 --> 00:00:47.520 Trapped inside an electronic arena. Journey across an electronic scene 12 00:00:48.439 --> 00:00:57.960 on cycles made of light. Tron enter its world. 13 00:00:57.799 --> 00:00:58.799 This summer. 14 00:01:00.399 --> 00:01:06.040 Greetings programs, Welcome to a movie film commentary track. I 15 00:01:06.239 --> 00:01:10.840 am the program Zachy, and I'm here with my user Brian. 16 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:15.120 Hello, what's happened? We are real. Don't let any of 17 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:18.719 the other programs tell you otherwise, and we love you. 18 00:01:22.200 --> 00:01:25.319 Hey, you know there is a brand new Tron movie 19 00:01:25.359 --> 00:01:27.319 coming out, Brian. That's a sentence I never thought I 20 00:01:27.359 --> 00:01:30.840 would utter, being honest, I never thought that. 21 00:01:30.920 --> 00:01:32.879 That would be true with the second one when that 22 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:35.799 came out, And now I just can't believe we're actually 23 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:39.799 getting a third one. But I love it. I love it. 24 00:01:39.879 --> 00:01:42.719 I mean, this is like the day and age where 25 00:01:43.640 --> 00:01:45.840 the most anything that's gonna get made with a big 26 00:01:45.879 --> 00:01:47.599 budget has to be based on some sort of IP 27 00:01:48.640 --> 00:01:52.879 by and large, and so with Disney owning so many things, 28 00:01:53.280 --> 00:01:56.120 it feels like Tron would be like their twentieth priority, 29 00:01:56.959 --> 00:01:58.519 you know, out of all the things that they own. 30 00:01:58.920 --> 00:02:01.799 So I'm just I'm I'm shocked they went back to Tron, 31 00:02:01.959 --> 00:02:03.120 but I'm happy. 32 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:09.599 What's interesting to me is like in the IP Overdrive 33 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:13.919 age that we're in, weirdly, Tron ends up being kind 34 00:02:13.960 --> 00:02:15.919 of like a niche indie thing. 35 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:19.120 That's That's just what I mean, right, because it has 36 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:21.759 to have a big budget, but they have to also 37 00:02:21.879 --> 00:02:24.319 know that this isn't going to take the world by storm. Yeah, 38 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:28.599 you know, you know in the Disney architecture, Tron is 39 00:02:28.680 --> 00:02:32.159 like Blair Witch, you know. Yeah. But you know what, 40 00:02:32.240 --> 00:02:34.280 now that I think about it, they have a Tron 41 00:02:34.520 --> 00:02:37.919 ride at parks, don't they. So I wonder if there's 42 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:40.240 like a calculus where they think this feeds into the 43 00:02:40.319 --> 00:02:43.479 parks a little bit, you know, maybe someone will buy, uh, 44 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:45.960 do the ride and also buy the shirt at the 45 00:02:46.120 --> 00:02:48.120 gift shop at the end, I don't know. Yeah, well, 46 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:50.639 you know what, Brian, it's Tron's world. We're just living 47 00:02:50.719 --> 00:02:52.439 in it. That's true. That's true. That's the way I 48 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:52.879 look at it. 49 00:02:53.159 --> 00:02:57.199 And and for me, this is fantastic because it gives 50 00:02:57.280 --> 00:02:59.919 us an opportunity to hop in the old way back 51 00:03:00.319 --> 00:03:04.680 and watch the original Tron from nineteen eighty two. Yep, yep, Yeah, 52 00:03:05.360 --> 00:03:08.039 this is a movie that, certainly I have a great 53 00:03:08.080 --> 00:03:11.719 deal of affinity for. I think I've told the story before. 54 00:03:11.759 --> 00:03:15.479 I went to preschool with a Tron backpack slung around 55 00:03:15.560 --> 00:03:16.120 my shoulders. 56 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:21.479 Wow. So we go way back, wow Wow. 57 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:26.280 And you know, I suspect we're gonna have a fun 58 00:03:26.319 --> 00:03:29.199 conversation because it had been a little while since I 59 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:32.199 had seen this original film. So it's fun, fun to 60 00:03:32.280 --> 00:03:33.759 watch with commentary eyes. 61 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:37.479 Yes, I gotta say, I have a lot of well funness. 62 00:03:37.560 --> 00:03:42.039 But also my nostalgia is probably even bigger for it, 63 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:44.879 like my memories of it more than I actually remember it. 64 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:47.879 So it was I've seen chunks of it on TV 65 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:51.080 and things like that throughout my life, but sitting down 66 00:03:51.199 --> 00:03:53.840 watching the whole thing, I mean, I don't know. It 67 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:56.919 hasn't been as many times as I think. So it 68 00:03:57.039 --> 00:03:59.520 was cool to go start it from the beginning last 69 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:03.080 night and get reacquainted. Well, hey, we're about to watch 70 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:03.479 it again. 71 00:04:03.680 --> 00:04:06.240 So, folks, if you want to watch Tron with us, 72 00:04:06.319 --> 00:04:09.319 this is the nineteen eighty two original, you're welcome to 73 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.960 do that. Otherwise, we'll try to keep our conversation interesting enough, 74 00:04:13.240 --> 00:04:17.240 hopefully to keep you engaged, and we'll suck you in, 75 00:04:17.439 --> 00:04:20.319 just like the MCP does to poor Ole Kevin Flynn. 76 00:04:20.839 --> 00:04:25.040 Right, and we're gonna hit play in just a second, 77 00:04:25.079 --> 00:04:26.639 so we'll do the usual thing. One two to three 78 00:04:26.720 --> 00:04:29.480 plate Brian, you're ready to go, I'm ready. All right, 79 00:04:29.560 --> 00:04:33.480 let's do this. So here we go, one two three plate. 80 00:04:36.360 --> 00:04:36.399 A. 81 00:04:36.920 --> 00:04:41.120 Right, So I have to say when we talk about 82 00:04:41.399 --> 00:04:46.639 sense memory, this opening sequence here where we see this 83 00:04:46.839 --> 00:04:50.879 little pattern here in the construction of Tron man the 84 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:53.519 process where it comes together in that note as the 85 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:56.879 Tron logo comes up, it pulls me right back. 86 00:04:57.360 --> 00:05:00.439 Oh yeah, yeah, I think I had this aped off 87 00:05:00.480 --> 00:05:03.160 of TV when I was a kid. Like this makes 88 00:05:03.240 --> 00:05:06.759 me think of Saturday Afternoon Fox thirty two, you know, 89 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:13.279 in Chicago, and I remember just being dazzled by I 90 00:05:13.319 --> 00:05:15.560 mean this, this is sort of a brief thing here 91 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:19.639 of computer graphics we're seeing, but when Flynn is brought 92 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:21.759 into the computer world and we go through that almost 93 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:25.279 like two thousand and one Stargate style sequels. Oh yeah, sure. Oh, 94 00:05:25.399 --> 00:05:28.120 I mean that was dazzling to me as a kid, 95 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:33.120 and I remember watching that a lot. You know, It's 96 00:05:33.279 --> 00:05:35.240 why I have several things I want to say. But 97 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:40.560 did you know that there was apparently a prologue to 98 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:45.199 this movie in theaters that kind of explained the world. 99 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:49.680 Yeah, well, my understanding is that was in international releases, 100 00:05:49.759 --> 00:05:52.199 and it was definitely on international home video releases. 101 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:55.120 Yeah. Yeah. I was reading a bunch of different things, 102 00:05:55.160 --> 00:05:57.399 and I was reading two different prologues, so I don't 103 00:05:57.399 --> 00:05:59.439 know if they were different in different ways. 104 00:06:00.639 --> 00:06:05.839 I remember when I was living overseas, so by way backstory, 105 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:09.040 when my family moved to Saudi Arabia, we took a 106 00:06:09.120 --> 00:06:14.480 bunch of movies with us. My my my uncle had 107 00:06:14.519 --> 00:06:19.040 a whole collection of movies that he duped to it. Actually, 108 00:06:19.199 --> 00:06:21.759 my cousin Samsa and Harris, they listened to the show 109 00:06:22.120 --> 00:06:24.959 we got movies from their dad, and so Tron was 110 00:06:25.000 --> 00:06:28.360 among them. We had This and Star Wars and Superman 111 00:06:28.480 --> 00:06:30.720 and the black hole, like all the stuff that was 112 00:06:30.800 --> 00:06:34.279 really like my formative you know, yeah, wow, okay, the 113 00:06:34.519 --> 00:06:37.759 wet cement, if you will. So we had we had, 114 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:40.319 you know, the American release of Tron that we took 115 00:06:40.399 --> 00:06:43.439 with us, and then over there I happened to see 116 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:45.399 somebody else's copy and it starts with a thing. 117 00:06:45.480 --> 00:06:48.439 It's like, this is the story of two worlds. One 118 00:06:48.560 --> 00:06:50.680 world is our world, the real world one the other 119 00:06:50.759 --> 00:06:53.160 world is a world of programs and whatever. And I 120 00:06:53.319 --> 00:06:55.199 was like eight or something when I saw that, I 121 00:06:55.279 --> 00:06:56.920 was like, I get it, guys, I don't think you need. 122 00:06:56.879 --> 00:06:57.160 To do it. 123 00:06:57.600 --> 00:07:01.279 Even that's funny, you know, but I very distinctly remember 124 00:07:01.319 --> 00:07:03.879 seeing that and being finding it off putting. 125 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:06.319 You know, yeah, that's funny. Because yeah, then I guess 126 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:09.240 there was some card that also said kind of it ended. 127 00:07:09.519 --> 00:07:11.800 The last card said on the other side of the screen. 128 00:07:12.319 --> 00:07:14.360 That's when we get that moment at the beginning where 129 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:18.800 we see the light cycle. That's right game. I just 130 00:07:18.839 --> 00:07:20.920 find that's interesting. And then apparently there was there was 131 00:07:21.000 --> 00:07:24.399 two prologus, and again it might have been according to 132 00:07:24.480 --> 00:07:28.319 region or something, but one of them got into you know, 133 00:07:28.439 --> 00:07:30.800 every time we renew our driver's license or pay our 134 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:34.360 telephone bills. Each of us is left. A little bit 135 00:07:34.399 --> 00:07:39.439 of each of us is left within the computer. Just interesting. 136 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:43.040 I well that was the other thing too, is I 137 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:48.959 had forgotten. I remember that these were programs, but I 138 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:52.399 guess I wasn't really thinking of what it meant. I 139 00:07:52.560 --> 00:07:55.519 just remember the aesthetic of the movie, most of them all. 140 00:07:55.920 --> 00:07:58.199 And I do wonder if in nineteen eighty two. 141 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.959 Quick, Brian, before this has seen end here and point. 142 00:08:02.040 --> 00:08:04.560 First of all, the actor that Ram is talking to, 143 00:08:04.680 --> 00:08:07.120 that's the guy play the guy Ram is talking to. 144 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:10.680 His name is crom That's Peter Jurassic who ten years 145 00:08:10.720 --> 00:08:13.079 later was one of the regulars on Babylon five with 146 00:08:13.240 --> 00:08:17.120 Bruce box Lightner. Ah, but more interesting to me on 147 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:19.399 this rewatch. I didn't realize that that's the guy who 148 00:08:19.519 --> 00:08:24.519 Flynn does the ring game with, right, yeah, And so 149 00:08:25.160 --> 00:08:27.639 you know suddenly we're like, oh, we know that guy. 150 00:08:27.680 --> 00:08:30.480 We kind of like him, you know, oh totally yeah. Yeah, 151 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:33.759 so you feel a little more anyway, apology sorry continue, 152 00:08:33.759 --> 00:08:34.159 well no, no, no. 153 00:08:34.279 --> 00:08:39.080 Just yeah, sort of like humanizing these computer programs, and 154 00:08:39.399 --> 00:08:41.440 I had forgotten that, you know, they're like, oh yeah, 155 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:43.879 I'm gonna accounting program. I don't I don't even know 156 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:46.480 why I'm here. Yep, yeah, that whole thing. So it's 157 00:08:46.519 --> 00:08:49.440 like I was thinking about this, like imagining my you know, 158 00:08:49.559 --> 00:08:52.279 copy of Microsoft Word looking like me in there, just 159 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:54.960 being like, I don't understand we're in a little Neon suit, 160 00:08:55.200 --> 00:08:57.519 you know. Yeah. Yeah, And I would love if you know, 161 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:01.399 people use like bad grammar sentences and he like corrected them, 162 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:03.960 you know, his like spell check grammar check got kicked in. 163 00:09:04.240 --> 00:09:10.879 That'd be a fun personality quirk. This is incredible, I mean, still, 164 00:09:11.879 --> 00:09:14.080 the inside of this tank or whatever it is, this 165 00:09:14.240 --> 00:09:18.639 is just so gorgeous. The way they achieved these effects, 166 00:09:18.720 --> 00:09:25.519 which is largely not digital, right, No, it sounded pain 167 00:09:25.600 --> 00:09:27.279 I mean you're probably gonna talk about it, but it 168 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:31.240 sounded painstaking. Yeah, I mean it's nuts, you know, And 169 00:09:31.600 --> 00:09:36.600 it's remarkable because the way they visualized this world, and 170 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:41.919 it's partly Mobius the kind of artist, and partly Sidmeade 171 00:09:42.519 --> 00:09:46.840 the production artist, coming together with this unique aesthetic, which 172 00:09:47.639 --> 00:09:53.159 to me, you watch it, you know, forty plus years later, 173 00:09:53.879 --> 00:10:00.200 and it it stands completely apart. It's unlike anything else. Still, Yeah, 174 00:10:00.240 --> 00:10:02.639 I mean, even with the neon trim and the sort 175 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:06.600 of future tech lookie sort of thing that other people 176 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:09.639 have kind of adapted into their own works. Yeah. You 177 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:11.559 look at one frame from this film and you know 178 00:10:11.679 --> 00:10:12.639 exactly what it is. 179 00:10:13.480 --> 00:10:17.480 Yeah, And it got me thinking about how there's something 180 00:10:17.600 --> 00:10:22.840 remarkable about you can create something that is absolutely state 181 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:27.440 of the art, and then wait a couple of years 182 00:10:27.559 --> 00:10:31.759 and it starts looking kind of janky and dated, which 183 00:10:31.799 --> 00:10:35.639 I would argue is what happened with Tron. Like ten 184 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.200 years later you're like, oh, that's really dated, right, and 185 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:43.559 then it comes it goes from timely to out of 186 00:10:43.720 --> 00:10:45.120 time to timeless. 187 00:10:45.639 --> 00:10:48.679 Yeah. Yeah, and so we're fully on the other side 188 00:10:48.720 --> 00:10:52.080 of that now. I think it helps that it's leaning 189 00:10:52.159 --> 00:10:55.279 into the video gameness of it instead of trying to 190 00:10:55.360 --> 00:10:59.840 make these ships look anything other than a collection of blocks, 191 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:03.600 you know what I mean. So then it's like, oh, yeah, 192 00:11:03.600 --> 00:11:06.320 well this this is how it's supposed to look. It's 193 00:11:06.399 --> 00:11:10.279 not that it looks old. Yeah. Well, it's sort of like. 194 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:16.039 The world of the Grid is completely its own thing, right, 195 00:11:16.080 --> 00:11:20.039 So this isn't like a wreck at Ralph situation, right right, right, right, 196 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:24.480 Like it's not reliant on our familiarity with various ips, 197 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:24.759 you know. 198 00:11:26.840 --> 00:11:29.039 And then by the way, we see Clue there was 199 00:11:29.240 --> 00:11:31.799 yellow for a bit. That was the original intention to 200 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:33.600 have the good guys be yellow and the bad guys 201 00:11:33.679 --> 00:11:38.240 be blue. Interesting, and then they at one point switch 202 00:11:38.320 --> 00:11:40.399 that up, which I don't know why it is, but 203 00:11:40.480 --> 00:11:41.879 it just sort of makes sense. It's like, yeah, no, 204 00:11:42.000 --> 00:11:47.120 red bad. I think it's the the you know, the 205 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:49.320 good guys of the blue Lightsabers, the bad guys of 206 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:51.120 the red light Saber. That's exactly what I was going 207 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:57.759 to say. Yep, and the Star Wars is just apparent 208 00:11:58.200 --> 00:12:01.360 every which way in this movie. Right now, I should 209 00:12:01.360 --> 00:12:01.639 say this. 210 00:12:01.879 --> 00:12:05.399 I remember very distinctly the part where Clue gets de ress. 211 00:12:05.480 --> 00:12:06.720 I remember it scaring me when I. 212 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:11.799 Was yeah, because it's pretty horrifying. Yeah yeah. And then 213 00:12:11.919 --> 00:12:15.879 I can't remember the character's name, but the elder program 214 00:12:16.000 --> 00:12:21.000 who's sort of like a face, yeah, but also part machine, 215 00:12:21.039 --> 00:12:23.360 and he's swiveling around toward the end. Something about that 216 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:27.519 like really unnerved me. I don't know, like, yeah, well, 217 00:12:27.559 --> 00:12:29.799 it's like like human had been taken over by a machine. 218 00:12:29.840 --> 00:12:34.399 I know that's not what it is, but it's it's yeah. Yeah, 219 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:37.240 this right here, I remember is creeping me out. Yeah, 220 00:12:40.559 --> 00:12:45.720 this is crazy. By the way, this helicopter yep, right, 221 00:12:45.799 --> 00:12:50.960 I read that they used like three M tape to 222 00:12:51.120 --> 00:12:54.639 do that, and I thought this would look amazing now, right. 223 00:12:55.799 --> 00:12:57.480 I was kind of shocked when I saw it. It 224 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:01.720 looked too cool and good for something. This whole sort 225 00:13:01.759 --> 00:13:04.840 of it looks like, yeah, a Neon style trim on 226 00:13:04.960 --> 00:13:10.679 this helicopter, but it's just reflective tape. Amazing, that's and 227 00:13:11.120 --> 00:13:14.519 it's very distinctive, and I like how it it blurs 228 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:17.320 the line between the world of the grid and the 229 00:13:17.360 --> 00:13:18.120 real world. Right. 230 00:13:18.200 --> 00:13:22.279 I think that's the one thing I remember watching this 231 00:13:22.480 --> 00:13:24.200 movie at a very young age, and I have to 232 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:28.799 imagine that this was at least some factor in my 233 00:13:29.000 --> 00:13:31.120 not wanting to work in a cubicle. 234 00:13:32.240 --> 00:13:35.080 Especially that one shot where it looks like, yeah, that one. 235 00:13:35.039 --> 00:13:37.720 Match shot that goes just way down in the distance, 236 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:38.919 just a sea of cubes, you know. 237 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:43.360 Yeah, yeah, like no, thanks. Well, they said that they 238 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.799 intentionally chose this view out the window with the la 239 00:13:48.240 --> 00:13:52.240 you know, city scape because it looks like sort of 240 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:57.799 like a computer grid, interesting like circuitry. Yeah. And then 241 00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:01.679 this I was curious about this too, This desk where 242 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:05.879 you see you know, like a keypad light up keypad 243 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:08.360 and the messaging and apparently that was done with rear 244 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:12.200 projection from under the desk. Well, and there was nothing 245 00:14:12.399 --> 00:14:16.320 like that at the time. Yeah. Yeah, and yet now 246 00:14:16.519 --> 00:14:19.799 we're like, no, that's we have that now, totally totally 247 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:23.080 touch pads. Yeah, yeah, essentially. And it's funny though. I 248 00:14:23.240 --> 00:14:25.840 was thinking when he was using the keypad that when 249 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:28.000 in the middle of the day, when you're not using 250 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:29.639 it as a keypad, you would just see nothing but 251 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:34.360 finger smudges all of your desk. That's so true. And 252 00:14:34.480 --> 00:14:37.279 I was like, eh, so I were only in here 253 00:14:37.320 --> 00:14:42.480 at night, I guess. Yeah. By the way, I have 254 00:14:42.559 --> 00:14:46.960 to say, this version that we're looking at that's available 255 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:50.720 for streaming is stunning. Oh, it's amazing. Yeah yeah. I 256 00:14:50.799 --> 00:14:55.080 mean I remember this movie looking aged, you know, and 257 00:14:55.240 --> 00:14:57.679 which makes sense it is older and whatever. But it's 258 00:14:57.759 --> 00:14:59.559 just amazing what they can do now and how they 259 00:14:59.600 --> 00:15:03.679 can restore these films because it looks very filmic still, right, 260 00:15:04.000 --> 00:15:07.879 but it just looks so crisp and sharp and beautiful. Yeah, 261 00:15:07.919 --> 00:15:12.039 they've they've done right by this movie. Yes, in terms 262 00:15:12.080 --> 00:15:12.799 of the restorations. 263 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:15.960 I mean, I remember when the DVD came out. We're 264 00:15:15.960 --> 00:15:19.080 talking two thousand and two, I believe. Yeah, we've been 265 00:15:19.120 --> 00:15:20.759 for the twentie anniversary and they did a nice job, 266 00:15:20.799 --> 00:15:24.639 and then the Blu ray in twenty eleven, and you know, 267 00:15:25.039 --> 00:15:27.519 at every step of the process, they've really. 268 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:31.360 Worked to preserve the essence of the movie. 269 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:31.600 You know. 270 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:36.000 Yeah, Yeah, it's it's worth calling out because a lot 271 00:15:36.039 --> 00:15:39.279 of times people overcorrect, that's right, and they try to 272 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:42.919 smooth everything out to the point where it just looks whack. 273 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:46.200 People look waxy. Yeah, you know, but this I thought 274 00:15:46.240 --> 00:15:51.759 this was a stunning restoration. Bruce Boxeitner like full on 275 00:15:52.200 --> 00:15:56.360 Christopher Reeve as Clark Kent. Yeah, right, with the I 276 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:58.120 didn't even think of it that way. Yeah, with the glasses. 277 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:01.360 He's comically oversized class that's so funny. 278 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:05.279 The one thing you got to say about this movie, 279 00:16:05.320 --> 00:16:07.360 and it really stuck out to me on rewatch, is 280 00:16:07.440 --> 00:16:12.639 like Tront himself not that interesting a character, being honest. 281 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:18.679 Totally right. Yeah, I mean back, I have revisited this 282 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.080 since my childhood. But if I hadn't seen it since 283 00:16:21.120 --> 00:16:22.639 then and you asked me now, I would have thought 284 00:16:22.679 --> 00:16:25.639 Tron was probably Jeff Bridges because he's a more dynamic, 285 00:16:26.240 --> 00:16:32.440 Yeah character, it's interesting because the story is situated as 286 00:16:32.480 --> 00:16:38.240 such that that Flynn is our POV character. Yes, but 287 00:16:39.679 --> 00:16:42.159 you know he has more of an arc. Well, he 288 00:16:42.320 --> 00:16:46.840 has an arc Tron does not, you know. And and 289 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:49.159 I mean Bruce box Lightner is just one of these 290 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.159 like classically heroic. I mean he's got like a face 291 00:16:52.279 --> 00:16:56.440 chiseled out of granite, you know, a classical hero. I 292 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:58.639 just wish they gave I wish they gave his character 293 00:16:58.720 --> 00:16:59.960 more to do. I mean it's kind of a bummer 294 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:04.240 that even in the sequel, like his character most important 295 00:17:04.279 --> 00:17:08.599 character development happens off camera. Interesting. See that's the thing too. 296 00:17:08.720 --> 00:17:11.279 I don't remember the sequel. I haven't seen it since 297 00:17:11.279 --> 00:17:14.240 it came out, but I do plan on watching it 298 00:17:14.480 --> 00:17:16.279 now that I've seen this, and with the new one 299 00:17:16.319 --> 00:17:18.759 coming out. Yeah yeah, I don't even remember how they 300 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:20.480 further the story. To be honest, Well, in that case, 301 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:25.799 I just won't I won't say. But yeah, I mean 302 00:17:27.200 --> 00:17:30.519 it's funny. I was like, oh, I forgot that there's 303 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:33.000 kind of like a Wizard of Oz element, you know, 304 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:36.079 where you're seeing actors played two characters. But I mean 305 00:17:36.079 --> 00:17:40.880 it's not the same because thought I had that thought too. Yeah, yeah, 306 00:17:41.599 --> 00:17:44.799 And That is kind of cool though, the idea that 307 00:17:45.519 --> 00:17:49.160 the user who either interacts or created the program has 308 00:17:49.240 --> 00:17:52.480 imprinted a bit of themselves onto it, so we see 309 00:17:52.480 --> 00:17:54.079 that personified. See. 310 00:17:54.400 --> 00:17:57.319 My thought though, is like, well, people write multiple programs, right, 311 00:17:57.400 --> 00:17:59.880 so it'd be funny. Sure, multiple people look the same, 312 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:02.039 but like one of them has like a funny mustache on, 313 00:18:02.200 --> 00:18:05.160 one of thee has like, you know, like a mohawk. 314 00:18:05.240 --> 00:18:08.519 But it's all the same person, right, just to differentiate, 315 00:18:08.640 --> 00:18:08.839 you know. 316 00:18:09.279 --> 00:18:12.079 Right, right right, It would be funny. Now that there's 317 00:18:12.119 --> 00:18:14.440 so many more programs and they're so silly, I mean, 318 00:18:14.480 --> 00:18:16.319 even just like an AD blocker or something, it would 319 00:18:16.319 --> 00:18:18.200 just be interesting to see those things personified. See, I 320 00:18:18.240 --> 00:18:22.480 see it like multiplicity, you know, Michael, exactly exactly. Yeah. 321 00:18:24.880 --> 00:18:26.799 One of them is wearing boxer shorts on his head, 322 00:18:26.880 --> 00:18:32.319 like just just different. Yeah right right, I'm flappy Bird, 323 00:18:32.480 --> 00:18:40.480 remember me? You know? Oh yeah, just too many of 324 00:18:40.519 --> 00:18:40.960 them now. 325 00:18:46.559 --> 00:18:50.279 Yeah, this this whole conceit of the of the matter 326 00:18:50.480 --> 00:18:53.839 transmitter thing, Like I I love the movie shorthand it's like, 327 00:18:53.880 --> 00:18:55.759 oh yeah, we can do this thing. And there's the 328 00:18:55.839 --> 00:18:58.559 orange and now it's there and and you know, you 329 00:18:58.720 --> 00:19:00.200 just roll with it. Certainly as a kid, you just 330 00:19:00.279 --> 00:19:03.279 roll with it, but like the implications are staggering. 331 00:19:04.359 --> 00:19:07.720 I actually I was like, wait, what's happening, Like it's 332 00:19:07.759 --> 00:19:11.799 putting the particles into the laser, but then it's like 333 00:19:12.079 --> 00:19:19.279 reassembling them inside a computer or what. So mine now exists? Well, no, 334 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:24.359 it's it's data. It's it's data. Yeah, So it's in essence, 335 00:19:24.400 --> 00:19:28.079 it's like a transporter from Star Trek. Okay, So it 336 00:19:28.480 --> 00:19:32.240 takes your your image, it transit it, it translates you 337 00:19:32.279 --> 00:19:34.920 into data, and then it stores you. I mean the 338 00:19:34.960 --> 00:19:38.000 amount of data that would be required would be astronomical, right, 339 00:19:38.319 --> 00:19:40.599 and they can reassembly you. So in essence, again, it's 340 00:19:40.640 --> 00:19:43.519 like a transporter. Yeah, yeah, which I mean, yeah, it's 341 00:19:43.599 --> 00:19:44.400 it's I get it. 342 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:47.880 Like it doesn't matter that that's just an orange right. 343 00:19:48.000 --> 00:19:50.559 That is life altering What just happened there? 344 00:19:50.759 --> 00:19:51.559 Yes? Right? 345 00:19:52.000 --> 00:19:54.920 Right, Like that changes all notions of what we know 346 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:56.519 about the world. But it's kind of like, hey, here's 347 00:19:56.559 --> 00:19:59.240 this thing, and Alan's like hey neat, So anyway, what 348 00:19:59.279 --> 00:19:59.799 are you doing later? 349 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:10.640 Right? Right? Right? Yeah? Yeah? I was thinking of like, 350 00:20:11.720 --> 00:20:14.200 would you want to introduce an element where it seems 351 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:16.480 a little more dangerous, like you see the orange explode, 352 00:20:17.400 --> 00:20:19.440 It's like, well, it's just experimental. We're not sure if 353 00:20:19.440 --> 00:20:21.000 we can get it to work. But then the first 354 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:22.279 time on him, But then I'm like, maybe that's just 355 00:20:22.319 --> 00:20:27.079 too many. I think the problem there is that's not 356 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:29.799 what the story is about, right, Like, yeah, yeah, I 357 00:20:30.640 --> 00:20:32.920 realize I'm thinking of Honey, I shrunk the Kids, which. 358 00:20:32.759 --> 00:20:35.559 Is yeah, because ultimately, all you're trying to do is 359 00:20:35.680 --> 00:20:38.000 seed the thing that lets us get to the thing 360 00:20:38.079 --> 00:20:43.279 that we want to see. Yeah, no, no, right, So 361 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:46.880 Cindy Morgan, she was also on a show called Bring 362 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:49.200 Him Back Alive with the Bruce Box Lightner. 363 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:54.440 Oh funny, right around this time. Actually, she was also 364 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:57.200 in Caddyshack, right, she was in Caddy Shack, that's right. 365 00:20:57.519 --> 00:20:57.720 Yeah. 366 00:20:57.799 --> 00:21:00.559 Yeah, she passed away a couple of years ago. Yeah, 367 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:04.240 I remember that. Yeah, it was really sad. Yeah, it was. 368 00:21:07.039 --> 00:21:09.920 This summer, by the way, was just bananas. I mean, 369 00:21:10.720 --> 00:21:13.039 this is the summer of eighty two in terms of 370 00:21:13.480 --> 00:21:16.400 the movies that were released that year. I mean it 371 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:21.039 was just like hitters week after week. This this movie 372 00:21:21.079 --> 00:21:25.079 had the misfortune of sort of coming out close enough 373 00:21:25.200 --> 00:21:28.519 to e t that it that it sort of got 374 00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:30.119 you know, people chose that one instead. 375 00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:31.960 You know, well that's kind of the problem. I mean, 376 00:21:32.359 --> 00:21:36.480 Disney originally was going to release this around Christmas time. 377 00:21:36.559 --> 00:21:38.240 It was gonna be a holiday one. Yeah. Yeah, but 378 00:21:38.319 --> 00:21:40.160 then when they found out that Don Bluth was putting 379 00:21:40.160 --> 00:21:43.759 out The Secret of Nim in July, you know, they 380 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:46.640 were like, well, we got to go against Don Bluth 381 00:21:46.680 --> 00:21:48.279 because Don Bluth used to be a Disney guy, but 382 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:50.480 he ended up leaving to start his own He broke bad, 383 00:21:50.759 --> 00:21:52.680 He broke bad on Disney. Yeah, and he brought some 384 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:55.160 Disney people with him, so there was some bad blood there. 385 00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:57.680 So it's just funny that this was this release date 386 00:21:57.880 --> 00:22:00.960 was out of spite, but then ended up competing with 387 00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:03.759 like yeah, et Rathocon Poultrygeist. 388 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:07.960 Yeah, although it did it did do better than Secretive Nim, 389 00:22:08.200 --> 00:22:11.559 So there is there you go. Disney got their pyrrhic victory. 390 00:22:12.079 --> 00:22:15.720 Yeah. Well, also apparently it had a lack of marketing. 391 00:22:16.359 --> 00:22:17.759 I don't know if you read about this, but there 392 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:19.839 was sort of a Disney felt like they had a 393 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:22.039 way they do things and they'll build on word of 394 00:22:22.119 --> 00:22:24.279 mouth and they don't need to spend like et had, 395 00:22:24.400 --> 00:22:27.680 you know, ten million dollars in marketing and Annie and 396 00:22:27.839 --> 00:22:30.640 other movies, you know, big marketing campaigns. But Disney was like, no, no, no, no, 397 00:22:30.799 --> 00:22:32.720 we don't do that. And they spent for Disney. Damn 398 00:22:32.720 --> 00:22:39.119 it kind of and they let's see it says well, 399 00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:42.039 they spent less than five hundred thousand dollars, citing Walt 400 00:22:42.440 --> 00:22:45.640 Walt Disney's adage that the only publicity worth the money 401 00:22:45.759 --> 00:22:49.240