Speaker 1: A woman's society walking in the shadows. The Culturian woman's
Speaker 1: society are walking in the shadows the culturition.
Speaker 2: So hello and welcome everyone to shadow Talk Unfiltered. My
Speaker 2: name is Lisa. I am your host today and tonight.
Speaker 2: We are joined by someone who has spent his entire
Speaker 2: life chasing the truth behind the strange lights, the unexplained patterns,
Speaker 2: and the.
Speaker 3: Stories most people don't dare to look at. Twice.
Speaker 2: Scott Murtha from Mysterious Planet has been immersed in the
Speaker 2: paranormal and the UFO world since he was young. He
Speaker 2: stepped into the field through ghost hunting and then shifted
Speaker 2: his focus to the UFO phenomenon, building projects like Mysterious Planet,
Speaker 2: which turns out has a ridiculous amount of followers, and
Speaker 2: the UAP Tracker to document what's really happening in our skies.
Speaker 2: Scott has also had his own experiences which fuel his
Speaker 2: work he does today. He has been to the congressional
Speaker 2: hearings which we can't wait to hear about, and keeps
Speaker 2: a close eye on kind of what unfolds in DC.
Speaker 2: His mission is simple and needed, keeping the public informed
Speaker 2: about UAPs and the conversations that shape how we understand them.
Speaker 2: We're super excited to have you here today, Scott, with
Speaker 2: myself and hopefully anyone else that wants to join us
Speaker 2: in the Shadow Talk Unfiltered. Welcome.
Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you, thank you. I appreciate you having
Speaker 4: me on.
Speaker 3: Oh it's been a long time coming. Very excited.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we've been We've talked about this a while ago.
Speaker 2: To do it, I tell you what, it is so
Speaker 2: hard because there's there's a life gets so busy, and
Speaker 2: especially when you're running a podcast and doing everything that
Speaker 2: we're kind of doing systematically, it just gets crazy town.
Speaker 2: So I'm stoked that we finally made it happen. I
Speaker 2: knew it was going to.
Speaker 3: The universe, was going to you know, connect.
Speaker 2: Us alrighty, so hate Look, I just gave you the
Speaker 2: world's most amazing intro.
Speaker 3: I have to say it was.
Speaker 2: So can you tell us kind of how did you
Speaker 2: get into UFOs Because I've seen UFOs.
Speaker 3: I'm kind of out of Juliet and I see.
Speaker 2: All of the UFOs and weird stuff in the sky
Speaker 2: and she sees ghosty apparitions and stuff. So are you
Speaker 2: like that where you like, I've always just seen UFOs
Speaker 2: throughout my whole life, they're flashing their lights at me
Speaker 2: and doing all that sort of crazy stuff. Or was
Speaker 2: there some sort of kind of movement between different realms
Speaker 2: or you've never seen a UFO until you had this
Speaker 2: one crazy experience and that turned everything over.
Speaker 3: Don't give us it.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've always kind of been into UFOs and
Speaker 4: the you know, hauntings and paranormal stuff, supernatural stuff like
Speaker 4: that's always been my interest since I was a kid, Like,
Speaker 4: I've always liked that stuff. But for some reason, I
Speaker 4: started got something like you mentioned in the in the
Speaker 4: intro there, I started out go something and I used
Speaker 4: to do that regularly, and then I just started really
Speaker 4: getting more focused on the UFOs. And I did have
Speaker 4: an experience. And I don't actually know if I don't
Speaker 4: know how to categorize it, Like I don't know if
Speaker 4: this experience is more UFO related or just spiritual related.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what it was.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: It was an orb based experience, but I saw it
Speaker 4: in broad daylight with ten feet away from me, like
Speaker 4: it was super close. And basically what had happened was
Speaker 4: I was driving and I was on an intersection. I
Speaker 4: was at the stoplight, and while I'm sitting there at
Speaker 4: the at the light, I see like a hawk like
Speaker 4: kind of dive bombing, like cycle was going after some
Speaker 4: kind of prey. So I duck to look out the
Speaker 4: windshield to see, you know, it's what it's going after.
Speaker 4: And what I see is this ball of light, and
Speaker 4: the hawk comes towards it like it's going to attack.
Speaker 4: The ball of light dodges it, and the hawk like
Speaker 4: gets spooked and flies away. And then I watch this
Speaker 4: ball of light as it just drifts like towards my
Speaker 4: car and it goes right above my car, and then
Speaker 4: it starts to drift, the turns and starts going like
Speaker 4: over me. So I'm looking at it like out the window,
Speaker 4: and it's literally ten feet above my head. It's just
Speaker 4: a diffuse ball of light. There's no features, you can't
Speaker 4: see anything solid. It's literally just like light. And it
Speaker 4: just goes and then the light, the light that I'm at,
Speaker 4: turns green, so I have to drive and I have
Speaker 4: to go, so I don't get to follow it or
Speaker 4: see what happens to it. But it was literally ten
Speaker 4: feet away from me, and I could not tell you
Speaker 4: what I was looking at.
Speaker 2: It's weird, especially with the turn, like it turned itself
Speaker 2: and decided to go the other director.
Speaker 4: It was going this direction and then it went this direction.
Speaker 4: So whatever it is, whether that's some type of you know,
Speaker 4: non human tech, or whether that is some other kind
Speaker 4: of being entity in itself, I don't know. But it
Speaker 4: was definitely moving intelligently to dodge the hawk to make
Speaker 4: a turn. And so it wasn't like a ball lightning,
Speaker 4: ball lightning. He just kind of bounces around and moves random.
Speaker 4: Just had very deliberate directional movements far out.
Speaker 3: That's wild.
Speaker 2: So Juliet actually she used to work in a shopping center.
Speaker 2: You know, she was in retail for a while, like
Speaker 2: a years ago and actually probably like two years ago
Speaker 2: when we first started Crypto Women's Society, and she something
Speaker 2: terrible had happened at the more where somebody had been
Speaker 2: shot and I think he passed away, and on her
Speaker 2: way out, like the day after or whatever, she shut
Speaker 2: shut the shop and it was kind of nighttime ish
Speaker 2: by then when to walk down the alleyway to take
Speaker 2: her to the car park, and she said, all of
Speaker 2: a sudden, this massive ball of light showed up in
Speaker 2: front of her, and she said, the weirdest part it
Speaker 2: was light exactly what you say. It wasn't colored if
Speaker 2: you will, It was just light. But she said the
Speaker 2: weirdest part was it was like it had had like
Speaker 2: energy spikes on it and Chris.
Speaker 3: Sees all over it. Yeah, she was thinking, it's so wild,
Speaker 3: she said.
Speaker 2: She She was like, I don't know what that was,
Speaker 2: but I imagine it was probably the spirit or the
Speaker 2: energy from that person that hadn't left you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she was like, oh wow, weird.
Speaker 2: So I wonder if it was something like that, like
Speaker 2: you say, a spiritual sort of thing. Maybe it was
Speaker 2: an energy or a.
Speaker 3: From the human realm.
Speaker 4: Right, it certainly can be. And the reason why I
Speaker 4: don't really know how to categorize it and put it
Speaker 4: in a box is there's a lot of orb stories
Speaker 4: that go along with UFO phenomenon as well. So I
Speaker 4: just don't know how to categorize that experience. I don't
Speaker 4: know what I saw, but it was this light, diffuse
Speaker 4: ball of light, so that.
Speaker 3: Would have spewed you on. Right, You've gone, oh my god,
Speaker 3: I just had this crazy experience. I've got to start digging.
Speaker 4: After I had that experience, I did start looking into
Speaker 4: UFOs more and things like that, and you know, I
Speaker 4: started getting really into like because I hear like stories
Speaker 4: were starting. Like twenty seventeen really was when like the
Speaker 4: New York Times dropped an article about this black budget
Speaker 4: UFO program that was the government was covering up and
Speaker 4: spending like billions of dollars on and you know, it's
Speaker 4: money that can't be accounted for and it's been like
Speaker 4: speculated that's going into these uf programs, these secret UFO programs.
Speaker 4: And then these Navy videos started hitting the web and
Speaker 4: then we start having whistle blowers coming forward and now
Speaker 4: so I was like, Okay, well I'm just gonna take
Speaker 4: this interest and I'm going to put it on Instagram
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna start collecting like finding videos and information
Speaker 4: and posting it. And that's kind of how I started
Speaker 4: the page. But since then, I've tried to be more
Speaker 4: involved in it. Like I said, I've go to DC
Speaker 4: to participate in events and stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, so give me your give me your
Speaker 2: rundown on what you think UFOs are, UFO UAP what
Speaker 2: give us an overview of your opinion on what these
Speaker 2: things actually are?
Speaker 3: What are we looking for?
Speaker 4: Right? And yeah, and that's such a tough question.
Speaker 3: Because you know, I start with a real hard one, right.
Speaker 4: It's a hard one because it's hard to say because
Speaker 4: in my mind there's so many possibilities. I mean, the
Speaker 4: main theory that people in general go with is that
Speaker 4: it's you know, extraterrestrial life from another planet and they're
Speaker 4: like traveling here. There's also a lot of theory that
Speaker 4: they're not from other planets. They're from here either, and
Speaker 4: they're traveling through dimensions or traveling through time, and they've
Speaker 4: always been here. They were actually here before us, and
Speaker 4: we're kind of the visitors on this planet, not them.
Speaker 4: So this is so much theory going in so many
Speaker 4: different directions. So I couldn't tell you exactly what I
Speaker 4: think it is because I don't know. But I do
Speaker 4: lean a little bit towards the interdimensional theory that maybe
Speaker 4: that they're just popping in and out of our reality.
Speaker 3: And have you ever seen anything like that.
Speaker 4: I've never seen anything that crazy. But I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Think you should be the guy that I ring when
Speaker 2: I'm like siven pm at night and I'm ringing, I'm
Speaker 2: in the bathroom, sitting on the toilets.
Speaker 3: I don't want to wake up my family. And I'm
Speaker 3: ringing Juliette, going, oh my god, guess what just happened?
Speaker 2: So I feel like you need to be the guy
Speaker 2: that I rang now when something like decloaks itself.
Speaker 4: And then I would love to know. I would love
Speaker 4: to know if you see that. Do you have anything recorded?
Speaker 4: Do you have anything on video?
Speaker 3: Not? I do.
Speaker 2: Had a rainbow or thing show up above the fear
Speaker 2: that we that we went to, But I mean that
Speaker 2: that kind of that thing that happened where you're talking
Speaker 2: in two dimensional I think that's what it was.
Speaker 3: It was as some sort of.
Speaker 2: It popped in and then it popped out, or it
Speaker 2: decloaked itself and then it recloaked itself or whatever it was.
Speaker 3: But it was geometric. It was so odd.
Speaker 2: It was like one of those geometric box things, but
Speaker 2: it was in a geometric shape or like it had
Speaker 2: boxes put together, if that makes sense. And all you
Speaker 2: could see was the outline of of the.
Speaker 5: Railing, like do you know what like this the frame
Speaker 5: of it, but it was black and it had a
Speaker 5: purple like dark purple glow around each piece of the framing.
Speaker 1: It was.
Speaker 4: How big was it? How large?
Speaker 3: Was huge? It was huge? It was absolutely massive.
Speaker 2: I was standing on the deck looking out into the
Speaker 2: sky because we have no light pollution at our property
Speaker 2: in the country, right, so it's amazing you look at
Speaker 2: the milky Way right over.
Speaker 3: The top of my house and you literally I just
Speaker 3: literally saw this.
Speaker 2: Massive craft show itself and then just straight back out that.
Speaker 3: I have to go and talk to my friend.
Speaker 2: And she laughs about it now, But I was like,
Speaker 2: oh my god, I didn't know quite how to process
Speaker 2: that because it was wild, like it wasn't something that
Speaker 2: it wasn't what you normally see, like you know, the
Speaker 2: big feeds us this kind of idea of the saucer
Speaker 2: or you know whatever else. I think a boxed frame,
Speaker 2: geometric shape with a really cool purple glow.
Speaker 4: That's really interesting. That's really really interesting, and it does
Speaker 4: seem like that's something that's interdimensional, like it's something that's
Speaker 4: not of you know, we live in three dimensions. It's
Speaker 4: something that's not of this dimension. It's something that's in
Speaker 4: a higher dimension. Possibly.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd be of heaps of stories that kind
Speaker 2: of just really defy what your belief system kind of
Speaker 2: was of what these things are and what they.
Speaker 3: I guess what they can do or what they look like.
Speaker 4: Right, I mean, I think for me, I think it's
Speaker 4: I think the reason why I feel like it's more so,
Speaker 4: and again I can't say this for certain, but the
Speaker 4: reason why I lean towards inter dimensional is just that
Speaker 4: there's a lot of stories of people seeing like craft
Speaker 4: and they just seem to like blip away, and unless
Speaker 4: they could be just traveling out of speed, that like
Speaker 4: just looks like they're blipping away. But there's a lot
Speaker 4: of stories of people seeing them just kind of blip
Speaker 4: like they're there, Like even like military personnel who have
Speaker 4: seen things and they're tracking things on radar and it's
Speaker 4: there on the radar, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 4: it's just not there anymore. So it's just like it
Speaker 4: just blips out. And that's kind of why I lean
Speaker 4: towards like the inter dimensional aspect of it. I think
Speaker 4: they just kind of maybe come and go out of
Speaker 4: our reality.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, and then all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 2: in the fourth dimension and we can no longer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's no longer, which is what I think
Speaker 4: Bigfoot does. That's my theory on Bigfoot. By the way,
Speaker 4: that was going to be my next question that is
Speaker 4: my theory.
Speaker 3: Well, when this released, I will have already done my expedition.
Speaker 2: I'm taking a group of people out into the New
Speaker 2: Zealand bush this weekend, so this would have already happened.
Speaker 2: And apparently we've got some faith folk there, some forest elementals,
Speaker 2: and some Bigfoot clan so be real interesting to see.
Speaker 4: Okay, well that's awesome.
Speaker 2: Oh he'll let me know if he's in the dimensional.
Speaker 2: But I kind of agree with you too. What's your
Speaker 2: view on the change? So let's talk Congress for a second.
Speaker 2: They changed the name from UFO to UAP. Do you
Speaker 2: think there's a conspiracy around that? I have my own
Speaker 2: theories of that sort of stuff, but what's your thoughts
Speaker 2: on there?
Speaker 4: So a lot of people do think there's conspiracy around that,
Speaker 4: and it's because they think the government is trying to
Speaker 4: control the narrative and frame things how they wanted to
Speaker 4: be framed. And part of that is just changing the
Speaker 4: word that we use for it. I don't one hundred
Speaker 4: percent buy into that. I think UAP, which stands for
Speaker 4: Unidentified Anomalist Phenomenon, is actually more fitting than UFO because
Speaker 4: UFO is unidentified flying object, right, But they're not always flying.
Speaker 4: These are being tracked underwater, tracked in our oceans. They
Speaker 4: seem to be trans medium. They can go from air
Speaker 4: to water and water to the air like seamlessly. So
Speaker 4: to me, saying that their flying objects actually limits them, sure,
Speaker 4: because they're not always flying. There's submerged submerged in the water,
Speaker 4: so to me, anomalous actually more so encompasses the phenomenon.
Speaker 4: So I actually like the term you apeak. I feel
Speaker 4: like it kind of encompasses it better than just UFO.
Speaker 4: But yeah, a lot of people believe that they just
Speaker 4: changed the vernacular for it to control the narrative, and
Speaker 4: maybe that's the case, but I think the new vernacular
Speaker 4: is actually, like I said, more fitting for the phenomenon.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, for sure.
Speaker 2: So tell us about tell us about the disclosure stuff
Speaker 2: that's happening in Congress, Like, can you give us like
Speaker 2: a rundown? Imagine, Like we live in New Zealand, just
Speaker 2: right right, Imagine we live in New Zealand. We don't
Speaker 2: get any media, we don't get any news. What do
Speaker 2: I need to know? Right I'm into the UFO stuff.
Speaker 2: What do I need to know that's going on right now?
Speaker 2: As far as this disclosure. Is it all bullshit? Are
Speaker 2: we just getting strung along? Is there actually good stuff
Speaker 2: behind this?
Speaker 3: Give us a bit of a running grower.
Speaker 4: I'll give you the rundown on it. And to answer,
Speaker 4: the short answer is, I think there's both. I think
Speaker 4: there's some bs and I also think that there's some
Speaker 4: truth behind everything. But it really all kicked off in
Speaker 4: twenty twenty three. I think it was May twenty twenty three,
Speaker 4: when a whistleblower, David Grush, you know, former intelligence military personnel,
Speaker 4: has a lot of like clearances, government clearances, and he
Speaker 4: was in position to know things, and he came forward
Speaker 4: and saying that, Yeah, the government's covering up this whole
Speaker 4: UFO thing. This is a real phenomenon. It's happening, and
Speaker 4: the government knows about it and they're alying to the public.
Speaker 4: So he testified in front of Congress in July twenty
Speaker 4: twenty three. Him and there were two other whistleblowers, well
Speaker 4: they weren't really whistleblowers. There may Air Force maybe personnel
Speaker 4: who come forward to to talk about things they have seen.
Speaker 4: That's David Commander David Fraver and Lieutenant Ryan Graves. Both
Speaker 4: have had experiences like in their jets seeing things that
Speaker 4: doesn't seem to align with modern technology that we know.
Speaker 4: For example, Ryan Graves described a a a cube within
Speaker 4: a sphere, like a black cube, and you know, in
Speaker 4: a clear sphere, it's weird and it almost crashed into
Speaker 4: one of his, you know, other pilots, and so there
Speaker 4: is a lot of things that these naval people were seeing.
Speaker 4: So they come forward and they testify as well. So
Speaker 4: Congress starts trying to put in like certain members of
Speaker 4: Congress who are really like gung ho about they seem
Speaker 4: at least really gung ho about getting information released. They've
Speaker 4: tried to pass bills in the government to have the
Speaker 4: basically have some type of disclosure. It may not be
Speaker 4: full on disclosure, but a way for the government to
Speaker 4: systematically release this information to the public. And this bill
Speaker 4: has gone in front of Congress two or three times
Speaker 4: now and every time it gets shut down is getting blocked.
Speaker 4: So in my mind, if you have nothing to hide,
Speaker 4: why are you blocking this bill or what what are
Speaker 4: you blocking it for? So I think there is something
Speaker 4: definitely going on. Then two years ago, well last year
Speaker 4: actually last year, there was another hearing that was the
Speaker 4: first hearing that I went to. So I went to
Speaker 4: that hearing, which was an amazing experience. I got to
Speaker 4: meet so many people. I honestly feel like going to
Speaker 4: that hearing changed the trajectory of like everything that I'm doing,
Speaker 4: like with Mysterious and I honestly think that changed everything
Speaker 4: because I got to like I said, I got to
Speaker 4: meet a lot of people. It made me want to
Speaker 4: be more involved and do something more meaningful towards the
Speaker 4: movement of you know, disclosure instead of just like what
Speaker 4: I was doing was like finding interesting videos and like
Speaker 4: posting them. But now I which I still do that,
Speaker 4: but I also try to be more active in the
Speaker 4: community and actually do something that hopefully makes a difference,
Speaker 4: you know, one day. So that hearing changed everything for me.
Speaker 4: So that hearing happened, and again it's just the sense
Speaker 4: of like running on a treadmill, because you always feel
Speaker 4: like we're making progress, like oh, these whistleblowers are coming
Speaker 4: forward and saying this, with cub blowers are saying this,
Speaker 4: Something's going to have to come of it because all
Speaker 4: this information is coming out. But then a year passes
Speaker 4: and nothing has changed. It's just the government. There's certain
Speaker 4: factions of the government that are blocking Congress from actually
Speaker 4: further investigating and Congress people members of Congress go to
Speaker 4: these military bases and say I want to see X, Y,
Speaker 4: and Z, and they're like, no, you're not allowed to
Speaker 4: see that. So there's situations where unelected officials are actually
Speaker 4: able to overpower the elected officials, which seems a little
Speaker 4: bit crazy. I mean, even the president.
Speaker 3: Can they not take military police with.
Speaker 4: Them or something like that and be like, yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't know. But because even the president even yeah, I know,
Speaker 4: I would want to do the same thing, but maybe
Speaker 4: I don't know how it works. But even the president
Speaker 4: of the United States doesn't have the information. And that's
Speaker 4: what's a little bit that's kind of scary because the government,
Speaker 4: certain factions, I don't want to say the government, it's
Speaker 4: not the entire government, the factions of the government who
Speaker 4: have this information. They view the president as a temporary employee,
Speaker 4: right He's only going to be there for four years,
Speaker 4: maybe eight if he gets a second term, and then
Speaker 4: he's gone, So they're temporary employees. They don't need to
Speaker 4: know this. So really what it comes down to is this,
Speaker 4: there are factions of the government and military who are
Speaker 4: in the know along with private military contractors like Lockheed
Speaker 4: Martin or Raytheon or different defense contractors who make weaponry
Speaker 4: for the military and jets and all that kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: They are in the know because it's expected that these
Speaker 4: military contractors, Lockheed Martin, they are involved in this reverse
Speaker 4: engineering program that the government has. The government retrieves crashed
Speaker 4: craft down craft UFOs that bring it to Lockheed Martin.
Speaker 4: Lockheed Martin reverse engineers it. So it's kind of scary
Speaker 4: that there's a private company who is in the know
Speaker 4: on the UFO phenomenon and the reality honestly, it's the
Speaker 4: reality that we all live in. They have access to
Speaker 4: knowledge about our reality that our president and our government
Speaker 4: and all of its citizens do not know. And that's
Speaker 4: that's the chilling thing to think about that there is
Speaker 4: literally a company is as a company who has this
Speaker 4: who basically has the information about the nature of our
Speaker 4: reality and we do not have access.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and we have most yeah, well put in the
Speaker 3: dark right exactly in the dark most of it as well.
Speaker 4: So to me, that's crazy. How can there be a
Speaker 4: private company who has more information about the nature of
Speaker 4: our reality than the United States government?
Speaker 3: Totally?
Speaker 2: And I mean the United States government does my hidden
Speaker 2: because it's so huge and this it's like a giant octopus,
Speaker 2: huge tentacles everywhere, and no one really knows whatever exactly
Speaker 2: someone else is doing because it's so compartmentalized and all
Speaker 2: that sort of stuff. And I guess that was kind
Speaker 2: of showcased to you know, the people down in the
Speaker 2: Southern hemisphere by what the Department of Elon Musk did
Speaker 2: and the Department of Elon Musk and then showcasing that
Speaker 2: there's obviously, like people, you know, so much money being
Speaker 2: spent and no reason to do all this sort of
Speaker 2: stuff because nobody just no one knew because it was.
Speaker 3: So compartmentalized exactly.
Speaker 2: So then you know, the industrial military complex is bigger
Speaker 2: than that, right, and it's had so different layers you
Speaker 2: don't even go into, like you know, deep underground military
Speaker 2: places and all of the above.
Speaker 3: I find that really really, really really wild.
Speaker 2: And so okay, So then my next question to you
Speaker 2: is what about these whistle blowers.
Speaker 3: How much do you believe what they're saying.
Speaker 2: I mean, like you've got people like way back, like
Speaker 2: people like bobblers are and that sort of stuff came
Speaker 2: way way before, you know, David Grush and Stephen Green
Speaker 2: and those sort of people that look on the outside
Speaker 2: that they're doing really good things and trying to push.
Speaker 3: It and blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: So what are your thoughts on these whistle blowers coming forward?
Speaker 2: And yeah, what are your opinion? What's your opinion?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I personally, I want to believe I
Speaker 4: want to believe them, and I think a lot of
Speaker 4: them are being genuine. I mean they have a lot
Speaker 4: out of their highly credentialed people that you know, they've
Speaker 4: had to pass that be in positions that they're in,
Speaker 4: They've had to pass like numerous psychological exams. Like so
Speaker 4: they're saying they're not crazy, they're not, but there's always
Speaker 4: an element. And this is why you uphology is such
Speaker 4: is so muddy, because along with the truth comes a
Speaker 4: large amount of disinformation and you have to try to
Speaker 4: pick apart what's real and what's not. And even for whistleblowers,
Speaker 4: they might be coming forward because they've heard X, Y
Speaker 4: and Z from other people, but maybe they're also being misled.
Speaker 2: Sure sure it was seeing many times with the CIA
Speaker 2: and FBI and all of that stuff, they've created this
Speaker 2: entire situation just as a psychological exactly exactly.
Speaker 4: And that's what's so crazy about it, because the government
Speaker 4: is so good at keeping the truth from people by
Speaker 4: using either like car compartmentalizing things like overdoing that. And
Speaker 4: then also just if you feed in the truth, but
Speaker 4: with feed in a little bit of truth with a
Speaker 4: lot of disinformation, people are not gonna They're gonna look
Speaker 4: at everything and be like, Okay, well I believe this,
Speaker 4: but this can't be real and this can't be real,
Speaker 4: so none of this actually makes sense. So just by
Speaker 4: using disinformation, it throws everybody off, and no one knows
Speaker 4: what's real and what's not.
Speaker 2: Absolutely yeah, yeah, you're absolutely right, And it's it's that old.
Speaker 2: Give them a little bit of the truth and a
Speaker 2: little bit of the disinformation, and then you know, just
Speaker 2: like the AI, right, the AI is coming through and
Speaker 2: nobody knows what's real and what's folksing. I know, we
Speaker 2: were having this conversation the other day in Fate. I've
Speaker 2: had a conversation about this with numerous different people on
Speaker 2: the show, and I was like, what are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on at what's going to happen? And I mean my
Speaker 2: view is that we are literally going to have to
Speaker 2: go down back down to these small groups like conversations
Speaker 2: that with people were in the room at the time,
Speaker 2: had this kind of information and had that experience, so
Speaker 2: that you can really get the truth because otherwise it's
Speaker 2: going to be totally warped.
Speaker 3: Is that how you feel about it? What are your thoughts?
Speaker 4: Yeah? For sure, I mean I agree one hundred percent
Speaker 4: with what you're saying. And the other piece of it
Speaker 4: is a lot of people are actually scared too to
Speaker 4: come forward because a lot of people like David Grush
Speaker 4: and others who have come forward, have been had threats
Speaker 4: of violence against them. Yeah, and so a lot of
Speaker 4: people want to come forward, but they don't feel safe
Speaker 4: to do so. And so the government has also been
Speaker 4: trying to put in, you know, protections for whistleblowers.
Speaker 2: So I know Stephen Greer is really big on that, right,
Speaker 2: that's part of his disposure project.
Speaker 3: What are your thoughts on what doctor Greer is doing.
Speaker 4: I have mixed emotions on doctor Greer. I mean, I
Speaker 4: think he is I think he knows stuff for sure,
Speaker 4: and he's revery involved. But I've also heard a lot
Speaker 4: of things where that make me I feel like he's
Speaker 4: also winning for the money, and he's trying to fill
Speaker 4: his pockets as well, and he's using disclosure just as
Speaker 4: a means to fill his pockets and not necessarily disclosure
Speaker 4: is not in like, it's not his primary goal. He's
Speaker 4: just trying to make money and disclosure happens on the side.
Speaker 4: And so I have mixed emotions on on on doctor Greer.
Speaker 4: I never met the guy, so I don't know. I've
Speaker 4: never met him in.
Speaker 2: Absolutely right, Yeah, I'm I think I feel the same,
Speaker 2: and I feel like it's changed over time. Like when
Speaker 2: he first kind of came out and as everyone as
Speaker 2: they all do Josh Gates perfect example, right, came out
Speaker 2: really genuine, honest, this is what I'm here. You can
Speaker 2: see the direction that he was hitting in and what
Speaker 2: his purpose was in the same date, doctor Stephen Greer
Speaker 2: when he first kind of came into the scene, and
Speaker 2: it was very flere of what his purpose was and
Speaker 2: his mission and stuff. And I feel like that's been muddied.
Speaker 2: Do you think people are trying to muddy him though,
Speaker 2: I mean, there's so many accuracies around it, right.
Speaker 4: Right, people could be definitely trying to muddy him. Yeah,
Speaker 4: that's the hard thing about it, because like whenever people
Speaker 4: start gaining traction and it seems like, you know, something
Speaker 4: BIG's gonna happen, Yeah, there are always people who tried
Speaker 4: to throw dirt on them and to make them not
Speaker 4: look credible anymore. I mean when it happened to David Grush,
Speaker 4: when David Grush after he came forward, someone leaked his
Speaker 4: medical records. His medical records got leaked by accident and
Speaker 4: exposing which wouldn't affect the diagnosis is not something that
Speaker 4: would affect my opinion of what he's saying. But he
Speaker 4: was he was diagnosed with Pete's severe PTSD because he
Speaker 4: was in the military and stuff, and a lot of
Speaker 4: folks that in the military have that issue, you know. So,
Speaker 4: but the fact that the government leaked his medical records
Speaker 4: after he spoke is just sort of like as a
Speaker 4: way of like trying attempting to discredit him and saying
Speaker 4: he has, oh, he has some type of mental issue,
Speaker 4: you know, PTSD wouldn't I don't think affect those kind
Speaker 4: of stories. But saying oh he has some type of
Speaker 4: mental issue, he has PTSD, he's not credible and so yeah,
Speaker 4: so there could be an element of throwing jart on
Speaker 4: doctor Grier's name because a lot of people who do
Speaker 4: come forward, the government tries to smear them.
Speaker 3: How to really sure?
Speaker 2: Well, look at Bobblazar, right, he didn't even end up
Speaker 2: going to university everything.
Speaker 4: Like right, everything?
Speaker 3: How the hell was this guy even? Just stop?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I love the bar Blazar story.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. He was the very first kind of whistleblow.
Speaker 2: I guess that got me into the UFO kind of
Speaker 2: industry and actually understanding it from a ufology point of view,
Speaker 2: and that through my brain cells and.
Speaker 3: I was like, we need to learn about element. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh my god, there's stuff going on.
Speaker 3: And I tell you what.
Speaker 2: Scott's so at that time or maybe like a little
Speaker 2: bit after that, started homeschooling my son.
Speaker 3: So he in New Zealand, we have.
Speaker 6: Primary school which goes from like five year olds to
Speaker 6: like kind of ten year olds, and then we have
Speaker 6: like a two year block in between, which is called intermediate,
Speaker 6: where they do year like seven and eight get ready
Speaker 6: for college or high school right where they go off
Speaker 6: and be teenagers.
Speaker 3: And so he done.
Speaker 2: Really good at primary school and he's a rugby player,
Speaker 2: he's super smart and all this and we're like okay,
Speaker 2: often intermediately go and we could not find him a
Speaker 2: good school. So I was like, fine, I'll homeschool you.
Speaker 2: Not a problem, right, this is just what the universe
Speaker 2: wants us to do. And so we sat there in
Speaker 2: a New Zealand like, you can pretty much do whatever
Speaker 2: the hell you want.
Speaker 3: We don't have many rules in place, you know, which
Speaker 3: is kind of nice. So so I was like, I'm
Speaker 3: going to homeschool you and we get to write your curriculum.
Speaker 2: Right, We're going to write a two year curriculum for
Speaker 2: you to learn whatever you want to do. There has
Speaker 2: to be a little bit of mathematics in there. There's
Speaker 2: got to be some science. There's got to be some
Speaker 2: English work or some sort of writing so that you
Speaker 2: understand how well.
Speaker 3: You can't just be.
Speaker 2: Like really smart on one side and really stupid on
Speaker 2: the other. So I was like, you've got to have
Speaker 2: it well rounded anyway. So he chose his topics right.
Speaker 2: He was like all right, mum, well, first of all,
Speaker 2: how do you infos fly? Second of all area fifty one,
Speaker 2: and third of all quantum physics.
Speaker 3: And I was like, dude, you're like my favorite.
Speaker 4: Wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: That's what kind of made up the of his of
Speaker 2: his curriculum, and he did Bigfoot and he did dinosaurs.
Speaker 3: Is the time of midline? Correct? He was like, is
Speaker 3: the historical timeline? Cry? I was like, dude, are that
Speaker 3: creating a list?
Speaker 4: That's funny, that's awesome. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So he started with Bobblazar and like all of that
Speaker 2: sort of stuff. So yeah, I found that really really fascinating.
Speaker 2: And the amount of dirt that was thrown in that
Speaker 2: man's direction and the fact that he's still I think
Speaker 2: is probably oh yeah, testament to how incredibly strong he
Speaker 2: is with basically not talking about it for such a long.
Speaker 4: Time, right right, Yeah, And I think I think one
Speaker 4: thing I love about Barber's are is that even though
Speaker 4: a lot of people think he might be making it up,
Speaker 4: a lot of people don't believe him. A lot of
Speaker 4: things he said has already come to fruition, thank you.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Area fifty one was never even formally acknowledged. He acknowledged it.
Speaker 4: He brought out air fifty one whenever he originally spoke
Speaker 4: in the late eighties, I think it was eighty nine
Speaker 4: or something like that, and it wasn't until twenty twelve
Speaker 4: ish that the government officially said, yeah, Area fifty one exists.
Speaker 4: So there was like a good twenty years between Bob
Speaker 4: Bazar talking about Area fifty one and the government acknowledging
Speaker 4: Area fifty one. Bob Blazar said that UFOs their fuel
Speaker 4: sources element one fifteen when he said that there was
Speaker 4: no element one fifteen on the periodic table. Yet it
Speaker 4: wasn't until years later that element one fifteen was added
Speaker 4: to the periodic table.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He also talked about gravity gravity because he would say
Speaker 4: that the UFOs that they had with the ones that
Speaker 4: he studied, would work through manipulating gravity. And he said
Speaker 4: gravity behaves in waves, and that wasn't even scientifically reuven
Speaker 4: until years later. So a lot of stuff that he
Speaker 4: was saying came to fruition. And that's why I believe
Speaker 4: his story because he hasn't lied to us. Everything that
Speaker 4: he said has come to be the truth so far
Speaker 4: shown up.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, and that's how you know that there's
Speaker 3: an element of truth and everything, right, Yes, Oh sure,
Speaker 3: that's wild man.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so cool.
Speaker 3: Okay, In fact, I have two more questions at least.
Speaker 4: Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 3: Okay, cool.
Speaker 2: So you talked about private companies knowing more about the
Speaker 2: fabric of our reality than what we do.
Speaker 3: So do you have.
Speaker 2: Any ideas or theories around the technology that they may hold.
Speaker 3: Are we talking time travel opportunities? Are we talking cloaking devices?
Speaker 2: I mean we know that there's you know, they have
Speaker 2: those on aeroplane, military planes and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: We're talking like human like you know the veil of right, yeah, invisibility,
Speaker 3: cloak of invisibility. Like what are we What's what's on
Speaker 3: the list of reverse engineered I mean tinfoil? Yeah, but yeah,
Speaker 3: where I go oil from Roswell, That's where I stopped.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I think there's a lot of stuff
Speaker 4: that could be on the list. It could be cloaking. I
Speaker 4: think a lot of it is going to be anti
Speaker 4: gravity technology, being able to have things operate, you know,
Speaker 4: through gravity manipulation. I think that a lot of it
Speaker 4: could be stuff that's I mean one of the biggest
Speaker 4: things is going to be the fuel source of whatever
Speaker 4: the is, you know, the the UFOs are, whatever, the
Speaker 4: fuel sources. It's so powerful it's almost if we could
Speaker 4: harness it, it would pretty much supply like unlimited like
Speaker 4: power to like the planet. Like but having free energy.
Speaker 4: Where's the money in that, right, So we're not going
Speaker 4: to let that get out because that's gonna make have
Speaker 4: an economic collapse because then people are not paying for
Speaker 4: electricity anymore, people aren't paying for power, people aren't paying
Speaker 4: for gasoline anymore, because there'll be other means of getting
Speaker 4: that power for free. So I think that's kind of
Speaker 4: one of the bigger things is there's a potential there
Speaker 4: for unlimited free energy, and we are not having access
Speaker 4: to it because we're afraid of the financial repercussions of society.
Speaker 4: If we provide free energy to everybody, that's so ridiculous.
Speaker 3: It frustrates a living out of me.
Speaker 4: It's just crazy. That's crazy. Can you imagine how different
Speaker 4: life would be? Like everything? And that's one of the
Speaker 4: things that they're afraid of, I think is people. If
Speaker 4: they tell the truth, people are gonna panic. People won't
Speaker 4: want to go to work because what's the point of
Speaker 4: going to work because none of this means anything. But
Speaker 4: I mean, I could see that, I get that fear.
Speaker 4: But reality shouldn't be classified. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: We all live in this world. This is our reality,
Speaker 4: and the nature of our reality is not under government jurisdiction.
Speaker 4: It's illegally, illegally being held from the people. It's operating
Speaker 4: outside of These programs are operating outside of congressional oversight,
Speaker 4: so as far as the United States Constitution goes, the
Speaker 4: way they're operating is illegal and unconstitutional. And if this
Speaker 4: information comes out, a lot of people are going to prison.
Speaker 4: And that's another reason why these things won't get leaked,
Speaker 4: is because anybody involved is going to prison. And everything's
Speaker 4: been done illegally. Money. The Pentagon has failed its financial
Speaker 4: ardits seven years in a row. Seven years in a row,
Speaker 4: the Pentagon has failed its financial audits, and that is
Speaker 4: because speculated because all this money, this black budget money
Speaker 4: is going into these black budget UFO programs, and their
Speaker 4: black budget, you can't see the dollar amount that goes
Speaker 4: into there, so when it comes to time for an audit,
Speaker 4: there's just billions of dollars missing, and it's an account
Speaker 4: for money. So, yeah, a lot of people are going
Speaker 4: to jail if this comes out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I can I can see.
Speaker 2: I can understand now why it's being blocked at every step.
Speaker 2: It's not really about aliens or not aliens. It's about
Speaker 2: whose heads on the chopping block and letting it all
Speaker 2: free and getting everyone learn all about what's been going
Speaker 2: on behind closed doors and the amount of money that's
Speaker 2: been a years old.
Speaker 3: Far out.
Speaker 4: Basically, Yeah, there's a lot going on.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean like everyone's trying to cover their asses.
Speaker 3: Look at the Jeffrey Epstein fights. Right, who heard that exactly?
Speaker 3: That just made it to our news, our our six
Speaker 3: pm news last night.
Speaker 4: Oh really?
Speaker 3: Okay, So I was like, oh, wow.
Speaker 4: Yeah, a lot of people going to jail. That comes
Speaker 4: out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm like, I don't think anyone's going to jail
Speaker 2: because they're all in each other's pockets and they've all
Speaker 2: got you know, like claws into each other's businesses and stuff,
Speaker 2: and they all make money off each other.
Speaker 3: So if it's exactly about the money, that's true. Nothing's
Speaker 3: ever coming out right, that's true.
Speaker 4: That's true.
Speaker 2: So then what do we do as people that have
Speaker 2: an interest in UFOs UAPs congressional hearings. What do we
Speaker 2: do to help the movement forward? What's the best advice
Speaker 2: that you can give us.
Speaker 4: That's a really good quest question. I would say, first
Speaker 4: and foremost, try to be informed, try to stay inform,
Speaker 4: follow what's going on. Right I think the more the public,
Speaker 4: the general public, stays informed, the better, because even though
Speaker 4: there's been hearings, even though there's been all these things
Speaker 4: that have happened, the general public is still blissfully unaware
Speaker 4: of what's going on. We've had these hearings, but I
Speaker 4: guarantee you if I knock on someone's door across the
Speaker 4: street and say, hey, what do you think about David Grush,
Speaker 4: They're gonna have no idea what I'm talking about. And
Speaker 4: even though this has been such a congress as doing
Speaker 4: these public hearings, but people aren't paying attention. So I
Speaker 4: think the first and foremost thing that needs to happen
Speaker 4: is people need to pay attention. And I think the
Speaker 4: more the public pays attention and starts asking questions, the
Speaker 4: greater the pressure gets put on the United States government
Speaker 4: and all the world's governments to start talking. Because now
Speaker 4: it's not just a handful of people who are interested
Speaker 4: in the UFO topic answering asking questions. Now it becomes
Speaker 4: the population is asking questions. So I think the more
Speaker 4: people stay informed on what's going on, I think that's
Speaker 4: the first key right there. Additionally, there's always like things
Speaker 4: going on. There's like always and these I mean these
Speaker 4: only go so far. But there's smaller things you can do,
Speaker 4: Like there's things like there's always people who are putting
Speaker 4: out like petitions for people to sign for, you know,
Speaker 4: whistleblower protections and things love that nature. All these small
Speaker 4: things help because if we can get whistle blower protections,
Speaker 4: you'll have more people who are willing to come forward
Speaker 4: without fearing for their life. So there's a lot of
Speaker 4: things that people can do. One thing that I'm doing,
Speaker 4: aside from creating Mysterious planet, to try to help keep
Speaker 4: keep people informed. You know, I did the UAP track, right,
Speaker 4: So that's just kind of like a civilian. When people
Speaker 4: send me videos, I will I look at them, I
Speaker 4: go through them. If I think it's BS, I don't
Speaker 4: do anything with it. If I think it's real, I
Speaker 4: post it up and I put a pin on it
Speaker 4: on a map. People can go to the website, look
Speaker 4: at the pin, and watch the videos and read about it.
Speaker 4: It's just a way for people to look at what's
Speaker 4: going on. Yeah, exactly. And you know I'm working on
Speaker 4: I haven't actually said this publicly yet.
Speaker 3: Say it, but I'm working on.
Speaker 4: And maybe by the time this comes out, maybe I
Speaker 4: would have, but it's not that big of a deal.
Speaker 4: But I'm working on making a mini documentary. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: a main documentary. It'll probably just go like I'm just
Speaker 4: gonna post it on YouTube, a mini doc It'll be
Speaker 4: the biggest project I've ever done, though. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3: Have you got a topic locked in or are you
Speaker 3: still kind of floating?
Speaker 4: It's about UFOs and this. If this goes well, I
Speaker 4: intend to do more and make bigger ones potentially one day.
Speaker 4: This one is just about it's about a particular case
Speaker 4: that happened in the area near where I live, and
Speaker 4: so I'm going to do a documentary about that case
Speaker 4: so people can learn about it. And if that document
Speaker 4: it's almost like a testing. If I can pull this
Speaker 4: documentary off, then let's see what else I can.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, you've got a huge community, Like, I'm sure
Speaker 2: they will get behind you on that and one hundred
Speaker 2: percent support it because we're you know, I'm always looking
Speaker 2: for cool stuff, and I'm like, and like, not just
Speaker 2: cool stuff that looks great but actually has substance, right,
Speaker 2: We're looking We're always looking for people that research properly
Speaker 2: can recite, the source has receipts.
Speaker 3: And has substance behind it.
Speaker 2: I think that's so so important, especially these days where
Speaker 2: everything is just fake and bullshit for the moment.
Speaker 4: That's why I hate I have a love hate relationship
Speaker 4: with AI.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 4: I love A It's a great tool, has so much potential,
Speaker 4: but it muddies the waters of like ufology so bad.
Speaker 4: A lot of people. Unfortunately, you see AI videos and
Speaker 4: think that they're real, but then when it comes out
Speaker 4: it turns out to be fake. That just makes the
Speaker 4: whole euthology like movement look stupid because it's like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: look it's just fake. It's it's a I. And it's
Speaker 4: hard because the I is getting better.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's getting really good.
Speaker 2: Have you seen that the videos of celebrities robbing banks?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, there's there's a lot of crazy videos and
Speaker 4: stuff makes it so hard.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, well cryptozoology as well.
Speaker 2: Right, everyone's got put on their backyard now hanging out
Speaker 2: with a deer.
Speaker 4: Yeah right. Had the better the technology gets, it's it's
Speaker 4: kind of dangerous and you.
Speaker 2: Kind of want to step back, like I've we're going,
Speaker 2: like I talked about, we're going on this expedition on
Speaker 2: the weekend, and I'm like, I'm going to take my
Speaker 2: dear Salau camera because it's got a slower shut rate
Speaker 2: what do you call it shut it than the iPhones
Speaker 2: and that sort of stuff, right, and it takes way
Speaker 2: better photos of mysterious things. So I'm like, sweet, I'll
Speaker 2: just take you around and have we little clickerty clack.
Speaker 2: Have you got any tricks for taking photos of UFOs
Speaker 2: or things like that? Like, you know, one of the
Speaker 2: things that Britney barbier It said to us was always film.
Speaker 3: Landscape, so that and don't boom in, don't ever zoom
Speaker 3: in so that it can be forensically tested.
Speaker 4: Right, Yes, I do have I have a list. I
Speaker 4: actually made a list and actually put it on WP
Speaker 4: tracker website.
Speaker 3: You're amazing. Give us a couple of top ones or
Speaker 3: however many wi.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm actually pulling it up so I can
Speaker 4: hopefully not miss any of them when I go back.
Speaker 2: I love this sort of stuff because it comes from
Speaker 2: people that have done the done the muhy in New Zealand.
Speaker 2: In the Maldi language, the word mahi means work, so
Speaker 2: it's basically, you know, like you've done the work behind it.
Speaker 3: You've done all of the all of the hard yards
Speaker 3: and then wake it all the good stuff, so I appreciate.
Speaker 4: It right exactly exactly, Yeah, it's so good. So for
Speaker 4: sure zooming. Zooming is important. You don't want to zoom
Speaker 4: in too much. If you zoom in too much, that
Speaker 4: definitely degrades the quality of the photos. So you video,
Speaker 4: so you definitely don't want to over zoom. If you're
Speaker 4: using like an iPhone, I'm sure Samsung Galaxy phones have
Speaker 4: a similar feature, but I don't have a Galaxy. But
Speaker 4: if using an iPhone, you can tap on the screen
Speaker 4: and it kind of does this like exposure, like focus
Speaker 4: lock on a particular object, and you kind of want
Speaker 4: to do that too, so to prevent blurring and things
Speaker 4: like that. You do want to use landscape, like you
Speaker 4: were saying, Yeah, landscape. The wider frame just provides better
Speaker 4: resolution to your photos and videos, So definitely landscape. If
Speaker 4: you're using like your phone, and now your phone has
Speaker 4: a front facing and a rear facing camera, obviously you
Speaker 4: wouldn't film front facing anyway, that'd be awkward to film
Speaker 4: the UFO frontway, but you always want to use the
Speaker 4: back rear facing camera. The rearfing camera is way better
Speaker 4: quality than the front facing camera. Oh, so anything should
Speaker 4: be filmed with that. You don't want any filters or
Speaker 4: you don't want any AI tools on, yeah, because it
Speaker 4: distorts it. And again, using AI with upology is a
Speaker 4: muddy situation.
Speaker 3: And then you had critibility issues, right.
Speaker 4: Exactly, So don't mess with it. I also recommend having
Speaker 4: a flight tracker app on your phone. So if you're
Speaker 4: familiar with flight tracker apps, I'm not sure, but basically
Speaker 4: they are apps that you that track all flights like globally. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and I have an app on my phone it's called
Speaker 4: flight Radar twenty four okay, And basically you can pull
Speaker 4: up that app and if you see a plane in
Speaker 4: the sky, you can pull up that app and you
Speaker 4: can look at it and it will tell you like
Speaker 4: the airline that it's from, It'll tell you where it
Speaker 4: took off from, where it's destination is. It gives you
Speaker 4: all the information and you can track all these flights.
Speaker 4: So if you see something in the sky, I always
Speaker 4: it's good to have a companion flight flight tracker app
Speaker 4: on your phone, so you can look at the app
Speaker 4: and even identify is that really something anomalous or is
Speaker 4: that just Delta Airlines headed to Miami? Like yeahsh So
Speaker 4: flight tracker apps were really key. There been there were
Speaker 4: times where I looked up in the sky and was like,
Speaker 4: that doesn't look great, Like that's moving weird, that's something like,
Speaker 4: and I thought it was something, and I would pull
Speaker 4: up the flight tracker and I'm like, oh, it's it's
Speaker 4: just it's the plane or whatever.
Speaker 3: So does your eyes just stort things? Right?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 3: We were talking to one of our friends. Her name is.
Speaker 2: Doctor Mara, and she works in the aeronautical space industry
Speaker 2: in America and she has done for many, many years.
Speaker 2: And she was talking to to us about a telescope
Speaker 2: that she's created in the technology that she wants to
Speaker 2: use to help search for Bigfoot using him sound and
Speaker 2: all sorts of other bits and pieces.
Speaker 3: So I was like, dude, you're like the coolest woman
Speaker 3: I know right now.
Speaker 2: But also she talked to me about how our eyes work,
Speaker 2: and she was like, you literally can't trust what you're seeing.
Speaker 2: And that's the biggest issue that humans face is we
Speaker 2: can't trust what we're seeing because our eyes snap at
Speaker 2: such a slow rate it doesn't up. Yeah, She kind
Speaker 2: of blew my mind because I was like, but you
Speaker 2: can always trust what your eyes see, right, but we've got.
Speaker 4: No deception, we've exactly exactly. Yeah, that's true, that's very true.
Speaker 3: She destroyed my reality on that one.
Speaker 4: I was like, I know, there's been many times where
Speaker 4: I've been upset by my own discoveries.
Speaker 1: And.
Speaker 3: Yeah, got it. That's just that happens.
Speaker 4: It happens. It's but it's good. It's good that it
Speaker 4: happens because it makes you more critical of things that
Speaker 4: you're seeing, and like you don't jump to conclusions, Like
Speaker 4: as much as I want it to be something supernatural,
Speaker 4: it's not.
Speaker 3: You still have to hold yourself. It's like going go
Speaker 3: something right, like you've done it for so many years before.
Speaker 3: There's an apparition and that's a demon and that's just no,
Speaker 3: you can't.
Speaker 2: No, You've got of you walking into a building that
Speaker 2: has a demon.
Speaker 3: In it is low, right, super low.
Speaker 2: And it's the same with bull lightning low like the
Speaker 2: change exactly, it's very minimal. So yeah, I love I
Speaker 2: love the the cover up stories that the governments give.
Speaker 2: Whole town trap it was obviously just swamp guess or
Speaker 2: a weather balloon when it was a balloon.
Speaker 3: We just let that go.
Speaker 4: It was right.
Speaker 3: It totally wasn't. My last question. Actually, I have two
Speaker 3: and I know that. You tell me stop talking otherwise
Speaker 3: you're good. I really do want you.
Speaker 2: To tell us about at less ai ai.
Speaker 4: A one right, three yeah, yeah, yeh three.
Speaker 3: Eye out lists, three ie ant lists. Yeah. I will
Speaker 3: need to tell us about that because.
Speaker 2: There is so much conflicting information and I don't understand,
Speaker 2: and I don't trust NASA as far as I can
Speaker 2: kick them, which isn't very far because I'm in New
Speaker 2: Zealand and.
Speaker 3: My league doesn't reach the right right.
Speaker 2: But give us your understanding, your opinion, so all our
Speaker 2: opinions anyway.
Speaker 4: This is right. Yeah, we'll do. Sorry, I have I'm
Speaker 4: dog sitting. I have a dog and I'm dog sitting too,
Speaker 4: and the dogs have started wrestling right next.
Speaker 3: He just wants to be part of it. Look, you know, like,
Speaker 3: who am I to say no?
Speaker 4: So yeah, three, iye at lists. So there's there's been
Speaker 4: a lot of yeah, speculation of what it is, and
Speaker 4: like doctor A. V. Loebe was the one who came
Speaker 4: forward and said, I don't think this is a comment
Speaker 4: because it has No, it's like the way it's moving
Speaker 4: and speed is like the way I think it's speed
Speaker 4: was changing wasn't typical of a comet. There's all this
Speaker 4: anomalous features of it. And then it was also coincidental
Speaker 4: let the US government shut down right as the comet
Speaker 4: was getting close, so then there was no photos being
Speaker 4: released from NASA because the government's closed. So a lot
Speaker 4: of people were saying, oh, that's like super sketchy, and
Speaker 4: you know what, I honestly don't know. I feel like
Speaker 4: I don't know. I feel like there is a good
Speaker 4: chance that it is just maybe it is a comet,
Speaker 4: or maybe it's some other type of astral body that
Speaker 4: we just are not familiar with haven't really seen it before,
Speaker 4: so we're just like, what the hell is this? But
Speaker 4: I feel like it could be something natural that we
Speaker 4: just you know, we haven't really encountered anything like it before,
Speaker 4: so to us, it's like it's something super strange. But
Speaker 4: there is still there's still a part of me that wonders, like,
Speaker 4: is there something more to it? And at this point
Speaker 4: the three Alas has passed, it's you know, it's past
Speaker 4: the sun now. I think it went on the sun,
Speaker 4: so it's not. It's not super close to us anymore,
Speaker 4: and I don't know if that will ever find out
Speaker 4: what exactly it was. But I'm not jumping on even
Speaker 4: though I was very suspicious at first, I'm not jumping
Speaker 4: full in on this is like alien tech. I think
Speaker 4: it's possible, but I'm not I'm not falling completely into
Speaker 4: that lane. I think it is possible that it's also
Speaker 4: like some type of natural astral body that we just
Speaker 4: haven't seen anything like it before.
Speaker 2: Do you think it fits into the same category as
Speaker 2: that oh more and more that came through Hawaii?
Speaker 4: Right? It could be something like that for sure, But
Speaker 4: you know what, I don't know like.
Speaker 1: That.
Speaker 4: Know's a lot of science and data behind like how
Speaker 4: they analyze like astral bodies and like determine if it's
Speaker 4: a comet or what it is. And I don't know
Speaker 4: too much about all the science that goes into it.
Speaker 4: But I feel like it's most likely something natural, as
Speaker 4: much as I didn't really believe that at first, because
Speaker 4: the guy who was talking about it being alli in
Speaker 4: tech was a Harvard He's a Harvard professor, right, so
Speaker 4: he's like from a top school and he's a professor
Speaker 4: and he's saying, this doesn't look like a comet. So
Speaker 4: when he started talking about that, I was like, hold
Speaker 4: on everyone, yeah, because like there's something to this. But
Speaker 4: and he's still kind of saying that it may not
Speaker 4: be a comet. He's still on saying that.
Speaker 3: Because I think the color of the tail is an
Speaker 3: issue as well, right, like it's green or something like that.
Speaker 4: And right, there's like weird anomalies about it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: definitely weird and it's definitely not like anything we've seen before.
Speaker 4: But I'm wondering. I don't know, I'm just I guess
Speaker 4: we've been burned and you follow you so many times
Speaker 4: by like expecting something and then it's nothing that I'm
Speaker 4: just kind of like, it's probably it's probably just something
Speaker 4: natural that we've just never.
Speaker 3: Probably just really really and there's probably a weather balloon
Speaker 3: in it somewhere.
Speaker 4: It's a weather balloon flying. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And it was just you know, mixing with the Venus
Speaker 2: and the mercury rising. Yeah, I love it exactly.
Speaker 3: Let Yeah.
Speaker 2: Cool. So did you see the photo of the Riptilians
Speaker 2: on the on the A list?
Speaker 3: Did you see that one?
Speaker 4: I did not see that photo?
Speaker 2: You don't you don't want to talk about the validity
Speaker 2: of that photo.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen that photo, but I'm assuming based off
Speaker 4: what you're telling me that it's Yeah, no, no.
Speaker 3: Juliet and I sat there and went, oh, but what
Speaker 3: if I stop it? Stop it?
Speaker 4: Hey? I mean that stuff is really fun to think about.
Speaker 4: But it's really fun to think about. But yeah, I
Speaker 4: don't know, yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you got to bring yourself back down to reality.
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, hypticism is good, unfortunately.
Speaker 3: Okay, my last question for you, young Scott.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much for bantering with me and listening
Speaker 2: to all my silly questions.
Speaker 3: I appreciate it. Jeremy Corbell mm hmmm, and tell us
Speaker 3: about him because I know that you met him.
Speaker 2: You sent me a photo of you and him together,
Speaker 2: and was it everything you hoped it would be, because
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes you're not meant to meet your heroes
Speaker 2: or the people.
Speaker 3: That you were whatever, you know, because they just giant downers.
Speaker 2: So yeah, no, Jeremy, he's a good guy.
Speaker 4: He seemed like he's a good guy. I met him
Speaker 4: twice on that day. I met him at the hearing,
Speaker 4: and then later on there was another event where there
Speaker 4: was this there's this other organization. They just changed their name.
Speaker 4: They were the UAP Disclosure Fund and now they're the
Speaker 4: UAP Disclosure Foundation. I think they just changed their name.
Speaker 4: But they were hosting an event after the hearing where
Speaker 4: they were having people from Congress, almost like a reception
Speaker 4: after the hearing, and they had people from Congress going there.
Speaker 4: So I was actually volunteering to help at their event.
Speaker 4: So I was volunteering and I was like helping checking
Speaker 4: guests in and out of that event. And then after
Speaker 4: I did check people in, I got to go in
Speaker 4: and just be in there. So I met Jeremy at
Speaker 4: the hearing, and I met him again that evening at
Speaker 4: the reception. But yeah, hit me. He seemed like a
Speaker 4: really nice guy, down to earth dude. I mean, I mean,
Speaker 4: I met a lot of really good people on that day.
Speaker 4: Like I said, that day changed everything for me. I
Speaker 4: met a lot of really good people. I think Jeremy
Speaker 4: is doing really good investigative work. Like he's he's the
Speaker 4: protege of George Knapp, who broke the Bob Azar story.
Speaker 4: So I mean, and they're still working Bob, not Bob.
Speaker 4: Jeremy Corbel and George Napp still work together they have
Speaker 4: their own like podcast, and they do a lot of research.
Speaker 4: And so I think what Jeremy Corbel is doing is
Speaker 4: really good. He's helped bring whistle blowers to Congress, He's
Speaker 4: helped get people in the door to testify. So I
Speaker 4: think he's doing I think he's doing good things.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: He seemed like a really nice, down to earth guy.
Speaker 4: He's cool.
Speaker 3: It's nice.
Speaker 2: Say, it's nice when you finally meet someone and go
Speaker 2: you're cool, Like, yeah, that's true.
Speaker 3: Okay, I was really hoping you would not be an asshole.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Sometimes and they're not what you wanted them to be.
Speaker 4: But Jeremy Corbell seemed like a he seemed like a
Speaker 4: nice guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's awesome man.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, Okay, I'm going to go and think about
Speaker 2: whether or not a fly. That's a lot to think
Speaker 2: about that and and like you say, like it's it
Speaker 2: comes down to we don't know, right, So all you
Speaker 2: can do is try and gather as much information as
Speaker 2: you can credible sources, and always test the source.
Speaker 3: And do your own research and all of the above.
Speaker 3: Don't ever just listen to us, my God, Like, if
Speaker 3: you just listen to me, you would go into the
Speaker 3: bush with probably not.
Speaker 4: Exactly.
Speaker 2: I'm very very prepared when I go on an expedition.
Speaker 2: There is shitloads of stuff that I do, just like you. Right,
Speaker 2: if you're going to go into a congressional hearing or
Speaker 2: whatever to be a part of that room, you're going
Speaker 2: to do a bucket load of research prior to that
Speaker 2: so that you don't sound stupid and you know your
Speaker 2: information and you can have those.
Speaker 3: Really important conversations.
Speaker 2: Right, So always your own research, you know, like make
Speaker 2: sure you've maybe you hear something that we talk about
Speaker 2: and you go, oh gosh, that spiked my interest, Go
Speaker 2: and do your own research, figure it out, find the sources,
Speaker 2: test the sauce, and then go with whatever resonates with you.
Speaker 4: Right, one hundred percent. You have to do your own research.
Speaker 4: You have to make your own decisions. I mean, again,
Speaker 4: there's so much muddied waters in yourphology. Just take the
Speaker 4: information in and read out what you don't think is accurate,
Speaker 4: and keep what's left.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and slowly you'll build that really awesome little
Speaker 2: treasure chest of good solid information that you kind of
Speaker 2: back to, right that you always come Exactly, it sounds
Speaker 2: like we're probably researching the same way, and we're on
Speaker 2: the same page with Massai work and then see weird
Speaker 2: UFOs show themselves in the sky and like ring our
Speaker 2: friends at midnight.
Speaker 3: But I just need your phone number so that I
Speaker 3: can start ringing you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if you see, if you see one of those
Speaker 4: interwo dimensional cubicle things in the sky and you have
Speaker 4: to let me know, it was pretty keep your phone on.
Speaker 4: You keep your phone on, take a picture, take a video.
Speaker 3: Like fleshed and fleshed out.
Speaker 4: And I was like, it happens so fast that you
Speaker 4: don't have time. Yeah, I get it, didn't have to
Speaker 4: get it.
Speaker 3: But also you can carry your phone on you though.
Speaker 4: Do you carry your phone on.
Speaker 2: Most Yeah, a lot of the time. But I like
Speaker 2: to be off cell phones as well. But if I'm
Speaker 2: going sometimes I get called outside. Like sometimes I get
Speaker 2: like this thing in my head that says you need
Speaker 2: to come and come outside, and I'm like, okay, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm like all right then, so I pop outside, you know,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, okay, I'm here, show yourself to me.
Speaker 2: But I've done some of that Stephen Greer sort of
Speaker 2: stuff where you can you know, call or whatever.
Speaker 4: I don't meditation stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Sea five stuff. I don't do the meditation
Speaker 2: full on stuff, but I do. I do think that
Speaker 2: I've got some sort of But you know, I'm a Christian,
Speaker 2: so I'm like, I can talk to God and angels
Speaker 2: and I haven't freaking talked to anything because I have
Speaker 2: an in pathway because that's my.
Speaker 3: Belief system, right.
Speaker 2: I don't need to talk to someone else to get
Speaker 2: to that. I can just talk to directly, right, And
Speaker 2: so my view is like, I feel like I'm connected
Speaker 2: to that anyway because they shine their they flash their
Speaker 2: lights at me quite often, and I'm like, oh, and
Speaker 2: this one day, my brother's very so my brother's autistic
Speaker 2: or on the autistic spectrum, and he was over for Christmas.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I should tell the story, but
Speaker 3: I'm going to anything. I love my brother to pieces.
Speaker 2: He had to a bank when he was really young,
Speaker 2: just so that we could have some money so he
Speaker 2: could share.
Speaker 3: He's really intelligent, super super intelligent.
Speaker 2: And so he comes over and he's having Christmas dinner
Speaker 2: with us, and that's all good. And it was about
Speaker 2: five pm in the afternoon, so, like we do, Christmas
Speaker 2: time is sunner for us, right, it's beautiful weather. And
Speaker 2: so we're sitting on the UFO, which is this five
Speaker 2: meter by five meter trampoline that we bought.
Speaker 3: Right, it's freaking huge, and I was like, I just
Speaker 3: bought the biggest thing I could.
Speaker 2: Fine, we call it the UFO, right, And so we're
Speaker 2: standing there and I'm like, mooh, we call him. His
Speaker 2: name's Marty, we call him boo Moo. Should we ask
Speaker 2: for a UFO to come and talk to us A
Speaker 2: And he was like, oh, it's like fuck up, Lisa,
Speaker 2: you can't talk to those things. You use those a
Speaker 2: demonic because he's a Christian. Those are demonic blah blah
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. And I was like, nah, we'll go,
Speaker 2: We'll ask for them.
Speaker 3: It's okay. They've showed themselves.
Speaker 2: So the light of the stars were starting to kind
Speaker 2: of shine and that sort of stuff, and we were
Speaker 2: kind of like looking up and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, are you up there, because that's where you were
Speaker 3: last time. Just splash your lights so Moo can see.
Speaker 3: All of a sudden, it was like woo, oh my god.
Speaker 2: I did it about three times, and it slowly moved,
Speaker 2: probably like from where we were looking about about a
Speaker 2: meter or two in the sky and so when.
Speaker 3: M joom jum and then it disappeared and he goes,
Speaker 3: that's an airplane, and it's like he was just like,
Speaker 3: screw you. Oh how you as a power walked back
Speaker 3: in the house and I was like, thank you.
Speaker 2: That was really lovely, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: somewhere else in that kind of general area. But it
Speaker 2: was like, you know, you get those old, like a
Speaker 2: nineteen eighties houses where you've got the dimmer light in
Speaker 2: your lounge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can turn it up.
Speaker 3: And then turn it back down. That's what right.
Speaker 4: It was like, that's really weird and.
Speaker 3: Just disappeared into nothing.
Speaker 4: It was crazy, and it responded to you asking for it.
Speaker 4: Maybe you should go out with your phone. Maybe you
Speaker 4: should gout with your phone. Okay, wine up to the
Speaker 4: sky and ask and then send me the video.
Speaker 3: Scott says, he'd really like a video. I will actually, I.
Speaker 4: Will send me the video then and I could put
Speaker 4: it on the UAP tracker and there we go, and
Speaker 4: then you've.
Speaker 3: Got your very first UAP sighting and yeah, there we go. Sweet.
Speaker 2: I will, I promise, I promise, I will. Hey Scott,
Speaker 2: please tell everyone where we can find you do a
Speaker 2: shameless plug go hard.
Speaker 4: Where can we find sure? Yeah, so my main hub
Speaker 4: is Instagram. That's at Mysterious dot Planet Underscore is the
Speaker 4: is the at for that. You can also find me
Speaker 4: on Facebook at the same Mysterious dot Planet Underscore. And
Speaker 4: I'm also on X. I don't use X that often.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna have to look what my tag is actually
Speaker 4: on there, that's how often I use it. It's at
Speaker 4: missed m y s T Underscore Planet. Oh okay, so
Speaker 4: those are where you can find me. You can also
Speaker 4: find me on YouTube. I did start my YouTube channel
Speaker 4: when I was doing something. I started doing this podcast thing,
Speaker 4: which is on Instagram Live. I try to do it
Speaker 4: like once a month at least. I do have one
Speaker 4: coming up soon and then. But yeah, so on that
Speaker 4: that on the YouTube channel, it's just again, it's just
Speaker 4: gonna be at Mysterious Dot Planet Underscore and that. Those
Speaker 4: are the place you can find me.
Speaker 3: Love it.
Speaker 2: I encourage everyone that watches this video, all of our
Speaker 2: members at Crypto Women's Society, get in contact with Scott,
Speaker 2: send him your videos.
Speaker 3: If you've got anything, I'll go and find one, I promise,
Speaker 3: and get in touch with them.
Speaker 2: If you've got any questions about anything around the disclosure stuff,
Speaker 2: around the congressional hearings, around kind of how do you
Speaker 2: validate good information? Ask them, Just go and ask. That's
Speaker 2: why friends in our amazing industry, right, so that you
Speaker 2: can go and ask, reach out and get the real information.
Speaker 3: Because we're not experts, right.
Speaker 2: We kind of hone in on one little space that
Speaker 2: we really really love when we learn all about that,
Speaker 2: and then we just kind of, you know, filter around
Speaker 2: the outside. So if you want to learn, go go
Speaker 2: to the source. Go and find someone that knows what
Speaker 2: they're talking about. And Scott at Mysterious Planet is it? Scott,
Speaker 2: do you have anything that you would like to leave
Speaker 2: our members with the last little bit of follow a
Speaker 2: little tip or a trick or a piece of advice that.
Speaker 4: That's a lot of pressure to put on me and
Speaker 4: I do it. I would just say, I would say, again,
Speaker 4: it's kind of repetitive to what we talked about, but
Speaker 4: I would say, you know, the phenomenon is real. I
Speaker 4: believe it's real, but don't believe everything you see. Don't
Speaker 4: believe anything you hear, because there's a lot of misinformation. So,
Speaker 4: like we said, go out there in the information. Get
Speaker 4: the information, stay informed, but take everything you hear, you know,
Speaker 4: with a grain of salt, and weed out the disinformation.
Speaker 4: The best you can go just look at, look at,
Speaker 4: do some research, figure out what seems like it's real
Speaker 4: and what doesn't. Definitely don't believe everything you hear, but
Speaker 4: definitely be informed. I think that's the only way Disclosed
Speaker 4: is going to happen is if the general public starts
Speaker 4: getting involved, because until then it's just the UFO folk
Speaker 4: who are interested pushing, and then I can listen to
Speaker 4: a small tiny population of people. Then need everybody to
Speaker 4: start asking the tough questions. So that's what I would suggest.
Speaker 4: Get the general public involved.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go and talk to you neither about UFOs and
Speaker 3: the amount of money that the.
Speaker 4: Government's exactly, yeah, exactly, that is That.
Speaker 3: Is so so awesome.
Speaker 2: Can I just say a massive thank you to everyone
Speaker 2: that came to join us today, especially Lacey, who I
Speaker 2: saw poppin', and thanks everyone else for joining us. If
Speaker 2: you're watching this later, feel free to touch base with me,
Speaker 2: touch base with Scott and there'll definitely be other interviews
Speaker 2: that you can jump into shadow Talk and have a
Speaker 2: watch as well. From me to you from Scott to
Speaker 2: you have yourself a fantastic night or a day, depending
Speaker 2: on where.
Speaker 3: In the world you are. It's only about lunchtime at
Speaker 3: my house.
Speaker 2: Mine is just starting. Scott's on his way. Yes, hang
Speaker 2: out with me after this. I'm going to say goodbye
Speaker 2: to everyone and we can have a chat in the
Speaker 2: back room.
Speaker 3: So goodbye everyone. We love y'all.
Speaker 2: Stick around if you want to see any other videos.
Speaker 2: We are live over on YouTube on Walking in the
Speaker 2: Shadows Cryptied Women's Society. You can jump over there and
Speaker 2: watch all of our weekly lives that Juliet and I do,
Speaker 2: and we've got bucket loads of really cool interviews coming up.
Speaker 2: They will be premiering on YouTube at some point. But
Speaker 2: definitely get in the membership. You've got to get in
Speaker 2: the members portal, So go forth and do it and
Speaker 2: get all your girlfriends to come and join you. And
Speaker 2: I'm going to send Scott a T shirt so that
Speaker 2: he can represent Cryptied Women's Society.
Speaker 3: Oh all right, we love you all.
Speaker 4: Bye see thank you.
Speaker 1: A Woman's Society of Walking in the Shadows the Cult Edition. Ok,