Speaker 1: Today, I'm Always watching. We're talking about Lanterns Episode one. Yeah,
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Speaker 2: My name is Matthew Carroll and I'm Jay Scotty Saint Clair.
Speaker 1: What's up, Jay Scott, Jay Scotty, Saint Clair. I was
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Speaker 2: I'll take it.
Speaker 1: Oh man, what'd you think of Lantern's Bud.
Speaker 2: I gotta say I was all along the way whenever
Speaker 2: we first heard about this series. I was excited for it,
Speaker 2: but I was always kind of holding it at arms length.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's my reception to the
Speaker 2: DCU at large or what have you, but I gotta
Speaker 2: say I came away from this premiere just so so impressed,
Speaker 2: so encouraged. Right off the bat. This series has automatically
Speaker 2: sunk its teeth into me, and I'm just so excited
Speaker 2: to be watching the show and covering the show with you,
Speaker 2: because I know when we do these podcasts like this,
Speaker 2: it really affords the opportunity to deep dive and theorize.
Speaker 2: And with Damon Lindall off out the helmet shouldn't be
Speaker 2: a surprise. But again, I was just I knew I
Speaker 2: was going to like this show, but to the degree
Speaker 2: that I was impressed with the premiere here, I'm a
Speaker 2: little pleasantly surprised here. That's awesome.
Speaker 1: You think I liked it a lot. All the actors
Speaker 1: are so good, and I'm intrigued by the plot line.
Speaker 1: I think if I had to do like a quick
Speaker 1: one sentence review, I liked it really intriguing, good, but
Speaker 1: a little slow for me.
Speaker 2: The first episode a little slow. I can understand that.
Speaker 2: I can understand that for sure.
Speaker 1: I don't alted because I know the vibe they're going for,
Speaker 1: and they're going for a very adult vibe that like
Speaker 1: fits in in the True Detective vein They've they've talked
Speaker 1: about true to how it's like True Detective, and I
Speaker 1: almost felt like they were going for that too much, whereas,
Speaker 1: like the concept here is so fanciful that I kind
Speaker 1: of wanted them to lean a little bit more into like, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the the it could have been a little
Speaker 1: more fun. I think there are moments it could have
Speaker 1: been more fun. And uh, Okay, I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: saying that that's doesn't anything doesn't have to be fun,
Speaker 1: but like I was kind of like, Okay, there's the
Speaker 1: the scene where he gets beat up is so good
Speaker 1: and it was so set up well, and then they
Speaker 1: decided to have a separate character moment where he's getting
Speaker 1: uh kind of talked to by the by the by
Speaker 1: missus Macon, and like I was watching, I was like,
Speaker 1: this should be the moment where he's getting beat up. Two,
Speaker 1: I got a pair of roller skates while John Stewart
Speaker 1: drinks and enjoys it, you know it enjoys him getting
Speaker 1: to Like it was a perfectly set up joke and
Speaker 1: like moment, and instead they like decided to have like
Speaker 1: a kind of serious romance conversation up front, and I
Speaker 1: was just kind of like, right, you're doing too much
Speaker 1: to avoid fun almost like that was a it was
Speaker 1: a joke set up to be a joke, Like lean
Speaker 1: into it, and I understand it's just like a different style,
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, I would it's the DCU. It's such
Speaker 1: a departure from James Gunn, which is like, sure, even
Speaker 1: in a serious moment, he's trying to be funny, and
Speaker 1: then this is so serious even when a moment lends
Speaker 1: itself to a good, poppy kind of joke, that I
Speaker 1: just I felt a little underserved by the slowness of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I feel that, And I don't disagree
Speaker 2: with you. I think there were more opportunities for Levity
Speaker 2: and I actually kind of really like your rewright there.
Speaker 2: But I did given that this is the premiere, it
Speaker 2: didn't surprise me all that much. It's it's not rubbing
Speaker 2: me the wrong way. At this point. It was few
Speaker 2: and far between in terms of, like, you know, moments
Speaker 2: for levity and comedy. But it did make the moments
Speaker 2: that they did have really land for me, Like right
Speaker 2: off the bat, just like that that sequence where hal
Speaker 2: Founds finds out that John slept with Will Macon's wife Zoe.
Speaker 2: That was hilarious. Just never you think about that reveal
Speaker 2: was and I think it was because everything had been
Speaker 2: so kind of rot and serious up until that point
Speaker 2: that it made that moment really land for me. I
Speaker 2: was laughing out loud and that's that's rare for me
Speaker 2: and TV.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I completely agree. That was a really funny moment.
Speaker 1: And like I, like I said, it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be funny. It's not a funny show. Like, they're not
Speaker 1: going for that, They're going for True Detective. And I
Speaker 1: really I feel bad I'm complaining because I'm really not
Speaker 1: trying to do. I really love there's there's things I
Speaker 1: really liked. I want to get into that, but like
Speaker 1: I just think I think they're going for True Detective
Speaker 1: vibe almost too deliberately. And True Detective is such a
Speaker 1: singular thing. This first season of that show is so singular,
Speaker 1: and it's so much about those two actors and the
Speaker 1: way that they as human beings are interacting. And like
Speaker 1: Matthew McConaughey and oh gosh, thank you, I am so
Speaker 1: so terrible Woody Harrelson's name.
Speaker 2: I can never come up with it. I don't know
Speaker 2: why talented actor.
Speaker 1: Oh have you heard the not really conspiracy theory, but
Speaker 1: the theory that they're brothers. No, apparently their mom their
Speaker 1: moms dated the same musician around the same time when
Speaker 1: they were both born, and both their moms aren't sure
Speaker 1: who the father is and they and then later in life,
Speaker 1: as they got to know each other, they realized how
Speaker 1: similar they were and they got to talk it and
Speaker 1: realized they had this connection and their their moms dated
Speaker 1: the same guy, and they think they.
Speaker 2: Might be brothers, but they don't know.
Speaker 1: And like, dude, if you watch them in interviews like
Speaker 1: talk back and forth, they act and sound like brothers.
Speaker 1: And it's crazy that I found that fascinating. But I
Speaker 1: don't think and I hate to say this, this is
Speaker 1: the meanest thing I'm gonna say about the show.
Speaker 2: Get it out now. I don't think that.
Speaker 1: Kyle Chandler and Aaron Pierre can hold a candle to
Speaker 1: that true detective vibe. Unfortunately, I think they're both great.
Speaker 1: They're both really great gets for the DC Universe and
Speaker 1: for a DC Universe television show. I love them for this,
Speaker 1: but they're like almost trying too hard to mimic this
Speaker 1: style that was so singular and like I knew that
Speaker 1: they were saying it was true detective like, but I
Speaker 1: felt moments that I was like this long slow car ride.
Speaker 1: It would be compelling if the actor was doing more.
Speaker 1: But Aaron Pierre, he's playing it very flat because he's
Speaker 1: trying to be a he's drawing, he's doing a lot
Speaker 1: of the things that Matthew McConaughey was doing, but he's
Speaker 1: not being as kooky or as strange. He doesn't have
Speaker 1: all the he doesn't have the magnetism that Matthew McConaughey
Speaker 1: brought to that performance, and like Aaron Pierre instead is
Speaker 1: just playing it very flat. And I think it's gonna
Speaker 1: get more interesting, I really do. But like it's on,
Speaker 1: I really do feel like they're going for a vibe
Speaker 1: that the show is not suited to necessarily and that
Speaker 1: the show hasn't isn't pulling off like it wants to.
Speaker 1: And I'm trying to forget that it's doing that because
Speaker 1: I can't unsee it.
Speaker 2: But to be fair, that wasn't all that mean when
Speaker 2: you said this is the meanest thing you're gonna say
Speaker 2: about the show, though I was expected.
Speaker 1: Saying Kyle Chandler and Aaron Pierre aren't able to pull
Speaker 1: off what those two did, And I just think that's
Speaker 1: kind of mean. I don't normally like to say thing's
Speaker 1: bad things about actors because you never know what's their fault,
Speaker 1: and what's not. Actors have very little control, so I
Speaker 1: very rarely will say an unkind word about an actor.
Speaker 1: But like I think Colin Chandler and airpr are, but
Speaker 1: they're not Woody Harrelson and Matthew McConaughey. They're just not
Speaker 1: totally fair, totally fair.
Speaker 2: And while I do feel like this series, just with
Speaker 2: the premiere episode alone, is really delivering on that promise
Speaker 2: of like, you know, the bill of goods that was
Speaker 2: sold in terms of like this being true detective, but
Speaker 2: as much as that influence is there, I found myself
Speaker 2: again to use the terminology, pleasantly surprised. I went into
Speaker 2: this expecting true Detective, and I was surprised how much
Speaker 2: I came away with Fargo season five. And I love
Speaker 2: the show Fargo, but like just how much it had
Speaker 2: in common with Fargo season five in terms of being
Speaker 2: set in Nebraska, which is often a location that's featured
Speaker 2: in Fargo, if not the movie the TV series itself,
Speaker 2: but the fact that you have like this military compound
Speaker 2: with the militia, where this questionable figurehead that's like, you know,
Speaker 2: is he operating within the law or outside the laws?
Speaker 2: He and isolationists and nationalists of some kind. So I
Speaker 2: was able to compartmentalize the comparisons to True Detective a
Speaker 2: little bit with my my kind of glee how much
Speaker 2: there was to kind of glom onto, like, Oh, this
Speaker 2: feels like Fargo. That's funny.
Speaker 1: But I had the same thought, and I kept thinking,
Speaker 1: I wish that was the tone, Like this is so
Speaker 1: similar to Fargo, right that I wish the tone had a.
Speaker 2: Little bit more that Fargo humor, which is like.
Speaker 1: Absurdist, and it's such an absurdist situation that like, I
Speaker 1: feel like it could have easily built used that absurdity
Speaker 1: of everything.
Speaker 2: Going on to be to be funnier.
Speaker 1: And I hate I hate being like, this isn't the
Speaker 1: kind of show I want, because that's not a good criticism.
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of it just right now.
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't think they're nailing what they're going for,
Speaker 1: So I keep like looking for this other thing, and
Speaker 1: I think I kept thinking about Fargo for the same
Speaker 1: reasons you did. It really does have a lot of
Speaker 1: elements of fift season five of Fargo, and I was like,
Speaker 1: why why isn't there someone using kind of funny language
Speaker 1: like Fargo or like saying things in a kitchy way
Speaker 1: that like lands in the ear funny. Even on non
Speaker 1: funny scenes, Fargo has this way of like always.
Speaker 2: Being fun to watch. You know.
Speaker 1: Sure, there's just certain scenes in this that aren't fun
Speaker 1: to watch. They're just like long driving scenes where Aaron
Speaker 1: Pierre is staring out the front of the car.
Speaker 2: And I was just like, right, the bubble wrap thing
Speaker 2: was funny.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I gotta stop talking about the one thing I
Speaker 1: don't like because I do like other things in the show.
Speaker 2: No, you're good. I'm kind of glad you keep kind
Speaker 2: of harping on that because it brings back to mind
Speaker 2: the point that I was going to make, because ultimately
Speaker 2: I do agree with you. I don't think I'm being
Speaker 2: quite as harsh on the series right out of the gate.
Speaker 2: I'm kind of, you know, reserving judgment, and I do
Speaker 2: think it was a great premiere. But I do agree
Speaker 2: with you in terms of like the chemistry between Aaron
Speaker 2: Pierre and Kyle Chandler. I think that's something that is
Speaker 2: going to be earned as the series goes along. But
Speaker 2: as far as the performances go. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that you said this, but I was really really delighted
Speaker 2: with Kyle Chandler, in particular his performance, just the how
Speaker 2: much he leaned into the like grizzled and kind of unlikable,
Speaker 2: kind of selfish machiesmo that he's doing there. But Aaron Pierre,
Speaker 2: I kind of agree with you, and it's not a
Speaker 2: fault of the actor, it's just kind of the material
Speaker 2: that's being given to him. But at this point in time,
Speaker 2: I think he really is supposed to be, like we
Speaker 2: kind of ex sult in the opening sequence, which I
Speaker 2: think is very telling of like what is the story
Speaker 2: that this series is trying to tell? And I think
Speaker 2: this is going to be a John story much more
Speaker 2: than it's going to be a How story ultimately, because
Speaker 2: we start with John watching How on the TV, and
Speaker 2: where does that transition to a moment with his father?
Speaker 2: And I was just so conflicted with that moment with
Speaker 2: his father because it's so disturbing and traumatizing the fact
Speaker 2: that his father, you know, it's the classic story of
Speaker 2: William Tell But again, like he asked that question, do
Speaker 2: you have fear? Which is definitely going to be a
Speaker 2: through line for this series as well, But the fact
Speaker 2: that his father shoots the apple off his head and
Speaker 2: he the first thing he has is a smile, and
Speaker 2: it's a warm embrace. And then we flash forward to
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen where Hal has effectively done the same thing,
Speaker 2: put him in a moment where it's like, hey, do
Speaker 2: or die? What are you going to do here? And
Speaker 2: he comes out on the other side and the first
Speaker 2: person he calls is his dad. So I was expecting,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, Hal has this relationship with his
Speaker 2: father where he lost his father early and pines for
Speaker 2: his father. I thought John was going to be the opposite,
Speaker 2: where he has a lot of resentment towards father, but no,
Speaker 2: he still holds his father with this respect. In this regard,
Speaker 2: I think that's going to be translated onto how and
Speaker 2: this is going to be a story of like, you know,
Speaker 2: hero worship is unhealthy. To quote SpongeBob for my millennial
Speaker 2: you know, younger millennial, mid millennial listeners out there that
Speaker 2: are with me, there's an episode of SpongeBob where he
Speaker 2: basically idolizes a jelly fishing champion that's a c cucumber.
Speaker 2: But that's the story. You know, hero worship is unhealthy. SpongeBob,
Speaker 2: don't worship your heroes, Don't Meet your heroes, And honestly,
Speaker 2: this is you know this episode one was not given
Speaker 2: a subtitle, but I kind of paused or checked halfway
Speaker 2: through the episode to see does this have a subtitle,
Speaker 2: and I was kind of expecting it to be Don't
Speaker 2: Meet your Heroes or something like, hmmm.
Speaker 1: Well, I definitely think you're right, and I'm glad we
Speaker 1: I'm glad we touched on the three main influences of
Speaker 1: this show, uh, far Ago, True Detective, and SpongeBob.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, like the three that this show's really
Speaker 1: pulling from.
Speaker 2: That's that's Linda for you.
Speaker 1: I feel like the bubble wrap thing is not too
Speaker 1: far off, like it's very that is a very SpongeBob joke.
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, oh man, I I really, I totally agree
Speaker 1: with you. And I think part of the story they're
Speaker 1: telling for I think is John Stewart isn't being honest.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, I think he. I think he is fearful.
Speaker 1: I think he was fearful as a kid. Your dad's
Speaker 1: aiming a gun at you, You're fearful. I think he's
Speaker 1: been repressing his fear. He's been taught to repress who
Speaker 1: he is and repress his fear and like they keep
Speaker 1: asking him, are you annoying? Am I bothering you? He's Nope,
Speaker 1: I'm not mad. I respect him. He's not being truthful.
Speaker 1: He does not respect How. How is like, you know,
Speaker 1: a drunk and someone who doesn't seem to be like
Speaker 1: caring about his position, and like as the as the
Speaker 1: sheriff speaks of, like he's not fearless.
Speaker 2: He's lonely.
Speaker 1: He just doesn't care about anything. He doesn't have anything
Speaker 1: to care about, so he doesn't have anything to fear.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Sure, but that's not because he's fearless, because he's lonely.
Speaker 1: And I think that's really incisive. And I think that
Speaker 1: John Stewart has all these reasons to dislike How at
Speaker 1: this point, and all these reasons to be upset at him,
Speaker 1: and How keeps treating him poorly as his trainee and
Speaker 1: not doing enough for him to train him, and How
Speaker 1: just keeps John just keeps kind of eating it and
Speaker 1: just being like, Nope, I'm good. I respect the guy
Speaker 1: who I'm supposed to respect. I'm doing the thing and
Speaker 1: saying the thing I'm supposed to. And I wonder if
Speaker 1: we're gonna get the last episode. Here's my prediction of
Speaker 1: where all this is going. We're gonna get to the
Speaker 1: last moment of are you afraid? And he's not gonna
Speaker 1: say no. Either that or to have some transformation where
Speaker 1: he learns what fear is, what it means, and actually
Speaker 1: how to overcome it and not just ignore it, because
Speaker 1: I think right now he's just ignoring everything he feels
Speaker 1: and believe like everything he feels that is his reaction.
Speaker 1: He's bottling it up to please his father and to
Speaker 1: please this guy and to please the Lantern Core. He's
Speaker 1: like just trying to be the guy he's supposed to be.
Speaker 1: And I think as those walls break down a little bit,
Speaker 1: this episode would have been way more fun for sure,
Speaker 1: and probably more watchable if like John Stewart was actually
Speaker 1: pushing back. It's a tried and true, like comedy premise,
Speaker 1: not even comedy, just like action action adventure premise. To
Speaker 1: have two guys who don't get a lot, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean, Like they're butting heads and so having
Speaker 1: John Stewart and I think this is gonna be his
Speaker 1: journey to learn to feel his feelings and express them.
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna be a big part of it,
Speaker 1: but having him truncated like that makes the character seem
Speaker 1: uninteresting and makes the relationship seem not real. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna get there. I think it's the journey.
Speaker 1: So I'm not like, like you said, I'm reserving judgment
Speaker 1: on that. I think that's on purpose. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's a bad thing.
Speaker 2: It's just true.
Speaker 1: It is part of what I'm sensing when I'm sensing
Speaker 1: that lack of character to the show and that lack
Speaker 1: of connection between the two mains, is that that's his
Speaker 1: that is his character. He's he's reserved. He's not fearful,
Speaker 1: he's not annoyed, he's.
Speaker 2: Not mad, you're late. He's just a cool guy who
Speaker 2: does what he's supposed to do right right, And you've
Speaker 2: got me wondering, Like, as the series goes along, I'm
Speaker 2: kind of suspecting that we're going to see how take
Speaker 2: more and more of a back seat as John takes
Speaker 2: over and becomes the character as it is his story,
Speaker 2: and maybe he'll get Aaron Pierre as the character, will
Speaker 2: get more opportunities to flesh that out and show a
Speaker 2: little more nuance and not be so stoic as I
Speaker 2: agree with you that he is right now, but and
Speaker 2: I may be stretching here, so bear with me. I
Speaker 2: know this is episode one, but one thing that kind
Speaker 2: of like dawned on me as I was watching this episode,
Speaker 2: and I love Green Lantern. He's one of my favorite characters. Now.
Speaker 2: I won't pretend to be have like an encyclopedic knowledge
Speaker 2: of the characters, you know, comic book history, but I
Speaker 2: feel like I'm pretty well versed. And one of the
Speaker 2: things that I've always kind of been curious about in
Speaker 2: terms of like the trajectory of the Green Lantern lore
Speaker 2: and the character is I think when he started out,
Speaker 2: like the convention, like the appeal of the character was
Speaker 2: like the superpower is imagination, like basically whatever you can
Speaker 2: imagine you can materialize with this ring. As it kind
Speaker 2: of went on and you establish the different you know,
Speaker 2: factions of the core, the Red Lanterns, the Yellow Lanterns,
Speaker 2: what have you, fear became such a much more strong element.
Speaker 2: It's not about you know this this this imagination. It's
Speaker 2: more about like do you have the willpower versus the fear?
Speaker 2: And I have to note when you know we have
Speaker 2: the very subtle title card a peer of lanterns. I
Speaker 2: did notice that the first color we see is yellow,
Speaker 2: a yellow light that kind of turns into a green.
Speaker 2: So I think you're right. I think as we've been
Speaker 2: kind of taught and you look at other franchises like
Speaker 2: Dune where it's like, you know, fear is the mind killer,
Speaker 2: you can't have fear. I think this is really saying that, like,
Speaker 2: no fear is okay, like fear is is like And
Speaker 2: I know Sinestra is going to be a part of
Speaker 2: this series and he's a he's famously a green lantern
Speaker 2: turned yellow lantern that embraced the fear. I think you're
Speaker 2: onto something there. I think it is going to be
Speaker 2: like how do we acknowledge the fear? Because something else
Speaker 2: that stuck out to me again to hop back to
Speaker 2: when John called his dad. It really resonated with me
Speaker 2: because it kind of stuck out, and I'll be completely
Speaker 2: honest at first blush, it kind of rubbed me the
Speaker 2: wrong way because I was like, eh, now, you know.
Speaker 2: But his father says to him in response to how
Speaker 2: trying to kill him, he says, they're allowed to have tantrums.
Speaker 2: You're not. We're not. And I was like oh, he's
Speaker 2: talking about white men versus black men like black men.
Speaker 2: And keep in mind this is twenty sixteen when the
Speaker 2: show is set, but there is you know, Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: going to try and speak with some eloquence and some
Speaker 2: wherewithal here. So forgive me if I say anything that
Speaker 2: my intentions are pure here. But there is the stereotype
Speaker 2: of like the angry black man. Right anytime a black
Speaker 2: man in voice voices injustice or something like that, it's like, oh,
Speaker 2: it's just the angry black man. So I think that's
Speaker 2: speaking to that, like they're allowed to have tantrums, you're not.
Speaker 2: But in my own life, you know, having been through
Speaker 2: some therapy and you know, exploring emotional intelligence and what
Speaker 2: that looks like. Anger is a secondary emotion and it's
Speaker 2: often attached to a core emotion like hurt or fear.
Speaker 2: So the fact that we're seeing this, you know John,
Speaker 2: who is so stoic, not willing to show any emotion
Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form, and I have to imagine,
Speaker 2: like with that line from his father, like they're allowed
Speaker 2: to have tantrums, we're not. Like I do think he's
Speaker 2: very angry on some level. And that's that's got to
Speaker 2: be attached to fear. So when he can, you know,
Speaker 2: acknowledge that fear, acknowledge that anger, I think he's going
Speaker 2: to become a fully fleshed out character that's ready to
Speaker 2: you know, join the DCU forthright and appear in Mana
Speaker 2: tomorrow here, And he's going to be a character that
Speaker 2: we're all really looking forward to see.
Speaker 1: I think the racial element of that is undeniably there.
Speaker 1: I also think his dad was a military man, and
Speaker 1: I think there's like the people above you can have
Speaker 1: tantrums towards you, but that rolls downhill.
Speaker 2: You can't have a tantrum back and absolutely, and this.
Speaker 1: Is your guy, who's who's your your commanding officer, the
Speaker 1: guy you're trying to join up with the forces. And
Speaker 1: like I when his dad did the gun thing at
Speaker 1: the beginning, was it specifically for the lanterns? Like was
Speaker 1: he doing the like are you afraid because of that
Speaker 1: story of the lanterns? Or was that so it was
Speaker 1: unclear unclear like four, Yeah, it felt like he and
Speaker 1: his father had some mutual understanding about like, hey, they're
Speaker 1: both fascinated with the lanterns. Because the first thing he
Speaker 1: asked when he walks through the door, like, are you
Speaker 1: gonna tell me what his name is? He knew that
Speaker 1: they were they were watching the TV, but yeah, unclear
Speaker 1: about like are you afraid where that was coming from?
Speaker 1: You know, that was something that how Jordan was asked
Speaker 1: or not that I don't know, And I mean, you're right,
Speaker 1: he's a military man.
Speaker 2: How Jordan was a military man? That might be something
Speaker 2: that he has privileged knowledge.
Speaker 1: Of, right, yeah, maybe what at the beginning remind me?
Speaker 1: At the beginning of Superman, they say three decades ago?
Speaker 1: Did it start with decades? When were the first a
Speaker 1: three hundred?
Speaker 2: Oh? Okay, three hundred years and thirty years ago Superman appeared? Oh? Yes, three?
Speaker 2: It was three centuries landed?
Speaker 1: Was it three centuries when first meta humans were seen
Speaker 1: on Earth?
Speaker 2: Three? Yeah? His three decades? Okay.
Speaker 1: I was trying to remember because they talk about how
Speaker 1: like this the first interview with a meta human or
Speaker 1: a superhero basically, and it's in ninety six, which would
Speaker 1: be about thirty years prior to.
Speaker 2: That.
Speaker 1: And when they said, uh, haile in Nebraska, I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: is that could this be have to do with the
Speaker 1: Kryptonian coming? But that was sixteen interesting but was he
Speaker 1: said it was twenty sixteen when he was backed up
Speaker 1: for I don't know, it's a whole thing, Like there's
Speaker 1: a lot of jumping around, which I'm loving, and I
Speaker 1: need to watch it again just to like, because twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen is where we spend most of our time in
Speaker 1: the episode. Ninety six is when he is first interview.
Speaker 1: He said he backed up that halogram, which is great. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how did not give him enough credit for that? He
Speaker 1: said it was ten years ago, so that would be
Speaker 1: roughly two thousand and six. So I think we're gonna
Speaker 1: be playing with a timeline that, like the years are
Speaker 1: always gonna end in six, whether it's nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 1: two thousand and six, two thousand and six, two twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six. And I think we see, like the fact
Speaker 1: that that haligram showed up there and he was last
Speaker 1: backed up ten years ago, I think that's gonna be
Speaker 1: like something happened that he wanted to hold onto that
Speaker 1: backup version of himself or something like that, Like he
Speaker 1: didn't want like something happened. He seemed totally different, And
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if something happened to him that turned him
Speaker 1: a little darker, like made him question himself, made him
Speaker 1: not want to be backed up, made him not want
Speaker 1: to make a reflection of himself. Maybe he screwed up
Speaker 1: on a mission, maybe he hurt someone, like I don't know,
Speaker 1: something happened in two thousand and six. I think that
Speaker 1: then like changed how Jordan's character. There's just so much
Speaker 1: going on with like the different time periods, and I'm
Speaker 1: loving that. And I don't think this is gonna be
Speaker 1: the first time we visit every one of these time periods.
Speaker 1: I think we will see from him as a kid.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see more from the two thousand
Speaker 1: and six. I think we're gonna see more from twenty
Speaker 1: sixteen obviously, and then more from twenty twenty six as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even just the decision to like end the
Speaker 2: episode letting us know that Hal is dead the frozen
Speaker 2: cadaver there like that again, like not necessarily fargo through
Speaker 2: and through, but that just feels like Cohen Brothers, like
Speaker 2: we're going to give you not the answer to the mystery,
Speaker 2: but the such a such a heavy reveal regarding the
Speaker 2: mystery right out of the gate, that we're going to
Speaker 2: have to you know, backpedal and plait and go back
Speaker 2: and forth between these various time periods to to you know,
Speaker 2: fully realize how we got there. And if I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 2: John checks to see if Hal has the ring on
Speaker 2: his finger that you know, the frozen cadaver there. He
Speaker 2: doesn't have the ring, and nother neither does John. John
Speaker 2: still doesn't have the ring at that point ten years
Speaker 2: later in twenty twenty six.
Speaker 1: Yep, So I wonder if he's even still training, is
Speaker 1: he just like, yeah, they have they seen each other
Speaker 1: since twenty twenty sixteen, Like we might see the demise
Speaker 1: of their friendship or their partnership or their you know,
Speaker 1: training at that point. Like, I think they're gonna show,
Speaker 1: We're gonna see all these things happen, and I think
Speaker 1: it's gonna be very interesting and spread out among these
Speaker 1: time periods. And I love that element of the story
Speaker 1: a lot, And you know, I like who these characters are.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping that the chemistry builds a little bit as
Speaker 1: John loosens up a little bit and maybe like hits
Speaker 1: a breaking point because I think Aaron Pierre has a
Speaker 1: lot in him. He just sure what he's being given
Speaker 1: right now is to you know, be calm, don't have emotions.
Speaker 1: And I think I feel that a lot as as
Speaker 1: someone who grew up I grew after I've told this
Speaker 1: before podcasting, but one of my biggest religious trauma issues
Speaker 1: growing group of my raising was I grew up in
Speaker 1: a faith that said, you know, deny yourself, deny yourself,
Speaker 1: deny yourself, deny yourself, deny yourself. And that meant anything
Speaker 1: you want is not like any you want, any of
Speaker 1: your emotions that really has should.
Speaker 2: Have no.
Speaker 1: Bearing on what you should do. Your emotions, your own
Speaker 1: desires are just distractions from what God wants, right, Like,
Speaker 1: I grew up with that, and so like the story
Speaker 1: of someone going through something where they're told like, do
Speaker 1: not feel do you do what you're supposed to do,
Speaker 1: check all the boxes, do the things you're supposed to do,
Speaker 1: and don't follow your emotions is something I've had I'm
Speaker 1: having to go through as a as a freaking thirty
Speaker 1: forty year old man, I've had to really like unlearn
Speaker 1: a lot of that totally. And so like I'm feeling
Speaker 1: the idea of the storyline, and I love Damon Lindelof
Speaker 1: so much that like I'm here for it.
Speaker 2: I'm very much here for it.
Speaker 1: I guess that's part of what disappoints me a little
Speaker 1: bit about the tone, too, is that, like, I understand
Speaker 1: they're going for this very specific thing it feels like,
Speaker 1: but Damon Lindelof's shows have a lot of fun in them,
Speaker 1: and so like, I just was expecting a little more fun.
Speaker 1: Even though I knew they were going for this vibe
Speaker 1: like I was, I was expecting it to have a
Speaker 1: little more that flavor. Watchman is one of my favorite
Speaker 1: shows I've ever seen, and like, that show is totally
Speaker 1: and he hits on all cylinders, tons of drama, tons
Speaker 1: of seriousness, but I am constantly entertained by the little
Speaker 1: weirdnesses of the show, you know, yeah, and just didn't
Speaker 1: have that yet.
Speaker 2: I might be being overly optimistic, but I suspect those
Speaker 2: things are coming because it's been a while since I've
Speaker 2: watched Watchmen. But as I recall some of the flourishes,
Speaker 2: like the I can't remember the name of the character
Speaker 2: where there was the guy that basically he dressed in
Speaker 2: a leotard and sprayed down the grease that he so
Speaker 2: that slide away, and he was just kind of like
Speaker 2: this background character that was seated throughout the series. I
Speaker 2: think things like that are coming and even with like
Speaker 2: I remember we talked about it on Multiverse News, the
Speaker 2: casting of Jason Ritter, and I was like, oh, this
Speaker 2: seems so obvious. He's obviously going to be the son
Speaker 2: of the corrupted, like sheriff or something like that, that
Speaker 2: has hold on the town. And that is true to
Speaker 2: some degree. He's the son of Will Macon, who clearly
Speaker 2: has some influence over the town, and his wife is
Speaker 2: very much you know, warning like, you know, don't get
Speaker 2: debt to this guy until you know what he's about.
Speaker 2: But I was I was, again to say, pleasantly surprised.
Speaker 2: It was you know, Jason Ritter is this lawyer who
Speaker 2: seems none the wiser really, but maybe that's just a
Speaker 2: guy's but that again, that's what intrigues me just knowing
Speaker 2: about it. Lindelof at the Helm like me too. There
Speaker 2: are already so many questions about allegiances, like how even
Speaker 2: goes in immediately suspicious, you know, like, oh, what do
Speaker 2: you want from me? How am I going to be
Speaker 2: in debt to you? If I if I help you,
Speaker 2: if I join your anti federal militia here and like, no,
Speaker 2: we're against the aliens. And even with that interrogation of Whalen,
Speaker 2: who reveals himself to be an alien, and he says,
Speaker 2: ultimately the goal is vengeance, but there was there was
Speaker 2: a sense of I know, I know he's an alien,
Speaker 2: but forgive the term here, just like humanity, like there
Speaker 2: was like some pain. There was for sure pathos there,
Speaker 2: like something had been lost. And again to knowing that
Speaker 2: it's Lindelof and his sensibilities and considering the modern time
Speaker 2: where that we're in and how police departments are really
Speaker 2: being kind of looked at and is their corruption there?
Speaker 2: Should they be defunded, you know, even though they protect
Speaker 2: the public or that's the general sentiment, what are they
Speaker 2: actually doing? I think the lanterns are being questioned in
Speaker 2: a real way. And I think that that alien Whalen
Speaker 2: was was kind of positing that kind of right up front,
Speaker 2: and I.
Speaker 1: Too, And I mean, even making will you will you
Speaker 1: Macon while he's cooking, he says, you know, he's suspicious
Speaker 1: of all non Earth entities, you know, like these aliens.
Speaker 1: But even when he talks about the Ring, because he
Speaker 1: knows this is part of the Lantern core. He says,
Speaker 1: now you got that weapon of mass destruction on your finger.
Speaker 1: It's like he doesn't view the Ring as a positive thing.
Speaker 1: You know, he's not sure even though this is a
Speaker 1: super he's viewing the ring as a weapon of mass
Speaker 1: destruction that just walked into his kitchen and he would
Speaker 1: rather have it on his side than not. But I
Speaker 1: think he thinks of it even as a you know,
Speaker 1: a extra terrestrial threat.
Speaker 2: Which is a lifelong fan of both Green Lantern and
Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings. How it's never dawned on me
Speaker 2: before how the Ring could be viewed in that way.
Speaker 2: It just felt so much like Fellowship of the Ring,
Speaker 2: like we could use the ring, or like no, the
Speaker 2: Ring should be destroyed. Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: It's a good point, by the way, that that that
Speaker 1: actor Garrett Dilla Hunt that plays William William Macon. I
Speaker 1: love that guy. He's been on a number of things
Speaker 1: that I really liked to I don't recognize him. He
Speaker 1: was a regular, like a regular kind of villain type
Speaker 1: person on a Burn Notice, which is a show I
Speaker 1: really liked.
Speaker 2: I do like Burn Notice. I haven't watched it from
Speaker 2: beginning to end, but I've I've I enjoy it when
Speaker 2: it when I catch it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm pretty sure, you know, unless I'm wrong,
Speaker 1: I'm looking at design to be I might be totally
Speaker 1: wrong on who that is, but I think, yeah, Fear
Speaker 1: of the walk Dead. He's a regular, a regular on
Speaker 1: Through the Walking Dead, and he was one of my
Speaker 1: favorite characters on that. Okay, and Byrne noticed I remember
Speaker 1: his face. I'm scanning and I don't see it in
Speaker 1: his IMDb, but it might just be like too far
Speaker 1: down because that show.
Speaker 2: Wasn't too popular.
Speaker 1: I'm looking at his his what his top casting things are,
Speaker 1: but uh, he's been in a lot of stuff.
Speaker 2: No Country for Old Men apparently. Oh interesting. Okay, I
Speaker 2: have to look him up and look up his filmography.
Speaker 2: But I I'm glad you mentioned him because at the
Speaker 2: first time he was introduced, and I know, it was
Speaker 2: kind of at a distance, and when they were close up,
Speaker 2: I was like, Okay, I bought his age a little
Speaker 2: bit more. But like the fact that he's supposed to
Speaker 2: be Jason Rider's father, I was like, whoa, he was
Speaker 2: like surprisingly young. But then when you get to reveal
Speaker 2: that Zoe is his wife who hooked up with Aaron
Speaker 2: John Stewart. I immediately was like, is something going on
Speaker 2: to like make these people age at a you know,
Speaker 2: decelerated or you know, less accelerated rate or something like that.
Speaker 1: I think it's called celebrity I think, uh, that's so
Speaker 1: you're thinking there. Yeah, I saw an article crossed my
Speaker 1: Feet earlier that said like, celebrities are refusing.
Speaker 2: To age and it's ruining media. But I mean even
Speaker 2: in the context of the story, like again, Zoe who
Speaker 2: who Aaron Pierre hooked up with? When? And I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to be you know, you know, check me if
Speaker 2: if my if if I'm out of lye here. But
Speaker 2: I was like, she's clearly, you know, not the most
Speaker 2: conventionally or traditionally attractive woman. She's got you know, some
Speaker 2: some wear and tear to her. But I did not
Speaker 2: expect you to be a grandma. I did not expect
Speaker 2: you to be a.
Speaker 1: Grand I knew, I know you mean, but she's got
Speaker 1: some wear in tear to her.
Speaker 2: It's pretty rough. Was that Laura Lenny? Uh No, I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't think we've seen Laura Lenny yet. Unless she's
Speaker 2: the sheriff, I'd be really surprised. If she was the sheriff.
Speaker 2: I think the sheriff is McDonald. Okay, I kept thinking
Speaker 2: it was Carrie Kune, but that's just probably the true
Speaker 2: detective bias there.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and I'm looking at the Laura Lennie doesn't
Speaker 1: have a I'm so bad with faces. I'm looking at
Speaker 1: all these people. No, yeah, it's not Laura Lenny. No,
Speaker 1: it can't be because I know her from Ozark and
Speaker 1: and yeah yeah, and that's just not her face. But uh,
Speaker 1: she must have been nut. She just must not be
Speaker 1: on the main page here. But Kelly McDonald, who plays Carrie,
Speaker 1: and I think that's the sheriff.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, that's that's what my researches is turning up
Speaker 2: as well. I feel like i'd recognize Laurel Lenny if
Speaker 2: I ye definitely always had a little bit of a
Speaker 2: crush on her. Oh yeah, very nice, especially considering she's,
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit of an older woman for me. Yeah,
Speaker 2: wear and tear there. I was trying to remember what
Speaker 2: you said. I was trying to the phrases so I.
Speaker 1: Could be like, yeah, not too much wear and tear
Speaker 1: for you there, jays Gunning.
Speaker 2: Good lord, it's the way she hates my guts. It's
Speaker 2: the way she hates them. It's a really good line.
Speaker 2: It's a really good line anyway.
Speaker 1: So there's a number of things I really like about
Speaker 1: the show. I really, I really do, and I'm so
Speaker 1: pumped to see Also, I'm excited for Kyle Chandler in
Speaker 1: this role because like they've got him in this very
Speaker 1: particular part in his career as Hal Jordan where he's
Speaker 1: like grizzled and older, and we're gonna see him over
Speaker 1: the course of it looks like from ninety six to
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, So we've got like a thirty year
Speaker 1: time period to work with. And they say in that
Speaker 1: interview at the beginning, he came to Earth ten years
Speaker 1: ago or he got the Lantern ten years ago, so
Speaker 1: he's been around.
Speaker 2: Since eighty six.
Speaker 1: Wow, So like I if I'm not mistaken. So so
Speaker 1: that's forty years of how Jordan before he's dead in
Speaker 1: this episode. So like that means anything they do with
Speaker 1: the DCU in the future where they do like kind
Speaker 1: of flashbacky stuff, we could to have a dahed Kyle
Speaker 1: Chandler hopping around. It'sl Jordan at any moment, And I kind.
Speaker 2: Of love that. I was for a split second thinking
Speaker 2: that we were gonna get Nathan Fillion's Guy Gardner because
Speaker 2: when Aaron Pierre John Stewart shows up to Nebraska and
Speaker 2: you know, he has to intervene the police line that's
Speaker 2: at the city limits there and they say he gets
Speaker 2: on the radio and he says there's another one. I
Speaker 2: was like, Oh, Guy Gardner has already showed up because
Speaker 2: he heard that how Jordan was on his way over here,
Speaker 2: and not yeah, we know he's going to appear in
Speaker 2: the in the in the season, but not not quite Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, and I wonder, so they said that he's the
Speaker 1: first lantern for Earth, and apparently there's at least in
Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, he's the only lantern I believe they say, right,
Speaker 1: so before twenty twenty six when Superman is a cur
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty five or whatever, there's there's at least
Speaker 1: Guy Gardner. Does that mean Hal's either done or an
Speaker 1: active or I don't know. I'm more could it be
Speaker 1: that this this happens before and like Guy Gardner ends
Speaker 1: up with the Ring or whatever, Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's what kind of what I'm wondering too.
Speaker 2: I think again about that final scene, seeing the frozen
Speaker 2: cadaver they're not having a ring and knowing that John
Speaker 2: doesn't have it, I was immediately thinking, oh, you know,
Speaker 2: it must be in the hands of some villain, but
Speaker 2: maybe guy has it. Yeah, that's the issue.
Speaker 1: Flew off of his hand like it did for Abn
Speaker 1: Sour or whatever, and like Aben sir, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm confused. No, No, you're right, Abencer. It's it's really
Speaker 2: tough when it comes to Abencer and in Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: what I was right, because we that thing flew off.
Speaker 1: Maybe that thing flew off of his hand and went
Speaker 1: straight to uh Guy Gardner who put it on, and
Speaker 1: and that maybe that's where he is in super But
Speaker 1: that would I think the timeline doesn't work because I
Speaker 1: think that happens before I think Superman happens before the
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: I think unclear. I think it's supposed to be like
Speaker 2: concurrent with when it came out. I think it's supposed
Speaker 2: to be Circle twenty twenty five, not justining.
Speaker 1: So who do you think is footing the bill? And
Speaker 1: I feel like there's one obvious answer, who is footing
Speaker 1: the bill for Macon's militia.
Speaker 2: You think it's obvious. Well, with you thinking saying you
Speaker 2: think it's obvious, that leads me to thinking maybe it's
Speaker 2: Lex Luthor. Yeah, okay, that was not my immediate thought though,
Speaker 2: but I do like that. I do you like it? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I feel like.
Speaker 1: I feel like it could easily be a The Internet
Speaker 1: says that Superman is set in May of twenty twenty five,
Speaker 1: so guy already had the ring tracks. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 1: it was set when it came out, which would make sense.
Speaker 2: But but yeah, yeah, I'm I'm wondering.
Speaker 1: If it could be Lex Luthor just hates aliens as
Speaker 1: much as you know. Uh, he's kind of young, though,
Speaker 1: I think to have because this is ten years before,
Speaker 1: so it'd be nine years before his role in Superman.
Speaker 2: So could he be paying is he is he too?
Speaker 2: Is he too young? Or could be his father? Could
Speaker 2: it be you know, oh yeah, yeah Lex Luthor. In
Speaker 2: the comics, Lex has a sordid history with his father,
Speaker 2: so totally could be. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just why like the fact that they had
Speaker 1: that conversation about how someone owns this lamb but the
Speaker 1: government wouldn't he wouldn't want the government to know because
Speaker 1: they'll crack down and all that stuff.
Speaker 2: I was like, who could it be. I'm glad you
Speaker 2: brought that up too, because maybe I've gotten the point
Speaker 2: across with everything else that we talked about. But I
Speaker 2: do think colonialism is going to be a strong through
Speaker 2: line for this series as well, because will William Macon says,
Speaker 2: you know, this belonged to the Sue and another tribe
Speaker 2: before them, and that's the scary thing about colonialism when
Speaker 2: you're the ones being colonized. That's why we're so scared
Speaker 2: of these extraterrestrial threats here.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, I'm I'm I'm low in that character, and I'm
Speaker 1: really I feel like it's.
Speaker 2: Very possible that that I thought it was.
Speaker 1: We were getting a story of kind of kind of
Speaker 1: like The Captain Marvel, where there's the alien threat, and
Speaker 1: then we find out it's really the the response to
Speaker 1: the alien threat that we really be worried about, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Like this militia is going after
Speaker 1: schools for refugees. Yeaheah, maybe these are just refugees, but
Speaker 1: then that guy says that they're there because of war.
Speaker 1: I mean, that could still be refugees though, like there
Speaker 1: could be a refugee.
Speaker 2: Thing happening here. He says that in the same breath though,
Speaker 2: that like I had to come to this planet that
Speaker 2: cares more about football a sport of competition, than they
Speaker 2: do about famine and the violence of their atmosphere, innocence whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: yeah yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm I don't know, very interesting to see where
Speaker 1: where all that's going. And uh, it's it doesn't seem
Speaker 1: like either one is an obvious hero Revillain there right,
Speaker 1: I'm concerned. I'm concerned about Making and his militia obviously,
Speaker 1: but I'm also that alien didn't seem like your friendly
Speaker 1: neighborhood alien.
Speaker 2: No, he didn't, he did not.
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I love that he called John out for
Speaker 1: sleeping with his wife.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's so funny. Will you say, like, nothing nothing
Speaker 2: better than eating off another man's grill? Oh?
Speaker 1: Good lord, it's pretty pretty pretty rough, pretty rough?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: Well, uh, I feel good, feel good? Anything else you
Speaker 1: want to mention about this episode?
Speaker 2: Just the last thing that kind of comes to mind again,
Speaker 2: just to speak to I love Kyle Chandler, always have,
Speaker 2: but I feel like he's kind of like perfectly cast
Speaker 2: for this role in this series and the approach that
Speaker 2: they're taking, because even just with like the fact that
Speaker 2: we find his body on like bleachers there and like
Speaker 2: just the football field setting, given his Friday Night lights
Speaker 2: ten year, it just yep, it's it's meshing in a
Speaker 2: well in a way that really works for me. Yeah, well,
Speaker 2: it was almost too much.
Speaker 1: In the first episode, there's like four football mentions where
Speaker 1: he talks good offense or defense and he's like, whenever
Speaker 1: they need me, he's like, good man, Like that is just.
Speaker 2: Coach Taylor right there, like one hundred percent, and it's
Speaker 2: Aaron Pierre that gets to have the real like coaching moment.
Speaker 2: That's true. That is true.
Speaker 1: I mean he's he's picking up the Coach Taylor mantle.
Speaker 2: There we go. Well, I'm loving it.
Speaker 1: I like, like, like I said, I a little slow.
Speaker 1: It is my only real complaint. I like what it's doing,
Speaker 1: and I'm very interested in all the characters and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, same here. I feel like I'm a little
Speaker 2: bit higher on this premiere than you are. But that's
Speaker 2: that's completely okay. We'll see where the series goes awesome.
Speaker 1: All right, man, Well, I will talk to you soon
Speaker 1: and we'll be back right.
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Speaker 2: To be, but I did want to mention like the
Speaker 2: timing of this I actually think is kind of ideal
Speaker 2: because I didn't at first when the series was first
Speaker 2: n out announced, it felt like we had to wait
Speaker 2: so long for it to come out. But I think
Speaker 2: in the wake of all these Marvel announcements but having
Speaker 2: to wait for any of those things to actually come
Speaker 2: to fruition, this is kind of a perfect time where
Speaker 2: the hype and interest around like superhero properties has been
Speaker 2: brought up that I think DC is really going to
Speaker 2: benefit from it. Yeah, and I think as Marvel is
Speaker 2: making a return to being the the golden child on
Speaker 2: the silver screen, I think DC can kind of potentially
Speaker 2: step in and really build a strong table of TV offerings.
Speaker 1: But we will see they've always done well in TV,
Speaker 1: Yeah we have. So Yeah, I'm excited.
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